From edmcman@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 16691 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 01:13:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 01:13:52 -0000 Received: from web128.yahoomail.com (web128.yahoomail.com [205.180.60.197]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA09276 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:13:51 -0400 Message-ID: <19990801011409.652.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Received: from [206.152.167.107] by web128.yahoomail.com; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:14:09 PDT Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 18:14:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Ed McMan Subject: Appswitcher gone? To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Well, I'm not quite sure how this happened, but the appswitcher/desktop changer has disappeared (The one in the main gnome bar..) and I can't seem to get it back. Anyone have some suggestions? === From, EdMcMan@m00.net m00net Irc Network http://www.m00.net (irc.m00.net) Penguin power, oh yeah. Bill Gates: Internet Explorer 5 now supports the tag! :) Happy :( Sad }:< Dog face :< Another Dog face }:( Mad :P Sticking tounge out =) Smiling while your sleeping (: backwards Also look at my Linux mailing list, to subscribe point your browser to http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/linux _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From jpg2@cec.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 25298 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 01:18:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 01:18:10 -0000 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA09987 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:18:09 -0400 Received: from hilton.cec.wustl.edu (jpg2@hilton.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.4]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id UAA19788; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:18:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by hilton.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with SMTP id UAA29718; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:18:00 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hilton.cec.wustl.edu: jpg2 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:18:00 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamin Philip Gray Sender: jpg2@cec.wustl.edu To: Ed McMan cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Appswitcher gone? In-Reply-To: <19990801011409.652.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Well, I'm not quite sure how this happened, but the > appswitcher/desktop changer has disappeared (The one > in the main gnome bar..) and I can't seem to get it > back. Anyone have some suggestions? I had something similar happen with gmc. I recently upgraded to the latest gmc rpm (4.5.36-2 I believe). It was running fine for a while. Now it won't start up when I start my session. And why I try to start it manually, it won't either. Explain that to me! Why does the app refuse to start. It doesn't give any error messages. Sometimes it will pop up a dialog asking if I want to cancel or remove the program and giving some long client id. > > === > From, EdMcMan@m00.net > m00net Irc Network http://www.m00.net (irc.m00.net) > Penguin power, oh yeah. > Bill Gates: Internet Explorer 5 now supports the tag! >:) Happy :( Sad }:< Dog face :< Another Dog face }:( Mad >:P Sticking tounge out =) Smiling while your sleeping (: backwards > Also look at my Linux mailing list, to subscribe point your browser to http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/linux > _____________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > ---------------------------------------------------- Jamin Philip Gray jgray@writeme.com http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a bowling ball wouldn't. (Russell Beland, Springfield) From jpg2@cec.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 30921 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 01:20:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 01:20:58 -0000 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10390 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:20:56 -0400 Received: from hilton.cec.wustl.edu (jpg2@hilton.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.4]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id UAA19881; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:20:54 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by hilton.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with SMTP id UAA29801; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:20:51 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hilton.cec.wustl.edu: jpg2 owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 20:20:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamin Philip Gray Sender: jpg2@cec.wustl.edu To: Ed McMan cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Appswitcher gone? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I had something similar happen with gmc. I recently upgraded to the latest > gmc rpm (4.5.36-2 I believe). It was running fine for a while. Now it won't > start up when I start my session. And why I try to start it manually, it ^why^when > won't either. Explain that to me! Why does the app refuse to start. It > doesn't give any error messages. Sometimes it will pop up a dialog asking if > I want to cancel or remove the program and giving some long client id. > > > > > === > > From, EdMcMan@m00.net > > m00net Irc Network http://www.m00.net (irc.m00.net) > > Penguin power, oh yeah. > > Bill Gates: Internet Explorer 5 now supports the tag! > > :) Happy :( Sad }:< Dog face :< Another Dog face }:( Mad > > :P Sticking tounge out =) Smiling while your sleeping (: backwards > > Also look at my Linux mailing list, to subscribe point your browser to http://www.onelist.com/subscribe.cgi/linux > > _____________________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Jamin Philip Gray > jgray@writeme.com > http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ > http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ > > The little boat gently drifted across the pond exactly the way a > bowling ball wouldn't. (Russell Beland, Springfield) > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > ---------------------------------------------------- Jamin Philip Gray jgray@writeme.com http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ I will be near you when you cry if just to say I sympathize and when it's more than you can take I'll watch the tears fall from your eyes --MoRTAL From ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 12291 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 01:30:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 01:30:24 -0000 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (root@perio.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.16.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA11791 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:30:21 -0400 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (slip03.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.0.203]) by perio.unlp.edu.ar (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04999; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:10:14 GMT Message-ID: <37A321EA.F86ADD5A@perio.unlp.edu.ar> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 13:18:50 -0300 From: "Sergio A. Kessler" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington CC: "jack wallen, jr" , gnome list Subject: Re: Gtk-CRITICAL error References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > > > > Gtk-CRITCAL **:file gtkwidget.c: line 1592 (gtk_widget_map): assertion > > 'GTK_WDGET_VISIBLE (widget) == TRUE' failed. > > > > What program causes this? Or is it from .xsession-errors? Someone posted a patch to also print the name of the program in this cases, *PLEASE*, apply it. Sergio From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 18005 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 01:46:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 01:46:18 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA12235 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:46:18 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA17816 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 21:46:23 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: Hands up for a Bug-a-Thon Date: 1 Aug 1999 01:46:23 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 26 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933471983 17815 207.175.42.154 (1 Aug 1999 01:46:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 1999 01:46:23 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 30 Jul 1999 21:07:32 -0400, James Green wrote: >Elliot touched on bugs in his document on the GNOME-1.0.50 release >proposals. I think we should do what Mozilla.org is doing and that is run >a Bug-a-Thon! > >I haven't seen bugs.gnome.org in quite a while, but last time I looked, >there were plenty of old, irrelevant bugs listed. > >Maybe if RHAD or someone bought up some prizes like Copyleft mugs and >t-shirts for the ten people who closed the most bugs that are no longer >relevant we'd have a competition even most end-users could help with. >I for one have been feeling rather less than helpful since I don't have >the time to learn GNOME internals and code out those bugs, and I guess >there must be others like me who'd love to lend a hand. It's nice that someone else is thinking about getting the bugs fixed. However, we do need to check that bugs have been fixed before closing them as irrelevant. This is where people who don't know the internals can be the most helpful - keeping an up-to-date list of bugs is no easy task. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 6923 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 03:40:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 03:40:11 -0000 Received: from dhcpd13.redhat.com (hp@dhcpd13.redhat.com [207.175.43.141]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00803 for ; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:40:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by dhcpd13.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA18072; Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:38:48 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dhcpd13.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 31 Jul 1999 23:38:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington To: "Sergio A. Kessler" cc: "jack wallen, jr" , gnome list Subject: Re: Gtk-CRITICAL error In-Reply-To: <37A321EA.F86ADD5A@perio.unlp.edu.ar> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > Someone posted a patch to also print the name of the program in this > cases, *PLEASE*, apply it. > I already can't find it, but I do remember seeing it. In any case this patch has to go via gtk-devel-list@redhat.com before it can be applied; most likely the GLib maintainers won't even see it if it went by on this list (and I think it did...) Havoc From dave@dccs.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 22621 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 04:50:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 04:50:51 -0000 Received: from term1.dccs.com.au (root@davidc1.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.52.223]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA07279 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:50:46 -0400 Received: from term1.dccs.com.au (dave@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by term1.dccs.com.au (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id OAA32482; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:50:42 +1000 Sender: dave@dccs.com.au To: "jack wallen, jr" Cc: gnome list Subject: Re: Gtk-CRITICAL error References: From: Dave Cole Date: 01 Aug 1999 14:50:42 +1000 In-Reply-To: Havoc Pennington's message of "Sat, 31 Jul 1999 12:46:05 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 1592 (gtk_widget_map): assertion `GTK_WIDGET_VISIBLE (widget) == TRUE' failed. I have been a bit slack in not reporting this error too. I have some code that generates this error 100% of the time. I will have a look later today to see if I can build a small test program to demonstrate how to make it happen. I have a pretty good idea what is causing it, but would like to build the test program before wasting everybody's time. I have always posted test programs to demonstrate bugs I have found. The previous test program has not generated any real response yet... - Dave From dax@gurulabs.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 14545 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 06:43:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 06:43:02 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA25125 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 02:43:01 -0400 Received: (qmail 22552 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 06:42:59 -0000 Received: from brookie.inconnect.com (209.140.64.23) by mail with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 06:42:59 -0000 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:42:59 -0600 (MDT) From: Dax Kelson X-Sender: dkelson@brookie.inconnect.com To: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [ANNOUNCE] Updated RPMS 8/1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/contrib-rpms New additions: gnome-media-1.0.9.1 gnome-utils-1.0.12 gnome-pim-1.0.9 gnome-core-1.0.9 I built these on a RedHat 6.0 box (glibc 2.1), so if you have RedHat 5.x (glibc2.0) you might want to get the SRPM file instead and do: rpm --rebuild SRPMFILE, and then: rpm -Uvh /usr/src/redhat/RPMS/i386/NEWRPMFILE(s) As always, the SRPMS are at: ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/contrib-rpms/SRPMS Dax Kelson Guru Labs From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 15801 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 07:38:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 07:38:33 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA28825 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 03:38:32 -0400 Received: from fwd01.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.161]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11AqCV-0008EP-00; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:38:31 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.213]) by fwd01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:38:23 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00748 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:16:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:16:37 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME plans (--> mail clients) Message-ID: <19990801001637.A744@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Per Erik Stendahl on Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 10:55:26PM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 10:55:26PM +0200 +++ Per Erik Stendahl e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Augusto Cesar Radtke wrote: > > > > > > - simple and easy to use > > For whom? The novice, the advanced user, or both? > Software nowadays seems to be solely directed at novice > users and not to me. :-) May I shamelessly plug for my LinuxToday editorial on this? Programs can be both novice-friendly and expert-friendly. Of course that means some work. mawa -- >From the Fool File: Bonus! The lack of multitasking is one of the most important reasons why DOS destroyed Unix in the marketplace. -- Scott Nudds From norman@arcady.u-net.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 5561 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 11:59:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 11:59:55 -0000 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA11700 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 07:59:55 -0400 Received: from p104.nas2.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.196.232] helo=arcady.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11AvBN-0006p1-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:57:41 +0000 Received: from arcady.u-net.com (arcady.u-net.com [127.0.0.2]) by arcady.u-net.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA16859 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:54:49 GMT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:54:49 +0100 (BST) From: Norman Stevens To: gnome list Subject: Re: Gtk-CRITICAL error In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Sergio A. Kessler wrote: > > > > Someone posted a patch to also print the name of the program in this > > cases, *PLEASE*, apply it. > > > > I already can't find it, but I do remember seeing it. In any case this > patch has to go via gtk-devel-list@redhat.com before it can be applied; > most likely the GLib maintainers won't even see it if it went by on this > list (and I think it did...) > g_get_prgname sometimes returns NULL so you'll need the following line in the patch. prgname = g_get_prgname (); + if (prgname == NULL) prgname = "unknown"; Norman From fantamos@excite.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 17718 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 12:20:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 12:20:14 -0000 Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA12987 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:20:12 -0400 Received: from almond.excite.com ([198.3.99.227]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990801121950.HWMD296.kuku@almond.excite.com> for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 05:19:50 -0700 From: "Matt Craun" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-linuxconf abrubtly terminates Message-Id: <933509990.5054.441@excite.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 05:19:50 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 208.197.122.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Hi, when I use gnome linuxconf to mount a floppy, it seems to terminate when it trys to mount. When I try to add a user account it freezes and forces me to reboot the computer. I am using E 15.5 and gnome package that came with redhat 6.0 I had to hit him -- he was starting to make sense. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 32467 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 15:11:13 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou3.iglou.com [192.107.41.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA23635 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:11:13 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.157] (helo=lou-ts4-5.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11AweZ-0000wi-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 10:31:59 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:34:36 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: needing information Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey gang, i'm writing an article for TechRepublic about necessary updates for gnome and was wondering if anyone has an idea where i can get a description of what individual packages actually do. for instance: what does gnome-core do? i can make my educated guess but i'd rather have either 'quotables' or 'documentables'. i've looked through the gnome help system and couldn't find anything on what the 'core packages' do. if anyone could help i'd greatly appreciate it! thanks in advance. J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- Homer: I don't want you to see me sitting on my worthless butt. Bart: We've seen it, Dad. Homer at the Bat From jpg2@cec.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 10541 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 15:27:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 15:27:06 -0000 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24669 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:27:06 -0400 Received: from hilton.cec.wustl.edu (jpg2@hilton.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.4]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id KAA14286 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:27:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by hilton.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with SMTP id KAA08308 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:27:01 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hilton.cec.wustl.edu: jpg2 owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:27:01 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamin Philip Gray Sender: jpg2@cec.wustl.edu To: gnome mailing list Subject: gnumeric 0.31 won't start Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [jamin 10:26:36]~>gnumeric Cannot read file /home/jamin/.gnome/fonts/fontmap : gzopen failed: No such file or directory Cannot read file /usr/share/fonts/fontmap : gzopen failed: Permission denied ** WARNING **: gnome_font_new_closest: font family Helvetica not found ** ERROR **: Could not load the default font aborting... Abort (core dumped) any ideas? ---------------------------------------------------- Jamin Philip Gray jgray@writeme.com http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ I've lost my mind. I'm not sure I want to find it. I'd rather find the mind of someone else who lost his. Mine was never all that great as I remember. --Jamin Gray From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 27585 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 17:00:37 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31072 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:00:37 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA21968 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:00:42 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: needing information Date: 1 Aug 1999 17:00:42 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 24 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933526842 21940 207.175.42.154 (1 Aug 1999 17:00:42 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 1999 17:00:42 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 1 Aug 1999 11:11:59 -0400, jack wallen, jr wrote: >where i can get a description of >what individual packages actually do. Looking in the source tree, reading the description that is in the .rpm (spec files are included with the source trees). >for instance: what does gnome-core >do? i can make my educated guess but i'd rather have either 'quotables' or >'documentables'. i've looked through the gnome help system and couldn't >find anything on what the 'core packages' do. Interesting subdirectories in gnome-core source tree: help-browser: help-browser panel: panel applets: applets gmenu: menu editor gnome-terminal: gnome-terminal gsm: GNOME session manager -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 31502 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 17:03:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 17:03:26 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31236 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:03:26 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:02:55 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (hil-qbu-ppu-vty40.as.wcom.net [209.154.55.40]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id NAA27496; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:02:48 -0400 (EDT) To: James Green Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel widget as library? References: From: Jacob Berkman Date: 01 Aug 1999 13:12:07 -0400 In-Reply-To: James Green's message of "Sat, 31 Jul 1999 01:43:12 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <87zp0bfms8.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" James Green writes: > Here's what I would like: Make the desktop a directory served up by two > distinct methods: > > 1. a web page rendered by a mozilla object served by a file or httpd (so > we can use includes for when we have net connections); basic filesystem > functionality intact such as (g)mc functionality; > > 2. a bonoba object which might look a lot like the above, but with > embedded objects from varous gnome-aware apps to say have a spreadsheet > from gnumeric pop up in the desktop or whatever. (Although my intention wasn't exactly active desktop...) If you have a bonobo desktop then you can have one rendered via html for free (well after a bonobo-ized mozilla). Otherwise you can have one done by whatever you like, if there isn't an html requirement. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 5541 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 17:12:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 17:12:48 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA31901 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:12:43 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.81] (ip81.ifx.net [206.25.218.81]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA05116 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:10:07 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908011810.OAA05116@home.ifx.net> Subject: manpage for esd Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:12:29 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Somebody on IRC just pointed out that esd has no manpage. Anybody with a GNOME machine handy (mine is in transit) want to hack one up quickly? Also for any other apps that are more of services gnome uses rather than end-user apps, those should also have manpages... like gnome-session... -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From kervin@mindspring.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 6211 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 18:08:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 18:08:59 -0000 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02261 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:08:58 -0400 Received: from fit.edu (user-37kas0d.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.112.13]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA30892 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:08:58 -0400 (EDT) Sender: kervin@mindspring.com Message-ID: <37A48DB1.1061E492@fit.edu> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:10:57 -0400 From: Kervin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: small desktop menu suggestion Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there, 1) right clicking on the desktop brings up a menu; can a "properties" item to added that would start control center? The "configure background image" starts control center, but I think it might be more intuitive to have a "properties" item, then the user can do right-click->properties->configure-background-image, or right-click->properties->configure-screensaver, or right-click->properties->configure-mime, or etc... 2)The "User Interface Options" capplet in control-center is very, very slow to load on my machine (p350, RH6.0, gnome-lib 1.0.12, gnome-core 1.0.9). It runs fine, but it just takes about 20+ secs to appear after being selected. Can control center include something to say a capplet is loading (progress bar, text message, etc.)? thanks, bye, Kervin From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 15728 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 18:22:06 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03213; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:22:03 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA14934; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:18:48 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:18:48 -0500 Message-Id: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnu-announce@gnu.org Subject: Call for constructive user criticism. X-Info: When in doubt, blame the network Hello guys, So there I was, watching Animal Planet with a special issue on Bonobos. Interesting documentary, and it ocurred to me: How can we make GNOME so simple that even a Bonobo could use it? Here is what we need: 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see in GNOME: a. To make the interface easier. b. To make it more intuitive to people. c. To make the system more consistent. d. To make the system "nicer". e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. f. To improve the documentation of GNOME. 2. A team coordinator that would compile and maintain all of these ideas and comments. He would need to provide a document on the web to allow the developers to address those usability issues. 3. We need people to coordinate with this person. 4. We need the first draft to evolve "naturally". This means, there is no need to wait for years to get the perfect document done. Get a draft out in two days and keep updating it. It does not need to address everything at the beginning and it can change from day to day. * On the document We would like this document to include precise steps on what can be done to achieve a certain goal. For example, saying "Make it easy" on the document will be a very difficult thing to implement or to guess what it does. The more concrete you can be, the better. For example "Change XXX in the YYY location to do ZZZZ instead of JJJJJ; I think this can be done by hacking a piece of code here and there and integrating there" would be excellent. * On Consistency: The thing that bothers me is that we have for example two ways of "docking" applications in GNOME: on the Desktop and on the Panel. We have various ways of printing: with the print applet or with the print toy-lette. Is this a problem? Do people mind? Or do people applaud this duality? * On usability We want to make existing users of Mac, Windows and Next feel confortable with a Unix-based system and feel productive and feel like they are using the best tools out there. So they can go with their friends and honestly say "Your proprietary system is ancient; Not only ancient but complex, I use GNOME at home". You get the idea. * Coordination The coordintion can take place in gnome-list@gnome.org, or in the gnome-gui-list@gnome.org. For documentation related issues, you can contact Dave (dcm@redhat.com) directly, he is coordinating the GNOME documentation effort. * Notes We can not do big interface "leaps" quickly, but we can try. We are certainly interested in things that would be more consistent in the short term as well. Best wishes, Miguel. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 26673 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 18:38:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 18:38:39 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04386; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:38:38 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-23.powerisp.com [199.105.137.23]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA26535; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:38:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A493A6.B8AE5EB4@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 13:36:22 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel de Icaza CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnu-announce@gnu.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > Hello guys, > > So there I was, watching Animal Planet with a special issue on > Bonobos. Interesting documentary, and it ocurred to me: How can we > make GNOME so simple that even a Bonobo could use it? > > Here is what we need: > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: > > a. To make the interface easier. > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > c. To make the system more consistent. > d. To make the system "nicer". > e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. > f. To improve the documentation of GNOME. > > 2. A team coordinator that would compile and maintain all of these > ideas and comments. He would need to provide a document on the > web to allow the developers to address those usability issues. > > 3. We need people to coordinate with this person. > > 4. We need the first draft to evolve "naturally". This means, > there is no need to wait for years to get the perfect document > done. Get a draft out in two days and keep updating it. It > does not need to address everything at the beginning and it can > change from day to day. > > * On the document > > We would like this document to include precise steps on what can be > done to achieve a certain goal. > > For example, saying "Make it easy" on the document will be a very > difficult thing to implement or to guess what it does. > > The more concrete you can be, the better. For example "Change XXX > in the YYY location to do ZZZZ instead of JJJJJ; I think this can be > done by hacking a piece of code here and there and integrating there" > would be excellent. > > * On Consistency: > > The thing that bothers me is that we have for example two ways of > "docking" applications in GNOME: on the Desktop and on the Panel. We > have various ways of printing: with the print applet or with the print > toy-lette. > > Is this a problem? Do people mind? Or do people applaud this > duality? > > * On usability > > We want to make existing users of Mac, Windows and Next feel > confortable with a Unix-based system and feel productive and feel like > they are using the best tools out there. So they can go with their > friends and honestly say "Your proprietary system is ancient; Not only > ancient but complex, I use GNOME at home". You get the idea. > > > * Coordination > > The coordintion can take place in gnome-list@gnome.org, or in the > gnome-gui-list@gnome.org. > > For documentation related issues, you can contact Dave > (dcm@redhat.com) directly, he is coordinating the GNOME documentation > effort. > > * Notes > > We can not do big interface "leaps" quickly, but we can try. We > are certainly interested in things that would be more consistent in > the short term as well. > > Best wishes, > Miguel. Well, I am willing to work on this project, in any facility, even the coordination position, and have plenty of time to donate to this project. I for one believe that GNOME definately needs this :-). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From hitch@erols.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 30606 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 18:44:07 -0000 Received: from smtp4.erols.com (smtp4.erols.com [207.172.3.237]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04765 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:44:07 -0400 Received: from cybermail.net (216-164-128-225.s225.tnt1.lnhva.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.128.225]) by smtp4.erols.com (8.8.8/smtp-v1) with ESMTP id OAA20695; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:43:42 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hitch@erols.com Message-ID: <37A49550.94D4F3B0@cybermail.net> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 14:43:28 -0400 From: "Hitchhiker [Christopher Sanner]" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel de Icaza , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit on the documentation front, there are some things I just can't seem to find ANYWHERE. Some basic things that seem like the natural uses for certain applications. eg., gnomecal has options to set a calendar entry to private, public, or (something else). How is this useful? there is no documentation that I can find that explains it. we should have a repository for this kind of thing, sort of a per-application faq. EsounD is another biggie. I would LOVE to have SOME kind of documentation for it. But the web page seems bereft of anything USEFUL. the code itself is unhelpful to someone who just wants a few small questions answered. is there anything we can do about this? maybe something along the lines of CVS for documentation, where people submit bits and pieces as the questions come up and are answered and then the whole thing is included in the next release? if nothing else this would put something USEFUL under the "help" menu option other than who wrote it. thanks for taking the time to read this! -- _____________________________________________ Christopher Sanner Work E-Mail: csanner@winstar.com Winstar Telecommunications Personal E-mail: hitchhiker@cybermail.net Work Phone: (703) 889-6786 Work Fax: (703) 889-6777 The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true. - Neils Bohr From Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 61 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 18:47:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 18:47:29 -0000 Received: from tux.w3.org (veillard@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA05017 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:47:29 -0400 Received: (from veillard@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA07973; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:47:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:47:20 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: "James M. Cape" Cc: Miguel de Icaza , gnome-list@gnome.org, gnu-announce@gnu.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Message-ID: <19990801144720.A7949@w3.org> Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <37A493A6.B8AE5EB4@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: <37A493A6.B8AE5EB4@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:36:22PM -0500 Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C http://www.w3.org/) > > We can not do big interface "leaps" quickly, but we can try. We > > are certainly interested in things that would be more consistent in > > the short term as well. > > Well, I am willing to work on this project, in any facility, even the > coordination position, and have plenty of time to donate to this > project. I for one believe that GNOME definately needs this :-). > > Jim Cape > http://www.jcinteractive.com My small contribution for a "Web" section: http://rpmfind.net/veillard/GnomeWeb.html Daniel -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : Tel: +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, Fax: +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 19133 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:02:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:02:23 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06013; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:02:21 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA15096; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:58:58 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:58:58 -0500 Message-Id: <199908011858.NAA15096@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: jcape@jcinteractive.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnu-announce@gnu.org In-reply-to: <37A493A6.B8AE5EB4@jcinteractive.com> (jcape@jcinteractive.com) Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. X-Quote: If at first you don't succeed, redefine success. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <37A493A6.B8AE5EB4@jcinteractive.com> Hello guys, Jim Cape is going to be acting as the coordinator for this project of upgrading the GNOME user interface to be extraordinaire. His email address is: jcape@jcinteractive.com Best wishes, MIguel. From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 32499 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:16:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:16:22 -0000 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.159]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06830 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:16:21 -0400 Received: from dialin153.zdv.uni-mainz.de (root@dialin453.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.175.153]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA16662 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:16:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by dialin153.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id VAA27508 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:16:02 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: not-for-mail From: Paul Seelig Newsgroups: local.gnome Subject: Ted-2.5 is out Date: 01 Aug 1999 21:15:59 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Lines: 18 Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87lnbvnwgg.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Server-Date: 1 Aug 1999 19:16:02 GMT X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" See "http://linuxpr.com/releases/201.html". Ted 2.5 is an easy to run and easy to install Rich Text Processor for Linux/Unix released under the Gnu Public License. The most remarkable part of the announcement was: Future developments of Ted will include the support of more languages and scripts, more features to control the vertical layout of the text, and probably a move from the Motif widget set to GTK. Sounds good, doesn't it? Cheers, P. *8^) -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- From mperry@tsoft.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 1394 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:17:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:17:27 -0000 Received: from shell.tsoft.com (root@shell.tsoft.com [198.144.192.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06914 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:17:26 -0400 Received: from mperry.ppp.tsoft.com (root@mperry.ppp.tsoft.com [198.144.207.221]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04041 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mperry@localhost) by mperry.ppp.tsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01905 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:15:59 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:15:59 -0700 From: Michael Perry To: Gnome List Subject: latest redhat 6 rpms for gnome-core from ftp.gurulabs.com Message-ID: <19990801121559.A1890@tsoft.com> Reply-To: Michael Perry Mail-Followup-To: Gnome List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i I am encountering the following error when attempting to apply the latest rpm files from the gurulabs ftp site. I have forwarded this on to Dax but am hoping that someone else has solved this particular problem since I would like to upgrade to the newest gnome-core. warning: /etc/sound/events/panel.soundlist saved as /etc/sound/events/panel.soundlist.rpmsave gnome-core ################################################## free list corrupt (5669704)- contact rpm-list@redhat.com This prohibits gnome-core from loading properly. If I rpm -q against gnome-core, I am still at the 1.07 level. Thanks. -- Michael Perry - No one can give you wiser advice mperry@tsoft.com .o O than yourself" -Cicero ' Gnome: at www.gnome.org "Happiness is a state of foot!" From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 5421 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:22:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:22:24 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07249; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:22:24 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.105] (helo=lou-ts5-91.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11B1Bc-0004o9-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:22:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:25:51 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: Miguel de Icaza cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnu-announce@gnu.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII when you say a team of *users* do these *users* have to be developers? if not i would be interested in being one of these *users* J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- It could be one of these chemicals here that makes him so smart. Lisa, maybe you should try some of this. -- Homer Simpson Bart The Genius From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 7046 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:23:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:23:19 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07343 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:23:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id PAA29398; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:23:11 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:23:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Kervin cc: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Critical error with gnomeicu In-Reply-To: <37A32AA2.93A7B397@fit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Kervin wrote: > > I got the same error; I recently installed gnome-lib 1.0.12 and core > 1.0.9. > recompiling gnomeicu solved my problem. > > PS. I lost all my contacts (good thing I backuped up), even though I > didn't touch my ~/.icq directory. > I think the contacts are actually contained in the ~/.gnome/GnomeICU file. I've found that file go to 0k in the past and I've lost my history... when I coppied that file from a backed up ~/.gnome directory I got it back. --Ben PS I think this behavior of the contact file dissapearing has been fixed by the recent version. > later, > Kervin > > "William F. Maton" wrote: > > > > In trying to start gnomeicu, the following happens: > > > > ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 718 (giop_recv_buffer_unuse): > > assertion `buffer != NULL' failed. > > > > ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 465 (giop_send_buffer_unuse): > > assertion `send_buffer != NULL' failed. > > type = 2 exid = IDL:CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 > > > > ** CRITICAL **: file applet-widget.c: line 741 (applet_widget_new): > > assertion `corbadat!=NULL' failed. > > > > ** ERROR **: Can't create applet! > > > > aborting... > > > > --- > > > > If gnomeicu is started with the '-a' option, then it starts properly. > > > > wfms > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From chmouel@mandrakesoft.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 9002 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:26:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:26:02 -0000 Received: from mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (root@mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com [216.71.84.35]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07556 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:26:01 -0400 Received: from vador.mandrakesoft.com ([62.161.233.234]) by mandrakesoft.mandrakesoft.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id OAA24051; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:24:30 -0500 Received: (from chmou@localhost) by vador.mandrakesoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3/Chmouel/SMTP) id VAA11991; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:24:13 +0200 To: Michael Perry Cc: Gnome List Subject: Re: latest redhat 6 rpms for gnome-core from ftp.gurulabs.com References: <19990801121559.A1890@tsoft.com> X-no-archive: yes From: Chmouel Boudjnah Date: 01 Aug 1999 21:24:13 +0200 In-Reply-To: Michael Perry's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:15:59 -0700" Message-ID: <87oggr2tk2.fsf@vador.mandrakesoft.com> Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070084 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.84) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Michael Perry writes: > I am encountering the following error when attempting to apply the latest > rpm files from the gurulabs ftp site. I have forwarded this on to Dax but > am hoping that someone else has solved this particular problem since I would > like to upgrade to the newest gnome-core. > > warning: /etc/sound/events/panel.soundlist saved as > /etc/sound/events/panel.soundlist.rpmsave > gnome-core ################################################## > free list corrupt (5669704)- contact rpm-list@redhat.com > > This prohibits gnome-core from loading properly. If I rpm -q against > gnome-core, I am still at the 1.07 level. -# rpm --rebuilddb -# rpm -U gnome*7*rpm -- Chmouel From jwise@pathwaynet.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 10901 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:28:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:28:41 -0000 Received: from uruguay.pathwaynet.com (exim@uruguay.pathwaynet.com [216.46.203.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07735 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:28:40 -0400 Received: from [216.46.192.48] (helo=p192-48.gv.pathwaynet.com) by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11B1Hi-0000kE-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:28:38 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:28:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Wise X-Sender: jwise@speedy.wise To: Ben Frantzdale cc: Kervin , wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Critical error with gnomeicu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Which version of GnomeICU is this occuring with? I've not seen the error, though I'm just now upgrading to gnome-core 1.0.9. If gnomeicu 0.65 has these problems with the latest Gnome (libs/core), I'll look into it. Sincerely, Jeremy Wise +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeremy Wise Make every effort to enter | | jwise@pathwaynet.com through the narrow door, | | ICQ #4664755 because many, I tell you, | | http://www.pathwaynet.com/~jwise will try to enter and will | | http://gnomeicu.gdev.net/ not be able to. (Luke 13:24) | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, Kervin wrote: > > > > > I got the same error; I recently installed gnome-lib 1.0.12 and core > > 1.0.9. > > recompiling gnomeicu solved my problem. > > > > PS. I lost all my contacts (good thing I backuped up), even though I > > didn't touch my ~/.icq directory. > > > > I think the contacts are actually contained in the ~/.gnome/GnomeICU file. > I've found that file go to 0k in the past and I've lost my history... when > I coppied that file from a backed up ~/.gnome directory I got it back. > > --Ben > > PS > I think this behavior of the contact file dissapearing has been fixed by > the recent version. > > > > > later, > > Kervin > > > > "William F. Maton" wrote: > > > > > > In trying to start gnomeicu, the following happens: > > > > > > ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 718 (giop_recv_buffer_unuse): > > > assertion `buffer != NULL' failed. > > > > > > ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 465 (giop_send_buffer_unuse): > > > assertion `send_buffer != NULL' failed. > > > type = 2 exid = IDL:CORBA/COMM_FAILURE:1.0 > > > > > > ** CRITICAL **: file applet-widget.c: line 741 (applet_widget_new): > > > assertion `corbadat!=NULL' failed. > > > > > > ** ERROR **: Can't create applet! > > > > > > aborting... > > > > > > --- > > > > > > If gnomeicu is started with the '-a' option, then it starts properly. > > > > > > wfms > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 20856 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:42:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:42:54 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA08577 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:42:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 20121 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 19:43:23 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:43:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 20586 invoked by uid 501); 1 Aug 1999 19:43:21 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14244.41455.834340.984999@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: > > a. To make the interface easier. > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > c. To make the system more consistent. > d. To make the system "nicer". > e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. I'm not sure that *users* know what to ask for. I don't think that anecdotal evidence is the best way to improve a UI. Probably the best thing to do would be to find a University with a good HCI department (U. Toronto comes to mind) and "partner" with them. Partnering is good, because it is marketing buzzword #45. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 7093 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 19:52:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:52:56 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA09476 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:52:54 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.105] (helo=lou-ts5-91.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11B1f6-0007Wt-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:52:49 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:56:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com cc: Miguel de Icaza , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <14244.41455.834340.984999@desk.crynwr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII but don't you think since the *users* of gnome are the target - you would want to know what they are looking for? there are users out there (i like to think of myself as such) who know what to look for in a user interface. this has come from using a great many of them and knowing what works and what doesn't. maybe my skills as a developer are null but i think having opinions from every side of the coin helps. and why would you want to cut yourself off from end user opinion? that's a very Microsoftian philosophy - in my opinion. anyway...not cutting down anyone's ideas. i just think that too often the *user's* voice is ignored. many times on this list (gnome-list that is) i get ignored - be it question or suggestion or announcement of a topic i am writing about. (if the gnome-list is strictly for devs let me know and i'll gladly jump ship ;-) ). just my .02. On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 nelson-gnome@crynwr.com wrote: > Miguel de Icaza writes: > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > > in GNOME: > > > > a. To make the interface easier. > > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > > c. To make the system more consistent. > > d. To make the system "nicer". > > e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. > > I'm not sure that *users* know what to ask for. I don't think that > anecdotal evidence is the best way to improve a UI. Probably the best > thing to do would be to find a University with a good HCI department > (U. Toronto comes to mind) and "partner" with them. Partnering is > good, because it is marketing buzzword #45. > > -- > -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- This is the greatest thrill of my life! I'm king of the world! Wooo, wooo! Wooo, wooo! -- Homer Simpson Bart The Daredevil From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:13 2000 Received: (qmail 11028 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 20:00:48 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09998 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:00:48 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11B1mo-000DmX-0A for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:00:46 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA04359; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:59:49 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <14244.41455.834340.984999@desk.crynwr.com> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 01 Aug 1999 20:59:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 0 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 15262 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 20:04:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 20:04:47 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10203 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:04:46 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11B1qd-000PgZ-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:04:44 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA04374; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:03:59 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <14244.41455.834340.984999@desk.crynwr.com> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 01 Aug 1999 21:02:54 +0100 In-Reply-To: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:43:20 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 12 nelson-gnome@crynwr.com writes: > I'm not sure that *users* know what to ask for. I don't think that > anecdotal evidence is the best way to improve a UI. Probably the > best thing to do would be to find a University with a good HCI > department (U. Toronto comes to mind) and "partner" with them. > Partnering is good, because it is marketing buzzword #45. I agree that a partnership would be good. Why not go for the University of Michigan, in the form of the Linux/UNIX Independent Group for Usability Information, , which might have been created for this sort of thing? From tromey@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 15923 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 20:05:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 20:05:44 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10228; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:05:43 -0400 Received: from ferrule.cygnus.com. (ferrule.cygnus.com [205.180.230.166]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA15245; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:05:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ferrule.cygnus.com. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA16443; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:05:41 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:05:41 -0700 Message-Id: <199908012005.NAA16443@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Tom Tromey To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnu-announce@gnu.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> X-Zippy: I'm RELIGIOUS!! I love a man with a HAIRPIECE!! Equip me with MISSILES!! X-Attribution: Tom Miguel> The thing that bothers me is that we have for example two ways Miguel> of "docking" applications in GNOME: on the Desktop and on the Miguel> Panel. We have various ways of printing: with the print Miguel> applet or with the print toy-lette. Miguel> Is this a problem? Do people mind? Or do people applaud this Miguel> duality? I think it is a problem if we have to write the code twice. One solution would be to use a single docking interface. Then we can write applets one way, and choose whether to dock on the panel or on the desktop dynamically. We could even drag-n-drop between them. Tom From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 30589 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 20:25:36 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11554 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:25:35 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:25:25 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (chi-qbu-nvb-vty60.as.wcom.net [216.192.162.60]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id QAA29742; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:24:20 -0400 (EDT) To: Tom Tromey Cc: Miguel de Icaza , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <199908012005.NAA16443@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 01 Aug 1999 16:33:40 -0400 In-Reply-To: Tom Tromey's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:05:41 -0700" Message-ID: <87g123ckbf.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 24 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" Tom Tromey writes: > Miguel> The thing that bothers me is that we have for example two ways > Miguel> of "docking" applications in GNOME: on the Desktop and on the > Miguel> Panel. We have various ways of printing: with the print > Miguel> applet or with the print toy-lette. > > Miguel> Is this a problem? Do people mind? Or do people applaud this > Miguel> duality? > > I think it is a problem if we have to write the code twice. > One solution would be to use a single docking interface. Then we can > write applets one way, and choose whether to dock on the panel or on > the desktop dynamically. We could even drag-n-drop between them. This was the thought behind my post a few days ago about splitting the panel-widget part of the panel into a library. I am all for a common applet interface/widget, instead of 2 (or more). (gmc with mini-commander widgets inside of the windows?) Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 15953 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 20:53:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 20:53:11 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12907; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 16:53:10 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom3-065.telepath.com [216.14.3.65]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA12802; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:53:01 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37A4B4C8.6AC9E08A@telepath.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:57:44 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Miguel de Icaza CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Here is what we need: Users use rpms or other such tools to install, they (me) don't understand all the scattered files that dot the many directories like weeds in a garden. 1. Gnome needs to improve the (install process | upgrade process) there are to many small files / libraries that break one another it seems like when you up grade one program You have to up grade another library or two. After that you find some other program is broken. You can not back out what you just done because of newly created dependencies. 2. Gnome developers need to stop stepping on one another set something as stable base library combine that into one binary. All programs should be built against the stable base or core. > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: The interface is fine for now. Make the system very very stable first. Last I tried to look through the bugs data base, there was more than 400 bugs over 60 days old. Perhaps a week or two of bug clean up first. Usability does not mean shit if the system is full of bugs. I would be glad to try and help with bug clean up If I knew where the stable edge was, and could get my copy of the gnome interface on some sort of even keel. Sorry I just had to Rant / Vent Dennis Lee From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 25153 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 21:11:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:11:11 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA13954 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:11:11 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23275 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:11:15 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Date: 1 Aug 1999 21:11:12 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 41 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <37A4B4C8.6AC9E08A@telepath.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933541872 23258 207.175.42.154 (1 Aug 1999 21:11:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 1 Aug 1999 21:11:12 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 1 Aug 1999 16:53:31 -0400, Dennis Lee wrote: >Miguel de Icaza wrote: > >> Here is what we need: > >Users use rpms or other such tools to install, they (me) don't >understand all the scattered files that dot the many directories like >weeds in a garden. > >1. Gnome needs to improve the (install process | upgrade process) there >are to many small files / libraries that break one another it seems like >when you up grade one program You have to up grade another library or >two. After that you find some other program is broken. You can not back >out what you just done because of newly created dependencies. There's not going to be a gnome-1.0.x-1.i386.rpm, if that's what you want - it's a maintainance nightmare. Scripts to make the install easier would be nice, though. >2. Gnome developers need to stop stepping on one another set something >as stable base library combine that into one binary. All programs should >be built against the stable base or core. Not sure what you're recommending here. Everyone _is_ using the same gnome-libs API/ABI... >> 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see >> in GNOME: > >The interface is fine for now. Make the system very very stable first. > >Last I tried to look through the bugs data base, there was more than 400 >bugs over 60 days old. > >Perhaps a week or two of bug clean up first. Perhaps you missed my post about working toward GNOME 1.0.50? :-) Bear in mind that some of those bugs are obsolete/fixed/duplicates. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 27669 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 21:14:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:14:37 -0000 Received: from dhcpd13.redhat.com (hp@dhcpd13.redhat.com [207.175.43.141]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA14198 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:14:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by dhcpd13.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA20626; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:13:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dhcpd13.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:13:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington To: Bruce Stephens cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 1 Aug 1999, Bruce Stephens wrote: > > department (U. Toronto comes to mind) and "partner" with them. > > Partnering is good, because it is marketing buzzword #45. > > I agree that a partnership would be good. Why not go for the > University of Michigan, in the form of the Linux/UNIX Independent > Group for Usability Information, , which > might have been created for this sort of thing? > luigui's site is down, and their mailing list has had about 5 messages in the last several months, so I don't think they're very active. The problem with HCI departments is the same problem we had with gnome-gui-list: lots of pie-in-the-sky "let's rewrite the whole damn thing" goo, not many small, concrete, workable improvements to the existing codebase. This is what we need. I don't think small tweaks to an essentially windows-icon-mouse UI are going to interest HCI researchers. I could be wrong. And please, no one start the thread about "we should be radically inventing the UI, not copying Mac/Win, blah blah" unless you can supply enough hackers to write several hundred thousand lines of code. If you don't have those hackers, don't waste our bandwidth. :-) The challenge of this initiative is to get concrete, specific suggestions for enhancing apps. If it loses that focus, it's worthless. Havoc From jwe21@cam.ac.uk Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 7602 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:40:10 -0000 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16054 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:40:10 -0400 Received: from jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.213.11]) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11B3Ky-0001IR-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:40:08 +0100 Received: from jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA12438 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:41:57 +0100 Message-Id: <199908012141.WAA12438@jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm 1.0.0 / multiple displays? Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:41:57 +0100 From: John W Earl I'm trying to run my X and Xvnc servers simultaneously on displays :0 and:1 respectively. However gdm (v.1.0.0, from the redhat 6 rpm) only seems willing to start one display's server. In the configuration file gdm.conf I write: ... [servers] 0=/usr/bin/X11/X 1=/usr/bin/Xvnc:1 ... and gdm chooses to start only the latter. If I take comment out the line 1=... then X starts up just fine. I looked around briefly and didn't find recent source to check, so I've switched to xdm for the time being. Anyone seen this problem/have a fix? John From omega@cse.ogi.edu Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 7994 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 21:40:27 -0000 Received: from church.cse.ogi.edu (omega@cse.ogi.edu [129.95.20.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16078 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:40:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (omega@localhost) by church.cse.ogi.edu (8.8.6/8.8.6) with SMTP id OAA13044; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:40:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:40:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Walthinsen Reply-To: Erik Walthinsen To: Havoc Pennington cc: Bruce Stephens , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Havoc Pennington wrote: > The challenge of this initiative is to get concrete, specific suggestions > for enhancing apps. If it loses that focus, it's worthless. I was thinking about this quite a bit a while ago, after reading through most of the Interface Hall of [Sh,F]ame. Very useful site because of its format (though it's Windoze-centric), and here's what I was thinking of creating at the time: A site that would collect reviews of various versions of packages, with numerous screenshots, and one or two people per package who take all the review data and put it together into a useful form, listing things that are right and wrong about the interface, suggestions for fixing problems, potential enhancements, and things that are so good they should be global. Each interface aspect that deviates from the 'norm' (either good or bad) would be given a thread, with the 'official' collected review at the top, revisioning of that, and annotations/comments from anyone attached to revisions as appropriate. The package as a whole would have a thread with a TOC-style collected review with links to the relevant threads. This puts a fair burden on the person or people coordinating the collected review, and such people would have to be chosen rather carefully. Someone very responsible would have to keep up with all the moderators to make sure they don't do something stupid. So this isn't a lightweight setup, but I think it's the best way to take advantage of all the people out there who have some comment about a package but don't want to spend too much time mentioning it. Just go to the site, write a couple sentences, and someone a little more versed in HCI would look at it and deal with it appropriately. The main thing is that the authors of each package need to be very involved in this. Possibly each revision of the collected review would be mailed to the `cat AUTHORS` of the package at a minimum. As changes are made, the authors need to keep everyone else up to date so their changes can be quickly commented on, and the collected review can be rev'd to match. Does this sound like a sane architecture for organizing, and threading the comments/reviews, and applying feedback principles? Sound like it would be worth implementing in some form? TTYL, Omega Erik Walthinsen - Staff Programmer @ OGI Quasar project - http://www.cse.ogi.edu/DISC/projects/quasar/ Video4Linux Two drivers and stuff - http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~omega/v4l2/ __ / \ SEUL: Simple End-User Linux - http://www.seul.org/ | | M E G A Helping Linux become THE choice _\ /_ for the home or office user From callahan@thnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 27845 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 22:13:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 22:13:49 -0000 Received: from vader.thnet.com (root@vader.thnet.com [206.98.115.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18288 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:13:48 -0400 Received: from callahan (tc1-04.thnet.com [206.98.115.164]) by vader.thnet.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id RAA23026; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:13:44 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <00cb01bedc6b$71328420$0100a8c0@callahan.thnet.com> From: "Callahan" To: Cc: Subject: gdm Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:16:01 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Could someone who is using gdm w/RH 6.0 and gnome please e-mail personally the different conf files they are using. I have messed some things up and I was wanting to have some working files to compare it with. such as those in /etc/X11/ /etc/X11/gdm and their home dir. Thanks, and please send in private not to list, I don't want to get flamed. Brad callahan@thnet.com From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 6542 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 22:30:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 22:30:17 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19367; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:30:16 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-83.powerisp.com [199.105.137.83]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id PAA15433; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 15:28:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A4C990.50A99B86@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 17:26:24 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GUI List , Gnome List , GNOME Announce List Subject: GNOME User Interface Improvement Project Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This is an FAQ for the GNOME UI Improvement Project: 1. What is the GNOME UI Improvement Project? A project to take in user's problems, suggestions, and rantings about the user interface of *any* GNOME app, come up with workable solutions to these problems, and then contact the author of the program in question to work towards fixing these problems. This means that I need YOU THE USER to tell me and the rest of the UI Team (not yet formed, but contactable via the gnome-gui mailing list) about these problems. Those of us on the team will: 1. Make the interface easier to use. 2. Make the interface as intuitive as possible. 3. Make the interface consistent. 4. Make it generally nicer to the user. 5. Make the interface better than *any* other. We are in competition with KDE, Windows, GNUStep/NeXT, Mac, and CDE. I want to win :-). 6. Document *everything*. Ever Windows app has a help file, and every GNOME app needs to as well. 2. Where will all of that take place? All of the above will go through the GUI mailing list, and a GNOME UI website (location yet to be determined). 3. Who will be involved? The UI Team. Random Programmers The application authors. You the user. 4. When will this start? As soon as people start sending us their rantings about UIs. 5. What isn't fair game? Blue Sky Stuff: Open dialogs, for one. The desktop icon model, for another. The minimum resolution aimed for, for another. This just wastes everyone's time, and causes a lot of headaches. Legal: - Having the close item in GMC's File menu exit the app if there aren't any desktop icons. Illegal: - Getting rid of the desktop icons altogether. - Expanding GMC to be an Windows style MDI app, which takes up the entire desktop. 6. I want to help, but don't know where to start? If you can program, you can help us out by creating patches for apps for all the suggestions/solutions we put together. If you can't program, you can help us out by telling us your beefs with GNOME app X. If you know UI design, you can help us out by coming up with solutions to the problems pointed out by other users. I will be putting together a team that can come up with solutions for this, and I would *like* to hold discussions with this team in the open, on the gnome-gui list. For those who will post to the gnome-gui list, please don't make me reconsider :-). 7. What are some UI resources I can look at before I start coming up with solutions? Interface Hall of Shame/Fame http://www.iarchitect.com/mshame.htm This are the starting documents. Read them and follow them religiously, because I will :-). Ask Tog http://www.asktog.com/menus/designMenu.html This site provides a large group of resources for designing an interface, including a set of abstract rules for which examples are given in the Hall of Shame/Fame. Also, please read the links associated with the above sites. For right now, discussion about this can take place on the GNOME GUI list: mailto:gnome-gui-list@gnome.org (subscribing) mailto:gnome-gui-list-request@gnome.org?subject=subscribe Please do not bring your personal gripes to the list. I would like to keep this as civil and restrained as possible (and not touch on the Illegal stuff mentioned above as well) :-). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 10854 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 22:35:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 22:35:55 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19851 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:35:54 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23114; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:32:33 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:32:33 -0500 Message-Id: <199908012232.RAA23114@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: jlwallen@iglou.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: (jlwallen@iglou.com) Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. X-Windows: graphics hacking :: roman numerals : sqrt(pi) References: > when you say a team of *users* do these *users* have to be developers? if > not i would be interested in being one of these *users* Users. As is in people who use the software. We want to make GNOME accessible for everyone. And make it very pleasant. So, you are welcome to help Jim assemble the proposal. Miguel. From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 16075 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 22:45:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 22:45:21 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20396 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:45:20 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23139; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:42:03 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:42:03 -0500 Message-Id: <199908012242.RAA23139@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: jlwallen@iglou.com CC: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: (jlwallen@iglou.com) Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. X-Windows: It was hard to write; it should be hard to use. References: > and why would you want to cut yourself off from end user opinion? that's > a very Microsoftian philosophy - in my opinion. I am not cutting anyone here. But being a programmer I sort of know what I want in my applications. I just do not know what a user who does not care about computers and wants to use a "free-software based computer appliance" expects. Miguel. From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 17428 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 22:46:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 22:46:22 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20463 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:46:21 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23145; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:43:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:43:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199908012243.RAA23145@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: jlwallen@iglou.com CC: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; In-reply-to: (jlwallen@iglou.com) Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. X-FileLength: are infinite where infinity is set to 255 characters References: > anyway...not cutting down anyone's ideas. i just think that too often > the *user's* voice is ignored. many times on this list (gnome-list that > is) i get ignored - be it question or suggestion or announcement of a > topic i am writing about. (if the gnome-list is strictly for devs let me > know and i'll gladly jump ship ;-) ). Various points: 1. That is why we are trying to organize a formal way of getting all this feedback and making sure we can do something about them instead of discarding it. 2. Sometimes developers have no time to implement things, or we lack the power and commitment we would like to have. So, there is hope. Help us make GNOME the best user interface for a personal computer. Miguel. From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 21153 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 22:52:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 22:52:22 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20806 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:52:21 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.16] (helo=lou-ts1-2.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11B4Sp-0007N4-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 18:52:19 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:55:44 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: imlib Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey gang, i was doing a bit more upgrading (things are working great by the way) and came across a dependency i can't find on the gurulabs site...imlib. is this application only to be found in certain locatations and if so...why? one of the reasons i'm asking so many questions is that i'm currently writing an article about updating the stock Red Hat 6.0 gnome. J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- You can't depend on me all your lives. You have to learn that there's a little Homer Simpson in all of us. -- Homer Simpson Homer Defined From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 27295 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 23:01:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 23:01:28 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21426 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:01:26 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23185; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:58:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:58:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199908012258.RAA23185@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: mudpup@telepath.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <37A4B4C8.6AC9E08A@telepath.com> (message from Dennis Lee on Sun, 01 Aug 1999 15:57:44 -0500) Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. X-Windows: Don't get frustrated without it. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <37A4B4C8.6AC9E08A@telepath.com> > 1. Gnome needs to improve the (install process | upgrade process) there > are to many small files / libraries that break one another it seems like > when you up grade one program You have to up grade another library or > two. After that you find some other program is broken. You can not back > out what you just done because of newly created dependencies. This should not be the case for any release after GNOME 1.0. WE have kept the APis backwards binary compatible, which means that if you upgrade libraries, no application should break. [We might have screwed up, but only in a small case] > 2. Gnome developers need to stop stepping on one another set something > as stable base library combine that into one binary. All programs should > be built against the stable base or core. That is what we have now. I have been particularly careful to be always back-bin-compat for the libraries we release. Perhaps you are using stuff from CVS? Miguel. From j@nus.person.dk Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 32722 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 23:10:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 23:10:05 -0000 Received: from fe040.worldonline.dk (fe040.worldonline.dk [212.54.64.205]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA22019 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:10:04 -0400 Received: (qmail 28664 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 1999 23:10:02 -0000 Received: from 28.ppp1-17.image.dk (HELO scapegoat) (212.54.74.28) by mail020.worldonline.dk with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 23:10:02 -0000 Message-ID: <007d01bedc72$95f386e0$0200a8c0@scapegoat> From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?Janus_N._T=F8ndering?=" To: References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <37A4B4C8.6AC9E08A@telepath.com> Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:59:34 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > The interface is fine for now. Make the system very very stable first. > > Last I tried to look through the bugs data base, there was more than 400 > bugs over 60 days old. > > Perhaps a week or two of bug clean up first. > > Usability does not mean shit if the system is full of bugs. > > I would be glad to try and help with bug clean up If I knew where the > stable edge was, and could get my copy of the gnome interface on some > sort of even keel. > > Sorry I just had to Rant / Vent > > Dennis Lee > I totally agree with Dennis: the UI is not as important as stability ... The user interface is ok now - some of my friends don't even use Gnome anymor: "It is too buggy; too Windows-alike" Janus N. Třndering From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 15908 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 23:32:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 23:32:25 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23965 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:32:20 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.233]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 331 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:25:25 +0300 Message-ID: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: Subject: Some constructive criticism for you Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:33:21 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Anyway, I just thought I'd provide my constructive criticism for you :) Anyway, I have all the /LATEST/ RPMS from the gurulabs.com site. I have an applet problem. The basic/default apps work perfectly, but any new apps I install (i.e. gnomeicu or anything from the gnome-applets CVS package) don't work. They just do not add themselves if I right-click and select them. if I run them from gnome-terminal they work perfectly though and register with the panel. But right-clicking and selecting them just doesn't wokr. Any suggestions? it is very annoying From spoon@elpaso.net Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 24181 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 23:42:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 23:42:58 -0000 Received: from elpaso.net (elpaso.net [208.169.36.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24803 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:42:57 -0400 Received: from carrot.discworld (modem98.elpaso.net [208.169.37.41]) by elpaso.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04670; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:42:38 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:43:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Marcus Brubaker X-Sender: spoon@carrot.discworld To: Ali Abdin cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you In-Reply-To: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Ali Abdin wrote: > Anyway, I just thought I'd provide my constructive criticism for you :) > > Anyway, I have all the /LATEST/ RPMS from the gurulabs.com site. > I have an applet problem. The basic/default apps work perfectly, but any > new apps I install (i.e. gnomeicu or anything from the gnome-applets CVS > package) don't work. They just do not add themselves if I right-click and > select them. if I run them from gnome-terminal they work perfectly though > and register with the panel. But right-clicking and selecting them just > doesn't wokr. Any suggestions? it is very annoying > Two things, one, not all programs insert themselves in to the menu. And I think GnomeICU actually installs itself into the applet menu. Another thing is, the panel menu (as far as I know) only looks two places for .desktop files. One being ~/.gnome/apps and the other being PREFIX/share/apps (I think). If Gnome is installed in /usr/opt and the app is installed in to /usr/local, Gnome will have no way of telling that the .desktop file for this app is in /usr/local. Personally, I see this as a problem with the app. The applications need to be able to find the Gnome shared directory and put the .desktop/.applet files there instead of their installed prefix. Then again, this could wreak havoc with people who run both a devel and a stable version of Gnome in two different prefixes. Marcus Brubaker spoon@elpaso.net http://www.elpaso.net/~spoon The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk carefully. -Russian Proverb From jwe21@cam.ac.uk Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 32123 invoked from network); 1 Aug 1999 23:57:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 23:57:55 -0000 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk (exim@red.csi.cam.ac.uk [131.111.8.70]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25855 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:57:54 -0400 Received: from jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk ([131.111.213.11]) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11B5UH-0006bC-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 00:57:53 +0100 Received: from jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA26757 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:59:41 +0100 Message-Id: <199908012359.AAA26757@jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you In-Reply-To: Message from "Ali Abdin" of "Mon, 02 Aug 1999 02:33:21 +0300." <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 00:59:41 +0100 From: John W Earl | Anyway, I have all the /LATEST/ RPMS from the gurulabs.com site. | I have an applet problem. The basic/default apps work perfectly, but any | new apps I install (i.e. gnomeicu or anything from the gnome-applets CVS | package) don't work. They just do not add themselves if I right-click and | select them. if I run them from gnome-terminal they work perfectly though | and register with the panel. But right-clicking and selecting them just | doesn't wokr. Any suggestions? it is very annoying I have had the same problem exactly using the rpm's I got with RH6, and then installing, e.g., gweather. It would be nice if we could get error messages, either in dialog boxes or on a console/log window, when things are started from the panel and have errors - at the moment they seem to just get piped to .xsession-errors in a long list from which it is unclear what error refers to what user action. Maybe errors from gnome apps could be logged with something kind of like syslogd, and then have a gui error-log viewer, letting the end-user see errors sorted by app/applet/process/date etc. John From bishop@sekure.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 1760 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 00:00:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 00:00:24 -0000 Received: from srv7-poa.poa.zaz.com.br (srv7-poa.poa.zaz.com.br [200.248.149.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26074 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:00:21 -0400 Received: from dlri1-248-247-90.bnu.zaz.com.br (dlri1-248-247-90.bnu.zaz.com.br [200.248.247.90]) by srv7-poa.poa.zaz.com.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA14390; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:01:11 -0300 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:00:43 -0300 (EST) From: Augusto Cesar Radtke X-Sender: bishop@bishop.psychadelic.org To: "jack wallen, jr" cc: gnome list Subject: Re: imlib In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > i was doing a bit more upgrading (things are working great by the way) and > came across a dependency i can't find on the gurulabs site...imlib. is > this application only to be found in certain locatations and if so...why? imlib is getting replaced by libart_gpl in gnome, but the core still use it. imlib as made my rasterman initialy for e (i think), for rendering and things of this nature. can be found in gnome cvs tree and in the gnome ftp sites. -augusto From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 5494 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 00:07:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 00:07:15 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26472 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:07:12 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.231]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 346; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:00:22 +0300 Message-ID: <011901bedc7b$1e29da20$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: "Marcus Brubaker" Cc: References: Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:08:12 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Nononono, you misunderstand :) the .desktop files are installed PROPERLY into /usr/local and stuff. They do show up in the Applet menu. I click on it. NOTHING happens. Thats the problem. If I run it from gnome-terminal it works. Nothing is shown on the console. and for some reason I do not have a .xsession-errors file. Any one else experiencing this? Anyone know how to fix or how to track down this bug? > > Two things, one, not all programs insert themselves in to the menu. And I > think GnomeICU actually installs itself into the applet menu. Another thing > is, the panel menu (as far as I know) only looks two places for .desktop > files. One being ~/.gnome/apps and the other being PREFIX/share/apps (I > think). If Gnome is installed in /usr/opt and the app is installed in to > /usr/local, Gnome will have no way of telling that the .desktop file for this > app is in /usr/local. > > Personally, I see this as a problem with the app. The applications need to be > able to find the Gnome shared directory and put the .desktop/.applet files > there instead of their installed prefix. Then again, this could wreak havoc > with people who run both a devel and a stable version of Gnome in two > different prefixes. > > Marcus Brubaker > spoon@elpaso.net > http://www.elpaso.net/~spoon > > The church is near but the road is icy; the bar is far away but I will walk > carefully. > -Russian Proverb > From br0ke@math.smsu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 10083 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 00:15:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 00:15:44 -0000 Received: from math.smsu.edu (br0ke@math.smsu.edu [146.7.234.28]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26956 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:15:42 -0400 From: br0ke@math.smsu.edu Received: (from br0ke@localhost) by math.smsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA31474 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:22:00 -0500 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:22:00 -0500 Message-Id: <199908012322.SAA31474@math.smsu.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. On 01-Aug-99 Miguel de Icaza wrote: > >> and why would you want to cut yourself off from end user opinion? that's >> a very Microsoftian philosophy - in my opinion. > > I am not cutting anyone here. But being a programmer I sort of know > what I want in my applications. I just do not know what a user who > does not care about computers and wants to use a "free-software based > computer appliance" expects. > I know the feeling. There's a real difference between what I want/need/expect/demand from programs and what my friends expect. I got friends who're avid unix fans to want it a certain way, friends who are game fiends and tweak gurus who want it a different way, friends who just use them once in a while who don't know anything about *nix, programming, tweaking, or anything besides clicking the microsloth logo who want it yet another way... etc etc etc :) And to complicate issues, the open software I'm writing (I got closed secret projects) is a mud client, and I don't play muds. I'm writing software I won't use to access a service I don't really care about and trying to do a decent job of it going "if I were a mudder, I'd think it's handy to have ****". pretty strusfrating:) My method is to scratch together quick cgi's and run a poll on my programs page, not only do I get to see what people thing, I get to see which os they're running so I know what kinda cross-compatability I should concern myself with. > > Miguel. > -Erik [http://shells.clipboard.com/~br0ke] The opinions expressed by me are not necessarily opinions. In all probability, they are random rambling, and to be ignored. Failure to ignore may result in severe boredom or confusion. Shake well before opening. Keep Refrigerated. From spoon@elpaso.net Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 13342 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 00:20:00 -0000 Received: from elpaso.net (elpaso.net [208.169.36.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27254 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:19:59 -0400 Received: from carrot.discworld (modem98.elpaso.net [208.169.37.41]) by elpaso.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06844; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:20:10 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:21:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Marcus Brubaker X-Sender: spoon@carrot.discworld To: Augusto Cesar Radtke cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: imlib In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Augusto Cesar Radtke wrote: > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > > > i was doing a bit more upgrading (things are working great by the way) and > > came across a dependency i can't find on the gurulabs site...imlib. is > > this application only to be found in certain locatations and if so...why? > > imlib is getting replaced by libart_gpl in gnome, but the core still use > it. imlib as made my rasterman initialy for e (i think), for rendering and > things of this nature. can be found in gnome cvs tree and in the gnome ftp > sites. Out of idle curiosity, why (and when, must have missed that thread) are we replacing imlib? And just from the name, isn't libart under the GPL? Marcus Brubaker spoon@elpaso.net http://www.elpaso.net/~spoon >From the List of the Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord 51.If one of my dungeon guards begins expressing concern over the conditions in the beautiful princess' cell, I will immediately transfer him to a less people-oriented position. From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 16737 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 00:25:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 00:25:26 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA27625 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:25:26 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.128] (ip128.ifx.net [206.25.218.128]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id VAA14432 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:23:02 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908020123.VAA14432@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:25:17 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" nelson-gnome@crynwr.com (nelson-gnome@crynwr.com)'s email of 08/01/99 15:43 said: >Miguel de Icaza writes: > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > > in GNOME: > > > > a. To make the interface easier. > > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > > c. To make the system more consistent. > > d. To make the system "nicer". > > e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. > >I'm not sure that *users* know what to ask for. I don't think that >anecdotal evidence is the best way to improve a UI. Probably the best >thing to do would be to find a University with a good HCI department >(U. Toronto comes to mind) and "partner" with them. Partnering is >good, because it is marketing buzzword #45. Another good one is University of Maryland... I took an HCI class in their Asian division in Japan and the textbook was written by a professor there. (Not my prof, but they were friends.) In fact, I could've BEEN that partner there... I even wrote a GNOME style guide as a class project. :) Unfortunately it was a group affair, and the other guys in my group had only ever used Windows, so the only parts that I'm really proud enough of to share are the parts I wrote myself. ;) Jim, if you want the paper, give me a holler; I'll strip out the bullshit and forward it along. The structure itself was actually rather good I thought. I even posted our intro (which contained a lot of good general design information) to gnome-gui-list a while ago; look for me in the archives... -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From bishop@sekure.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 17899 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 01:29:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:29:32 -0000 Received: from srv7-poa.poa.zaz.com.br (srv7-poa.poa.zaz.com.br [200.248.149.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA30513 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:29:30 -0400 Received: from dlri1-248-247-90.bnu.zaz.com.br (dlri1-248-247-90.bnu.zaz.com.br [200.248.247.90]) by srv7-poa.poa.zaz.com.br (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA25630; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:30:21 -0300 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:29:54 -0300 (EST) From: Augusto Cesar Radtke X-Sender: bishop@bishop.psychadelic.org To: Marcus Brubaker cc: gnome list Subject: Re: imlib In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Marcus Brubaker wrote: > Out of idle curiosity, why (and when, must have missed that thread) are we > replacing imlib? And just from the name, isn't libart under the GPL? It's a thread started by Miguel de Icaza in gnome-devel-list in July. Search the archive, he have great explanations why replacing imlib. Yes, libart is under GNU LGPL license. -augusto From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 25878 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 01:38:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:38:59 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA31296 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:38:58 -0400 Received: (qmail 1081 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 01:39:27 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:39:27 -0000 Received: (qmail 26251 invoked by uid 501); 2 Aug 1999 01:39:26 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:39:26 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <199908012242.RAA23139@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> References: <199908012242.RAA23139@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14244.62665.332782.17109@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q > > and why would you want to cut yourself off from end user opinion? that's > > a very Microsoftian philosophy - in my opinion. > > I am not cutting anyone here. But being a programmer I sort of know > what I want in my applications. I just do not know what a user who > does not care about computers and wants to use a "free-software based > computer appliance" expects. Oy vey. There are some hidden assumptions here. Is the usability of a user interface a popularity contest or a matter of scientific exploration? If you think it's the first (and for all I know it might be), then yes, you would want to present multiple choices to users and say "which one do you find easiest to use"? A scientific experiment would probably videotape a random sample of the user population and/or instrument the the GUIs, and make measurements of the usability of the GUI. How fast do they make menu selections? How often do they underrun / overrun their menu selection? How often do they make the wrong menu selection? There are lots of questions one could ask. Seems to me, though, that the first thing that's needed is user interface themability, e.g. the ability to move the scroll buttons to one end of the scroll bar. Either way, the users or the scientists need to choose. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 5761 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 01:56:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 01:56:33 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32394; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:56:33 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-83.powerisp.com [199.105.137.83]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id SAA18049; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:54:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A4F9EC.45696C3D@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 20:52:44 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Announce List , GNOME List , GUI List Subject: GNOME User Interface Improvement Project II Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, having talked with Miguel, I have removed #5 (no blue sky discussions) from the requirements, and refined the overview. Basically, the GNOME UI Improvement Project will collect all the comments/rantings/whatevers it can over the gnome-gui list, and compile them all on it's website (Preliminary version available at http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/). The UI Team (a better name will be determined, don't worry) will take those comments/rantings/whatevers and turn them into workable UI improvements which are well designed and thought out. Those improvements will then be forwarded to the application authors. So, the website is at [http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/], and keep those suggestions flowing! :-) Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From msf@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 14557 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:07:35 -0000 Received: from grudge.redhat.com ([10.0.0.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA00590 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:07:33 -0400 Received: from grudge.redhat.com (IDENT:msf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grudge.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18581 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:09:57 -0400 Message-Id: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:09:57 -0400 From: Michael Fulbright I applaud the recent rejuvenation of the GNOME UI effort. I hope that the people working on it can give us regular drafts for comments. I would advise them not to try and make it too much of a "tell us what you want and we'll add it all" - we need a few people with UI experience to draft a proposal, and then get comments from everyone. Otherwise you'll get what we had last time. The best way I can see to help usability FAST is to get the KDE/GNOME window manager spec ironed out. I think the worst aspect of the current GNOME desktop to new users (according to all the feedback email I get since my email address is in every GNOME RPM :) is the abitrary distinction between the GNOME desktop and the window manager. Currently the GNOME desktop and the window manager fight over things like background settings and mouse clicks on the desktop. Some window managers claim to support GNOME, and yet when in 'GNOME mode' they throw up their own panel equivalent, icons, etc. The words 'window manager' should never show up on the desktop imho - users should not have to learn about them. The worst offender are themes - on the Red Hat 6.0 tour I talked to alot of people about GNOME and KDE. Most people seem to perceive more features in GNOME, but did not like having to deal with the window manager. In KDE this is not an issue. I had numerous people ask me why they have to configure TWO themes. I think the GNOME project should very seriously consider pursuing (with great vigor) a window manager for GNOME that gives us the level of control over the environment that allows us to hide the fact a window manager is even running from the novice user. Note I have advocated two things: 1) Get the spec worked out in common for both the GNOME and KDE environments. A window manager author will then have a single target and it is much more likely window managers will properly work with both. 2) For the much larger class of potential new users (compared to the small current user base of Linux) we should have a window manager we have designed that works closely with GNOME (via CORBA) that completely hides the window manager from the user. Themes will be shared with gtk+ themes, the issue of who owns the background will be gone, the pager and task list applets won't have to use broken X11 tricks to get window lists, etc. Of all the reasons people pick GNOME versus KDE, I think the fact that GNOME is supposedly window manager independent is very low on the list of reasons. It certainly is not one of the top three. I think its time to consider making a distinction between "GNOME compliant" window manager and "GNOME enhanced" window managers. The later is what a newbie will want to use. We can satisfy both the seasoned Linux users who have a favorite window manager as well as the new user who just wants it to work. I think in terms of usability we have a great deal to address for the later when in comes to the window manager. Next on the list would be the file manager, but this email is already too long. Dr Mike From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 26728 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:21:29 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA01595 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:21:29 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch02m6.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.198]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA17673; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:21:25 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:15:10 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Fulbright CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Fulbright wrote: > Of all the reasons people pick GNOME versus KDE, I think the fact that > GNOME is supposedly window manager independent is very low on the list of > reasons. It certainly is not one of the top three. I think its time > to consider making a distinction between "GNOME compliant" window manager > and "GNOME enhanced" window managers. The later is what a newbie will > want to use. > > We can satisfy both the seasoned Linux users who have a favorite window manager > as well as the new user who just wants it to work. I think in terms of > usability we have a great deal to address for the later when in comes to > the window manager. I do think window manager independency is one of the most important resons for most of us hackers. I, for one, will scream if Gnome stops working perfectly (full-featured) with Enlightenment. -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (lobo on IRC) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From lobo@pop03.pub01 Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 31466 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:27:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:27:21 -0000 Received: from pop03.pub01 (pop03.mail.com [165.251.32.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA01998 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:27:20 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch02m6.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.198]) by pop03.pub01 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA23856; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop03.pub01 Message-ID: <37A50080.C8839FAB@email.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:20:48 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ali Abdin CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you References: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ali Abdin wrote: > Anyway, I just thought I'd provide my constructive criticism for you :) > > Anyway, I have all the /LATEST/ RPMS from the gurulabs.com site. > I have an applet problem. The basic/default apps work perfectly, but any > new apps I install (i.e. gnomeicu or anything from the gnome-applets CVS > package) don't work. They just do not add themselves if I right-click and > select them. if I run them from gnome-terminal they work perfectly though > and register with the panel. But right-clicking and selecting them just > doesn't wokr. Any suggestions? it is very annoying This is due to the fact that some RPMs install their appname.gnorba in /usr/etc/CORBA/servers, and they should be in /etc/CORBA/servers (in RH6, at least). 'mv /usr/etc/CORBA/servers/* /etc/CORBA/servers' and you should be ok. I've already notified the RPM packager of gnome-pilot, which had this problem; maybe you could e-mail the packager of the problematic RPMs. -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 1993 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:29:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:29:48 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA02199 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:29:48 -0400 Received: (qmail 3791 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 02:30:17 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:30:17 -0000 Received: (qmail 27235 invoked by uid 501); 2 Aug 1999 02:30:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:30:16 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14245.523.160436.906918@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Michael Fulbright wrote: > > Of all the reasons people pick GNOME versus KDE, I think the fact that > > GNOME is supposedly window manager independent is very low on the list of > > reasons. It certainly is not one of the top three. I think its time > > to consider making a distinction between "GNOME compliant" window manager > > and "GNOME enhanced" window managers. The later is what a newbie will > > want to use. > > I do think window manager independency is one of the most important resons > for most of us hackers. I, for one, will scream if Gnome stops working > perfectly (full-featured) with Enlightenment. Maybe I can help here. This battle was fought and won (by all sides, I think) a year and a half ago (and I agree with Miguel's sediment in his quoted reply): ----------------------------------------- | Date: Thu, 22 Jan 98 15:26:59 EST | From: Russell Nelson | To: gnome-list@gnome.org | Subject: Re: Offtopic mails on gnome list. | | Miguel de Icaza writes: | > * The window manager thread should die now. | | Absolutely. As long as there is going to be a "Gnome WM" with a Gnome | GUI, I don't care if any other WM also works. It's not about | exclusivity, it's about consistency. ----------------------------------------- -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 2477 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:30:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:30:32 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02223 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:30:31 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.124] (helo=lou-ts3-18.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11B7rr-0000kf-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:30:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:33:48 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: Daniel Serodio cc: Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: i have to agree here! the ability to choose which window manager i wanted was a large deciding factor for me choosing Gnome. I feel that the ability to switch window managers at the drop of a hat (ala Gnome) make Gnome that much more user friendly and configurable than KDE. i think losing this feature would be a shame. > > I do think window manager independency is one of the most important resons > for most of us hackers. I, for one, will scream if Gnome stops working > perfectly (full-featured) with Enlightenment. > > -- > []'s | .^. > Daniel Serodio (lobo on IRC) | /V\ www.linux.org > dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org > | /( )\ www.gnome.org > | ^^-^^ > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- You can't depend on me all your lives. You have to learn that there's a little Homer Simpson in all of us. -- Homer Simpson Homer Defined From jwise@pathwaynet.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 12427 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:39:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:39:39 -0000 Received: from uruguay.pathwaynet.com (exim@uruguay.pathwaynet.com [216.46.203.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02673 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:39:36 -0400 Received: from [216.46.192.29] (helo=p192-29.gv.pathwaynet.com) by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11B80i-0001gp-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:39:32 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:39:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Wise X-Sender: jwise@speedy.wise To: "jack wallen, jr" cc: Daniel Serodio , Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't think the suggestion here is to abandon support for "other" WM's, but to create one that will not interfere with Gnome. I for one find it a pain to set up my background in Gnome CC, only to have it overridden by Enlightenment when I restart X. Back in RH 5.2, I had to figure out how to disable E's right button menu on the root window, so GMC's menu worked correctly. Icons in AfterStep and WindowMaker (last I used them) interfere with my panel, and make my desktop more cluttered. It also adds redundancy, because the Gnome Pager does what I need. I don't know enough to help produce a new WM, but I like the idea of one that puts the windows on the screen, without trying to add a bunch of its own bells and whistles. Sincerely, Jeremy Wise +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeremy Wise Make every effort to enter | | jwise@pathwaynet.com through the narrow door, | | ICQ #4664755 because many, I tell you, | | http://www.pathwaynet.com/~jwise will try to enter and will | | http://gnomeicu.gdev.net/ not be able to. (Luke 13:24) | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > > i have to agree here! the ability to choose which window manager i wanted > was a large deciding factor for me choosing Gnome. I feel that the > ability to switch window managers at the drop of a hat (ala Gnome) make > Gnome that much more user friendly and configurable than KDE. > > i think losing this feature would be a shame. > > > > > I do think window manager independency is one of the most important resons > > for most of us hackers. I, for one, will scream if Gnome stops working > > perfectly (full-featured) with Enlightenment. > > > > -- > > []'s | .^. > > Daniel Serodio (lobo on IRC) | /V\ www.linux.org > > dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org > > | /( )\ www.gnome.org > > | ^^-^^ > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. > get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost > > ----- > You can't depend on me all your lives. You have to learn that there's a > little Homer Simpson in all of us. > > -- Homer Simpson > Homer Defined > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 17253 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:43:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:43:48 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02929 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:43:45 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.244]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 352 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:36:52 +0300 Message-ID: <015501bedc90$c8c1d4a0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: Subject: GNOME WM (GNOME User Interface related) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:43:19 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I think Dr. Mike hit this right on. There really should be a GNOME Window Manager in my opinion. Wait, listen. Not an OFFICIAL GNOME Window Manager, just one that would tie in "perfectly" with GNOME. One that is designed specifically for GNOME and around it. This would provide several advantages, first of all, it would simplify the lives of all those "newbie" linux users (all those windows converts). Second of all, it would /STILL/ allow all us advanced users out there to still use the window manager of our choice. But, Michael Fulbright is right, we need the GNOME-WM specification /FIRST/ then everything should fall into place. Is there any chance we can have a 'status-report' from that list on what progress they have made, whats left, and how long it will be expected to take? From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 19878 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:48:08 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03302 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:48:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id WAA30869; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:48:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:48:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: John W Earl cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you In-Reply-To: <199908012359.AAA26757@jem42.trin.cam.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I had this (on RH60) but only for an older version of GnomeICU. A more recent version fixed it. I could run it from the command line just fine, but not from the right click menu. --Ben On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, John W Earl wrote: > | Anyway, I have all the /LATEST/ RPMS from the gurulabs.com site. > | I have an applet problem. The basic/default apps work perfectly, but any > | new apps I install (i.e. gnomeicu or anything from the gnome-applets CVS > | package) don't work. They just do not add themselves if I right-click and > | select them. if I run them from gnome-terminal they work perfectly though > | and register with the panel. But right-clicking and selecting them just > | doesn't wokr. Any suggestions? it is very annoying > > I have had the same problem exactly using the rpm's I got with RH6, > and then installing, e.g., gweather. > > It would be nice if we could get error messages, either in dialog > boxes or on a console/log window, when things are started from the > panel and have errors - at the moment they seem to just get piped to > .xsession-errors in a long list from which it is unclear what error > refers to what user action. Maybe errors from gnome apps could be > logged with something kind of like syslogd, and then have a gui > error-log viewer, letting the end-user see errors sorted by > app/applet/process/date etc. > > John > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jobezone@localhost.localdomain Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 21528 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:49:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:49:13 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA03387 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:49:12 -0400 Received: from lisas2-p50.telepac.pt (HELO localhost.localdomain) (194.65.224.179) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 1 Aug 1999 19:50:33 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 03:49:07 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@localhost.localdomain From: Eduardo Silva To: gnome-gui-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Media: Another short comparisson bettween KDE and GNOME Just found out a small comparisson(typo?) bettwen you know who. The author says that GNOME is more of a work in progress than KDE is, but that he found the themes way cool(he says his son said it, but you know that's what he's thinking also:)) and found himself more time in it than in KDE. http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99aug/9908linuxside.htm P.S.-I know there is already a lot of themes, but only really a few are good/enjoyable (6,7?), be them Enlightenment or GTK ones. I think the main reason on the lack of many good themes is there isn't some kind of tutorial on how to make them, neither there is much publicity for them. Publicity for the graphical/designer guy who could do some very cool themes, but also to the normal potential user. I only found about themes in GNOME, after installing it by myself, a few months back. Sure, it was a pleasant surprise, but many people are still tied to the "one look" desktop, and don't have any idea such a thing as what you did is possible. They woul d come runingif they knew. Maybe also putting more recent screenshots in the Gnome page would help:) Eduardo <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 28298 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:57:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:57:25 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03879 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:57:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id WAA30891; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:57:21 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:57:21 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: "jack wallen, jr" cc: Daniel Serodio , Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'd see no problem with a GnomeWM that would be very well intigrated as long as Enlightenment (or something else) could be turned on in its place. I for one don't particularly mind the distinction between WM and Gnome, but I can see how it could be confusing for a newbie. if a highly integrated WM were the default it would be great. Just leave choice. --Ben On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > > > On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > > i have to agree here! the ability to choose which window manager i wanted > was a large deciding factor for me choosing Gnome. I feel that the > ability to switch window managers at the drop of a hat (ala Gnome) make > Gnome that much more user friendly and configurable than KDE. > > i think losing this feature would be a shame. > > > > > I do think window manager independency is one of the most important resons > > for most of us hackers. I, for one, will scream if Gnome stops working > > perfectly (full-featured) with Enlightenment. > > > > -- > > []'s | .^. > > Daniel Serodio (lobo on IRC) | /V\ www.linux.org > > dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org > > | /( )\ www.gnome.org > > | ^^-^^ > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. > get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost > > ----- > You can't depend on me all your lives. You have to learn that there's a > little Homer Simpson in all of us. > > -- Homer Simpson > Homer Defined > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From tromey@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:14 2000 Received: (qmail 30256 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 02:59:51 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA03956 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:59:50 -0400 Received: from ferrule.cygnus.com. (ferrule.cygnus.com [205.180.230.166]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA24937; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:59:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ferrule.cygnus.com. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id TAA19633; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:59:46 -0700 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 19:59:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199908020259.TAA19633@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Tom Tromey To: Daniel Serodio Cc: Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> X-Zippy: .. this must be what it's like to be a COLLEGE GRADUATE!! X-Attribution: Tom >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Serodio writes: Daniel> I do think window manager independency is one of the most Daniel> important resons for most of us hackers. I, for one, will Daniel> scream if Gnome stops working perfectly (full-featured) with Daniel> Enlightenment. I believe Dr Mike's point is that we should provide a default window manager for new users, but still work on the Gnome wm spec so that hackers can choose the wm they like. In particular he is saying that the default wm should use the same theming system, so new users don't have to configured that in more than one place. His proposal strikes me as very sensible. What's going on with gnome-wm? Is it usable yet? Tom From msf@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 3504 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 03:05:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 03:05:30 -0000 Received: from grudge.redhat.com ([10.0.0.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04351 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:05:27 -0400 Received: from grudge.redhat.com (IDENT:msf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by grudge.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA19021 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:07:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199908020307.XAA19021@grudge.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message from Michael Fulbright of "Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:09:57 EDT." <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:07:51 -0400 From: Michael Fulbright Ok crew lets read the whole message next time before replying. I did not say to throw away the GNOME "holy grail" of supporting all window managers. What I did say is (sorry old-timers, I know replying to your own message is taboo): > Note I have advocated two things: > > 1) Get the spec worked out in common for both the GNOME and KDE environments. > A window manager author will then have a single target and it is > much more likely window managers will properly work with both. > > 2) For the much larger class of potential new users (compared to the small > current user base of Linux) we should have a window manager we have > designed that works closely with GNOME (via CORBA) that completely > hides the window manager from the user. Themes will be shared with > gtk+ themes, the issue of who owns the background will be gone, the > pager and task list applets won't have to use broken X11 tricks to > get window lists, etc. I put in #1 because yes, hackers love to hack and I want GNOME to be flexible enough to keep them interested. If we're going to have that option we should at least do it in a way compatible with KDE. I understand at least one window manager isn't working with GNOME because they saw they had to support both KDE and GNOME hints. Working with the KDE team to iron out a single spec will be a win for both of us. Complying with this spec means that you use a legacy window manager with GNOME/KDE and it will act reasonably. I put in #2 because so far it seems a great deal of people I speak with see #1 as some sort of "black and white" issue. You either are either window manager independent, or you aren't. Of course this is not true at all. Thats why at the end of my email I advocated _at_least_ two levels of GNOME compliance. If it were not for us "encouraging" raster to make enlightenment work with GNOME, I don't think we'd have a user friendly window manager that worked cleanly with GNOME now. He did a great job - the enlightenment-conf configuration tool makes extremely easy to configure enlightenment. The window manager spec he helped finalize does work and we have a working pager/task list to boot. Of course it was a first try and we know it can be improved upon now we have experience with it. However, I do not think we should expect window manager authors to twist their existing window managers into being completely built for GNOME. They work on window managers for other reasons. That is exactly why I've come to realize we have to have a single reference window manager written and engineered to be a "window manager" and no more. We can make it fit GNOME perfectly - this is one area I think KDE got right from the beginning. If this window manager is properly engineered then it will be possible for other window managers, if they so choose, to work at this higher level of compliance. So to recap - I say we shoudl work with KDE and get a wm spec so people can use legacy window managers with our glorious new desktop environments, and simultaneously we need a reference window manager that works in a much more intimate fashion with GNOME. The later is going to be the one I bet that new users are going to find the most intuitive to use. We've tried for 18 months to find the "holy grail" and we're no closer today than when we started. We need to explore new options. Dr Mike From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 7331 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 03:12:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 03:12:43 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04807 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:12:42 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-83.powerisp.com [199.105.137.83]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA13584; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:10:34 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A50BBD.91BF0748@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:08:45 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Tromey CC: Daniel Serodio , Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> <199908020259.TAA19633@ferrule.cygnus.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Tromey wrote: > > >>>>> "Daniel" == Daniel Serodio writes: > > Daniel> I do think window manager independency is one of the most > Daniel> important resons for most of us hackers. I, for one, will > Daniel> scream if Gnome stops working perfectly (full-featured) with > Daniel> Enlightenment. > > I believe Dr Mike's point is that we should provide a default window > manager for new users, but still work on the Gnome wm spec so that > hackers can choose the wm they like. In particular he is saying that > the default wm should use the same theming system, so new users don't > have to configured that in more than one place. > > His proposal strikes me as very sensible. > > What's going on with gnome-wm? Is it usable yet? > > Tom To the best of my limited knowledge WRT the GTK+ WM, there was a bit of a snag which was hit with the GDK layer. I don't know all of the details, but having an integrated WM is definately a Good Thing. A second priority (IMHO) should be to try and help WM authors to code GTK+ themes to match their WMs. AFAIK, mandrake is working on a GTK+ theme which uses CVS Enlightenment's current widget images, and GTKStep already exists. If this is done, people who like E's configurability or Blackbox's speed can choose to use those WM's without having to download a new GTK+ Theme for every window manager theme. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 13085 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 03:18:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 03:18:53 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05239; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:18:53 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.38] (helo=lou-ts5-24.