From semihgokalp@gmail.com Thu May 10 20:12:27 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B87D3B012F for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:12:27 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: 0.997 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.997 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_30_40=0.374, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_OBFUGIRLS=3.222, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) (up: 7543 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.162.236] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1WeSD0brmw0j for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:12:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com (nz-out-0506.google.com [64.233.162.236]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D38D43B0126 for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 20:12:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: by nz-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id k1so842134nzf for ; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.181.1 with SMTP id d1mr768419waf.1178842342466; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.203.11 with HTTP; Thu, 10 May 2007 17:12:22 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <9d56246d0705101712r3de593f1j9fad49d3e812661@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 03:12:22 +0300 From: "Semih Gokalp" To: gnome-turk@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_Part_119426_1811330.1178842342329" Subject: [GNOME-TR] Gnome 2.18(stable) icin gnome-menus cevirimi. X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 11 May 2007 00:12:27 -0000 ------=_Part_119426_1811330.1178842342329 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_119427_9166368.1178842342329" ------=_Part_119427_9166368.1178842342329 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/tr/gnome-2-18 adresinden gnome-menus un po dosyasi uzerinde duzenlemeler ve ek ceviriler yaptim.Ektegonderiyorum. Yararli olmasi dilegiyle. -- Iyi calismalar.Basarilar... Semih Gokalp ------=_Part_119427_9166368.1178842342329 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/tr/gnome-2-18

adresinden

gnome-menus un po dosyasi uzerinde duzenlemeler ve ek ceviriler yaptim.Ekte gonderiyorum.

Yararli olmasi dilegiyle.



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Semih Gokalp
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SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3727 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NARtmGsV+rsU for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:19:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13E103B00DE for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:19:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAE4A7851B6 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:22:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02063-04 for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:22:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91B8178515F for ; Sat, 19 May 2007 19:22:14 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: gnome-turk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 02:19:50 +0300 Message-Id: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 23:20:01 -0000 Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazilim icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolayi, sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. Ancak ilginc bir sekilde, GNOME Turkiye ve GNOME web sayfalarinin yer imlerinde fazlalik olacagi gibi bir sonuca varildi. Dahasi GNOME Turkiye'nin destekci bulmak icin gazetelere ilan vermesi gibi cok orjinal bir oneri ile de karsilasmis olduk. Firefox'un kendisinin GTK kullaniyor olmasi gibi ironik bir durum soyle dursun, her firsatta Acik Kaynakli oldugu vurgulanan bir Linux dagitiminda gelistirici olan birisinin, Ozgur Masaustu icin bir mihenk tasi olan GNOME'a bakis acisini ziyadesinde manidar ve ilginc buldum. Hata bildirimi ve uzerinde donen ufak "tartisma" asagidaki bagda: http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 GUADEC'i Turkiye'ye getirerek, Turkiye'de Ozgur Yazilim'in gelismesine katki saglamak icin caba harcadigimiz su gunlerde, birileri tarafindan boyle bir tavir ile karsilasmak beni rahatsiz etti. Bu tutumu kisisel algilamadigim icin sizlerle paylasmak istedim. 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(up: 2526 hrs), (distance 18, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [160.75.2.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 55f4ZwgW4U3S for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:09:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.edu.tr (mail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.2.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF5D3B0004 for ; Sun, 20 May 2007 21:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [160.75.100.15]) by mail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4L17ff2013099 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:07:41 +0300 Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [127.0.0.1]) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4L16ft0012815 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:06:41 +0300 Received: from localhost (bozkiru@localhost) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id l4L16fIC012811 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 04:06:41 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr: bozkiru owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 04:06:41 +0300 (EEST) From: Umit Bozkir X-X-Sender: bozkiru@hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-ITU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ITU-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ITU-MailScanner-From: bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 01:09:16 -0000 Merhaba, On Sun, 20 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: > Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazilim > icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. > > Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolayi, > sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini > dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. > > Ancak ilginc bir sekilde, GNOME Turkiye ve GNOME web sayfalarinin yer > imlerinde fazlalik olacagi gibi bir sonuca varildi. Dahasi GNOME > Turkiye'nin destekci bulmak icin gazetelere ilan vermesi gibi cok > orjinal bir oneri ile de karsilasmis olduk. > > Firefox'un kendisinin GTK kullaniyor olmasi gibi ironik bir durum soyle > dursun, her firsatta Acik Kaynakli oldugu vurgulanan bir Linux > dagitiminda gelistirici olan birisinin, Ozgur Masaustu icin bir mihenk > tasi olan GNOME'a bakis acisini ziyadesinde manidar ve ilginc buldum. Miguel'in yaptigi bir soyleside [1] KDE - GNOME atismalarinin ilk donemlerinden cok az da olsa bahsediyor. O gunlerden bugune cok sey degisti. Ancak Torvalds'in -tipki o gunlerde soyledigi sozlere benzer [2]- soyledigi bir soze takilip kalmaya gerek yok. Cok sinirlendirirlerse yuzlerine uzerinde GTK yazan bir pasta yapistiririz artik.:) > Hata bildirimi ve uzerinde donen ufak "tartisma" asagidaki bagda: > http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 Burada Torvalds, son gunlerde GNOME'culara her firsatta soylenen bu sozlerinden sonra cozum onerilerini de iceren, ilk uslubundan daha ilimli epostalar da atmisti. Ardindan Novell destegiyle 3 boyutlu masaustu de ilk GNOME destekli cikti. GNOME daha bir hizlandi, guzellesti. Bunda Torvalds'in o ilk agresif yazisi ne kadar etkili oldu emin degilim. Ancak GNOME'cularda gozle gorulur bir hirs var ve guzel isler cikarmaya devam ediyorlar. Nedense bunlar pek konusulmuyor. Ben bugzilladaki tartismada toptan Pardus Projesine mal edilebilecek bir dusunce goremedim. Bence tek bir gelistiricinin dusuncesini tum projeye yuklemeyelim. GNOME konusunda bazi noktalarda net tavirlari olsa da goz onundeki Ubuntu gibi Open SuSE gibi GNOME destekleyen dagitimlardan kendilerine ders cikaracaklarini dusunuyorum. > > GUADEC'i Turkiye'ye getirerek, Turkiye'de Ozgur Yazilim'in gelismesine > katki saglamak icin caba harcadigimiz su gunlerde, birileri tarafindan > boyle bir tavir ile karsilasmak beni rahatsiz etti. Bu tutumu kisisel > algilamadigim icin sizlerle paylasmak istedim. Ben de aslinda tam da bu konu icin yazacaktim. Burada gorunce cevap vermeden olmazdi. Baris, bu konuyla ilgili yeni bir baslik acabilir misin? Son gelismeler, yapilanlar, yapilacaklar nedir? Kolayliklar. 