From bsimmons@ubtanet.com Thu Feb 28 20:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sage.ubtanet.com (sage.ubtanet.com [216.190.152.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39051180F0 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from simlap (wl11.ubtanet.com [216.198.98.11]) by sage.ubtanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA23797 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:23:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Brent Simmons" To: Subject: Installing on laptop Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. Whenever I start the GUI it fails and says no monitor found. Where do I edit the video card/monitor settings for Gnome? Thanks, Brent ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop.  Whenever I start the GUI it = fails and says no monitor found.  Where do I = edit the video card/monitor settings for Gnome?

 

Thanks,

 

Brent

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0-- From SJPWongbulk@bigpond.com Fri Mar 1 00:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C31C183CE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: From localhost.localdomain ([129.94.15.52] == max515052.servers.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) By tone With Smtp ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:24:39 +1100 From: Simon Wong To: Gnome List Date: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:18 +1100 Subject: Re: Installing on laptop In-Reply-To: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> References: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1014960250.3256.33.camel@lonewolf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:05, Brent Simmons wrote: > Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. Whenever I > start the GUI it fails and says no monitor found. Where do I edit the > video card/monitor settings for Gnome? They are actually X settings so in an xterm run Xconfigurator(?) as root and see if that helps. Otherwise you may have to edit the XF86Config-4 file directly. -- ************** * Simon Wong * ************** From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE0A19A35 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:08 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:08.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[8364ED40:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: geoffrey [mailto:geoffrey@ticom.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 15:38, Staven Bruce wrote: > > Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for > > everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a > > lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, > > we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come > > up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our > > servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! >Okay, these are servers we are talking about. Why are they running X and >a wm/Desktop Environment anyway? Servers need only a console - >especially if you plan to expose them to the Internet! Reason for not >using KDE (or GNOME for that matter) on your **servers**: they shouldn't >be running a gui in the first place!! Now, running the ltsp setup is a >different matter altogether. > >geoffrey >-- >No .sig If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. Thoughts? _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:25:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A6F19CC5 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:48 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA96A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:48.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4D3A20:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks for this Adam! - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District voice. (559) 230-6049 fax. (559) 221-4270 e-mail. staven.bruce@valleyair.org -----Original Message----- From: Adam Williams6 [mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:51 PM To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info >Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for >everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a >lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, >we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come >up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our >servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! 1. By default all of the Redhat really-slick-tools are available from Nautilus in GNOME 2. In my experience KDE has lots of problems in multi-user enviroments and experiences strange lock ups. Of course, on the server console you only have one user, but it is troubling none the less. 3. GNOME (IMHO) is simply more future focused. Yes, CORBA, Bonobo, GNOME-db, etc... have taken a l-o-n-g time to mature, but I think in GNOME 2 these things will really start to take off. CORBA based admin tools and such can theortetically at least make admining multiple servers alot easier. And imagine being able to write script that harness the power of things like Gnumeric and so periodically e-mail you a nice graph of system performance. 4. You can load lots of scripts into Nautilus so M$-weenie admins can do things like grep logs with a right-click. You'll never get these guys to actually learn how something works. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Ximian GNOME, Evolution, LTSP, and RedHat Linux + LVM & XFS ----------------------------------------------------------- From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 12:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA2918951 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id MAA39475 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 205 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gr8Y-0003kC-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:46:45 up 2 days, 17:09, 1 user, load average: 0.73, 0.68, 0.79 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? If so, how? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From bordoley@msu.edu Fri Mar 1 13:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96798184CC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020301182012.GRNN2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:20:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: David Bordoley To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 13:20:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. dave On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:48, stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 14:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B31181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21Jfxp01447; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:41:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: RE: GNOME info From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 11:41:58 -0800 Message-Id: <1015011718.1393.5.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think the GUI itself is unnecessary on a server, but (as I think someone already mentioned) some of the X/Gnome apps can be really handy. I must admit that I am not using gedit anymore though. I put nedit on the server - the context highlighting is really handy when I'm trying to tweak a CGI script. (Please don't try to sell me on gvim) ;-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 15:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC126181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id OAA93650 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 307 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gtD8-0004Lv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:00:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:57 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 14:49:36 up 2 days, 19:12, 1 user, load average: 1.26, 0.47, 0.33 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file browswer, right) enter inot this picture. Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 15:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA7F18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gtKc-0007Nz-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:08:42 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: RE: GNOME info] From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 20:54:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1015012487.6193.6.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Forwarded Message----- From: Frank Rehberger To: Staven Bruce Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: 01 Mar 2002 17:30:03 +0100 On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 16:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as > I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. > Thoughts? how about remote admin tools like http://www.webmin.com they only need a tiny webserver, per machine, nothing else. As much as I know webmin is quite popular. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Fri Mar 1 15:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us (sip-11a.usol.com [63.64.148.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200B18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from amavis by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with scanned-ok (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3k-0005G2-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:16 -0500 Received: from smiddle.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us ([192.168.6.76]) by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3j-0005Fr-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 15:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1015013384.22671.7.camel@smiddle> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 15:00, stan wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > > > > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. > > Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? It's just like in Windows, how Explorer draws the icons/background on your desktop. Nautilus is needed to handle the icons, and for technical reasons, it has to handle the background as well (in order to properly draw the icons on it). As for the interactions, its fairly simple. X Windows handles the actual hardware interface - it does the actual drawing and keyboard/mouse input. The Windows Manager (Sawfish) draws the window borders and placement of windows and the virtual desktops (which are more or less just collections of windows). The desktop manager (Nautilus) handles the background and icons, along with your basic file management. Everything else you see is generally just a different application designed for a particular purpose (panels, etc.) Sean Etc. > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From geoffrey@ticom.com Fri Mar 1 15:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E72183FC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (host214-148.discord.birch.net [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4C758E002; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D51A0010; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: GNOME info From: geoffrey To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 Message-Id: <1015014443.26994.7.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 09:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which,= at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are y= ou > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, = as > I find it an intersting alternative, Yes. I am suggesting having no X Windows on the servers at all, just a terminal console. It takes less overhead resources this way, and doesn't open you up to remote Xsession attacks either. Yes, I know X can be told "-nolisten tcp", but that's just a bandaid. > however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lo= st. > Thoughts? Well, the suggestion of webmin was a pretty good one for that situation. Not to be difficult, but can't MCSEs learn something new and useful once in a while? Must everything be "point, click, and drool"?! Just whining because I've heard too many NT admins complain that *NIX it too hard to learn. Didn't any of your NT admins every use DOS? tell them it's just like DOS, but more powerful! Enough power to shoot off your foot or bulk porno emails. geoffrey --=20 no .sig --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8f+Qrsye+UmmwPgQRAiB9AKDkBTvuRPDiKT62TPnxQC4ZQpL08QCdEDUp ESrR8mbPEjXh6UN2fQQsZWo= =0a/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 16:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459AB18A2C for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gun1-0002G0-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:42:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 22:28:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1015018092.6579.1.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 21:00, stan wrote: > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. For orientation this dependency graph of Gnome-2.0 might help http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/notes/depends.png Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 1 17:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD73180F2 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.64.144.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([209.244.64.144] helo=pegasus) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16gvdn-0004M0-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:36:39 -0800 Message-ID: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> From: "Bob Giesen" To: , "Christian Seberino" References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:36:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I put X 4.2 on my Slackware and it seemed to get X working. > > I don't know if that is the reason why gdm and kdm > ALWAYS load twm no matter what I choose from menu!!! > I chose GNOME lots of times and I always get twm!!! > > There is no .xsession, .xinitrc or any other .x* files > in my home directory except .Xauthority. > > STARTX **CAN** load GNOME FINE!!!! > > Please tell me how to debug gdm/kdm so that I can > use them instead of doing startx all the time. I don't use Linux, kdm, or gdm, but I have a hunch you might want to investigate if you haven't yet found the solution. I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the problem in the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed wm's worked. Btw, I also had to edit the wdm-config file, in the same directory, so that it properly reflected the window managers that I actually have installed on my machine. (These, in wdm-config, are the values that wdm uses for the selection-list that it presents in the login window.) Perhaps kdm and/or gdm has a similar config scheme... Hth... Bob From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 17:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2A180D7 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21MjGS02870; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 Message-Id: <1015022716.2525.8.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, > which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the > problem in the file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for > most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code > that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't > found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed > wm's worked. On RedHat systems these are in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. On Slack it may be different, but I bet if you search for gdm/Sessions you'll find it. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From tarozax404@earthlink.net Sun Mar 3 17:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E47193E5 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-239-207-84.oak.jps.net ([209.239.207.84] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16heat-0007VG-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3C823400.5060906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:32:32 -0800 From: Taro Fukunaga User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020219 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm and ssh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: After I set up sshd, I can't type anyting in gdm's greeter. My touchpad mouse works howerver. Here are my settings: 1) In /etc/rc.conf I set sshd=YES 2) In /etc/sshd.conf I set X11Forwarding Yes On startup I have verified that public and private keys were generated and placed in /etc. I am running gdm 2.2.0 in NetBSD 1.5.2 with XFree86 4.2.0 If anyone has any suggestions I would like to know. Taro From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 05:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99518327 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24ASLe08973 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:58:21 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG2DP00.OT3 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:57:25 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:05:31 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Clarification reqd on Panel menu customization thru Nautilus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Can any one make me clear, the way how nautilus helps in customizing the Panel menu(gnome 2.0). when trying to customize the panel menu by using Nautilus thru "Edit menus" option, i am able to add a new Menu item but not able to add any functionality to the same. Nautilus is neither allowing me to map the excutable nor edit the name of the added item. In what way it reads the .desktop files and pops up the menu awaiting responses -- Mayurnath Puli From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 06:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334D51928F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24BJ7e19235 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:49:07 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG4Q900.AU6 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:48:09 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:56:15 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi , Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. thanks and regards, -- Mayurnath Puli From jeeva_o_s@yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 14:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD1DD18119 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020304192033.60794.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.80.234.75] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:20:33 PST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeeva Chelladhurai Subject: right click not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I downloaded gnome 1.4 (unsupported version) for solaris intel from sun.com. Right click on the panel does nothing. Did anybody faced this problem before. How to do I get the right click working? Thanks in advance Jeeva. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From psaravanan@7hillsys.com Mon Mar 4 16:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net (unknown [64.14.239.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B20185FB for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net.pugmarks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g24Kf7G08822 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:41:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Saravanan Organization: Intellisys Technology LLC X-Originating-Ip: 64.13.176.2 X-Note: Latest version at http://EmuMail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Saravanan Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:41:07 GMT X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen X-Webmail-User: psaravanan@7hillsys.com Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. Regards Saravanan Palanichami --------------------------------------------------------- This message sent using EMUmail -- http://www.emumail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use MollyMail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 4 17:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4C18EC0 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g24MHo031983; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Saravanan Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen References: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 04 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Saravanan writes: > I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login > dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application > that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application > executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never > be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. > Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see > anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the > mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But > unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or > keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen > saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. > I think you want to use "xset" or edit your XF86Config. See "man xset" and "man XF86Config" and look at stuff related to "blank" or "screen blanking" or "DPMS" or "screensaver" Havoc From mike@vee.net Mon Mar 4 18:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from carme.recalldesign.com (carme.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.5]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D6E1930A for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from io.internal.recalldesign.com (mail.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.150]) by carme.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NB7e48676 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Received: from vee.net (polarlander.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.252]) by io.internal.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NNGo61674 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Message-ID: <3C8401E4.7050105@vee.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 From: Michael Gratton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020304 X-Accept-Language: en-au, en-gb, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: annoying Favourites menu "feature" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi there, I recently upgraded my Debian machines and Gnome was upgraded along the way - I'm now running gnome-panel 1.4.0.6. After doing so, I noticed the Favourites menu had gained a submenu: "Add from menu". I find this new menu *massively* annoynig - I use the Favourites menu for quick access to frequently used apps, and having the "Add from menu" item up the top a) breaks my muscle memory and b) takes a *long* time to load when the icons and menu structure has been paged out or freed. Is this the standard Gnome 1.4 behaviour, or is this a Debian thing? If it is standard for Gnome, is there any way to turn off this submenu, or at least move it down to the bottom so it's out of the way? Thanks, Mike. -- Mike Gratton , Leader in leachate production and transmission since 1976. From pauljohn@ku.edu Mon Mar 4 23:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF5185F7 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ku.edu (dv42m76.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.76.210]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2547ov08846; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3C8443DA.3090503@ku.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:04:42 -0600 From: Paul Johnson Reply-To: pauljohn@ku.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Random background images? How? References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030501010700020003050400" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Gnome/Sawfish is the limited because you can't assign different images to different workspaces. I also think nautilus is bad because it forces you to let it control your background if you want icons. How cruel. I use the Window Maker window manager, and it allows me what I want. The wmsetbg program in WindowMaker sets backgrounds, either for the default window or for specific workspaces. I have a script that randomly changes backgrounds, it is written in perl, and I've attached it for you. I call that script in a shell script: #!/bin/sh export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 2 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/sea /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 3 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/beach -D is the display. Most systems only have display 0.0, but mine has 1.0 as well. You probably should put 0.0 there. if you don't add a -w flag, it changes the background of the root workspaces. That is the default background, the one that shows on all workspaces unless you say otherwise. If you add a -w flag, it changes that background only. -d is the flag you use to tell it where your pictures are. It searches throughout that directory structure. If you want this to change on a schedule, use a cron job. I do, it is fine. stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn@ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground" #!/usr/bin/perl use File::Find; #to get all files under mainDir use Getopt::Std; # command line processing getopts("w:d:D:")|| die "Invalid argument\n"; if ($opt_w =~ /\D/) { die "w is not a digit";} @images = (); if ($opt_D) { $DIS = $opt_D; } else{ # $DIS = ":0.0" $DIS = $DISPLAY } if ( $opt_w ) { $workspace = $opt_w-1; } sub process_file{ $filename = $File::Find::name; if ( -f $filename ){ push(@images, $filename); } } if ( $opt_d ) { $basedir = $opt_d; } else{ $basedir = "$ENV{HOME}/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds"; } find(\&process_file, $basedir); srand; $index=int(rand(@images)); if ($opt_w){ print "\n On disply '$DIS' workspace $opt_w, the background image is now @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u','-w',"$workspace",' ', $images[$index]; } else{ print "\n On display $DIS, The background image of the root window is @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u',' ', $images[$index]; } --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground-README" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground-README" pjbackgrounds-README Paul Johnson Aug.27, 2000 I am a Gnome user, but vigorously resist the pressure to use Sawfish. One reason is the pleasant workspace picture capability of Window Maker and wmsetbg. Yesterday I worked on a perl script which can change the background, either for the default window or a particular workspace, and it will randomly select an image from a specified directory, OR ANY OF ITS SUBDIRECTORIES. If no directory is specified, it is taken from ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. I am modestly calling the perl program "pjbackground" and I've put it in my web site http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/WindowManagers. There is pjbackground, a readme file, and there is a file called pjbackground-shell that you can call from cron to automate this. Use it like this: 1. with no command line options: changes root window background to a picture anywhere in ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. $ pjbackground You should see output like so: The background image of the root window is /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdc99_0659_yosemite_ss.jpg 2. specify the workspace, use the default image directory. (note, I'm using the workspace number on the clip, not the internal workspace number, which is one smaller). $ pjbackground -w4 On workspace 4, the background image is now /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdcss_089_snow_leopard.jpg 3. Specify a root image directory and it will choose a random one for you: $ pjbackground -w4 -d /usr/local/share/Backgrounds Here is /usr/local/share/Backgrounds/canyon.jpg When I tried to run this program under cron, I ran into environment problems, and learned that cron runs without much environment. So instead of scheduling pjbackground directly, I schedule a shell script "pjbackground-shell" and it gets the job done. I just added this entry with "crontab -e" 0 * * * * /home/pauljohn/bin/pjbackground-shell to change the picture at the top of the hour in, for example, workspace 4. --------------030501010700020003050400-- From snickell@stanford.edu Tue Mar 5 06:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED51F19083 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (beauty.Stanford.EDU [128.12.60.110]) by smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25B3NH22687; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:03:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 From: Seth Nickell To: Mayurnath Puli Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Mar 2002 02:58:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1015325906.32182.31.camel@beauty> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 03:26, Mayurnath Puli wrote: > Hi , > Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no > favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really > helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the > same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like > "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. > > So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop > this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. The plan is to allow the user to edit the main menus through Nautilus. The vfolder menus should allow this, but they are somewhat buggy right now and still need to be fully worked out. -Seth From calum.benson@sun.com Tue Mar 5 09:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBDC1932A; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29554; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g25E3lu06491; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:03:48 GMT Message-ID: <3C84D043.8ED749@sun.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:03:47 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hig@gnome.org Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [HIG] Exit confirmation References: <1075.192.168.1.9.1014779907.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <2jsp7u4efshn36jpg8khm9pmfmt6hcbaik@4ax.com> <1014860959.22741.21.camel@beauty> <20020228202957.GA11114@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> <1014937129.7308.12.camel@beauty> <20020228232811.GA1204@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Tommi Komulainen wrote: > Now, as I see it, the idea with the exit confirmation dialog is that the > user has the last chance to avoid losing his work or data, which in this > case means his best game of tetris ever. But if there is no data to be > lost, is there any reason to ask for confirmation? If not, should the > guidelines recommend against such confirmations? Yes, I think that would be a good guideline to include. It would be helpful if you could file a bug against the HIG so we don't forget it. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Tue Mar 5 10:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3013182D0 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.131.145]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSI007DEAWL6Z@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:26:46 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:51:02 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: How to new a GnomeCanvasBpath object? 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--Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg)-- From dtuchler@earthlink.net Tue Mar 5 14:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from svc.slu.edu (ps-fax.slu.edu [165.134.36.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119A918A84 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [165.134.23.100] by SLU.EDU (PMDF V6.0-025 #38756) with ESMTP id <01KF04HAITA495NB4G@SLU.EDU> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:27:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:30:55 -0600 From: Dennis Tuchler Subject: Spell Checking To: Gnome List Message-id: <1015356655.871.8.camel@linux> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have gnome spell installed and it seems to work. It underlines misspelled words, but it does not provide alternatives nor does it allow me to add to the database. Question: How do I get alternative spellings from the application, and how do I add words to the spell checker? thanks dj tuchler From roddy@visual-ra.swmed.edu Tue Mar 5 16:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from visual-ra.swmed.edu (visual-ra.swmed.edu [129.112.25.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D611883E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from visual-ra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by visual-ra.swmed.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA08156 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:45:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: nautilus crashing Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:45:34 -0600 From: Roddy McColl Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The nautilus shell has suddenly started crashing on my system i.e. /usr/bin/nautilus. I am running RedHat 7.2. The version of nautilus is the one that came with 7.2 i.e 1.0.4-43. Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version of the binary and hope it works. TIA -roddy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Roddy McColl PhD roddy@mri.swmed.edu UT Southwestern (214) 648-2910 http://www-mri.swmed.edu/homes/roddy.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lauris@ximian.com Tue Mar 5 17:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B3019685 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (80-235-62-82-dsl.trt.estpak.ee [80.235.62.82]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76FD6EC52; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:10:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: Unable to compile gnome-print-0.34 From: Lauris Kaplinski To: Elardus Viljoen Cc: Gnome List In-Reply-To: <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> References: <3C7C8F2F.C9D19902@obsidianlabs.com> <1014808091.15000.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 06 Mar 2002 00:03:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1015365823.14674.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! Sorry, I was forced offline for some time... On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 08:07, Elardus Viljoen wrote: > I compiled freetype 2.0.7 with prefix set to /usr. The same prefix is > used when compiling gnome-print. > > libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so Hmmm... it is probably installed by XFree, but bad things can really happen, if different FT versions will be mixed. Although I think the XFree one will be not linked to build normally (but not sure...) Also your error happens in compiling, not linking/running phase, so the guilty party should be freetype-config, that does not set up correct include paths... > Hmmm ... the last line bugs me. On other workstations at work only the > first two libs are found... > > > What does > > > > freetype-config --cflags > > /usr/bin/freetype-config: line 104: syntax error: unexpected end of > file Hmmm... Now that is weird. > Should I attach the file in question (about 2K) on my next email? freetype-config? You can do that, although I am not expert neither in freetype nor shell/perl stuff. You can also check, whether you have different freetype-configs lying around (maybe from prev install). Also, what does it do without arguments? Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski > > > Hi! > > > > > > When compiling gnome-print-0.34 the following occurs: > > > > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > > > > usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 > > > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > > > -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\""/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/"\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\""/usr/lib"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\""/usr/share/locale"\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/bin"\" > > > -DDATADIR=\""/usr/share"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\""/usr/share/gnome/fonts"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\""/usr/etc/gnome/fonts"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -Wall -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c > > > rm -f .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../intl -I../intl -I/usr/include > > > -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 > > > -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\"/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -DBINDIR=\"/usr/bin\" > > > -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share\" -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\"/usr/share/gnome/fonts\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\"/usr/etc/gnome/fonts\" -s -O2 -march=i686 -Wall > > > -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > In file included from gnome-print-ps2.c:51: > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: parse error before `FT_Face' > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: warning: no semicolon at end > > > of struct or union > > > make[2]: *** [gnome-print-ps2.lo] Error 1 > > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34/libgnomeprint' > > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34' > > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > > > > > I get the same result when compiling both 0.35 and 0.32. > > -- > Regards. > Elardus > elardus@obsidianlabs.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 5 21:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F6618165 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g262d3v21832; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Roddy McColl Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: nautilus crashing References: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 05 Mar 2002 21:39:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Roddy McColl writes: > Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have > no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic > error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version > of the binary and hope it works. There are some experimental binaries at ftp://people.redhat.com/hp/gnomehide/ that may or may not help. Another thing to try is to get the Nautilus with debug symbols at http://people.redhat.com/hp/test-packages, install that, and then try running Nautilus in gdb. Just do "gdb nautilus" and type "backtrace" after the crash etc. You probably want to be sure Nautilus isn't in your session before fooling with gdb; open session-properties select Nautilus and click Remove. Havoc From Keelin.Boyle@Sun.COM Wed Mar 6 05:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC346180D9 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28938 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr-edub03-03 (sr-edub03-03 [129.156.237.102]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g26AxXu11242 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 GMT Message-Id: <200203061059.g26AxXu11242@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Keelin Boyle Reply-To: Keelin Boyle Subject: applet settings To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: dfp2m4sJ0IlHh2ljZuVnfQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm running Gnome-2.0 on Solaris and think I might be missing some settings for applets that need internet access like gweather, gnome-dictionary and stock ticker?. Currently can't get any to work, anyone any clues? cheers Keelin. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Wed Mar 6 16:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309AC182EF; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020306212639.PZLN355.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:39 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 06 Mar 2002 22:25:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1015449963.4814.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal 2. New GNOME Software Map 3. Evolution in the spotlight 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review 6. New Garnome out 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out 8. GUADEC registration online 9. Multimedia and Unix 10. Debugging with ORBit2 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore 12. Bug Day Reminder 13. Gman back from down under 14. Translated GNOME summaries 15. Hacker Activity 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity 17. New and Updated Software ============================================================== 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal -------------------------------------------------------------- The big news of last week was the deal between Sun, Ximian and Wipro to further accelerate GNOME development. This deal brings in a lot of new fulltime developers to GNOME working for WIPRO in India. Those who have followed GNOME development lists have probably seen the growing precense of WIPRO engineers there over the last couple of months. A huge thanks to SUN who is behind this deal. http://www.ximian.com/about_us/press_center/press_releases/sun_gnome2.html ============================================================== 2. New GNOME Software Map -------------------------------------------------------------- As many of you have been aware of the GNOME Software map have been in dire need of an upgrade for some time. Lack of administrative functions have lead to tons of duplicate registrations and trying to search for software by category has been a pain. Well we have a new software map in place now based on the Sourceforge map. This means that the entries in the software map will be much more informative and finding the software you want much easier. There is also a new Mini-Description field for each project, this is the field that will be used in the GNOME Summaries from now on. When writing in a Mini-Description for your project remember that information like that it is for GNOME or repeating the application name is redundant. If you are a project developer and for some reason has not gotten an account for your project, mail the webmaster@gnome.org and we will try and help you out. A huge thanks to Steve Fox for making this. http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ ============================================================== 3. Evolution in the spotlight -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxword had a couple of articles on Ximian and Evolution. The first article focus on Ximian as a company and discuss their strategies for getting more people onto the Linux desktop. The second article by Joe Barr is about his switch from Sylpheed to Evolution. http://www.linuxworld.com/ic_821913_6995_1-3134.html http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0222.evolution.html ============================================================== 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review -------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Valliere has done a review comparing the current browsers available on Linux. And it comes as no big suprise that Galeon once again is choosen as the favourite browser. Another feather in the hat for the Galeon team. http://www.robval.com/linux/2002/browsers.html ============================================================== 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxplanet has a review comparing current spreadsheets for Linux. Our own favourite Gnumeric gets very favourable remarks and comes in second only beaten by OpenCalc. With the GNOME 2 port of Gnumeric well underway I guess there is a good chance for the top spot the next time around. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4078/3/ ============================================================== 6. New Garnome out -------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Waugh's popular Garnome scripts had a new release this week. For those not familiar with Garnome it is a set of scripts that downloads and builds all of GNOME2 for you. This means Garnome is the easiest way to tesst the GNOME 2 betas. http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ ============================================================== 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out -------------------------------------------------------------- The activity on the multimedia front these days is simply amazing. New projects seems to be popping up daily to make sure we have the widest and best range of multimedia applications possible. Isak Savo made a new release of GNOME Subtitle editor this week. It is an application which let you edit or add subtitles to your divx movies. It is currently based on GNOME 1.x but a GNOME 2 port is planned in the near future. http://gsubedit.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 8. GUADEC registration online -------------------------------------------------------------- The GUADEC registration form is now online; please register as soon as you can. This form also allows you to apply for sponsorship if you need financial assistance to attend. Also for those who has not made travel arrangements yet you better get moving. Finding free hotel rooms and flights is already getting hard. http://www.guadec.org/submit/register.php ============================================================== 9. Multimedia and Unix -------------------------------------------------------------- I made two articles available last week on the topic of Multimedia on the Unix plattform. The first article is an attempt at summarising some of the core challenges we face in making Linux and Unix top knotch plattforms for doing serious multimedia development. The second article is by Chris Pirazzi and tells of some of the experiences that Chris made in regards to making Video libraries when at SGI. http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=215 http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=216 ============================================================== 10. Debugging with ORBit2 -------------------------------------------------------------- After I posted the link to the article discussing debugging CORBA applcations using Ethereal in the previous summary, Mark McLoughlin one of our brilliant ORBit developers contacted me to say that this is not needed when using ORBit2. ORBit2 contains functionality itself to do the same. For more info check out the 'how do I enable ORB debugging' entry in the ORBit2 FAQ. http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=ORBit2/docs/FAQ&rev=&root=/cvs/gno me ============================================================== 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore -------------------------------------------------------------- One of the nice features of the Nautilus filemanager is the support for scripting. If you are missing some functionality it is often not more than a couple of script lines away. To make things even easier a site has been set up to collect and distribute some of the nice Nautilus scripts already made. Check it out to find the script that changes your life. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~smueller/Nautilus-Scripts/ ============================================================== 12. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). If you don't like buggy software you really should come here and help out. ============================================================== 13. Gman back from down under -------------------------------------------------------------- To the great relief of the GNOME community Gman returned from his vacation to the land down under this week. Gman who has given Guinness beer a face in the GNOME community is reported to be boiling over with energy after his vacation. The Summary desk got a report in that Gman has said that he will outcode everyone else during the next month in preparation for GUADEC. If he fails he will pay for the beer of everyone who has more CVS commits than him during GUADEC. We where not able to reach Gman to get this confirmed before the Summary deadline. ============================================================== 14. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 15. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 122 gtk+ 121 gnucash 120 gnumeric 115 gnome-applets 75 evolution 71 galeon 70 nautilus 70 gimp 55 gnome-utils 53 gtkmm-root 43 pan 41 gnome-panel 40 gnome-media 35 profterm 34 glib 30 gnome-control-center 30 yelp 29 SashXB 28 gnome-i18n 28 gtranslator [138 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 158 pablo 106 minmax 80 owen 72 peticolas (gnucash) 68 chyla 56 stano 53 darin 48 menthos 48 jody 44 warlord (gnucash) 40 murrayc 39 olau 38 sebol 35 neo 35 kabalak 35 mortenw 34 hp 32 mmclouglin 32 rodrigo 30 chrisime [143 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6626 (In the last week: New: +900 Resolved: -807) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1225 (In the last week: New: +84 Resolved: -111) gnome-core: 439 (In the last week: New: +73 Resolved: -76) gtk+: 338 (In the last week: New: +69 Resolved: -83) gnome-vfs: 238 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -2) gnome-applets: 229 (In the last week: New: +31 Resolved: -42) gnome-pilot: 186 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -12) sawfish: 168 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -6) galeon: 156 (In the last week: New: +138 Resolved: -127) GIMP: 142 (In the last week: New: +37 Resolved: -4) gmc: 132 (In the last week: New: +10 Resolved: -0) gphoto: 129 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -0) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: +0 Resolved: -0) control-center: 110 (In the last week: New: +36 Resolved: -15) gnome-pim: 109 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -25) balsa: 95 (In the last week: New: +23 Resolved: -29) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: yaneti@declera.com: 96 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 75 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 73 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 60 bugs closed. clambin@easynet.be: 44 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 37 bugs closed. darin@bentspoon.com: 37 bugs closed. pawsa@theochem.kth.se: 29 bugs closed. cbiesinger@web.de: 24 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 21 bugs closed. jaka@gnu.org: 20 bugs closed. michael@technologyreview.org: 19 bugs closed. charles@rebelbase.com: 17 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 17 bugs closed. snickell@stanford.edu: 17 bugs closed. ============================================================== 17. New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- Wildcard - Program for renaming files. Balsa - Powerfull Email client gxsm - Graphical interface for 2D/3D data visualisation and aquisitation Nova - Free Integrated Observational Environment Gnewspost - Frontend to newspost the NTTP binary newsposter. BEAST/BSE - framework for all sorts of music composition, sequencing and synthesis tasks. conc - Conc is a serial console concentrator package. gmmusic - A music collection database File Roller - An archive manager gtktalog - Easily browse a CDROM database. Guikachu - for graphical editing of resource files for PalmOS-based gnome-db - Database access for GNOME applications Encompass - A lightweight Web Browser using GtkHTML. glade-- - Backend for glade to create C++ sources. gtranslator - Comfortable po file editor GNOME Subtitle Editor - For edititing/manipulating and converting DivX subtitles. linphone - Web-phone. It lets you make two-party phone calls. gcompris - A simple education game. gnome-crystal - Light model visualizer for crystal structures. David - C and C++ code editor GnomeMeeting - Video conferencing software gnome-vfs - Virtual File system gtkmm2 - C++ interface to GTK+ 2.0 polyXmass - Define brand new GTablature - Tablatures (guitar partitions) editor and player GnoSens - Simple HW monitor for gnome panel Sound Monitor applet - A panel applet that shows a vu meter, scope, or a spectrum analyzer Gtkdial - Frontend to the wvdial intelligent PPP dialer Gnotide - Gnotide is a tidal analysis software. For more information on these packages visit the GNOME Software map: http://www.gnome.org/applist/listrecent.php3 Another great week with lots of stuff happening. But next week will be even grander with a new GNOME beta and a new GStreamer release, so stay tuned. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From philippe.defert@cern.ch Thu Mar 7 03:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.cern.ch (smtp3.cern.ch [137.138.131.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B6180E9 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gnuisance.cern.ch (IDENT:defert@gnuisance.cern.ch [137.138.33.85]) by smtp3.cern.ch (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g278g2Ul003029; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:42:02 +0100 (MET) Subject: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Philippe DEFERT To: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 09:42:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at startup. Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? Thanks for your help. Amicalement. Philippe From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 7 04:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20766186CF for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020307090749.XUXH24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:07:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Hongli Lai To: Philippe DEFERT Cc: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> References: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 10:08:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1015492124.1257.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 09:42, Philippe DEFERT wrote: > > I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome > libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of > mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on > Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at > startup. > > Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for > the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with > gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? > > Thanks for your help. > Amicalement. > Philippe > Try install Galeon 1.1.x. It provides a Nautilus viewer component, so you can use Galeon in Nautilus instead of that crappy Mozilla view. :-) From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Thu Mar 7 04:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324818160 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16iu5x-0003Kr-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: keyboard no work when start gdm automatically (non-automatic ok...) Message-ID: <20020307012153.A12822@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Linux on VMWARE on Windoze can run GNOME.... If I start gdm after I login myself then all is fine. If I add gdm to rc.local so done automatically then keyboard doesn't print characters in gdm when I try to type username and passwd. Why gdm autostart doesn't read keyboard anymore? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From bordoley@pilot.msu.edu Thu Mar 7 12:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (pilot22.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B8E18322 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bordoley@localhost) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id g27H6bH31532 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200203071706.g27H6bH31532@pilot22.cl.msu.edu> Subject: gnome 1.41, where is it? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: "David Adam Bordoley" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anyone know when 1.41 will be released. It would be nice to get this out, as it looks like gnome2 is going to be delayed a bit. dave From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Thu Mar 7 13:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC8218FF7 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g27IU9GN004819 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:30:07 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010008070408000002010303" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010008070408000002010303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pawel Salek wrote: > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). 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(5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:03:22.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[83CD6FE0:01C1C61B] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop icons. I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from happening again ?] Thanks, Staven - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 7 16:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579F1989B for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g27L98t09975; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 07 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: >=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious circular-dependency reasons. =20 Havoc From erik@bagfors.nu Thu Mar 7 16:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from detrius.engohol.se (h107n2fls32o808.telia.com [213.67.249.107]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B6E18549 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by detrius.engohol.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B86B1BD8; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E5gfors?= To: Havoc Pennington Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 07 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1015535832.5545.26.camel@detrius> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 22:09, Havoc Pennington wrote: >=20 > R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: > >=20 > > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > > Why it has been abandonned ? > > >=20 > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious > circular-dependency reasons. > =20 So.. will it be used in gnome2? /Erik --=20 Erik B=E5gfors | erik@bagfors.nu Supporter of free software | GSM +46 733 279 273 fingerprint: 6666 A85B 95D3 D26B 296B 6C60 4F32 2C0B 693D 6E32 From michaelv@cox-internet.com Thu Mar 7 18:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from europa.cox-internet.com (europa-cox.cox-internet.com [208.180.118.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131E918253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdm-208-134-146 ([208.180.134.146]) by europa.cox-internet.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 180e1de7f543f89455b24e508f9cca39) with ESMTP id <20020307230916.VERZ4641.europa@cdm-208-134-146>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Michael Vanderford To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 07 Mar 2002 17:11:35 -0600 Message-Id: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: Pawel Salek wrote: =20 > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support=20 > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely=20 > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the=20 > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have an= y=20 > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list =20 The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location= =20 menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). Why it has been abandonned ? =20 --=20 -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- =20 =20 I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need for it not to be. Not the other way around. IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for GNOME is less than desirable. _______________________ Michael Vanderford email: michaelv@cox-internet.com web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv _______________________ --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, Rémi Cohen-Scali wrote: 
Pawel Salek wrote:

>
> On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
>
>> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector
>> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in 
>> 1.3.15, why is that?
>> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till
>> now
>> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but
>> produtive and user friendly
>
>
> I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present 
> GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support 
> and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely 
> productive.
>
> The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the 
> filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any 
> "user friendly" ideas.
>
> -pawel
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> gnome-devel-list mailing list
> gnome-devel-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list

The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location 
menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO).
Why it has been abandonned ?

-- 
                                                          -o)
                   Remi Cohen-Scali                       /\\
<Remi@Cohen-Scali.com>          <rcoscali@rcsnet.net>    _\_v
                                                         ----
I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need
for it not to be. Not the other way around.
IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for
GNOME is less than desirable.
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Michael Vanderford

email: michaelv@cox-internet.com
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--=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30-- From frank.rehberger@web.de Thu Mar 7 18:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899D18253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g27NIxv31499; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Message-Id: <200203072319.g27NIxv31499@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: To: "GnomeMaillingList" , "StavenBruce" Subject: Re: Newbie Question Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Staven Bruce schrieb am 07.03.02: > I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 > GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I > had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. > > I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When > I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. > I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the > GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons > were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the > same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, > however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as > ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop > icons. > > I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how > to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from > happening again ?] I asume you changed the name of your machine while Gnome-session was running. I had the same experience with Gnome-1.x The problem might be some session files that are bound to machine-id. Regards, Frank ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Nummer, die sich jeder merkt: Ihre 01212 Wunschrufnummer von WEB.DE! Jetzt sichern: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=990001 From bighead@users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 8 00:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [203.94.254.140]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED21818920 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g285F2Y20024; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f To: Michael Vanderford Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Archit Baweja Date: 08 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 In-Reply-To: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Message-ID: Lines: 76 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? Archit Baweja Michael Vanderford writes: > On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: >=20 > Pawel Salek wrote: >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > > > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector > >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 > >> 1.3.15, why is that? > >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till > >> now > >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but > >> produtive and user friendly > > > > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support= =20 > > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetel= y=20 > > productive. > > > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the= =20 > > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have = any=20 > > "user friendly" ideas. > > > > -pawel > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-devel-list mailing list > > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list >=20=20=20=20=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a locati= on=20 > menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? >=20=20=20=20=20 > --=20 > -o) > Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ > _\_v > ---- >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is > a special need > for it not to be. Not the other way around. > IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, > The one for > GNOME is less than desirable. > _______________________ > Michael Vanderford >=20 > email: michaelv@cox-internet.com > web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv > _______________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8iEjV2rWNPKmGjMcRAsf7AJ9IksVDNRHon+DyYlilOlvBGf3fCwCfbQBR pQWm6Ytq04SY/fFT/7kjACM=3D =3D7ViU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andoylinux@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 00:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pop.jadephil.net (unknown [203.167.110.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192A4182D9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from yahoo.com (unknown [202.164.191.229]) by pop.jadephil.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2960239 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:42:32 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0800 From: Andres Montiel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome does not close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. What could I do to solve this dilemma? - Andres Montiel From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 02:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4524B18342 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.19] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:09:59 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:59 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: background color in gnome-canvas To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi everyone! In my program i am using gnome-canvas. and i want to set the background color of the canvas to a particular color. how can i do that? if someone can help me out..?? thankx Vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Fri Mar 8 03:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD561837C for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g288Jgr11688 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Gnome does not close From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 08 Mar 2002 00:19:41 -0800 Message-Id: <1015575582.26582.25.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 21:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE a= s my=20 > window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome.=20 > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't clo= se.=20 > I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. >=20 > What could I do to solve this dilemma? What's the exact behavior? You choose `exit' (from the menu?), then you get a ``are you sure you want to exit?'' dialog(?) Then you click OK(?) then what? --Ben --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8iHQcBQkCV8iOJocRApzxAJ9fTMvMd994B83+EHnZpZVaX+whGACeIV1U g8x6FkjQ/bWCZBPuN9h8078= =qFm8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV-- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Fri Mar 8 04:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39B1867B for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p192-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.29.192] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jGni-0002Ww-00 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:36:34 +1300 Message-ID: <3C888642.2CA8244@inet.net.nz> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:37:06 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm not working after 8.1 updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I cannot login to gnome with gdm after putting in some MDK 8.1 updates with Red Carpet, it only has default & failsafe listed, if i choose default it loads KDE. I changed to runlevel 3, run "startx gnome" but it starts IceWM. I have only downloaded Red Carpet, Ximian Gnome will be next. How do i get gdm working properly again ? The updates I put in with Red Carpet caused the problem when i booted next day. Updates with Red Carpet on Mar 6 : aspell-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm aspell-en_GB-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm bind-utils-9.2.0-0.rc3.2mdk.i586.rpm ftp-client-krb5-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm krb5-libs-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm libaspell10-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libcups1-1.1.10-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libldap2-2.0.21-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libogg0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.3.i586.rpm libpspell4-0.12.2-2.1mdk.i586.rpm libsnmp0-4.2.3-1.1mdk.i586.rpm procmail-3.22-1.1mdk.i586.rpm xchat-1.8.7-1.1mdk.i586.rpm >From syslog: Mar 7 20:29:46 localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/ File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost mandrake_everytime: Building Window Manager Sessions failed These only showed on the first boot (after updates), nothing on next reboots. I also put in these on Mar 8: Mar 8 01:02 control-center-1.4.0.2-9.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:07 dpsftplib-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:08 libdpsftp4-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:47 libvorbis0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:48 perl-GTK-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-GdkImlib-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Glade-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Gnome-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:31 util-linux-2.11h-3.1mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:46 xmms-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-esd-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-gnome-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-mikmod-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm They made no difference. Outer updates i did days earlier at a terminal: at-3.1.8-4.1mdk.i586.rpm enscript-1.6.1-22.1mdk.i586.rpm expect-8.3.3-9.1mdk.i586.rpm flex-2.5.4a-17.1mdk.i586.rpm glibc-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm gnupg-1.0.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm groff-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm groff-for-man-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm gzip-1.2.4a-9.1mdk.i586.rpm htdig-3.2.0-0.5mdk.i586.rpm initscripts-6.27-10.4mdk.i586.rpm iptables-1.2.4-1.1mdk.i586.rpm ldconfig-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libgtop1-1.0.12-4.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-clients-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm passwd-0.64.1-9.1mdk.i586.rpm rsync-2.4.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm slocate-2.6-1.1mdk.i586.rpm There were no problems with these. Thanks for any help you can offer. Dex From bootsy52@gmx.net Fri Mar 8 05:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E7418DE5 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12405 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Received: from pd953cc83.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO gmx.net) (217.83.204.131) by mail.gmx.net (mp008-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3C889619.20607@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:44:41 +0100 From: Carsten Menke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020202 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > Were you running Netscape ? Sometimes, when Gnome runs for over a week and Netscape as it is behaved to Netscape, crashed, it tooks a long time to log out. But Gnome definitley logs out. It only takes some time. Carsten From gnome@lambic.co.uk Fri Mar 8 07:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5AC18E68 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([24.201.134.71]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSNO0Q01.IUY for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:22 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020308125803.1C5AC18E68@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On March 8, 2002 05:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as > my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't > close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. I have the same problem in Mandrake 8.1. I usually switch to a console and kill stuff until Gnome eventually logs out. I haven't narrowed down exactly what is causing the problem but I think it might have something to do with KDE apps running under Gnome. From esoteric@3times25.net Fri Mar 8 08:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBBC184AA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC212A11; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:08:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:08:38 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andres Montiel Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless you've already attempted this. Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From hp@redhat.com Fri Mar 8 12:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0693C18B36 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g28HGbX15235; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Archit Baweja Cc: Michael Vanderford , =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 08 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Archit Baweja writes: > > I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 > release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? > There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. Havoc From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Fri Mar 8 13:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AE718972 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g28HarGN032686; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3C88F6B3.8000801@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:36:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Archit Baweja , Michael Vanderford , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: >Archit Baweja writes: > >>I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 >>release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? >> > >There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. > >Havoc > But for gnome 1.4 is it possible to correct bugs and make changes on GnomeFileSelector bonobo component ? If yes I could have some to post to improve its useability in galeon (the only application I know it is used in for now). -- -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Sat Mar 9 05:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C0181BF for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p353-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.30.99] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jeRJ-0001cd-00 for ; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:01 +1300 Message-ID: <3C89E938.10A41D9B@inet.net.nz> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:36 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gdm not working after 8.1 updates ---> Fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Sorry i thought it was using gdm. The right way to change from kdm to gdm is to create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop with this content: #!/bin/sh export DISPLAYMANAGER="Gnome" That fixed it, but why did the updates brake kdm! Thanks for your help. Have a happy day. Ed From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 02:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23A7182BF for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jyDK-0004Vw-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:57:55 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: Geoffrey , Andres Montiel Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:56:54 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> In-Reply-To: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 08 March 2002 07:08 am, Geoffrey wrote: > At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really > because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent > upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. > I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a > minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and > give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless > you've already attempted this. > > Andres Montiel wrote: > > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and > > choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. > > Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I > > choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? I've been meaning to write about this. I often have the same problem and I'm using FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE. What I have happening is that I click on the taskbar|logout button and gnome just freezes. The panels at the bottom and top of the screen remain, but become totally unresponsive. I haven't waited over a minute, but I think that's a bit much -- especially when I have already quit all the applications I've started in my login session. Fortunately, Gnome doesn't kill the window manager when this happens, so I just use my window manager's root-screen menu to start an xterm, through which I kill gnome-session. (Fwiw, I've used Sawfish wm when Gnome's had this behavior.) In regard to a previous helper's post, I do use Netscape, though I'm not sure if I've used it every time that my Gnome session won't close. I do know this: it hasn't happened after Netscape crashed, because Netscape has never crashed on my system. (That, incidentally, is precisely what made me try FreeBSD a few years ago: Netscape kept bringing my Linux box to its knees.) -- "I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it." -- Harry S. Truman (1884 - 1972) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE8189F9 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00BI10B3HQ@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:16:17 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:41:14 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: background color in gnome-canvas To: Vivek Singhal Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <003601c1c80f$574467d0$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi, you can simply change the style of the widget. Do that as following: GdkColor bgcolor=your_color_here(); GtkStyle * style; GtkStyle * defstyle; GtkWidget * widget=your_widget_here(); defstyle=gtk_widget_get_default_style(); style=gtk_style_copy(defstyle); style->bg[GTK_STATE_NORMAL]=bgcolor; gtk_widget_set_style(widget, style); Note do not modify the default style of widget derectly, you should modiy the copy of it. Kevin From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 03:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B38B180EE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jygy-0000IL-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:28:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: chiara zaniboni , gnome-list Subject: Re: Mouse cursor Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:27:31 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> In-Reply-To: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday 25 February 2002 10:01 am, chiara zaniboni wrote: > Hallo! > It is possible to change the shape of the mouse cursor to have the > clock and not the arrow? > Thank-you! Try these (and you don't have to be root): $ xsetroot -cursor_name clock $ xsetroot -cursor_name watch This one will set it back to the arrow: $ xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -- "Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83281816E for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00B030YFIM@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:30:16 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:55:13 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: compiled ORBit2? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ÕâÊÇ MIME ¸ñʽµÄ¾ßÓкܶಿ·ÖÏûÏ¢¡£ --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? thanks! --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend?
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--Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)-- From ermshta@ermshta.org Sun Mar 10 03:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D11815D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca ([216.209.174.37]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020310084627.WOCM1234.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:27 -0500 Subject: sounds From: Jee To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 10 Mar 2002 03:46:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? Jee Desjardins P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8ix1h1y89fXtyeSYRAvUpAJ9GuI4aVGy77JbegalLiEaSLD8WvQCgochf vrsKLvcqSsG36wHj3i+4k0c= =6LSs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3-- From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 10 19:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-44.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.45]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A40E18A34 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from u.washington.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2B0JHf04697 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:16 -0800 From: Travis Saling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome mailing list Subject: Ximian's mozilla packages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Is there a trick to getting LDAP enabled in the Mozilla address book (Ximian's 0.9.8 packages)? I haven't used Mozilla Mail for a while; but Evolution can be dog slow at times so I'm (perhaps temporarilly) switching back. Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Any advice or ideas would be appreciated. I have the following RPMs installed: mozilla-xmlterm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-devel-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-psm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-mail-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From mads.randstoft@tellabs.com Mon Mar 11 03:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mx4.tellabs.com (mx4.tellabs.com [204.68.180.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3001C182F9 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (mxdk.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.74.16]) by mx4.tellabs.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACQ05331; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com (pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.110.113]) by mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25059; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:15:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Ximian's mozilla packages From: Mads Randstoft To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Travis Saling In-Reply-To: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> References: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 09:20:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1015834867.831.3.camel@pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 01:19, Travis Saling wrote: Hello! > Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - > but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Works fine for me... Setting Address Autocompletion to "Directory server" And setting scope to "Subtree"... -- Codito, Ergo Sum -- Mads Randstoft Development Engineer Tellabs Copenhagen ============================================================ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ============================================================ From klaus.dahlke@gmx.de Mon Mar 11 17:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EC721822A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22834 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Received: from p508b0719.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.139.7.25) by mail.gmx.net (mp011-rz3) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Subject: compiling Guppi-0.40.3 From: Klaus Dahlke To: gnome-list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 23:31:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015885871.1178.3.camel@p49979> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I tried to compile Guppi-0.40.3 and it fails with: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I. -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"libguppiuseful\" -DGUPPI_PREFIX=\"/app/gnome\" -DGUPPI_PLUGINS=\"/app/gnome/lib/guppi/plug-ins/0.40.3\" -DGUPPI_PIXMAPS=\"/app/gnome/share/pixmaps/guppi\" -DGUPPI_SCRIPTS=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/scripts\" -DGUPPI_GLADE_DIR=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/glade\" -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -Wall -Wunused -c guppi-file.c -fPIC -DPIC -o guppi-file.o guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_getc': guppi-file.c:169: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgetc' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_gets': guppi-file.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgets' guppi-file.c:179: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_peek': guppi-file.c:185: `z_off_t' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:185: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once guppi-file.c:185: for each function it appears in.) guppi-file.c:185: parse error before `where' guppi-file.c:192: `where' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:192: warning: implicit declaration of function `gztell' guppi-file.c:194: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzseek' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_rewind': guppi-file.c:223: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzrewind' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_eof': guppi-file.c:245: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzeof' make[3]: *** [guppi-file.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src/libguppiuseful' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 The Makfile was created by './configure --prefix=/app/gnome --enable-sluggish-linking'. Guppi-0.40.2 could be compiled. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Klaus From don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Tue Mar 12 15:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (heneryhawk.csgsystems.com [205.144.146.213]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B9B186B5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from foghorn.csgsystems.com (foghorn [205.144.147.166]) by heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKTvop028500 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from doud01-linux (doud01-linux.csgsystems.com [10.1.39.173] (may be forged)) by foghorn.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKSvX3008059 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:28:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:30:11 -0600 From: Don Doumakes To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Mounting home directory Message-ID: <20020312143011.A985@doud01-linux.csgsystems.com> Reply-To: don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.0 Lines: 23 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really like using the loop-AES encrypted filesystem function in the new RedHat. It lets me take an encrypted file, mount it as a loopback device, and presto, I have access to my private data. I also like GNOME. I want to use the two at the same time. Here's how I accomplish that now: I log in at a text prompt, then manually mount my encrypted loopback filesystem using my own home directory as a mount point. (This way everything in my home directory tree, including GNOME configuration, browser history, etc., can be stored securely when I'm not around.) I then manually start X. Works great. I should be satisfied, but nooooooo. What I'd prefer to do, is boot into init level 5 and log in from a graphical prompt. At that point, I can pop open a terminal window and manually mount the encrypted file system as before. But this breaks GNOME, or appears to do so: e.g., I can't open another terminal window until I unmount the encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to get GNOME to reread its configuration without logging out? (Or is there a better question to ask?) -- Don Doumakes From jirka@zinc.5z.com Tue Mar 12 18:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zinc.5z.com (zinc.5z.com [64.23.60.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C184E182CF; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by zinc.5z.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g2CNloT23716; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:55:05 -0800 From: George To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Subject: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release Message-ID: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> Mail-Followup-To: George , gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: THISISTHEENDMYONLYFRIENDTHEEND Yes, I completely forgot to make a new release when I should have, so here it is anyway to fix my mistake. A few important fixes are in, so I'd suggest upgrading. Yes, I have been very lazy at doing this maintainer stuff recently due to the aquisition of a little bit more life then I had previously. Not to mention that I now have to like ... work ... and not on GNOME :) And now for the standard part of the release announcement: Ahh, so you have no clue what gdm is? Well if you've read this far ... let's not get into that. Gdm is GNOME Display Manager, the little daemon that lets you log in to your computer. It allows xdmcp multiple login displays, selection of languages, multiple login sessions and generally is much cooler then any xdm clone out there, mostly cuz it isn't an xdm clone to begin with. I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore. News: ===== Highlights of 2.2.5.5: - Security: Unknown users are treated just like bad authentication - Increase welcome string limit to 2048 for long welcome messages, though you should really be careful with such large sizes - Fixed typos (Karsten Weiss, me) - Documentation updates (Pablo Saratxaga) - Translation updates (Abel Cheung, Pablo Saratxaga, Alexander Shopov, Kjartan Maraas, Stanislav Visnovsky, Tőivo Leedjärv, Zbigniew Chyla, Christian Meyer, Karsten Weiss, Christian Rose, Duarte Loreto, Christophe Merlet, Ole Laursen, GNOME PL Team, P. Cholakov, T. Buyukliev) Note: Gdm2 was originally written by Martin K. Petersen , and is now maintained by the Queen of England. Although when she's not answering her email I usually cover for her. Note2: If installing from the tarball do note that make install overwrites most of the setup files, all except gdm.conf and gnomerc. It will however save backups with the .orig extension first. Note3: Distributors, packagers. Please, PLEASE use the standard Gnome script when setting things up as gnome, or at least equivalently working scripts. It should never be OK to just exec gnome-session, that is considered bad form. The script needs to read (if available) the ~/.gnomerc and otherwise read the /gdm/gnomerc file. This allows users and administrators to setup custom startup for gnome. Downloading: ============ ftp://ftp.5z.com/pub/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/sources/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/i386/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/SRPMS/gdm/ This should also be available at some point: http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/alpha/gdm/ Have fun, George PS: I AM THE WALRUS!!! -- George Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From mike@redtux.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 12 21:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (redtux.demon.co.uk [158.152.117.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36718162 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mike by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ky7F-0001me-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? From: mike To: gnome In-Reply-To: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Message-Id: <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-10 at 08:55, kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn wrote: > When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? > thanks! missing glibconfig.h - are you using checkinstall I had this problem too From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Wed Mar 13 02:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC61B18202 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.143.130]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSW00E64HVJ5I@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:49:06 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? To: mike Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <000601c1ca63$8e56c9b0$828f42da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: thanks for your helping, my glib version is not correct that time. now i have installed glib-1.3.15 and added it to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and run ldconfig, after that, configure successed, but when complied, gcc reported undefined to "g_string_spintf", what's wrong? thanks a lot! From jacob@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 11:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (209-6-26-174.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com [209.6.26.174]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227671815F; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jacob@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DGoVh02508; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jacob set sender to jacob@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release From: jacob berkman To: Rodney Dawes Cc: gnome-hackers , gnome-announce , gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk In-Reply-To: <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> References: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:50:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1016038230.2217.3.camel@wet-pants> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 11:04, Rodney Dawes wrote: > #!@XML_I18N_TOOLS_PERL@ -w > > That doesn't look right... shouldn't these be the new scripts, ie, ones > that expand @INTLTOOL_*@? "Bad, Bad Maintainer" indeed. ;) actually it doesn't matter. jacob -- From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 13:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5215C1818C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id NAA14856 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:04:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 310 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lD8a-0007AQ-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:51:13 up 17:46, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've been playing around trying to do useful work in a Gnome environment for several years now. I'm presently building a debian "woody" machine as a replacement for a HP-IX box that has been my primary workstation for 8+ years. I ran Vue on it, and it has _NEVER_ crashed or lost my configs. Also all of it's configs are stored in ASCII files, so it's easy to clone/backup my user environment. I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care to remember. Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular basis? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 13:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FC118BA1 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936012A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Next point, one word, backup? -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From glynn.foster@sun.com Wed Mar 13 13:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF561894E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28857; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdelab6 (cdelab6 [129.156.226.206]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2DIJKx08976; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:19:20 GMT Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Glynn Foster To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 18:13:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1016043211.27639.381.camel@cdelab6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, It will if you start hacking on it and making it stable instead of whinging ;) See ya, Glynn :) From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 13:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F33319272 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DIPZb02350; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 Message-Id: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with good results. I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then unpack the tarball. Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. Sorry not to offer more specific help. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From arthur@linuxbox.nu Wed Mar 13 14:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039A418594 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2DJGBZ06001; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:16:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no problems. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > > Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so > I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not > saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends > troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I > find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases > the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making > sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. > > Sorry not to offer more specific help. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From yves_kurz@web.de Wed Mar 13 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (smtp.datacomm.ch [212.40.5.52]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154019061 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-252-117-glattbrugg2.tiscalinet.ch [212.254.252.117]) by flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DJVX626928 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Yves Kurz To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Mar 2002 20:31:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space left on this device and logout... thats all... yves From tklistaddr@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu Wed Mar 13 14:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu (keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu [129.49.19.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5218153 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from keittlab-6.keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu ([192.168.1.6] helo=keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu ident=tkeitt) by keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lEZX-0000Tp-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Received: by keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Timothy H. Keitt" To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. T. From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 14:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCC41194F3 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4831 invoked by uid 1013); 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: "Timothy H. Keitt" Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a chance, they are working on it. -Josh ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 14:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3094C194F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DJuYd02690; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 Message-Id: <1016049394.1789.59.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > . However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). I'm not really arguing your point, but - I don't fully trust ANY system to save my configs or data, not just Gnome. Also, I'm in the habit of manually tweaking the configuration files directly; I don't think it's necessarily reasonable to expect Gnome to always handle that gracefully. THAT'S why I back it up. :-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 16:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D004618CDC for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DL2EB13948 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em if they know about 'em. On the other hand, users who see the same problems coming up over and over again but can't be bothered to expend the minimal time it takes to file bug reports should not be surprised if the bugs are still there. Cheers, John From culthero@culthero.info Wed Mar 13 16:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A8518CF4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from darthvader.culthero.info (cm254.81.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.81.254]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id ABN10476; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313133504.00b23290@24.234.52.66> X-Sender: culthero%culthero.info@24.234.52.66 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:35:29 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cult Hero Subject: Re: sounds In-Reply-To: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have this same problem. Slackware package install. Slackware manual source install. Gentoo portage install. Every single time I install Gnome I have this problem and I can NEVER get an answer. I've seen the question asked on multiple message boards but no one ever answers. This has got to be a fairly common problem. Does ANYONE know the answer!? At 03:46 AM 3/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play >sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] >doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? > >Jee Desjardins >P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something >about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --- "There's no difference between me and everyone else. All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day." - The Joker From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57132 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 6 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIBm-0000uX-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > >basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > > Next point, one word, backup? > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to begin restoring. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DF518D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57743 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 102 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIDL-0000v1-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 From: stan To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233123.GB3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 08:31:32PM +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space > left on this device and logout... thats all... > That's not what cause _any_ of the destructions I have seen. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0DC18D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58196 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 182 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIEc-0000vL-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:41 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233241.GC3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:25:35AM -0800, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > The fact that you feel obligated to do that speaks volumes for the stability of the Gnome evniroment. IMHO. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B5018D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58670 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 267 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIG0-0000vn-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:07 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running > Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no > problems. > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA59973 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 184 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIJm-0000yK-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:38:03PM -0500, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > > good results. > > > > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian > problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about > this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have > bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) > This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been > focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic > when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ > leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll > have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the lead of out favorite software monoply. NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up every thime. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6FE18577 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA60499 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 263 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIL3-0000yi-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 11:56:01AM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues > are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such > a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their > configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of > different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a > chance, they are working on it. > Look hte point I'm trying to make is that, unless we can get to the point where we _don't_ trash user's configs, then we are no bettor off that the peple using m$. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA091878A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA61657 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 101 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIO2-00010q-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > if they know about 'em. The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug report. My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater entirly. But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually get work done. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 19:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E00B18482 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85F12A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8FEA11.7060501@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > >>stan wrote: >> >> >>>Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work >>>in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular >>>basis? >>> >>Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. >> I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development >>environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying >>it doesn't happen. >> >>Next point, one word, backup? >> >> > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. Pretty simple, backup the whole ,gnome dir, and drop it back in place. > > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 19:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC3C193AD for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA74918; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 169 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIyL-0001IK-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 From: stan To: Josh Steiner Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Josh Steiner , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:14:45 up 1 day, 9 min, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.54, 0.28 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > OK, 2 things here. 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still store config data in (yuck) binary files? 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any progress has been made in this area in several years. Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar with these stnadrds till it meets them. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 19:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F96193F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=awesomeplay.com) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lJ5h-0006dq-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 Received: from 207.75.135.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user elanthis) by mail.awesomeplay.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Sean Middleditch" To: In-Reply-To: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have >> no problems. >> > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right now? ~,^ > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 20:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5D0B18556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10329 invoked by uid 1013); 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > > > OK, 2 things here. > > 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? > What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still > store config data in (yuck) binary files? here is an older paper describing it: http://developer.gnome.org/feature/archive/gconf/gconf.html it has multiple storage backends, including the possiblity for having all your preferences saved on a server, which i really look forward to. > 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing > the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for > real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any > progress has been made in this area in several years. > > Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard > for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure > of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success > of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar > with these stnadrds till it meets them. I beleive Gconf was really introduced around 1.4, but most applications still use the old .gnome/* configuration system, Gnome 2.0 has ported most of the applications to the new system which will be muich more maintanable from both the application developer perspective (so you will see less loss of setting with software updates in the future) and from the sysadmin perspective (you wont need to figure out each systems individul config file quirks). This issue is being addressed. ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 20:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E3318556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2E1Qwf07620 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? Best regards, John From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 20:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F1218556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id UAA05118; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 203 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lK3O-0001p8-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 From: stan To: Sean Middleditch Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 20:25:03 up 1 day, 1:20, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.30, 0.22 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for mine, self destrucing. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. 3. Edit original. 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From iain@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 20:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5472018D9B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8912 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost.localdomain) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: iain To: stan Cc: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ximian, Inc X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Mar 2002 02:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. No it's not. To create the copy, you need twice the space. iain -- "Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself" - Leo Tolstoy. From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 21:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F31956B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lLHc-0006qV-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:48:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Mar 2002 21:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1015987879.4552.6.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 20:29, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for > mine, self destrucing. Ah, OK then. "My bad." > > > > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > > now? ~,^ > > > > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. > However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. Um, that's rather convoluted, and error-prone. The solution I mentioned is the exact same one used, for example, when modifying the /etc/passwd file with vipasswd (or any other such program). It ensures that (at least) no errors occur during the writing of the new passwd file, and that there is always a valid copy (either the old or the new) in place at /etc/passwd, at all times (since the rename is atomic). Of course, as you said, that won't fix whatever causes your GNOME config file mishaps, but it might help those with disk-space errors (especially when .gnome-errors decides to fill up your disk space because some core GNOME component goes crazy ;-) Sean Etc. > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From stuart@bmsi.com Wed Mar 13 22:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B307A19586 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmsaix.bmsi.com (bmsaix [219.109.11.9]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34FkY016872 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:15 -0500 Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (IDENT:root@gathman.bmsi.com [219.109.11.136]) by bmsaix.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34Chw026544 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:13 -0500 Received: from bmsi.com (IDENT:stuart@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gathman.bmsi.com (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g2E2wPc01342 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9011D0.F1579ED0@bmsi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 From: "Stuart D. Gathman" Organization: Business Management Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome mysteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 with Ximian Gnome on several machines from laptop to desktop. 1) On most machines, the GDM login screen blanks the screen after a time out. This is a great feature, and works for remote X terminals and LTSP as well as local video. However, my home machine, running same versions of RPMS, does not blank screen at GDM login. Screen blank does work on text consoles, and for logged in GUI users. It also works for a connected X Terminal (running on 486!). Why does this not work for this one machine? It has Intel Pentium 200, 80M RAM, 15G disk, ATI Mach32 video. 2) I use the Gnome weather applet. On most machines, it works great. On my home machine, it displays the sun symbol, but not the temperature. The configuration is the same in all cases. It gets wierder. On the *same* home machine, it works for everyone elses login. It only doesn't work for my login. I have compared the config files, and they are all identical. Curiously, if I look at my config file, the temperature is there - properly fetched from the web site. It is just not displayed! 3) I use the RedHat PPP applet. It worked fine in RH6.2. In RH7.2, it still works mostly fine, except that after connecting the applet still shows the interface as not connected. If I right click and edit properties, and change the interface selection to another interface then back to the same interface, the display will right itself. This seems like a straitforward bug. 4) Occasionally, for no reason that I can determine (there is plenty of disk space), some part of my Gnome setup is gone when I log in. There were no errors displayed when logging out previously, and no errors in /var/log/messages. For instance, sometimes GMC is gone, and I have to add it back to the session properties. When I logged in this evening, Gnome Panel was gone. I right clicked on the desktop to get a terminal and ran "panel" from the shell, and it came up and added itself back to the session properties. Sometimes, applets disappear from the Panel. For instance, the weather applet disappeared this morning, and the task list and/or desk guide often disappear. It is easy, but a nuisance to add them back. -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From mike@mjv.com Wed Mar 13 22:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from IMGate.wtsonline.net (imgate.wtsonline.net [63.64.122.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741A41957E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from comanchetx.com (mail.comanchetx.com [63.64.122.61]) by IMGate.wtsonline.net (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id EC92B5D1DF for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:08:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mjv.com [65.201.66.47] by comanchetx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37DB7250254; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:05:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C901C14.7070803@mjv.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:42:12 -0600 From: Mike Vanecek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Agreed. I've been using Gnome for over three years as my standard desk-top both at my computer business and at home. Never have I had it totally crater on me - and I beat up on it pretty hard with alpha level software, my own pre-pre-way-pre-alpha software and dozens of windows. Albiet, much of the stability can be atributed to Linux, the user interface has been very tolerant of my explorations and abuse. I've set up some of my clients with Gnome on Linux - totally computer illiterate clients - and they're still plugging along, making their mistakes and learning and Gnome still keeps ticking. The only thing I back up are my project files and database dumps - but that's more for catastrophic changes like system upgrades or hardware failure - the usual reasons to back up. Like anything else - on any pretty good product, you'll always have problem cases. From the Ferrari to FreeBSD, you'll have a few out there that are beset with difficulties. But a chronic problem unique to an individual needs to be adressed. As far as this one person's seemingly chronic problems, a little reflection on circumstances may help. What's been consistently the same on each issue? Hint - same person. Evaluate how you configure your systems, run over and verify what you believe to be true and compare it to what actually is true. Since the problem seems to be happening on more than one platform over different versions of Gnome, and that this doesn't seem to be a chronic Gnome problem to everyone, evaluate what remains the same. Not a personal bash - I've had identical problems in several different systems and discovered that I was at fault (wanted badly to blame it on Microsoft). It happens. Explore the community as a whole - run the archives - if you don't see your problem cropping up as a chronic problem, then move on in your research to find the culprit. Don't sit around bashing Gnome and automatically assuming it's at fault. Only the people with solutions to provide have that right anyway... Also examine seemingly unrelated settings - examine your CMOS and system settings and potential hardware problems or even dirty electricity, etc... It's a puzzle - take the challenge and run with it. Gnome isn't perfect. If you still suspect it being a problem with Gnome, rather than ranting -dig in and locate that problem or partner up with a developer with the skills to do so. Make a negative a positive. Gnome is what you make of it - no more and no less. I for one am extremely thankful for the hard work and late nights/early mornings that developers have expended to make Gnome what it is today. Millions of dollars in man-hours just given away. It's inspired me to learn gui programming. And, it's earned my trust in depending on it for my business and personal computing. Cheers, Mike John Fleck wrote: >On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > >>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: >>> >>>>I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care >>>>to remember. >>>> >>>You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, >>>and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's >>>certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users >>>serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their >>>problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience >>>in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em >>>if they know about 'em. >>> >>The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide >>a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug >>report. >> > >Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" >pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a >problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. > >This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common >problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual >problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else >who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. > >You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens >and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they >supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? > >Best regards, > >John >_______________________________________________ >gnome-list mailing list >gnome-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 23:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9656181C9 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id XAA60846; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 170 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lMVv-0002rJ-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 From: stan To: iain Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314040651.GA10890@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: iain , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 23:04:24 up 1 day, 3:59, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.21, 0.13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:33:19AM +0000, iain wrote: > > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > > 3. Edit original. > > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. > > No it's not. > To create the copy, you need twice the space. Mmm, you've got the swquncee wrong. Step 1 is where you create the copy, and where you need the space. After taht no more space is needed, except perhaps when you do something that _adds_ to the new copy. But once you have the copy made, you can always back out to it. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 14 06:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B16618510 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16lT0C-00063a-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314110232.D20351@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 or thereabouts, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > >basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > Next point, one word, backup? > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. I'll preface this by saying that whilst I have done amazing things to my Gnome setup, I've never actually trashed the entire thing. Despite this, I do keep test accounts, where I -- well. Test stuff :) Before doing it for real. On the .gnome files, here's a rough guide. This account was created on RH 5.2 (and Gnome 1.0, which was far more unstable than Gnome is these days, despite having far less in it), and successively migrated through the subsequent betas and releases to RH 7.2, so not everything here may actually get created by default in RH 7.2. Things change :) In .gnome/ almost everything is an ascii text file. "file * | grep -v text" shows you the rest. The one big exception is metadata.db which is apparently "Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)" for me. I have a lot of gnome-terminal-random-letter files for no apparent reason: the only difference appears to be the geometry and the dates on them look like the last few times I restarted X. I believe they're just session-manager stuff. My defaults and tclasses (a gnome-terminal thing) are actually in the .gnome/Terminal file. All the text files have a roughly similar format: geometry, font, editor, needs_term (true or false) and so on. panel.d/ or panel.d/default contains your launchers and stuff from the panel. If I want to start over completely from scratch, I'd move or remove the entire directory. I'd also go on a blitz through /tmp removing all the /tmp/.ICE-unix/ /tmp/.esd/ and ./.swafish-username/ stuff I had permissions to remove. These are mostly sockets. I don't think it hurts to remove these :) I'd do it when not in GNOME though, just in case. I have lost the original mail. Was it GNOME as a whole hanging? Specific apps crashing? I am curious whether the same thing happens in X or KDE (in which case I'd blame X). You can get X error messages from /var/log/XFree86.[display].log (and hmm, I seem to have a lot about GetModeLine in there: should I worry?) When you mention you're spending hours rebuilding Gnome, is this building as in compiling, or as in setting up default settings, or what? Telsa From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 10:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06F291856F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314150229.36241.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: queries regarding gnome-canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am using gnome canvas in my program. - how to define a "clipping area" ( i want only a selected circular area to be visible )in it. ? - how to change the "text", once the gnome_canvas_item TEXT has been created in the canvas ( that is i want to update the text of the "text item")? - how to add a widget to the canvas ? thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Thu Mar 14 10:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A739F18613 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2EFGPZ00985; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 14 Mar 2002 10:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" in the way you are describing. Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a bigger hard drive. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:27, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > > > > > -- > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 15:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com [161.114.1.208]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE2F18113 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118013822; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:38:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9CECB1; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id MAA28129; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2EKcHv484962; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until I freed space (as root). Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database that gets lost. The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll generally have lots of obscure usage. - Jim -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 16:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (zcamail04.zca.compaq.com [161.114.32.104]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26101967F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6468A25; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776A6E52; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id NAA11452; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2ELD49492385; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142113.g2ELD49492385@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: "Arthur H. Johnson II" Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The fact that Gnome can leave your machine in a unusable state (to the point of being unable to log in) when it runs out of disk space, without once warning you it is dying, is *not* a feature. What I would hope is when key data needs to be written, the return code from write would be checked, the user warned if it is out of space, and a retry possible. Right now, you can lose entirely this way (as I did week before last). - Jim > To: Sean Middleditch > Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > ----- > No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" > days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" > in the way you are describing. > > Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to > assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really > think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a > bigger hard drive. > -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 09:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49C85181EC for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:10:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315141048.8227.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas!! To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 15 10:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835718245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2FEsBZ24565; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Jim Gettys Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> References: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 15 Mar 2002 09:57:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1016204232.2947.0.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really dont know how to respond to this. I never have problems like this with GNOME, of course I dont let my hard drive fillup either. On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 15:38, Jim Gettys wrote: > Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. > > I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was > completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until > I freed space (as root). > > Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. > This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database > that gets lost. > > The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you > happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find > over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll > generally have lots of obscure usage. > - Jim > > -- > Jim Gettys > Cambridge Research Laboratory > Compaq Computer Corporation > jg@pa.dec.com > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 11:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF48E18245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315164337.46993.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From pclouds@fptnet.com Sat Mar 16 21:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (dns2.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BE518FB4 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn (isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.131]) by dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2H2WZq28206 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:32:35 +0700 Received: from hcm.fpt.vn ([203.162.45.132]) by isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G35KPQN8; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:36:40 +0700 Received: from [203.162.59.211] by hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.132] Received: (from pclouds@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2G3MHB05085 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:16 -0500 From: pclouds To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: get packages from cvs through firewall Message-ID: <20020315222216.A5074@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello I have written two scripts which allow to checkout or rdiff from CVS by web. I can't access CVS because of firewall. Hope it useful for people like me. cvs.cgi is the cgi script. You put it on web server. The result of this script will be translated by translate_cvs.pl. The scripts are simple. They don't support password and other commands of cvs. --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cvs.cgi" #!/usr/bin/perl use CGI ':standard'; use Socket; sub die_html { print "ERROR: @_\nERROR: $!\n"; exit 0; } if (param('start') ne "start") { $ENV{'SCRIPT_NAME'}=~ s#^/?#/#; print <CVS Query Valid commands are: checkout, rdiff, rtag.

An additional command is "gzip <level>" which is like the param "-z <level>".