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11B8cd-0002sf-00; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 23:18:43 -0400 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:22:08 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: Eduardo Silva cc: gnome-gui-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Media: Another short comparisson bettween KDE and GNOME In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE mabye i'll chime in here (and i'm really stretchin' it for the tie in) but next month i'm spearheading/judging a 'best Linux Desktop' contest with TechRepublic (the group i write for). there will be a swell prize (yet to be announced) and i sure would like to see some good gnome desktops! you'll have to go to www.techrepublic.com to read the details in my article (next month at some point). i hope this wasn't breaking any ettiquette rules but i know that publicity (good pub) is hard to get and this is one way for Gnome to get some killer publicity! just a thought On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Eduardo Silva wrote: > Just found out a small comparisson(typo?) bettwen you know who. > The author says that GNOME is more of a work in progress than KDE is, but= that > he found the themes way cool(he says his son said it, but you know that's= what > he's thinking also:)) and found himself more time in it than in KDE. >=20 > http://www.theatlantic.com/issues/99aug/9908linuxside.htm >=20 > P.S.-I know there is already a lot of themes, but only really a few are > good/enjoyable (6,7?), be them Enlightenment or GTK ones.=20 > I think the main reason on the lack of many good themes is there isn't so= me kind > of tutorial on how to make them, neither there is much publicity for them= =2E >=20 > Publicity for the graphical/designer guy who could do > some very cool themes, but also to the normal potential user. I only foun= d about > themes in GNOME, after installing it by myself, a few months back. Sure, = it was > a pleasant surprise, but many people are still tied to the "one look" des= ktop, > and don't have any idea such a thing as what you did is possible. They wo= ul > d come runingif they knew. > Maybe also putting more recent screenshots in the Gnome page would help:) >=20 > Eduardo >=20 > <----------------------------------------------> > POLI:Projecto Portugu=EAs de Documenta=E7=E3o do Linux > http://www.poli.org >=20 > _________________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-gui-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 >=20 J A C K W A L L E N, J R. =20 get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost=20 =20 ----- Asleep at the switch! I wasn't asleep! I was drunk! =09=09-- Homer Simpson =09=09 Homer The Vigilante From alanr@stateind.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 20508 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 04:26:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 04:26:51 -0000 Received: from relay4.smtp.psi.net (relay4.smtp.psi.net [38.9.52.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA11042 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:26:51 -0400 From: alanr@stateind.com Received: from [38.227.117.5] (helo=notes1.notes.stateind.com) by relay4.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for gnome-list@gnome.org id 11B9gX-000058-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:26:50 -0400 Received: from opus.stateind.com ([100.125.1.2]) by notes1.notes.stateind.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 862567C1.00188674; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:27:52 -0500 X-Mailer: Arrow 1.0.5 (X11; Linux 2.2.10; i686) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: areynolds@geocities.com Subject: Intro and request for help Message-Id: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:26:50 -0400 Hello, Before I ask for help, allow me to introduce myself. My name is Alan and I'm a recent Linux/GNOME convert. I am a programmer/analyst and for the last few years I've been developing in-house Windoze apps with Visual Basic. I am looking forward to getting back to my C programming roots and developing some GNOME apps once I get comfortable with the OS and the tools. Now for my problem. I have been trying out different C IDE's and was in the process of compiling gIDE from a tarball when GNOME blew chunks on me and restarted. After I logged back in, Almost all of the menu items were gone, the arrows at each end of the bar were asterisks and didn't function, the time applet was missing, and the pager was missing. Let me clarify that last part because, as I said, I'm new to Linux/X/GNOME and I'm guessing at what the 'pager' is. The area where you can select desktops is missing, minimized applications do not appear, and those two buttons are missing. Since they're missing, I can't remember what they were! Anyway, after re-installing all of the GNOME RPMs I could find (I'm using RedHat 6), I've managed to get all of the menu items replaced and the arrows are back and functioning. However, the other stuff is still missing. Can anyone point me in the right direction? TIA, Alan Reynolds areynolds@geocities.com From justo-gnome@linuxstart.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 2179 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 04:51:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 04:51:51 -0000 Received: from ns1.filetron.com (qmailr@[206.171.92.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA13991 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:51:50 -0400 Received: (qmail 32560 invoked by uid 514); 2 Aug 1999 04:55:55 -0000 Date: 2 Aug 1999 04:55:55 -0000 Message-ID: <19990802045555.32559.qmail@ns1.filetron.com> From: justo-gnome To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. CC: I did these a while ago. They are proposals for improving the file-selection interfaces. http://samiam.olywa.net/gnomeui/ Justin ------ Do you do Linux? :) Get your FREE @linuxstart.com email address at: http://www.linuxstart.com From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 19795 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 05:18:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 05:18:10 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP74.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.84]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA15841 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 01:18:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA03550; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:22:06 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:22:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Daniel Serodio cc: Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You're right that having GNOME seperated from the window manager is a cool thing, in that we can select our own window managers. But I definitely think Dr. Mike is onto something here. Especially perceptionally, from a newcomer's perspective. There are a lot of pieces of software running cooperatively to do what we want to get done, but we want these things to operate as transparently together as we can. As it is now, it is very obvious that the window manager and GNOME are two seperate things, and from a newcomer's perspective it gives GNOME (or Linux in general, probably) the appearance of being hacked together sort of piecemeal. I think Dr. Mike's idea is for more of a fluid integration. The two points to think about are, in my opinion: 1/ Seperate of window manager and GNOME is a Good Thing 2/ Giving the appearance that they're the one unit is a Good Thing Cody On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > I do think window manager independency is one of the most important resons > for most of us hackers. I, for one, will scream if Gnome stops working > perfectly (full-featured) with Enlightenment. From dmiller@ilogic.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 21932 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 07:02:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 07:02:11 -0000 Received: from toad.ilogic.com.au (postfix@intern12.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA23267 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 03:02:08 -0400 Received: from mothra.ilogic.com.au (mothra.ilogic.com.au [203.36.198.97]) by toad.ilogic.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0327925279; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:02:04 +1000 (EST) Received: by mothra.ilogic.com.au (Postfix, from userid 500) id DC48C1F802; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:01:58 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mothra.ilogic.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id C797E1E802; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:01:58 +1000 (EST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:01:58 +1000 (EST) From: Damien Miller To: Michael Fulbright Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <199908020307.XAA19021@grudge.redhat.com> Message-ID: X-Paranoia: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Michael Fulbright wrote: > If it were not for us "encouraging" raster to make enlightenment work > with GNOME, I don't think we'd have a user friendly window manager that > worked cleanly with GNOME now. IceWM and WindowMaker got to be very user friendly and GNOME integrated all by themselves. Regards, Damien Miller -- | "Bombay is 250ms from New York in the new world order" - Alan Cox | Damien Miller - http://www.ilogic.com.au/~dmiller | Email: dmiller@ilogic.com.au (home) -or- damien@ibs.com.au (work) From Moredhel@earthling.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 32428 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 09:01:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 09:01:13 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA00194 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 05:01:12 -0400 Received: from UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.85.58]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA09486; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:00:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cby-wts by UK.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk205) id KAA27420; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:00:50 +0100 Received: from moredhel by cby-wts (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-se.fkk202) id KAA18024; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:00:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199908020900.KAA18024@cby-wts> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:58:36 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark R. Bowyer" Reply-To: "Mark R. Bowyer" Subject: Re: GNOME vs KDE To: nodatadj@webtribe.net, david@ritter.demon.co.uk Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: N/mh+XJ7LtsRTs90QD+bcw== Agreed - they didn't do much if any research, they just installed and ran and listed what they couldn't do. Yes this is what a newbie would do, but that was supposed to be an authoriative review =OZ Mind you, in the same issue we have a review of Wine as a means of seeing how Windows code works and possibly - and I paraphrase - turn the freely available code into Delphi widgets and sell them for a mint =OZ Plus, in the Advanced Linux how-to section, they discuss ip-chains. And they show the HTML docs for this inside IE5.0 =OZ Not exactly leading you to trust their knowledge, is it? -------My opinion - Not sane, intelligent or necessarily useful------- o o mailto:Moredhel@earthling.net /v\ark R. Bowyer. http://i.am/Moredhel mailto:Mark.Bowyer@UK.Sun.COM `-' "Everything is true, for a given value of 'true'" - PTerry >Date: Fri, 30 Jul 1999 20:11:09 +0100 >From: David Knight >X-Accept-Language: en >To: Iain >CC: gnome mailing list >Subject: Re: GNOME vs KDE >Resent-From: gnome-list@gnome.org >X-just-a-test: testing >X-URL: http://www.gnome.org > >Iain wrote: >> >> PC Plus (issue 155) has a GNOME vs KDE article. >> I can type it up if anyone wants to see it, but the quick verdict is > >I actually found the article of poor quality and have prepared a response to >it (admitedly I'm no expert at writing so its a bit pathetic) I plan to mail >them the url to see if I can get the link in the magazine. > >For anyone that wants to read an early version: >www.ritter.demon.co.uk/response.html > > >David > >-- >The superior man understands what is right; >the inferior man understands what will sell. > -- Confucius > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jgs@plurimarketing.pt Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 23593 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 10:12:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 10:12:27 -0000 Received: from fw-outer.plurimarketing.pt (root@[193.126.249.253]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA06909 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:12:24 -0400 Received: from pcjgs (pcjgs.plurimarketing.pt [192.168.254.21]) by fw-outer.plurimarketing.pt (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id LAA02703 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:12:11 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:12:26 +0100 Message-ID: <01BEDCD7.E7258DF0.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> From: Jorge Gomes Silva To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:12:24 +0100 Organization: Plurimarketing X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the enterprise. It also might be useful for the home user if you think about it at an Internet scale. Just a suggestion... Jorge. From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 31269 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 10:59:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 10:59:24 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA11123 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:59:24 -0400 Received: from modem-232.name35.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.177.232] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BFoQ-0006Sb-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:59:22 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02266 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:57:45 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:57:45 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you Message-ID: <19990802115745.A1701@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin>; from Ali Abdin on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:33:21AM +0300 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Ali Abdin (rafat@kcsnet.org) [990802 00:32]: > Anyway, I just thought I'd provide my constructive criticism for you :) > > Anyway, I have all the /LATEST/ RPMS from the gurulabs.com site. > I have an applet problem. The basic/default apps work perfectly, but any > new apps I install (i.e. gnomeicu or anything from the gnome-applets CVS > package) don't work. They just do not add themselves if I right-click and > select them. if I run them from gnome-terminal they work perfectly though > and register with the panel. But right-clicking and selecting them just > doesn't wokr. Any suggestions? it is very annoying > This *must* be a FAQ by now. When you install an rpm, stuff goes under the /usr/ tree. When you compile an app yourself, .configure and .autogen.sh default to /usr/local. This is what stops your applets from working from the right-click menu. The .desktop and .gnorba files are in the wrong place. When you have an rpm-based system, and compile apps yourself, you must run ./configure --prefix=/usr (or ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr for CVS). Try running ./configure --help next time you build an app yourself, it'll usually tell you its default prefix, and how to change it. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 62 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 11:38:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 11:38:31 -0000 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.159]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA15079 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:38:28 -0400 Received: from dialin168.zdv.uni-mainz.de (root@dialin468.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.175.168]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id NAA12166 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:38:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id NAA03262 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:33:30 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: not-for-mail From: Paul Seelig Newsgroups: local.gnome Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: 02 Aug 1999 13:33:29 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Lines: 37 Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87672ya03a.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Server-Date: 2 Aug 1999 11:33:30 GMT X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" In-Reply-To: jlwallen@iglou.com's message of "2 Aug 99 02:33:48 GMT" jlwallen@iglou.com (jack wallen, jr) writes: > i have to agree here! the ability to choose which window manager i wanted > was a large deciding factor for me choosing Gnome. I feel that the > ability to switch window managers at the drop of a hat (ala Gnome) make > Gnome that much more user friendly and configurable than KDE. > This is missing the fact that KDE's windowmanager can be exchanged by other ones too (with WindowMaker being one of the most popular). One big plus in favor of ease of setting up and use KDE is that a well integrated window manager does exist right from the start making the issue of choosing the right window manager a pure non-brainer. GNOME's modularized approach surely is a good thing for hackers and computerliterate people, but definitely not for people who don't want to care about what to choose - like the majority of my friends. There are lot's of people out there who don't really care about computers but are forced to work with them on a daily basis. I'd rather like to see a default window manager for GNOME *without* taking away the window manager independency like KDE currently does. This doesn't necessarily mean to implement a new one (it would IMHO be really silly to program yet another window manager...) but rather to *reuse* an already existing one (be it icewm, WMaker, or whatever). Me? I'm using exclusively the most recent WindowMaker, but compiled with support for *both* GNOME and KDE. I don't care using a complete GNOME or KDE desktop due to the hefty RAM requirements and prefer being able to use single *applications* from either with my really slim window manager. ;-) Cheers, P. *8^) PS: WindowMaker is the official GNU window manager BTW. -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 16276 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 12:26:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 12:26:50 -0000 Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19953 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:26:50 -0400 From: allbery@ece.cmu.edu Received: from ece.cmu.edu (allbery@HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.133]) by ece.cmu.edu (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA16182 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:26:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908021226.IAA16182@ece.cmu.edu> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:26:43 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: allbery@ece.cmu.edu Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <01BEDCD7.E7258DF0.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 2 Aug, Jorge Gomes Silva wrote: +----- | Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? | I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the enterprise. +--->8 The derision quotes are appropriate :) GNOME should *use* directory services. It should NOT define its own, nor should it have some preferred "integrated" directory service. Please try to remember that some of us run GNOME on platforms that are not Linux, and which include their own directory services; and that enterprise sites generally have directory services in place already and it is GNOME that will have to adapt to them, not vice versa. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 1753 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 13:36:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 13:36:41 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25151 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:36:41 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-34.powerisp.com [199.105.137.34]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id GAA15365; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 06:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A59E69.C2BF6236@jcinteractive.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:34:33 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: allbery@ece.cmu.edu CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. References: <199908021226.IAA16182@ece.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit allbery@ece.cmu.edu wrote: > > On 2 Aug, Jorge Gomes Silva wrote: > +----- > | Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? > | I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the enterprise. > +--->8 > > The derision quotes are appropriate :) > > GNOME should *use* directory services. It should NOT define its own, > nor should it have some preferred "integrated" directory service. > Please try to remember that some of us run GNOME on platforms that are > not Linux, and which include their own directory services; and > that enterprise sites generally have directory services in place > already and it is GNOME that will have to adapt to them, not vice versa. Ok, but should this be a GNOME thing, or an app thing? A library which accomplishes this would be nice, as it allows for app authors to easily code directory interfaces, but the core GNOME libraries are not the place for this (why load things into memory only one or two apps will use?). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 11620 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 13:45:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 13:45:58 -0000 Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25805 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:45:58 -0400 Received: from hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (allbery@HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.133]) by ece.cmu.edu (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA17011 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:45:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from allbery@localhost) by hilfy.ece.cmu.edu (8.9.2/8.8.8) id JAA03340 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:45:56 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:45:56 -0400 From: "Brandon S . Allbery" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. Message-ID: <19990802094556.A3218@hilfy> Reply-To: "Brandon S . Allbery" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 09:34:33 James M. Cape wrote: +----- | allbery@ece.cmu.edu wrote: | > On 2 Aug, Jorge Gomes Silva wrote: | > | Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? | > | I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the enterprise. | > | > GNOME should *use* directory services. It should NOT define its own, | > nor should it have some preferred "integrated" directory service. | | Ok, but should this be a GNOME thing, or an app thing? A library which +--->8 If it fits anywhere, it's at the level of GLIB. Which puts it pretty much outside GNOME. -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From jgs@plurimarketing.pt Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 30030 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 14:03:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 14:03:41 -0000 Received: from fw-outer.plurimarketing.pt (root@[193.126.249.253]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27287 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:03:39 -0400 Received: from pcjgs (pcjgs.plurimarketing.pt [192.168.254.21]) by fw-outer.plurimarketing.pt (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA04950; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:03:16 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:03:37 +0100 Message-ID: <01BEDCF8.32F83500.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> From: Jorge Gomes Silva To: "'James M. Cape'" , "allbery@ece.cmu.edu" Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:03:29 +0100 Organization: Plurimarketing X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe there should be an abstraction layer API that would seat on top of whatever directory services are available on the network (LDAP, NDS, NT Domain, whatever). In that way, a directory service supplier would make available a driver to their product that would be compliant with the "Gnome directory service API". Nothing was done regarding the issue of a directory service for GNOME so, this is the oportunity to get it right. If you look at Microsoft systems you'll see that there are several Directory services: a directory service for authentication of users in a Domain (allowing for access to files or printers in the domain), a separate directory for Exchange/Outlook, etc.. This could even be worked out with the KDE ppl because, as far as I know, they also don't have an integrated directory service. I'd love to work on such a project. However I don't really have the time (and I'm not that good programmer). Jorge. On Monday, August 02, 1999 2:35 PM, James M. Cape [SMTP:jcape@jcinteract ive.com] wrote: > allbery@ece.cmu.edu wrote: > > > > On 2 Aug, Jorge Gomes Silva wrote: > > +----- > > | Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? > > | I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the enterprise. > > +--->8 > > > > The derision quotes are appropriate :) > > > > GNOME should *use* directory services. It should NOT define its own, > > nor should it have some preferred "integrated" directory service. > > Please try to remember that some of us run GNOME on platforms that are > > not Linux, and which include their own directory services; and > > that enterprise sites generally have directory services in place > > already and it is GNOME that will have to adapt to them, not vice versa. > > Ok, but should this be a GNOME thing, or an app thing? A library which > accomplishes this would be nice, as it allows for app authors to easily > code directory interfaces, but the core GNOME libraries are not the > place for this (why load things into memory only one or two apps will > use?). > > Jim Cape > http://www.jcinteractive.com > > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them > pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." > -- Winston Churchill > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 19567 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 14:28:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 14:28:05 -0000 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (root@perio.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.16.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29388 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:27:48 -0400 Received: from speedy.perio.unlp.edu.ar ([163.10.16.11]) by perio.unlp.edu.ar (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10083; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:08:24 GMT From: "Sergio A. Kessler" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <01BEDCD7.E7258DF0.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:06:48 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Correo Fácil To: gnome-list@gnome.org, jgs@plurimarketing.pt Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Jorge Gomes Silva el día Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:12:24 +0100, escribió: >Hello, > >Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? > >I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the enterprise. >It also might be useful for the home user if you think about it at an >Internet scale. I think the correct place to go is http://www.openldap.org Sergio From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 23079 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 14:29:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 14:29:48 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29593; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:29:47 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem119.webtribe.net [194.164.194.119]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA28920; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:31:38 GMT Message-ID: <001c01bedcf2$964a4a40$77c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: Cc: "gnome mailing list" , , Subject: ANNOUNCE: GtkComboButton 0.3.5 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:22:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Another release of GtkComboButton. Available at, http://www.webtribe.net/a/ambiance/gtkcombobutton-0.3.3.5.tar.gz "Homepage" http://www.webtribe.net/a/ambiance New features o - Button contents can change with menu selection. (Use gtk_combobutton_new_with_menu() for this functionality). - Thanks to Masatake Yamato Bugfix o - Fixed the bug in the menu positioning code. - Thanks to Chi Deok Hwang. Changes o - Changed the CHILD_SPACING to 2 instead of 1, which makes it look right when used in a GtkToolbar. - Again thanks to Masatake. Iain From kodis@jagunet.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 23355 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 14:29:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 14:29:57 -0000 Received: from kodis.jagunet.com (kodis@kodis.jaguNET.com [206.156.208.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29618 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:29:55 -0400 Received: (from kodis@localhost) by kodis.jagunet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA22088 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:29:51 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:29:51 -0400 From: John Kodis To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Message-ID: <19990802102951.A22085@kodis.jagunet.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990802101335.A21854@kodis.jagunet.com> <19990802141420.6095.qmail@lists.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990802141420.6095.qmail@lists.redhat.com>; from gnome-list-request@gnome.org on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:14:20PM -0000 On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:18:48PM -0500, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: > > a. To make the interface easier. > b. To make it more intuitive to people. I've been playing with the panel for the past few weeks, and have found a few rough edges that could probably be smoothed out pretty quickly: + It's needlessly difficult to adjust the type, location, and size of a panel. There's one menu item for conversion between edge and corner panels, another configuration page to change from horizontal to vertical and to pick a corner, and yet another configuration page to pick a panel size. At the least, these adjustments could be placed on the same page. Even better, this page could have a diagram showing four edge panels and eight corner panels, and the panel type could be changed by clicking on the desired panel type in the diagram. Better still would be some means of reconfiguring the panel by dragging it to the desired edge or corner. + I don't see any reason why the panel has to be glued to an edge. I can easily envision a screen layout that has two edge panels, one below the other, along the top of the screen. For example, the top panel could be devoted to applets, while the lower panel could be devoted to holding iconized applications. + It would be handy to be able to configure a panel, and save this panel configuration for future use. The panel control menu would have to get several new entries: "New", Open...", and "Save as...", similar to a document-oriented application. "New" would create a default panel, either empty or with a selection of common applets pre-installed. + There are some fun things that could be done with "greedy applets" -- applets that expand to occupy all vacant space in a panel. Imagine a horizontal edge panel with a few applets on the left, a few iconized apps on the right, and a lot of vacant space between. Now imagine a "greedy" version of the fish applet, which allows Wanda to swim back and forth over this entire stretch of the panel, rather than being confined to a tiny square area. Cool, huh? + There are quite a few clock applets. This is probably a good thing, as peoples taste in clocks will vary widely (BTW, I'd like one that looks just like xclock, but can't find one that I like). However, there are so many clock applets that it's hard to spot the non-clock applets in the Utility menu. I'd suggest either a separate "Clocks" applet menu item, or else a grand unified clock application that can select and launch any of the simple clock applets. > 2. A team coordinator that would compile and maintain all of these > ideas and comments. He would need to provide a document on the > web to allow the developers to address those usability issues. Congratulations to our new team coordinator. Thanks for stepping up to the task. I'd suggest that one of your first executive decisions should be picking the mailing list to carry these discussions. Both gnome-list and gnome-gui-list seem appropriate, but it would probably be best to appoint one or the other as the official home of this thread. -- John Kodis. From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 6915 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 14:41:51 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30938 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:41:44 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.248]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 352; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:34:01 +0300 Message-ID: <018901bedcf5$0e91ffa0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: "Tom Gilbert" Cc: References: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> <19990802115745.A1701@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:41:03 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 DOH! I think we all know this by now. And that is how I used to compile (its pretty hard to imagine that some people know what they're doing). Anyway - the gnorba files get placed incorrectly with ./autogen.sh --prefix=/user or ./configure --prefix=/usr. What you need to do is ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc - The gnorba files need to go under /etc and not /usr/etc - If you would like to fix the FAQ please do. > > This *must* be a FAQ by now. When you install an rpm, stuff goes under > the /usr/ tree. When you compile an app yourself, .configure and > .autogen.sh default to /usr/local. This is what stops your applets from > working from the right-click menu. The .desktop and .gnorba files are > in the wrong place. > > When you have an rpm-based system, and compile apps yourself, you must > run ./configure --prefix=/usr (or ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr for CVS). > > Try running ./configure --help next time you build an app yourself, > it'll usually tell you its default prefix, and how to change it. > > Tom. > -- > .-------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From msf@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 28673 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 15:02:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 15:02:02 -0000 Received: from avatar.labs.redhat.com (root@avatar.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.62]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA32128 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:02:02 -0400 Received: from avatar.labs.redhat.com (IDENT:msf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avatar.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA01341; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:04:26 -0400 Message-Id: <199908021504.LAA01341@avatar.labs.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Damien Miller cc: Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message from Damien Miller of "Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:01:58 +1000." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:04:26 -0400 From: Michael Fulbright dmiller@ilogic.com.au said: > IceWM and WindowMaker got to be very user friendly and GNOME > integrated all by themselves. Icewm does not have a GUI tool for configuring options like focus, keybindings, turning on/off cool features. It does seem to work with GNOME well (althogh it doesn't automatically remove its panel if it detects GNOME is running). Having to edit a text file to configure a window manager knocks it out of the running in my book if you want it to be easy to use and configure. Window Maker (I think the real name is the GNUStep window manager but people seem to call it Window Maker still) requires quite a bit of configuring, not obvious to a newbie, to work well with GNOME. Its icons and wharf, in my experience, can really confuse a new user who wonders why there are different kind of icons (GNOME and Window Maker) on the desktop. Plus it doesn't allow the gmc selection mouse events throughto the desktop so you can't rubberband icons on the desktop. This may have been fixed recently so I could be wrong. It isn't clear to me either that Window Maker and gnome-session don't have issues working together based on email's I've read on the GNOME mailing lists. Both are top-notch window managers, but they, like all other window managers, were not engineered to work with the GNOME environment and UI. I have read negative comments in many comparisons of GNOME and KDE that were because our WM is not neatly integrated into the fold. I am really pleased we have choices in which window manager currently works with GNOME. We will have more choices when the GNOME/KDE window manager spec is completely. Anyone who suggests this isn't important doesn't understand the hacker mentality. Dr Mike From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 2362 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 15:37:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 15:37:06 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02998 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:37:05 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJTW2>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:37:11 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Sergio A. Kessler'" , gnome-list@gnome.org, jgs@plurimarketing.pt Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:39:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Gconf is beign coded to be modular. A LDAP module is expected. Since = gconf is a console library, any program can make use of it. > -----Original Message----- > From: Sergio A. Kessler [mailto:ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 7:07 AM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org; jgs@plurimarketing.pt > Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. >=20 >=20 > Jorge Gomes Silva el d=EDa Mon, 2 Aug=20 > 1999 11:12:24=20 > +0100, escribi=F3: >=20 > >Hello, > > > >Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? > > > >I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in=20 > the enterprise.=20 > >It also might be useful for the home user if you think about=20 > it at an=20 > >Internet scale. >=20 > I think the correct place to go is http://www.openldap.org >=20 > Sergio >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at=20 > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail=20 > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 13729 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 15:46:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 15:46:17 -0000 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (root@perio.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.16.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03558 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:43:02 -0400 Received: from speedy.perio.unlp.edu.ar ([163.10.16.11]) by perio.unlp.edu.ar (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA10442 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:23:32 GMT From: "Sergio A. Kessler" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:47 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Correo Fácil To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit "Fox, Kevin M" el día Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:39:30 -0700, escribió: >Gconf is beign coded to be modular. A LDAP module is expected. Since gconf >is a console library, any program can make use of it. there is a gconf mailing list ? Sergio From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 15402 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 15:48:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 15:48:57 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03997; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:48:57 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJTXK>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:49:12 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Michael Fulbright'" , gnome-list@gnome.org, "'gnome-devel-list@gnome.org'" Subject: GNOME Usability Improvements Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:51:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Suggestion. One of the usability problems in programs has always been, features vs. ease of use. If it is to be powerful, it will have many options that get in the way of non power users. I think the solution to the problem is to use libglade and some hacked gnome code. Then through a control center capplet, you can choose GURU mode verses simple mode. Then the programs appear with a basic gui for the people who only want a simple interface, and us guru's, :), get the better gui's. Using libglade will simplify coding and allow for more flexibility. Libglade has like 0 overhead so that wouldn't be much of a problem. Second suggestion on the lines of the wm. Please maintain neutral on the wm. One of the reasons that I chose gnome over kde is because I had my choice of wm. As long as the wm spec goes out, it wont be a problem making a gnome wm. We just can use any wm spec compliant wm. Also, the other concern with the wm is themes. Proposed solution: Make a scheme. A scheme is a file with a list of different themes. EX: gtk=eMac enlightenment=eMac wm=joebobtheme Since themes are sorted by type like /themename/gtk. It would be easy to have /eMac/gtk/* /eMac/E/* /eMac/backgrounds/* /eMac/qt/* /eMac/wm/* /eMac/scheme A scheme capplet would replace the current theme selector and change all themes at once via add on modules. From fantamos@excite.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 16242 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 15:50:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 15:50:34 -0000 Received: from fortune.excite.com (fortune-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.203]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04097 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:50:29 -0400 Received: from speedy.excite.com ([199.172.152.78]) by fortune.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990802154957.UQAN530.fortune@speedy.excite.com>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:49:57 -0700 From: "Matt Craun" To: "Michael Fulbright" , gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: raster@linux.com Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-Id: <933608998.15212.580@excite.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:49:58 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 208.197.122.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain I disagee with Mr. Fulbright. I do not think that there should be one,people should have the right to interface with whatever manger they want. Wheither it be E or KDE or blackbox. Your asking for alot more trouble than you realize by saying that maybe there should be a window's manager for gnome. Once a manager is created for gnome, new users will assume that is the only one out there for gnome. You ended up with the debate over wheither this one is better than that one, which will bring a limit in the minds of those new users to the plethora of options available. You then begin to start a nasty dialog that would end result in dividing the community as a whole. What should be the issue here is improving gnome to do what desktop software has never gone before. If a team needs to be constructed to do this then great, do it. I personally think the easiler, more stabile,more configurablity more functional a product is the better it does for the community and those groups that are undecided as a whole. Here is the challenge: make it even easiler for gnome to work with the various window managers, show that the gnome desktop can work in so many ways. Gnome can do some of this already, but more needs to be done in order for this to happen. Matt On Sun, 01 Aug 1999 22:09:57 -0400, Michael Fulbright wrote: > I applaud the recent rejuvenation of the GNOME UI effort. I hope that the > people working on it can give us regular drafts for comments. I would > advise them not to try and make it too much of a "tell us what you want > and we'll add it all" - we need a few people with UI experience to > draft a proposal, and then get comments from everyone. Otherwise you'll get > what we had last time. > > The best way I can see to help usability FAST is to get the KDE/GNOME > window manager spec ironed out. I think the worst aspect of the current > GNOME desktop to new users (according to all the feedback email I > get since my email address is in every GNOME RPM :) is the abitrary > distinction between the GNOME desktop and the window manager. Currently > the GNOME desktop and the window manager fight over things like > background settings and mouse clicks on the desktop. Some window managers > claim to support GNOME, and yet when in 'GNOME mode' they throw up their > own panel equivalent, icons, etc. The words 'window manager' should never > show up on the desktop imho - users should not have to learn about them. > > The worst offender are themes - on the Red Hat 6.0 tour I talked to alot > of people about GNOME and KDE. Most people seem to perceive more features > in GNOME, but did not like having to deal with the window manager. In KDE > this is not an issue. I had numerous people ask me why they have to > configure TWO themes. I think the GNOME project should very seriously consider > pursuing (with great vigor) a window manager for GNOME that gives us the > level of control over the environment that allows us to hide the fact > a window manager is even running from the novice user. > > Note I have advocated two things: > > 1) Get the spec worked out in common for both the GNOME and KDE environments. > A window manager author will then have a single target and it is > much more likely window managers will properly work with both. > > 2) For the much larger class of potential new users (compared to the small > current user base of Linux) we should have a window manager we have > designed that works closely with GNOME (via CORBA) that completely > hides the window manager from the user. Themes will be shared with > gtk+ themes, the issue of who owns the background will be gone, the > pager and task list applets won't have to use broken X11 tricks to > get window lists, etc. > > Of all the reasons people pick GNOME versus KDE, I think the fact that > GNOME is supposedly window manager independent is very low on the list of > reasons. It certainly is not one of the top three. I think its time > to consider making a distinction between "GNOME compliant" window manager > and "GNOME enhanced" window managers. The later is what a newbie will > want to use. > > We can satisfy both the seasoned Linux users who have a favorite window manager > as well as the new user who just wants it to work. I think in terms of > usability we have a great deal to address for the later when in comes to > the window manager. > > Next on the list would be the file manager, but this email is already too long. > > Dr Mike > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > I had to hit him -- he was starting to make sense. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 16695 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 15:51:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 15:51:37 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04202 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:51:36 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJTXW>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:51:52 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'andersen@xmission.com'" , Augusto Cesar Radtke , "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: GNOME plans (--> mail clients) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:54:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Use libglade. You maintain the gtkness of your program and the flexability to allow the user to use whatever look they want. Plus it is easy to code with. (not much code needed. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Erik Andersen [mailto:andersen@xmission.com] > Sent: Saturday, July 31, 1999 10:51 AM > To: Augusto Cesar Radtke > Subject: Re: GNOME plans (--> mail clients) > > > On Sat, Jul 31, 1999 at 02:38:27PM -0300, Augusto Cesar Radtke wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999, James Green wrote: > > > > > Yep. In that department, OutLook isn't bad. MS has always > been very good > > > at UI design imho. > > > > No M$ please, I'm thinking in a Eudora like look and feel. :) > > > > Why not use skins for the proposed mailer, so folks that like > outlook can > have it look like outlook, folks that like eudora can have it > look like > eudora, and folks that like mutt/elm/pine/whatever can hve it > look that > way too... > > Perhaps some creative theft from xmms (which allows skins and > is GPL'ed) > could speed things up... > > -Erik > > -- > Erik B. Andersen Web: http://www.xmission.com/~andersen/ > email: andersee@debian.org > --This message was written using 73% post-consumer electrons-- > > > -- > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-devel-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" > as the Subject. > From bogadofuture@openlink.com.br Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 20878 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:00:23 -0000 Received: from ol24-245 (ol24-245.openlink.com.br [200.240.24.245]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04775 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:00:21 -0400 Received: from openlink.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ol24-245 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA27821 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:00:15 -0300 Sender: bogado@ol24-245 Message-ID: <37A5C08F.1B2A687E@openlink.com.br> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:00:15 -0300 From: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR, pt, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: GNOME plans (--> mail clients) References: <19990919111154.A345@devil> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Lubos Gelo wrote: > > On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 07:13:30 Havoc Pennington wrote: My comments, about your killer-app. > > I feel that email killer-app for Gnome should be: > > - good looking (design and look is VERY important) Very important indeed, agree 100%. > - simple and easy to use Also agree, but look below. > - self-contained (it should not depend on fetchmail, procmail and others) Don't agree, I think that a gnome-mailer should be able to use this actions using the system resources. My idea is the following: 1. Create a CORBA fetchmail server, that calls fetchmail and fetchs your mail. 2. Create a email capplet for the gnome control-center. This could be inteligent enougth in comming up with a inteligent default based on the user name, hostname. 3. The email client would simply use the corba server to ask politely to the server fetch mails and send the new ones. > - secure (support for GPG/PGP is simple MUST, support for POP/IMAP over SSL or > SASL would be nice too) Smime too? I don't know why but I never saw a free implemantation of SMime. As you usualy say this is just my two cents. :-) -- "You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland, and I'll show you how deep the rabit hole goes", Morpheus. []'s Victor Bogado da Silva Lins From sjb@dundee.lia.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 21893 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:01:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:01:23 -0000 Received: from liadun.dundee.lia.net (liadun.dundee.lia.net [196.38.155.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04867 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:01:18 -0400 Received: from dun04.dundee.lia.net (jab.home) [196.38.155.134] (mail) by liadun.dundee.lia.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11BKVp-0001Vh-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:00:29 +0200 Received: from sjb by jab.home with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) for gnome-list@gnome.org id 11BL3h-0000ea-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:35:29 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:35:29 +0200 From: "Sarel J. Botha" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990802183529.A2411@jab.home> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> <199908020259.TAA19633@ferrule.cygnus.com.> <37A50BBD.91BF0748@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <37A50BBD.91BF0748@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:08:45PM -0500 On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:08:45PM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > To the best of my limited knowledge WRT the GTK+ WM, there was a bit of > a snag which was hit with the GDK layer. I don't know all of the > details, but having an integrated WM is definately a Good Thing. > > A second priority (IMHO) should be to try and help WM authors to code > GTK+ themes to match their WMs. AFAIK, mandrake is working on a GTK+ > theme which uses CVS Enlightenment's current widget images, and GTKStep > already exists. If this is done, people who like E's configurability or > Blackbox's speed can choose to use those WM's without having to download > a new GTK+ Theme for every window manager theme. > Woudln't this be a good time to introduce GNOME themes? Like KDE, they also apply to the wm, but it doesn't make a sound if you're using another wm. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarel Botha | Computer & | +27 341 81341 (sjb@dundee.lia.net) | Accounting | BOX 2065, Dundee | Services | 3000, South Africa ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From sjb@dundee.lia.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 22099 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:01:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:01:31 -0000 Received: from liadun.dundee.lia.net (liadun.dundee.lia.net [196.38.155.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04881 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:01:27 -0400 Received: from dun04.dundee.lia.net (jab.home) [196.38.155.134] (mail) by liadun.dundee.lia.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11BKVm-0001Vf-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:00:26 +0200 Received: from sjb by jab.home with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) for gnome-list@gnome.org id 11BLMN-0000ex-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:54:47 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:54:47 +0200 From: "Sarel J. Botha" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Intro and request for help Message-ID: <19990802185447.B2411@jab.home> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from alanr@stateind.com on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 12:26:50AM -0400 On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 12:26:50AM -0400, alanr@stateind.com wrote: > Anyway, after re-installing all of the GNOME RPMs I could find (I'm using RedHat 6), I've managed to get all of the menu items replaced and the arrows are back and functioning. However, the other stuff is still missing. Can anyone point me in the right direction? rm -rf .gnome in your home directory. It should return to the default -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sarel Botha | Computer & | +27 341 81341 (sjb@dundee.lia.net) | Accounting | BOX 2065, Dundee | Services | 3000, South Africa ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 18686 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:21:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:21:50 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06655 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:21:49 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJT6M>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:22:05 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Sergio A. Kessler'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:24:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable config@lists.wiggy.net config-request@lists.wiggy.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Sergio A. Kessler [mailto:ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:22 AM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. >=20 >=20 > "Fox, Kevin M" el d=EDa Mon, 2 Aug=20 > 1999 08:39:30=20 > -0700, escribi=F3: >=20 > >Gconf is beign coded to be modular. A LDAP module is=20 > expected. Since gconf > >is a console library, any program can make use of it. >=20 > there is a gconf mailing list ? >=20 > Sergio >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at=20 > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail=20 > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 29025 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:29:28 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07405 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:29:27 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-34.powerisp.com [199.105.137.34]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA23135; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:26:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A5C636.D197C14D@jcinteractive.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:24:22 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Sarel J. Botha" CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> <37A4FF2E.FA492E0F@email.com> <199908020259.TAA19633@ferrule.cygnus.com.> <37A50BBD.91BF0748@jcinteractive.com> <19990802183529.A2411@jab.home> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Sarel J. Botha" wrote: > > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:08:45PM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > > To the best of my limited knowledge WRT the GTK+ WM, there was a bit of > > a snag which was hit with the GDK layer. I don't know all of the > > details, but having an integrated WM is definately a Good Thing. > > > > A second priority (IMHO) should be to try and help WM authors to code > > GTK+ themes to match their WMs. AFAIK, mandrake is working on a GTK+ > > theme which uses CVS Enlightenment's current widget images, and GTKStep > > already exists. If this is done, people who like E's configurability or > > Blackbox's speed can choose to use those WM's without having to download > > a new GTK+ Theme for every window manager theme. > > > > Woudln't this be a good time to introduce GNOME themes? Like KDE, they also > apply to the wm, but it doesn't make a sound if you're using another wm. Well, a GTK+ WM will use the images used in a GTK+ Theme, so once the GTK+ WM is finished and released, this feature is automatic. What I was thinking was helping WM authors who want to be to write in GNOME compliance also write GTK+ Themes that use the configurations of their WMs in a GTK+ Theme. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From tshull@mail.family-net.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 4512 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:34:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:34:10 -0000 Received: from mail.family-net.net (mail.family-net.net [209.144.36.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07823 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:34:10 -0400 Received: from clinton-famnet.com (clinton11.family-net.net [209.144.46.76]) by mail.family-net.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA11549 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:38:45 -0500 (CDT) Sender: tshull@mail.family-net.net Message-ID: <37A5C908.AC255586@clinton-famnet.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 11:36:24 -0500 From: Terry Shull X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-ac12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: /etc/hosts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sometime ago there was a posting to this list on what to put in /etc/hosts. I've lost the posting and can't find any information on it. Could someone repost or send direct. Thanks From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 8064 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:37:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:37:23 -0000 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.159]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08077 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:37:14 -0400 Received: from dialin145.zdv.uni-mainz.de (root@dialin445.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.175.145]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA17236 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:37:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id RAA06282 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:23:51 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: not-for-mail From: Paul Seelig Newsgroups: local.gnome Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: 02 Aug 1999 17:23:50 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Lines: 37 Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87yafu8aux.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Server-Date: 2 Aug 1999 15:23:51 GMT To: jlwallen@iglou.com (jack wallen, jr) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" In-Reply-To: jlwallen@iglou.com's message of "2 Aug 99 02:33:48 GMT" jlwallen@iglou.com (jack wallen, jr) writes: > i have to agree here! the ability to choose which window manager i wanted > was a large deciding factor for me choosing Gnome. I feel that the > ability to switch window managers at the drop of a hat (ala Gnome) make > Gnome that much more user friendly and configurable than KDE. > This is missing the fact that KDE's windowmanager can be exchanged by other ones too (with WindowMaker being one of the most popular). One big plus in favor of ease of setting up and use KDE is that a well integrated window manager does exist right from the start making the issue of choosing the right window manager a pure non-brainer. GNOME's modularized approach surely is a good thing for hackers and computerliterate people, but definitely not for people who don't want to care about what to choose - like the majority of my friends. There are lot's of people out there who don't really care about computers but are forced to work with them on a daily basis. I'd rather like to see a default window manager for GNOME *without* taking away the window manager independency like KDE currently does. This doesn't necessarily mean to implement a new one (it would IMHO be really silly to program yet another window manager...) but rather to *reuse* an already existing one (be it icewm, WMaker, or whatever). Me? I'm using exclusively the most recent WindowMaker, but compiled with support for *both* GNOME and KDE. I don't care using a complete GNOME or KDE desktop due to the hefty RAM requirements and prefer being able to use single *applications* from either with my really slim window manager. ;-) Cheers, P. *8^) PS: WindowMaker is the official GNU window manager BTW. -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 21556 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:46:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:46:42 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08826 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:46:41 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJT84>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:46:56 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Paul Seelig'" , gnome-list@gnome.org, jlwallen@iglou.com Subject: RE: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:49:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Ease of installation should be handled by the distribution. We don't want to loose functionality for ease of installation for people who don't have a good distribution. > -----Original Message----- > From: Paul Seelig [mailto:pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 8:24 AM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org; jlwallen@iglou.com > Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! > > > jlwallen@iglou.com (jack wallen, jr) writes: > > > i have to agree here! the ability to choose which window > manager i wanted > > was a large deciding factor for me choosing Gnome. I feel that the > > ability to switch window managers at the drop of a hat (ala > Gnome) make > > Gnome that much more user friendly and configurable than KDE. > > > This is missing the fact that KDE's windowmanager can be exchanged by > other ones too (with WindowMaker being one of the most popular). One > big plus in favor of ease of setting up and use KDE is that a well > integrated window manager does exist right from the start making the > issue of choosing the right window manager a pure non-brainer. > > GNOME's modularized approach surely is a good thing for hackers and > computerliterate people, but definitely not for people who don't want > to care about what to choose - like the majority of my friends. There > are lot's of people out there who don't really care about computers > but are forced to work with them on a daily basis. I'd rather like to > see a default window manager for GNOME *without* taking away the > window manager independency like KDE currently does. This doesn't > necessarily mean to implement a new one (it would IMHO be really silly > to program yet another window manager...) but rather to *reuse* an > already existing one (be it icewm, WMaker, or whatever). > > Me? I'm using exclusively the most recent WindowMaker, but compiled > with support for *both* GNOME and KDE. I don't care using a complete > GNOME or KDE desktop due to the hefty RAM requirements and prefer > being able to use single *applications* from either with my really > slim window manager. ;-) > Cheers, P. *8^) > > PS: WindowMaker is the official GNU window manager BTW. > -- > --------- Paul Seelig ----------- > African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies > Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany > ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From bw@evil.empire Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 21789 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:46:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:46:52 -0000 Received: from evil.empire (pa106.opole.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.20.106]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08841 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:46:46 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by evil.empire (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01446; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:40:13 +0200 Sender: bw@evil.empire Message-ID: <37A57B81.DFDACF9D@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:05:37 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Tromey CC: Miguel de Icaza , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <199908012005.NAA16443@ferrule.cygnus.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Tromey wrote: > Miguel> Is this a problem? Do people mind? Or do people applaud this > Miguel> duality? > > I think it is a problem if we have to write the code twice. It's also problem from user's point of view, user have to learn twice how to handle things. Duality doesnt make sense here as it produces inconsistency, rather than giving a choice. -- BlackWine. From brisbin@thorco.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 25086 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 16:49:10 -0000 Received: from S10B4429.THORCO.COM ([12.10.106.133]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA09041 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:48:50 -0400 Received: from linux.thorco.com([10.10.2.68]) by S10B4429.THORCO.COM (IBM OS/400 SMTP V04R03M00) with TCP; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:47:01 +0000 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:45:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Jon Brisbin Reply-To: brisbin@ipa.net To: Terry Shull cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: /etc/hosts In-Reply-To: <37A5C908.AC255586@clinton-famnet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Terry Shull wrote: > Sometime ago there was a posting to this list on what to put in > /etc/hosts. I've lost the posting and can't find any information on it. > Could someone repost or send direct. > > Thanks > You can download my hosttable editor: ghost_edit, at: http://members.tripod.com/~jonathanbrisbin/ghost_edit/ It automatically loads /etc/hosts by default. It reads the host file, and supports the following format: 0.0.0.0 host.domain.com host The first entry is the IP number, the second (tab or space-delimited) is the actual hostname, and the third is the alias (so you can type linux instead of linux.domain.com, for example)... Hope this helps! P.S.- Looking for user input on my ghost_edit program, too... Comments welcome! Jon > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > Jon Brisbin +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ JonathanBrisbin@excite.com From dvainius@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 3790 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 17:01:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 17:01:49 -0000 Received: from mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de (mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de [134.76.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10491 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:01:46 -0400 Received: (from dvainius@localhost) by mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) id TAA29503 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:33 +0200 (MET DST) From: Darius Vainius Message-Id: <199908021701.TAA29503@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de> Subject: more than one desktop To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:01:33 +0200 (MET DST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL23] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit how one can create more than one desktop (not virtual desktops == 'desktop areas') in GNOME? I'm sure it should be possible to do this, but I couldn't find any answer to this question neither in FAQs nor in GNOME User's Guide. Unfortunatelly something like "GNOME HOWTO" doesn't exist at all. Darius From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 28988 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 17:26:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 17:26:09 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13128 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:26:07 -0400 Received: from modem-105.name39.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.179.105] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11BLqf-0005AW-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:26:05 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03283 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:07:26 GMT Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:07:26 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you Message-ID: <19990802170726.A3077@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <007701bedc76$411995c0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> <19990802115745.A1701@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <018901bedcf5$0e91ffa0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <018901bedcf5$0e91ffa0$e9eee2c3@aliabdin>; from Ali Abdin on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 05:41:03PM +0300 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Ali Abdin (rafat@kcsnet.org) [990802 16:54]: > DOH! I think we all know this by now. And that is how I used to compile > (its pretty hard to imagine that some people know what they're doing). > Anyway - the gnorba files get placed incorrectly with > ./autogen.sh --prefix=/user or ./configure --prefix=/usr. What you need to > do is ./configure --prefix=/usr --sysconfdir=/etc - The gnorba files need > to go under /etc and not /usr/etc - If you would like to fix the FAQ please > do. > > > > This *must* be a FAQ by now. When you install an rpm, stuff goes under > > the /usr/ tree. When you compile an app yourself, .configure and > > .autogen.sh default to /usr/local. This is what stops your applets from > > working from the right-click menu. The .desktop and .gnorba files are > > in the wrong place. > > > > When you have an rpm-based system, and compile apps yourself, you must > > run ./configure --prefix=/usr (or ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr for CVS). > > > > Try running ./configure --help next time you build an app yourself, > > it'll usually tell you its default prefix, and how to change it. > > > > Tom. Like I said, run ./configure --help. These options are all mentioned, as are others. It is something you should *always* do before running configure - find out what it can do! -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From 1stflight@donet.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 31297 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 17:28:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 17:28:11 -0000 Received: from mail.donet.com (pumpkin.donet.com [205.133.113.43]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA13383 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:28:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 5901 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 17:28:08 -0000 Received: from pm03-s28.donet.com (HELO donet.com) (216.28.193.156) by pumpkin.donet.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 17:28:08 -0000 Message-ID: <37A5D577.511329C@donet.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:29:27 -0400 From: "1stFlight !" <1stflight@donet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Gnome\Enlightenment Problem ? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello all, > > I've run into a problem with Redhat 6.0, Gnome and Enlightenment > configuration. After attempting to use Enlightenment themes with Gnome > (worked pretty well for the scroll bars and buttons) for some reason > Enlightenment crapped out on me, now (keep in mind the only as root part > of the problem here other users don't experience it) whenever Gnome > starts, the window borders, buttons, and scroll bars don't (all the > parts of Enlightenment) but I did manage to get the following error when > trying to run e-conf from a terminal window > > Gdk-Error**:BadWindows (invalid Windows parameter) serial 118 error_code > 3 request_code 2 minor_code 0 > aborting > > Alright, at this point I'm lost, I know its a user specific file related > to Enlightenment that's screwed up but I've no idea where to even start > trying to fix things, any help is as always appreciated! Thanks! > > Darryl > > -- > "Though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and > heaven, that which we are, we are; one equal temper of heroic hearts > made weak by time and fate but strong in will to strive, to seek, to > find and not to yield" > > Tennyson's "Ulysses" -- "Though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; one equal temper of heroic hearts made weak by time and fate but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield" Tennyson's "Ulysses" From kent.perrier@pgs.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 27879 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 18:15:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:15:42 -0000 Received: from outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com (outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.25.67]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA17235 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:15:40 -0400 Received: from pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com (pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com [157.147.19.6]) by outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA09252 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pgs.com (mamba.hstn.geobank.pgs.com [157.147.17.32]) by pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id NAA22552 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:19:52 -0500 Message-ID: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:15:20 -0500 From: Kent Perrier Organization: Organization organized to reduce the number of characters in one's Organization e-mail header X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Here is what we need: > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: > > a. To make the interface easier. > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > c. To make the system more consistent. > d. To make the system "nicer". > e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. > f. To improve the documentation of GNOME. I would just like it if gnome didn't leave core files in my home directory. Once the problems that cause this are fixed, then UI improvements should be undertaken. Kent -- Groovy! Smashing! Yay capitalism! - Austin Powers, Man of Mystery From msf@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 23483 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 18:33:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:33:42 -0000 Received: from avatar.labs.redhat.com (root@avatar.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.62]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18513 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:33:42 -0400 Received: from avatar.labs.redhat.com (IDENT:msf@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by avatar.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA03276 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:36:15 -0400 Message-Id: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:36:15 -0400 From: Michael Fulbright On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 08:49:58AM -0700, Matt Craun wrote: > Your asking for alot more trouble > than you realize by saying that maybe there should be a window's manager for > gnome. Once a manager is created for gnome, new users will assume that is > the only one out there for gnome. You ended up with the debate over wheither > this one is better than that one, which will bring a limit in the minds of > those new users to the plethora of options available. You then begin to > start a nasty dialog that would end result in dividing the community as a > whole. What should be the issue here is improving gnome to do what desktop > software has never gone before. If a team needs to be constructed to do this > then great, do it. How is this different than what we have now? A new user doesn't usually even know (or care to know) what a window manager is. When they run GNOME the first time there will be some window manager running. They are just as likely to think that is the only option available if that window manger is Enlightenment, 9wm, twm, ctwm, etc as if it were a window manager that was actually engineered to work more closely with GNOME than any legacy window manager. I think you are both overestimating how much most people care about things like window managers and simultaneously understimating their ability to discover that there are other options available if they choose to try them out. From people I know who run windows help desk I have yet to here them having problems with the fact windows only has one "window manager". The class of problems that you have to worry about for new users are things like "How do I format a floppy?" and "How do I get these files onto Bob's machine?". We don't do either of these well w/o a MIS person around unfortunately. I want to transcend above the holy war of which window manager is best and simply give users a good solid starting point that will just work. If they are motivated I'm sure they'll hear all about the other options from their friends/coworkers/slashdot and will try them, thanks to the fact we are going to have a nice GNOME/KDE window manager spec. Michael Fulbright drmike@redhat.com Director - Red Hat Advanced Development Labs From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:15 2000 Received: (qmail 7071 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 18:49:45 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20826 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:49:43 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem74.webtribe.net [194.164.194.74]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA03869; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:51:30 GMT Message-ID: <001d01bedd16$e3463240$4ac2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "John Kodis" , References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990802101335.A21854@kodis.jagunet.com> <19990802141420.6095.qmail@lists.redhat.com> <19990802102951.A22085@kodis.jagunet.com> Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:43:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > + I don't see any reason why the panel has to be glued to an edge. > I can easily envision a screen layout that has two edge panels, > one below the other, along the top of the screen. For example, > the top panel could be devoted to applets, while the lower panel > could be devoted to holding iconized applications. Something I found by accident in Enlightenment (I don't know about other Window Managers but I'd guess they have similar functionality). If you use the Enlightenment pager (the fancy one that has pretty pictures of the screen in it), moving a panel is simply a matter of clicking the pager representation of it and dragging it to where you want. If you don't use the E pager, just hold down ALT and drag the actual pager around the place. This way you can easily stack the panels (just don't click on the hidebuttons, or it'll return to the edge/corner it's "locked" in) Iain From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 21677 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:01:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:01:53 -0000 Received: from dhcpd13.redhat.com (hp@dhcpd13.redhat.com [207.175.43.141]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22262; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:01:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by dhcpd13.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA24171; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:00:29 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dhcpd13.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:00:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME Summary, July 25 - August 1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is the GNOME Summary for July 25-August 1. It summarizes development activity and news. ============================================================= Table of Contents ------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Jim Cape heads usability-tuning initiative 2) GNOME 1.0.50 planned 3) Fix the Window Manager 4) gnome-libs and gnome-utils 1.0.12 5) Realtime CVS tracking 6) Hacking Activity 7) New and Updated Software ============================================================== 1) Jim Cape heads usability-tuning initiative -------------------------------------------------------------- Miguel posted to gnome-list, requesting a volunteer to compile user comments on GNOME usability and transform them into suggestions for enhancing the GNOME desktop and applications. Jim Cape signed up, so he's the man. Discussion of this topic should go to gnome-gui-list@gnome.org. Please, keep it focused on incremental enhancements to the existing codebase. Radical redesigns of the user experience are only welcome if accompanied by multiple hackers ready to do the work. Here's Miguel's post: http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-list/1999-August/0011.shtml James Cape has a preliminary web site: http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/ ============================================================== 2) GNOME 1.0.50 planned -------------------------------------------------------------- We're about ready to move on to the next major revision of GNOME; but before doing that, we'd like to be sure the stable 1.0.x series is 100% the way we'd like it to be. So we're pushing for 1.0.50 over the next month or so. Once that's out, we'll be moving on to GNOME 1.2 or 2.0 or whatever we decide to call it. We have lots of cool things ready to fold in as soon as we fork gnome-libs into stable and unstable branches. Expect a detailed roadmap soon. Elliot announced the 1.0.50 plan: http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-announce-list/1999-July/0046.shtml ============================================================== 3) Fix the Window Manager -------------------------------------------------------------- Dr. Mike posted to say that we probably need a GNOME window manager that "matches" GNOME and integrates with it extremely well. Users shouldn't have to see the word "Window Manager." This seems to be a growing consensus; read Dr. Mike's post here: http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-list/1999-August/0052.shtml GNOME will continue to work with all window managers, but we want to provide a nice default that gives the user a truly seamless experience. If hackers don't care about mismatched themes and the like, they're free to use any WM that implements the GNOME/KDE WM spec. Now all we need is someone willing to hack on this window manager. It's perhaps hard to find someone, since the express purpose of the WM is to blend into GNOME and be user-invisible, so it's not a glamorous job. But it would improve GNOME enormously. There are several people who've been working on a GNOME WM of one kind or another, but no one has emerged with the definitive hunk of working code. ============================================================== 4) gnome-libs and gnome-utils 1.0.12 -------------------------------------------------------------- New releases of these two, see the main GNOME site for details: http://www.gnome.org ============================================================== 5) Realtime CVS tracking -------------------------------------------------------------- For those who haven't seen it, GNOME Bonsai now has a page listing CVS commits in the last two hours. A fun way to monitor the GNOME development action: http://cvs.gnome.org/bonsai/cvsquery.cgi?module=all&hours=2&date=hours&link=front ============================================================== 6) Hacking Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Module Score-O-Matic: 58 gimp 56 gnumeric 54 gtk-- 33 gnome-libs 31 gnome-applets 28 bonobo 25 gnome-core 23 dryad 21 gnome-pilot 19 gnome-pim 15 gxsnmp 14 gconf 13 libgtop 11 gnome-utils 11 gnome-filer 11 gnome-chess 11 ORBit 10 libglade 10 gnomeicu 10 control-center 9 mc 8 libunicode 8 gmf User Score-O-Matic: 78 sopwith 36 kenelson 33 unammx 33 martin 22 mmeeks 21 jody 20 kmaraas 17 jrb 16 sipan 16 pcg 16 jamesh 15 vinc 15 hp 14 jberkman 13 teichman 13 dcm 12 tromey 12 stric 11 yosh 11 tonyt 11 pablo Elliot dominates everyone by a factor of two - I think he changed every spec file in CVS or something like that. :-) I know he also did a lot of cleanup and bugfixing. Gtk-- is really under heavy development, and has been for a long time; Karl Nelson's libsigc++ is making it a really nice development framework for C++ applications. Check this out. ============================================================== 7) New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- GameStalker Gnomba Xwhois gproc GSokoban vsa GFile GNotes! Pybliographer Pharmacy GPeriodic gaddr Giram POP Checker libefs gcad gaspell gx10 BMUD Gaim Gears IglooFTP mosquito gvsy GSnes9x There were more software releases last week, but a good bit more CVS commits this week. So go figure. =========================================================================== Until next week - Havoc From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 273 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:10:42 -0000 Received: from dhcpd13.redhat.com (hp@dhcpd13.redhat.com [207.175.43.141]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23075 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:10:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by dhcpd13.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA26051; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:09:09 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: dhcpd13.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:09:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington To: Kent Perrier cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Kent Perrier wrote: > > I would just like it if gnome didn't leave core files in my home > directory. Once the > problems that cause this are fixed, then UI improvements should be > undertaken. > The core files were 95% because anytime Gtk lost the X connection it used to call abort(), resulting in a core dump. So if you exit X, all the apps lose their connection and you get the big pile o' core. This is fixed in the most recent Gtk 1.2.x release, I believe. It's not indicative of application bugs. The other 5% of the core is just bugs, and yes we're fixing those. :-) (You can always ulimit -c to restrict corefile size to 0 if you simply don't want to see corefiles.) Havoc From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 3627 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:16:05 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23504 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:16:05 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.197] (helo=lou-ts7-91.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11BNBE-0003CJ-00; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:51:24 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:54:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII as a *user* of gnome here's what i think is necessary for Gnome (remember this is an opinion ;-) ): Applications/Applets: Office Suite Easier to use dial up control More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media E-mail client capable of the configuration abilities of, say, Pine Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network Neighborhood) UI: Ability for normal user to edit menu entries Printer control in Control Center Preview button actually do something in Control Center's theme selector System: Friendlier upgradability Less core files ;-) These are just thoughts that popped into my head. some of them may already be in progress and some of them may be crap. like i said - they are just thoughts. ;-) J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- Son, this is the only time I'm ever gonna say this. It is not okay to lose. -- Homer Simpson Dead Putting Society From tim@maths.tcd.ie Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 1417 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:42:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:42:04 -0000 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA26400 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:42:04 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 2 Aug 1999 20:42:03 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:42:02 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME upgrade Message-ID: <19990802204202.D38496@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Havoc Pennington on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 03:09:09PM -0700 Sender: tim@maths.tcd.ie Shouldn't some sort of README file come with GNOME upgrades? It's pretty confusing to a GNOME newbie like me to just be given a list of 17 (or whatever) RPM files. Am I alone in feeling that GNOME developers are somewhat lacking in common sense? -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 10769 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27471 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:51:57 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJ4NC>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:52:10 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Timothy Murphy'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME upgrade Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:54:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Installation varies by distrib. In your case (RPMS) change into the directory with the rpms and "rpm -Uvh *.rpm" Done.:) > -----Original Message----- > From: Timothy Murphy [mailto:tim@maths.tcd.ie] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 12:42 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: GNOME upgrade > > > Shouldn't some sort of README file come with GNOME upgrades? > It's pretty confusing to a GNOME newbie like me > to just be given a list of 17 (or whatever) RPM files. > > Am I alone in feeling that GNOME developers > are somewhat lacking in common sense? > > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie > tel: +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From tim@maths.tcd.ie Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 11603 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:52:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:52:41 -0000 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27498 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:52:40 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 2 Aug 1999 20:52:39 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:52:39 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Message-ID: <19990802205239.A38854@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx>; from Miguel de Icaza on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:18:48PM -0500 Sender: tim@maths.tcd.ie On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:18:48PM -0500, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: > > a. To make the interface easier. > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > c. To make the system more consistent. > d. To make the system "nicer". > e. To make GNOME the best user interface out there. > f. To improve the documentation of GNOME. May I suggest one further item which no-one has mentioned. I would find GNOME much easier to use if I understood a little more of its architecture and organisation. Eg, how exactly are the GNOME menus reflected in the file system? What are the vital parts of a GNOME application? Of course one can run GNOME as a "black box" (like Windows), and it might be argued that this makes life easier. That is probably true most of the time, but when things don't work as expected, it can be frustrating and annoying. So I would add g. To make it as transparent as possible, (so that its workings are visible when desired). -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 14263 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 19:54:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 19:54:18 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27644 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:54:17 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.94] (ip94.ifx.net [206.25.218.94]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA08583; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:52:12 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908022052.QAA08583@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:54:11 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "Timothy Murphy" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Timothy Murphy (tim@maths.tcd.ie)'s email of 08/02/99 15:42 said: >Shouldn't some sort of README file come with GNOME upgrades? They do. >It's pretty confusing to a GNOME newbie like me >to just be given a list of 17 (or whatever) RPM files. If you don't like RPMs, don't use them. If you are merely confused because you don't know how RPM works, try typing "man rpm". The README is included in the tarballs. I think RPM even puts them in /usr/doc/ IIRC. >Am I alone in feeling that GNOME developers >are somewhat lacking in common sense? Probably, seeing as you don't appear to have a handle on how package management works yet. Even if the are somewhat lacking in common sense, remember that that usually means "very very focused" on something more important.:) -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From fantamos@excite.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 25420 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 20:04:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 20:04:33 -0000 Received: from kuku.excite.com (kuku-rwcmta.excite.com [198.3.99.63]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28816 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:04:33 -0400 Received: from pounce.excite.com ([199.172.152.99]) by kuku.excite.com (InterMail v4.01.01.02 201-229-111-106) with ESMTP id <19990802200401.MXXR296.kuku@pounce.excite.com>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:04:01 -0700 From: "Matt Craun" To: "Michael Fulbright" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-Id: <933624241.23187.664@excite.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:04:01 PDT X-Mailer: Excite Mail X-Sender-Ip: 208.197.122.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:36:15 -0400, Michael Fulbright wrote: I work for a techinical helpdesk, and I fully understand where your coming from. The stuff that your talking about is more aline with user friendly and better gui support than window's manager support. I know this because what I do is alot of software testing, documenting, and make suggestions for better gui support for users to the programmers. I think that this can only come from a) better design of the gnome gui b) support and developing better intergrations with the various window's managers. However I wonder if it would be better if gnome should instead more closely work with the various windows manager's developers to develop better ways of communicating and corrsponding with the various window managers.Like Mandrake said helping to develop hints. This is the solid start we need to go. I am a big fan of gnome, I think it shows alot of promise, the developers of gnome have done a superb job. I can only forsee trouble brewing if gnome were to start up its own wm manger, adding more fuel to the fire in the holy war, if this were to happen. > > On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 08:49:58AM -0700, Matt Craun wrote: > > Your asking for alot more trouble > > than you realize by saying that maybe there should be a window's manager for > > gnome. Once a manager is created for gnome, new users will assume that is > > the only one out there for gnome. You ended up with the debate over wheither > > this one is better than that one, which will bring a limit in the minds of > > those new users to the plethora of options available. You then begin to > > start a nasty dialog that would end result in dividing the community as a > > whole. What should be the issue here is improving gnome to do what desktop > > software has never gone before. If a team needs to be constructed to do this > > then great, do it. > > How is this different than what we have now? A new user doesn't usually > even know (or care to know) what a window manager is. When they run GNOME > the first time there will be some window manager running. They are just > as likely to think that is the only option available if that window manger > is Enlightenment, 9wm, twm, ctwm, etc as if it were a window manager that > was actually engineered to work more closely with GNOME than any legacy > window manager. I think you are both overestimating how much most people > care about things like window managers and simultaneously understimating > their ability to discover that there are other options available if they > choose to try them out. From people I know who run windows help desk I > have yet to here them having problems with the fact windows only has > one "window manager". The class of problems that you have to worry about > for new users are things like "How do I format a floppy?" and "How do I > get these files onto Bob's machine?". We don't do either of these well > w/o a MIS person around unfortunately. > > I want to transcend above the holy war of which window manager is best and > simply give users a good solid starting point that will just work. If they > are motivated I'm sure they'll hear all about the other options from > their friends/coworkers/slashdot and will try them, thanks to the fact we are > going to have a nice GNOME/KDE window manager spec. > > Michael Fulbright > drmike@redhat.com > Director - Red Hat Advanced Development Labs > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > I had to hit him -- he was starting to make sense. ________________________________________________________________ Get FREE voicemail, fax and email at http://voicemail.excite.com Talk online at http://voicechat.excite.com From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 32556 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 20:11:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 20:11:44 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29388 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:11:44 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BOQv-000G0M-0C for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:11:42 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01685; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:10:56 +0100 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. References: <01BEDCD7.E7258DF0.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 02 Aug 1999 20:57:41 +0100 In-Reply-To: Jorge Gomes Silva's message of "Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:12:24 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 25 Jorge Gomes Silva writes: > Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? > > I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the > enterprise. It also might be useful for the home user if you think > about it at an Internet scale. What would Gnome use a directory for? It's clearly the wrong thing to provide one. I can see why you might want a directory to be around, and so you'd want Linux/FreeBSD/etc., to have a directory, but I don't want a GUI to provide one. It would be nice to have a good Gnome directory user agent (using LDAP, presumably), but that's an application. I can also see why you'd want mail user agents (and anything else which wanted email addresses) to be able to use LDAP. I'm less sure that configuration and/or address books should be done using LDAP. I'm sure they will be, but I'm dubious that this is the right thing to use. (An SQL database for address book might be an interesting way to go.) From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 32703 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 20:11:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 20:11:49 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29387 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:11:43 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11BOQu-00037c-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:11:42 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01684; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:10:56 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990802101335.A21854@kodis.jagunet.com> <19990802141420.6095.qmail@lists.redhat.com> <19990802102951.A22085@kodis.jagunet.com> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 02 Aug 1999 20:44:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: John Kodis's message of "Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:29:51 -0400" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 8 John Kodis writes: > Better still would be some means of reconfiguring the panel by > dragging it to the desired edge or corner. That already works, for choosing where to put the panel. You can't change between edge and corner, and you can't change the size, but simple movement can be done using dragging. From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 520 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 20:12:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 20:12:08 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29424 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:12:07 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BOR4-000Mte-0A for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:11:52 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01687; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:10:56 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: From: Bruce Stephens Date: 02 Aug 1999 20:42:16 +0100 In-Reply-To: Havoc Pennington's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:13:22 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 Lines: 46 Havoc Pennington writes: > On 1 Aug 1999, Bruce Stephens wrote: > > I agree that a partnership would be good. Why not go for the > > University of Michigan, in the form of the Linux/UNIX Independent > > Group for Usability Information, , which > > might have been created for this sort of thing? > > > > luigui's site is down, and their mailing list has had about 5 > messages in the last several months, so I don't think they're very > active. Well, the site was there when I looked! I agree that the project seems a bit dead, but perhaps that's a matter of timing---perhaps there'll be things happening in the coming academic year. > The problem with HCI departments is the same problem we had with > gnome-gui-list: lots of pie-in-the-sky "let's rewrite the whole damn > thing" goo, not many small, concrete, workable improvements to the > existing codebase. This is what we need. I don't think small tweaks > to an essentially windows-icon-mouse UI are going to interest HCI > researchers. I could be wrong. The person that announced the project (Nathaniel Borenstein) seems a pragmatic guy, judging by his book ("Programming as though people mattered: friendly programs, software engineering, and other noble delusions"). Although the Right Way to develop programs is presumably to involve HCI practitioners and end users right at the beginning, presumably HCI students need to learn how to evaluate and suggest improvements to working designs, too. Presumably they also need to learn to engage in dialogs with developers, to help choose the most cost-effective improvements. [...] > The challenge of this initiative is to get concrete, specific > suggestions for enhancing apps. If it loses that focus, it's > worthless. I think the suggestions already made are good ones: fix bugs, and improve documentation. For really specific questions, user surveys can work OK. Real experimentation is better, but user surveys can work. RMS used a few for Emacs, for example, and I think they went OK. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 18756 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 20:25:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 20:25:01 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA31129 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:24:59 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-34.powerisp.com [199.105.137.34]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA14517; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 13:21:29 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A5FD5C.616BDCFB@jcinteractive.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:19:40 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matt Craun CC: Michael Fulbright , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <933624241.23187.664@excite.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matt Craun wrote: > > On Mon, 02 Aug 1999 14:36:15 -0400, Michael Fulbright wrote: > > I work for a techinical helpdesk, and I fully understand where your coming > from. The stuff that your talking about is more aline with user friendly and > better gui support than window's manager support. I know this because what I > do is alot of software testing, documenting, and make suggestions for better > gui support for users to the programmers. I think that this can only come > from a) better design of the gnome gui b) support and developing better > intergrations with the various window's managers. However I wonder if it > would be better if gnome should instead more closely work with the various > windows manager's developers to develop better ways of communicating and > corrsponding with the various window managers.Like Mandrake said helping to > develop hints. This is the solid start we need to go. > I am a big fan of gnome, I think it shows alot of promise, the developers > of gnome have done a superb job. I can only forsee trouble brewing if gnome > were to start up its own wm manger, adding more fuel to the fire in the holy > war, if this were to happen. > > > > On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 08:49:58AM -0700, Matt Craun wrote: > > > Your asking for alot more trouble > > > than you realize by saying that maybe there should be a window's manager > for > > > gnome. Once a manager is created for gnome, new users will assume that > is > > > the only one out there for gnome. You ended up with the debate over > wheither > > > this one is better than that one, which will bring a limit in the minds > of > > > those new users to the plethora of options available. You then begin to > > > start a nasty dialog that would end result in dividing the community as > a > > > whole. What should be the issue here is improving gnome to do what > desktop > > > software has never gone before. If a team needs to be constructed to do > this > > > then great, do it. > > > > How is this different than what we have now? A new user doesn't usually > > even know (or care to know) what a window manager is. When they run > GNOME > > the first time there will be some window manager running. They are just > > as likely to think that is the only option available if that window > manger > > is Enlightenment, 9wm, twm, ctwm, etc as if it were a window manager that > > was actually engineered to work more closely with GNOME than any legacy > > window manager. I think you are both overestimating how much most people > > care about things like window managers and simultaneously understimating > > their ability to discover that there are other options available if they > > choose to try them out. From people I know who run windows help desk I > > have yet to here them having problems with the fact windows only has > > one "window manager". The class of problems that you have to worry about > > for new users are things like "How do I format a floppy?" and "How do I > > get these files onto Bob's machine?". We don't do either of these well > > w/o a MIS person around unfortunately. > > > > I want to transcend above the holy war of which window manager is best > and > > simply give users a good solid starting point that will just work. If > they > > are motivated I'm sure they'll hear all about the other options from > > their friends/coworkers/slashdot and will try them, thanks to the fact we > are > > going to have a nice GNOME/KDE window manager spec. > > > > Michael Fulbright > > drmike@redhat.com > > Director - Red Hat Advanced Development Labs I think this is simply overreacting to something like this, and ignoring the benefits because of an overblown fear of the immature elements of the community. I would like to see a GWM. I wouldn't use it, or even install it on my system, as I use Enlightenment and would not give that up, but for new users, a GWM would be a godsend. No more questions based on the incorrect assumption that the Window Manager theme is controlled via the Theme Selector, because with a GWM, the Window Manager Theme would be controlled in this mannor. The benefits to having a unified User Interface are immense, and the drawbacks are "people might not like the GWM". If people are *sooo* fired up about GNOME starting up it's own Window Manager, why not direct that energy into something worthwhile. I do think that if such a project is started, the leaders should make it explicitly clear that they are *not* working eliminating other Window Managers, simply changing the default to one that is better integrated with GNOME. Those who like their own WMs (like myself) will continue to use them, and those that could care less, will benefit from a saner default. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From kent.perrier@pgs.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 6163 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 20:46:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 20:46:49 -0000 Received: from outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com (outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.25.67]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00887 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 16:46:48 -0400 Received: from pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com (pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com [157.147.19.6]) by outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA10944 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:46:45 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pgs.com (mamba.hstn.geobank.pgs.com [157.147.17.32]) by pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA22180 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <37A603A4.53F1C3BE@pgs.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 15:46:28 -0500 From: Kent Perrier Organization: Organization organized to reduce the number of characters in one's Organization e-mail header X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Havoc Pennington wrote: > The core files were 95% because anytime Gtk lost the X connection it used > to call abort(), resulting in a core dump. So if you exit X, all the apps > lose their connection and you get the big pile o' core. This is fixed in > the most recent Gtk 1.2.x release, I believe. It's not indicative of > application bugs. > > The other 5% of the core is just bugs, and yes we're fixing those. :-) > (You can always ulimit -c to restrict corefile size to 0 if you simply > don't want to see corefiles.) > That is not a real solution. In general, core files should be generated to show that there is a problem that needs to be fixed. The real solution is to have an error handler for the problem. It looks like, with the Gtk 1.2 release, that most of them have been fixed. Maybe I can start using gnome again. Kent -- Expect to be publicly mocked as long as you call yourselves "perl experts". - Abigail in slrn7qbcr6.r33.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com From sonicrave@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 31960 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:10:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:10:40 -0000 Received: from tsmtp2.mail.isp (telefw1.teleline.es [194.224.52.16] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03061 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:10:36 -0400 Received: from teleline.es ([195.235.63.189]) by tsmtp2.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with ESMTP id FFUW9D02.C3W for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:12:49 +0200 Sender: sonicrave@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <368C1548.4C271CF2@teleline.es> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:22:32 +0000 From: Hilario Ortigosa Monteoliva X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: es,es-ES,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Please excuse my bad english; I haven't used it for a long time. O:-) I obtain this =BFerror? Message when I run gnome-session: ***************************************************************** SESSION_MANAGER=3Dlocal/debian:/tmp/.ICE-unix/11684,tcp/debian:1114 Unable to connect to server port 35091 Priority 00 : Starting Id =3D 117f000001000093347380500000035610000 Priority 00 : Registering Id =3D 117f000001000093347380500000035610000 Priority 20 : Starting Id =3D 117f000001000093347383800000035610005 Priority 20 : Starting Id =3D 117f000001000093347383800000035610006 Priority 20 : Starting Id =3D 117f000001000093347383800000035610008 Priority 20 : Starting Id =3D 117f000001000093347383700000035610004 Unable to connect to server port 35091 Unable to connect to server port 35091 Priority 20 : Starting Id =3D 117f000001000093347383800000035610007 Priority 50 : Registering Id =3D 117f000001000091514986500000116840000 Priority 50 : Registering Id =3D 117f000001000091514986500000116840001 Unable to connect to server port 35091 Priority 20 : Registering Id =3D 117f000001000093347383800000035610006 *************************************************************************= ***** If I wait for a non-constant period of time, gnome seems to start correctly. But I obtain some strange hangs with gnome and non-gnome soft (non gnome software, which run OK if I don't start it from gnome bar); and I am unable to 'dock' any gnome applet. I think this shouldn't be a gnome bug, as I have run gnome OK some time ago. Anybody know how can I fix it? Or, anybody has suffered the same kind of error ? :? -- = Hilario Ortigosa Monteoliva ThE SoNiC RaVeR!!! UIN: 24460640 A=F1adidme a vuestro ICQ From sonicrave@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 3396 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:15:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:15:33 -0000 Received: from tsmtp2.mail.isp (telefw1.teleline.es [194.224.52.16] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03553 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:15:28 -0400 Received: from teleline.es ([195.235.63.189]) by tsmtp2.mail.isp (Netscape Messaging Server 4.1) with ESMTP id FFUWHH06.B4P for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:17:41 +0200 Sender: sonicrave@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <368C1695.2C88C131@teleline.es> Date: Fri, 01 Jan 1999 00:28:05 +0000 From: Hilario Ortigosa Monteoliva X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: es,es-ES,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome Subject: Gnome Error (I forget some info)... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable :)))) Gnome version is 1.0.1, installed from debian packages included in a extended version of debian 2.1, called citius. -- = Hilario Ortigosa Monteoliva ThE SoNiC RaVeR!!! UIN: 24460640 A=F1adidme a vuestro ICQ From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 22537 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 21:28:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 21:28:57 -0000 Received: from mailout09.btx.dtag.de (mailout09.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.157]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04776 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:28:56 -0400 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BPdf-0004QP-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:28:55 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.211]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:28:39 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01709 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:43:20 +0200 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:43:20 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990802174320.A1699@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021504.LAA01341@avatar.labs.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908021504.LAA01341@avatar.labs.redhat.com>; from Michael Fulbright on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 11:04:26AM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 11:04:26AM -0400 +++ Michael Fulbright e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > dmiller@ilogic.com.au said: > > IceWM and WindowMaker got to be very user friendly and GNOME > > integrated all by themselves. > Icewm does not have a GUI tool for configuring options like focus, keybindings, > turning on/off cool features. It has. It doesn't ship with it, but can be had from the IceWM WWW site. Geez. You're from Red Hat, aren't you? At least the people who package this stuff into distros should know about such things... but there sure is a lot of Linux software out there, granted. > It does seem to work with GNOME well (althogh > it doesn't automatically remove its panel if it detects GNOME is running). > Having to edit a text file to configure a window manager knocks it out of > the running in my book if you want it to be easy to use and configure. > > Window Maker (I think the real name is the GNUStep window manager but > people seem to call it Window Maker still) The official name is Window Maker. GNUstep is something different, but Window Maker is intended to be a part of GNUstep. > requires quite a bit of configuring, > not obvious to a newbie, to work well with GNOME. A howto for this comes with Window Maker. mawa -- Teaticket, Massachusetts | Tightwad, Missouri | Hot Coffee, Sleepy Eye, Minnesota | Peculiar, Missouri | Mississippi Dinkytown, Minnesota | Jerk Tail, Missouri | -- U.S. placenames From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 13050 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:16:37 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09280 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:16:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id SAA02367; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:16:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:16:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: John Kodis cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <19990802102951.A22085@kodis.jagunet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, John Kodis wrote: > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:18:48PM -0500, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > > in GNOME: > > > > a. To make the interface easier. > > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > > I've been playing with the panel for the past few weeks, and have > found a few rough edges that could probably be smoothed out pretty > quickly: > > + It's needlessly difficult to adjust the type, location, and size > of a panel. There's one menu item for conversion between edge and > corner panels, another configuration page to change from > horizontal to vertical and to pick a corner, and yet another > configuration page to pick a panel size. > > At the least, these adjustments could be placed on the same page. > Even better, this page could have a diagram showing four edge > panels and eight corner panels, and the panel type could be > changed by clicking on the desired panel type in the diagram. > Better still would be some means of reconfiguring the panel by > dragging it to the desired edge or corner. Middle drag the panel :-) --Ben > > + I don't see any reason why the panel has to be glued to an edge. > I can easily envision a screen layout that has two edge panels, > one below the other, along the top of the screen. For example, > the top panel could be devoted to applets, while the lower panel > could be devoted to holding iconized applications. > > + It would be handy to be able to configure a panel, and save this > panel configuration for future use. The panel control menu would > have to get several new entries: "New", Open...", and "Save > as...", similar to a document-oriented application. "New" would > create a default panel, either empty or with a selection of common > applets pre-installed. > > + There are some fun things that could be done with "greedy > applets" -- applets that expand to occupy all vacant space in a > panel. Imagine a horizontal edge panel with a few applets on the > left, a few iconized apps on the right, and a lot of vacant space > between. Now imagine a "greedy" version of the fish applet, which > allows Wanda to swim back and forth over this entire stretch of > the panel, rather than being confined to a tiny square area. > Cool, huh? > > + There are quite a few clock applets. This is probably a good > thing, as peoples taste in clocks will vary widely (BTW, I'd like > one that looks just like xclock, but can't find one that I like). > However, there are so many clock applets that it's hard to spot > the non-clock applets in the Utility menu. I'd suggest either a > separate "Clocks" applet menu item, or else a grand unified clock > application that can select and launch any of the simple clock > applets. > > > > 2. A team coordinator that would compile and maintain all of these > > ideas and comments. He would need to provide a document on the > > web to allow the developers to address those usability issues. > > Congratulations to our new team coordinator. Thanks for stepping up > to the task. I'd suggest that one of your first executive decisions > should be picking the mailing list to carry these discussions. Both > gnome-list and gnome-gui-list seem appropriate, but it would probably > be best to appoint one or the other as the official home of this thread. > > -- John Kodis. > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 18444 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 22:22:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:22:40 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09804 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:22:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id SAA02388; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:22:30 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:22:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: "Sarel J. Botha" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990802183529.A2411@jab.home> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Sarel J. Botha wrote: > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:08:45PM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > > To the best of my limited knowledge WRT the GTK+ WM, there was a bit of > > a snag which was hit with the GDK layer. I don't know all of the > > details, but having an integrated WM is definately a Good Thing. > > > > A second priority (IMHO) should be to try and help WM authors to code > > GTK+ themes to match their WMs. AFAIK, mandrake is working on a GTK+ > > theme which uses CVS Enlightenment's current widget images, and GTKStep > > already exists. If this is done, people who like E's configurability or > > Blackbox's speed can choose to use those WM's without having to download > > a new GTK+ Theme for every window manager theme. > > > > Woudln't this be a good time to introduce GNOME themes? Like KDE, they also > apply to the wm, but it doesn't make a sound if you're using another wm. Yes. I'd hope it could include GMC icons as well. --Ben > > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sarel Botha | Computer & | +27 341 81341 > (sjb@dundee.lia.net) | Accounting | BOX 2065, Dundee > | Services | 3000, South Africa > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature to help me spread! > ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 20294 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:24:18 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09942 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:24:17 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:23:46 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (chi-tgn-gkr-vty42.as.wcom.net [216.192.160.42]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id SAA19473; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:22:53 -0400 (EDT) To: John Kodis Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990802101335.A21854@kodis.jagunet.com> <19990802141420.6095.qmail@lists.redhat.com> <19990802102951.A22085@kodis.jagunet.com> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 02 Aug 1999 18:32:15 -0400 In-Reply-To: John Kodis's message of "Mon, 2 Aug 1999 10:29:51 -0400" Message-ID: <87hfmhstjk.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 25 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" John Kodis writes: > + It's needlessly difficult to adjust the type, location, and size > of a panel. There's one menu item for conversion between edge and > corner panels, another configuration page to change from > horizontal to vertical and to pick a corner, and yet another > configuration page to pick a panel size. I am guessing you don't know about middle clicking on a panel and dragging it where you want it? > + There are some fun things that could be done with "greedy > applets" -- applets that expand to occupy all vacant space in a > panel. I believe in gnome-core HEAD (maybe the stable branch too) that supports this (gnome-pager uses this if it exists). > + There are quite a few clock applets. There is a Clocks submenu in the HEAD branch of gnome-core/gnome-applets. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 10904 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 22:45:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:45:14 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA11770 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:45:13 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJ459>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:45:21 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Ben Frantzdale'" , "Sarel J. Botha" , "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:47:41 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think a scheme would be much better. A scheme could control changing themes for various things. The eMac scheme could set gtk to eMac, E to eMac.etheme, and xmms to eMac.zip Plus do things like change font size and setting gmc icons. The two reasons for a gnome wm is to get rid of the theme problem (read above non wm solution), and ease of install. To solve the second problem only requires alittle work on the distribution side. Personally I find it very easy to install a wm like enlightenment. gnorpm -> install -> enlightenment*.rpm -> ok. or barring that, rpm -Uvh enlightenment*.rpm. I think creating yet another wm would not have many benifits for all the hard work required (there are already alot of wm's), but if someone wants to code it, have phun. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Frantzdale [mailto:frantzdb@admin.arhs.net] > Sent: Monday, August 02, 1999 3:23 PM > To: Sarel J. Botha > Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! > > > > > On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Sarel J. Botha wrote: > > > On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:08:45PM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > > > To the best of my limited knowledge WRT the GTK+ WM, > there was a bit of > > > a snag which was hit with the GDK layer. I don't know all of the > > > details, but having an integrated WM is definately a Good Thing. > > > > > > A second priority (IMHO) should be to try and help WM > authors to code > > > GTK+ themes to match their WMs. AFAIK, mandrake is > working on a GTK+ > > > theme which uses CVS Enlightenment's current widget > images, and GTKStep > > > already exists. If this is done, people who like E's > configurability or > > > Blackbox's speed can choose to use those WM's without > having to download > > > a new GTK+ Theme for every window manager theme. > > > > > > > Woudln't this be a good time to introduce GNOME themes? > Like KDE, they also > > apply to the wm, but it doesn't make a sound if you're > using another wm. > > > > Yes. I'd hope it could include GMC icons as well. > > --Ben > > > > -- > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > Sarel Botha | Computer & | +27 341 81341 > > (sjb@dundee.lia.net) | Accounting | BOX 2065, Dundee > > | Services | 3000, South Africa > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > Hi! I'm a .signature virus! Copy me into your ~/.signature > to help me spread! > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > --------------- > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From weberd@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 18574 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 22:53:31 -0000 Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12694 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:53:30 -0400 Received: from austin.rr.com ([24.93.53.17]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:53:08 -0500 Sender: weberd@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:57:56 -0500 From: Daniel Weber Organization: Sematech X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: newsgroups for gnome Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... From kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 22862 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 23:25:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 23:25:43 -0000 Received: from zaphod.winstar.com (1Cust150.tnt1.bel-air.md.da.uu.net [153.35.78.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16134 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:25:36 -0400 Received: from winstar.com (IDENT:kevin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.winstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA28649 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:26:13 -0400 Sender: kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Message-ID: <37A62915.A8A37B1D@winstar.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:26:13 -0400 From: Kevin der Kinderen Reply-To: kevin@winstar.com Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.23smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [Fwd: Gnome RPM Configuration Help] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------CC5F04352CF4826A10E6F403" --------------CC5F04352CF4826A10E6F403 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe I made a mistake by posting this to the RPM newsgroup. Any one here able to help me out? Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > I've read the RH6 manual and still can't figure out what's going on. > Here's the specifics... > > 1) operations:preferences:rpmfind:distrib = BlueSky. Wht is > bluesky? Isn't 6.0 Hedwig? What does the Distrib: field affect? > > 2) operations:preferences:distributions - I have no idea what I'm > looking at here. The first entry is for Alpha (I'm i386), second is > Alpha, 3rd is i386 - but there's no updates i386, 4th is sparc. I can > change the preferred mirror - but Origin and Sources remain as > previously set. > > I really hate to say this - but glint seemed so much easier. Can someone > help me figure out what I'm looking at or point me to some more > information besides the RH manual? > > Thanks, > Kevin > > -- > Kevin > AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 -- Kevin AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 --------------CC5F04352CF4826A10E6F403 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I believe I made a mistake by posting this to the RPM newsgroup. Any one here able to help me out?