1) http://www.linuxfocus.org/Turkce/March1998/article25.html 2) Tam emin olmamakla birlikte, sanirim soyleside anilan ve bugun de kalintilarindan muzdarip oldugumuz QT lisansi yuzunden KDE'ye tepki duyulmaya baslandiginda, Torvalds cikip yine kullanislilik vs diyerek KDE kullanilmasini telkin etmis (GNOME'un yeni yeni bir seyler yapmaya calistigi donemde aldigi darbeyi dusunun). Ayni Stallman'in Nvidia vb binary suruculerle ilgili aciklamalarina, dunyanin en buyuk "Acik Kaynak Kod/Ozgur Yazilim" projelerinden biri olan cekirdek projesinde bitkeeper gibi kapali kaynak kod bir programi kullandigi zamandaki gibi olaya farkli acidan bakmis. Bu bakis acisini biliyoruz; adam olaya fayda yonunden bakiyor. From baris@teamforce.name.tr Mon May 21 01:00:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AED153B0076 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:00:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.363 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.583, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_IY=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3802 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BgOXGv4kwSxH for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:00:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E25D43B0004 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:00:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07B4078503E for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07422-02 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:02:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E8BB78503C for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 01:02:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:00:07 +0300 Message-Id: <1179723607.6780.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 05:00:23 -0000 > > Miguel'in yaptigi bir soyleside [1] KDE - GNOME atismalarinin ilk > donemlerinden cok az da olsa bahsediyor. O gunlerden bugune cok sey > degisti. Ancak Torvalds'in -tipki o gunlerde soyledigi sozlere benzer [2]- > soyledigi bir soze takilip kalmaya gerek yok. Cok sinirlendirirlerse > yuzlerine uzerinde GTK yazan bir pasta yapistiririz artik.:) Esasinda KDE-GNOME atismasi diye bir sey pek yok. Olaya atisma da diyemeyiz. QT lisansi ozgur degilken, Richard Stallman, Miguel ve arkadaslarinin ozgur yazilim lisansi olan bir masaustu ortami gelistirmek icin yola cikmalari GNOME'u dogurmustur. Esasinda bugun QT'nin ozgur yazilim lisansina sahip olmasinin baslica nedenlerinden bir tanesi gtk gibi basarili baska bir toolkit'in olusmus olmasi. Eger GNOME olmasa QT kutuphanesi halen Trolltech firmasina ait bir yazilim olarak kalabilirdi. Artik bu tartismadan eser yok. Freedesktop.org gibi yapilandirmalar ile KDE-GNOME gelistiricileri zaten ortak bir cok projede calisiyorlar. KDE kendi halinde, GNOME kendi halinde bir masaustu ortami, olayi masaustu savaslarina cevirenler kraldan daha cok kralcilar gibi gorunuyor su asamada. > > > > Hata bildirimi ve uzerinde donen ufak "tartisma" asagidaki bagda: > > http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=5713 > > Burada Torvalds, son gunlerde GNOME'culara her firsatta soylenen bu > sozlerinden sonra cozum onerilerini de iceren, ilk uslubundan daha ilimli > epostalar da atmisti. Ardindan Novell destegiyle 3 boyutlu masaustu > de ilk GNOME destekli cikti. GNOME daha bir hizlandi, guzellesti. Bunda > Torvalds'in o ilk agresif yazisi ne kadar etkili oldu emin degilim. Ancak > GNOME'cularda gozle gorulur bir hirs var ve guzel isler cikarmaya devam > ediyorlar. Nedense bunlar pek konusulmuyor. Linus Torvalds sahsina munhasir bir kisilik. Kernel gelistiriciliginden gelen, sozunun kanun olma ozelliginin GNOME icin gecerli olmadigini gorunce amacini asti. Biraz da yuksek egodan olsa gerek boyle bir curetkar konusma icine girmis. Aksi halde 'yamalari yolladim, eklemediniz - soylesiniz boylesiniz' diyecegine, iki dakika derlerdi olur biterdi. Ancak GNOME'un kullanici arayuz tercihlerinin dogru oldugu da populer dagitimlarin ontanimli olarak GNOME kullanmasi, is dunyasinin GNOME'a daha fazla ilgi gostermesi ile de anlasilabilir. Gene de olay farkli tatlar meselesi. Neticede yaygin kullanimin da en iyisi olmadigi bilinen bir gercek. > > Ben bugzilladaki tartismada toptan Pardus Projesine mal edilebilecek bir > dusunce goremedim. Bence tek bir gelistiricinin dusuncesini tum projeye > yuklemeyelim. GNOME konusunda bazi noktalarda net tavirlari olsa da goz > onundeki Ubuntu gibi Open SuSE gibi GNOME destekleyen dagitimlardan > kendilerine ders cikaracaklarini dusunuyorum. Ben de Pardus Projesi'ne mal etmiyorum. Zaten alttan almamin sebebi de bu. Fakat nasil bir projedir ki Pardus, onune gelen istedigi karari kut diye verip, kendi basina hatayi kapatiyor. Dahasi, 'gidin gazete ilani verin' gibi ukala cevaplar veriyor. Bu tip bir tutumu, hele ki bugzilla'da gosteren bir gelistiriciyi populer dagitimlarda tefe koyarlar. Ubuntu'nun Code of Conduct'i bu tip insanlarin varligi yuzunden var. Bu bile Pardus ile ilgili sorunlar oldugunun gostergesi. Zaten olay GNOME/KDE secimi felan da degil. GNOME.org.tr sitesinde ozellikle viki bolumunde ciddi bir icerik var. Ayrica ilerleyen zamanlarda daha fazla icerik ekleyecegiz. O acidan zaten parmakla gosterilecek siteler arasinda, kullanicilara daha fazla bilgi imkani saglamak icin boyle bir oneride bulundum. GNOME.org uzerindeki icerikten bahsetmeme bile gerek yok. > > > > > > GUADEC'i Turkiye'ye getirerek, Turkiye'de Ozgur Yazilim'in gelismesine > > katki saglamak icin caba harcadigimiz su gunlerde, birileri tarafindan > > boyle bir tavir ile karsilasmak beni rahatsiz etti. Bu tutumu kisisel > > algilamadigim icin sizlerle paylasmak istedim. > > Ben de aslinda tam da bu konu icin yazacaktim. Burada gorunce cevap > vermeden olmazdi. Baris, bu konuyla ilgili yeni bir baslik acabilir misin? > Son gelismeler, yapilanlar, yapilacaklar nedir? Acayim. Teklif verme suresini uzattiklari icin ben de mesaj atma isini uzattim biraz. :P > > Kolayliklar. > > 1) http://www.linuxfocus.org/Turkce/March1998/article25.html > > 2) Tam emin olmamakla birlikte, sanirim soyleside anilan ve bugun de > kalintilarindan muzdarip oldugumuz QT lisansi yuzunden KDE'ye tepki > duyulmaya baslandiginda, Torvalds cikip yine kullanislilik vs diyerek > KDE kullanilmasini telkin etmis (GNOME'un yeni yeni bir seyler yapmaya > calistigi donemde aldigi darbeyi dusunun). Ayni Stallman'in Nvidia vb > binary suruculerle ilgili aciklamalarina, dunyanin en buyuk "Acik Kaynak > Kod/Ozgur Yazilim" projelerinden biri olan cekirdek projesinde > bitkeeper gibi kapali kaynak kod bir programi kullandigi zamandaki gibi > olaya farkli acidan bakmis. Bu bakis acisini biliyoruz; adam olaya > fayda yonunden bakiyor. > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk From nilgun@belgeler.gen.tr Mon May 21 02:49:39 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E925A3B00A8 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 02:49:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.757 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.757 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.034, BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_IY=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:1:60:M1452, S, T, N, W4:.:?:?] (NAT!) (up: 1076 hrs), (link: pppoe (DSL)), [88.248.3.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3KQx3BndXPDy for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 02:49:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posta.belgeler.gen.tr (posta.belgeler.gen.tr [88.248.3.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AACE63B0076 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 02:49:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posta.belgeler.gen.tr ([192.168.1.2]) by posta.belgeler.gen.tr with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq1i0-0001mb-82 for gnome-turk@gnome.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 09:49:32 +0300 From: =?utf-8?q?Nilg=C3=BCn_Belma_Bug=C3=BCner?= Organization: belgeler.org To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 09:48:48 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Nilg=C3=BCn_Belma_Bug=C3=BCner?= , Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 06:49:39 -0000 Selam, Bu tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fmay=C4=B1 uzaktan izlemek niyetindeydim ama, grup olarak baz=C4=B1 =C5=9Feyleri anla=C5=9F=C4=B1lan unutuveriyorsunuz. Ne ekerseniz = onu bi=C3=A7ersiniz.