CVS Host:
Repositry dir:
User:
Command:
EOF exit 0; } print "Content-types: plain/text\n\n"; $root = param('root'); $host = param('host'); $user = param('user'); $port = 2401; $command = param('command'); $command =~ s/\r/\n/sg; $command .= "\n"; print "Host=$host\nRoot=$root\nUser=$user\n\n"; $| = 1; $buf = ""; $output = \*STDOUT; %valid_cmd = (co => "ok", rdiff => "ok", rtag => "ok", gzip => "ok", output => "ok"); $password = "A"; $iaddr = inet_aton($host) || die_html "No host"; $cmd_authen="BEGIN AUTH REQUEST\n$root\n$user\n$password\nEND AUTH REQUEST\n"; $cmd_init = "Root $root\n"; socket(SOCK, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, getprotobyname('tcp')) || die_html("Create socket failed") ; connect(SOCK, sockaddr_in($port,$iaddr)) || die_html("Connect failed") ; select((select(SOCK), $|=1)[0]) ; # unbuffer the socket $sock = \*SOCK; print $sock $cmd_authen; $line = read_line(); die_html "Authentication failed" if ($line ne "I LOVE YOU"); print $sock $cmd_init; print "START\n"; while (1) { do { if ($command =~ /^([^\n]+)\n/) { $cmdline = $1; } else { print "QUIT\n"; exit 0; } print "CMD $cmdline\n"; $command =~ s/^[^\n]*\n+//s; @param = split (/ +/,$cmdline); $cmd = shift @param; } while ($valid_cmd{$cmd} ne "ok"); $cmd="co" if ($cmd eq "checkout"); if ($cmd eq "gzip") { print $sock "gzip-file-contents $param[0]\n"; next; } if ($cmd eq "output") { $cmdline =~ /^output (.*)/; open HANDLE, $1; $output = \*HANDLE if defined (HANDLE); next; } foreach $str (@param) { print $sock "Argument $str\n"; } print $sock "$cmd\n"; do { $line = read_line(); print $output $line."\n"; if ($line =~ /^M (.*)$/) { print "MSG $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^E (.*)$/) { print "ERR $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^Updated (.*)$/) { $path = read_line(); $entry = read_line(); $mode = read_line(); print "UPDATE <$1> <$path> <$entry> <$mode>\n"; &get_file; } else { print "WOW <$line>\n"; } } while ($line ne "ok" and $line !~ /^error/); } sub read_line { local ($len, $buffer); while ($buf !~ /^[^\n]*\n/) { $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,1024; $buf = $buf . $buffer; } $buf =~ /^([^\n]*)\n/; $buffer = $1; $buf =~ s/[^\n]*\n//; return $buffer; } sub get_file { local ($size, $len, $realsize); $size = read_line(); $size = $1 if ($size =~ /^z(.*)/); print "GET $size\n"; if (length($buf)) { $realsize = $size < length($buf) ? $size : length($buf); $buf =~ /^(.{$realsize})/s; print "$1"; $buf =~ s/^.{$realsize}//s; $size -= $realsize; } while ($size > 0) { $realsize = $size < 1024 ? $size : 1024; $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,$realsize; print "$buffer"; #print RAW $buffer; $size -= $len; } print "GET DONE\n"; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/x-perl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="translate_cvs.pl" #!/usr/bin/perl sub extract_file { $path = ""; foreach $i (split(/\//,$_[0])) { $path .= "$i/"; mkdir $path; } $entry = $_[2]; $entry =~ m,/([^/]+)/,; $path .= $1; open HANDLE,"> $path" || die "Can not create $path.\n"; $_ = <>; die "Bad file\n" unless /GET (\d+)/; $size = $1; read STDIN,$buffer,$size; $end = <>; die "Read error\n" unless defined($buffer) && length($buffer) == $size && $end eq "GET DONE\n"; print HANDLE $buffer; close HANDLE; if ($gzip) { print "Unzipping... "; system "mv $path $path.gz"; if (system "gunzip $path.gz") { print "Failed\n"; system "mv $path.gz $path"; } else { print "Done\n"; } } print "Create $path ($size bytes)\n"; } $gzip = 0; while (<>) { # print ">> $_"; chomp; exit 0 if $_ eq "QUIT"; $gzip = $1 if /^CMD gzip (\d)/; extract_file($1,$2,$3,$4) if /^UPDATE <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)>/; print "$1\n" if /^MSG (.*)/; print STDERR "$1\n" if /^ERR (.*)/; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From patrick.m.lane@csun.edu Sat Mar 16 23:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FC3180F2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([63.204.176.122]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT300EU2N7S0P@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:18 -0800 From: Patrick Lane Subject: Fonts in gnome-terminal To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the only one that looks right. --Patrick From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sat Mar 16 23:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ACE18136 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mS9u-0005tj-00 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 23:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016339002.20162.32.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 23:02, Patrick Lane wrote: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. Most fonts aren't uni-spaced. Normal text looks a little "funny" when all the letters/symbols are the same width (a lower-case l shouldn't be as wide as a capital M). Obviously, on a terminal, you want them to all be a uniform width. The Terminal fonts are uni-width fonts. Most of the rest aren't. > > --Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 00:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2DC184F2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H5WGZ11716; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Lane Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Lane writes: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. > You can only use monospace (fixed-width) fonts. If you go to the "filter" tab you can set a filter to display only those I think. GNOME 2 gnome-terminal will do this, only allow you to choose fonts that will work. Havoc From stanb@awod.com Sun Mar 17 01:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E77518316 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id BAA39764 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 39 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16mToz-00051r-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 01:02:18 up 13:07, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.37, 0.55 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > entirly. > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > get work done. > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels were gone :-( Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug report on this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 17 01:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-1-51.oz.net [216.39.134.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002B188C2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H6B4904307; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Fonts in gnome-2 From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom font. What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my existing TrueType fonts to the mix? -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From hongli@telekabel.nl Sun Mar 17 03:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118DE180D9 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from telekabel.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020317082321.UMQE24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@telekabel.nl>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3C9452C5.4040107@telekabel.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:24:37 +0100 From: Hongli Lai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: nl, nl-be, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-2 References: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Travis Saling wrote: > I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take > more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, > how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to > the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom > font. > > What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not > show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the > font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 > keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my > existing TrueType fonts to the mix? > If you turn anti-aliasing off, you can use all the fonts X provides you. But when you turn anti-aliasing on (use Xft), somehow you get a whole different list of font names! (such as Arial suddenly replaced by Nimbus Sans L???) This is confusing, could somebody explain this? From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 11:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C3180E3 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2HGToC20206; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan writes: > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. Havoc From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Sun Mar 17 22:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FE188F5 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16mnRc-0001kX-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D624518162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mncM-00089w-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 22:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1016421484.26959.4.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sounds like your PAM setup may be incorrect; in /etc/pam.d/gdm is the PAM setup for GDM (this is assuming Slackware uses PAM... I haven't used Slackware in some time). Specifically, check the auth lines. They should be similar to (or exactly like) the auth lines in, for example, /etc/pam.d/login. If you have an exotic authentication system (LDAP, NIS, etc.) you have to be a bit more careful, just as a warning. On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From omega@temple-baptist.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AD718162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2I3Kln29994; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:20:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Christian Seberino In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 19:19:54 -0800 Message-Id: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by .xsession-errors, nothing more. Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same packages do *not* do this. It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 23:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C95A182CD for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16moM5-0008Dy-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:02:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 23:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1016424319.26959.7.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have that problem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same computers, with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:19, Erik Walthinsen wrote: > On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their > machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to > me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never > shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. > It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is > some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by > .xsession-errors, nothing more. > > Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly > updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same > packages do *not* do this. > > It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know > if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. > > Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator > __ > / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! > | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** > _\ /_ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Sun Mar 17 23:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41B18890 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2I3vJ6D004518 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: <3C95659D.4070404@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:17 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020314 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Gnome 1.4.1rc1 build for Sparc Solaris2.8 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030402020600060102090507" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030402020600060102090507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hye For whom is interrested I just build a (almost) full gnome & gnome-fifth installation (including nautilus, galeon, evolution and many more and even mozilla) for Solaris2.8 sparc, and made it available as rpm packages. 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Message-ID: <20020318002729.A7478@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil>; from seberino@spawar.navy.mil on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 07:04:20PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I did "ps aux" and noticed mutiple gdm processes where running IMMEDIATELY AFTER REBOOTING (and logging in remotely with ssh). Why did 2 gdm's appear after rebooting??? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From jverel@optonline.net Mon Mar 18 09:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (unknown [168.144.1.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9318CB4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w078 ([168.144.108.78]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 159.10.4.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: "jverel@optonline.net" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 To: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Reply-To: jverel@optonline.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 14:55:54.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[01017D70:01C1CE8D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice = login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default deskto= p configuration when you go back in. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 18 16:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F6187FA for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW2L>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. ----------------->>>> Hay Havoc On one of my old systems (486-50 updated with a AMD 586-100 and 64MB RAM) and some funky video card... HP Ultra VGA) has some similar problems. Here is the specifics: I can only use the XF86 VGA server in 640 x 480 x 8 (or it might be 16) mode. After installing RH 72 (and of course GNOME) I started my xserver and the desktop appears then the bottom panel, a couple applets appear (in the none complete icon state) and before they gain the full icon state of the applet, the panel applet crashes leaving no panels on the desktop. I'm able to start a terminal and call any program but the panel applets always crash. At this point I was not sure if this is the panel or the panel applets. So knowing how great Ximian is I loaded it up hoping maybe my problems would be solved. The install went great. Then starting of the new Ximian GNOME desktop crashed at Doorman, then at the Panel applet as it did with the initial GNOME. I know this is an old system and it's purpose is singular on our network, so I usually vncviewer into this system, which also works fine (except for the above mentioned crashes). I use vnc because I can set the desktop to a range higher than the hardware will allow. However, the aforementioned errors happen in both the vncserver and sitting at the system. Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need another set of eyes. From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 00:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF35180FB for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nCds-0003Xk-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: "jverel@optonline.net" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020318215840.A13599@spawar.navy.mil> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jverel@optonline.net on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: John Thank you very much! This makes perfect sense and I tried it and so far it fixed problem. Of course it was sporadic before so I'll be more sure it worked as time goes on. What do you think about adding a line to rc.local to scrub the /tmp directory at every reboot??? That should provide nice insurance for this. What would cause these /tmp files to get mangled??? My desktop PC never had this problem.. only this new laptop?!?!?! Thanks again, Chris On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. > > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. > > Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default desktop configuration when you go back in. > > John > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? > > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From kliermanm@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 19 14:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from motgate4.mot.com (motgate4.mot.com [144.189.100.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55019187 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate4.mot.com (motgate4 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA13182 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from pronto1.comm.mot.com (pronto1.comm.mot.com [173.6.1.22]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA09391 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:14 -0700 (MST)] Received: from beta1 (beta1 [173.5.173.1]) by pronto1.comm.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29106 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:42:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: solaris and gnome2 (gnome-vfs) From: Ken Lierman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:42:12 -0600 Message-Id: <1016566934.1268.26.camel@beta1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hey all, I thought i'd take a crack at compiling gnome2 on my solaris 2.6 machine here at work.... (BTW, thanks for garnome... making it tolerable, at least :). Anyway, i've had a few minor compilation issues (which i'll log soon), but i'm totally stuck with gnome-vfs-1.9.10. Here's what i get (compiling gnome-vfs-application-registry.c): /usr/include/signal.h:198: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h: In function `sigwait': /usr/include/signal.h:200: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h:201: `__setp' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/include/signal.h:201: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/include/signal.h:201: for each function it appears in.) anyone see this before? signal.h and sys/signal.h are just FILLED with conditional compilations.... ug. Any ideas? Thanks! Ken From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 16:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BA318197 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nQj2-0004Qp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: How many gdm processes does gdm require? Message-ID: <20020319130056.A17036@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How many gdm's should I see on a normal ps aux output?? I see 3 even though no one is using this PC!?!?!? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From dbp24@ee.byu.edu Tue Mar 19 16:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from krum.ee.byu.edu (krum.ee.byu.edu [128.187.114.160]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CC189F4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.byu.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by krum.ee.byu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2JLEXp16785 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 From: Devin Baker Pratt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Terminal bell properties Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn down the volume. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Tue Mar 19 17:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C819256; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020319222818.DDVD604.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:28:18 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 19 Mar 2002 23:21:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1016576506.1347.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released 2. Sun release abicheck 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' 7. Abiword on O'Reilly 8. GNOME 2 software popping up 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out 10. First release of Gior 11. Bug Day Reminder 12. Translated GNOME summaries 13. Hacker Activity 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity ============================================================== 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The fast growing Rhythmbox team lead by Jorn Baayen and Bastien Nocera had their first official release this last week. Rhythmbox is a music management program which aims at taking care of all your needs in relation to playing music on a computer. This first release just plays your mp3 or ogg files but development is moving rapidly and many more features are planned as shown on the rhythmbox homepage. http://www.rhythmbox.org/ ============================================================== 2. Sun release abicheck -------------------------------------------------------------- Sun Microsystems has released Abicheck under the LGPL to the GNOME community. Abicheck is a tool to make sure that the libraries ABI stay 100% compatible, within the same release series. As part of this release they have made ABI docs for glibc and GNOME. More info on the abicheck homepage. http://abicheck.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The GStreamer team did a new release of the GStreamer Multimedia Framework. This release featured among other things a new autoplugger and many new plugins. The release is also needed if you want to try out the first two released applications based on GStreamer namely the the Gst-Player and Rhythmbox releases. http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/notice.php http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/gstplayernotes.php ============================================================== 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Our friends of the Gnucash project made another release this week. The new version features tweaks for the exchange rate calculation so that it will work in even more complicated cases, involving different Euroland and other currencies, added Edit Report Options hyperlink to warnings in reports and added workaround for Guppi barchart legend sorting (broken in Guppi 0.40.0 - 0.40.3). http://www.gnucash.org/ ftp://ftp.gnucash.org/pub/gnucash/ ============================================================== 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 -------------------------------------------------------------- The GTK+ team is proudly announced to the world the release of version 2.0 of the GTK+ widget toolkit and associated libraries (GLib, Pango, and ATK). These libraries are the result of 3 years work with contributions from hundreds of volunteers. This release represents a major step forward in free software user interface toolkits. This release brings with it many improvements in API and widget functionality, accessibilty support, unsurpased i18n support and support for anti-aliasing. All this for the first time available in a library available under the LGPL license a license that is open and free to all developers no matter what license they choose to use for their software. http://www.gtk.org/2.0.0-announce.html ============================================================== 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' -------------------------------------------------------------- The second GNOME desktop beta was out this week and according to many this beta is stable enough to use on a daily basis if you are willing to be a little forgiving with your desktop. Bugfixing goes on at great pace thanks to the dedicated effort of the GNOME team. One person I think deserves a special mention this time around is Kevin Vandersloot who now maintains both gnome-applets and gnome-utils and is very quick to respond to new bug reports as shown by him being high both on the cvs commits list but also on the bug-hunters list. Thanks Kevin. Anyway please read the release notes for more information about this release. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-March/msg00181.html ============================================================== 7. Abiword on O'Reilly -------------------------------------------------------------- That GNOME has the best applications there can be little doubt about. This week O'Reilly published an article presenting our favourite word processor Abiword to the world. The article gives some positive insight into the history of the project, where it is now and where its heading. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/03/14/abiword.html ============================================================== 8. GNOME 2 software popping up -------------------------------------------------------------- The first software release for GNOME 2 is starting to appear. In addition to the mentioned Rhythmbox and Gst-Player releases mentioned earlier we had releases of Gnumeric, File Roller and Eye Of GNOME. More ports are started so expect to see more in the coming weeks. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00017.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00033.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00037.html ============================================================== 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out -------------------------------------------------------------- The GtkAda team announced the release of GtkAda 2.0.0 release this week. This makes Ada the first language bindings to have a non-development release of bindings for the new GTK+ 2.0 release. Maybe this is the chance you have been waiting for to try out the Ada programmig language? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00029.html ============================================================== 10. First release of Gior -------------------------------------------------------------- Since we have had a CORBA story for the last couple of summaries I thought we needed one this week also. Frank Rehberger has made a fun little tool which lets you dump CORBA ior's and ping associated objects. You find it and a screenshot at the link below. http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~frehberg/gior.html ============================================================== 11. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org also this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). While the bug team has gotten many great volunteers the last few weeks more is needed so please stop by. ============================================================== 12. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 13. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 93 gnumeric 80 evolution 56 profterm 48 gimp 47 gok 45 gnome-applets 42 gnome-panel 42 gtk+ 41 SashComponents 40 rhythmbox-new 39 gnome-control-center 35 vte 33 nautilus 32 galeon 29 gal 25 gtkmm-root 24 encompass 24 pan 23 ggv 21 gnome-utils [134 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 57 minmax 48 dtb 48 frob 46 ajshankar 38 jamesh 38 stano 36 jpekka 34 michael 34 jbaayen 32 nalin 30 jody 29 chrisime 29 menthos 29 murrayc 29 fejj 27 hp 26 kmaraas 25 dobey 24 kevinv 24 ettore [138 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6779 (In the last week: New: 1116, Resolved: 887, Difference: +229) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1149 (In the last week: New: 130, Resolved: 104, Difference: +26) gtk+: 399 (In the last week: New: 78, Resolved: 36, Difference: +42) gnome-core: 312 (In the last week: New: 97, Resolved: 131, Difference: -34) gnome-vfs: 245 (In the last week: New: 2, Resolved: 5, Difference: -3) gnome-applets: 235 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 13, Difference: +20) galeon: 177 (In the last week: New: 191, Resolved: 174, Difference: +17) gnome-panel: 168 (In the last week: New: 114, Resolved: 39, Difference: +75) gnome-pilot: 165 (In the last week: New: 6, Resolved: 42, Difference: -36) sawfish: 165 (In the last week: New: 12, Resolved: 7, Difference: +5) GIMP: 157 (In the last week: New: 17, Resolved: 12, Difference: +5) control-center: 141 (In the last week: New: 57, Resolved: 33, Difference: +24) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: 0, Resolved: 0, Difference: 0) gmc: 111 (In the last week: New: 4, Resolved: 4, Difference: 0) balsa: 106 (In the last week: New: 18, Resolved: 7, Difference: +11) gnome-utils: 101 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 26, Difference: +7) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: heath@pointedstick.net: 127 bugs closed. yaneti@declera.com: 126 bugs closed. kmaraas@gnome.org: 78 bugs closed. bordoley@msu.edu: 55 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 51 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 35 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 28 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 24 bugs closed. kfv101@psu.edu: 23 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 21 bugs closed. james@daa.com.au: 18 bugs closed. iain@ximian.com: 17 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 16 bugs closed. srittau@jroger.in-berlin.de: 15 bugs closed. jacob@ximian.com: 14 bugs closed. There is no new and updated software listing this week. The new software map registers every change to the application entry which means that the script generating a list of new releases generated a huge list as maintainers have been updating their entries for the new map as this activity goes back to normal the new and updated software list will be back. The cvs stats and bug hunting stats are for last week only. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B8B182E0 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMfMe22624; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:41:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt Havoc From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB101925E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMgWB22628; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Devin Baker Pratt Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Terminal bell properties References: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Devin Baker Pratt writes: > I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is > annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I > found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn > down the volume. > It's in the keyboard applet (for no good reason really - it's the "keyboard bell" if you stretch things I guess). Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 18:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6C11928F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2JNXjY02298 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:46 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Reply-To: Jeff Trefftzs From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:45 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all - A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is this problem already fixed? TIA, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 18:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B519297 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2JNdwL19145 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at least that i can see. anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be hacked, and what the values ought to be? thanks very much. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 19:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9F1192A3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2K0GR708889; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:27 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: Message from dep of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 EST." <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:26 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi dep - They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed RH-7.1 system. HTH, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 19:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD7E18267 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K0PbJ19442 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> In-Reply-To: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed | RH-7.1 system. that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jverel@optonline.net Tue Mar 19 20:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B97180E2 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2K1x2O02729; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Jeff Trefftzs Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020319205902.B2140@Verdi> References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Have you tried rxvt? John On 03/19/02, 03:33:45PM -0800, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and > would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is > this problem already fixed? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From dachristy@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 21:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4E91812A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust46.tnt3.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.124.46] helo=localhost.localdomain) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16nWDK-00017F-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 From: D Christy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | +----------------------------------------+ From bordoley@msu.edu Tue Mar 19 22:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071DE18112 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320033034.FXCA1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:30:34 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: D Christy Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:30:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. dave On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 21:52, D Christy wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 > dep wrote: > > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. > > > -- > ^----^ > (- 0) > +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ > | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | > | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | > | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | > +----------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 22:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD661829B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K3ZeC20153 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: another probably silly question Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: name newname and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing, everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. tia. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From pnelson@neatech.com Tue Mar 19 22:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F806187E1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW0R>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt ----------------->>>> Yeah I should have included them. I really just figured it was an old machine and that was causing my problems so I just used a different desktop and vncviewer (twm). However I would like to solved this if possible. So here are the errors that happen after startx is issued. 1. Ximian Doorman seg faults at process 1679 2. Panel seg faults at process 1736 Note that the doorman thing now tries to start every time before GNOME (or after not sure about the sequence, but prior to the desktop load) and this is because it fails. Here is the output of gdb: Made a file called gdbcmd.txt that consists of 2 lines: run --sync bt then ran the following command to produce the 2 files attached: 1. gdb panel -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> panel.txt 2>&1 2. gdb doorman -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> doorman.txt 2>&1 During the run of panel a box comes up saying that panel is already running do you want to start a new panel Yes or No. Selecting either lands same result. Is this enough info for ya? ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doorman.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doorman.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 208 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 #1 0x402360bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", = rowstride=3D2112, alpha=3D1, cmap=3D0x807d608) at = gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4023644e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x8126b60, = src=3D0x8126ab8,=20 cmap=3D0x807d608, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D528, height=3D42) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x0804d139 in _start () #4 0x0804d277 in _start () #5 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80886b0,=20 func=3D0x804d1a8 <_start+2216>, func_data=3D0x0, args=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x403060be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x81262d0, = signal=3D0xbfffdcb0,=20 object=3D0x80886b0, params=3D0xbfffdd10, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4030551f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x40337d3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x40337a21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at gtkbox.c:606 #12 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8088310,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8088310, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8088310, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x402e012e in gtk_notebook_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtknotebook.c:505 #17 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80880f0,=20 func=3D0x402e0004 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe480) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe480) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at gtkbox.c:606 #22 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8087cd0,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe820) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe820) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at gtkbox.c:606 #27 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8083400,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8083400, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8083400, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x4026f394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at gtkbin.c:133 #32 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80876b8,=20 func=3D0x4026f290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffef50) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffef50) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #36 0x40341d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #37 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #38 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #39 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #40 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #41 0x403419aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #42 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #43 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #44 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #45 0x403371c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #46 0x0804d934 in main () #47 0x40522306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x804d7b4
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x804bb54 <_init>, fini=3D0x80562a0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="panel.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="panel.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 172 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 #1 0x4035c0bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8150310,=20 pixels=3D0x8148600 "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/", rowstride=3D24, = alpha=3D0, cmap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4035c44e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x0, = src=3D0x8150238,=20 cmap=3D0x80d4938, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D7, height=3D7) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x080a1077 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #4 0x080a1209 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #5 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812b610,=20 func=3D0x80a11e8 , = func_data=3D0x0,=20 args=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x4042c0be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x80c0280, = signal=3D0xbfffe350,=20 object=3D0x812b610, params=3D0xbfffe3b0, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4042b51f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812b610, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812b610, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x4045dd3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x4045da21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x40403b4d in gtk_menu_shell_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkmenushell.c:357 #12 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812aa28,=20 func=3D0x40403a28 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe780) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe780) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x4039964d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at gtkbox.c:606 #17 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812a1a0,=20 func=3D0x40399534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x40395394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at gtkbin.c:133 #22 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129d78,=20 func=3D0x40395290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x40467d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #27 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff240) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff240) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x404679aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #32 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff630) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff630) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x4045d1c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #36 0x08066b97 in init_user_panels () #37 0x0805e53d in main () #38 0x4050c306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x805e288
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x8056eac <_init>, fini=3D0x80a8cb0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0-- From anand.subra@wipro.com Wed Mar 20 00:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AE418653 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2K5gKG15252 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:12:20 +0530 (IST) Received: from wipro.com ([127.0.0.1]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9BT000.S3B; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:11:24 +0530 From: "Anand Subramanian" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <196779196960.196960196779@wipro.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:24 +0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at > school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start > getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already > logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running > programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have > thatproblem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same > computers,with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Able to reproduce this *every* time I reboot my Red Hat Linux 7.1 box. I was startled initially when this problem occured. > Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? This problem persists, although I have the latest packages built from the CVS Can anyone please suggest a solution for this ? -Anand From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 00:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70586189C9 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2K5njn11091; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:49:45 -0800 Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: jverel@optonline.net Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 21:48:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 06:55, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. > You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it > should be fixed after the first such time. I did this on my parent's machine, it didn't help. > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then > login again. Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From paul.lewis@karachi.freeuk.com Wed Mar 20 01:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB561811C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from karachi.edinburgh ([62.252.152.39]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320060337.WKXT8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@karachi.edinburgh>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:03:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:05:20 +0000 From: Paul Lewis To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320060520.A3027@karachi.Edinburgh> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 00:25:37 +0000 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre3 Lines: 26 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 2002.03.20 00:25 dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > > -- > dep > -- Hi, I don't think it is parculiar to ximian. I can get to the panel properties dialogue (ximian Gnome), maybe it's a rights issue for your user. From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 20 01:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-2-19.oz.net [216.39.134.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D08718A3D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2K6KLW03274; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 Message-Id: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with or without the clock) as a regular old applet. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 01:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B760618C27 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320062359.VRGR2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:23:59 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 Message-Id: <1016605462.1356.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I should have been more clear, this is by design, but the design is broken. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:20, Travis Saling wrote: > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hongli@telekabel.nl Wed Mar 20 02:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEF718488 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020320072828.NLTP25529.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:28:28 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Hongli Lai To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 08:29:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1016609395.1240.1.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:25, dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > Are you clicking on the menu panel? The menu panel is very inflexible and doesn't have a Properties menu item. Other types of panels do have a Properties menu item and are very configurable. From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 03:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BD41827C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9KIB00.S08 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:23 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:54:54 +0100 Message-Id: <1016614494.13967.180.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I use). Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work ;o) -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it For every winner, there are dozens of losers. Odds are you're one of them. From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 04:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot15.cl.msu.edu (pilot15.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.35]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4F188BA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from msu.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by pilot15.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2K92Kc19524; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 EST To: Michele Campeotto , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. dave Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly changing based on what app your using. Michele Campeotto said: > Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to > configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I > use). > > Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there > already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it > is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). > Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html > > > P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting > his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work > ;o) > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > For every winner, there are dozens of losers. > Odds are you're one of them. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 04:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1540F1832D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9M4R00.00I for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:24:27 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:58 +0100 Message-Id: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to GNOME. > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > changing based on what app your using. I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that useful. I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window before being able to see its menu. Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden inside gconftool), though. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F118C79 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nevg-0001YO-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > least that i can see. > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > hacked, and what the values ought to be? There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I want it" or "I don't want it". The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one you have, you find it won't work. I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel is there you can kill off the original one.) Telsa From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4602183BD for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nfSj-0001ae-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 or thereabouts, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, > and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), > is this problem already fixed? I can't remember what the defaults are for RH 7.2 or for Gnome 1.4.1 as a whole because I changed them all. Click on Properties or Preferences or whatever it's called in the toolbar of the terminal. If you have removed the toolbar because it's a complete waste of space, control-right-click on the terminal to get to the Preferences dialogue. (You can get away with just right-clicking without the control key unless you have already done a left-click in that terminal, in which case it will assume the right-click is to complete the selection the left-click started.) There are four tabs in the preferences dialogue. The third is called Colours (or Colors to non-en_GB speakers :)). The second choice there is fore/background color (um. Even in en_GB. Bug there, I think :)). There's various black on white, white on black, green on black choices. If you select custom colours, you'll be able to play with the colour selector underneath, but you don't need to. Once you have selected black on white, play with the 'colour scheme' button, because the shades of black and white vary according to whether you pick rxvt, linux console or something different! (Does anyone know why this is?) Apply. Close. If you are using RH and want only monochrome, you may also want to turn off the color-ls facility that RH gives people by default. This is provided by /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh, which is in turn read by /etc/profile. You can either take the "I am the only person on this machine" approach and just delete the colorls.sh file, or you can add "unalias ls; unalias l.; unalias ll" into your .bash_profile or .bashrc (I forget which one :)) This will revert back to the nice old style of just the names in the expected foreground font. You can actually change the individual colours used for this, but I just remove the whole capability. I believe "dircolors" is what you'd need to look up to do that. It is very very much worth filing a bug on the colours of the default gnome-terminal: accessibility has become very important to GNOME and to the companies shipping it. So either RH's bugzilla (RHL 7.1/gnome-core) or GNOME's (gnome-core/gnome-terminal) will do. Both is good :) Telsa From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202181930B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320144939.VKBK1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:49:39 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: Michele Campeotto Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635778.1326.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The most inherit problem with this (beyond my personal disklike) is that it would break consistency with all non-gnome apps, since most all existing unix apps have "Windows" like behavior. Since this feature would be completely incompatible with existing unix programs (gtk 1.2, motif, qt), in my book it's a bad feature to even consider. This would not be something minor like changing button ordering to those used by macOS. It would be a complete paradigm switch. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 04:29, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. > > Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and > not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to > GNOME. > > > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > > changing based on what app your using. > > I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many > improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar > works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good > (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations > (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that > useful. > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden > inside gconftool), though. > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD218799 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320145050.EMDN2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:50:50 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 07:10, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > > least that i can see. > > > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > > hacked, and what the values ought to be? > > There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, > floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- > after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. > > All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu > panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I > want it" or "I don't want it". > > The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu > panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. > > I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to > remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one > you have, you find it won't work. > > I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom > (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things > you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel > is there you can kill off the original one.) > > Telsa > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE1192F2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA1QL00.P1Q for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:01:33 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto Reply-To: micampe@micampe.it To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:07:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official GNOME... --=20 -- Michele - www.micampe.it La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li abbiamo fatti. -- Goethe From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 10:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3611932E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320151307.FDYB2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:13:07 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think theres a bug on the click along the borde issue in bugzilla, might want to check that.=20 Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 10:07, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 >=20 > I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its > functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the > screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official > GNOME... >=20 > --=20 > -- Michele - www.micampe.it >=20 > La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li > abbiamo fatti. > -- Goethe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7D18261 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA2OO00.O24 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:22:00 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:27:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1016638055.13968.258.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 16:12, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix > alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. Yes, building the menu panel with applets has no drawbacks, IMO, provided it is done right. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Murphy's Technology Laws From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF321181EC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFSpj05797; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:28:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, This is useful, thanks. Can you also send me the output of "xpdyinfo"? Havoc From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397B3187BF for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFT9F08424; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 4 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Wed Mar 20 15:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-122.tcsn.net [63.174.82.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359B4193CE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2KKUZ102061 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:36 -0800 Message-Id: <200203202030.g2KKUZ102061@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? In-Reply-To: Message from hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 GMT." <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Telsa, and all who responded to my original post. I didn't want to start bugging RH if this was something fixed in later releases - and from my point of view it's enough to simply unalias all those color terminal aliases in my own .bashrc files. But from what you're saying, it's still the default, even in 7.2. So I will file bug reports in both places. Thanks to all who pointed out that it's just an alias problem. -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From in_rapture@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 15:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web10108.mail.yahoo.com (web10108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.58]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2431831A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020320204133.30554.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.4.27.247] by web10108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 PST Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hansen Subject: gnome-terminal not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just installed a fresh copy of Slackerware 8.0 and am having a bit of trouble with the gnome-terminal. When I use gdm to log onto the system, I can not use the gnome-terminal program. Whenever I try to start gnome-terminal the screen flashes for a split second and then closes. I get the same result every time I try to start gnome-terminal. This does NOT happen when I log in as root through gdm, or if I do not use gdm to log in. Any help or suggestions on how to trouble shoot this would be great. Rick Hansen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From jverel@optonline.net Wed Mar 20 19:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCA618440 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2L0b1W02896; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:00 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Erik Walthinsen Cc: jverel@optonline.net, "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net>; from omega@temple-baptist.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:48:46PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some > packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their > .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. > It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember > doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and up2date upgrade. Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 22:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1419369 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.4.3] (temple-baptist.com [216.99.217.68]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2L3Ttn31731; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:29:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: John P Verel Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 20:28:50 -0800 Message-Id: <1016684935.2558.6.camel@dell.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 16:37, John P Verel wrote: > You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at > least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common > pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and > up2date upgrade. It happened a lot more in the past, but various things still break even with the latest Ximian updates. > Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that > the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? /tmp files don't have any integrity, by definition. The problem is with the mechanisms the software uses to configure itself. An extreme example was the day I accidentally installed a few too many packages out of the GNOME 2.0 snapshots channel on both of my machines. When I next logged into the machines, the configuration was *completely* different, bearing not the slightlest resemblence to my 1.4 configuration. I'm hoping that a) this is because things are moving to GConf and b) no one's put effort into configuration-migration yet. All I can say is that if anyone here expects not to lose users in droves when they upgrade to GNOME 2.0 and find that they have to *completely* reconfigure everything to even remotely represent their old config, they are utterly deluding themselves. We (GNOME) can *NOT* ignore the problem of configuration migration. If an application or utility needs a different configuration mechanism, it cannot simply ignore old config files. If that means a migration utility that has plugins for each application in order to move config from 1.4 to 2.0, then that must be written. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From dep@drippingwithirony.com Wed Mar 20 23:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758D418405 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2L4hVE24503 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Danger! 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Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203202343.31601.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: to everyone, thanks very much for all your help. the solution had to do with it being a menu panel rather than a plain old panel. what i was up to is memorialized online, and the helpful members of this list are mentioned. it's here: http://www.linuxandmain.com/tech/xibretto.html thanks again. best, -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jal233@earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 10:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7FB18AFB for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from james?laska (AUTH plain) at bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com (HELO flatline.pok.ibm.com) (james?laska@129.42.208.182) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 15:39:04 -0000 Subject: gnome run dialog From: James A Laska To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 10:39:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1016725141.5722.4.camel@flatline.pok.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What is the status of the gnome run dialog. Where do I find what is being done for it, and by whom? I recently grabbed the new ximian gnome release (gnome-core-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2, gnome-core-devel-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2) and found that the gnome run dialog has changed. First, gnomecc no longer accepts my windows key mapping (Super_L and Super_R) when binding keys to the run and menu actions. Xmodmap has correctly mapped the modifiers and other applications (xev, sawfish) recognize the super_l and super_r modifiers. For some reason, gnome stopped recognizing these keys once I upgraded. Second, the gnome run dialog is a sub-process of the panel process? This was done to reduce the load up time correct? This also means that there is no other way to get tot he run dialog outside of a key mapping (as defined in $HOME/.gnome/panel). It would be nice to be able to call the run dialog from other programs (gkrellm, nautilus, etc...) (not sure if this is possible any more since it is part of `panel` -- perhaps a switch option to panel (i.e. `panel --gnome-run`)). It would also be nice to be able to move the gnome run panel button into submenu's (I can move it to drawers, but not to menus (I guess because it is an applet not a .desktop). If this is possible already, I haven't found how. Third, the new "Available Programs" interface is neat, but unnecessary for advanced users. Clicking on the "Advanced..." button should make the "Available Programs" listbox disappear. I'm not so sure the merging of the favorites menu into the "Available Programs" listbox was done correctly. Should merging be an option? I don't want my favorites merged into the system menus. Perhaps there could be a textbox in the gnomecc panel interface that allows the user to specify a comma delimited list of directories to merge? Following comments made in this post: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-October/msg01031.html is there any work being done on tab-completion and autorunning based on mime-type? Is this the correct forum to address the above concerns? Thanks in advance to any responders? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 11:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3108B1846B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LG5LG27221; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:51:11 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Weird alignment of panel components Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem: [Image] Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this pad. How do I realign this pad? TIA, Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495" --------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem:

Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this
pad. How do I realign this pad?

TIA,
Henry
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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
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gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 11:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1016728125.10020.36.camel@kinase.site.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, In order to get rid of the warning messages printed by java graphical applications, I have a line like this in my .gnomerc: xprop -root -remove _MOTIF_DEFAULT_BINDINGS however, this seems to working intermittently, calling xprop twice seems to solve the problem, can anybody explain why? Timing problem? Work around? Cheers, Marcel -- marcel turcotte, assistant professor, school of information technology and engineering, university of ottawa, 161 louis pasteur, p.o. box 450 station a, ottawa, ontario, k1n 6n5, canada, tel: (613) 562-5800 x6660 fax: (613) 562-5175, cby a-333-a, http://www.site.uottawa.ca/~turcotte From calum.benson@sun.com Thu Mar 21 12:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D141943B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08546 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2LH5Dx16659 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:14 GMT Message-ID: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:13 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Michele Campeotto wrote: > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? There are two issues I can think of: - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to do so :) So there would need to be some sort of hacky mechanism/setting built into the window manager to ensure focus wasn't given to other intermediate windows when you moved the pointer from the application window to the menu bar. (Sawfish can probably already deal with this with its plethora of settings, other GNOME-compliant window managers may not). - It's a pain when you're running on multiple screens, as many power users do-- even on a Mac with multiple screens, the global menu bar always appears on screen 1 (IIRC), which often isn't the one that your application window is on. This makes using the menus a pain. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 21 15:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157B21812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020321201642.JRQO1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components From: Hongli Lai To: Henry Katz Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > problem: > > [Image] > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > the panel they appear to the left of this > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > TIA, > Henry > -- Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 15:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165561869D for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LKr6G27430; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A44DD.E53FEABC@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:38:53 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hongli Lai Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > > problem: > > > > [Image] > > > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > > the panel they appear to the left of this > > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > > > TIA, > > Henry > > -- > > Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote:

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote:
> I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my
> problem:
>
> [Image]
>
> Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the
> panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
> foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to
> the panel they appear to the left of this
> pad. How do I realign this pad?
>
> TIA,
> Henry
> --

Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-)

Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option.

Henry

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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9-- From mail@stew.nu Thu Mar 21 16:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF601812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewcompaq (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2LLDBk30737 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:11 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> From: "stew" To: Subject: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. = It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. Thanks in advance, Stew ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,
 
I was wondering if there is a good = AVI-player for=20 Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5=20 codec.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Stew
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0-- From bordoley@msu.edu Thu Mar 21 16:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A25A189A7 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020321212424.GKST2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:24:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome From: David Bordoley To: stew Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> References: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1016745867.1329.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: If your running gnome2 you could try downloading and playing with gstplayer. Otherwise the only really good player is mplayer, but it's a bitch to setup, since you have to compile from source for legal reasons. dave On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:13, stew wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stew From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Thu Mar 21 17:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E4E185DA for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2LMDnr08019 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: another probably silly question From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 14:12:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1016748829.15451.3.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing as nobody else has responded, here's my 2 cents: The only gnome mail client I use is Evolution. While it appears to be an ``all-encompassing everything-but-blood-type pim'', it is componentized, so only those componenets you use are loaded into memory. It stores things in a database format, but my sense is that there may be an easy way to get the entries dumped into a flat text file. If you want to go that route, try the evolution list (evolution@ximian.com) Again, this is probably not the answer you were looking for, but it's the best answer I have off the top of my head. Hopefully it's better than nothing. Regards, Ben On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 19:35, dep wrote: > of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if=20 > there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: > name > newname >=20 > and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking=20 > for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing,=20 > everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. >=20 > tia. > --=20 > dep > -- > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. > -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8mlrTBQkCV8iOJocRAvhEAJwL/BK4bJwofOdhmzBndAWlEMYNogCfWyHe 3KBZ96zkmUJEshdBM+tckxA= =AhwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D-- From geoffrey@ticom.com Thu Mar 21 17:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (peengihn.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE32194F4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (mongo.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC90258E002 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C251A0016 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: GDM and sessreg From: geoffrey To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 Message-Id: <1016749597.19816.5.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm trying to get the sessions written to /var/log/wtmp with no luck. I have read the sessreg manpage and added the appropriate scripts to /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Presession/ and /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Postsession/. However, none of the X users show up when I do: w. So, what have I missed? How do I get GDM to log the sessions so that I can see them with w/who? I need logging to wtmp so that I can run idled. thanks for any and all clues. geoffrey -- this space intentionally left blank From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 21 17:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA2A187EF for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oB1M-0004Wp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com>; from calum.benson@sun.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > > before being able to see its menu. > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > There are two issues I can think of: > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to > do so :) You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! Telsa (proving Calum's point) From stanb@awod.com Thu Mar 21 19:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C36180D8 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA79809 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 54 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16oCjw-00023C-00 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:01:14 up 5 days, 7:06, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.59, 0.45 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > report. > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > entirly. > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > get work done. > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the night). I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory Gnome woody .debs Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). The WILL trash your panels. Hope that helps. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 19:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8A182CE for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M0gaG27675; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:28:21 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote: > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. Bollocks!! I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss. It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple of days to stop the memory creep. Henry > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote:
Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the
night).

I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow.

Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory
Gnome woody .debs

Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
The WILL trash your panels.

Hope that helps.

Bollocks!!

I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then
logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals
had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.

What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss.
It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple
of days to stop the memory creep.

Henry

 

--
"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
                                                -- Benjamin Franklin

--
 
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291D918156 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M14BU19425 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M14Ch73750; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when sawfish records the window's size. I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut down faster than the panel initializes.... So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing issues during session startup/shutdown. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394A188E5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M16WU19449 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M16Xx73802; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759193.71549.13.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:04, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might 256MB. evidently I'm having a bad math day... -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 21:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD021813C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M1xKG27736; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:45:13 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; > recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more > applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and eat up too much CPU.. > > busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets > dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs > looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. > > In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is > initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals > > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-) > > so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when > gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when > sawfish records the window's size. > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > down faster than the panel initializes.... Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing > issues during session startup/shutdown. Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE. Henry > > > -- > brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] > allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] > allbery@ece.cmu.edu > electrical and computer engineering > KF8NH > carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" > -ke6sls] > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote:
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote:
> > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
> > The WILL trash your panels.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
>
> Bollocks!!

Actually, no.  I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup;
recently I determined that it's a timing issue:  apparently one or more
applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too

Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the
window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and
eat up too much CPU..
 
busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets
dumping core.  At some point I may go digging through the applet libs
looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase.

In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is
initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings.

> When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was
> that two terminals
> had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal.  From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7
console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some
gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in
characters, or vice versa.  On a slower system I can even see the
windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes
them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two);

Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-)
 
so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when
gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when
sawfish records the window's size.

I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here:  GNOME is rather
memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup
times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic.  The extra 192MB might
conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut
down faster than the panel initializes....

Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory?
So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing
issues during session startup/shutdown.
Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE.

Henry
 

 

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--------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 21:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402ED18E86 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M2GFU19747; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M2GG274745; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Henry Katz Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); > > Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - > don't we all ;-) Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with synchronization"?) > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > > down faster than the panel initializes.... > > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? Don't know; since I run Ximian's 1.4 on Solaris and 1.4 from /usr/ports on FreeBSD, I haven't seen GNOME 2 in action at all yet. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 21 23:43:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B99181BD for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M4gEV00977; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Henry Katz Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Henry Katz writes: > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > There's slightly more base overhead for Hello, World, but some of the main components (namely Nautilus) use a lot less overall. The net effect of GNOME 2 (so far) is that it seems slightly faster/smaller, at least to me. Other people have said it seems slower. It probably depends on which specific app or widget you are clicking on to test. Havoc From stuart@bmsi.com Fri Mar 22 09:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E0180EF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (gathman [219.109.11.136]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2MEpXkZ011634; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Stuart D. Gathman" To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 21 Mar 2002, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to > the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window > manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. > > (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the > session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps > must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with > synchronization"?) I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. Doesn't gtk+ have a configuration framework that takes care of stuff like this? An old article titled "Worse is Better" described how it was very tricky to save kernel state across task switches when implementing a simple thing like 'read()'. Unix punted and simply returns a "Try Again" error code to let the application recover. What was not mentioned is that the "application" needn't deal with this. A wrapper around 'read()' can check for this error and retry as needed. All state is saved on the user mode stack. While it is easy to invent, too bad such a wrapper wasn't standardized (or did it miss it?). -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 10:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD49180DF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.41 #2) id 16oQrc-00021c-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:21:56 +0100 Subject: ORBit-2 - ORBit_ObjectKey  From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 16:05:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1016809514.31580.5.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, *object_key seems to be undetermined for decoded IOR-strings in ORBit2. Instead the CORBA_Object.object_key is used. typedef struct { IOP_Profile_info parent; gchar *unix_sock_path; CORBA_unsigned_short ipv6_port; ORBit_ObjectKey *object_key; } IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info; Why did you introduce object_key in IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info if it is not used. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 11:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A23E18111 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16oRkm-0006Co-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: IOR strings needed for testing From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 17:02:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1016812933.31622.20.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please, could you send me some IOR strings for testing my Gnome-IOR dump tool? Perhaps there are some IOR strings of GIOP and IIOP connections arround. Those IOR strings may be of other ORBs as Mico etc. Thanks in advance, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D8D18545 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.58.42.154.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.58.42.154] helo=there) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16oRpm-0003lX-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:24:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk, GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:23:29 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thursday 21 March 2002 04:26 pm, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when > > > changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having > > > to click on a window before being able to see its menu. > > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > > > There are two issues I can think of: > > > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously > > refuse to do so :) > > You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! > > Telsa (proving Calum's point) > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list Ditto!! -- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." -- Unknown From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 22 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8A187CF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oTdx-00065A-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com>; from henry.katz@iscs-i.COM on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > stan wrote: > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Please don't prove this true. > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to more like 10x10. > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have files going back to January 2000 there... > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > evidence of memory loss. I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for more people than just me though... Telsa From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Fri Mar 22 13:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2187A18198 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2MIj2G28226; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9B7859.F1384020@iscs-i.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one. > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time... > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... Mine only go back two months.. > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote:

I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one.
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes.
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
more like 10x10.
Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time...
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
files going back to January 2000 there...

Mine only go back two months..
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
more people than just me though...
Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup.

Henry
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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 22 14:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68891815D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2MIvq912212; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:57:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-X-Sender: arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Not here. -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > report. > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > entirly. > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > get work done. > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > were gone :-( > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > report on this? > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. > > From pausmith@nortelnetworks.com Sat Mar 23 03:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com [47.140.48.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C78180E5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com [47.140.192.58]) by zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N8BlF06650 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com (lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com [47.17.140.90]) by zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N88qs12225 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from psmith by lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16ogcl-00015Q-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: "Paul Smith" Reply-To: "Paul Smith" Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your username? After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password text etc.? I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). Debian Woody GDM 2.2.5.4-2 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. From stanb@awod.com Sat Mar 23 09:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699EC18867 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id JAA85701 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 93 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16omUh-00058k-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? Message-ID: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 09:18:08 up 14:02, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it that I'm setting up for my wife. I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer setings and all cahnels are set quite high. I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. Hw can I further troubleshoot this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From ermshta@ermshta.org Sat Mar 23 09:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp015.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca [207.96.216.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748A18A14 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from loflinan@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2NEsLi01206; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: loflinan set sender to ermshta@ermshta.org using -f Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? From: Jee Desjardins To: "Mailing List: Gnome" In-Reply-To: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1016895260.1138.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to help but I really don't know where to start. Jee Desjardins ermshta@ermshta.org On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. >=20 > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= r > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. >=20 > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= s. >=20 > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? >=20 > --=20 > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= =/n2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- From mail@stew.nu Sat Mar 23 12:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A9C18AEB for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewamd (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2NHecM04099 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c1d291$5a0e6bf0$0b00a8c0@stewamd> From: "Stew" To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Subject: Unsubsribe from this list? 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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1D299.B7F48850-- From mario.vukelic@chello.at Sat Mar 23 12:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from viefep11-int.chello.at (viefep11-int.chello.at [213.46.255.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CBD18ABC for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([213.47.79.152]) by viefep11-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020323174830.MVXU1155.viefep11-int.chello.at@localhost.localdomain> for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:48:30 +0100 Subject: Re: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: Mario Vukelic To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 18:45:38 +0100 Message-Id: <1016905538.4288.17.camel@sonic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:11, Paul Smith wrote: > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? Please go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org and report it, if it isn't yet -- I did not vote for the Austrian government From kreamer@954access.net Sat Mar 23 13:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 954access.net (unknown [216.235.105.201]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB718555 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from default [216.235.99.117] by 954access.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A377CF20136; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1d295$39de13e0$7563ebd8@default> From: "William Kreamer" To: References: <20020323170112.4F4CB18ADC@mail.gnome.org> Subject: Re: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Check two things: 1. See whether you have sound when you are logged in as user, and also as root. 2. See whether you have sound files in your user .gnome subdirectory. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:01 Subject: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs > Send gnome-list mailing list submissions to > gnome-list@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-list-request@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-list-admin@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk) > 2. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Henry Katz) > 3. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Arthur H. Johnson II) > 4. GDM: window resizing annoyance (Paul Smith) > 5. Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (stan) > 6. Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (Jee Desjardins) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 > From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > > night). > > > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Please don't prove this true. > > > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... > > > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > > evidence of memory loss. > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... > > Telsa > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 > From: Henry Katz > Organization: ISCS, Inc > To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an > English one. > > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > > more like 10x10. > > Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... > > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > > files going back to January 2000 there... > > Mine only go back two months.. > > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > > more people than just me though... > > Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say > that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. > > Henry > -- > > > > I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. > -Morpheus > > ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot > com > eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: >
I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time > trying to >
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited >
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
> Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with > an English one. >
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging > in sometimes. >
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to >
more like 10x10.
> Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... >
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, > gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. >
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. >

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix >
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a >
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have >
files going back to January 2000 there...

> Mine only go back two months.. >
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good > way to assess how >
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical >
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for >
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for >
more people than just me though...
> Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say >
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. >

Henry >
-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
  >
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said > it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, IncHenry Katz, ScMhenry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise718.268.3584www dot iscs-i dot com
> > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) > From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" > To: stan > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > Not here. > > -- > Arthur H. Johnson II > Senior Systems Engineer > The Linux Box > > E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu > URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu > Office: 734-761-4689 > Pager: 734-882-0323 > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > > report. > > > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > > entirly. > > > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > > get work done. > > > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > > were gone :-( > > > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > > report on this? > > > > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance > From: "Paul Smith" > Reply-To: "Paul Smith" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 > > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? > > After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly > smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? > Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password > text etc.? > > I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything > more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but > to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). > > > Debian Woody > GDM 2.2.5.4-2 > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools > "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 > From: stan > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > From: Jee Desjardins > To: "Mailing List: Gnome" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello, > I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I > can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I > mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome > games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... > > Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to > help but I really don't know where to start. > > Jee Desjardins > ermshta@ermshta.org > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > > that I'm setting up for my wife. > >=20 > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= > r > > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > >=20 > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= > s. > >=20 > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > >=20 > > --=20 > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > >=20 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb > Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= > =/n2b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > End of gnome-list Digest > From Matthew.Morgan@med.ge.com Sat Mar 23 15:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FED1818C for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-3 [3.159.236.67]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA15669 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uswaumsxbhmedge.med.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA09657 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by amermsx.med.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Weird Solaris behavior... Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so as a regular user I get an error message telling me that the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it needs to be 24. The message gives commands to try to make this happen but I haven't had any luck with them. Anybody else had a similar problem? I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps. - Matt Matthew Morgan matthew.morgan@med.ge.com 262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517 Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/ Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8.
 
I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so
as a regular user I get an error message telling me that
the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it
needs to be 24.
 
The message gives commands to try to make this happen
but I haven't had any luck with them.
 
Anybody else had a similar problem?
 
I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps.
 
- Matt

Matthew Morgan                
matthew.morgan@med.ge.com
262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517
Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/
Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ 

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Sun Mar 24 09:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6CA181BF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.94] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16p9Jh-0005vw-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:49:53 +0100 Subject: Gnome Repository GUI? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 15:32:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1016980358.1252.8.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is there a GUI for Gnome-Repositories, ie. Namingservice, Interface-Repository, GNOME Object Activation Directory, etc. Should this Gnome-Repository-GUI be embedded in Nautilus, should it be a standallone application?, or should it be a module of Webmin? Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From pnelson@neatech.com Sun Mar 24 18:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D995918102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:54 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) ----------------->>>> Sorry I just got my mail server back up after a disturbing crash... Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? ------------------------------------------------------ name of display: :0.0 version number: 11.0 vendor string: The XFree86 Project, Inc vendor release number: 3360 XFree86 version: 3.3.6 maximum request size: 4194300 bytes motion buffer size: 256 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 8, MSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 8, maximum 255 focus: window 0x1000010, revert to Parent number of extensions: 19 BIG-REQUESTS DOUBLE-BUFFER DPMS LBX MIT-SCREEN-SAVER MIT-SHM MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD RECORD SECURITY SHAPE SYNC XC-APPGROUP XC-MISC XFree86-DGA XFree86-Misc XFree86-VidModeExtension XInputExtension XKEYBOARD XTEST default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 640x480 pixels (217x163 millimeters) resolution: 75x75 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 4 root window id: 0x28 depth of root window: 4 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x24 default number of colormap cells: 16 preallocated pixels: black 0, white 1 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES largest cursor: 32x32 current input event mask: 0x5820bd KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask LeaveWindowMask PointerMotionHintMask ButtonMotionMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask number of visuals: 4 default visual id: 0x20 visual: visual id: 0x20 class: StaticColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x21 class: StaticGray depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: PseudoColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits ------------------------------------------------------ From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 24 22:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B7818102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2P3kjQ10486; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:46:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) Havoc From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Sun Mar 24 23:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDD1186EA for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu (allbery@VPN57.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.57]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2P3v6w05187; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:57:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Brandon S Allbery KF8NH To: "Stuart D. Gathman" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1017028623.18548.18.camel@pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:51, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize > if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that > a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. The problem with that is that you still have lots of applications all trying to talk to everything at the same time; this can lead to a "thundering herd" problem (like I suspect is happening with panel applets). Fixing it when you need to deal with gnome-session, gconfd, and a window manager all at the same time is harder than making gconfd serialize updates to gnome-session and the window manager, and then fixing *one* thundering herd. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hongli@telekabel.nl Mon Mar 25 02:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F7018176 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020325073442.DDWV1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:34:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Hongli Lai To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 25 Mar 2002 08:36:20 +0100 Message-Id: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. From calum.benson@sun.com Mon Mar 25 07:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE746180FC for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01013; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2PCnnx13507; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 GMT Message-ID: <3C9F1CED.8DCB6123@sun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: Weird Solaris behavior... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" wrote: > > I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. > > I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so > as a regular user I get an error message telling me that > the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it > needs to be 24. > > The message gives commands to try to make this happen > but I haven't had any luck with them. Not sure what the message you're seeing is suggesting you try, but there's also some information in the Sun FAQ that might help: http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/gnome14techfaq.html#25 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 25 15:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C0D180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Hongli Lai' , Havoc Pennington Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai wrote: ----------------->>>> > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. ----------------->>>> Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any suggestions? From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8B180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLm1F12744; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Hongli Lai Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai writes: > On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > > > Havoc > > I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. > 16 color, not 16 bit. It's 4 bits. Havoc From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8F218E89 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLmos12748; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "'Hongli Lai'" , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I > ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any > suggestions? Panel was changed to use gdk-pixbuf which is where the bug is. So the thing to do is file a gdk-pixbuf bug on bugzilla.gnome.org. Havoc From linuxadvocate@notwires.com Thu Mar 28 15:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.notwires.com (mail.notwires.com [66.147.132.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE319267 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Computer1 [10.10.1.139] by mail.notwires.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A88F7E1009C; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:09:51 -0600 Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed From: William Lamb To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 28 Mar 2002 14:16:50 -0600 Message-Id: <1017346610.2871.0.camel@computer1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is Polish and wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to make a convert to Linux. ;-) I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red Hat 7.2. My problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish characters to work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing between keyboard mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english installed on it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several different word processing programs and I still have not been able to produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters specific to the 8859-2 character set. Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? Thanks very much for your help, Bill Lamb Chicago, USA From nbruguier@gfi.fr Fri Mar 29 03:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gfi.fr (mail.gfi.fr [62.210.137.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06818C6B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [172.16.0.11] by gfi.fr [172.16.0.11] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:52 +0100 From: "NICOLAS BRUGUIER" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome 2 panel X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 172.16.0.11 X-Return-Path: nbruguier@gfi.fr X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: nbruguier@gfi.fr Message-Id: <20020329082555.DF06818C6B@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi For several years, i used gnome and recently i make jump to G2. I get and compiled it with cvs code. I would like put a question or to formulate a proposal about panel and it's menu. Why not implemented the menu with gconf instead .desktop files? That to largely improve its configuration for the user. I'll would like too thanks all gnome develloper for theirs excellent and good job. BRUGUIER Nicolas GFI Informatique nbruguier@gfi.fr From Janusz.Gorycki@intel.com Fri Mar 29 03:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hermes.fm.intel.com (fmr01.intel.com [192.55.52.18]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D77719363 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from talaria.fm.intel.com (talaria.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.39]) by hermes.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.36 2002/03/11 23:18:46 root Exp $) with ESMTP id g2T8Tf420247 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:41 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxv043-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.48.128]) by talaria.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.14 2002/03/05 23:31:08 root Exp $) with SMTP id g2T8TJt11727 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:19 GMT Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM ([132.233.42.29]) by fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002032900272302748 ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:27:23 -0800 Received: from alpha.igk.intel.com ([172.28.168.68]) by fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id H39X88B2; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:28:17 -0800 Received: by alpha.igk.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4L8K2NAM>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:50 +0100 Message-ID: <413FBB0BA5AED1119122000083234B1A01A459CA@alpha.igk.intel.com> From: "Gorycki, Janusz" To: "'William Lamb'" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am Polish and I used to have polish keyboard layout. First of all, there are two types of polish keyboard mappings: "standard", which nobody uses because it is awkward ("ported" from an ancient polish typewriter layout); and "programmer's", which is in common usage. In this mapping you get accented characters by pressing right "Alt" with a character key (a, e, s, c, n, o, l, z, x). I have just tried to reinstantiate polish keyboard on my machine. It is RedHat 7.0, but I don't think the procedure is any different on 7.2. I have noticed that just switching keyboard layout with GKB is not enough. You also have to set the LANG environment variable to pl_PL. As an added bonus, this also sets all your locale to polish (menu texts, dialog boxes, date format etc.) This works for me: 1. switch GKB to polish layout ("plain" polish, not "polish deadkeys" or "polish xkb keymap") - this gives you the "programmer's" layout 2. try running 'LANG=pl_PL emacs' or 'LANG=pl_PL gedit' from the terminal 3. if it works, put 'export LANG=pl_PL' in your './bash_profile' hope this helps marcin > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lamb [mailto:linuxadvocate@notwires.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:17 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed > > > I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is > Polish and > wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He > bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad > time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to > make a convert > to Linux. ;-) > > I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red > Hat 7.2. My > problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish > characters to > work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be > supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also > installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing > between keyboard > mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english > installed on > it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several > different word processing programs and I still have not been able to > produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters > specific to the > 8859-2 character set. > > Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this > up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs > do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the > accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? > > Thanks very much for your help, > > Bill Lamb > Chicago, USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua Fri Mar 29 08:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (unknown [195.66.192.167]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAC19407 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([172.16.42.211]) by Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2TD7YX05015; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:08:15 +0200 Message-Id: <200203291308.g2TD7YX05015@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" From: Denis Vlasenko Reply-To: vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua To: stan , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:06:45 -0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> In-Reply-To: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was wandering in my abandoned Gnome folder and... On 13 March 2002 21:38, stan wrote: > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 > yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( > > Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the > lead of out favorite software monoply. > > NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I > don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up > every thime. Stan, you even can't bother yourself with clean typing. How many typos are here? A dozen! No wonder you want Gnome developers to fix Gnome bugs but don't bother yourself to collect necessary data for useful report. For people of this type I suggest installing Windows. Or change your type. -- vda From cwlambert76@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 09:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B2C618548 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.123.189.37] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Lambert Subject: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... End of /MOTD command. cl1motorsports sets mode +i cl1motorsports You have been killed by sumo.solutionsfirst.net (<- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu])) Closing Link: cl1motorsports[~cl1motors@] (Killed (sumo.solutionsfirst.net (cl1motorsports <- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu]))) Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). Disconnected (). i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd running(i've managed to learn that much). any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance Charles Lambert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From plantiful@hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35291181CA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:44:35 -0800 Received: from 204.167.104.162 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:44:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.167.104.162] From: "Marc Plante" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2002 17:44:35.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E3C320:01C1D749] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be different). The KDE desktop works just fine. Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells for troubleshooting. Plantiful _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dachristy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 16:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C13E180E6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust105.tnt2.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.108.105] helo=localhost.localdomain) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16r3fN-00003B-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 From: D Christy To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: gedit not working X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gedit (and other editors have stopped working. When I try to open an existing file gedit reports that the 'file does not exist, do I waish to created it?', However I can use the built in viewer in GMC to view the file. Pico and Nano will open the text files but the contents is garbage. Any Ideas? -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo------------------------+ | David Christy || Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com || Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com || Sylpheed Claws 0.7.4 | +---------------------------------------------+ From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 29 17:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C761817B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16r4Rh-0004lK-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( Message-ID: <20020329220205.C16573@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>; from cwlambert76@yahoo.com on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 or thereabouts, Charles Lambert wrote: > i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... > i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd > running(i've managed to learn that much). any help > would be greatly appreciated. Try again. You just happened to pick a really bad time to try to join, I suspect: the irc.acc.umu.se IRC daemon was rebooted and I too had a period of not being able to connect before it would let me back on :) Telsa From Keizi@mail.co.kr Fri Mar 29 21:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44BE18169 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2U2bcS05077 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:38 +0900 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? Message-ID: <20020330023737.GC5068@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 16 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. my initial code does not stick to panel even, immediately quit after execution. I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string and got some lines of output. I have no data what this result mean. somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. I believe you can build the tarball. I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) thanks. From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 02:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6971F1811E for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-166.90.68.11.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([166.90.68.11] helo=there) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16rCqT-00044H-00; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:00:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: "Marc Plante" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:00:07 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 29 March 2002 11:44 am, Marc Plante wrote: > I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The > problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, > no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I > have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys > have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and > the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be > different). > > The KDE desktop works just fine. > > Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells > for troubleshooting. You probably already tried this, but just in case you didn't... Did you try to bring up the window manager (Sawfish, fvwm, or whichever one you're using) menu by clicking on the root screen? I've had a similar problem in that Gnome goes totally unresponsive upon logout -- but I've been able to start an xterm via the wm menu and kill gnome-session. -- "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." -- Unknown From kfv101@hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E51918480 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:04:44 -0800 Received: from 128.118.23.139 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:04:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.118.23.139] From: "Kevin Vandersloot" To: Keizi@mail.co.kr, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: note to develop gnome2 applet? Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 19:04:44.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0B40900:01C1D81D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Right now there are not any up-to-date documentation for writing GNOME2 applets. The place to first look is in gnome-panel/libpanel-applet/test-bonobo-applet which is a basic implementation of an applet. Regards, Kevin >From: Kang Jeong-Hee >To: gnome-list@gnome.org >Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 > >I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ >this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. > >but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. >my initial code does not stick to panel even, >immediately quit after execution. > >I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string >and got some lines of output. >I have no data what this result mean. > >somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. >I believe you can build the tarball. >I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) > >thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Keizi@mail.co.kr Sun Mar 31 10:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC49918491 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2VFrpV06031 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:51 +0900 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:49 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: launch applet on command line, not panel menu? Message-ID: <20020331155349.GA6008@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 9 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I've succeed to stick my applet to gnome2 panel. and now, I struggle to make a profit applet :) I wonder if there is a way to launch applet on command line, not panel menu which do not show me output of applet. or is there some file which log whole panel output? you may know what I'm saying. I really need debug info! From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20506.mail.yahoo.com (web20506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E909D183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed on your system? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 226FA183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. There are some things I would like to see. I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make a feature request is? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9419E183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162020.VYVM1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:20:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591628.1332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: bugzilla.gnome.org Please to make life easy on developers , only make one feature request per bug. Also please try gnome2 snapshots. Alot has changed since gnome 1.4 and your feature may have already been implemented. Gnome2 rocks i must say. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:12, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. > > There are some things I would like to see. > > I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make > a feature request is? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB73182D4 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162429.WBEX1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:24:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:08, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( > there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. > > Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed > on your system? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Sun Mar 31 12:22:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AC018709 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16rj3f-0000hA-00; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: David Bordoley Cc: Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? Message-ID: <20020331182359.D21545@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: David Bordoley , Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bordoley@msu.edu on Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 or thereabouts, David Bordoley wrote: > There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There > really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, > since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there > own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general > most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. I'd guess that the version number of gnome-core is about as good as you'll get. Telsa From bsimmons@ubtanet.com Thu Feb 28 20:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sage.ubtanet.com (sage.ubtanet.com [216.190.152.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39051180F0 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from simlap (wl11.ubtanet.com [216.198.98.11]) by sage.ubtanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA23797 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:23:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Brent Simmons" To: Subject: Installing on laptop Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0-- From SJPWongbulk@bigpond.com Fri Mar 1 00:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C31C183CE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: From localhost.localdomain ([129.94.15.52] == max515052.servers.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) By tone With Smtp ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:24:39 +1100 From: Simon Wong To: Gnome List Date: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:18 +1100 Subject: Re: Installing on laptop In-Reply-To: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> References: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1014960250.3256.33.camel@lonewolf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:05, Brent Simmons wrote: > Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. Whenever I > start the GUI it fails and says no monitor found. Where do I edit the > video card/monitor settings for Gnome? They are actually X settings so in an xterm run Xconfigurator(?) as root and see if that helps. Otherwise you may have to edit the XF86Config-4 file directly. -- ************** * Simon Wong * ************** From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE0A19A35 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:08 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:08.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[8364ED40:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: geoffrey [mailto:geoffrey@ticom.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 15:38, Staven Bruce wrote: > > Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for > > everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a > > lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, > > we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come > > up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our > > servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! >Okay, these are servers we are talking about. Why are they running X and >a wm/Desktop Environment anyway? Servers need only a console - >especially if you plan to expose them to the Internet! Reason for not >using KDE (or GNOME for that matter) on your **servers**: they shouldn't >be running a gui in the first place!! Now, running the ltsp setup is a >different matter altogether. > >geoffrey >-- >No .sig If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. Thoughts? _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:25:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A6F19CC5 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:48 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA96A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:48.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4D3A20:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks for this Adam! - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District voice. (559) 230-6049 fax. (559) 221-4270 e-mail. staven.bruce@valleyair.org -----Original Message----- From: Adam Williams6 [mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:51 PM To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info >Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for >everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a >lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, >we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come >up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our >servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! 1. By default all of the Redhat really-slick-tools are available from Nautilus in GNOME 2. In my experience KDE has lots of problems in multi-user enviroments and experiences strange lock ups. Of course, on the server console you only have one user, but it is troubling none the less. 3. GNOME (IMHO) is simply more future focused. Yes, CORBA, Bonobo, GNOME-db, etc... have taken a l-o-n-g time to mature, but I think in GNOME 2 these things will really start to take off. CORBA based admin tools and such can theortetically at least make admining multiple servers alot easier. And imagine being able to write script that harness the power of things like Gnumeric and so periodically e-mail you a nice graph of system performance. 4. You can load lots of scripts into Nautilus so M$-weenie admins can do things like grep logs with a right-click. You'll never get these guys to actually learn how something works. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Ximian GNOME, Evolution, LTSP, and RedHat Linux + LVM & XFS ----------------------------------------------------------- From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 12:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA2918951 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id MAA39475 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 205 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gr8Y-0003kC-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:46:45 up 2 days, 17:09, 1 user, load average: 0.73, 0.68, 0.79 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? If so, how? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From bordoley@msu.edu Fri Mar 1 13:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96798184CC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020301182012.GRNN2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:20:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: David Bordoley To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 13:20:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. dave On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:48, stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 14:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B31181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21Jfxp01447; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:41:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: RE: GNOME info From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 11:41:58 -0800 Message-Id: <1015011718.1393.5.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think the GUI itself is unnecessary on a server, but (as I think someone already mentioned) some of the X/Gnome apps can be really handy. I must admit that I am not using gedit anymore though. I put nedit on the server - the context highlighting is really handy when I'm trying to tweak a CGI script. (Please don't try to sell me on gvim) ;-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 15:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC126181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id OAA93650 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 307 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gtD8-0004Lv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:00:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:57 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 14:49:36 up 2 days, 19:12, 1 user, load average: 1.26, 0.47, 0.33 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file browswer, right) enter inot this picture. Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 15:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA7F18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gtKc-0007Nz-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:08:42 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: RE: GNOME info] From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 20:54:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1015012487.6193.6.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Forwarded Message----- From: Frank Rehberger To: Staven Bruce Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: 01 Mar 2002 17:30:03 +0100 On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 16:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as > I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. > Thoughts? how about remote admin tools like http://www.webmin.com they only need a tiny webserver, per machine, nothing else. As much as I know webmin is quite popular. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Fri Mar 1 15:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us (sip-11a.usol.com [63.64.148.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200B18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from amavis by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with scanned-ok (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3k-0005G2-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:16 -0500 Received: from smiddle.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us ([192.168.6.76]) by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3j-0005Fr-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 15:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1015013384.22671.7.camel@smiddle> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 15:00, stan wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > > > > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. > > Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? It's just like in Windows, how Explorer draws the icons/background on your desktop. Nautilus is needed to handle the icons, and for technical reasons, it has to handle the background as well (in order to properly draw the icons on it). As for the interactions, its fairly simple. X Windows handles the actual hardware interface - it does the actual drawing and keyboard/mouse input. The Windows Manager (Sawfish) draws the window borders and placement of windows and the virtual desktops (which are more or less just collections of windows). The desktop manager (Nautilus) handles the background and icons, along with your basic file management. Everything else you see is generally just a different application designed for a particular purpose (panels, etc.) Sean Etc. > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From geoffrey@ticom.com Fri Mar 1 15:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E72183FC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (host214-148.discord.birch.net [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4C758E002; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D51A0010; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: GNOME info From: geoffrey To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 Message-Id: <1015014443.26994.7.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 09:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which,= at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are y= ou > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, = as > I find it an intersting alternative, Yes. I am suggesting having no X Windows on the servers at all, just a terminal console. It takes less overhead resources this way, and doesn't open you up to remote Xsession attacks either. Yes, I know X can be told "-nolisten tcp", but that's just a bandaid. > however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lo= st. > Thoughts? Well, the suggestion of webmin was a pretty good one for that situation. Not to be difficult, but can't MCSEs learn something new and useful once in a while? Must everything be "point, click, and drool"?! Just whining because I've heard too many NT admins complain that *NIX it too hard to learn. Didn't any of your NT admins every use DOS? tell them it's just like DOS, but more powerful! Enough power to shoot off your foot or bulk porno emails. geoffrey --=20 no .sig --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8f+Qrsye+UmmwPgQRAiB9AKDkBTvuRPDiKT62TPnxQC4ZQpL08QCdEDUp ESrR8mbPEjXh6UN2fQQsZWo= =0a/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 16:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459AB18A2C for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gun1-0002G0-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:42:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 22:28:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1015018092.6579.1.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 21:00, stan wrote: > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. For orientation this dependency graph of Gnome-2.0 might help http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/notes/depends.png Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 1 17:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD73180F2 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.64.144.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([209.244.64.144] helo=pegasus) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16gvdn-0004M0-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:36:39 -0800 Message-ID: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> From: "Bob Giesen" To: , "Christian Seberino" References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:36:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I put X 4.2 on my Slackware and it seemed to get X working. > > I don't know if that is the reason why gdm and kdm > ALWAYS load twm no matter what I choose from menu!!! > I chose GNOME lots of times and I always get twm!!! > > There is no .xsession, .xinitrc or any other .x* files > in my home directory except .Xauthority. > > STARTX **CAN** load GNOME FINE!!!! > > Please tell me how to debug gdm/kdm so that I can > use them instead of doing startx all the time. I don't use Linux, kdm, or gdm, but I have a hunch you might want to investigate if you haven't yet found the solution. I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the problem in the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed wm's worked. Btw, I also had to edit the wdm-config file, in the same directory, so that it properly reflected the window managers that I actually have installed on my machine. (These, in wdm-config, are the values that wdm uses for the selection-list that it presents in the login window.) Perhaps kdm and/or gdm has a similar config scheme... Hth... Bob From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 17:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2A180D7 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21MjGS02870; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 Message-Id: <1015022716.2525.8.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, > which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the > problem in the file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for > most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code > that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't > found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed > wm's worked. On RedHat systems these are in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. On Slack it may be different, but I bet if you search for gdm/Sessions you'll find it. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From tarozax404@earthlink.net Sun Mar 3 17:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E47193E5 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-239-207-84.oak.jps.net ([209.239.207.84] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16heat-0007VG-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3C823400.5060906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:32:32 -0800 From: Taro Fukunaga User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020219 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm and ssh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: After I set up sshd, I can't type anyting in gdm's greeter. My touchpad mouse works howerver. Here are my settings: 1) In /etc/rc.conf I set sshd=YES 2) In /etc/sshd.conf I set X11Forwarding Yes On startup I have verified that public and private keys were generated and placed in /etc. I am running gdm 2.2.0 in NetBSD 1.5.2 with XFree86 4.2.0 If anyone has any suggestions I would like to know. Taro From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 05:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99518327 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24ASLe08973 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:58:21 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG2DP00.OT3 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:57:25 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:05:31 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Clarification reqd on Panel menu customization thru Nautilus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Can any one make me clear, the way how nautilus helps in customizing the Panel menu(gnome 2.0). when trying to customize the panel menu by using Nautilus thru "Edit menus" option, i am able to add a new Menu item but not able to add any functionality to the same. Nautilus is neither allowing me to map the excutable nor edit the name of the added item. In what way it reads the .desktop files and pops up the menu awaiting responses -- Mayurnath Puli From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 06:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334D51928F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24BJ7e19235 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:49:07 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG4Q900.AU6 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:48:09 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:56:15 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi , Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. thanks and regards, -- Mayurnath Puli From jeeva_o_s@yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 14:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD1DD18119 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020304192033.60794.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.80.234.75] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:20:33 PST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeeva Chelladhurai Subject: right click not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I downloaded gnome 1.4 (unsupported version) for solaris intel from sun.com. Right click on the panel does nothing. Did anybody faced this problem before. How to do I get the right click working? Thanks in advance Jeeva. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From psaravanan@7hillsys.com Mon Mar 4 16:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net (unknown [64.14.239.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B20185FB for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net.pugmarks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g24Kf7G08822 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:41:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Saravanan Organization: Intellisys Technology LLC X-Originating-Ip: 64.13.176.2 X-Note: Latest version at http://EmuMail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Saravanan Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:41:07 GMT X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen X-Webmail-User: psaravanan@7hillsys.com Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. Regards Saravanan Palanichami --------------------------------------------------------- This message sent using EMUmail -- http://www.emumail.com --------------------------------------------------------- Jumping through hoops to get E-mail on the road? You've got two choices: Join the circus, or use MollyMail. Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 4 17:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4C18EC0 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g24MHo031983; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Saravanan Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen References: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 04 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Saravanan writes: > I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login > dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application > that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application > executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never > be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. > Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see > anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the > mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But > unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or > keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen > saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. > I think you want to use "xset" or edit your XF86Config. See "man xset" and "man XF86Config" and look at stuff related to "blank" or "screen blanking" or "DPMS" or "screensaver" Havoc From mike@vee.net Mon Mar 4 18:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from carme.recalldesign.com (carme.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.5]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D6E1930A for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from io.internal.recalldesign.com (mail.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.150]) by carme.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NB7e48676 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Received: from vee.net (polarlander.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.252]) by io.internal.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NNGo61674 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Message-ID: <3C8401E4.7050105@vee.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 From: Michael Gratton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020304 X-Accept-Language: en-au, en-gb, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: annoying Favourites menu "feature" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi there, I recently upgraded my Debian machines and Gnome was upgraded along the way - I'm now running gnome-panel 1.4.0.6. After doing so, I noticed the Favourites menu had gained a submenu: "Add from menu". I find this new menu *massively* annoynig - I use the Favourites menu for quick access to frequently used apps, and having the "Add from menu" item up the top a) breaks my muscle memory and b) takes a *long* time to load when the icons and menu structure has been paged out or freed. Is this the standard Gnome 1.4 behaviour, or is this a Debian thing? If it is standard for Gnome, is there any way to turn off this submenu, or at least move it down to the bottom so it's out of the way? Thanks, Mike. -- Mike Gratton , Leader in leachate production and transmission since 1976. From pauljohn@ku.edu Mon Mar 4 23:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF5185F7 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ku.edu (dv42m76.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.76.210]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2547ov08846; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3C8443DA.3090503@ku.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:04:42 -0600 From: Paul Johnson Reply-To: pauljohn@ku.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Random background images? How? References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030501010700020003050400" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Gnome/Sawfish is the limited because you can't assign different images to different workspaces. I also think nautilus is bad because it forces you to let it control your background if you want icons. How cruel. I use the Window Maker window manager, and it allows me what I want. The wmsetbg program in WindowMaker sets backgrounds, either for the default window or for specific workspaces. I have a script that randomly changes backgrounds, it is written in perl, and I've attached it for you. I call that script in a shell script: #!/bin/sh export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 2 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/sea /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 3 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/beach -D is the display. Most systems only have display 0.0, but mine has 1.0 as well. You probably should put 0.0 there. if you don't add a -w flag, it changes the background of the root workspaces. That is the default background, the one that shows on all workspaces unless you say otherwise. If you add a -w flag, it changes that background only. -d is the flag you use to tell it where your pictures are. It searches throughout that directory structure. If you want this to change on a schedule, use a cron job. I do, it is fine. stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn@ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground" #!/usr/bin/perl use File::Find; #to get all files under mainDir use Getopt::Std; # command line processing getopts("w:d:D:")|| die "Invalid argument\n"; if ($opt_w =~ /\D/) { die "w is not a digit";} @images = (); if ($opt_D) { $DIS = $opt_D; } else{ # $DIS = ":0.0" $DIS = $DISPLAY } if ( $opt_w ) { $workspace = $opt_w-1; } sub process_file{ $filename = $File::Find::name; if ( -f $filename ){ push(@images, $filename); } } if ( $opt_d ) { $basedir = $opt_d; } else{ $basedir = "$ENV{HOME}/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds"; } find(\&process_file, $basedir); srand; $index=int(rand(@images)); if ($opt_w){ print "\n On disply '$DIS' workspace $opt_w, the background image is now @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u','-w',"$workspace",' ', $images[$index]; } else{ print "\n On display $DIS, The background image of the root window is @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u',' ', $images[$index]; } --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground-README" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground-README" pjbackgrounds-README Paul Johnson Aug.27, 2000 I am a Gnome user, but vigorously resist the pressure to use Sawfish. One reason is the pleasant workspace picture capability of Window Maker and wmsetbg. Yesterday I worked on a perl script which can change the background, either for the default window or a particular workspace, and it will randomly select an image from a specified directory, OR ANY OF ITS SUBDIRECTORIES. If no directory is specified, it is taken from ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. I am modestly calling the perl program "pjbackground" and I've put it in my web site http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/WindowManagers. There is pjbackground, a readme file, and there is a file called pjbackground-shell that you can call from cron to automate this. Use it like this: 1. with no command line options: changes root window background to a picture anywhere in ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. $ pjbackground You should see output like so: The background image of the root window is /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdc99_0659_yosemite_ss.jpg 2. specify the workspace, use the default image directory. (note, I'm using the workspace number on the clip, not the internal workspace number, which is one smaller). $ pjbackground -w4 On workspace 4, the background image is now /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdcss_089_snow_leopard.jpg 3. Specify a root image directory and it will choose a random one for you: $ pjbackground -w4 -d /usr/local/share/Backgrounds Here is /usr/local/share/Backgrounds/canyon.jpg When I tried to run this program under cron, I ran into environment problems, and learned that cron runs without much environment. So instead of scheduling pjbackground directly, I schedule a shell script "pjbackground-shell" and it gets the job done. I just added this entry with "crontab -e" 0 * * * * /home/pauljohn/bin/pjbackground-shell to change the picture at the top of the hour in, for example, workspace 4. --------------030501010700020003050400-- From snickell@stanford.edu Tue Mar 5 06:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED51F19083 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (beauty.Stanford.EDU [128.12.60.110]) by smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25B3NH22687; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:03:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 From: Seth Nickell To: Mayurnath Puli Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Mar 2002 02:58:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1015325906.32182.31.camel@beauty> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 03:26, Mayurnath Puli wrote: > Hi , > Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no > favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really > helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the > same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like > "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. > > So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop > this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. The plan is to allow the user to edit the main menus through Nautilus. The vfolder menus should allow this, but they are somewhat buggy right now and still need to be fully worked out. -Seth From calum.benson@sun.com Tue Mar 5 09:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBDC1932A; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29554; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g25E3lu06491; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:03:48 GMT Message-ID: <3C84D043.8ED749@sun.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:03:47 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hig@gnome.org Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [HIG] Exit confirmation References: <1075.192.168.1.9.1014779907.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <2jsp7u4efshn36jpg8khm9pmfmt6hcbaik@4ax.com> <1014860959.22741.21.camel@beauty> <20020228202957.GA11114@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> <1014937129.7308.12.camel@beauty> <20020228232811.GA1204@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Tommi Komulainen wrote: > Now, as I see it, the idea with the exit confirmation dialog is that the > user has the last chance to avoid losing his work or data, which in this > case means his best game of tetris ever. But if there is no data to be > lost, is there any reason to ask for confirmation? If not, should the > guidelines recommend against such confirmations? Yes, I think that would be a good guideline to include. It would be helpful if you could file a bug against the HIG so we don't forget it. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Tue Mar 5 10:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3013182D0 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.131.145]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSI007DEAWL6Z@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:26:46 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:51:02 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: How to new a GnomeCanvasBpath object? 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--Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg)-- From dtuchler@earthlink.net Tue Mar 5 14:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from svc.slu.edu (ps-fax.slu.edu [165.134.36.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119A918A84 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [165.134.23.100] by SLU.EDU (PMDF V6.0-025 #38756) with ESMTP id <01KF04HAITA495NB4G@SLU.EDU> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:27:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:30:55 -0600 From: Dennis Tuchler Subject: Spell Checking To: Gnome List Message-id: <1015356655.871.8.camel@linux> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have gnome spell installed and it seems to work. It underlines misspelled words, but it does not provide alternatives nor does it allow me to add to the database. Question: How do I get alternative spellings from the application, and how do I add words to the spell checker? thanks dj tuchler From roddy@visual-ra.swmed.edu Tue Mar 5 16:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from visual-ra.swmed.edu (visual-ra.swmed.edu [129.112.25.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D611883E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from visual-ra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by visual-ra.swmed.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA08156 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:45:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: nautilus crashing Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:45:34 -0600 From: Roddy McColl Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The nautilus shell has suddenly started crashing on my system i.e. /usr/bin/nautilus. I am running RedHat 7.2. The version of nautilus is the one that came with 7.2 i.e 1.0.4-43. Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version of the binary and hope it works. TIA -roddy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Roddy McColl PhD roddy@mri.swmed.edu UT Southwestern (214) 648-2910 http://www-mri.swmed.edu/homes/roddy.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lauris@ximian.com Tue Mar 5 17:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B3019685 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (80-235-62-82-dsl.trt.estpak.ee [80.235.62.82]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76FD6EC52; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:10:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: Unable to compile gnome-print-0.34 From: Lauris Kaplinski To: Elardus Viljoen Cc: Gnome List In-Reply-To: <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> References: <3C7C8F2F.C9D19902@obsidianlabs.com> <1014808091.15000.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 06 Mar 2002 00:03:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1015365823.14674.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! Sorry, I was forced offline for some time... On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 08:07, Elardus Viljoen wrote: > I compiled freetype 2.0.7 with prefix set to /usr. The same prefix is > used when compiling gnome-print. > > libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so Hmmm... it is probably installed by XFree, but bad things can really happen, if different FT versions will be mixed. Although I think the XFree one will be not linked to build normally (but not sure...) Also your error happens in compiling, not linking/running phase, so the guilty party should be freetype-config, that does not set up correct include paths... > Hmmm ... the last line bugs me. On other workstations at work only the > first two libs are found... > > > What does > > > > freetype-config --cflags > > /usr/bin/freetype-config: line 104: syntax error: unexpected end of > file Hmmm... Now that is weird. > Should I attach the file in question (about 2K) on my next email? freetype-config? You can do that, although I am not expert neither in freetype nor shell/perl stuff. You can also check, whether you have different freetype-configs lying around (maybe from prev install). Also, what does it do without arguments? Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski > > > Hi! > > > > > > When compiling gnome-print-0.34 the following occurs: > > > > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > > > > usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 > > > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > > > -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\""/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/"\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\""/usr/lib"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\""/usr/share/locale"\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/bin"\" > > > -DDATADIR=\""/usr/share"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\""/usr/share/gnome/fonts"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\""/usr/etc/gnome/fonts"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -Wall -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c > > > rm -f .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../intl -I../intl -I/usr/include > > > -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 > > > -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\"/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -DBINDIR=\"/usr/bin\" > > > -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share\" -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\"/usr/share/gnome/fonts\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\"/usr/etc/gnome/fonts\" -s -O2 -march=i686 -Wall > > > -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > In file included from gnome-print-ps2.c:51: > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: parse error before `FT_Face' > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: warning: no semicolon at end > > > of struct or union > > > make[2]: *** [gnome-print-ps2.lo] Error 1 > > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34/libgnomeprint' > > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34' > > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > > > > > I get the same result when compiling both 0.35 and 0.32. > > -- > Regards. > Elardus > elardus@obsidianlabs.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 5 21:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F6618165 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g262d3v21832; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Roddy McColl Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: nautilus crashing References: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 05 Mar 2002 21:39:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Roddy McColl writes: > Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have > no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic > error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version > of the binary and hope it works. There are some experimental binaries at ftp://people.redhat.com/hp/gnomehide/ that may or may not help. Another thing to try is to get the Nautilus with debug symbols at http://people.redhat.com/hp/test-packages, install that, and then try running Nautilus in gdb. Just do "gdb nautilus" and type "backtrace" after the crash etc. You probably want to be sure Nautilus isn't in your session before fooling with gdb; open session-properties select Nautilus and click Remove. Havoc From Keelin.Boyle@Sun.COM Wed Mar 6 05:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC346180D9 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28938 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr-edub03-03 (sr-edub03-03 [129.156.237.102]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g26AxXu11242 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 GMT Message-Id: <200203061059.g26AxXu11242@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Keelin Boyle Reply-To: Keelin Boyle Subject: applet settings To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: dfp2m4sJ0IlHh2ljZuVnfQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm running Gnome-2.0 on Solaris and think I might be missing some settings for applets that need internet access like gweather, gnome-dictionary and stock ticker?. Currently can't get any to work, anyone any clues? cheers Keelin. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Wed Mar 6 16:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309AC182EF; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020306212639.PZLN355.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:39 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 06 Mar 2002 22:25:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1015449963.4814.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal 2. New GNOME Software Map 3. Evolution in the spotlight 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review 6. New Garnome out 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out 8. GUADEC registration online 9. Multimedia and Unix 10. Debugging with ORBit2 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore 12. Bug Day Reminder 13. Gman back from down under 14. Translated GNOME summaries 15. Hacker Activity 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity 17. New and Updated Software ============================================================== 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal -------------------------------------------------------------- The big news of last week was the deal between Sun, Ximian and Wipro to further accelerate GNOME development. This deal brings in a lot of new fulltime developers to GNOME working for WIPRO in India. Those who have followed GNOME development lists have probably seen the growing precense of WIPRO engineers there over the last couple of months. A huge thanks to SUN who is behind this deal. http://www.ximian.com/about_us/press_center/press_releases/sun_gnome2.html ============================================================== 2. New GNOME Software Map -------------------------------------------------------------- As many of you have been aware of the GNOME Software map have been in dire need of an upgrade for some time. Lack of administrative functions have lead to tons of duplicate registrations and trying to search for software by category has been a pain. Well we have a new software map in place now based on the Sourceforge map. This means that the entries in the software map will be much more informative and finding the software you want much easier. There is also a new Mini-Description field for each project, this is the field that will be used in the GNOME Summaries from now on. When writing in a Mini-Description for your project remember that information like that it is for GNOME or repeating the application name is redundant. If you are a project developer and for some reason has not gotten an account for your project, mail the webmaster@gnome.org and we will try and help you out. A huge thanks to Steve Fox for making this. http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ ============================================================== 3. Evolution in the spotlight -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxword had a couple of articles on Ximian and Evolution. The first article focus on Ximian as a company and discuss their strategies for getting more people onto the Linux desktop. The second article by Joe Barr is about his switch from Sylpheed to Evolution. http://www.linuxworld.com/ic_821913_6995_1-3134.html http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0222.evolution.html ============================================================== 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review -------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Valliere has done a review comparing the current browsers available on Linux. And it comes as no big suprise that Galeon once again is choosen as the favourite browser. Another feather in the hat for the Galeon team. http://www.robval.com/linux/2002/browsers.html ============================================================== 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxplanet has a review comparing current spreadsheets for Linux. Our own favourite Gnumeric gets very favourable remarks and comes in second only beaten by OpenCalc. With the GNOME 2 port of Gnumeric well underway I guess there is a good chance for the top spot the next time around. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4078/3/ ============================================================== 6. New Garnome out -------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Waugh's popular Garnome scripts had a new release this week. For those not familiar with Garnome it is a set of scripts that downloads and builds all of GNOME2 for you. This means Garnome is the easiest way to tesst the GNOME 2 betas. http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ ============================================================== 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out -------------------------------------------------------------- The activity on the multimedia front these days is simply amazing. New projects seems to be popping up daily to make sure we have the widest and best range of multimedia applications possible. Isak Savo made a new release of GNOME Subtitle editor this week. It is an application which let you edit or add subtitles to your divx movies. It is currently based on GNOME 1.x but a GNOME 2 port is planned in the near future. http://gsubedit.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 8. GUADEC registration online -------------------------------------------------------------- The GUADEC registration form is now online; please register as soon as you can. This form also allows you to apply for sponsorship if you need financial assistance to attend. Also for those who has not made travel arrangements yet you better get moving. Finding free hotel rooms and flights is already getting hard. http://www.guadec.org/submit/register.php ============================================================== 9. Multimedia and Unix -------------------------------------------------------------- I made two articles available last week on the topic of Multimedia on the Unix plattform. The first article is an attempt at summarising some of the core challenges we face in making Linux and Unix top knotch plattforms for doing serious multimedia development. The second article is by Chris Pirazzi and tells of some of the experiences that Chris made in regards to making Video libraries when at SGI. http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=215 http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=216 ============================================================== 10. Debugging with ORBit2 -------------------------------------------------------------- After I posted the link to the article discussing debugging CORBA applcations using Ethereal in the previous summary, Mark McLoughlin one of our brilliant ORBit developers contacted me to say that this is not needed when using ORBit2. ORBit2 contains functionality itself to do the same. For more info check out the 'how do I enable ORB debugging' entry in the ORBit2 FAQ. http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=ORBit2/docs/FAQ&rev=&root=/cvs/gno me ============================================================== 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore -------------------------------------------------------------- One of the nice features of the Nautilus filemanager is the support for scripting. If you are missing some functionality it is often not more than a couple of script lines away. To make things even easier a site has been set up to collect and distribute some of the nice Nautilus scripts already made. Check it out to find the script that changes your life. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~smueller/Nautilus-Scripts/ ============================================================== 12. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). If you don't like buggy software you really should come here and help out. ============================================================== 13. Gman back from down under -------------------------------------------------------------- To the great relief of the GNOME community Gman returned from his vacation to the land down under this week. Gman who has given Guinness beer a face in the GNOME community is reported to be boiling over with energy after his vacation. The Summary desk got a report in that Gman has said that he will outcode everyone else during the next month in preparation for GUADEC. If he fails he will pay for the beer of everyone who has more CVS commits than him during GUADEC. We where not able to reach Gman to get this confirmed before the Summary deadline. ============================================================== 14. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 15. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 122 gtk+ 121 gnucash 120 gnumeric 115 gnome-applets 75 evolution 71 galeon 70 nautilus 70 gimp 55 gnome-utils 53 gtkmm-root 43 pan 41 gnome-panel 40 gnome-media 35 profterm 34 glib 30 gnome-control-center 30 yelp 29 SashXB 28 gnome-i18n 28 gtranslator [138 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 158 pablo 106 minmax 80 owen 72 peticolas (gnucash) 68 chyla 56 stano 53 darin 48 menthos 48 jody 44 warlord (gnucash) 40 murrayc 39 olau 38 sebol 35 neo 35 kabalak 35 mortenw 34 hp 32 mmclouglin 32 rodrigo 30 chrisime [143 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6626 (In the last week: New: +900 Resolved: -807) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1225 (In the last week: New: +84 Resolved: -111) gnome-core: 439 (In the last week: New: +73 Resolved: -76) gtk+: 338 (In the last week: New: +69 Resolved: -83) gnome-vfs: 238 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -2) gnome-applets: 229 (In the last week: New: +31 Resolved: -42) gnome-pilot: 186 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -12) sawfish: 168 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -6) galeon: 156 (In the last week: New: +138 Resolved: -127) GIMP: 142 (In the last week: New: +37 Resolved: -4) gmc: 132 (In the last week: New: +10 Resolved: -0) gphoto: 129 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -0) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: +0 Resolved: -0) control-center: 110 (In the last week: New: +36 Resolved: -15) gnome-pim: 109 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -25) balsa: 95 (In the last week: New: +23 Resolved: -29) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: yaneti@declera.com: 96 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 75 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 73 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 60 bugs closed. clambin@easynet.be: 44 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 37 bugs closed. darin@bentspoon.com: 37 bugs closed. pawsa@theochem.kth.se: 29 bugs closed. cbiesinger@web.de: 24 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 21 bugs closed. jaka@gnu.org: 20 bugs closed. michael@technologyreview.org: 19 bugs closed. charles@rebelbase.com: 17 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 17 bugs closed. snickell@stanford.edu: 17 bugs closed. ============================================================== 17. New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- Wildcard - Program for renaming files. Balsa - Powerfull Email client gxsm - Graphical interface for 2D/3D data visualisation and aquisitation Nova - Free Integrated Observational Environment Gnewspost - Frontend to newspost the NTTP binary newsposter. BEAST/BSE - framework for all sorts of music composition, sequencing and synthesis tasks. conc - Conc is a serial console concentrator package. gmmusic - A music collection database File Roller - An archive manager gtktalog - Easily browse a CDROM database. Guikachu - for graphical editing of resource files for PalmOS-based gnome-db - Database access for GNOME applications Encompass - A lightweight Web Browser using GtkHTML. glade-- - Backend for glade to create C++ sources. gtranslator - Comfortable po file editor GNOME Subtitle Editor - For edititing/manipulating and converting DivX subtitles. linphone - Web-phone. It lets you make two-party phone calls. gcompris - A simple education game. gnome-crystal - Light model visualizer for crystal structures. David - C and C++ code editor GnomeMeeting - Video conferencing software gnome-vfs - Virtual File system gtkmm2 - C++ interface to GTK+ 2.0 polyXmass - Define brand new GTablature - Tablatures (guitar partitions) editor and player GnoSens - Simple HW monitor for gnome panel Sound Monitor applet - A panel applet that shows a vu meter, scope, or a spectrum analyzer Gtkdial - Frontend to the wvdial intelligent PPP dialer Gnotide - Gnotide is a tidal analysis software. For more information on these packages visit the GNOME Software map: http://www.gnome.org/applist/listrecent.php3 Another great week with lots of stuff happening. But next week will be even grander with a new GNOME beta and a new GStreamer release, so stay tuned. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From philippe.defert@cern.ch Thu Mar 7 03:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.cern.ch (smtp3.cern.ch [137.138.131.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B6180E9 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gnuisance.cern.ch (IDENT:defert@gnuisance.cern.ch [137.138.33.85]) by smtp3.cern.ch (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g278g2Ul003029; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:42:02 +0100 (MET) Subject: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Philippe DEFERT To: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 09:42:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at startup. Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? Thanks for your help. Amicalement. Philippe From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 7 04:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20766186CF for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020307090749.XUXH24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:07:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Hongli Lai To: Philippe DEFERT Cc: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> References: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 10:08:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1015492124.1257.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 09:42, Philippe DEFERT wrote: > > I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome > libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of > mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on > Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at > startup. > > Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for > the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with > gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? > > Thanks for your help. > Amicalement. > Philippe > Try install Galeon 1.1.x. It provides a Nautilus viewer component, so you can use Galeon in Nautilus instead of that crappy Mozilla view. :-) From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Thu Mar 7 04:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324818160 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16iu5x-0003Kr-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: keyboard no work when start gdm automatically (non-automatic ok...) Message-ID: <20020307012153.A12822@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Linux on VMWARE on Windoze can run GNOME.... If I start gdm after I login myself then all is fine. If I add gdm to rc.local so done automatically then keyboard doesn't print characters in gdm when I try to type username and passwd. Why gdm autostart doesn't read keyboard anymore? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From bordoley@pilot.msu.edu Thu Mar 7 12:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (pilot22.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B8E18322 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bordoley@localhost) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id g27H6bH31532 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200203071706.g27H6bH31532@pilot22.cl.msu.edu> Subject: gnome 1.41, where is it? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: "David Adam Bordoley" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anyone know when 1.41 will be released. It would be nice to get this out, as it looks like gnome2 is going to be delayed a bit. dave From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Thu Mar 7 13:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC8218FF7 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g27IU9GN004819 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:30:07 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010008070408000002010303" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010008070408000002010303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pawel Salek wrote: > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). 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(5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:03:22.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[83CD6FE0:01C1C61B] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop icons. I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from happening again ?] Thanks, Staven - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 7 16:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579F1989B for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g27L98t09975; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 07 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: >=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious circular-dependency reasons. =20 Havoc From erik@bagfors.nu Thu Mar 7 16:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from detrius.engohol.se (h107n2fls32o808.telia.com [213.67.249.107]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B6E18549 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by detrius.engohol.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B86B1BD8; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E5gfors?= To: Havoc Pennington Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 07 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1015535832.5545.26.camel@detrius> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 22:09, Havoc Pennington wrote: >=20 > R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: > >=20 > > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > > Why it has been abandonned ? > > >=20 > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious > circular-dependency reasons. > =20 So.. will it be used in gnome2? /Erik --=20 Erik B=E5gfors | erik@bagfors.nu Supporter of free software | GSM +46 733 279 273 fingerprint: 6666 A85B 95D3 D26B 296B 6C60 4F32 2C0B 693D 6E32 From michaelv@cox-internet.com Thu Mar 7 18:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from europa.cox-internet.com (europa-cox.cox-internet.com [208.180.118.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131E918253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdm-208-134-146 ([208.180.134.146]) by europa.cox-internet.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 180e1de7f543f89455b24e508f9cca39) with ESMTP id <20020307230916.VERZ4641.europa@cdm-208-134-146>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Michael Vanderford To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 07 Mar 2002 17:11:35 -0600 Message-Id: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: Pawel Salek wrote: =20 > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support=20 > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely=20 > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the=20 > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have an= y=20 > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list =20 The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location= =20 menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). Why it has been abandonned ? =20 --=20 -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- =20 =20 I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need for it not to be. Not the other way around. IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for GNOME is less than desirable. _______________________ Michael Vanderford email: michaelv@cox-internet.com web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv _______________________ --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, Rémi Cohen-Scali wrote: 
Pawel Salek wrote:

>
> On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
>
>> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector
>> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in 
>> 1.3.15, why is that?
>> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till
>> now
>> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but
>> produtive and user friendly
>
>
> I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present 
> GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support 
> and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely 
> productive.
>
> The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the 
> filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any 
> "user friendly" ideas.
>
> -pawel
> _______________________________________________
> gnome-devel-list mailing list
> gnome-devel-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list

The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location 
menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO).
Why it has been abandonned ?

-- 
                                                          -o)
                   Remi Cohen-Scali                       /\\
<Remi@Cohen-Scali.com>          <rcoscali@rcsnet.net>    _\_v
                                                         ----
I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need
for it not to be. Not the other way around.
IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for
GNOME is less than desirable.
_______________________
Michael Vanderford

email: michaelv@cox-internet.com
web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv
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--=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30-- From frank.rehberger@web.de Thu Mar 7 18:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899D18253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g27NIxv31499; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Message-Id: <200203072319.g27NIxv31499@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: To: "GnomeMaillingList" , "StavenBruce" Subject: Re: Newbie Question Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Staven Bruce schrieb am 07.03.02: > I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 > GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I > had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. > > I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When > I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. > I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the > GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons > were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the > same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, > however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as > ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop > icons. > > I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how > to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from > happening again ?] I asume you changed the name of your machine while Gnome-session was running. I had the same experience with Gnome-1.x The problem might be some session files that are bound to machine-id. Regards, Frank ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Nummer, die sich jeder merkt: Ihre 01212 Wunschrufnummer von WEB.DE! Jetzt sichern: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=990001 From bighead@users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 8 00:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [203.94.254.140]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED21818920 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g285F2Y20024; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f To: Michael Vanderford Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Archit Baweja Date: 08 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 In-Reply-To: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Message-ID: Lines: 76 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? Archit Baweja Michael Vanderford writes: > On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: >=20 > Pawel Salek wrote: >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > > > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector > >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 > >> 1.3.15, why is that? > >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till > >> now > >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but > >> produtive and user friendly > > > > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support= =20 > > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetel= y=20 > > productive. > > > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the= =20 > > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have = any=20 > > "user friendly" ideas. > > > > -pawel > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-devel-list mailing list > > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list >=20=20=20=20=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a locati= on=20 > menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? >=20=20=20=20=20 > --=20 > -o) > Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ > _\_v > ---- >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is > a special need > for it not to be. Not the other way around. > IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, > The one for > GNOME is less than desirable. > _______________________ > Michael Vanderford >=20 > email: michaelv@cox-internet.com > web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv > _______________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8iEjV2rWNPKmGjMcRAsf7AJ9IksVDNRHon+DyYlilOlvBGf3fCwCfbQBR pQWm6Ytq04SY/fFT/7kjACM=3D =3D7ViU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andoylinux@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 00:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pop.jadephil.net (unknown [203.167.110.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192A4182D9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from yahoo.com (unknown [202.164.191.229]) by pop.jadephil.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2960239 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:42:32 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0800 From: Andres Montiel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome does not close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. What could I do to solve this dilemma? - Andres Montiel From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 02:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4524B18342 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.19] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:09:59 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:59 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: background color in gnome-canvas To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi everyone! In my program i am using gnome-canvas. and i want to set the background color of the canvas to a particular color. how can i do that? if someone can help me out..?? thankx Vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Fri Mar 8 03:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD561837C for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g288Jgr11688 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Gnome does not close From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 08 Mar 2002 00:19:41 -0800 Message-Id: <1015575582.26582.25.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 21:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE a= s my=20 > window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome.=20 > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't clo= se.=20 > I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. >=20 > What could I do to solve this dilemma? What's the exact behavior? You choose `exit' (from the menu?), then you get a ``are you sure you want to exit?'' dialog(?) Then you click OK(?) then what? --Ben --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8iHQcBQkCV8iOJocRApzxAJ9fTMvMd994B83+EHnZpZVaX+whGACeIV1U g8x6FkjQ/bWCZBPuN9h8078= =qFm8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV-- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Fri Mar 8 04:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39B1867B for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p192-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.29.192] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jGni-0002Ww-00 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:36:34 +1300 Message-ID: <3C888642.2CA8244@inet.net.nz> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:37:06 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm not working after 8.1 updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I cannot login to gnome with gdm after putting in some MDK 8.1 updates with Red Carpet, it only has default & failsafe listed, if i choose default it loads KDE. I changed to runlevel 3, run "startx gnome" but it starts IceWM. I have only downloaded Red Carpet, Ximian Gnome will be next. How do i get gdm working properly again ? The updates I put in with Red Carpet caused the problem when i booted next day. Updates with Red Carpet on Mar 6 : aspell-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm aspell-en_GB-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm bind-utils-9.2.0-0.rc3.2mdk.i586.rpm ftp-client-krb5-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm krb5-libs-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm libaspell10-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libcups1-1.1.10-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libldap2-2.0.21-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libogg0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.3.i586.rpm libpspell4-0.12.2-2.1mdk.i586.rpm libsnmp0-4.2.3-1.1mdk.i586.rpm procmail-3.22-1.1mdk.i586.rpm xchat-1.8.7-1.1mdk.i586.rpm From syslog: Mar 7 20:29:46 localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/ File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost mandrake_everytime: Building Window Manager Sessions failed These only showed on the first boot (after updates), nothing on next reboots. I also put in these on Mar 8: Mar 8 01:02 control-center-1.4.0.2-9.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:07 dpsftplib-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:08 libdpsftp4-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:47 libvorbis0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:48 perl-GTK-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-GdkImlib-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Glade-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Gnome-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:31 util-linux-2.11h-3.1mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:46 xmms-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-esd-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-gnome-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-mikmod-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm They made no difference. Outer updates i did days earlier at a terminal: at-3.1.8-4.1mdk.i586.rpm enscript-1.6.1-22.1mdk.i586.rpm expect-8.3.3-9.1mdk.i586.rpm flex-2.5.4a-17.1mdk.i586.rpm glibc-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm gnupg-1.0.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm groff-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm groff-for-man-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm gzip-1.2.4a-9.1mdk.i586.rpm htdig-3.2.0-0.5mdk.i586.rpm initscripts-6.27-10.4mdk.i586.rpm iptables-1.2.4-1.1mdk.i586.rpm ldconfig-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libgtop1-1.0.12-4.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-clients-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm passwd-0.64.1-9.1mdk.i586.rpm rsync-2.4.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm slocate-2.6-1.1mdk.i586.rpm There were no problems with these. Thanks for any help you can offer. Dex From bootsy52@gmx.net Fri Mar 8 05:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E7418DE5 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12405 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Received: from pd953cc83.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO gmx.net) (217.83.204.131) by mail.gmx.net (mp008-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3C889619.20607@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:44:41 +0100 From: Carsten Menke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020202 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > Were you running Netscape ? Sometimes, when Gnome runs for over a week and Netscape as it is behaved to Netscape, crashed, it tooks a long time to log out. But Gnome definitley logs out. It only takes some time. Carsten From gnome@lambic.co.uk Fri Mar 8 07:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5AC18E68 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([24.201.134.71]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSNO0Q01.IUY for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:22 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020308125803.1C5AC18E68@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On March 8, 2002 05:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as > my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't > close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. I have the same problem in Mandrake 8.1. I usually switch to a console and kill stuff until Gnome eventually logs out. I haven't narrowed down exactly what is causing the problem but I think it might have something to do with KDE apps running under Gnome. From esoteric@3times25.net Fri Mar 8 08:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBBC184AA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC212A11; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:08:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:08:38 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andres Montiel Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless you've already attempted this. Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From hp@redhat.com Fri Mar 8 12:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0693C18B36 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g28HGbX15235; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Archit Baweja Cc: Michael Vanderford , =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 08 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Archit Baweja writes: > > I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 > release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? > There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. Havoc From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Fri Mar 8 13:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AE718972 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g28HarGN032686; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3C88F6B3.8000801@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:36:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Archit Baweja , Michael Vanderford , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: >Archit Baweja writes: > >>I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 >>release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? >> > >There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. > >Havoc > But for gnome 1.4 is it possible to correct bugs and make changes on GnomeFileSelector bonobo component ? If yes I could have some to post to improve its useability in galeon (the only application I know it is used in for now). -- -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Sat Mar 9 05:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C0181BF for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p353-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.30.99] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jeRJ-0001cd-00 for ; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:01 +1300 Message-ID: <3C89E938.10A41D9B@inet.net.nz> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:36 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gdm not working after 8.1 updates ---> Fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Sorry i thought it was using gdm. The right way to change from kdm to gdm is to create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop with this content: #!/bin/sh export DISPLAYMANAGER="Gnome" That fixed it, but why did the updates brake kdm! Thanks for your help. Have a happy day. Ed From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 02:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23A7182BF for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jyDK-0004Vw-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:57:55 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: Geoffrey , Andres Montiel Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:56:54 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> In-Reply-To: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 08 March 2002 07:08 am, Geoffrey wrote: > At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really > because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent > upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. > I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a > minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and > give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless > you've already attempted this. > > Andres Montiel wrote: > > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and > > choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. > > Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I > > choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? I've been meaning to write about this. I often have the same problem and I'm using FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE. What I have happening is that I click on the taskbar|logout button and gnome just freezes. The panels at the bottom and top of the screen remain, but become totally unresponsive. I haven't waited over a minute, but I think that's a bit much -- especially when I have already quit all the applications I've started in my login session. Fortunately, Gnome doesn't kill the window manager when this happens, so I just use my window manager's root-screen menu to start an xterm, through which I kill gnome-session. (Fwiw, I've used Sawfish wm when Gnome's had this behavior.) In regard to a previous helper's post, I do use Netscape, though I'm not sure if I've used it every time that my Gnome session won't close. I do know this: it hasn't happened after Netscape crashed, because Netscape has never crashed on my system. (That, incidentally, is precisely what made me try FreeBSD a few years ago: Netscape kept bringing my Linux box to its knees.) -- "I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it." -- Harry S. Truman (1884 - 1972) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE8189F9 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00BI10B3HQ@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:16:17 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:41:14 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: background color in gnome-canvas To: Vivek Singhal Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <003601c1c80f$574467d0$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi, you can simply change the style of the widget. Do that as following: GdkColor bgcolor=your_color_here(); GtkStyle * style; GtkStyle * defstyle; GtkWidget * widget=your_widget_here(); defstyle=gtk_widget_get_default_style(); style=gtk_style_copy(defstyle); style->bg[GTK_STATE_NORMAL]=bgcolor; gtk_widget_set_style(widget, style); Note do not modify the default style of widget derectly, you should modiy the copy of it. Kevin From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 03:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B38B180EE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jygy-0000IL-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:28:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: chiara zaniboni , gnome-list Subject: Re: Mouse cursor Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:27:31 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> In-Reply-To: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday 25 February 2002 10:01 am, chiara zaniboni wrote: > Hallo! > It is possible to change the shape of the mouse cursor to have the > clock and not the arrow? > Thank-you! Try these (and you don't have to be root): $ xsetroot -cursor_name clock $ xsetroot -cursor_name watch This one will set it back to the arrow: $ xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -- "Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83281816E for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00B030YFIM@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:30:16 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:55:13 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: compiled ORBit2? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ÕâÊÇ MIME ¸ñʽµÄ¾ßÓкܶಿ·ÖÏûÏ¢¡£ --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? thanks! --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend?
thanks!
--Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)-- From ermshta@ermshta.org Sun Mar 10 03:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D11815D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca ([216.209.174.37]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020310084627.WOCM1234.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:27 -0500 Subject: sounds From: Jee To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 10 Mar 2002 03:46:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? Jee Desjardins P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8ix1h1y89fXtyeSYRAvUpAJ9GuI4aVGy77JbegalLiEaSLD8WvQCgochf vrsKLvcqSsG36wHj3i+4k0c= =6LSs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3-- From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 10 19:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-44.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.45]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A40E18A34 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from u.washington.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2B0JHf04697 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:16 -0800 From: Travis Saling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome mailing list Subject: Ximian's mozilla packages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Is there a trick to getting LDAP enabled in the Mozilla address book (Ximian's 0.9.8 packages)? I haven't used Mozilla Mail for a while; but Evolution can be dog slow at times so I'm (perhaps temporarilly) switching back. Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Any advice or ideas would be appreciated. I have the following RPMs installed: mozilla-xmlterm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-devel-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-psm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-mail-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From mads.randstoft@tellabs.com Mon Mar 11 03:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mx4.tellabs.com (mx4.tellabs.com [204.68.180.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3001C182F9 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (mxdk.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.74.16]) by mx4.tellabs.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACQ05331; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com (pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.110.113]) by mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25059; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:15:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Ximian's mozilla packages From: Mads Randstoft To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Travis Saling In-Reply-To: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> References: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 09:20:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1015834867.831.3.camel@pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 01:19, Travis Saling wrote: Hello! > Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - > but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Works fine for me... Setting Address Autocompletion to "Directory server" And setting scope to "Subtree"... -- Codito, Ergo Sum -- Mads Randstoft Development Engineer Tellabs Copenhagen ============================================================ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ============================================================ From klaus.dahlke@gmx.de Mon Mar 11 17:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EC721822A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22834 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Received: from p508b0719.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.139.7.25) by mail.gmx.net (mp011-rz3) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Subject: compiling Guppi-0.40.3 From: Klaus Dahlke To: gnome-list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 23:31:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015885871.1178.3.camel@p49979> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I tried to compile Guppi-0.40.3 and it fails with: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I. -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"libguppiuseful\" -DGUPPI_PREFIX=\"/app/gnome\" -DGUPPI_PLUGINS=\"/app/gnome/lib/guppi/plug-ins/0.40.3\" -DGUPPI_PIXMAPS=\"/app/gnome/share/pixmaps/guppi\" -DGUPPI_SCRIPTS=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/scripts\" -DGUPPI_GLADE_DIR=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/glade\" -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -Wall -Wunused -c guppi-file.c -fPIC -DPIC -o guppi-file.o guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_getc': guppi-file.c:169: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgetc' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_gets': guppi-file.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgets' guppi-file.c:179: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_peek': guppi-file.c:185: `z_off_t' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:185: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once guppi-file.c:185: for each function it appears in.) guppi-file.c:185: parse error before `where' guppi-file.c:192: `where' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:192: warning: implicit declaration of function `gztell' guppi-file.c:194: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzseek' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_rewind': guppi-file.c:223: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzrewind' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_eof': guppi-file.c:245: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzeof' make[3]: *** [guppi-file.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src/libguppiuseful' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 The Makfile was created by './configure --prefix=/app/gnome --enable-sluggish-linking'. Guppi-0.40.2 could be compiled. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Klaus From don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Tue Mar 12 15:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (heneryhawk.csgsystems.com [205.144.146.213]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B9B186B5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from foghorn.csgsystems.com (foghorn [205.144.147.166]) by heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKTvop028500 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from doud01-linux (doud01-linux.csgsystems.com [10.1.39.173] (may be forged)) by foghorn.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKSvX3008059 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:28:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:30:11 -0600 From: Don Doumakes To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Mounting home directory Message-ID: <20020312143011.A985@doud01-linux.csgsystems.com> Reply-To: don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.0 Lines: 23 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really like using the loop-AES encrypted filesystem function in the new RedHat. It lets me take an encrypted file, mount it as a loopback device, and presto, I have access to my private data. I also like GNOME. I want to use the two at the same time. Here's how I accomplish that now: I log in at a text prompt, then manually mount my encrypted loopback filesystem using my own home directory as a mount point. (This way everything in my home directory tree, including GNOME configuration, browser history, etc., can be stored securely when I'm not around.) I then manually start X. Works great. I should be satisfied, but nooooooo. What I'd prefer to do, is boot into init level 5 and log in from a graphical prompt. At that point, I can pop open a terminal window and manually mount the encrypted file system as before. But this breaks GNOME, or appears to do so: e.g., I can't open another terminal window until I unmount the encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to get GNOME to reread its configuration without logging out? (Or is there a better question to ask?) -- Don Doumakes From jirka@zinc.5z.com Tue Mar 12 18:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zinc.5z.com (zinc.5z.com [64.23.60.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C184E182CF; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by zinc.5z.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g2CNloT23716; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:55:05 -0800 From: George To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Subject: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release Message-ID: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> Mail-Followup-To: George , gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: THISISTHEENDMYONLYFRIENDTHEEND Yes, I completely forgot to make a new release when I should have, so here it is anyway to fix my mistake. A few important fixes are in, so I'd suggest upgrading. Yes, I have been very lazy at doing this maintainer stuff recently due to the aquisition of a little bit more life then I had previously. Not to mention that I now have to like ... work ... and not on GNOME :) And now for the standard part of the release announcement: Ahh, so you have no clue what gdm is? Well if you've read this far ... let's not get into that. Gdm is GNOME Display Manager, the little daemon that lets you log in to your computer. It allows xdmcp multiple login displays, selection of languages, multiple login sessions and generally is much cooler then any xdm clone out there, mostly cuz it isn't an xdm clone to begin with. I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore. News: ===== Highlights of 2.2.5.5: - Security: Unknown users are treated just like bad authentication - Increase welcome string limit to 2048 for long welcome messages, though you should really be careful with such large sizes - Fixed typos (Karsten Weiss, me) - Documentation updates (Pablo Saratxaga) - Translation updates (Abel Cheung, Pablo Saratxaga, Alexander Shopov, Kjartan Maraas, Stanislav Visnovsky, Tőivo Leedjärv, Zbigniew Chyla, Christian Meyer, Karsten Weiss, Christian Rose, Duarte Loreto, Christophe Merlet, Ole Laursen, GNOME PL Team, P. Cholakov, T. Buyukliev) Note: Gdm2 was originally written by Martin K. Petersen , and is now maintained by the Queen of England. Although when she's not answering her email I usually cover for her. Note2: If installing from the tarball do note that make install overwrites most of the setup files, all except gdm.conf and gnomerc. It will however save backups with the .orig extension first. Note3: Distributors, packagers. Please, PLEASE use the standard Gnome script when setting things up as gnome, or at least equivalently working scripts. It should never be OK to just exec gnome-session, that is considered bad form. The script needs to read (if available) the ~/.gnomerc and otherwise read the /gdm/gnomerc file. This allows users and administrators to setup custom startup for gnome. Downloading: ============ ftp://ftp.5z.com/pub/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/sources/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/i386/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/SRPMS/gdm/ This should also be available at some point: http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/alpha/gdm/ Have fun, George PS: I AM THE WALRUS!!! -- George Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From mike@redtux.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 12 21:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (redtux.demon.co.uk [158.152.117.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36718162 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mike by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ky7F-0001me-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? From: mike To: gnome In-Reply-To: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Message-Id: <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-10 at 08:55, kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn wrote: > When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? > thanks! missing glibconfig.h - are you using checkinstall I had this problem too From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Wed Mar 13 02:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC61B18202 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.143.130]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSW00E64HVJ5I@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:49:06 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? To: mike Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <000601c1ca63$8e56c9b0$828f42da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: thanks for your helping, my glib version is not correct that time. now i have installed glib-1.3.15 and added it to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and run ldconfig, after that, configure successed, but when complied, gcc reported undefined to "g_string_spintf", what's wrong? thanks a lot! From jacob@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 11:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (209-6-26-174.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com [209.6.26.174]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227671815F; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jacob@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DGoVh02508; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jacob set sender to jacob@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release From: jacob berkman To: Rodney Dawes Cc: gnome-hackers , gnome-announce , gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk In-Reply-To: <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> References: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:50:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1016038230.2217.3.camel@wet-pants> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 11:04, Rodney Dawes wrote: > #!@XML_I18N_TOOLS_PERL@ -w > > That doesn't look right... shouldn't these be the new scripts, ie, ones > that expand @INTLTOOL_*@? "Bad, Bad Maintainer" indeed. ;) actually it doesn't matter. jacob -- From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 13:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5215C1818C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id NAA14856 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:04:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 310 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lD8a-0007AQ-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:51:13 up 17:46, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've been playing around trying to do useful work in a Gnome environment for several years now. I'm presently building a debian "woody" machine as a replacement for a HP-IX box that has been my primary workstation for 8+ years. I ran Vue on it, and it has _NEVER_ crashed or lost my configs. Also all of it's configs are stored in ASCII files, so it's easy to clone/backup my user environment. I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care to remember. Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular basis? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 13:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FC118BA1 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936012A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Next point, one word, backup? -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From glynn.foster@sun.com Wed Mar 13 13:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF561894E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28857; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdelab6 (cdelab6 [129.156.226.206]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2DIJKx08976; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:19:20 GMT Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Glynn Foster To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 18:13:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1016043211.27639.381.camel@cdelab6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, It will if you start hacking on it and making it stable instead of whinging ;) See ya, Glynn :) From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 13:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F33319272 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DIPZb02350; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 Message-Id: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with good results. I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then unpack the tarball. Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. Sorry not to offer more specific help. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From arthur@linuxbox.nu Wed Mar 13 14:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039A418594 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2DJGBZ06001; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:16:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no problems. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > > Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so > I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not > saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends > troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I > find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases > the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making > sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. > > Sorry not to offer more specific help. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From yves_kurz@web.de Wed Mar 13 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (smtp.datacomm.ch [212.40.5.52]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154019061 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-252-117-glattbrugg2.tiscalinet.ch [212.254.252.117]) by flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DJVX626928 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Yves Kurz To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Mar 2002 20:31:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space left on this device and logout... thats all... yves From tklistaddr@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu Wed Mar 13 14:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu (keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu [129.49.19.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5218153 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from keittlab-6.keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu ([192.168.1.6] helo=keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu ident=tkeitt) by keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lEZX-0000Tp-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Received: by keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Timothy H. Keitt" To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. T. From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 14:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCC41194F3 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4831 invoked by uid 1013); 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: "Timothy H. Keitt" Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a chance, they are working on it. -Josh ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 14:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3094C194F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DJuYd02690; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 Message-Id: <1016049394.1789.59.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > . However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). I'm not really arguing your point, but - I don't fully trust ANY system to save my configs or data, not just Gnome. Also, I'm in the habit of manually tweaking the configuration files directly; I don't think it's necessarily reasonable to expect Gnome to always handle that gracefully. THAT'S why I back it up. :-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 16:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D004618CDC for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DL2EB13948 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em if they know about 'em. On the other hand, users who see the same problems coming up over and over again but can't be bothered to expend the minimal time it takes to file bug reports should not be surprised if the bugs are still there. Cheers, John From culthero@culthero.info Wed Mar 13 16:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A8518CF4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from darthvader.culthero.info (cm254.81.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.81.254]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id ABN10476; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313133504.00b23290@24.234.52.66> X-Sender: culthero%culthero.info@24.234.52.66 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:35:29 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cult Hero Subject: Re: sounds In-Reply-To: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have this same problem. Slackware package install. Slackware manual source install. Gentoo portage install. Every single time I install Gnome I have this problem and I can NEVER get an answer. I've seen the question asked on multiple message boards but no one ever answers. This has got to be a fairly common problem. Does ANYONE know the answer!? At 03:46 AM 3/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play >sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] >doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? > >Jee Desjardins >P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something >about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --- "There's no difference between me and everyone else. All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day." - The Joker From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57132 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 6 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIBm-0000uX-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > >basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > > Next point, one word, backup? > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to begin restoring. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DF518D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57743 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 102 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIDL-0000v1-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 From: stan To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233123.GB3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 08:31:32PM +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space > left on this device and logout... thats all... > That's not what cause _any_ of the destructions I have seen. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0DC18D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58196 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 182 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIEc-0000vL-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:41 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233241.GC3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:25:35AM -0800, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > The fact that you feel obligated to do that speaks volumes for the stability of the Gnome evniroment. IMHO. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B5018D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58670 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 267 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIG0-0000vn-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:07 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running > Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no > problems. > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA59973 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 184 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIJm-0000yK-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:38:03PM -0500, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > > good results. > > > > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian > problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about > this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have > bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) > This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been > focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic > when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ > leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll > have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the lead of out favorite software monoply. NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up every thime. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6FE18577 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA60499 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 263 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIL3-0000yi-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 11:56:01AM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues > are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such > a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their > configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of > different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a > chance, they are working on it. > Look hte point I'm trying to make is that, unless we can get to the point where we _don't_ trash user's configs, then we are no bettor off that the peple using m$. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA091878A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA61657 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 101 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIO2-00010q-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > if they know about 'em. The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug report. My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater entirly. But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually get work done. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 19:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E00B18482 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85F12A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8FEA11.7060501@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > >>stan wrote: >> >> >>>Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work >>>in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular >>>basis? >>> >>Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. >> I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development >>environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying >>it doesn't happen. >> >>Next point, one word, backup? >> >> > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. Pretty simple, backup the whole ,gnome dir, and drop it back in place. > > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 19:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC3C193AD for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA74918; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 169 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIyL-0001IK-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 From: stan To: Josh Steiner Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Josh Steiner , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:14:45 up 1 day, 9 min, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.54, 0.28 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > OK, 2 things here. 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still store config data in (yuck) binary files? 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any progress has been made in this area in several years. Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar with these stnadrds till it meets them. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 19:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F96193F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=awesomeplay.com) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lJ5h-0006dq-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 Received: from 207.75.135.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user elanthis) by mail.awesomeplay.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Sean Middleditch" To: In-Reply-To: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have >> no problems. >> > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right now? ~,^ > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 20:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5D0B18556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10329 invoked by uid 1013); 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > > > OK, 2 things here. > > 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? > What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still > store config data in (yuck) binary files? here is an older paper describing it: http://developer.gnome.org/feature/archive/gconf/gconf.html it has multiple storage backends, including the possiblity for having all your preferences saved on a server, which i really look forward to. > 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing > the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for > real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any > progress has been made in this area in several years. > > Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard > for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure > of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success > of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar > with these stnadrds till it meets them. I beleive Gconf was really introduced around 1.4, but most applications still use the old .gnome/* configuration system, Gnome 2.0 has ported most of the applications to the new system which will be muich more maintanable from both the application developer perspective (so you will see less loss of setting with software updates in the future) and from the sysadmin perspective (you wont need to figure out each systems individul config file quirks). This issue is being addressed. ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 20:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E3318556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2E1Qwf07620 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? Best regards, John From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 20:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F1218556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id UAA05118; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 203 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lK3O-0001p8-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 From: stan To: Sean Middleditch Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 20:25:03 up 1 day, 1:20, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.30, 0.22 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for mine, self destrucing. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. 3. Edit original. 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From iain@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 20:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5472018D9B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8912 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost.localdomain) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: iain To: stan Cc: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ximian, Inc X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Mar 2002 02:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. No it's not. To create the copy, you need twice the space. iain -- "Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself" - Leo Tolstoy. From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 21:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F31956B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lLHc-0006qV-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:48:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Mar 2002 21:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1015987879.4552.6.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 20:29, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for > mine, self destrucing. Ah, OK then. "My bad." > > > > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > > now? ~,^ > > > > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. > However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. Um, that's rather convoluted, and error-prone. The solution I mentioned is the exact same one used, for example, when modifying the /etc/passwd file with vipasswd (or any other such program). It ensures that (at least) no errors occur during the writing of the new passwd file, and that there is always a valid copy (either the old or the new) in place at /etc/passwd, at all times (since the rename is atomic). Of course, as you said, that won't fix whatever causes your GNOME config file mishaps, but it might help those with disk-space errors (especially when .gnome-errors decides to fill up your disk space because some core GNOME component goes crazy ;-) Sean Etc. > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From stuart@bmsi.com Wed Mar 13 22:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B307A19586 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmsaix.bmsi.com (bmsaix [219.109.11.9]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34FkY016872 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:15 -0500 Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (IDENT:root@gathman.bmsi.com [219.109.11.136]) by bmsaix.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34Chw026544 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:13 -0500 Received: from bmsi.com (IDENT:stuart@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gathman.bmsi.com (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g2E2wPc01342 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9011D0.F1579ED0@bmsi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 From: "Stuart D. Gathman" Organization: Business Management Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome mysteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 with Ximian Gnome on several machines from laptop to desktop. 1) On most machines, the GDM login screen blanks the screen after a time out. This is a great feature, and works for remote X terminals and LTSP as well as local video. However, my home machine, running same versions of RPMS, does not blank screen at GDM login. Screen blank does work on text consoles, and for logged in GUI users. It also works for a connected X Terminal (running on 486!). Why does this not work for this one machine? It has Intel Pentium 200, 80M RAM, 15G disk, ATI Mach32 video. 2) I use the Gnome weather applet. On most machines, it works great. On my home machine, it displays the sun symbol, but not the temperature. The configuration is the same in all cases. It gets wierder. On the *same* home machine, it works for everyone elses login. It only doesn't work for my login. I have compared the config files, and they are all identical. Curiously, if I look at my config file, the temperature is there - properly fetched from the web site. It is just not displayed! 3) I use the RedHat PPP applet. It worked fine in RH6.2. In RH7.2, it still works mostly fine, except that after connecting the applet still shows the interface as not connected. If I right click and edit properties, and change the interface selection to another interface then back to the same interface, the display will right itself. This seems like a straitforward bug. 4) Occasionally, for no reason that I can determine (there is plenty of disk space), some part of my Gnome setup is gone when I log in. There were no errors displayed when logging out previously, and no errors in /var/log/messages. For instance, sometimes GMC is gone, and I have to add it back to the session properties. When I logged in this evening, Gnome Panel was gone. I right clicked on the desktop to get a terminal and ran "panel" from the shell, and it came up and added itself back to the session properties. Sometimes, applets disappear from the Panel. For instance, the weather applet disappeared this morning, and the task list and/or desk guide often disappear. It is easy, but a nuisance to add them back. -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From mike@mjv.com Wed Mar 13 22:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from IMGate.wtsonline.net (imgate.wtsonline.net [63.64.122.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741A41957E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from comanchetx.com (mail.comanchetx.com [63.64.122.61]) by IMGate.wtsonline.net (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id EC92B5D1DF for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:08:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mjv.com [65.201.66.47] by comanchetx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37DB7250254; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:05:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C901C14.7070803@mjv.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:42:12 -0600 From: Mike Vanecek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Agreed. I've been using Gnome for over three years as my standard desk-top both at my computer business and at home. Never have I had it totally crater on me - and I beat up on it pretty hard with alpha level software, my own pre-pre-way-pre-alpha software and dozens of windows. Albiet, much of the stability can be atributed to Linux, the user interface has been very tolerant of my explorations and abuse. I've set up some of my clients with Gnome on Linux - totally computer illiterate clients - and they're still plugging along, making their mistakes and learning and Gnome still keeps ticking. The only thing I back up are my project files and database dumps - but that's more for catastrophic changes like system upgrades or hardware failure - the usual reasons to back up. Like anything else - on any pretty good product, you'll always have problem cases. From the Ferrari to FreeBSD, you'll have a few out there that are beset with difficulties. But a chronic problem unique to an individual needs to be adressed. As far as this one person's seemingly chronic problems, a little reflection on circumstances may help. What's been consistently the same on each issue? Hint - same person. Evaluate how you configure your systems, run over and verify what you believe to be true and compare it to what actually is true. Since the problem seems to be happening on more than one platform over different versions of Gnome, and that this doesn't seem to be a chronic Gnome problem to everyone, evaluate what remains the same. Not a personal bash - I've had identical problems in several different systems and discovered that I was at fault (wanted badly to blame it on Microsoft). It happens. Explore the community as a whole - run the archives - if you don't see your problem cropping up as a chronic problem, then move on in your research to find the culprit. Don't sit around bashing Gnome and automatically assuming it's at fault. Only the people with solutions to provide have that right anyway... Also examine seemingly unrelated settings - examine your CMOS and system settings and potential hardware problems or even dirty electricity, etc... It's a puzzle - take the challenge and run with it. Gnome isn't perfect. If you still suspect it being a problem with Gnome, rather than ranting -dig in and locate that problem or partner up with a developer with the skills to do so. Make a negative a positive. Gnome is what you make of it - no more and no less. I for one am extremely thankful for the hard work and late nights/early mornings that developers have expended to make Gnome what it is today. Millions of dollars in man-hours just given away. It's inspired me to learn gui programming. And, it's earned my trust in depending on it for my business and personal computing. Cheers, Mike John Fleck wrote: >On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > >>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: >>> >>>>I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care >>>>to remember. >>>> >>>You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, >>>and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's >>>certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users >>>serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their >>>problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience >>>in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em >>>if they know about 'em. >>> >>The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide >>a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug >>report. >> > >Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" >pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a >problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. > >This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common >problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual >problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else >who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. > >You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens >and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they >supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? > >Best regards, > >John >_______________________________________________ >gnome-list mailing list >gnome-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 23:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9656181C9 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id XAA60846; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 170 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lMVv-0002rJ-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 From: stan To: iain Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314040651.GA10890@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: iain , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 23:04:24 up 1 day, 3:59, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.21, 0.13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:33:19AM +0000, iain wrote: > > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > > 3. Edit original. > > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. > > No it's not. > To create the copy, you need twice the space. Mmm, you've got the swquncee wrong. Step 1 is where you create the copy, and where you need the space. After taht no more space is needed, except perhaps when you do something that _adds_ to the new copy. But once you have the copy made, you can always back out to it. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 14 06:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B16618510 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16lT0C-00063a-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314110232.D20351@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 or thereabouts, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > >basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > Next point, one word, backup? > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. I'll preface this by saying that whilst I have done amazing things to my Gnome setup, I've never actually trashed the entire thing. Despite this, I do keep test accounts, where I -- well. Test stuff :) Before doing it for real. On the .gnome files, here's a rough guide. This account was created on RH 5.2 (and Gnome 1.0, which was far more unstable than Gnome is these days, despite having far less in it), and successively migrated through the subsequent betas and releases to RH 7.2, so not everything here may actually get created by default in RH 7.2. Things change :) In .gnome/ almost everything is an ascii text file. "file * | grep -v text" shows you the rest. The one big exception is metadata.db which is apparently "Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)" for me. I have a lot of gnome-terminal-random-letter files for no apparent reason: the only difference appears to be the geometry and the dates on them look like the last few times I restarted X. I believe they're just session-manager stuff. My defaults and tclasses (a gnome-terminal thing) are actually in the .gnome/Terminal file. All the text files have a roughly similar format: geometry, font, editor, needs_term (true or false) and so on. panel.d/ or panel.d/default contains your launchers and stuff from the panel. If I want to start over completely from scratch, I'd move or remove the entire directory. I'd also go on a blitz through /tmp removing all the /tmp/.ICE-unix/ /tmp/.esd/ and ./.swafish-username/ stuff I had permissions to remove. These are mostly sockets. I don't think it hurts to remove these :) I'd do it when not in GNOME though, just in case. I have lost the original mail. Was it GNOME as a whole hanging? Specific apps crashing? I am curious whether the same thing happens in X or KDE (in which case I'd blame X). You can get X error messages from /var/log/XFree86.[display].log (and hmm, I seem to have a lot about GetModeLine in there: should I worry?) When you mention you're spending hours rebuilding Gnome, is this building as in compiling, or as in setting up default settings, or what? Telsa From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 10:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06F291856F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314150229.36241.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: queries regarding gnome-canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am using gnome canvas in my program. - how to define a "clipping area" ( i want only a selected circular area to be visible )in it. ? - how to change the "text", once the gnome_canvas_item TEXT has been created in the canvas ( that is i want to update the text of the "text item")? - how to add a widget to the canvas ? thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Thu Mar 14 10:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A739F18613 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2EFGPZ00985; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 14 Mar 2002 10:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" in the way you are describing. Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a bigger hard drive. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:27, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > > > > > -- > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 15:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com [161.114.1.208]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE2F18113 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118013822; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:38:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9CECB1; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id MAA28129; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2EKcHv484962; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until I freed space (as root). Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database that gets lost. The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll generally have lots of obscure usage. - Jim -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 16:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (zcamail04.zca.compaq.com [161.114.32.104]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26101967F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6468A25; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776A6E52; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id NAA11452; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2ELD49492385; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142113.g2ELD49492385@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: "Arthur H. Johnson II" Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The fact that Gnome can leave your machine in a unusable state (to the point of being unable to log in) when it runs out of disk space, without once warning you it is dying, is *not* a feature. What I would hope is when key data needs to be written, the return code from write would be checked, the user warned if it is out of space, and a retry possible. Right now, you can lose entirely this way (as I did week before last). - Jim > To: Sean Middleditch > Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > ----- > No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" > days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" > in the way you are describing. > > Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to > assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really > think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a > bigger hard drive. > -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 09:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49C85181EC for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:10:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315141048.8227.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas!! To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 15 10:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835718245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2FEsBZ24565; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Jim Gettys Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> References: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 15 Mar 2002 09:57:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1016204232.2947.0.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really dont know how to respond to this. I never have problems like this with GNOME, of course I dont let my hard drive fillup either. On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 15:38, Jim Gettys wrote: > Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. > > I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was > completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until > I freed space (as root). > > Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. > This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database > that gets lost. > > The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you > happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find > over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll > generally have lots of obscure usage. > - Jim > > -- > Jim Gettys > Cambridge Research Laboratory > Compaq Computer Corporation > jg@pa.dec.com > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 11:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF48E18245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315164337.46993.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From pclouds@fptnet.com Sat Mar 16 21:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (dns2.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BE518FB4 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn (isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.131]) by dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2H2WZq28206 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:32:35 +0700 Received: from hcm.fpt.vn ([203.162.45.132]) by isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G35KPQN8; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:36:40 +0700 Received: from [203.162.59.211] by hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.132] Received: (from pclouds@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2G3MHB05085 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:16 -0500 From: pclouds To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: get packages from cvs through firewall Message-ID: <20020315222216.A5074@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello I have written two scripts which allow to checkout or rdiff from CVS by web. I can't access CVS because of firewall. Hope it useful for people like me. cvs.cgi is the cgi script. You put it on web server. The result of this script will be translated by translate_cvs.pl. The scripts are simple. They don't support password and other commands of cvs. --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cvs.cgi" #!/usr/bin/perl use CGI ':standard'; use Socket; sub die_html { print "ERROR: @_\nERROR: $!\n"; exit 0; } if (param('start') ne "start") { $ENV{'SCRIPT_NAME'}=~ s#^/?#/#; print <CVS Query Valid commands are: checkout, rdiff, rtag.

An additional command is "gzip <level>" which is like the param "-z <level>".

CVS Host:
Repositry dir:
User:
Command:
EOF exit 0; } print "Content-types: plain/text\n\n"; $root = param('root'); $host = param('host'); $user = param('user'); $port = 2401; $command = param('command'); $command =~ s/\r/\n/sg; $command .= "\n"; print "Host=$host\nRoot=$root\nUser=$user\n\n"; $| = 1; $buf = ""; $output = \*STDOUT; %valid_cmd = (co => "ok", rdiff => "ok", rtag => "ok", gzip => "ok", output => "ok"); $password = "A"; $iaddr = inet_aton($host) || die_html "No host"; $cmd_authen="BEGIN AUTH REQUEST\n$root\n$user\n$password\nEND AUTH REQUEST\n"; $cmd_init = "Root $root\n"; socket(SOCK, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, getprotobyname('tcp')) || die_html("Create socket failed") ; connect(SOCK, sockaddr_in($port,$iaddr)) || die_html("Connect failed") ; select((select(SOCK), $|=1)[0]) ; # unbuffer the socket $sock = \*SOCK; print $sock $cmd_authen; $line = read_line(); die_html "Authentication failed" if ($line ne "I LOVE YOU"); print $sock $cmd_init; print "START\n"; while (1) { do { if ($command =~ /^([^\n]+)\n/) { $cmdline = $1; } else { print "QUIT\n"; exit 0; } print "CMD $cmdline\n"; $command =~ s/^[^\n]*\n+//s; @param = split (/ +/,$cmdline); $cmd = shift @param; } while ($valid_cmd{$cmd} ne "ok"); $cmd="co" if ($cmd eq "checkout"); if ($cmd eq "gzip") { print $sock "gzip-file-contents $param[0]\n"; next; } if ($cmd eq "output") { $cmdline =~ /^output (.*)/; open HANDLE, $1; $output = \*HANDLE if defined (HANDLE); next; } foreach $str (@param) { print $sock "Argument $str\n"; } print $sock "$cmd\n"; do { $line = read_line(); print $output $line."\n"; if ($line =~ /^M (.*)$/) { print "MSG $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^E (.*)$/) { print "ERR $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^Updated (.*)$/) { $path = read_line(); $entry = read_line(); $mode = read_line(); print "UPDATE <$1> <$path> <$entry> <$mode>\n"; &get_file; } else { print "WOW <$line>\n"; } } while ($line ne "ok" and $line !~ /^error/); } sub read_line { local ($len, $buffer); while ($buf !~ /^[^\n]*\n/) { $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,1024; $buf = $buf . $buffer; } $buf =~ /^([^\n]*)\n/; $buffer = $1; $buf =~ s/[^\n]*\n//; return $buffer; } sub get_file { local ($size, $len, $realsize); $size = read_line(); $size = $1 if ($size =~ /^z(.*)/); print "GET $size\n"; if (length($buf)) { $realsize = $size < length($buf) ? $size : length($buf); $buf =~ /^(.{$realsize})/s; print "$1"; $buf =~ s/^.{$realsize}//s; $size -= $realsize; } while ($size > 0) { $realsize = $size < 1024 ? $size : 1024; $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,$realsize; print "$buffer"; #print RAW $buffer; $size -= $len; } print "GET DONE\n"; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/x-perl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="translate_cvs.pl" #!/usr/bin/perl sub extract_file { $path = ""; foreach $i (split(/\//,$_[0])) { $path .= "$i/"; mkdir $path; } $entry = $_[2]; $entry =~ m,/([^/]+)/,; $path .= $1; open HANDLE,"> $path" || die "Can not create $path.\n"; $_ = <>; die "Bad file\n" unless /GET (\d+)/; $size = $1; read STDIN,$buffer,$size; $end = <>; die "Read error\n" unless defined($buffer) && length($buffer) == $size && $end eq "GET DONE\n"; print HANDLE $buffer; close HANDLE; if ($gzip) { print "Unzipping... "; system "mv $path $path.gz"; if (system "gunzip $path.gz") { print "Failed\n"; system "mv $path.gz $path"; } else { print "Done\n"; } } print "Create $path ($size bytes)\n"; } $gzip = 0; while (<>) { # print ">> $_"; chomp; exit 0 if $_ eq "QUIT"; $gzip = $1 if /^CMD gzip (\d)/; extract_file($1,$2,$3,$4) if /^UPDATE <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)>/; print "$1\n" if /^MSG (.*)/; print STDERR "$1\n" if /^ERR (.*)/; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From patrick.m.lane@csun.edu Sat Mar 16 23:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FC3180F2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([63.204.176.122]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT300EU2N7S0P@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:18 -0800 From: Patrick Lane Subject: Fonts in gnome-terminal To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the only one that looks right. --Patrick From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sat Mar 16 23:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ACE18136 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mS9u-0005tj-00 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 23:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016339002.20162.32.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 23:02, Patrick Lane wrote: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. Most fonts aren't uni-spaced. Normal text looks a little "funny" when all the letters/symbols are the same width (a lower-case l shouldn't be as wide as a capital M). Obviously, on a terminal, you want them to all be a uniform width. The Terminal fonts are uni-width fonts. Most of the rest aren't. > > --Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 00:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2DC184F2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H5WGZ11716; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Lane Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Lane writes: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. > You can only use monospace (fixed-width) fonts. If you go to the "filter" tab you can set a filter to display only those I think. GNOME 2 gnome-terminal will do this, only allow you to choose fonts that will work. Havoc From stanb@awod.com Sun Mar 17 01:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E77518316 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id BAA39764 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 39 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16mToz-00051r-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 01:02:18 up 13:07, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.37, 0.55 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > entirly. > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > get work done. > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels were gone :-( Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug report on this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 17 01:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-1-51.oz.net [216.39.134.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002B188C2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H6B4904307; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Fonts in gnome-2 From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom font. What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my existing TrueType fonts to the mix? -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From hongli@telekabel.nl Sun Mar 17 03:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118DE180D9 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from telekabel.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020317082321.UMQE24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@telekabel.nl>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3C9452C5.4040107@telekabel.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:24:37 +0100 From: Hongli Lai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: nl, nl-be, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-2 References: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Travis Saling wrote: > I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take > more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, > how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to > the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom > font. > > What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not > show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the > font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 > keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my > existing TrueType fonts to the mix? > If you turn anti-aliasing off, you can use all the fonts X provides you. But when you turn anti-aliasing on (use Xft), somehow you get a whole different list of font names! (such as Arial suddenly replaced by Nimbus Sans L???) This is confusing, could somebody explain this? From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 11:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C3180E3 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2HGToC20206; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan writes: > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. Havoc From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Sun Mar 17 22:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FE188F5 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16mnRc-0001kX-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D624518162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mncM-00089w-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 22:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1016421484.26959.4.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sounds like your PAM setup may be incorrect; in /etc/pam.d/gdm is the PAM setup for GDM (this is assuming Slackware uses PAM... I haven't used Slackware in some time). Specifically, check the auth lines. They should be similar to (or exactly like) the auth lines in, for example, /etc/pam.d/login. If you have an exotic authentication system (LDAP, NIS, etc.) you have to be a bit more careful, just as a warning. On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From omega@temple-baptist.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AD718162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2I3Kln29994; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:20:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Christian Seberino In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 19:19:54 -0800 Message-Id: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by .xsession-errors, nothing more. Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same packages do *not* do this. It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 23:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C95A182CD for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16moM5-0008Dy-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:02:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 23:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1016424319.26959.7.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have that problem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same computers, with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:19, Erik Walthinsen wrote: > On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their > machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to > me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never > shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. > It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is > some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by > .xsession-errors, nothing more. > > Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly > updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same > packages do *not* do this. > > It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know > if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. > > Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator > __ > / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! > | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** > _\ /_ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Sun Mar 17 23:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41B18890 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2I3vJ6D004518 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: <3C95659D.4070404@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:17 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020314 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Gnome 1.4.1rc1 build for Sparc Solaris2.8 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030402020600060102090507" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030402020600060102090507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hye For whom is interrested I just build a (almost) full gnome & gnome-fifth installation (including nautilus, galeon, evolution and many more and even mozilla) for Solaris2.8 sparc, and made it available as rpm packages. If you want to test it, fell free to download it from: http://www.rcsnet.net/gnome-1.4.1rc1-solaris2.8-sparc.html Be carefull that it is not a gnome team supported release build. If you have a problem with it please first send questions to me. 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Message-ID: <20020318002729.A7478@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil>; from seberino@spawar.navy.mil on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 07:04:20PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I did "ps aux" and noticed mutiple gdm processes where running IMMEDIATELY AFTER REBOOTING (and logging in remotely with ssh). Why did 2 gdm's appear after rebooting??? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From jverel@optonline.net Mon Mar 18 09:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (unknown [168.144.1.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9318CB4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w078 ([168.144.108.78]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 159.10.4.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: "jverel@optonline.net" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 To: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Reply-To: jverel@optonline.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 14:55:54.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[01017D70:01C1CE8D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice = login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default deskto= p configuration when you go back in. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 18 16:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F6187FA for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW2L>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. ----------------->>>> Hay Havoc On one of my old systems (486-50 updated with a AMD 586-100 and 64MB RAM) and some funky video card... HP Ultra VGA) has some similar problems. Here is the specifics: I can only use the XF86 VGA server in 640 x 480 x 8 (or it might be 16) mode. After installing RH 72 (and of course GNOME) I started my xserver and the desktop appears then the bottom panel, a couple applets appear (in the none complete icon state) and before they gain the full icon state of the applet, the panel applet crashes leaving no panels on the desktop. I'm able to start a terminal and call any program but the panel applets always crash. At this point I was not sure if this is the panel or the panel applets. So knowing how great Ximian is I loaded it up hoping maybe my problems would be solved. The install went great. Then starting of the new Ximian GNOME desktop crashed at Doorman, then at the Panel applet as it did with the initial GNOME. I know this is an old system and it's purpose is singular on our network, so I usually vncviewer into this system, which also works fine (except for the above mentioned crashes). I use vnc because I can set the desktop to a range higher than the hardware will allow. However, the aforementioned errors happen in both the vncserver and sitting at the system. Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need another set of eyes. From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 00:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF35180FB for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nCds-0003Xk-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: "jverel@optonline.net" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020318215840.A13599@spawar.navy.mil> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jverel@optonline.net on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: John Thank you very much! This makes perfect sense and I tried it and so far it fixed problem. Of course it was sporadic before so I'll be more sure it worked as time goes on. What do you think about adding a line to rc.local to scrub the /tmp directory at every reboot??? That should provide nice insurance for this. What would cause these /tmp files to get mangled??? My desktop PC never had this problem.. only this new laptop?!?!?! Thanks again, Chris On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. > > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. > > Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default desktop configuration when you go back in. > > John > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? > > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From kliermanm@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 19 14:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from motgate4.mot.com (motgate4.mot.com [144.189.100.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55019187 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate4.mot.com (motgate4 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA13182 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from pronto1.comm.mot.com (pronto1.comm.mot.com [173.6.1.22]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA09391 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:14 -0700 (MST)] Received: from beta1 (beta1 [173.5.173.1]) by pronto1.comm.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29106 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:42:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: solaris and gnome2 (gnome-vfs) From: Ken Lierman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:42:12 -0600 Message-Id: <1016566934.1268.26.camel@beta1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hey all, I thought i'd take a crack at compiling gnome2 on my solaris 2.6 machine here at work.... (BTW, thanks for garnome... making it tolerable, at least :). Anyway, i've had a few minor compilation issues (which i'll log soon), but i'm totally stuck with gnome-vfs-1.9.10. Here's what i get (compiling gnome-vfs-application-registry.c): /usr/include/signal.h:198: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h: In function `sigwait': /usr/include/signal.h:200: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h:201: `__setp' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/include/signal.h:201: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/include/signal.h:201: for each function it appears in.) anyone see this before? signal.h and sys/signal.h are just FILLED with conditional compilations.... ug. Any ideas? Thanks! Ken From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 16:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BA318197 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nQj2-0004Qp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: How many gdm processes does gdm require? Message-ID: <20020319130056.A17036@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How many gdm's should I see on a normal ps aux output?? I see 3 even though no one is using this PC!?!?!? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From dbp24@ee.byu.edu Tue Mar 19 16:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from krum.ee.byu.edu (krum.ee.byu.edu [128.187.114.160]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CC189F4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.byu.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by krum.ee.byu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2JLEXp16785 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 From: Devin Baker Pratt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Terminal bell properties Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn down the volume. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Tue Mar 19 17:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C819256; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020319222818.DDVD604.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:28:18 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 19 Mar 2002 23:21:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1016576506.1347.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released 2. Sun release abicheck 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' 7. Abiword on O'Reilly 8. GNOME 2 software popping up 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out 10. First release of Gior 11. Bug Day Reminder 12. Translated GNOME summaries 13. Hacker Activity 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity ============================================================== 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The fast growing Rhythmbox team lead by Jorn Baayen and Bastien Nocera had their first official release this last week. Rhythmbox is a music management program which aims at taking care of all your needs in relation to playing music on a computer. This first release just plays your mp3 or ogg files but development is moving rapidly and many more features are planned as shown on the rhythmbox homepage. http://www.rhythmbox.org/ ============================================================== 2. Sun release abicheck -------------------------------------------------------------- Sun Microsystems has released Abicheck under the LGPL to the GNOME community. Abicheck is a tool to make sure that the libraries ABI stay 100% compatible, within the same release series. As part of this release they have made ABI docs for glibc and GNOME. More info on the abicheck homepage. http://abicheck.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The GStreamer team did a new release of the GStreamer Multimedia Framework. This release featured among other things a new autoplugger and many new plugins. The release is also needed if you want to try out the first two released applications based on GStreamer namely the the Gst-Player and Rhythmbox releases. http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/notice.php http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/gstplayernotes.php ============================================================== 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Our friends of the Gnucash project made another release this week. The new version features tweaks for the exchange rate calculation so that it will work in even more complicated cases, involving different Euroland and other currencies, added Edit Report Options hyperlink to warnings in reports and added workaround for Guppi barchart legend sorting (broken in Guppi 0.40.0 - 0.40.3). http://www.gnucash.org/ ftp://ftp.gnucash.org/pub/gnucash/ ============================================================== 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 -------------------------------------------------------------- The GTK+ team is proudly announced to the world the release of version 2.0 of the GTK+ widget toolkit and associated libraries (GLib, Pango, and ATK). These libraries are the result of 3 years work with contributions from hundreds of volunteers. This release represents a major step forward in free software user interface toolkits. This release brings with it many improvements in API and widget functionality, accessibilty support, unsurpased i18n support and support for anti-aliasing. All this for the first time available in a library available under the LGPL license a license that is open and free to all developers no matter what license they choose to use for their software. http://www.gtk.org/2.0.0-announce.html ============================================================== 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' -------------------------------------------------------------- The second GNOME desktop beta was out this week and according to many this beta is stable enough to use on a daily basis if you are willing to be a little forgiving with your desktop. Bugfixing goes on at great pace thanks to the dedicated effort of the GNOME team. One person I think deserves a special mention this time around is Kevin Vandersloot who now maintains both gnome-applets and gnome-utils and is very quick to respond to new bug reports as shown by him being high both on the cvs commits list but also on the bug-hunters list. Thanks Kevin. Anyway please read the release notes for more information about this release. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-March/msg00181.html ============================================================== 7. Abiword on O'Reilly -------------------------------------------------------------- That GNOME has the best applications there can be little doubt about. This week O'Reilly published an article presenting our favourite word processor Abiword to the world. The article gives some positive insight into the history of the project, where it is now and where its heading. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/03/14/abiword.html ============================================================== 8. GNOME 2 software popping up -------------------------------------------------------------- The first software release for GNOME 2 is starting to appear. In addition to the mentioned Rhythmbox and Gst-Player releases mentioned earlier we had releases of Gnumeric, File Roller and Eye Of GNOME. More ports are started so expect to see more in the coming weeks. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00017.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00033.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00037.html ============================================================== 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out -------------------------------------------------------------- The GtkAda team announced the release of GtkAda 2.0.0 release this week. This makes Ada the first language bindings to have a non-development release of bindings for the new GTK+ 2.0 release. Maybe this is the chance you have been waiting for to try out the Ada programmig language? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00029.html ============================================================== 10. First release of Gior -------------------------------------------------------------- Since we have had a CORBA story for the last couple of summaries I thought we needed one this week also. Frank Rehberger has made a fun little tool which lets you dump CORBA ior's and ping associated objects. You find it and a screenshot at the link below. http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~frehberg/gior.html ============================================================== 11. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org also this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). While the bug team has gotten many great volunteers the last few weeks more is needed so please stop by. ============================================================== 12. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 13. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 93 gnumeric 80 evolution 56 profterm 48 gimp 47 gok 45 gnome-applets 42 gnome-panel 42 gtk+ 41 SashComponents 40 rhythmbox-new 39 gnome-control-center 35 vte 33 nautilus 32 galeon 29 gal 25 gtkmm-root 24 encompass 24 pan 23 ggv 21 gnome-utils [134 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 57 minmax 48 dtb 48 frob 46 ajshankar 38 jamesh 38 stano 36 jpekka 34 michael 34 jbaayen 32 nalin 30 jody 29 chrisime 29 menthos 29 murrayc 29 fejj 27 hp 26 kmaraas 25 dobey 24 kevinv 24 ettore [138 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6779 (In the last week: New: 1116, Resolved: 887, Difference: +229) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1149 (In the last week: New: 130, Resolved: 104, Difference: +26) gtk+: 399 (In the last week: New: 78, Resolved: 36, Difference: +42) gnome-core: 312 (In the last week: New: 97, Resolved: 131, Difference: -34) gnome-vfs: 245 (In the last week: New: 2, Resolved: 5, Difference: -3) gnome-applets: 235 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 13, Difference: +20) galeon: 177 (In the last week: New: 191, Resolved: 174, Difference: +17) gnome-panel: 168 (In the last week: New: 114, Resolved: 39, Difference: +75) gnome-pilot: 165 (In the last week: New: 6, Resolved: 42, Difference: -36) sawfish: 165 (In the last week: New: 12, Resolved: 7, Difference: +5) GIMP: 157 (In the last week: New: 17, Resolved: 12, Difference: +5) control-center: 141 (In the last week: New: 57, Resolved: 33, Difference: +24) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: 0, Resolved: 0, Difference: 0) gmc: 111 (In the last week: New: 4, Resolved: 4, Difference: 0) balsa: 106 (In the last week: New: 18, Resolved: 7, Difference: +11) gnome-utils: 101 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 26, Difference: +7) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: heath@pointedstick.net: 127 bugs closed. yaneti@declera.com: 126 bugs closed. kmaraas@gnome.org: 78 bugs closed. bordoley@msu.edu: 55 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 51 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 35 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 28 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 24 bugs closed. kfv101@psu.edu: 23 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 21 bugs closed. james@daa.com.au: 18 bugs closed. iain@ximian.com: 17 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 16 bugs closed. srittau@jroger.in-berlin.de: 15 bugs closed. jacob@ximian.com: 14 bugs closed. There is no new and updated software listing this week. The new software map registers every change to the application entry which means that the script generating a list of new releases generated a huge list as maintainers have been updating their entries for the new map as this activity goes back to normal the new and updated software list will be back. The cvs stats and bug hunting stats are for last week only. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B8B182E0 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMfMe22624; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:41:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt Havoc From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB101925E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMgWB22628; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Devin Baker Pratt Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Terminal bell properties References: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Devin Baker Pratt writes: > I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is > annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I > found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn > down the volume. > It's in the keyboard applet (for no good reason really - it's the "keyboard bell" if you stretch things I guess). Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 18:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6C11928F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2JNXjY02298 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:46 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Reply-To: Jeff Trefftzs From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:45 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all - A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is this problem already fixed? TIA, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 18:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B519297 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2JNdwL19145 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at least that i can see. anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be hacked, and what the values ought to be? thanks very much. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 19:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9F1192A3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2K0GR708889; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:27 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: Message from dep of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 EST." <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:26 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi dep - They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed RH-7.1 system. HTH, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 19:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD7E18267 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K0PbJ19442 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> In-Reply-To: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed | RH-7.1 system. that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jverel@optonline.net Tue Mar 19 20:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B97180E2 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2K1x2O02729; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Jeff Trefftzs Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020319205902.B2140@Verdi> References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Have you tried rxvt? John On 03/19/02, 03:33:45PM -0800, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and > would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is > this problem already fixed? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From dachristy@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 21:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4E91812A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust46.tnt3.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.124.46] helo=localhost.localdomain) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16nWDK-00017F-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 From: D Christy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | +----------------------------------------+ From bordoley@msu.edu Tue Mar 19 22:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071DE18112 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320033034.FXCA1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:30:34 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: D Christy Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:30:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. dave On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 21:52, D Christy wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 > dep wrote: > > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. > > > -- > ^----^ > (- 0) > +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ > | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | > | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | > | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | > +----------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 22:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD661829B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K3ZeC20153 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: another probably silly question Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: name newname and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing, everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. tia. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From pnelson@neatech.com Tue Mar 19 22:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F806187E1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW0R>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt ----------------->>>> Yeah I should have included them. I really just figured it was an old machine and that was causing my problems so I just used a different desktop and vncviewer (twm). However I would like to solved this if possible. So here are the errors that happen after startx is issued. 1. Ximian Doorman seg faults at process 1679 2. Panel seg faults at process 1736 Note that the doorman thing now tries to start every time before GNOME (or after not sure about the sequence, but prior to the desktop load) and this is because it fails. Here is the output of gdb: Made a file called gdbcmd.txt that consists of 2 lines: run --sync bt then ran the following command to produce the 2 files attached: 1. gdb panel -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> panel.txt 2>&1 2. gdb doorman -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> doorman.txt 2>&1 During the run of panel a box comes up saying that panel is already running do you want to start a new panel Yes or No. Selecting either lands same result. Is this enough info for ya? ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doorman.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doorman.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 208 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 #1 0x402360bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", = rowstride=3D2112, alpha=3D1, cmap=3D0x807d608) at = gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4023644e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x8126b60, = src=3D0x8126ab8,=20 cmap=3D0x807d608, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D528, height=3D42) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x0804d139 in _start () #4 0x0804d277 in _start () #5 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80886b0,=20 func=3D0x804d1a8 <_start+2216>, func_data=3D0x0, args=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x403060be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x81262d0, = signal=3D0xbfffdcb0,=20 object=3D0x80886b0, params=3D0xbfffdd10, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4030551f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x40337d3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x40337a21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at gtkbox.c:606 #12 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8088310,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8088310, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8088310, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x402e012e in gtk_notebook_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtknotebook.c:505 #17 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80880f0,=20 func=3D0x402e0004 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe480) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe480) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at gtkbox.c:606 #22 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8087cd0,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe820) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe820) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at gtkbox.c:606 #27 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8083400,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8083400, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8083400, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x4026f394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at gtkbin.c:133 #32 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80876b8,=20 func=3D0x4026f290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffef50) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffef50) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #36 0x40341d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #37 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #38 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #39 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #40 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #41 0x403419aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #42 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #43 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #44 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #45 0x403371c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #46 0x0804d934 in main () #47 0x40522306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x804d7b4
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x804bb54 <_init>, fini=3D0x80562a0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="panel.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="panel.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 172 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 #1 0x4035c0bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8150310,=20 pixels=3D0x8148600 "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/", rowstride=3D24, = alpha=3D0, cmap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4035c44e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x0, = src=3D0x8150238,=20 cmap=3D0x80d4938, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D7, height=3D7) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x080a1077 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #4 0x080a1209 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #5 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812b610,=20 func=3D0x80a11e8 , = func_data=3D0x0,=20 args=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x4042c0be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x80c0280, = signal=3D0xbfffe350,=20 object=3D0x812b610, params=3D0xbfffe3b0, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4042b51f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812b610, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812b610, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x4045dd3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x4045da21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x40403b4d in gtk_menu_shell_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkmenushell.c:357 #12 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812aa28,=20 func=3D0x40403a28 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe780) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe780) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x4039964d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at gtkbox.c:606 #17 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812a1a0,=20 func=3D0x40399534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x40395394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at gtkbin.c:133 #22 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129d78,=20 func=3D0x40395290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x40467d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #27 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff240) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff240) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x404679aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #32 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff630) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff630) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x4045d1c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #36 0x08066b97 in init_user_panels () #37 0x0805e53d in main () #38 0x4050c306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x805e288
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x8056eac <_init>, fini=3D0x80a8cb0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0-- From anand.subra@wipro.com Wed Mar 20 00:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AE418653 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2K5gKG15252 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:12:20 +0530 (IST) Received: from wipro.com ([127.0.0.1]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9BT000.S3B; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:11:24 +0530 From: "Anand Subramanian" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <196779196960.196960196779@wipro.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:24 +0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at > school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start > getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already > logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running > programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have > thatproblem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same > computers,with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Able to reproduce this *every* time I reboot my Red Hat Linux 7.1 box. I was startled initially when this problem occured. > Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? This problem persists, although I have the latest packages built from the CVS Can anyone please suggest a solution for this ? -Anand From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 00:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70586189C9 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2K5njn11091; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:49:45 -0800 Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: jverel@optonline.net Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 21:48:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 06:55, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. > You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it > should be fixed after the first such time. I did this on my parent's machine, it didn't help. > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then > login again. Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From paul.lewis@karachi.freeuk.com Wed Mar 20 01:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB561811C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from karachi.edinburgh ([62.252.152.39]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320060337.WKXT8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@karachi.edinburgh>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:03:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:05:20 +0000 From: Paul Lewis To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320060520.A3027@karachi.Edinburgh> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 00:25:37 +0000 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre3 Lines: 26 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 2002.03.20 00:25 dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > > -- > dep > -- Hi, I don't think it is parculiar to ximian. I can get to the panel properties dialogue (ximian Gnome), maybe it's a rights issue for your user. From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 20 01:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-2-19.oz.net [216.39.134.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D08718A3D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2K6KLW03274; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 Message-Id: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with or without the clock) as a regular old applet. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 01:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B760618C27 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320062359.VRGR2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:23:59 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 Message-Id: <1016605462.1356.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I should have been more clear, this is by design, but the design is broken. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:20, Travis Saling wrote: > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hongli@telekabel.nl Wed Mar 20 02:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEF718488 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020320072828.NLTP25529.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:28:28 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Hongli Lai To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 08:29:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1016609395.1240.1.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:25, dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > Are you clicking on the menu panel? The menu panel is very inflexible and doesn't have a Properties menu item. Other types of panels do have a Properties menu item and are very configurable. From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 03:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BD41827C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9KIB00.S08 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:23 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:54:54 +0100 Message-Id: <1016614494.13967.180.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I use). Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work ;o) -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it For every winner, there are dozens of losers. Odds are you're one of them. From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 04:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot15.cl.msu.edu (pilot15.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.35]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4F188BA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from msu.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by pilot15.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2K92Kc19524; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 EST To: Michele Campeotto , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. dave Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly changing based on what app your using. Michele Campeotto said: > Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to > configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I > use). > > Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there > already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it > is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). > Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html > > > P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting > his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work > ;o) > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > For every winner, there are dozens of losers. > Odds are you're one of them. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 04:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1540F1832D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9M4R00.00I for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:24:27 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:58 +0100 Message-Id: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to GNOME. > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > changing based on what app your using. I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that useful. I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window before being able to see its menu. Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden inside gconftool), though. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F118C79 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nevg-0001YO-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > least that i can see. > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > hacked, and what the values ought to be? There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I want it" or "I don't want it". The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one you have, you find it won't work. I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel is there you can kill off the original one.) Telsa From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4602183BD for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nfSj-0001ae-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 or thereabouts, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, > and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), > is this problem already fixed? I can't remember what the defaults are for RH 7.2 or for Gnome 1.4.1 as a whole because I changed them all. Click on Properties or Preferences or whatever it's called in the toolbar of the terminal. If you have removed the toolbar because it's a complete waste of space, control-right-click on the terminal to get to the Preferences dialogue. (You can get away with just right-clicking without the control key unless you have already done a left-click in that terminal, in which case it will assume the right-click is to complete the selection the left-click started.) There are four tabs in the preferences dialogue. The third is called Colours (or Colors to non-en_GB speakers :)). The second choice there is fore/background color (um. Even in en_GB. Bug there, I think :)). There's various black on white, white on black, green on black choices. If you select custom colours, you'll be able to play with the colour selector underneath, but you don't need to. Once you have selected black on white, play with the 'colour scheme' button, because the shades of black and white vary according to whether you pick rxvt, linux console or something different! (Does anyone know why this is?) Apply. Close. If you are using RH and want only monochrome, you may also want to turn off the color-ls facility that RH gives people by default. This is provided by /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh, which is in turn read by /etc/profile. You can either take the "I am the only person on this machine" approach and just delete the colorls.sh file, or you can add "unalias ls; unalias l.; unalias ll" into your .bash_profile or .bashrc (I forget which one :)) This will revert back to the nice old style of just the names in the expected foreground font. You can actually change the individual colours used for this, but I just remove the whole capability. I believe "dircolors" is what you'd need to look up to do that. It is very very much worth filing a bug on the colours of the default gnome-terminal: accessibility has become very important to GNOME and to the companies shipping it. So either RH's bugzilla (RHL 7.1/gnome-core) or GNOME's (gnome-core/gnome-terminal) will do. Both is good :) Telsa From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202181930B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320144939.VKBK1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:49:39 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: Michele Campeotto Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635778.1326.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The most inherit problem with this (beyond my personal disklike) is that it would break consistency with all non-gnome apps, since most all existing unix apps have "Windows" like behavior. Since this feature would be completely incompatible with existing unix programs (gtk 1.2, motif, qt), in my book it's a bad feature to even consider. This would not be something minor like changing button ordering to those used by macOS. It would be a complete paradigm switch. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 04:29, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. > > Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and > not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to > GNOME. > > > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > > changing based on what app your using. > > I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many > improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar > works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good > (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations > (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that > useful. > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden > inside gconftool), though. > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD218799 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320145050.EMDN2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:50:50 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 07:10, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > > least that i can see. > > > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > > hacked, and what the values ought to be? > > There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, > floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- > after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. > > All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu > panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I > want it" or "I don't want it". > > The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu > panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. > > I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to > remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one > you have, you find it won't work. > > I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom > (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things > you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel > is there you can kill off the original one.) > > Telsa > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE1192F2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA1QL00.P1Q for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:01:33 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto Reply-To: micampe@micampe.it To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:07:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official GNOME... --=20 -- Michele - www.micampe.it La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li abbiamo fatti. -- Goethe From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 10:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3611932E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320151307.FDYB2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:13:07 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think theres a bug on the click along the borde issue in bugzilla, might want to check that.=20 Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 10:07, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 >=20 > I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its > functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the > screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official > GNOME... >=20 > --=20 > -- Michele - www.micampe.it >=20 > La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li > abbiamo fatti. > -- Goethe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7D18261 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA2OO00.O24 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:22:00 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:27:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1016638055.13968.258.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 16:12, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix > alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. Yes, building the menu panel with applets has no drawbacks, IMO, provided it is done right. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Murphy's Technology Laws From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF321181EC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFSpj05797; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:28:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, This is useful, thanks. Can you also send me the output of "xpdyinfo"? Havoc From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397B3187BF for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFT9F08424; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 4 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Wed Mar 20 15:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-122.tcsn.net [63.174.82.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359B4193CE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2KKUZ102061 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:36 -0800 Message-Id: <200203202030.g2KKUZ102061@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? In-Reply-To: Message from hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 GMT." <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Telsa, and all who responded to my original post. I didn't want to start bugging RH if this was something fixed in later releases - and from my point of view it's enough to simply unalias all those color terminal aliases in my own .bashrc files. But from what you're saying, it's still the default, even in 7.2. So I will file bug reports in both places. Thanks to all who pointed out that it's just an alias problem. -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From in_rapture@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 15:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web10108.mail.yahoo.com (web10108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.58]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2431831A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020320204133.30554.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.4.27.247] by web10108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 PST Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hansen Subject: gnome-terminal not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just installed a fresh copy of Slackerware 8.0 and am having a bit of trouble with the gnome-terminal. When I use gdm to log onto the system, I can not use the gnome-terminal program. Whenever I try to start gnome-terminal the screen flashes for a split second and then closes. I get the same result every time I try to start gnome-terminal. This does NOT happen when I log in as root through gdm, or if I do not use gdm to log in. Any help or suggestions on how to trouble shoot this would be great. Rick Hansen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From jverel@optonline.net Wed Mar 20 19:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCA618440 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2L0b1W02896; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:00 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Erik Walthinsen Cc: jverel@optonline.net, "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net>; from omega@temple-baptist.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:48:46PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some > packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their > .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. > It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember > doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and up2date upgrade. Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 22:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1419369 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.4.3] (temple-baptist.com [216.99.217.68]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2L3Ttn31731; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:29:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: John P Verel Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 20:28:50 -0800 Message-Id: <1016684935.2558.6.camel@dell.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 16:37, John P Verel wrote: > You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at > least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common > pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and > up2date upgrade. It happened a lot more in the past, but various things still break even with the latest Ximian updates. > Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that > the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? /tmp files don't have any integrity, by definition. The problem is with the mechanisms the software uses to configure itself. An extreme example was the day I accidentally installed a few too many packages out of the GNOME 2.0 snapshots channel on both of my machines. When I next logged into the machines, the configuration was *completely* different, bearing not the slightlest resemblence to my 1.4 configuration. I'm hoping that a) this is because things are moving to GConf and b) no one's put effort into configuration-migration yet. All I can say is that if anyone here expects not to lose users in droves when they upgrade to GNOME 2.0 and find that they have to *completely* reconfigure everything to even remotely represent their old config, they are utterly deluding themselves. We (GNOME) can *NOT* ignore the problem of configuration migration. If an application or utility needs a different configuration mechanism, it cannot simply ignore old config files. If that means a migration utility that has plugins for each application in order to move config from 1.4 to 2.0, then that must be written. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From dep@drippingwithirony.com Wed Mar 20 23:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758D418405 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2L4hVE24503 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203202343.31601.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: to everyone, thanks very much for all your help. the solution had to do with it being a menu panel rather than a plain old panel. what i was up to is memorialized online, and the helpful members of this list are mentioned. it's here: http://www.linuxandmain.com/tech/xibretto.html thanks again. best, -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jal233@earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 10:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7FB18AFB for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from james?laska (AUTH plain) at bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com (HELO flatline.pok.ibm.com) (james?laska@129.42.208.182) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 15:39:04 -0000 Subject: gnome run dialog From: James A Laska To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 10:39:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1016725141.5722.4.camel@flatline.pok.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What is the status of the gnome run dialog. Where do I find what is being done for it, and by whom? I recently grabbed the new ximian gnome release (gnome-core-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2, gnome-core-devel-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2) and found that the gnome run dialog has changed. First, gnomecc no longer accepts my windows key mapping (Super_L and Super_R) when binding keys to the run and menu actions. Xmodmap has correctly mapped the modifiers and other applications (xev, sawfish) recognize the super_l and super_r modifiers. For some reason, gnome stopped recognizing these keys once I upgraded. Second, the gnome run dialog is a sub-process of the panel process? This was done to reduce the load up time correct? This also means that there is no other way to get tot he run dialog outside of a key mapping (as defined in $HOME/.gnome/panel). It would be nice to be able to call the run dialog from other programs (gkrellm, nautilus, etc...) (not sure if this is possible any more since it is part of `panel` -- perhaps a switch option to panel (i.e. `panel --gnome-run`)). It would also be nice to be able to move the gnome run panel button into submenu's (I can move it to drawers, but not to menus (I guess because it is an applet not a .desktop). If this is possible already, I haven't found how. Third, the new "Available Programs" interface is neat, but unnecessary for advanced users. Clicking on the "Advanced..." button should make the "Available Programs" listbox disappear. I'm not so sure the merging of the favorites menu into the "Available Programs" listbox was done correctly. Should merging be an option? I don't want my favorites merged into the system menus. Perhaps there could be a textbox in the gnomecc panel interface that allows the user to specify a comma delimited list of directories to merge? Following comments made in this post: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-October/msg01031.html is there any work being done on tab-completion and autorunning based on mime-type? Is this the correct forum to address the above concerns? Thanks in advance to any responders? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 11:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3108B1846B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LG5LG27221; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:51:11 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Weird alignment of panel components Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem: [Image] Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this pad. How do I realign this pad? TIA, Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495" --------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem:

Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this
pad. How do I realign this pad?