Kevin der Kinderen wrote:

I've read the RH6 manual and still can't figure out what's going on.
Here's the specifics...

1) operations:preferences:rpmfind:distrib = BlueSky. Wht is
bluesky? Isn't 6.0 Hedwig? What does the Distrib: field affect?

2) operations:preferences:distributions - I have no idea what I'm
looking at here. The first entry is for Alpha (I'm i386), second is
Alpha, 3rd is i386 - but there's no updates i386, 4th is sparc. I can
change the preferred mirror - but Origin and Sources remain as
previously set.

I really hate to say this - but glint seemed so much easier. Can someone
help me figure out what I'm looking at or point me to some more
information besides the RH manual?

Thanks,
Kevin

--
Kevin
AIM: kkinderen  icq 9219322

-- 
Kevin
AIM: kkinderen  icq 9219322
  --------------CC5F04352CF4826A10E6F403-- From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 31384 invoked from network); 2 Aug 1999 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 2 Aug 1999 23:30:42 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16425 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:30:41 -0400 Received: from fwd07.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.167]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BRXT-00006Z-00; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:30:39 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.227]) by fwd07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:30:36 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA03273 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:30:42 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:30:42 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from jack wallen, jr on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > as a *user* of gnome here's what i think is necessary for Gnome (remember > this is an opinion ;-) ): > > Applications/Applets: > > Office Suite Someone needs to code it. An office suite is a major effort. Millions of lines of code, that is. > Easier to use dial up control Just *how* much easier do you want it to get? You've got gnome-ppp and the Modem Lights applet, what's the problem? > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop icons or the mount applet. > E-mail client capable of the configuration abilities of, say, Pine Agreed. > Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network > Neighborhood) Hm. You know that gmc can do pretty much regarding networks? > UI: > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > Printer control in Control Center Be more specific. > Preview button actually do something in Control Center's theme > selector Window manager issue. Let me guess, you use Enlightenment from CVS? It works fine for me with Window Maker. At least I think that's the reason. > System: > > Friendlier upgradability Distribution issue. mawa -- Roses are red; Violets are blue. I'm schizophrenic, And so am I. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 4631 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 00:41:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 00:41:30 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22507 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:41:29 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-92.powerisp.com [199.105.137.92]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id RAA01100 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 17:38:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 19:36:47 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > icons or the mount applet. I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network > > Neighborhood) > > Hm. You know that gmc can do pretty much regarding networks? Yes, and it is not friendly at all about it. /#smb/server/share? /#smb//server/share? You tell me? "smb://server/share" <-- follows the URL RFCs. "ftp://server/dir" "nfs://server/share" Username/password prompting should be automatic if required. Also, some sort of progress meter needs to be coded for these, as the status for these networking activities is nearly non-existant. > > UI: > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > > > Printer control in Control Center > > Be more specific. You know RedHat's Printtool? Create a control-center capplet WRT it. This will require root permissions, so some way to access root will need to be coded, possibly as a library, so every GNOME app can have secure access to restricted settings and files. > > Preview button actually do something in Control Center's theme > > selector > > Window manager issue. Let me guess, you use Enlightenment from CVS? > It works fine for me with Window Maker. At least I think that's the > reason. That is *not* a window manager issue. That is a bug in this person's Theme Selector. There is no reason Enlightenment from CVS (or Enlightenment at all, or any window manager) should interfere with the GTK+ Theme Selector's applying it's settings via the preview button. And I use E CVS, and it works fine for me. > > System: > > > > Friendlier upgradability > > Distribution issue. GNOME needs an installer of the caliber of Internet Explorer 4/5. Coded in xlib, it will check your distribution/package format, check with your vendor for the latest versions, and go download and install the packages you select. The distributions are responsible for packaging up versions of GNOME that will work with whatever else the ship. GNOME can pick up the slack in it's absense. And Mr. Warkus, try to be a little less curt WRT suggestions. Don't shoot them down just because something exists already. Obviously, a problem exists, otherwise the suggestion never would've been offered. There is a way to change the global GTK+ Fonts with the Control Center, but I've had 3 people already personally ask me to add this to the wishlist. The ability is there, but a poor UI has stood in the way for these people. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 19855 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 01:31:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 01:31:40 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA26747 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:31:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA12289; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:39:02 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:39:01 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Kevin der Kinderen cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Gnome RPM Configuration Help] In-Reply-To: <37A62915.A8A37B1D@winstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The latest version of gnorpm contains better help files. Also, the help button in the preferences dialog actually works :) The rpmfind and distributions pages of the preferences dialog are used to configure the web find window. The distrib field is calculated by finding the most common term found in the distribution field for all packages on the system. It should give the same result as the following command: rpm -qa --qf '%{distribution}\n' |sort|uniq -c|sort -nr|head -1 It is used when trying to deduce the most appropriate RPM for your system (if the package comes from the same distribution it will probably work) in the web find window. Other than that, it does not change the behaviour. The distributions page allows you to place ratings on the different distributions that are indexed on the rpmfind server. It also allows you to specify your favourite mirror. If you are using the www.redhat.com metadata server (the default for binary distributed with RH6). On the other hand, if you use the larger rpmfind.net server, there are about 90 distributions, so you may want to give the rpmfind code some hints as to what to pick (for a start, if you are using a red hat based distribution, set the SUSE distributions in the list to -1, so they don't get chosen). If you want, don't even worry about this page. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > I believe I made a mistake by posting this to the RPM newsgroup. Any one > here able to help me out? > > Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > > I've read the RH6 manual and still can't figure out what's going on. > > Here's the specifics... > > > > 1) operations:preferences:rpmfind:distrib = BlueSky. Wht is > > bluesky? Isn't 6.0 Hedwig? What does the Distrib: field affect? > > > > 2) operations:preferences:distributions - I have no idea what I'm > > looking at here. The first entry is for Alpha (I'm i386), second is > > Alpha, 3rd is i386 - but there's no updates i386, 4th is sparc. I can > > change the preferred mirror - but Origin and Sources remain as > > previously set. > > > > I really hate to say this - but glint seemed so much easier. Can someone > > help me figure out what I'm looking at or point me to some more > > information besides the RH manual? > > > > Thanks, > > Kevin > > > > -- > > Kevin > > AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 > > -- > Kevin > AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 > > > From dmiller@ilogic.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 19512 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 02:02:17 -0000 Received: from toad.ilogic.com.au (postfix@intern12.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA29502 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:02:15 -0400 Received: from mothra.ilogic.com.au (mothra.ilogic.com.au [203.36.198.97]) by toad.ilogic.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA1B25277; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:02:10 +1000 (EST) Received: by mothra.ilogic.com.au (Postfix, from userid 500) id 47E7B1F802; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:02:08 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mothra.ilogic.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C4551E802; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:02:08 +1000 (EST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:02:08 +1000 (EST) From: Damien Miller To: "jack wallen, jr" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: X-Paranoia: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 2 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network > Neighborhood) A better general administration framework would be very nice too. No offense to its creators, but the UI of linuxconf is very broken. It is a classic example of "one size trying to fit all". Something like the Windows control panel is much more intuitive. Regards, Damien Miller -- | "Bombay is 250ms from New York in the new world order" - Alan Cox | Damien Miller - http://www.ilogic.com.au/~dmiller | Email: dmiller@ilogic.com.au (home) -or- damien@ibs.com.au (work) From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 23762 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 02:09:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 02:09:01 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA30017 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:01 -0400 Received: from [204.255.236.118] (helo=lou-ts10-11.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11BU0b-00031S-00; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:08:53 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:12:21 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i just want to point out a great little UI to everyone. take a look at Star Office 5.1 Deluxe (this may be on the dl'able version as well). in the 'explorer' the user can do a right click and add a new ftp account. when this is done, the ftp account (let's say it's on your home network) everytime Star Office opens...revealing to the user the file system on the 'other' machines. i felt this was both intuitive and incredibly simple. i'm not sure how it works with a Window's box but i'm sure it would be just fine....i'll hopefully see as soon as i can sneak a NIC into my roomies machine ;-). this UI is strong and well designed. in fact, the whole of the Star Office UI is very well done. not only is it beautiful, it's user friendly as any program on the market. sorry if i sound like i'm plugging star office. i don't work for them i swear! ;-) (just a really happy consumer of a star division product). J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- If there was any justice, my face would be on a bunch of crappy merchandise! -- Homer Simpson Flaming Moe's From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 24806 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 02:09:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 02:09:14 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA30051 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id WAA03080 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:12 -0400 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:09:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > icons or the mount applet. > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > [at the risk of opening up an old discussion...] Mac, Windows, etc. Users asume that a disk in the drive means that the computer knows about it. pull it out and the computer doesn't. I know that untill removeable media is that transparent, most people won't use Gnome/Linux --Ben From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 2493 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 02:21:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 02:21:08 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA31093 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:21:07 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-92.powerisp.com [199.105.137.92]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA29984; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:17:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A650C1.88A63702@jcinteractive.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 21:15:29 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Ben Frantzdale CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > > icons or the mount applet. > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > > > [at the risk of opening up an old discussion...] > > Mac, Windows, etc. Users asume that a disk in the drive means that the > computer knows about it. pull it out and the computer doesn't. I know that > untill removeable media is that transparent, most people won't use > Gnome/Linux > > --Ben Most users period, not just Windows and Mac users. And what is the first question that comes to a new user's mind when they reliaze they have to run "mount /mnt/mountpoint" (or whatever)? "Well that's dumb. Why can't the computer tell when there's a disk in the drive? That other one does." Autofs is the salvation to this problem, but some sort of autoconfigurator (and a manual configurator to fix any problems the autoconfigurator introduces/misses) is needed to eleviate the user's need to think about this. For those that disagree, remember, the Computer exists to serve the Human, not the other way around (as most of us geeks are used to, unfortunately). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From tim@maths.tcd.ie Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 28986 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 02:58:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 02:58:14 -0000 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA01705 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:58:10 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 3 Aug 1999 03:57:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:57:40 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade Message-ID: <19990803035740.A43100@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <199908022052.QAA08583@home.ifx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908022052.QAA08583@home.ifx.net>; from sungod on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 03:54:11PM -0400 Sender: tim@maths.tcd.ie On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 03:54:11PM -0400, sungod wrote: > >Shouldn't some sort of README file come with GNOME upgrades? > > They do. I just looked again at the announcement I received of the latest GNOME upgrade, and there was no mention of a README, or indeed of any documentation, simply a list of RPM files. > >It's pretty confusing to a GNOME newbie like me > >to just be given a list of 17 (or whatever) RPM files. > > If you don't like RPMs, don't use them. If you are merely confused > because you don't know how RPM works, try typing "man rpm". I said I was a GNOME newbie, not a Linux or RedHat newbie. I know perfectly well how RPMs work. What I don't know is which of the many RPMs mentioned is required, and which are secondary, which order they should be installed in (if that matters), and whether they require any other RPMs or libraries apart from those mentioned. (When installing GNOME originally, I found that the order of installation, although unspecified, did indeed matter; and several other RPMs were required, although never mentioned.) > I think RPM even puts them in > /usr/doc/ IIRC. If you took the trouble to look at the /usr/doc/g*/README files, you would see that they are completely useless. In any case, I was speaking of a README for the upgrade bundle, not the individual RPMs. > >Am I alone in feeling that GNOME developers > >are somewhat lacking in common sense? > > Probably, seeing as you don't appear to have a handle on how package > management works yet. Even if I didn't understand how RPMs work -- and I do -- I cannot see what possible relevance this would have to the common sense of the GNOME developpers. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 2712 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:07:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:07:59 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA02593 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:07:58 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-64.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.101]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA05302; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:07:15 +0100 Message-Id: <199908030307.EAA05302@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 05:09:28 +0200 To: jcape@jcinteractive.com From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >> Mac, Windows, etc. Users asume that a disk in the drive means that the >> computer knows about it. pull it out and the computer doesn't. I know that >> untill removeable media is that transparent, most people won't use >> Gnome/Linux >Most users period, not just Windows and Mac users. And what is the first >question that comes to a new user's mind when they reliaze they have to >run "mount /mnt/mountpoint" (or whatever)? Macs use hardware, they know when there is a floppy or CD, and the only (non rescue) way to get it back is via the interface. MSWindows do not know when there is a floppy (CDs yes, but not floppies), it just tries and complains. >"Well that's dumb. Why can't the computer tell when there's a disk in >the drive? That other one does." I taugth my users to write CDi, CDo, FDi and FDo (in and out scripts, ejection included if avaliable); or use the icon. I taugth them that computers "look smart" but are "pretty dumb". I also found that people has problems with Unix way (single tree). But once you tell them that one way for all (network disks is the best example that is most liked), no more A, B, C, D... letters, they seem to be happy. >For those that disagree, remember, the Computer exists to serve the >Human, not the other way around (as most of us geeks are used to, >unfortunately). Yes, true. But are dumb, I hope we make less dumb. I know I always (?) will have mount, but I will be really happy if I have to explain less (or explain in "Unix survival course: any field, any time, any tools" only). GSR From hestgray@ionet.net Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 12975 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:20:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:20:34 -0000 Received: from ionet.net (root@mail.ionet.net [206.41.128.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04053; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:20:33 -0400 Received: from gigo (mail@okcnase-178.ionet.net [38.193.51.179]) by ionet.net (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id WAA02639; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:23:43 -0500 (CDT) Received: from hestgray by gigo with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11BVAt-0007Pp-00; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:23:35 -0500 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:23:35 -0500 From: Richard Hestilow To: gnome-hackers@gnome.org Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-gui-list@gnome.org Subject: Need help with interface for theme editor Message-ID: <19990802222335.A28486@gigo> Reply-To: hestgray@ionet.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i Hi. I'm writing a theme editor, rcedit, which will support both color and pixmap themes. However, I'm at a loss as to what the interface should look like. Therefore, I'm asking any interested parties to send me ideas, designs, or mockups using glade or the gimp. If I choose your design, I'm willing to list you as a co-author. Here is what the interface will need to support for the app: Preview area For pixmap and per-widget color themes: A way to specify the style for a specific widget class, such as, all GtkButtons are blue, etc. For a simple color theme: Need to be able to specify font, the four color settings (fg, bg, base, and text) for each of the five states (Normal, Selected, Active, Prelight, Insensitive), and optionally, background pixmap, theme engine. I can (and have already) handle the coding, I just need to know how to present it to the user. For a look at the current interface, it is in cvs, module "rcedit". Thanks! -- Richard Hestilow "Speak softly...drive a Sherman tank" -- They Might Be Giants From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 15746 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:22:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:22:41 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04248 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:22:41 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.113] (ip113.ifx.net [206.25.218.113]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id AAA05569; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:19:35 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908030419.AAA05569@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:22:33 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "Timothy Murphy" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Timothy Murphy (tim@maths.tcd.ie)'s email of 08/02/99 22:57 said: >On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 03:54:11PM -0400, sungod wrote: > >> >Shouldn't some sort of README file come with GNOME upgrades? >> >> They do. > >I just looked again at the announcement I received of the latest GNOME >upgrade, >and there was no mention of a README, or indeed of any documentation, >simply a list of RPM files. They're INSIDE the RPM packages. >> >It's pretty confusing to a GNOME newbie like me >> >to just be given a list of 17 (or whatever) RPM files. >> >> If you don't like RPMs, don't use them. If you are merely confused >> because you don't know how RPM works, try typing "man rpm". > >I said I was a GNOME newbie, not a Linux or RedHat newbie. >I know perfectly well how RPMs work. >What I don't know is which of the many RPMs mentioned is required, >and which are secondary, >which order they should be installed in (if that matters), >and whether they require any other RPMs or libraries >apart from those mentioned. >(When installing GNOME originally, >I found that the order of installation, >although unspecified, did indeed matter; >and several other RPMs were required, >although never mentioned.) This is why I assumed that you didn't understand how RPM's worked: all of your questions would have been answered if you had actually USED the RPM program. There are arguments to RPM to find out what each package contains, what additional libraries and packages are required for the installation of each one, and as long as all the dependencies are filled, it doesn't even matter which order you specify the installation: RPM will install them in the order needed if you simply install all the ones you want first. All of the above information is available in the RPM manpage, which is why I suggested you read it. No offense was intended. >> I think RPM even puts them in >> /usr/doc/ IIRC. > >If you took the trouble to look at the /usr/doc/g*/README files, My linux boxes are on a moving van somewhere in Kansas. I'm about as far from Kansas as it's possible to be while still on the same continent. Aren't you glad I got pretty close, from memory? :) >you would see that they are completely useless. >In any case, I was speaking of a README for the upgrade bundle, >not the individual RPMs. You didn't specify, and I still don't see what information you are looking for that is not available within the RPM's themselves. >> >Am I alone in feeling that GNOME developers >> >are somewhat lacking in common sense? >> >> Probably, seeing as you don't appear to have a handle on how package >> management works yet. > >Even if I didn't understand how RPMs work -- and I do -- >I cannot see what possible relevance this would have >to the common sense of the GNOME developpers. As I've already said, I didn't intend any offense, but if you took offense anyway... well, good. I merely gave an (admittedly abrupt) answer to someone who asked an ill-phrased and ill-informed question without having used the resources at his disposal to get information; on the other hand, you outright insulted the very people who designed and developed the project, in addition to GIVING you the resources from which to get the very information you sought. Consequently, until you request more specific information (and stop degrading the sensibilites of the likes of Miguel, Havoc, Federico, Elliot, and dozens others) my answer will have to remain the same: all that you seek is available within the package manager you have chosen to use. If you don't know how to use your chosen package manager to extract that information, you can teach yourself by reading the documentation for your package manager. If you're unsure how to accomplish even THAT step, I'll tell you: at the BASH prompt, type the following: man rpm >From there, you will learn how to use the query tools and dependency-checking features to get just the information you requested. Good luck, and if I wasn't less offensive this time... I'm still not sorry. :) All followups to my personal email address please; this no longer really pertains to GNOME. -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 17958 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:23:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:23:33 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04359 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:23:19 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.246]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 355; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:15:13 +0300 Message-ID: <004b01bedd5e$ae9c5d60$f6eee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: "Matthias Warkus" Cc: References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:17:11 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > > Easier to use dial up control > > Just *how* much easier do you want it to get? You've got gnome-ppp and > the Modem Lights applet, what's the problem? > Oh I /STRONGLY/ disagree - kPPP is /MUCH/ /MUCH/ more powerful than GNOME-PPP. The main thing I'd like to see in GNOME-PPP - the support for CHAP. From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 22040 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:26:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:26:21 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA04629 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:26:18 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom0-046.telepath.com [216.14.0.46]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA23812 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:26:16 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37A6627B.D266A9F4@telepath.com> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 22:31:07 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37A650C1.88A63702@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "James M. Cape" wrote: > > Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > > > icons or the mount applet. > > > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. Mtools seems to handle the a: drive very well for a quick file save to floppy disk. Yes it is a command line tool (supper easy to use) I wonder if mtool commands could be folded into gmc? Dennis Lee From salvo@netspace.net.au Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 26716 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:30:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:30:54 -0000 Received: from scorpion.netspace.net.au (scorpion.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.106]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05090 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:30:51 -0400 Received: from whirlwind.netspace.net.au (whirlwind.netspace.net.au [203.10.110.70]) by scorpion.netspace.net.au (8.9.1/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id NAA08356 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:30:47 +1000 (EST) Received: from mako.woods.net.au (IDENT:salvo@dialup-t1-336.Melbourne.netspace.net.au [210.15.251.82]) by whirlwind.netspace.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.1/NS) with ESMTP id NAA06829 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:30:46 +1000 (EST) Received: (from salvo@localhost) by mako.woods.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA01003 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:28:09 +1000 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:28:09 +1000 From: Daniel Woods To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME `Multimedia' Clips Message-ID: <19990803132809.A709@mako.woods.net.au> Reply-To: Daniel Woods Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 I'm currently doing a subject called "Multimedia Tools", which should be called "How to waste bandwidth with Monopolistic, Buggy Software". We *must* use Powerpoint97 ~shudder~ and *must* include a video clip and sound. I've decided to do mine on the topic of GNOME. Does anyone have any animated GNOME screenshots, or similar? If not, does anyone know of any tool I could use to capture these (like Lotus Screencam). TIA Daniel From jlasslett@akyman.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 29056 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:32:48 -0000 Received: from teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com (teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com [139.134.5.237]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA05277 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:32:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot06.domain1.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id ha207799 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:30:48 +1000 Received: from DC-58-173.bpb.bigpond.com ([203.40.58.173]) by mail1.bigpond.com (Claudes-Coppertone-MailRouter V2.4c 1/109962); 03 Aug 1999 13:30:48 Message-ID: <37A66096.3757CA3@akyman.com.au> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:31:22 +1000 From: Jeffrey Lasslett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNU Hurd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I was recently reading about the GNU Hurd OS. My question is simple: Does GNOME compile and run on a system running the Hurd ? cheers, Jeff From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 31518 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 03:35:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 03:35:02 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05513 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:35:01 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04936 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 23:35:07 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: 3 Aug 1999 03:35:07 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 18 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933651307 4866 207.175.42.154 (3 Aug 1999 03:35:07 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 3 Aug 1999 03:35:07 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 30 Jul 1999 04:46:28 -0400, Kent Nyberg wrote: >You know RedHat's Printtool? Create a control-center capplet WRT it. >This will require root permissions, so some way to access root will need >to be coded, possibly as a library, so every GNOME app can have secure >access to restricted settings and files. System administration is not meant to go into the control center, which is more for per-user settings (e.g. to give the user total control over how their environment works). We do need system administration tools, but that's another project... :) >There is a way to change the global GTK+ Fonts with the Control Center, Where?! -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From larry@marso.com Fri May 12 00:03:16 2000 Received: (qmail 9847 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 05:28:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 05:28:07 -0000 Received: from marso.com (snblitz.sc.scruznet.com [165.227.132.84]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id BAA16508 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:28:06 -0400 From: larry@marso.com Received: (qmail 29533 invoked by uid 500); 3 Aug 1999 02:26:09 -0000 Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:26:08 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [kojima@inf.ufrgs.br: [wm-user] emergency poll 2] Message-ID: <19990802222608.A27282@marso.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Did you'all see this? -- -lsm --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE Content-Type: message/rfc822 Return-Path: Delivered-To: larry@worldcontrol.com Received: (qmail 53488 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 04:51:37 -0000 Received: from mercury.alloy.net (204.213.176.90) by home.worldcontrol.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 04:51:37 -0000 Received: (from slist@localhost) by mercury.alloy.net (8.9.3/alloy+antispam) id AAA00065; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:48:55 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:41:30 -0300 (EST) From: Alfredo Kengi Kojima To: wm-user@windowmaker.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [wm-user] emergency poll 2 X-Mailing-List: wm-user Sorry to spam, but I forgot to add another part to that poll: What features of wmaker you think are not essential if you used it with something like GNOME? [ ] WPrefs (in exchange of something equivalent in gnome) [ ] dock/clip (bye bye dockapps et all) [ ] themes (ie: wmaker themes go to trash and gnome themes will support wmaker) [ ] NeXT look/speed/low memory usage for widgets (would be replaced by gtk *grin*) [ ] support for multiple platforms [ ] wmaker menus (would be replaced by something already existing in gnome) [ ] configurability [ ] independency from external libs (would become dependent of gtk, some corba lib and maybe those other 10^32180932 libs) Answer these questions by keeping in mind that an alternate version of wmaker, with the same philosophy as now, would be kept :) Thanks again -- Alfredo -- LIST: http://www.windowmaker.org/lists/wm-user/ FAQ: http://www.dpo.uab.edu/~grapeape/wmfaq.html To subscribe/unsubscribe: mail wm-user-request@windowmaker.org with "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject header. --0OAP2g/MAC+5xKAE-- From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 24361 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 06:33:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 06:33:13 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA21683; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:33:12 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07282; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:29:57 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 01:29:57 -0500 Message-Id: <199908030629.BAA07282@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-list-announce@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@nuclecu.unam.mx CC: rms@gnu.org, ten@gnu.org, sopwith@redhat.com Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Second GNOME aniversary. X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. Hello guys, Today Elliot, me and a few other GNOME hackers were reviewing the logs of the creation of the GNOME project. Although the project was announced on August 17 the project had its origins about a month before and we had sent the first proposals back and forth about 4 days before. We had a lot of fun reviewing what we had said before the project was started and how we reviewed the various options back then. Various GNOMErs will meet next week at the LinuxWorld Expo and we plan to celebrate GNOME's 2nd year of existance during the show. If you have cool ideas on celebration procedures, lets us know. best wishes, Miguel. From bruno@fred.scooby.de Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 4602 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 07:41:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 07:41:56 -0000 Received: from hugo.fen.baynet.de (root@hugo.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA27613 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:41:55 -0400 Received: from fred.scooby.de (bruno@dialin-er-16.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.80]) by hugo.fen.baynet.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA17279 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:35:16 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:44:26 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de Sender: bruno@fred.scooby.de From: Thomas Hedler To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! On 02-Aug-99 jack wallen, jr wrote: > Applications/Applets: > > Office Suite > Easier to use dial up control > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > E-mail client capable of the configuration abilities of, > say,Pine > Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network > Neighborhood) > The Office-Suit is underway (but I would appreciate a constant naming scheme for the application like Gnord, Gnexcel, Gnaccess ;-)) ) I think the dial-up control should not be an extra application with an own window. The configuration has to be done in an capplet and a button on the panel would start the connection or a wizard, when the newbie presses the button for the first time. But DONT forget to implement different connection configurations!!! > UI: > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > Printer control in Control Center > Preview button actually do something in Control Center's theme > selector But most of it is here right now and it works. I think we should only do a good default configuration of buttons and folders in the gnome panel like KDE does. The totally newbie don't like (don't know how) to search through the different panel applets etc. When he sees a printing icon he will use it. When there is a easier way for him to solve his printing problems he will do it, but he has always the default possibility. What about an application (with smooth GTK-Looking), which scans the system after make install of gnome-core and gmc and configures a ~/.gnome directory? You could scan the boot.msg and look for partitions, harddrives etc. I think the mandrake people will contribute to this. Then you have the Information to set a button for Configuration, Mailing/News, Connections, Terminal, Editor, Clock, Office. > System: > > Friendlier upgradability > Less core files ;-) The most important points. What I do not understand is, that I always read about core files etc. I doesn't have one since 4 months!!! I don't use the rpms, but build all by myself. What do you wrong. (SuSE 6.0, but upgraded in different points) To make installing easier, we should have an installation utility. It starts with an ncurses-Layout and looks for glib, imlib and gtk. If there are no packages or *.tar.gz in a available directory it starts a connection wizard (the information can be used to prevent the start of the Gnome-Connection wizard above (OK, wizard is a M$-Word, but everyone knows what I mean)) and fetches the packages online after you select an mirror in your country. >From the latest-directory it gets gtk and glib etc. run Configure, make, make install or rpm -i and then starts with an GWM or the Gnome standard WM and a GTK-Application to install all the Applications. > > These are just thoughts that popped into my head. some of them may > already be in progress and some of them may be crap. like i said - > they > are just thoughts. ;-) The same in my head... ;-) Thomas --- EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de From Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 19138 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:05:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:05:07 -0000 Received: from tux.w3.org (veillard@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA29990 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:05:07 -0400 Received: (from veillard@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13538; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:04:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:04:39 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: Miguel de Icaza , "James M. Cape" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Message-ID: <19990803040439.A13069@w3.org> Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx>; from Miguel de Icaza on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 01:18:48PM -0500 Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C http://www.w3.org/) > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > in GNOME: > > a. To make the interface easier. Although it's mostly an E related feedback: - Resizing windows by simple click and drag can only be done at the bottom corners, this is rather disturbing since all other WM I know alllow this on all corners (this could be a setting option problem, I'm using the default RH-6.0 setup). - the pager applet doesn't allow to move windows. Not being able to quickly move a window from one of the virtual screen to another is one of the major pain in my daily use of gnome. Usual interface would be left button click and drag. If the drag extend over the pager area, moving the window onto the current virtual screen would be bonus ! (As a side - non interface - note, the pager has been leaking mem a lot for me. I had to kill it a couple of time when its size went over 70Megs !) > b. To make it more intuitive to people. > c. To make the system more consistent. > d. To make the system "nicer". Another E related feedback: - The remember state kicks ass ! But I would like the option of being able to also remember the virtual screen. For example I like my xchat to be in screen #5, I would like E to be able to remember that too :-) -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : Tel: +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, Fax: +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. From zakaria@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 24250 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:17:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:17:36 -0000 Received: from jktmail02.indosat.net.id (mail.indosat.net.id [202.155.15.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA30814 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:17:34 -0400 Received: from 202.155.26.233 ([202.155.26.233]) by jktmail02.indosat.net.id with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.977.9); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:15:12 +0700 Received: (qmail 3884 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 07:57:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telkom.net) (zakaria@127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 07:57:27 -0000 Sender: zakaria@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A6A0E5.821A5756@telkom.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:57:25 +0700 From: Zakaria X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Appswitcher gone? References: <19990801011409.652.rocketmail@web128.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ed McMan wrote: > > Well, I'm not quite sure how this happened, but the > appswitcher/desktop changer has disappeared (The one > in the main gnome bar..) and I can't seem to get it > back. Anyone have some suggestions? Right Click on the panel -> Add Applet -> Utility -> Gnome Pager > === > From, EdMcMan@m00.net > m00net Irc Network http://www.m00.net (irc.m00.net) > Penguin power, oh yeah. [ Cutted for bandwidth saving :) ] From zakaria@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 24388 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:17:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:17:38 -0000 Received: from jktmail02.indosat.net.id (mail.indosat.net.id [202.155.15.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA30817 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:17:35 -0400 Received: from 202.155.26.233 ([202.155.26.233]) by jktmail02.indosat.net.id with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.977.9); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:15:11 +0700 Received: (qmail 3892 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:09:36 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telkom.net) (zakaria@127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:09:35 -0000 Sender: zakaria@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A6A3BE.3444B434@telkom.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 15:09:34 +0700 From: Zakaria X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Weber wrote: > > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... As far as my little knowledge knows there is 0 newsgroup about gnome. Just my Rp. 100 ,- From zakaria@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 25376 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:18:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:18:26 -0000 Received: from jktmail02.indosat.net.id (mail.indosat.net.id [202.155.15.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA30871 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:18:21 -0400 Received: from 202.155.26.233 ([202.155.26.233]) by jktmail02.indosat.net.id with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.977.9); Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:15:13 +0700 Received: (qmail 3746 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 07:20:35 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telkom.net) (zakaria@127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 07:20:35 -0000 Sender: zakaria@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A6983C.E0295BFC@telkom.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 14:20:28 +0700 From: Zakaria X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elliot Lee wrote: > >There is a way to change the global GTK+ Fonts with the Control Center, > > Where?! Foot -> Settings -> Desktop -> Theme Selector -> User Font Check on "Use custom font" and click on Font button > -- Elliot > Who me? I just wander from room to room. -- Zakaria Who me? I just answer a question :) From Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 26679 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:18:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:18:56 -0000 Received: from tux.w3.org (veillard@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA30934 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:18:56 -0400 Received: (from veillard@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA13658; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:18:44 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:18:44 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: James Henstridge Cc: Kevin der Kinderen , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Gnome RPM Configuration Help] Message-ID: <19990803041844.B13069@w3.org> Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org References: <37A62915.A8A37B1D@winstar.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: ; from James Henstridge on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:39:01AM +0800 Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C http://www.w3.org/) > The distributions page allows you to place ratings on the different > distributions that are indexed on the rpmfind server. It also allows you > to specify your favourite mirror. If you are using the www.redhat.com > metadata server (the default for binary distributed with RH6). On the > other hand, if you use the larger rpmfind.net server, there are about 90 > distributions, so you may want to give the rpmfind code some hints as to > what to pick (for a start, if you are using a red hat based distribution, > set the SUSE distributions in the list to -1, so they don't get chosen). > If you want, don't even worry about this page. James, my analysis of the feedback I got from rpmfind users tends to prove that it's a not well know feature. Maybe a simplistic default option like "fetch only from the iinstalled distribution" turned on by default would avoid troubles. This would also I guess cover distributors concerns, and avoid them having the default setup pointing to a reduced metadata base like RedHat did for 6.0. Then being able to pick in a menu a set of other distribs and "add them" would allow "experienced users" to have a richer set to choose from (however source package queries should really search the full set). Daniel -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : Tel: +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, Fax: +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. From zahl@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 17432 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 08:52:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 08:52:47 -0000 Received: from uranus.fkp.uni-hannover.de (root@uranus.fkp.uni-hannover.de [130.75.48.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA01126 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:52:45 -0400 Received: from fkp.uni-hannover.de (really [127.0.0.1]) by uranus.fkp.uni-hannover.de via in.smtpd with esmtp (ident zahl using rfc1413) id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:52:30 +0200 (CEST) Sender: zahl@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A6ADCD.2C277198@fkp.uni-hannover.de> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:52:29 +0200 From: Percy Zahl Organization: FKP X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Federico Mena Quintero , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: How to render/update a small rectangle of GdkImlibImage in aGnomeCanvasImage ? References: <37A1E8C4.7A7791E6@fkp.uni-hannover.de> <199907301912.PAA25423@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > > > I need a fast update of small, rectangular region of a GdkImlibImage, > > which is displayed via a GnomeCanvasImageItem. > > [...] > > Application code should never ever call the > gnome_canvas_request_redraw() and update() family of functions. These > are meant to be used only by canvas item implemenations. > > You should simply tell the image item that the image changed: > > gnome_canvas_item_set (gitem, > "image", gimg, > NULL); I see. It´s Ok so far, but I can not be satisfied to redraw a 800x800 or even bigger Image every few seconds I got a new Line of data... It is nessesary to see the aquired data online. I´m rewriting my STM/AFM (Scanning Tunneling Microscopy/Atomic Force Microscopy) Software from the libxforms-0.88... My previously solution was a selfbuild xforms object, where I do my own "rendering" for (supporting 8/15/16/24bit) and palette mapping using the xlib directly (with MIT-SHM support). My object has some very fast inline functions to set single pixels/lines and uses calls like if(NoShm) XPutImage(disp, win, gc, ximage, xs,ys, x0+xs,y0+ys, w,h); else XShmPutImage(disp, win, gc, ximage, xs,ys, x0+xs,y0+ys, w,h, False); XFlush(disp); to refresh the image... after I changed some data in ximage... > This will redraw the whole image. Right now there is no way to tell > it about a small change, though. This is really not possible with > imlib, since its dithering algorithm requires a recalculation of the > whole image. > > Now that GnomeCanvasImage supports GdkPixbuf, it would make sense to > have a function to notify it about a local change. I'll look into it. If there is a nice and fast way solving my problem, I´ll be very happy to forget about xlib hacking.... PS: Who knows how gimp does the drawing/refreshing in a area ? Percy Zahl .^. /V\ www.linux.org Email: zahl@fkp.uni-hannover.de // \\ www.gnome.org http://www.fkp.uni-hannover.de /( )\ www.gnu.org ^^-^^ metager.de Institut f"ur Festk"orperphysik, Appelstr. 2, D-30167 Hannover Tel.Labor: +49 (0)511/762-4825, Fax: -4877 From ke@suse.de Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 24972 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:00:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:00:43 -0000 Received: from Cantor.suse.de (Cantor.suse.de [194.112.123.193]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA02061 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:00:41 -0400 Received: from Galois.suse.de (Galois.suse.de [194.112.123.130]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FE2F32CFA; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:00:09 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Frechet.suse.de (Frechet.suse.de [10.10.0.123]) by Galois.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id B927467EC; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:00:08 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ke@localhost) by Frechet.suse.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA11615; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:00:09 +0200 Sender: ke@suse.de To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Maintainer of German translations References: <19990728203516.A32529@audrey> <199907282058.NAA17779@ferrule.cygnus.com.> <19990729234250.A17848@audrey> From: Karl Eichwalder Date: 03 Aug 1999 11:00:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Thu, 29 Jul 1999 23:42:50 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 34 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: | I haven't had a look at the page or subscribed the list yet, but what | I wonder is whether having the Gnome translations done via such a | translation team would mean that people which are unfamiliar with the | project would do .po file translations. The Translation Project is a "free" project. To join it, there's no need to actually process the PO files via the so called "Translation Project Robot" (TP Robot, for short). But the list is there to discuss special translation problems; I've had the feeling, you're looking for such a forum. | BTW, Karsten has cobbled up a German .po file with messages that are | common to many programs. I will review it, we will work it into some | usable state, and finally we will be able to do a lot of the initial | translation work on an application by simply merging the common .po | file in. That's pretty good. And exactly these issues are to be discussed at LL@li.org. (Of course, often it's better to do it than to perform endless discussions). | Maybe we could create a CVS module for such translation catalogs? | Other locales could deposit theirs there, too. I'm not sure whether we actually need a CVS for this purpose; I'm sure, François would be helpful to host such an catalog at his server, too. This catalog looks like a meta catalog (kind of a library, not specific to a textdomain). -- Karl Eichwalder From jgs@plurimarketing.pt Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 4281 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:18:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:18:21 -0000 Received: from fw-outer.plurimarketing.pt (root@[193.126.249.253]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA03694 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:18:18 -0400 Received: from pcjgs (pcjgs.plurimarketing.pt [192.168.254.21]) by fw-outer.plurimarketing.pt (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id KAA16294; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:17:34 +0100 Received: by localhost with Microsoft MAPI; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:17:59 +0100 Message-ID: <01BEDD99.764FAB20.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> From: Jorge Gomes Silva To: "'Bruce Stephens'" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:17:56 +0100 Organization: Plurimarketing X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet E-mail/MAPI - 8.0.0.4211 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On Monday, August 02, 1999 8:58 PM, Bruce Stephens [SMTP:bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk] wrote: > Jorge Gomes Silva writes: > > > Are there any plans for integrating a directory service into Gnome ? > > > > I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the > > enterprise. It also might be useful for the home user if you think > > about it at an Internet scale. > > What would Gnome use a directory for? Well in Windows you can do things like sharing directories to allow other ppl to access information in your machine. If you do that you'll probably want to specify which users in the network will have access to your shares/information. You'll need a directory service for that. I worked with some big companies and one of the things most of them demanded was "Roaming/Network user profiles". With Network profiles (which Windows provides), a user can logon at any computer, validates himself with a directory service on the network (a.k.a Domain Controller in Windows) , and gets its profile from the directory service. In that way a user's desktop always looks the same, independently of the computer where the user logged on. This kind of feature is very useful in bank branches where the user can logon in different computers at different times. These are two examples of using a directory service for "desktop functions". Other uses may occur, like storing mail addresses (important in big organizations), etc. As an additional point, one of the most important features that Microsoft has been advertising for its Windows 2000 is the "Active directory" (I know Microsoft may not be a good example...). > > It's clearly the wrong thing to provide one. > > I can see why you might want a directory to be around, and so you'd > want Linux/FreeBSD/etc., to have a directory, but I don't want a GUI > to provide one. > > It would be nice to have a good Gnome directory user agent (using > LDAP, presumably), but that's an application. I can also see why > you'd want mail user agents (and anything else which wanted email > addresses) to be able to use LDAP. > > I'm less sure that configuration and/or address books should be done > using LDAP. I'm sure they will be, but I'm dubious that this is the > right thing to use. (An SQL database for address book might be an > interesting way to go.) > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From hvr@hvrlab.dhs.org Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 6044 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:19:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:19:30 -0000 Received: from phobos.hvrlab.dhs.org (root@cable-modem113.m2.kabelnet.net [195.202.132.113]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA03817 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:19:28 -0400 Received: from phoenix.twisted.hvrlab.dhs.org (phoenix.twisted.hvrlab.dhs.org [10.51.1.3]) by phobos.hvrlab.dhs.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA13924; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:18:58 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:18:58 +0200 (CEST) From: Herbert Valerio Riedel X-Sender: hvr@phoenix.twisted.hvrlab.dhs.org To: gtkmm@modeemi.cs.tut.fi, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: Gtk-- 1.0.2 RPMs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hi if anyone should care, I've build RPMs of Gtk-- 1.0.2 for RH6/intel & RH6/alpha http://www.hvrlab.dhs.org/~hvr/gtk--/ -- From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 8075 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:21:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:21:16 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA03999 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:21:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA18203; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:28:28 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:28:28 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Percy Zahl cc: Federico Mena Quintero , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: How to render/update a small rectangle of GdkImlibImage in aGnomeCanvasImage ? In-Reply-To: <37A6ADCD.2C277198@fkp.uni-hannover.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE You probably want to look at the gdkrgb code. It is used in the antialiased canvas to draw to the screen, and is also used in all versions of gimp that work with gtk+-1.2. With it, you can render rgb, greyscale or indexed image data to a=20 drawable, and you do not need to worry about visuals. If you do not need the other features of the canvas, you may want to use a GtkDrawingArea to display the image. If you need the other canvas features, and the level of control you want it may be necessary to write a custom canvas item. James Henstridge. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Percy Zahl wrote: > Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > >=20 > > > I need a fast update of small, rectangular region of a GdkImlibImage= , > > > which is displayed via a GnomeCanvasImageItem. > > > > [...] > >=20 > > Application code should never ever call the > > gnome_canvas_request_redraw() and update() family of functions. These > > are meant to be used only by canvas item implemenations. > >=20 > > You should simply tell the image item that the image changed: > >=20 > > gnome_canvas_item_set (gitem, > > "image", gimg, > > NULL); >=20 > I see. It=B4s Ok so far, but I can not be satisfied to redraw a 800x800 o= r=20 > even bigger Image every few seconds I got a new Line of data... >=20 > It is nessesary to see the aquired data online. >=20 > I=B4m rewriting my STM/AFM (Scanning Tunneling Microscopy/Atomic Force > Microscopy)=20 > Software from the libxforms-0.88... >=20 > My previously solution was a selfbuild xforms object, where I do my own > "rendering" > for (supporting 8/15/16/24bit) and palette mapping using the xlib > directly > (with MIT-SHM support). > My object has some very fast inline functions to set single pixels/lines > and > uses calls like >=20 > if(NoShm) > XPutImage(disp, win, gc, ximage, xs,ys, x0+xs,y0+ys, w,h); > else =20 > XShmPutImage(disp, win, gc, ximage, xs,ys, x0+xs,y0+ys, w,h, False); > XFlush(disp);=20 >=20 > to refresh the image... after I changed some data in ximage... >=20 > > This will redraw the whole image. Right now there is no way to tell > > it about a small change, though. This is really not possible with > > imlib, since its dithering algorithm requires a recalculation of the > > whole image. > >=20 > > Now that GnomeCanvasImage supports GdkPixbuf, it would make sense to > > have a function to notify it about a local change. I'll look into it. >=20 > If there is a nice and fast way solving my problem, I=B4ll be very=20 > happy to forget about xlib hacking.... >=20 > PS: Who knows how gimp does the drawing/refreshing in a area ? >=20 > Percy Zahl > .^. > /V\ www.linux.org > Email: zahl@fkp.uni-hannover.de // \\ www.gnome.org > http://www.fkp.uni-hannover.de /( )\ www.gnu.org > ^^-^^ metager.de > Institut f"ur Festk"orperphysik, Appelstr. 2, D-30167 Hannover > Tel.Labor: +49 (0)511/762-4825, Fax: -4877 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From awol@xs4all.nl Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 12195 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:26:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:26:51 -0000 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA04544 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:26:50 -0400 Received: from for.ever (dc2-modem1099.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.132.75]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25155; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:26:44 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37A5FD5C.616BDCFB@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:27:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Volovics To: "James M. Cape" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, Michael Fulbright , Matt Craun On 02-Aug-99 James M. Cape wrote: > I do think that if such a project is started, the leaders should make it > explicitly clear that they are *not* working eliminating other Window > Managers, simply changing the default to one that is better integrated > with GNOME. Those who like their own WMs (like myself) will continue to > use them, and those that could care less, will benefit from a saner > default. I in general agree with this sentiment and the statements by Michael Fulbright. However I do not really understand why so many people want to hang on to their windowmanager when using Gnome. Given Gnome and what it sets out to do, a standard minimal built in windowmanager, that only does what is really absolutely necessary and does this fully Gnome compliant and invisible to the user, would have been by far the most elegant solution. Most WM's set out to be more then a `bare bones' WM, they add extra functionality and this extra functionality `overlaps' with Gnome. Given the fact that there are no clear specs for WM writers you still get problems when using Gnome in combination with a "gnome-compliant" window manager (even Enlightenment). When you are able to fully use WM and Gnome elements next to each other the result of mixing these elements on the desktop is not esthetically pleasing. Mostly it is just plain ugly. In the absence of easy tools to make common themes for a WM and Gnome I do not find this very interesting. (And then why would you want to mix elements as the functionality is available in both the WM and Gnome). I use both Enlightenment and Gnome (on top of Enlightenment) but I do not 'mix'. When the mood strikes me I use E (no docks, no panel, no icons on desktop, etc. (but I continue using Gnome apps)) and when I get bored I switch to Gnome and suppres all signs of Enlightenment. ************************************* Alexander Volovics Dept of Methodology & Statistics Maastricht University, Maastricht, NL ************************************* From awol@xs4all.nl Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 12369 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:26:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:26:57 -0000 Received: from smtp3.xs4all.nl (smtp3.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.49]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA04557 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:26:56 -0400 Received: from for.ever (dc2-modem1099.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.132.75]) by smtp3.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22830; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:26:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:27:38 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Volovics To: "James M. Cape" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org On 03-Aug-99 James M. Cape wrote: > Matthias Warkus wrote: >> > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media >> >> Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop >> icons or the mount applet. > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. The kinds of yes-no discussions are pointless. There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people on earth. Easy and intuitive is what you are used to! If you grew up with Unix/Linux you would probably not give the `mount' command a second thought. And for users who do not have to work with cdroms professionally it is surely no problem to `mount' the drive for the `once in a month' occasion. Especially when you use a desktop icon or panel drive-mount capplet. When more than one user shares a cdrom-drive at the same time mounted drives are a necessity. As long as it is all clearly documented and newbies warned beforehand. > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. If you are using RH/Mandrake 6.0 open linuxconf and take a look at the configuration options of `Access local drive'. The only problem again is that no newbie has a clear summary of the things he/she can configure and change and where and how to do this. Furthermore these things are basically Linux (or Linux distribution) and not Gnome problems. Though you can hide the "ugliness" from the user by putting a Gnome screen around it. So the question becomes "how much of Linux should we hide with Gnome" (or "prettify with Gnome"). And what part do the Linux distributions play in this. What part does the linuxconf project play in this. Alexander ************************************* Alexander Volovics Dept of Methodology & Statistics Maastricht University, Maastricht, NL ************************************* From awol@xs4all.nl Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 12524 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:27:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:27:02 -0000 Received: from smtp1.xs4all.nl (smtp1.xs4all.nl [194.109.127.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA04562 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:27:01 -0400 Received: from for.ever (dc2-modem1099.dial.xs4all.nl [194.109.132.75]) by smtp1.xs4all.nl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA25232; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:27:45 +0200 (CEST) From: Alexander Volovics To: (Matthias Warkus) Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org On 02-Aug-99 Matthias Warkus wrote: >> Easier to use dial up control > Just *how* much easier do you want it to get? You've got gnome-ppp and > the Modem Lights applet, what's the problem? The problem is for example: 1) The permission: `user'<-->`root' problem 2) The `configuration' problem For the Modem Lights applet you first have to configure ppp using `netcfg' or `linuxconf' (if you are using RH) and then have to know that you must enter something like "/sbin/ifup ppp0", "/sbin/ifdown ppp0" under the `properties' of modem-lights. Gnome-ppp seems to suggest that you can get by without using netcfg or linuxconf, i.e. you can enter all the info under the `Account' menu entry. And then you discover that it does not `work' because you have not got the permission to start pppd. And then you have to use a `suid root' construction for example. Not elegant and not secure. Think of the hurdles this raises for someone new to Linux. And it is easy to think up even more problems: 3) More than 1 ISP for example if you use `modem-lights'. It is not at all evident how to add more than 3 DNS servers and keep them `seperate' without writing scripts and you would maybe need more than one `modem-lights' icon. (I am assuming RH) However these are not really Gnome issues, they are Linux (system) issues. Alexander ************************************* Alexander Volovics Dept of Methodology & Statistics Maastricht University, Maastricht, NL ************************************* From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 201 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:53:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:53:29 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA07277 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:53:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA18360; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:00:59 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:00:59 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Daniel Veillard cc: Kevin der Kinderen , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Gnome RPM Configuration Help] In-Reply-To: <19990803041844.B13069@w3.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I would be interested in what people think about this. The rpmfind code in gnorpm is not perfect, and could do with a bit of tuning. You can currently disable distributions by setting their rating to -1. It would be useful to have the have some distributions turned off by default. I don't know if turning all but one is such a great idea though (the user will often want one of the contrib archives at least). For most people's systems, it is best to turn off some distributions (eg. SuSE and Red Hat often have conflicting package names, so you probably only want to search for either SuSE or Red Hat packages, but not both. There are some small incompatibilities in the other distributions, but the RH/SuSE one is the biggest. The current code can already eliminate packages for the wrong architecture, so it is not necessary to exclude other architectures from the allowed distribution list. Does anyone have any ideas about what the best way to handle this is? James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > The distributions page allows you to place ratings on the different > > distributions that are indexed on the rpmfind server. It also allows you > > to specify your favourite mirror. If you are using the www.redhat.com > > metadata server (the default for binary distributed with RH6). On the > > other hand, if you use the larger rpmfind.net server, there are about 90 > > distributions, so you may want to give the rpmfind code some hints as to > > what to pick (for a start, if you are using a red hat based distribution, > > set the SUSE distributions in the list to -1, so they don't get chosen). > > If you want, don't even worry about this page. > > James, > > my analysis of the feedback I got from rpmfind users tends to prove that > it's a not well know feature. Maybe a simplistic default option like > "fetch only from the iinstalled distribution" turned on by default would > avoid troubles. This would also I guess cover distributors concerns, and > avoid them having the default setup pointing to a reduced metadata base > like RedHat did for 6.0. > Then being able to pick in a menu a set of other distribs and "add them" > would allow "experienced users" to have a richer set to choose from (however > source package queries should really search the full set). > > Daniel > > -- > Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : > Tel : +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, > Fax : +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, > http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. > From jirka@5z.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 3403 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 09:57:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 09:57:39 -0000 Received: from zinc.5z.com (jirka@5z.com [208.137.250.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA07655; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 05:57:38 -0400 Received: (from jirka@localhost) by zinc.5z.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id CAA30348; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:57:43 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 03:29:39 -0700 From: George To: gnome-list-announce@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@nuclecu.unam.mx Subject: Re: Second GNOME aniversary. Message-ID: <19990803032939.C9889@tina.linux.bogus> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list-announce@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@nuclecu.unam.mx References: <199908030629.BAA07282@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <199908030629.BAA07282@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx>; from Miguel de Icaza on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 01:29:57AM -0500 On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 01:29:57AM -0500, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > Various GNOMErs will meet next week at the LinuxWorld Expo and we > plan to celebrate GNOME's 2nd year of existance during the show. If > you have cool ideas on celebration procedures, lets us know. Damn, I'll still be in europe during LWE. So everyone drink a beer for me :) George From lauris@ariman.ee Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 31184 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 10:42:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 10:42:14 -0000 Received: from kolumats.ariman.ee (lauris@tnt2-95.estpak.ee [195.250.181.95]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA11660 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:42:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (lauris@localhost) by kolumats.ariman.ee (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04481 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:44:53 +0300 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:44:53 +0300 (EEST) From: Lauris Kaplinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: How to render/update a small rectangle of GdkImlibImage in aGnomeCanvasImage ? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello If canvas functionality is really needed, there is GnomeCanvasWidget. Not tried this, but shouldn't GtkDrawingArea as canvas widget allow updating arbitrary rectangles? Lauris On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, James Henstridge wrote: > You probably want to look at the gdkrgb code. It is used in the > antialiased canvas to draw to the screen, and is also used in all versions > of gimp that work with gtk+-1.2. > > With it, you can render rgb, greyscale or indexed image data to a > drawable, and you do not need to worry about visuals. > > If you do not need the other features of the canvas, you may want to use > a GtkDrawingArea to display the image. If you need the other canvas > features, and the level of control you want it may be necessary to write a > custom canvas item. > > James Henstridge. > > ... From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 4552 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 10:49:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 10:49:22 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA12462 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:49:20 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem118.webtribe.net [194.164.194.118]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA16484; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:51:13 GMT Message-ID: <000401bedd9c$f43e1aa0$76c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: , "Matthias Warkus" References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:48:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > > Preview button actually do something in Control Center's theme > > selector > > Window manager issue. Let me guess, you use Enlightenment from CVS? > It works fine for me with Window Maker. At least I think that's the > reason. Works fine for me and I've got E from CVS. The only time it's not worked was when it had just been added, and it did nothing. A few releases later, and it worked fine. Iain From millerd@bconnex.net Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 1154 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 11:36:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 11:36:30 -0000 Received: from mail.bconnex.net (mail.bconnex.net [205.189.200.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA16284 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:36:29 -0400 Received: from bconnex.net (iah17-103.barrie.connex.net [209.212.39.103]) by mail.bconnex.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id HAA06939 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:32:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A6D3F3.36CAD3AF@bconnex.net> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:35:15 -0400 From: denis miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: esound not found Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I tried to start Gnome I received the following message: Unable to connect to server port 35091 Program could not talk to the esound server GtkWARNING: cannot open display I am running SuSE 6.1 and have checked that esound is loaded. Can anyone enlighten me as to the cause and correction of this problem. I am running Gnome on my Redhat box and like it much better than KDE. Many thanks Denis From Johannes.Hoelzl@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 9384 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 12:16:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 12:16:26 -0000 Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (mailout05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.153]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA18731 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:16:25 -0400 Received: from fwd09.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.169]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BdUN-0002cU-00; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:16:15 +0200 Received: from t-online.de (080751880-0008(btxid)@[212.184.145.22]) by fwd09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:16:09 +0200 Message-ID: <37A6DE10.A3712757@t-online.de> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:18:24 +0000 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i486) X-Accept-Language: German/Germany, de-DE, German, de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908020209.WAA18581@grudge.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Sender: 080751880-0008@t-online.de From: Johannes.Hoelzl@t-online.de (Johannes =?iso-8859-1?Q?H=F6lzl?=) If you see in the GNOME CVS, there is a module called "gnome-wm". It is a (pre-?)alpha version, no Workspaces .... johannes From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 10956 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 13:18:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 13:18:46 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20990 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:18:45 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-44.powerisp.com [199.105.137.44]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id GAA06653 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:16:54 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A6EB5F.9173D757@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:15:11 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elliot Lee wrote: > > On 30 Jul 1999 04:46:28 -0400, Kent Nyberg wrote: > > >You know RedHat's Printtool? Create a control-center capplet WRT it. > >This will require root permissions, so some way to access root will need > >to be coded, possibly as a library, so every GNOME app can have secure > >access to restricted settings and files. > > System administration is not meant to go into the control center, which is > more for per-user settings (e.g. to give the user total control over how > their environment works). We do need system administration tools, but that's > another project... :) > > >There is a way to change the global GTK+ Fonts with the Control Center, > > Where?! The Font Selector bit is in the Theme Selector capplet. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 23403 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 13:35:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 13:35:05 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21900 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:35:00 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.44] (helo=lou-ts5-30.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11BeiX-00018N-00; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:34:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:38:25 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Alexander Volovics wrote: i was thinking about the mount command. i have my mount set up so that all the devices are user mountable. then, in my afterstep menus i have four entries: Mount CD Mount Floppy Unmount DC Umount Floppy these work perfectly. and all i have to do is put them media in and click the menu entry. why can this not be incorporated into the gnome menus? you have a mount directory which allows the user to select the medium or even add new ones (zip drives and the like). this would, at least, make it easier for the new user to get around...they wouldn't have to, at first, learn the mount command as such. but we all know that new users eventually get curious ;-) > > On 03-Aug-99 James M. Cape wrote: > > > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > >> > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > >> > >> Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > >> icons or the mount applet. > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > The kinds of yes-no discussions are pointless. > There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people on earth. > > Easy and intuitive is what you are used to! > > If you grew up with Unix/Linux you would probably not give the `mount' > command a second thought. > And for users who do not have to work with cdroms professionally > it is surely no problem to `mount' the drive for the `once in a > month' occasion. Especially when you use a desktop icon or panel > drive-mount capplet. > When more than one user shares a cdrom-drive at the same time mounted > drives are a necessity. > As long as it is all clearly documented and newbies warned beforehand. > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > If you are using RH/Mandrake 6.0 open linuxconf and take a look at the > configuration options of `Access local drive'. > The only problem again is that no newbie has a clear summary > of the things he/she can configure and change and where and how to do > this. > > Furthermore these things are basically Linux (or Linux distribution) and > not Gnome problems. > Though you can hide the "ugliness" from the user by putting a Gnome > screen around it. So the question becomes "how much of Linux should we > hide with Gnome" (or "prettify with Gnome"). And what part do the > Linux distributions play in this. What part does the linuxconf project > play in this. > > Alexander > > ************************************* > Alexander Volovics > Dept of Methodology & Statistics > Maastricht University, Maastricht, NL > ************************************* > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- Hey, what's the big deal about going to some building every Sunday? I mean, isn't God everywhere? -- Homer Simpson Homer the Heretic From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 25099 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 13:36:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 13:36:59 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22020; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:36:58 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-44.powerisp.com [199.105.137.44]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id GAA19007; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 06:35:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A6EFA6.7D83870F@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:33:26 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: hestgray@ionet.net CC: gnome-hackers@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-gui-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Need help with interface for theme editor References: <19990802222335.A28486@gigo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Hestilow wrote: > > Hi. I'm writing a theme editor, rcedit, which will support both color and > pixmap themes. However, I'm at a loss as to what the interface should look > like. Therefore, I'm asking any interested parties to send me ideas, > designs, or mockups using glade or the gimp. If I choose your design, > I'm willing to list you as a co-author. > > Here is what the interface will need to support for the app: > Preview area > > For pixmap and per-widget color themes: A way to specify the style for > a specific widget class, such as, all GtkButtons are blue, etc. > > For a simple color theme: Need to be able to specify font, > the four color settings (fg, bg, base, and text) for each of the five states > (Normal, Selected, Active, Prelight, Insensitive), and optionally, > background pixmap, theme engine. > > I can (and have already) handle the coding, I just need to know how > to present it to the user. > > For a look at the current interface, it is in cvs, module "rcedit". > > Thanks! Perhaps a Windows-color-selector style idea, where there is a box containing buttons, scrollbars, radiobuttons, checkbuttons, typins, etc. at the top, with a list of available settings below. Also, the Pixmap Engine should be selected automatically if required by the user's choices: [BOX] [Image Type selected by user]% Font: [___________________]# [Browse...] [J: pulldown showing recent + Browse button] Background Image: [___________________]# [Browse...] [J: pulldown showing recent + Browse button] (o) Tiled (XPM images only) ( ) Scaled Non-scaling borders: [J: disabled if not selected via radio] Left: [__]^ [J: spinbutton] Right: [__]^ Top [__]^ Bottom: [__]^ Theme Engine [__________]# [J: a modal warning should be displayed if selecting the wrong engine will affect the settings above, explaining what the problem is.] If this could be merged with the GNOME Control-Center's Theme Selector (each one being in a different tab, with a short explanations of inheiritance on the "Existing Themes" Tab), that would be really nice. This would make a *great* replacement for the gnomecc Theme Selector. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From rde@webtrak.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 30119 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 13:42:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 13:42:13 -0000 Received: from tethys.webtrak.co.uk (tethys.webtrak.co.uk [193.116.48.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22463 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:42:12 -0400 Received: from titan.webtrak.co.uk (titan.webtrak.co.uk [193.116.48.200]) by tethys.webtrak.co.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA04686 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:43:11 +0100 (BST) Received: (from rde@localhost) by titan.webtrak.co.uk (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) id OAA12357; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:41:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:41:49 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199908031341.OAA12357@titan.webtrak.co.uk> From: Richard Evans To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Basic Gnome/Enlightenment help I've just installed RedHat 6.0 and I'm very happy with Gnome! But ... I've got three problems which I can't find any answers to in the docs. Apologies if these are very basic but here they are: 1. By default Enlightenment positions windows starting at the top of the screen; for some reason this really irritates me - I guess I'm used to the "random placement" mode in other window managers. I've found the manual window placement option but not any other controls on placement. Is there any way to get "random" placement? 2. If I create a new launcher icon on the desktop (for emacs!), I find that when the application starts the current directory is ~/.gnome-desktop/. This is a bit annoying with emacs - I'd like it to start in my home directory. Is there any way to specify the initial directory? 3. If I click on one of the icons for current applications in the task bar (is that the correct term?), the window doesn't come to the front. This is a real pain - I can bring it to the front if I iconize and restore, but that is a lot of clicks to achieve a basic operation. What's going on here? Richard From MURRAYR@dor.state.ma.us Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 32651 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 13:46:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 13:46:31 -0000 Received: from gatekeeper2.dor.state.ma.us (gatekeeper2.dor.state.ma.us [209.192.167.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA22735 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:46:30 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper2.dor.state.ma.us; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id JAA12792; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:47:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailgate.dor.state.ma.us (unverified) by dor-intproxy.dor.state.ma.us (Content Technologies SMTPRS 2.0.15) with SMTP id for ; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:47:27 -0400 Received: by mailgate.dor.state.ma.us (5.65v4.0/1.1.19.2/14Apr98-0236PM) id AA03377; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:47:27 -0400 X400-Received: by mta MDOR-MTA in /PRMD=MDOR/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/; Relayed ; 3 Aug 1999 13:46:12 +0000 Date: 3 Aug 1999 13:46:12 +0000 X400-Originator: MURRAYR@dor.state.ma.us X400-Recipients: gnome-list@gnome.org X400-Mts-Identifier: [/PRMD=MDOR/ADMD=ATTMAIL/C=US/;438F7B4211D34988000811BB] Discarded-X400-Mts-Extensions: (43) (12) (2) (135) (115) (5) (6) (3) From: "Ronald Murray" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Accessing dot files/directories with GNOME editors? Importance: normal Sensitivity: Company-Confidential Autoforwarded: FALSE Message-Id: Original-Encoded-Information-Types: (1) (0) (10021) (7) (1) (0) (6), (1) (0) (10021) (7) (1) (0) (1) X400-Content-Identifier: D690IAR23PSW X400-Content-Type: P2-1988 (22) Priority: normal How do I access "hidden" files and directories (ie those whose names begin with a dot) using gEdit and gnotepad+? The save/load dialog boxes don't seem to allow access to these, at least on my two RH 6.0 machines. I've looked at the documentation, but don't see anything useful on the subject. Thanks, .....Ron ********************************************************************** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please delete it immediately. ********************************************************************** From lauris@ariman.ee Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 13345 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:00:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:00:34 -0000 Received: from kolumats.ariman.ee (lauris@tnt2-140.estpak.ee [195.250.181.140]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23676 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:00:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (lauris@localhost) by kolumats.ariman.ee (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA05260 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:03:05 +0300 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:03:05 +0300 (EEST) From: Lauris Kaplinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I think, that before adressing many system administration problems we have to work out something like 'GNOME security model'. I.e. what should remain to distro makers and what belongs to GNOME. There are several problematic packages: - Gnorpm - gnome-ppp - mount applet etc. etc. I think, that GNOME should not try to implement system administration tasks itself. No GNOME program should have suid bits set (terminal is one possible exception) etc. Distribution makers should take care, that floppies/cdroms are user mountable, that ordinary users can start ppp link etc. If distro makers decide to make specific GNOME program suid root, it should be their decision, not GNOME default behaviour. GNOME should only give suggestions. Such tasks as printer configuration on personal workstation should not need root permissions. These can be solved with clever user/group setup and this is completely distro maker's work. Lauris On 3 Aug 1999, Elliot Lee wrote: > On 30 Jul 1999 04:46:28 -0400, Kent Nyberg wrote: > > >You know RedHat's Printtool? Create a control-center capplet WRT it. > >This will require root permissions, so some way to access root will need > >to be coded, possibly as a library, so every GNOME app can have secure > >access to restricted settings and files. > > System administration is not meant to go into the control center, which is > more for per-user settings (e.g. to give the user total control over how > their environment works). We do need system administration tools, but that's > another project... :) > From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 16375 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:04:11 -0000 Received: from mailout08.btx.dtag.de (mailout08.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23874 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:04:10 -0400 Received: from fwd14.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.174]) by mailout08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BfAi-00002D-00; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:04:04 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[62.157.45.203]) by fwd14.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:03:57 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00543 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:11:05 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:11:05 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990803131105.A516@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 07:36:47PM -0500 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 07:36:47PM -0500 +++ James M. Cape e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > icons or the mount applet. > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. I think that's out of scope for a desktop environment. This reminds me of the people who wanted Gnome to implement an unbuffered floppy access method on its own so that you wouldn't need to mount floppies. There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. > > > Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network > > > Neighborhood) > > > > Hm. You know that gmc can do pretty much regarding networks? > > Yes, and it is not friendly at all about it. That, of course, can be improved. > > > Preview button actually do something in Control Center's theme > > > selector > > > > Window manager issue. Let me guess, you use Enlightenment from CVS? > > It works fine for me with Window Maker. At least I think that's the > > reason. > > That is *not* a window manager issue. That is a bug in this person's > Theme Selector. There is no reason Enlightenment from CVS (or > Enlightenment at all, or any window manager) should interfere with the > GTK+ Theme Selector's applying it's settings via the preview button. > > And I use E CVS, and it works fine for me. Uh-huh. > > > System: > > > > > > Friendlier upgradability > > > > Distribution issue. > > GNOME needs an installer of the caliber of Internet Explorer 4/5. Coded > in xlib, it will check your distribution/package format, check with your > vendor for the latest versions, and go download and install the packages > you select. What? Are we going to implement our own package management system, too? > The distributions are responsible for packaging up versions of GNOME > that will work with whatever else the ship. GNOME can pick up the slack > in it's absense. > > And Mr. Warkus, try to be a little less curt WRT suggestions. Don't > shoot them down just because something exists already. Obviously, a > problem exists, otherwise the suggestion never would've been offered. Don't get me wrong; I'm just trying to make clear that some of those suggestions are really out of scope. > There is a way to change the global GTK+ Fonts with the Control Center, > but I've had 3 people already personally ask me to add this to the > wishlist. The ability is there, but a poor UI has stood in the way for > these people. I wonder how; maybe there should be a GNOME_STOCK font icon ("ABC") on the font selection button. It doesn't look like it's actually a selector. mawa -- Friends don't let friends use MS-DOS -- Duane Fields From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 16489 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:04:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:04:18 -0000 Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA23879 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:04:15 -0400 Received: from fwd14.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.174]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BfAq-0007Jw-00; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:04:12 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[62.157.45.203]) by fwd14.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:03:55 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA00549 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:13:03 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:13:03 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990803131303.B516@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A650C1.88A63702@jcinteractive.com> <37A6627B.D266A9F4@telepath.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37A6627B.D266A9F4@telepath.com>; from Dennis Lee on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 10:31:07PM -0500 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 10:31:07PM -0500 +++ Dennis Lee e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > "James M. Cape" wrote: > > > > Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > > > > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > > > > icons or the mount applet. > > > > > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > Mtools seems to handle the a: drive very well for a quick file save to > floppy disk. Yes it is a command line tool (supper easy to use) > > I wonder if mtool commands could be folded into gmc? Wouldn't that restrict the possible choice of file systems for the floppy to one? I, for one, like to use file systems other than MS-DOS for my floppies. mawa -- As long as you are still embarrassed by someone berating you or plonking you on Usenet, you still treat your counterpart is human. Which is more than you can say of certain posters, and which is (hopefully) the right attitude. -- mawa From shomer@fmco.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 30173 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:23:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:23:20 -0000 Received: from CHARON.TORONTO.FMCO.COM (charon.fmco.com [199.85.124.140]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA25450 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:23:19 -0400 Received: id JAA23220; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:24:46 -0400 Received: by gateway id ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:20:32 -0400 Message-ID: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3713@arthur.london.fmco.com> From: Steve Homer To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:20:31 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > > > System: > > > > > > > > Friendlier upgradability > > > > > > Distribution issue. > > > > GNOME needs an installer of the caliber of Internet Explorer 4/5. Coded > > in xlib, it will check your distribution/package format, check with your > > vendor for the latest versions, and go download and install the packages > > you select. > What? Are we going to implement our own package management system, > too? While a separate package manager, or installation routine is clearly not the right way to go (it strikes me as fundamentally wrong...) Since we are talking about binary dists mainly (compiling from source being an entirely different issue). A statically linked copy of gnorpm (or whatever) for RPM style dists, or gnome-apt for deb's could allow the user to install from any working X installation. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 30607 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:23:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:23:42 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25474 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:23:41 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-44.powerisp.com [199.105.137.44]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id HAA20691; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:21:33 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A6FA87.EC6DC747@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 09:19:51 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Warkus CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> <19990803131105.A516@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 07:36:47PM -0500 +++ > James M. Cape e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > > > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > > icons or the mount applet. > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > I think that's out of scope for a desktop environment. This reminds me > of the people who wanted Gnome to implement an unbuffered floppy > access method on its own so that you wouldn't need to mount floppies. > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure the system to do it automatically. > > > > System: > > > > > > > > Friendlier upgradability > > > > > > Distribution issue. > > > > GNOME needs an installer of the caliber of Internet Explorer 4/5. Coded > > in xlib, it will check your distribution/package format, check with your > > vendor for the latest versions, and go download and install the packages > > you select. > > What? Are we going to implement our own package management system, > too? Read what I wrote. A GNOME installer UI that checks with your vender/distro for the latest versions, then downloads/installs the ones you select. Perhaps I should've appended "from the vendor, using their package format". What I am suggesting is just an FE to the vendor's console tools that checks with your vendor and downloads the ones you want from the vendor's site. (whether that is rpm, dselect, or whatever). Basically, I am thinking of something along the lines of the debian tools which an automatically check for upgrades to any packages, except this is a UI, and is GNOME specific, so you download "get-gnome", run it, select the packages you want to install, download them, and install them. I'm not suggesting we throw out everything Unix just because it's Unix. What I am suggesting (with all of these suggestions, BTW), is that we provide a GUI wrapper for doing it. > > There is a way to change the global GTK+ Fonts with the Control Center, > > but I've had 3 people already personally ask me to add this to the > > wishlist. The ability is there, but a poor UI has stood in the way for > > these people. > > I wonder how; maybe there should be a GNOME_STOCK font icon ("ABC") on > the font selection button. It doesn't look like it's actually a > selector. Well, I think that the best solution would be to ditch the theme selector as it stands now, and go for a cappletized hybrid of the rcedit program posted to this list (and my UI for it) and the Theme Selector. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 5430 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:35:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:35:06 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26298 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:35:06 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.44] (helo=lou-ts5-30.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11Bfeh-00044j-00; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:35:04 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:38:33 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A6FA87.EC6DC747@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII here's a bit more fuel for the fire: the printer applet really doesn't do anything - couldn't this be reworked so that it would tell you what is spooled and give the user the ability to cancel print jobs? i'm not saying use it for setting up printers but controlling them. the rpm package manager grpm is fairly nice but, and this is a system issue i know, but only root can run it. what good does it do the new user to have to be su'ing to root all the time when they are running a desktop machine at home. now i don't mind. in fact i like the security of it. but a new user, coming from windows where dinner is just a click away, won't want to have to deal with these issues. now keep in mind folks that i'm not really speaking about myself or anyone on this list. these are issues that my readers have spoken out about and i felt this would be a good arena to address them. new users are a completely different breed and i find most developers (no offense to anyone here at all) are inable to bring themselves down to the level of the new user and see what it is they want/need. i like to think of myself as a moderator between the lower and higher levels of ability in Linux - at least that's how i approach my column. ;-) thanks for listening. again, i think you are doing a supurb job with Gnome - it's all i use! so i hope all of this is taken in the vein in which i intend. good day all. J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- Lurleen, I can't get your song outta my mind. I haven't felt this way since `Funky Town.' -- Homer Simpson Colonel Homer From eman@sreb.org Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 19946 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 14:54:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 14:54:04 -0000 Received: from NS.SREB.ORG (ns.sreb.org [168.29.218.