=20 Bu listede bir tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fma hat=C4=B1rl=C4=B1yorum; bu grubun i=C5=9F= i de=C4=9Fildi=20 ya, Pardus'u desteklemek; ne oldu =C5=9Fimdi, sizin art=C4=B1k ayn=C4=B1=20 deste=C4=9Fe ihtiyac=C4=B1n=C4=B1z olmamal=C4=B1yd=C4=B1, de=C4=9Fil mi? Esen kal=C4=B1n, Nilg=C3=BCn =20 21 May 2007 Pts 04:06 sular=C4=B1nda, Umit Bozkir =C5=9Funlar=C4=B1 yazm=C4= =B1=C5=9Ft=C4=B1:=20 > Merhaba, >=20 > On Sun, 20 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: >=20 > > Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazilim > > icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. > > > > Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolayi, > > sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini > > dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. > > > > Ancak ilginc bir sekilde, GNOME Turkiye ve GNOME web sayfalarinin yer > > imlerinde fazlalik olacagi gibi bir sonuca varildi. Dahasi GNOME > > Turkiye'nin destekci bulmak icin gazetelere ilan vermesi gibi cok > > orjinal bir oneri ile de karsilasmis olduk. > > > > Firefox'un kendisinin GTK kullaniyor olmasi gibi ironik bir durum soyle > > dursun, her firsatta Acik Kaynakli oldugu vurgulanan bir Linux > > dagitiminda gelistirici olan birisinin, Ozgur Masaustu icin bir mihenk > > tasi olan GNOME'a bakis acisini ziyadesinde manidar ve ilginc buldum. >=20 >=20 > Miguel'in yaptigi bir soyleside [1] KDE - GNOME atismalarinin ilk > donemlerinden cok az da olsa bahsediyor. O gunlerden bugune cok sey=20 > degisti. Ancak Torvalds'in -tipki o gunlerde soyledigi sozlere benzer [2]= =2D=20 > soyledigi bir soze takilip kalmaya gerek yok. Cok sinirlendirirlerse=20 > yuzlerine uzerinde GTK yazan bir pasta yapistiririz artik.:) >=20 >=20 > > Hata bildirimi ve uzerinde donen ufak "tartisma" asagidaki bagda: > > http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=3D5713 >=20 > Burada Torvalds, son gunlerde GNOME'culara her firsatta soylenen bu=20 > sozlerinden sonra cozum onerilerini de iceren, ilk uslubundan daha ilimli= =20 > epostalar da atmisti. Ardindan Novell destegiyle 3 boyutlu masaustu=20 > de ilk GNOME destekli cikti. GNOME daha bir hizlandi, guzellesti. Bunda=20 > Torvalds'in o ilk agresif yazisi ne kadar etkili oldu emin degilim. Ancak= =20 > GNOME'cularda gozle gorulur bir hirs var ve guzel isler cikarmaya devam=20 > ediyorlar. Nedense bunlar pek konusulmuyor. >=20 > Ben bugzilladaki tartismada toptan Pardus Projesine mal edilebilecek bi= r=20 > dusunce goremedim. Bence tek bir gelistiricinin dusuncesini tum projeye=20 > yuklemeyelim. GNOME konusunda bazi noktalarda net tavirlari olsa da goz=20 > onundeki Ubuntu gibi Open SuSE gibi GNOME destekleyen dagitimlardan=20 > kendilerine ders cikaracaklarini dusunuyorum. >=20 >=20 > > > > GUADEC'i Turkiye'ye getirerek, Turkiye'de Ozgur Yazilim'in gelismesine > > katki saglamak icin caba harcadigimiz su gunlerde, birileri tarafindan > > boyle bir tavir ile karsilasmak beni rahatsiz etti. Bu tutumu kisisel > > algilamadigim icin sizlerle paylasmak istedim. >=20 > Ben de aslinda tam da bu konu icin yazacaktim. Burada gorunce cevap=20 > vermeden olmazdi. Baris, bu konuyla ilgili yeni bir baslik acabilir misin= ?=20 > Son gelismeler, yapilanlar, yapilacaklar nedir? >=20 > Kolayliklar. >=20 > 1) http://www.linuxfocus.org/Turkce/March1998/article25.html >=20 > 2) Tam emin olmamakla birlikte, sanirim soyleside anilan ve bugun de > kalintilarindan muzdarip oldugumuz QT lisansi yuzunden KDE'ye tepki > duyulmaya baslandiginda, Torvalds cikip yine kullanislilik vs diyerek > KDE kullanilmasini telkin etmis (GNOME'un yeni yeni bir seyler yapmaya > calistigi donemde aldigi darbeyi dusunun). Ayni Stallman'in Nvidia vb > binary suruculerle ilgili aciklamalarina, dunyanin en buyuk "Acik Kay= nak > Kod/Ozgur Yazilim" projelerinden biri olan cekirdek projesinde > bitkeeper gibi kapali kaynak kod bir programi kullandigi zamandaki gi= bi > olaya farkli acidan bakmis. Bu bakis acisini biliyoruz; adam olaya > fayda yonunden bakiyor. > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk >=20 >=20 From uyarertalat@gmail.com Mon May 21 03:08:59 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ABD63B0004 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 03:08:59 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.298 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.298 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME=0.224, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_IY=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(up: 1077 hrs), (link: pppoe (DSL)), [88.248.3.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GKF1iSk25vni for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 03:11:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posta.belgeler.gen.tr (posta.belgeler.gen.tr [88.248.3.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C8623B0004 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 03:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posta.belgeler.gen.tr ([192.168.1.2]) by posta.belgeler.gen.tr with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq231-0001nN-Ob for gnome-turk@gnome.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 10:11:15 +0300 From: =?utf-8?q?Nilg=C3=BCn_Belma_Bug=C3=BCner?= Organization: belgeler.org To: "Gnome Turkiye Listesi" Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:11:02 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705211011.02950@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Nilg=C3=BCn_Belma_Bug=C3=BCner?= , Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 07:11:22 -0000 21 May 2007 Pts 10:08 sular=C4=B1nda, talat uyarer =C5=9Funlar=C4=B1 yazm= =C4=B1=C5=9Ft=C4=B1: > Selam Nilgun, Selam, >=20 > Asl=C4=B1nda bu konu hakl=C4=B1s=C4=B1n ama o tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fma asl=C4= =B1nda Pardusa gnome paketlemekle > alakal=C4=B1yd=C4=B1 galiba yanl=C4=B1=C5=9F hat=C4=B1rl=C4=B1yorsan uyar= =C4=B1n. >=20 Paketler konusunda bir kerhen destek ald=C4=B1=C4=9F=C4=B1n=C4=B1 hat=C4=B1= rl=C4=B1yorum sadece. > 21.05.2007 tarihinde Nilg=C3=BCn Belma Bug=C3=BCner yazm=C4=B1=C5=9F: > > > > Selam, > > > > Bu tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fmay=C4=B1 uzaktan izlemek niyetindeydim ama, grup ol= arak > > baz=C4=B1 =C5=9Feyleri anla=C5=9F=C4=B1lan unutuveriyorsunuz. Ne ekerse= niz onu bi=C3=A7ersiniz. > > Bu listede bir tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fma hat=C4=B1rl=C4=B1yorum; bu grubun i= =C5=9Fi de=C4=9Fildi > > ya, Pardus'u desteklemek; ne oldu =C5=9Fimdi, sizin art=C4=B1k ayn=C4=B1 > > deste=C4=9Fe ihtiyac=C4=B1n=C4=B1z olmamal=C4=B1yd=C4=B1, de=C4=9Fil mi? > > > > Esen kal=C4=B1n, > > Nilg=C3=BCn > > > > 21 May 2007 Pts 04:06 sular=C4=B1nda, Umit Bozkir =C5=9Funlar=C4=B1 yaz= m=C4=B1=C5=9Ft=C4=B1: > > > Merhaba, > > > > > > On Sun, 20 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: > > > > > > > Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazi= lim > > > > icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. > > > > > > > > Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolay= i, > > > > sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini > > > > dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. > > > > > > > > Ancak ilginc bir sekilde, GNOME Turkiye ve GNOME web sayfalarinin y= er > > > > imlerinde fazlalik olacagi gibi bir sonuca varildi. Dahasi GNOME > > > > Turkiye'nin destekci bulmak icin gazetelere ilan vermesi gibi cok > > > > orjinal bir oneri ile de karsilasmis olduk. > > > > > > > > Firefox'un kendisinin GTK kullaniyor olmasi gibi ironik bir durum > > soyle > > > > dursun, her firsatta Acik Kaynakli oldugu vurgulanan bir Linux > > > > dagitiminda gelistirici olan birisinin, Ozgur Masaustu icin bir mih= enk > > > > tasi olan GNOME'a bakis acisini ziyadesinde manidar ve ilginc buldu= m. > > > > > > > > > Miguel'in yaptigi bir soyleside [1] KDE - GNOME atismalarinin ilk > > > donemlerinden cok az da olsa bahsediyor. O gunlerden bugune cok sey > > > degisti. Ancak Torvalds'in -tipki o gunlerde soyledigi sozlere benzer > > [2]- > > > soyledigi bir soze takilip kalmaya gerek yok. Cok sinirlendirirlerse > > > yuzlerine uzerinde GTK yazan bir pasta yapistiririz artik.:) > > > > > > > > > > Hata bildirimi ve uzerinde donen ufak "tartisma" asagidaki bagda: > > > > http://bugs.pardus.org.tr/show_bug.cgi?id=3D5713 > > > > > > Burada Torvalds, son gunlerde GNOME'culara her firsatta soylenen bu > > > sozlerinden sonra cozum onerilerini de iceren, ilk uslubundan daha > > ilimli > > > epostalar da atmisti. Ardindan Novell destegiyle 3 boyutlu masaustu > > > de ilk GNOME destekli cikti. GNOME daha bir hizlandi, guzellesti. Bun= da > > > Torvalds'in o ilk agresif yazisi ne kadar etkili oldu emin degilim. > > Ancak > > > GNOME'cularda gozle gorulur bir hirs var ve guzel isler cikarmaya dev= am > > > ediyorlar. Nedense bunlar pek konusulmuyor. > > > > > > Ben bugzilladaki tartismada toptan Pardus Projesine mal edilebilecek > > bir > > > dusunce goremedim. Bence tek bir gelistiricinin dusuncesini tum proje= ye > > > yuklemeyelim. GNOME konusunda bazi noktalarda net tavirlari olsa da g= oz > > > onundeki Ubuntu gibi Open SuSE gibi GNOME destekleyen dagitimlardan > > > kendilerine ders cikaracaklarini dusunuyorum. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > GUADEC'i Turkiye'ye getirerek, Turkiye'de Ozgur Yazilim'in gelismes= ine > > > > katki saglamak icin caba harcadigimiz su gunlerde, birileri tarafin= dan > > > > boyle bir tavir ile karsilasmak beni rahatsiz etti. Bu tutumu kisis= el > > > > algilamadigim icin sizlerle paylasmak istedim. > > > > > > Ben de aslinda tam da bu konu icin yazacaktim. Burada gorunce cevap > > > vermeden olmazdi. Baris, bu konuyla ilgili yeni bir baslik acabilir > > misin? > > > Son gelismeler, yapilanlar, yapilacaklar nedir? > > > > > > Kolayliklar. > > > > > > 1) http://www.linuxfocus.org/Turkce/March1998/article25.html > > > > > > 2) Tam emin olmamakla birlikte, sanirim soyleside anilan ve bugun de > > > kalintilarindan muzdarip oldugumuz QT lisansi yuzunden KDE'ye tep= ki > > > duyulmaya baslandiginda, Torvalds cikip yine kullanislilik vs > > diyerek > > > KDE kullanilmasini telkin etmis (GNOME'un yeni yeni bir seyler > > yapmaya > > > calistigi donemde aldigi darbeyi dusunun). Ayni Stallman'in Nvidia > > vb > > > binary suruculerle ilgili aciklamalarina, dunyanin en buyuk "Acik > > Kaynak > > > Kod/Ozgur Yazilim" projelerinden biri olan cekirdek projesinde > > > bitkeeper gibi kapali kaynak kod bir programi kullandigi zamandaki > > gibi > > > olaya farkli acidan bakmis. Bu bakis acisini biliyoruz; adam olaya > > > fayda yonunden bakiyor. > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > > > Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > > Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk > > >=20 From selimok@gmail.com Mon May 21 05:28:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A37F23B0146 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 05:28:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.376 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.376 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME=0.224, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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Mon, 21 May 2007 06:03:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0488478503B; Mon, 21 May 2007 06:03:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nilg=FCn?= Belma =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bug=FCner?= , Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 13:01:26 +0300 Message-Id: <1179741686.6780.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:01:39 -0000 On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 09:48 +0300, Nilgün Belma Bugüner wrote: > Selam, > > Bu tartışmayı uzaktan izlemek niyetindeydim ama, grup olarak > bazı şeyleri anlaşılan unutuveriyorsunuz. Ne ekerseniz onu biçersiniz. > Bu listede bir tartışma hatırlıyorum; bu grubun işi değildi > ya, Pardus'u desteklemek; ne oldu şimdi, sizin artık aynı > desteğe ihtiyacınız olmamalıydı, değil mi? Pardus ile ilgili bu listelerde benim hatirlardigim tek tartisma Pardus GNOME paketleri ile ilgili oldu. O donemde burada soylenen seyler Pardus icin GNOME paketlerinin yapilma yonundeki bir calismayi GNOME Turkiye adi altinda yapmak yerine baska bir proje olarak gerceklestirmenin daha verimli olacagi idi. Hatta varilan karar soylediginizin aksine Pardus icin GNOME Paketlerinin olmasi gerektigi ve bu konuda gereken destegin GNOME Turkiye tarafindan verilmesi yonundeydi. Nihayetinde Gaplan dogdu. Ancak bazi sebeplerden dolayi yayinlanabilir bir paket deposu ortaya cikmadi. Ayrica sapla samani karistirmayin. Tekrar etmekte fayda goruyorum, bir tarafta 30'un ustunde paketi yonetmek gibi bir isten, bir tarafta da zaten hazir olan yer imi listesine, icerisinde Turkce icerik bulunan bir sayfayi eklemekten bahsediyoruz. > > Esen kalın, > Nilgün > > 21 May 2007 Pts 04:06 sularında, Umit Bozkir şunları yazmıştı: > > Merhaba, > > > > On Sun, 20 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: > > > > > Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazilim > > > icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. > > > > > > Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolayi, > > > sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini > > > dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. > > > From baris@teamforce.name.tr Mon May 21 07:01:24 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F0E13B00DC for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:01:24 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.542, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, TW_IY=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3817 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rgUk9Y30ZP6k for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE70A3B00F5 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:01:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7942378503C for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22356-03 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:03:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 720A178503B for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:03:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> <200705211011.02950@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:01:05 +0300 Message-Id: <1179745265.6780.72.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 11:01:24 -0000 On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 11:28 +0200, selim ok wrote: > Bende biraz geçmişte konuşulanları inceledim, bir kaç kişiyle bu > konuyu konuştum ve neden böyle tepkiler aldığınızı anlamış oldum. > Gerçekten de şimdiye kadar net bir çalışma ortaya koyduğunuzu > göremedim. Varsa gösterin lütfen. Genelde hep konuşmalar Pardus bize > destek vermiyor, Pardus bizi sevmiyordan ileri gitmemiş. Oysa Gaplan > projesi ile ilgili destek ve ilgi isterken geliştiricilerden biri çok > net bir şekilde çalışmanızı ortaya koyun gereği yapılır demiş. Tıpkı > bugün Xfce'ye yapıldığı gibi. Gaplan projesinin GNOME Turkiye ile dogrudan hicbir baglantisi yok. O acidan ne yapilmis ne yapilmamis seklinde bilgi verebilecek durumda degilim. Olayi onunla iliskilendirmenin de pek dogru olmadigini dusunuyorum o yuzden. > > İkinci bir masaüstünü henüz neden desteklemediklerini açıklayan çok > mantıklı sebepleri var. Biraz araştırın bulacaksınız. Pardus haybeye > bir dağıtım değil. Büyük hedefleri var. Gerçekçi planlarla yola > çıkıyor. Ayağını geliştirici sayısı ve niteliğine göre uzatıyor > diyelim. Dogruyu soylemek gerekirse BZ'da donen boyle bir yaklasimla gelistirici sayisinin ancak gazeteye eleman ilani vererek bulma gibi bir sikintiyla karsilasabilirler. Ben bircok dagitimin icerisinde bir fiil calismis birisi olarak bir dagitimin ne yapmasi gerektigi, ne yaparsa insanlari kendisinden uzaklastirir ne yaparsa ceker konusunda hasbelkader bir tecrubeye sahibim diyebilirim. Ve bu dogrultuda BZ'deki olayin da Pardus icin pozitif bir etki olusturdugunu soyleyemeyecegim. Ayrica secenekleri ne kadar kisarsaniz o kadar az kullanici bulursunuz. Kendinizi ne kadar proje icinde totaliter, katilimi zor hale getirirseniz o kadar cok insan kaynagina ihtiyac duyarsiniz. > > Sonuç olarak ben bu tip tepkilerle iki şeyde karşılaştım şimdiye kadar > ve sebebini gerçekten dün gece itibari ile anlamış bulundum. (Her ne > kadar biraz daha yumuşak tepki verilmesi gerektiğini düşünsem de her > insan aynı derecede sabırlı olamıyor) Bir Kürtçe dil desteği konusunda > saçma sapan görüşler ortaya sürülmüştü ki, yapın çalışmanızı ekleyelim > bu desteği dendiğinde yine ortada adam kalmamıştı. Aynı şey Gnome > masaüstü desteği içinde geçerli. Hem olsun istiyorsunuz hem destek > vermiyorsunuz. Komik buluyorum. Ne verdiniz de ne almak istiyorsunuz? > Özgür yazılım bu kimse sizi tutmuyor. Gaplan yada Gardus gibi bir > dağıtım çıkarmak parmaklarınızın ucunda. :) Tekrar, Gaplan != GNOME Turkiye. Ancak oyle bile olsa Gaplan projesi ile bu olayin nasil iliskilendirildigini anlayabilmis degilim. "Turkce Ozgur Yazilim icerik..." gibi bir yer imi basliginda GNOME.org.tr olmasi icin GNOME paketleri mi olmasi gerekiyor? Dedigim gibi Gaplan projesinin neden hala bir urun vermedigi konusundaki detaylari tam olarak bilmiyorum. Fakat caydirici olmak yerine yapici olmak Gaplan projesine daha da faydali olurdu diye dusunuyorum. Ama o konuda pek bilgi sahibi degilim. > > Tartışmayı uzatmak gibi bir gayem yok, fakat daha önceki mesajımda > nedenini anlayamadığımdan bahsetmiştim. Şimdi anladım ve > anlayamayanlara yardımcı olur belki diye bunları yazmak zorunda > hissettim. Ben ortada genel bir Pardus tepkisinden daha cok kisisel bazi goruslerin sebep oldugu kanaatindeyim. Anlasiliyorki karar alma mercilerinde de bazi sikintilar var ki kisisel gorusler dakikalar icerisinde dagitimin genelini etkiliyor. Bir gelistirici mantikli bulurken, bir baskasi, 'madem oyle iste boyle' tandansli bir tavir icine giriyor. > > Son bir tavsiye az konuşun çok iş yapın ki destek çıkan olsun. Olayin farkli algilandigini dusunuyorum. Mesele Pardus'un GNOME Turkiye'ye kol kanat germesi felan degil. Buna ne ihtiyac var ne de bu yonde bir talebilimiz oldu. Fakat sunu da belirtmekte fayda var. Ozgur Yazilim camiasinin cok genis olmadigi ulkemizde Tubitak adiyla cikmis ve farkli nedenlerden dolayi bir cok insanin 'Linux demek bu' diye algiladigi bir dagitimda GNOME.org.tr adresinin -en azindan- yer imlerinde bulunmasi bizim bilinirligimiz acisindan