TIA,
Henry
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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
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gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 11:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1016728125.10020.36.camel@kinase.site.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, In order to get rid of the warning messages printed by java graphical applications, I have a line like this in my .gnomerc: xprop -root -remove _MOTIF_DEFAULT_BINDINGS however, this seems to working intermittently, calling xprop twice seems to solve the problem, can anybody explain why? Timing problem? Work around? Cheers, Marcel -- marcel turcotte, assistant professor, school of information technology and engineering, university of ottawa, 161 louis pasteur, p.o. box 450 station a, ottawa, ontario, k1n 6n5, canada, tel: (613) 562-5800 x6660 fax: (613) 562-5175, cby a-333-a, http://www.site.uottawa.ca/~turcotte From calum.benson@sun.com Thu Mar 21 12:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D141943B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08546 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2LH5Dx16659 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:14 GMT Message-ID: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:13 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Michele Campeotto wrote: > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? There are two issues I can think of: - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to do so :) So there would need to be some sort of hacky mechanism/setting built into the window manager to ensure focus wasn't given to other intermediate windows when you moved the pointer from the application window to the menu bar. (Sawfish can probably already deal with this with its plethora of settings, other GNOME-compliant window managers may not). - It's a pain when you're running on multiple screens, as many power users do-- even on a Mac with multiple screens, the global menu bar always appears on screen 1 (IIRC), which often isn't the one that your application window is on. This makes using the menus a pain. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 21 15:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157B21812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020321201642.JRQO1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components From: Hongli Lai To: Henry Katz Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > problem: > > [Image] > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > the panel they appear to the left of this > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > TIA, > Henry > -- Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 15:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165561869D for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LKr6G27430; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A44DD.E53FEABC@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:38:53 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hongli Lai Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > > problem: > > > > [Image] > > > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > > the panel they appear to the left of this > > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > > > TIA, > > Henry > > -- > > Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote:

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote:
> I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my
> problem:
>
> [Image]
>
> Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the
> panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
> foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to
> the panel they appear to the left of this
> pad. How do I realign this pad?
>
> TIA,
> Henry
> --

Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-)

Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option.

Henry

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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9-- From mail@stew.nu Thu Mar 21 16:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF601812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewcompaq (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2LLDBk30737 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:11 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> From: "stew" To: Subject: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. = It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. Thanks in advance, Stew ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,
 
I was wondering if there is a good = AVI-player for=20 Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5=20 codec.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Stew
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0-- From bordoley@msu.edu Thu Mar 21 16:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A25A189A7 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020321212424.GKST2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:24:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome From: David Bordoley To: stew Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> References: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1016745867.1329.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: If your running gnome2 you could try downloading and playing with gstplayer. Otherwise the only really good player is mplayer, but it's a bitch to setup, since you have to compile from source for legal reasons. dave On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:13, stew wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stew From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Thu Mar 21 17:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E4E185DA for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2LMDnr08019 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: another probably silly question From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 14:12:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1016748829.15451.3.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing as nobody else has responded, here's my 2 cents: The only gnome mail client I use is Evolution. While it appears to be an ``all-encompassing everything-but-blood-type pim'', it is componentized, so only those componenets you use are loaded into memory. It stores things in a database format, but my sense is that there may be an easy way to get the entries dumped into a flat text file. If you want to go that route, try the evolution list (evolution@ximian.com) Again, this is probably not the answer you were looking for, but it's the best answer I have off the top of my head. Hopefully it's better than nothing. Regards, Ben On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 19:35, dep wrote: > of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if=20 > there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: > name > newname >=20 > and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking=20 > for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing,=20 > everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. >=20 > tia. > --=20 > dep > -- > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. > -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8mlrTBQkCV8iOJocRAvhEAJwL/BK4bJwofOdhmzBndAWlEMYNogCfWyHe 3KBZ96zkmUJEshdBM+tckxA= =AhwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D-- From geoffrey@ticom.com Thu Mar 21 17:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (peengihn.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE32194F4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (mongo.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC90258E002 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C251A0016 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: GDM and sessreg From: geoffrey To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 Message-Id: <1016749597.19816.5.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm trying to get the sessions written to /var/log/wtmp with no luck. I have read the sessreg manpage and added the appropriate scripts to /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Presession/ and /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Postsession/. However, none of the X users show up when I do: w. So, what have I missed? How do I get GDM to log the sessions so that I can see them with w/who? I need logging to wtmp so that I can run idled. thanks for any and all clues. geoffrey -- this space intentionally left blank From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 21 17:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA2A187EF for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oB1M-0004Wp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com>; from calum.benson@sun.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > > before being able to see its menu. > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > There are two issues I can think of: > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to > do so :) You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! Telsa (proving Calum's point) From stanb@awod.com Thu Mar 21 19:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C36180D8 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA79809 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 54 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16oCjw-00023C-00 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:01:14 up 5 days, 7:06, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.59, 0.45 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > report. > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > entirly. > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > get work done. > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the night). I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory Gnome woody .debs Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). The WILL trash your panels. Hope that helps. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 19:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8A182CE for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M0gaG27675; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:28:21 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote: > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. Bollocks!! I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss. It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple of days to stop the memory creep. Henry > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote:
Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the
night).

I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow.

Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory
Gnome woody .debs

Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
The WILL trash your panels.

Hope that helps.

Bollocks!!

I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then
logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals
had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.

What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss.
It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple
of days to stop the memory creep.

Henry

 

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"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
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--------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291D918156 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M14BU19425 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M14Ch73750; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when sawfish records the window's size. I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut down faster than the panel initializes.... So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing issues during session startup/shutdown. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394A188E5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M16WU19449 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M16Xx73802; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759193.71549.13.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:04, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might 256MB. evidently I'm having a bad math day... -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 21:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD021813C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M1xKG27736; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:45:13 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; > recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more > applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and eat up too much CPU.. > > busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets > dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs > looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. > > In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is > initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals > > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-) > > so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when > gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when > sawfish records the window's size. > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > down faster than the panel initializes.... Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing > issues during session startup/shutdown. Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE. Henry > > > -- > brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] > allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] > allbery@ece.cmu.edu > electrical and computer engineering > KF8NH > carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" > -ke6sls] > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote:
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote:
> > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
> > The WILL trash your panels.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
>
> Bollocks!!

Actually, no.  I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup;
recently I determined that it's a timing issue:  apparently one or more
applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too

Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the
window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and
eat up too much CPU..
 
busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets
dumping core.  At some point I may go digging through the applet libs
looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase.

In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is
initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings.

> When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was
> that two terminals
> had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal.  From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7
console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some
gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in
characters, or vice versa.  On a slower system I can even see the
windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes
them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two);

Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-)
 
so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when
gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when
sawfish records the window's size.

I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here:  GNOME is rather
memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup
times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic.  The extra 192MB might
conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut
down faster than the panel initializes....

Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory?
So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing
issues during session startup/shutdown.
Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE.

Henry
 

 

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--------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 21:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402ED18E86 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M2GFU19747; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M2GG274745; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Henry Katz Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); > > Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - > don't we all ;-) Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with synchronization"?) > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > > down faster than the panel initializes.... > > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? Don't know; since I run Ximian's 1.4 on Solaris and 1.4 from /usr/ports on FreeBSD, I haven't seen GNOME 2 in action at all yet. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 21 23:43:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B99181BD for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M4gEV00977; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Henry Katz Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Henry Katz writes: > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > There's slightly more base overhead for Hello, World, but some of the main components (namely Nautilus) use a lot less overall. The net effect of GNOME 2 (so far) is that it seems slightly faster/smaller, at least to me. Other people have said it seems slower. It probably depends on which specific app or widget you are clicking on to test. Havoc From stuart@bmsi.com Fri Mar 22 09:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E0180EF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (gathman [219.109.11.136]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2MEpXkZ011634; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Stuart D. Gathman" To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 21 Mar 2002, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to > the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window > manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. > > (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the > session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps > must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with > synchronization"?) I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. Doesn't gtk+ have a configuration framework that takes care of stuff like this? An old article titled "Worse is Better" described how it was very tricky to save kernel state across task switches when implementing a simple thing like 'read()'. Unix punted and simply returns a "Try Again" error code to let the application recover. What was not mentioned is that the "application" needn't deal with this. A wrapper around 'read()' can check for this error and retry as needed. All state is saved on the user mode stack. While it is easy to invent, too bad such a wrapper wasn't standardized (or did it miss it?). -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 10:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD49180DF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.41 #2) id 16oQrc-00021c-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:21:56 +0100 Subject: ORBit-2 - ORBit_ObjectKey  From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 16:05:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1016809514.31580.5.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, *object_key seems to be undetermined for decoded IOR-strings in ORBit2. Instead the CORBA_Object.object_key is used. typedef struct { IOP_Profile_info parent; gchar *unix_sock_path; CORBA_unsigned_short ipv6_port; ORBit_ObjectKey *object_key; } IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info; Why did you introduce object_key in IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info if it is not used. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 11:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A23E18111 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16oRkm-0006Co-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: IOR strings needed for testing From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 17:02:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1016812933.31622.20.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please, could you send me some IOR strings for testing my Gnome-IOR dump tool? Perhaps there are some IOR strings of GIOP and IIOP connections arround. Those IOR strings may be of other ORBs as Mico etc. Thanks in advance, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D8D18545 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.58.42.154.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.58.42.154] helo=there) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16oRpm-0003lX-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:24:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk, GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:23:29 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thursday 21 March 2002 04:26 pm, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when > > > changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having > > > to click on a window before being able to see its menu. > > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > > > There are two issues I can think of: > > > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously > > refuse to do so :) > > You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! > > Telsa (proving Calum's point) > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list Ditto!! -- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." -- Unknown From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 22 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8A187CF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oTdx-00065A-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com>; from henry.katz@iscs-i.COM on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > stan wrote: > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Please don't prove this true. > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to more like 10x10. > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have files going back to January 2000 there... > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > evidence of memory loss. I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for more people than just me though... Telsa From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Fri Mar 22 13:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2187A18198 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2MIj2G28226; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9B7859.F1384020@iscs-i.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one. > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time... > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... Mine only go back two months.. > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote:

I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one.
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes.
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
more like 10x10.
Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time...
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
files going back to January 2000 there...

Mine only go back two months..
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
more people than just me though...
Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup.

Henry
--
 
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 22 14:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68891815D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2MIvq912212; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:57:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-X-Sender: arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Not here. -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > report. > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > entirly. > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > get work done. > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > were gone :-( > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > report on this? > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. > > From pausmith@nortelnetworks.com Sat Mar 23 03:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com [47.140.48.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C78180E5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com [47.140.192.58]) by zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N8BlF06650 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com (lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com [47.17.140.90]) by zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N88qs12225 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from psmith by lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16ogcl-00015Q-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: "Paul Smith" Reply-To: "Paul Smith" Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your username? After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password text etc.? I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). Debian Woody GDM 2.2.5.4-2 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. From stanb@awod.com Sat Mar 23 09:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699EC18867 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id JAA85701 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 93 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16omUh-00058k-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? Message-ID: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 09:18:08 up 14:02, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it that I'm setting up for my wife. I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer setings and all cahnels are set quite high. I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. Hw can I further troubleshoot this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From ermshta@ermshta.org Sat Mar 23 09:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp015.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca [207.96.216.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748A18A14 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from loflinan@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2NEsLi01206; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: loflinan set sender to ermshta@ermshta.org using -f Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? From: Jee Desjardins To: "Mailing List: Gnome" In-Reply-To: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1016895260.1138.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to help but I really don't know where to start. Jee Desjardins ermshta@ermshta.org On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. >=20 > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= r > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. >=20 > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= s. >=20 > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? >=20 > --=20 > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= =/n2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- From mail@stew.nu Sat Mar 23 12:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A9C18AEB for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewamd (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2NHecM04099 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c1d291$5a0e6bf0$0b00a8c0@stewamd> From: "Stew" To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Subject: Unsubsribe from this list? 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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1D299.B7F48850-- From mario.vukelic@chello.at Sat Mar 23 12:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from viefep11-int.chello.at (viefep11-int.chello.at [213.46.255.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CBD18ABC for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([213.47.79.152]) by viefep11-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020323174830.MVXU1155.viefep11-int.chello.at@localhost.localdomain> for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:48:30 +0100 Subject: Re: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: Mario Vukelic To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 18:45:38 +0100 Message-Id: <1016905538.4288.17.camel@sonic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:11, Paul Smith wrote: > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? Please go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org and report it, if it isn't yet -- I did not vote for the Austrian government From kreamer@954access.net Sat Mar 23 13:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 954access.net (unknown [216.235.105.201]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB718555 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from default [216.235.99.117] by 954access.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A377CF20136; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1d295$39de13e0$7563ebd8@default> From: "William Kreamer" To: References: <20020323170112.4F4CB18ADC@mail.gnome.org> Subject: Re: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Check two things: 1. See whether you have sound when you are logged in as user, and also as root. 2. See whether you have sound files in your user .gnome subdirectory. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:01 Subject: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs > Send gnome-list mailing list submissions to > gnome-list@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-list-request@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-list-admin@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk) > 2. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Henry Katz) > 3. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Arthur H. Johnson II) > 4. GDM: window resizing annoyance (Paul Smith) > 5. Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (stan) > 6. Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (Jee Desjardins) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 > From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > > night). > > > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Please don't prove this true. > > > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... > > > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > > evidence of memory loss. > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... > > Telsa > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 > From: Henry Katz > Organization: ISCS, Inc > To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an > English one. > > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > > more like 10x10. > > Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... > > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > > files going back to January 2000 there... > > Mine only go back two months.. > > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > > more people than just me though... > > Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say > that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. > > Henry > -- > > > > I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. > -Morpheus > > ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot > com > eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: >
I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time > trying to >
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited >
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
> Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with > an English one. >
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging > in sometimes. >
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to >
more like 10x10.
> Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... >
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, > gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. >
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. >

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix >
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a >
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have >
files going back to January 2000 there...

> Mine only go back two months.. >
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good > way to assess how >
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical >
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for >
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for >
more people than just me though...
> Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say >
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. >

Henry >
-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
  >
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said > it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, IncHenry Katz, ScMhenry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise718.268.3584www dot iscs-i dot com
> > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) > From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" > To: stan > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > Not here. > > -- > Arthur H. Johnson II > Senior Systems Engineer > The Linux Box > > E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu > URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu > Office: 734-761-4689 > Pager: 734-882-0323 > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > > report. > > > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > > entirly. > > > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > > get work done. > > > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > > were gone :-( > > > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > > report on this? > > > > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance > From: "Paul Smith" > Reply-To: "Paul Smith" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 > > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? > > After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly > smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? > Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password > text etc.? > > I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything > more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but > to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). > > > Debian Woody > GDM 2.2.5.4-2 > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools > "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 > From: stan > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > From: Jee Desjardins > To: "Mailing List: Gnome" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello, > I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I > can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I > mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome > games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... > > Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to > help but I really don't know where to start. > > Jee Desjardins > ermshta@ermshta.org > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > > that I'm setting up for my wife. > >=20 > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= > r > > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > >=20 > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= > s. > >=20 > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > >=20 > > --=20 > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > >=20 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb > Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= > =/n2b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > End of gnome-list Digest > From Matthew.Morgan@med.ge.com Sat Mar 23 15:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FED1818C for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-3 [3.159.236.67]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA15669 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uswaumsxbhmedge.med.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA09657 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by amermsx.med.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Weird Solaris behavior... Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so as a regular user I get an error message telling me that the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it needs to be 24. The message gives commands to try to make this happen but I haven't had any luck with them. Anybody else had a similar problem? I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps. - Matt Matthew Morgan matthew.morgan@med.ge.com 262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517 Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/ Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8.
 
I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so
as a regular user I get an error message telling me that
the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it
needs to be 24.
 
The message gives commands to try to make this happen
but I haven't had any luck with them.
 
Anybody else had a similar problem?
 
I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps.
 
- Matt

Matthew Morgan                
matthew.morgan@med.ge.com
262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517
Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/
Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ 

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Sun Mar 24 09:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6CA181BF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.94] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16p9Jh-0005vw-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:49:53 +0100 Subject: Gnome Repository GUI? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 15:32:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1016980358.1252.8.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is there a GUI for Gnome-Repositories, ie. Namingservice, Interface-Repository, GNOME Object Activation Directory, etc. Should this Gnome-Repository-GUI be embedded in Nautilus, should it be a standallone application?, or should it be a module of Webmin? Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From pnelson@neatech.com Sun Mar 24 18:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D995918102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:54 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) ----------------->>>> Sorry I just got my mail server back up after a disturbing crash... Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? ------------------------------------------------------ name of display: :0.0 version number: 11.0 vendor string: The XFree86 Project, Inc vendor release number: 3360 XFree86 version: 3.3.6 maximum request size: 4194300 bytes motion buffer size: 256 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 8, MSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 8, maximum 255 focus: window 0x1000010, revert to Parent number of extensions: 19 BIG-REQUESTS DOUBLE-BUFFER DPMS LBX MIT-SCREEN-SAVER MIT-SHM MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD RECORD SECURITY SHAPE SYNC XC-APPGROUP XC-MISC XFree86-DGA XFree86-Misc XFree86-VidModeExtension XInputExtension XKEYBOARD XTEST default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 640x480 pixels (217x163 millimeters) resolution: 75x75 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 4 root window id: 0x28 depth of root window: 4 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x24 default number of colormap cells: 16 preallocated pixels: black 0, white 1 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES largest cursor: 32x32 current input event mask: 0x5820bd KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask LeaveWindowMask PointerMotionHintMask ButtonMotionMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask number of visuals: 4 default visual id: 0x20 visual: visual id: 0x20 class: StaticColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x21 class: StaticGray depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: PseudoColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits ------------------------------------------------------ From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 24 22:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B7818102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2P3kjQ10486; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:46:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) Havoc From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Sun Mar 24 23:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDD1186EA for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu (allbery@VPN57.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.57]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2P3v6w05187; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:57:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Brandon S Allbery KF8NH To: "Stuart D. Gathman" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1017028623.18548.18.camel@pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:51, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize > if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that > a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. The problem with that is that you still have lots of applications all trying to talk to everything at the same time; this can lead to a "thundering herd" problem (like I suspect is happening with panel applets). Fixing it when you need to deal with gnome-session, gconfd, and a window manager all at the same time is harder than making gconfd serialize updates to gnome-session and the window manager, and then fixing *one* thundering herd. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hongli@telekabel.nl Mon Mar 25 02:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F7018176 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020325073442.DDWV1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:34:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Hongli Lai To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 25 Mar 2002 08:36:20 +0100 Message-Id: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. From calum.benson@sun.com Mon Mar 25 07:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE746180FC for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01013; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2PCnnx13507; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 GMT Message-ID: <3C9F1CED.8DCB6123@sun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: Weird Solaris behavior... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" wrote: > > I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. > > I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so > as a regular user I get an error message telling me that > the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it > needs to be 24. > > The message gives commands to try to make this happen > but I haven't had any luck with them. Not sure what the message you're seeing is suggesting you try, but there's also some information in the Sun FAQ that might help: http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/gnome14techfaq.html#25 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 25 15:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C0D180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Hongli Lai' , Havoc Pennington Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai wrote: ----------------->>>> > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. ----------------->>>> Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any suggestions? From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8B180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLm1F12744; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Hongli Lai Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai writes: > On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > > > Havoc > > I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. > 16 color, not 16 bit. It's 4 bits. Havoc From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8F218E89 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLmos12748; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "'Hongli Lai'" , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I > ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any > suggestions? Panel was changed to use gdk-pixbuf which is where the bug is. So the thing to do is file a gdk-pixbuf bug on bugzilla.gnome.org. Havoc From linuxadvocate@notwires.com Thu Mar 28 15:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.notwires.com (mail.notwires.com [66.147.132.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE319267 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Computer1 [10.10.1.139] by mail.notwires.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A88F7E1009C; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:09:51 -0600 Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed From: William Lamb To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 28 Mar 2002 14:16:50 -0600 Message-Id: <1017346610.2871.0.camel@computer1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is Polish and wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to make a convert to Linux. ;-) I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red Hat 7.2. My problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish characters to work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing between keyboard mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english installed on it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several different word processing programs and I still have not been able to produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters specific to the 8859-2 character set. Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? Thanks very much for your help, Bill Lamb Chicago, USA From nbruguier@gfi.fr Fri Mar 29 03:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gfi.fr (mail.gfi.fr [62.210.137.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06818C6B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [172.16.0.11] by gfi.fr [172.16.0.11] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:52 +0100 From: "NICOLAS BRUGUIER" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome 2 panel X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 172.16.0.11 X-Return-Path: nbruguier@gfi.fr X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: nbruguier@gfi.fr Message-Id: <20020329082555.DF06818C6B@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi For several years, i used gnome and recently i make jump to G2. I get and compiled it with cvs code. I would like put a question or to formulate a proposal about panel and it's menu. Why not implemented the menu with gconf instead .desktop files? That to largely improve its configuration for the user. I'll would like too thanks all gnome develloper for theirs excellent and good job. BRUGUIER Nicolas GFI Informatique nbruguier@gfi.fr From Janusz.Gorycki@intel.com Fri Mar 29 03:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hermes.fm.intel.com (fmr01.intel.com [192.55.52.18]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D77719363 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from talaria.fm.intel.com (talaria.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.39]) by hermes.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.36 2002/03/11 23:18:46 root Exp $) with ESMTP id g2T8Tf420247 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:41 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxv043-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.48.128]) by talaria.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.14 2002/03/05 23:31:08 root Exp $) with SMTP id g2T8TJt11727 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:19 GMT Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM ([132.233.42.29]) by fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002032900272302748 ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:27:23 -0800 Received: from alpha.igk.intel.com ([172.28.168.68]) by fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id H39X88B2; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:28:17 -0800 Received: by alpha.igk.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4L8K2NAM>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:50 +0100 Message-ID: <413FBB0BA5AED1119122000083234B1A01A459CA@alpha.igk.intel.com> From: "Gorycki, Janusz" To: "'William Lamb'" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am Polish and I used to have polish keyboard layout. First of all, there are two types of polish keyboard mappings: "standard", which nobody uses because it is awkward ("ported" from an ancient polish typewriter layout); and "programmer's", which is in common usage. In this mapping you get accented characters by pressing right "Alt" with a character key (a, e, s, c, n, o, l, z, x). I have just tried to reinstantiate polish keyboard on my machine. It is RedHat 7.0, but I don't think the procedure is any different on 7.2. I have noticed that just switching keyboard layout with GKB is not enough. You also have to set the LANG environment variable to pl_PL. As an added bonus, this also sets all your locale to polish (menu texts, dialog boxes, date format etc.) This works for me: 1. switch GKB to polish layout ("plain" polish, not "polish deadkeys" or "polish xkb keymap") - this gives you the "programmer's" layout 2. try running 'LANG=pl_PL emacs' or 'LANG=pl_PL gedit' from the terminal 3. if it works, put 'export LANG=pl_PL' in your './bash_profile' hope this helps marcin > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lamb [mailto:linuxadvocate@notwires.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:17 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed > > > I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is > Polish and > wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He > bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad > time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to > make a convert > to Linux. ;-) > > I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red > Hat 7.2. My > problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish > characters to > work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be > supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also > installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing > between keyboard > mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english > installed on > it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several > different word processing programs and I still have not been able to > produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters > specific to the > 8859-2 character set. > > Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this > up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs > do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the > accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? > > Thanks very much for your help, > > Bill Lamb > Chicago, USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua Fri Mar 29 08:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (unknown [195.66.192.167]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAC19407 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([172.16.42.211]) by Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2TD7YX05015; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:08:15 +0200 Message-Id: <200203291308.g2TD7YX05015@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" From: Denis Vlasenko Reply-To: vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua To: stan , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:06:45 -0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> In-Reply-To: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was wandering in my abandoned Gnome folder and... On 13 March 2002 21:38, stan wrote: > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 > yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( > > Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the > lead of out favorite software monoply. > > NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I > don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up > every thime. Stan, you even can't bother yourself with clean typing. How many typos are here? A dozen! No wonder you want Gnome developers to fix Gnome bugs but don't bother yourself to collect necessary data for useful report. For people of this type I suggest installing Windows. Or change your type. -- vda From cwlambert76@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 09:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B2C618548 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.123.189.37] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Lambert Subject: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... End of /MOTD command. cl1motorsports sets mode +i cl1motorsports You have been killed by sumo.solutionsfirst.net (<- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu])) Closing Link: cl1motorsports[~cl1motors@] (Killed (sumo.solutionsfirst.net (cl1motorsports <- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu]))) Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). Disconnected (). i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd running(i've managed to learn that much). any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance Charles Lambert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From plantiful@hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35291181CA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:44:35 -0800 Received: from 204.167.104.162 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:44:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.167.104.162] From: "Marc Plante" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2002 17:44:35.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E3C320:01C1D749] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be different). The KDE desktop works just fine. Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells for troubleshooting. Plantiful _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dachristy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 16:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C13E180E6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust105.tnt2.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.108.105] helo=localhost.localdomain) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16r3fN-00003B-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 From: D Christy To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: gedit not working X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gedit (and other editors have stopped working. When I try to open an existing file gedit reports that the 'file does not exist, do I waish to created it?', However I can use the built in viewer in GMC to view the file. Pico and Nano will open the text files but the contents is garbage. Any Ideas? -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo------------------------+ | David Christy || Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com || Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com || Sylpheed Claws 0.7.4 | +---------------------------------------------+ From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 29 17:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C761817B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16r4Rh-0004lK-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( Message-ID: <20020329220205.C16573@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>; from cwlambert76@yahoo.com on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 or thereabouts, Charles Lambert wrote: > i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... > i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd > running(i've managed to learn that much). any help > would be greatly appreciated. Try again. You just happened to pick a really bad time to try to join, I suspect: the irc.acc.umu.se IRC daemon was rebooted and I too had a period of not being able to connect before it would let me back on :) Telsa From Keizi@mail.co.kr Fri Mar 29 21:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44BE18169 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2U2bcS05077 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:38 +0900 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? Message-ID: <20020330023737.GC5068@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 16 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. my initial code does not stick to panel even, immediately quit after execution. I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string and got some lines of output. I have no data what this result mean. somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. I believe you can build the tarball. I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) thanks. From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 02:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6971F1811E for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-166.90.68.11.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([166.90.68.11] helo=there) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16rCqT-00044H-00; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:00:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: "Marc Plante" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:00:07 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 29 March 2002 11:44 am, Marc Plante wrote: > I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The > problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, > no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I > have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys > have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and > the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be > different). > > The KDE desktop works just fine. > > Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells > for troubleshooting. You probably already tried this, but just in case you didn't... Did you try to bring up the window manager (Sawfish, fvwm, or whichever one you're using) menu by clicking on the root screen? I've had a similar problem in that Gnome goes totally unresponsive upon logout -- but I've been able to start an xterm via the wm menu and kill gnome-session. -- "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." -- Unknown From kfv101@hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E51918480 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:04:44 -0800 Received: from 128.118.23.139 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:04:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.118.23.139] From: "Kevin Vandersloot" To: Keizi@mail.co.kr, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: note to develop gnome2 applet? Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 19:04:44.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0B40900:01C1D81D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Right now there are not any up-to-date documentation for writing GNOME2 applets. The place to first look is in gnome-panel/libpanel-applet/test-bonobo-applet which is a basic implementation of an applet. Regards, Kevin >From: Kang Jeong-Hee >To: gnome-list@gnome.org >Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 > >I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ >this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. > >but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. >my initial code does not stick to panel even, >immediately quit after execution. > >I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string >and got some lines of output. >I have no data what this result mean. > >somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. >I believe you can build the tarball. >I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) > >thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Keizi@mail.co.kr Sun Mar 31 10:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC49918491 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2VFrpV06031 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:51 +0900 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:49 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: launch applet on command line, not panel menu? Message-ID: <20020331155349.GA6008@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 9 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I've succeed to stick my applet to gnome2 panel. and now, I struggle to make a profit applet :) I wonder if there is a way to launch applet on command line, not panel menu which do not show me output of applet. or is there some file which log whole panel output? you may know what I'm saying. I really need debug info! From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20506.mail.yahoo.com (web20506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E909D183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed on your system? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 226FA183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. There are some things I would like to see. I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make a feature request is? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9419E183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162020.VYVM1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:20:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591628.1332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: bugzilla.gnome.org Please to make life easy on developers , only make one feature request per bug. Also please try gnome2 snapshots. Alot has changed since gnome 1.4 and your feature may have already been implemented. Gnome2 rocks i must say. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:12, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. > > There are some things I would like to see. > > I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make > a feature request is? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB73182D4 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162429.WBEX1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:24:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:08, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( > there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. > > Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed > on your system? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Sun Mar 31 12:22:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AC018709 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16rj3f-0000hA-00; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: David Bordoley Cc: Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? Message-ID: <20020331182359.D21545@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: David Bordoley , Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bordoley@msu.edu on Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 or thereabouts, David Bordoley wrote: > There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There > really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, > since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there > own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general > most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. I'd guess that the version number of gnome-core is about as good as you'll get. Telsa From bsimmons@ubtanet.com Thu Feb 28 20:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sage.ubtanet.com (sage.ubtanet.com [216.190.152.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39051180F0 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from simlap (wl11.ubtanet.com [216.198.98.11]) by sage.ubtanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA23797 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:23:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Brent Simmons" To: Subject: Installing on laptop Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. 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------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0-- From SJPWongbulk@bigpond.com Fri Mar 1 00:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C31C183CE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: From localhost.localdomain ([129.94.15.52] == max515052.servers.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) By tone With Smtp ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:24:39 +1100 From: Simon Wong To: Gnome List Date: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:18 +1100 Subject: Re: Installing on laptop In-Reply-To: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> References: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1014960250.3256.33.camel@lonewolf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:05, Brent Simmons wrote: > Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. Whenever I > start the GUI it fails and says no monitor found. Where do I edit the > video card/monitor settings for Gnome? They are actually X settings so in an xterm run Xconfigurator(?) as root and see if that helps. Otherwise you may have to edit the XF86Config-4 file directly. -- ************** * Simon Wong * ************** From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE0A19A35 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:08 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:08.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[8364ED40:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: geoffrey [mailto:geoffrey@ticom.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 15:38, Staven Bruce wrote: > > Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for > > everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a > > lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, > > we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come > > up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our > > servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! >Okay, these are servers we are talking about. Why are they running X and >a wm/Desktop Environment anyway? Servers need only a console - >especially if you plan to expose them to the Internet! Reason for not >using KDE (or GNOME for that matter) on your **servers**: they shouldn't >be running a gui in the first place!! Now, running the ltsp setup is a >different matter altogether. > >geoffrey >-- >No .sig If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. Thoughts? _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:25:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A6F19CC5 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:48 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA96A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:48.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4D3A20:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks for this Adam! - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District voice. (559) 230-6049 fax. (559) 221-4270 e-mail. staven.bruce@valleyair.org -----Original Message----- From: Adam Williams6 [mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:51 PM To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info >Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for >everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a >lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, >we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come >up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our >servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! 1. By default all of the Redhat really-slick-tools are available from Nautilus in GNOME 2. In my experience KDE has lots of problems in multi-user enviroments and experiences strange lock ups. Of course, on the server console you only have one user, but it is troubling none the less. 3. GNOME (IMHO) is simply more future focused. Yes, CORBA, Bonobo, GNOME-db, etc... have taken a l-o-n-g time to mature, but I think in GNOME 2 these things will really start to take off. CORBA based admin tools and such can theortetically at least make admining multiple servers alot easier. And imagine being able to write script that harness the power of things like Gnumeric and so periodically e-mail you a nice graph of system performance. 4. You can load lots of scripts into Nautilus so M$-weenie admins can do things like grep logs with a right-click. You'll never get these guys to actually learn how something works. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Ximian GNOME, Evolution, LTSP, and RedHat Linux + LVM & XFS ----------------------------------------------------------- From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 12:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA2918951 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id MAA39475 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 205 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gr8Y-0003kC-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:46:45 up 2 days, 17:09, 1 user, load average: 0.73, 0.68, 0.79 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? If so, how? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From bordoley@msu.edu Fri Mar 1 13:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96798184CC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020301182012.GRNN2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:20:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: David Bordoley To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 13:20:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. dave On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:48, stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 14:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B31181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21Jfxp01447; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:41:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: RE: GNOME info From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 11:41:58 -0800 Message-Id: <1015011718.1393.5.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think the GUI itself is unnecessary on a server, but (as I think someone already mentioned) some of the X/Gnome apps can be really handy. I must admit that I am not using gedit anymore though. I put nedit on the server - the context highlighting is really handy when I'm trying to tweak a CGI script. (Please don't try to sell me on gvim) ;-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 15:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC126181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id OAA93650 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 307 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gtD8-0004Lv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:00:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:57 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 14:49:36 up 2 days, 19:12, 1 user, load average: 1.26, 0.47, 0.33 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file browswer, right) enter inot this picture. Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 15:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA7F18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gtKc-0007Nz-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:08:42 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: RE: GNOME info] From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 20:54:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1015012487.6193.6.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Forwarded Message----- From: Frank Rehberger To: Staven Bruce Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: 01 Mar 2002 17:30:03 +0100 On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 16:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as > I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. > Thoughts? how about remote admin tools like http://www.webmin.com they only need a tiny webserver, per machine, nothing else. As much as I know webmin is quite popular. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Fri Mar 1 15:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us (sip-11a.usol.com [63.64.148.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200B18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from amavis by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with scanned-ok (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3k-0005G2-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:16 -0500 Received: from smiddle.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us ([192.168.6.76]) by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3j-0005Fr-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 15:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1015013384.22671.7.camel@smiddle> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 15:00, stan wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > > > > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. > > Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? It's just like in Windows, how Explorer draws the icons/background on your desktop. Nautilus is needed to handle the icons, and for technical reasons, it has to handle the background as well (in order to properly draw the icons on it). As for the interactions, its fairly simple. X Windows handles the actual hardware interface - it does the actual drawing and keyboard/mouse input. The Windows Manager (Sawfish) draws the window borders and placement of windows and the virtual desktops (which are more or less just collections of windows). The desktop manager (Nautilus) handles the background and icons, along with your basic file management. Everything else you see is generally just a different application designed for a particular purpose (panels, etc.) Sean Etc. > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From geoffrey@ticom.com Fri Mar 1 15:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E72183FC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (host214-148.discord.birch.net [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4C758E002; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D51A0010; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: GNOME info From: geoffrey To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 Message-Id: <1015014443.26994.7.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 09:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which,= at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are y= ou > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, = as > I find it an intersting alternative, Yes. I am suggesting having no X Windows on the servers at all, just a terminal console. It takes less overhead resources this way, and doesn't open you up to remote Xsession attacks either. Yes, I know X can be told "-nolisten tcp", but that's just a bandaid. > however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lo= st. > Thoughts? Well, the suggestion of webmin was a pretty good one for that situation. Not to be difficult, but can't MCSEs learn something new and useful once in a while? Must everything be "point, click, and drool"?! Just whining because I've heard too many NT admins complain that *NIX it too hard to learn. Didn't any of your NT admins every use DOS? tell them it's just like DOS, but more powerful! Enough power to shoot off your foot or bulk porno emails. geoffrey --=20 no .sig --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8f+Qrsye+UmmwPgQRAiB9AKDkBTvuRPDiKT62TPnxQC4ZQpL08QCdEDUp ESrR8mbPEjXh6UN2fQQsZWo= =0a/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 16:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459AB18A2C for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gun1-0002G0-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:42:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 22:28:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1015018092.6579.1.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 21:00, stan wrote: > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. For orientation this dependency graph of Gnome-2.0 might help http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/notes/depends.png Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 1 17:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD73180F2 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.64.144.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([209.244.64.144] helo=pegasus) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16gvdn-0004M0-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:36:39 -0800 Message-ID: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> From: "Bob Giesen" To: , "Christian Seberino" References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:36:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I put X 4.2 on my Slackware and it seemed to get X working. > > I don't know if that is the reason why gdm and kdm > ALWAYS load twm no matter what I choose from menu!!! > I chose GNOME lots of times and I always get twm!!! > > There is no .xsession, .xinitrc or any other .x* files > in my home directory except .Xauthority. > > STARTX **CAN** load GNOME FINE!!!! > > Please tell me how to debug gdm/kdm so that I can > use them instead of doing startx all the time. I don't use Linux, kdm, or gdm, but I have a hunch you might want to investigate if you haven't yet found the solution. I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the problem in the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed wm's worked. Btw, I also had to edit the wdm-config file, in the same directory, so that it properly reflected the window managers that I actually have installed on my machine. (These, in wdm-config, are the values that wdm uses for the selection-list that it presents in the login window.) Perhaps kdm and/or gdm has a similar config scheme... Hth... Bob From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 17:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2A180D7 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21MjGS02870; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 Message-Id: <1015022716.2525.8.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, > which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the > problem in the file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for > most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code > that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't > found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed > wm's worked. On RedHat systems these are in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. On Slack it may be different, but I bet if you search for gdm/Sessions you'll find it. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From tarozax404@earthlink.net Sun Mar 3 17:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E47193E5 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-239-207-84.oak.jps.net ([209.239.207.84] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16heat-0007VG-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3C823400.5060906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:32:32 -0800 From: Taro Fukunaga User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020219 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm and ssh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: After I set up sshd, I can't type anyting in gdm's greeter. My touchpad mouse works howerver. Here are my settings: 1) In /etc/rc.conf I set sshd=YES 2) In /etc/sshd.conf I set X11Forwarding Yes On startup I have verified that public and private keys were generated and placed in /etc. I am running gdm 2.2.0 in NetBSD 1.5.2 with XFree86 4.2.0 If anyone has any suggestions I would like to know. Taro From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 05:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99518327 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24ASLe08973 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:58:21 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG2DP00.OT3 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:57:25 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:05:31 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Clarification reqd on Panel menu customization thru Nautilus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Can any one make me clear, the way how nautilus helps in customizing the Panel menu(gnome 2.0). when trying to customize the panel menu by using Nautilus thru "Edit menus" option, i am able to add a new Menu item but not able to add any functionality to the same. Nautilus is neither allowing me to map the excutable nor edit the name of the added item. In what way it reads the .desktop files and pops up the menu awaiting responses -- Mayurnath Puli From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 06:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334D51928F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24BJ7e19235 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:49:07 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG4Q900.AU6 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:48:09 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:56:15 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi , Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. thanks and regards, -- Mayurnath Puli From jeeva_o_s@yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 14:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD1DD18119 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020304192033.60794.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.80.234.75] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:20:33 PST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeeva Chelladhurai Subject: right click not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I downloaded gnome 1.4 (unsupported version) for solaris intel from sun.com. Right click on the panel does nothing. Did anybody faced this problem before. How to do I get the right click working? Thanks in advance Jeeva. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From psaravanan@7hillsys.com Mon Mar 4 16:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net (unknown [64.14.239.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B20185FB for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net.pugmarks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g24Kf7G08822 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:41:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Saravanan Organization: Intellisys Technology LLC X-Originating-Ip: 64.13.176.2 X-Note: Latest version at http://EmuMail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Saravanan Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:41:07 GMT X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen X-Webmail-User: psaravanan@7hillsys.com Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. 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Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 4 17:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4C18EC0 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g24MHo031983; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Saravanan Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen References: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 04 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Saravanan writes: > I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login > dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application > that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application > executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never > be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. > Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see > anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the > mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But > unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or > keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen > saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. > I think you want to use "xset" or edit your XF86Config. See "man xset" and "man XF86Config" and look at stuff related to "blank" or "screen blanking" or "DPMS" or "screensaver" Havoc From mike@vee.net Mon Mar 4 18:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from carme.recalldesign.com (carme.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.5]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D6E1930A for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from io.internal.recalldesign.com (mail.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.150]) by carme.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NB7e48676 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Received: from vee.net (polarlander.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.252]) by io.internal.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NNGo61674 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Message-ID: <3C8401E4.7050105@vee.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 From: Michael Gratton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020304 X-Accept-Language: en-au, en-gb, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: annoying Favourites menu "feature" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi there, I recently upgraded my Debian machines and Gnome was upgraded along the way - I'm now running gnome-panel 1.4.0.6. After doing so, I noticed the Favourites menu had gained a submenu: "Add from menu". I find this new menu *massively* annoynig - I use the Favourites menu for quick access to frequently used apps, and having the "Add from menu" item up the top a) breaks my muscle memory and b) takes a *long* time to load when the icons and menu structure has been paged out or freed. Is this the standard Gnome 1.4 behaviour, or is this a Debian thing? If it is standard for Gnome, is there any way to turn off this submenu, or at least move it down to the bottom so it's out of the way? Thanks, Mike. -- Mike Gratton , Leader in leachate production and transmission since 1976. From pauljohn@ku.edu Mon Mar 4 23:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF5185F7 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ku.edu (dv42m76.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.76.210]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2547ov08846; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3C8443DA.3090503@ku.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:04:42 -0600 From: Paul Johnson Reply-To: pauljohn@ku.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Random background images? How? References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030501010700020003050400" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Gnome/Sawfish is the limited because you can't assign different images to different workspaces. I also think nautilus is bad because it forces you to let it control your background if you want icons. How cruel. I use the Window Maker window manager, and it allows me what I want. The wmsetbg program in WindowMaker sets backgrounds, either for the default window or for specific workspaces. I have a script that randomly changes backgrounds, it is written in perl, and I've attached it for you. I call that script in a shell script: #!/bin/sh export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 2 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/sea /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 3 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/beach -D is the display. Most systems only have display 0.0, but mine has 1.0 as well. You probably should put 0.0 there. if you don't add a -w flag, it changes the background of the root workspaces. That is the default background, the one that shows on all workspaces unless you say otherwise. If you add a -w flag, it changes that background only. -d is the flag you use to tell it where your pictures are. It searches throughout that directory structure. If you want this to change on a schedule, use a cron job. I do, it is fine. stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn@ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground" #!/usr/bin/perl use File::Find; #to get all files under mainDir use Getopt::Std; # command line processing getopts("w:d:D:")|| die "Invalid argument\n"; if ($opt_w =~ /\D/) { die "w is not a digit";} @images = (); if ($opt_D) { $DIS = $opt_D; } else{ # $DIS = ":0.0" $DIS = $DISPLAY } if ( $opt_w ) { $workspace = $opt_w-1; } sub process_file{ $filename = $File::Find::name; if ( -f $filename ){ push(@images, $filename); } } if ( $opt_d ) { $basedir = $opt_d; } else{ $basedir = "$ENV{HOME}/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds"; } find(\&process_file, $basedir); srand; $index=int(rand(@images)); if ($opt_w){ print "\n On disply '$DIS' workspace $opt_w, the background image is now @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u','-w',"$workspace",' ', $images[$index]; } else{ print "\n On display $DIS, The background image of the root window is @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u',' ', $images[$index]; } --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground-README" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground-README" pjbackgrounds-README Paul Johnson Aug.27, 2000 I am a Gnome user, but vigorously resist the pressure to use Sawfish. One reason is the pleasant workspace picture capability of Window Maker and wmsetbg. Yesterday I worked on a perl script which can change the background, either for the default window or a particular workspace, and it will randomly select an image from a specified directory, OR ANY OF ITS SUBDIRECTORIES. If no directory is specified, it is taken from ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. I am modestly calling the perl program "pjbackground" and I've put it in my web site http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/WindowManagers. There is pjbackground, a readme file, and there is a file called pjbackground-shell that you can call from cron to automate this. Use it like this: 1. with no command line options: changes root window background to a picture anywhere in ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. $ pjbackground You should see output like so: The background image of the root window is /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdc99_0659_yosemite_ss.jpg 2. specify the workspace, use the default image directory. (note, I'm using the workspace number on the clip, not the internal workspace number, which is one smaller). $ pjbackground -w4 On workspace 4, the background image is now /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdcss_089_snow_leopard.jpg 3. Specify a root image directory and it will choose a random one for you: $ pjbackground -w4 -d /usr/local/share/Backgrounds Here is /usr/local/share/Backgrounds/canyon.jpg When I tried to run this program under cron, I ran into environment problems, and learned that cron runs without much environment. So instead of scheduling pjbackground directly, I schedule a shell script "pjbackground-shell" and it gets the job done. I just added this entry with "crontab -e" 0 * * * * /home/pauljohn/bin/pjbackground-shell to change the picture at the top of the hour in, for example, workspace 4. --------------030501010700020003050400-- From snickell@stanford.edu Tue Mar 5 06:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED51F19083 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (beauty.Stanford.EDU [128.12.60.110]) by smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25B3NH22687; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:03:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 From: Seth Nickell To: Mayurnath Puli Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Mar 2002 02:58:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1015325906.32182.31.camel@beauty> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 03:26, Mayurnath Puli wrote: > Hi , > Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no > favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really > helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the > same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like > "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. > > So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop > this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. The plan is to allow the user to edit the main menus through Nautilus. The vfolder menus should allow this, but they are somewhat buggy right now and still need to be fully worked out. -Seth From calum.benson@sun.com Tue Mar 5 09:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBDC1932A; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29554; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g25E3lu06491; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:03:48 GMT Message-ID: <3C84D043.8ED749@sun.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:03:47 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hig@gnome.org Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [HIG] Exit confirmation References: <1075.192.168.1.9.1014779907.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <2jsp7u4efshn36jpg8khm9pmfmt6hcbaik@4ax.com> <1014860959.22741.21.camel@beauty> <20020228202957.GA11114@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> <1014937129.7308.12.camel@beauty> <20020228232811.GA1204@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Tommi Komulainen wrote: > Now, as I see it, the idea with the exit confirmation dialog is that the > user has the last chance to avoid losing his work or data, which in this > case means his best game of tetris ever. But if there is no data to be > lost, is there any reason to ask for confirmation? If not, should the > guidelines recommend against such confirmations? Yes, I think that would be a good guideline to include. It would be helpful if you could file a bug against the HIG so we don't forget it. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Tue Mar 5 10:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3013182D0 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.131.145]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSI007DEAWL6Z@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:26:46 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:51:02 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: How to new a GnomeCanvasBpath object? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <002801c1c45d$8e0046f0$918342da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ÕâÊÇ MIME ¸ñʽµÄ¾ßÓкܶಿ·ÖÏûÏ¢¡£ --Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT How to create and draw a bezier curve using ArtBpath or GnomeCanvasBpath on a GnomeCanvas widget? please give sample code if possible, thanks! --Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
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--Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg)-- From dtuchler@earthlink.net Tue Mar 5 14:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from svc.slu.edu (ps-fax.slu.edu [165.134.36.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119A918A84 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [165.134.23.100] by SLU.EDU (PMDF V6.0-025 #38756) with ESMTP id <01KF04HAITA495NB4G@SLU.EDU> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:27:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:30:55 -0600 From: Dennis Tuchler Subject: Spell Checking To: Gnome List Message-id: <1015356655.871.8.camel@linux> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have gnome spell installed and it seems to work. It underlines misspelled words, but it does not provide alternatives nor does it allow me to add to the database. Question: How do I get alternative spellings from the application, and how do I add words to the spell checker? thanks dj tuchler From roddy@visual-ra.swmed.edu Tue Mar 5 16:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from visual-ra.swmed.edu (visual-ra.swmed.edu [129.112.25.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D611883E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from visual-ra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by visual-ra.swmed.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA08156 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:45:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: nautilus crashing Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:45:34 -0600 From: Roddy McColl Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The nautilus shell has suddenly started crashing on my system i.e. /usr/bin/nautilus. I am running RedHat 7.2. The version of nautilus is the one that came with 7.2 i.e 1.0.4-43. Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version of the binary and hope it works. TIA -roddy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Roddy McColl PhD roddy@mri.swmed.edu UT Southwestern (214) 648-2910 http://www-mri.swmed.edu/homes/roddy.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lauris@ximian.com Tue Mar 5 17:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B3019685 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (80-235-62-82-dsl.trt.estpak.ee [80.235.62.82]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76FD6EC52; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:10:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: Unable to compile gnome-print-0.34 From: Lauris Kaplinski To: Elardus Viljoen Cc: Gnome List In-Reply-To: <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> References: <3C7C8F2F.C9D19902@obsidianlabs.com> <1014808091.15000.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 06 Mar 2002 00:03:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1015365823.14674.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! Sorry, I was forced offline for some time... On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 08:07, Elardus Viljoen wrote: > I compiled freetype 2.0.7 with prefix set to /usr. The same prefix is > used when compiling gnome-print. > > libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so Hmmm... it is probably installed by XFree, but bad things can really happen, if different FT versions will be mixed. Although I think the XFree one will be not linked to build normally (but not sure...) Also your error happens in compiling, not linking/running phase, so the guilty party should be freetype-config, that does not set up correct include paths... > Hmmm ... the last line bugs me. On other workstations at work only the > first two libs are found... > > > What does > > > > freetype-config --cflags > > /usr/bin/freetype-config: line 104: syntax error: unexpected end of > file Hmmm... Now that is weird. > Should I attach the file in question (about 2K) on my next email? freetype-config? You can do that, although I am not expert neither in freetype nor shell/perl stuff. You can also check, whether you have different freetype-configs lying around (maybe from prev install). Also, what does it do without arguments? Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski > > > Hi! > > > > > > When compiling gnome-print-0.34 the following occurs: > > > > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > > > > usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 > > > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > > > -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\""/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/"\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\""/usr/lib"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\""/usr/share/locale"\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/bin"\" > > > -DDATADIR=\""/usr/share"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\""/usr/share/gnome/fonts"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\""/usr/etc/gnome/fonts"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -Wall -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c > > > rm -f .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../intl -I../intl -I/usr/include > > > -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 > > > -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\"/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -DBINDIR=\"/usr/bin\" > > > -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share\" -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\"/usr/share/gnome/fonts\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\"/usr/etc/gnome/fonts\" -s -O2 -march=i686 -Wall > > > -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > In file included from gnome-print-ps2.c:51: > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: parse error before `FT_Face' > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: warning: no semicolon at end > > > of struct or union > > > make[2]: *** [gnome-print-ps2.lo] Error 1 > > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34/libgnomeprint' > > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34' > > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > > > > > I get the same result when compiling both 0.35 and 0.32. > > -- > Regards. > Elardus > elardus@obsidianlabs.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 5 21:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F6618165 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g262d3v21832; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Roddy McColl Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: nautilus crashing References: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 05 Mar 2002 21:39:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Roddy McColl writes: > Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have > no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic > error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version > of the binary and hope it works. There are some experimental binaries at ftp://people.redhat.com/hp/gnomehide/ that may or may not help. Another thing to try is to get the Nautilus with debug symbols at http://people.redhat.com/hp/test-packages, install that, and then try running Nautilus in gdb. Just do "gdb nautilus" and type "backtrace" after the crash etc. You probably want to be sure Nautilus isn't in your session before fooling with gdb; open session-properties select Nautilus and click Remove. Havoc From Keelin.Boyle@Sun.COM Wed Mar 6 05:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC346180D9 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28938 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr-edub03-03 (sr-edub03-03 [129.156.237.102]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g26AxXu11242 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 GMT Message-Id: <200203061059.g26AxXu11242@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Keelin Boyle Reply-To: Keelin Boyle Subject: applet settings To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: dfp2m4sJ0IlHh2ljZuVnfQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm running Gnome-2.0 on Solaris and think I might be missing some settings for applets that need internet access like gweather, gnome-dictionary and stock ticker?. Currently can't get any to work, anyone any clues? cheers Keelin. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Wed Mar 6 16:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309AC182EF; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020306212639.PZLN355.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:39 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 06 Mar 2002 22:25:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1015449963.4814.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal 2. New GNOME Software Map 3. Evolution in the spotlight 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review 6. New Garnome out 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out 8. GUADEC registration online 9. Multimedia and Unix 10. Debugging with ORBit2 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore 12. Bug Day Reminder 13. Gman back from down under 14. Translated GNOME summaries 15. Hacker Activity 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity 17. New and Updated Software ============================================================== 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal -------------------------------------------------------------- The big news of last week was the deal between Sun, Ximian and Wipro to further accelerate GNOME development. This deal brings in a lot of new fulltime developers to GNOME working for WIPRO in India. Those who have followed GNOME development lists have probably seen the growing precense of WIPRO engineers there over the last couple of months. A huge thanks to SUN who is behind this deal. http://www.ximian.com/about_us/press_center/press_releases/sun_gnome2.html ============================================================== 2. New GNOME Software Map -------------------------------------------------------------- As many of you have been aware of the GNOME Software map have been in dire need of an upgrade for some time. Lack of administrative functions have lead to tons of duplicate registrations and trying to search for software by category has been a pain. Well we have a new software map in place now based on the Sourceforge map. This means that the entries in the software map will be much more informative and finding the software you want much easier. There is also a new Mini-Description field for each project, this is the field that will be used in the GNOME Summaries from now on. When writing in a Mini-Description for your project remember that information like that it is for GNOME or repeating the application name is redundant. If you are a project developer and for some reason has not gotten an account for your project, mail the webmaster@gnome.org and we will try and help you out. A huge thanks to Steve Fox for making this. http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ ============================================================== 3. Evolution in the spotlight -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxword had a couple of articles on Ximian and Evolution. The first article focus on Ximian as a company and discuss their strategies for getting more people onto the Linux desktop. The second article by Joe Barr is about his switch from Sylpheed to Evolution. http://www.linuxworld.com/ic_821913_6995_1-3134.html http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0222.evolution.html ============================================================== 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review -------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Valliere has done a review comparing the current browsers available on Linux. And it comes as no big suprise that Galeon once again is choosen as the favourite browser. Another feather in the hat for the Galeon team. http://www.robval.com/linux/2002/browsers.html ============================================================== 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxplanet has a review comparing current spreadsheets for Linux. Our own favourite Gnumeric gets very favourable remarks and comes in second only beaten by OpenCalc. With the GNOME 2 port of Gnumeric well underway I guess there is a good chance for the top spot the next time around. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4078/3/ ============================================================== 6. New Garnome out -------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Waugh's popular Garnome scripts had a new release this week. For those not familiar with Garnome it is a set of scripts that downloads and builds all of GNOME2 for you. This means Garnome is the easiest way to tesst the GNOME 2 betas. http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ ============================================================== 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out -------------------------------------------------------------- The activity on the multimedia front these days is simply amazing. New projects seems to be popping up daily to make sure we have the widest and best range of multimedia applications possible. Isak Savo made a new release of GNOME Subtitle editor this week. It is an application which let you edit or add subtitles to your divx movies. It is currently based on GNOME 1.x but a GNOME 2 port is planned in the near future. http://gsubedit.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 8. GUADEC registration online -------------------------------------------------------------- The GUADEC registration form is now online; please register as soon as you can. This form also allows you to apply for sponsorship if you need financial assistance to attend. Also for those who has not made travel arrangements yet you better get moving. Finding free hotel rooms and flights is already getting hard. http://www.guadec.org/submit/register.php ============================================================== 9. Multimedia and Unix -------------------------------------------------------------- I made two articles available last week on the topic of Multimedia on the Unix plattform. The first article is an attempt at summarising some of the core challenges we face in making Linux and Unix top knotch plattforms for doing serious multimedia development. The second article is by Chris Pirazzi and tells of some of the experiences that Chris made in regards to making Video libraries when at SGI. http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=215 http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=216 ============================================================== 10. Debugging with ORBit2 -------------------------------------------------------------- After I posted the link to the article discussing debugging CORBA applcations using Ethereal in the previous summary, Mark McLoughlin one of our brilliant ORBit developers contacted me to say that this is not needed when using ORBit2. ORBit2 contains functionality itself to do the same. For more info check out the 'how do I enable ORB debugging' entry in the ORBit2 FAQ. http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=ORBit2/docs/FAQ&rev=&root=/cvs/gno me ============================================================== 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore -------------------------------------------------------------- One of the nice features of the Nautilus filemanager is the support for scripting. If you are missing some functionality it is often not more than a couple of script lines away. To make things even easier a site has been set up to collect and distribute some of the nice Nautilus scripts already made. Check it out to find the script that changes your life. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~smueller/Nautilus-Scripts/ ============================================================== 12. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). If you don't like buggy software you really should come here and help out. ============================================================== 13. Gman back from down under -------------------------------------------------------------- To the great relief of the GNOME community Gman returned from his vacation to the land down under this week. Gman who has given Guinness beer a face in the GNOME community is reported to be boiling over with energy after his vacation. The Summary desk got a report in that Gman has said that he will outcode everyone else during the next month in preparation for GUADEC. If he fails he will pay for the beer of everyone who has more CVS commits than him during GUADEC. We where not able to reach Gman to get this confirmed before the Summary deadline. ============================================================== 14. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 15. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 122 gtk+ 121 gnucash 120 gnumeric 115 gnome-applets 75 evolution 71 galeon 70 nautilus 70 gimp 55 gnome-utils 53 gtkmm-root 43 pan 41 gnome-panel 40 gnome-media 35 profterm 34 glib 30 gnome-control-center 30 yelp 29 SashXB 28 gnome-i18n 28 gtranslator [138 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 158 pablo 106 minmax 80 owen 72 peticolas (gnucash) 68 chyla 56 stano 53 darin 48 menthos 48 jody 44 warlord (gnucash) 40 murrayc 39 olau 38 sebol 35 neo 35 kabalak 35 mortenw 34 hp 32 mmclouglin 32 rodrigo 30 chrisime [143 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6626 (In the last week: New: +900 Resolved: -807) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1225 (In the last week: New: +84 Resolved: -111) gnome-core: 439 (In the last week: New: +73 Resolved: -76) gtk+: 338 (In the last week: New: +69 Resolved: -83) gnome-vfs: 238 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -2) gnome-applets: 229 (In the last week: New: +31 Resolved: -42) gnome-pilot: 186 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -12) sawfish: 168 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -6) galeon: 156 (In the last week: New: +138 Resolved: -127) GIMP: 142 (In the last week: New: +37 Resolved: -4) gmc: 132 (In the last week: New: +10 Resolved: -0) gphoto: 129 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -0) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: +0 Resolved: -0) control-center: 110 (In the last week: New: +36 Resolved: -15) gnome-pim: 109 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -25) balsa: 95 (In the last week: New: +23 Resolved: -29) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: yaneti@declera.com: 96 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 75 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 73 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 60 bugs closed. clambin@easynet.be: 44 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 37 bugs closed. darin@bentspoon.com: 37 bugs closed. pawsa@theochem.kth.se: 29 bugs closed. cbiesinger@web.de: 24 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 21 bugs closed. jaka@gnu.org: 20 bugs closed. michael@technologyreview.org: 19 bugs closed. charles@rebelbase.com: 17 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 17 bugs closed. snickell@stanford.edu: 17 bugs closed. ============================================================== 17. New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- Wildcard - Program for renaming files. Balsa - Powerfull Email client gxsm - Graphical interface for 2D/3D data visualisation and aquisitation Nova - Free Integrated Observational Environment Gnewspost - Frontend to newspost the NTTP binary newsposter. BEAST/BSE - framework for all sorts of music composition, sequencing and synthesis tasks. conc - Conc is a serial console concentrator package. gmmusic - A music collection database File Roller - An archive manager gtktalog - Easily browse a CDROM database. Guikachu - for graphical editing of resource files for PalmOS-based gnome-db - Database access for GNOME applications Encompass - A lightweight Web Browser using GtkHTML. glade-- - Backend for glade to create C++ sources. gtranslator - Comfortable po file editor GNOME Subtitle Editor - For edititing/manipulating and converting DivX subtitles. linphone - Web-phone. It lets you make two-party phone calls. gcompris - A simple education game. gnome-crystal - Light model visualizer for crystal structures. David - C and C++ code editor GnomeMeeting - Video conferencing software gnome-vfs - Virtual File system gtkmm2 - C++ interface to GTK+ 2.0 polyXmass - Define brand new GTablature - Tablatures (guitar partitions) editor and player GnoSens - Simple HW monitor for gnome panel Sound Monitor applet - A panel applet that shows a vu meter, scope, or a spectrum analyzer Gtkdial - Frontend to the wvdial intelligent PPP dialer Gnotide - Gnotide is a tidal analysis software. For more information on these packages visit the GNOME Software map: http://www.gnome.org/applist/listrecent.php3 Another great week with lots of stuff happening. But next week will be even grander with a new GNOME beta and a new GStreamer release, so stay tuned. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From philippe.defert@cern.ch Thu Mar 7 03:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.cern.ch (smtp3.cern.ch [137.138.131.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B6180E9 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gnuisance.cern.ch (IDENT:defert@gnuisance.cern.ch [137.138.33.85]) by smtp3.cern.ch (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g278g2Ul003029; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:42:02 +0100 (MET) Subject: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Philippe DEFERT To: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 09:42:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at startup. Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? Thanks for your help. Amicalement. Philippe From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 7 04:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20766186CF for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020307090749.XUXH24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:07:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Hongli Lai To: Philippe DEFERT Cc: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> References: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 10:08:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1015492124.1257.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 09:42, Philippe DEFERT wrote: > > I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome > libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of > mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on > Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at > startup. > > Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for > the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with > gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? > > Thanks for your help. > Amicalement. > Philippe > Try install Galeon 1.1.x. It provides a Nautilus viewer component, so you can use Galeon in Nautilus instead of that crappy Mozilla view. :-) From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Thu Mar 7 04:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324818160 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16iu5x-0003Kr-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: keyboard no work when start gdm automatically (non-automatic ok...) Message-ID: <20020307012153.A12822@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Linux on VMWARE on Windoze can run GNOME.... If I start gdm after I login myself then all is fine. If I add gdm to rc.local so done automatically then keyboard doesn't print characters in gdm when I try to type username and passwd. Why gdm autostart doesn't read keyboard anymore? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From bordoley@pilot.msu.edu Thu Mar 7 12:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (pilot22.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B8E18322 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bordoley@localhost) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id g27H6bH31532 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200203071706.g27H6bH31532@pilot22.cl.msu.edu> Subject: gnome 1.41, where is it? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: "David Adam Bordoley" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anyone know when 1.41 will be released. It would be nice to get this out, as it looks like gnome2 is going to be delayed a bit. dave From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Thu Mar 7 13:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC8218FF7 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g27IU9GN004819 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:30:07 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010008070408000002010303" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010008070408000002010303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pawel Salek wrote: > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). 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(5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:03:22.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[83CD6FE0:01C1C61B] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop icons. I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from happening again ?] Thanks, Staven - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 7 16:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579F1989B for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g27L98t09975; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 07 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: >=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious circular-dependency reasons. =20 Havoc From erik@bagfors.nu Thu Mar 7 16:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from detrius.engohol.se (h107n2fls32o808.telia.com [213.67.249.107]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B6E18549 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by detrius.engohol.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B86B1BD8; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E5gfors?= To: Havoc Pennington Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 07 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1015535832.5545.26.camel@detrius> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 22:09, Havoc Pennington wrote: >=20 > R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: > >=20 > > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > > Why it has been abandonned ? > > >=20 > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious > circular-dependency reasons. > =20 So.. will it be used in gnome2? /Erik --=20 Erik B=E5gfors | erik@bagfors.nu Supporter of free software | GSM +46 733 279 273 fingerprint: 6666 A85B 95D3 D26B 296B 6C60 4F32 2C0B 693D 6E32 From michaelv@cox-internet.com Thu Mar 7 18:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from europa.cox-internet.com (europa-cox.cox-internet.com [208.180.118.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131E918253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdm-208-134-146 ([208.180.134.146]) by europa.cox-internet.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 180e1de7f543f89455b24e508f9cca39) with ESMTP id <20020307230916.VERZ4641.europa@cdm-208-134-146>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Michael Vanderford To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 07 Mar 2002 17:11:35 -0600 Message-Id: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: Pawel Salek wrote: =20 > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support=20 > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely=20 > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the=20 > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have an= y=20 > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list =20 The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location= =20 menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). Why it has been abandonned ? =20 --=20 -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- =20 =20 I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need for it not to be. Not the other way around. IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for GNOME is less than desirable. _______________________ Michael Vanderford email: michaelv@cox-internet.com web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv _______________________ --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, Rémi Cohen-Scali wrote: 
Pawel Salek wrote:

>
> On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
>
>> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector
>> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in 
>> 1.3.15, why is that?
>> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till
>> now
>> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but
>> produtive and user friendly
>
>
> I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present 
> GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support 
> and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely 
> productive.
>
> The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the 
> filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any 
> "user friendly" ideas.
>
> -pawel
> _______________________________________________
> gnome-devel-list mailing list
> gnome-devel-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list

The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location 
menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO).
Why it has been abandonned ?