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA27810 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:54:04 -0400 Received: from sreb.org [168.29.218.234] by NS.SREB.ORG with ESMTP (SMTPD32-4.07) id A1005D1E0200; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:47:28 EDT Message-ID: <37A702EB.31B5E666@sreb.org> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:55:39 -0400 From: Eric Anderson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > the rpm package manager grpm is fairly nice but, and this is a system > issue i know, but only root can run it. what good does it do the > new user to have to be su'ing to root all the time when they are > running a desktop machine at home. now i don't mind. in fact i Well, I use GnoRPM instead of grpm, but the same should apply. I got annoyed with having to go to the command line, switching to root, and then running gnorpm. By then since I was already at the command line I ended up just using the rpm commands. The solution I finally came up with was change the icon link from just running 'gnorpm' to 'su -m -c gnorpm'. I'm not really sure what security issues that brings in, but it seems to be pretty good, becuase it will bring up xterm for me to enter the root password, and then the GnoRPM GUI will come up. This might be obvious solution to some of you developers, but I figured I would post this for the people more like me who want to try and get away from the command line. This way, software installation still requires the root password, but it gets away from the command line some. -- Eric Anderson Computer Science, Georgia Tech Co-op, Southern Regional Education Board ICQ# 1279816 From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 17530 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 15:35:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:35:19 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30059 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:35:18 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id <3P3VJVW5>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:36:24 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Jorge Gomes Silva'" , "'Bruce Stephens'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:37:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I know what you mean. The only thing I miss going entirely to linux is NDS. gconf will take care of that problem. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jorge Gomes Silva [mailto:jgs@plurimarketing.pt] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 2:18 AM > To: 'Bruce Stephens'; gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. > > > > > On Monday, August 02, 1999 8:58 PM, Bruce Stephens > [SMTP:bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk] wrote: > > Jorge Gomes Silva writes: > > > > > Are there any plans for integrating a directory service > into Gnome ? > > > > > > I think that is a "must" if Gnome wants to find a place in the > > > enterprise. It also might be useful for the home user if > you think > > > about it at an Internet scale. > > > > What would Gnome use a directory for? > Well in Windows you can do things like sharing directories to > allow other > ppl to access information in your machine. If you do that > you'll probably > want to specify which users in the network will have access to your > shares/information. You'll need a directory service for that. > > I worked with some big companies and one of the things most of them > demanded was "Roaming/Network user profiles". With Network > profiles (which > Windows provides), a user can logon at any computer, > validates himself with > a directory service on the network (a.k.a Domain Controller > in Windows) , > and gets its profile from the directory service. In that way a user's > desktop always looks the same, independently of the computer > where the user > logged on. This kind of feature is very useful in bank > branches where the > user can logon in different computers at different times. > > These are two examples of using a directory service for "desktop > functions". Other uses may occur, like storing mail addresses > (important in > big organizations), etc. > > As an additional point, one of the most important features > that Microsoft > has been advertising for its Windows 2000 is the "Active > directory" (I know > Microsoft may not be a good example...). > > > > > It's clearly the wrong thing to provide one. > > > > I can see why you might want a directory to be around, and so you'd > > want Linux/FreeBSD/etc., to have a directory, but I don't want a GUI > > to provide one. > > > > It would be nice to have a good Gnome directory user agent (using > > LDAP, presumably), but that's an application. I can also see why > > you'd want mail user agents (and anything else which wanted email > > addresses) to be able to use LDAP. > > > > I'm less sure that configuration and/or address books should be done > > using LDAP. I'm sure they will be, but I'm dubious that this is the > > right thing to use. (An SQL database for address book might be an > > interesting way to go.) > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 26538 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 15:40:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:40:52 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30654 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:40:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA19962; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:48:32 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:48:32 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Ronald Murray cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Accessing dot files/directories with GNOME editors? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In the directory where the . file is, type ".*" in the filename entry, followed by the tab key. This will show files matching the pattern ".*" in the files list. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On 3 Aug 1999, Ronald Murray wrote: > How do I access "hidden" files and directories (ie those whose names begin > with a dot) using gEdit and gnotepad+? The save/load dialog boxes don't seem to > allow access to these, at least on my two RH 6.0 machines. I've looked at the > documentation, but don't see anything useful on the subject. > > Thanks, > > .....Ron > ********************************************************************** > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please delete > it immediately. > ********************************************************************** > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 7042 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 15:49:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:49:17 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA32266 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:49:17 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch02m7.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.199]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02381; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:49:07 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37A70DFD.D0A35566@email.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:42:53 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Richard Evans CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Basic Gnome/Enlightenment help References: <199908031341.OAA12357@titan.webtrak.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Richard Evans wrote: > I've just installed RedHat 6.0 and I'm very happy with Gnome! > > But ... I've got three problems which I can't find any answers to in the > docs. Apologies if these are very basic but here they are: > 3. If I click on one of the icons for current applications in the task bar (is > that the correct term?), the window doesn't come to the front. This is a > real pain - I can bring it to the front if I iconize and restore, but that > is a lot of clicks to achieve a basic operation. What's going on here? Upgrade. I used to have this same problem, but now I don't. My current Enlightenment is 0.15.5-34 and gnome-core 1.0.9-1 and it works fine. -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 11570 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 15:54:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 15:54:34 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00939 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:54:34 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch02m7.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.199]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02409 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:54:27 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37A70F40.A7D17CF1@email.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:48:16 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Weber wrote: > > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... Agreed. I'd prefer a lot if gnome-list was a newsgroup instead of a list. Maybe someone could set that up? -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 23615 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 16:39:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 16:39:36 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05393 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:39:34 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in31.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.31]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id SAA48790 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:39:14 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:39:24 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:39:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNU Hurd In-Reply-To: <37A66096.3757CA3@akyman.com.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Jeffrey Lasslett wrote: > Hello, > I was recently reading about the GNU Hurd OS. My question is > simple: Does GNOME compile and run on a system running the Hurd ? Hmmm, the last thing I read about the Hurd about a month ago was that there is currently no X running. No X - No Gnome. ...but debian gnu/hurd has some of the nice packages available. Gtk+, imlib, Gnome, enlightenment, ... I didn't try it. So my answer is maybe. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From bmoore@awod.com Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 8050 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 17:06:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 17:06:11 -0000 Received: from sumter.awod.com (sumter.awod.com [198.81.225.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07210 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:06:10 -0400 Received: from bmoor (atl-qbu-zph-vty20.as.wcom.net [216.192.209.20]) by sumter.awod.com (8.8.7/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA09002 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:06:03 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from bmoore@awod.com) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990803123930.007a4ec0@awod.com> X-Sender: bmoore@awod.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 12:39:30 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Bert Moore Subject: PPP Dialer Applet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" What is this applet linked to? What additional information can be extracted from this applet? It would appear that "on" or "off" does not provide very much information. To whom much is given, much is expected Bert Moore From federico@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 6440 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 17:55:09 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (federico@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11845 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:55:09 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA19124; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:55:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:55:47 -0400 Message-Id: <199908031755.NAA19124@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@nuclecu.unam.mx using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: zahl@fkp.uni-hannover.de CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <37A6ADCD.2C277198@fkp.uni-hannover.de> (message from Percy Zahl on Tue, 03 Aug 1999 10:52:29 +0200) Subject: Re: How to render/update a small rectangle of GdkImlibImage in aGnomeCanvasImage ? X-Homer: You're everywhere. You're omnivorous. References: <37A1E8C4.7A7791E6@fkp.uni-hannover.de> <199907301912.PAA25423@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> <37A6ADCD.2C277198@fkp.uni-hannover.de> > I see. It´s Ok so far, but I can not be satisfied to redraw a 800x800 or > even bigger Image every few seconds I got a new Line of data... > > It is nessesary to see the aquired data online. > > I´m rewriting my STM/AFM (Scanning Tunneling Microscopy/Atomic > Force Microscopy) Software from the libxforms-0.88... Oh! Now I see what you are trying to do. You may want to use GdkRGB instead. It lets you render portions of an image very quickly and with a very nice API. You just need an RGB or grayscale buffer on your side, and you can ask GdkRGB to render rectangular portions of that onto a drawable. Federico From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 23339 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:09:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:09:09 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP58.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.68]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13318 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:09:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA02442; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:12:56 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:12:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Bert Moore cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: PPP Dialer Applet In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990803123930.007a4ec0@awod.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Which applet are you talking about? There is a dialer_applet that is (or was, I think) distributed with gnome-core, there is a modem_lights applet, and there is gnome-ppp-applet that is in gnome-network CVS module. Cody On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Bert Moore wrote: > What is this applet linked to? What additional information can be > extracted from this applet? It would appear that "on" or "off" does not > provide very much information. > To whom much is given, much is expected > Bert Moore > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:17 2000 Received: (qmail 26814 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:12:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:12:42 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13662 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:12:40 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA03409; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:11:11 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: "Iain" Cc: "John Kodis" , Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990802101335.A21854@kodis.jagunet.com> <19990802141420.6095.qmail@lists.redhat.com> <19990802102951.A22085@kodis.jagunet.com> <001d01bedd16$e3463240$4ac2a4c2@webtribe.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 03 Aug 1999 07:11:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Iain"'s message of "Mon, 2 Aug 1999 19:43:16 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Something I found by accident in Enlightenment (I don't know about other > Window Managers but I'd guess they have similar functionality). > If you use the Enlightenment pager (the fancy one that has pretty pictures > of the screen in it), moving a panel is simply a matter of clicking the > pager representation of it and dragging it to where you want. If you don't > use the E pager, just hold down ALT and drag the actual pager around the > place. The new pager from Tim Janik does this as well. Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From federico@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 28850 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:13:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:13:34 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (federico@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13778 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:13:34 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA19144; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:14:09 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:14:09 -0400 Message-Id: <199908031814.OAA19144@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@nuclecu.unam.mx using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: rde@webtrak.co.uk CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <199908031341.OAA12357@titan.webtrak.co.uk> (message from Richard Evans on Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:41:49 +0100 (BST)) Subject: Re: Basic Gnome/Enlightenment help X-Palindrome: A slut nixes sex in Tulsa. References: <199908031341.OAA12357@titan.webtrak.co.uk> > 2. If I create a new launcher icon on the desktop (for emacs!), I find that > when the application starts the current directory is ~/.gnome-desktop/. > This is a bit annoying with emacs - I'd like it to start in my home > directory. Is there any way to specify the initial directory? The reason it works like this is so that if you create files from within the application you run, they will appear in your desktop afterwards. I understand that this is not always be the best policy. As a semi-bad hack, you may want to create a little shell script that switches to the directory you want and then runs Emacs. Put the script in your ~/.gnome-desktop. Federico From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 30651 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:15:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:15:59 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13958 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:15:56 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id HAA03418; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:14:30 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Timothy Murphy Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade References: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> <19990802204202.D38496@boole.maths.tcd.ie> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 03 Aug 1999 07:14:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Timothy Murphy's message of "Mon, 2 Aug 1999 20:42:02 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 32 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Shouldn't some sort of README file come with GNOME upgrades? > It's pretty confusing to a GNOME newbie like me > to just be given a list of 17 (or whatever) RPM files. These are two independent problems: 1. What does the release contain. 2. how to upgrade 17 packages. for 1: each release contains documentation for what changes were done (they are all on the -announce archives), you should read the announcements:-) For 2: That is not an issue the GNOME team is addressing, that is a distributors's issue. My best advice for a newbie is: subscribe to your vendor announce list and upgrade any packages he suggest you upgrade. The RH6 team includes even a list of cut-and-paste commands to do the upgrade over the net. > Am I alone in feeling that GNOME developers > are somewhat lacking in common sense? We lack time. You are welcome to help. Best wishes, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From pspinler@fermat.mayo.edu Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 527 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:18:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:18:46 -0000 Received: from mhro1.mayo.edu (mhro1.mayo.edu [129.176.100.75]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA14140 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:18:46 -0400 Received: from fermat.mayo.edu by mhro1.mayo.edu with ESMTP for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:18:32 -0500 Received: from Mayo.EDU (r0055620 [129.176.63.130]) by fermat.mayo.edu (8.7.5/8.6.12) with ESMTP id NAA27601 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:18:30 -0500 (CDT) Sender: pspinler@fermat.mayo.edu Message-Id: <37A73278.ED44D834@Mayo.EDU> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 13:18:32 -0500 From: Patrick Spinler X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.1.128 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Global changes to all user's panels - how ? References: <37A22FCE.8E54D661@Mayo.EDU> <19990730232132.25029.qmail@lists.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit A quick question please: Assume I am installing whizzy package foobar. How may I add a launcher to _all_ of the user's panels on my system ? I know it's possible to do this for menu definitions, but it'd be nice to do it for panel defs also. (btw .. is there a search function for the mail archives on gnome.org ? There doesn't appear to be, and manually searching each month's messages for some tidbit like this is tedious at best.) -- Pat -- This message does not represent the policies or positions of the Mayo Foundation or its subsidaries. Patrick Spinler email: Spinler.Patrick@Mayo.EDU Mayo Foundation phone: 507/284-9485 From zutroy@mad.scientist.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 3463 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:23:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:23:59 -0000 Received: from tep.crc.usherb.ca (tep.crc.USherb.ca [132.210.157.127]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA14432 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:23:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199908031823.OAA14432@mail.redhat.com> Received: (qmail 5276 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:15:45 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO hippocampe) (132.210.157.90) by tep.crc.usherb.ca with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:15:45 -0000 From: "Martin Lepage" Organization: Universite de Sherbrooke To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:24:05 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: GDMgreeter configuration Reply-to: zutroy@mad.scientist.com Priority: normal X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Hi, I hope this is the right place to ask, but I'm stuck, so here goes : I'm using GDM (I have RedHat 6.0) and I just got around to configuring it. So far, I've managed to put a nice pretty picture in the background:) but gdmgreeter is smack in the middle of the picture. That's a problem. I've seen configuration pages for xdm which seemed to indicate that you could change the dimension of its login window. Can I do the same with gdmgreeter? The options mentionned by doing "gdmgreeter --help" don't help much. While I'm at it, can I change its color too ? Thanks! Martin David Lepage ------------------- zutroy@mad.scientist.com mlepage@tep.crc.usherb.ca ------------------- From dax@gurulabs.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 20035 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:32:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:32:38 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15468 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:32:38 -0400 Received: (qmail 8128 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:32:33 -0000 Received: from brookie.inconnect.com (209.140.64.23) by mail with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:32:33 -0000 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:32:33 -0600 (MDT) From: Dax Kelson X-Sender: dkelson@brookie.inconnect.com To: Daniel Serodio cc: Richard Evans , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Basic Gnome/Enlightenment help In-Reply-To: <37A70DFD.D0A35566@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Daniel Serodio said once upon a time (Tue, 3 Aug 1999): > Richard Evans wrote: > > > I've just installed RedHat 6.0 and I'm very happy with Gnome! > > > > But ... I've got three problems which I can't find any answers to in the > > docs. Apologies if these are very basic but here they are: > > > > > 3. If I click on one of the icons for current applications in the task bar (is > > that the correct term?), the window doesn't come to the front. This is a > > real pain - I can bring it to the front if I iconize and restore, but that > > is a lot of clicks to achieve a basic operation. What's going on here? > > Upgrade. I used to have this same problem, but now I don't. My current > Enlightenment is 0.15.5-34 and gnome-core 1.0.9-1 and it works fine. You can find these updates and more at: ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome Dax Kelson Guru Labs From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 27418 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:42:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:42:11 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA16553 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:42:10 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21012 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:47:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:47:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some constructive criticism for you In-Reply-To: <19990802115745.A1701@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > This *must* be a FAQ by now. When you install an rpm, stuff goes under > the /usr/ tree. When you compile an app yourself, .configure and > .autogen.sh default to /usr/local. This is what stops your applets from > working from the right-click menu. The .desktop and .gnorba files are > in the wrong place. > > When you have an rpm-based system, and compile apps yourself, you must > run ./configure --prefix=/usr (or ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr for CVS). Is there any thought of allowing gnome to check both? I for instance have a stock 6.0 machine, on top of which I build things from source. I prefer having things I build go into /usr/local but since gnome is installed in /usr, I must install things there if I want the .desktop files to get picked up. (or I could do it manually, but still, it should be automatic) -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net sometimes, lifes not fair, i correct myself, i mean all the time -god lives underwater From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 8979 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 18:59:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 18:59:58 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18223 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:59:56 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21035 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:05:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:05:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > Better networking interface (akin, but better, than Network > > Neighborhood) > > Hm. You know that gmc can do pretty much regarding networks? Just wanted to plug gnomba here too, while it needs some more work, i think it will eventually be akin but better than Network Neighborhood, and best of all it leaves file manipulation to your favorite filemanager. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net Death. Inevitable. If death was inevitable, what was left? Style, only style. -Lucifer's Hammer (Larry Niven & Jerry Purnelle) From pierlu@iName.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 15890 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 19:03:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 19:03:41 -0000 Received: from pop02.prod (pop02.mail.com [165.251.20.34] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18628 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:03:41 -0400 Received: from iName.com.iName.com (ts004d33.yng-oh.concentric.net [206.173.78.189]) by pop02.prod (8.9.1/8.8.0) with SMTP id PAA03412 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:03:38 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14247.11344.778434.919327@iName.com> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:52:16 -0400 (EDT) From: pierlu@iName.com (PL. Miraglia) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem with gnome-ppp X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: pierlu@iName.com Gnome-ppp apparently doesn't set the mtu/mru value that are stored in its config file. mtu/mru is set at 296 no matter what I write into the configuration window. I'm using 1.0.12 libs, 1.0.9 core, 1.0.2-2 gnome-network on RH 5.2, all compiled from Gurulabs SRPMS. Thanks for any help, -- --- *** --- *** --- *** --- Pierluigi Miraglia pierlu AT iname.com pmiragli AT kent.edu The soul has a self-increasing logos (Herakl.) From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 23506 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 19:10:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 19:10:29 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19366 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:10:28 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA12145; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:07:15 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:07:15 -0500 Message-Id: <199908031407.JAA12145@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org CC: jcape@jcinteractive.com, gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <19990803040439.A13069@w3.org> (message from Daniel Veillard on Tue, 3 Aug 1999 04:04:39 -0400) Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. X-FileLength: are infinite where infinity is set to 255 characters References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <19990803040439.A13069@w3.org> > - the pager applet doesn't allow to move windows. Not being able to > quickly move a window from one of the virtual screen to another > is one of the major pain in my daily use of gnome. Usual interface > would be left button click and drag. If the drag extend over the > pager area, moving the window onto the current virtual screen would > be bonus ! > (As a side - non interface - note, the pager has been leaking mem > a lot for me. I had to kill it a couple of time when its size went > over 70Megs !) Both problems addressed on the development version of gnome-core. We just need someone to release a devel version of it. Perhaps Jacob would like to take over this task? miguel From ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 20302 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 19:46:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 19:46:38 -0000 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (root@perio.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.16.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23286 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:46:26 -0400 Received: from speedy.perio.unlp.edu.ar ([163.10.16.11]) by perio.unlp.edu.ar (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA15896 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:27:36 GMT From: "Sergio A. Kessler" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:26:30 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Correo Fácil To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Daniel Weber el día Mon, 02 Aug 1999 17:57:56 -0500, escribió: >I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for >gnome-related issues? an addition of a newsgroup for Gnome would be very good Sergio From jpg2@cec.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 128 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 20:02:43 -0000 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25165 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:02:42 -0400 Received: from hilton.cec.wustl.edu (jpg2@hilton.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.4]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id PAA07731 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:02:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by hilton.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with SMTP id PAA26602 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:02:27 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hilton.cec.wustl.edu: jpg2 owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:02:27 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamin Philip Gray Sender: jpg2@cec.wustl.edu To: gnome mailing list Subject: help adding a session to gdm Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just downloaded and compiled the CVS version of enlightenment. What I want to do is test it out while keeping the stable version of enlightenment as my default system-wide sesion for gdm. I've gotten past the configure and make stages of the install of enlightenment (CVS). Can I set up another session for gdm that will exec gnome-session and use the CVS version of enlightenment instead of the stable one? ---------------------------------------------------- Jamin Philip Gray jgray@writeme.com http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ Oh gaze of love so melt my pride That I may in Your house but kneel And in my brokenness to cry Spring worship unto Thee --Jars of Clay From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 3540 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 20:32:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 20:32:49 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA27996 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 16:32:49 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11BlEf-00012k-0C for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:32:40 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA01579; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:31:27 +0100 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Integrated Directory Service. References: <01BEDD99.764FAB20.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 03 Aug 1999 21:31:18 +0100 In-Reply-To: Jorge Gomes Silva's message of "Tue, 3 Aug 1999 10:17:56 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 62 Jorge Gomes Silva writes: > On Monday, August 02, 1999 8:58 PM, Bruce Stephens > [SMTP:bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk] wrote: [...] > > What would Gnome use a directory for? > Well in Windows you can do things like sharing directories to allow > other ppl to access information in your machine. If you do that > you'll probably want to specify which users in the network will have > access to your shares/information. You'll need a directory service > for that. This makes sense. I don't see that it's Gnome, however. > I worked with some big companies and one of the things most of them > demanded was "Roaming/Network user profiles". With Network profiles > (which Windows provides), a user can logon at any computer, > validates himself with a directory service on the network (a.k.a > Domain Controller in Windows) , and gets its profile from the > directory service. In that way a user's desktop always looks the > same, independently of the computer where the user logged on. This > kind of feature is very useful in bank branches where the user can > logon in different computers at different times. Gnome is likely to work on something close to a Unix, so it's not unreasonable to assume that your home directory is available anyway. And that means configuration files would automatically be available. How realistic is a situation where I'm likely to log on anywhere, not have access to my home directory, and yet want to have access to all sorts of personal configuration? It's common with Windows, but not with Unix. In any case, I'd suggest that technically, ACAP (RFC2244) is better for relatively rapidly changing things like configuration information. I just don't think LDAP is designed for keeping track of the layout of all my application windows, or my address book. > These are two examples of using a directory service for "desktop > functions". Other uses may occur, like storing mail addresses > (important in big organizations), etc. Absolutely---directories are designed for holding things like a corporate phone/email directory and things. But not, IMHO, personal address books, or random configuration stuff. However, directories probably *are* going to end up doing this, if only because of Microsoft. (ACAP doesn't seem to have taken the world by storm.) gconf sounds good---that way, Gnome applications could presumably use a directory, if that's what you wanted. I think it would be cool for Gnome to have a directory user agent, too (using LDAP, specifically addressing the openLDAP server). Not that I'm particularly disappointed that directories are becoming trendy. I work for a company one of whose products is an LDAP/X.500 directory (open standards, but certainly not open source, or free software). From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 586 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:04:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:04:45 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA30248 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:04:43 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.236]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 75 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:57:00 +0300 Message-ID: <006301beddf3$fadc8520$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: References: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> <19990802204202.D38496@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:05:53 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 The installation of GNOME is very very easy and not as complicated as eveeryone makes it out to be. The main package: Imlib - Graphic rendering stuff (needs the libjpeg, libpng and all those graphic stuff) ORBit - the CORBA stuff (no dependencies) gnome-libs - equivelant to kdelibs - no applications, depends on ORBit (except for imlib I believe) the base gnome-core - provides the main gnome stuff - the applets, the panel, the name-server, gnome-terminal etc etc This may say it has a dependency for enlightenment, but it doesn't (i.e. --nodep it) All the below need the gnome-libs and gnome-core stuff and are OPTIONAL :) gnome-xml - XML implementation stuff (good idea to install this) a.k.a libxml gnome-http - some HTTP stuff (Good idea to install this) a.k.a. libghttp Some of the below may need gnome-xml or gnome-http - not sure which: gnome-utils - some miscellanious utilities like gHEX and other tidbits gnome-pim - The calender and time tracking tools gnome-network - gnome-PPP and some other stuff which I've never used gedit - a nifty notepad like thingy xchat - A very nice IRC client gnorpm - A front-end to the RPM packagment system (deffinately needs gnome-xml and gnome-http) gnomeicu - An ICQ clone for GNOME gftp - A very nice FTP client for GNOME (needs gnome-http and gnome-xml I /THINK/) All the stuff at the bottom - I can upgrade (rpm -Uvh) with /NO/ problems. I can also rpm -Uvh gnome-libs, gnome-core, and ORBit /VERY/ easily (I get no problems except with gnome-core cos I don't have an RPM enlightenment installed). You may have /SOME/ problems with gnome-xml and gnome-http I use 1.4.0 (for libxml) and 1.0.2 for libghttp and everything is fine though :) Any problems ask on the list From mherbert@cabletron.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 1078 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:05:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:05:10 -0000 Received: from ctron-dnm.ctron.com (firewall-user@ctron-dnm.cabletron.com [12.25.1.120]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA30267 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:05:09 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ctron-dnm.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA26863; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:06:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from roc-mail2.ctron.com(134.141.72.230) by ctron-dnm.ctron.com via smap (4.1) id xma026847; Tue, 3 Aug 99 17:06:06 -0400 Received: from mer-mail.ctron.com (mer-mail [134.141.40.35]) by roc-mail2.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09980; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:10:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mer-exc1.ctron.com (mer-exc1.ctron.com [134.141.49.41]) by mer-mail.ctron.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16904; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:03:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cabletron.com (suntan.ctron.com [134.141.142.99]) by mer-exc1.ctron.com with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2448.0) id P2BBWK70; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:04:20 -0400 Sender: mherbert@cabletron.com Message-ID: <37A75A2C.1658A088@cabletron.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:07:56 -0400 From: Matt Herbert Organization: Cabletron Systems, Inc. X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org CC: "James M. Cape" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > UI: > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > Why is this impossible? This doesn't seem like it should be that difficult. First the code would read in the menu's from the system area. Then it would check the user's home directory, and add any new entries into the menu tree that were found. Then display the menu. Obviously the user's settings would have precedence over the system menu's. This would allow Joe Average User to open up the menu editor, and change something about the gnorpm entry. The menu editor would then save a whole new gnorpm entry in the users home directory (say .gnome/apps/System/gnorpm.desktop), which would override the settings of the system entry. It may also make sense to add a new "Special=delete" entry to the menu item, so If a user wanted to completely remove gnorpm from their menu, they would be able to delete it via the menu editor, which would create a gnorpm.desktop file in the user's home directory, with the special setting, and thus not show the gnorpm menu entry at all. Granted, I don't know C, but I do know perl, and I can picture exactly how the code would work. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like it would be a relatively easy change. This addition would be very nice. It would allow a user to change their menu entries to suit their own personal needs, -and- still allow them to see changes to the system menus. All without having to su to root. -Matt PS, I'm not picking on gnorpm, I was just using it as an example :) From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 9735 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:16:15 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA30846 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:16:00 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.236]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 330; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:07:40 +0300 Message-ID: <008501beddf5$78640760$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: "Daniel Serodio" Cc: References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> <37A70F40.A7D17CF1@email.com> Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:16:34 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 I disagree - Not everyone has newsgroup access and I have no desire or need to use DejaNews for it. And the current set-up with mailing lists seems to be working fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: Daniel Serodio To: Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:48 PM Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome > Daniel Weber wrote: > > > > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for > > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server > > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... > > Agreed. I'd prefer a lot if gnome-list was a newsgroup instead of a list. > Maybe someone could set that up? > > -- > []'s | .^. > Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org > dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org > | /( )\ www.gnome.org > | ^^-^^ > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From culln@xtra.co.nz Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 10883 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:23:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:23:17 -0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mda.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31151 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:23:16 -0400 Received: from saber ([203.96.101.136]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990803212542.MMLX956294.mta2-rme@saber> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:25:42 +1200 From: Nate Cull To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:49:08 +1200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: <01BEDD99.764FAB20.jgs@plurimarketing.pt> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99080409144302.05343@saber> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > I worked with some big companies and one of the things most of them > demanded was "Roaming/Network user profiles". With Network profiles (which > Windows provides), a user can logon at any computer, validates himself with > a directory service on the network (a.k.a Domain Controller in Windows) , > and gets its profile from the directory service. Profiles? As in NT? Please God no. Here's why... I work at a small community college where we've standardised on NT4 Workstations (about 1200 of them) across the campus, and we live by roaming profiles. There's simply no other way to manage a workstation-centric operating system like NT. (We are using Netware 5, not NT Server on the backend, which helps tremendously. NT4 just doesn't have the admin tools). However, it's my experience that NT-style workstation profiles (which are downloaded at login and uploaded to the network filesystem at logout) simply are far too fragile in any real-world network environment. Due to network latency, accidental disconnections, etc, they tend to corrupt themselves on a weekly basis. The file that most often gets corrupted is the NT User Registry, and if Unix systems can stay away from reinventing a single point of failure like this it will be a big bonus. But by far the simplest solution would be this: DON'T use NT-style downloadable, fragile profiles! Use the home directory. That's what it's there for. If a user needs to access all their settings (which should of course just be dot files/directories in their home) from any workstation, then simply move their home directory to a file server and mount it with nfs or a sane modern equivalent. . Um. Topic? Oh yeah. AFAICT, NT doesn't use any kind of directory service for its (broken) profile fetching. It just reads and writes from a networked directory. Sure it uses WINS and its browsing protocol to do name-to-IP lookups, but we've got DNS for that, right? So why exactly do you say roaming users require a directory service? What am I missing? Nate -- ---------------------------------------------------------- nate cull culln@xtra.co.nz http://members.xoom.com/culln Great Quotes of History: "We hold these rights..." "I have a dream today..." "That's one small step..." "I'm working on a free version of a Minix lookalike..." ---------------------------------------------------------- From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 12587 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:32:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:32:05 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31460 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:32:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id RAA06275; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:31:56 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:31:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Daniel Veillard cc: Miguel de Icaza , "James M. Cape" , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. In-Reply-To: <19990803040439.A13069@w3.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > 1. A team of *users* that would tell us what they would like to see > > in GNOME: > > > > a. To make the interface easier. > > Although it's mostly an E related feedback: > - Resizing windows by simple click and drag can only be done at the > bottom corners, this is rather disturbing since all other WM I know > alllow this on all corners (this could be a setting option problem, > I'm using the default RH-6.0 setup). This is 100% an E theme thing. Get a different theme from e.themes.org (I thought the default theme for RH6.0 was a windowsy one that could resize on the sides and top...) --Ben From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 22808 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:45:42 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32389 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:45:41 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id RAA06312; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:45:39 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:45:38 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: "jack wallen, jr" cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Alexander Volovics wrote: > i was thinking about the mount command. i have my mount set up so that > all the devices are user mountable. then, in my afterstep menus i have > four entries: > > Mount CD > Mount Floppy > Unmount DC > Umount Floppy > > these work perfectly. and all i have to do is put them media in and click > the menu entry. why can this not be incorporated into the gnome menus? > you have a mount directory which allows the user to select the medium or > even add new ones (zip drives and the like). This is easy to set up, but the problem I've run into is what if I've got an Eterm that is at /floppy and try to use mount or unmount my floppy... The computer is less than happy :-( I don't see why (from a UI standpoint) there should be a problem. It is errors like this with mounting and unmounting things that lead to confused and frusterated users. > > this would, at least, make it easier for the new user to get around...they > wouldn't have to, at first, learn the mount command as such. > > but we all know that new users eventually get curious ;-) > Unfortunately, this is not always the case :-( --Ben > > > > On 03-Aug-99 James M. Cape wrote: > > > > > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > >> > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > >> > > >> Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > >> icons or the mount applet. > > > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > > > The kinds of yes-no discussions are pointless. > > There are as many tastes and opinions as there are people on earth. > > > > Easy and intuitive is what you are used to! > > > > If you grew up with Unix/Linux you would probably not give the `mount' > > command a second thought. > > And for users who do not have to work with cdroms professionally > > it is surely no problem to `mount' the drive for the `once in a > > month' occasion. Especially when you use a desktop icon or panel > > drive-mount capplet. > > When more than one user shares a cdrom-drive at the same time mounted > > drives are a necessity. > > As long as it is all clearly documented and newbies warned beforehand. > > > > > I personally think that some sort of autofs configurator should be > > > coded, so new users never have to mess with the mount command. > > > > If you are using RH/Mandrake 6.0 open linuxconf and take a look at the > > configuration options of `Access local drive'. > > The only problem again is that no newbie has a clear summary > > of the things he/she can configure and change and where and how to do > > this. > > > > Furthermore these things are basically Linux (or Linux distribution) and > > not Gnome problems. > > Though you can hide the "ugliness" from the user by putting a Gnome > > screen around it. So the question becomes "how much of Linux should we > > hide with Gnome" (or "prettify with Gnome"). And what part do the > > Linux distributions play in this. What part does the linuxconf project > > play in this. > > > > Alexander > > > > ************************************* > > Alexander Volovics > > Dept of Methodology & Statistics > > Maastricht University, Maastricht, NL > > ************************************* > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. > get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost > > ----- > Hey, what's the big deal about going to some building every Sunday? I > mean, isn't God everywhere? > > -- Homer Simpson > Homer the Heretic > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 32465 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:51:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:51:44 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32753 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:51:44 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.31] (helo=lou-ts1-17.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11BmTG-0004WM-00; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:51:42 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:55:12 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: gftp Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey gang, i upgraded gftp at school today and realized that something on my home machine's gftp is broken. bookmarks. at school i have a nice menu with submenus and they are editable. at home i have a pulldown menu that just has a listing like this: Debian Sites Debian Sites Debian Sites General Sites General Sites you get the picture. also i can not edit these bookmarks....i can change the urls and the passwords and such but not the name of the bookmark itself. that would be a nice touch - right click the bookmark and get a properties menu or such. that's all. J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- They don't call me Colonel Homer because I'm some dumb-ass army guy. -- Homer Simpson Colonel Homer From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 3519 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 21:54:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 21:54:02 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00102 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:54:02 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.31] (helo=lou-ts1-17.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11BmVS-0004Zg-00; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 17:53:58 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:57:30 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37A75A2C.1658A088@cabletron.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII take a look at the way AfterStep does it's menus. the global menus are in /usr/share/afterstep/start and all user menus (that overwrite - or add to) the globals are in ~/GNUstep/Library/AfterStep/start at least this is the way it was done in the past. of course, being the only user on my system i just deal with globals. On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Matt Herbert wrote: > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > > UI: > > > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > > > > Why is this impossible? This doesn't seem like it should be that difficult. > First the code would read in the menu's from the system area. Then it > would check the user's home directory, and add any new entries into the > menu tree that were found. Then display the menu. Obviously the user's > settings would have precedence over the system menu's. > > This would allow Joe Average User to open up the menu editor, and change > something about the gnorpm entry. The menu editor would then save a whole > new gnorpm entry in the users home directory (say .gnome/apps/System/gnorpm.desktop), > which would override the settings of the system entry. > > It may also make sense to add a new "Special=delete" entry to the menu > item, so If a user wanted to completely remove gnorpm from their menu, > they would be able to delete it via the menu editor, which would create > a gnorpm.desktop file in the user's home directory, with the special setting, > and thus not show the gnorpm menu entry at all. > > Granted, I don't know C, but I do know perl, and I can picture exactly how > the code would work. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like > it would be a relatively easy change. > > This addition would be very nice. It would allow a user to change their > menu entries to suit their own personal needs, -and- still allow them > to see changes to the system menus. All without having to su to root. > > -Matt > > PS, I'm not picking on gnorpm, I was just using it as an example :) > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- They don't call me Colonel Homer because I'm some dumb-ass army guy. -- Homer Simpson Colonel Homer From paulv@cinternet.net Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 10455 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 22:00:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 22:00:39 -0000 Received: from mail.cinternet.net (root@mail.cinternet.net [206.112.217.12]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA00575 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:00:38 -0400 Received: (from paulv@localhost) by mail.cinternet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA06711 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:10:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:10:35 -0400 From: Paul Visscher To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome Message-ID: <19990803181035.A6614@cinternet.net> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> <37A70F40.A7D17CF1@email.com> <008501beddf5$78640760$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6us In-Reply-To: <008501beddf5$78640760$eceee2c3@aliabdin>; from Ali Abdin on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:16:34AM +0300 Ali Abdin [rafat@kcsnet.org] said: > I disagree - Not everyone has newsgroup access and I have no desire or need > to use DejaNews for it. > And the current set-up with mailing lists seems to be working fine. I wouldn't abandon the mailing list, i'd have a mail to news gateway or some such. The GNU folks do that for their lists, iirc. Something so that all mailing list traffic goes to the newsgroup and all news traffic goes to the mailing lists. There might be problems with spam and stuff, but i'm sure its nothing someone couldn't fix. :-) -- Paul Visscher paulv@cinternet.net Systems Administrator Cinternet, Inc. 513.891.1228 From ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 29657 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 22:19:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 22:19:22 -0000 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (root@perio.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.16.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01901 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:19:07 -0400 Received: from speedy.perio.unlp.edu.ar ([163.10.16.11]) by perio.unlp.edu.ar (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA17235 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:00:16 GMT From: "Sergio A. Kessler" Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <008501beddf5$78640760$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:26:02 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Correo Fácil To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit >> Daniel Weber wrote: >> > >> > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for >> > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail >server >> > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... >> >> Agreed. I'd prefer a lot if gnome-list was a newsgroup instead of a list. >> Maybe someone could set that up? gnome-list _must_ be a ml. an /addition/ of a newsgroup maybe is good. Sergio From jlasslett@akyman.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 22985 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 22:41:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 22:41:16 -0000 Received: from teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com (teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com [139.134.5.173]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA03859 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:41:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by teapot25.domain0.bigpond.com (NTMail 3.02.13) with ESMTP id sa231704 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:39:16 +1000 Received: from DC-57-186.bpb.bigpond.com ([203.40.57.186]) by mail0.bigpond.com (Claudes-Industrial-MailRouter V2.4c 13/49510); 04 Aug 1999 08:39:15 Message-ID: <37A76FA8.68CCF770@akyman.com.au> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:39:37 +1000 From: Jeffrey Lasslett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (Win98; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HARDY.BOEHM@LHSYSTEMS.COM, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re:GNU Hurd References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HARDY.BOEHM@LHSYSTEMS.COM wrote: > Hi! > > What is hurd? > I never heard it before! The Hurd was originally going to be the kernel for the free GNU operating system. Currently Linux is the kernel of most GNU systems. The Hurd is an operating system built around a microkernel called Mach. You can read about the Hurd at the following site: http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html IMHO, having read about the Hurd, I think it's a pity it hasn't been adopted in place of Linux based systems. I think it is a more current, technologically superior system. According to the above mentioned web site, the Hurd does run XFree86. cheers, Jeff From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 25060 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 22:43:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 22:43:25 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04016 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:43:25 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.113] (ip113.ifx.net [206.25.218.113]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id TAA28245; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:40:32 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908032340.TAA28245@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:43:12 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "Daniel Serodio" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Daniel Serodio (dserodio@email.com)'s email of 08/03/99 11:48 said: >Daniel Weber wrote: >> >> I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for >> gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server >> if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... > > Agreed. I'd prefer a lot if gnome-list was a newsgroup instead of a list. >Maybe someone could set that up? Maybe YOU could... there's a perl script out there (STFW) called "list2news" or "mail2news" or something like that, that essentially lets you do exactly this. There's even a Mini-HOWTO on the subject at the Linux Documentation Project if I recall correctly. Go get it and run it, and if you're feeling generous, let everybody else know what the server's address is so anyone else who prefers news to list can get it that way. Alternately, just run it on your own box and keep it to yourself. :) -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 4341 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 22:51:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 22:51:22 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04725 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:51:17 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA31067; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:50:00 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 03 Aug 1999 11:49:59 -0500 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Tue, 3 Aug 1999 00:30:42 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > > Office Suite We are working on it. Check http://www.gnome.org/gw.html -- miguel@gnu.org From Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 7280 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 22:52:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 22:52:42 -0000 Received: from tux.w3.org (veillard@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04842 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:52:42 -0400 Received: (from veillard@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04880; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:52:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:52:35 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: Ben Frantzdale Cc: Daniel Veillard , Miguel de Icaza , "James M. Cape" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. Message-ID: <19990803185235.B4590@w3.org> Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org References: <19990803040439.A13069@w3.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Frantzdale on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:31:56PM -0400 Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C http://www.w3.org/) > > Although it's mostly an E related feedback: > > - Resizing windows by simple click and drag can only be done at the > > bottom corners, this is rather disturbing since all other WM I know > > alllow this on all corners (this could be a setting option problem, > > I'm using the default RH-6.0 setup). > > This is 100% an E theme thing. Get a different theme from e.themes.org > (I thought the default theme for RH6.0 was a windowsy one that could > resize on the sides and top...) Then may I suggest the RedHat guys to ship with a theme allowing to resize on all corners next time ? thanks (and also to whoever fixed/improved gnome-pager !), Daniel -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : Tel: +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, Fax: +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 18517 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 00:17:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 00:17:29 -0000 Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11728 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:17:28 -0400 Received: from fwd01.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.161]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BokJ-0006Lw-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:17:27 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.150]) by fwd01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:17:20 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02228 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:10:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:10:28 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990803211028.B2162@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A6FA87.EC6DC747@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from jack wallen, jr on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 10:38:33AM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 10:38:33AM -0400 +++ jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > here's a bit more fuel for the fire: > > the printer applet really doesn't do anything - couldn't this be > reworked so that it would tell you what is spooled and give the > user the ability to cancel print jobs? i'm not saying use it for > setting up printers but controlling them. > > the rpm package manager grpm is fairly nice but, and this is a system > issue i know, but only root can run it. what good does it do the > new user to have to be su'ing to root all the time when they are > running a desktop machine at home. now i don't mind. in fact i > like the security of it. but a new user, coming from windows > where dinner is just a click away, won't want to have to deal with > these issues. Maybe we should make substituting a user ("going root") easier, provide a graphical (but bullet-proof audited) front-end to it, but no way we should make a tool that will run setuid and by default be able to trash system-wide configuration. On a Unix machine, the user is not the administrator. On many machines, they might be the same *person*, but they are different UIDs and it's important for security to keep them separated. mawa -- When you think of Red Hat, think of Perrier (bottled water). Water is essentially free, or at least very low cost to produce. Red Hat is selling the name, and some service. -- Ed Young From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 18516 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 00:17:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 00:17:29 -0000 Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11727 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:17:28 -0400 Received: from fwd01.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.161]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11BokJ-00041L-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:17:27 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.150]) by fwd01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:17:19 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA02274 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:24:00 +0200 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:24:00 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) Message-ID: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the edge of the screen. This makes the panel less usable. There were no replies to my original point. This is exactly the kind of small improvement the new Gnome UI project is aiming for, so could we maybe discuss this? All I got were replies talking about radically redoing everything, which were pretty useless of course. Could someone of the developers respond as to whether making usage of the pinning effect by extending the launcher buttons to the edge of the screen is desired? I suppose that for persons who know how to code this, it would be a matter of minutes to do a rapid hack on the panel to change the launchers. So, what about a little reaction? Am I that boring? All I'd like to hear from you is basically "We don't care" or "We care". mawa -- I'm continually AMAZED at th'breathtaking effects of WIND EROSION!! From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 9785 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 00:37:50 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13818 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:37:49 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:37:18 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (hil-qbu-ppz-vty41.as.wcom.net [206.175.101.41]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id UAA09638; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:36:15 -0400 (EDT) To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 03 Aug 1999 20:45:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:24:00 +0200" Message-ID: <87zp08pe4s.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > edge of the screen. Personally, I find that pixel useful for bringing up the right click menu. So, which way is best is debatable. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From culln@xtra.co.nz Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 26876 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 01:21:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 01:21:50 -0000 Received: from mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (mda.xtra.co.nz [203.96.92.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA17822 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:21:49 -0400 Received: from saber ([210.55.82.84]) by mta2-rme.xtra.co.nz (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990804012421.PZQM956294.mta2-rme@saber> for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:24:21 +1200 From: Nate Cull To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:16:46 +1200 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <9908041318300A.05343@saber> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On Wed, 04 Aug 1999, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > I know what you mean. The only thing I miss going entirely to linux is NDS. > gconf will take care of that problem. :) Now I'm curious. I wasn't aware there *was* any working, opensource directory even mildly comparable to NDS. What's gconf, and why can't I find it on freshmeat? -- ---------------------------------------------------------- nate cull culln@xtra.co.nz http://members.xoom.com/culln Great Quotes of History: "We hold these rights..." "I have a dream today..." "That's one small step..." "I'm working on a free version of a Minix lookalike..." ---------------------------------------------------------- From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 4959 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 01:31:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 01:31:13 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18616 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:31:13 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA13193 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:31:18 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) Date: 4 Aug 1999 01:31:18 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 16 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933730278 13184 207.175.42.154 (4 Aug 1999 01:31:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 01:31:18 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 3 Aug 1999 20:18:28 -0400, Matthias Warkus wrote: >Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if >panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents >them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the >edge of the screen. > >This makes the panel less usable. (I agree with Jacob Berkeman's reply, but anyways...) I just tried setting the applet padding to zero on my panel, then moving mouse pointer to edge of screen, then clicking. Worked fine for me! -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 7958 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 01:34:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 01:34:23 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18791 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:34:22 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-28.powerisp.com [199.105.137.28]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id SAA12388; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:32:23 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A797C2.2C0C8097@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:30:42 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Warkus CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > edge of the screen. > > This makes the panel less usable. > > There were no replies to my original point. This is exactly the kind > of small improvement the new Gnome UI project is aiming for, so could > we maybe discuss this? All I got were replies talking about radically > redoing everything, which were pretty useless of course. > > Could someone of the developers respond as to whether making usage of > the pinning effect by extending the launcher buttons to the edge of > the screen is desired? > > I suppose that for persons who know how to code this, it would be a > matter of minutes to do a rapid hack on the panel to change the > launchers. So, what about a little reaction? Am I that boring? All I'd > like to hear from you is basically "We don't care" or "We care". > > mawa I have recieved 250+ e-mails regarding GNOME in the past two days, and am constructing a website nearly from scratch to handle all of this in the process, under the ostensible goal of updating the existing website, and then moving it to developer.gnome.org. I will process all requests, add them to the website, and hopefully respond to all suggestions personally. If you don't get a response right away, don't worry, thus far I have only responded to the outlandish or the large scale, and only added the smaller stuff. As for a reaction, yes, I think the idea is a good one, and it will be added to the `panel' section. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 16550 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 01:39:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 01:39:38 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19207 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:39:36 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:39:01 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (hil-qbu-ppz-vty41.as.wcom.net [206.175.101.41]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id VAA10334; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:37:56 -0400 (EDT) To: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 03 Aug 1999 21:47:20 -0400 In-Reply-To: sopwith@redhat.com's message of "4 Aug 1999 01:31:18 GMT" Message-ID: <87wvvcpb9z.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) writes: > (I agree with Jacob Berkeman's reply, but anyways...) Me too :) > I just tried setting the applet padding to zero on my panel, then > moving mouse pointer to edge of screen, then clicking. Worked fine > for me! This did not work for me. The padding seems to only be between applets, and not the border around the panel. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 18361 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 01:40:51 -0000 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19303 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:40:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (sopwith@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21878; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:40:50 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:40:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliot Lee X-Sender: sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com To: Jacob Berkman cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) In-Reply-To: <87wvvcpb9z.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 3 Aug 1999, Jacob Berkman wrote: > > I just tried setting the applet padding to zero on my panel, then > > moving mouse pointer to edge of screen, then clicking. Worked fine > > for me! > > This did not work for me. The padding seems to only be between applets, > and not the border around the panel. What window manager are you using? Maybe it's a window manager-specific issue as to what border gets shown. icewm, -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From tim@maths.tcd.ie Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 31063 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 01:53:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 01:53:04 -0000 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA19717 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:53:03 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 4 Aug 1999 02:53:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:53:01 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade Message-ID: <19990804025301.B61053@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> <19990802204202.D38496@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <006301beddf3$fadc8520$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <006301beddf3$fadc8520$eceee2c3@aliabdin>; from Ali Abdin on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:05:53AM +0300 Sender: tim@maths.tcd.ie On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:05:53AM +0300, Ali Abdin wrote: > The installation of GNOME is very very easy and not as complicated as > eveeryone makes it out to be. Thank you for your posting describing the different GNOME modules, which I found very useful. It was precisely the kind of document which I feel should accompany notice of GNOME upgrades. Several people have written to me, accusing me of attacking GNOME. On the contrary, I like GNOME very much, and would like to see it more widely used. That is why I drew attention to weaknesses in the documentation, which I suspect must put off many potential users. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 27167 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 02:20:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 02:20:28 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA20304 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:20:28 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:20:17 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (chi-tgn-gvk-vty52.as.wcom.net [216.192.147.52]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id WAA10817; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:19:55 -0400 (EDT) To: Elliot Lee Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: From: Jacob Berkman Date: 03 Aug 1999 22:29:18 -0400 In-Reply-To: Elliot Lee's message of "Tue, 3 Aug 1999 21:40:50 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: <87so60p9c1.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" Elliot Lee writes: > > This did not work for me. The padding seems to only be between applets, > > and not the border around the panel. > > What window manager are you using? Maybe it's a window manager-specific > issue as to what border gets shown. > > icewm, Tried with Blackbox and twm; neither work. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 13494 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 02:32:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 02:32:20 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA21124 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:31:47 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.233]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 57 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:24:04 +0300 Message-ID: <010c01bede21$a55bdaa0$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: References: <37A5E038.DA0DBC81@pgs.com> <19990802204202.D38496@boole.maths.tcd.ie> <006301beddf3$fadc8520$eceee2c3@aliabdin> <19990804025301.B61053@boole.maths.tcd.ie> Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:32:46 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Your welcome :) Note - Since most GNOME apps are binary compatible I have absolutely /NO/ problems doing an RPM -Uvh .rpm - I can mix and match what I feel like - only problem is I have to update a devel package when I updated the binaries. If you do then it is probably a problem on /YOUR/ end ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy Murphy To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 4:53 AM Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:05:53AM +0300, Ali Abdin wrote: > > > The installation of GNOME is very very easy and not as complicated as > > eveeryone makes it out to be. > > Thank you for your posting describing the different GNOME modules, > which I found very useful. > It was precisely the kind of document > which I feel should accompany notice of GNOME upgrades. > > Several people have written to me, > accusing me of attacking GNOME. > On the contrary, I like GNOME very much, > and would like to see it more widely used. > That is why I drew attention to weaknesses in the documentation, > which I suspect must put off many potential users. > > -- > Timothy Murphy > e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie > tel: +353-1-2842366 > s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From epg@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 26843 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 03:15:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 03:15:12 -0000 Received: from dethstar.ath.cx (root@port04.oxf.netdoor.com [208.148.218.68]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA23762 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:15:11 -0400 Received: by dethstar.ath.cx via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:11:23 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:11:23 -0500 From: "Eric Gillespie, Jr." To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Password Capplet? Message-ID: <19990803221123.A12214@dethstar> Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i I'm using gnome-core 1.0.5, and I see that there is no capplet for changing your password. If there isn't one in later versions, and no one's working on one, I can do it. -- Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping." --Friedrich Nietzsche From matt@lickey.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 17386 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 03:30:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 03:30:03 -0000 Received: from burt.lickey.com (adsl-216-102-197-223.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [216.102.197.223]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id XAA24947 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:30:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 7509 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from mistera.lickey.com (mail@192.168.1.101) by burt.lickey.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 03:30:18 -0000 Received: from matt by mistera.lickey.com with local (Exim 3.02 #1 (Debian)) id 11Brke-0000Bi-00; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:30:00 -0700 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 20:30:00 -0700 From: Matt Armstrong To: rde@webtrak.co.uk, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Basic Gnome/Enlightenment help Message-ID: <19990803203000.D311@mistera.lickey.com> Mail-Followup-To: rde@webtrak.co.uk, gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908031341.OAA12357@titan.webtrak.co.uk> <199908031814.OAA19144@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908031814.OAA19144@guanabana.labs.redhat.com>; from Federico Mena Quintero on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 02:14:09PM -0400 On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 02:14:09PM -0400, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > > 2. If I create a new launcher icon on the desktop (for > > emacs!), I find that when the application starts the current > > directory is ~/.gnome-desktop/. This is a bit annoying with > > emacs - I'd like it to start in my home directory. Is there > > any way to specify the initial directory? > > The reason it works like this is so that if you create files > from within the application you run, they will appear in your > desktop afterwards. I understand that this is not always be > the best policy. > > As a semi-bad hack, you may want to create a little shell > script that switches to the directory you want and then runs > Emacs. Put the script in your ~/.gnome-desktop. You can also just make the command you run "cd $HOME && emacs" in the launcher's properties. -- matt - http://www.lickey.com From mhall@riverside.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 16101 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 05:41:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 05:41:44 -0000 Received: from ukiah.riverside.org (postfix@ukiah.riverside.org [199.217.72.204]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA01242 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:41:42 -0400 Received: by ukiah.riverside.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id AF15747C3E; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:41:37 -0700 From: Michael Hall To: GNOME-List Subject: gnome-core & CVS Message-ID: <19990803224137.A21854@riverside.org> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME-List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i I've been using CVS for awhile and guess I just never noticed but 'configure.in' from gnome-core has this: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(gnome-core, 1.0.5) and I also get this: $ panel -V Gnome panel 1.0.5 This is from CVS just a few minutes ago, I thought gnome-core was at 1.0.9, or do you need a special tag to get it ? My source tree doesn't have all the applets anymore since they've been moved to gnome-applets so I assume its the latest version and the version shown in 'configure.in' is just not correct ? My gnome-libs shows 1.0.12 and all the other modules seem to show the latest versions in 'configure.in' except gnome-core. Not really a big deal just has me a little confused :-) PS: Also looking around on 'bonzai' I saw empty 'capplets' and 'control-center' directories in gnome-core, is the control-center module going to be moved into gnome-core ? -- It's the best thing since professional golfers on 'ludes. -- Rick Obidiah Mike Hall , ICQ: #37292579, http://www.riverside.org System Administrator (MH993) (*nix, OS/2 certified - C, Perl, CGI hacker) From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 3741 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 06:40:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 06:40:08 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (root@[132.248.29.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA07840; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:40:07 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA15743; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:30 -0500 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:20:30 -0500 Message-Id: <199908040020.TAA15743@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: rms@gnu.org CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-list-announce@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@nuclecu.unam.mx, ten@gnu.org, sopwith@redhat.com In-reply-to: <199908032336.TAA26601@psilocin.gnu.org> (message from Richard Stallman on Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:36:39 -0400) Subject: Re: Second GNOME aniversary. X-Windows: The defacto substandard. References: <199908030629.BAA07282@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <199908032336.TAA26601@psilocin.gnu.org> > I think there is going to be some sort of party on Aug 10 or 11. > Tim knows more about it. Maybe it could be used for this purpose too. Sounds like a good plan to me. Miguel. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 3064 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 07:01:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 07:01:57 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA08544; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 03:01:56 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-60.powerisp.com [199.105.137.60]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id XAA27490; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:59:55 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A7E488.CBA5BC51@jcinteractive.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:58:16 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME Announce List , GNOME List , GUI List Subject: GNOME User Interface Improvement Project Update Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have updated the GNOME UI Improvement Project website [http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/], and gotten enough of a structure done to start seriously adding suggestions and wishes once they have been fleshed out. To those who have contacted me about volunteering some time, I do care about your volunteerism, I just have not had the time to look into that end of things yet. I will be getting back to you either tomorrow or the day after. Thank you all. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:18 2000 Received: (qmail 23298 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 09:14:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 09:14:11 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA13680 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:14:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id RAA28479; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:21:58 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:21:58 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Michael Hall cc: GNOME-List Subject: Re: gnome-core & CVS In-Reply-To: <19990803224137.A21854@riverside.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Are you using the stable or development branch of gnome-core? If you are using the head branch (development), it is quite likely that no one has updated the version number in a while. If you have the stable branch, all the applets should still be in gnome-core. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Michael Hall wrote: > > I've been using CVS for awhile and guess I just never noticed but > 'configure.in' from gnome-core has this: > > AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(gnome-core, 1.0.5) > > and I also get this: > > $ panel -V > Gnome panel 1.0.5 > > This is from CVS just a few minutes ago, I thought gnome-core was at > 1.0.9, or do you need a special tag to get it ? My source tree doesn't > have all the applets anymore since they've been moved to gnome-applets > so I assume its the latest version and the version shown in 'configure.in' > is just not correct ? > My gnome-libs shows 1.0.12 and all the other modules seem to show the > latest versions in 'configure.in' except gnome-core. Not really a big > deal just has me a little confused :-) > > PS: Also looking around on 'bonzai' I saw empty 'capplets' and > 'control-center' directories in gnome-core, is the control-center > module going to be moved into gnome-core ? > > -- > It's the best thing since professional golfers on 'ludes. > -- Rick Obidiah > > Mike Hall , ICQ: #37292579, http://www.riverside.org > System Administrator (MH993) (*nix, OS/2 certified - C, Perl, CGI hacker) > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From johne@bellatlantic.net Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 5212 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 09:42:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 09:42:54 -0000 Received: from flyswatter.localmachine (client-151-197-126-16.bellatlantic.net [151.197.126.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA15299 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:42:53 -0400 Received: from flyswatter.localmachine (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flyswatter.localmachine (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA01592; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:41:25 -0400 From: John Ellis To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:36:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Jacob Berkman MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99080405412400.01583@flyswatter.localmachine> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: Jacob Berkman wrote: >> > This did not work for me. The padding seems to only be between applets, >> > and not the border around the panel. >> >> What window manager are you using? Maybe it's a window manager-specific >> issue as to what border gets shown. >> >> icewm, > >Tried with Blackbox and twm; neither work. Under icewm, I notice the default panel has a border. But if I set the background to a pixmap, the border disappears, moving the buttons to the edge of the desktop. Perhaps this is why people are seeing different things? -John -- John Ellis http://gqview.netpedia.net From mkp@socsci.auc.dk Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 26875 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:10:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:10:25 -0000 Received: from bentley.socsci.auc.dk (exim@bentley.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA16958 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:10:24 -0400 Received: from jaguar.socsci.auc.dk ([130.225.60.49] ident=root) by bentley.socsci.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11By06-00083O-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:10:22 +0200 Received: (from mkp@localhost) by jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (8.9.3/8.8.8) id MAA01032; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:10:21 +0200 Sender: mkp@socsci.auc.dk To: zutroy@mad.scientist.com Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GDMgreeter configuration References: <199908031823.OAA14432@mail.redhat.com> Organization: IC1&2, Aalborg University From: Martin Kasper Petersen Date: 04 Aug 1999 12:10:21 +0200 In-Reply-To: "Martin Lepage"'s message of "Tue, 3 Aug 1999 14:24:05 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>> "Martin" == Martin Lepage writes: Martin> I'm using GDM (I have RedHat 6.0) and I just got around to Martin> configuring it. So far, I've managed to put a nice pretty Martin> picture in the background :) but gdmgreeter is smack in the Martin> middle of the picture. That's a problem. I've seen Martin> configuration pages for xdm which seemed to indicate that you Martin> could change the dimension of its login window. Can I do the Martin> same with gdmgreeter? Nope, but people keep bugging me about it so I'll add it to gdm2. -- Martin Kasper Petersen BOFH, IC1&2, Aalborg University, DK mailto:mkp@SunSITE.auc.dk http://SunSITE.auc.dk/~mkp/ From mkp@socsci.auc.dk Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 28320 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:11:40 -0000 Received: from bentley.socsci.auc.dk (exim@bentley.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA17072 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:11:38 -0400 Received: from jaguar.socsci.auc.dk ([130.225.60.49] ident=root) by bentley.socsci.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11By1J-00083c-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:11:37 +0200 Received: (from mkp@localhost) by jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (8.9.3/8.8.8) id MAA01036; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:11:37 +0200 Sender: mkp@socsci.auc.dk To: Jamin Philip Gray Cc: gnome mailing list Subject: Re: help adding a session to gdm References: Organization: IC1&2, Aalborg University From: Martin Kasper Petersen Date: 04 Aug 1999 12:11:37 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jamin Philip Gray's message of "Tue, 3 Aug 1999 15:02:27 -0500 (CDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>> "Jamin" == Jamin Philip Gray writes: Jamin> I just downloaded and compiled the CVS version of Jamin> enlightenment. What I want to do is test it out while keeping Jamin> the stable version of enlightenment as my default system-wide Jamin> sesion for gdm. I've gotten past the configure and make stages Jamin> of the install of enlightenment (CVS). Can I set up another Jamin> session for gdm that will exec gnome-session and use the CVS Jamin> version of enlightenment instead of the stable one? Just put a suitable session script in /etc/gdm/Sessions/ -- Martin Kasper Petersen BOFH, IC1&2, Aalborg University, DK mailto:mkp@SunSITE.auc.dk http://SunSITE.auc.dk/~mkp/ From andreas@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 28414 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:51:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:51:37 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (mout00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.69]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA19689 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:51:36 -0400 Received: from [195.20.224.75] (helo=mrelay00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Bydv-0007x9-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:51:31 +0200 Received: from [62.157.55.206] (helo=ps.uni-sb.de) by mrelay00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Byds-0002T0-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:51:28 +0200 Sender: andreas@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A81B5C.8330D347@ps.uni-sb.de> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:52:12 +0200 From: Andreas Simon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-ac11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Where are the applets? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Applets are vanishing from CVS. As I re-checkout gnome-core most of the applets subdirectories were empty. Why? Where can I download Multiload and the Mixer applets? --Andreas From andreas@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 1330 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 10:55:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 10:55:29 -0000 Received: from mout00.kundenserver.de (mout00.kundenserver.de [195.20.224.69]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA19976 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 06:55:28 -0400 Received: from [195.20.224.75] (helo=mrelay00.kundenserver.de) by mout00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Byhd-0008Pa-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:55:21 +0200 Received: from [62.157.55.209] (helo=ps.uni-sb.de) by mrelay00.kundenserver.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ByhT-0002k8-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:55:17 +0200 Sender: andreas@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A81C33.52333B5C@ps.uni-sb.de> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:55:47 +0200 From: Andreas Simon X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-ac11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where are the applets? References: <37A81B5C.8330D347@ps.uni-sb.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Andreas Simon wrote: > > Applets are vanishing from CVS. > As I re-checkout gnome-core most of the > applets subdirectories were empty. > > Why? > > Where can I download Multiload and the Mixer > applets? Ups! Just found them in gnome-applets. *g* From dra@steorr.planets Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 25353 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 11:34:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 11:34:18 -0000 Received: from steorr.planets (u124.toward.com [206.55.10.124]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA22595 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:34:16 -0400 Received: from toward.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by steorr.planets (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA00777 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:37:44 -0400 Sender: dra@steorr.planets Message-ID: <37A823F2.E1F968C0@toward.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:28:50 -0400 From: drarn X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > [simpler] mount/unmout of removable media >Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop >icons or the mount applet. I want it a lot easier. I use `mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ims' to mount my ls120 disks. I could have formatted disks as hdc, hdc1, hdc2, hdc3, hdc4 and/or used various filesystems. The drive and the linux removable IDE drive support have always worked great. I do not have the faintest idea how to add my preferred method (linux filesystem on hdc1) to the mount applet, or the original formatting of the disks (win/dos [on hdc4?]), or to mount it as an IDE 1.44 floppy, or any other method either. As a newbie, it never occurred to me to use a desktop icon and write a script. Writing a script which toggles is tricky, however. The usernet applet doesn't check state well enough, for example. Thanks for a very helpful hint though! I will write six icon/scripts:-) No sarcasm is meant. I'll really be better off to do it. >- Printer control in Control Center >Be more specific. There is no printer control in my Control Center. I can choose one printer, or not choose it, and that's it. I would like printer object/icons on my desktop, one that prints on one page and another that prints on two and maybe one that prints two copies, etc., so I can drag the appropriate documents to them. What better place to set this up than the control center? - Dragging the panel with the center button is really neat, but not *nearly* as neat as dragging it with the left mouse button would be. My left mouse button does nothing when I try to drag the panel with it. That makes no sense. It would be better to use the center button for double clicking, among other things, and the right button for *all* menus, and eliminate *all* use of the center button for menu access. A desperate but effective method would be to nest "center button action" on all right button menus. Then no support for two button mice would be necessary, ever. I have never seen a pie menu but already I love it:-) - Peace, understanding, health and happiness to all beings! ((((((( g__n__u f_o_r_c_e ))))))) lily_lily__lily MN[-------------------->mm@ _lilypond__ dave No Va USA David Raleigh Arnold drarn@toward.com From srtxg@ping.be Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 30082 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 11:47:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 11:47:45 -0000 Received: from chekov.Belgium.EU.net (chekov.belgium.eu.net [193.74.208.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23143 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:47:44 -0400 Received: from (u195-95-23-64.pop-charleroi1.planetinternet.be [195.95.23.64]) by chekov.Belgium.EU.net with ESMTP id NAA10719 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:47:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from srtxg@localhost) by chanae.alphanet.ch (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA02072 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:44:09 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:44:09 +0200 From: Pablo Saratxaga To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-core & CVS Message-ID: <19990804134409.D2025@chanae.alphanet.ch> References: <19990803224137.A21854@riverside.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: ; from James Henstridge on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:21:37PM +0800 Kaixo ! On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:21:37PM +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > Are you using the stable or development branch of gnome-core? If you are > using the head branch (development), it is quite likely that no one has > updated the version number in a while. > > I've been using CVS for awhile and guess I just never noticed but > > 'configure.in' from gnome-core has this: > > > > AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(gnome-core, 1.0.5) Ah... And how do you do to get by CVS the stable branch ? I would want to integrate into the stable branch all the new language stuff I (and others) have been sending to gnome-core. Plus some minor source patches that improve i18n support. Thanks. -- Ŕ bientôt, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 From bobo@bspc.sk Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 338 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 11:52:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 11:52:56 -0000 Received: from proxy.bsp.sk (mail.bsp.sk [195.80.173.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA23396 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:52:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 14810 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 11:52:47 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO bobo.bspc.sk) (192.168.3.2) by mail.bsp.sk with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 11:52:47 -0000 Received: (from bobo@localhost) by bobo.bspc.sk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA10230; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:52:16 +0200 From: Bobo Rajec Message-Id: <199908041152.NAA10230@bobo.bspc.sk> Subject: Re: GDMgreeter configuration To: mkp@socsci.auc.dk (Martin Kasper Petersen) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:52:13 +0200 (CEST) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: from "Martin Kasper Petersen" at Aug 4, 99 12:10:21 pm Content-Type: text Thus spake Martin Kasper Petersen: > Nope, but people keep bugging me about it so I'll add it to gdm2. While we're at it: how do I configure gdmchooser ? What I really liked about xdm was the chooser part - you click on a machine and get the login screen. regards, bobo From berrs@Update.UU.SE Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 2911 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 11:57:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 11:57:03 -0000 Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (4677@Zeke.Update.UU.SE [130.238.11.