onemlidir. Linux konusunda bilgisi az olan insanlar oradaki baga tiklayarak ne kullandiklari hakkinda da daha fazla bilgi sahibi olurlar. Bunun is yapmakla felan ne alakasi var? Isi yapip sitemizi yeniledik, gordugumuz destek de bu mu simdi? Cok ikna edici oldugunu soyleyemem. > > İyi çalışmalar, > Selim > > > From ismail.asci@gmail.com Mon May 21 07:04:43 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD6F3B00F5 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 07:04:43 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.396 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.396 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.528, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_30_40=0.374, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME=0.224, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) 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(up: 1097 hrs), (link: pppoe (DSL)), [88.248.3.181] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 871r0l6dEXC7 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 11:23:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posta.belgeler.gen.tr (posta.belgeler.gen.tr [88.248.3.181]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E48603B01BA for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 11:22:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from posta.belgeler.gen.tr ([192.168.1.2]) by posta.belgeler.gen.tr with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1Hq9i3-0001vH-Fw for gnome-turk@gnome.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:22:07 +0300 From: =?utf-8?q?Nilg=C3=BCn_Belma_Bug=C3=BCner?= Organization: belgeler.org To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 18:19:01 +0300 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.5 References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> <1179741686.6780.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1179741686.6780.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200705211819.01248@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: =?utf-8?q?Nilg=C3=BCn_Belma_Bug=C3=BCner?= , Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 15:23:36 -0000 21 May 2007 Pts 13:01 sular=C4=B1nda, Baris Cicek =C5=9Funlar=C4=B1 yazm=C4= =B1=C5=9Ft=C4=B1: > On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 09:48 +0300, Nilg=C3=BCn Belma Bug=C3=BCner wrote: > > Selam, > >=20 > > Bu tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fmay=C4=B1 uzaktan izlemek niyetindeydim ama, grup ol= arak > > baz=C4=B1 =C5=9Feyleri anla=C5=9F=C4=B1lan unutuveriyorsunuz. Ne ekerse= niz onu bi=C3=A7ersiniz.=20 > > Bu listede bir tart=C4=B1=C5=9Fma hat=C4=B1rl=C4=B1yorum; bu grubun i= =C5=9Fi de=C4=9Fildi=20 > > ya, Pardus'u desteklemek; ne oldu =C5=9Fimdi, sizin art=C4=B1k ayn=C4= =B1=20 > > deste=C4=9Fe ihtiyac=C4=B1n=C4=B1z olmamal=C4=B1yd=C4=B1, de=C4=9Fil mi? >=20 > Pardus ile ilgili bu listelerde benim hatirlardigim tek tartisma Pardus > GNOME paketleri ile ilgili oldu. O donemde burada soylenen seyler Pardus > icin GNOME paketlerinin yapilma yonundeki bir calismayi GNOME Turkiye > adi altinda yapmak yerine baska bir proje olarak gerceklestirmenin daha > verimli olacagi idi. Hatta varilan karar soylediginizin aksine Pardus > icin GNOME Paketlerinin olmasi gerektigi ve bu konuda gereken destegin > GNOME Turkiye tarafindan verilmesi yonundeydi.=20 >=20 Selam, Listeye g=C3=B6nderdi=C4=9Finiz 16.01.2006 Pts 18:17 tarihli iletinizi hat= =C4=B1rlam=C4=B1=C5=9F=C4=B1m=20 san=C4=B1r=C4=B1m. Orada ekip olarak g=C3=B6revinizin ne olup olmad=C4=B1= =C4=9F=C4=B1n=C4=B1 a=C3=A7=C4=B1klam=C4=B1=C5=9Fs=C4=B1n=C4=B1z. Nihayetinde, b=C3=BCt=C3=BCn da=C4=9F=C4=B1t=C4=B1mlara ayn=C4=B1 uzakl=C4= =B1kta durmak yerine=20 ayn=C4=B1 yak=C4=B1nl=C4=B1kta durmay=C4=B1 se=C3=A7mek san=C4=B1r=C4=B1m d= aha olumlu bir yakla=C5=9F=C4=B1m olurdu. Benim =C5=9Fahsi kanaatim size ra=C4=9Fmen sizi de o listeye alacaklar=C4= =B1 y=C3=B6n=C3=BCnde; onlar=C4=B1n barda=C4=9F=C4=B1n 'dolu taraf=C4=B1n=C4=B1' g=C3=B6receklerin= i d=C3=BC=C5=9F=C3=BCn=C3=BCyorum. Olaya GNOME taraftarl=C4=B1=C4=9F=C4=B1 g=C3=B6zl=C3=BC=C4=9F=C3=BCyle bakm= ak yerine kaynaklar=C4=B1n verimli=20 kullan=C4=B1m=C4=B1 y=C3=B6n=C3=BCnde yap=C4=B1lm=C4=B1=C5=9F bir tercih ol= arak yakla=C5=9F=C4=B1rsan=C4=B1z, ileride kaynaklar=C4=B1n biraz daha elveri=C5=9Fli oldu=C4=9Fu bir zamanda Pardus e= kibinin hadi GNOME deste=C4=9Fi de verelim fikrine daha kolay gelmesini sa=C4=9Flam= =C4=B1=C5=9F olursunuz. Esen kal=C4=B1n, Nilg=C3=BCn > Nihayetinde Gaplan dogdu. Ancak bazi sebeplerden dolayi yayinlanabilir > bir paket deposu ortaya cikmadi.=20 >=20 > Ayrica sapla samani karistirmayin. Tekrar etmekte fayda goruyorum, bir > tarafta 30'un ustunde paketi yonetmek gibi bir isten, bir tarafta da > zaten hazir olan yer imi listesine, icerisinde Turkce icerik bulunan bir > sayfayi eklemekten bahsediyoruz.=20 >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > Esen kal=C4=B1n, > > Nilg=C3=BCn > > =20 > > 21 May 2007 Pts 04:06 sular=C4=B1nda, Umit Bozkir =C5=9Funlar=C4=B1 yaz= m=C4=B1=C5=9Ft=C4=B1:=20 > > > Merhaba, > > >=20 > > > On Sun, 20 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: > > >=20 > > > > Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazi= lim > > > > icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. > > > > > > > > Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolay= i, > > > > sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini > > > > dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. > > > > >=20 >=20 >=20 From bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Mon May 21 12:10:22 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23F3C3B0103 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:10:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.943 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.943 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.656, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2676 hrs), (distance 18, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [160.75.2.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRVYGghJPtB0 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:10:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.edu.tr (mail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.2.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26E9D3B0154 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:10:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [160.75.100.15]) by mail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4LG96JQ020522 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:06 +0300 Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [127.0.0.1]) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4LG967s020468 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:06 +0300 Received: from localhost (bozkiru@localhost) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id l4LG965o020464 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:06 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr: bozkiru owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:09:06 +0300 (EEST) From: Umit Bozkir X-X-Sender: bozkiru@hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <1179723607.6780.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1179723607.6780.34.camel@localhost.localdomain> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-ITU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ITU-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ITU-MailScanner-From: bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:10:22 -0000 On Mon, 21 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: ---- kesildi ---- >>> GUADEC'i Turkiye'ye getirerek, Turkiye'de Ozgur Yazilim'in gelismesine >>> katki saglamak icin caba harcadigimiz su gunlerde, birileri tarafindan >>> boyle bir tavir ile karsilasmak beni rahatsiz etti. Bu tutumu kisisel >>> algilamadigim icin sizlerle paylasmak istedim. >> >> Ben de aslinda tam da bu konu icin yazacaktim. Burada gorunce cevap >> vermeden olmazdi. Baris, bu konuyla ilgili yeni bir baslik acabilir misin? >> Son gelismeler, yapilanlar, yapilacaklar nedir? > Acayim. Teklif verme suresini uzattiklari icin ben de mesaj atma isini > uzattim biraz. :P Benim de bu uzatmadan istifade soylemek istedigim bir kac sey var. From baris@teamforce.name.tr Mon May 21 12:10:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AFC733B0103 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:10:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.437 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.437 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.503, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3830 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTjF0v4ItAkV for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:10:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C826F3B002C for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:10:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 80C5B78503A; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:13:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03254-10; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:13:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9396785039; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:13:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Nilg=FCn?