-- 
                                                          -o)
                   Remi Cohen-Scali                       /\\
<Remi@Cohen-Scali.com>          <rcoscali@rcsnet.net>    _\_v
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I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need
for it not to be. Not the other way around.
IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for
GNOME is less than desirable.
_______________________
Michael Vanderford

email: michaelv@cox-internet.com
web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv
_______________________
--=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30-- From frank.rehberger@web.de Thu Mar 7 18:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899D18253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g27NIxv31499; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Message-Id: <200203072319.g27NIxv31499@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: To: "GnomeMaillingList" , "StavenBruce" Subject: Re: Newbie Question Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Staven Bruce schrieb am 07.03.02: > I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 > GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I > had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. > > I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When > I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. > I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the > GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons > were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the > same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, > however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as > ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop > icons. > > I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how > to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from > happening again ?] I asume you changed the name of your machine while Gnome-session was running. I had the same experience with Gnome-1.x The problem might be some session files that are bound to machine-id. Regards, Frank ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Nummer, die sich jeder merkt: Ihre 01212 Wunschrufnummer von WEB.DE! Jetzt sichern: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=990001 From bighead@users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 8 00:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [203.94.254.140]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED21818920 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g285F2Y20024; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f To: Michael Vanderford Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Archit Baweja Date: 08 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 In-Reply-To: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Message-ID: Lines: 76 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? Archit Baweja Michael Vanderford writes: > On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: >=20 > Pawel Salek wrote: >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > > > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector > >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 > >> 1.3.15, why is that? > >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till > >> now > >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but > >> produtive and user friendly > > > > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support= =20 > > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetel= y=20 > > productive. > > > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the= =20 > > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have = any=20 > > "user friendly" ideas. > > > > -pawel > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-devel-list mailing list > > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list >=20=20=20=20=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a locati= on=20 > menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? >=20=20=20=20=20 > --=20 > -o) > Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ > _\_v > ---- >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is > a special need > for it not to be. Not the other way around. > IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, > The one for > GNOME is less than desirable. > _______________________ > Michael Vanderford >=20 > email: michaelv@cox-internet.com > web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv > _______________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8iEjV2rWNPKmGjMcRAsf7AJ9IksVDNRHon+DyYlilOlvBGf3fCwCfbQBR pQWm6Ytq04SY/fFT/7kjACM=3D =3D7ViU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andoylinux@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 00:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pop.jadephil.net (unknown [203.167.110.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192A4182D9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from yahoo.com (unknown [202.164.191.229]) by pop.jadephil.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2960239 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:42:32 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0800 From: Andres Montiel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome does not close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. What could I do to solve this dilemma? - Andres Montiel From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 02:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4524B18342 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.19] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:09:59 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:59 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: background color in gnome-canvas To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi everyone! In my program i am using gnome-canvas. and i want to set the background color of the canvas to a particular color. how can i do that? if someone can help me out..?? thankx Vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Fri Mar 8 03:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD561837C for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g288Jgr11688 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Gnome does not close From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 08 Mar 2002 00:19:41 -0800 Message-Id: <1015575582.26582.25.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 21:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE a= s my=20 > window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome.=20 > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't clo= se.=20 > I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. >=20 > What could I do to solve this dilemma? What's the exact behavior? You choose `exit' (from the menu?), then you get a ``are you sure you want to exit?'' dialog(?) Then you click OK(?) then what? --Ben --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8iHQcBQkCV8iOJocRApzxAJ9fTMvMd994B83+EHnZpZVaX+whGACeIV1U g8x6FkjQ/bWCZBPuN9h8078= =qFm8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV-- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Fri Mar 8 04:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39B1867B for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p192-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.29.192] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jGni-0002Ww-00 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:36:34 +1300 Message-ID: <3C888642.2CA8244@inet.net.nz> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:37:06 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm not working after 8.1 updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I cannot login to gnome with gdm after putting in some MDK 8.1 updates with Red Carpet, it only has default & failsafe listed, if i choose default it loads KDE. I changed to runlevel 3, run "startx gnome" but it starts IceWM. I have only downloaded Red Carpet, Ximian Gnome will be next. How do i get gdm working properly again ? The updates I put in with Red Carpet caused the problem when i booted next day. Updates with Red Carpet on Mar 6 : aspell-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm aspell-en_GB-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm bind-utils-9.2.0-0.rc3.2mdk.i586.rpm ftp-client-krb5-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm krb5-libs-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm libaspell10-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libcups1-1.1.10-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libldap2-2.0.21-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libogg0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.3.i586.rpm libpspell4-0.12.2-2.1mdk.i586.rpm libsnmp0-4.2.3-1.1mdk.i586.rpm procmail-3.22-1.1mdk.i586.rpm xchat-1.8.7-1.1mdk.i586.rpm From syslog: Mar 7 20:29:46 localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/ File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost mandrake_everytime: Building Window Manager Sessions failed These only showed on the first boot (after updates), nothing on next reboots. I also put in these on Mar 8: Mar 8 01:02 control-center-1.4.0.2-9.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:07 dpsftplib-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:08 libdpsftp4-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:47 libvorbis0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:48 perl-GTK-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-GdkImlib-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Glade-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Gnome-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:31 util-linux-2.11h-3.1mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:46 xmms-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-esd-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-gnome-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-mikmod-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm They made no difference. Outer updates i did days earlier at a terminal: at-3.1.8-4.1mdk.i586.rpm enscript-1.6.1-22.1mdk.i586.rpm expect-8.3.3-9.1mdk.i586.rpm flex-2.5.4a-17.1mdk.i586.rpm glibc-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm gnupg-1.0.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm groff-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm groff-for-man-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm gzip-1.2.4a-9.1mdk.i586.rpm htdig-3.2.0-0.5mdk.i586.rpm initscripts-6.27-10.4mdk.i586.rpm iptables-1.2.4-1.1mdk.i586.rpm ldconfig-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libgtop1-1.0.12-4.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-clients-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm passwd-0.64.1-9.1mdk.i586.rpm rsync-2.4.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm slocate-2.6-1.1mdk.i586.rpm There were no problems with these. Thanks for any help you can offer. Dex From bootsy52@gmx.net Fri Mar 8 05:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E7418DE5 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12405 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Received: from pd953cc83.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO gmx.net) (217.83.204.131) by mail.gmx.net (mp008-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3C889619.20607@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:44:41 +0100 From: Carsten Menke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020202 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > Were you running Netscape ? Sometimes, when Gnome runs for over a week and Netscape as it is behaved to Netscape, crashed, it tooks a long time to log out. But Gnome definitley logs out. It only takes some time. Carsten From gnome@lambic.co.uk Fri Mar 8 07:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5AC18E68 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([24.201.134.71]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSNO0Q01.IUY for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:22 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020308125803.1C5AC18E68@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On March 8, 2002 05:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as > my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't > close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. I have the same problem in Mandrake 8.1. I usually switch to a console and kill stuff until Gnome eventually logs out. I haven't narrowed down exactly what is causing the problem but I think it might have something to do with KDE apps running under Gnome. From esoteric@3times25.net Fri Mar 8 08:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBBC184AA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC212A11; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:08:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:08:38 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andres Montiel Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless you've already attempted this. Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From hp@redhat.com Fri Mar 8 12:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0693C18B36 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g28HGbX15235; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Archit Baweja Cc: Michael Vanderford , =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 08 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Archit Baweja writes: > > I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 > release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? > There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. Havoc From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Fri Mar 8 13:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AE718972 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g28HarGN032686; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3C88F6B3.8000801@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:36:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Archit Baweja , Michael Vanderford , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: >Archit Baweja writes: > >>I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 >>release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? >> > >There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. > >Havoc > But for gnome 1.4 is it possible to correct bugs and make changes on GnomeFileSelector bonobo component ? If yes I could have some to post to improve its useability in galeon (the only application I know it is used in for now). -- -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Sat Mar 9 05:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C0181BF for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p353-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.30.99] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jeRJ-0001cd-00 for ; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:01 +1300 Message-ID: <3C89E938.10A41D9B@inet.net.nz> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:36 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gdm not working after 8.1 updates ---> Fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Sorry i thought it was using gdm. The right way to change from kdm to gdm is to create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop with this content: #!/bin/sh export DISPLAYMANAGER="Gnome" That fixed it, but why did the updates brake kdm! Thanks for your help. Have a happy day. Ed From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 02:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23A7182BF for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jyDK-0004Vw-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:57:55 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: Geoffrey , Andres Montiel Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:56:54 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> In-Reply-To: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 08 March 2002 07:08 am, Geoffrey wrote: > At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really > because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent > upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. > I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a > minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and > give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless > you've already attempted this. > > Andres Montiel wrote: > > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and > > choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. > > Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I > > choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? I've been meaning to write about this. I often have the same problem and I'm using FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE. What I have happening is that I click on the taskbar|logout button and gnome just freezes. The panels at the bottom and top of the screen remain, but become totally unresponsive. I haven't waited over a minute, but I think that's a bit much -- especially when I have already quit all the applications I've started in my login session. Fortunately, Gnome doesn't kill the window manager when this happens, so I just use my window manager's root-screen menu to start an xterm, through which I kill gnome-session. (Fwiw, I've used Sawfish wm when Gnome's had this behavior.) In regard to a previous helper's post, I do use Netscape, though I'm not sure if I've used it every time that my Gnome session won't close. I do know this: it hasn't happened after Netscape crashed, because Netscape has never crashed on my system. (That, incidentally, is precisely what made me try FreeBSD a few years ago: Netscape kept bringing my Linux box to its knees.) -- "I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it." -- Harry S. Truman (1884 - 1972) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE8189F9 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00BI10B3HQ@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:16:17 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:41:14 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: background color in gnome-canvas To: Vivek Singhal Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <003601c1c80f$574467d0$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi, you can simply change the style of the widget. Do that as following: GdkColor bgcolor=your_color_here(); GtkStyle * style; GtkStyle * defstyle; GtkWidget * widget=your_widget_here(); defstyle=gtk_widget_get_default_style(); style=gtk_style_copy(defstyle); style->bg[GTK_STATE_NORMAL]=bgcolor; gtk_widget_set_style(widget, style); Note do not modify the default style of widget derectly, you should modiy the copy of it. Kevin From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 03:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B38B180EE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jygy-0000IL-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:28:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: chiara zaniboni , gnome-list Subject: Re: Mouse cursor Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:27:31 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> In-Reply-To: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday 25 February 2002 10:01 am, chiara zaniboni wrote: > Hallo! > It is possible to change the shape of the mouse cursor to have the > clock and not the arrow? > Thank-you! Try these (and you don't have to be root): $ xsetroot -cursor_name clock $ xsetroot -cursor_name watch This one will set it back to the arrow: $ xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -- "Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83281816E for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00B030YFIM@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:30:16 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:55:13 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: compiled ORBit2? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ÕâÊÇ MIME ¸ñʽµÄ¾ßÓкܶಿ·ÖÏûÏ¢¡£ --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? thanks! --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend?
thanks!
--Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)-- From ermshta@ermshta.org Sun Mar 10 03:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D11815D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca ([216.209.174.37]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020310084627.WOCM1234.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:27 -0500 Subject: sounds From: Jee To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 10 Mar 2002 03:46:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? Jee Desjardins P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8ix1h1y89fXtyeSYRAvUpAJ9GuI4aVGy77JbegalLiEaSLD8WvQCgochf vrsKLvcqSsG36wHj3i+4k0c= =6LSs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3-- From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 10 19:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-44.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.45]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A40E18A34 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from u.washington.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2B0JHf04697 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:16 -0800 From: Travis Saling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome mailing list Subject: Ximian's mozilla packages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Is there a trick to getting LDAP enabled in the Mozilla address book (Ximian's 0.9.8 packages)? I haven't used Mozilla Mail for a while; but Evolution can be dog slow at times so I'm (perhaps temporarilly) switching back. Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Any advice or ideas would be appreciated. I have the following RPMs installed: mozilla-xmlterm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-devel-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-psm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-mail-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From mads.randstoft@tellabs.com Mon Mar 11 03:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mx4.tellabs.com (mx4.tellabs.com [204.68.180.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3001C182F9 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (mxdk.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.74.16]) by mx4.tellabs.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACQ05331; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com (pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.110.113]) by mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25059; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:15:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Ximian's mozilla packages From: Mads Randstoft To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Travis Saling In-Reply-To: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> References: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 09:20:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1015834867.831.3.camel@pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 01:19, Travis Saling wrote: Hello! > Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - > but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Works fine for me... Setting Address Autocompletion to "Directory server" And setting scope to "Subtree"... -- Codito, Ergo Sum -- Mads Randstoft Development Engineer Tellabs Copenhagen ============================================================ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ============================================================ From klaus.dahlke@gmx.de Mon Mar 11 17:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EC721822A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22834 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Received: from p508b0719.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.139.7.25) by mail.gmx.net (mp011-rz3) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Subject: compiling Guppi-0.40.3 From: Klaus Dahlke To: gnome-list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 23:31:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015885871.1178.3.camel@p49979> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I tried to compile Guppi-0.40.3 and it fails with: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I. -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"libguppiuseful\" -DGUPPI_PREFIX=\"/app/gnome\" -DGUPPI_PLUGINS=\"/app/gnome/lib/guppi/plug-ins/0.40.3\" -DGUPPI_PIXMAPS=\"/app/gnome/share/pixmaps/guppi\" -DGUPPI_SCRIPTS=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/scripts\" -DGUPPI_GLADE_DIR=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/glade\" -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -Wall -Wunused -c guppi-file.c -fPIC -DPIC -o guppi-file.o guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_getc': guppi-file.c:169: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgetc' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_gets': guppi-file.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgets' guppi-file.c:179: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_peek': guppi-file.c:185: `z_off_t' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:185: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once guppi-file.c:185: for each function it appears in.) guppi-file.c:185: parse error before `where' guppi-file.c:192: `where' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:192: warning: implicit declaration of function `gztell' guppi-file.c:194: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzseek' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_rewind': guppi-file.c:223: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzrewind' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_eof': guppi-file.c:245: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzeof' make[3]: *** [guppi-file.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src/libguppiuseful' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 The Makfile was created by './configure --prefix=/app/gnome --enable-sluggish-linking'. Guppi-0.40.2 could be compiled. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Klaus From don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Tue Mar 12 15:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (heneryhawk.csgsystems.com [205.144.146.213]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B9B186B5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from foghorn.csgsystems.com (foghorn [205.144.147.166]) by heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKTvop028500 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from doud01-linux (doud01-linux.csgsystems.com [10.1.39.173] (may be forged)) by foghorn.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKSvX3008059 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:28:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:30:11 -0600 From: Don Doumakes To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Mounting home directory Message-ID: <20020312143011.A985@doud01-linux.csgsystems.com> Reply-To: don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.0 Lines: 23 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really like using the loop-AES encrypted filesystem function in the new RedHat. It lets me take an encrypted file, mount it as a loopback device, and presto, I have access to my private data. I also like GNOME. I want to use the two at the same time. Here's how I accomplish that now: I log in at a text prompt, then manually mount my encrypted loopback filesystem using my own home directory as a mount point. (This way everything in my home directory tree, including GNOME configuration, browser history, etc., can be stored securely when I'm not around.) I then manually start X. Works great. I should be satisfied, but nooooooo. What I'd prefer to do, is boot into init level 5 and log in from a graphical prompt. At that point, I can pop open a terminal window and manually mount the encrypted file system as before. But this breaks GNOME, or appears to do so: e.g., I can't open another terminal window until I unmount the encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to get GNOME to reread its configuration without logging out? (Or is there a better question to ask?) -- Don Doumakes From jirka@zinc.5z.com Tue Mar 12 18:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zinc.5z.com (zinc.5z.com [64.23.60.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C184E182CF; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by zinc.5z.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g2CNloT23716; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:55:05 -0800 From: George To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Subject: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release Message-ID: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> Mail-Followup-To: George , gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: THISISTHEENDMYONLYFRIENDTHEEND Yes, I completely forgot to make a new release when I should have, so here it is anyway to fix my mistake. A few important fixes are in, so I'd suggest upgrading. Yes, I have been very lazy at doing this maintainer stuff recently due to the aquisition of a little bit more life then I had previously. Not to mention that I now have to like ... work ... and not on GNOME :) And now for the standard part of the release announcement: Ahh, so you have no clue what gdm is? Well if you've read this far ... let's not get into that. Gdm is GNOME Display Manager, the little daemon that lets you log in to your computer. It allows xdmcp multiple login displays, selection of languages, multiple login sessions and generally is much cooler then any xdm clone out there, mostly cuz it isn't an xdm clone to begin with. I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore. News: ===== Highlights of 2.2.5.5: - Security: Unknown users are treated just like bad authentication - Increase welcome string limit to 2048 for long welcome messages, though you should really be careful with such large sizes - Fixed typos (Karsten Weiss, me) - Documentation updates (Pablo Saratxaga) - Translation updates (Abel Cheung, Pablo Saratxaga, Alexander Shopov, Kjartan Maraas, Stanislav Visnovsky, Tőivo Leedjärv, Zbigniew Chyla, Christian Meyer, Karsten Weiss, Christian Rose, Duarte Loreto, Christophe Merlet, Ole Laursen, GNOME PL Team, P. Cholakov, T. Buyukliev) Note: Gdm2 was originally written by Martin K. Petersen , and is now maintained by the Queen of England. Although when she's not answering her email I usually cover for her. Note2: If installing from the tarball do note that make install overwrites most of the setup files, all except gdm.conf and gnomerc. It will however save backups with the .orig extension first. Note3: Distributors, packagers. Please, PLEASE use the standard Gnome script when setting things up as gnome, or at least equivalently working scripts. It should never be OK to just exec gnome-session, that is considered bad form. The script needs to read (if available) the ~/.gnomerc and otherwise read the /gdm/gnomerc file. This allows users and administrators to setup custom startup for gnome. Downloading: ============ ftp://ftp.5z.com/pub/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/sources/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/i386/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/SRPMS/gdm/ This should also be available at some point: http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/alpha/gdm/ Have fun, George PS: I AM THE WALRUS!!! -- George Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From mike@redtux.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 12 21:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (redtux.demon.co.uk [158.152.117.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36718162 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mike by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ky7F-0001me-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? From: mike To: gnome In-Reply-To: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Message-Id: <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-10 at 08:55, kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn wrote: > When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? > thanks! missing glibconfig.h - are you using checkinstall I had this problem too From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Wed Mar 13 02:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC61B18202 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.143.130]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSW00E64HVJ5I@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:49:06 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? To: mike Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <000601c1ca63$8e56c9b0$828f42da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: thanks for your helping, my glib version is not correct that time. now i have installed glib-1.3.15 and added it to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and run ldconfig, after that, configure successed, but when complied, gcc reported undefined to "g_string_spintf", what's wrong? thanks a lot! From jacob@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 11:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (209-6-26-174.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com [209.6.26.174]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227671815F; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jacob@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DGoVh02508; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jacob set sender to jacob@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release From: jacob berkman To: Rodney Dawes Cc: gnome-hackers , gnome-announce , gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk In-Reply-To: <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> References: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:50:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1016038230.2217.3.camel@wet-pants> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 11:04, Rodney Dawes wrote: > #!@XML_I18N_TOOLS_PERL@ -w > > That doesn't look right... shouldn't these be the new scripts, ie, ones > that expand @INTLTOOL_*@? "Bad, Bad Maintainer" indeed. ;) actually it doesn't matter. jacob -- From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 13:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5215C1818C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id NAA14856 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:04:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 310 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lD8a-0007AQ-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:51:13 up 17:46, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've been playing around trying to do useful work in a Gnome environment for several years now. I'm presently building a debian "woody" machine as a replacement for a HP-IX box that has been my primary workstation for 8+ years. I ran Vue on it, and it has _NEVER_ crashed or lost my configs. Also all of it's configs are stored in ASCII files, so it's easy to clone/backup my user environment. I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care to remember. Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular basis? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 13:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FC118BA1 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936012A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Next point, one word, backup? -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From glynn.foster@sun.com Wed Mar 13 13:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF561894E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28857; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdelab6 (cdelab6 [129.156.226.206]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2DIJKx08976; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:19:20 GMT Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Glynn Foster To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 18:13:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1016043211.27639.381.camel@cdelab6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, It will if you start hacking on it and making it stable instead of whinging ;) See ya, Glynn :) From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 13:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F33319272 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DIPZb02350; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 Message-Id: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with good results. I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then unpack the tarball. Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. Sorry not to offer more specific help. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From arthur@linuxbox.nu Wed Mar 13 14:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039A418594 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2DJGBZ06001; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:16:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no problems. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > > Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so > I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not > saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends > troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I > find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases > the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making > sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. > > Sorry not to offer more specific help. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From yves_kurz@web.de Wed Mar 13 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (smtp.datacomm.ch [212.40.5.52]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154019061 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-252-117-glattbrugg2.tiscalinet.ch [212.254.252.117]) by flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DJVX626928 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Yves Kurz To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Mar 2002 20:31:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space left on this device and logout... thats all... yves From tklistaddr@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu Wed Mar 13 14:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu (keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu [129.49.19.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5218153 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from keittlab-6.keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu ([192.168.1.6] helo=keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu ident=tkeitt) by keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lEZX-0000Tp-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Received: by keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Timothy H. Keitt" To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. T. From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 14:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCC41194F3 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4831 invoked by uid 1013); 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: "Timothy H. Keitt" Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a chance, they are working on it. -Josh ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 14:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3094C194F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DJuYd02690; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 Message-Id: <1016049394.1789.59.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > . However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). I'm not really arguing your point, but - I don't fully trust ANY system to save my configs or data, not just Gnome. Also, I'm in the habit of manually tweaking the configuration files directly; I don't think it's necessarily reasonable to expect Gnome to always handle that gracefully. THAT'S why I back it up. :-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 16:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D004618CDC for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DL2EB13948 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em if they know about 'em. On the other hand, users who see the same problems coming up over and over again but can't be bothered to expend the minimal time it takes to file bug reports should not be surprised if the bugs are still there. Cheers, John From culthero@culthero.info Wed Mar 13 16:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A8518CF4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from darthvader.culthero.info (cm254.81.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.81.254]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id ABN10476; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313133504.00b23290@24.234.52.66> X-Sender: culthero%culthero.info@24.234.52.66 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:35:29 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cult Hero Subject: Re: sounds In-Reply-To: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have this same problem. Slackware package install. Slackware manual source install. Gentoo portage install. Every single time I install Gnome I have this problem and I can NEVER get an answer. I've seen the question asked on multiple message boards but no one ever answers. This has got to be a fairly common problem. Does ANYONE know the answer!? At 03:46 AM 3/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play >sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] >doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? > >Jee Desjardins >P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something >about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --- "There's no difference between me and everyone else. All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day." - The Joker From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57132 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 6 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIBm-0000uX-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > >basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > > Next point, one word, backup? > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to begin restoring. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DF518D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57743 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 102 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIDL-0000v1-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 From: stan To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233123.GB3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 08:31:32PM +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space > left on this device and logout... thats all... > That's not what cause _any_ of the destructions I have seen. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0DC18D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58196 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 182 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIEc-0000vL-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:41 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233241.GC3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:25:35AM -0800, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > The fact that you feel obligated to do that speaks volumes for the stability of the Gnome evniroment. IMHO. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B5018D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58670 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 267 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIG0-0000vn-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:07 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running > Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no > problems. > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA59973 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 184 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIJm-0000yK-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:38:03PM -0500, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > > good results. > > > > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian > problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about > this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have > bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) > This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been > focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic > when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ > leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll > have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the lead of out favorite software monoply. NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up every thime. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6FE18577 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA60499 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 263 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIL3-0000yi-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 11:56:01AM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues > are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such > a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their > configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of > different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a > chance, they are working on it. > Look hte point I'm trying to make is that, unless we can get to the point where we _don't_ trash user's configs, then we are no bettor off that the peple using m$. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA091878A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA61657 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 101 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIO2-00010q-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > if they know about 'em. The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug report. My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater entirly. But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually get work done. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 19:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E00B18482 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85F12A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8FEA11.7060501@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > >>stan wrote: >> >> >>>Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work >>>in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular >>>basis? >>> >>Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. >> I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development >>environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying >>it doesn't happen. >> >>Next point, one word, backup? >> >> > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. Pretty simple, backup the whole ,gnome dir, and drop it back in place. > > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 19:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC3C193AD for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA74918; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 169 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIyL-0001IK-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 From: stan To: Josh Steiner Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Josh Steiner , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:14:45 up 1 day, 9 min, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.54, 0.28 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > OK, 2 things here. 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still store config data in (yuck) binary files? 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any progress has been made in this area in several years. Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar with these stnadrds till it meets them. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 19:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F96193F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=awesomeplay.com) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lJ5h-0006dq-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 Received: from 207.75.135.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user elanthis) by mail.awesomeplay.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Sean Middleditch" To: In-Reply-To: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have >> no problems. >> > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right now? ~,^ > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 20:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5D0B18556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10329 invoked by uid 1013); 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > > > OK, 2 things here. > > 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? > What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still > store config data in (yuck) binary files? here is an older paper describing it: http://developer.gnome.org/feature/archive/gconf/gconf.html it has multiple storage backends, including the possiblity for having all your preferences saved on a server, which i really look forward to. > 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing > the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for > real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any > progress has been made in this area in several years. > > Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard > for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure > of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success > of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar > with these stnadrds till it meets them. I beleive Gconf was really introduced around 1.4, but most applications still use the old .gnome/* configuration system, Gnome 2.0 has ported most of the applications to the new system which will be muich more maintanable from both the application developer perspective (so you will see less loss of setting with software updates in the future) and from the sysadmin perspective (you wont need to figure out each systems individul config file quirks). This issue is being addressed. ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 20:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E3318556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2E1Qwf07620 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? Best regards, John From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 20:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F1218556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id UAA05118; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 203 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lK3O-0001p8-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 From: stan To: Sean Middleditch Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 20:25:03 up 1 day, 1:20, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.30, 0.22 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for mine, self destrucing. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. 3. Edit original. 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From iain@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 20:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5472018D9B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8912 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost.localdomain) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: iain To: stan Cc: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ximian, Inc X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Mar 2002 02:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. No it's not. To create the copy, you need twice the space. iain -- "Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself" - Leo Tolstoy. From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 21:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F31956B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lLHc-0006qV-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:48:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Mar 2002 21:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1015987879.4552.6.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 20:29, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for > mine, self destrucing. Ah, OK then. "My bad." > > > > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > > now? ~,^ > > > > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. > However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. Um, that's rather convoluted, and error-prone. The solution I mentioned is the exact same one used, for example, when modifying the /etc/passwd file with vipasswd (or any other such program). It ensures that (at least) no errors occur during the writing of the new passwd file, and that there is always a valid copy (either the old or the new) in place at /etc/passwd, at all times (since the rename is atomic). Of course, as you said, that won't fix whatever causes your GNOME config file mishaps, but it might help those with disk-space errors (especially when .gnome-errors decides to fill up your disk space because some core GNOME component goes crazy ;-) Sean Etc. > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From stuart@bmsi.com Wed Mar 13 22:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B307A19586 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmsaix.bmsi.com (bmsaix [219.109.11.9]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34FkY016872 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:15 -0500 Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (IDENT:root@gathman.bmsi.com [219.109.11.136]) by bmsaix.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34Chw026544 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:13 -0500 Received: from bmsi.com (IDENT:stuart@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gathman.bmsi.com (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g2E2wPc01342 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9011D0.F1579ED0@bmsi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 From: "Stuart D. Gathman" Organization: Business Management Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome mysteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 with Ximian Gnome on several machines from laptop to desktop. 1) On most machines, the GDM login screen blanks the screen after a time out. This is a great feature, and works for remote X terminals and LTSP as well as local video. However, my home machine, running same versions of RPMS, does not blank screen at GDM login. Screen blank does work on text consoles, and for logged in GUI users. It also works for a connected X Terminal (running on 486!). Why does this not work for this one machine? It has Intel Pentium 200, 80M RAM, 15G disk, ATI Mach32 video. 2) I use the Gnome weather applet. On most machines, it works great. On my home machine, it displays the sun symbol, but not the temperature. The configuration is the same in all cases. It gets wierder. On the *same* home machine, it works for everyone elses login. It only doesn't work for my login. I have compared the config files, and they are all identical. Curiously, if I look at my config file, the temperature is there - properly fetched from the web site. It is just not displayed! 3) I use the RedHat PPP applet. It worked fine in RH6.2. In RH7.2, it still works mostly fine, except that after connecting the applet still shows the interface as not connected. If I right click and edit properties, and change the interface selection to another interface then back to the same interface, the display will right itself. This seems like a straitforward bug. 4) Occasionally, for no reason that I can determine (there is plenty of disk space), some part of my Gnome setup is gone when I log in. There were no errors displayed when logging out previously, and no errors in /var/log/messages. For instance, sometimes GMC is gone, and I have to add it back to the session properties. When I logged in this evening, Gnome Panel was gone. I right clicked on the desktop to get a terminal and ran "panel" from the shell, and it came up and added itself back to the session properties. Sometimes, applets disappear from the Panel. For instance, the weather applet disappeared this morning, and the task list and/or desk guide often disappear. It is easy, but a nuisance to add them back. -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From mike@mjv.com Wed Mar 13 22:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from IMGate.wtsonline.net (imgate.wtsonline.net [63.64.122.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741A41957E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from comanchetx.com (mail.comanchetx.com [63.64.122.61]) by IMGate.wtsonline.net (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id EC92B5D1DF for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:08:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mjv.com [65.201.66.47] by comanchetx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37DB7250254; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:05:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C901C14.7070803@mjv.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:42:12 -0600 From: Mike Vanecek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Agreed. I've been using Gnome for over three years as my standard desk-top both at my computer business and at home. Never have I had it totally crater on me - and I beat up on it pretty hard with alpha level software, my own pre-pre-way-pre-alpha software and dozens of windows. Albiet, much of the stability can be atributed to Linux, the user interface has been very tolerant of my explorations and abuse. I've set up some of my clients with Gnome on Linux - totally computer illiterate clients - and they're still plugging along, making their mistakes and learning and Gnome still keeps ticking. The only thing I back up are my project files and database dumps - but that's more for catastrophic changes like system upgrades or hardware failure - the usual reasons to back up. Like anything else - on any pretty good product, you'll always have problem cases. From the Ferrari to FreeBSD, you'll have a few out there that are beset with difficulties. But a chronic problem unique to an individual needs to be adressed. As far as this one person's seemingly chronic problems, a little reflection on circumstances may help. What's been consistently the same on each issue? Hint - same person. Evaluate how you configure your systems, run over and verify what you believe to be true and compare it to what actually is true. Since the problem seems to be happening on more than one platform over different versions of Gnome, and that this doesn't seem to be a chronic Gnome problem to everyone, evaluate what remains the same. Not a personal bash - I've had identical problems in several different systems and discovered that I was at fault (wanted badly to blame it on Microsoft). It happens. Explore the community as a whole - run the archives - if you don't see your problem cropping up as a chronic problem, then move on in your research to find the culprit. Don't sit around bashing Gnome and automatically assuming it's at fault. Only the people with solutions to provide have that right anyway... Also examine seemingly unrelated settings - examine your CMOS and system settings and potential hardware problems or even dirty electricity, etc... It's a puzzle - take the challenge and run with it. Gnome isn't perfect. If you still suspect it being a problem with Gnome, rather than ranting -dig in and locate that problem or partner up with a developer with the skills to do so. Make a negative a positive. Gnome is what you make of it - no more and no less. I for one am extremely thankful for the hard work and late nights/early mornings that developers have expended to make Gnome what it is today. Millions of dollars in man-hours just given away. It's inspired me to learn gui programming. And, it's earned my trust in depending on it for my business and personal computing. Cheers, Mike John Fleck wrote: >On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > >>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: >>> >>>>I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care >>>>to remember. >>>> >>>You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, >>>and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's >>>certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users >>>serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their >>>problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience >>>in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em >>>if they know about 'em. >>> >>The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide >>a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug >>report. >> > >Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" >pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a >problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. > >This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common >problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual >problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else >who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. > >You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens >and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they >supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? > >Best regards, > >John >_______________________________________________ >gnome-list mailing list >gnome-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 23:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9656181C9 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id XAA60846; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 170 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lMVv-0002rJ-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 From: stan To: iain Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314040651.GA10890@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: iain , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 23:04:24 up 1 day, 3:59, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.21, 0.13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:33:19AM +0000, iain wrote: > > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > > 3. Edit original. > > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. > > No it's not. > To create the copy, you need twice the space. Mmm, you've got the swquncee wrong. Step 1 is where you create the copy, and where you need the space. After taht no more space is needed, except perhaps when you do something that _adds_ to the new copy. But once you have the copy made, you can always back out to it. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 14 06:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B16618510 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16lT0C-00063a-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314110232.D20351@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 or thereabouts, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > >basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > Next point, one word, backup? > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. I'll preface this by saying that whilst I have done amazing things to my Gnome setup, I've never actually trashed the entire thing. Despite this, I do keep test accounts, where I -- well. Test stuff :) Before doing it for real. On the .gnome files, here's a rough guide. This account was created on RH 5.2 (and Gnome 1.0, which was far more unstable than Gnome is these days, despite having far less in it), and successively migrated through the subsequent betas and releases to RH 7.2, so not everything here may actually get created by default in RH 7.2. Things change :) In .gnome/ almost everything is an ascii text file. "file * | grep -v text" shows you the rest. The one big exception is metadata.db which is apparently "Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)" for me. I have a lot of gnome-terminal-random-letter files for no apparent reason: the only difference appears to be the geometry and the dates on them look like the last few times I restarted X. I believe they're just session-manager stuff. My defaults and tclasses (a gnome-terminal thing) are actually in the .gnome/Terminal file. All the text files have a roughly similar format: geometry, font, editor, needs_term (true or false) and so on. panel.d/ or panel.d/default contains your launchers and stuff from the panel. If I want to start over completely from scratch, I'd move or remove the entire directory. I'd also go on a blitz through /tmp removing all the /tmp/.ICE-unix/ /tmp/.esd/ and ./.swafish-username/ stuff I had permissions to remove. These are mostly sockets. I don't think it hurts to remove these :) I'd do it when not in GNOME though, just in case. I have lost the original mail. Was it GNOME as a whole hanging? Specific apps crashing? I am curious whether the same thing happens in X or KDE (in which case I'd blame X). You can get X error messages from /var/log/XFree86.[display].log (and hmm, I seem to have a lot about GetModeLine in there: should I worry?) When you mention you're spending hours rebuilding Gnome, is this building as in compiling, or as in setting up default settings, or what? Telsa From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 10:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06F291856F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314150229.36241.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: queries regarding gnome-canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am using gnome canvas in my program. - how to define a "clipping area" ( i want only a selected circular area to be visible )in it. ? - how to change the "text", once the gnome_canvas_item TEXT has been created in the canvas ( that is i want to update the text of the "text item")? - how to add a widget to the canvas ? thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Thu Mar 14 10:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A739F18613 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2EFGPZ00985; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 14 Mar 2002 10:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" in the way you are describing. Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a bigger hard drive. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:27, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > > > > > -- > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 15:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com [161.114.1.208]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE2F18113 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118013822; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:38:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9CECB1; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id MAA28129; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2EKcHv484962; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until I freed space (as root). Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database that gets lost. The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll generally have lots of obscure usage. - Jim -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 16:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (zcamail04.zca.compaq.com [161.114.32.104]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26101967F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6468A25; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776A6E52; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id NAA11452; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2ELD49492385; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142113.g2ELD49492385@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: "Arthur H. Johnson II" Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The fact that Gnome can leave your machine in a unusable state (to the point of being unable to log in) when it runs out of disk space, without once warning you it is dying, is *not* a feature. What I would hope is when key data needs to be written, the return code from write would be checked, the user warned if it is out of space, and a retry possible. Right now, you can lose entirely this way (as I did week before last). - Jim > To: Sean Middleditch > Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > ----- > No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" > days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" > in the way you are describing. > > Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to > assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really > think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a > bigger hard drive. > -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 09:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49C85181EC for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:10:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315141048.8227.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas!! To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 15 10:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835718245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2FEsBZ24565; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Jim Gettys Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> References: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 15 Mar 2002 09:57:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1016204232.2947.0.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really dont know how to respond to this. I never have problems like this with GNOME, of course I dont let my hard drive fillup either. On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 15:38, Jim Gettys wrote: > Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. > > I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was > completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until > I freed space (as root). > > Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. > This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database > that gets lost. > > The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you > happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find > over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll > generally have lots of obscure usage. > - Jim > > -- > Jim Gettys > Cambridge Research Laboratory > Compaq Computer Corporation > jg@pa.dec.com > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 11:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF48E18245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315164337.46993.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From pclouds@fptnet.com Sat Mar 16 21:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (dns2.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BE518FB4 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn (isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.131]) by dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2H2WZq28206 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:32:35 +0700 Received: from hcm.fpt.vn ([203.162.45.132]) by isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G35KPQN8; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:36:40 +0700 Received: from [203.162.59.211] by hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.132] Received: (from pclouds@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2G3MHB05085 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:16 -0500 From: pclouds To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: get packages from cvs through firewall Message-ID: <20020315222216.A5074@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello I have written two scripts which allow to checkout or rdiff from CVS by web. I can't access CVS because of firewall. Hope it useful for people like me. cvs.cgi is the cgi script. You put it on web server. The result of this script will be translated by translate_cvs.pl. The scripts are simple. They don't support password and other commands of cvs. --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cvs.cgi" #!/usr/bin/perl use CGI ':standard'; use Socket; sub die_html { print "ERROR: @_\nERROR: $!\n"; exit 0; } if (param('start') ne "start") { $ENV{'SCRIPT_NAME'}=~ s#^/?#/#; print <CVS Query Valid commands are: checkout, rdiff, rtag.

An additional command is "gzip <level>" which is like the param "-z <level>".

CVS Host:
Repositry dir:
User:
Command:
EOF exit 0; } print "Content-types: plain/text\n\n"; $root = param('root'); $host = param('host'); $user = param('user'); $port = 2401; $command = param('command'); $command =~ s/\r/\n/sg; $command .= "\n"; print "Host=$host\nRoot=$root\nUser=$user\n\n"; $| = 1; $buf = ""; $output = \*STDOUT; %valid_cmd = (co => "ok", rdiff => "ok", rtag => "ok", gzip => "ok", output => "ok"); $password = "A"; $iaddr = inet_aton($host) || die_html "No host"; $cmd_authen="BEGIN AUTH REQUEST\n$root\n$user\n$password\nEND AUTH REQUEST\n"; $cmd_init = "Root $root\n"; socket(SOCK, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, getprotobyname('tcp')) || die_html("Create socket failed") ; connect(SOCK, sockaddr_in($port,$iaddr)) || die_html("Connect failed") ; select((select(SOCK), $|=1)[0]) ; # unbuffer the socket $sock = \*SOCK; print $sock $cmd_authen; $line = read_line(); die_html "Authentication failed" if ($line ne "I LOVE YOU"); print $sock $cmd_init; print "START\n"; while (1) { do { if ($command =~ /^([^\n]+)\n/) { $cmdline = $1; } else { print "QUIT\n"; exit 0; } print "CMD $cmdline\n"; $command =~ s/^[^\n]*\n+//s; @param = split (/ +/,$cmdline); $cmd = shift @param; } while ($valid_cmd{$cmd} ne "ok"); $cmd="co" if ($cmd eq "checkout"); if ($cmd eq "gzip") { print $sock "gzip-file-contents $param[0]\n"; next; } if ($cmd eq "output") { $cmdline =~ /^output (.*)/; open HANDLE, $1; $output = \*HANDLE if defined (HANDLE); next; } foreach $str (@param) { print $sock "Argument $str\n"; } print $sock "$cmd\n"; do { $line = read_line(); print $output $line."\n"; if ($line =~ /^M (.*)$/) { print "MSG $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^E (.*)$/) { print "ERR $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^Updated (.*)$/) { $path = read_line(); $entry = read_line(); $mode = read_line(); print "UPDATE <$1> <$path> <$entry> <$mode>\n"; &get_file; } else { print "WOW <$line>\n"; } } while ($line ne "ok" and $line !~ /^error/); } sub read_line { local ($len, $buffer); while ($buf !~ /^[^\n]*\n/) { $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,1024; $buf = $buf . $buffer; } $buf =~ /^([^\n]*)\n/; $buffer = $1; $buf =~ s/[^\n]*\n//; return $buffer; } sub get_file { local ($size, $len, $realsize); $size = read_line(); $size = $1 if ($size =~ /^z(.*)/); print "GET $size\n"; if (length($buf)) { $realsize = $size < length($buf) ? $size : length($buf); $buf =~ /^(.{$realsize})/s; print "$1"; $buf =~ s/^.{$realsize}//s; $size -= $realsize; } while ($size > 0) { $realsize = $size < 1024 ? $size : 1024; $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,$realsize; print "$buffer"; #print RAW $buffer; $size -= $len; } print "GET DONE\n"; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/x-perl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="translate_cvs.pl" #!/usr/bin/perl sub extract_file { $path = ""; foreach $i (split(/\//,$_[0])) { $path .= "$i/"; mkdir $path; } $entry = $_[2]; $entry =~ m,/([^/]+)/,; $path .= $1; open HANDLE,"> $path" || die "Can not create $path.\n"; $_ = <>; die "Bad file\n" unless /GET (\d+)/; $size = $1; read STDIN,$buffer,$size; $end = <>; die "Read error\n" unless defined($buffer) && length($buffer) == $size && $end eq "GET DONE\n"; print HANDLE $buffer; close HANDLE; if ($gzip) { print "Unzipping... "; system "mv $path $path.gz"; if (system "gunzip $path.gz") { print "Failed\n"; system "mv $path.gz $path"; } else { print "Done\n"; } } print "Create $path ($size bytes)\n"; } $gzip = 0; while (<>) { # print ">> $_"; chomp; exit 0 if $_ eq "QUIT"; $gzip = $1 if /^CMD gzip (\d)/; extract_file($1,$2,$3,$4) if /^UPDATE <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)>/; print "$1\n" if /^MSG (.*)/; print STDERR "$1\n" if /^ERR (.*)/; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From patrick.m.lane@csun.edu Sat Mar 16 23:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FC3180F2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([63.204.176.122]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT300EU2N7S0P@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:18 -0800 From: Patrick Lane Subject: Fonts in gnome-terminal To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the only one that looks right. --Patrick From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sat Mar 16 23:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ACE18136 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mS9u-0005tj-00 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 23:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016339002.20162.32.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 23:02, Patrick Lane wrote: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. Most fonts aren't uni-spaced. Normal text looks a little "funny" when all the letters/symbols are the same width (a lower-case l shouldn't be as wide as a capital M). Obviously, on a terminal, you want them to all be a uniform width. The Terminal fonts are uni-width fonts. Most of the rest aren't. > > --Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 00:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2DC184F2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H5WGZ11716; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Lane Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Lane writes: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. > You can only use monospace (fixed-width) fonts. If you go to the "filter" tab you can set a filter to display only those I think. GNOME 2 gnome-terminal will do this, only allow you to choose fonts that will work. Havoc From stanb@awod.com Sun Mar 17 01:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E77518316 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id BAA39764 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 39 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16mToz-00051r-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 01:02:18 up 13:07, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.37, 0.55 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > entirly. > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > get work done. > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels were gone :-( Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug report on this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 17 01:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-1-51.oz.net [216.39.134.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002B188C2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H6B4904307; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Fonts in gnome-2 From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom font. What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my existing TrueType fonts to the mix? -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From hongli@telekabel.nl Sun Mar 17 03:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118DE180D9 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from telekabel.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020317082321.UMQE24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@telekabel.nl>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3C9452C5.4040107@telekabel.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:24:37 +0100 From: Hongli Lai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: nl, nl-be, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-2 References: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Travis Saling wrote: > I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take > more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, > how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to > the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom > font. > > What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not > show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the > font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 > keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my > existing TrueType fonts to the mix? > If you turn anti-aliasing off, you can use all the fonts X provides you. But when you turn anti-aliasing on (use Xft), somehow you get a whole different list of font names! (such as Arial suddenly replaced by Nimbus Sans L???) This is confusing, could somebody explain this? From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 11:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C3180E3 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2HGToC20206; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan writes: > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. Havoc From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Sun Mar 17 22:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FE188F5 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16mnRc-0001kX-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D624518162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mncM-00089w-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 22:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1016421484.26959.4.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sounds like your PAM setup may be incorrect; in /etc/pam.d/gdm is the PAM setup for GDM (this is assuming Slackware uses PAM... I haven't used Slackware in some time). Specifically, check the auth lines. They should be similar to (or exactly like) the auth lines in, for example, /etc/pam.d/login. If you have an exotic authentication system (LDAP, NIS, etc.) you have to be a bit more careful, just as a warning. On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From omega@temple-baptist.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AD718162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2I3Kln29994; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:20:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Christian Seberino In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 19:19:54 -0800 Message-Id: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by .xsession-errors, nothing more. Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same packages do *not* do this. It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 23:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C95A182CD for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16moM5-0008Dy-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:02:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 23:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1016424319.26959.7.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have that problem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same computers, with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:19, Erik Walthinsen wrote: > On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their > machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to > me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never > shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. > It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is > some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by > .xsession-errors, nothing more. > > Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly > updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same > packages do *not* do this. > > It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know > if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. > > Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator > __ > / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! > | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** > _\ /_ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Sun Mar 17 23:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41B18890 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2I3vJ6D004518 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: <3C95659D.4070404@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:17 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020314 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Gnome 1.4.1rc1 build for Sparc Solaris2.8 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030402020600060102090507" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030402020600060102090507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hye For whom is interrested I just build a (almost) full gnome & gnome-fifth installation (including nautilus, galeon, evolution and many more and even mozilla) for Solaris2.8 sparc, and made it available as rpm packages. 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Message-ID: <20020318002729.A7478@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil>; from seberino@spawar.navy.mil on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 07:04:20PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I did "ps aux" and noticed mutiple gdm processes where running IMMEDIATELY AFTER REBOOTING (and logging in remotely with ssh). Why did 2 gdm's appear after rebooting??? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From jverel@optonline.net Mon Mar 18 09:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (unknown [168.144.1.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9318CB4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w078 ([168.144.108.78]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 159.10.4.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: "jverel@optonline.net" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 To: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Reply-To: jverel@optonline.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 14:55:54.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[01017D70:01C1CE8D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice = login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default deskto= p configuration when you go back in. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 18 16:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F6187FA for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW2L>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. ----------------->>>> Hay Havoc On one of my old systems (486-50 updated with a AMD 586-100 and 64MB RAM) and some funky video card... HP Ultra VGA) has some similar problems. Here is the specifics: I can only use the XF86 VGA server in 640 x 480 x 8 (or it might be 16) mode. After installing RH 72 (and of course GNOME) I started my xserver and the desktop appears then the bottom panel, a couple applets appear (in the none complete icon state) and before they gain the full icon state of the applet, the panel applet crashes leaving no panels on the desktop. I'm able to start a terminal and call any program but the panel applets always crash. At this point I was not sure if this is the panel or the panel applets. So knowing how great Ximian is I loaded it up hoping maybe my problems would be solved. The install went great. Then starting of the new Ximian GNOME desktop crashed at Doorman, then at the Panel applet as it did with the initial GNOME. I know this is an old system and it's purpose is singular on our network, so I usually vncviewer into this system, which also works fine (except for the above mentioned crashes). I use vnc because I can set the desktop to a range higher than the hardware will allow. However, the aforementioned errors happen in both the vncserver and sitting at the system. Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need another set of eyes. From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 00:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF35180FB for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nCds-0003Xk-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: "jverel@optonline.net" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020318215840.A13599@spawar.navy.mil> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jverel@optonline.net on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: John Thank you very much! This makes perfect sense and I tried it and so far it fixed problem. Of course it was sporadic before so I'll be more sure it worked as time goes on. What do you think about adding a line to rc.local to scrub the /tmp directory at every reboot??? That should provide nice insurance for this. What would cause these /tmp files to get mangled??? My desktop PC never had this problem.. only this new laptop?!?!?! Thanks again, Chris On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. > > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. > > Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default desktop configuration when you go back in. > > John > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? > > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From kliermanm@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 19 14:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from motgate4.mot.com (motgate4.mot.com [144.189.100.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55019187 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate4.mot.com (motgate4 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA13182 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from pronto1.comm.mot.com (pronto1.comm.mot.com [173.6.1.22]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA09391 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:14 -0700 (MST)] Received: from beta1 (beta1 [173.5.173.1]) by pronto1.comm.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29106 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:42:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: solaris and gnome2 (gnome-vfs) From: Ken Lierman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:42:12 -0600 Message-Id: <1016566934.1268.26.camel@beta1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hey all, I thought i'd take a crack at compiling gnome2 on my solaris 2.6 machine here at work.... (BTW, thanks for garnome... making it tolerable, at least :). Anyway, i've had a few minor compilation issues (which i'll log soon), but i'm totally stuck with gnome-vfs-1.9.10. Here's what i get (compiling gnome-vfs-application-registry.c): /usr/include/signal.h:198: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h: In function `sigwait': /usr/include/signal.h:200: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h:201: `__setp' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/include/signal.h:201: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/include/signal.h:201: for each function it appears in.) anyone see this before? signal.h and sys/signal.h are just FILLED with conditional compilations.... ug. Any ideas? Thanks! Ken From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 16:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BA318197 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nQj2-0004Qp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: How many gdm processes does gdm require? Message-ID: <20020319130056.A17036@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How many gdm's should I see on a normal ps aux output?? I see 3 even though no one is using this PC!?!?!? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From dbp24@ee.byu.edu Tue Mar 19 16:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from krum.ee.byu.edu (krum.ee.byu.edu [128.187.114.160]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CC189F4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.byu.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by krum.ee.byu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2JLEXp16785 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 From: Devin Baker Pratt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Terminal bell properties Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn down the volume. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Tue Mar 19 17:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C819256; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020319222818.DDVD604.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:28:18 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 19 Mar 2002 23:21:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1016576506.1347.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released 2. Sun release abicheck 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' 7. Abiword on O'Reilly 8. GNOME 2 software popping up 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out 10. First release of Gior 11. Bug Day Reminder 12. Translated GNOME summaries 13. Hacker Activity 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity ============================================================== 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The fast growing Rhythmbox team lead by Jorn Baayen and Bastien Nocera had their first official release this last week. Rhythmbox is a music management program which aims at taking care of all your needs in relation to playing music on a computer. This first release just plays your mp3 or ogg files but development is moving rapidly and many more features are planned as shown on the rhythmbox homepage. http://www.rhythmbox.org/ ============================================================== 2. Sun release abicheck -------------------------------------------------------------- Sun Microsystems has released Abicheck under the LGPL to the GNOME community. Abicheck is a tool to make sure that the libraries ABI stay 100% compatible, within the same release series. As part of this release they have made ABI docs for glibc and GNOME. More info on the abicheck homepage. http://abicheck.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The GStreamer team did a new release of the GStreamer Multimedia Framework. This release featured among other things a new autoplugger and many new plugins. The release is also needed if you want to try out the first two released applications based on GStreamer namely the the Gst-Player and Rhythmbox releases. http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/notice.php http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/gstplayernotes.php ============================================================== 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Our friends of the Gnucash project made another release this week. The new version features tweaks for the exchange rate calculation so that it will work in even more complicated cases, involving different Euroland and other currencies, added Edit Report Options hyperlink to warnings in reports and added workaround for Guppi barchart legend sorting (broken in Guppi 0.40.0 - 0.40.3). http://www.gnucash.org/ ftp://ftp.gnucash.org/pub/gnucash/ ============================================================== 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 -------------------------------------------------------------- The GTK+ team is proudly announced to the world the release of version 2.0 of the GTK+ widget toolkit and associated libraries (GLib, Pango, and ATK). These libraries are the result of 3 years work with contributions from hundreds of volunteers. This release represents a major step forward in free software user interface toolkits. This release brings with it many improvements in API and widget functionality, accessibilty support, unsurpased i18n support and support for anti-aliasing. All this for the first time available in a library available under the LGPL license a license that is open and free to all developers no matter what license they choose to use for their software. http://www.gtk.org/2.0.0-announce.html ============================================================== 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' -------------------------------------------------------------- The second GNOME desktop beta was out this week and according to many this beta is stable enough to use on a daily basis if you are willing to be a little forgiving with your desktop. Bugfixing goes on at great pace thanks to the dedicated effort of the GNOME team. One person I think deserves a special mention this time around is Kevin Vandersloot who now maintains both gnome-applets and gnome-utils and is very quick to respond to new bug reports as shown by him being high both on the cvs commits list but also on the bug-hunters list. Thanks Kevin. Anyway please read the release notes for more information about this release. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-March/msg00181.html ============================================================== 7. Abiword on O'Reilly -------------------------------------------------------------- That GNOME has the best applications there can be little doubt about. This week O'Reilly published an article presenting our favourite word processor Abiword to the world. The article gives some positive insight into the history of the project, where it is now and where its heading. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/03/14/abiword.html ============================================================== 8. GNOME 2 software popping up -------------------------------------------------------------- The first software release for GNOME 2 is starting to appear. In addition to the mentioned Rhythmbox and Gst-Player releases mentioned earlier we had releases of Gnumeric, File Roller and Eye Of GNOME. More ports are started so expect to see more in the coming weeks. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00017.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00033.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00037.html ============================================================== 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out -------------------------------------------------------------- The GtkAda team announced the release of GtkAda 2.0.0 release this week. This makes Ada the first language bindings to have a non-development release of bindings for the new GTK+ 2.0 release. Maybe this is the chance you have been waiting for to try out the Ada programmig language? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00029.html ============================================================== 10. First release of Gior -------------------------------------------------------------- Since we have had a CORBA story for the last couple of summaries I thought we needed one this week also. Frank Rehberger has made a fun little tool which lets you dump CORBA ior's and ping associated objects. You find it and a screenshot at the link below. http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~frehberg/gior.html ============================================================== 11. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org also this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). While the bug team has gotten many great volunteers the last few weeks more is needed so please stop by. ============================================================== 12. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 13. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 93 gnumeric 80 evolution 56 profterm 48 gimp 47 gok 45 gnome-applets 42 gnome-panel 42 gtk+ 41 SashComponents 40 rhythmbox-new 39 gnome-control-center 35 vte 33 nautilus 32 galeon 29 gal 25 gtkmm-root 24 encompass 24 pan 23 ggv 21 gnome-utils [134 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 57 minmax 48 dtb 48 frob 46 ajshankar 38 jamesh 38 stano 36 jpekka 34 michael 34 jbaayen 32 nalin 30 jody 29 chrisime 29 menthos 29 murrayc 29 fejj 27 hp 26 kmaraas 25 dobey 24 kevinv 24 ettore [138 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6779 (In the last week: New: 1116, Resolved: 887, Difference: +229) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1149 (In the last week: New: 130, Resolved: 104, Difference: +26) gtk+: 399 (In the last week: New: 78, Resolved: 36, Difference: +42) gnome-core: 312 (In the last week: New: 97, Resolved: 131, Difference: -34) gnome-vfs: 245 (In the last week: New: 2, Resolved: 5, Difference: -3) gnome-applets: 235 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 13, Difference: +20) galeon: 177 (In the last week: New: 191, Resolved: 174, Difference: +17) gnome-panel: 168 (In the last week: New: 114, Resolved: 39, Difference: +75) gnome-pilot: 165 (In the last week: New: 6, Resolved: 42, Difference: -36) sawfish: 165 (In the last week: New: 12, Resolved: 7, Difference: +5) GIMP: 157 (In the last week: New: 17, Resolved: 12, Difference: +5) control-center: 141 (In the last week: New: 57, Resolved: 33, Difference: +24) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: 0, Resolved: 0, Difference: 0) gmc: 111 (In the last week: New: 4, Resolved: 4, Difference: 0) balsa: 106 (In the last week: New: 18, Resolved: 7, Difference: +11) gnome-utils: 101 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 26, Difference: +7) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: heath@pointedstick.net: 127 bugs closed. yaneti@declera.com: 126 bugs closed. kmaraas@gnome.org: 78 bugs closed. bordoley@msu.edu: 55 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 51 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 35 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 28 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 24 bugs closed. kfv101@psu.edu: 23 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 21 bugs closed. james@daa.com.au: 18 bugs closed. iain@ximian.com: 17 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 16 bugs closed. srittau@jroger.in-berlin.de: 15 bugs closed. jacob@ximian.com: 14 bugs closed. There is no new and updated software listing this week. The new software map registers every change to the application entry which means that the script generating a list of new releases generated a huge list as maintainers have been updating their entries for the new map as this activity goes back to normal the new and updated software list will be back. The cvs stats and bug hunting stats are for last week only. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B8B182E0 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMfMe22624; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:41:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt Havoc From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB101925E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMgWB22628; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Devin Baker Pratt Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Terminal bell properties References: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Devin Baker Pratt writes: > I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is > annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I > found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn > down the volume. > It's in the keyboard applet (for no good reason really - it's the "keyboard bell" if you stretch things I guess). Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 18:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6C11928F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2JNXjY02298 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:46 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Reply-To: Jeff Trefftzs From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:45 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all - A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is this problem already fixed? TIA, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 18:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B519297 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2JNdwL19145 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at least that i can see. anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be hacked, and what the values ought to be? thanks very much. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 19:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9F1192A3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2K0GR708889; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:27 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: Message from dep of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 EST." <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:26 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi dep - They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed RH-7.1 system. HTH, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 19:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD7E18267 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K0PbJ19442 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> In-Reply-To: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed | RH-7.1 system. that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jverel@optonline.net Tue Mar 19 20:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B97180E2 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2K1x2O02729; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Jeff Trefftzs Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020319205902.B2140@Verdi> References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Have you tried rxvt? John On 03/19/02, 03:33:45PM -0800, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and > would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is > this problem already fixed? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From dachristy@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 21:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4E91812A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust46.tnt3.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.124.46] helo=localhost.localdomain) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16nWDK-00017F-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 From: D Christy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | +----------------------------------------+ From bordoley@msu.edu Tue Mar 19 22:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071DE18112 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320033034.FXCA1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:30:34 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: D Christy Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:30:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. dave On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 21:52, D Christy wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 > dep wrote: > > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. > > > -- > ^----^ > (- 0) > +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ > | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | > | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | > | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | > +----------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 22:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD661829B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K3ZeC20153 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: another probably silly question Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: name newname and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing, everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. tia. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From pnelson@neatech.com Tue Mar 19 22:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F806187E1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW0R>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt ----------------->>>> Yeah I should have included them. I really just figured it was an old machine and that was causing my problems so I just used a different desktop and vncviewer (twm). However I would like to solved this if possible. So here are the errors that happen after startx is issued. 1. Ximian Doorman seg faults at process 1679 2. Panel seg faults at process 1736 Note that the doorman thing now tries to start every time before GNOME (or after not sure about the sequence, but prior to the desktop load) and this is because it fails. Here is the output of gdb: Made a file called gdbcmd.txt that consists of 2 lines: run --sync bt then ran the following command to produce the 2 files attached: 1. gdb panel -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> panel.txt 2>&1 2. gdb doorman -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> doorman.txt 2>&1 During the run of panel a box comes up saying that panel is already running do you want to start a new panel Yes or No. Selecting either lands same result. Is this enough info for ya? ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doorman.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doorman.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 208 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 #1 0x402360bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", = rowstride=3D2112, alpha=3D1, cmap=3D0x807d608) at = gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4023644e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x8126b60, = src=3D0x8126ab8,=20 cmap=3D0x807d608, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D528, height=3D42) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x0804d139 in _start () #4 0x0804d277 in _start () #5 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80886b0,=20 func=3D0x804d1a8 <_start+2216>, func_data=3D0x0, args=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x403060be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x81262d0, = signal=3D0xbfffdcb0,=20 object=3D0x80886b0, params=3D0xbfffdd10, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4030551f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x40337d3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x40337a21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at gtkbox.c:606 #12 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8088310,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8088310, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8088310, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x402e012e in gtk_notebook_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtknotebook.c:505 #17 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80880f0,=20 func=3D0x402e0004 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe480) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe480) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at gtkbox.c:606 #22 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8087cd0,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe820) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe820) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at gtkbox.c:606 #27 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8083400,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8083400, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8083400, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x4026f394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at gtkbin.c:133 #32 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80876b8,=20 func=3D0x4026f290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffef50) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffef50) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #36 0x40341d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #37 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #38 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #39 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #40 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #41 0x403419aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #42 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #43 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #44 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #45 0x403371c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #46 0x0804d934 in main () #47 0x40522306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x804d7b4
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x804bb54 <_init>, fini=3D0x80562a0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="panel.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="panel.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 172 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 #1 0x4035c0bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8150310,=20 pixels=3D0x8148600 "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/", rowstride=3D24, = alpha=3D0, cmap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4035c44e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x0, = src=3D0x8150238,=20 cmap=3D0x80d4938, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D7, height=3D7) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x080a1077 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #4 0x080a1209 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #5 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812b610,=20 func=3D0x80a11e8 , = func_data=3D0x0,=20 args=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x4042c0be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x80c0280, = signal=3D0xbfffe350,=20 object=3D0x812b610, params=3D0xbfffe3b0, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4042b51f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812b610, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812b610, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x4045dd3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x4045da21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x40403b4d in gtk_menu_shell_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkmenushell.c:357 #12 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812aa28,=20 func=3D0x40403a28 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe780) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe780) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x4039964d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at gtkbox.c:606 #17 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812a1a0,=20 func=3D0x40399534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x40395394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at gtkbin.c:133 #22 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129d78,=20 func=3D0x40395290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x40467d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #27 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff240) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff240) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x404679aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #32 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff630) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff630) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x4045d1c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #36 0x08066b97 in init_user_panels () #37 0x0805e53d in main () #38 0x4050c306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x805e288
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x8056eac <_init>, fini=3D0x80a8cb0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0-- From anand.subra@wipro.com Wed Mar 20 00:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AE418653 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2K5gKG15252 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:12:20 +0530 (IST) Received: from wipro.com ([127.0.0.1]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9BT000.S3B; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:11:24 +0530 From: "Anand Subramanian" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <196779196960.196960196779@wipro.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:24 +0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at > school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start > getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already > logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running > programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have > thatproblem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same > computers,with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Able to reproduce this *every* time I reboot my Red Hat Linux 7.1 box. I was startled initially when this problem occured. > Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? This problem persists, although I have the latest packages built from the CVS Can anyone please suggest a solution for this ? -Anand From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 00:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70586189C9 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2K5njn11091; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:49:45 -0800 Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: jverel@optonline.net Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 21:48:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 06:55, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. > You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it > should be fixed after the first such time. I did this on my parent's machine, it didn't help. > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then > login again. Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From paul.lewis@karachi.freeuk.com Wed Mar 20 01:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB561811C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from karachi.edinburgh ([62.252.152.39]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320060337.WKXT8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@karachi.edinburgh>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:03:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:05:20 +0000 From: Paul Lewis To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320060520.A3027@karachi.Edinburgh> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 00:25:37 +0000 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre3 Lines: 26 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 2002.03.20 00:25 dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > > -- > dep > -- Hi, I don't think it is parculiar to ximian. I can get to the panel properties dialogue (ximian Gnome), maybe it's a rights issue for your user. From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 20 01:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-2-19.oz.net [216.39.134.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D08718A3D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2K6KLW03274; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 Message-Id: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with or without the clock) as a regular old applet. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 01:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B760618C27 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320062359.VRGR2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:23:59 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 Message-Id: <1016605462.1356.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I should have been more clear, this is by design, but the design is broken. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:20, Travis Saling wrote: > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hongli@telekabel.nl Wed Mar 20 02:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEF718488 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020320072828.NLTP25529.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:28:28 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Hongli Lai To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 08:29:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1016609395.1240.1.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:25, dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > Are you clicking on the menu panel? The menu panel is very inflexible and doesn't have a Properties menu item. Other types of panels do have a Properties menu item and are very configurable. From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 03:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BD41827C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9KIB00.S08 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:23 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:54:54 +0100 Message-Id: <1016614494.13967.180.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I use). Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work ;o) -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it For every winner, there are dozens of losers. Odds are you're one of them. From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 04:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot15.cl.msu.edu (pilot15.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.35]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4F188BA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from msu.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by pilot15.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2K92Kc19524; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 EST To: Michele Campeotto , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. dave Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly changing based on what app your using. Michele Campeotto said: > Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to > configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I > use). > > Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there > already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it > is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). > Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html > > > P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting > his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work > ;o) > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > For every winner, there are dozens of losers. > Odds are you're one of them. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 04:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1540F1832D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9M4R00.00I for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:24:27 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:58 +0100 Message-Id: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to GNOME. > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > changing based on what app your using. I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that useful. I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window before being able to see its menu. Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden inside gconftool), though. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F118C79 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nevg-0001YO-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > least that i can see. > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > hacked, and what the values ought to be? There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I want it" or "I don't want it". The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one you have, you find it won't work. I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel is there you can kill off the original one.) Telsa From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4602183BD for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nfSj-0001ae-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 or thereabouts, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, > and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), > is this problem already fixed? I can't remember what the defaults are for RH 7.2 or for Gnome 1.4.1 as a whole because I changed them all. Click on Properties or Preferences or whatever it's called in the toolbar of the terminal. If you have removed the toolbar because it's a complete waste of space, control-right-click on the terminal to get to the Preferences dialogue. (You can get away with just right-clicking without the control key unless you have already done a left-click in that terminal, in which case it will assume the right-click is to complete the selection the left-click started.) There are four tabs in the preferences dialogue. The third is called Colours (or Colors to non-en_GB speakers :)). The second choice there is fore/background color (um. Even in en_GB. Bug there, I think :)). There's various black on white, white on black, green on black choices. If you select custom colours, you'll be able to play with the colour selector underneath, but you don't need to. Once you have selected black on white, play with the 'colour scheme' button, because the shades of black and white vary according to whether you pick rxvt, linux console or something different! (Does anyone know why this is?) Apply. Close. If you are using RH and want only monochrome, you may also want to turn off the color-ls facility that RH gives people by default. This is provided by /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh, which is in turn read by /etc/profile. You can either take the "I am the only person on this machine" approach and just delete the colorls.sh file, or you can add "unalias ls; unalias l.; unalias ll" into your .bash_profile or .bashrc (I forget which one :)) This will revert back to the nice old style of just the names in the expected foreground font. You can actually change the individual colours used for this, but I just remove the whole capability. I believe "dircolors" is what you'd need to look up to do that. It is very very much worth filing a bug on the colours of the default gnome-terminal: accessibility has become very important to GNOME and to the companies shipping it. So either RH's bugzilla (RHL 7.1/gnome-core) or GNOME's (gnome-core/gnome-terminal) will do. Both is good :) Telsa From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202181930B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320144939.VKBK1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:49:39 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: Michele Campeotto Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635778.1326.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The most inherit problem with this (beyond my personal disklike) is that it would break consistency with all non-gnome apps, since most all existing unix apps have "Windows" like behavior. Since this feature would be completely incompatible with existing unix programs (gtk 1.2, motif, qt), in my book it's a bad feature to even consider. This would not be something minor like changing button ordering to those used by macOS. It would be a complete paradigm switch. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 04:29, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. > > Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and > not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to > GNOME. > > > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > > changing based on what app your using. > > I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many > improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar > works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good > (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations > (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that > useful. > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden > inside gconftool), though. > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD218799 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320145050.EMDN2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:50:50 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 07:10, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > > least that i can see. > > > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > > hacked, and what the values ought to be? > > There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, > floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- > after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. > > All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu > panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I > want it" or "I don't want it". > > The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu > panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. > > I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to > remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one > you have, you find it won't work. > > I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom > (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things > you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel > is there you can kill off the original one.) > > Telsa > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE1192F2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA1QL00.P1Q for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:01:33 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto Reply-To: micampe@micampe.it To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:07:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official GNOME... --=20 -- Michele - www.micampe.it La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li abbiamo fatti. -- Goethe From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 10:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3611932E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320151307.FDYB2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:13:07 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think theres a bug on the click along the borde issue in bugzilla, might want to check that.=20 Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 10:07, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 >=20 > I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its > functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the > screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official > GNOME... >=20 > --=20 > -- Michele - www.micampe.it >=20 > La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li > abbiamo fatti. > -- Goethe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7D18261 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA2OO00.O24 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:22:00 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:27:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1016638055.13968.258.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 16:12, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix > alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. Yes, building the menu panel with applets has no drawbacks, IMO, provided it is done right. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Murphy's Technology Laws From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF321181EC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFSpj05797; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:28:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, This is useful, thanks. Can you also send me the output of "xpdyinfo"? Havoc From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397B3187BF for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFT9F08424; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 4 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Wed Mar 20 15:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-122.tcsn.net [63.174.82.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359B4193CE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2KKUZ102061 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:36 -0800 Message-Id: <200203202030.g2KKUZ102061@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? In-Reply-To: Message from hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 GMT." <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Telsa, and all who responded to my original post. I didn't want to start bugging RH if this was something fixed in later releases - and from my point of view it's enough to simply unalias all those color terminal aliases in my own .bashrc files. But from what you're saying, it's still the default, even in 7.2. So I will file bug reports in both places. Thanks to all who pointed out that it's just an alias problem. -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From in_rapture@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 15:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web10108.mail.yahoo.com (web10108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.58]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2431831A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020320204133.30554.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.4.27.247] by web10108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 PST Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hansen Subject: gnome-terminal not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just installed a fresh copy of Slackerware 8.0 and am having a bit of trouble with the gnome-terminal. When I use gdm to log onto the system, I can not use the gnome-terminal program. Whenever I try to start gnome-terminal the screen flashes for a split second and then closes. I get the same result every time I try to start gnome-terminal. This does NOT happen when I log in as root through gdm, or if I do not use gdm to log in. Any help or suggestions on how to trouble shoot this would be great. Rick Hansen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From jverel@optonline.net Wed Mar 20 19:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCA618440 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2L0b1W02896; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:00 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Erik Walthinsen Cc: jverel@optonline.net, "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net>; from omega@temple-baptist.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:48:46PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some > packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their > .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. > It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember > doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and up2date upgrade. Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 22:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1419369 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.4.3] (temple-baptist.com [216.99.217.68]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2L3Ttn31731; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:29:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: John P Verel Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 20:28:50 -0800 Message-Id: <1016684935.2558.6.camel@dell.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 16:37, John P Verel wrote: > You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at > least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common > pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and > up2date upgrade. It happened a lot more in the past, but various things still break even with the latest Ximian updates. > Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that > the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? /tmp files don't have any integrity, by definition. The problem is with the mechanisms the software uses to configure itself. An extreme example was the day I accidentally installed a few too many packages out of the GNOME 2.0 snapshots channel on both of my machines. When I next logged into the machines, the configuration was *completely* different, bearing not the slightlest resemblence to my 1.4 configuration. I'm hoping that a) this is because things are moving to GConf and b) no one's put effort into configuration-migration yet. All I can say is that if anyone here expects not to lose users in droves when they upgrade to GNOME 2.0 and find that they have to *completely* reconfigure everything to even remotely represent their old config, they are utterly deluding themselves. We (GNOME) can *NOT* ignore the problem of configuration migration. If an application or utility needs a different configuration mechanism, it cannot simply ignore old config files. If that means a migration utility that has plugins for each application in order to move config from 1.4 to 2.0, then that must be written. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From dep@drippingwithirony.com Wed Mar 20 23:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758D418405 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2L4hVE24503 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203202343.31601.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: to everyone, thanks very much for all your help. the solution had to do with it being a menu panel rather than a plain old panel. what i was up to is memorialized online, and the helpful members of this list are mentioned. it's here: http://www.linuxandmain.com/tech/xibretto.html thanks again. best, -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jal233@earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 10:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7FB18AFB for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from james?laska (AUTH plain) at bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com (HELO flatline.pok.ibm.com) (james?laska@129.42.208.182) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 15:39:04 -0000 Subject: gnome run dialog From: James A Laska To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 10:39:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1016725141.5722.4.camel@flatline.pok.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What is the status of the gnome run dialog. Where do I find what is being done for it, and by whom? I recently grabbed the new ximian gnome release (gnome-core-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2, gnome-core-devel-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2) and found that the gnome run dialog has changed. First, gnomecc no longer accepts my windows key mapping (Super_L and Super_R) when binding keys to the run and menu actions. Xmodmap has correctly mapped the modifiers and other applications (xev, sawfish) recognize the super_l and super_r modifiers. For some reason, gnome stopped recognizing these keys once I upgraded. Second, the gnome run dialog is a sub-process of the panel process? This was done to reduce the load up time correct? This also means that there is no other way to get tot he run dialog outside of a key mapping (as defined in $HOME/.gnome/panel). It would be nice to be able to call the run dialog from other programs (gkrellm, nautilus, etc...) (not sure if this is possible any more since it is part of `panel` -- perhaps a switch option to panel (i.e. `panel --gnome-run`)). It would also be nice to be able to move the gnome run panel button into submenu's (I can move it to drawers, but not to menus (I guess because it is an applet not a .desktop). If this is possible already, I haven't found how. Third, the new "Available Programs" interface is neat, but unnecessary for advanced users. Clicking on the "Advanced..." button should make the "Available Programs" listbox disappear. I'm not so sure the merging of the favorites menu into the "Available Programs" listbox was done correctly. Should merging be an option? I don't want my favorites merged into the system menus. Perhaps there could be a textbox in the gnomecc panel interface that allows the user to specify a comma delimited list of directories to merge? Following comments made in this post: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-October/msg01031.html is there any work being done on tab-completion and autorunning based on mime-type? Is this the correct forum to address the above concerns? Thanks in advance to any responders? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 11:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3108B1846B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LG5LG27221; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:51:11 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Weird alignment of panel components Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem: [Image] Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this pad. How do I realign this pad? TIA, Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495" --------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem:

Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this
pad. How do I realign this pad?

TIA,
Henry
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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
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gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 11:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1016728125.10020.36.camel@kinase.site.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, In order to get rid of the warning messages printed by java graphical applications, I have a line like this in my .gnomerc: xprop -root -remove _MOTIF_DEFAULT_BINDINGS however, this seems to working intermittently, calling xprop twice seems to solve the problem, can anybody explain why? Timing problem? Work around? Cheers, Marcel -- marcel turcotte, assistant professor, school of information technology and engineering, university of ottawa, 161 louis pasteur, p.o. box 450 station a, ottawa, ontario, k1n 6n5, canada, tel: (613) 562-5800 x6660 fax: (613) 562-5175, cby a-333-a, http://www.site.uottawa.ca/~turcotte From calum.benson@sun.com Thu Mar 21 12:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D141943B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08546 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2LH5Dx16659 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:14 GMT Message-ID: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:13 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Michele Campeotto wrote: > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? There are two issues I can think of: - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to do so :) So there would need to be some sort of hacky mechanism/setting built into the window manager to ensure focus wasn't given to other intermediate windows when you moved the pointer from the application window to the menu bar. (Sawfish can probably already deal with this with its plethora of settings, other GNOME-compliant window managers may not). - It's a pain when you're running on multiple screens, as many power users do-- even on a Mac with multiple screens, the global menu bar always appears on screen 1 (IIRC), which often isn't the one that your application window is on. This makes using the menus a pain. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 21 15:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157B21812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020321201642.JRQO1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components From: Hongli Lai To: Henry Katz Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > problem: > > [Image] > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > the panel they appear to the left of this > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > TIA, > Henry > -- Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 15:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165561869D for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LKr6G27430; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A44DD.E53FEABC@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:38:53 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hongli Lai Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > > problem: > > > > [Image] > > > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > > the panel they appear to the left of this > > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > > > TIA, > > Henry > > -- > > Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote:

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote:
> I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my
> problem:
>
> [Image]
>
> Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the
> panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
> foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to
> the panel they appear to the left of this
> pad. How do I realign this pad?
>
> TIA,
> Henry
> --

Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-)

Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option.

Henry

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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9-- From mail@stew.nu Thu Mar 21 16:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF601812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewcompaq (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2LLDBk30737 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:11 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> From: "stew" To: Subject: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. = It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. Thanks in advance, Stew ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,
 
I was wondering if there is a good = AVI-player for=20 Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5=20 codec.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Stew
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0-- From bordoley@msu.edu Thu Mar 21 16:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A25A189A7 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020321212424.GKST2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:24:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome From: David Bordoley To: stew Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> References: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1016745867.1329.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: If your running gnome2 you could try downloading and playing with gstplayer. Otherwise the only really good player is mplayer, but it's a bitch to setup, since you have to compile from source for legal reasons. dave On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:13, stew wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stew From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Thu Mar 21 17:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E4E185DA for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2LMDnr08019 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: another probably silly question From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 14:12:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1016748829.15451.3.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing as nobody else has responded, here's my 2 cents: The only gnome mail client I use is Evolution. While it appears to be an ``all-encompassing everything-but-blood-type pim'', it is componentized, so only those componenets you use are loaded into memory. It stores things in a database format, but my sense is that there may be an easy way to get the entries dumped into a flat text file. If you want to go that route, try the evolution list (evolution@ximian.com) Again, this is probably not the answer you were looking for, but it's the best answer I have off the top of my head. Hopefully it's better than nothing. Regards, Ben On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 19:35, dep wrote: > of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if=20 > there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: > name > newname >=20 > and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking=20 > for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing,=20 > everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. >=20 > tia. > --=20 > dep > -- > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. > -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8mlrTBQkCV8iOJocRAvhEAJwL/BK4bJwofOdhmzBndAWlEMYNogCfWyHe 3KBZ96zkmUJEshdBM+tckxA= =AhwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D-- From geoffrey@ticom.com Thu Mar 21 17:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (peengihn.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE32194F4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (mongo.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC90258E002 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C251A0016 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: GDM and sessreg From: geoffrey To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 Message-Id: <1016749597.19816.5.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm trying to get the sessions written to /var/log/wtmp with no luck. I have read the sessreg manpage and added the appropriate scripts to /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Presession/ and /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Postsession/. However, none of the X users show up when I do: w. So, what have I missed? How do I get GDM to log the sessions so that I can see them with w/who? I need logging to wtmp so that I can run idled. thanks for any and all clues. geoffrey -- this space intentionally left blank From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 21 17:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA2A187EF for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oB1M-0004Wp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com>; from calum.benson@sun.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > > before being able to see its menu. > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > There are two issues I can think of: > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to > do so :) You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! Telsa (proving Calum's point) From stanb@awod.com Thu Mar 21 19:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C36180D8 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA79809 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 54 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16oCjw-00023C-00 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:01:14 up 5 days, 7:06, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.59, 0.45 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > report. > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > entirly. > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > get work done. > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the night). I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory Gnome woody .debs Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). The WILL trash your panels. Hope that helps. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 19:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8A182CE for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M0gaG27675; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:28:21 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote: > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. Bollocks!! I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss. It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple of days to stop the memory creep. Henry > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote:
Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the
night).

I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow.

Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory
Gnome woody .debs

Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
The WILL trash your panels.

Hope that helps.

Bollocks!!

I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then
logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals
had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.

What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss.
It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple
of days to stop the memory creep.

Henry

 

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"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
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--------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291D918156 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M14BU19425 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M14Ch73750; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when sawfish records the window's size. I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut down faster than the panel initializes.... So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing issues during session startup/shutdown. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394A188E5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M16WU19449 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M16Xx73802; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759193.71549.13.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:04, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might 256MB. evidently I'm having a bad math day... -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 21:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD021813C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M1xKG27736; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:45:13 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; > recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more > applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and eat up too much CPU.. > > busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets > dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs > looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. > > In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is > initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals > > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-) > > so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when > gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when > sawfish records the window's size. > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > down faster than the panel initializes.... Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing > issues during session startup/shutdown. Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE. Henry > > > -- > brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] > allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] > allbery@ece.cmu.edu > electrical and computer engineering > KF8NH > carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" > -ke6sls] > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote:
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote:
> > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
> > The WILL trash your panels.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
>
> Bollocks!!

Actually, no.  I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup;
recently I determined that it's a timing issue:  apparently one or more
applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too

Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the
window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and
eat up too much CPU..
 
busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets
dumping core.  At some point I may go digging through the applet libs
looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase.

In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is
initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings.

> When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was
> that two terminals
> had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal.  From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7
console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some
gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in
characters, or vice versa.  On a slower system I can even see the
windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes
them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two);

Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-)
 
so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when
gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when
sawfish records the window's size.

I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here:  GNOME is rather
memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup
times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic.  The extra 192MB might
conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut
down faster than the panel initializes....

Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory?
So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing
issues during session startup/shutdown.
Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE.

Henry
 

 

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carnegie mellon university    ["better check the oblivious first"
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--------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 21:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402ED18E86 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M2GFU19747; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M2GG274745; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Henry Katz Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); > > Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - > don't we all ;-) Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with synchronization"?) > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > > down faster than the panel initializes.... > > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? Don't know; since I run Ximian's 1.4 on Solaris and 1.4 from /usr/ports on FreeBSD, I haven't seen GNOME 2 in action at all yet. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 21 23:43:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B99181BD for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M4gEV00977; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Henry Katz Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Henry Katz writes: > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > There's slightly more base overhead for Hello, World, but some of the main components (namely Nautilus) use a lot less overall. The net effect of GNOME 2 (so far) is that it seems slightly faster/smaller, at least to me. Other people have said it seems slower. It probably depends on which specific app or widget you are clicking on to test. Havoc From stuart@bmsi.com Fri Mar 22 09:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E0180EF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (gathman [219.109.11.136]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2MEpXkZ011634; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Stuart D. Gathman" To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 21 Mar 2002, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to > the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window > manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. > > (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the > session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps > must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with > synchronization"?) I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. Doesn't gtk+ have a configuration framework that takes care of stuff like this? An old article titled "Worse is Better" described how it was very tricky to save kernel state across task switches when implementing a simple thing like 'read()'. Unix punted and simply returns a "Try Again" error code to let the application recover. What was not mentioned is that the "application" needn't deal with this. A wrapper around 'read()' can check for this error and retry as needed. All state is saved on the user mode stack. While it is easy to invent, too bad such a wrapper wasn't standardized (or did it miss it?). -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 10:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD49180DF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.41 #2) id 16oQrc-00021c-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:21:56 +0100 Subject: ORBit-2 - ORBit_ObjectKey  From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 16:05:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1016809514.31580.5.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, *object_key seems to be undetermined for decoded IOR-strings in ORBit2. Instead the CORBA_Object.object_key is used. typedef struct { IOP_Profile_info parent; gchar *unix_sock_path; CORBA_unsigned_short ipv6_port; ORBit_ObjectKey *object_key; } IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info; Why did you introduce object_key in IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info if it is not used. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 11:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A23E18111 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16oRkm-0006Co-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: IOR strings needed for testing From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 17:02:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1016812933.31622.20.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please, could you send me some IOR strings for testing my Gnome-IOR dump tool? Perhaps there are some IOR strings of GIOP and IIOP connections arround. Those IOR strings may be of other ORBs as Mico etc. Thanks in advance, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D8D18545 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.58.42.154.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.58.42.154] helo=there) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16oRpm-0003lX-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:24:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk, GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:23:29 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thursday 21 March 2002 04:26 pm, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when > > > changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having > > > to click on a window before being able to see its menu. > > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > > > There are two issues I can think of: > > > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously > > refuse to do so :) > > You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! > > Telsa (proving Calum's point) > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list Ditto!! -- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." -- Unknown From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 22 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8A187CF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oTdx-00065A-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com>; from henry.katz@iscs-i.COM on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > stan wrote: > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Please don't prove this true. > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to more like 10x10. > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have files going back to January 2000 there... > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > evidence of memory loss. I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for more people than just me though... Telsa From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Fri Mar 22 13:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2187A18198 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2MIj2G28226; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9B7859.F1384020@iscs-i.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one. > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time... > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... Mine only go back two months.. > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote:

I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one.
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes.
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
more like 10x10.
Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time...
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
files going back to January 2000 there...

Mine only go back two months..
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
more people than just me though...
Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup.

Henry
--
 
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 22 14:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68891815D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2MIvq912212; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:57:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-X-Sender: arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Not here. -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > report. > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > entirly. > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > get work done. > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > were gone :-( > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > report on this? > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. > > From pausmith@nortelnetworks.com Sat Mar 23 03:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com [47.140.48.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C78180E5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com [47.140.192.58]) by zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N8BlF06650 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com (lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com [47.17.140.90]) by zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N88qs12225 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from psmith by lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16ogcl-00015Q-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: "Paul Smith" Reply-To: "Paul Smith" Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your username? After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password text etc.? I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). Debian Woody GDM 2.2.5.4-2 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. From stanb@awod.com Sat Mar 23 09:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699EC18867 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id JAA85701 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 93 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16omUh-00058k-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? Message-ID: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 09:18:08 up 14:02, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it that I'm setting up for my wife. I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer setings and all cahnels are set quite high. I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. Hw can I further troubleshoot this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From ermshta@ermshta.org Sat Mar 23 09:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp015.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca [207.96.216.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748A18A14 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from loflinan@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2NEsLi01206; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: loflinan set sender to ermshta@ermshta.org using -f Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? From: Jee Desjardins To: "Mailing List: Gnome" In-Reply-To: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1016895260.1138.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to help but I really don't know where to start. Jee Desjardins ermshta@ermshta.org On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. >=20 > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= r > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. >=20 > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= s. >=20 > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? >=20 > --=20 > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= =/n2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- From mail@stew.nu Sat Mar 23 12:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A9C18AEB for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewamd (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2NHecM04099 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c1d291$5a0e6bf0$0b00a8c0@stewamd> From: "Stew" To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Subject: Unsubsribe from this list? 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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1D299.B7F48850-- From mario.vukelic@chello.at Sat Mar 23 12:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from viefep11-int.chello.at (viefep11-int.chello.at [213.46.255.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CBD18ABC for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([213.47.79.152]) by viefep11-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020323174830.MVXU1155.viefep11-int.chello.at@localhost.localdomain> for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:48:30 +0100 Subject: Re: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: Mario Vukelic To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 18:45:38 +0100 Message-Id: <1016905538.4288.17.camel@sonic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:11, Paul Smith wrote: > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? Please go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org and report it, if it isn't yet -- I did not vote for the Austrian government From kreamer@954access.net Sat Mar 23 13:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 954access.net (unknown [216.235.105.201]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB718555 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from default [216.235.99.117] by 954access.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A377CF20136; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1d295$39de13e0$7563ebd8@default> From: "William Kreamer" To: References: <20020323170112.4F4CB18ADC@mail.gnome.org> Subject: Re: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Check two things: 1. See whether you have sound when you are logged in as user, and also as root. 2. See whether you have sound files in your user .gnome subdirectory. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:01 Subject: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs > Send gnome-list mailing list submissions to > gnome-list@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-list-request@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-list-admin@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk) > 2. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Henry Katz) > 3. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Arthur H. Johnson II) > 4. GDM: window resizing annoyance (Paul Smith) > 5. Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (stan) > 6. Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (Jee Desjardins) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 > From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > > night). > > > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Please don't prove this true. > > > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... > > > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > > evidence of memory loss. > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... > > Telsa > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 > From: Henry Katz > Organization: ISCS, Inc > To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an > English one. > > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > > more like 10x10. > > Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... > > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > > files going back to January 2000 there... > > Mine only go back two months.. > > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > > more people than just me though... > > Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say > that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. > > Henry > -- > > > > I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. > -Morpheus > > ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot > com > eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: >
I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time > trying to >
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited >
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
> Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with > an English one. >
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging > in sometimes. >
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to >
more like 10x10.
> Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... >
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, > gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. >
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. >

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix >
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a >
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have >
files going back to January 2000 there...

> Mine only go back two months.. >
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good > way to assess how >
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical >
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for >
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for >
more people than just me though...
> Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say >
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. >

Henry >
-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
  >
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said > it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, IncHenry Katz, ScMhenry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise718.268.3584www dot iscs-i dot com
> > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) > From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" > To: stan > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > Not here. > > -- > Arthur H. Johnson II > Senior Systems Engineer > The Linux Box > > E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu > URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu > Office: 734-761-4689 > Pager: 734-882-0323 > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > > report. > > > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > > entirly. > > > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > > get work done. > > > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > > were gone :-( > > > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > > report on this? > > > > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance > From: "Paul Smith" > Reply-To: "Paul Smith" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 > > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? > > After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly > smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? > Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password > text etc.? > > I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything > more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but > to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). > > > Debian Woody > GDM 2.2.5.4-2 > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools > "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 > From: stan > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > From: Jee Desjardins > To: "Mailing List: Gnome" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello, > I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I > can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I > mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome > games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... > > Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to > help but I really don't know where to start. > > Jee Desjardins > ermshta@ermshta.org > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > > that I'm setting up for my wife. > >=20 > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= > r > > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > >=20 > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= > s. > >=20 > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > >=20 > > --=20 > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > >=20 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb > Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= > =/n2b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > End of gnome-list Digest > From Matthew.Morgan@med.ge.com Sat Mar 23 15:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FED1818C for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-3 [3.159.236.67]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA15669 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uswaumsxbhmedge.med.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA09657 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by amermsx.med.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Weird Solaris behavior... Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so as a regular user I get an error message telling me that the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it needs to be 24. The message gives commands to try to make this happen but I haven't had any luck with them. Anybody else had a similar problem? I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps. - Matt Matthew Morgan matthew.morgan@med.ge.com 262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517 Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/ Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8.
 
I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so
as a regular user I get an error message telling me that
the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it
needs to be 24.
 
The message gives commands to try to make this happen
but I haven't had any luck with them.
 
Anybody else had a similar problem?
 
I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps.
 