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA23567 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:57:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (berrs@localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA02757 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:56:59 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:56:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Per Erik Stendahl To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Filetype identification in gmc Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. It seems to me (and I always reserve the right to be wrong) that gmc determines the type of a file solely on the extension it has. I don't like this, it is not powerful enough and it seems like just-another-MSDOS-ripoff. I think that filetype identification should be able to use at least filename patterns (like extensions), locations and file contents. Take for instance the .doc extension. Is it a text document? Is it an MS Word document? Is it an airplane? I don't know exactly how the 'file' command determines the type of a file, maybe we could use that. Cheers. -- Per Erik Stendahl From eldamitri@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 20539 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:11:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:11:27 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (f156.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA24520 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:11:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 39782 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 12:10:54 -0000 Message-ID: <19990804121054.39781.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.252.61.132 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 05:10:54 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.252.61.132] From: "Scott Haug" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 07:10:54 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed AFAIK (and I reserve the same right that you do), the 'file' command uses bit patterns at predefined offsets to determine file types, i.e. it opens the file and reads a few bytes. To do this in gmc would mean opening and reading *lots* of files, and could put a strain on performance due to disk access. Feel free to rebuke me if someone has a better and/or more accurate description. Thanks, -Scott >From: Per Erik Stendahl >To: gnome-list@gnome.org >Subject: Filetype identification in gmc >Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:56:56 +0200 (MET DST) > > >Hi. > >It seems to me (and I always reserve the right to be wrong) that >gmc determines the type of a file solely on the extension it has. >I don't like this, it is not powerful enough and it seems like >just-another-MSDOS-ripoff. I think that filetype identification >should be able to use at least filename patterns (like extensions), >locations and file contents. Take for instance the .doc extension. >Is it a text document? Is it an MS Word document? Is it an airplane? > >I don't know exactly how the 'file' command determines the type of >a file, maybe we could use that. > >Cheers. > >-- >Per Erik Stendahl > > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From Moredhel@earthling.net Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 23169 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:15:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:15:18 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24721 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:15:17 -0400 Received: from UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.85.58]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id FAA02146 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:15:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cby-wts by UK.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk205) id NAA27262; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:15:14 +0100 Received: from moredhel by cby-wts (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-se.fkk202) id NAA10172; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:15:13 +0100 Message-Id: <199908041215.NAA10172@cby-wts> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:11:54 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark R. Bowyer" Reply-To: "Mark R. Bowyer" Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: YScSRf2YbGrDasraW/AtbA== >From: "Scott Haug" >AFAIK (and I reserve the same right that you do), the 'file' command uses >bit patterns at predefined offsets to determine file types, i.e. it opens >the file and reads a few bytes. To do this in gmc would mean opening and >reading *lots* of files, and could put a strain on performance due to disk >access. Yup, that's the story I got a few months back when I complained about this. Mostly it doesn't matter too much. But since Perl libraries and X Pixmaps both use *.pm, it *can* have some funny results =OZ Ta, -------My opinion - Not sane, intelligent or necessarily useful------- o o mailto:Moredhel@earthling.net /v\ark R. Bowyer. http://i.am/Moredhel mailto:Mark.Bowyer@UK.Sun.COM `-' "Everything is true, for a given value of 'true'" - PTerry From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 25309 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:16:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:16:34 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA24810 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:16:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA29244; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:24:24 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:24:24 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Pablo Saratxaga cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-core & CVS In-Reply-To: <19990804134409.D2025@chanae.alphanet.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE The following should work: cd gnome-core cvs -z3 update -r gnome-core-1-0 -Pd . If you want to switch back to the head branch, use: cvs -z3 update -APd . James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Pablo Saratxaga wrote: > Kaixo ! >=20 > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:21:37PM +0800, James Henstridge wrote: >=20 > > Are you using the stable or development branch of gnome-core? If you a= re > > using the head branch (development), it is quite likely that no one has > > updated the version number in a while. > =20 > > > I've been using CVS for awhile and guess I just never noticed but > > > 'configure.in' from gnome-core has this: > > >=20 > > > AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(gnome-core, 1.0.5) >=20 > Ah... >=20 > And how do you do to get by CVS the stable branch ? >=20 > I would want to integrate into the stable branch all the new language > stuff I (and others) have been sending to gnome-core. > Plus some minor source patches that improve i18n support. >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > --=20 > =C0 bient=F4t, > Pablo Saratxaga >=20 > http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/=09=09PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 1537 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:33:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:33:06 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25700 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:33:06 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22012 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:38:49 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:38:49 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc In-Reply-To: <199908041215.NAA10172@cby-wts> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: > Yup, that's the story I got a few months back when I complained about this. > Mostly it doesn't matter too much. But since Perl libraries and X Pixmaps both > use *.pm, it *can* have some funny results =OZ gnome-libs provides functions to determine the mime type both from file extension and magic numbers. Perhaps gmc could be modified to use magic numbers if file extensions are ambiguous. hmm. if i remember tonight maybe I'll give it a look. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net in-no-va-tion, n. 1. extending or modifying existing standards in undocumented ways. 2. creating new, undocumented standards. --de-com-mod-it-ize, v. From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 6379 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:38:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:38:42 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26216 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:38:41 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22027 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:22 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:22 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome In-Reply-To: <008501beddf5$78640760$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Ali Abdin wrote: > I disagree - Not everyone has newsgroup access and I have no desire or need > to use DejaNews for it. > And the current set-up with mailing lists seems to be working fine. Why can't we have both? Perhaps not even connected at all. Sure that means we need enough people who can answer questions and prefer the newsgroup to make up for all those who ask questions and prefer the newsgroups, but at least it will make them all happy. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 12679 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:44:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:44:50 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26591 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:49 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19361 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:49 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA16462 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:44:48 -0400 Message-Id: <199908041244.IAA16462@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-reply-to: Your message of "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 21:10:28 +0200." <19990803211028.B2162@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:44:47 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Matthias Warkus writes: >Maybe we should make substituting a user ("going root") easier, >provide a graphical (but bullet-proof audited) front-end to it, but We've got that in Red Hat Linux. Anyone who wants to is welcome to use it -- they just need to have PAM, which not everyone does... What we have is a NON-setuid wrapper that handles the gui, that calls a setuid wrapper which does the authentication, and then runs the underlying program. In 6.0 it isn't used to start graphical programs, but that's trivial to change, because we have pam_xauth which allows us to forward xauth cookies to the root process so that it can display even when xauth is in effect. pam_xauth isn't a part of the current pam release, but it will be soon, and in the meantime, I've announced its availabiliy on pam-list and will give a copy to anyone who wants it. michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 19599 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 12:52:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 12:52:15 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26975 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:52:14 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22045 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:57:58 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:57:58 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME upgrade In-Reply-To: <006301beddf3$fadc8520$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Ali Abdin wrote: > gnome-libs - equivelant to kdelibs - no applications, depends on ORBit > (except for imlib I believe) the base These are all the dependencies of gnome-libs if you are RPMing it on a system with a good foundation of gnu stuff. However try compiling on an older system, or anything non-linux or bsd, I think you'll find the dependency list grows. I personally have no problems, but then again I am working on mostly RH 5.2 and 6.0 machines. But I get lots of emails from people with other systems, who want to install my software, but need to install gnome-libs first and are having problems. Are there guides for getting gnome up and running on non-rpm and non-gnu systems? It would be nice if I could point these people someplace and not try and figure things out over email. The stuff at gnome.org/start/gnometar is ok, but not the greatest. What would be helpful (at least to me) would be some guides to getting _just_ gnome-libs installed. While the many package system may have lots of advantages over a single package install, the fact is, is it still scares away people. If they could get gnome-libs installed, adn then get hooked on all of the great gnome apps, i think you would find you would have more converts. just some thoughts. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net Spice World does not contain a final, bloody shootout involving the Girls, much to my dismay. -Paul Tatara (CNN) From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 14035 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 13:29:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 13:29:05 -0000 Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29296 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:29:02 -0400 Received: from fwd05.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.165]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11C16L-00030s-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:01 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.105]) by fwd05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:28:38 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA04562 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:20:00 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:19:59 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990804021959.B4505@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <37A75A2C.1658A088@cabletron.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37A75A2C.1658A088@cabletron.com>; from Matt Herbert on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:07:56PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:07:56PM -0400 +++ Matt Herbert e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > > UI: > > > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > > > > Why is this impossible? This doesn't seem like it should be that difficult. > First the code would read in the menu's from the system area. Then it > would check the user's home directory, and add any new entries into the > menu tree that were found. Then display the menu. Obviously the user's > settings would have precedence over the system menu's. But isn't this what we've already got if you display the user menus and the system menus together (this is configurable)? > This would allow Joe Average User to open up the menu editor, and change > something about the gnorpm entry. The menu editor would then save a whole > new gnorpm entry in the users home directory (say .gnome/apps/System/gnorpm.desktop), > which would override the settings of the system entry. What's the point? Anyway, if the system administrator changes the position of the gnorpm binary or removes it altogether, what happens to all the entries pointing into empty space now? > It may also make sense to add a new "Special=delete" entry to the menu > item, so If a user wanted to completely remove gnorpm from their menu, > they would be able to delete it via the menu editor, which would create > a gnorpm.desktop file in the user's home directory, with the special setting, > and thus not show the gnorpm menu entry at all. > > Granted, I don't know C, but I do know perl, and I can picture exactly how > the code would work. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like > it would be a relatively easy change. > > This addition would be very nice. It would allow a user to change their > menu entries to suit their own personal needs, -and- still allow them > to see changes to the system menus. All without having to su to root. All fine and dandy, but I think there are more important issues than this perennial topic of discussion on this list. It's OK the way it is. Even what you mention is but a fine tweak with both advantages and disadvantages. mawa -- Teaticket, Massachusetts | Tightwad, Missouri | Hot Coffee, Sleepy Eye, Minnesota | Peculiar, Missouri | Mississippi Dinkytown, Minnesota | Jerk Tail, Missouri | -- U.S. placenames From mkp@socsci.auc.dk Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 14206 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 13:29:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 13:29:13 -0000 Received: from bentley.socsci.auc.dk (exim@bentley.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29313 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:29:12 -0400 Received: from jaguar.socsci.auc.dk ([130.225.60.49] ident=root) by bentley.socsci.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11C16T-0000ZM-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:09 +0200 Received: (from mkp@localhost) by jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (8.9.3/8.8.8) id PAA01109; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:29:09 +0200 Sender: mkp@socsci.auc.dk To: Bobo Rajec Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GDMgreeter configuration References: <199908041152.NAA10230@bobo.bspc.sk> Organization: IC1&2, Aalborg University From: Martin Kasper Petersen Date: 04 Aug 1999 15:29:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: Bobo Rajec's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:52:13 +0200 (CEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >>>>> "Bobo" == Bobo Rajec writes: Bobo> While we're at it: how do I configure gdmchooser ? What I really Bobo> liked about xdm was the chooser part - you click on a machine Bobo> and get the login screen. The chooser implementation in gdm2 is now complete. I have a few other nitpicks to sort out before committing, though. Expect a gdm2 prerelease within a week. -- Martin Kasper Petersen BOFH, IC1&2, Aalborg University, DK mailto:mkp@SunSITE.auc.dk http://SunSITE.auc.dk/~mkp/ From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 22653 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 13:36:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 13:36:00 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29886 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:35:59 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.149] (helo=lou-ts3-43.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11C1Cw-0003Dg-00; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 09:35:51 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:39:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990804021959.B4505@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > All fine and dandy, but I think there are more important issues than > this perennial topic of discussion on this list. It's OK the way it > is. Even what you mention is but a fine tweak with both advantages and > disadvantages. but isn't this type of discussion how things like Gnome are improved? this discussion has spawned some farily brilliant ideas if i may say so (not from my end unfortunately ;-0 ). J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- This is the greatest thrill of my life! I'm king of the world! Wooo, wooo! Wooo, wooo! -- Homer Simpson Bart The Daredevil From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 14146 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 13:54:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 13:54:29 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA31692 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:54:28 -0400 Message-ID: <51FE6B7D.36290AD7@ntb.ch> Date: Sun, 04 Aug 2013 16:55:57 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Editing mime-type list? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all I got a question regarding mime-types of GNOME. How can I add mime-types by my self? The reason for this (perhaps silly) question is, that I am working with Lyx which creates *.lyx files. I can not find that extension in the mime-type list. I whould like to open automatically Lyx when double clicking in gmc on such a file. Thanks for any help Hanspeter From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 30456 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 14:14:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:14:44 -0000 Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00782 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:14:43 -0400 Received: from fwd06.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.166]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11C1oU-0002Tm-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:14:38 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.84]) by fwd06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:14:28 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00522 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:42:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:42:03 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc Message-ID: <19990804154203.A513@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Per Erik Stendahl on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:56:56PM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:56:56PM +0200 +++ Per Erik Stendahl e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Hi. > > It seems to me (and I always reserve the right to be wrong) that > gmc determines the type of a file solely on the extension it has. > I don't like this, it is not powerful enough and it seems like > just-another-MSDOS-ripoff. I think that filetype identification > should be able to use at least filename patterns (like extensions), > locations and file contents. Take for instance the .doc extension. > Is it a text document? Is it an MS Word document? Is it an airplane? > > I don't know exactly how the 'file' command determines the type of > a file, maybe we could use that. The problem here is that it doesn't scale, if you've got a directory with 10,000 files, you need to do 10,000 calls to file, which spawns 10,000 processes one after another and does 10,000 open() calls. Over a network, this could take hours. mawa -- They're expending enough energy just taking in oxygen on a daily basis, you think they have any synaptic activity left over to devote to Intelligent Thought? -- Synth F. Oberheim From Moredhel@earthling.net Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 5460 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 14:23:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:23:23 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01459 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:23:23 -0400 Received: from UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.85.58]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA08141 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:23:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cby-wts by UK.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk205) id PAA06001; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:23:20 +0100 Received: from moredhel by cby-wts (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-se.fkk202) id PAA27309; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:23:20 +0100 Message-Id: <199908041423.PAA27309@cby-wts> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:20:01 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark R. Bowyer" Reply-To: "Mark R. Bowyer" Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: 0eZ8bL+Fntrm+2tNcumC2g== >From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) >The problem here is that it doesn't scale, if you've got a directory >with 10,000 files, you need to do 10,000 calls to file, which spawns >10,000 processes one after another and does 10,000 open() calls. > >Over a network, this could take hours. This isn't a very good arguement. Why can't it just do a single "file *" in each directory, and then parse the output? Make sure you don't over-run any buffers (in your 10,000 file case) but you get 1 call to file, spawning 1 process, which returns quite quick, even over a network, scaled by the number of files - not hugely longer than what we have now. And it uses a system resource, rather than reinventing the wheel, and making it triangular, as we have now. Note that, at least on Solaris, you have options to (a) use your own magic file (so users can extend the list without needing root access) and (b) give it a list of files, for file selections and in case the "*" option isn't quite right. Have fun, -------My opinion - Not sane, intelligent or necessarily useful------- o o mailto:Moredhel@earthling.net /v\ark R. Bowyer. http://i.am/Moredhel mailto:Mark.Bowyer@UK.Sun.COM `-' "Everything is true, for a given value of 'true'" - PTerry From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 7757 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 14:27:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:27:00 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01674 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:27:00 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.113] (ip113.ifx.net [206.25.218.113]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA05393; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:24:08 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908041524.LAA05393@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:26:51 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "drarn" , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" drarn (drarn@toward.com)'s email of 08/04/99 07:28 said: >> [simpler] mount/unmout of removable media > >>Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop >>icons or the mount applet. > >I want it a lot easier. I use `mount /dev/hdc1 /mnt/ims' to mount my >ls120 disks. I could have formatted disks as hdc, hdc1, hdc2, hdc3, hdc4 >and/or used various filesystems. The drive and the linux removable IDE >drive support have always worked great. I do not have the faintest idea >how to add my preferred method (linux filesystem on hdc1) to the mount >applet, or the original formatting of the disks (win/dos [on hdc4?]), or >to mount it as an IDE 1.44 floppy, or any other >method either. As a newbie, it never occurred to me to use a desktop >icon and write a script. Writing a script which toggles is tricky, >however. >The usernet applet doesn't check state well enough, for example. Thanks >for a very helpful hint though! I will write six icon/scripts:-) No >sarcasm is meant. I'll really be better off to do it. If you need to write six scripts to mount and unmount devices, you are missing something. First of all: GNOME is not responsible for mounting and unmounting filesystems. This is done at kernel level, and the tools exist in ANY user environment to mount and unmout the hard way, the easy way, or the easiest way. It doesn't matter how many layers of abstraction you throw on top of the filesystem mounting mechanism, it works exactly the same each time (as it should) and is accessible equally from within any "environment" or GUI or even completely without a GUI (as it should be). It works like this: if a filesystem is not mentioned in /etc/fstab, you have to mount it with a longhand command that tells where the hardware is located, what type of filesystem is on the hardware, and where on the existing tree you would like to see it mounted. If a filesystem IS mentioned in /etc/fstab, then the mount command already knows where the hardware is, and what filesystem that hardware will contain, and where you ordinarily like to see it placed on the directory tree. All you have to do is specify which device it is you want mounted, and the rest will be read automatically and dealt with accordingly. The easiest way, however, is simply to run an automount daemon (which I don't do, so I can't vouch for it, but I know people who use a program called "amd" with great success) and when you try to access a directory which ordinarily contains a mounted filesystem, it'll mount the filesystem automatically. GNOME's job, then, is simply to pass the user information on to the underlying filesystem tools which already exist and already do the job just fine. It (specifically gmc) does this by creating icons on the desktop that correspond to each device in the /etc/fstab that are user-mountable. Then the GUI operations are very simple: to mount, right-click on the icon, then click on "mount." To unmount, right-click on the icon, then click "unmount." It's a very well-designed system that follows the rules of HCI by very clearly stating what the purpose of the control is and providing constraints so that the user can't click "the wrong thing" by accident (ie. it doesn't show the "mount" command if the drive is already mounted). GNOME's job, therefore, is finished. What you may more accurately complain about is that your distribution doesn't come with sane defaults in the /etc/fstab, or that your distribution doesn't automatically recognize devices during the install and add them to the /etc/fstab, or that the documentation is too weak to tell you how to use /etc/fstab (no excuse: it's available on LDP), or that your distribution doesn't run amd by default, or that your distribution is simply on crack. All of these complaints should be taken up with the maintainers of your distribution. If you'd like to contribute code, however, I'm sure I am not the only one who would gladly welcome your contribution of a graphical /etc/fstab configuration utility. :) -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 12643 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 14:32:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:32:42 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02196 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:32:39 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA29838; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:40:31 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:40:31 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc In-Reply-To: <19990804154203.A513@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There is already a trimed down version of the file command inside libgnome. It is designed to give a mime type from the magic inside a file, rather than the amount of information given by the normal file command, so is probably a bit quicker. Still, it would still take a long time to process all the files in a 100000 file directory on a slow NFS partition. On the other hand, it may be useful to be able to turn the mime magic code in the preferences. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 01:56:56PM +0200 +++ > Per Erik Stendahl e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > Hi. > > > > It seems to me (and I always reserve the right to be wrong) that > > gmc determines the type of a file solely on the extension it has. > > I don't like this, it is not powerful enough and it seems like > > just-another-MSDOS-ripoff. I think that filetype identification > > should be able to use at least filename patterns (like extensions), > > locations and file contents. Take for instance the .doc extension. > > Is it a text document? Is it an MS Word document? Is it an airplane? > > > > I don't know exactly how the 'file' command determines the type of > > a file, maybe we could use that. > > The problem here is that it doesn't scale, if you've got a directory > with 10,000 files, you need to do 10,000 calls to file, which spawns > 10,000 processes one after another and does 10,000 open() calls. > > Over a network, this could take hours. > > mawa > -- > They're expending enough energy just taking in oxygen on a daily > basis, you think they have any synaptic activity left over to devote > to Intelligent Thought? > -- Synth F. Oberheim > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 17074 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:35:41 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02456 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:35:40 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem21.webtribe.net [194.164.194.21]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id OAA13163; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:31:36 GMT Message-ID: <004201bede84$e623ae60$15c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: , References: Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:14:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > > Yup, that's the story I got a few months back when I complained about this. > > Mostly it doesn't matter too much. But since Perl libraries and X Pixmaps both > > use *.pm, it *can* have some funny results =OZ > > gnome-libs provides functions to determine the mime type both from file > extension and magic numbers. Perhaps gmc could be modified to use magic > numbers if file extensions are ambiguous. hmm. if i remember tonight > maybe I'll give it a look. How about using the extension for display of icons, but the magic numbers when you double click the file? This way the file would only have to be read when you're opening it, so it wouldn't cause much slow down. And then, it could check if it got the icon wrong, for example, a text file called text.jpg would originally have a picture icon, but when you double click on it, the magic numbers are checked, it turns out to be a plain text file, emacs (or whatever) is opened for it, and the icon changes to a text icon, thus ignoring the (wrong) .jpg extension. Just a few thoughts/ideas, maybe this should go to the UI improvement people as well. I would try to hack it in, but the last time I tried to edit anything in GMC's code, my changes kept making it crash for no reason I could see, so I gave up. Maybe I'll try again. Iain From Moredhel@earthling.net Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 25397 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 14:47:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 14:47:04 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA03560 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:47:03 -0400 Received: from UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.85.58]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with SMTP id HAA16218; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:47:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cby-wts by UK.Sun.COM (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-sd.fkk205) id PAA13081; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:47:00 +0100 Received: from moredhel by cby-wts (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4-se.fkk202) id PAA01816; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:46:59 +0100 Message-Id: <199908041446.PAA01816@cby-wts> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:43:40 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark R. Bowyer" Reply-To: "Mark R. Bowyer" Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc To: gnome-list@gnome.org, nodatadj@webtribe.net MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: H5pkxIZ5QJoLmmJn8r1xpA== >From: "Iain" >How about using the extension for display of icons, but the magic numbers >when you double click the file? This way the file would only have to be read >when you're opening it, so it wouldn't cause much slow down. >And then, it could check if it got the icon wrong, for example, a text file >called text.jpg would originally have a picture icon, but when you double >click on it, the magic numbers are checked, it turns out to be a plain text >file, emacs (or whatever) is opened for it, and the icon changes to a text >icon, thus ignoring the (wrong) .jpg extension. Or how about using the extension for quickly drawing the directory, then have something running as a daemon with very low priority/nice level, that updates this information in the background? Gmc keeps a cache of directories visited, so files with "wrong" extensions could be indexed there, for later use. Most people who are using a file browser aren't doing much else anyway, so the update and correction should happen quite fast, but wouldn't effect the usability of the UI. Just a thought. I've been asking about threading GMC for a while, since it used to freeze for up to 5 minutes trying to quantify /home - which on my system is an automount of many hundreds of people's directories, mostly with no read perms =OZ You don't even want to *think* about what it'd do if I pointed it at /net (which has every machine with exported NFS directories within the entire company internationally - best guess would be a 5 figure number). -------My opinion - Not sane, intelligent or necessarily useful------- o o mailto:Moredhel@earthling.net /v\ark R. Bowyer. http://i.am/Moredhel mailto:Mark.Bowyer@UK.Sun.COM `-' "Everything is true, for a given value of 'true'" - PTerry From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 19361 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 15:09:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 15:09:55 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05640 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:09:53 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:10:48 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Nate Cull'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:12:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" It is a configureation saving library that works similar to (but better then) the windows registry. It will support different ways of saving the config information as modules so you can have it store keys in xml files, ldap, nds, acap, whatever... It will not be the same as a directory, but it will allow you to save your settings in a directory. Gconf is in development right now in the gnome cvs server. The mailing list is at: config@lists.wiggy.net config-request@lists.wiggy.net > -----Original Message----- > From: Nate Cull [mailto:culln@xtra.co.nz] > Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 1999 6:17 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: RE: Integrated Directory Service. > > > On Wed, 04 Aug 1999, Fox, Kevin M wrote: > > I know what you mean. The only thing I miss going entirely > to linux is NDS. > > gconf will take care of that problem. :) > > Now I'm curious. I wasn't aware there *was* any working, opensource > directory even mildly comparable to NDS. What's gconf, and > why can't I find it > on freshmeat? > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------- > nate cull culln@xtra.co.nz http://members.xoom.com/culln > Great Quotes of History: "We hold these rights..." > "I have a dream today..." "That's one small step..." > "I'm working on a free version of a Minix lookalike..." > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From shooby@sth.szif.hu Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 30222 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 15:19:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 15:19:46 -0000 Received: from sid.sth.szif.hu (qmailr@sid.sth.szif.hu [193.225.151.65]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA06668 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:19:45 -0400 Received: (qmail 9572 invoked by uid 503); 4 Aug 1999 15:25:24 -0000 Received: from localhost (sendmail-bs@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 15:25:24 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:25:24 +0200 (CEST) From: Shooby Ban To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Second GNOME aniversary. In-Reply-To: <199908030629.BAA07282@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ]announced on August 17 the project had its origins about a month ]before and we had sent the first proposals back and forth about 4 days Happy birthday, guys! -- Szabolcs (Shooby) Ban - Ban.Szabolcs@synergon.hu - http://listen.to/shooby http://locale.sth.szif.hu/gnome.html Coming soon... From jhk17@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 12753 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 15:35:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 15:35:29 -0000 Received: from web216.mail.yahoo.com (web216.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.116]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA07998 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:35:19 -0400 Message-ID: <19990804153245.5553.rocketmail@web216.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [12.26.9.7] by web216.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 08:32:45 PDT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 08:32:45 -0700 (PDT) From: mccoy henry Subject: Display Resloution Help To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi All, I am new to Linux/Gnome. Can someone tell how to change my display resolution from 1200x800 to 800x600. Any help would be greatly appreciated. -Henry _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From ama@act.qc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 30637 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 15:52:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 15:52:21 -0000 Received: from ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (ActMail.ACT.QC.CA [205.236.132.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA09527 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:52:20 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA12775 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:52:18 -0400 Received: from ActMTL.ACT.QC.CA(199.84.182.8), claiming to be "actmtl.act" via SMTP by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA, id smtpda12768; Wed Aug 4 11:52:11 1999 Received: from act.qc.ca (ACT-186 [199.84.182.61]) by actmtl.act with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id P80CPLMR; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:44:33 -0400 Message-ID: <37A85FE0.EBC47B60@act.qc.ca> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:44:32 -0400 From: Andre-John Mas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Folder Icons Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders in the file viewer. The approach is pretty simple, though the file viewer would have to be adapted to support custom icons. The approach would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder which would either be a reference to an icon or maybe even the icon itself. Having specific icons for folders in a graphical environment is actually quite useful. On another platform that I use it helps me quickly locate my internet tools folder, my development folder and any other folder that I have felt worthy of a particular use. Andre From shomer@fmco.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 8157 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 16:07:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 16:07:17 -0000 Received: from CHARON.TORONTO.FMCO.COM (charon3.fmco.com [199.85.124.142]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA10398 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:07:16 -0400 Received: id LAA20083; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:08:12 -0400 Received: by gateway id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:03:58 -0400 Message-ID: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> From: Steve Homer To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: RE: Folder Icons Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:01:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" So long as we keep the fallback icon, this is a pretty good idea. -----Original Message----- From: Andre-John Mas [mailto:ama@act.qc.ca] Sent: 04 August 1999 16:45 To: Gnome Mailing List Cc: "recipient.list.not.shown" Subject: Folder Icons Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders in the file viewer. The approach is pretty simple, though the file viewer would have to be adapted to support custom icons. The approach would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder which would either be a reference to an icon or maybe even the icon itself. Having specific icons for folders in a graphical environment is actually quite useful. On another platform that I use it helps me quickly locate my internet tools folder, my development folder and any other folder that I have felt worthy of a particular use. Andre -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 23919 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 16:26:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 16:26:14 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA11802 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:26:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 22790 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 16:26:10 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-145.insigma.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 16:26:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 11421 invoked by uid 1000); 4 Aug 1999 16:26:10 -0000 Message-ID: <19990804172610.M5097@insigma.com> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:26:10 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: cvs checkout succeeding Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: ; from Stephen Rust on Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 12:38:18PM +0000 On Tue, Jul 20, 1999 at 12:38:18PM +0000, Stephen Rust wrote: > I haven't tried in the last couple weeks myself, but there was at least > one server @netscape.com which has the permissions set incorrectly on > various modules, giving the "failed to create lock" errors doing a cvs > checkout. This is still causing problems; it should either be fixed, or at the very least a note about it should be put in the web site CVS instruction. It's quite disconcerting if you don't know what's going on :-) James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From bruno@fred.scooby.de Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 21434 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 16:55:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 16:55:48 -0000 Received: from hugo.fen.baynet.de (root@hugo.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14591 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:55:44 -0400 Received: from fred.scooby.de (bruno@dialin-er-62.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.130]) by hugo.fen.baynet.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA00428; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:55:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990803123930.007a4ec0@awod.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:57:50 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de Sender: bruno@fred.scooby.de From: Thomas Hedler To: Bert Moore Subject: RE: PPP Dialer Applet Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org On 03-Aug-99 Bert Moore wrote: > What is this applet linked to? What additional information can be > extracted from this applet? It would appear that "on" or "off" > does not > provide very much information. If you start this applet in the command-line of a terminal you'll see that it searches for /etc/ppp/ppp-on and ppp-off. When you can connect to your provider from the command-line by starting the ppp-on-script and the applet does nothing, you may have permission-problems to the scripts. They must be accessable by the users-group. Bye Thomas --- EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 3941 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:11:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:11:59 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16278 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:11:59 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.160]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:12:13 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A8375E.8695F8B2@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:51:42 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jacob Berkman CC: Matthias Warkus , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> <87zp08pe4s.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jacob Berkman wrote: > > mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > > > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > > edge of the screen. > > Personally, I find that pixel useful for bringing up the right click > menu. So, which way is best is debatable. As long as you have panel's `hide buttons' enabled that wouldn't be a problem at all. Just click in the corner of screen, which is even faster accessible place than a certain button on the edge, and then pop up the menu. The problem could occur when someone has `hide buttons' disabled. To address it there could be some modifier, e.g. CTRL key, which with button3 click in any place of panel would bring up the panel menu. -- BlackWine. From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 4863 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:12:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:12:48 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16340 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:12:47 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.160]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:12:16 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A83AF4.5FDE831A@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:07:00 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Warkus CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > There were no replies to my original point. The problem with your post is that it was too obvious that it's highly desired feature to me, so I didn't want to end up with huge quote of your post with comment like "I completely agree." ;) Anyway, according to the Fitt's law which you have previously quoted, the feature I requested in wishlist bug #1282 - http://bugs.gnome.org/db/12/1282.html gets a nice theory backing. :) The reason is: usually the empty desktop area is big, er *huge* target, and distance is small or even *none*. :) It's the Directory Opus 5.x which gave me the idea. For those interested, DO5 is very highly customizable desktop replacement for Amiga, proprietary unfortunately. Maybe screenshots at http://www.gpsoft.com.au/magellan/MagII-NewFeatures1.html could give some food for gmc developers' minds. -- BlackWine. From pierlu@iName.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 13403 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:21:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:21:49 -0000 Received: from pop02.prod (pop02.mail.com [165.251.20.34] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17337 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:21:49 -0400 Received: from BABOONT (ts005d42.yng-oh.concentric.net [206.173.78.246]) by pop02.prod (8.9.1/8.8.0) with ESMTP id NAA14317 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:21:47 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14248.30611.774000.889398@BABOONT> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:25:39 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time) From: pierlu@iName.com (PL. Miraglia) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Q about gmc: file viewer background? X-Mailer: VM 6.62 under Emacs 20.3.1 Reply-To: pierlu@iName.com How can I change the background color of the file viewer (right hand) area in gmc, when set to View Icons? I played around with the various gtkrc but cannot find the right one for this. Thank you, -- ***~~~~****~~~~*** Pierluigi Miraglia pierluATiname.com pmiragliATkent.edu The soul has a self-increasing logos (Herakl.) From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 23317 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:30:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:30:08 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18363 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:30:07 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-51.powerisp.com [199.105.137.51]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA29591; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:26:10 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A87749.94F0898E@jcinteractive.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 12:24:25 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Steve Homer CC: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Steve Homer wrote: > > So long as we keep the fallback icon, this is a pretty good idea. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Andre-John Mas [mailto:ama@act.qc.ca] > Sent: 04 August 1999 16:45 > To: Gnome Mailing List > Cc: "recipient.list.not.shown" > Subject: Folder Icons > > Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel > about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders > in the file viewer. The approach is pretty simple, though the file > viewer would have to be adapted to support custom icons. The approach > would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder which would either be > a reference to an icon or maybe even the icon itself. > > Having specific icons for folders in a graphical environment is > actually quite useful. On another platform that I use it helps > me quickly locate my internet tools folder, my development folder > and any other folder that I have felt worthy of a particular > use. > > Andre A better idea, IMHO would be to allow users to specify any icon for any file or folder. This way users don't need to mess with hidden files, or scattering .icon files all about or anything similar, they just right-click on the folder, go to "Set Icon" (or what have you), and select the icon they want. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From tromey@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:19 2000 Received: (qmail 25199 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:31:17 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18552 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:31:16 -0400 Received: from ferrule.cygnus.com. (ferrule.cygnus.com [205.180.230.166]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA18733; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:31:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ferrule.cygnus.com. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA12368; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:31:14 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:31:14 -0700 Message-Id: <199908041731.KAA12368@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Tom Tromey To: Andre-John Mas Cc: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Folder Icons In-Reply-To: <37A85FE0.EBC47B60@act.qc.ca> References: <37A85FE0.EBC47B60@act.qc.ca> X-Zippy: I can't think about that. It doesn't go with HEDGES in the shape of LITTLE LULU -- or ROBOTS making BRICKS... X-Attribution: Tom >>>>> "Andre" == Andre-John Mas writes: Andre> The approach would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder Andre> which would either be a reference to an icon or maybe even the Andre> icon itself. Why not use metadata? Tom From ama@act.qc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 6898 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:49:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:49:27 -0000 Received: from ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (ActMail.ACT.QC.CA [205.236.132.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20254 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:49:27 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA13212 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:49:25 -0400 Received: from ActMTL.ACT.QC.CA(199.84.182.8), claiming to be "actmtl.act" via SMTP by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA, id smtpda13205; Wed Aug 4 13:49:19 1999 Received: from act.qc.ca (ACT-186 [199.84.182.61]) by actmtl.act with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id P80CPLPJ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:41:40 -0400 Message-ID: <37A87B53.E3B459B7@act.qc.ca> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 13:41:39 -0400 From: Andre-John Mas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: <37A85FE0.EBC47B60@act.qc.ca> <199908041731.KAA12368@ferrule.cygnus.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Tromey wrote: > > >>>>> "Andre" == Andre-John Mas writes: > > Andre> The approach would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder > Andre> which would either be a reference to an icon or maybe even the > Andre> icon itself. > > Why not use metadata? > > Tom I must admit I have no idea what metadata is. The reason for the hidden .icon idea is because of the simplicity of implementation and the fact there icon stays with the folder even if the user moves the folder's location, either via the command prompt or any other graphical file viewer. How this approach could be used for a file, I have no idea. With the MacOS this can be achieved quite easily because each file can have a resource fork, though no such thing exists on Linux, or any other OSs for that matter. Any ideas how BeOS does this sort of stuff? Andre From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 8285 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20326 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:49:54 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22435; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:55:12 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:55:12 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: "Mark R. Bowyer" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc In-Reply-To: <199908041423.PAA27309@cby-wts> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Mark R. Bowyer wrote: > >From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) > > >The problem here is that it doesn't scale, if you've got a directory > >with 10,000 files, you need to do 10,000 calls to file, which spawns > >10,000 processes one after another and does 10,000 open() calls. > > This isn't a very good arguement. Why can't it just do a single "file *" in > each directory, and then parse the output? Make sure you don't over-run any You would still have to make 10,000 open() calls though. not sure what the speed on that would be. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 20559 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 18:01:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 18:01:25 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21364 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:25 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:02:20 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Tom Tromey'" , Andre-John Mas , "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Folder Icons Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:04:06 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" If you get into the metadata stuff, you start to have the MAC #1 flaw. Data forks. To copy a file over the internet with metadata intact, you have to use a program like stuffit to copy it. Please do not go this direction. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Tromey [mailto:tromey@cygnus.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:31 AM > To: Andre-John Mas > Subject: Re: Folder Icons > > > >>>>> "Andre" == Andre-John Mas writes: > > Andre> The approach would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder > Andre> which would either be a reference to an icon or maybe even the > Andre> icon itself. > > Why not use metadata? > > Tom > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jobezone@localhost.localdomain Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 23942 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 18:03:51 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA21653 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:03:41 -0400 Received: from lisas3-p60.telepac.pt (HELO localhost.localdomain) (194.65.224.253) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 11:05:04 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37A8375E.8695F8B2@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 19:03:25 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@localhost.localdomain From: Eduardo Silva To: Kuba Winnicki Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, Matthias Warkus , Jacob Berkman On 04-Aug-99 Kuba Winnicki wrote: > Jacob Berkman wrote: >> >> mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: >> >> > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if >> > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents >> > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the >> > edge of the screen. >> >> Personally, I find that pixel useful for bringing up the right click >> menu. So, which way is best is debatable. > > As long as you have panel's `hide buttons' enabled that wouldn't be a > problem at all. Just click in the corner of screen, which is even faster > accessible place than a certain button on the edge, and then pop up the > menu. I didn't know we could click on the arrow to acess the menu. But I bet lot's of new user's won't also know. They'll keep trying to hit that 3 pixel space between launchers. I don't know how could this be improved, I just know the hide buttons don't seem like they're right clickable. Eduardo <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From murphy@erim-int.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 32060 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 20:04:08 -0000 Received: from csd1000a (csd1000a.erim-int.com [155.102.166.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00476 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:04:07 -0400 Received: from erim-int.com by csd1000a (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id QAA22882; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:02:12 -0400 Message-ID: <37A89CB9.62ED850@erim-int.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:04:09 -0400 From: Sean Murphy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit You don't have to use stuffit to copy it with metadata intact, at least when you are copying from a Mac to a Mac. The file shows up on your client Mac with everything set correctly; the icon is correct for that application and double-clicking on that icon opens the correct program to access the data. I don't claim to know how it works, and I know that you DO have problems trying to transfer the files to non-Mac computers. For example, a JPEG file on the Mac might be called "Picture of Me" (no extension). You won't have any trouble opening it on the Mac. If you transfer it to a Windows or Unix machine, they won't have a clue what it is. Although if you rename it "me.jpg", Windows and Unix are much happier. Personally, I kind of like the fact that the filename doesn't matter at ALL, the metadata keeps track of the file association so the system knows what type of file it is. "Fox, Kevin M" wrote: > If you get into the metadata stuff, you start to have the MAC #1 flaw. Data > forks. To copy a file over the internet with metadata intact, you have to > use a program like stuffit to copy it. Please do not go this direction. :) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Tromey [mailto:tromey@cygnus.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 10:31 AM > > To: Andre-John Mas > > Subject: Re: Folder Icons > > > > > > >>>>> "Andre" == Andre-John Mas writes: > > > > Andre> The approach would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder > > Andre> which would either be a reference to an icon or maybe even the > > Andre> icon itself. > > > > Why not use metadata? > > > > Tom > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail > > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From tromey@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 3870 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 20:09:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 20:09:26 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01017 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:09:23 -0400 Received: from ferrule.cygnus.com. (ferrule.cygnus.com [205.180.230.166]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA03837; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:09:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ferrule.cygnus.com. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id NAA12514; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:09:21 -0700 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 13:09:21 -0700 Message-Id: <199908042009.NAA12514@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Tom Tromey To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: Re: Folder Icons In-Reply-To: <37A89CB9.62ED850@erim-int.com> References: <37A89CB9.62ED850@erim-int.com> X-Zippy: Yow! I'm imagining a surfer van filled with soy sauce! X-Attribution: Tom Kevin> "Fox, Kevin M" wrote: Kevin> If you get into the metadata stuff, you start to have the MAC Kevin> #1 flaw. Data forks. To copy a file over the internet with Kevin> metadata intact, you have to use a program like stuffit to copy Kevin> it. Please do not go this direction. :) We already have metadata. See gnome-libs/libgnome/gnome-metadata.[ch]. Yes, we're aware of the various flaws, drawbacks, and tradeoffs associated with metadata. It still seems like a good idea in some situations. Having an icon associated with a directory in MC seems like one of these situations to me. The icon isn't critical information (the directory will still work without it), and you probably really want the icon to be per-user and not global. Metadata satisfies these constraints. Tom From ama@act.qc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 24045 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 20:29:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 20:29:10 -0000 Received: from ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (ActMail.ACT.QC.CA [205.236.132.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03248 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:29:08 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA00881; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:28:57 -0400 Received: from ActMTL.ACT.QC.CA(199.84.182.8), claiming to be "actmtl.act" via SMTP by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA, id smtpda00874; Wed Aug 4 16:28:51 1999 Received: from act.qc.ca (ACT-186 [199.84.182.61]) by actmtl.act with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id P80CPLT5; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:21:11 -0400 Message-ID: <37A8A0B5.176071EC@act.qc.ca> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:21:09 -0400 From: Andre-John Mas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Murphy , Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: <37A89CB9.62ED850@erim-int.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Murphy wrote: > > You don't have to use stuffit to copy it with metadata intact, at least when > you are copying from a Mac to a Mac. The file shows up on your client Mac with > everything set correctly; the icon is correct for that application and > double-clicking on that icon opens the correct program to access the data. > > I don't claim to know how it works, and I know that you DO have problems trying > to transfer the files to non-Mac computers. For example, a JPEG file on the > Mac might be called "Picture of Me" (no extension). You won't have any trouble > opening it on the Mac. If you transfer it to a Windows or Unix machine, they > won't have a clue what it is. Although if you rename it "me.jpg", Windows and > Unix are much happier. > > Personally, I kind of like the fact that the filename doesn't matter at ALL, > the metadata keeps track of the file association so the system knows what type > of file it is. The way it works on the Mac is that all files have two 'forks': the data fork, which contains file data such as your JPEG image or RTF document, and the resource fork which contains resources specific to the file in question. For example an application would store its icons, images, dialog layouts and other stuff in the resource fork. A file that has a custom icon would have its icon in the resource fork and the system would look for the icon in there. Nothing is lost when the Mac moves a file around because it knows about the resource fork. The resource fork usually ends up being excess luggage when the file is transfered to another platform. One solution was the MacBinary file format, though this meant that the otherwise useful data fork became unreadable to any non-Mac app. Another was to have a resource fork folder in the same folder as the data element. Either way the solutions don't really work when you leave the Mac arena. OpenStep uses a solution which works for apps, but not for general files. This is to have the application with all its resources placed in one folder. When viewed in the GUI world this folder is treated as a double-clickable application ( the .app extension tells the OS how to treat the folder ). Metadata is very dependent on the tools available knowing how to handle that information and knowing that any change in the status of the file needs to be reflected in the metadata database. Dot files, or hidden files tend to go with the directory, so there is little risk of them being lost. Also it is very easy to delete the information when it is no use to you - you don't need to know how the metadata is stored. If you are GUI exclusive user and are only using Gnome and realise that the validity of the Metadata is only valid in the realm of Gnome, then Metadata is a good solution, especially since you can add extended information, a bit like the BeOS does with its file database. Andre From denis@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 2118 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 20:39:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 20:39:25 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA03997 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:39:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 22803 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 20:39:23 -0000 Received: from ns1030.munich.netsurf.de (HELO gmx.net) (195.180.235.30) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 20:39:23 -0000 Sender: denis@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A8A583.5B90F861@gmx.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 22:41:39 +0200 From: Denis Grannell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [es_DO.gmo] Error 127 compiling gnome-core Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I hope this is the right place to post this, if not I'm sure I'll be instructed as appropriate. Can someone shed some light on the following compiler/configure errors with gnome-core-1.0.7: Configure error =============== checking for ESD - version >= 0.2.5... no *** The esd-config script installed by ESD could not be found *** If ESD was installed in PREFIX, make sure PREFIX/bin is in *** your path, or set the ESD_CONFIG environment variable to the *** full path to esd-config. configure: warning: *** `esd-manager' will not be built *** I can't find ESD anywhere, in any version, greater or smaller than 0.2.5 Compiler error ============== Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/misc/Gnome/gnome-core-1.0.7/po' file=./`echo es_DO | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \ && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH no -o $file es_DO.po /bin/sh: no: command not found make[2]: *** [es_DO.gmo] Error 127 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/misc/Gnome/gnome-core-1.0.7/po' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/misc/Gnome/gnome-core-1.0.7' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 My system is a PII running "S.U.S.E 6.0" with gcc-2.95. Thanks Denis From kent.perrier@pgs.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 32523 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:04:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:04:34 -0000 Received: from outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com (outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com [157.147.25.67]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06793 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:04:33 -0400 Received: from pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com (pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com [157.147.19.6]) by outpost.hstn.tensor.pgs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA10486; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:04:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from pgs.com (mamba.hstn.geobank.pgs.com [157.147.17.32]) by pluto.hstn.geobank.pgs.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA21966; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:08:49 -0500 Message-ID: <37A8AADC.CA50C96E@pgs.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 16:04:28 -0500 From: Kent Perrier Organization: Organization organized to reduce the number of characters in one's Organization e-mail header X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dax Kelson CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Updated RPMS 8/1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dax Kelson wrote: > > ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/contrib-rpms Hum, this directory doesn't exist. Are they under the updates directory? Kent -- Expect to be publicly mocked as long as you call yourselves "perl experts". - Abigail in slrn7qbcr6.r33.abigail@alexandra.delanet.com From dax@gurulabs.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 8518 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:15:43 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA07778 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:15:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 3930 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:15:31 -0000 Received: from brookie.inconnect.com (209.140.64.23) by mail with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:15:31 -0000 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:15:31 -0600 (MDT) From: Dax Kelson X-Sender: dkelson@brookie.inconnect.com To: Kent Perrier cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Updated RPMS 8/1 In-Reply-To: <37A8AADC.CA50C96E@pgs.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Kent Perrier said once upon a time (Wed, 4 Aug 1999): > Dax Kelson wrote: > > > > ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/contrib-rpms > > Hum, this directory doesn't exist. Are they under the updates > directory? I reorganized the directory structure. Yes, they are under the updates directory. The README in pub/gnome says: updates - Contains updated SRPMs, i386, and alpha RPMS for RedHat 6.0 contrib - Contains RedHat 6.0 SRPMs, and RPMs of software not included with RH6 Dax Kelson From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 22505 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:34:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:34:32 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08970 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:34:31 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA167 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:49 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.99]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAB169 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:50 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01770 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:43:25 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:43:24 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: To drag or not to drag Message-ID: <19990804154324.A1742@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <37A823F2.E1F968C0@toward.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37A823F2.E1F968C0@toward.com>; from drarn on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 07:28:50AM -0400 On Aug/04/1999, drarn wrote: > sense. It would be better to use the center button for double clicking, > among other things, and the right button for *all* menus, and eliminate > *all* use of the center button for menu access. A desperate but effective Well, I don't agree with you too much, but that's a personal taste question:-) Anyway, I think that the solution to this would be, simply, to be able to define the mouse button action, like you can (for example) in Window Maker. This way, if you wanted the center button to do a "double click", you could; while I could retain my center button to drag things around:-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto | Only the good die young mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | All the evil seems to live forever * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 22779 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:34:36 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08974 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:34:33 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA206 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:52 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.99]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAC169 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:53 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01581 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:23:10 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:23:09 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990804142309.A1443@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990803003041.B3205@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:30:42AM +0200 On Aug/03/1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > Office Suite > Someone needs to code it. An office suite is a major effort. Millions > of lines of code, that is. I would be very pleased if I only had a text editor with text formatting capabilities. The ones that I know (StarOffice, WP, even Netscape) are too big for such a thing. I think that some WordPad kind of thing would be very fine. (If there's something like that, please tell me and O:-)) BTW, a simple but I guess that difficult question for improving GNOME would be less memory needs. I find some applets (eg, drivemount, clockmail) to eat too much memory. But maybe that's only because I don't know what is required for a thing like that, maybe that memory needs are justified:-) Forgive my ignorance if this' the case O:-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto | My yellow in this case is not so mellow mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | In fact I'm trying to say * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | It's frightened like me From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 22828 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:34:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:34:37 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08976 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:34:36 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA174 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:55 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.99]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAD169 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:55 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01424 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:04:26 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:04:26 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome Message-ID: <19990804140426.C1374@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com>; from Daniel Weber on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 05:57:56PM -0500 El día 02/Aug/1999, Daniel Weber escribía: > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... No, PLEASE, no (spam|25-line-signature|4-quoted-messages|flame-war) full newsgroups about GNOME :-) The news system should be destroyed in spite of humanity mental health. Mailing lists are faster, easier, and above all, you have more control of the people that write in them. Much better, in my opinion. The only advantage that a newsgroup would have is that you don't have to have a mail account, but ... doesn't everybody have one, nowadays? :-) Sorry if I'm too wrong or too exaggerated, but my newsgroups experience has been quite awful O:-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto | Sure there's no way to turn it mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | Back to the old days * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | Of bliss and cheerful laughter From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 23995 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:35:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:35:43 -0000 Received: from mailout09.btx.dtag.de (mailout09.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.157]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09032 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:35:42 -0400 Received: from fwd11.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.171]) by mailout09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11C8hE-0004QP-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:36 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.97]) by fwd11.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:34 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11320 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:21:17 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:21:17 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc Message-ID: <19990804222117.B11281@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908041423.PAA27309@cby-wts> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908041423.PAA27309@cby-wts>; from Mark R. Bowyer on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 03:20:01PM +0100 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 03:20:01PM +0100 +++ Mark R. Bowyer e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > >From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) > > >The problem here is that it doesn't scale, if you've got a directory > >with 10,000 files, you need to do 10,000 calls to file, which spawns > >10,000 processes one after another and does 10,000 open() calls. > > > >Over a network, this could take hours. > > This isn't a very good arguement. Why can't it just do a single > "file *" in each directory, and then parse the output? Make sure > you don't over-run any buffers (in your 10,000 file case) but you > get 1 call to file, spawning 1 process, which returns quite quick, > even over a network, scaled by the number of files - not hugely > longer than what we have now. And it uses a system resource, rather > than reinventing the wheel, and making it triangular, as we have > now. > > Note that, at least on Solaris, you have options to (a) use your own > magic file (so users can extend the list without needing root > access) and (b) give it a list of files, for file selections and in > case the "*" option isn't quite right. Whatever. So you save the overhead for spawning file processes. Instead of 40,000 open() calls, you just need to do 10,000. Nevertheless, I *don't* want to see 30 users accessing an NFS-mounted directory with a file manager that does this. Wee! Get over a quarter million file accesses for free! mawa -- Multiple exclamation marks are sign of a diseased mind. -- Terry Pratchett From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 24298 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:35:59 -0000 Received: from mailout09.btx.dtag.de (mailout09.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.157]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09036 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:35:58 -0400 Received: from fwd11.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.171]) by mailout09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11C8hY-0004Z7-00; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:56 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.97]) by fwd11.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:35:35 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA11323 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:22:52 +0200 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:22:52 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Folder Icons Message-ID: <19990804222252.C11281@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> <37A87749.94F0898E@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37A87749.94F0898E@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:24:25PM -0500 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 12:24:25PM -0500 +++ James M. Cape e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel > > about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders > > in the file viewer. The approach is pretty simple, though the file > > viewer would have to be adapted to support custom icons. The approach > > would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder which would either be > > a reference to an icon or maybe even the icon itself. > > > > Having specific icons for folders in a graphical environment is > > actually quite useful. On another platform that I use it helps > > me quickly locate my internet tools folder, my development folder > > and any other folder that I have felt worthy of a particular > > use. > > > > Andre > > A better idea, IMHO would be to allow users to specify any icon for any > file or folder. This way users don't need to mess with hidden files, or > scattering .icon files all about or anything similar, they just > right-click on the folder, go to "Set Icon" (or what have you), and > select the icon they want. We would do this with metadata anyway, I presume (Hey ho! Finally something metadata is good for!), so we don't scatter files anywhere and we can thus make settings even for files we don't own and in whose directories we can't write. mawa -- ...and thus the application framework came to a point where you could say: "Hey, Miguel, I'd love to have a context popup at drag actions from the tree list entries into the panel", and he would do it, in less than 24 hours and usually in less than 100 lines of code... From ama@act.qc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 3740 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:46:19 -0000 Received: from ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (ActMail.ACT.QC.CA [205.236.132.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09837 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:46:16 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA01202 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:46:15 -0400 Received: from ActMTL.ACT.QC.CA(199.84.182.8), claiming to be "actmtl.act" via SMTP by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA, id smtpda01197; Wed Aug 4 17:46:12 1999 Received: from act.qc.ca (ACT-186 [199.84.182.61]) by actmtl.act with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id P80CPLVZ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:38:32 -0400 Message-ID: <37A8B2D5.5F4D2FE6@act.qc.ca> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 17:38:29 -0400 From: Andre-John Mas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Metadata (was Re: Folder Icons) References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> <37A87749.94F0898E@jcinteractive.com> <19990804222252.C11281@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > We would do this with metadata anyway, I presume (Hey ho! Finally > something metadata is good for!), so we don't scatter files anywhere > and we can thus make settings even for files we don't own and in whose > directories we can't write. > Since metadata is available, I might aswell see what I can do with it so: Would it be possible to have a master metadata DB on a CD, so that when I went about distributing my CD to clients the folders would have meaningful icons? Is there any documentation on what can be done with Metadata in Gnome? Andre From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.DE Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 5588 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 21:48:06 -0000 Received: from mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.57]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09978 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:48:04 -0400 Received: from karlo.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (pseelig@karlo.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.14]) by mailgate2.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03339; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:47:59 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Paul Seelig X-Sender: pseelig@karlo.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE To: Roberto Suarez Soto cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990804142309.A1443@cheetah.darkland.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: > I would be very pleased if I only had a text editor with text > formatting capabilities. The ones that I know (StarOffice, WP, even > Netscape) are too big for such a thing. I think that some WordPad kind of > thing would be very fine. > > (If there's something like that, please tell me and O:-)) > You might be interested in Ted: "http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/" and "http://freshmeat.net/news/1999/08/01/933547212.html". The latest version is available at "ftp://ftp.nluug.nl/pub/editors/ted/". In "http://linuxpr.com/releases/201.html" it says: ------------ bite here ----------------- Ted 2.5, an easy to run and easy to install Rich Text Processor for Linux/Unix released under the Gnu Public License. [ snip ] Description of Ted About two years ago Ted was started as an operating system accessory like Wordpad for Linux. Compatibility with Macintosh and Windows word processing applications played an important role in the design of Ted. Every document produced by Ted is a legal something.rtf file for Word without any loss of formatting or information. In the other direction, compatibility with Word is not perfect, but a major part of the functionality of Word is supported. Although from the point of view of technical elegance, RTF is far from ideal, the fact that RTF files can be exchanged between so many word processing programs was conclusive in the choice of a file format. [ snip ] History and motivation Mark de Does is a professional software developer working on more computer platforms than just Windows. He was annoyed by the fact that every time he had to make a presentable text, he had to boot Windows to type and format it. About two years ago, he decided that the only way to provide what he was so dearly missing, was to build a simple word processor himself. The primary source of inspiration was the 'Edit' application under NextStep. [ snip ] Future developments of Ted will include the support of more languages and scripts, more features to control the vertical layout of the text, and probably a move from the Motif widget set to GTK. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ :-) [ snip ] ^^^^^^ ------------ bite here ----------------- I like it quite a lot. Cheers, P. *8^) -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany --------------- http://www.uni-mainz.de/~pseelig ----------------- From federico@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 1641 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 22:24:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 22:24:44 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (federico@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12663 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:24:44 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04140; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:25:23 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:25:23 -0400 Message-Id: <199908042225.SAA04140@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@nuclecu.unam.mx using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: gisler@ntb.ch CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <51FE6B7D.36290AD7@ntb.ch> (message from HpG on Sun, 04 Aug 2013 16:55:57 +0200) Subject: Re: Editing mime-type list? X-Indecision: is the key to Flexibility. References: <51FE6B7D.36290AD7@ntb.ch> > I got a question regarding mime-types of GNOME. > How can I add mime-types by my self? > The reason for this (perhaps silly) question > is, that I am working with Lyx which creates > *.lyx files. I can not find that extension > in the mime-type list. > I whould like to open automatically Lyx > when double clicking in gmc on such a file. Run the control center, launch the MIME-types capplet, and click on the "Add" button. Federico From federico@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 14838 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 22:37:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 22:37:39 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (federico@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA13634 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:37:39 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04147; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:38:18 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:38:18 -0400 Message-Id: <199908042238.SAA04147@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@nuclecu.unam.mx using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: ama@act.qc.ca CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <37A85FE0.EBC47B60@act.qc.ca> (message from Andre-John Mas on Wed, 04 Aug 1999 11:44:32 -0400) Subject: Re: Folder Icons X-Nipples: without them, breasts would be pointless. References: <37A85FE0.EBC47B60@act.qc.ca> > Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel > about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders > in the file viewer. Sigh, I already explained how to do this. To quote myself: > Go to the Edit menu. Select Preferences. Go to the Caching page. > Turn on the option that says "Allow customization of icons in icon > view". Click OK. > > Click mouse button 3 on a file and select Properties from the popup > menu. Go to the Options page, and click on the icon button. Change > the icon image. Click OK on the preferences dialog. The file's icon > will change. > > This is documented in the GNOME User's Guide in the node > "http://www.gnome.org/users-guide/gmcprefs.html#GMCPREFS-CACHE". The > reason this option is not turned on by default is that metadata > lookups for icons can get really slow on systems with home directories > mounted over NFS. > > The to-be-rewritten version of the file manager will support lazy > updating of the icon lists, so that it will lookup icons on demand > rather than loading all of them in one shot, thus eliminating the need > for this ugly option. Please read the mailing list archives before asking questions like these. This was answered exactly two days ago. Federico From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 18832 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 22:43:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 22:43:54 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14041 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:43:54 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:43:50 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (chi-tgn-gvo-vty23.as.wcom.net [216.192.149.23]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id SAA26508; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:43:11 -0400 (EDT) To: Kuba Winnicki Cc: Matthias Warkus , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> <87zp08pe4s.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> <37A8375E.8695F8B2@optimus.wroc.pl> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 04 Aug 1999 18:52:37 -0400 In-Reply-To: Kuba Winnicki's message of "Wed, 04 Aug 1999 14:51:42 +0200" Message-ID: <87r9lj6tvu.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 41 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" Kuba Winnicki writes: > Jacob Berkman wrote: > > > > mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > > > > > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > > > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > > > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > > > edge of the screen. > > > > Personally, I find that pixel useful for bringing up the right click > > menu. So, which way is best is debatable. > > As long as you have panel's `hide buttons' enabled that wouldn't be a > problem at all. Just click in the corner of screen, which is even faster > accessible place than a certain button on the edge, and then pop up the > menu. > > The problem could occur when someone has `hide buttons' disabled. To > address it there could be some modifier, e.g. CTRL key, which with > button3 click in any place of panel would bring up the panel menu. Ok, so here is a little proposal: Add to the right click menu of applets a 'panel' submenu which is the traditional right click menu for the panel. Add a property to not have a border around the panel (like the between applets border). Or at least configure this size. I think this provides a pretty good resolution to the problem, and makes the panel even a bit better. I will try to get this into the branches over the weekend if people are not opposed to it. Thanks, Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From federico@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 20736 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 22:45:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 22:45:59 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (federico@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA14216 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:45:58 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04153; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:46:40 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:46:40 -0400 Message-Id: <199908042246.SAA04153@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@nuclecu.unam.mx using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: pierlu@iName.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <14248.30611.774000.889398@BABOONT> (pierlu@iName.com) Subject: Re: Q about gmc: file viewer background? X-Homer: You're everywhere. You're omnivorous. References: <14248.30611.774000.889398@BABOONT> > How can I change the background color of the file viewer (right hand) area > in gmc, when set to View Icons? I played around with the various gtkrc but > cannot find the right one for this. Thank you, Change the color of the NORMAL state of the BASE style. Federico From colin.marquardt@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 9274 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 23:15:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:15:07 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA17071 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:15:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 12953 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 23:15:05 -0000 Received: from stgdi41-145-253-106-020.arcor-ip.net (HELO ashwork.colinathome.de) (145.253.106.20) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:15:05 -0000 Received: from colin by ashwork.colinathome.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11C9dW-0004gQ-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:35:50 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <87so60p9c1.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> In-Reply-To: Jacob Berkman's message of "03 Aug 1999 22:29:18 -0400" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 05 Aug 1999 00:35:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87aes7w4vt.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: Colin Marquardt From: Colin Marquardt * Jacob Berkman writes: > Elliot Lee writes: >> What window manager are you using? Maybe it's a window manager-specific >> issue as to what border gets shown. >> >> icewm, > Tried with Blackbox and twm; neither work. E, the same. -- Colin Marquardt From colin.marquardt@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 9605 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 23:15:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:15:22 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA17096 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:15:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 13048 invoked by uid 0); 4 Aug 1999 23:15:19 -0000 Received: from stgdi41-145-253-106-020.arcor-ip.net (HELO ashwork.colinathome.de) (145.253.106.20) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:15:19 -0000 Received: from colin by ashwork.colinathome.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11C9l2-0004h7-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:43:36 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <99080405412400.01583@flyswatter.localmachine> In-Reply-To: John Ellis's message of "Wed, 4 Aug 1999 05:36:50 -0400" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 05 Aug 1999 00:43:36 +0200 Message-ID: <87zp07upyf.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: Colin Marquardt From: Colin Marquardt * John Ellis writes: > Under icewm, I notice the default panel has a border. But if I set the > background to a pixmap, the border disappears, moving the buttons to the edge > of the desktop. Perhaps this is why people are seeing different things? E. Indeed, it works. -- Colin Marquardt From callahan@thnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 25804 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 23:27:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:27:15 -0000 Received: from vader.thnet.com (root@vader.thnet.com [206.98.115.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA18751 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:27:13 -0400 Received: from callahan (tc1-02.thnet.com [206.98.115.162]) by vader.thnet.com (8.8.7/8.7.3) with ESMTP id SAA17568 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:27:06 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: <000101beded1$208c4f70$0100a8c0@callahan.thnet.com> From: "Callahan" To: Subject: swallowed apps Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:28:57 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 This may be a stupid question, but what is a swallowed app and how does it work. (told you it may be stupid) Brad From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 29201 invoked from network); 4 Aug 1999 23:59:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 23:59:45 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA21830 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:59:45 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA21402 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:59:50 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: swallowed apps Date: 4 Aug 1999 23:59:50 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 13 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <000101beded1$208c4f70$0100a8c0@callahan.thnet.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933811190 21400 207.175.42.154 (4 Aug 1999 23:59:50 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 4 Aug 1999 23:59:50 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 4 Aug 1999 19:27:31 -0400, Callahan wrote: >This may be a stupid question, but what is a swallowed app and how does it >work. (told you it may be stupid) The "swallowed apps" feature of the panel lets you contain any X11 program inside a panel applet spot, even if it wasn't written to work with the GNOME panel. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem to work for me (It's on the bug list - please help the hackers with stability by reporting any bugs you see.) -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 10804 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:14:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:14:52 -0000 Received: from zaphod.winstar.com (1Cust121.tnt2.bel-air.md.da.uu.net [153.35.79.121]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23640 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:14:49 -0400 Received: from winstar.com (IDENT:kevin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.winstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA06590; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:14:23 -0400 Sender: kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Message-ID: <37A8D75F.C8C5B43B@winstar.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:14:23 -0400 From: Kevin der Kinderen Reply-To: kevin@winstar.com Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.23smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Fwd: Gnome RPM Configuration Help] References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2DA7C501E8A8A07C285D3313" --------------2DA7C501E8A8A07C285D3313 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally figured out why I was only getting the following archives showing up in preferences. They are set by the site where the archive is located: alpha alpha update sparc sparc update i386 This is where I was confused. I was trying to modify rc files and everything else. In the end, I just needed to point to a different archive (rpmfind.net). I have been using rpmfind for a long time now and I understand that this program is a gui front end tieing together rpm and rpmfind. The concept is great - and once I got it figured out it was rather easy to use. My comments are more on the documentation. While the document seems much better than many of the "free" programs out there I don't think it takes the beginner into account. In addition, I believe it takes a functional approach instead of the more practical tutorial approach a beginner might be able to get his hands around. A description of what a menu item does can't help if the user can't figure out why or when he'd want to do it. There is little background on RPM and online archives. In RH (I can't speak about any of the others) RPMs form the core of building and maintaining a linux system. For many (I would guess) just latching on to linux, RPMs are probably the most confusing aspect. I know that when I first loaded linux about 6 months ago my first 10 questions specifically had to do with RPMs and how to use them. "Maximum RPM" - when I finally found it - was a great help. Glint was simple to use and understand - though maybe feature limited. Gnorpm seems rich in features - but for someone just picking up a linux system it could be made much easier simply by creating a tutorial manual. I think "Maximum RPM" would be a good guide for the layout of a gnorpm manual. In addition, it probably should be mentioned as recommended reading. Sorry for being long-winded. You wrote a great program here, now it needs a manual (how-to?) to do it justice. Kevin James Henstridge wrote: > I would be interested in what people think about this. The rpmfind code > in gnorpm is not perfect, and could do with a bit of tuning. You can > currently disable distributions by setting their rating to -1. > > It would be useful to have the have some distributions turned off by > default. I don't know if turning all but one is such a great idea though > (the user will often want one of the contrib archives at least). > > For most people's systems, it is best to turn off some distributions (eg. > SuSE and Red Hat often have conflicting package names, so you probably > only want to search for either SuSE or Red Hat packages, but not both. > There are some small incompatibilities in the other distributions, but the > RH/SuSE one is the biggest. > > The current code can already eliminate packages for the wrong > architecture, so it is not necessary to exclude other architectures from > the allowed distribution list. > > Does anyone have any ideas about what the best way to handle this is? > > James. > > -- > Email: james@daa.com.au > WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ > > On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > > > The distributions page allows you to place ratings on the different > > > distributions that are indexed on the rpmfind server. It also allows you > > > to specify your favourite mirror. If you are using the www.redhat.com > > > metadata server (the default for binary distributed with RH6). On the > > > other hand, if you use the larger rpmfind.net server, there are about 90 > > > distributions, so you may want to give the rpmfind code some hints as to > > > what to pick (for a start, if you are using a red hat based distribution, > > > set the SUSE distributions in the list to -1, so they don't get chosen). > > > If you want, don't even worry about this page. > > > > James, > > > > my analysis of the feedback I got from rpmfind users tends to prove that > > it's a not well know feature. Maybe a simplistic default option like > > "fetch only from the iinstalled distribution" turned on by default would > > avoid troubles. This would also I guess cover distributors concerns, and > > avoid them having the default setup pointing to a reduced metadata base > > like RedHat did for 6.0. > > Then being able to pick in a menu a set of other distribs and "add them" > > would allow "experienced users" to have a richer set to choose from (however > > source package queries should really search the full set). > > > > Daniel > > > > -- > > Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : > > Tel : +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, > > Fax : +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, > > http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Kevin AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 --------------2DA7C501E8A8A07C285D3313 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I finally figured out why I was only getting the following archives showing up in preferences. They are set by the site where the archive is located:

alpha
alpha update
sparc
sparc update
i386
<no i386 update>

This is where I was confused. I was trying to modify rc files and everything else. In the end, I just needed to point to a different archive (rpmfind.net).

I have been using rpmfind for a long time now and I understand that this program is a gui front end tieing together rpm and rpmfind. The concept is great - and once I got it figured out it was rather easy to use.

My comments are more on the documentation. While the document seems much better than many of the "free" programs out there I don't think it takes the beginner into account. In addition, I believe it takes a functional approach instead of the more practical tutorial approach a beginner might be able to get his hands around. A description of what a menu item does can't help if the user can't figure out why or when he'd want to do it. There is little background on RPM and online archives.

In RH (I can't speak about any of the others) RPMs form the core of building and maintaining a linux system. For many (I would guess) just latching on to linux, RPMs are probably the most confusing aspect. I know that when I first loaded linux about 6 months ago my first 10 questions specifically had to do with RPMs and how to use them. "Maximum RPM" - when I finally found it - was a great help. Glint was simple to use and understand - though maybe feature limited.

Gnorpm seems rich in features - but for someone just picking up a linux system it could be made much easier simply by creating a tutorial manual. I think "Maximum RPM" would be a good guide for the layout of a gnorpm manual. In addition, it probably should be mentioned as recommended reading.

Sorry for being long-winded. You wrote a great program here, now it needs a manual (how-to?) to do it justice.

Kevin
 

James Henstridge wrote:

I would be interested in what people think about this.  The rpmfind code
in gnorpm is not perfect, and could do with a bit of tuning.  You can
currently disable distributions by setting their rating to -1.

It would be useful to have the have some distributions turned off by
default.  I don't know if turning all but one is such a great idea though
(the user will often want one of the contrib archives at least).

For most people's systems, it is best to turn off some distributions (eg.
SuSE and Red Hat often have conflicting package names, so you probably
only want to search for either SuSE or Red Hat packages, but not both.
There are some small incompatibilities in the other distributions, but the
RH/SuSE one is the biggest.

The current code can already eliminate packages for the wrong
architecture, so it is not necessary to exclude other architectures from
the allowed distribution list.

Does anyone have any ideas about what the best way to handle this is?

James.