= Belma =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Bug=FCner?= , Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <200705211819.01248@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> References: <1179616790.3769.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705210948.48517@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> <1179741686.6780.48.camel@localhost.localdomain> <200705211819.01248@belgeler.gen.tr.ileti.no> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:10:48 +0300 Message-Id: <1179763848.6780.92.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] Pardus Firefox yer imleri ve GNOME X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:10:58 -0000 > > > Selam, > > Listeye gönderdiğiniz 16.01.2006 Pts 18:17 tarihli iletinizi hatırlamışım > sanırım. Orada ekip olarak görevinizin ne olup olmadığını açıklamışsınız. O gun soylediklerimle bugun farkli dusundugum hicbir sey yok. > > Nihayetinde, bütün dağıtımlara aynı uzaklıkta durmak yerine > aynı yakınlıkta durmayı seçmek sanırım daha olumlu bir yaklaşım olurdu. Ayni yakinlikta gibi de dusunebilirsiniz. > > Benim şahsi kanaatim size rağmen sizi de o listeye alacakları yönünde; > onların bardağın 'dolu tarafını' göreceklerini düşünüyorum. Olayin benimle bir alakasi oldugunu sanmiyorum. Ben sadece ustume dusen gorevi yapiyorum. > > Olaya GNOME taraftarlığı gözlüğüyle bakmak yerine kaynakların verimli > kullanımı yönünde yapılmış bir tercih olarak yaklaşırsanız, ileride > kaynakların biraz daha elverişli olduğu bir zamanda Pardus ekibinin > hadi GNOME desteği de verelim fikrine daha kolay gelmesini sağlamış > olursunuz. GNOME taraftarligi gozluguyle bakmiyorum kesinlikle. Ancak GNOME tarafindan bakiyorum. Boyle bakilinca GNOME'un Pardus'da bir tercih olarak bulunmasi GNOME'dan daha fazla Pardus'un lehine olacaktir diye dusunuyorum. O gun attigim postada oldugu gibi bugun de ayni seyi soyluyorum, Pardus icin GNOME paketlerini yapan birileri olursa destek veririz. Kaldi ki, paket yapmak dagitimin kendi kominitesi tarafindan gerceklestirmesi gereken bir eylem, bunu anlamakta neden zorlaniyorsunuz bilmiyorum. Sayet Pardus icin olusturulacak paketler konusunda GNOME Turkiye'den bir yardim gerekiyorsa, Pardus belgelerinden, gelistiricilerinden vs. on kat daha fazla yardim gerekir. Bu Fedora icin de gecerli, Ubuntu icin de, X dagitimi icin de. Benim bu konuyu listeyle paylasmamin sebebi Pardus'da GNOME paketlerinin bulunmamasi felan degil. Fakat bu konuda ugrasanlara da, teknik seylerle ugrastiklari kadar politik bazi seylerle de ugrasmak zorunda olduklari hakkinda bir tuyo vermek idi. Bu ben de olabilirim, Talat da ya da baska birisi de. Sayet bu konuda somut bir tavsiyeniz varsa da duymak isterim dogrusu. > > > Esen kalın, > Nilgün > > > Nihayetinde Gaplan dogdu. Ancak bazi sebeplerden dolayi yayinlanabilir > > bir paket deposu ortaya cikmadi. > > > > Ayrica sapla samani karistirmayin. Tekrar etmekte fayda goruyorum, bir > > tarafta 30'un ustunde paketi yonetmek gibi bir isten, bir tarafta da > > zaten hazir olan yer imi listesine, icerisinde Turkce icerik bulunan bir > > sayfayi eklemekten bahsediyoruz. > > > > > > > > > > Esen kalın, > > > Nilgün > > > > > > 21 May 2007 Pts 04:06 sularında, Umit Bozkir şunları yazmıştı: > > > > Merhaba, > > > > > > > > On Sun, 20 May 2007, Baris Cicek wrote: > > > > > > > > > Gecen gun Pardus ile gelen Firefox yer imlerinde "Turkce Ozgur Yazilim > > > > > icerigi" bolumunda GNOME Turkiye'nin bulunmadigini farkettim. > > > > > > > > > > Ingilizce yer imlerinde www.gnome.org sitesinin bulunmasindan dolayi, > > > > > sanirim gozden kacmis ya da GNOME Turkiye'den haberdar olunmadigini > > > > > dusunerek Pardus'a hata bildiriminde bulundum. > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk From baris@teamforce.name.tr Mon May 21 12:28:23 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4DE13B00D2 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:23 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.436 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.436 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.502, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3830 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LrLZD+YsD7UZ for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47E613B00B3 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:28:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id B23E378503A for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:30:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06630-04 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:30:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBEEF785039 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 12:30:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: gnome-turk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:27:58 +0300 Message-Id: <1179764878.6780.105.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: [GNOME-TR] [Fwd: GUADEC 2008] X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 16:28:23 -0000 Ek buyuk oldugu icin gitmiyor anladigim kadariyla, teklif'i gnome.org.tr altina koyup bir haber olarak ekleyebiliriz. -------- Forwarded Message -------- From: Baris Cicek To: gnome-turk Subject: GUADEC 2008 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:21:37 +0300 GUADEC 2008 Istanbul teklifi icin daha onceden hazirliklara basladigimizdan sanirim herkesin haberi vardir. Konferans alani, teklif icinde bulunacak bilgiler vs. konularda ortak bir calisma ile teklifi hazirladik ve gonderdik. Teklif e-posta'sini gnome-turk'e de ilgi olarak ekledim ancak nedense ulasmadi. Sikistirip bu sayfaya ekliyorum. Teklif sonrasi, cok olumlu tepkiler aldik. 7 Board uyesinden 4'u teklifi cok begendiklerini belirterek, ilgilerini ilettiler. Dahasi bizim disimizda ciddi bir teklifle gelen olmamis. Olasi bir kac teklif icin sure ay sonuna kadar uzatildi. Fakat su anda, buyuk olasilikla GUADEC 2008 icin en kuvvetli adayiz diyebilirim. Eger bu ayin sonuna kadar bizim ayarimizda bir teklif gelmez ise GUADEC 2007'yi beklemeden, gayriresmi olarak GUADEC 2008 Turkiye'de olacak diyebiliriz. Bu noktadan sonra yeni bir calisma plani ile ise koyulabiliriz. Teklif hazirlanmasinda yardimci olan ve bu etkinligi destekleyen herkese tesekkur ederim. Simdilik soyleyeceklerim bunlar, simdiden hayirli olsun diyesim geliyor ancak son karari duymadan da heyecanlanmak istemiyorum. From baris@teamforce.name.tr Mon May 21 15:45:51 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76B63B0072 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:45:51 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -0.135 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.135 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.801, BAYES_50=0.001, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3839 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JYIBZYvyFLli for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:45:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5693B002C for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:45:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id D475D78503A for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:48:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15908-02 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:48:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9B35785039 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: gnome-turk Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:45:38 +0300 Message-Id: <1179776738.6780.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: [GNOME-TR] GUADEC Istanbul Teklifi Son Hali X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 19:45:51 -0000 Teklifin gonderilen son halini http://gnome.org.tr/images/guadec2008-proposal.pdf adresinden indirebilirsiniz. Haberini gnome.org.tr ana sayfasina ekledim. From lenduha@gmail.com Mon May 21 15:46:58 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DD033B00AB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 15:46:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.336 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.336 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.905, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_50_60=0.134, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_BASE64_NO_NAME=0.224, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (Google crawlbot) (firewall!) 