- Matt

Matthew Morgan                
matthew.morgan@med.ge.com
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------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Sun Mar 24 09:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6CA181BF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.94] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16p9Jh-0005vw-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:49:53 +0100 Subject: Gnome Repository GUI? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 15:32:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1016980358.1252.8.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is there a GUI for Gnome-Repositories, ie. Namingservice, Interface-Repository, GNOME Object Activation Directory, etc. Should this Gnome-Repository-GUI be embedded in Nautilus, should it be a standallone application?, or should it be a module of Webmin? Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From pnelson@neatech.com Sun Mar 24 18:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D995918102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:54 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) ----------------->>>> Sorry I just got my mail server back up after a disturbing crash... Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? ------------------------------------------------------ name of display: :0.0 version number: 11.0 vendor string: The XFree86 Project, Inc vendor release number: 3360 XFree86 version: 3.3.6 maximum request size: 4194300 bytes motion buffer size: 256 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 8, MSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 8, maximum 255 focus: window 0x1000010, revert to Parent number of extensions: 19 BIG-REQUESTS DOUBLE-BUFFER DPMS LBX MIT-SCREEN-SAVER MIT-SHM MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD RECORD SECURITY SHAPE SYNC XC-APPGROUP XC-MISC XFree86-DGA XFree86-Misc XFree86-VidModeExtension XInputExtension XKEYBOARD XTEST default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 640x480 pixels (217x163 millimeters) resolution: 75x75 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 4 root window id: 0x28 depth of root window: 4 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x24 default number of colormap cells: 16 preallocated pixels: black 0, white 1 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES largest cursor: 32x32 current input event mask: 0x5820bd KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask LeaveWindowMask PointerMotionHintMask ButtonMotionMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask number of visuals: 4 default visual id: 0x20 visual: visual id: 0x20 class: StaticColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x21 class: StaticGray depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: PseudoColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits ------------------------------------------------------ From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 24 22:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B7818102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2P3kjQ10486; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:46:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) Havoc From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Sun Mar 24 23:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDD1186EA for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu (allbery@VPN57.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.57]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2P3v6w05187; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:57:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Brandon S Allbery KF8NH To: "Stuart D. Gathman" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1017028623.18548.18.camel@pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:51, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize > if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that > a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. The problem with that is that you still have lots of applications all trying to talk to everything at the same time; this can lead to a "thundering herd" problem (like I suspect is happening with panel applets). Fixing it when you need to deal with gnome-session, gconfd, and a window manager all at the same time is harder than making gconfd serialize updates to gnome-session and the window manager, and then fixing *one* thundering herd. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hongli@telekabel.nl Mon Mar 25 02:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F7018176 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020325073442.DDWV1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:34:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Hongli Lai To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 25 Mar 2002 08:36:20 +0100 Message-Id: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. From calum.benson@sun.com Mon Mar 25 07:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE746180FC for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01013; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2PCnnx13507; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 GMT Message-ID: <3C9F1CED.8DCB6123@sun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: Weird Solaris behavior... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" wrote: > > I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. > > I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so > as a regular user I get an error message telling me that > the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it > needs to be 24. > > The message gives commands to try to make this happen > but I haven't had any luck with them. Not sure what the message you're seeing is suggesting you try, but there's also some information in the Sun FAQ that might help: http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/gnome14techfaq.html#25 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 25 15:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C0D180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Hongli Lai' , Havoc Pennington Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai wrote: ----------------->>>> > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. ----------------->>>> Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any suggestions? From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8B180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLm1F12744; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Hongli Lai Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai writes: > On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > > > Havoc > > I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. > 16 color, not 16 bit. It's 4 bits. Havoc From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8F218E89 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLmos12748; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "'Hongli Lai'" , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I > ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any > suggestions? Panel was changed to use gdk-pixbuf which is where the bug is. So the thing to do is file a gdk-pixbuf bug on bugzilla.gnome.org. Havoc From linuxadvocate@notwires.com Thu Mar 28 15:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.notwires.com (mail.notwires.com [66.147.132.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE319267 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Computer1 [10.10.1.139] by mail.notwires.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A88F7E1009C; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:09:51 -0600 Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed From: William Lamb To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 28 Mar 2002 14:16:50 -0600 Message-Id: <1017346610.2871.0.camel@computer1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is Polish and wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to make a convert to Linux. ;-) I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red Hat 7.2. My problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish characters to work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing between keyboard mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english installed on it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several different word processing programs and I still have not been able to produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters specific to the 8859-2 character set. Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? Thanks very much for your help, Bill Lamb Chicago, USA From nbruguier@gfi.fr Fri Mar 29 03:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gfi.fr (mail.gfi.fr [62.210.137.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06818C6B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [172.16.0.11] by gfi.fr [172.16.0.11] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:52 +0100 From: "NICOLAS BRUGUIER" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome 2 panel X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 172.16.0.11 X-Return-Path: nbruguier@gfi.fr X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: nbruguier@gfi.fr Message-Id: <20020329082555.DF06818C6B@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi For several years, i used gnome and recently i make jump to G2. I get and compiled it with cvs code. I would like put a question or to formulate a proposal about panel and it's menu. Why not implemented the menu with gconf instead .desktop files? That to largely improve its configuration for the user. I'll would like too thanks all gnome develloper for theirs excellent and good job. BRUGUIER Nicolas GFI Informatique nbruguier@gfi.fr From Janusz.Gorycki@intel.com Fri Mar 29 03:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hermes.fm.intel.com (fmr01.intel.com [192.55.52.18]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D77719363 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from talaria.fm.intel.com (talaria.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.39]) by hermes.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.36 2002/03/11 23:18:46 root Exp $) with ESMTP id g2T8Tf420247 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:41 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxv043-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.48.128]) by talaria.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.14 2002/03/05 23:31:08 root Exp $) with SMTP id g2T8TJt11727 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:19 GMT Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM ([132.233.42.29]) by fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002032900272302748 ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:27:23 -0800 Received: from alpha.igk.intel.com ([172.28.168.68]) by fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id H39X88B2; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:28:17 -0800 Received: by alpha.igk.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4L8K2NAM>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:50 +0100 Message-ID: <413FBB0BA5AED1119122000083234B1A01A459CA@alpha.igk.intel.com> From: "Gorycki, Janusz" To: "'William Lamb'" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am Polish and I used to have polish keyboard layout. First of all, there are two types of polish keyboard mappings: "standard", which nobody uses because it is awkward ("ported" from an ancient polish typewriter layout); and "programmer's", which is in common usage. In this mapping you get accented characters by pressing right "Alt" with a character key (a, e, s, c, n, o, l, z, x). I have just tried to reinstantiate polish keyboard on my machine. It is RedHat 7.0, but I don't think the procedure is any different on 7.2. I have noticed that just switching keyboard layout with GKB is not enough. You also have to set the LANG environment variable to pl_PL. As an added bonus, this also sets all your locale to polish (menu texts, dialog boxes, date format etc.) This works for me: 1. switch GKB to polish layout ("plain" polish, not "polish deadkeys" or "polish xkb keymap") - this gives you the "programmer's" layout 2. try running 'LANG=pl_PL emacs' or 'LANG=pl_PL gedit' from the terminal 3. if it works, put 'export LANG=pl_PL' in your './bash_profile' hope this helps marcin > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lamb [mailto:linuxadvocate@notwires.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:17 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed > > > I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is > Polish and > wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He > bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad > time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to > make a convert > to Linux. ;-) > > I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red > Hat 7.2. My > problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish > characters to > work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be > supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also > installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing > between keyboard > mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english > installed on > it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several > different word processing programs and I still have not been able to > produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters > specific to the > 8859-2 character set. > > Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this > up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs > do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the > accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? > > Thanks very much for your help, > > Bill Lamb > Chicago, USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua Fri Mar 29 08:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (unknown [195.66.192.167]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAC19407 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([172.16.42.211]) by Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2TD7YX05015; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:08:15 +0200 Message-Id: <200203291308.g2TD7YX05015@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" From: Denis Vlasenko Reply-To: vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua To: stan , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:06:45 -0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> In-Reply-To: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was wandering in my abandoned Gnome folder and... On 13 March 2002 21:38, stan wrote: > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 > yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( > > Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the > lead of out favorite software monoply. > > NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I > don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up > every thime. Stan, you even can't bother yourself with clean typing. How many typos are here? A dozen! No wonder you want Gnome developers to fix Gnome bugs but don't bother yourself to collect necessary data for useful report. For people of this type I suggest installing Windows. Or change your type. -- vda From cwlambert76@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 09:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B2C618548 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.123.189.37] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Lambert Subject: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... End of /MOTD command. cl1motorsports sets mode +i cl1motorsports You have been killed by sumo.solutionsfirst.net (<- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu])) Closing Link: cl1motorsports[~cl1motors@] (Killed (sumo.solutionsfirst.net (cl1motorsports <- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu]))) Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). Disconnected (). i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd running(i've managed to learn that much). any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance Charles Lambert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From plantiful@hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35291181CA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:44:35 -0800 Received: from 204.167.104.162 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:44:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.167.104.162] From: "Marc Plante" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2002 17:44:35.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E3C320:01C1D749] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be different). The KDE desktop works just fine. Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells for troubleshooting. Plantiful _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dachristy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 16:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C13E180E6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust105.tnt2.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.108.105] helo=localhost.localdomain) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16r3fN-00003B-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 From: D Christy To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: gedit not working X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gedit (and other editors have stopped working. When I try to open an existing file gedit reports that the 'file does not exist, do I waish to created it?', However I can use the built in viewer in GMC to view the file. Pico and Nano will open the text files but the contents is garbage. Any Ideas? -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo------------------------+ | David Christy || Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com || Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com || Sylpheed Claws 0.7.4 | +---------------------------------------------+ From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 29 17:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C761817B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16r4Rh-0004lK-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( Message-ID: <20020329220205.C16573@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>; from cwlambert76@yahoo.com on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 or thereabouts, Charles Lambert wrote: > i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... > i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd > running(i've managed to learn that much). any help > would be greatly appreciated. Try again. You just happened to pick a really bad time to try to join, I suspect: the irc.acc.umu.se IRC daemon was rebooted and I too had a period of not being able to connect before it would let me back on :) Telsa From Keizi@mail.co.kr Fri Mar 29 21:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44BE18169 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2U2bcS05077 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:38 +0900 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? Message-ID: <20020330023737.GC5068@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 16 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. my initial code does not stick to panel even, immediately quit after execution. I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string and got some lines of output. I have no data what this result mean. somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. I believe you can build the tarball. I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) thanks. From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 02:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6971F1811E for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-166.90.68.11.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([166.90.68.11] helo=there) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16rCqT-00044H-00; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:00:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: "Marc Plante" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:00:07 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 29 March 2002 11:44 am, Marc Plante wrote: > I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The > problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, > no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I > have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys > have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and > the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be > different). > > The KDE desktop works just fine. > > Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells > for troubleshooting. You probably already tried this, but just in case you didn't... Did you try to bring up the window manager (Sawfish, fvwm, or whichever one you're using) menu by clicking on the root screen? I've had a similar problem in that Gnome goes totally unresponsive upon logout -- but I've been able to start an xterm via the wm menu and kill gnome-session. -- "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." -- Unknown From kfv101@hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E51918480 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:04:44 -0800 Received: from 128.118.23.139 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:04:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.118.23.139] From: "Kevin Vandersloot" To: Keizi@mail.co.kr, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: note to develop gnome2 applet? Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 19:04:44.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0B40900:01C1D81D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Right now there are not any up-to-date documentation for writing GNOME2 applets. The place to first look is in gnome-panel/libpanel-applet/test-bonobo-applet which is a basic implementation of an applet. Regards, Kevin >From: Kang Jeong-Hee >To: gnome-list@gnome.org >Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 > >I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ >this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. > >but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. >my initial code does not stick to panel even, >immediately quit after execution. > >I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string >and got some lines of output. >I have no data what this result mean. > >somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. >I believe you can build the tarball. >I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) > >thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Keizi@mail.co.kr Sun Mar 31 10:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC49918491 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2VFrpV06031 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:51 +0900 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:49 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: launch applet on command line, not panel menu? Message-ID: <20020331155349.GA6008@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 9 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I've succeed to stick my applet to gnome2 panel. and now, I struggle to make a profit applet :) I wonder if there is a way to launch applet on command line, not panel menu which do not show me output of applet. or is there some file which log whole panel output? you may know what I'm saying. I really need debug info! From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20506.mail.yahoo.com (web20506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E909D183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed on your system? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 226FA183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. There are some things I would like to see. I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make a feature request is? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9419E183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162020.VYVM1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:20:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591628.1332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: bugzilla.gnome.org Please to make life easy on developers , only make one feature request per bug. Also please try gnome2 snapshots. Alot has changed since gnome 1.4 and your feature may have already been implemented. Gnome2 rocks i must say. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:12, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. > > There are some things I would like to see. > > I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make > a feature request is? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB73182D4 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162429.WBEX1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:24:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:08, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( > there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. > > Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed > on your system? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Sun Mar 31 12:22:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AC018709 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16rj3f-0000hA-00; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: David Bordoley Cc: Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? Message-ID: <20020331182359.D21545@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: David Bordoley , Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bordoley@msu.edu on Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 or thereabouts, David Bordoley wrote: > There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There > really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, > since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there > own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general > most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. I'd guess that the version number of gnome-core is about as good as you'll get. Telsa From bsimmons@ubtanet.com Thu Feb 28 20:05:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sage.ubtanet.com (sage.ubtanet.com [216.190.152.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39051180F0 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 20:05:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from simlap (wl11.ubtanet.com [216.198.98.11]) by sage.ubtanet.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id SAA23797 for ; Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:23:26 -0700 (MST) From: "Brent Simmons" To: Subject: Installing on laptop Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2002 18:05:10 -0700 Message-ID: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2600.0000 Importance: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. Whenever I start the GUI it fails and says no monitor found. Where do I edit the video card/monitor settings for Gnome? Thanks, Brent ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop.  Whenever I start the GUI it = fails and says no monitor found.  Where do I = edit the video card/monitor settings for Gnome?

 

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Brent

------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C1C082.77647BC0-- From SJPWongbulk@bigpond.com Fri Mar 1 00:24:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU (tone.orchestra.cse.unsw.EDU.AU [129.94.242.28]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6C31C183CE for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 00:24:42 -0500 (EST) Received: From localhost.localdomain ([129.94.15.52] == max515052.servers.unsw.EDU.AU) (for ) By tone With Smtp ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:24:39 +1100 From: Simon Wong To: Gnome List Date: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:18 +1100 Subject: Re: Installing on laptop In-Reply-To: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> References: <001001c1c0bd$23c353c0$6f00a8c0@simlap> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1014960250.3256.33.camel@lonewolf> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:05, Brent Simmons wrote: > Hey, Im installing RedHat Linux 7.2 on my Compaq 700 laptop. Whenever I > start the GUI it fails and says no monitor found. Where do I edit the > video card/monitor settings for Gnome? They are actually X settings so in an xterm run Xconfigurator(?) as root and see if that helps. Otherwise you may have to edit the XF86Config-4 file directly. -- ************** * Simon Wong * ************** From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:24:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFE0A19A35 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:24:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:08 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:53 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 07:59:52 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:08.0468 (UTC) FILETIME=[8364ED40:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Original Message----- From: geoffrey [mailto:geoffrey@ticom.com] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:33 PM To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 15:38, Staven Bruce wrote: > > Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for > > everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a > > lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, > > we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come > > up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our > > servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! >Okay, these are servers we are talking about. Why are they running X and >a wm/Desktop Environment anyway? Servers need only a console - >especially if you plan to expose them to the Internet! Reason for not >using KDE (or GNOME for that matter) on your **servers**: they shouldn't >be running a gui in the first place!! Now, running the ltsp setup is a >different matter altogether. > >geoffrey >-- >No .sig If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. Thoughts? _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Staven.Bruce@valleyair.org Fri Mar 1 11:25:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us (sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us [209.135.18.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A6F19CC5 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:25:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org ([10.20.99.10] RDNS failed) by sjvuapcd-9.sjvuapcd.dst.ca.us with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4453); Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:24:48 -0800 Received: by sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:33 -0800 Message-ID: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA96A@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> From: Staven Bruce To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 08:00:32 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Mar 2002 16:24:48.0578 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B4D3A20:01C1C13D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Thanks for this Adam! - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst San Joaquin Valley Air Pollution Control District voice. (559) 230-6049 fax. (559) 221-4270 e-mail. staven.bruce@valleyair.org -----Original Message----- From: Adam Williams6 [mailto:awilliam@whitemice.org] Sent: Thursday, February 28, 2002 1:51 PM To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME info >Our Office is in the process of implementing serveral Linux servers for >everything from BIND to NFS to APACHE. My posistion is that GNOME is a >lightweight, flexible UI to standardize on for all of our servers. However, >we have some pretty KDE focused folks in the group and I am trying to come >up with every possible reason I can as to why we shouldn't use KDE on our >servers. Any reasons, ideas, rants you might have would be appreciated! 1. By default all of the Redhat really-slick-tools are available from Nautilus in GNOME 2. In my experience KDE has lots of problems in multi-user enviroments and experiences strange lock ups. Of course, on the server console you only have one user, but it is troubling none the less. 3. GNOME (IMHO) is simply more future focused. Yes, CORBA, Bonobo, GNOME-db, etc... have taken a l-o-n-g time to mature, but I think in GNOME 2 these things will really start to take off. CORBA based admin tools and such can theortetically at least make admining multiple servers alot easier. And imagine being able to write script that harness the power of things like Gnumeric and so periodically e-mail you a nice graph of system performance. 4. You can load lots of scripts into Nautilus so M$-weenie admins can do things like grep logs with a right-click. You'll never get these guys to actually learn how something works. -- ----------------------------------------------------------- Ximian GNOME, Evolution, LTSP, and RedHat Linux + LVM & XFS ----------------------------------------------------------- From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 12:47:07 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DA2918951 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:06 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id MAA39475 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:47:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 205 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gr8Y-0003kC-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 12:48:06 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:46:45 up 2 days, 17:09, 1 user, load average: 0.73, 0.68, 0.79 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? If so, how? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From bordoley@msu.edu Fri Mar 1 13:20:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96798184CC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 13:20:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020301182012.GRNN2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 18:20:12 +0000 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: David Bordoley To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 13:20:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. dave On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 12:48, stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 14:43:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B31181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:43:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21Jfxp01447; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 11:41:59 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: RE: GNOME info From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 11:41:58 -0800 Message-Id: <1015011718.1393.5.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think the GUI itself is unnecessary on a server, but (as I think someone already mentioned) some of the X/Gnome apps can be really handy. I must admit that I am not using gedit anymore though. I put nedit on the server - the context highlighting is really handy when I'm trying to tweak a CGI script. (Please don't try to sell me on gvim) ;-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From stanb@awod.com Fri Mar 1 15:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC126181DB for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id OAA93650 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:59:59 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 307 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gtD8-0004Lv-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 15:00:58 -0500 Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:00:57 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Random background images? How? Message-ID: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 14:49:36 up 2 days, 19:12, 1 user, load average: 1.26, 0.47, 0.33 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file browswer, right) enter inot this picture. Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 15:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDA7F18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gtKc-0007Nz-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 21:08:42 +0100 Subject: [Fwd: RE: GNOME info] From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 20:54:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1015012487.6193.6.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----Forwarded Message----- From: Frank Rehberger To: Staven Bruce Subject: RE: GNOME info Date: 01 Mar 2002 17:30:03 +0100 On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 16:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which, at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are you > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, as > I find it an intersting alternative, however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lost. > Thoughts? how about remote admin tools like http://www.webmin.com they only need a tiny webserver, per machine, nothing else. As much as I know webmin is quite popular. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Fri Mar 1 15:09:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us (sip-11a.usol.com [63.64.148.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8200B18E0A for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:09:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from amavis by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with scanned-ok (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3k-0005G2-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:16 -0500 Received: from smiddle.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us ([192.168.6.76]) by dns1.civic.twp.ypsilanti.mi.us with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16gt3j-0005Fr-00 for ; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:51:15 -0500 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 15:09:38 -0500 Message-Id: <1015013384.22671.7.camel@smiddle> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by AMaViS snapshot-20010714 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 15:00, stan wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2002 at 01:20:52PM -0500, David Bordoley wrote: > > I don't believe that nautilus supports this type of functionality, but > > you can always post a enhancement request on bugzilla. > > > > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. > > Or am I lost as to how all this fits together? It's just like in Windows, how Explorer draws the icons/background on your desktop. Nautilus is needed to handle the icons, and for technical reasons, it has to handle the background as well (in order to properly draw the icons on it). As for the interactions, its fairly simple. X Windows handles the actual hardware interface - it does the actual drawing and keyboard/mouse input. The Windows Manager (Sawfish) draws the window borders and placement of windows and the virtual desktops (which are more or less just collections of windows). The desktop manager (Nautilus) handles the background and icons, along with your basic file management. Everything else you see is generally just a different application designed for a particular purpose (panels, etc.) Sean Etc. > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From geoffrey@ticom.com Fri Mar 1 15:24:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17E72183FC for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:24:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (host214-148.discord.birch.net [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E4C758E002; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 15:33:08 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D98D51A0010; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 (CST) Subject: RE: GNOME info From: geoffrey To: Staven Bruce Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> References: <41B39C480A48D3119D9B00805FBBA60910AAA969@sjvapcd-mail.valleyair.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:27:23 -0600 Message-Id: <1015014443.26994.7.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 09:59, Staven Bruce wrote: > If I can digress for just a moment, I am use to Sun Solaris boxes, which,= at > my previous company, booted to something akin to classic X windows. Are y= ou > suggesting that I utilize that, or just go with no GUI at all and boot > directly to the prompt? I am just curious as to what you are suggesting, = as > I find it an intersting alternative, Yes. I am suggesting having no X Windows on the servers at all, just a terminal console. It takes less overhead resources this way, and doesn't open you up to remote Xsession attacks either. Yes, I know X can be told "-nolisten tcp", but that's just a bandaid. > however, our other admins are all > Windows Admins and my concern is that if there is no GUI, they will be lo= st. > Thoughts? Well, the suggestion of webmin was a pretty good one for that situation. Not to be difficult, but can't MCSEs learn something new and useful once in a while? Must everything be "point, click, and drool"?! Just whining because I've heard too many NT admins complain that *NIX it too hard to learn. Didn't any of your NT admins every use DOS? tell them it's just like DOS, but more powerful! Enough power to shoot off your foot or bulk porno emails. geoffrey --=20 no .sig --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8f+Qrsye+UmmwPgQRAiB9AKDkBTvuRPDiKT62TPnxQC4ZQpL08QCdEDUp ESrR8mbPEjXh6UN2fQQsZWo= =0a/Q -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-aUE3orcxcleT21Rp8ZBG-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 1 16:42:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459AB18A2C for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:42:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.168] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.29 #47) id 16gun1-0002G0-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 22:42:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Random background images? How? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome In-Reply-To: <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> <1015006869.1331.1.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20020301200057.GC16456@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 22:28:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1015018092.6579.1.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-01 at 21:00, stan wrote: > Forige a relative newbie to this Gnome thing. I'm still trying to figure > out the ineractions of all the peices. I thought that the window manager, > or Gnome itslef would handle this. How does Nautilis (which is a file > browswer, right) enter inot this picture. For orientation this dependency graph of Gnome-2.0 might help http://developer.gnome.org/dotplan/notes/depends.png Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 1 17:36:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net (falcon.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.74]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DD73180F2 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:36:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-209.244.64.144.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([209.244.64.144] helo=pegasus) by falcon.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16gvdn-0004M0-00; Fri, 01 Mar 2002 14:36:39 -0800 Message-ID: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> From: "Bob Giesen" To: , "Christian Seberino" References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) Date: Fri, 1 Mar 2002 16:36:35 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6600 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I put X 4.2 on my Slackware and it seemed to get X working. > > I don't know if that is the reason why gdm and kdm > ALWAYS load twm no matter what I choose from menu!!! > I chose GNOME lots of times and I always get twm!!! > > There is no .xsession, .xinitrc or any other .x* files > in my home directory except .Xauthority. > > STARTX **CAN** load GNOME FINE!!!! > > Please tell me how to debug gdm/kdm so that I can > use them instead of doing startx all the time. I don't use Linux, kdm, or gdm, but I have a hunch you might want to investigate if you haven't yet found the solution. I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the problem in the file /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed wm's worked. Btw, I also had to edit the wdm-config file, in the same directory, so that it properly reflected the window managers that I actually have installed on my machine. (These, in wdm-config, are the values that wdm uses for the selection-list that it presents in the login window.) Perhaps kdm and/or gdm has a similar config scheme... Hth... Bob From trav@u.washington.edu Fri Mar 1 17:46:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from webguy.ee.washington.edu (webguy.ee.washington.edu [128.95.196.48]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDB2A180D7 for ; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 17:46:33 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by webguy.ee.washington.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g21MjGS02870; Fri, 1 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: webguy.ee.washington.edu: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: gdm config problem (I think) From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> References: <20020228101858.A5371@spawar.navy.mil> <00a401c1c171$8c177fa0$9040f4d1@pegasus> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 01 Mar 2002 14:45:16 -0800 Message-Id: <1015022716.2525.8.camel@webguy.ee.washington.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I ran into the same trouble on my FreeBSD system when setting up wdm, > which has a wm-chooser. I, too, kept getting twm upon login and I found the > problem in the file > /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/wdm/Xclients. Therein, as installed, the pathnames for > most of the window-manager executables were wrong. Xclients contained code > that reliably (miraculously? ;-) ) called twm when the other wm's weren't > found. When I corrected the pathnames -- Voila! All the other installed > wm's worked. On RedHat systems these are in /etc/X11/gdm/Sessions. On Slack it may be different, but I bet if you search for gdm/Sessions you'll find it. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From tarozax404@earthlink.net Sun Mar 3 17:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46E47193E5 for ; Sun, 3 Mar 2002 17:36:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from 209-239-207-84.oak.jps.net ([209.239.207.84] helo=earthlink.net) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with esmtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16heat-0007VG-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 03 Mar 2002 14:36:40 -0800 Message-ID: <3C823400.5060906@earthlink.net> Date: Sun, 03 Mar 2002 06:32:32 -0800 From: Taro Fukunaga User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; NetBSD i386; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020219 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm and ssh Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: After I set up sshd, I can't type anyting in gdm's greeter. My touchpad mouse works howerver. Here are my settings: 1) In /etc/rc.conf I set sshd=YES 2) In /etc/sshd.conf I set X11Forwarding Yes On startup I have verified that public and private keys were generated and placed in /etc. I am running gdm 2.2.0 in NetBSD 1.5.2 with XFree86 4.2.0 If anyone has any suggestions I would like to know. Taro From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 05:28:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE99518327 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 05:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24ASLe08973 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:58:21 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG2DP00.OT3 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 15:57:25 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:05:31 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Clarification reqd on Panel menu customization thru Nautilus Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Can any one make me clear, the way how nautilus helps in customizing the Panel menu(gnome 2.0). when trying to customize the panel menu by using Nautilus thru "Edit menus" option, i am able to add a new Menu item but not able to add any functionality to the same. Nautilus is neither allowing me to map the excutable nor edit the name of the added item. In what way it reads the .desktop files and pops up the menu awaiting responses -- Mayurnath Puli From mayurnath.puli@wipro.com Mon Mar 4 06:19:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 334D51928F for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 06:19:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g24BJ7e19235 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:49:07 +0530 (IST) Received: from [10.114.9.172] ([10.114.9.172]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GSG4Q900.AU6 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:48:09 +0530 Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:56:15 +0530 (IST) From: "Mayurnath Puli" X-X-Sender: To: Subject: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi , Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. thanks and regards, -- Mayurnath Puli From jeeva_o_s@yahoo.com Mon Mar 4 14:20:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web21301.mail.yahoo.com (web21301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.173.212]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BD1DD18119 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:20:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020304192033.60794.qmail@web21301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.80.234.75] by web21301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 04 Mar 2002 11:20:33 PST Date: Mon, 4 Mar 2002 11:20:33 -0800 (PST) From: Jeeva Chelladhurai Subject: right click not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I downloaded gnome 1.4 (unsupported version) for solaris intel from sun.com. Right click on the panel does nothing. Did anybody faced this problem before. How to do I get the right click working? Thanks in advance Jeeva. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - sign up for Fantasy Baseball http://sports.yahoo.com From psaravanan@7hillsys.com Mon Mar 4 16:06:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net (unknown [64.14.239.123]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7B20185FB for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 16:06:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from 7hillsys.pugmarks.net.pugmarks.net (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost (8.10.2/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g24Kf7G08822 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 14:41:07 -0600 Message-Id: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Saravanan Organization: Intellisys Technology LLC X-Originating-Ip: 64.13.176.2 X-Note: Latest version at http://EmuMail.com MIME-Version: 1.0 Reply-To: Saravanan Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 20:41:07 GMT X-Mailer: EMUmail 4.5 Subject: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen X-Webmail-User: psaravanan@7hillsys.com Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. 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Molly Mail -- http://www.mollymail.com From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 4 17:17:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03E4C18EC0 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g24MHo031983; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Saravanan Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Screen saver on gdmlogin screen References: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 04 Mar 2002 17:17:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203042041.g24Kf7G08822@7hillsys.pugmarks.net> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Saravanan writes: > I am a problem. I have an application that runs before the gdm login > dialog comes up. The gdm login dialog is never shown in this application > that I have written. I did this by adding an link to my application > executable in gdm/Init/Default script. and since my application can never > be closed, the gdm login screen is never shown. But here is the problem. > Every once in a while, the screen goes blank and I am not able to see > anything. THis I think is because of the screen saver. If I move the > mouse of hit a KBD button I am able to see what is on the screen. But > unfortunately on the final application, there will be no mouse input or > keyboards attached. Can you pls tell me a way to disable this screen > saver. I tried setting these options in the bios but did not help. > I think you want to use "xset" or edit your XF86Config. See "man xset" and "man XF86Config" and look at stuff related to "blank" or "screen blanking" or "DPMS" or "screensaver" Havoc From mike@vee.net Mon Mar 4 18:23:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from carme.recalldesign.com (carme.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.5]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5D6E1930A for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 18:23:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from io.internal.recalldesign.com (mail.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.150]) by carme.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NB7e48676 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:41:07 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Received: from vee.net (polarlander.internal.recalldesign.com [203.15.93.252]) by io.internal.recalldesign.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g24NNGo61674 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Message-ID: <3C8401E4.7050105@vee.net> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 09:53:16 +1030 From: Michael Gratton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020304 X-Accept-Language: en-au, en-gb, en, ja MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: annoying Favourites menu "feature" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi there, I recently upgraded my Debian machines and Gnome was upgraded along the way - I'm now running gnome-panel 1.4.0.6. After doing so, I noticed the Favourites menu had gained a submenu: "Add from menu". I find this new menu *massively* annoynig - I use the Favourites menu for quick access to frequently used apps, and having the "Add from menu" item up the top a) breaks my muscle memory and b) takes a *long* time to load when the icons and menu structure has been paged out or freed. Is this the standard Gnome 1.4 behaviour, or is this a Debian thing? If it is standard for Gnome, is there any way to turn off this submenu, or at least move it down to the bottom so it's out of the way? Thanks, Mike. -- Mike Gratton , Leader in leachate production and transmission since 1976. From pauljohn@ku.edu Mon Mar 4 23:08:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.sunflower.com (smtp.sunflower.com [24.124.0.128]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCF5185F7 for ; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 23:08:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from ku.edu (dv42m76.lawrence.ks.us [24.124.76.210]) by smtp.sunflower.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2547ov08846; Mon, 4 Mar 2002 22:07:50 -0600 Message-ID: <3C8443DA.3090503@ku.edu> Date: Mon, 04 Mar 2002 22:04:42 -0600 From: Paul Johnson Reply-To: pauljohn@ku.edu User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Random background images? How? References: <20020301174806.GA14374@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------030501010700020003050400" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I think Gnome/Sawfish is the limited because you can't assign different images to different workspaces. I also think nautilus is bad because it forces you to let it control your background if you want icons. How cruel. I use the Window Maker window manager, and it allows me what I want. The wmsetbg program in WindowMaker sets backgrounds, either for the default window or for specific workspaces. I have a script that randomly changes backgrounds, it is written in perl, and I've attached it for you. I call that script in a shell script: #!/bin/sh export PATH=/usr/local/bin:$PATH /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 2 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/sea /home/pj/bin/pjbackground -D :1.0 -w 3 -d /usr/share/Backgrounds/beach -D is the display. Most systems only have display 0.0, but mine has 1.0 as well. You probably should put 0.0 there. if you don't add a -w flag, it changes the background of the root workspaces. That is the default background, the one that shows on all workspaces unless you say otherwise. If you add a -w flag, it changes that background only. -d is the flag you use to tell it where your pictures are. It searches throughout that directory structure. If you want this to change on a schedule, use a cron job. I do, it is fine. stan wrote: > I'm using Gnoe with Sawfish as my window manager. > > Given a directory containg a number of JPEG images, is it possible to have > a random one selected fro my background image each time I log in? > > If so, how? > > -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn@ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ku.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground" #!/usr/bin/perl use File::Find; #to get all files under mainDir use Getopt::Std; # command line processing getopts("w:d:D:")|| die "Invalid argument\n"; if ($opt_w =~ /\D/) { die "w is not a digit";} @images = (); if ($opt_D) { $DIS = $opt_D; } else{ # $DIS = ":0.0" $DIS = $DISPLAY } if ( $opt_w ) { $workspace = $opt_w-1; } sub process_file{ $filename = $File::Find::name; if ( -f $filename ){ push(@images, $filename); } } if ( $opt_d ) { $basedir = $opt_d; } else{ $basedir = "$ENV{HOME}/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds"; } find(\&process_file, $basedir); srand; $index=int(rand(@images)); if ($opt_w){ print "\n On disply '$DIS' workspace $opt_w, the background image is now @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u','-w',"$workspace",' ', $images[$index]; } else{ print "\n On display $DIS, The background image of the root window is @images[$index] \n"; exec '/usr/bin/wmsetbg','-display',"$DIS",'-a','-u',' ', $images[$index]; } --------------030501010700020003050400 Content-Type: text/plain; name="pjbackground-README" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="pjbackground-README" pjbackgrounds-README Paul Johnson Aug.27, 2000 I am a Gnome user, but vigorously resist the pressure to use Sawfish. One reason is the pleasant workspace picture capability of Window Maker and wmsetbg. Yesterday I worked on a perl script which can change the background, either for the default window or a particular workspace, and it will randomly select an image from a specified directory, OR ANY OF ITS SUBDIRECTORIES. If no directory is specified, it is taken from ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. I am modestly calling the perl program "pjbackground" and I've put it in my web site http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn/WindowManagers. There is pjbackground, a readme file, and there is a file called pjbackground-shell that you can call from cron to automate this. Use it like this: 1. with no command line options: changes root window background to a picture anywhere in ~/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds. $ pjbackground You should see output like so: The background image of the root window is /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdc99_0659_yosemite_ss.jpg 2. specify the workspace, use the default image directory. (note, I'm using the workspace number on the clip, not the internal workspace number, which is one smaller). $ pjbackground -w4 On workspace 4, the background image is now /home/pauljohn/GNUstep/Library/WindowMaker/Backgrounds/sdcss_089_snow_leopard.jpg 3. Specify a root image directory and it will choose a random one for you: $ pjbackground -w4 -d /usr/local/share/Backgrounds Here is /usr/local/share/Backgrounds/canyon.jpg When I tried to run this program under cron, I ran into environment problems, and learned that cron runs without much environment. So instead of scheduling pjbackground directly, I schedule a shell script "pjbackground-shell" and it gets the job done. I just added this entry with "crontab -e" 0 * * * * /home/pauljohn/bin/pjbackground-shell to change the picture at the top of the hour in, for example, workspace 4. --------------030501010700020003050400-- From snickell@stanford.edu Tue Mar 5 06:05:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU [171.64.14.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED51F19083 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 06:05:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (beauty.Stanford.EDU [128.12.60.110]) by smtp-remote.Stanford.EDU (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g25B3NH22687; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 03:03:23 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Regarding Favourites Menu in Gnome2.0 From: Seth Nickell To: Mayurnath Puli Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 05 Mar 2002 02:58:26 -0800 Message-Id: <1015325906.32182.31.camel@beauty> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-04 at 03:26, Mayurnath Puli wrote: > Hi , > Could any one help me out in explaining, why there is no > favourites menu item in the panel menu of gnome 2.0. This menu item really > helps any ordinary user in adding new items or deleting the same. If the > same user wants to add any sub menu item in any of the menu items like > "Internet" or "Graphics", he must have to have root priviliges. > > So why is this menu item not present in Panel menu. Is it decided to drop > this menu item forever or any work is currently going on on this. The plan is to allow the user to edit the main menus through Nautilus. The vfolder menus should allow this, but they are somewhat buggy right now and still need to be fully worked out. -Seth From calum.benson@sun.com Tue Mar 5 09:03:50 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FBDC1932A; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 09:03:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA29554; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 07:03:49 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g25E3lu06491; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:03:48 GMT Message-ID: <3C84D043.8ED749@sun.com> Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 14:03:47 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hig@gnome.org Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [HIG] Exit confirmation References: <1075.192.168.1.9.1014779907.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <2jsp7u4efshn36jpg8khm9pmfmt6hcbaik@4ax.com> <1014860959.22741.21.camel@beauty> <20020228202957.GA11114@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> <1014937129.7308.12.camel@beauty> <20020228232811.GA1204@jt5-223b.tky.hut.fi> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Tommi Komulainen wrote: > Now, as I see it, the idea with the exit confirmation dialog is that the > user has the last chance to avoid losing his work or data, which in this > case means his best game of tetris ever. But if there is no data to be > lost, is there any reason to ask for confirmation? If not, should the > guidelines recommend against such confirmations? Yes, I think that would be a good guideline to include. It would be helpful if you could file a bug against the HIG so we don't forget it. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Tue Mar 5 10:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3013182D0 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 10:27:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.131.145]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSI007DEAWL6Z@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:26:46 +0800 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 23:51:02 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: How to new a GnomeCanvasBpath object? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <002801c1c45d$8e0046f0$918342da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ÕâÊÇ MIME ¸ñʽµÄ¾ßÓкܶಿ·ÖÏûÏ¢¡£ --Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT How to create and draw a bezier curve using ArtBpath or GnomeCanvasBpath on a GnomeCanvas widget? please give sample code if possible, thanks! --Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
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--Boundary_(ID_fGX1wNR+qlwyCUYvTqaUZg)-- From dtuchler@earthlink.net Tue Mar 5 14:31:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from svc.slu.edu (ps-fax.slu.edu [165.134.36.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 119A918A84 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 14:31:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from [165.134.23.100] by SLU.EDU (PMDF V6.0-025 #38756) with ESMTP id <01KF04HAITA495NB4G@SLU.EDU> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:27:24 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 13:30:55 -0600 From: Dennis Tuchler Subject: Spell Checking To: Gnome List Message-id: <1015356655.871.8.camel@linux> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have gnome spell installed and it seems to work. It underlines misspelled words, but it does not provide alternatives nor does it allow me to add to the database. Question: How do I get alternative spellings from the application, and how do I add words to the spell checker? thanks dj tuchler From roddy@visual-ra.swmed.edu Tue Mar 5 16:39:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from visual-ra.swmed.edu (visual-ra.swmed.edu [129.112.25.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69D611883E for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 16:39:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from visual-ra (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by visual-ra.swmed.edu (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA08156 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 15:45:35 -0600 (CST) Message-Id: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: nautilus crashing Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.78) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: Tue, 05 Mar 2002 15:45:34 -0600 From: Roddy McColl Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The nautilus shell has suddenly started crashing on my system i.e. /usr/bin/nautilus. I am running RedHat 7.2. The version of nautilus is the one that came with 7.2 i.e 1.0.4-43. Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version of the binary and hope it works. TIA -roddy -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Roddy McColl PhD roddy@mri.swmed.edu UT Southwestern (214) 648-2910 http://www-mri.swmed.edu/homes/roddy.html -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- From lauris@ximian.com Tue Mar 5 17:10:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.estpak.ee (zen.estpak.ee [194.126.101.100]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B3019685 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 17:10:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (80-235-62-82-dsl.trt.estpak.ee [80.235.62.82]) by zen.estpak.ee (Postfix) with ESMTP id A76FD6EC52; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 00:10:11 +0200 (EET) Subject: Re: Unable to compile gnome-print-0.34 From: Lauris Kaplinski To: Elardus Viljoen Cc: Gnome List In-Reply-To: <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> References: <3C7C8F2F.C9D19902@obsidianlabs.com> <1014808091.15000.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <3C7DC914.38CA1014@obsidianlabs.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 06 Mar 2002 00:03:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1015365823.14674.16.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello! Sorry, I was forced offline for some time... On Thu, 2002-02-28 at 08:07, Elardus Viljoen wrote: > I compiled freetype 2.0.7 with prefix set to /usr. The same prefix is > used when compiling gnome-print. > > libfreetype.so.6 (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so.6 > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/lib/libfreetype.so > libfreetype.so (libc6) => /usr/X11R6/lib/libfreetype.so Hmmm... it is probably installed by XFree, but bad things can really happen, if different FT versions will be mixed. Although I think the XFree one will be not linked to build normally (but not sure...) Also your error happens in compiling, not linking/running phase, so the guilty party should be freetype-config, that does not set up correct include paths... > Hmmm ... the last line bugs me. On other workstations at work only the > first two libs are found... > > > What does > > > > freetype-config --cflags > > /usr/bin/freetype-config: line 104: syntax error: unexpected end of > file Hmmm... Now that is weird. > Should I attach the file in question (about 2K) on my next email? freetype-config? You can do that, although I am not expert neither in freetype nor shell/perl stuff. You can also check, whether you have different freetype-configs lying around (maybe from prev install). Also, what does it do without arguments? Best wishes, Lauris Kaplinski > > > Hi! > > > > > > When compiling gnome-print-0.34 the following occurs: > > > > > > . > > > . > > > . > > > > > > usr/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 > > > -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > > > -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\""/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/"\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\""/usr/lib"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\""/usr/share/locale"\" -DBINDIR=\""/usr/bin"\" > > > -DDATADIR=\""/usr/share"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\""/usr/share/gnome/fonts"\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\""/usr/etc/gnome/fonts"\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -Wall -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c > > > rm -f .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I.. -I../intl -I../intl -I/usr/include > > > -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/lib/gnome-libs/include > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 > > > -I/usr/include/gnome-xml > > > -DPROFILEDIR=\"/usr/share/gnome-print/0.34/profiles/\" > > > -DGNOMEPRINT_LIBDIR=\"/usr/lib\" -s -O2 -march=i686 > > > -I/usr/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/include/glib-1.2 -I/usr/lib/glib/include > > > -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/include > > > -DGNOMELOCALEDIR=\"/usr/share/locale\" -DBINDIR=\"/usr/bin\" > > > -DDATADIR=\"/usr/share\" -DFONTMAPDIR_STATIC=\"/usr/share/gnome/fonts\" > > > -DFONTMAPDIR_DYNAMIC=\"/usr/etc/gnome/fonts\" -s -O2 -march=i686 -Wall > > > -Wunused -c gnome-print-ps2.c -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/gnome-print-ps2.lo > > > In file included from gnome-print-ps2.c:51: > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: parse error before `FT_Face' > > > ../libgnomeprint/gnome-font-private.h:50: warning: no semicolon at end > > > of struct or union > > > make[2]: *** [gnome-print-ps2.lo] Error 1 > > > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34/libgnomeprint' > > > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/gnome-print-0.34' > > > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > > > > > I get the same result when compiling both 0.35 and 0.32. > > -- > Regards. > Elardus > elardus@obsidianlabs.com > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 5 21:39:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60F6618165 for ; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g262d3v21832; Tue, 5 Mar 2002 21:39:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Roddy McColl Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: nautilus crashing References: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 05 Mar 2002 21:39:02 -0500 In-Reply-To: <200203052145.PAA08156@visual-ra.swmed.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Roddy McColl writes: > Is there an updated version of nautilus available for RedHat? I have > no idea why its crashing (Segmentation fault, gdb says "generic > error") so I don't have much option but to get an updated version > of the binary and hope it works. There are some experimental binaries at ftp://people.redhat.com/hp/gnomehide/ that may or may not help. Another thing to try is to get the Nautilus with debug symbols at http://people.redhat.com/hp/test-packages, install that, and then try running Nautilus in gdb. Just do "gdb nautilus" and type "backtrace" after the crash etc. You probably want to be sure Nautilus isn't in your session before fooling with gdb; open session-properties select Nautilus and click Remove. Havoc From Keelin.Boyle@Sun.COM Wed Mar 6 05:59:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC346180D9 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 05:59:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.70]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA28938 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 02:59:35 -0800 (PST) Received: from sr-edub03-03 (sr-edub03-03 [129.156.237.102]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with SMTP id g26AxXu11242 for ; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 GMT Message-Id: <200203061059.g26AxXu11242@dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 6 Mar 2002 10:59:33 +0000 (GMT) From: Keelin Boyle Reply-To: Keelin Boyle Subject: applet settings To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: dfp2m4sJ0IlHh2ljZuVnfQ== X-Mailer: dtmail 1.3.0 @(#)CDE Version 1.4.6_06 SunOS 5.8 sun4u sparc Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I'm running Gnome-2.0 on Solaris and think I might be missing some settings for applets that need internet access like gweather, gnome-dictionary and stock ticker?. Currently can't get any to work, anyone any clues? cheers Keelin. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Wed Mar 6 16:26:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 309AC182EF; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 16:26:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020306212639.PZLN355.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Wed, 6 Mar 2002 22:26:39 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 06 Mar 2002 22:25:42 +0100 Message-Id: <1015449963.4814.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-02-24 - 2002-03-02 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal 2. New GNOME Software Map 3. Evolution in the spotlight 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review 6. New Garnome out 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out 8. GUADEC registration online 9. Multimedia and Unix 10. Debugging with ORBit2 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore 12. Bug Day Reminder 13. Gman back from down under 14. Translated GNOME summaries 15. Hacker Activity 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity 17. New and Updated Software ============================================================== 1. Sun, Ximian and Wipro deal -------------------------------------------------------------- The big news of last week was the deal between Sun, Ximian and Wipro to further accelerate GNOME development. This deal brings in a lot of new fulltime developers to GNOME working for WIPRO in India. Those who have followed GNOME development lists have probably seen the growing precense of WIPRO engineers there over the last couple of months. A huge thanks to SUN who is behind this deal. http://www.ximian.com/about_us/press_center/press_releases/sun_gnome2.html ============================================================== 2. New GNOME Software Map -------------------------------------------------------------- As many of you have been aware of the GNOME Software map have been in dire need of an upgrade for some time. Lack of administrative functions have lead to tons of duplicate registrations and trying to search for software by category has been a pain. Well we have a new software map in place now based on the Sourceforge map. This means that the entries in the software map will be much more informative and finding the software you want much easier. There is also a new Mini-Description field for each project, this is the field that will be used in the GNOME Summaries from now on. When writing in a Mini-Description for your project remember that information like that it is for GNOME or repeating the application name is redundant. If you are a project developer and for some reason has not gotten an account for your project, mail the webmaster@gnome.org and we will try and help you out. A huge thanks to Steve Fox for making this. http://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/ ============================================================== 3. Evolution in the spotlight -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxword had a couple of articles on Ximian and Evolution. The first article focus on Ximian as a company and discuss their strategies for getting more people onto the Linux desktop. The second article by Joe Barr is about his switch from Sylpheed to Evolution. http://www.linuxworld.com/ic_821913_6995_1-3134.html http://www.linuxworld.com/site-stories/2002/0222.evolution.html ============================================================== 4. Galeon once again comes out on top in review -------------------------------------------------------------- Rob Valliere has done a review comparing the current browsers available on Linux. And it comes as no big suprise that Galeon once again is choosen as the favourite browser. Another feather in the hat for the Galeon team. http://www.robval.com/linux/2002/browsers.html ============================================================== 5. Gnumeric scores high in Spreadsheet review -------------------------------------------------------------- Linuxplanet has a review comparing current spreadsheets for Linux. Our own favourite Gnumeric gets very favourable remarks and comes in second only beaten by OpenCalc. With the GNOME 2 port of Gnumeric well underway I guess there is a good chance for the top spot the next time around. http://www.linuxplanet.com/linuxplanet/reviews/4078/3/ ============================================================== 6. New Garnome out -------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Waugh's popular Garnome scripts had a new release this week. For those not familiar with Garnome it is a set of scripts that downloads and builds all of GNOME2 for you. This means Garnome is the easiest way to tesst the GNOME 2 betas. http://www.gnome.org/~jdub/garnome/ ============================================================== 7. GNOME Subtitle editor out -------------------------------------------------------------- The activity on the multimedia front these days is simply amazing. New projects seems to be popping up daily to make sure we have the widest and best range of multimedia applications possible. Isak Savo made a new release of GNOME Subtitle editor this week. It is an application which let you edit or add subtitles to your divx movies. It is currently based on GNOME 1.x but a GNOME 2 port is planned in the near future. http://gsubedit.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 8. GUADEC registration online -------------------------------------------------------------- The GUADEC registration form is now online; please register as soon as you can. This form also allows you to apply for sponsorship if you need financial assistance to attend. Also for those who has not made travel arrangements yet you better get moving. Finding free hotel rooms and flights is already getting hard. http://www.guadec.org/submit/register.php ============================================================== 9. Multimedia and Unix -------------------------------------------------------------- I made two articles available last week on the topic of Multimedia on the Unix plattform. The first article is an attempt at summarising some of the core challenges we face in making Linux and Unix top knotch plattforms for doing serious multimedia development. The second article is by Chris Pirazzi and tells of some of the experiences that Chris made in regards to making Video libraries when at SGI. http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=215 http://www.linuxpower.com/display.php?id=216 ============================================================== 10. Debugging with ORBit2 -------------------------------------------------------------- After I posted the link to the article discussing debugging CORBA applcations using Ethereal in the previous summary, Mark McLoughlin one of our brilliant ORBit developers contacted me to say that this is not needed when using ORBit2. ORBit2 contains functionality itself to do the same. For more info check out the 'how do I enable ORB debugging' entry in the ORBit2 FAQ. http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsblame.cgi?file=ORBit2/docs/FAQ&rev=&root=/cvs/gno me ============================================================== 11. Nautilus Scripts Galore -------------------------------------------------------------- One of the nice features of the Nautilus filemanager is the support for scripting. If you are missing some functionality it is often not more than a couple of script lines away. To make things even easier a site has been set up to collect and distribute some of the nice Nautilus scripts already made. Check it out to find the script that changes your life. http://www-personal.umich.edu/~smueller/Nautilus-Scripts/ ============================================================== 12. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). If you don't like buggy software you really should come here and help out. ============================================================== 13. Gman back from down under -------------------------------------------------------------- To the great relief of the GNOME community Gman returned from his vacation to the land down under this week. Gman who has given Guinness beer a face in the GNOME community is reported to be boiling over with energy after his vacation. The Summary desk got a report in that Gman has said that he will outcode everyone else during the next month in preparation for GUADEC. If he fails he will pay for the beer of everyone who has more CVS commits than him during GUADEC. We where not able to reach Gman to get this confirmed before the Summary deadline. ============================================================== 14. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 15. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 122 gtk+ 121 gnucash 120 gnumeric 115 gnome-applets 75 evolution 71 galeon 70 nautilus 70 gimp 55 gnome-utils 53 gtkmm-root 43 pan 41 gnome-panel 40 gnome-media 35 profterm 34 glib 30 gnome-control-center 30 yelp 29 SashXB 28 gnome-i18n 28 gtranslator [138 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 158 pablo 106 minmax 80 owen 72 peticolas (gnucash) 68 chyla 56 stano 53 darin 48 menthos 48 jody 44 warlord (gnucash) 40 murrayc 39 olau 38 sebol 35 neo 35 kabalak 35 mortenw 34 hp 32 mmclouglin 32 rodrigo 30 chrisime [143 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 16. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6626 (In the last week: New: +900 Resolved: -807) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1225 (In the last week: New: +84 Resolved: -111) gnome-core: 439 (In the last week: New: +73 Resolved: -76) gtk+: 338 (In the last week: New: +69 Resolved: -83) gnome-vfs: 238 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -2) gnome-applets: 229 (In the last week: New: +31 Resolved: -42) gnome-pilot: 186 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -12) sawfish: 168 (In the last week: New: +12 Resolved: -6) galeon: 156 (In the last week: New: +138 Resolved: -127) GIMP: 142 (In the last week: New: +37 Resolved: -4) gmc: 132 (In the last week: New: +10 Resolved: -0) gphoto: 129 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -0) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: +0 Resolved: -0) control-center: 110 (In the last week: New: +36 Resolved: -15) gnome-pim: 109 (In the last week: New: +3 Resolved: -25) balsa: 95 (In the last week: New: +23 Resolved: -29) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: yaneti@declera.com: 96 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 75 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 73 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 60 bugs closed. clambin@easynet.be: 44 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 37 bugs closed. darin@bentspoon.com: 37 bugs closed. pawsa@theochem.kth.se: 29 bugs closed. cbiesinger@web.de: 24 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 21 bugs closed. jaka@gnu.org: 20 bugs closed. michael@technologyreview.org: 19 bugs closed. charles@rebelbase.com: 17 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 17 bugs closed. snickell@stanford.edu: 17 bugs closed. ============================================================== 17. New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- Wildcard - Program for renaming files. Balsa - Powerfull Email client gxsm - Graphical interface for 2D/3D data visualisation and aquisitation Nova - Free Integrated Observational Environment Gnewspost - Frontend to newspost the NTTP binary newsposter. BEAST/BSE - framework for all sorts of music composition, sequencing and synthesis tasks. conc - Conc is a serial console concentrator package. gmmusic - A music collection database File Roller - An archive manager gtktalog - Easily browse a CDROM database. Guikachu - for graphical editing of resource files for PalmOS-based gnome-db - Database access for GNOME applications Encompass - A lightweight Web Browser using GtkHTML. glade-- - Backend for glade to create C++ sources. gtranslator - Comfortable po file editor GNOME Subtitle Editor - For edititing/manipulating and converting DivX subtitles. linphone - Web-phone. It lets you make two-party phone calls. gcompris - A simple education game. gnome-crystal - Light model visualizer for crystal structures. David - C and C++ code editor GnomeMeeting - Video conferencing software gnome-vfs - Virtual File system gtkmm2 - C++ interface to GTK+ 2.0 polyXmass - Define brand new GTablature - Tablatures (guitar partitions) editor and player GnoSens - Simple HW monitor for gnome panel Sound Monitor applet - A panel applet that shows a vu meter, scope, or a spectrum analyzer Gtkdial - Frontend to the wvdial intelligent PPP dialer Gnotide - Gnotide is a tidal analysis software. For more information on these packages visit the GNOME Software map: http://www.gnome.org/applist/listrecent.php3 Another great week with lots of stuff happening. But next week will be even grander with a new GNOME beta and a new GStreamer release, so stay tuned. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From philippe.defert@cern.ch Thu Mar 7 03:45:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp3.cern.ch (smtp3.cern.ch [137.138.131.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D4B6180E9 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 03:45:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from gnuisance.cern.ch (IDENT:defert@gnuisance.cern.ch [137.138.33.85]) by smtp3.cern.ch (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g278g2Ul003029; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 09:42:02 +0100 (MET) Subject: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Philippe DEFERT To: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 09:42:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at startup. Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? Thanks for your help. Amicalement. Philippe From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 7 04:07:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20766186CF for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:07:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020307090749.XUXH24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 10:07:49 +0100 Subject: Re: Nautilus 1.0.6 with new mozilla 0.9.8 - it does not work From: Hongli Lai To: Philippe DEFERT Cc: nautilus-list@lists.eazel.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> References: <1015490531.1049.123.camel@gnuisance> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 07 Mar 2002 10:08:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1015492124.1257.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 09:42, Philippe DEFERT wrote: > > I recompiled nautilus 1.0.6 to use new versions of the different gnome > libraries and also mozilla 0.9.8. The compilation (in fact the link of > mozilla component) failed for Solaris and terminated succesfully on > Linux. But the mozilla component systematically crashes on linux at > startup. > > Is there a new version ? Is there a new tar file ? Is there a tag for > the CVS version which could give a version of nautilus compatible with > gnome 1.4 and mozilla 0.9.8 ? > > Thanks for your help. > Amicalement. > Philippe > Try install Galeon 1.1.x. It provides a Nautilus viewer component, so you can use Galeon in Nautilus instead of that crappy Mozilla view. :-) From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Thu Mar 7 04:20:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9324818160 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 04:20:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16iu5x-0003Kr-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 01:21:53 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: keyboard no work when start gdm automatically (non-automatic ok...) Message-ID: <20020307012153.A12822@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Linux on VMWARE on Windoze can run GNOME.... If I start gdm after I login myself then all is fine. If I add gdm to rc.local so done automatically then keyboard doesn't print characters in gdm when I try to type username and passwd. Why gdm autostart doesn't read keyboard anymore? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From bordoley@pilot.msu.edu Thu Mar 7 12:06:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot22.cl.msu.edu (pilot22.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82B8E18322 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bordoley@localhost) by pilot22.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) id g27H6bH31532 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 Message-Id: <200203071706.g27H6bH31532@pilot22.cl.msu.edu> Subject: gnome 1.41, where is it? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Thu, 7 Mar 2002 12:06:37 -0500 (EST) From: "David Adam Bordoley" X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Anyone know when 1.41 will be released. It would be nice to get this out, as it looks like gnome2 is going to be delayed a bit. dave From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Thu Mar 7 13:51:25 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC8218FF7 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 13:51:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g27IU9GN004819 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 19:30:09 +0100 Message-ID: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Thu, 07 Mar 2002 19:30:07 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms010008070408000002010303" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms010008070408000002010303 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Pawel Salek wrote: > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). 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(5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Mar 2002 21:03:22.0078 (UTC) FILETIME=[83CD6FE0:01C1C61B] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop icons. I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from happening again ?] Thanks, Staven - Staven Bruce Network Systems Analyst From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 7 16:10:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6579F1989B for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:10:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g27L98t09975; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 07 Mar 2002 16:09:08 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: >=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious circular-dependency reasons. =20 Havoc From erik@bagfors.nu Thu Mar 7 16:17:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from detrius.engohol.se (h107n2fls32o808.telia.com [213.67.249.107]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86B6E18549 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 16:17:14 -0500 (EST) Received: by detrius.engohol.se (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1B86B1BD8; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Erik =?ISO-8859-1?Q?B=E5gfors?= To: Havoc Pennington Cc: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 07 Mar 2002 22:17:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1015535832.5545.26.camel@detrius> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 22:09, Havoc Pennington wrote: >=20 > R=E9mi Cohen-Scali writes: > >=20 > > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a > > location menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > > Why it has been abandonned ? > > >=20 > It still exists AFAIK, it just isn't in GTK, for obvious > circular-dependency reasons. > =20 So.. will it be used in gnome2? /Erik --=20 Erik B=E5gfors | erik@bagfors.nu Supporter of free software | GSM +46 733 279 273 fingerprint: 6666 A85B 95D3 D26B 296B 6C60 4F32 2C0B 693D 6E32 From michaelv@cox-internet.com Thu Mar 7 18:13:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from europa.cox-internet.com (europa-cox.cox-internet.com [208.180.118.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 131E918253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:13:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from cdm-208-134-146 ([208.180.134.146]) by europa.cox-internet.com (InterMail vK.4.02.00.10 201-232-116-110 license 180e1de7f543f89455b24e508f9cca39) with ESMTP id <20020307230916.VERZ4641.europa@cdm-208-134-146>; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 17:09:16 -0600 Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? From: Michael Vanderford To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali Cc: Gnome Mailling List In-Reply-To: <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30" X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 07 Mar 2002 17:11:35 -0600 Message-Id: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: Pawel Salek wrote: =20 > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 >> 1.3.15, why is that? >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till >> now >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but >> produtive and user friendly > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support=20 > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely=20 > productive. > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the=20 > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have an= y=20 > "user friendly" ideas. > > -pawel > _______________________________________________ > gnome-devel-list mailing list > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list =20 The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location= =20 menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). Why it has been abandonned ? =20 --=20 -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- =20 =20 I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need for it not to be. Not the other way around. IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for GNOME is less than desirable. _______________________ Michael Vanderford email: michaelv@cox-internet.com web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv _______________________ --=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, Rémi Cohen-Scali wrote: 
Pawel Salek wrote:

>
> On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote:
>
>> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector
>> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in 
>> 1.3.15, why is that?
>> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till
>> now
>> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but
>> produtive and user friendly
>
>
> I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present 
> GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support 
> and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetely 
> productive.
>
> The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the 
> filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have any 
> "user friendly" ideas.
>
> -pawel
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The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a location 
menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO).
Why it has been abandonned ?