--
Email: james@daa.com.au
WWW:   http://www.daa.com.au/~james/

On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Daniel Veillard wrote:

> > The distributions page allows you to place ratings on the different
> > distributions that are indexed on the rpmfind server.  It also allows you
> > to specify your favourite mirror.  If you are using the www.redhat.com
> > metadata server (the default for binary distributed with RH6).  On the
> > other hand, if you use the larger rpmfind.net server, there are about 90
> > distributions, so you may want to give the rpmfind code some hints as to
> > what to pick (for a start, if you are using a red hat based distribution,
> > set the SUSE distributions in the list to -1, so they don't get chosen).
> > If you want, don't even worry about this page.
>
>   James,
>
>  my analysis of the feedback I got from rpmfind users tends to prove that
> it's a not well know feature. Maybe a simplistic default option like
> "fetch only from the iinstalled distribution" turned on by default would
> avoid troubles. This would also I guess cover distributors concerns, and
> avoid them having the default setup pointing to a reduced metadata base
> like RedHat did for 6.0.
>  Then being able to pick in a menu a set of other distribs and "add them"
> would allow "experienced users" to have a richer set to choose from (however
> source package queries should really search the full set).
>
> Daniel
>
> --
> Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes  | Today's Bookmarks :
> Tel : +33 476 615 257  | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind,
> Fax : +33 476 615 207  | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML,
> http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe.
>