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(up: 2715 hrs), (distance 18, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [160.75.2.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0-m-J7U-FOa for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:04:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.edu.tr (mail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.2.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 604C93B00AB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:04:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail1.itu.edu.tr (webmail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.100.14]) by mail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4LK3CdM020609 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:03:13 +0300 Received: from webmail1.itu.edu.tr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4LK3CNB021663 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:03:12 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail1.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l4LK3Cu3021661 for gnome-turk@gnome.org; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:03:12 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.itu.edu.tr: apache set sender to ozayba@itu.edu.tr using -f Received: from 88.239.26.107 ([88.239.26.107]) by webmail.itu.edu.tr (Horde) with HTTP for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 23:03:12 +0300 Message-ID: <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:03:12 +0300 From: ozayba@itu.edu.tr To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi References: <1179776738.6780.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <230c2c100705211256m6a3e1771m7c02a2ae9dc7ab3@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <230c2c100705211256m6a3e1771m7c02a2ae9dc7ab3@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.1) X-ITU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ITU-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.89, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, NO_REAL_NAME 0.55) X-ITU-MailScanner-From: ozayba@itu.edu.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] GUADEC Istanbul Teklifi Son Hali X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:04:40 -0000 Merhabalar, Teklif cok guzel hazirlanmis emegi gecen herkesi tebrik ederim. Yanlislikla Suleyaman Demirel Kultur Merkezi, Sabanci olarak yazilmis, ama inceleyenler= bu farki anlayamaz gib geliyor. Su an final doneminde oldugumuz icin 10 gun so= nra ITU MBK olarak varolan gucumuzle GUADEC 2008 icin calisacagiz. Emegi gecen herkese tesekkurler Baris Ozay Quoting Deniz Ko=E7ak : > On 5/21/07, Baris Cicek wrote: >> >> Teklifin gonderilen son halini >> http://gnome.org.tr/images/guadec2008-proposal.pdf adresinden >> indirebilirsiniz. Haberini gnome.org.tr ana sayfasina ekledim. >> >> ____ > > > Bir onceki postamda yazd=FD=F0=FDm adresi siler senkronizasyon sorunundan= =F6t=FCr=FC > =F6z=FCr dilerim. :) > > ___________________________________________ >> Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi >> Gnome-Turk@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From baris@teamforce.name.tr Mon May 21 16:11:26 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 626253B0072 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:11:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.431 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.431 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.497, BAYES_00=-2.599, SARE_RECV_IP_069060096=1.666, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3840 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [69.60.117.115] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3BFm-bk-D8TR for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:11:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr (nerd.com.tr [69.60.117.115]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723063B00AB for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:11:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id 715E478503A for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:13:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nerd.com.tr ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (nerd.com.tr [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19217-02 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:13:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (unknown [81.213.157.51]) by nerd.com.tr (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA3E8785039 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 16:13:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Baris Cicek To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> References: <1179776738.6780.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <230c2c100705211256m6a3e1771m7c02a2ae9dc7ab3@mail.gmail.com> <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 23:11:12 +0300 Message-Id: <1179778272.19555.5.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.10.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at nerd.com.tr Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] GUADEC Istanbul Teklifi Son Hali X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 20:11:26 -0000 Beni mi andi Sabanci ailesinden birisi acaba o sirada. Son dakikada alelacele olunca malesef yanlis yazmisim, vakit olmadigi icin kontrol icin listeye atamadim, keske onceden uzatsalardi, kusura bakmayin. Bu arada "Baris Ozay" ismini bulana kadar da akla karayi sectim daha once mektuplarda ismin hic gecmiyordu. Allahtan Google dogru bulmus. GUADEC 2008 - Istanbul kesinlesirse oncelikle SDKM icin tarih konusunda bir ayarlama yapip bir an once rezervasyon yapmaliyiz sanirim. Sanirim o donemde ben de Istanbul'a gelip bir fizibilite calismasi cikartmak durumunda kalacagim, workshop odalarinin 50-60 kisiyi almasi lazim minimum. Ayrica rektorlugunde maddi destegi olursa (yer kirasi talep etmesinler yeter aslinda) cok da guzel olur. On Mon, 2007-05-21 at 23:03 +0300, ozayba@itu.edu.tr wrote: > Merhabalar, > > Teklif cok guzel hazirlanmis emegi gecen herkesi tebrik ederim. Yanlislikla > Suleyaman Demirel Kultur Merkezi, Sabanci olarak yazilmis, ama inceleyenler bu > farki anlayamaz gib geliyor. Su an final doneminde oldugumuz icin 10 gun sonra > ITU MBK olarak varolan gucumuzle GUADEC 2008 icin calisacagiz. > > Emegi gecen herkese tesekkurler > > Baris Ozay > > > Quoting Deniz Koçak : > > > On 5/21/07, Baris Cicek wrote: > >> > >> Teklifin gonderilen son halini > >> http://gnome.org.tr/images/guadec2008-proposal.pdf adresinden > >> indirebilirsiniz. Haberini gnome.org.tr ana sayfasina ekledim. > >> > >> ____ > > > > > > Bir onceki postamda yazdığım adresi siler senkronizasyon sorunundan ötürü > > özür dilerim. :) > > > > ___________________________________________ > >> Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > >> Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk > >> > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. > > _______________________________________________ > Gnome-Turk ePosta listesi > Gnome-Turk@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-turk From bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Mon May 21 18:03:37 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 804283B0078 for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:03:37 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -1.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.601, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 7555 hrs), (distance 18, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [160.75.2.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RH6vJgknmNwR for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:03:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail2.itu.edu.tr (mail2.itu.edu.tr [160.75.2.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8822F3B011C for ; Mon, 21 May 2007 18:03:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [160.75.100.15]) by mail2.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4LM0Acn004017 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 May 2007 01:00:10 +0300 Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [127.0.0.1]) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4LM0A6f025357; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:00:10 +0300 Received: from localhost (bozkiru@localhost) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id l4LM0ALR025353; Tue, 22 May 2007 01:00:10 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr: bozkiru owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 01:00:10 +0300 (EEST) From: Umit Bozkir X-X-Sender: bozkiru@hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> Message-ID: References: <1179776738.6780.