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                   Remi Cohen-Scali                       /\\
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I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is a special need
for it not to be. Not the other way around.
IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, The one for
GNOME is less than desirable.
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--=-hi/VZ647M869w1x7bk30-- From frank.rehberger@web.de Thu Mar 7 18:19:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mailgate5.cinetic.de (mailgate5.cinetic.de [217.72.192.165]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9899D18253 for ; Thu, 7 Mar 2002 18:19:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from web.de (fmomail02.dlan.cinetic.de [172.20.1.46]) by mailgate5.cinetic.de (8.11.2/8.11.2/SuSE Linux 8.11.0-0.4) with SMTP id g27NIxv31499; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:00 +0100 Message-Id: <200203072319.g27NIxv31499@mailgate5.cinetic.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Organization: http://freemail.web.de/ From: To: "GnomeMaillingList" , "StavenBruce" Subject: Re: Newbie Question Precedence: fm-user Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Staven Bruce schrieb am 07.03.02: > I'm using GNOME on a brand new Compaq DL350 server with 500MB RAM and a 1.0 > GHz proc. Now foregoing the "why are using a GUI on a server" discussion, I > had something peculiar happen I wanted to as all of you about. > > I was configuring BIND on the machine, using a couple of term windows. When > I finished, I hit the Lock Icon on the GNOME Panel, and it did not respond. > I tried a couple of other Icons but the only one that would respond was the > GNOME menu panel. I notices at this point, that my basic three desktop icons > were gone. I elected to reboot the machine, and then log back in using the > same "admin" account I was using. Everything seemed to be working fine, > however the icons did not come back. I then logged out and logged back in as > ROOT, and everything was present and working for ROOT, including the desktop > icons. > > I am assuming that the desktop "crashed" on me, however, I do not know how > to restore it to what it was. Plus, is there anyway I can prevent this from > happening again ?] I asume you changed the name of your machine while Gnome-session was running. I had the same experience with Gnome-1.x The problem might be some session files that are bound to machine-id. Regards, Frank ______________________________________________________________________________ Die Nummer, die sich jeder merkt: Ihre 01212 Wunschrufnummer von WEB.DE! Jetzt sichern: http://freemail.web.de/?mc=990001 From bighead@users.sourceforge.net Fri Mar 8 00:10:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [203.94.254.140]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED21818920 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:10:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from bighead@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g285F2Y20024; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bighead set sender to bighead@users.sourceforge.net using -f To: Michael Vanderford Cc: =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Archit Baweja Date: 08 Mar 2002 10:45:02 +0530 In-Reply-To: <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Message-ID: Lines: 76 User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) Emacs/20.7 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? Archit Baweja Michael Vanderford writes: > On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 12:30, R=E9mi Cohen-Scali wrote: >=20 > Pawel Salek wrote: >=20=20=20=20=20 > > > > On 2002.03.07 18:56 Gustavo Noronha Silva wrote: > > > >> > With the upcoming release of GTK2, I thought the file selector > >> dialog maybe re-designed...To my surprise its still the same in=20 > >> 1.3.15, why is that? > >> hmmm... that'd disappoint me a lot... I love everything I saw 'till > >> now > >> on Gtk 1.3 but Gtk 1.2's file selection dialog is anything but > >> produtive and user friendly > > > > > > I guess this is a question of taste. Actually, I like the present=20 > > GtkFileSelector quite much since it has convenient keyboard support= =20 > > and tab expansion. So, IMO, it is quite user friendly and definetel= y=20 > > productive. > > > > The only problem I experienced so far was a tendence to "loose" the= =20 > > filename when using the file selector for saving but I do not have = any=20 > > "user friendly" ideas. > > > > -pawel > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-devel-list mailing list > > gnome-devel-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-devel-list >=20=20=20=20=20 > The Gnome File Selector Bonobo component has a location bar, a locati= on=20 > menu, displays mime icons and it is lovely (IMHO). > Why it has been abandonned ? >=20=20=20=20=20 > --=20 > -o) > Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ > _\_v > ---- >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20=20=20=20=20 >=20 > I agree. The File Selector should be "all encompassing" unless there is > a special need > for it not to be. Not the other way around. > IMHO comparatively speaking in respect to other File Selection Dialogs, > The one for > GNOME is less than desirable. > _______________________ > Michael Vanderford >=20 > email: michaelv@cox-internet.com > web: http://www.cox-internet.com/michaelv > _______________________ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Processed by Mailcrypt 3.5.6 and Gnu Privacy Guard iD8DBQE8iEjV2rWNPKmGjMcRAsf7AJ9IksVDNRHon+DyYlilOlvBGf3fCwCfbQBR pQWm6Ytq04SY/fFT/7kjACM=3D =3D7ViU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From andoylinux@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 00:33:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pop.jadephil.net (unknown [203.167.110.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 192A4182D9 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:33:10 -0500 (EST) Received: from yahoo.com (unknown [202.164.191.229]) by pop.jadephil.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2960239 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:42:32 +0800 (PHT) Message-ID: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 13:40:12 +0800 From: Andres Montiel User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win98; en-GB; rv:0.9.4) Gecko/20011019 Netscape6/6.2 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome does not close Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. What could I do to solve this dilemma? - Andres Montiel From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 8 02:10:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13304.mail.yahoo.com (web13304.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.40]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4524B18342 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 02:10:00 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.19] by web13304.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 07:09:59 GMT Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:09:59 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: background color in gnome-canvas To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi everyone! In my program i am using gnome-canvas. and i want to set the background color of the canvas to a particular color. how can i do that? if someone can help me out..?? thankx Vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Fri Mar 8 03:19:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EAD561837C for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 03:19:43 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g288Jgr11688 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 00:19:42 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: Gnome does not close From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 08 Mar 2002 00:19:41 -0800 Message-Id: <1015575582.26582.25.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2002-03-07 at 21:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE a= s my=20 > window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome.=20 > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't clo= se.=20 > I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. >=20 > What could I do to solve this dilemma? What's the exact behavior? You choose `exit' (from the menu?), then you get a ``are you sure you want to exit?'' dialog(?) Then you click OK(?) then what? --Ben --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8iHQcBQkCV8iOJocRApzxAJ9fTMvMd994B83+EHnZpZVaX+whGACeIV1U g8x6FkjQ/bWCZBPuN9h8078= =qFm8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-uNquX+twyOVDM1YzQeJV-- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Fri Mar 8 04:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE39B1867B for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 04:36:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from p192-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.29.192] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jGni-0002Ww-00 for ; Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:36:34 +1300 Message-ID: <3C888642.2CA8244@inet.net.nz> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 22:37:06 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm not working after 8.1 updates Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I cannot login to gnome with gdm after putting in some MDK 8.1 updates with Red Carpet, it only has default & failsafe listed, if i choose default it loads KDE. I changed to runlevel 3, run "startx gnome" but it starts IceWM. I have only downloaded Red Carpet, Ximian Gnome will be next. How do i get gdm working properly again ? The updates I put in with Red Carpet caused the problem when i booted next day. Updates with Red Carpet on Mar 6 : aspell-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm aspell-en_GB-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm bind-utils-9.2.0-0.rc3.2mdk.i586.rpm ftp-client-krb5-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm krb5-libs-1.2.2-15.1mdk.i586.rpm libaspell10-0.33.7.1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libcups1-1.1.10-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libldap2-2.0.21-1.1mdk.i586.rpm libogg0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.3.i586.rpm libpspell4-0.12.2-2.1mdk.i586.rpm libsnmp0-4.2.3-1.1mdk.i586.rpm procmail-3.22-1.1mdk.i586.rpm xchat-1.8.7-1.1mdk.i586.rpm From syslog: Mar 7 20:29:46 localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/ File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: String found where operator expected at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: ^I(Do you need to predeclare croak?) localhost fndSession: syntax error at /usr/lib/perl5/5.6.1/i386-linux/File/Glob.pm line 94, near croak localhost fndSession: Compilation failed in require at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost fndSession: BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at /usr/sbin/chksession line 73. localhost mandrake_everytime: Building Window Manager Sessions failed These only showed on the first boot (after updates), nothing on next reboots. I also put in these on Mar 8: Mar 8 01:02 control-center-1.4.0.2-9.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:07 dpsftplib-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 01:08 libdpsftp4-0.1.6-5mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:47 libvorbis0-1.0-0.rc3.1.ximian.2.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:48 perl-GTK-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-GdkImlib-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Glade-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:49 perl-GTK-Gnome-0.7008-10.ximian.1.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:31 util-linux-2.11h-3.1mdk.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:46 xmms-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-esd-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-gnome-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm Mar 8 00:50 xmms-mikmod-1.2.6-4.ximian.3.i586.rpm They made no difference. Outer updates i did days earlier at a terminal: at-3.1.8-4.1mdk.i586.rpm enscript-1.6.1-22.1mdk.i586.rpm expect-8.3.3-9.1mdk.i586.rpm flex-2.5.4a-17.1mdk.i586.rpm glibc-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm gnupg-1.0.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm groff-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm groff-for-man-1.17.2-3.3mdk.i586.rpm gzip-1.2.4a-9.1mdk.i586.rpm htdig-3.2.0-0.5mdk.i586.rpm initscripts-6.27-10.4mdk.i586.rpm iptables-1.2.4-1.1mdk.i586.rpm ldconfig-2.2.4-9.1mdk.i586.rpm libgtop1-1.0.12-4.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm openssh-clients-3.0.2p1-1.1mdk.i586.rpm passwd-0.64.1-9.1mdk.i586.rpm rsync-2.4.6-3.1mdk.i586.rpm slocate-2.6-1.1mdk.i586.rpm There were no problems with these. Thanks for any help you can offer. Dex From bootsy52@gmx.net Fri Mar 8 05:44:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 52E7418DE5 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 05:44:43 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 12405 invoked by uid 0); 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Received: from pd953cc83.dip.t-dialin.net (HELO gmx.net) (217.83.204.131) by mail.gmx.net (mp008-rz3) with SMTP; 8 Mar 2002 10:44:42 -0000 Message-ID: <3C889619.20607@gmx.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 11:44:41 +0100 From: Carsten Menke User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020202 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > Were you running Netscape ? Sometimes, when Gnome runs for over a week and Netscape as it is behaved to Netscape, crashed, it tooks a long time to log out. But Gnome definitley logs out. It only takes some time. Carsten From gnome@lambic.co.uk Fri Mar 8 07:58:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (relais.videotron.ca [24.201.245.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C5AC18E68 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([24.201.134.71]) by VL-MS-MR004.sc1.videotron.ca (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with SMTP id GSNO0Q01.IUY for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:02 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Mark To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Fri, 8 Mar 2002 07:58:22 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.1] References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <20020308125803.1C5AC18E68@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On March 8, 2002 05:40, Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE as > my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using Gnome. > Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't > close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. I have the same problem in Mandrake 8.1. I usually switch to a console and kill stuff until Gnome eventually logs out. I haven't narrowed down exactly what is causing the problem but I think it might have something to do with KDE apps running under Gnome. From esoteric@3times25.net Fri Mar 8 08:09:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CBBC184AA for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:09:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EDC212A11; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 08:08:40 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 08:08:38 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Andres Montiel Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome does not close References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless you've already attempted this. Andres Montiel wrote: > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and choosing KDE > as my window manager from the menu log on menu. Recently, I tried using > Gnome. Everything works okay, until I choose to exit, that is. Gnome > doesn't close. I have to press Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? > > - Andres Montiel > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From hp@redhat.com Fri Mar 8 12:16:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0693C18B36 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g28HGbX15235; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Archit Baweja Cc: Michael Vanderford , =?iso-8859-1?q?R=E9mi?= Cohen-Scali , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 08 Mar 2002 12:16:37 -0500 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Archit Baweja writes: > > I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 > release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? > There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. Havoc From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Fri Mar 8 13:00:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53AE718972 for ; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 13:00:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g28HarGN032686; Fri, 8 Mar 2002 18:36:53 +0100 Message-ID: <3C88F6B3.8000801@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Fri, 08 Mar 2002 18:36:51 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8+) Gecko/20020302 X-Accept-Language: fr, en, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Archit Baweja , Michael Vanderford , Gnome Mailling List Subject: Re: new file selector dialog? References: <20020307184350.GA1196@pi.uio.no> <3C87B1AF.7040609@Cohen-Scali.com> <1015542696.22637.9.camel@cdm-208-134-146> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: >Archit Baweja writes: > >>I believe that the file selector issue had been postponed till the Gtk+-2.2 >>release, to be exact. Am I correct on that one? >> > >There's no 2.x roadmap yet really, but it's a good guess. > >Havoc > But for gnome 1.4 is it possible to correct bugs and make changes on GnomeFileSelector bonobo component ? If yes I could have some to post to improve its useability in galeon (the only application I know it is used in for now). -- -o) Remi Cohen-Scali /\\ _\_v ---- From tedlinux@inet.net.nz Sat Mar 9 05:51:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tyler.snap.net.nz (tyler.snap.net.nz [202.37.101.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61C0181BF for ; Sat, 9 Mar 2002 05:51:03 -0500 (EST) Received: from p353-tnt1.snap.net.nz ([203.97.30.99] helo=inet.net.nz) by tyler.snap.net.nz with esmtp (Exim 3.22 #1 ) id 16jeRJ-0001cd-00 for ; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:01 +1300 Message-ID: <3C89E938.10A41D9B@inet.net.nz> Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:51:36 +1300 From: Trev Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.8-26mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gdm not working after 8.1 updates ---> Fixed Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, Sorry i thought it was using gdm. The right way to change from kdm to gdm is to create a file /etc/sysconfig/desktop with this content: #!/bin/sh export DISPLAYMANAGER="Gnome" That fixed it, but why did the updates brake kdm! Thanks for your help. Have a happy day. Ed From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 02:57:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23A7182BF for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:57:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jyDK-0004Vw-00; Sat, 09 Mar 2002 23:57:55 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: Geoffrey , Andres Montiel Subject: Re: Gnome does not close Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 01:56:54 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <3C884EBC.4040103@yahoo.com> <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> In-Reply-To: <3C88B7D6.7050102@3times25.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 08 March 2002 07:08 am, Geoffrey wrote: > At one time I thought I had the same problem, but it was really > because I wasn't waiting long enough. I would guess it's dependent > upon all the things you have running when you attempt to exit. > I've never timed it, but I would estimate that it had been > a > minute, which would seem a long time. I'd give it another shot and > give it too much time, say 5 minutes. It's worth the test, unless > you've already attempted this. > > Andres Montiel wrote: > > I have RedHat 7.2 on my system. I have been logging on and > > choosing KDE as my window manager from the menu log on menu. > > Recently, I tried using Gnome. Everything works okay, until I > > choose to exit, that is. Gnome doesn't close. I have to press > > Ctrl-Alt-Backspace to kill xwindows. > > > > What could I do to solve this dilemma? I've been meaning to write about this. I often have the same problem and I'm using FreeBSD 4.4-RELEASE. What I have happening is that I click on the taskbar|logout button and gnome just freezes. The panels at the bottom and top of the screen remain, but become totally unresponsive. I haven't waited over a minute, but I think that's a bit much -- especially when I have already quit all the applications I've started in my login session. Fortunately, Gnome doesn't kill the window manager when this happens, so I just use my window manager's root-screen menu to start an xterm, through which I kill gnome-session. (Fwiw, I've used Sawfish wm when Gnome's had this behavior.) In regard to a previous helper's post, I do use Netscape, though I'm not sure if I've used it every time that my Gnome session won't close. I do know this: it hasn't happened after Netscape crashed, because Netscape has never crashed on my system. (That, incidentally, is precisely what made me try FreeBSD a few years ago: Netscape kept bringing my Linux box to its knees.) -- "I have found the best way to give advice to your children is to find out what they want and then advise them to do it." -- Harry S. Truman (1884 - 1972) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:17:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE8189F9 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:17:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00BI10B3HQ@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:16:17 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:41:14 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: background color in gnome-canvas To: Vivek Singhal Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <003601c1c80f$574467d0$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <20020308070959.69679.qmail@web13304.mail.yahoo.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi, you can simply change the style of the widget. Do that as following: GdkColor bgcolor=your_color_here(); GtkStyle * style; GtkStyle * defstyle; GtkWidget * widget=your_widget_here(); defstyle=gtk_widget_get_default_style(); style=gtk_style_copy(defstyle); style->bg[GTK_STATE_NORMAL]=bgcolor; gtk_widget_set_style(widget, style); Note do not modify the default style of widget derectly, you should modiy the copy of it. Kevin From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sun Mar 10 03:28:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net (albatross.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B38B180EE for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:28:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.56.139.68.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.56.139.68] helo=there) by albatross.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16jygy-0000IL-00; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 00:28:32 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: chiara zaniboni , gnome-list Subject: Re: Mouse cursor Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 02:27:31 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> In-Reply-To: <3C7A5FEA.3070707@promet8.deis.unibo.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Monday 25 February 2002 10:01 am, chiara zaniboni wrote: > Hallo! > It is possible to change the shape of the mouse cursor to have the > clock and not the arrow? > Thank-you! Try these (and you don't have to be root): $ xsetroot -cursor_name clock $ xsetroot -cursor_name watch This one will set it back to the arrow: $ xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr -- "Tact is the ability to describe others as they see themselves." -- Abraham Lincoln (1809 - 1865) From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Sun Mar 10 03:30:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B83281816E for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:30:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.132.72]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSR00B030YFIM@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:30:16 +0800 (CST) Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:55:13 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: compiled ORBit2? To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: ÕâÊÇ MIME ¸ñʽµÄ¾ßÓкܶಿ·ÖÏûÏ¢¡£ --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? thanks! --Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w) Content-type: text/html; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT
When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend?
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--Boundary_(ID_a3akQjxLfATPLCjl8dJk6w)-- From ermshta@ermshta.org Sun Mar 10 03:46:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (tomts24.bellnexxia.net [209.226.175.187]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 522D11815D for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca ([216.209.174.37]) by tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.4.01.03.23 201-229-121-123-20010418) with ESMTP id <20020310084627.WOCM1234.tomts24-srv.bellnexxia.net@TroisR-ppp41429.qc.sympatico.ca> for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 03:46:27 -0500 Subject: sounds From: Jee To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 10 Mar 2002 03:46:26 -0500 Message-Id: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? Jee Desjardins P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8ix1h1y89fXtyeSYRAvUpAJ9GuI4aVGy77JbegalLiEaSLD8WvQCgochf vrsKLvcqSsG36wHj3i+4k0c= =6LSs -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IAcKoqXRK7TydSDteXd3-- From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 10 19:19:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-44.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.45]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A40E18A34 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 19:19:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from u.washington.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2B0JHf04697 for ; Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:18 -0800 Message-ID: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Date: Sun, 10 Mar 2002 16:19:16 -0800 From: Travis Saling User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020212 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome mailing list Subject: Ximian's mozilla packages Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, Is there a trick to getting LDAP enabled in the Mozilla address book (Ximian's 0.9.8 packages)? I haven't used Mozilla Mail for a while; but Evolution can be dog slow at times so I'm (perhaps temporarilly) switching back. Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Any advice or ideas would be appreciated. I have the following RPMs installed: mozilla-xmlterm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-devel-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-psm-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 mozilla-mail-0.9.8-1.ximian.4 -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From mads.randstoft@tellabs.com Mon Mar 11 03:15:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mx4.tellabs.com (mx4.tellabs.com [204.68.180.54]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3001C182F9 for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 03:15:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (mxdk.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.74.16]) by mx4.tellabs.com (Mirapoint) with ESMTP id ACQ05331; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 02:15:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com (pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com [172.19.110.113]) by mxdk.dk.tellabs.com (8.8.6 (PHNE_17190)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id JAA25059; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 09:15:53 +0100 (MET) Subject: Re: Ximian's mozilla packages From: Mads Randstoft To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Travis Saling In-Reply-To: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> References: <3C8BF804.7050706@u.washington.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 09:20:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1015834867.831.3.camel@pc-mrandsto.ms.dk.tellabs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-11 at 01:19, Travis Saling wrote: Hello! > Before Evolution was around I used Mozilla, and LDAP worked back then - > but I wasn't using Ximian Gnome at the time. Works fine for me... Setting Address Autocompletion to "Directory server" And setting scope to "Subtree"... -- Codito, Ergo Sum -- Mads Randstoft Development Engineer Tellabs Copenhagen ============================================================ The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential and protected from disclosure. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any reproduction, dissemination or distribution of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by replying to the message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you. Tellabs ============================================================ From klaus.dahlke@gmx.de Mon Mar 11 17:27:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6EC721822A for ; Mon, 11 Mar 2002 17:27:37 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 22834 invoked by uid 0); 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Received: from p508b0719.dip0.t-ipconnect.de (80.139.7.25) by mail.gmx.net (mp011-rz3) with SMTP; 11 Mar 2002 22:27:31 -0000 Subject: compiling Guppi-0.40.3 From: Klaus Dahlke To: gnome-list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 11 Mar 2002 23:31:10 +0100 Message-Id: <1015885871.1178.3.camel@p49979> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, I tried to compile Guppi-0.40.3 and it fails with: gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I. -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include -I../.. -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/app/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/app/gnome/include/gdk-pixbuf-1.0 -I/app/gnome/include/gnome-xml -I/app/gnome/include/orbit-1.0 -DG_LOG_DOMAIN=\"libguppiuseful\" -DGUPPI_PREFIX=\"/app/gnome\" -DGUPPI_PLUGINS=\"/app/gnome/lib/guppi/plug-ins/0.40.3\" -DGUPPI_PIXMAPS=\"/app/gnome/share/pixmaps/guppi\" -DGUPPI_SCRIPTS=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/scripts\" -DGUPPI_GLADE_DIR=\"/app/gnome/share/guppi/glade\" -I/app/gnome/include/gtk-1.2 -I/app/gnome/include/glib-1.2 -I/app/gnome/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -g -O2 -Wall -Wunused -c guppi-file.c -fPIC -DPIC -o guppi-file.o guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_getc': guppi-file.c:169: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgetc' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_gets': guppi-file.c:179: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzgets' guppi-file.c:179: warning: return makes pointer from integer without a cast guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_peek': guppi-file.c:185: `z_off_t' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:185: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once guppi-file.c:185: for each function it appears in.) guppi-file.c:185: parse error before `where' guppi-file.c:192: `where' undeclared (first use in this function) guppi-file.c:192: warning: implicit declaration of function `gztell' guppi-file.c:194: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzseek' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_rewind': guppi-file.c:223: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzrewind' guppi-file.c: In function `guppi_file_eof': guppi-file.c:245: warning: implicit declaration of function `gzeof' make[3]: *** [guppi-file.lo] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src/libguppiuseful' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/app/work/Guppi-0.40.3' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 The Makfile was created by './configure --prefix=/app/gnome --enable-sluggish-linking'. Guppi-0.40.2 could be compiled. Thanks for the help. Cheers, Klaus From don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Tue Mar 12 15:30:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (heneryhawk.csgsystems.com [205.144.146.213]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25B9B186B5 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:30:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from foghorn.csgsystems.com (foghorn [205.144.147.166]) by heneryhawk.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKTvop028500 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 13:29:57 -0700 (MST) Received: from doud01-linux (doud01-linux.csgsystems.com [10.1.39.173] (may be forged)) by foghorn.csgsystems.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2CKSvX3008059 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:28:57 -0600 (CST) Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 14:30:11 -0600 From: Don Doumakes To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Mounting home directory Message-ID: <20020312143011.A985@doud01-linux.csgsystems.com> Reply-To: don_doumakes@csgsystems.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.0 Lines: 23 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really like using the loop-AES encrypted filesystem function in the new RedHat. It lets me take an encrypted file, mount it as a loopback device, and presto, I have access to my private data. I also like GNOME. I want to use the two at the same time. Here's how I accomplish that now: I log in at a text prompt, then manually mount my encrypted loopback filesystem using my own home directory as a mount point. (This way everything in my home directory tree, including GNOME configuration, browser history, etc., can be stored securely when I'm not around.) I then manually start X. Works great. I should be satisfied, but nooooooo. What I'd prefer to do, is boot into init level 5 and log in from a graphical prompt. At that point, I can pop open a terminal window and manually mount the encrypted file system as before. But this breaks GNOME, or appears to do so: e.g., I can't open another terminal window until I unmount the encrypted filesystem. Is there a way to get GNOME to reread its configuration without logging out? (Or is there a better question to ask?) -- Don Doumakes From jirka@zinc.5z.com Tue Mar 12 18:47:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zinc.5z.com (zinc.5z.com [64.23.60.156]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C184E182CF; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:49 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by zinc.5z.com (8.11.0/8.11.0) id g2CNloT23716; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 18:47:50 -0500 Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2002 15:55:05 -0800 From: George To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Subject: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release Message-ID: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> Mail-Followup-To: George , gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.24i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: THISISTHEENDMYONLYFRIENDTHEEND Yes, I completely forgot to make a new release when I should have, so here it is anyway to fix my mistake. A few important fixes are in, so I'd suggest upgrading. Yes, I have been very lazy at doing this maintainer stuff recently due to the aquisition of a little bit more life then I had previously. Not to mention that I now have to like ... work ... and not on GNOME :) And now for the standard part of the release announcement: Ahh, so you have no clue what gdm is? Well if you've read this far ... let's not get into that. Gdm is GNOME Display Manager, the little daemon that lets you log in to your computer. It allows xdmcp multiple login displays, selection of languages, multiple login sessions and generally is much cooler then any xdm clone out there, mostly cuz it isn't an xdm clone to begin with. I mean heck, it's even got a graphical configurator, so you don't have to use the command line to hose your system anymore. News: ===== Highlights of 2.2.5.5: - Security: Unknown users are treated just like bad authentication - Increase welcome string limit to 2048 for long welcome messages, though you should really be careful with such large sizes - Fixed typos (Karsten Weiss, me) - Documentation updates (Pablo Saratxaga) - Translation updates (Abel Cheung, Pablo Saratxaga, Alexander Shopov, Kjartan Maraas, Stanislav Visnovsky, Tőivo Leedjärv, Zbigniew Chyla, Christian Meyer, Karsten Weiss, Christian Rose, Duarte Loreto, Christophe Merlet, Ole Laursen, GNOME PL Team, P. Cholakov, T. Buyukliev) Note: Gdm2 was originally written by Martin K. Petersen , and is now maintained by the Queen of England. Although when she's not answering her email I usually cover for her. Note2: If installing from the tarball do note that make install overwrites most of the setup files, all except gdm.conf and gnomerc. It will however save backups with the .orig extension first. Note3: Distributors, packagers. Please, PLEASE use the standard Gnome script when setting things up as gnome, or at least equivalently working scripts. It should never be OK to just exec gnome-session, that is considered bad form. The script needs to read (if available) the ~/.gnomerc and otherwise read the /gdm/gnomerc file. This allows users and administrators to setup custom startup for gnome. Downloading: ============ ftp://ftp.5z.com/pub/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/sources/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/i386/gdm/ http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/SRPMS/gdm/ This should also be available at some point: http://download.gnome.org/GNOME/stable/redhat/alpha/gdm/ Have fun, George PS: I AM THE WALRUS!!! -- George Computers are useless. They can only give you answers. -- Pablo Picasso From mike@redtux.demon.co.uk Tue Mar 12 21:03:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (redtux.demon.co.uk [158.152.117.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E36718162 for ; Tue, 12 Mar 2002 21:03:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from mike by localhost.localdomain with local (Exim 3.33 #1 (Debian)) id 16ky7F-0001me-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? From: mike To: gnome In-Reply-To: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.1 Date: 13 Mar 2002 02:03:45 +0000 Message-Id: <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-10 at 08:55, kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn wrote: > When I compiled ORBit2-2.3.103, gcc reported can not find alignment, but when compiled ORBit-0.5,the alignment was found.why that happend? > thanks! missing glibconfig.h - are you using checkinstall I had this problem too From kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Wed Mar 13 02:24:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mmp2 (mmp2.fz.fj.cn [202.109.205.6]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC61B18202 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 02:24:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from asshole ([218.66.143.130]) by mmp2.fz.fj.cn (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built Sep 5 2001)) with ESMTPA id <0GSW00E64HVJ5I@mmp2.fz.fj.cn> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:23:45 +0800 (CST) Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 15:49:06 +0800 From: kevinmay@public.xm.fj.cn Subject: Re: compiled ORBit2? To: mike Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <000601c1ca63$8e56c9b0$828f42da@asshole> MIME-version: 1.0 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2462.0000 X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2462.0000 Content-type: text/plain; charset=gb2312 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal References: <00d801c1c811$4b653e10$488442da@asshole> <1015985025.6485.7.camel@localhost> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: thanks for your helping, my glib version is not correct that time. now i have installed glib-1.3.15 and added it to the LD_LIBRARY_PATH and run ldconfig, after that, configure successed, but when complied, gcc reported undefined to "g_string_spintf", what's wrong? thanks a lot! From jacob@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 11:50:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (209-6-26-174.c3-0.bkl-ubr1.sbo-bkl.ma.cable.rcn.com [209.6.26.174]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227671815F; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jacob@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DGoVh02508; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:50:31 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: jacob set sender to jacob@ximian.com using -f Subject: Re: ANNOUNCE: GDM 2.2.5.5, the "Bad, Bad Maintainer" release From: jacob berkman To: Rodney Dawes Cc: gnome-hackers , gnome-announce , gnome-list@gnome.org, gdm@SunSITE.dk In-Reply-To: <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> References: <20020312235505.GB20200@monique.linux.bogus> <1016035445.16676.2.camel@dreadnought.ximian.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:50:30 -0500 Message-Id: <1016038230.2217.3.camel@wet-pants> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 11:04, Rodney Dawes wrote: > #!@XML_I18N_TOOLS_PERL@ -w > > That doesn't look right... shouldn't these be the new scripts, ie, ones > that expand @INTLTOOL_*@? "Bad, Bad Maintainer" indeed. ;) actually it doesn't matter. jacob -- From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 13:05:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5215C1818C for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:05:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id NAA14856 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:04:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 310 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lD8a-0007AQ-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:06:08 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 12:51:13 up 17:46, 1 user, load average: 0.10, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've been playing around trying to do useful work in a Gnome environment for several years now. I'm presently building a debian "woody" machine as a replacement for a HP-IX box that has been my primary workstation for 8+ years. I ran Vue on it, and it has _NEVER_ crashed or lost my configs. Also all of it's configs are stored in ASCII files, so it's easy to clone/backup my user environment. I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care to remember. Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular basis? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 13:11:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35FC118BA1 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8936012A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:11:32 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. Next point, one word, backup? -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From glynn.foster@sun.com Wed Mar 13 13:19:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from patan.sun.com (patan.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF561894E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:19:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by patan.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA28857; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:19:21 -0700 (MST) Received: from cdelab6 (cdelab6 [129.156.226.206]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2DIJKx08976; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:19:20 GMT Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Glynn Foster To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 18:13:30 +0000 Message-Id: <1016043211.27639.381.camel@cdelab6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, It will if you start hacking on it and making it stable instead of whinging ;) See ya, Glynn :) From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 13:26:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F33319272 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:26:11 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DIPZb02350; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 10:25:35 -0800 Message-Id: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > basis? This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with good results. I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then unpack the tarball. Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. Sorry not to offer more specific help. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From arthur@linuxbox.nu Wed Mar 13 14:23:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 039A418594 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:23:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2DJGBZ06001; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:16:11 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:18:56 -0500 Message-Id: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no problems. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > > Unfortunately I don't know anything about the Debian Gnome packages, so > I don't know if what you describe is a common experience. (I'm not > saying this applies in your case, but) When I've helped friends > troubleshoot stability problems with various packages, a lot of times I > find out they're in the habit of doing forced installs. In those cases > the problems are often solved by going back and reinstalling, making > sure to actually meet any and all dependencies. > > Sorry not to offer more specific help. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From yves_kurz@web.de Wed Mar 13 14:31:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (smtp.datacomm.ch [212.40.5.52]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3154019061 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:31:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-252-117-glattbrugg2.tiscalinet.ch [212.254.252.117]) by flu-smtp-01.datacomm.ch (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2DJVX626928 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:31:33 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Yves Kurz To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 13 Mar 2002 20:31:32 +0100 Message-Id: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space left on this device and logout... thats all... yves From tklistaddr@keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu Wed Mar 13 14:38:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu (keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu [129.49.19.70]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB5218153 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from keittlab-6.keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu ([192.168.1.6] helo=keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu ident=tkeitt) by keittlab.bio.sunysb.edu with smtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lEZX-0000Tp-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Received: by keittlab-6.bio.sunysb.edu (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Timothy H. Keitt" To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 14:38:03 -0500 Message-Id: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. T. From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 14:56:10 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BCC41194F3 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:56:09 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 4831 invoked by uid 1013); 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 13 Mar 2002 19:56:01 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:01 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: "Timothy H. Keitt" Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a chance, they are working on it. -Josh ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 13 14:57:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (cs213-20.fsmodem.washington.edu [140.142.173.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3094C194F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:57:18 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DJuYd02690; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 13 Mar 2002 11:56:34 -0800 Message-Id: <1016049394.1789.59.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > . However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). I'm not really arguing your point, but - I don't fully trust ANY system to save my configs or data, not just Gnome. Also, I'm in the habit of manually tweaking the configuration files directly; I don't think it's necessarily reasonable to expect Gnome to always handle that gracefully. THAT'S why I back it up. :-) -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 16:02:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D004618CDC for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:02:35 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2DL2EB13948 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 14:02:14 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > to remember. > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em if they know about 'em. On the other hand, users who see the same problems coming up over and over again but can't be bothered to expend the minimal time it takes to file bug reports should not be surprised if the bugs are still there. Cheers, John From culthero@culthero.info Wed Mar 13 16:36:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net [24.234.0.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82A8518CF4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 16:36:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from darthvader.culthero.info (cm254.81.234.24.lvcm.com [24.234.81.254]) by 100m.mpr200-1.esr.lvcm.net (Mirapoint Messaging Server MOS 2.9.3.2) with ESMTP id ABN10476; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:36:14 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <5.1.0.14.2.20020313133504.00b23290@24.234.52.66> X-Sender: culthero%culthero.info@24.234.52.66 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 5.1 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 13:35:29 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cult Hero Subject: Re: sounds In-Reply-To: <1015749988.8204.3.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have this same problem. Slackware package install. Slackware manual source install. Gentoo portage install. Every single time I install Gnome I have this problem and I can NEVER get an answer. I've seen the question asked on multiple message boards but no one ever answers. This has got to be a fairly common problem. Does ANYONE know the answer!? At 03:46 AM 3/10/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I can't get any sound from gnome apps. Xmms [oss and esd] & sawfish play >sounds well, but gnome [gnome-games / gnomeicu / login / logout...] >doesn't work. I'm ximian-ed & up-to-date.. any idea? > >Jee Desjardins >P.S: Sorry if it has already been answered, I think I saw something >about it long ago but I can't find it anymore :I --- "There's no difference between me and everyone else. All it takes is one bad day to reduce the sanest man to lunacy. That's how far the world is from where I am. Just one bad day." - The Joker From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:28:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A4F318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:22 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57132 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:28:21 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 6 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIBm-0000uX-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:46 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > stan wrote: > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > >basis? > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > it doesn't happen. > > Next point, one word, backup? > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to begin restoring. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:29:58 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0DF518D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA57743 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:29:57 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 102 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIDL-0000v1-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:23 -0500 From: stan To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233123.GB3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047893.968.5.camel@duff> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 08:31:32PM +0100, Yves Kurz wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:11, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > It's easy, just fill up your home directory so that there is no space > left on this device and logout... thats all... > That's not what cause _any_ of the destructions I have seen. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:31:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E0DC18D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58196 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:31:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 182 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIEc-0000vL-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:41 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233241.GC3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 10:25:35AM -0800, Travis Saling wrote: > > I had finally gotten a decent working environment on the Debian machine, > > after a week or 2 of tweaking. Last night as I logged out, I got the dreaded > > Gnome pop up errors :-( Needless to say when I logged on this morning my > > environment was TOTALLY trashed, not panels all! > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > basis? > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > good results. > > I did have my environment get messed up once quite a while back, but > fortunately I had my home directory backed up and recovering the > previous .gnome directory was trivial. Since I tweak my system a lot, > I've found it useful to keep a gzipped tarball of my .gnome directory > around (I do that for most things I mess with). That way, if my setup > gets hosed, I just have to get out of gnome, rm -Rf .gnome, and then > unpack the tarball. > The fact that you feel obligated to do that speaks volumes for the stability of the Gnome evniroment. IMHO. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:32:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B5018D2B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA58670 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:32:42 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 267 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIG0-0000vn-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:08 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:34:07 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016047136.1936.3.camel@apollo> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm running > Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have no > problems. > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:36:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F9318A93 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA59973 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:36:36 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 184 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIJm-0000yK-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:38:02 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016043935.1360.35.camel@spiderman> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:38:03PM -0500, Timothy H. Keitt wrote: > On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 13:25, Travis Saling wrote: > > > Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > > in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > > basis? > > > > This has not been my experience at all. FYI I'm using Red Hat 7.2 with > > Ximian's Gnome currently, and have used the Red Hat packages before with > > good results. > > > > This _has_ been my experience, even recently, and its not a Debian > problem, nor is it a user problem, its a gnome problem. I ranted about > this on gnome-devel just a few days ago. (I probably shouldn't have > bashed gconf as I did, since I actually think its the solution here.) > This is a system maturity problem as I think gnome developers have been > focussing on bigger issues. However, currently gnome breaks the golden > rule: never loose users data! And configuration is data. I see you don't > fully trust gnome to save your config either as you are in the habit of > making a backup copy (I can't tell you how often having nightly backups > has saved my ass after my gnome settings got scrambled). That's pathetic > when you think about it. A reasonably designed system should _never_ > leave config files in an inconsistent state. The word I got was we'll > have to wait for gnome 2 before a reasonable fix is in place. > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the lead of out favorite software monoply. NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up every thime. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:37:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B6FE18577 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA60499 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:37:55 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 263 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIL3-0000yi-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:39:21 -0500 From: stan To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 11:56:01AM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > Please end this thread unless you have specific bug reports, these issues > are being address. Don't underestimate the complexity of supporting such > a chaotically heterogeneous userbase that is constantly tweaking their > configs into unknown states on umteen million different distributions of > different OS's. It is in no way a simple problem. Give these guys a > chance, they are working on it. > Look hte point I'm trying to make is that, unless we can get to the point where we _don't_ trash user's configs, then we are no bettor off that the peple using m$. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 18:41:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBA091878A for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id SAA61657 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:41:05 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 101 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIO2-00010q-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:42:26 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 18:24:27 up 23:19, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.07, 0.08 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > to remember. > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > if they know about 'em. The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug report. My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater entirly. But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually get work done. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From esoteric@3times25.net Wed Mar 13 19:09:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 3times25.net (39-154.clients.speedfactory.net [65.82.39.154]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E00B18482 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:09:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from 3times25.net (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by 3times25.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C85F12A36 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C8FEA11.7060501@3times25.net> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:08:49 -0500 From: Geoffrey User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.8) Gecko/20020204 X-Accept-Language: en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > >>stan wrote: >> >> >>>Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work >>>in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular >>>basis? >>> >>Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. >> I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development >>environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying >>it doesn't happen. >> >>Next point, one word, backup? >> >> > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. Pretty simple, backup the whole ,gnome dir, and drop it back in place. > > > -- Until later: Geoffrey esoteric@3times25.net I didn't have to buy my radio from a specific company to listen to FM, why doesn't that apply to the Internet (anymore...)? From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 19:18:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AC3C193AD for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA74918; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:18:32 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 169 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lIyL-0001IK-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:19:57 -0500 From: stan To: Josh Steiner Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Josh Steiner , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233921.GF3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:14:45 up 1 day, 9 min, 2 users, load average: 0.71, 0.54, 0.28 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > OK, 2 things here. 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still store config data in (yuck) binary files? 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any progress has been made in this area in several years. Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar with these stnadrds till it meets them. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 19:31:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F96193F4 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:31:35 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=awesomeplay.com) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with smtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lJ5h-0006dq-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 Received: from 207.75.135.11 (SquirrelMail authenticated user elanthis) by mail.awesomeplay.com with HTTP; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 19:27:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Sean Middleditch" To: In-Reply-To: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> X-Priority: 3 Importance: Normal X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Cc: X-Mailer: SquirrelMail (version 1.2.4) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have >> no problems. >> > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right now? ~,^ > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From joschi@eds.org Wed Mar 13 20:22:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zen.eds.org (136-122-moore.scitx.com [128.242.122.136]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id D5D0B18556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 10329 invoked by uid 1013); 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:22:02 -0000 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 17:22:02 -0800 (PST) From: Josh Steiner To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020314001957.GA4897@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 13 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 03:57:31PM -0800, Josh Steiner wrote: > > please stop spamming the list, this _is_ being worked on. gconf will not > > suffer the same issues as the old .gnome config stuff did. > > > OK, 2 things here. > > 1. I have no idea what you are talking about, gconf? Could you enlighten me? > What is it? Is it for Gnome 1.4 or is this a 2.0 thing? Does it still > store config data in (yuck) binary files? here is an older paper describing it: http://developer.gnome.org/feature/archive/gconf/gconf.html it has multiple storage backends, including the possiblity for having all your preferences saved on a server, which i really look forward to. > 2. The point i am trying to make, is that from my prespective, I'm seing > the _same_ instabilty that made me give up trying to use Gnome for > real work 3 to 4 years agao. So for me it does not appear that any > progress has been made in this area in several years. > > Comercial UNIX software has always been held to a _very_ high standard > for reliabilyt. Failing to meet these standards gas assured the failure > of a product. Not, mind you, that meeting them has assured the success > of a product. But Gbnome will not be acepted by the people who are familiar > with these stnadrds till it meets them. I beleive Gconf was really introduced around 1.4, but most applications still use the old .gnome/* configuration system, Gnome 2.0 has ported most of the applications to the new system which will be muich more maintanable from both the application developer perspective (so you will see less loss of setting with software updates in the future) and from the sysadmin perspective (you wont need to figure out each systems individul config file quirks). This issue is being addressed. ________________________________________________________________ Josh .. Yoshi .. Joschi .. xiphoidprocess.com .. eds.org/~joschi From jfleck@swcp.com Wed Mar 13 20:26:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from swcp.com (unknown [216.184.14.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88E3318556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:26:40 -0500 (EST) Received: (from jfleck@localhost) by swcp.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2E1Qwf07620 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 18:26:58 -0700 From: John Fleck To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? Best regards, John From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 20:28:00 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9F1218556 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id UAA05118; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:27:49 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 203 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lK3O-0001p8-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:29:14 -0500 From: stan To: Sean Middleditch Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 20:25:03 up 1 day, 1:20, 1 user, load average: 0.44, 0.30, 0.22 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for mine, self destrucing. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. 3. Edit original. 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From iain@ximian.com Wed Mar 13 20:32:22 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peabody.ximian.com (peabody.ximian.com [141.154.95.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5472018D9B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 20:32:22 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 8912 invoked from network); 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Received: from peabody.ximian.com (HELO localhost.localdomain) (141.154.95.10) by peabody.ximian.com with SMTP; 14 Mar 2002 01:32:19 -0000 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: iain To: stan Cc: Sean Middleditch , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Organization: Ximian, Inc X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.1.0.99 (Preview Release) Date: 14 Mar 2002 02:33:19 +0000 Message-Id: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. No it's not. To create the copy, you need twice the space. iain -- "Everybody thinks of changing humanity and nobody thinks of changing himself" - Leo Tolstoy. From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Wed Mar 13 21:51:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 421F31956B for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:51:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16lLHc-0006qV-00 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:48:00 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Sean Middleditch To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 12 Mar 2002 21:51:18 -0500 Message-Id: <1015987879.4552.6.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 20:29, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 07:27:33PM -0500, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Well, considering I have over 30G free on that partition, I'd say that's not the cause for > mine, self destrucing. Ah, OK then. "My bad." > > > > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > > now? ~,^ > > > > Well, sonce that's not the problem here, this is not a sollution, for me. > However, the general case solutin to the question you pose, goes like this. > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > 3. Edit original. > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. Um, that's rather convoluted, and error-prone. The solution I mentioned is the exact same one used, for example, when modifying the /etc/passwd file with vipasswd (or any other such program). It ensures that (at least) no errors occur during the writing of the new passwd file, and that there is always a valid copy (either the old or the new) in place at /etc/passwd, at all times (since the rename is atomic). Of course, as you said, that won't fix whatever causes your GNOME config file mishaps, but it might help those with disk-space errors (especially when .gnome-errors decides to fill up your disk space because some core GNOME component goes crazy ;-) Sean Etc. > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From stuart@bmsi.com Wed Mar 13 22:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B307A19586 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from bmsaix.bmsi.com (bmsaix [219.109.11.9]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34FkY016872 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:15 -0500 Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (IDENT:root@gathman.bmsi.com [219.109.11.136]) by bmsaix.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2E34Chw026544 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:04:13 -0500 Received: from bmsi.com (IDENT:stuart@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gathman.bmsi.com (8.11.6/linuxconf) with ESMTP id g2E2wPc01342 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 Message-ID: <3C9011D0.F1579ED0@bmsi.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:58:25 -0500 From: "Stuart D. Gathman" Organization: Business Management Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-21 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome mysteries Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have RedHat 7.2 with Ximian Gnome on several machines from laptop to desktop. 1) On most machines, the GDM login screen blanks the screen after a time out. This is a great feature, and works for remote X terminals and LTSP as well as local video. However, my home machine, running same versions of RPMS, does not blank screen at GDM login. Screen blank does work on text consoles, and for logged in GUI users. It also works for a connected X Terminal (running on 486!). Why does this not work for this one machine? It has Intel Pentium 200, 80M RAM, 15G disk, ATI Mach32 video. 2) I use the Gnome weather applet. On most machines, it works great. On my home machine, it displays the sun symbol, but not the temperature. The configuration is the same in all cases. It gets wierder. On the *same* home machine, it works for everyone elses login. It only doesn't work for my login. I have compared the config files, and they are all identical. Curiously, if I look at my config file, the temperature is there - properly fetched from the web site. It is just not displayed! 3) I use the RedHat PPP applet. It worked fine in RH6.2. In RH7.2, it still works mostly fine, except that after connecting the applet still shows the interface as not connected. If I right click and edit properties, and change the interface selection to another interface then back to the same interface, the display will right itself. This seems like a straitforward bug. 4) Occasionally, for no reason that I can determine (there is plenty of disk space), some part of my Gnome setup is gone when I log in. There were no errors displayed when logging out previously, and no errors in /var/log/messages. For instance, sometimes GMC is gone, and I have to add it back to the session properties. When I logged in this evening, Gnome Panel was gone. I right clicked on the desktop to get a terminal and ran "panel" from the shell, and it came up and added itself back to the session properties. Sometimes, applets disappear from the Panel. For instance, the weather applet disappeared this morning, and the task list and/or desk guide often disappear. It is easy, but a nuisance to add them back. -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From mike@mjv.com Wed Mar 13 22:08:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from IMGate.wtsonline.net (imgate.wtsonline.net [63.64.122.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 741A41957E for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 22:08:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from comanchetx.com (mail.comanchetx.com [63.64.122.61]) by IMGate.wtsonline.net (Postfix Relay Hub) with ESMTP id EC92B5D1DF for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:08:55 -0600 (CST) Received: from mjv.com [65.201.66.47] by comanchetx.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-6.06) id A37DB7250254; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:05:33 -0600 Message-ID: <3C901C14.7070803@mjv.com> Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 21:42:12 -0600 From: Mike Vanecek User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i586; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020313182658.A771@inkstain.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Agreed. I've been using Gnome for over three years as my standard desk-top both at my computer business and at home. Never have I had it totally crater on me - and I beat up on it pretty hard with alpha level software, my own pre-pre-way-pre-alpha software and dozens of windows. Albiet, much of the stability can be atributed to Linux, the user interface has been very tolerant of my explorations and abuse. I've set up some of my clients with Gnome on Linux - totally computer illiterate clients - and they're still plugging along, making their mistakes and learning and Gnome still keeps ticking. The only thing I back up are my project files and database dumps - but that's more for catastrophic changes like system upgrades or hardware failure - the usual reasons to back up. Like anything else - on any pretty good product, you'll always have problem cases. From the Ferrari to FreeBSD, you'll have a few out there that are beset with difficulties. But a chronic problem unique to an individual needs to be adressed. As far as this one person's seemingly chronic problems, a little reflection on circumstances may help. What's been consistently the same on each issue? Hint - same person. Evaluate how you configure your systems, run over and verify what you believe to be true and compare it to what actually is true. Since the problem seems to be happening on more than one platform over different versions of Gnome, and that this doesn't seem to be a chronic Gnome problem to everyone, evaluate what remains the same. Not a personal bash - I've had identical problems in several different systems and discovered that I was at fault (wanted badly to blame it on Microsoft). It happens. Explore the community as a whole - run the archives - if you don't see your problem cropping up as a chronic problem, then move on in your research to find the culprit. Don't sit around bashing Gnome and automatically assuming it's at fault. Only the people with solutions to provide have that right anyway... Also examine seemingly unrelated settings - examine your CMOS and system settings and potential hardware problems or even dirty electricity, etc... It's a puzzle - take the challenge and run with it. Gnome isn't perfect. If you still suspect it being a problem with Gnome, rather than ranting -dig in and locate that problem or partner up with a developer with the skills to do so. Make a negative a positive. Gnome is what you make of it - no more and no less. I for one am extremely thankful for the hard work and late nights/early mornings that developers have expended to make Gnome what it is today. Millions of dollars in man-hours just given away. It's inspired me to learn gui programming. And, it's earned my trust in depending on it for my business and personal computing. Cheers, Mike John Fleck wrote: >On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > >>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: >> >>>On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: >>> >>>>I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care >>>>to remember. >>>> >>>You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, >>>and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's >>>certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users >>>serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their >>>problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience >>>in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em >>>if they know about 'em. >>> >>The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide >>a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug >>report. >> > >Then what was the point of your original missive? "My system broke" >pretty much sums up its content. If your intention was to report a >problem so that it could be fixed, then you've failed. > >This is *not* a problem that commonly occurs. If it was a common >problem, it would have been fixed. The fact that it's an unusual >problem means the only way it'll get fixed is if you or someone else >who sees it is methodical about helping track it down. > >You make it sound as though the hackers know this regularly happens >and they're blissfully ignoring it. That's frankly offensive. Are they >supposed to be mind readers? Or are you supposed to report it? > >Best regards, > >John >_______________________________________________ >gnome-list mailing list >gnome-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > From stanb@awod.com Wed Mar 13 23:05:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9656181C9 for ; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id XAA60846; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:05:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 170 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16lMVv-0002rJ-00; Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 Date: Wed, 13 Mar 2002 23:06:51 -0500 From: stan To: iain Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314040651.GA10890@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: iain , Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> <20020314012914.GA6790@teddy.fas.com> <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1016073200.32320.2.camel@discomachinegun.prettypeople.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 23:04:24 up 1 day, 3:59, 1 user, load average: 0.36, 0.21, 0.13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 14, 2002 at 02:33:19AM +0000, iain wrote: > > > 1. Create backup copy of config to be changed. > > 2. Verify that you have an _exact_ copy. > > 3. Edit original. > > 4. If _any_ problem occurs, renmae copy to orignal name. > > Note that this is a _rename_ which will not require _any_ additional space, > > since you will only be modifying directory structure entires. > > No it's not. > To create the copy, you need twice the space. Mmm, you've got the swquncee wrong. Step 1 is where you create the copy, and where you need the space. After taht no more space is needed, except perhaps when you do something that _adds_ to the new copy. But once you have the copy made, you can always back out to it. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 14 06:01:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B16618510 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 06:01:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16lT0C-00063a-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 11:02:32 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020314110232.D20351@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <3C8F9654.40708@3times25.net> <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020313232946.GA3379@teddy.fas.com>; from stanb@awod.com on Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:29:46PM -0500 or thereabouts, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:11:32PM -0500, Geoffrey wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > > >Will Gnome _EVER_ become a stable environment to try to do productive work > > >in, That is one that I don't have to spend hours rebuilding on a regular > > >basis? > > > > Two points on this issue. I've been using Gnome for a couple of years. > > I work from home and my Linux box is my primary development > > environment. I've never had it trash my whole config. I'm not saying > > it doesn't happen. > > > > Next point, one word, backup? > > Got that. However, given teh coplexity of Gnomes . files, I would not have a clue where to > begin restoring. I'll preface this by saying that whilst I have done amazing things to my Gnome setup, I've never actually trashed the entire thing. Despite this, I do keep test accounts, where I -- well. Test stuff :) Before doing it for real. On the .gnome files, here's a rough guide. This account was created on RH 5.2 (and Gnome 1.0, which was far more unstable than Gnome is these days, despite having far less in it), and successively migrated through the subsequent betas and releases to RH 7.2, so not everything here may actually get created by default in RH 7.2. Things change :) In .gnome/ almost everything is an ascii text file. "file * | grep -v text" shows you the rest. The one big exception is metadata.db which is apparently "Berkeley DB 1.85 (Hash, version 2, native byte-order)" for me. I have a lot of gnome-terminal-random-letter files for no apparent reason: the only difference appears to be the geometry and the dates on them look like the last few times I restarted X. I believe they're just session-manager stuff. My defaults and tclasses (a gnome-terminal thing) are actually in the .gnome/Terminal file. All the text files have a roughly similar format: geometry, font, editor, needs_term (true or false) and so on. panel.d/ or panel.d/default contains your launchers and stuff from the panel. If I want to start over completely from scratch, I'd move or remove the entire directory. I'd also go on a blitz through /tmp removing all the /tmp/.ICE-unix/ /tmp/.esd/ and ./.swafish-username/ stuff I had permissions to remove. These are mostly sockets. I don't think it hurts to remove these :) I'd do it when not in GNOME though, just in case. I have lost the original mail. Was it GNOME as a whole hanging? Specific apps crashing? I am curious whether the same thing happens in X or KDE (in which case I'd blame X). You can get X error messages from /var/log/XFree86.[display].log (and hmm, I seem to have a lot about GetModeLine in there: should I worry?) When you mention you're spending hours rebuilding Gnome, is this building as in compiling, or as in setting up default settings, or what? Telsa From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Thu Mar 14 10:02:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13305.mail.yahoo.com (web13305.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 06F291856F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:02:31 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020314150229.36241.qmail@web13305.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13305.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 GMT Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:02:29 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: queries regarding gnome-canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am using gnome canvas in my program. - how to define a "clipping area" ( i want only a selected circular area to be visible )in it. ? - how to change the "text", once the gnome_canvas_item TEXT has been created in the canvas ( that is i want to update the text of the "text item")? - how to add a widget to the canvas ? thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Thu Mar 14 10:24:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A739F18613 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:24:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2EFGPZ00985; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 10:16:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> References: <20020313233407.GD3379@teddy.fas.com> <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 14 Mar 2002 10:19:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" in the way you are describing. Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a bigger hard drive. On Wed, 2002-03-13 at 19:27, Sean Middleditch wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:18:56PM -0500, Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: > >> I have absolutely no issues with the Woody GNOME packages. I'm > >> running Evolution, Galeon, with the standard gnome packages and I have > >> no problems. > >> > > > > So your Gnome environemt has never self destructed on you? > > I know mine (Debian Woody, latest GNOME 1.4 packages) has never "self > destructed." From what people are saying, it only happens when your > partition is full? That might explain why mine hasn't ever - last runaway > process I had only managed to fillup half the disk (rather big disk) before > I noticed, killed it off, and deleted the file it filled up. > > Assuming that the problem is only the disk filling up, what solution could > there be? There is no way to save settings if there is no disk space, end > of story. Perhaps there should be more safe guards against deleting > settings if new data can't be stored? I.e., write the new, temporary > settings file, then "rename" it to the real config file's name? > > Or do I have no idea what I'm talking about in regards to settings right > now? ~,^ > > > > > -- > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 15:38:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com [161.114.1.208]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FE2F18113 for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 15:38:20 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by ztxmail04.ztx.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118013822; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 14:38:19 -0600 (CST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C9CECB1; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id MAA28129; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:18 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2EKcHv484962; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 12:38:17 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: Sean Middleditch Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1051.207.75.135.11.1016065653.squirrel@mail.awesomeplay.com> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until I freed space (as root). Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database that gets lost. The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll generally have lots of obscure usage. - Jim -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From jg@pa.dec.com Thu Mar 14 16:13:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (zcamail04.zca.compaq.com [161.114.32.104]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D26101967F for ; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 16:13:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net [16.47.132.152]) by zcamail04.zca.compaq.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6468A25; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:16:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from src-mail.pa.dec.com (src-mail.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.35]) by mailrelay01.cac.cpqcorp.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 776A6E52; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Received: by src-mail.pa.dec.com; id NAA11452; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Received: (from pachydrm@localhost) by pachyderm.pa.dec.com (8.11.1/8.11.1) id g2ELD49492385; Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Date: Thu, 14 Mar 2002 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Message-Id: <200203142113.g2ELD49492385@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: "Arthur H. Johnson II" Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016119164.2141.5.camel@apollo> Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The fact that Gnome can leave your machine in a unusable state (to the point of being unable to log in) when it runs out of disk space, without once warning you it is dying, is *not* a feature. What I would hope is when key data needs to be written, the return code from write would be checked, the user warned if it is out of space, and a retry possible. Right now, you can lose entirely this way (as I did week before last). - Jim > To: Sean Middleditch > Cc: stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > ----- > No, GNOME has never self destructed on me. Even in the "October GNOME" > days, which was over a year ago, I have never had GNOME "self-destruct" > in the way you are describing. > > Here is my thought: If you disk filled up, how are you supposed to > assume an application would be able to save its data? I don't really > think this is GNOME's problem, but rather the fact that you need a > bigger hard drive. > -- Jim Gettys Cambridge Research Laboratory Compaq Computer Corporation jg@pa.dec.com From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 09:10:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 49C85181EC for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:10:49 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315141048.8227.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 14:10:48 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas!! To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 15 10:02:08 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0835718245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 10:02:08 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2FEsBZ24565; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" To: Jim Gettys Cc: Sean Middleditch , stanb@awod.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> References: <200203142038.g2EKcHv484962@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 15 Mar 2002 09:57:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1016204232.2947.0.camel@apollo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I really dont know how to respond to this. I never have problems like this with GNOME, of course I dont let my hard drive fillup either. On Thu, 2002-03-14 at 15:38, Jim Gettys wrote: > Yes, gnome breaks ***very badly*** if you fill your partition. > > I had this happen to me a couple weeks ago, and my configuration was > completely trashed. What is more, I could not even log in until > I freed space (as root). > > Evolution also loses its cookies badly if it runs out of space. > This is even more criminal, as it is often your personal database > that gets lost. > > The other very obscure bad breakage Gnome exhibits is if you > happen to need to change a user's uid. Unless you run a find > over the whole system and change the UID everywhere, you'll > generally have lots of obscure usage. > - Jim > > -- > Jim Gettys > Cambridge Research Laboratory > Compaq Computer Corporation > jg@pa.dec.com > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 From vivek_iitg@yahoo.com Fri Mar 15 11:43:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web13301.mail.yahoo.com (web13301.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.175.37]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AF48E18245 for ; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 11:43:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020315164337.46993.qmail@web13301.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [202.141.80.20] by web13301.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 GMT Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 16:43:37 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Vivek=20Singhal?= Subject: problem with item_rotate in gnome_canvas. To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: hi ! i am facing some problem with gnome_canvas_item_rotate() . when i compile the program, it says , " undefined reference to function gnome_canvas_item_rotate()"... the same thing happens with gnome_canvas_item_scale(), BUT "gnome_canvas_item_affine_relative/absolute()" run fine .. no problem with these... the operating system on my PC is DEBIAN. thankx vivek __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com From pclouds@fptnet.com Sat Mar 16 21:28:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (dns2.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.36]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6BE518FB4 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 21:27:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn (isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.131]) by dns2.hcm.fpt.vn (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2H2WZq28206 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:32:35 +0700 Received: from hcm.fpt.vn ([203.162.45.132]) by isp-mailsrv.hcm.fpt.vn with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2650.21) id G35KPQN8; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:36:40 +0700 Received: from [203.162.59.211] by hcm.fpt.vn [203.162.45.132] Received: (from pclouds@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.2/8.11.2) id g2G3MHB05085 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:17 -0500 Date: Fri, 15 Mar 2002 22:22:16 -0500 From: pclouds To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: get packages from cvs through firewall Message-ID: <20020315222216.A5074@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Hello I have written two scripts which allow to checkout or rdiff from CVS by web. I can't access CVS because of firewall. Hope it useful for people like me. cvs.cgi is the cgi script. You put it on web server. The result of this script will be translated by translate_cvs.pl. The scripts are simple. They don't support password and other commands of cvs. --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="cvs.cgi" #!/usr/bin/perl use CGI ':standard'; use Socket; sub die_html { print "ERROR: @_\nERROR: $!\n"; exit 0; } if (param('start') ne "start") { $ENV{'SCRIPT_NAME'}=~ s#^/?#/#; print <CVS Query Valid commands are: checkout, rdiff, rtag.

An additional command is "gzip <level>" which is like the param "-z <level>".

CVS Host:
Repositry dir:
User:
Command:
EOF exit 0; } print "Content-types: plain/text\n\n"; $root = param('root'); $host = param('host'); $user = param('user'); $port = 2401; $command = param('command'); $command =~ s/\r/\n/sg; $command .= "\n"; print "Host=$host\nRoot=$root\nUser=$user\n\n"; $| = 1; $buf = ""; $output = \*STDOUT; %valid_cmd = (co => "ok", rdiff => "ok", rtag => "ok", gzip => "ok", output => "ok"); $password = "A"; $iaddr = inet_aton($host) || die_html "No host"; $cmd_authen="BEGIN AUTH REQUEST\n$root\n$user\n$password\nEND AUTH REQUEST\n"; $cmd_init = "Root $root\n"; socket(SOCK, PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, getprotobyname('tcp')) || die_html("Create socket failed") ; connect(SOCK, sockaddr_in($port,$iaddr)) || die_html("Connect failed") ; select((select(SOCK), $|=1)[0]) ; # unbuffer the socket $sock = \*SOCK; print $sock $cmd_authen; $line = read_line(); die_html "Authentication failed" if ($line ne "I LOVE YOU"); print $sock $cmd_init; print "START\n"; while (1) { do { if ($command =~ /^([^\n]+)\n/) { $cmdline = $1; } else { print "QUIT\n"; exit 0; } print "CMD $cmdline\n"; $command =~ s/^[^\n]*\n+//s; @param = split (/ +/,$cmdline); $cmd = shift @param; } while ($valid_cmd{$cmd} ne "ok"); $cmd="co" if ($cmd eq "checkout"); if ($cmd eq "gzip") { print $sock "gzip-file-contents $param[0]\n"; next; } if ($cmd eq "output") { $cmdline =~ /^output (.*)/; open HANDLE, $1; $output = \*HANDLE if defined (HANDLE); next; } foreach $str (@param) { print $sock "Argument $str\n"; } print $sock "$cmd\n"; do { $line = read_line(); print $output $line."\n"; if ($line =~ /^M (.*)$/) { print "MSG $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^E (.*)$/) { print "ERR $1\n"; } elsif ($line =~ /^Updated (.*)$/) { $path = read_line(); $entry = read_line(); $mode = read_line(); print "UPDATE <$1> <$path> <$entry> <$mode>\n"; &get_file; } else { print "WOW <$line>\n"; } } while ($line ne "ok" and $line !~ /^error/); } sub read_line { local ($len, $buffer); while ($buf !~ /^[^\n]*\n/) { $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,1024; $buf = $buf . $buffer; } $buf =~ /^([^\n]*)\n/; $buffer = $1; $buf =~ s/[^\n]*\n//; return $buffer; } sub get_file { local ($size, $len, $realsize); $size = read_line(); $size = $1 if ($size =~ /^z(.*)/); print "GET $size\n"; if (length($buf)) { $realsize = $size < length($buf) ? $size : length($buf); $buf =~ /^(.{$realsize})/s; print "$1"; $buf =~ s/^.{$realsize}//s; $size -= $realsize; } while ($size > 0) { $realsize = $size < 1024 ? $size : 1024; $len = sysread $sock,$buffer,$realsize; print "$buffer"; #print RAW $buffer; $size -= $len; } print "GET DONE\n"; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu Content-Type: application/x-perl Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="translate_cvs.pl" #!/usr/bin/perl sub extract_file { $path = ""; foreach $i (split(/\//,$_[0])) { $path .= "$i/"; mkdir $path; } $entry = $_[2]; $entry =~ m,/([^/]+)/,; $path .= $1; open HANDLE,"> $path" || die "Can not create $path.\n"; $_ = <>; die "Bad file\n" unless /GET (\d+)/; $size = $1; read STDIN,$buffer,$size; $end = <>; die "Read error\n" unless defined($buffer) && length($buffer) == $size && $end eq "GET DONE\n"; print HANDLE $buffer; close HANDLE; if ($gzip) { print "Unzipping... "; system "mv $path $path.gz"; if (system "gunzip $path.gz") { print "Failed\n"; system "mv $path.gz $path"; } else { print "Done\n"; } } print "Create $path ($size bytes)\n"; } $gzip = 0; while (<>) { # print ">> $_"; chomp; exit 0 if $_ eq "QUIT"; $gzip = $1 if /^CMD gzip (\d)/; extract_file($1,$2,$3,$4) if /^UPDATE <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)> <(.*)>/; print "$1\n" if /^MSG (.*)/; print STDERR "$1\n" if /^ERR (.*)/; } --sdtB3X0nJg68CQEu-- From patrick.m.lane@csun.edu Sat Mar 16 23:02:18 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (mta5.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33FC3180F2 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:02:18 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([63.204.176.122]) by mta5.snfc21.pbi.net (iPlanet Messaging Server 5.1 (built May 7 2001)) with ESMTP id <0GT300EU2N7S0P@mta5.snfc21.pbi.net> for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:17 -0800 (PST) Date: Sat, 16 Mar 2002 20:02:18 -0800 From: Patrick Lane Subject: Fonts in gnome-terminal To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the only one that looks right. --Patrick From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sat Mar 16 23:24:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38ACE18136 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:24:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mS9u-0005tj-00 for ; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 23:20:38 -0500 Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 23:23:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016339002.20162.32.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-16 at 23:02, Patrick Lane wrote: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. Most fonts aren't uni-spaced. Normal text looks a little "funny" when all the letters/symbols are the same width (a lower-case l shouldn't be as wide as a capital M). Obviously, on a terminal, you want them to all be a uniform width. The Terminal fonts are uni-width fonts. Most of the rest aren't. > > --Patrick > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 00:32:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F2DC184F2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:51 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H5WGZ11716; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Lane Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-terminal References: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 00:32:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1016337738.1080.0.camel@whooDiddly> Message-ID: Lines: 16 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Lane writes: > Why is it that most of the fonts you are given to choose from in > gnome-terminal come out looking funky as all hell (weird spacing > mostly)? Is there anything I can do? Terminal seems to be just about the > only one that looks right. > You can only use monospace (fixed-width) fonts. If you go to the "filter" tab you can set a filter to display only those I think. GNOME 2 gnome-terminal will do this, only allow you to choose fonts that will work. Havoc From stanb@awod.com Sun Mar 17 01:05:42 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E77518316 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id BAA39764 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:05:41 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 39 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16mToz-00051r-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:07:09 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 01:02:18 up 13:07, 1 user, load average: 0.79, 0.37, 0.55 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > to remember. > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > if they know about 'em. > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > report. > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > entirly. > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > get work done. > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels were gone :-( Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug report on this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From trav@u.washington.edu Sun Mar 17 01:11:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-1-51.oz.net [216.39.134.51]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7002B188C2 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 01:11:24 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2H6B4904307; Sat, 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Fonts in gnome-2 From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 16 Mar 2002 22:11:04 -0800 Message-Id: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom font. What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my existing TrueType fonts to the mix? -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From hongli@telekabel.nl Sun Mar 17 03:23:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep14-int.chello.nl (amsfep14-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.21]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 118DE180D9 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 03:23:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from telekabel.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep14-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020317082321.UMQE24661.amsfep14-int.chello.nl@telekabel.nl>; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:23:21 +0100 Message-ID: <3C9452C5.4040107@telekabel.nl> Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 09:24:37 +0100 From: Hongli Lai User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Win 9x 4.90; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020311 X-Accept-Language: nl, nl-be, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Travis Saling Cc: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Fonts in gnome-2 References: <1016345464.4241.8.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Travis Saling wrote: > I was playing around a bit with Gnome 2 (via VBS), and it didn't take > more than a few seconds to decide that the default font really ... um, > how can I put this nicely ... lacked much to recommend it. So, I went to > the Applications / Preferences / Fonts selector, and chose a custom > font. > > What I don't understand is why most of the fonts I have installed do not > show up in the "Pick a Font" list. Obviously this isn't grabbing the > font list from X. My question, then, is two fold. Where does Gnome 2 > keep its list of fonts? And, what do I need to do to add some of my > existing TrueType fonts to the mix? > If you turn anti-aliasing off, you can use all the fonts X provides you. But when you turn anti-aliasing on (use Xft), somehow you get a whole different list of font names! (such as Arial suddenly replaced by Nimbus Sans L???) This is confusing, could somebody explain this? From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 17 11:29:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B19C3180E3 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2HGToC20206; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 17 Mar 2002 11:29:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: Lines: 26 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: stan writes: > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. Havoc From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Sun Mar 17 22:04:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 711FE188F5 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:04:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16mnRc-0001kX-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D624518162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:04 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16mncM-00089w-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:15:26 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 22:18:04 -0500 Message-Id: <1016421484.26959.4.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sounds like your PAM setup may be incorrect; in /etc/pam.d/gdm is the PAM setup for GDM (this is assuming Slackware uses PAM... I haven't used Slackware in some time). Specifically, check the auth lines. They should be similar to (or exactly like) the auth lines in, for example, /etc/pam.d/login. If you have an exotic authentication system (LDAP, NIS, etc.) you have to be a bit more careful, just as a warning. On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From omega@temple-baptist.com Sun Mar 17 22:19:57 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03AD718162 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 22:19:57 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2I3Kln29994; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:20:48 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Christian Seberino In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 19:19:54 -0800 Message-Id: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by .xsession-errors, nothing more. Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same packages do *not* do this. It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From elanthis@awesomeplay.com Sun Mar 17 23:06:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from moonweaver.awesomeplay.com (bgp01131302bgs.ypeast01.mi.comcast.net [68.42.113.78]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C95A182CD for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:06:19 -0500 (EST) Received: from stargrazer.home.awesomeplay.com ([192.168.1.5] helo=localhost.localdomain) by moonweaver.awesomeplay.com with esmtp (Exim 3.35 #1 (Debian)) id 16moM5-0008Dy-00 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:02:41 -0500 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Sean Middleditch To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> <1016421597.1367.16.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 17 Mar 2002 23:05:19 -0500 Message-Id: <1016424319.26959.7.camel@stargrazer> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have that problem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same computers, with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 22:19, Erik Walthinsen wrote: > On Sun, 2002-03-17 at 19:04, Christian Seberino wrote: > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Heh, I thought I was the only one. Or rather, my parents. Their > machine sporadically fails on the first login. I even had it happen to > me on their machine for the first time just an hour ago. IIRC it never > shows the splash screen, it just goes black and flashes back to GDM. > It's very inconsistent though. The best debugging data I can get is > some anonymous program failing to connect to :0.0 as reported by > .xsession-errors, nothing more. > > Their machine is a stock RedHat 7.2 with latest&greatest Ximian (freshly > updated as of an hour ago). All my other machines with the exact same > packages do *not* do this. > > It's their only gripe about the machine atm, afaik, so I'd love to know > if someone has a clue as to why it's happening, so I can fix it. > > Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator > __ > / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! > | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** > _\ /_ > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From Remi@Cohen-Scali.com Sun Mar 17 23:08:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rcsnet.net (APuteaux-102-2-1-4.abo.wanadoo.fr [193.251.91.4]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C41B18890 for ; Sun, 17 Mar 2002 23:08:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from Cohen-Scali.com (dns.rcsnet.net [192.168.1.50]) by rcsnet.net (8.12.2/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2I3vJ6D004518 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:19 +0100 Message-ID: <3C95659D.4070404@Cohen-Scali.com> Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 04:57:17 +0100 From: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?R=E9mi_Cohen-Scali?= Organization: Sun Microsystems User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:0.9.9) Gecko/20020314 X-Accept-Language: en, fr, en-us MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailling List Subject: Gnome 1.4.1rc1 build for Sparc Solaris2.8 Content-Type: multipart/signed; protocol="application/x-pkcs7-signature"; micalg=sha1; boundary="------------ms030402020600060102090507" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a cryptographically signed message in MIME format. --------------ms030402020600060102090507 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hye For whom is interrested I just build a (almost) full gnome & gnome-fifth installation (including nautilus, galeon, evolution and many more and even mozilla) for Solaris2.8 sparc, and made it available as rpm packages. 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Message-ID: <20020318002729.A7478@spawar.navy.mil> References: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020317190420.A6726@spawar.navy.mil>; from seberino@spawar.navy.mil on Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 07:04:20PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I did "ps aux" and noticed mutiple gdm processes where running IMMEDIATELY AFTER REBOOTING (and logging in remotely with ssh). Why did 2 gdm's appear after rebooting??? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From jverel@optonline.net Mon Mar 18 09:55:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from relay1.softcomca.com (unknown [168.144.1.67]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92D9318CB4 for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:53 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2w078 ([168.144.108.78]) by relay1.softcomca.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.4905); Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 159.10.4.104 X-URL: http://www.mail2web.com/ Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: "jverel@optonline.net" Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 09:55:54 -0500 To: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Reply-To: jverel@optonline.net X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Mailer: JMail 3.7.0 by Dimac (www.dimac.net) Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 18 Mar 2002 14:55:54.0567 (UTC) FILETIME=[01017D70:01C1CE8D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice = login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default deskto= p configuration when you go back in. John Original Message: ----------------- From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my first attempt and then lets me thru on second. Any ideas? Chris P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm would not let ANYONE log in before I put /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that is relevant. -- =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D _______________________________________________ gnome-list mailing list gnome-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 18 16:02:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433F6187FA for ; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 16:02:19 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW2L>; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:58 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 13:02:57 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sounds like you have a bug in one applet. - what applets do you have on your panel - what version of gnome-core and gnome-applets - does ~/.xsession-errors contain any output - if you use session-properties to remove the panel from the session manually, perhaps you can get the panel to crash without having to log out, in order to read the dialog. ----------------->>>> Hay Havoc On one of my old systems (486-50 updated with a AMD 586-100 and 64MB RAM) and some funky video card... HP Ultra VGA) has some similar problems. Here is the specifics: I can only use the XF86 VGA server in 640 x 480 x 8 (or it might be 16) mode. After installing RH 72 (and of course GNOME) I started my xserver and the desktop appears then the bottom panel, a couple applets appear (in the none complete icon state) and before they gain the full icon state of the applet, the panel applet crashes leaving no panels on the desktop. I'm able to start a terminal and call any program but the panel applets always crash. At this point I was not sure if this is the panel or the panel applets. So knowing how great Ximian is I loaded it up hoping maybe my problems would be solved. The install went great. Then starting of the new Ximian GNOME desktop crashed at Doorman, then at the Panel applet as it did with the initial GNOME. I know this is an old system and it's purpose is singular on our network, so I usually vncviewer into this system, which also works fine (except for the above mentioned crashes). I use vnc because I can set the desktop to a range higher than the hardware will allow. However, the aforementioned errors happen in both the vncserver and sitting at the system. Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need another set of eyes. From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 00:58:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DF35180FB for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 00:58:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nCds-0003Xk-00; Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 Date: Mon, 18 Mar 2002 21:58:40 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: "jverel@optonline.net" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020318215840.A13599@spawar.navy.mil> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: ; from jverel@optonline.net on Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: John Thank you very much! This makes perfect sense and I tried it and so far it fixed problem. Of course it was sporadic before so I'll be more sure it worked as time goes on. What do you think about adding a line to rc.local to scrub the /tmp directory at every reboot??? That should provide nice insurance for this. What would cause these /tmp files to get mangled??? My desktop PC never had this problem.. only this new laptop?!?!?! Thanks again, Chris On Mon, Mar 18, 2002 at 09:55:54AM -0500, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it should be fixed after the first such time. > > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then login again. > > Usually, the screwed up temp file fix solves the problem. By blowing out ~/.gnome/, you'll wind up with a default desktop configuration when you go back in. > > John > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Christian Seberino seberino@spawar.navy.mil > Date: Sun, 17 Mar 2002 19:04:20 -0800 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? > > > gdm ALWAYS wants me to log in twice. It rejects my > first attempt and then lets me thru on second. > > Any ideas? > > Chris > > P.S. This is a Slackware 8 laptop with X 4.2. gdm > would not let ANYONE log in before I put > /opt/gnome/bin in PATH. I don't know if that > is relevant. > > -- > ======================================================= > | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | > | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | > | 53560 HULL ST || | > | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | > ======================================================= > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From kliermanm@bigfoot.com Tue Mar 19 14:42:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from motgate4.mot.com (motgate4.mot.com [144.189.100.102]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C55019187 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:42:19 -0500 (EST) Received: [from mothost.mot.com (mothost.mot.com [129.188.137.101]) by motgate4.mot.com (motgate4 2.1) with ESMTP id MAA13182 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:15 -0700 (MST)] Received: [from pronto1.comm.mot.com (pronto1.comm.mot.com [173.6.1.22]) by mothost.mot.com (MOT-mothost 2.0) with ESMTP id MAA09391 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 12:42:14 -0700 (MST)] Received: from beta1 (beta1 [173.5.173.1]) by pronto1.comm.mot.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA29106 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:42:13 -0600 (CST) Subject: solaris and gnome2 (gnome-vfs) From: Ken Lierman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 13:42:12 -0600 Message-Id: <1016566934.1268.26.camel@beta1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hey all, I thought i'd take a crack at compiling gnome2 on my solaris 2.6 machine here at work.... (BTW, thanks for garnome... making it tolerable, at least :). Anyway, i've had a few minor compilation issues (which i'll log soon), but i'm totally stuck with gnome-vfs-1.9.10. Here's what i get (compiling gnome-vfs-application-registry.c): /usr/include/signal.h:198: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h: In function `sigwait': /usr/include/signal.h:200: parse error before '*' token /usr/include/signal.h:201: `__setp' undeclared (first use in this function) /usr/include/signal.h:201: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once /usr/include/signal.h:201: for each function it appears in.) anyone see this before? signal.h and sys/signal.h are just FILLED with conditional compilations.... ug. Any ideas? Thanks! Ken From seberino@dt092n42.san.rr.com Tue Mar 19 16:00:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from dt092n42.san.rr.com (dt092n42.san.rr.com [204.210.48.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BA318197 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:00:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from seberino by dt092n42.san.rr.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1) id 16nQj2-0004Qp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 13:00:56 -0800 From: Christian Seberino To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: How many gdm processes does gdm require? Message-ID: <20020319130056.A17036@spawar.navy.mil> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: How many gdm's should I see on a normal ps aux output?? I see 3 even though no one is using this PC!?!?!? Chris -- ======================================================= | Dr. Christian Seberino || (619) 553-7940 (office) | | SPAWARSYSCEN 2363 || (619) 553-2836 (fax) | | 53560 HULL ST || | | SAN DIEGO CA 92152-5001 || seberino@spawar.navy.mil | ======================================================= From dbp24@ee.byu.edu Tue Mar 19 16:14:34 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from krum.ee.byu.edu (krum.ee.byu.edu [128.187.114.160]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780CC189F4 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:14:34 -0500 (EST) Received: from ee.byu.edu (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by krum.ee.byu.edu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2JLEXp16785 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 Message-ID: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 14:14:33 -0700 From: Devin Baker Pratt X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.78 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Terminal bell properties Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn down the volume. From Uraeus@linuxrising.org Tue Mar 19 17:40:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02.chello.no (mta02.chello.no [212.186.255.11]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290C819256; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:40:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.0.131] ([212.186.233.117]) by mta02.chello.no (InterMail vK.4.04.00.00 201-232-137 license e49469e1064252e0c4d3b333458c6cb7) with ESMTP id <20020319222818.DDVD604.mta02@[212.186.233.117]>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 23:28:18 +0100 Subject: GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 From: Christian Fredrik Kalager Schaller To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 (1.0.2-0.7x) Date: 19 Mar 2002 23:21:45 +0100 Message-Id: <1016576506.1347.4.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is the GNOME Summary for 2002-03-03 - 2002-03-16 ============================================================== Table of Contents -------------------------------------------------------------- 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released 2. Sun release abicheck 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' 7. Abiword on O'Reilly 8. GNOME 2 software popping up 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out 10. First release of Gior 11. Bug Day Reminder 12. Translated GNOME summaries 13. Hacker Activity 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity ============================================================== 1. Rhythmbox 0.1 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The fast growing Rhythmbox team lead by Jorn Baayen and Bastien Nocera had their first official release this last week. Rhythmbox is a music management program which aims at taking care of all your needs in relation to playing music on a computer. This first release just plays your mp3 or ogg files but development is moving rapidly and many more features are planned as shown on the rhythmbox homepage. http://www.rhythmbox.org/ ============================================================== 2. Sun release abicheck -------------------------------------------------------------- Sun Microsystems has released Abicheck under the LGPL to the GNOME community. Abicheck is a tool to make sure that the libraries ABI stay 100% compatible, within the same release series. As part of this release they have made ABI docs for glibc and GNOME. More info on the abicheck homepage. http://abicheck.sourceforge.net/ ============================================================== 3. GStreamer 'GUADEC By Foot' 0.3.3 released -------------------------------------------------------------- The GStreamer team did a new release of the GStreamer Multimedia Framework. This release featured among other things a new autoplugger and many new plugins. The release is also needed if you want to try out the first two released applications based on GStreamer namely the the Gst-Player and Rhythmbox releases. http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/notice.php http://www.gstreamer.net/releases/0.3.3/gstplayernotes.php ============================================================== 4. Release of GnuCash 1.6.6 -------------------------------------------------------------- Our friends of the Gnucash project made another release this week. The new version features tweaks for the exchange rate calculation so that it will work in even more complicated cases, involving different Euroland and other currencies, added Edit Report Options hyperlink to warnings in reports and added workaround for Guppi barchart legend sorting (broken in Guppi 0.40.0 - 0.40.3). http://www.gnucash.org/ ftp://ftp.gnucash.org/pub/gnucash/ ============================================================== 5. GTK+ user interface libraries, version 2.0 -------------------------------------------------------------- The GTK+ team is proudly announced to the world the release of version 2.0 of the GTK+ widget toolkit and associated libraries (GLib, Pango, and ATK). These libraries are the result of 3 years work with contributions from hundreds of volunteers. This release represents a major step forward in free software user interface toolkits. This release brings with it many improvements in API and widget functionality, accessibilty support, unsurpased i18n support and support for anti-aliasing. All this for the first time available in a library available under the LGPL license a license that is open and free to all developers no matter what license they choose to use for their software. http://www.gtk.org/2.0.0-announce.html ============================================================== 6. GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 2: 'I bastun bor vi allihopa!' -------------------------------------------------------------- The second GNOME desktop beta was out this week and according to many this beta is stable enough to use on a daily basis if you are willing to be a little forgiving with your desktop. Bugfixing goes on at great pace thanks to the dedicated effort of the GNOME team. One person I think deserves a special mention this time around is Kevin Vandersloot who now maintains both gnome-applets and gnome-utils and is very quick to respond to new bug reports as shown by him being high both on the cvs commits list but also on the bug-hunters list. Thanks Kevin. Anyway please read the release notes for more information about this release. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2002-March/msg00181.html ============================================================== 7. Abiword on O'Reilly -------------------------------------------------------------- That GNOME has the best applications there can be little doubt about. This week O'Reilly published an article presenting our favourite word processor Abiword to the world. The article gives some positive insight into the history of the project, where it is now and where its heading. http://linux.oreillynet.com/pub/a/linux/2002/03/14/abiword.html ============================================================== 8. GNOME 2 software popping up -------------------------------------------------------------- The first software release for GNOME 2 is starting to appear. In addition to the mentioned Rhythmbox and Gst-Player releases mentioned earlier we had releases of Gnumeric, File Roller and Eye Of GNOME. More ports are started so expect to see more in the coming weeks. http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00017.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00033.html http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00037.html ============================================================== 9. Ada bindings for GTK+ 2.0 already out -------------------------------------------------------------- The GtkAda team announced the release of GtkAda 2.0.0 release this week. This makes Ada the first language bindings to have a non-development release of bindings for the new GTK+ 2.0 release. Maybe this is the chance you have been waiting for to try out the Ada programmig language? http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2002-March/msg00029.html ============================================================== 10. First release of Gior -------------------------------------------------------------- Since we have had a CORBA story for the last couple of summaries I thought we needed one this week also. Frank Rehberger has made a fun little tool which lets you dump CORBA ior's and ping associated objects. You find it and a screenshot at the link below. http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~frehberg/gior.html ============================================================== 11. Bug Day Reminder -------------------------------------------------------------- We will also this week have a bug squashing event in #bugs on irc.gnome.org also this thursday between 2PM-2AM GMT aka (9AM-9PM EST). While the bug team has gotten many great volunteers the last few weeks more is needed so please stop by. ============================================================== 12. Translated GNOME summaries -------------------------------------------------------------- As always we have translations of the GNOME summaries available. So linked below are French translation, Spanish translation and Hungarian translation. If there are other translations available please let us know. http://www.gynov.org/news/index.php4 http://es.gnome.org/actualidad/ http://cactus.rulez.org/projects/gnome/summary/ ============================================================== 13. Hacker Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Thanks for Paul Warren for these lists. Most active modules: 93 gnumeric 80 evolution 56 profterm 48 gimp 47 gok 45 gnome-applets 42 gnome-panel 42 gtk+ 41 SashComponents 40 rhythmbox-new 39 gnome-control-center 35 vte 33 nautilus 32 galeon 29 gal 25 gtkmm-root 24 encompass 24 pan 23 ggv 21 gnome-utils [134 active modules omitted] Most active hackers: 57 minmax 48 dtb 48 frob 46 ajshankar 38 jamesh 38 stano 36 jpekka 34 michael 34 jbaayen 32 nalin 30 jody 29 chrisime 29 menthos 29 murrayc 29 fejj 27 hp 26 kmaraas 25 dobey 24 kevinv 24 ettore [138 active hackers omitted] ============================================================== 14. Gnome Bug Hunting Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- This information is from http://bugzilla.gnome.org, which hosts bug and feature reports for most of the Gnome modules. If you would like to join the bug hunt, subscribe to the gnome-bugsquad mailing list. Currently open: 6779 (In the last week: New: 1116, Resolved: 887, Difference: +229) Modules with the most open bugs (excluding enhancement requests): nautilus: 1149 (In the last week: New: 130, Resolved: 104, Difference: +26) gtk+: 399 (In the last week: New: 78, Resolved: 36, Difference: +42) gnome-core: 312 (In the last week: New: 97, Resolved: 131, Difference: -34) gnome-vfs: 245 (In the last week: New: 2, Resolved: 5, Difference: -3) gnome-applets: 235 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 13, Difference: +20) galeon: 177 (In the last week: New: 191, Resolved: 174, Difference: +17) gnome-panel: 168 (In the last week: New: 114, Resolved: 39, Difference: +75) gnome-pilot: 165 (In the last week: New: 6, Resolved: 42, Difference: -36) sawfish: 165 (In the last week: New: 12, Resolved: 7, Difference: +5) GIMP: 157 (In the last week: New: 17, Resolved: 12, Difference: +5) control-center: 141 (In the last week: New: 57, Resolved: 33, Difference: +24) medusa: 125 (In the last week: New: 0, Resolved: 0, Difference: 0) gmc: 111 (In the last week: New: 4, Resolved: 4, Difference: 0) balsa: 106 (In the last week: New: 18, Resolved: 7, Difference: +11) gnome-utils: 101 (In the last week: New: 33, Resolved: 26, Difference: +7) Gnome Bugzilla users who resolved or closed the most bugs: heath@pointedstick.net: 127 bugs closed. yaneti@declera.com: 126 bugs closed. kmaraas@gnome.org: 78 bugs closed. bordoley@msu.edu: 55 bugs closed. louie@ximian.com: 51 bugs closed. otaylor@redhat.com: 35 bugs closed. mpeseng@tin.it: 28 bugs closed. hp@redhat.com: 24 bugs closed. kfv101@psu.edu: 23 bugs closed. menesis@delfi.lt: 21 bugs closed. james@daa.com.au: 18 bugs closed. iain@ximian.com: 17 bugs closed. jfleck@inkstain.net: 16 bugs closed. srittau@jroger.in-berlin.de: 15 bugs closed. jacob@ximian.com: 14 bugs closed. There is no new and updated software listing this week. The new software map registers every change to the application entry which means that the script generating a list of new releases generated a huge list as maintainers have been updating their entries for the new map as this activity goes back to normal the new and updated software list will be back. The cvs stats and bug hunting stats are for last week only. Christian gnome-summary@gnome.org From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:41:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E2B8B182E0 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:23 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMfMe22624; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:41:22 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:41:21 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C8D@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 22 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt Havoc From hp@redhat.com Tue Mar 19 17:42:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CB101925E for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:44 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2JMgWB22628; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Devin Baker Pratt Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Terminal bell properties References: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 19 Mar 2002 17:42:32 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C97AA39.CDD4BE79@ee.byu.edu> Message-ID: Lines: 12 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Devin Baker Pratt writes: > I just switched to a new computer and the terminal bell sound is > annoyingly loud. Is there a way to adjust the volume of the sound? I > found how to turn off the bell but it is useful so I'd rather just turn > down the volume. > It's in the keyboard applet (for no good reason really - it's the "keyboard bell" if you stretch things I guess). Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 18:34:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6C11928F for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:34:00 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2JNXjY02298 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:46 -0800 Message-Id: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Reply-To: Jeff Trefftzs From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 15:33:45 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all - A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is this problem already fixed? TIA, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 18:41:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE5B519297 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:41:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2JNdwL19145 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at least that i can see. anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be hacked, and what the values ought to be? thanks very much. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jeff@tcsn.net Tue Mar 19 19:16:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-131.tcsn.net [63.174.82.131]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F9F1192A3 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:16:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2K0GR708889; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:27 -0800 Message-Id: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: Message from dep of "Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 EST." <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 16:16:26 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi dep - They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed RH-7.1 system. HTH, -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 19:27:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BD7E18267 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:27:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K0PbJ19442 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:25:37 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> In-Reply-To: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed | RH-7.1 system. that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jverel@optonline.net Tue Mar 19 20:55:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15B97180E2 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:55:04 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2K1x2O02729; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 20:59:02 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Jeff Trefftzs Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020319205902.B2140@Verdi> References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Have you tried rxvt? John On 03/19/02, 03:33:45PM -0800, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, and > would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), is > this problem already fixed? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From dachristy@yahoo.com Tue Mar 19 21:52:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net (hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA4E91812A for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:52:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust46.tnt3.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.124.46] helo=localhost.localdomain) by hawk.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16nWDK-00017F-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 From: D Christy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:52:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | +----------------------------------------+ From bordoley@msu.edu Tue Mar 19 22:30:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071DE18112 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:30:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320033034.FXCA1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:30:34 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: D Christy Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:30:40 -0500 Message-Id: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. dave On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 21:52, D Christy wrote: > On Tue, 19 Mar 2002 18:39:58 -0500 > dep wrote: > > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > There is one panel (Ximian meunu panel) that can't be configured. I'd love to find a way to config it myself. > > > -- > ^----^ > (- 0) > +---------oo0-(..)-0oo-------------------+ > | David Christy | Redhat Linux 7.2 | > | http://cyggy.com | Gnome / Sawfish | > | dachristy@yahoo.com | Sylpheed-Claws | > +----------------------------------------+ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From dep@drippingwithirony.com Tue Mar 19 22:37:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD661829B for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:37:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2K3ZeC20153 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: another probably silly question Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:35:40 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 X-Message-Flag: Danger! You are using Microsoft Outlook, risking your data and enraging the rest of the Internet. Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: name newname and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing, everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. tia. -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From pnelson@neatech.com Tue Mar 19 22:46:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F806187E1 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:46:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id <1YKAJW0R>; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:34 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2002 19:47:24 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> > Anyway, why all this info? Every system but this one works great, but this > one has a problem with something in the GNOME panel and Doorman startup. > The X messages are cryptic so I don't really know if there is anything I can > do. Just wanted to add this in case your searching for a solution and need > another set of eyes. This could be very useful - maybe you're seeing this: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=55119 What are the X messages? Anything in ~/.xsession-errors? If you run the panel in gdb, with the --sync option, what's the backtrace? $ gdb panel (gdb) run --sync (gdb) bt ----------------->>>> Yeah I should have included them. I really just figured it was an old machine and that was causing my problems so I just used a different desktop and vncviewer (twm). However I would like to solved this if possible. So here are the errors that happen after startx is issued. 1. Ximian Doorman seg faults at process 1679 2. Panel seg faults at process 1736 Note that the doorman thing now tries to start every time before GNOME (or after not sure about the sequence, but prior to the desktop load) and this is because it fails. Here is the output of gdb: Made a file called gdbcmd.txt that consists of 2 lines: run --sync bt then ran the following command to produce the 2 files attached: 1. gdb panel -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> panel.txt 2>&1 2. gdb doorman -batch -x gdbcmd.txt >> doorman.txt 2>&1 During the run of panel a box comes up saying that panel is already running do you want to start a new panel Yes or No. Selecting either lands same result. Is this enough info for ya? ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="doorman.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="doorman.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 208 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 rgb8a (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", rowstride=3D2112,=20 colormap=3D0x807d608) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:208 #1 0x402360bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8166290, pixels=3D0x814b100 "", = rowstride=3D2112, alpha=3D1, cmap=3D0x807d608) at = gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4023644e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x8126b60, = src=3D0x8126ab8,=20 cmap=3D0x807d608, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D528, height=3D42) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x0804d139 in _start () #4 0x0804d277 in _start () #5 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80886b0,=20 func=3D0x804d1a8 <_start+2216>, func_data=3D0x0, args=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x403060be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x81262d0, = signal=3D0xbfffdcb0,=20 object=3D0x80886b0, params=3D0xbfffdd10, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4030551f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffdd10) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80886b0, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x40337d3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x40337a21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80886b0) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at gtkbox.c:606 #12 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8088310,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8088310, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe0e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8088310, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8088310) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x402e012e in gtk_notebook_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtknotebook.c:505 #17 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80880f0,=20 func=3D0x402e0004 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe480) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe480) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80880f0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80880f0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at gtkbox.c:606 #22 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8087cd0,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe820) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe820) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8087cd0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8087cd0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x4027364d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at gtkbox.c:606 #27 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8083400,=20 func=3D0x40273534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8083400, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffebc0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8083400, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8083400) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x4026f394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at gtkbin.c:133 #32 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x80876b8,=20 func=3D0x4026f290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffef50) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffef50) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x80876b8, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x80876b8) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #36 0x40341d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #37 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #38 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff2e0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #39 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #40 0x40337a50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #41 0x403419aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #42 0x402d6a6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8085660,=20 func=3D0x40341814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #43 0x403053cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8085660, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff6d0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #44 0x40303594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8085660, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #45 0x403371c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8085660) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #46 0x0804d934 in main () #47 0x40522306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x804d7b4
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x804bb54 <_init>, fini=3D0x80562a0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0 Content-Type: text/plain; name="panel.txt" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="panel.txt" (no debugging symbols found)... Program received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 172 gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c: No such file or directory. in gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c #0 0x4035b056 in rgb8 (image=3D0x8150310, pixels=3D0x8148600 = "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/",=20 rowstride=3D24, colormap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:172 #1 0x4035c0bf in rgbconvert (image=3D0x8150310,=20 pixels=3D0x8148600 "=D0=E5a@=D0=E5a@onfig/", rowstride=3D24, = alpha=3D0, cmap=3D0x80d4938) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1026 #2 0x4035c44e in gdk_pixbuf_get_from_drawable (dest=3D0x0, = src=3D0x8150238,=20 cmap=3D0x80d4938, src_x=3D0, src_y=3D0, dest_x=3D0, dest_y=3D0, = width=3D7, height=3D7) at gdk-pixbuf-drawable.c:1171 #3 0x080a1077 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #4 0x080a1209 in xstuff_set_wmspec_dock_hints () #5 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812b610,=20 func=3D0x80a11e8 , = func_data=3D0x0,=20 args=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #6 0x4042c0be in gtk_handlers_run (handlers=3D0x80c0280, = signal=3D0xbfffe350,=20 object=3D0x812b610, params=3D0xbfffe3b0, after=3D0) at = gtksignal.c:1917 #7 0x4042b51f in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812b610, = signal_id=3D13,=20 params=3D0xbfffe3b0) at gtksignal.c:1477 #8 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812b610, signal_id=3D13) at gtksignal.c:552 #9 0x4045dd3c in gtk_widget_realize (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1655 #10 0x4045da21 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812b610) at = gtkwidget.c:1594 #11 0x40403b4d in gtk_menu_shell_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkmenushell.c:357 #12 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812aa28,=20 func=3D0x40403a28 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffe780) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #13 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffe780) at gtksignal.c:1440 #14 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812aa28, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #15 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812aa28) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #16 0x4039964d in gtk_box_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at gtkbox.c:606 #17 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x812a1a0,=20 func=3D0x40399534 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #18 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeb20) at gtksignal.c:1440 #19 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x812a1a0, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #20 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x812a1a0) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #21 0x40395394 in gtk_bin_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at gtkbin.c:133 #22 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129d78,=20 func=3D0x40395290 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #23 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbfffeeb0) at gtksignal.c:1440 #24 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129d78, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #25 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129d78) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #26 0x40467d10 in gtk_window_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:1023 #27 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467c04 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff240) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #28 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D11,=20 params=3D0xbffff240) at gtksignal.c:1440 #29 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D11) at gtksignal.c:552 #30 0x4045da50 in gtk_widget_map (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1596 #31 0x404679aa in gtk_window_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwindow.c:910 #32 0x403fca6b in gtk_marshal_NONE__NONE (object=3D0x8129c98,=20 func=3D0x40467814 , func_data=3D0x0, = args=3D0xbffff630) at gtkmarshal.c:312 #33 0x4042b3cb in gtk_signal_real_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, = signal_id=3D9,=20 params=3D0xbffff630) at gtksignal.c:1440 #34 0x40429594 in gtk_signal_emit (object=3D0x8129c98, signal_id=3D9) at gtksignal.c:552 #35 0x4045d1c4 in gtk_widget_show (widget=3D0x8129c98) at = gtkwidget.c:1434 #36 0x08066b97 in init_user_panels () #37 0x0805e53d in main () #38 0x4050c306 in __libc_start_main (main=3D0x805e288
, argc=3D2, = ubp_av=3D0xbffffa14, init=3D0x8056eac <_init>, fini=3D0x80a8cb0 = <_fini>,=20 rtld_fini=3D0x4000d2dc <_dl_fini>, stack_end=3D0xbffffa0c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:129 ------_=_NextPart_000_01C1CFC1.F7EF4FA0-- From anand.subra@wipro.com Wed Mar 20 00:42:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (wiprom2mx1.wipro.com [203.197.164.41]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7AE418653 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:42:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from m2vwall5.wipro.com (m2vwall5.wipro.com [10.115.50.5]) by wiprom2mx1.wipro.com (8.11.3/8.11.3) with SMTP id g2K5gKG15252 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:12:20 +0530 (IST) Received: from wipro.com ([127.0.0.1]) by m3mail.mail.wipro.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9BT000.S3B; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 11:11:24 +0530 From: "Anand Subramanian" To: Sean Middleditch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <196779196960.196960196779@wipro.com> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:41:24 +0500 X-Mailer: Netscape Webmail MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Language: en Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? X-Accept-Language: en Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > I had the exact same problem (only with RH 7.2) on my machine at > school. Myself and another student had a problem where we would start > getting the "failed to connect to :0.0" error after we had already > logged in - no new programs could be run in X, but alreadry running > programs kept working fine. Strangely, we're the only two to have > thatproblem, and the class room has nothing but the exact same > computers,with the exact same installs of RH 7.2. Able to reproduce this *every* time I reboot my Red Hat Linux 7.1 box. I was startled initially when this problem occured. > Perhaps upgrading all the latest RH packages would help you out there? This problem persists, although I have the latest packages built from the CVS Can anyone please suggest a solution for this ? -Anand From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 00:48:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70586189C9 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 00:48:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from psi.omegacs.net (psi.omegacs.net [10.1.1.201]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2K5njn11091; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 21:49:45 -0800 Subject: RE: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: jverel@optonline.net Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 21:48:46 -0800 Message-Id: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-18 at 06:55, jverel@optonline.net wrote: > First, from a console log (not X) delete /tmp/orbit-user. Then login to X. > You may get one more instance of the "twice login" indident, but it > should be fixed after the first such time. I did this on my parent's machine, it didn't help. > If this fails, do the above and also do mv ~/.gnome/ ~/.gnome_bak, then > login again. Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From paul.lewis@karachi.freeuk.com Wed Mar 20 01:03:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (mta02-svc.ntlworld.com [62.253.162.42]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AB561811C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:03:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from karachi.edinburgh ([62.252.152.39]) by mta02-svc.ntlworld.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320060337.WKXT8848.mta02-svc.ntlworld.com@karachi.edinburgh>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:03:37 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:05:20 +0000 From: Paul Lewis To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320060520.A3027@karachi.Edinburgh> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Wed, Mar 20, 2002 at 00:25:37 +0000 X-Mailer: Balsa 1.2.pre3 Lines: 26 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 2002.03.20 00:25 dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > > -- > dep > -- Hi, I don't think it is parculiar to ximian. I can get to the panel properties dialogue (ximian Gnome), maybe it's a rights issue for your user. From trav@u.washington.edu Wed Mar 20 01:20:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (sense-sea-focal-dynamic-2-19.oz.net [216.39.134.83]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D08718A3D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:20:38 -0500 (EST) Received: (from trav@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2K6KLW03274; Tue, 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: trav set sender to trav@u.washington.edu using -f Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Travis Saling To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 19 Mar 2002 22:20:21 -0800 Message-Id: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with or without the clock) as a regular old applet. -- Travis Saling Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu (206) 543-8984 From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 01:24:06 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B760618C27 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320062359.VRGR2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 06:23:59 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 01:24:05 -0500 Message-Id: <1016605462.1356.152.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I should have been more clear, this is by design, but the design is broken. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:20, Travis Saling wrote: > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > -- > Travis Saling > Webmaster, UW Electrical Engineering > trav@u.washington.edu / webmaster@ee.washington.edu > (206) 543-8984 > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hongli@telekabel.nl Wed Mar 20 02:28:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep15-int.chello.nl (amsfep15-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2FEF718488 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 02:28:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep15-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020320072828.NLTP25529.amsfep15-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 08:28:28 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Hongli Lai To: dep Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203200016.g2K0GR708889@thoth.trefftzs.org> <200203191924.23594.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 08:29:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1016609395.1240.1.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 01:25, dep wrote: > begin Jeff Trefftzs's quote: > > | They mean right click on the panel itself. They you should get a > | menu that includes a "Panel" entry; Mouse over that, you should > | see another submenu with "properties", mouse over that, and you > | should see "Hiding Policy", and under that you finally come to > | "auto hide". At least that's where it is on my newly-installed > | RH-7.1 system. > > that's the weird thing -- that's what the manual says to do, too. only > if i rmb on the panel itself and then go to the panel entry, the > submenu has "add to panel," "create panel," "remove this panel" > (greyed out), "global preferences" (which has nothing for autohide), > "edit menus," "panel manual" (which gets me nautilus and my home > directory -- odd), "about the panel," and "about gnome." no > properties at all. so i suppose it's a ximian thing. > Are you clicking on the menu panel? The menu panel is very inflexible and doesn't have a Properties menu item. Other types of panels do have a Properties menu item and are very configurable. From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 03:49:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46BD41827C for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 03:49:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9KIB00.S08 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:23 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016595057.1342.15.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016605221.3230.2.camel@spiderman> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:54:54 +0100 Message-Id: <1016614494.13967.180.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I use). Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work ;o) -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it For every winner, there are dozens of losers. Odds are you're one of them. From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 04:02:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pilot15.cl.msu.edu (pilot15.cl.msu.edu [35.9.5.35]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AC4F188BA for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from msu.edu (loopback [127.0.0.1]) by pilot15.cl.msu.edu (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2K92Kc19524; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 -0500 Message-Id: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:02:20 EST To: Michele Campeotto , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide From: X-Mailer: TWIG 2.3.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. dave Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly changing based on what app your using. Michele Campeotto said: > Hello, this is my first post to the list :o) > > > > Menu panel is very broken and can't really be configured. Right now the > > > gnome ui team is considering just removing it from gnome 2.2 and > > > replacing it with functionally equivalent applets. > > I'm really looking toward this change, I always wanted to be able to > configure the menus shown in the menu panel (which is the only one I > use). > > Another thing I'd like to have are MacOS-lice global menus, there > already is a patch to GNOME 1.4 and a Sawfish module to get them, but it > is a little broken wrt Bonobo apps (Evo, for example). > Is somebody considering having them in GNOME 2.x? > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/gnome-globalmenu/ > > > You know, I just assumed that was by design - I didn't know it was > > broken! But it'd be great to be able to get the drop-down tasklist (with > > or without the clock) as a regular old applet. > > http://www.carcosa.net/jason/software/applets/finder.html > > > P.S: I'm not in any way associated with Jason, and I'm not promoting > his website, I just happen to have met him at t.o and to like his work > ;o) > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > For every winner, there are dozens of losers. > Odds are you're one of them. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 04:24:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1540F1832D for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 04:24:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GT9M4R00.00I for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:24:27 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:58 +0100 Message-Id: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to GNOME. > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > changing based on what app your using. I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that useful. I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window before being able to see its menu. Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden inside gconftool), though. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:09:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA7F118C79 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:09:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nevg-0001YO-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:10:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com>; from dep@linuxandmain.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > least that i can see. > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > hacked, and what the values ought to be? There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I want it" or "I don't want it". The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one you have, you find it won't work. I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel is there you can kill off the original one.) Telsa From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Wed Mar 20 07:43:52 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4602183BD for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 07:43:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16nfSj-0001ae-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? Message-ID: <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200203192333.g2JNXjY02298@thoth.trefftzs.org>; from trefftzs@tcsn.net on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 03:33:45PM -0800 or thereabouts, Jeff Trefftzs wrote: > Hi all - > > A quick question: I recently upgraded to RH-7.1, and all its terminals now > come in color. Since I'm partially color-blind, I find this a major PITA, > and would like to revert to the good old black on white (or dark on light) > display. Any hints? And when I finally upgrade to Gnome-1.4 (or later), > is this problem already fixed? I can't remember what the defaults are for RH 7.2 or for Gnome 1.4.1 as a whole because I changed them all. Click on Properties or Preferences or whatever it's called in the toolbar of the terminal. If you have removed the toolbar because it's a complete waste of space, control-right-click on the terminal to get to the Preferences dialogue. (You can get away with just right-clicking without the control key unless you have already done a left-click in that terminal, in which case it will assume the right-click is to complete the selection the left-click started.) There are four tabs in the preferences dialogue. The third is called Colours (or Colors to non-en_GB speakers :)). The second choice there is fore/background color (um. Even in en_GB. Bug there, I think :)). There's various black on white, white on black, green on black choices. If you select custom colours, you'll be able to play with the colour selector underneath, but you don't need to. Once you have selected black on white, play with the 'colour scheme' button, because the shades of black and white vary according to whether you pick rxvt, linux console or something different! (Does anyone know why this is?) Apply. Close. If you are using RH and want only monochrome, you may also want to turn off the color-ls facility that RH gives people by default. This is provided by /etc/profile.d/colorls.sh, which is in turn read by /etc/profile. You can either take the "I am the only person on this machine" approach and just delete the colorls.sh file, or you can add "unalias ls; unalias l.; unalias ll" into your .bash_profile or .bashrc (I forget which one :)) This will revert back to the nice old style of just the names in the expected foreground font. You can actually change the individual colours used for this, but I just remove the whole capability. I believe "dircolors" is what you'd need to look up to do that. It is very very much worth filing a bug on the colours of the default gnome-terminal: accessibility has become very important to GNOME and to the companies shipping it. So either RH's bugzilla (RHL 7.1/gnome-core) or GNOME's (gnome-core/gnome-terminal) will do. Both is good :) Telsa From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:49:48 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (rwcrmhc52.attbi.com [216.148.227.88]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 202181930B for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:49:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc52.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320144939.VKBK1147.rwcrmhc52.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:49:39 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: Michele Campeotto Cc: GNOME mailing list In-Reply-To: <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:49:21 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635778.1326.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: The most inherit problem with this (beyond my personal disklike) is that it would break consistency with all non-gnome apps, since most all existing unix apps have "Windows" like behavior. Since this feature would be completely incompatible with existing unix programs (gtk 1.2, motif, qt), in my book it's a bad feature to even consider. This would not be something minor like changing button ordering to those used by macOS. It would be a complete paradigm switch. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 04:29, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 10:02, bordoley@msu.edu ha scritto: > > Honestly, I don't see macos style global menus ever being integrated into > > gnome as they violate the ui guidlines we have set up. I guess you could email > > desktop-devel, but I wouldn't count on this being added anytime soon. > > Well, I'm sure they will not show up soon (that's why I wrote 2.x and > not 2.0 ;o), but I definitely think they would be a nice addition to > GNOME. > > > Ps. I really don't think gnome should blantantly copy either windows or macos. > > MacOS does some things very right (specifically dialog button orders are > > great, putting the panel on the top of the screen) but personally I hate the > > macOS global menu. I think it's a bad ui to have the menu bar constantly > > changing based on what app your using. > > I'm not saying GNOME should copy this or that, I already see many > improvements in GNOME UI (I *love* the way the Nautilus location bar > works when hidden!), and neither I'm sure that global menus are good > (having never used a Mac...), but reading Tog's considerations > (www.asktog.com) about them makes me wonder if they are really that > useful. > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > I still think they would be a nice option to have (even if hidden > inside gconftool), though. > > -- > -- Michele - www.micampe.it > > That which does not kill me postpones the inevitable. > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 09:50:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AFD218799 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 09:50:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320145050.EMDN2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 14:50:50 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 09:50:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 07:10, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 06:39:58PM -0500 or thereabouts, dep wrote: > > okay, this is offtopic to the extent that i'm running -- well, > > installed and am trying to configure -- ximian gnome, my first real > > experience with gnome. and i'm seeking to alter the panel somewhat -- > > put it at the bottom and set it to autohide. > > > > the gnome docs say that autohide is enabled via rmb, panel, > > properties. only there is no such item on the menu with ximian, at > > least that i can see. > > > > anybody know how to enable the edge/hide stuff in ximian? and absent a > > way to do it via the gui itself, which config file needs to be > > hacked, and what the values ought to be? > > There's five types of panel you can have in Gnome. Edge panel, > floating panel, menu panel (which is often called the foobar -- > after the file the code is in, I think) and two others I forget. > > All of them are endlessly configurable except for one: the menu > panel. Grr! You can't really do anything with it except say "I > want it" or "I don't want it". > > The very top panel in Ximian -- the narrow one -- is a menu > panel, and thus you can't do a lot with it. > > I think Ximian may also presume that you really don't want to > remove all panels, so that if you try to remove the only one > you have, you find it won't work. > > I think your best bet is to create a new panel at the bottom > (of any type but 'menu') and just fill it in with the things > you want and the settings you prefer. (Once that second panel > is there you can kill off the original one.) > > Telsa > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:01:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CAE1192F2 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:01:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA1QL00.P1Q for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:01:33 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto Reply-To: micampe@micampe.it To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:07:07 +0100 Message-Id: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official GNOME... --=20 -- Michele - www.micampe.it La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li abbiamo fatti. -- Goethe From bordoley@msu.edu Wed Mar 20 10:13:09 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (rwcrmhc53.attbi.com [204.127.198.39]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B3611932E for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:13:09 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc53.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020320151307.FDYB2951.rwcrmhc53.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]> for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:13:07 +0000 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: David Bordoley To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:12:37 -0500 Message-Id: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I think theres a bug on the click along the borde issue in bugzilla, might want to check that.=20 Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. dave On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 10:07, Michele Campeotto wrote: > Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 15:50, David Bordoley ha scritto: > > Just as a note, the menu panel will probably be long gone in gnome 2.2 >=20 > I only hope that the applets that will mimic (and improve?) its > functions will be able to respond to clicks along the border of the > screen... just like Ximian's menu panel does now and unlike official > GNOME... >=20 > --=20 > -- Michele - www.micampe.it >=20 > La cosa pi=F9 bella dei bambini =E8 il ricordo della notte in cui li > abbiamo fatti. > -- Goethe >=20 > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From ml@micampe.it Wed Mar 20 10:22:04 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtpmail.e-tree.com (host2-pool8018105.interbusiness.it [80.18.105.2]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6C7D18261 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:22:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from wb-gu214.e-tree.lan ([10.70.190.30]) by smtpmail.e-tree.com (Netscape Messaging Server 4.15) with ESMTP id GTA2OO00.O24 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 16:22:00 +0100 Subject: Re: panel autohide From: Michele Campeotto To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <20020320121056.E2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <1016635850.1330.10.camel@localhost.localdomain> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 16:27:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1016638055.13968.258.camel@wb-gu214> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Il mer, 2002-03-20 alle 16:12, David Bordoley ha scritto: > Changing changing to using applets to mimic it functionality will fix > alot of key nav issues with the menu panel. Yes, building the menu panel with applets has no drawbacks, IMO, provided it is done right. -- -- Michele - www.micampe.it Nothing ever gets built on schedule or within budget. -- Murphy's Technology Laws From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:28:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF321181EC for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFSpj05797; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:28:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:28:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 6 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, This is useful, thanks. Can you also send me the output of "xpdyinfo"? Havoc From hp@redhat.com Wed Mar 20 10:29:12 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397B3187BF for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2KFT9F08424; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 20 Mar 2002 10:29:09 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C93@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 4 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) Havoc From jeff@tcsn.net Wed Mar 20 15:30:49 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (psrb-ppp1-122.tcsn.net [63.174.82.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 359B4193CE for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:30:48 -0500 (EST) Received: from thoth.trefftzs.org (jeff@localhost) by thoth.trefftzs.org (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2KKUZ102061 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:36 -0800 Message-Id: <200203202030.g2KKUZ102061@thoth.trefftzs.org> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.2 06/23/2000 with nmh-1.0.4 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Monochrome Gnome Terminal? In-Reply-To: Message from hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk of "Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:45:05 GMT." <20020320124505.F2931@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> From: Jeff Trefftzs Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:30:35 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi Telsa, and all who responded to my original post. I didn't want to start bugging RH if this was something fixed in later releases - and from my point of view it's enough to simply unalias all those color terminal aliases in my own .bashrc files. But from what you're saying, it's still the default, even in 7.2. So I will file bug reports in both places. Thanks to all who pointed out that it's just an alias problem. -- --Jeff Jeff Trefftzs http://www.tcsn.net/trefftzs Home Page http://gug.sunsite.dk/gallery.php?artist=68 Gimp Gallery http://trefftzs.topcities.com/home.html Photo galleries From in_rapture@yahoo.com Wed Mar 20 15:41:35 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web10108.mail.yahoo.com (web10108.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.130.58]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BF2431831A for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 15:41:34 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020320204133.30554.qmail@web10108.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.4.27.247] by web10108.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 PST Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 12:41:33 -0800 (PST) From: Rick Hansen Subject: gnome-terminal not working To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I just installed a fresh copy of Slackerware 8.0 and am having a bit of trouble with the gnome-terminal. When I use gdm to log onto the system, I can not use the gnome-terminal program. Whenever I try to start gnome-terminal the screen flashes for a split second and then closes. I get the same result every time I try to start gnome-terminal. This does NOT happen when I log in as root through gdm, or if I do not use gdm to log in. Any help or suggestions on how to trouble shoot this would be great. Rick Hansen __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - live college hoops coverage http://sports.yahoo.com/ From jverel@optonline.net Wed Mar 20 19:33:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from John.optonline.net (ool-18bd2cab.dyn.optonline.net [24.189.44.171]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCA618440 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:33:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from john@localhost) by John.optonline.net (8.11.6/linuxconf) id g2L0b1W02896; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: John.optonline.net: john set sender to jverel@optonline.net using -f Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:37:00 -0500 From: John P Verel To: Erik Walthinsen Cc: jverel@optonline.net, "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? Message-ID: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5.1i In-Reply-To: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net>; from omega@temple-baptist.com on Tue, Mar 19, 2002 at 09:48:46PM -0800 X-Mailer: Mutt 1.2.5.1-1 on Red Hat Linux 2.4.9-13 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > Due to GNOME's rather poor behavior when it comes to upgrading some > packages (not sure which), I've had to wipe and reconfigure their > .gnome/ bits relatively frequently, and it made no difference either. > It's been a while so I may make an attempt. However, I think I remember > doing this a while back to try to solve this exact issue, to no avail. You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and up2date upgrade. Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? -- John P. Verel Living Proof That Low Tech Beats High Tech! From omega@temple-baptist.com Wed Mar 20 22:29:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.omegacs.net (omegacs.net [216.99.212.251]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F1419369 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 22:29:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [10.1.4.3] (temple-baptist.com [216.99.217.68]) by mail.omegacs.net (8.11.6/8.11.0) with ESMTP id g2L3Ttn31731; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 19:29:55 -0800 Subject: Re: Why ALWAYS need to log in twice for gdm to let me thru? From: Erik Walthinsen To: John P Verel Cc: "seberino@spawar.navy.mil" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" In-Reply-To: <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> References: <1016603327.1755.61.camel@sonic.omegacs.net> <20020320193700.A2330@Verdi> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 20 Mar 2002 20:28:50 -0800 Message-Id: <1016684935.2558.6.camel@dell.omegacs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Wed, 2002-03-20 at 16:37, John P Verel wrote: > You raise and interesting point. I've had (and fixed) this problem at > least a half dozen times over the past two or so years. A common > pattern is that it occurs right after an upgrade...including after and > up2date upgrade. It happened a lot more in the past, but various things still break even with the latest Ximian updates. > Perhaps this suggests that certain rpm based upgrades do not ensure that > the integrity of pre-existing /tmp files? /tmp files don't have any integrity, by definition. The problem is with the mechanisms the software uses to configure itself. An extreme example was the day I accidentally installed a few too many packages out of the GNOME 2.0 snapshots channel on both of my machines. When I next logged into the machines, the configuration was *completely* different, bearing not the slightlest resemblence to my 1.4 configuration. I'm hoping that a) this is because things are moving to GConf and b) no one's put effort into configuration-migration yet. All I can say is that if anyone here expects not to lose users in droves when they upgrade to GNOME 2.0 and find that they have to *completely* reconfigure everything to even remotely represent their old config, they are utterly deluding themselves. We (GNOME) can *NOT* ignore the problem of configuration migration. If an application or utility needs a different configuration mechanism, it cannot simply ignore old config files. If that means a migration utility that has plugins for each application in order to move config from 1.4 to 2.0, then that must be written. Erik Walthinsen - System Administrator __ / \ GStreamer - The only way to stream! | | M E G A ***** http://gstreamer.net/ ***** _\ /_ From dep@drippingwithirony.com Wed Mar 20 23:45:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from depoffice.localdomain (dhcp161-69-151-24.nt01-c5.cpe.charter-ne.com [24.151.69.161]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 758D418405 for ; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:45:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [[UNIX: localhost]]) by depoffice.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.3/SuSE Linux 8.11.1-0.5) id g2L4hVE24503 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: dep To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Wed, 20 Mar 2002 23:43:31 -0500 X-Mailer: Krappola Bad Addressbook 1.3.9 References: <200203191839.58394.dep@linuxandmain.com> <1016636827.13969.256.camel@wb-gu214> <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1016637187.1330.25.camel@localhost.localdomain> X-Message-Flag: Danger! 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Reply-By: 1 Apr 2002 00:59:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <200203202343.31601.dep@linuxandmain.com> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: to everyone, thanks very much for all your help. the solution had to do with it being a menu panel rather than a plain old panel. what i was up to is memorialized online, and the helpful members of this list are mentioned. it's here: http://www.linuxandmain.com/tech/xibretto.html thanks again. best, -- dep -- Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan From jal233@earthlink.net Thu Mar 21 10:39:05 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp016.mail.yahoo.com (smtp016.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.174.113]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6E7FB18AFB for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:39:05 -0500 (EST) Received: from james?laska (AUTH plain) at bi-02pt1.bluebird.ibm.com (HELO flatline.pok.ibm.com) (james?laska@129.42.208.182) by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 21 Mar 2002 15:39:04 -0000 Subject: gnome run dialog From: James A Laska To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 10:39:00 -0500 Message-Id: <1016725141.5722.4.camel@flatline.pok.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: What is the status of the gnome run dialog. Where do I find what is being done for it, and by whom? I recently grabbed the new ximian gnome release (gnome-core-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2, gnome-core-devel-1.4.0.6-1.ximian.2) and found that the gnome run dialog has changed. First, gnomecc no longer accepts my windows key mapping (Super_L and Super_R) when binding keys to the run and menu actions. Xmodmap has correctly mapped the modifiers and other applications (xev, sawfish) recognize the super_l and super_r modifiers. For some reason, gnome stopped recognizing these keys once I upgraded. Second, the gnome run dialog is a sub-process of the panel process? This was done to reduce the load up time correct? This also means that there is no other way to get tot he run dialog outside of a key mapping (as defined in $HOME/.gnome/panel). It would be nice to be able to call the run dialog from other programs (gkrellm, nautilus, etc...) (not sure if this is possible any more since it is part of `panel` -- perhaps a switch option to panel (i.e. `panel --gnome-run`)). It would also be nice to be able to move the gnome run panel button into submenu's (I can move it to drawers, but not to menus (I guess because it is an applet not a .desktop). If this is possible already, I haven't found how. Third, the new "Available Programs" interface is neat, but unnecessary for advanced users. Clicking on the "Advanced..." button should make the "Available Programs" listbox disappear. I'm not so sure the merging of the favorites menu into the "Available Programs" listbox was done correctly. Should merging be an option? I don't want my favorites merged into the system menus. Perhaps there could be a textbox in the gnomecc panel interface that allows the user to specify a comma delimited list of directories to merge? Following comments made in this post: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-list/1999-October/msg01031.html is there any work being done on tab-completion and autorunning based on mime-type? Is this the correct forum to address the above concerns? Thanks in advance to any responders? _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 11:06:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3108B1846B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:06:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LG5LG27221; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 11:05:21 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:51:11 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Weird alignment of panel components Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem: [Image] Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this pad. How do I realign this pad? TIA, Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------25F4799ADDB697585268791C Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary="------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495" --------------CBB858DC8423DE8E8CE53495 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my problem:

Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to the panel they appear to the left of this
pad. How do I realign this pad?

TIA,
Henry
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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
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gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.2.99 Preview Release Date: 21 Mar 2002 11:28:45 -0500 Message-Id: <1016728125.10020.36.camel@kinase.site.uottawa.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi all, In order to get rid of the warning messages printed by java graphical applications, I have a line like this in my .gnomerc: xprop -root -remove _MOTIF_DEFAULT_BINDINGS however, this seems to working intermittently, calling xprop twice seems to solve the problem, can anybody explain why? Timing problem? Work around? Cheers, Marcel -- marcel turcotte, assistant professor, school of information technology and engineering, university of ottawa, 161 louis pasteur, p.o. box 450 station a, ottawa, ontario, k1n 6n5, canada, tel: (613) 562-5800 x6660 fax: (613) 562-5175, cby a-333-a, http://www.site.uottawa.ca/~turcotte From calum.benson@sun.com Thu Mar 21 12:05:16 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pheriche.sun.com (pheriche.sun.com [192.18.98.34]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64D141943B for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 12:05:16 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by pheriche.sun.com (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA08546 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 10:05:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2LH5Dx16659 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:14 GMT Message-ID: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:05:13 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Michele Campeotto wrote: > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > before being able to see its menu. > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? There are two issues I can think of: - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to do so :) So there would need to be some sort of hacky mechanism/setting built into the window manager to ensure focus wasn't given to other intermediate windows when you moved the pointer from the application window to the menu bar. (Sawfish can probably already deal with this with its plethora of settings, other GNOME-compliant window managers may not). - It's a pain when you're running on multiple screens, as many power users do-- even on a Mac with multiple screens, the global menu bar always appears on screen 1 (IIRC), which often isn't the one that your application window is on. This makes using the menus a pain. Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From hongli@telekabel.nl Thu Mar 21 15:16:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 157B21812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:16:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020321201642.JRQO1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components From: Hongli Lai To: Henry Katz Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:18:13 +0100 Message-Id: <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > problem: > > [Image] > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > the panel they appear to the left of this > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > TIA, > Henry > -- Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 15:54:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 165561869D for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:54:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2LKr6G27430; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:53:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A44DD.E53FEABC@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 15:38:53 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hongli Lai Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Weird alignment of panel components References: <3C9A016F.BEC8C0AF@iscs-i.com> <1016741893.1473.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote: > > I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my > > problem: > > > > [Image] > > > > Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the > > panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn > > foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to > > the panel they appear to the left of this > > pad. How do I realign this pad? > > > > TIA, > > Henry > > -- > > Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-) Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hongli Lai wrote:

On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:51, Henry Katz wrote:
> I've added a picture of the gnome panel below to clearly explain my
> problem:
>
> [Image]
>
> Basically, I was playing with the panel properties and I modified the
> panel type (now edge type) but the stubborn
> foot refuses to go back to the left edge. When I add more launchers to
> the panel they appear to the left of this
> pad. How do I realign this pad?
>
> TIA,
> Henry
> --

Eh... rightclick on the foot and select "Move"? :-)

Thanks - I hadn't noticed the move option.

Henry

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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------BF3F65DE230D77FEEE68E0A9-- From mail@stew.nu Thu Mar 21 16:09:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CF601812E for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:09:39 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewcompaq (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2LLDBk30737 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:11 +0100 Message-ID: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> From: "stew" To: Subject: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2919.6700 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2919.6700 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. = It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. Thanks in advance, Stew ------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hi all,
 
I was wondering if there is a good = AVI-player for=20 Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5=20 codec.
 
Thanks in advance,
 
Stew
------=_NextPart_000_0040_01C1D125.A9EB74A0-- From bordoley@msu.edu Thu Mar 21 16:24:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (rwcrmhc51.attbi.com [204.127.198.38]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A25A189A7 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:24:25 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc51.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020321212424.GKST2626.rwcrmhc51.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:24:24 +0000 Subject: Re: Avi player for Mandrake/gnome From: David Bordoley To: stew Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> References: <004301c1d11d$4b665920$0300a8c0@www.stew.nu> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:24:08 -0500 Message-Id: <1016745867.1329.31.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: If your running gnome2 you could try downloading and playing with gstplayer. Otherwise the only really good player is mplayer, but it's a bitch to setup, since you have to compile from source for legal reasons. dave On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 16:13, stew wrote: > Hi all, > > I was wondering if there is a good AVI-player for Mandrake 8.2 / Gnome. It would be nice if it supported the Divx5 codec. > > Thanks in advance, > > Stew From bfrantzdale@hmc.edu Thu Mar 21 17:13:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.ac.hmc.edu (Mail.AC.HMC.Edu [134.173.32.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1E4E185DA for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:13:50 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ben@HMC-59-66.ST.HMC.Edu [134.173.59.66]) by mail.ac.hmc.edu (8.11.2/8.11.2) with ESMTP id g2LMDnr08019 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 14:13:49 -0800 (PST) Subject: Re: another probably silly question From: Ben FrantzDale To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> References: <200203192235.40423.dep@linuxandmain.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 14:12:36 -0800 Message-Id: <1016748829.15451.3.camel@en-dash> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Seeing as nobody else has responded, here's my 2 cents: The only gnome mail client I use is Evolution. While it appears to be an ``all-encompassing everything-but-blood-type pim'', it is componentized, so only those componenets you use are loaded into memory. It stores things in a database format, but my sense is that there may be an easy way to get the entries dumped into a flat text file. If you want to go that route, try the evolution list (evolution@ximian.com) Again, this is probably not the answer you were looking for, but it's the best answer I have off the top of my head. Hopefully it's better than nothing. Regards, Ben On Tue, 2002-03-19 at 19:35, dep wrote: > of the multitude of gnome-based mail clients, does anyone here know if=20 > there's one that stores its addressbook in a flat format, as in: > name > newname >=20 > and so on? kde has deprecated the kmail addressbook, and i'm looking=20 > for alternatives to the huge, all-encompassing,=20 > everything-but-blood-type pim sort of address handling. >=20 > tia. > --=20 > dep > -- > Everyone is entitled to his own opinion but not his own facts. > -- Daniel Patrick Moynahan > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8mlrTBQkCV8iOJocRAvhEAJwL/BK4bJwofOdhmzBndAWlEMYNogCfWyHe 3KBZ96zkmUJEshdBM+tckxA= =AhwC -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-hsP3BMOYUPwTxI10wh4D-- From geoffrey@ticom.com Thu Mar 21 17:22:27 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from peengihn.austin.ticom.com (peengihn.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.145]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FE32194F4 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:22:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from mongo.austin.ticom.com (mongo.austin.ticom.com [65.16.214.148]) by peengihn.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC90258E002 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:29:27 -0600 (CST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mongo.austin.ticom.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67C251A0016 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 (CST) Subject: GDM and sessreg From: geoffrey To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 16:26:37 -0600 Message-Id: <1016749597.19816.5.camel@mongo> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I'm trying to get the sessions written to /var/log/wtmp with no luck. I have read the sessreg manpage and added the appropriate scripts to /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Presession/ and /etc/opt/gnome/gdm/Postsession/. However, none of the X users show up when I do: w. So, what have I missed? How do I get GDM to log the sessions so that I can see them with w/who? I need logging to wtmp so that I can run idled. thanks for any and all clues. geoffrey -- this space intentionally left blank From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Thu Mar 21 17:25:43 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCA2A187EF for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 17:25:42 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oB1M-0004Wp-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 22:26:56 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Message-ID: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME mailing list References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <1016616599.13974.197.camel@wb-gu214> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com>; from calum.benson@sun.com on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when changing app > > may be a problem - as it can be a problem having to click on a window > > before being able to see its menu. > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > There are two issues I can think of: > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously refuse to > do so :) You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! Telsa (proving Calum's point) From stanb@awod.com Thu Mar 21 19:15:26 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88C36180D8 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:26 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id TAA79809 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:15:25 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User stanb [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 54 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16oCjw-00023C-00 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:17:04 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 19:01:14 up 5 days, 7:06, 1 user, load average: 0.17, 0.59, 0.45 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > report. > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > entirly. > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > get work done. > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > were gone :-( > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > report on this? > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the night). I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory Gnome woody .debs Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). The WILL trash your panels. Hope that helps. -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 19:44:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE8A182CE for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:44:14 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M0gaG27675; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:42:36 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 19:28:21 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote: > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. Bollocks!! I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss. It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple of days to stop the memory creep. Henry > > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit stan wrote:
Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the
night).

I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow.

Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory
Gnome woody .debs

Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
The WILL trash your panels.

Hope that helps.

Bollocks!!

I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited for everything to come to life then
logged back out again. When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was that two terminals
had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.

What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal evidence of memory loss.
It reminds me of the old days when I was on Solaris 2.5 only to have to log out of CDE every couple
of days to stop the memory creep.

Henry

 

--
"They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve
neither liberty nor safety."
                                                -- Benjamin Franklin

--
 
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------B90DD2625613B0C104AAE5A6-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:04:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 291D918156 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:17 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M14BU19425 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M14Ch73750; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:04:12 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when sawfish records the window's size. I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut down faster than the panel initializes.... So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing issues during session startup/shutdown. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 20:06:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A394A188E5 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M16WU19449 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:32 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M16Xx73802; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 20:06:33 -0500 Message-Id: <1016759193.71549.13.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:04, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might 256MB. evidently I'm having a bad math day... -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Thu Mar 21 21:00:37 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BD021813C for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:00:37 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2M1xKG27736; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:59:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Date: Thu, 21 Mar 2002 20:45:13 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote: > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > Actually, no. I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup; > recently I determined that it's a timing issue: apparently one or more > applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and eat up too much CPU.. > > busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets > dumping core. At some point I may go digging through the applet libs > looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase. > > In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is > initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings. > > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals > > had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-) > > so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when > gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when > sawfish records the window's size. > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > down faster than the panel initializes.... Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing > issues during session startup/shutdown. Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE. Henry > > > -- > brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] > allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] > allbery@ece.cmu.edu > electrical and computer engineering > KF8NH > carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" > -ke6sls] > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" wrote:
On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 19:28, Henry Katz wrote:
> > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds).
> > The WILL trash your panels.
> >
> > Hope that helps.
>
> Bollocks!!

Actually, no.  I tend to get multiple panels during GNOME startup;
recently I determined that it's a timing issue:  apparently one or more
applets times out trying to connect to the panel if the system is too

Ah - true. I deliberately waited until those finicky applets came to life before shutting down the
window mgr. In fact, I've noticed that some of the clock applets are real memory hogs and
eat up too much CPU..
 
busy, and starts a new one --- usually leading to many of your applets
dumping core.  At some point I may go digging through the applet libs
looking for a CORBA communications timeout to set/increase.

In the original poster's case, logging out before the panel is
initialized might well result in it dying while saving its settings.

> When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was
> that two terminals
> had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24.

Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal.  From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7
console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some
gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in
characters, or vice versa.  On a slower system I can even see the
windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes
them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two);

Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - don't we all ;-)
 
so, once again, I suspect it's a timing issue of some kind between when
gnome-terminal sets the window hints to size by character cells and when
sawfish records the window's size.

I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here:  GNOME is rather
memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup
times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic.  The extra 192MB might
conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut
down faster than the panel initializes....

Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory?
So, probably some work needs to be put into synchronization/timing
issues during session startup/shutdown.
Yep - that's why when I want rock stable I shift to my other keyboard and use Sol 8 with CDE.

Henry
 

 

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--------------FD1BFD7358D526930EE624C2-- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Thu Mar 21 21:16:21 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.133]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 402ED18E86 for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:21 -0500 (EST) Received: from rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (root@VPN46.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.46]) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.8.8) with ESMTP id g2M2GFU19747; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:15 -0500 (EST) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M2GG274745; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from allbery@ece.cmu.edu) X-Authentication-Warning: rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net: allbery set sender to allbery@ece.cmu.edu using -f Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: "Brandon S. Allbery " KF8NH To: Henry Katz Cc: Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 21 Mar 2002 21:16:16 -0500 Message-Id: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > > Sawfish vs. gnome-terminal. From other odd symptoms (notably, my 262x7 > > console messages terminal sometimes opening really HUGE), I think some > > gnome-terminal windows get their sizes saved in pixels and restored in > > characters, or vice versa. On a slower system I can even see the > > windows open at the correct size, then when sawfish starts up it resizes > > them to the weird size (sometimes with some flickering between the two); > > Hmmm--- this sounds like sloppy coding practice. I wish I had a free cycle - > don't we all ;-) Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with synchronization"?) > > I'd be suspicious of the memory size difference here: GNOME is rather > > memory-hungry, and certainly on my laptop the difference in startup > > times between 128M, 384M, and 512M is dramatic. The extra 192MB might > > conceivably make gnome-session save the (incomplete) session and shut > > down faster than the panel initializes.... > > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? Don't know; since I run Ximian's 1.4 on Solaris and 1.4 from /usr/ports on FreeBSD, I haven't seen GNOME 2 in action at all yet. -- brandon s. allbery [linux][solaris][japh][freebsd] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [openafs][heimdal][too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hp@redhat.com Thu Mar 21 23:43:19 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60B99181BD for ; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:43:19 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2M4gEV00977; Thu, 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Henry Katz Cc: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <1016759052.71549.11.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 21 Mar 2002 23:42:14 -0500 In-Reply-To: <3C9A8CA9.B28B71A0@iscs-i.com> Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Henry Katz writes: > Is gnome 2 better or worse with memory? > There's slightly more base overhead for Hello, World, but some of the main components (namely Nautilus) use a lot less overall. The net effect of GNOME 2 (so far) is that it seems slightly faster/smaller, at least to me. Other people have said it seems slower. It probably depends on which specific app or widget you are clicking on to test. Havoc From stuart@bmsi.com Fri Mar 22 09:51:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from www.bmsi.com (www.bmsi.com [216.133.86.66]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E26E0180EF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from gathman.bmsi.com (gathman [219.109.11.136]) by www.bmsi.com (8.12.1/8.12.1) with ESMTP id g2MEpXkZ011634; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:34 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 09:51:31 -0500 (EST) From: "Stuart D. Gathman" To: "Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <1016763376.71549.20.camel@rushlight.kf8nh.apk.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On 21 Mar 2002, Brandon S. Allbery KF8NH wrote: > On Thu, 2002-03-21 at 20:45, Henry Katz wrote: > Actually, it's more to do with the freakish way some settings belong to > the application, some to the session manager, and some to the window > manager, and the nasty synchronization issues that result. > > (Could this be solved by having gconfd pass appropriate settings to the > session mgr and/or window mgr, thus reducing the problem from "all apps > must deal with nasty synchronization issues" to "gconfd must deal with > synchronization"?) I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. Doesn't gtk+ have a configuration framework that takes care of stuff like this? An old article titled "Worse is Better" described how it was very tricky to save kernel state across task switches when implementing a simple thing like 'read()'. Unix punted and simply returns a "Try Again" error code to let the application recover. What was not mentioned is that the "application" needn't deal with this. A wrapper around 'read()' can check for this error and retry as needed. All state is saved on the user mode stack. While it is easy to invent, too bad such a wrapper wasn't standardized (or did it miss it?). -- Stuart D. Gathman Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154 "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial. From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 10:22:14 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp02.web.de [217.72.192.151]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AD49180DF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:22:13 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.41 #2) id 16oQrc-00021c-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 16:21:56 +0100 Subject: ORBit-2 - ORBit_ObjectKey  From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 16:05:08 +0100 Message-Id: <1016809514.31580.5.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hello, *object_key seems to be undetermined for decoded IOR-strings in ORBit2. Instead the CORBA_Object.object_key is used. typedef struct { IOP_Profile_info parent; gchar *unix_sock_path; CORBA_unsigned_short ipv6_port; ORBit_ObjectKey *object_key; } IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info; Why did you introduce object_key in IOP_TAG_ORBIT_SPECIFIC_info if it is not used. Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Fri Mar 22 11:19:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A23E18111 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:19:02 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.80.26.189] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16oRkm-0006Co-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 17:18:56 +0100 Subject: IOR strings needed for testing From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 22 Mar 2002 17:02:12 +0100 Message-Id: <1016812933.31622.20.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Please, could you send me some IOR strings for testing my Gnome-IOR dump tool? Perhaps there are some IOR strings of GIOP and IIOP connections arround. Those IOR strings may be of other ORBs as Mico etc. Thanks in advance, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Fri Mar 22 11:24:38 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 44D8D18545 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 11:24:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-65.58.42.154.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([65.58.42.154] helo=there) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16oRpm-0003lX-00; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 08:24:07 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk, GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: panel autohide Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 10:23:29 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: <200203200902.g2K92Kc19524@pilot15.cl.msu.edu> <3C9A12C9.9907B197@sun.com> <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: <20020321222656.A17131@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thursday 21 March 2002 04:26 pm, hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 05:05:13PM +0000 or thereabouts, Calum Benson wrote: > > Michele Campeotto wrote: > > > I also agree with you that having the menubar change when > > > changing app may be a problem - as it can be a problem having > > > to click on a window before being able to see its menu. > > > Can you point me to some rationale against global menus? > > > > There are two issues I can think of: > > > > - Many GNOME users don't use click-to-focus, and religiously > > refuse to do so :) > > You leave my focus-follows-mouse alone! > > Telsa (proving Calum's point) > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list Ditto!! -- "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." -- Unknown From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 22 13:18:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8C8A187CF for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:18:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16oTdx-00065A-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Message-ID: <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com>; from henry.katz@iscs-i.COM on Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > stan wrote: > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > Bollocks!! I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Please don't prove this true. > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to more like 10x10. > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have files going back to January 2000 there... > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > evidence of memory loss. I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for more people than just me though... Telsa From henry.katz@iscs-i.com Fri Mar 22 13:54:28 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from stmoritz.iscs-i.com (sdsl-216-46-75-3.dsl.nyc.megapath.net [216.46.75.3]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2187A18198 for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:28 -0500 (EST) Received: from iscs-i.com by stmoritz.iscs-i.com (8.10.2+Sun/8.9.1) id g2MIj2G28226; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:45:02 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <3C9B7859.F1384020@iscs-i.com> Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 From: Henry Katz Organization: ISCS, Inc X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.79 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.4.9-31smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <20020313140214.J778@inkstain.net> <20020313234226.GG3379@teddy.fas.com> <20020317060709.GA19152@teddy.fas.com> <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> <3C9A7AA5.99AA8BA8@iscs-i.com> <20020322182001.B23041@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one. > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time... > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... Mine only go back two months.. > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. Henry -- I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. -Morpheus ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote:

I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an English one.
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes.
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to
more like 10x10.
Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming you have the time...
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31.
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering.

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have
files going back to January 2000 there...

Mine only go back two months..
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for
more people than just me though...
Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. I just intended to say
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup.

Henry
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I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com
--------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- From arthur@linuxbox.nu Fri Mar 22 14:00:02 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aa.linuxbox.nu (aa.linuxbox.nu [208.149.147.127]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A68891815D for ; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 14:00:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from apollo.linuxbox.private.nu (arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu [10.1.1.42]) by aa.linuxbox.nu (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2MIvq912212; Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:57:52 -0500 Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" X-X-Sender: arthur@apollo.linuxbox.private.nu To: stan Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? In-Reply-To: <20020322001704.GE7358@teddy.fas.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Not here. -- Arthur H. Johnson II Senior Systems Engineer The Linux Box E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu Office: 734-761-4689 Pager: 734-882-0323 On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > report. > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > entirly. > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > get work done. > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > were gone :-( > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > report on this? > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > night). > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > Gnome woody .debs > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > The WILL trash your panels. > > Hope that helps. > > From pausmith@nortelnetworks.com Sat Mar 23 03:11:51 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com [47.140.48.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83C78180E5 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:51 -0500 (EST) Received: from zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com [47.140.192.58]) by zrtps06s.nortelnetworks.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N8BlF06650 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:47 -0500 (EST) Received: from lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com (lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com [47.17.140.90]) by zrtps0m6.us.nortel.com (Switch-2.2.0/Switch-2.2.0) with ESMTP id g2N88qs12225 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:08:56 -0500 (EST) Received: from psmith by lemming.engeast.baynetworks.com with local (Exim 3.32 #1 (Debian)) id 16ogcl-00015Q-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: "Paul Smith" Reply-To: "Paul Smith" Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your username? After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password text etc.? I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). Debian Woody GDM 2.2.5.4-2 -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. From stanb@awod.com Sat Mar 23 09:26:01 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [208.140.99.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 699EC18867 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:01 -0500 (EST) Received: from teddy.fas.com (pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net [68.58.176.67]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.12.2) with ESMTP id JAA85701 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:26:00 -0500 (EST) (envelope-from stanb@awod.com) X-Authentication-Warning: sumter.awod.com: User sandib [pcp01010372pcs.mplsnt01.sc.comcast.net] popped 93 seconds ago Received: from stan by teddy.fas.com with local (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 16omUh-00058k-00 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 From: stan To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? Message-ID: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome Mailing List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=unknown-8bit Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.27i X-Editor: gVim X-Operating-System: Debian GNU/Linux X-Kernel-Version: 2.4.17 X-Uptime: 09:18:08 up 14:02, 1 user, load average: 0.11, 0.10, 0.09 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it that I'm setting up for my wife. I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer setings and all cahnels are set quite high. I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. Hw can I further troubleshoot this? -- "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin From ermshta@ermshta.org Sat Mar 23 09:54:13 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp015.216-96-207.sherb.mt.videotron.ca [207.96.216.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0748A18A14 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:12 -0500 (EST) Received: (from loflinan@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2NEsLi01206; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:54:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: loflinan set sender to ermshta@ermshta.org using -f Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? From: Jee Desjardins To: "Mailing List: Gnome" In-Reply-To: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> References: <20020323142743.GA19564@teddy.fas.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok" X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1016895260.1138.6.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to help but I really don't know where to start. Jee Desjardins ermshta@ermshta.org On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. >=20 > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= r > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. >=20 > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= s. >=20 > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? >=20 > --=20 > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list >=20 --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= =/n2b -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- From mail@stew.nu Sat Mar 23 12:36:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.space2u.com (mail.space2u.com [62.20.1.135]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21A9C18AEB for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:36:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from stewamd (c164-142.pro.thalamus.se [212.31.164.142]) by mail.space2u.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) with SMTP id g2NHecM04099 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:40:38 +0100 Message-ID: <002201c1d291$5a0e6bf0$0b00a8c0@stewamd> From: "Stew" To: "Mailing List: Gnome" Subject: Unsubsribe from this list? 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------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C1D299.B7F48850-- From mario.vukelic@chello.at Sat Mar 23 12:48:32 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from viefep11-int.chello.at (viefep11-int.chello.at [213.46.255.27]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9CBD18ABC for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 12:48:31 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain ([213.47.79.152]) by viefep11-int.chello.at (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020323174830.MVXU1155.viefep11-int.chello.at@localhost.localdomain> for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 18:48:30 +0100 Subject: Re: GDM: window resizing annoyance From: Mario Vukelic To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 23 Mar 2002 18:45:38 +0100 Message-Id: <1016905538.4288.17.camel@sonic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:11, Paul Smith wrote: > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? Please go to http://bugzilla.gnome.org and report it, if it isn't yet -- I did not vote for the Austrian government From kreamer@954access.net Sat Mar 23 13:06:23 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from 954access.net (unknown [216.235.105.201]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14BB718555 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:06:23 -0500 (EST) Received: from default [216.235.99.117] by 954access.net (SMTPD32-7.05) id A377CF20136; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:03:35 -0500 Message-ID: <000701c1d295$39de13e0$7563ebd8@default> From: "William Kreamer" To: References: <20020323170112.4F4CB18ADC@mail.gnome.org> Subject: Re: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 13:04:48 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.3018.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.3018.1300 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Check two things: 1. See whether you have sound when you are logged in as user, and also as root. 2. See whether you have sound files in your user .gnome subdirectory. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 23, 2002 12:01 Subject: gnome-list digest, Vol 1 #1023 - 6 msgs > Send gnome-list mailing list submissions to > gnome-list@gnome.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > gnome-list-request@gnome.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > gnome-list-admin@gnome.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of gnome-list digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk) > 2. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Henry Katz) > 3. Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? (Arthur H. Johnson II) > 4. GDM: window resizing annoyance (Paul Smith) > 5. Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (stan) > 6. Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? (Jee Desjardins) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 18:20:01 +0000 > From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > On Thu, Mar 21, 2002 at 07:28:21PM -0500 or thereabouts, Henry Katz wrote: > > stan wrote: > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > > night). > > > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > Bollocks!! > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Please don't prove this true. > > > I did this just for kicks. Logged out, logged back in, waited > > for everything to come to life then logged back out again. > > When I logged in again, the only thing that was amiss was > > that two terminals had shrunk in size to something < 80 x 24. > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > more like 10x10. > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > files going back to January 2000 there... > > > BTW, this to me is not even a nuisance compared to my anecodotal > > evidence of memory loss. > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > more people than just me though... > > Telsa > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:30:50 -0500 > From: Henry Katz > Organization: ISCS, Inc > To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: > > > I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time trying to > > persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited > > not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at. > > Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with an > English one. > > > I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging in sometimes. > > It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to > > more like 10x10. > > Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... > > > > The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. > > > What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. > > > > When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix > > and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a > > lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have > > files going back to January 2000 there... > > Mine only go back two months.. > > > I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good way to assess how > > much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical > > file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for > > printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for > > more people than just me though... > > Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say > that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. > > Henry > -- > > > > I didn't say it would be easy. I just said it would be the truth. > -Morpheus > > ISCS, Inc Henry Katz, ScM henry.katz at iscs-i dot > com > eSolutions eXpertise 718.268.3584 www dot iscs-i dot com > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C > Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > > > hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk wrote: >
I just have to interject here. I spend a lot of time > trying to >
persuade people to submit bug reports. One of the reasons cited >
not to do so is that they'll just be ignored, or sworn at.
> Excuse my attempt to downplay an American swear word by replacing it with > an English one. >
I meet gnome-terminal geometry troubles on relogging > in sometimes. >
It's more than minor. On occasion they have shrunk from 80x50 to >
more like 10x10.
> Yes - I confirm this. This is ridiculous and should be easy to fix. Assuming > you have the time... >
> The hardware is dual 1.2Ghz Athlon MP .5 Gb Ram, > gnome, rh 7.2 2.4.9-31. >
> What files should I be looking at in .gnome* for evidence of tampering. >

When it comes to logging in and out, I would include /tmp/.ICE-unix >
and friends too. I doubt it causes any harm, but I certainly see a >
lot of sockets in there which are simply never cleaned it. I have >
files going back to January 2000 there...

> Mine only go back two months.. >
I don't think "this doesn't bother me" is a good > way to assess how >
much it bothers someone else. I can cheerfully live without a graphical >
file manager, without GDM, without xchat, and without support for >
printing other languages. I do tend to presume that GNOME is for >
more people than just me though...
> Please don't get me wrong. I enjoy gnome and use it both on Linux and Solaris. > I just intended to say >
that depending on your production requirements you may want a backup. >

Henry >
-- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
  >
 
I didn't say it would be easy. I just said > it would be the truth.
-Morpheus
ISCS, IncHenry Katz, ScMhenry.katz at iscs-i dot com
eSolutions eXpertise718.268.3584www dot iscs-i dot com
> > > --------------EAEB15B67624DF54B8AEC41C-- > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Fri, 22 Mar 2002 13:54:55 -0500 (EST) > From: "Arthur H. Johnson II" > To: stan > Cc: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? > > > Not here. > > -- > Arthur H. Johnson II > Senior Systems Engineer > The Linux Box > > E-mail: arthur@linuxbox.nu > URL: http://www.linuxbox.nu > Office: 734-761-4689 > Pager: 734-882-0323 > > On Thu, 21 Mar 2002, stan wrote: > > > On Sun, Mar 17, 2002 at 01:07:09AM -0500, stan wrote: > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 06:42:26PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 02:02:14PM -0700, John Fleck wrote: > > > > > On Wed, Mar 13, 2002 at 01:06:08PM -0500, stan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I've seen this failure in various flavors of Gnome for longer that I care > > > > > > to remember. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You've seen this before? So I'll assume that you've filed bug reports, > > > > > and followed up with the hackers to help diagnose the problem. That's > > > > > certainly a key part of the way free software works, with users > > > > > serving as a necessary part of the team by carefully reporting their > > > > > problems so the hackers can help diagnose and fix them. My experience > > > > > in reporting bugs has been phenomenal - these people like to fix 'em > > > > > if they know about 'em. > > > > > > > > The only time I do that, is when I can offer enough details to provide > > > > a reproducable problme. Saying "My system broke" is not a useful bug > > > > report. > > > > > > > > My point is that Gnome 1.4 (the stable version) should be beyond this > > > > type of behavior. If I were runing 2.0 that would be a different mater > > > > entirly. > > > > > > > > But i have choosen to run the "stable" version in order to actually > > > > get work done. > > > > > > > BTW, for those of you who mailed asying "Why Gnome never crashes for me" > > > I'ts crashed 3 times tonite. All occur when loging out, and there is a error > > > popup thta pops up fo a fraction of a secons each time/ One of it's choices > > > "wait for applet", and I maanged to actually get it clicked within that > > > fraction of a second. Didn't help, when I loged back in all traces of panels > > > were gone :-( > > > > > > Sorrym but this is the exact same behavior that cused me to decide that Gnome > > > was not ready for real users about 3 years ago. > > > > > > Any sugestiosn as to how to get enough informatioon to submit a _useful_ bug > > > report on this? > > > > > > > Followup to this (after a 3 hour restore from tape in the middle of the > > night). > > > > I can relaibly reproduce this crash now. Details folow. > > > > Machine 1.2GHZ Athalon 750M memory > > Gnome woody .debs > > > > Login in using gdm. Log right back out (within say 30 seconds). > > The WILL trash your panels. > > > > Hope that helps. > > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: GDM: window resizing annoyance > From: "Paul Smith" > Reply-To: "Paul Smith" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 03:11:39 -0500 > > Are there any other anal-retentive pedants out there who find it > annoying how GDM resizes its login window slightly after you enter your > username? > > After I enter my username and hit RET, the window is redrawn slightly > smaller and the box for my password is displayed. Why does it do that? > Why can't the window stay the same size, just replacing the password > text etc.? > > I realize this redraw is a tiny thing and that if I don't have anything > more important to complain about I should not bother at all, etc., but > to me it looks unprofessional... and it just bugs me :). > > > Debian Woody > GDM 2.2.5.4-2 > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > Paul D. Smith HASMAT--HA Software Mthds & Tools > "Please remain calm...I may be mad, but I am a professional." --Mad Scientist > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- > These are my opinions---Nortel Networks takes no responsibility for them. > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 09:27:43 -0500 > From: stan > To: Gnome Mailing List > Subject: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > that I'm setting up for my wife. > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixer > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sounds. > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > > -- > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > neither liberty nor safety." > -- Benjamin Franklin > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Subject: Re: Sound works, but I have no Gnome sounds, how to troubleshoot? > From: Jee Desjardins > To: "Mailing List: Gnome" > Date: 23 Mar 2002 09:54:20 -0500 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: text/plain > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > Hello, > I have this problem too, as alot of people from what I can hear. I > can hear sounds from sawfish/xmms/all softs except those "from" gnome, I > mean all those that I can see in gnomecc/sounds/sounds-events), gnome > games / gnomeicu / gtm / ..... > > Is it a known issue? What can we do to debug that? I would be happy to > help but I really don't know where to start. > > Jee Desjardins > ermshta@ermshta.org > > On Sat, 2002-03-23 at 09:27, stan wrote: > > I've got a new Athalon 1.2GHZ 750MB machine with Debian wiidy oin it > > that I'm setting up for my wife. > >=20 > > I have sound working, and if I run esd from a non Gnome session as a > > user I get the startup beeps. When loged in as a normal user in a Gnome > > session, I can see esd -nobeeps runing for that user. I've check the mixe= > r > > setings and all cahnels are set quite high. > >=20 > > I have both checkboxes check in the Gnome control panel sound window, > > however, I get no Gnome sounds. Going to the second page of the Control > > Panel sound window, and trying to test the sounds lso results in no sound= > s. > >=20 > > Hw can I further troubleshoot this? > >=20 > > --=20 > > "They that would give up essential liberty for temporary safety deserve > > neither liberty nor safety." > > -- Benjamin Franklin > > _______________________________________________ > > gnome-list mailing list > > gnome-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > >=20 > > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok > Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc > Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part > > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) > Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org > > iD8DBQA8nJcc1y89fXtyeSYRAokVAJ4gJBin2d+0HatOtHuOtBYYVzqh6wCfZZzb > Gkk3F0OXUFdY1WykRXEch08= > =/n2b > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > > --=-k4RfCkZN9TullMzKxpok-- > > > --__--__-- > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > > > End of gnome-list Digest > From Matthew.Morgan@med.ge.com Sat Mar 23 15:55:40 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net [216.35.73.164]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19FED1818C for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:40 -0500 (EST) Received: from int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (int-nj2gw-3 [3.159.236.67]) by ext-nj2gw-2.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA15669 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: from uswaumsxbhmedge.med.ge.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by int-nj2gw-3.online-age.net (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.1/990426-RLH) with ESMTP id PAA09657 for ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 15:55:38 -0500 (EST) Received: by amermsx.med.ge.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:37 -0600 Message-ID: From: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Weird Solaris behavior... Date: Sat, 23 Mar 2002 14:55:27 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so as a regular user I get an error message telling me that the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it needs to be 24. The message gives commands to try to make this happen but I haven't had any luck with them. Anybody else had a similar problem? I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps. - Matt Matthew Morgan matthew.morgan@med.ge.com 262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517 Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/ Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ ------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1"

I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8.
 
I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so
as a regular user I get an error message telling me that
the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it
needs to be 24.
 
The message gives commands to try to make this happen
but I haven't had any luck with them.
 
Anybody else had a similar problem?
 
I'm running on an Ultra 5 if that helps.
 
- Matt

Matthew Morgan                
matthew.morgan@med.ge.com
262/446.9517 Dial Comm *579-9517
Internet http://www.gemedicalsystems.com/
Intranet http://3.7.192.187/~morgan/ 

 
------_=_NextPart_001_01C1D2AD.0F8823C0-- From Frank.Rehberger@web.de Sun Mar 24 09:49:54 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from smtp.web.de (smtp01.web.de [194.45.170.210]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C6CA181BF for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 09:49:54 -0500 (EST) Received: from [217.0.33.94] (helo=papaya.casa.de) by smtp.web.de with asmtp (WEB.DE(Exim) 4.42 #43) id 16p9Jh-0005vw-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:49:53 +0100 Subject: Gnome Repository GUI? From: Frank Rehberger To: gnome Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 15:32:34 +0100 Message-Id: <1016980358.1252.8.camel@papaya.casa.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Is there a GUI for Gnome-Repositories, ie. Namingservice, Interface-Repository, GNOME Object Activation Directory, etc. Should this Gnome-Repository-GUI be embedded in Nautilus, should it be a standallone application?, or should it be a module of Webmin? Regards, Frank -- ------------------------------------------------- Frank.Rehberger at acm.org ------------------------------------------------- The Twelve Networking Truths http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc1925.txt?number=1925 ------------------------------------------------- From pnelson@neatech.com Sun Mar 24 18:19:55 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D995918102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 18:19:53 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:54 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Havoc Pennington' Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Sun, 24 Mar 2002 15:19:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Havoc Pennington wrote: ----------------->>>> Sorry, I said xpdyinfo and meant xdpyinfo. ;-) ----------------->>>> Sorry I just got my mail server back up after a disturbing crash... Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? ------------------------------------------------------ name of display: :0.0 version number: 11.0 vendor string: The XFree86 Project, Inc vendor release number: 3360 XFree86 version: 3.3.6 maximum request size: 4194300 bytes motion buffer size: 256 bitmap unit, bit order, padding: 8, MSBFirst, 32 image byte order: LSBFirst number of supported pixmap formats: 2 supported pixmap formats: depth 1, bits_per_pixel 1, scanline_pad 32 depth 4, bits_per_pixel 8, scanline_pad 32 keycode range: minimum 8, maximum 255 focus: window 0x1000010, revert to Parent number of extensions: 19 BIG-REQUESTS DOUBLE-BUFFER DPMS LBX MIT-SCREEN-SAVER MIT-SHM MIT-SUNDRY-NONSTANDARD RECORD SECURITY SHAPE SYNC XC-APPGROUP XC-MISC XFree86-DGA XFree86-Misc XFree86-VidModeExtension XInputExtension XKEYBOARD XTEST default screen number: 0 number of screens: 1 screen #0: dimensions: 640x480 pixels (217x163 millimeters) resolution: 75x75 dots per inch depths (2): 1, 4 root window id: 0x28 depth of root window: 4 planes number of colormaps: minimum 1, maximum 1 default colormap: 0x24 default number of colormap cells: 16 preallocated pixels: black 0, white 1 options: backing-store YES, save-unders YES largest cursor: 32x32 current input event mask: 0x5820bd KeyPressMask ButtonPressMask ButtonReleaseMask EnterWindowMask LeaveWindowMask PointerMotionHintMask ButtonMotionMask SubstructureNotifyMask SubstructureRedirectMask PropertyChangeMask number of visuals: 4 default visual id: 0x20 visual: visual id: 0x20 class: StaticColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x21 class: StaticGray depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x22 class: GrayScale depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits visual: visual id: 0x23 class: PseudoColor depth: 4 planes available colormap entries: 16 red, green, blue masks: 0x0, 0x0, 0x0 significant bits in color specification: 6 bits ------------------------------------------------------ From hp@redhat.com Sun Mar 24 22:46:47 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10B7818102 for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:47 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2P3kjQ10486; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:46:45 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:46:44 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 9 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) Havoc From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Sun Mar 24 23:00:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.136.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFDD1186EA for ; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 23:00:58 -0500 (EST) Received: from pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu (allbery@VPN57.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.138.57]) (authenticated) by ece.cmu.edu (8.11.0/8.10.2) with ESMTP id g2P3v6w05187; Sun, 24 Mar 2002 22:57:06 -0500 (EST) Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Brandon S Allbery KF8NH To: "Stuart D. Gathman" Cc: Henry Katz , Gnome Mailing List In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 24 Mar 2002 22:56:59 -0500 Message-Id: <1017028623.18548.18.camel@pyanfar.ece.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, 2002-03-22 at 09:51, Stuart D. Gathman wrote: > I am a Gnome user and haven't done any Gnome programming, so I apologize > if this is a "duh", but in other programming projects, I have found that > a library is often better than a daemon for things like this. The problem with that is that you still have lots of applications all trying to talk to everything at the same time; this can lead to a "thundering herd" problem (like I suspect is happening with panel applets). Fixing it when you need to deal with gnome-session, gconfd, and a window manager all at the same time is harder than making gconfd serialize updates to gnome-session and the window manager, and then fixing *one* thundering herd. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From hongli@telekabel.nl Mon Mar 25 02:34:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from amsfep11-int.chello.nl (amsfep11-int.chello.nl [213.46.243.19]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26F7018176 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 02:34:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from youkai.chello.nl ([62.163.164.71]) by amsfep11-int.chello.nl (InterMail vM.5.01.03.06 201-253-122-118-106-20010523) with ESMTP id <20020325073442.DDWV1209.amsfep11-int.chello.nl@youkai.chello.nl>; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 08:34:42 +0100 Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? From: Hongli Lai To: Havoc Pennington Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" In-Reply-To: References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 25 Mar 2002 08:36:20 +0100 Message-Id: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. From calum.benson@sun.com Mon Mar 25 07:49:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE746180FC for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 07:49:52 -0500 (EST) Received: from dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM ([129.156.220.69]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01013; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 04:49:51 -0800 (PST) Received: from sun.com (simcity [129.156.238.57]) by dub-mail1.Ireland.Sun.COM (8.10.2+Sun/8.10.2/ENSMAIL,v2.1p1) with ESMTP id g2PCnnx13507; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 GMT Message-ID: <3C9F1CED.8DCB6123@sun.com> Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:49:49 +0000 From: Calum Benson Organization: Sun Microsystems Ireland - Desktop Engineering X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.75 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.8 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: Weird Solaris behavior... References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: > "Morgan, Matthew (MED)" wrote: > > I've got the unsupported 1.4 version running on Solaris 8. > > I can login as root to the GNOME desktop, but if I try to so > as a regular user I get an error message telling me that > the "Current Depth" of the graphics card is 8+24 and it > needs to be 24. > > The message gives commands to try to make this happen > but I haven't had any luck with them. Not sure what the message you're seeing is suggesting you try, but there's also some information in the Sun FAQ that might help: http://www.sun.com/software/star/gnome/faq/gnome14techfaq.html#25 Cheeri, Calum. -- CALUM BENSON, Usability Engineer Sun Microsystems Ireland mailto:calum.benson@ireland.sun.com Desktop Engineering Group http://www.sun.ie +353 1 819 9771 Any opinions are personal and not necessarily those of Sun Microsystems From pnelson@neatech.com Mon Mar 25 15:12:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from washington.neatech.com (unknown [216.65.155.10]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0C0D180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 15:12:44 -0500 (EST) Received: by WASHINGTON with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) id ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:51 -0800 Message-ID: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Patrick Nelson To: 'Hongli Lai' , Havoc Pennington Cc: "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: RE: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2002 12:12:50 -0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.21) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai wrote: ----------------->>>> > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > Havoc I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. ----------------->>>> Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any suggestions? From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:03 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F8B180E1 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:03 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLm1F12744; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Hongli Lai Cc: Patrick Nelson , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C97@WASHINGTON> <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:01 -0500 In-Reply-To: <1017041781.1431.0.camel@youkai.chello.nl> Message-ID: Lines: 19 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hongli Lai writes: > On Mon, 2002-03-25 at 04:46, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > > > Patrick Nelson writes: > > > Here is the info of xdpyinfo. Do you still have the other emails I sent? > > > > > > > Yep. So this info makes the problem pretty clear - gdk-pixbuf crashes > > on 16-color displays. (At least it looks like that's what you have.) > > > > Havoc > > I use a 16-bit display and gdk-pixbuf has never crashed here. > 16 color, not 16 bit. It's 4 bits. Havoc From hp@redhat.com Mon Mar 25 16:48:53 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from icon.devel.redhat.com (nat-pool-rdu.redhat.com [66.187.233.200]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF8F218E89 for ; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:52 -0500 (EST) Received: (from hp@localhost) by icon.devel.redhat.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id g2PLmos12748; Mon, 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.devel.redhat.com: hp set sender to hp@redhat.com using -f To: Patrick Nelson Cc: "'Hongli Lai'" , "Gnome-List (E-mail)" Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? References: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> From: Havoc Pennington Date: 25 Mar 2002 16:48:50 -0500 In-Reply-To: <4165C48DE9A0D211B6400800095C585F172C98@WASHINGTON> Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Patrick Nelson writes: > Hmm... Yes this is a 16-color display... here at least. However, when I > ran GNOME before (SuSE 7.0) I didn't have this problem. So I wonder... Any > suggestions? Panel was changed to use gdk-pixbuf which is where the bug is. So the thing to do is file a gdk-pixbuf bug on bugzilla.gnome.org. Havoc From linuxadvocate@notwires.com Thu Mar 28 15:11:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.notwires.com (mail.notwires.com [66.147.132.15]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05EE319267 for ; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 15:11:59 -0500 (EST) Received: from Computer1 [10.10.1.139] by mail.notwires.com with ESMTP (SMTPD32-7.06) id A88F7E1009C; Thu, 28 Mar 2002 14:09:51 -0600 Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed From: William Lamb To: gnome-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0 (Preview Release) Date: 28 Mar 2002 14:16:50 -0600 Message-Id: <1017346610.2871.0.camel@computer1> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is Polish and wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to make a convert to Linux. ;-) I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red Hat 7.2. My problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish characters to work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing between keyboard mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english installed on it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several different word processing programs and I still have not been able to produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters specific to the 8859-2 character set. Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? Thanks very much for your help, Bill Lamb Chicago, USA From nbruguier@gfi.fr Fri Mar 29 03:25:56 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from mail.gfi.fr (mail.gfi.fr [62.210.137.50]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF06818C6B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:25:55 -0500 (EST) Received: from WorldClient [172.16.0.11] by gfi.fr [172.16.0.11] with SMTP (MDaemon.PRO.v5.0.4.R) for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:56 +0100 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:19:52 +0100 From: "NICOLAS BRUGUIER" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome 2 panel X-Mailer: WorldClient 5.0.4 X-MDRemoteIP: 172.16.0.11 X-Return-Path: nbruguier@gfi.fr X-MDaemon-Deliver-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: nbruguier@gfi.fr Message-Id: <20020329082555.DF06818C6B@mail.gnome.org> Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi For several years, i used gnome and recently i make jump to G2. I get and compiled it with cvs code. I would like put a question or to formulate a proposal about panel and it's menu. Why not implemented the menu with gconf instead .desktop files? That to largely improve its configuration for the user. I'll would like too thanks all gnome develloper for theirs excellent and good job. BRUGUIER Nicolas GFI Informatique nbruguier@gfi.fr From Janusz.Gorycki@intel.com Fri Mar 29 03:28:29 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hermes.fm.intel.com (fmr01.intel.com [192.55.52.18]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D77719363 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 03:28:29 -0500 (EST) Received: from talaria.fm.intel.com (talaria.fm.intel.com [10.1.192.39]) by hermes.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: outer.mc,v 1.36 2002/03/11 23:18:46 root Exp $) with ESMTP id g2T8Tf420247 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:41 GMT Received: from fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (fmsmsxv043-1.fm.intel.com [132.233.48.128]) by talaria.fm.intel.com (8.11.6/8.11.6/d: inner.mc,v 1.14 2002/03/05 23:31:08 root Exp $) with SMTP id g2T8TJt11727 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:29:19 GMT Received: from fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM ([132.233.42.29]) by fmsmsxvs043.fm.intel.com (NAVGW 2.5.1.16) with SMTP id M2002032900272302748 ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:27:23 -0800 Received: from alpha.igk.intel.com ([172.28.168.68]) by fmsmsx29.FM.INTEL.COM with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id H39X88B2; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 00:28:17 -0800 Received: by alpha.igk.intel.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id <4L8K2NAM>; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:50 +0100 Message-ID: <413FBB0BA5AED1119122000083234B1A01A459CA@alpha.igk.intel.com> From: "Gorycki, Janusz" To: "'William Lamb'" Cc: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:27:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi, I am Polish and I used to have polish keyboard layout. First of all, there are two types of polish keyboard mappings: "standard", which nobody uses because it is awkward ("ported" from an ancient polish typewriter layout); and "programmer's", which is in common usage. In this mapping you get accented characters by pressing right "Alt" with a character key (a, e, s, c, n, o, l, z, x). I have just tried to reinstantiate polish keyboard on my machine. It is RedHat 7.0, but I don't think the procedure is any different on 7.2. I have noticed that just switching keyboard layout with GKB is not enough. You also have to set the LANG environment variable to pl_PL. As an added bonus, this also sets all your locale to polish (menu texts, dialog boxes, date format etc.) This works for me: 1. switch GKB to polish layout ("plain" polish, not "polish deadkeys" or "polish xkb keymap") - this gives you the "programmer's" layout 2. try running 'LANG=pl_PL emacs' or 'LANG=pl_PL gedit' from the terminal 3. if it works, put 'export LANG=pl_PL' in your './bash_profile' hope this helps marcin > -----Original Message----- > From: William Lamb [mailto:linuxadvocate@notwires.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 9:17 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Foreign Keyboard Help Needed > > > I am trying to setup my girlfriend's father on Linux. He is > Polish and > wants to be able to compose word processing documents in Polish. He > bought a Windows Me computer several months ago and has had a very bad > time with it, so I figured this would be a good chance to > make a convert > to Linux. ;-) > > I have set up the computer with Ximian Gnome running on Red > Hat 7.2. My > problem is that I cannot figure out how to get the Polish > characters to > work. When I installed Red Hat, I checked the box for Polish to be > supported and I know that ISO 8859-2 fonts are installed. I have also > installed the GKB (Gnome KeyBoard) applet for choosing > between keyboard > mappings and I have all 3 Polish keyboards plus US english > installed on > it. I have tried numerous different key combinations in several > different word processing programs and I still have not been able to > produce the dotted z, slashed l or any other characters > specific to the > 8859-2 character set. > > Can someone who uses non-8859-1 character sets tell me how to set this > up and how to produce these characters? What word processing programs > do you use? What are the key combinations you use to produce the > accented characters? Did I miss something in the setup? > > Thanks very much for your help, > > Bill Lamb > Chicago, USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list > From vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua Fri Mar 29 08:16:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (unknown [195.66.192.167]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AAC19407 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 08:16:07 -0500 (EST) Received: from there ([172.16.42.211]) by Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua (8.10.2/8.10.2) with SMTP id g2TD7YX05015; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:08:15 +0200 Message-Id: <200203291308.g2TD7YX05015@Port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1251" From: Denis Vlasenko Reply-To: vda@port.imtp.ilyichevsk.odessa.ua To: stan , GNOME mailing list Subject: Re: Will Gnome _EVER_ be stable? Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 15:06:45 -0200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3.2] References: <20020313180608.GA27152@teddy.fas.com> <1016048283.18426.24.camel@keittlab-6> <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> In-Reply-To: <20020313233802.GE3379@teddy.fas.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I was wandering in my abandoned Gnome folder and... On 13 March 2002 21:38, stan wrote: > "Just Wait For The New Version" Is the same answer I got about 3 to 4 > yeasr agao, when this was routienley hapening :-( > > Sorry folks, thats not a aceptable answer, inless we wish to follow the > lead of out favorite software monoply. > > NTW, this is also ahpening routinely on my FreeBSD machines.. And I > don't have any very exoitic configs, just a _lot_ of them to set back up > every thime. Stan, you even can't bother yourself with clean typing. How many typos are here? A dozen! No wonder you want Gnome developers to fix Gnome bugs but don't bother yourself to collect necessary data for useful report. For people of this type I suggest installing Windows. Or change your type. -- vda From cwlambert76@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 09:14:20 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web14708.mail.yahoo.com (web14708.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.224.125]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2B2C618548 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:14:20 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [64.123.189.37] by web14708.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 PST Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 06:14:19 -0800 (PST) From: Charles Lambert Subject: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... End of /MOTD command. cl1motorsports sets mode +i cl1motorsports You have been killed by sumo.solutionsfirst.net (<- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu])) Closing Link: cl1motorsports[~cl1motors@] (Killed (sumo.solutionsfirst.net (cl1motorsports <- cl1motors[dupe.xcf.berkeley.edu]))) Disconnected (Remote host closed socket). Disconnected (). i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd running(i've managed to learn that much). any help would be greatly appreciated. thanks in advance Charles Lambert __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From plantiful@hotmail.com Fri Mar 29 12:44:36 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f241.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.241]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35291181CA for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:36 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 09:44:35 -0800 Received: from 204.167.104.162 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:44:34 GMT X-Originating-IP: [204.167.104.162] From: "Marc Plante" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 12:44:34 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 29 Mar 2002 17:44:35.0154 (UTC) FILETIME=[63E3C320:01C1D749] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be different). The KDE desktop works just fine. Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells for troubleshooting. Plantiful _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From dachristy@yahoo.com Fri Mar 29 16:12:11 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (scaup.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.49]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C13E180E6 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 16:12:11 -0500 (EST) Received: from 1cust105.tnt2.oberlin.oh.da.uu.net ([67.211.108.105] helo=localhost.localdomain) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16r3fN-00003B-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 From: D Christy To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: gedit not working X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 0.7.4claws7 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 13:12:10 -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: gedit (and other editors have stopped working. When I try to open an existing file gedit reports that the 'file does not exist, do I waish to created it?', However I can use the built in viewer in GMC to view the file. Pico and Nano will open the text files but the contents is garbage. Any Ideas? -- ^----^ (- 0) +---------oo0-(..)-0oo------------------------+ | David Christy || Redhat Linux 7.2 | | http://cyggy.com || Gnome / Sawfish | | dachristy@yahoo.com || Sylpheed Claws 0.7.4 | +---------------------------------------------+ From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri Mar 29 17:00:41 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5C761817B for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 17:00:41 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16r4Rh-0004lK-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2002 22:02:05 +0000 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: i can't get on irc.gnome.org :( Message-ID: <20020329220205.C16573@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <20020329141419.46102.qmail@web14708.mail.yahoo.com>; from cwlambert76@yahoo.com on Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Fri, Mar 29, 2002 at 06:14:19AM -0800 or thereabouts, Charles Lambert wrote: > i keep gettin sent a KILL signal after /MOTD. ... > i'm really new to this irc thing but i do have identd > running(i've managed to learn that much). any help > would be greatly appreciated. Try again. You just happened to pick a really bad time to try to join, I suspect: the irc.acc.umu.se IRC daemon was rebooted and I too had a period of not being able to connect before it would let me back on :) Telsa From Keizi@mail.co.kr Fri Mar 29 21:38:17 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44BE18169 for ; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 21:38:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2U2bcS05077 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:38 +0900 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? Message-ID: <20020330023737.GC5068@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 16 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. my initial code does not stick to panel even, immediately quit after execution. I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string and got some lines of output. I have no data what this result mean. somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. I believe you can build the tarball. I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) thanks. From BobGiesen@earthlink.net Sat Mar 30 02:00:15 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net (pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net [207.217.120.122]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6971F1811E for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 02:00:15 -0500 (EST) Received: from dialup-166.90.68.11.dial1.chicago1.level3.net ([166.90.68.11] helo=there) by pintail.mail.pas.earthlink.net with smtp (Exim 3.33 #1) id 16rCqT-00044H-00; Fri, 29 Mar 2002 23:00:14 -0800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" From: Bob Giesen To: "Marc Plante" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Logout Crash - RH7.1 Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 01:00:07 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.3] References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Friday 29 March 2002 11:44 am, Marc Plante wrote: > I am currently running Red Hat 7.1 on my PII400, 128 Mb RAM. The > problem than I am experiencing is a complete system halt (no mouse, > no keyboard) upon selecting the Logout from the Gnome Main Menu. I > have to turn the power off to restart the system (ctrl-alt keys > have no effect). This has been seen using the Red Hat Gnome and > the Ximian Gnome 1.4 (I was hoping that Ximian's would be > different). > > The KDE desktop works just fine. > > Are there any fixes for this problem? I cannot access any shells > for troubleshooting. You probably already tried this, but just in case you didn't... Did you try to bring up the window manager (Sawfish, fvwm, or whichever one you're using) menu by clicking on the root screen? I've had a similar problem in that Gnome goes totally unresponsive upon logout -- but I've been able to start an xterm via the wm menu and kill gnome-session. -- "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." -- Unknown From kfv101@hotmail.com Sat Mar 30 14:04:45 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from hotmail.com (f120.law12.hotmail.com [64.4.19.120]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E51918480 for ; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:45 -0500 (EST) Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:04:44 -0800 Received: from 128.118.23.139 by lw12fd.law12.hotmail.msn.com with HTTP; Sat, 30 Mar 2002 19:04:43 GMT X-Originating-IP: [128.118.23.139] From: "Kevin Vandersloot" To: Keizi@mail.co.kr, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: note to develop gnome2 applet? Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 14:04:43 -0500 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Message-ID: X-OriginalArrivalTime: 30 Mar 2002 19:04:44.0176 (UTC) FILETIME=[C0B40900:01C1D81D] Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi. Right now there are not any up-to-date documentation for writing GNOME2 applets. The place to first look is in gnome-panel/libpanel-applet/test-bonobo-applet which is a basic implementation of an applet. Regards, Kevin >From: Kang Jeong-Hee >To: gnome-list@gnome.org >Subject: note to develop gnome2 applet? >Date: Sat, 30 Mar 2002 11:37:37 +0900 > >I have a project initialized. http://gramophone.sf.net/ >this will be port of my old gnome1 applet. > >but I cannot find any resources to develop gnome2 applet. >my initial code does not stick to panel even, >immediately quit after execution. > >I tried to command ./exe_file --oaf-activate-iid=proper_string >and got some lines of output. >I have no data what this result mean. > >somebody pliz analyse my initial tarball. >I believe you can build the tarball. >I've made standard gnu build system by struggle to learn autotools. :) > >thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com From Keizi@mail.co.kr Sun Mar 31 10:54:31 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost.localdomain (unknown [211.183.199.181]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC49918491 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 10:54:27 -0500 (EST) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id g2VFrpV06031 for ; Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:51 +0900 Date: Mon, 1 Apr 2002 00:53:49 +0900 From: Kang Jeong-Hee To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: launch applet on command line, not panel menu? Message-ID: <20020331155349.GA6008@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=euc-kr Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 1.3.3 Lines: 9 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi! I've succeed to stick my applet to gnome2 panel. and now, I struggle to make a profit applet :) I wonder if there is a way to launch applet on command line, not panel menu which do not show me output of applet. or is there some file which log whole panel output? you may know what I'm saying. I really need debug info! From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:08:39 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20506.mail.yahoo.com (web20506.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.141]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E909D183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:08:38 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20506.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:08:37 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed on your system? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From beforewisdom@yahoo.com Sun Mar 31 11:12:59 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from web20508.mail.yahoo.com (web20508.mail.yahoo.com [216.136.226.143]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 226FA183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:12:59 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [66.2.146.226] by web20508.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 PST Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 08:12:58 -0800 (PST) From: Steve Subject: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: Hi; I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. There are some things I would like to see. I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make a feature request is? Thanks in advance Steve ===== Steve http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." --Confucius __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover http://greetings.yahoo.com/ From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:20:24 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9419E183DC for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:20:24 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162020.VYVM1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:20:20 +0000 Subject: Re: Feature Requests: Best Place To Make Some? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331161258.10310.qmail@web20508.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:20:11 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591628.1332.2.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: bugzilla.gnome.org Please to make life easy on developers , only make one feature request per bug. Also please try gnome2 snapshots. Alot has changed since gnome 1.4 and your feature may have already been implemented. Gnome2 rocks i must say. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:12, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I've recently given gnome a second chance and I have been very pleased. > > There are some things I would like to see. > > I'm not a gtk developer so I was wondering what the best place to make > a feature request is? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From bordoley@msu.edu Sun Mar 31 11:24:30 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (rwcrmhc54.attbi.com [216.148.227.87]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FB73182D4 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 11:24:30 -0500 (EST) Received: from [192.168.1.108] ([12.245.159.1]) by rwcrmhc54.attbi.com (InterMail vM.4.01.03.27 201-229-121-127-20010626) with ESMTP id <20020331162429.WBEX1214.rwcrmhc54.attbi.com@[192.168.1.108]>; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 16:24:29 +0000 Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? From: David Bordoley To: Steve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Evolution/1.0.2 Date: 31 Mar 2002 11:24:20 -0500 Message-Id: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. dave On Sun, 2002-03-31 at 11:08, Steve wrote: > Hi; > > I looked all over the copy of gnome I am using, I posted to usenet ( > there are groups dedicated to gnome ), and I ran a search on google. > > Is there anyway using gnome, to tell what version of gnome is installed > on your system? > > Thanks in advance > > Steve > > ===== > Steve > http://www.geocities.com/beforewisdom/ > > "It is only the wisest and the most stupid that cannot change." > --Confucius > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Greetings - send holiday greetings for Easter, Passover > http://greetings.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > gnome-list mailing list > gnome-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-list From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Sun Mar 31 12:22:44 2002 Return-Path: Delivered-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (pc2-cwbl4-0-cust9.swa.cable.ntl.com [213.105.254.9]) by mail.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61AC018709 for ; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 12:22:44 -0500 (EST) Received: from hobbit by aloss.ukuu.org.uk with local (Exim 3.22 #1) id 16rj3f-0000hA-00; Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 Date: Sun, 31 Mar 2002 18:23:59 +0100 From: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk To: David Bordoley Cc: Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Version Of Gnome - How To Tell? Message-ID: <20020331182359.D21545@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: David Bordoley , Steve , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <20020331160837.24410.qmail@web20506.mail.yahoo.com> <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <1017591877.1328.8.camel@localhost.localdomain>; from bordoley@msu.edu on Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 Sender: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org Errors-To: gnome-list-admin@gnome.org X-BeenThere: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.8 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: General discussion List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: On Sun, Mar 31, 2002 at 11:24:20AM -0500 or thereabouts, David Bordoley wrote: > There was some talk about this on desktop devel a few weeks ago. There > really isn't a definitive way to determine the version number of gnome, > since gnome is really just a collection of components that have there > own release schedules that are collected to make gnome. But in general > most current distros come with version 1.4. 2.0 is on it's way woohoo. I'd guess that the version number of gnome-core is about as good as you'll get. Telsa