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <230c2c100705211256m6a3e1771m7c02a2ae9dc7ab3@mail.gmail.com> <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-ITU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ITU-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ITU-MailScanner-From: bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Cc: snmzktnc Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] GUADEC Istanbul Teklifi Son Hali X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 22:03:37 -0000 Merhaba, On Mon, 21 May 2007, ozayba@itu.edu.tr wrote: > > Merhabalar, > > Teklif cok guzel hazirlanmis emegi gecen herkesi tebrik ederim. Yanlislikla > Suleyaman Demirel Kultur Merkezi, Sabanci olarak yazilmis, ama inceleyenler bu > farki anlayamaz gib geliyor. Su an final doneminde oldugumuz icin 10 gun sonra > ITU MBK olarak varolan gucumuzle GUADEC 2008 icin calisacagiz. Sevgili Baris'lar yer teklifimizi SDKM olarak verelim ancak bir yandan ne olur ne olmaz alternatiflere de bakalim. Yine ITU icinde Taksim Meydani'na 5-10 dk uzakliktaki ITU Mimarlik Fakultesini de bir dusunelim derim. Gelecek misafirlerin cogunun Taksim civarinda konaklayacagini da dusunursek cok kotu bir fikir gibi gelmiyor bana. SDKM hacim olarak buyuk ama GUADEC gibi ayni anda 4-5 salonun gerekebilecegi bir etkinlik icin kucuk kalabilir. WorkShop odalari fena degil ancak bu konuyla ilgili bir araya geldigimizde yine bir kez daha gorusup, dusunelim derim. > Emegi gecen herkese tesekkurler Herkesin eline saglik. Kolay gelsin. 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(up: 2829 hrs), (distance 18, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [160.75.2.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 95n0x-x1yWas for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:24:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.edu.tr (mail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.2.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A159F3B00DA for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 03:24:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from webmail1.itu.edu.tr (webmail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.100.14]) by mail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4M7Mm6Z022652 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 May 2007 10:22:48 +0300 Received: from webmail1.itu.edu.tr (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by webmail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4M7Mm0C007118; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:22:48 +0300 Received: (from apache@localhost) by webmail1.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) id l4M7MlTp007116; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:22:47 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: webmail1.itu.edu.tr: apache set sender to ketencis@itu.edu.tr using -f Received: from dsl85-102-40483.ttnet.net.tr (dsl85-102-40483.ttnet.net.tr [85.102.158.35]) by webmail.itu.edu.tr (Horde) with HTTP for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 10:22:47 +0300 Message-ID: <20070522102247.hfq5tfb20qqyog44@webmail.itu.edu.tr> Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 10:22:47 +0300 From: ketencis@itu.edu.tr To: Umit Bozkir References: <1179776738.6780.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <230c2c100705211256m6a3e1771m7c02a2ae9dc7ab3@mail.gmail.com> <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-9; format="flowed" Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit User-Agent: Internet Messaging Program (IMP) H3 (4.0.1) X-ITU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ITU-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-0.89, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44, NO_REAL_NAME 0.55) X-ITU-MailScanner-From: ketencis@itu.edu.tr Cc: Gnome Turkiye Listesi Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] GUADEC Istanbul Teklifi Son Hali X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 07:25:19 -0000 Selamlar, Quoting Umit Bozkir : > > Merhaba, > > On Mon, 21 May 2007, ozayba@itu.edu.tr wrote: > >> >> Merhabalar, >> >> Teklif cok guzel hazirlanmis emegi gecen herkesi tebrik ederim. Yanlislikla >> Suleyaman Demirel Kultur Merkezi, Sabanci olarak yazilmis, ama >> inceleyenler bu >> farki anlayamaz gib geliyor. Su an final doneminde oldugumuz icin 10 >> gun sonra >> ITU MBK olarak varolan gucumuzle GUADEC 2008 icin calisacagiz. > > Sevgili Baris'lar yer teklifimizi SDKM olarak verelim ancak bir yandan ne > olur ne olmaz alternatiflere de bakalim. Yine ITU icinde Taksim Meydani'na > 5-10 dk uzakliktaki ITU Mimarlik Fakultesini de bir dusunelim derim. > Gelecek misafirlerin cogunun Taksim civarinda konaklayacagini da > dusunursek cok kotu bir fikir gibi gelmiyor bana. Mimarlik fakultesi salon kapasitesi olarak oldukca iyi fakat teknolojik yetersizlikleri var. Onlarin ustesinden gelmek zor olabilir fakat hem ortabahcesinin sosyal aktivitelerde kullanilabilmesi hem de taksimdeki onlarca eglence mekanina cok yakin olmasi da var. Tabi bu da insanlari orda tutmamizi zorlastirabilir:) Ben yine de SDKM derim buna ek olarak Paralel oturumlar icin hemen yakindaki KSB Oditoryum u da kullanmak mumkun. > SDKM hacim olarak buyuk ama GUADEC gibi ayni anda 4-5 salonun > gerekebilecegi bir etkinlik icin kucuk kalabilir. WorkShop odalari fena > degil ancak bu konuyla ilgili bir araya geldigimizde yine bir kez daha > gorusup, dusunelim derim. Finallerden yani 1 Hazirandan sonra biraraya gelip detaylara inmek gerekiyor bence de. Ayrica Umit e katiliyorum, her zaman bir B planina ihtiyacimiz olcak hicbir sorunla karsilasmamak icin. >> Emegi gecen herkese tesekkurler > > Herkesin eline saglik. Kolay gelsin. > Tesekkurler, gorusmek uzere. ---------------------------------------------------------------- This message was sent using IMP, the Internet Messaging Program. From bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Tue May 22 09:13:49 2007 Return-Path: X-Original-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Delivered-To: gnome-turk@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068AD3B0165 for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:13:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Score: -2.044 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.044 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.555, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2887 hrs), (distance 18, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [160.75.2.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 22bNZx-jGGus for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:13:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail1.itu.edu.tr (mail1.itu.edu.tr [160.75.2.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 163BA3B013E for ; Tue, 22 May 2007 09:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [160.75.100.15]) by mail1.itu.edu.tr with ESMTP id l4MDC1BJ018583 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Tue, 22 May 2007 16:12:01 +0300 Received: from hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr [127.0.0.1]) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id l4MDC0Pp001695; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:12:00 +0300 Received: from localhost (bozkiru@localhost) by hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11/Submit) with ESMTP id l4MDC0xs001691; Tue, 22 May 2007 16:12:00 +0300 X-Authentication-Warning: hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr: bozkiru owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 16:12:00 +0300 (EEST) From: Umit Bozkir X-X-Sender: bozkiru@hyperion.labs.itu.edu.tr To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi In-Reply-To: <20070522102247.hfq5tfb20qqyog44@webmail.itu.edu.tr> Message-ID: References: <1179776738.6780.106.camel@localhost.localdomain> <230c2c100705211256m6a3e1771m7c02a2ae9dc7ab3@mail.gmail.com> <20070521230312.qk3g9ldma3w4g44c@webmail.itu.edu.tr> <20070522102247.hfq5tfb20qqyog44@webmail.itu.edu.tr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-ITU-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-ITU-MailScanner-SpamCheck: not spam, SpamAssassin (not cached, score=-1.44, required 5, autolearn=disabled, ALL_TRUSTED -1.44) X-ITU-MailScanner-From: bozkiru@itu.edu.tr Cc: snmzktnc Subject: Re: [GNOME-TR] GUADEC Istanbul Teklifi Son Hali X-BeenThere: gnome-turk@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Id: Gnome Turkiye Listesi List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 22 May 2007 13:13:49 -0000 On Tue, 22 May 2007, ketencis@itu.edu.tr wrote: > Finallerden yani 1 Hazirandan sonra biraraya gelip detaylara inmek gerekiyor > bence de. Ayrica Umit e katiliyorum, her zaman bir B planina ihtiyacimiz > olcak > hicbir sorunla karsilasmamak icin. O zaman Istanbul'da 2. kez daha toplanalim. Hem alternatifleri gormus ve konusmus oluruz. Kimler katilabilir boyle bir toplantiya? Ilk once ITU SDKM'de bulusur mekani goruruz. Ardindan gerekirse diger yerlere bakariz.