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  --------------2DA7C501E8A8A07C285D3313-- From rafat@kcsnet.org Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 24309 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:29:48 -0000 Received: from kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (dns2.kcsnet.org [195.226.238.228]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA24788 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:29:36 -0400 Received: from aliabdin ([195.226.238.240]) by kcsmail.kcs.org.kw (Netscape Messaging Server 3.01) with SMTP id 365; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:22:00 +0300 Message-ID: <029401beded9$6ca0ce60$eceee2c3@aliabdin> Reply-To: "Ali Abdin" From: "Ali Abdin" To: "Roberto Suarez Soto" Cc: References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990804142309.A1443@cheetah.darkland.es> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:13:14 +0300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Try gedit :) it's pretty lightweight :) The're also GXedit and gnotepad+ to my knowledge ----- Original Message ----- From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 3:23 PM Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! > On Aug/03/1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > Office Suite > > Someone needs to code it. An office suite is a major effort. Millions > > of lines of code, that is. > > I would be very pleased if I only had a text editor with text > formatting capabilities. The ones that I know (StarOffice, WP, even > Netscape) are too big for such a thing. I think that some WordPad kind of > thing would be very fine. > > (If there's something like that, please tell me and O:-)) > > BTW, a simple but I guess that difficult question for improving > GNOME would be less memory needs. I find some applets (eg, drivemount, > clockmail) to eat too much memory. But maybe that's only because I don't > know what is required for a thing like that, maybe that memory needs are > justified :-) Forgive my ignorance if this' the case O:-) > > -- > Roberto Suarez Soto | My yellow in this case is not so mellow > mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | In fact I'm trying to say > * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | It's frightened like me > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 29406 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:35:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:35:10 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25387 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:35:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id UAA11461; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:35:04 -0400 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) In-Reply-To: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I agree. This is a good idea. One thing would be this: if the menus/launchers were clickable at the edge, one would assume that they'd look it. This would look strange. I'm not sure how this would be fixed. the other thing is, I use the pinning effect on that edge (I think it's actually 2 pxls) to get the panel right click menu (I use a corner panel with no arrows and a 0pxl padding between things. --Ben On Tue, 3 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > edge of the screen. > > This makes the panel less usable. > > There were no replies to my original point. This is exactly the kind > of small improvement the new Gnome UI project is aiming for, so could > we maybe discuss this? All I got were replies talking about radically > redoing everything, which were pretty useless of course. > > Could someone of the developers respond as to whether making usage of > the pinning effect by extending the launcher buttons to the edge of > the screen is desired? > > I suppose that for persons who know how to code this, it would be a > matter of minutes to do a rapid hack on the panel to change the > launchers. So, what about a little reaction? Am I that boring? All I'd > like to hear from you is basically "We don't care" or "We care". > > mawa > -- > I'm continually AMAZED at th'breathtaking effects of WIND EROSION!! > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jobezone@localhost.localdomain Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 32381 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:38:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:38:20 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA25669 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:38:04 -0400 Received: from lisas8-p50.telepac.pt (HELO localhost.localdomain) (194.65.251.51) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 4 Aug 1999 17:39:23 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199908042238.SAA04147@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 01:37:28 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@localhost.localdomain From: Eduardo Silva To: Federico Mena Quintero Subject: Re: Folder Icons Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, ama@act.qc.ca On 04-Aug-99 Federico Mena Quintero wrote: [snip] > Sigh, I already explained how to do this. To quote myself: Maybe it should be more visible or easier to find. I didn't know about this also, and I use GNOME for months...:) Eduardo > >> Go to the Edit menu. Select Preferences. Go to the Caching page. Should it be on Caching? Newbie Users(and some normal users(me!)) would think that the Caching Page is nothing of interest, so never go there, and not find an option with great interest to them. Design the menus with users in mind, don't design them for you!;) Eduardo <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From m-blaustein@sjca.edu Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 2575 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:41:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:41:22 -0000 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26005 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:41:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain.sjca.edu (209-122-199-114.s368.tnt4.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [209.122.199.114]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with SMTP id UAA01094 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:41:19 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14248.56783.6585.542908@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:41:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Michael Blaustein To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: how to play audio cd X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Hello, I suspect this difficulty is not specific to gnome, but certain gnome components seem to be involved. I'm running gnome with the latest rpms from Redhat 6.0. Sound events, x11amp all work fine. Gtcd starts and indicates that it is playing an audio cd (and the light on the cd bay lights up), but there is no sound. Esd says it is on autostandby, but the problem is not solved by placing it explicitly into standby state. Any suggestions? Thanks -- Michael Blaustein m-blaustein@sjca.edu From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 9212 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:47:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:47:30 -0000 Received: from mailout04.btx.dtag.de (mailout04.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.152]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26571 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:47:28 -0400 Received: from fwd03.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.163]) by mailout04.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CBgt-0004TT-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:47:27 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.103]) by fwd03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:47:24 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12444 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:00:10 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:00:09 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome Message-ID: <19990805020009.A12392@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> <19990804140426.C1374@cheetah.darkland.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990804140426.C1374@cheetah.darkland.es>; from Roberto Suarez Soto on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:04:26PM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:04:26PM +0200 +++ Roberto Suarez Soto e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > El día 02/Aug/1999, Daniel Weber escribía: > > > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for > > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server > > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... > > No, PLEASE, no (spam|25-line-signature|4-quoted-messages|flame-war) > full newsgroups about GNOME :-) The news system should be destroyed in spite > of humanity mental health. Mailing lists are faster, easier, and above all, > you have more control of the people that write in them. Much better, in my > opinion. The only advantage that a newsgroup would have is that you don't > have to have a mail account, but ... doesn't everybody have one, nowadays? >:-) > > Sorry if I'm too wrong or too exaggerated, but my newsgroups > experience has been quite awful O:-) D'oh. Mailing lists don't scale. Have you ever contemplated that a mailing list server needs to mail every ingoing mail out to everyone on the list? BTW, there is a German-language alt Gnome newsgroup. International posters seem to kick in there from time to time. I think we should maybe set up an alt.comp.gnome group or similar. mawa -- > Err...X isn't an OS and it never will be. No, but it is pretty good evidence for why embedding a GUI in an OS is neither necessary nor desirable. -- Kent Paul Dolan From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 12246 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:51:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:51:55 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n35.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26737 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:51:53 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id CAA27820 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:54:06 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:54:06 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990803003041.B3205@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:30:42AM +0200 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.10 On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:30:42AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > as a *user* of gnome here's what i think is necessary for Gnome (remember > > this is an opinion ;-) ): > > > > Applications/Applets: > > > > Office Suite > > Someone needs to code it. An office suite is a major effort. Millions > of lines of code, that is. There's a Gnome Workshop project (with no less than 3 word processor attempts, which I think is a bit unfortunate). > > > Easier to use dial up control > > Just *how* much easier do you want it to get? You've got gnome-ppp and > the Modem Lights applet, what's the problem? It can and should be easier to set up. I haven't looked at gnome-ppp for a while, but last time I checked it was not possible to do the whole setup from within gnome-ppp. Nowadays with most ISPs you only need three bits of information: phone number, login name, password. All other data is pretty standard. Gnome-ppp should at least be able to ask for these three, and set things up accordingly. (Okay, I guess it should also be told where to find the modem device.) However, the user guide says: --- Although gnome-ppp attempts to make configuring a PPP connection as easy as possible, there are still several files that need to be edited as superuser (root) for gnome-ppp to work properly. gnome-ppp itself is not a set-user-id program, nor does it have any helper programs that pose any security risk. gnome-ppp uses the permissions of the /usr/sbin/pppd program, which the user of gnome-ppp must have permission to execute. --- So the novice user reboots to windows. > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > icons or the mount applet. I think some autodetection is possible. And it should be allowed to take floppies out whenever there is no disk activity (I think that's possible when you set nosync in /etc/fstab, but I haven't tried it yet). It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear whenever a new file is created, etc.). > > > UI: > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. Of course this is possible. Just copy the directory tree of the system menu, and add entries to the local copy. These entries would override the entries of the system menu. Upgrades will still show up (except for updates of overridden entries). An upgrade that changes the menu tree a lot would make a mess, but such upgrades shouldn't really be needed. Ronald From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 12325 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 00:52:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 00:52:00 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA26741 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 20:51:59 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem20.webtribe.net [194.164.194.20]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA25937; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:53:09 GMT Message-ID: <003801bededb$ba753480$14c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "Michael Blaustein" , References: <14248.56783.6585.542908@localhost.localdomain> Subject: Re: how to play audio cd Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:44:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > I suspect this difficulty is not specific to gnome, but certain gnome > components seem to be involved. I'm running gnome with the latest > rpms from Redhat 6.0. Sound events, x11amp all work fine. Gtcd > starts and indicates that it is playing an audio cd (and the light on > the cd bay lights up), but there is no sound. Esd says it is on > autostandby, but the problem is not solved by placing it explicitly > into standby state. CD's aren't anything to do with ESD. All the computer does is starts the CD playing which seems to be working. Is there a lead connecting your CD drive to the soundcard, and is CD-audio turned up in something like Gmix? Iain From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 13880 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 01:22:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:22:09 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n35.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA29595 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:22:07 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id DAA27960 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:24:21 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:24:21 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805032421.B27603@win.tue.nl> References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <37A75A2C.1658A088@cabletron.com> <19990804021959.B4505@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990804021959.B4505@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:19:59AM +0200 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.10 On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 02:19:59AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 05:07:56PM -0400 +++ > Matt Herbert e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > > > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > > > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > > > > > > > Why is this impossible? This doesn't seem like it should be that difficult. > > First the code would read in the menu's from the system area. Then it > > would check the user's home directory, and add any new entries into the > > menu tree that were found. Then display the menu. Obviously the user's > > settings would have precedence over the system menu's. > > But isn't this what we've already got if you display the user menus > and the system menus together (this is configurable)? Where can I configure this? I briefly looked but couldn't find it. The obvious place would be in the Global properties of the panel, but it doesn't seem to be there. > > > This would allow Joe Average User to open up the menu editor, and change > > something about the gnorpm entry. The menu editor would then save a whole > > new gnorpm entry in the users home directory (say .gnome/apps/System/gnorpm.desktop), > > which would override the settings of the system entry. > > What's the point? Anyway, if the system administrator changes the > position of the gnorpm binary or removes it altogether, what happens > to all the entries pointing into empty space now? The point is that people want to be able to change those system menu entries! A user should be allowed to decide that the GnomeICU menu entry would have a much more logical place in the Internet submenu, than among the network applets. And if a user doesn't use half of the applications appearing in the system menus, why not allow him to take those out? Entries pointing into empty space are hardly a problem. You will have the same problem with the current User menus. > > > It may also make sense to add a new "Special=delete" entry to the menu > > item, so If a user wanted to completely remove gnorpm from their menu, > > they would be able to delete it via the menu editor, which would create > > a gnorpm.desktop file in the user's home directory, with the special setting, > > and thus not show the gnorpm menu entry at all. > > > > Granted, I don't know C, but I do know perl, and I can picture exactly how > > the code would work. Maybe I'm missing something, but this seems like > > it would be a relatively easy change. > > > > This addition would be very nice. It would allow a user to change their > > menu entries to suit their own personal needs, -and- still allow them > > to see changes to the system menus. All without having to su to root. > > All fine and dandy, but I think there are more important issues than > this perennial topic of discussion on this list. It's OK the way it > is. Even what you mention is but a fine tweak with both advantages and > disadvantages. If you think so, then maybe you should confine yourself to discussions about the more important issues. The proposed tweak adds natural flexibility. In the current situation users wonder "Why can't I?" and there is no good reason why they can't. Ronald From eldamitri@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 14198 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 01:22:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:22:36 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (f21.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA29617 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:22:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 57460 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 01:22:04 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805012204.57459.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.252.61.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:22:03 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.252.61.136] From: "Scott Haug" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: how to play audio cd Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:22:03 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed It isn't a gnome issue, but strangely enough this was dealt with on this list about a week or so ago. You can follow the thread here. http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-list/1999-July/0782.shtml To diagnose the problem, we need to know more. First of all, can you get cd's to play with your hardware set up at all? Do you dual boot to windows and, if so, does it work there? What type of soundcard do you have? What sound driver are you using (OSS or ALSA)? As the other poster mentioned, have you checked your hardware connections and volume levels in a mixer application? I have similar problems with my linux system. My soundcard is an Ensoniq AudioPCI, and I was told that it is likely a driver issue. The OSS drivers (at least the one's that come with the kernel) are broken WRT cd audio, but that the ALSA drivers work. Unfortunately, I haven't had time to install the ALSA drivers yet, so I can't comment on whether or not that fixed my problem. Good luck! -Scott >From: "Iain" >To: "Michael Blaustein" , >Subject: Re: how to play audio cd >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:44:50 +0100 > > > I suspect this difficulty is not specific to gnome, but certain gnome > > components seem to be involved. I'm running gnome with the latest > > rpms from Redhat 6.0. Sound events, x11amp all work fine. Gtcd > > starts and indicates that it is playing an audio cd (and the light on > > the cd bay lights up), but there is no sound. Esd says it is on > > autostandby, but the problem is not solved by placing it explicitly > > into standby state. > >CD's aren't anything to do with ESD. All the computer does is starts the CD >playing which seems to be working. Is there a lead connecting your CD drive >to the soundcard, and is CD-audio turned up in something like Gmix? > >Iain > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From eldamitri@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 28034 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 01:37:12 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com ([209.185.241.125]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA30741 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:37:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 2886 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 01:36:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805013636.2885.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.252.61.136 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 18:36:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.252.61.136] From: "Scott Haug" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 20:36:33 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:54:06 Ronald de Man writes >There's a Gnome Workshop project (with no less than 3 word processor >attempts, which I think is a bit unfortunate). A terrible shame, I agree. > > >It can and should be easier to set up. I haven't looked at gnome-ppp >for a while, but last time I checked it was not possible to do the >whole setup from within gnome-ppp. Nowadays with most ISPs you only >need three bits of information: phone number, login name, password. >All other data is pretty standard. Gnome-ppp should at least be able >to ask for these three, and set things up accordingly. (Okay, I guess >it should also be told where to find the modem device.) >However, the user guide says: > >--- >Although gnome-ppp attempts to make configuring a PPP connection as easy as >possible, there are still >several files that need to be edited as superuser (root) for gnome-ppp to >work properly. gnome-ppp itself is >not a set-user-id program, nor does it have any helper programs that pose >any security risk. gnome-ppp >uses the permissions of the /usr/sbin/pppd program, which the user of >gnome-ppp must have permission to >execute. >--- > >So the novice user reboots to windows. > I've found that the program wvdial does a lot of this setup for me, and is hands-down the easiest dial-up app I've found for linux. It has allowed me to bypass gnome-ppp altogether. It handles modem detection, it determines the correct init strings, it has a heuristic approach for determining how to log in with ppp. Setup is ridiculously simple (so much so, I don't remember now exactly what I needed to do to get it running, but it took less than a minute). The only thing it didn't do that Windows could was determine my DNS dynamically. I now use wvdial with modem-lights on the panel to dial in. Under properties: Connect command: wvdial & Disconnect command: killall wvdial If my isp, modem, or supernatural powers kick me off for whatever reason, wvdial automatically dials back in again. Its pretty nice. Now, if it can work that easily by piecing it together with an unrelated gnome applet, surely it can't be *that* hard to make a gnome-specific app that is even more seemless. I'd volunteer, but it's not one of my itches at the moment, and I've got plenty others that need scratching. I think someone has written a KDE version of it cleverly called kwvdial. I don't know how well it works, since I don't use kde, but I'm sure using wvdial to write gwvdial (or, please God, something with a better name) would make this experience much more pleasant for everyone. BTW, wvdial can be found on freshmeat.net, I believe. > >I think some autodetection is possible. And it should be allowed >to take floppies out whenever there is no disk activity (I think >that's possible when you set nosync in /etc/fstab, but I haven't >tried it yet). > >It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would >automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear whenever >a new file is created, etc.). Someone mentioned using autofs to do this. I don't know much, if anything, about autofs, but the other poster (I believe it was Mr. Cape) mentioned about it being difficult to setup. Would autofs allow for autodetection of floppies, cd-roms, etc., and how hard would it be to write an app to make it easier to use (such as what wvdial does for dial-up connections...)? Thanks for your time, -Scott _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:20 2000 Received: (qmail 11406 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 02:31:40 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA02572 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:31:39 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA21529 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:29:45 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A8F6B5.308AB837@jcinteractive.com> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:28:05 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <19990805013636.2885.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Scott Haug wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:54:06 Ronald de Man writes > >There's a Gnome Workshop project (with no less than 3 word processor > >attempts, which I think is a bit unfortunate). > > A terrible shame, I agree. > > > > > > >It can and should be easier to set up. I haven't looked at gnome-ppp > >for a while, but last time I checked it was not possible to do the > >whole setup from within gnome-ppp. Nowadays with most ISPs you only > >need three bits of information: phone number, login name, password. > >All other data is pretty standard. Gnome-ppp should at least be able > >to ask for these three, and set things up accordingly. (Okay, I guess > >it should also be told where to find the modem device.) > >However, the user guide says: > > > >--- > >Although gnome-ppp attempts to make configuring a PPP connection as easy as > >possible, there are still > >several files that need to be edited as superuser (root) for gnome-ppp to > >work properly. gnome-ppp itself is > >not a set-user-id program, nor does it have any helper programs that pose > >any security risk. gnome-ppp > >uses the permissions of the /usr/sbin/pppd program, which the user of > >gnome-ppp must have permission to > >execute. > >--- > > > >So the novice user reboots to windows. > > > > I've found that the program wvdial does a lot of this setup for me, and is > hands-down the easiest dial-up app I've found for linux. It has allowed me > to bypass gnome-ppp altogether. It handles modem detection, it determines > the correct init strings, it has a heuristic approach for determining how to > log in with ppp. Setup is ridiculously simple (so much so, I don't remember > now exactly what I needed to do to get it running, but it took less than a > minute). The only thing it didn't do that Windows could was determine my > DNS dynamically. I now use wvdial with modem-lights on the panel to dial > in. Under properties: > > Connect command: wvdial & > Disconnect command: killall wvdial > > If my isp, modem, or supernatural powers kick me off for whatever reason, > wvdial automatically dials back in again. Its pretty nice. Now, if it can > work that easily by piecing it together with an unrelated gnome applet, > surely it can't be *that* hard to make a gnome-specific app that is even > more seemless. I'd volunteer, but it's not one of my itches at the moment, > and I've got plenty others that need scratching. I think someone has > written a KDE version of it cleverly called kwvdial. I don't know how well > it works, since I don't use kde, but I'm sure using wvdial to write gwvdial > (or, please God, something with a better name) would make this experience > much more pleasant for everyone. > > BTW, wvdial can be found on freshmeat.net, I believe. > > > > >I think some autodetection is possible. And it should be allowed > >to take floppies out whenever there is no disk activity (I think > >that's possible when you set nosync in /etc/fstab, but I haven't > >tried it yet). > > > >It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would > >automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear whenever > >a new file is created, etc.). > > Someone mentioned using autofs to do this. I don't know much, if anything, > about autofs, but the other poster (I believe it was Mr. Cape) mentioned > about it being difficult to setup. Would autofs allow for autodetection of > floppies, cd-roms, etc., and how hard would it be to write an app to make it > easier to use (such as what wvdial does for dial-up connections...)? > > Thanks for your time, > > -Scott With autofs, you make a "whatever" directory, then edit an "auto.whatever" file in /etc to contain entries which correspond to the mount points you want. You then reference this "auto.whatever" file in "/etc/auto.master". You then fire up autofs, which parses the auto.master file, and then waits for accesses to /whatever/mountpoint (ex: /mnt/local/cdrom). When a process tries to open the directory which corresponds to a mountpoint, the mountpoint is automatically mounted, and the contents "written" to the directory in quesiton. The mount points are unmounted a short time later (5 minutes by default). Once configured, autofs operates *exactly* like Windows/Mac. When a process tries to access a directory which corresponds to a mountpoint somewhere on the filesystem, the mountpoint is automatically mounted and displayed seamlessly. Why distros don't configure autofs during installation is beyond me. Either way, a GNOMEified UI to configure this would be *very* cool. This (merged with a manual mount/fstab editor, and bundled with a configurators for most of the typical system tools and daemons [like printers, Samba, networking, NFS, etc.]) needs to be part of some kind of "GNOME System Administrator" package, similar to (and perhaps sharing the capplet code with) the Control Center. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From martinez@eecs.cwru.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 6920 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 03:09:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 03:09:52 -0000 Received: from alpha.ces.cwru.edu (alpha.CES.CWRU.Edu [129.22.16.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA05111 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:09:52 -0400 Received: from picardo.cwru.edu (picardo [129.22.16.107]) by alpha.ces.cwru.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA00222 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:09:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by picardo.cwru.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id XAA18657; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:09:47 -0400 Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 17:54:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Juan Martinez X-Sender: martinez@picardo.ces.cwru.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: xscreensaver Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:08:49 -0400 (EDT) ReSent-From: Juan Martinez ReSent-To: gnome-list@gnome.org ReSent-Subject: xscreensaver ReSent-Message-ID: Hello, I've got problems with GNOME and xscreensaver. No matter what I do (and I've asked the list before), I can't get this thing to use anything but a RANDOM screensaver. What do I need to do to get this working? It's really annoying to have everything else work properly but not this. Any help would be appreciated. I'm running RedHat 6.0 with the following rpm's: ORBit-0.4.3-3 ORBit-devel-0.4.3-3 control-center-1.0.5-22 control-center-devel-1.0.5-22 control-panel-3.11-2 enlightenment-0.15.5-37 enlightenment-conf-0.15-5 esound-0.2.12-5 esound-devel-0.2.12-5 gedit-0.5.4-1 gedit-devel-0.5.4-1 gftp-2.0.3-1 gicq-0.33-2 glib-1.2.3-1 glib-devel-1.2.3-1 glib10-1.0.6-5 gmc-4.5.36-2 gnome-audio-1.0.0-6 gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-6 gnome-core-1.0.7-2 gnome-core-devel-1.0.7-2 gnome-games-1.0.2-11 gnome-games-devel-1.0.2-11 gnome-libs-1.0.11-1 gnome-libs-devel-1.0.11-1 gnome-linuxconf-0.22-1 gnome-media-1.0.1-3 gnome-network-1.0.2-2 gnome-pim-1.0.8-1 gnome-pim-devel-1.0.8-1 gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-4rh gnome-utils-1.0.1-6 gnorpm-0.8-5 gnotepad+-1.1.4-1 gnumeric-0.27-1 gpm-1.17.5-3 gpm-devel-1.17.5-3 gqview-0.7.0-1 gtk+-1.2.3-1 gtk+-devel-1.2.3-1 gtk+10-1.0.6-5 gtk-engines-0.5-16 gtop-1.0.2-2 imlib-1.9.5-5 imlib-cfgeditor-1.9.5-5 imlib-devel-1.9.5-5 mc-4.5.36-2 mcserv-4.5.36-2 xscreensaver-3.17-1 From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 20916 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 03:21:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 03:21:50 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup558.nni.com [216.107.9.40]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06192 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:21:48 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id XAA04565 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:19:44 GMT Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:19:43 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Display Resloution Help Message-ID: <19990804231943.A4530@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:32:45 mccoy henry wrote: > Hi All, > > I am new to Linux/Gnome. Can someone tell how to > change my display resolution from 1200x800 to 800x600. > Any help would be greatly appreciated. >From a console (alt-ctrl-f1 on many systems) run the program XF86Setup, once your Xserver is setup the way you want it, restart X. - Eric Windisch From cwollam@watson.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 10980 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 03:44:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 03:44:00 -0000 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08120 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:43:59 -0400 Received: from alu.wustl.edu (alu.wustl.edu [128.252.221.182]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id WAA31890 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:43:58 -0500 (CDT) Received: from watson.wustl.edu (watson [128.252.221.108]) by alu.wustl.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA17960 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:41:09 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by watson.wustl.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA10064; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:43:34 -0500 Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:43:34 -0500 (CDT) From: Cliff Wollam To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: libz Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am trying to build gnome-libs-1.0.10 on a pentium machine running redhat 5.2 and I am getting the following error when running the configure script: checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes checking for grantpt in -lpt... no checking for inflate in -lz... no checking for compress in -lz... no configure: error: *** Incorrect libz version found. Please make sure you do not have *** an outdated libz.a or libz.so hiding in your X11 distribution or *** elsewhere on your system. Versions of libz with the compress and *** uncompress symbols are sufficiently recent to build GNOME. According to the info I see gnome-libs needs zlib 1.1.3 and what I have is exactly that version which is what shipped with rh 5.2. Any guesses? Thank you, Cliff From lightmanaj@earthlink.net Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 902 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 04:15:30 -0000 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10182 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:15:29 -0400 Received: from celestra (dialup-209.245.70.170.LosAngeles1.Level3.net [209.245.70.170]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA00703 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:15:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Arthur Jerijian To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Imlib trouble Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:01:16 -0700 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.24] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99080421151907.31428@celestra> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi all, I haven't found an Imlib mailing list, so I hope this is the appropriate place to post my question. I am writing a screen capture utility which uses ImageMagick to perform the screen capture and Imlib (Version 1.9.4 from Rasterman's download area) to render the capture into a GTK window. Everything works fine and dandy, except for one thing. When the user takes a screen capture and saves the file to a temporary file, say /tmp/capture_1000.pnm, Imlib is able to load this file just fine. However, if the image is less than about 200 pixels wide, and the user takes another screen capture and saves it as the same file name, the gdk_imlib_load_image call returns the old image rather than the new one! Am I missing a step somewhere, or should I report this as a bug in Imlib? Thanks, --Arthur From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 28337 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 05:35:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 05:35:36 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA16836 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:35:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA04111; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:43:34 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:43:33 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Arthur Jerijian cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Imlib trouble In-Reply-To: <99080421151907.31428@celestra> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII First of all, have you looked at the gdk_imlib_create_image_from_drawable function, which can be used to do screenshots? As for the problem with getting the previous image, this is caused by imlib's caching system. Rather than rereading the image from disk, it uses the version from memory. If you know that the image will change, you can call the gdk_imlib_changed_image() routine on the GdkImlibImage structure, which will tell imlib not to cache that particular image's data. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Arthur Jerijian wrote: > Hi all, > > I haven't found an Imlib mailing list, so I hope this is the appropriate place > to post my question. > > I am writing a screen capture utility which uses ImageMagick to perform the > screen capture and Imlib (Version 1.9.4 from Rasterman's download area) to > render the capture into a GTK window. Everything works fine and dandy, except > for one thing. When the user takes a screen capture and saves the file to a > temporary file, say /tmp/capture_1000.pnm, Imlib is able to load this file just > fine. However, if the image is less than about 200 pixels wide, and the user > takes another screen capture and saves it as the same file name, the > gdk_imlib_load_image call returns the old image rather than the new one! > > Am I missing a step somewhere, or should I report this as a bug in Imlib? > > Thanks, > --Arthur > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 21230 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 06:10:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 06:10:20 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA19701 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:10:19 -0400 Message-ID: <51FF5036.4791AD14@ntb.ch> Date: Mon, 05 Aug 2013 09:11:50 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Gnome Mailing List Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel > about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders > in the file viewer. The approach is pretty simple, though the file > viewer would have to be adapted to support custom icons. The approach > would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder which would either be > a reference to an icon or maybe even the icon itself. > > Having specific icons for folders in a graphical environment is > actually quite useful. On another platform that I use it helps > me quickly locate my internet tools folder, my development folder > and any other folder that I have felt worthy of a particular > use. > > Andre > That's a really good idea. It whould make life a lot easier, if I could choose a red folder icon this and a blue folder icon for that or even select an arbitrary icon for a certain folder. Hanspeter From zakaria@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 20757 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 07:01:16 -0000 Received: from willamette.cbn.net.id (willamette.cbn.net.id [202.158.3.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id DAA23515 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:01:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 13642 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 07:01:38 -0000 Received: from portland.cbn.net.id (HELO cbn.net.id) (202.158.3.4) by willamette.cbn.net.id with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 07:01:38 -0000 Received: (qmail 2570 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 07:01:42 -0000 Received: from ip24-94.cbn.net.id (HELO 202.158.24.94) (202.158.24.94) by portland.cbn.net.id with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 07:01:42 -0000 Received: (qmail 2333 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 06:55:52 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO telkom.net) (zakaria@127.0.0.1) by 127.0.0.1 with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 06:55:52 -0000 Sender: zakaria@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37A93576.A73BC6EA@telkom.net> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 13:55:50 +0700 From: Zakaria X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: more than one desktop References: <199908021701.TAA29503@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Darius Vainius wrote: > > how one can create more than one desktop (not virtual desktops == 'desktop > areas') in GNOME? > > I'm sure it should be possible to do this, but I couldn't find any answer to > this question neither in FAQs nor in GNOME User's Guide. Unfortunatelly > something like "GNOME HOWTO" doesn't exist at all. > > Darius What you mean desktop != virtual desktop? Could you explain more. -- Zakaria From mhall@riverside.org Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 29878 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 08:03:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:03:35 -0000 Received: from ukiah.riverside.org (postfix@ukiah.riverside.org [199.217.72.204]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA29116 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:03:33 -0400 Received: by ukiah.riverside.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 727F947C3E; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:03:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:03:24 -0700 From: Michael Hall To: GNOME-List Subject: Re: gnome-core & CVS Message-ID: <19990805010324.D29741@riverside.org> Mail-Followup-To: GNOME-List References: <19990803224137.A21854@riverside.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from James Henstridge on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:21:58PM +0800 On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 05:21:58PM +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > Are you using the stable or development branch of gnome-core? If you are > using the head branch (development), it is quite likely that no one has > updated the version number in a while. > > If you have the stable branch, all the applets should still be in > gnome-core. Not using any tags so it should be 'head', just did a quick: $ cvs log -h configure.in RCS file: /cvs/gnome/gnome-core/configure.in,v Working file: configure.in head: 1.189 branch: locks: strict access list: symbolic names: GNOME_CORE_1_0_9: 1.177.2.4 GNOME_CORE_1_0_8: 1.177.2.4 ... and the applets are gone (I had to go get 'gnome-applets') so it appears its the latest, the version number (1.0.5) in 'configure.in' apparently hasn't been updated. -- I sat down beside her, said hello, offered to buy her a drink... and then natural selection reared its ugly head. Mike Hall , ICQ: #37292579, http://www.riverside.org System Administrator (MH993) (*nix, OS/2 certified - C, Perl, CGI hacker) From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 395 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 08:04:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:04:58 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA29230 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:04:58 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA164 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:06:15 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.118]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA178 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:06:13 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA00981 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:13:46 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 00:13:45 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805001345.B751@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990804142309.A1443@cheetah.darkland.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Seelig on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 11:47:58PM +0200 On Aug/04/1999, Paul Seelig wrote: > > Netscape) are too big for such a thing. I think that some WordPad kind of > > thing would be very fine. > > > You might be interested in Ted: "http://www.nllgg.nl/Ted/" and Thanks, I've had a look (it was in my Debian CDs, in fact O:-)) and it's pretty close to what I was looking for :-) The main problem I see with it is that it only supports 4 fonts, but anyway it's small and perfect for light-weight editing needs like mine :-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto | Well I'm standin' next to a mountain mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | Chop it down * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | With the edge of my hand From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 20895 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 08:26:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:26:25 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id EAA30552 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:26:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 23880 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 08:26:22 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-161.insigma.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:26:22 -0000 Received: (qmail 13256 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1999 08:26:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805092621.N5097@insigma.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:26:21 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: when..? Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A135B2.4CE4804B@hem2.passagen.se> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <37A135B2.4CE4804B@hem2.passagen.se>; from Richard Hult on Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 07:18:42AM +0200 On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 07:18:42AM +0200, Richard Hult wrote: [Stable vs. unstable GTK+] > Of course you can use cvs gtk+, what I meant was do not use HEAD, use > the stable branches of glib and gtk+, glib-1-2 and gtk-1-2. > > E.g. cvs -z3 checkout -r glib-1-2 glib I know it's a little late now (and it's probably been said before), but it would really be much clearer if the HEAD were stable. That's always how I've interpreted the methedology of CVS, anyway ... James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From mhall@riverside.org Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 21192 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 08:26:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 08:26:29 -0000 Received: from ukiah.riverside.org (postfix@ukiah.riverside.org [199.217.72.204]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA30562 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 04:26:27 -0400 Received: by ukiah.riverside.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 518E647C3E; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 01:26:24 -0700 From: Michael Hall To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: libz Message-ID: <19990805012623.E29741@riverside.org> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Cliff Wollam on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:43:34PM -0500 On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:43:34PM -0500, Cliff Wollam wrote: > I am trying to build gnome-libs-1.0.10 on a pentium machine running redhat > 5.2 and I am getting the following error when running the configure > script: > checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes > checking for grantpt in -lpt... no > checking for inflate in -lz... no > checking for compress in -lz... no > configure: error: > *** Incorrect libz version found. Please make sure you do not have > *** an outdated libz.a or libz.so hiding in your X11 distribution or > *** elsewhere on your system. Versions of libz with the compress and > *** uncompress symbols are sufficiently recent to build GNOME. > > According to the info I see gnome-libs needs zlib 1.1.3 and what I have is > exactly that version which is what shipped with rh 5.2. > > Any guesses? Look in '/usr/X11R6/lib' (or wherever your X libs are) and see if you have a 'libz.a' in there, if so rename or delete it to get it out of the way. X distributions usually come with it and it may be interfering with the 1.1.3 lib you have installed elsewhere. -- Captain, stop staring at my chest ! - D. Troi Mike Hall , ICQ: #37292579, http://www.riverside.org System Administrator (MH993) (*nix, OS/2 certified - C, Perl, CGI hacker) From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 22459 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 09:18:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 09:18:10 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA01261 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 05:18:10 -0400 Received: (qmail 24028 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 09:18:05 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-130.insigma.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 09:18:05 -0000 Received: (qmail 13555 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1999 09:18:05 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805101805.O5097@insigma.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:18:05 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: ; from Jeremy Wise on Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0400 On Sun, Aug 01, 1999 at 10:39:07PM -0400, Jeremy Wise wrote: > I for one find it a pain to set up my background in Gnome CC, only to have > it overridden by Enlightenment when I restart X. Couldn't that be done by adding some more stuff to the gnome <-> wm interface so they can agree on who gets to control the background? On another gnome / wm issue, while I'm here - is there no way of saying "don't move this window without my permission" to the wm? It really ought to be set for the panels, because otherwise you can drag them around - and then you minimise them with a hide button (or auto-hide for that matter), and they jump back to their original position. Making them immovable by the wm is probably better than making them work happily in their new position, although either would be a hell of lot better - this is a highly confusing mis-feature IMHO. James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 13008 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 10:04:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:04:38 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA05353 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:04:37 -0400 Received: (qmail 24114 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 10:04:32 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-161.insigma.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:04:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 13931 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1999 10:04:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805110432.T5097@insigma.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:04:32 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: newsgroups for gnome Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A62274.86B64020@austin.rr.com> <19990804140426.C1374@cheetah.darkland.es> <19990805020009.A12392@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <19990805020009.A12392@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:00:09AM +0200 On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:00:09AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > I like the mailing lists, but how come I can't find any newsgroups for > > > gnome-related issues? Save a lot of wear and tear on my ISP mail server > > > if gnome had a list of newsgroups.... just my 0.02 worth.... [snip: arguments against] > D'oh. Mailing lists don't scale. Have you ever contemplated that a > mailing list server needs to mail every ingoing mail out to everyone > on the list? It's entirely possible to have a MLM which will distribute load between several servers, thus cutting down bandwidth requirements severely and improving scaleability. It will never scale in the way that Usenet does, of course. I think that we do need newsgroups for GNOME, if only because it's easier for a new user to find a newsgroup than a mailing list. James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 18280 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 10:11:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:11:12 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA05699 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:11:11 -0400 Received: (qmail 24132 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 10:11:10 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-130.insigma.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 10:11:10 -0000 Received: (qmail 13976 invoked by uid 1000); 5 Aug 1999 10:11:09 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805111109.U5097@insigma.com> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:11:09 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> <37A797C2.2C0C8097@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <37A797C2.2C0C8097@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:30:42PM -0500 On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:30:42PM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > > edge of the screen. [snip] > > There were no replies to my original point. > > I have recieved 250+ e-mails regarding GNOME in the past two days, and > am constructing a website nearly from scratch to handle all of this in > the process, under the ostensible goal of updating the existing website, > and then moving it to developer.gnome.org. I will process all requests, > add them to the website, and hopefully respond to all suggestions > personally. If you don't get a response right away, don't worry, thus > far I have only responded to the outlandish or the large scale, and only > added the smaller stuff. Erm ... isn't this precisely what the 'wishlist' category of the buglist is for? If we end up with two distinct lists, this is (a) wasteful, (b) lossy (because most people will only consult one when looking for things to do), (c) confusing. Given that bug reports are sometimes actually feature requests, using the bug tracking system strikes me as the right way of doing this. Having a more accessible, more obvious, wishlist web page generated from this would be a bonus. James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 13160 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 13:14:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:14:12 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21920 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:14:11 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem178.webtribe.net [194.164.194.178]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id NAA05695; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:15:11 GMT Message-ID: <008401bedf43$628f1660$b2c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "Darius Vainius" , References: <199908021701.TAA29503@mpc186.mpibpc.gwdg.de> Subject: Re: more than one desktop Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:41:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > how one can create more than one desktop (not virtual desktops == 'desktop > areas') in GNOME? > > I'm sure it should be possible to do this, but I couldn't find any answer to > this question neither in FAQs nor in GNOME User's Guide. Unfortunatelly > something like "GNOME HOWTO" doesn't exist at all. Both of these are up to your window manager, if I understand you correctly. In E, just use the e-conf program to change the width/height of the desktop (virtual desktops), or the number of desktops. Iain From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 7299 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 13:39:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:39:42 -0000 Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (mailout05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.153]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA24674 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:39:40 -0400 Received: from fwd09.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.169]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CNk2-0008Pl-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:39:30 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.78]) by fwd09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:39:22 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA12668 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:58:33 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:58:33 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl>; from Ronald de Man on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 +++ Ronald de Man e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:30:42AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > as a *user* of gnome here's what i think is necessary for Gnome (remember > > > this is an opinion ;-) ): > > > > > > Applications/Applets: > > > > > > Office Suite > > > > Someone needs to code it. An office suite is a major effort. Millions > > of lines of code, that is. > > There's a Gnome Workshop project (with no less than 3 word processor > attempts, which I think is a bit unfortunate). To me, the only piece of Gnome Workshop that looks like it's making any progress is Gnumeric. The entire Gnome Workshop project looks a bit defunct. [gnome-ppp] > So the novice user reboots to windows. (I don't care about that kind of rhetorics, BTW.) What do you want? Do you want gnome-ppp to be setuid? It would have got to be audited for that, and of course there are already enough setuid programs on an average Linux system, the less, the better. > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > icons or the mount applet. > > I think some autodetection is possible. And it should be allowed > to take floppies out whenever there is no disk activity (I think > that's possible when you set nosync in /etc/fstab, but I haven't > tried it yet). This is not a Gnome issue. > It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would > automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear whenever > a new file is created, etc.). Yes, but that would need periodical rescans, which can generate high I/O traffic. That in turn can mean high network traffic, depending on the system setup. > > > UI: > > > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > > Of course this is possible. Just copy the directory tree of the system > menu, and add entries to the local copy. These entries would override > the entries of the system menu. Upgrades will still show up (except > for updates of overridden entries). An upgrade that changes the menu > tree a lot would make a mess, but such upgrades shouldn't really be > needed. So, let me recapitulate this: You want to have a copy of the system menu tree in every user's home directory. You simply say "shouldn't really be needed" to talk the disadvantage (that the trees could come out of sync w/r/t each other) out of the way. And all that just in order to have the user menu entries and system menu entries intertwined in one menu hierarchy instead of keeping them separated? mawa -- ... and don't worry about your deposits; they're insured to the HILT by Republic Savings and Loan of Lubbock, Texas -- Garrison Keillor, American Radio Company of the Air, Season Finale, "Prairie Home Companion Fourth Annual Revival", 16 June 1990. From dennisb@cs.chalmers.se Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 19765 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 13:52:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:52:35 -0000 Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26312 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:52:34 -0400 Received: from cs.chalmers.se (muppet56.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.157]) by animal.cs.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id PAA21203 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:52:30 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908051352.PAA21203@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:52:27 +0200 (MET DST) From: Dennis Bj|rklund Subject: long lines in gnome-terminal To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Long lines in gnome-terminal does not work. Make a long line, 200 chars or something so that it takes up several lines. And try to edit it. If it works then press enter followed by the up arrow to get the line back and try to edit it again. Since I use long lines quite often (long paths and lots of flags to rpm f.ex.) this is a big problem. I have to use xterm in these cases. -- /Dennis From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 23980 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 13:57:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 13:57:01 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26879 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:57:01 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA21948 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:57:00 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07434 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:56:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199908051356.JAA07434@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 04 Aug 1999 21:28:05 CDT." <37A8F6B5.308AB837@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 09:56:59 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Scott Haug wrote: > I've found that the program wvdial does a lot of this setup for me, and is > hands-down the easiest dial-up app I've found for linux. I second the motion... wvdial is a highly-impressive piece of software. > It has allowed me > to bypass gnome-ppp altogether. It handles modem detection, it determines > the correct init strings, it has a heuristic approach for determining how to > log in with ppp. Setup is ridiculously simple (so much so, I don't remember > now exactly what I needed to do to get it running, but it took less than a > minute). The only thing it didn't do that Windows could was determine my > DNS dynamically. The next version of pppd will be able to do that, with the "usepeerdns" option. wvdial can't do that for you. It is done using a Microsoft "standard" extension to IPCP, which protocol is managed from within pppd. > I now use wvdial with modem-lights on the panel to dial > in. Under properties: > > Connect command: wvdial & > Disconnect command: killall wvdial > > If my isp, modem, or supernatural powers kick me off for whatever reason, > wvdial automatically dials back in again. Its pretty nice. Now, if it can > work that easily by piecing it together with an unrelated gnome applet, > surely it can't be *that* hard to make a gnome-specific app that is even > more seemless. I'd volunteer, but it's not one of my itches at the moment, > and I've got plenty others that need scratching. I think someone has > written a KDE version of it cleverly called kwvdial. I don't know how well > it works, since I don't use kde, but I'm sure using wvdial to write gwvdial > (or, please God, something with a better name) would make this experience > much more pleasant for everyone. OK, I didn't announce this before because I have no schedule for completion, but I'm working on a "gwvdial" (I haven't named it yet, any suggestions please send to me personally). I figured anyone who was going to work on it would contact the wvdial authors and learn from them to talk to me before writing too much code. I also didn't announce it because I'm still thinking about how some pieces are going to work, and because I haven't written a line of code of it yet. (I've been working on groundwork in wvdial itself and in pppd, instead.) *However*, my gwvdial is going to be written to assume the Red Hat Linux standard networking setup, using wvdial in place of chat, and is only going to show wvdial configuration sections that it knows apply to ifcfg files. This may well mean that someone else will want to do a generic "gwvdial" with a different interface. If someone else decides to do this, please contact me, as we will want to share significant chunks of code, such as the WvLog subclass that displays the modem interaction. It may be possible to work out a unified interface that looks similar on Red Hat Linux and derived systems to how it looks on other systems, but my goal is extreme ease of use within our established framework, so I'm going to simply ignore some wvdial options -- "new pppd", for example, I can simply assume on a Red Hat Linux system. There are lots of other examples where I can make a simpler user interface by making these assumptions, and someone writing a more general client might strongly disagree with me on which options to present and who the target user is and how to design the interface... I've tried out kwvdial, and while reading its code can help you figure out how to interface with the wvdial classes, I wouldn't call it's interface brilliant. It's a good first try, IMHO, and gwvdial (or whatever good name someone comes up with...) should be able to improve on it markedly. michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From dennisb@cs.chalmers.se Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 28706 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 14:00:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 14:00:43 -0000 Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA27440 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:00:42 -0400 Received: from cs.chalmers.se (muppet56.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.157]) by animal.cs.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA21949 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:00:33 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908051400.QAA21949@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:00:30 +0200 (MET DST) From: Dennis Bj|rklund Subject: control-center (screensaverlist) To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII The sorting of the screensavers does not work correctly. It sorts on the english names only, which is not good for us in other countries. I don't know if I'm suppost to post this things here. I see a lot of other people posting bugreports here but that does not make it the right thing... -- /Dennis From murphy@erim-int.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 9282 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 14:13:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 14:13:56 -0000 Received: from csd1000a (csd1000a.erim-int.com [155.102.166.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA28758 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:13:51 -0400 Received: from erim-int.com by csd1000a (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id KAA23888; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:12:00 -0400 Message-ID: <37A99C25.237D474E@erim-int.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:13:57 -0400 From: Sean Murphy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Having problems with Gnome References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> <51FF5036.4791AD14@ntb.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This has happened twice to me since I've installed Red Hat 6.0: My Gnome preferences seem to get corrupted. It seems to be precipitated by core dumps of gnome apps that get more frequent until Gnome seems to just die. Two days ago, I was using GRip to rip a couple of audio CD's and the computer locked up HARD. Pointer wouldn't move, CTRL-ALT-Backspace did nothing, CTRL-ALT-DEL did nothing. (Is there any other keystroke combo I could've tried here?) Last night, I had X sort of lock up - the pointer would still move, but I couldn't click anything and couldn't focus any windows, but CTRL-ALT-BACKSP was able to log me out. It then returned me to the gdm login screen where I typed my username/password, the dialog box went away and then nothing. The hard drive chugged for a bit but then there was no activity and I never got into a window manager. I fixed it the same way I fixed it the first time, logged in as root and deleted all the .gnome* files in /home/sean/, logged out, logged back in as sean and proceeded to reconfigure my gnome panel stuff the way it used to - very time consuming! What I'm concerned about is that this seems to just be a temporary fix (at least based on past performance) and that it will probably happen again. Has anyone seen anything like this? I updated all the gnome RPM's about 1.5 months ago when all those new RPM's were released in the RHAD directory (I apologize that I don't have the version numbers, I'm not in front of my linux box at the moment. I can look up anything tongiht if anyone can help me out with this) Thanks, Sean From ahosey@snowcrash.kiva.net Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 11116 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 14:15:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 14:15:02 -0000 Received: from snowcrash.kiva.net (snowcrash.kiva.net [206.97.64.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28833 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:15:01 -0400 Received: (from ahosey@localhost) by snowcrash.kiva.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA09901; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:15:00 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:15:00 -0500 From: Adrian Hosey Message-Id: <199908051415.JAA09901@snowcrash.kiva.net> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: control-center (screensaverlist) Organization: Cc: dennisb@cs.chalmers.se : The sorting of the screensavers does not work correctly. It sorts on : the english names only, which is not good for us in other countries. Oif! If you haven't yet, please submit this as a control-center bug on bugs.gnome.org. I am working on the bug list, although I've been stalled for a couple weeks now. - A From pminton@Patrick.Minton Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 23971 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 14:29:45 -0000 Received: from patrick.amazon.de ([62.144.50.65]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30250 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:29:44 -0400 Received: from amazon.com (pminton@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by patrick.amazon.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA07685 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:27:51 +0200 Sender: pminton@Patrick.Minton Message-ID: <37A99F67.D7452A2E@amazon.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:27:51 +0200 From: Patrick Minton Organization: Amazon.de GmbH X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: error installing e-conf Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, This may be the wrong list; sorry for the spam, but since enlightenment uses tons of gnome stuff, I was hoping someone on this list could help me. When I try to do a make after running ./configure for e-conf, I get the following error: /usr/i486-linux/bin/ld: cannot open -lORBitCosNaming: No such file or directory Does this mean I have to re-install something? If so, what library/module and where can I best get it? I get the following when I try to find that file: root@patrick:~/temp/enlightenment-conf-0.15 > locate ORBitCosNaming /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0 /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0.4.2 /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0 /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0.4.2 If this question is really stupid, sorry again for the spam -- I'm pretty new to the linux world... Thanks, Patrick From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 5967 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 15:29:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 15:29:03 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03811; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:29:03 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA04594; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:02:43 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:02:43 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Funny of the day Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The Amazon.com page for my GNOME book attempts to find an auction item related to the book - book page: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735700788/o/qid=933866237/sr=8-1/002-7809718-0099214 and the auction item: http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y04X3600593X7165842/ref=a_ob_xs_usr/002-7809718-0099214 :-) Havoc From lobo@pop03.pub01 Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 7233 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 15:29:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 15:29:57 -0000 Received: from pop03.pub01 (pop03.mail.com [165.251.32.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03914 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:29:57 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m50.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.178]) by pop03.pub01 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA02014 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:29:54 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop03.pub01 Message-ID: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:23:35 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: UI suggestion: gnome-dock Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top one below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was some discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can on M$ Word). What do you think? -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From jpg2@cec.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 15423 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 15:37:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 15:37:27 -0000 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04656; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:37:26 -0400 Received: from hilton.cec.wustl.edu (jpg2@hilton.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.4]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id KAA15651; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:37:18 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by hilton.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with SMTP id KAA25342; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:37:13 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: hilton.cec.wustl.edu: jpg2 owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:37:13 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamin Philip Gray Sender: jpg2@cec.wustl.edu To: Havoc Pennington cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@gnome.org Subject: Re: Funny of the day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We should start selling Gnome Squeeze Toys on the Gnome Project website. :) > The Amazon.com page for my GNOME book attempts to find an auction item > related to the book - > > book page: > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735700788/o/qid=933866237/sr=8-1/002-7809718-0099214 > > and the auction item: > > http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y04X3600593X7165842/ref=a_ob_xs_usr/002-7809718-0099214 > >:-) > > Havoc > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > ---------------------------------------------------- Jamin Philip Gray jgray@writeme.com http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ "[A wasp] was sucking jam on my plate and I cut him in half. He paid no attention, merely went on with his meal, while a tiny stream of jam trickled out of his severed esophogus. Only when he tried to fly away did he grasp the dreadful thing that had happened to him." --George Orwell From conrad@srl.caltech.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 17572 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 15:39:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 15:39:55 -0000 Received: from vanir.srl.caltech.edu (vanir.srl.caltech.edu [131.215.120.200]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04824 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:39:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (conrad@localhost) by vanir.srl.caltech.edu (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA05271 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:34:15 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: vanir.srl.caltech.edu: conrad owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:34:15 -0700 (PDT) From: Conrad Steenberg To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock In-Reply-To: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For > example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top one > below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the > top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't > stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) > Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was some > discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the > menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can on > M$ Word). What do you think? Uhh... this is already possible with GnomeDock GnomeDockItem and GnomeDockBand (sp?). It is just the convenience functions gnome_app_create_[menus,toolbar] that imposes a bit of interface policy. (And being a real macho hacker, you don't use those convenience functions for big apps like AbiWord right? They are only helpful for very static menus in small apps ;-) Cheers Conrad *-----------------------------------------* | Conrad Steenberg | | Caltech, Mail Code 220-47 | | Pasadena, CA, 91125 | | e-mail: conrad@srl.caltech.edu | | Tel: (626) 395-2964 Fax: (626) 449-8676 | *-----------------------------------------* From jwise@pathwaynet.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 20438 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 15:41:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 15:41:36 -0000 Received: from uruguay.pathwaynet.com (exim@uruguay.pathwaynet.com [216.46.203.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04946; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:41:34 -0400 Received: from [216.46.192.66] (helo=p192-66.gv.pathwaynet.com) by uruguay.pathwaynet.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #1) id 11CPe6-0001Yr-00; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:41:31 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:40:12 -0400 (EDT) From: Jeremy Wise X-Sender: jwise@speedy.wise To: Jamin Philip Gray cc: Havoc Pennington , gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-hackers@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Funny of the day In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII No, we should start selling plush Gnome footprints, just like our logo.. only 3D... Maybe put beans in 'em, make a heart logo with "ti" on it, and sell 'em as beanie feet :) Later, Jeremy Wise +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Jeremy Wise Make every effort to enter | | jwise@pathwaynet.com through the narrow door, | | ICQ #4664755 because many, I tell you, | | http://www.pathwaynet.com/~jwise will try to enter and will | | http://gnomeicu.gdev.net/ not be able to. (Luke 13:24) | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Jamin Philip Gray wrote: > > We should start selling Gnome Squeeze Toys on the Gnome Project website. > >:) > > > The Amazon.com page for my GNOME book attempts to find an auction item > > related to the book - > > > > book page: > > > > http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0735700788/o/qid=933866237/sr=8-1/002-7809718-0099214 > > > > and the auction item: > > > > http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y04X3600593X7165842/ref=a_ob_xs_usr/002-7809718-0099214 > > > > :-) > > > > Havoc > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > ---------------------------------------------------- > Jamin Philip Gray > jgray@writeme.com > http://students.cec.wustl.edu/~jpg2/ > http://www.linuxfreak.com/~jgray/ > > "[A wasp] was sucking jam on my plate and I cut him in half. > He paid no attention, merely went on with his meal, while a > tiny stream of jam trickled out of his severed esophogus. > Only when he tried to fly away did he grasp the dreadful > thing that had happened to him." > > --George Orwell > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 29815 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:19:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:19:05 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08892 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:19:03 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA08986; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:19:29 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. References: <199908011818.NAA14934@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Preben Randhol Date: 05 Aug 1999 18:19:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: Miguel de Icaza's message of "Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:18:48 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 35 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Miguel de Icaza writes: | Hello guys, | | So there I was, watching Animal Planet with a special issue on | Bonobos. Interesting documentary, and it ocurred to me: How can we | make GNOME so simple that even a Bonobo could use it? No. Or in other words what you would end up with would be of no use to anyone except perhaps the bonobo. Actually pigs are/can be "smarter" than chimpanzees. Other than that, I think the user interface can be improved for the average user, but it should not compromise the usability for the "advanced" user. One big improvement that can be fixed is: o Include a help button in all complex dialogs (those more complex then OK dialogs at least) and have it pointed to a easy to understand help page. o Also include help in the Help Menu which points to non-techy documentation of the program and not just About. It would be nice if this could be a required item in the GUI Spec (one could say that in order to reach version 1.0 for a program it needs good documentation.) -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From cwollam@alu.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 6585 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:24:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:24:46 -0000 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09967 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:24:45 -0400 Received: from alu.wustl.edu (alu.wustl.edu [128.252.221.182]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA07388 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:24:44 -0500 (CDT) Received: from watson.wustl.edu (watson [128.252.221.108]) by alu.wustl.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23069 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:21:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from watson.wustl.edu by watson.wustl.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22371; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:24:21 -0500 Sender: cwollam@alu.wustl.edu Message-ID: <37A9BAB5.6D5AFF9B@watson.wustl.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:24:21 -0500 From: Cliff Wollam Organization: Genome Sequencing Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: libz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:43:34PM -0500, Cliff Wollam wrote: > > > I am trying to build gnome-libs-1.0.10 on a pentium machine running redhat > > 5.2 and I am getting the following error when running the configure > > script: > > checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes > > checking for grantpt in -lpt... no > > checking for inflate in -lz... no > > checking for compress in -lz... no > > configure: error: > > *** Incorrect libz version found. Please make sure you do not have > > *** an outdated libz.a or libz.so hiding in your X11 distribution or > > *** elsewhere on your system. Versions of libz with the compress and > > *** uncompress symbols are sufficiently recent to build GNOME. > > > > According to the info I see gnome-libs needs zlib 1.1.3 and what I have is > > exactly that version which is what shipped with rh 5.2. > > > > Any guesses? > > Look in '/usr/X11R6/lib' (or wherever your X libs are) and see if you > have a 'libz.a' in there, if so rename or delete it to get it out of the > way. X distributions usually come with it and it may be interfering with > the 1.1.3 lib you have installed elsewhere. > I did a find starting at root for libz* and the only library I found is the one that should be correct. Thanks Cliff From cwollam@alu.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 9688 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:28:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:28:21 -0000 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10363 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:28:20 -0400 Received: from alu.wustl.edu (alu.wustl.edu [128.252.221.182]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA19899 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:28:19 -0500 (CDT) Received: from watson.wustl.edu (watson [128.252.221.108]) by alu.wustl.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id LAA23202 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:25:30 -0500 (CDT) Received: from watson.wustl.edu by watson.wustl.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA22425; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:27:56 -0500 Sender: cwollam@alu.wustl.edu Message-ID: <37A9BB8C.A2D53888@watson.wustl.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:27:56 -0500 From: Cliff Wollam Organization: Genome Sequencing Center X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; U; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: libz Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:43:34PM -0500, Cliff Wollam wrote: > > I am trying to build gnome-libs-1.0.10 on a pentium machine running redhat > > 5.2 and I am getting the following error when running the configure > > script: > > checking for dlfcn.h... (cached) yes > > checking for grantpt in -lpt... no > > checking for inflate in -lz... no > > checking for compress in -lz... no > > configure: error: > > *** Incorrect libz version found. Please make sure you do not have > > *** an outdated libz.a or libz.so hiding in your X11 distribution or > > *** elsewhere on your system. Versions of libz with the compress and > > *** uncompress symbols are sufficiently recent to build GNOME. > > > > According to the info I see gnome-libs needs zlib 1.1.3 and what I have is > > exactly that version which is what shipped with rh 5.2. > > I ran into this problem too, and if memory serves there is an updated zlib > in the 'update' dir of 5.2 on the redhat sites. You can also try getting the > zlib SRPM (NOT the binary RPM!) from the current 6.0 dir, and recompile > (with rpm --rebuild .src.rpm) > I shall look into these. I did some looking last night though for the source and only found the exact same version I already have. I'll dig further this time and hope I don't end up in the molten core of the earth. Thanks Cliff From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 2671 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:50:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:50:53 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12411 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:50:52 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA20615; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:43:38 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A9BEC0.C0FFFADF@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:41:36 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Warkus CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 +++ > Ronald de Man e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 12:30:42AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > +++ Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 02:54:53PM -0400 +++ > > > jack wallen, jr e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > as a *user* of gnome here's what i think is necessary for Gnome (remember > > > > this is an opinion ;-) ): > > > > > > > > Applications/Applets: > > > > > > > > Office Suite > > > > > > Someone needs to code it. An office suite is a major effort. Millions > > > of lines of code, that is. > > > > There's a Gnome Workshop project (with no less than 3 word processor > > attempts, which I think is a bit unfortunate). > > To me, the only piece of Gnome Workshop that looks like it's making > any progress is Gnumeric. The entire Gnome Workshop project looks a > bit defunct. > > [gnome-ppp] > > > So the novice user reboots to windows. > > (I don't care about that kind of rhetorics, BTW.) What do you want? Do > you want gnome-ppp to be setuid? It would have got to be audited for > that, and of course there are already enough setuid programs on an > average Linux system, the less, the better. The "ideal" situation would be for gnome-ppp to detect if it is in the dip group and then inform the user of this. The dialog might say: "In order to initiate a dialup connection, you must be a member of the "dip" group. This allows you to restrict access to dialup connections to only those users you want to have access." [Add me to the dip group] [Cancel] And the "add me to the dip group" button would launch a GNOME User Manager capplet under the "System Administrator" (see other messages by myself). This would prompt the user for the root password, add them to the group, and the user would be on his/her merry way. > > It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would > > automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear whenever > > a new file is created, etc.). > > Yes, but that would need periodical rescans, which can generate high > I/O traffic. That in turn can mean high network traffic, depending on > the system setup. So check mtab to see if the directory about to be accessed is listed as smbfs or nfs. If it is, then don't use this periodical rescan, or the magic file based icon selector. There is a solution to the problem. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From tim@maths.tcd.ie Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 2792 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:54:15 -0000 Received: from salmon.maths.tcd.ie (mmdf@salmon.maths.tcd.ie [134.226.81.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA12583 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:54:14 -0400 Received: from boole.maths.tcd.ie by salmon.maths.tcd.ie with SMTP id ; 5 Aug 1999 17:54:13 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:54:12 +0100 From: Timothy Murphy To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: (Q) Simple question on dip/slip Message-ID: <19990805175412.D89169@boole.maths.tcd.ie> References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> <51FF5036.4791AD14@ntb.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <51FF5036.4791AD14@ntb.ch>; from HpG on Mon, Aug 05, 2013 at 09:11:50AM +0200 Sender: tim@maths.tcd.ie I have what is probably a very simple problem with GNOME. I have a simple dip script for setting up a SLIP connection. When I run it in a terminal window it works fine. When I try to set up an Application Launcher to run it, it runs and immediately exits, closing the SLIP connection. I guess it has something to do with shells. Any suggestions? The command in the Application Launcher just reads "dip myscript.dip". -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: tim@maths.tcd.ie tel: +353-1-2842366 s-mail: School of Mathematics, Trinity College, Dublin 2, Ireland From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 2912 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:57:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:57:21 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12725 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:57:21 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA12662; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:50:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A9C07A.3FC274B1@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:48:58 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Aylett CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Talking to a wall? (tactless, yet rude:) References: <19990803212359.A2267@audrey> <37A797C2.2C0C8097@jcinteractive.com> <19990805111109.U5097@insigma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Aylett wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 08:30:42PM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > > > > Recently I posted an idea regarding the panel: it would be nice if > > > panel launchers hadn't got that 1-pixel border around that prevents > > > them from being clicked if the mouse pointer is pinned against the > > > edge of the screen. > > [snip] > > > > There were no replies to my original point. > > > > I have recieved 250+ e-mails regarding GNOME in the past two days, and > > am constructing a website nearly from scratch to handle all of this in > > the process, under the ostensible goal of updating the existing website, > > and then moving it to developer.gnome.org. I will process all requests, > > add them to the website, and hopefully respond to all suggestions > > personally. If you don't get a response right away, don't worry, thus > > far I have only responded to the outlandish or the large scale, and only > > added the smaller stuff. > > Erm ... isn't this precisely what the 'wishlist' category of the buglist is > for? If we end up with two distinct lists, this is (a) wasteful, (b) lossy > (because most people will only consult one when looking for things to do), > (c) confusing. > > Given that bug reports are sometimes actually feature requests, using the > bug tracking system strikes me as the right way of doing this. Having a more > accessible, more obvious, wishlist web page generated from this would be a > bonus. > > James Eventually, we will scour the bug reports and copy UI requests to the wishlist. For now, I'm starting to fill in the list with the mailings we've recieved. I hate to break it to you, but the buglist is not the place to discuss new UI features. That's what the gnome-gui list is for :-). We are simply taking the discussions here and formalizing them as requests for features. And while it might seem a bonus from a techincal/manpower point of view, the fact of the matter is that most good UI requests don't come from a single source, but rather lots of sources combined. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From tromey@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 2985 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 16:58:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 16:58:12 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12764 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:58:11 -0400 Received: from ferrule.cygnus.com. (ferrule.cygnus.com [205.180.230.166]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06741; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:58:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ferrule.cygnus.com. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id JAA13652; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:58:08 -0700 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:58:08 -0700 Message-Id: <199908051658.JAA13652@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Tom Tromey To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> X-Zippy: Didn't I buy a 1951 Packard from you last March in Cairo? X-Attribution: Tom >>>>> "Matthias" == Matthias Warkus writes: >> It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would >> automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear >> whenever a new file is created, etc.). Matthias> Yes, but that would need periodical rescans, which can Matthias> generate high I/O traffic. That in turn can mean high Matthias> network traffic, depending on the system setup. Nevertheless it would be nice as an option. The user might know his systems setup well enough to know whether this is worth it. I've heard the occasional rumor of extending Linux so that polling wouldn't have to be done to detect this. If that were done then this functionality would be very cheap for local directories. Tom From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 9752 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 17:04:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 17:04:13 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13145 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:04:13 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id JAA26570; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:56:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A9C1B2.88BDD4FA@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:54:10 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: HpG CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3727@arthur.london.fmco.com> <51FF5036.4791AD14@ntb.ch> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit HpG wrote: > > > > > Gnome being graphic and all, I was wondering how you guys would feel > > about the idea of being able to use your own icons for your folders > > in the file viewer. The approach is pretty simple, though the file > > viewer would have to be adapted to support custom icons. The approach > > would be to have a file '.icon' in the folder which would either be > > a reference to an icon or maybe even the icon itself. > > > > Having specific icons for folders in a graphical environment is > > actually quite useful. On another platform that I use it helps > > me quickly locate my internet tools folder, my development folder > > and any other folder that I have felt worthy of a particular > > use. > > > > Andre > > > > That's a really good idea. > It whould make life a lot easier, if I could choose a red folder icon > this > and a blue folder icon for that or even select an arbitrary icon for > a certain folder. > > Hanspeter This feature is already there. You need to enable it from the Preferences' Caching tab. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 10224 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 17:04:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 17:04:59 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13189 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:04:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id NAA14247; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:04:56 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:04:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Daniel Serodio cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock In-Reply-To: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes. This is particularly usefull on smaller displays. In NS you end up with lots of empty space that can be put to good use if many tool/menu bars are on the same row. --Ben On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For > example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top one > below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the > top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't > stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) > Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was some > discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the > menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can on > M$ Word). What do you think? > > -- > []'s | .^. > Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org > dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org > | /( )\ www.gnome.org > | ^^-^^ > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 252 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 17:25:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 17:25:25 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14765 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:25:24 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom2-081.telepath.com [216.14.2.81]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA19001; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:25:15 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37A9CA28.58AD7814@telepath.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 12:30:16 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jeremy Wise , gnome-list@gnome.org CC: Jamin Philip Gray , Havoc Pennington Subject: Re: Funny of the day References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jeremy Wise wrote: > > No, we should start selling plush Gnome footprints, just like our logo.. > only 3D... Maybe put beans in 'em, make a heart logo with "ti" on it, and > sell 'em as beanie feet :) > How about a mouse pad with the plush gnome foot as a wrist rest? Dennis Lee From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 9826 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 17:30:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 17:30:48 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA15417 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:30:46 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:31:30 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Preben Randhol'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:33:20 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I think a solution would be to use 2 skins for each program. A simple skin and a complex one. There can be an option in gnomecc to set the user into guru mode. LibGlade can help do this. The user would have a simple noncomplex "toaster like" program if they aren't in guru mode, and us guru's get all the advanced features. > -----Original Message----- > From: Preben Randhol [mailto:randhol@pvv.org] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 9:19 AM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Call for constructive user criticism. > > > Miguel de Icaza writes: > > | Hello guys, > | > | So there I was, watching Animal Planet with a special issue on > | Bonobos. Interesting documentary, and it ocurred to me: How can we > | make GNOME so simple that even a Bonobo could use it? > > No. Or in other words what you would end up with would be of no use to > anyone except perhaps the bonobo. Actually pigs are/can be "smarter" > than chimpanzees. > > Other than that, I think the user interface can be improved for the > average user, but it should not compromise the usability for > the "advanced" user. > > One big improvement that can be fixed is: > > o Include a help button in all complex dialogs > (those more complex then OK dialogs at least) > and have it pointed to a easy to understand help page. > > o Also include help in the Help Menu which points to > non-techy documentation of the program and not just About. > > It would be nice if this could be a required item in the GUI Spec (one > could say that in order to reach version 1.0 for a program it needs > good documentation.) > > > -- > Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about > domination, think > [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't > dominate." > [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, > LinuxWorld 1999. > `_) n o m e > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 31991 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 17:56:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 17:56:25 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA17738; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:56:23 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem242.webtribe.net [194.164.194.242]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id RAA10585; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:58:17 GMT Message-ID: <003701bedf6a$eea264a0$f2c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: Cc: "gnome mailing list" Subject: MIME extensions. Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:49:55 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 I was just wondering, if there's any need for the extensions to be case sensitive. ie. is there any case where .xyz isn't the same type of file as .XYZ? Iain From rwb197@ecs.soton.ac.uk Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 6189 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 18:00:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 18:00:49 -0000 Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk [152.78.71.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18304; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:00:46 -0400 Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork [152.78.71.1]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA21702; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:01:27 +0100 (BST) Received: from soolin.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:rwb197@soolin [152.78.71.19]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA20496; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:00:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:00:42 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: Iain cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome mailing list Subject: Re: MIME extensions. In-Reply-To: <003701bedf6a$eea264a0$f2c2a4c2@webtribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Iain wrote: > I was just wondering, if there's any need for the extensions to be case > sensitive. > > ie. is there any case where .xyz isn't the same type of file as .XYZ? > Iain Simple counterexample : .c C source .C C++ source -- Robert From harinath@cs.umn.edu Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 13613 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 18:51:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 18:51:11 -0000 Received: from tiberius.cs.umn.edu (root@mail.cs.umn.edu [160.94.227.200]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23258; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:51:09 -0400 Received: from han.cs.umn.edu (IDENT:root@han.cs.umn.edu [160.94.120.15]) by tiberius.cs.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA07261; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:51:05 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from harinath@localhost) by han.cs.umn.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.0) id NAA25092; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:51:04 -0500 Sender: harinath@cs.umn.edu To: "Iain" Cc: , "gnome mailing list" Subject: Re: MIME extensions. References: <003701bedf6a$eea264a0$f2c2a4c2@webtribe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Raja R Harinath Date: 05 Aug 1999 13:51:04 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Iain"'s message of "Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:49:55 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 "Iain" writes: > I was just wondering, if there's any need for the extensions to be case > sensitive. > > ie. is there any case where .xyz isn't the same type of file as .XYZ? > Iain There is a file naming tradition that uses: .c == C program source .C == C++ program source - Hari -- Raja R Harinath ------------------------------ harinath@cs.umn.edu "When all else fails, read the instructions." -- Cahn's Axiom "Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing." -- Roy L Ash From ahosey@snowcrash.kiva.net Fri May 12 00:03:21 2000 Received: (qmail 27659 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 19:05:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 19:05:56 -0000 Received: from snowcrash.kiva.net (snowcrash.kiva.net [206.97.64.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24674 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:05:55 -0400 Received: (from ahosey@localhost) by snowcrash.kiva.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10764; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:05:54 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:05:54 -0500 From: Adrian Hosey Message-Id: <199908051905.OAA10764@snowcrash.kiva.net> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Funny of the day Organization: Cc: : and the auction item: : : http://auctions.amazon.com/exec/varzea/ts/auction-glance/Y04X3600593X7165842/ref=a_ob_xs_usr/002-7809718-0099214 If I get that for you, Havoc, will you keep it on your desk? - A From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 22000 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 19:38:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 19:38:44 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27834; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 15:38:41 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA22009; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:34:40 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A9E6EC.255116FC@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 14:33:00 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Iain CC: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome mailing list Subject: Re: MIME extensions. References: <003701bedf6a$eea264a0$f2c2a4c2@webtribe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Iain wrote: > > I was just wondering, if there's any need for the extensions to be case > sensitive. > > ie. is there any case where .xyz isn't the same type of file as .XYZ? > Iain I have the suggestion set as "By default, ship with both upper and lower case extensions for all file types which it applies to." The already existing wish to allow the user to edit existing file type extensions will allow for adding the .XYZ where applicable. The website will be update later tonight. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 13473 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:00:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:00:45 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA30082 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:00:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA25892; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:34:22 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:34:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Adrian Hosey cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Funny of the day In-Reply-To: <199908051905.OAA10764@snowcrash.kiva.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Adrian Hosey wrote: > > If I get that for you, Havoc, will you keep it on your desk? > Sure, right next to my stuffed possum. Havoc From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 25967 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:19:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:19:52 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA31956 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:19:51 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA11137 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:17:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A9F100.3A41941C@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 15:16:00 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock References: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Serodio wrote: > > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For > example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top one > below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the > top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't > stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) > Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was some > discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the > menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can on > M$ Word). What do you think? Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the value of it. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 1775 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:36:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:36:16 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00471 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:36:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA26013; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:09:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:09:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Daniel Serodio cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock In-Reply-To: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For Yes you can, can't you? I'm pretty sure you can. Maybe you are looking at a gtkhandlebox application? Havoc From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 7024 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:45:19 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n40.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00987 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:45:16 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id WAA13176 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:47:30 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:47:30 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805224730.A13107@win.tue.nl> References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> <199908051658.JAA13652@ferrule.cygnus.com.> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908051658.JAA13652@ferrule.cygnus.com.>; from Tom Tromey on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 09:58:08AM -0700 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.10 On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 09:58:08AM -0700, Tom Tromey wrote: > >>>>> "Matthias" == Matthias Warkus writes: > > >> It would also be nice if gmc windows (including the desktop) would > >> automatically detect directory changes (so that icons appear > >> whenever a new file is created, etc.). > > Matthias> Yes, but that would need periodical rescans, which can > Matthias> generate high I/O traffic. That in turn can mean high > Matthias> network traffic, depending on the system setup. > > Nevertheless it would be nice as an option. The user might know his > systems setup well enough to know whether this is worth it. > > I've heard the occasional rumor of extending Linux so that polling > wouldn't have to be done to detect this. If that were done then this > functionality would be very cheap for local directories. Isn't it sufficient to periodically check the the date of the last modification of the directory? Doing that once every second should hardly cost anything (certainly not for local directories). It does not and should not check continuously. And a bit of care should be taken with redraws, so that not all icons are redrawn each time a file is added. Ronald From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 17171 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 20:59:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 20:59:34 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n40.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02023 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:59:29 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA13271 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:01:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:01:42 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl> References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990805025833.A12659@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:33AM +0200 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.10 On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:33AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 +++ > Ronald de Man e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > [gnome-ppp] > > > So the novice user reboots to windows. > > (I don't care about that kind of rhetorics, BTW.) What do you want? Do > you want gnome-ppp to be setuid? It would have got to be audited for > that, and of course there are already enough setuid programs on an > average Linux system, the less, the better. Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. > > > > > More simplistic mount/unmout of removable media > > > > > > Same question: how much easier do you want it? You can use desktop > > > icons or the mount applet. > > > > I think some autodetection is possible. And it should be allowed > > to take floppies out whenever there is no disk activity (I think > > that's possible when you set nosync in /etc/fstab, but I haven't > > tried it yet). > > This is not a Gnome issue. Maybe not, but it is easier. > > > > UI: > > > > > > > > Ability for normal user to edit menu entries > > > > > > Impossible. The best thing we could do were to copy the entire > > > system menu over to the home directory and have it edited there. But > > > then upgrades to the system menu's wouldn't reach you any more. > > > > Of course this is possible. Just copy the directory tree of the system > > menu, and add entries to the local copy. These entries would override > > the entries of the system menu. Upgrades will still show up (except > > for updates of overridden entries). An upgrade that changes the menu > > tree a lot would make a mess, but such upgrades shouldn't really be > > needed. > > So, let me recapitulate this: You want to have a copy of the system > menu tree in every user's home directory. You simply say "shouldn't Yes. And just the directory structure, not all the .desktop files. > really be needed" to talk the disadvantage (that the trees could come > out of sync w/r/t each other) out of the way. And all that just in It shouldn't be needed to overthrow the whole global system menu structure of Applications/Games/Graphics/etc. But should that happen, then there's still no real problem. For example let's assume that the global Internet menu entry gets renamed to Networking. If the user has not added any entries to this menu himself, he wouldn't notice any problems. If the user has added some entries, then his entry would stay in the Internet menu, and if that bothers him it's trivial to move it to the new Networking menu. What's the big deal? > order to have the user menu entries and system menu entries > intertwined in one menu hierarchy instead of keeping them separated? Yes. Why should the user be disallowed to edit his menu? It makes a whole lot more sense to have all your multimedia apps under one menu item, instead of having one global multimedia menu, and a separate user multimedia menu. Ronald From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 22321 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:08:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:08:56 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n40.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02759 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:08:54 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id XAA13323 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:11:08 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:11:08 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805231108.C13107@win.tue.nl> References: <37A8F6B5.308AB837@jcinteractive.com> <199908051356.JAA07434@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908051356.JAA07434@tristan.devel.redhat.com>; from Michael K. Johnson on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 09:56:59AM -0400 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.10 On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 09:56:59AM -0400, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > Scott Haug wrote: > > I've found that the program wvdial does a lot of this setup for me, and is > > hands-down the easiest dial-up app I've found for linux. > > I second the motion... wvdial is a highly-impressive piece of software. > > > It has allowed me > > to bypass gnome-ppp altogether. It handles modem detection, it determines > > the correct init strings, it has a heuristic approach for determining how to > > log in with ppp. Setup is ridiculously simple (so much so, I don't remember > > now exactly what I needed to do to get it running, but it took less than a > > minute). The only thing it didn't do that Windows could was determine my > > DNS dynamically. > > The next version of pppd will be able to do that, with the "usepeerdns" > option. wvdial can't do that for you. It is done using a Microsoft > "standard" extension to IPCP, which protocol is managed from within > pppd. The version of pppd that I'm using (2.3.7) already does this. A script automatically updates my /etc/resolv.conf whenever I dial in. Very convenient with multiple dial-in accounts. The script that comes with pppd-2.3.7 seems to be broken though. At least I had to modify it a bit to get it working. So in my experience, all you really need (with most current ISPs) is the phone number, your login name, your password, and /dev/modem should point to the right device. Ronald From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 23760 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:10:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:10:26 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02840; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:10:26 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-35.powerisp.com [199.105.137.35]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id OAA16019; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37A9FC8D.52486B49@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:05:17 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mark@hoist.nlc.net CC: nodatadj@webtribe.net, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: MIME extensions. References: <003701bedf6a$eea264a0$f2c2a4c2@webtribe.net> <37A9E6EC.255116FC@jcinteractive.com> <199908052011.QAA32510@hoist.nlc.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit mark@hoist.nlc.net wrote: > > File extensions should never be trusted. Unix has a command called > "file" which should be used to determine file type. > > The absolute WORST thing about win95 is how it associates an > "extension" with an application. This isn't being considered for > Gnome or GMC, is it?? please god, NO. > > My $.02! > Thanks, > Mark At the moment, file extensions are used. Hopefully, they will be replaced with the actual file type, but before that happens, Gmc needs a way to deal with network mounts intellegently (and turn off things like "file" for a network mount). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From colin.marquardt@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 31377 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:19:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:19:42 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA03864 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:19:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 12420 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 21:19:39 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ashwork.colinathome.de) (145.253.118.4) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:19:39 -0000 Received: from colin by ashwork.colinathome.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11CUhb-0000S3-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:05:27 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: In-Reply-To: Eduardo Silva's message of "Thu, 05 Aug 1999 01:37:28 +0100 (WEST)" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 05 Aug 1999 23:05:27 +0200 Message-ID: <87btcmj5uw.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: Colin Marquardt From: Colin Marquardt * Eduardo Silva writes: > Maybe it should be more visible or easier to find. > I didn't know about this also, and I use GNOME for months...:) That kind of thing is exactly what the new http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/ is for. Please report it there. Cheers, Colin -- Colin Marquardt From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 5139 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:25:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:25:25 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP58.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.68]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA04492 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:25:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04321; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:28:50 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:28:50 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Ronald de Man cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is something I planned to add to gnome-ppp soon, via gsu. I tried compiling gsu out of the most recent gnome-utils, and it appears to be broken. Plus it hasn't been security audited yet. I somehow missed the first half of this discussion. I'll hit the archives and read the earlier part. Cody On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Ronald de Man wrote: > Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. > Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 24314 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:46:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:46:13 -0000 Received: from mailout03.btx.dtag.de (mailout03.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.151]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06495 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:46:12 -0400 Received: from fwd05.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.165]) by mailout03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CVKw-0003rT-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:46:06 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.118]) by fwd05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:45:58 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14858 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:09:39 +0200 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:09:38 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Message-ID: <19990805230938.B14845@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Fox, Kevin M on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:33:20AM -0700 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:33:20AM -0700 +++ Fox, Kevin M e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > I think a solution would be to use 2 skins for each program. A simple skin > and a complex one. There can be an option in gnomecc to set the user into > guru mode. LibGlade can help do this. The user would have a simple > noncomplex "toaster like" program if they aren't in guru mode, and us guru's > get all the advanced features. That sure sounds great, but it would be a huge effort. The kind of suggestion Jim only wants to accept if some people come along with it, willing to code it. And I think Jim is right at that. It would be easier to change the individual applications so they feature user interfaces which are both efficient and easy to use instead of doing huge rewrites separating front-end from back-end and splitting all the features up into two front-ends for each program. mawa -- Die Hälfte aller Deutschen ist unterdurchschnittlich intelligent. From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 29984 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 21:55:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 21:55:02 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07169 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:55:01 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:55:45 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'mawarkus@t-online.de'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 14:57:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually, if libglade were to be used for all programs, you would make = your 2 interfaces with glade (much easier then hand coding by the way) and = have a simple if else statement in your main function to switch between the = two (or more) glade intervaces. Using libglade would make the program 100x = smaller, more flexable, and easier to code. =20 > -----Original Message----- > From: mawarkus@t-online.de [mailto:mawarkus@t-online.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 2:10 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) >=20 >=20 > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:33:20AM -0700 +++ > Fox, Kevin M e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the = break. > > I think a solution would be to use 2 skins for each=20 > program. A simple skin > > and a complex one. There can be an option in gnomecc to set=20 > the user into > > guru mode. LibGlade can help do this. The user would have a simple > > noncomplex "toaster like" program if they aren't in guru=20 > mode, and us guru's > > get all the advanced features. >=20 > That sure sounds great, but it would be a huge effort. The kind of > suggestion Jim only wants to accept if some people come along with = it, > willing to code it. And I think Jim is right at that. >=20 > It would be easier to change the individual applications so they > feature user interfaces which are both efficient and easy to use > instead of doing huge rewrites separating front-end from back-end and > splitting all the features up into two front-ends for each program. >=20 > mawa > --=20 > Die H=E4lfte aller Deutschen ist unterdurchschnittlich intelligent. >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at=20 > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail=20 > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 14481 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 22:17:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 22:17:54 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09151 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:17:54 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k104-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.104]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18142 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 16:17:55 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37AA1066.ED75C979@cyberport.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:29:58 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990804142309.A1443@cheetah.darkland.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: > > Netscape) are too big for such a thing. I think that some WordPad kind of > thing would be very fine. > > (If there's something like that, please tell me and O:-)) Tried Ted? http://tx.us.mirrors.freshmeat.net/appindex/1998/11/08/910524897.html It's supposed to be so much a clone of WordPad that it's even file-compatible with it. -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From pfm2@paddym.res.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 31492 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 22:43:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 22:43:10 -0000 Received: from paddym.res.cmu.edu (root@PADDYM.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.160.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10997 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:43:09 -0400 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu (pfm2@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paddym.res.cmu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA00770; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:06:11 -0400 Sender: pfm2@paddym.res.cmu.edu Message-ID: <37AA18E3.A7622296@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 19:06:11 -0400 From: Patrick Markiewicz Organization: Carnegie Mellon University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Patrick Minton , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: error installing e-conf References: <37A99F67.D7452A2E@amazon.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have a few suggestions. check that the following 2 lines are in the file /etc/ld.so.conf: /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib /usr/lib If they aren't, add them and run (as root): "ldconfig" Also check those files that you located and make sure they are really there. locate needs updated some times and isn't necessarily correct. ( you can run "updatedb" as root to update the locate database). Also they could be broken links. If they are broken links, something might have been installed wrong and then uninstalled and you might have to reinstall ORBit. If that doesn't cover it, I'm not sure. --Patrick > > Hi, > > This may be the wrong list; sorry for the spam, but since enlightenment > uses tons of gnome stuff, I was hoping someone on this list could help > me. > > When I try to do a make after running ./configure for e-conf, I get the > following error: > > /usr/i486-linux/bin/ld: cannot open -lORBitCosNaming: No such file or > directory > > Does this mean I have to re-install something? If so, what > library/module and where can I best get it? I get the following when I > try to find that file: > > root@patrick:~/temp/enlightenment-conf-0.15 > locate ORBitCosNaming > /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so > /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0 > /usr/i486-linux-libc5/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0.4.2 > /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0 > /usr/lib/libORBitCosNaming.so.0.4.2 > > If this question is really stupid, sorry again for the spam -- I'm > pretty new to the linux world... > > Thanks, > > Patrick > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- They say "don't put all your eggs in one basket" but what if you only have one egg? --------------------------------------------------------- Copy this virus to your signature file to help it spread. --------------------------------------------------------- From eldamitri@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 24028 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 23:32:32 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (f50.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.50]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14325 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:32:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 72974 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 23:32:00 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805233200.72973.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.252.61.59 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 16:32:00 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.252.61.59] From: "Scott Haug" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 18:32:00 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed >From: Ronald de Man >So in my experience, all you really need (with most current ISPs) >is the phone number, your login name, your password, and /dev/modem >should point to the right device. Not to beat the same drum again, but wvdial automatically determined which device is the modem, without me having to set the link. So that reduces our requirements by 1! -Scott _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From m.rogers@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 30800 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 23:48:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 23:48:32 -0000 Received: from bastard_machine (mrogers-d.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.32.43]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15219 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:48:28 -0400 Received: from cs.ucl.ac.uk (bastard_machine [127.0.0.1]) by bastard_machine (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00355; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:38:13 GMT Sender: michael@bastard_machine Message-ID: <37A7800E.BB848996@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:49:34 +0000 From: Michael Rogers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Preben Randhol CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: mosquito References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preben Randhol wrote: > > Now that mosquito is in alpha it would be nice to try to compile it at > least, but there are no links to the software on the software > map. Anybody know where one can download a copy to try out? There's no URL because the current version isn't suitable for working on - it's basically just a mutilated version of wm2, which is written in C++. Paul Warren and I want to rewrite mosquito in C, using GTK+, so the version we're playing with bears no resemblance to the finished product. If that doesn't put you off, you can get an out-of-date tarball from www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/students/mrogers/mosquito.tgz, but this doesn't have Paul's changes to save window positions in the session. You could email him for a more up-to-date tarball (pdw@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk). The reason I updated the software map entry was to remove the phrase "based on wm2" from the description - while I was there I changed the current version from "pre alpha" to "alpha", but maybe that was a bit optimistic! ;) Michael Rogers From m.rogers@cs.ucl.ac.uk Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 30880 invoked from network); 5 Aug 1999 23:48:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 23:48:35 -0000 Received: from bastard_machine (mrogers-d.cs.ucl.ac.uk [128.16.32.43]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15221 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:48:31 -0400 Received: from cs.ucl.ac.uk (bastard_machine [127.0.0.1]) by bastard_machine (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00362; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:38:21 GMT Sender: michael@bastard_machine Message-ID: <37A79DEC.343C4C52@cs.ucl.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:57:00 +0000 From: Michael Rogers X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Warkus , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Edges of the screen (Panel suggestion) References: <19990730161702.A24632@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > > In the talkback to my editorial on LinuxToday, someone told me of > www.asktog.com, a site about user interface design. There, I found > this: > > ] Fitts's Law > ] > ] The time to acquire a target is a function of the distance to and size > ] of the target. > ] > ] While at first glance, this law might seem patently obvious, it is one > ] of the most ignored principles in design. Fitts's law dictates the > ] Macintosh pull-down menu acquisition should be approximately five > ] times faster than Windows menu acquistion, and this is proven out. > ] Fitt's law dictates that the windows task bar will constantly and > ] unnecessarily get in people's way, and this is proven out. Fitt's law > ] indicates that the most quickly accessed targets on any computer > ] display are the four corners of the screen, because of their pinning > ] action, and yet they seem to be avoided at all costs by designers. > ] > ] Use large objects for important functions (Big buttons are faster). > ] > ] Use the pinning actions of the sides, bottom, top, and corners of your > ] display: A single-row toolbar with tool icons that "bleed" into the > ] edges of the display will be many times faster than a double row of > ] icons with a carefully-applied one-pixel non-clickable edge along the > ] side of the display. > > I read this and then I tried how Gnome handles this. Surprisingly, > this is an exact description of the Gnome panel. The launchers are not > flush with the edge of the panel, so you can't click a launcher by > simply shoving your mouse pointer against the edge of your screen. Yes I can. ;) The weird thing is, I remember trying this when Mac menus were mentioned a few weeks ago, and it didn't work then. Which version of gnome-core are you using? Michael Rogers From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 22170 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 00:39:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 00:39:40 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17743 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:39:39 -0400 Received: from fwd14.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.174]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CY2s-0001qQ-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:39:38 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.148]) by fwd14.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 02:39:33 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA20612 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:38:04 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:38:04 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Message-ID: <19990806003803.A20609@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Fox, Kevin M on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:57:43PM -0700 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:57:43PM -0700 +++ Fox, Kevin M e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > Actually, if libglade were to be used for all programs, you would make your > 2 interfaces with glade (much easier then hand coding by the way) and have a > simple if else statement in your main function to switch between the two (or > more) glade intervaces. Using libglade would make the program 100x smaller, > more flexable, and easier to code. But it would still mean redoing the interfaces of all the existing programs with Glade. Have you got the manpower to do it? Can you assure that libglade-built interfaces have got all the necessary features? mawa -- Speaking for me, not for Microsoft. Mainly because I don't work for Microsoft. From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 8411 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 01:16:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 01:16:17 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA20247 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:16:16 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m13.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.141]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA03671 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:16:13 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37AA35E0.456228E0@email.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:09:52 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock References: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> <37A9F100.3A41941C@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "James M. Cape" wrote: > > Daniel Serodio wrote: > > > > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For > > example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top one > > below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the > > top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't > > stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) > > Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was some > > discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the > > menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can on > > M$ Word). What do you think? > > Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons > are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of > this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge > gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the > value of it. That's true about mixing menubars with toolbars, but what about 2 toolbars? And what about changing their order? -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From jobezone@localhost.localdomain Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 15906 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 01:41:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 01:41:38 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA21299 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:41:36 -0400 Received: from lisas6-p113.telepac.pt (HELO localhost.localdomain) (194.65.219.114) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 5 Aug 1999 18:43:01 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87btcmj5uw.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 02:40:38 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@localhost.localdomain From: Eduardo Silva To: Colin Marquardt Subject: Re: Folder Icons Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org At the site it points to the gnome-gui-list. Is there where I should report? If not, too late, I'm going to do it anyway:) Eduardo On 05-Aug-99 Colin Marquardt wrote: > * Eduardo Silva writes: > >> Maybe it should be more visible or easier to find. >> I didn't know about this also, and I use GNOME for months...:) > > That kind of thing is exactly what the new > http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/ is for. Please report it > there. > > Cheers, > Colin <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 32098 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 02:13:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 02:13:14 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22861 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:13:13 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-85.powerisp.com [199.105.137.85]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA24716 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:12:14 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AA4415.8B384990@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:10:29 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Folder Icons References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Eduardo Silva wrote: > > At the site it points to the gnome-gui-list. Is there where I should report? > > If not, too late, I'm going to do it anyway:) That's fine, the requests should either go to me personally or to the gnome-gui list. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 3100 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 02:19:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 02:19:18 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23304 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:19:17 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-85.powerisp.com [199.105.137.85]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id TAA04500 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:18:36 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AA4595.C79C89AD@jcinteractive.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 21:16:53 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock References: <37A9AC77.36450DE5@email.com> <37A9F100.3A41941C@jcinteractive.com> <37AA35E0.456228E0@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Serodio wrote: > > "James M. Cape" wrote: > > > > Daniel Serodio wrote: > > > > > > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock toolbars. For > > > example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top one > > > below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the > > > top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't > > > stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) > > > Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was some > > > discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the > > > menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can on > > > M$ Word). What do you think? > > > > Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons > > are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of > > this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge > > gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the > > value of it. > > That's true about mixing menubars with toolbars, but what about 2 toolbars? > And what about changing their order? The Screem Website editor does this now. :-) Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From epg@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 9193 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 02:26:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 02:26:22 -0000 Received: from dethstar.ath.cx (root@port15.oxf.netdoor.com [208.148.218.79]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23930 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:26:20 -0400 Received: by dethstar.ath.cx via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:56:08 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:56:08 -0500 From: "Eric Gillespie, Jr." To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990805205607.B26227@dethstar> Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <37A6399F.656A965D@jcinteractive.com> <19990803131105.A516@audrey> <37A6FA87.EC6DC747@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <37A6FA87.EC6DC747@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500 On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500, James M. Cape wrote: > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. > > And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure the > system to do it automatically. > I don't see what all the complaining about mounting is about. I'm running Debian 2.1 with the official Debian GNOME packages, and when I double-click the cd icon on the desktop it automatically mounts it and then opens up a MC window. To umount you can choose "Unmount" or "Eject" from its context menu. Seems to me that it can't get any simpler than that. -- Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping." --Friedrich Nietzsche From br0ke@math.smsu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 10804 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 02:27:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 02:27:51 -0000 Received: from math.smsu.edu (br0ke@math.smsu.edu [146.7.234.28]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA24034 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:27:50 -0400 From: br0ke@math.smsu.edu Received: (from br0ke@localhost) by math.smsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA07906 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:33:56 -0500 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:33:56 -0500 Message-Id: <199908060133.UAA07906@math.smsu.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock On 06-Aug-99 Daniel Serodio wrote: > "James M. Cape" wrote: >> >> Daniel Serodio wrote: >> > >> > I just noticed that you can't change the order of gnome-dock >> > toolbars. For >> > example, in Netscape, you have 3 toolbars in the top. You can drag the top >> > one also, you can click the grab bar and it folds up. if you fold all 3, they're on the same horizontal field. I think both features cool. >> > below the second and it will stay there. In AbiWord, we have 3 bars on the >> > top, but if you drag the menu to below the toolbar, for instance, it won't >> > stay there. (sorry if that's a little confuse) >> > Don't you guys think we should be able to do it? Also, there was >> > some >> > discussion on the list some time ago about docking the toolbar beside the >> > menubar for instance, or docking 2 menubars on the same row (like you can >> > on >> > M$ Word). What do you think? >> >> Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons >> are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of >> this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge >> gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the >> value of it. > I know that gnome can scale images, why not have the ability to have small toolbar icons? mebbe a global conf in gnomecc that sets the default toolbar behavior to "big" (normal sized) or "small" (scaled to menubar height, keeping the ratio of width to height tho), and if a "big" toolbar is pulled onto a menubar, then it's set as "small" (but just in that single contect, not a global change). Some people like big toolbars, some people like small ones, and some people probably want the ability to pull the toolbar onto the menu. communicator style toolbar 'folding' would be cool to include generically, too, for both toolbars and menus. > That's true about mixing menubars with toolbars, but what about 2 toolbars? > And what about changing their order? > if 2 toolbars can change places (which I think they should be able to), then I think we should be able to do it wiht a single grab/slide, much like moving applets and launchers on the panel (if switched movement is chosen). Yeah, I know this is how IE does it, but I think it's a fairly easy handy way, sorry > -- > []'s | .^. > Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org > dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org > | /( )\ www.gnome.org > | ^^-^^ > > -Erik [http://shells.clipboard.com/~br0ke] The opinions expressed by me are not necessarily opinions. In all probability, they are random rambling, and to be ignored. Failure to ignore may result in severe boredom or confusion. Shake well before opening. Keep Refrigerated. From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 24174 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 02:53:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 02:53:09 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA25215 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:53:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id WAA15814 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:53:08 -0400 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:53:08 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990805205607.B26227@dethstar> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the button on the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject button withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) --Ben On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500, > James M. Cape wrote: > > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > > > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. > > > > And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure the > > system to do it automatically. > > > > I don't see what all the complaining about mounting is about. I'm running > Debian 2.1 with the official Debian GNOME packages, and when I double-click > the cd icon on the desktop it automatically mounts it and then opens up > a MC window. To umount you can choose "Unmount" or "Eject" from its context > menu. Seems to me that it can't get any simpler than that. > > -- > Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com > > "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. > A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, > a dangerous shuddering and stopping." > --Friedrich Nietzsche > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 18542 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 03:49:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 03:49:50 -0000 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de (mailout02.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28133 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:49:49 -0400 Received: from fwd05.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.165]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11Cb0u-0005M0-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:49:48 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.111]) by fwd05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 05:49:39 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id EAA30462 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:55:11 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:55:11 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock Message-ID: <19990806045511.B25047@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908060133.UAA07906@math.smsu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908060133.UAA07906@math.smsu.edu>; from br0ke@math.smsu.edu on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 08:33:56PM -0500 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 08:33:56PM -0500 +++ br0ke@math.smsu.edu e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > I know that gnome can scale images, why not have the ability to have small > toolbar icons? mebbe a global conf in gnomecc that sets the default toolbar > behavior to "big" (normal sized) or "small" (scaled to menubar height, keeping > the ratio of width to height tho), and if a "big" toolbar is pulled onto a > menubar, then it's set as "small" (but just in that single contect, not a global > change). Some people like big toolbars, some people like small ones, and some > people probably want the ability to pull the toolbar onto the menu. > > communicator style toolbar 'folding' would be cool to include generically, too, > for both toolbars and menus. Sounds exactly like the right kind of suggestion for Jim Cape's new Gnome UI Improvement project. http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/ > > That's true about mixing menubars with toolbars, but what about 2 > toolbars? > > And what about changing their order? > > > > if 2 toolbars can change places (which I think they should be able to), then I > think we should be able to do it wiht a single grab/slide, much like moving > applets and launchers on the panel (if switched movement is chosen). Yeah, I > know this is how IE does it, but I think it's a fairly easy handy way, sorry Just that MS does it doesn't mean it's wrong. mawa -- Back in the dark ages BC (Before Computing), there existed a magical device called a Teletype Model 33. This amazing machine contained a shift register out of a motor and a rotor as well as a keyboard ROM consisting solely of levers and springs. -- Steve Oualline From shomer@fmco.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 31857 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 11:09:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 11:09:04 -0000 Received: from CHARON.TORONTO.FMCO.COM (charon4.fmco.com [199.85.124.143]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA17392 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:09:03 -0400 Received: id GAA13866; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 06:11:09 -0400 Received: by gateway id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:06:38 -0400 Message-ID: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A372E@arthur.london.fmco.com> From: Steve Homer To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:06:49 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I've a couple of questions regarding libglade (it sounds too good to be true!) Firstly can you confirm that the user interface is built at runtime from an xml file containing the UI definition. 1) Can the user modify the user interface in a simple manner from a graphical utility. 2) Could multiple UI's be supported selected via meta-data or a preference or .... 3) How much flexibility is given in the modification of the UI. 4) How does Libglade deal with custom widgets as part of the UI. 5) What runtime penalty is incurred from a dynamic UI. If dynamic UI is possible we should definitely push it as a core feature of Gnome. Themeablity to point of the widget placement!!!! Cheers, Steve -----Original Message----- From: mawarkus@t-online.de [mailto:mawarkus@t-online.de] Sent: 05 August 1999 23:38 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: "recipient.list.not.shown" Subject: Re: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:57:43PM -0700 +++ Fox, Kevin M e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > Actually, if libglade were to be used for all programs, you would make your > 2 interfaces with glade (much easier then hand coding by the way) and have a > simple if else statement in your main function to switch between the two (or > more) glade intervaces. Using libglade would make the program 100x smaller, > more flexable, and easier to code. But it would still mean redoing the interfaces of all the existing programs with Glade. Have you got the manpower to do it? Can you assure that libglade-built interfaces have got all the necessary features? mawa -- Speaking for me, not for Microsoft. Mainly because I don't work for Microsoft. -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From allgood@allgood.cx Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 2968 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 12:38:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 12:38:43 -0000 Received: from a00225.cwb.mandic.com.br (root@a00225.cwb.mandic.com.br [200.196.90.225]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22495 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:38:36 -0400 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:8708 "EHLO allgood.cx" ident: "allgood") by highlander.allgood.cx with ESMTP id <254085-885>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:50:38 -0300 Sender: allgood@allgood.cx Message-ID: <37AADA1D.CDBEA59A@allgood.cx> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 09:50:37 -0300 From: Claudemir Todo Bom Organization: My HomePage is at http://www.allgood.cx X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en, Portuguese, cz MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Error on building libglade Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------ADA4CBAA52ECE54E9B4E6E70" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------ADA4CBAA52ECE54E9B4E6E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi everyone, Since gnumeric started needing the libglade, I checked it out from CVS but I'm having troubles on building it, attached is the 'make' output. Best Regards, -- Claudemir Todo Bom Interests/Experiences: Linux, Networks, Netware, Programming PGP KEY: email 'Subject: get pgp key' with *your* key on body --------------ADA4CBAA52ECE54E9B4E6E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; name="libglade.make" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline; filename="libglade.make" cd . && autoheader make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade' Making all in intl make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/intl' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/intl' Making all in po make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/po' PATH=../src:$PATH /usr/bin/xgettext --default-domain=libglade --directory=.. \ --add-comments --keyword=_ --keyword=N_ \ --files-from=./POTFILES.in \ && test ! -f libglade.po \ || ( rm -f ./libglade.pot \ && mv libglade.po ./libglade.pot ) rm -f cat-id-tbl.tmp sed -f ../intl/po2tbl.sed ./libglade.pot \ | sed -e "s/@PACKAGE NAME@/libglade/" > cat-id-tbl.tmp if cmp -s cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; then \ rm cat-id-tbl.tmp; \ else \ echo cat-id-tbl.c changed; \ rm -f ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ mv cat-id-tbl.tmp ./cat-id-tbl.c; \ fi cat-id-tbl.c changed cd . && rm -f stamp-cat-id && echo timestamp > stamp-cat-id make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/po' Making all in macros make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/macros' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/macros' Making all in glade make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/glade' mawk -f ./makekeys.awk < /usr/local/include/gdk/gdkkeysyms.h > ./glade-keys.c cd .. \ && CONFIG_FILES=glade/Makefile CONFIG_HEADERS= /bin/sh ./config.status creating glade/Makefile make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/glade' make[2]: Entering directory 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-I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-gtk.pp -c glade-gtk.c -o glade-gtk.o >/dev/null 2>&1 /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -c glade-tree.c egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-tree.pp -c -fPIC -DPIC glade-tree.c -o glade-tree.lo egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-tree.pp -c glade-tree.c -o glade-tree.o >/dev/null 2>&1 /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -c glade-keys.c egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-keys.pp -c -fPIC -DPIC glade-keys.c -o glade-keys.lo glade-keys.c:1368: warning: no previous prototype for `glade_key_get' egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-keys.pp -c glade-keys.c -o glade-keys.o >/dev/null 2>&1 /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link egcc -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -o libglade.la -rpath /usr/local/lib glade-init.lo glade-sax.lo glade-xml.lo glade-gtk.lo glade-tree.lo glade-keys.lo -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -rdynamic -lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXext -lX11 -lm -L/usr/local/lib -lxml -lz mkdir .libs egcc -shared -Wl,-soname -Wl,libglade.so.0 -o .libs/libglade.so.0.0.0 glade-init.lo glade-sax.lo glade-xml.lo glade-gtk.lo glade-tree.lo glade-keys.lo -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lglib -ldl -lXext -lX11 -lm -L/usr/local/lib -lxml -lz -lc (cd .libs && ln -s libglade.so.0.0.0 libglade.so.0) (cd .libs && ln -s libglade.so.0.0.0 libglade.so) ar cru .libs/libglade.a glade-init.o glade-sax.o glade-xml.o glade-gtk.o glade-tree.o glade-keys.o ranlib .libs/libglade.a creating libglade.la (cd .libs && ln -s ../libglade.la libglade.la) /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=compile egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -c glade-gnome.c egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-gnome.pp -c -fPIC -DPIC glade-gnome.c -o glade-gnome.lo glade-gnome.c: In function `dockitem_new': glade-gnome.c:1061: warning: suggest explicit braces to avoid ambiguous `else' glade-gnome.c:1058: warning: suggest explicit braces to avoid ambiguous `else' glade-gnome.c: At top level: glade-gnome.c:1397: warning: no previous prototype for `glade_init_gnome_widgets' egcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I./.. -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I./.. -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -Wp,-MD,.deps/glade-gnome.pp -c glade-gnome.c -o glade-gnome.o >/dev/null 2>&1 /bin/sh ../libtool --mode=link egcc -O6 -finline-functions -fkeep-inline-functions -funroll-loops -mpentiumpro -mcpu=pentiumpro -march=pentiumpro -malign-loops=2 -malign-jumps=2 -malign-functions=2 -Wall -Wunused -Wmissing-prototypes -Wmissing-declarations -Wpointer-arith -o libglade-gnome.la -rpath /usr/local/lib glade-gnome.lo -rdynamic -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -rdynamic -lgnomeui -lart_lgpl -lgdk_imlib -lSM -lICE -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lXext -lX11 -lgnome -lgnomesupport -lesd -laudiofile -lm -ldb -lglib -ldl -L/usr/local/lib -lxml -lz rm -fr .libs/libglade-gnome.la .libs/libglade-gnome.* .libs/libglade-gnome.* egcc -shared -Wl,-soname -Wl,libglade-gnome.so.0 -o .libs/libglade-gnome.so.0.0.0 glade-gnome.lo -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -lgnomeui -lart_lgpl -lgdk_imlib -lSM -lICE -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lXext -lX11 -lgnome -lgnomesupport -lesd -laudiofile -lm -ldb -lglib -ldl -L/usr/local/lib -lxml -lz -lc (cd .libs && ln -s libglade-gnome.so.0.0.0 libglade-gnome.so.0) (cd .libs && ln -s libglade-gnome.so.0.0.0 libglade-gnome.so) ar cru .libs/libglade-gnome.a glade-gnome.o ranlib .libs/libglade-gnome.a creating libglade-gnome.la (cd .libs && ln -s ../libglade-gnome.la libglade-gnome.la) make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/glade' Making all in doc make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/doc' make templates make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/doc' cd . \ && env CFLAGS="-I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I.." LDFLAGS="-lglade -rdynamic -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -rdynamic -lgnomeui -lart_lgpl -lgdk_imlib -lSM -lICE -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lXext -lX11 -lgnome -lgnomesupport -lesd -laudiofile -lm -ldb -lglib -ldl -L/usr/local/lib -lxml -lz" \ gtkdoc-scanobj --module=libglade /usr/bin/ld: cannot open -lglade: No such file or directory collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Compilation of scanner failed egcc -I/usr/local/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/usr/local/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/local/include/gnome-xml -I.. -o libglade-scan libglade-scan.c -lglade -rdynamic -L/usr/local/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib -rdynamic -lgnomeui -lart_lgpl -lgdk_imlib -lSM -lICE -lgtk -lgdk -lgmodule -lXext -lX11 -lgnome -lgnomesupport -lesd -laudiofile -lm -ldb -lglib -ldl -L/usr/local/lib -lxml -lz make[3]: *** [scan] Error 2 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/doc' make[2]: *** [libglade.hierarchy] Error 2 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade/doc' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/local/src/gnomecvs/libglade' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 --------------ADA4CBAA52ECE54E9B4E6E70-- From berrs@Update.UU.SE Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 3804 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 12:39:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 12:39:11 -0000 Received: from Zeke.Update.UU.SE (4677@Zeke.Update.UU.SE [130.238.11.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22547 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:39:10 -0400 Received: from localhost (berrs@localhost) by Zeke.Update.UU.SE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id OAA25352 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:39:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:39:06 +0200 (MET DST) From: Per Erik Stendahl To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi. I was looking at gnome-core.spec and I saw that it requires xscreensaver. Have I understood this correctly? If gnome-core cannot live without it's screensaver, that's like... having an operatingsystem that cannot live without it's webbrowser! ;-) Seriously, can xscreensaver do the real thing and just "xset dpms"? Cheers. From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 7365 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 12:41:34 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA22733 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:41:30 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA215 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:42:53 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.182]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAB161 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:42:53 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01462 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:24 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990806005124.B1168@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990805101805.O5097@insigma.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990805101805.O5097@insigma.com>; from James Aylett on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 10:18:05AM +0100 X-Organization: The Purple Tentacle Conspiracy On Aug/05/1999, James Aylett wrote: > On another gnome / wm issue, while I'm here - is there no way of saying > "don't move this window without my permission" to the wm? It really ought to Isn't it the "Sticky" option that Enlightenment has? :-m I think it does just what you say :-m -- Roberto Suarez Soto | If I could, I would surrender myself mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | to that which is pure and true * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | - but how do we know? (Steve Vai) From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 23343 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 12:48:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 12:48:07 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA22984 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:48:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 26174 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 12:48:03 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-161.insigma.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 12:48:03 -0000 Received: (qmail 20007 invoked by uid 1000); 6 Aug 1999 12:48:02 -0000 Message-ID: <19990806134802.I15788@insigma.com> Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:48:02 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990805101805.O5097@insigma.com> <19990806005124.B1168@cheetah.darkland.es> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <19990806005124.B1168@cheetah.darkland.es>; from Roberto Suarez Soto on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:51:24AM +0200 On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:51:24AM +0200, Roberto Suarez Soto wrote: > > On another gnome / wm issue, while I'm here - is there no way of saying > > "don't move this window without my permission" to the wm? It really ought to > > Isn't it the "Sticky" option that Enlightenment has? :-m I think it > does just what you say :-m I thought sticky was "glue to front of screen", otherwise known as "exists on all desktops". Certainly doesn't appear to stop me dragging windows around here ... J -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 664 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 13:13:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 13:13:51 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA23986 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:13:50 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA05260; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:14:02 +0200 To: Michael Rogers Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: mosquito References: <37A7800E.BB848996@cs.ucl.ac.uk> From: Preben Randhol Date: 06 Aug 1999 15:14:02 +0200 In-Reply-To: Michael Rogers's message of "Tue, 03 Aug 1999 23:49:34 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 33 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Michael Rogers writes: | Preben Randhol wrote: | > | > Now that mosquito is in alpha it would be nice to try to compile it at | > least, but there are no links to the software on the software | > map. Anybody know where one can download a copy to try out? | | There's no URL because the current version isn't suitable for working on - | it's basically just a mutilated version of wm2, which is written in C++. | Paul Warren and I want to rewrite mosquito in C, using GTK+, so the | version we're playing with bears no resemblance to the finished product. | If that doesn't put you off, you can get an out-of-date tarball from | www.cs.ucl.ac.uk/students/mrogers/mosquito.tgz, but this doesn't have | Paul's changes to save window positions in the session. You could email | him for a more up-to-date tarball (pdw@ferret.lmh.ox.ac.uk). | | The reason I updated the software map entry was to remove the phrase | "based on wm2" from the description - while I was there I changed the | current version from "pre alpha" to "alpha", but maybe that was a bit | optimistic! ;) I see :-) I thought as it went alpha that it was "playable" :-), but I'll wait for next update. :) Btw. are you intending to use the window-dressing of the wm2 or do you intend to make the sought after Gnome Window Manager? -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 12773 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 13:32:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 13:32:24 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25285 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:32:23 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA06028; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:32:48 +0200 To: glade-list@glade.pn.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [ANNOUNCE]: RPMs for Glade 0.5.1 From: Preben Randhol Date: 06 Aug 1999 15:32:48 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 I have built RPMs for the latest Glade 0.5.1. You can get it here: I'm still on holiday, so I might not be able to answer mail before Monday 9. Aug, if you have problems with the RPMs. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From gregm@comstar.net Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 8471 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 14:23:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 14:23:16 -0000 Received: from coco.comstar.net (root@coco.comstar.net [207.15.208.53]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA28884 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:23:15 -0400 Received: from coco (gregm@coco [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by coco.comstar.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04545; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:23:16 -0400 Message-Id: <199908061423.KAA04545@coco.comstar.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Per Erik Stendahl Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? In-Reply-To: Your message of "Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:39:06 +0200." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 10:23:16 -0400 From: Gregory McLean -> -> Hi. -> -> I was looking at gnome-core.spec and I saw that it requires xscreensaver. -> Have I understood this correctly? If gnome-core cannot live without it's -> screensaver, that's like... having an operatingsystem that cannot live -> without it's webbrowser! ;-) -> Thats more a dependency to prevent confused newbies. The control-center/panel/whatachmacallit has an xscreensaver capplet. So installing a capplet without the application will cause confusion. Besides RH includes xscreensaver in the dist so more then likely it will be installed. -> Seriously, can xscreensaver do the real thing and just "xset dpms"? xscreensaver does more then just blank the screen :) -> -> Cheers. -> -> -> -> -- -> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq -> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with -> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -> Gregory McLean |"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." RFC1925 comstar.net inc. | programmer / analyst | icq: ! | 770.485.6016 Work:| Play: or ----------------This is my opinion, All MINE! I tell you------------------ From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 10554 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 14:27:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 14:27:16 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA29188 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:27:02 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26527; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:33:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:33:29 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: "James M. Cape" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock In-Reply-To: <37A9F100.3A41941C@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons > are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of > this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge > gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the > value of it. In my opion these things should be smaller, everything in gnome is too big, especially default buttons, dialogs, etc, I never understood why they are created with so much empty space. This has always been one of my biggest complaints about the look of gnome. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net I only see myself, reflected in your eyes, so all that I belive I am, essentially are lies. -Stabing Westward (shame) From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 25079 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 15:28:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 15:28:02 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA00434 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:28:01 -0400 Received: from fwd13.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.173]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CluZ-00057q-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:27:59 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.12]) by fwd13.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:27:35 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10786 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:20:22 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:20:22 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Where's all the movement? Message-ID: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) I understand that a lot of development is done on Gnome. After all, people work for this full-time. Nevertheless, the overall face and features of Gnome haven't changed much for me in the last few weeks and months. Lots of plans I heard of seem to have been forgot. Not long ago, there was talk of Gnome file dialogs, using GMC as a Bonobo component to do a nice icon view in open dialogs and such. But all that seems to have come to a standstill. Surely that's because GMC development is not a priority anymore, surely it's because we're moving to that new file manager that Miguel has promised? But where is it? Then, there was talk of splitting the functionality of gmc into two parts, like kfm and krootwm do it in KDE. Of course, this, too has been put off. We're waiting for the new file manager, after all. That new file manager seems to be (I'm hypothesising) waiting for Bonobo. Stuff like that... most of the hacking activity seems to go into Bonobo. Perhaps we'll make breakthroughs if Bonobo finally becomes what it's intended to be. Then, a lot of hot air has been created over the soon-to-be GTK window manager for Gnome. Is there actually any effort creating any code which could be of any use soon, or is this window manager thing simply too fragmented? Don't get me wrong, I'm not impatient. Gnome at the moment is already very, very cool. But there was so much talk about so many things which look now like they've gone under in a way. The problem is information, perhaps. There are so many developers busy all day. But it simply doesn't get through to me what they are doing. The GNOME Summary is a great institution and has bettered this. Nevertheless, it basically is a newsletter telling me who has done CVS commits and who has posted what to the mailing list and what has changed on the Web page -- it doesn't give me any additional information about where we are on the road map and what is moving where. GNOME surely moves. I'd like to know which part of it moves, though, as I'd like to be there as a tester and as a translator. mawa -- Warkus' Law of non-24/7 workstation operation: 1. When you boot your workstation in a hurry, at least one filesystem will force an fsck. 2. The filesystems checked will always be the largest ones. From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 14053 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 15:51:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 15:51:06 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02386 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:51:05 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02360 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:51:12 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: Where's all the movement? Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:51:12 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 20 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 933954672 2327 207.175.42.154 (6 Aug 1999 15:51:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 6 Aug 1999 15:51:12 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 6 Aug 1999 11:28:21 -0400, Matthias Warkus wrote: >I understand that a lot of development is done on Gnome. After all, >people work for this full-time. Nevertheless, the overall face and >features of Gnome haven't changed much for me in the last few weeks >and months. >But where is it? You have to be patient. Big things do not happen on a "few weeks" timescale. Things are happening, but it will take a while before they are finished - if you want to see a specific thing happen faster, you have to talk to the person who is working on it and volunteer your help. There is _always_ stuff to do... If you just want to see an impression of activity, subscribe to cvs-commits-list.:) -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 15338 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 15:52:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 15:52:47 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02481 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:52:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA03345; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:26:12 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:26:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where's all the movement? In-Reply-To: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Oops, sorry about that mis-send. Ctrl-X is right by Ctrl-C. Matthias, be patient. A roadmap is forthcoming; we do have a plan. :-) Havoc From bruno@fred.scooby.de Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 21069 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 15:59:44 -0000 Received: from hugo.fen.baynet.de (root@hugo.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03029 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:59:42 -0400 Received: from fred.scooby.de (bruno@dialin-er-59.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.123]) by hugo.fen.baynet.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id RAA15494 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:59:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:02:04 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de Sender: bruno@fred.scooby.de From: Thomas Hedler To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > button on > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > button > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > --Ben Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good behaviour!!! The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. Thomas > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > >> On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500, >> James M. Cape wrote: >> > Matthias Warkus wrote: >> > > >> > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. >> > >> > And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure >> > the >> > system to do it automatically. >> > >> >> I don't see what all the complaining about mounting is about. I'm >> running >> Debian 2.1 with the official Debian GNOME packages, and when I >> double-click >> the cd icon on the desktop it automatically mounts it and then >> opens up >> a MC window. To umount you can choose "Unmount" or "Eject" from >> its context >> menu. Seems to me that it can't get any simpler than that. >> >> -- >> Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com >> >> "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an >> abyss. >> A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous >> looking-back, >> a dangerous shuddering and stopping." >> --Friedrich Nietzsche >> >> >> -- >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at >> http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. --- EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 28226 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:06:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:06:37 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03703 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:06:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id MAA17677; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:06:23 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Thomas Hedler cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Thomas Hedler wrote: > On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > button on > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > button > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > --Ben > > Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the > eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > Obviously not, but If I eject a floppy and windows then trys to access it, it bitches that it's no longer there, but Linux seems not to stop bitching untill I give it the disk back and unmount it. With CDs and Zip disks I'd think (from a ui standpoint) the least the computer could do is try to unmount it when I hit eject. --Be > Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good > behaviour!!! > > The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > Thomas > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500, > >> James M. Cape wrote: > >> > Matthias Warkus wrote: > >> > > > >> > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. > >> > > >> > And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure > >> > the > >> > system to do it automatically. > >> > > >> > >> I don't see what all the complaining about mounting is about. I'm > >> running > >> Debian 2.1 with the official Debian GNOME packages, and when I > >> double-click > >> the cd icon on the desktop it automatically mounts it and then > >> opens up > >> a MC window. To umount you can choose "Unmount" or "Eject" from > >> its context > >> menu. Seems to me that it can't get any simpler than that. > >> > >> -- > >> Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com > >> > >> "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an > >> abyss. > >> A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous > >> looking-back, > >> a dangerous shuddering and stopping." > >> --Friedrich Nietzsche > >> > >> > >> -- > >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > >> http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > >> > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > --- > EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From dduck@bednorz.get2net.dk Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 31481 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:09:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:09:38 -0000 Received: from bednorz.get2net.dk (bednorz.get2net.dk [130.227.3.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04055 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:09:37 -0400 Received: from get2net.dk (p301-050.ppp.get2net.dk [195.82.208.50]) by bednorz.get2net.dk (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA10668 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:09:36 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: dduck@bednorz.get2net.dk Message-ID: <37AB08D5.8F394961@get2net.dk> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:09:57 +0000 From: "Anders S. Johansen" Reply-To: dduck@diku.dk Organization: The Internet Death Cult of Fun X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: The shocking truth about bonobos (humour) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This article on New Scientist describes in graphic details the sexual habits of the bonobo. Not that I mind - I'm a broad-mindede person - but the mental image this projects of the logos for "Bonobo Inside" etc boggles the mind :D http://www.newscientist.com/ns/19990807/queercreat.html A small quote: There is one species, however, in which pleasure and homosexual activity seem undeniably linked. Even the sceptical Clutton-Brock, when asked about this species, the bonobos or pygmy chimpanzees, agrees laughingly, "Oh them, well, they'd probably do anything". -- Anders S. Johansen, Jagtvej 109, 3.tv, 2200 Kbh. N +045 35836565 Wisdom = TANJ + TANSTAAFL From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:22 2000 Received: (qmail 32333 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:10:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:10:09 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04084; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:10:08 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-5d.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.94]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA30065; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:09:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199908061609.RAA30065@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:12:17 +0200 To: gandalf@pobox.com From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-gui-list@gnome.org >> Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons >> are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of >> this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge >> gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the >> value of it. >In my opion these things should be smaller, everything in gnome is too >big, especially default buttons, dialogs, etc, I never understood why they >are created with so much empty space. This has always been one of my >biggest complaints about the look of gnome. Agree. Specially in 800 * 600 Gnome looks "bad". Some people still use that resolution (old 14" monitors, old cards, or notebooks). Proposal: - All apps should have less white space (or the option to have less). - The first step is that every (all, todas) app that has bars must have the options for: text and icons, icons only, text only. Current icons with less white space arround would be nice (no need for small icons, IMHO the problem is the fill areas arround). - Related: all apps should have the preferences menu entry in the same place. Extension: a standar menu map is needed. - Related: preferences window (or any window) should use tabs only if it has few tabs (all can be seen at the same time). Reasons: - Monitor space is finite, the best use it has, the more things we can have at the same time. Other systems have demostrated that Gnome is wasting space (IMHO Unix always liked big monitors and lot of video RAM due this). - Some people like one thing, but not the other thing. It is a GUI, but nobody says that GUI must have icons always. - The menus are a real mess. Preferences and help are two examples of how can a GUI diverge to painful limits. - "Scrolling" tabs is a pain, things seem to be missing, is not the most intuitive thing. A tree in the left, when there is a lot of pages, is a lot better, and allows a logical organization, with parents and childs (and is more expandable in the future). Examples: GTimeTracker (IIRC, I am away from Unix machines now) has the option for text only in bars, as some other apps, but the rest does not. GMC does not (I use MC most of times, less space and more visible functions). Menu standarization is a good thing. I am not saying that every app must have a Foo menu with Bar option. But two apps have the same function in different places and sometimes with different names. Argh! Some apps only have have two or three tabs, and look OK, but others have 5 or more and need scrolling. Bad. Personal rant (PS?): I have being reading some MacOS docs (I am not proposing to follow them) and I realized they not given exact examples ("if your app does this you must put this here" but "look this two examples, one is wrong the other is right, because this and this") but a good set of rules, that everyone follows and then MacOS look & feel is logical (maybe not good, but at least does not changes from app to app like a mad monkey). I hope this is the objetive of this GUI effort, a guide so Gnome apps look like Gnome apps (and nice and useful), not just because it says Gnome Foo in the About window. GSR PS (real ;] ): We should move this to gnome-gui-list. From j.saito@wanadoo.fr Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 6248 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:16:31 -0000 Received: from wanadoo.fr (root@smtp-out-006.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.98]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04714 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:16:30 -0400 Received: from andira.wanadoo.fr [193.252.19.152] by wanadoo.fr for Paris Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:16:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from tnttls17-96.abo.wanadoo.fr (164.138.17.96) by andira.wanadoo.fr; 6 Aug 1999 18:16:40 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:17:31 +0200 (CEST) From: Junichi Saito Sender: junichi@saito To: Claudemir Todo Bom cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Error on building libglade In-Reply-To: <37AADA1D.CDBEA59A@allgood.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Claudemir Todo Bom wrote: >Hi everyone, > >Since gnumeric started needing the libglade, I checked it out from CVS >but I'm having troubles on building it, attached is the 'make' output. > >Best Regards, >-- >Claudemir Todo Bom > >Interests/Experiences: Linux, Networks, Netware, Programming >PGP KEY: email 'Subject: get pgp key' with *your* key on body The following worked for me: ./autogen.sh cd glade make make install cd .. make make install The last time (yesterday) I compiled libglade (from CVS), however, I didn't encouter this problem. j. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 7660 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:17:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:17:55 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA04795 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:17:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA17363; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:25:49 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:25:49 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Steve Homer cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) In-Reply-To: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A372E@arthur.london.fmco.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Yes I can confirm that libglade builds the interface at runtime from an external file (this is how it differs from glade's code generation aproach). It is possible to edit the interfaces with glade, which is probably what you are after. Multiple UIs are possible by loading different XML files (the choice is up to the application). Generally you can modify a GUI quite substantially as long as you don't modify the names of certain key widgets (most libglade programs will create the interface, then get pointers to a number of the widgets by their name). The runtime penalty is generally pretty small. There is the overhead of parsing the XML file, but this is only done once (the output of the XML parser is cached so that you can create a new copy of the interface). For the next version, I have done a bit of work on the XML parser (switched over to the SAX api), which should decrease some of the memory amd speed overhead. The actual building of the interface should take a similar amount of time to a hand coded interface (maybe a bit more, but it is not noticeable). When the interface is constructed, libglade gets out of the way, and does not add any more overhead. I hope this helps answer some of your questions about libglade. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Steve Homer wrote: > I've a couple of questions regarding libglade (it sounds too good to be > true!) > > Firstly can you confirm that the user interface is built at runtime from an > xml file containing the UI definition. > > 1) Can the user modify the user interface in a simple manner from a > graphical utility. > > 2) Could multiple UI's be supported selected via meta-data or a preference > or .... > > 3) How much flexibility is given in the modification of the UI. > > 4) How does Libglade deal with custom widgets as part of the UI. > > 5) What runtime penalty is incurred from a dynamic UI. > > If dynamic UI is possible we should definitely push it as a core feature of > Gnome. Themeablity to point of the widget placement!!!! > > Cheers, > Steve > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 11354 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:21:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:21:03 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05148 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:21:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA17390; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:28:44 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:28:44 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Claudemir Todo Bom cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Error on building libglade In-Reply-To: <37AADA1D.CDBEA59A@allgood.cx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Try getting a newer checkout. I checked in a fix for this, and it does not look like your copy of libglade has the fix in there. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Claudemir Todo Bom wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Since gnumeric started needing the libglade, I checked it out from CVS > but I'm having troubles on building it, attached is the 'make' output. > > Best Regards, > -- > Claudemir Todo Bom > > Interests/Experiences: Linux, Networks, Netware, Programming > PGP KEY: email 'Subject: get pgp key' with *your* key on body From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 13527 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:22:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:22:41 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05303 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:22:38 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA17406; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:30:31 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:30:31 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Per Erik Stendahl cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That dependecy is stale. It should have been moved to the control-center package, along with the control center program. It should probably be fixed. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Per Erik Stendahl wrote: > > Hi. > > I was looking at gnome-core.spec and I saw that it requires xscreensaver. > Have I understood this correctly? If gnome-core cannot live without it's > screensaver, that's like... having an operatingsystem that cannot live > without it's webbrowser! ;-) > > Seriously, can xscreensaver do the real thing and just "xset dpms"? > > Cheers. > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 19563 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:30:17 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA05814; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:30:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id AAA17421; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:38:00 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:38:00 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" cc: gandalf@pobox.com, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-gui-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) In-Reply-To: <199908061609.RAA30065@mail.idec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you do not want text+icons in the toolbar buttons, just change your preferences in the control center (it should be under user interface options, application defaults). As for excessive white space, this is a little harder to fix (and quite a subjective criticism -- I think the spaced out GUI looks quite nice personally). James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero wrote: > >> Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons > >> are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of > >> this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge > >> gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the > >> value of it. > >In my opion these things should be smaller, everything in gnome is too > >big, especially default buttons, dialogs, etc, I never understood why they > >are created with so much empty space. This has always been one of my > >biggest complaints about the look of gnome. > > Agree. Specially in 800 * 600 Gnome looks "bad". Some people still use that > resolution (old 14" monitors, old cards, or notebooks). > > Proposal: > - All apps should have less white space (or the option to have less). > - The first step is that every (all, todas) app that has bars must have > the options for: text and icons, icons only, text only. Current icons with > less white space arround would be nice (no need for small icons, IMHO the > problem is the fill areas arround). > - Related: all apps should have the preferences menu entry in the same > place. Extension: a standar menu map is needed. > - Related: preferences window (or any window) should use tabs only if it > has few tabs (all can be seen at the same time). > > Reasons: > - Monitor space is finite, the best use it has, the more things we can > have at the same time. Other systems have demostrated that Gnome is wasting > space (IMHO Unix always liked big monitors and lot of video RAM due this). > - Some people like one thing, but not the other thing. It is a GUI, but > nobody says that GUI must have icons always. > - The menus are a real mess. Preferences and help are two examples of > how can a GUI diverge to painful limits. > - "Scrolling" tabs is a pain, things seem to be missing, is not the most > intuitive thing. A tree in the left, when there is a lot of pages, is a lot > better, and allows a logical organization, with parents and childs (and is > more expandable in the future). > > Examples: > GTimeTracker (IIRC, I am away from Unix machines now) has the option for > text only in bars, as some other apps, but the rest does not. GMC does not > (I use MC most of times, less space and more visible functions). > > Menu standarization is a good thing. I am not saying that every app must > have a Foo menu with Bar option. But two apps have the same function in > different places and sometimes with different names. Argh! > > Some apps only have have two or three tabs, and look OK, but others have 5 > or more and need scrolling. Bad. > > Personal rant (PS?): > I have being reading some MacOS docs (I am not proposing to follow them) and > I realized they not given exact examples ("if your app does this you must > put this here" but "look this two examples, one is wrong the other is right, > because this and this") but a good set of rules, that everyone follows and > then MacOS look & feel is logical (maybe not good, but at least does not > changes from app to app like a mad monkey). > > I hope this is the objetive of this GUI effort, a guide so Gnome apps look > like Gnome apps (and nice and useful), not just because it says Gnome Foo in > the About window. > > GSR > > PS (real ;] ): We should move this to gnome-gui-list. > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 30885 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 16:41:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 16:41:28 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA06855 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:41:25 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-01.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.2]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA00337; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:40:46 +0100 Message-Id: <199908061640.RAA00337@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:43:12 +0200 To: frantzdb@admin.arhs.net From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >> > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the >> > button on >> > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject >> > button >> > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) >> > --Ben >> Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the >> eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or >> it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) >Obviously not, but If I eject a floppy and windows then trys to access it, >it bitches that it's no longer there, but Linux seems not to stop bitching >untill I give it the disk back and unmount it. With CDs and Zip disks I'd >think (from a ui standpoint) the least the computer could do is try to >unmount it when I hit eject. Put the floppy in sync mode. Add sync to /etc/fstab. That way all floppy actions are done sync, like Windows. Distros for newbies should do that at installation. CDs have a "better" way, they hardware lock the disc. MacOS does this, you must tell the Mac that you want your floppy or CD back (moving the icon to the trash). I have umounted floppies without them in the drive, why did they work? Because I used sync option or waited a minutes (so data was writen) or used the sync cmd (that forces the write). When there is nothing to write, you can retrieve the floppy. Linux bitches because it has not ended to work with the floppy. Imagine you have a truck and somebody drives it away will you are still putting things inside. Ooops, where is the truck? I am sure you want the truck back to put all the cargo, and not just a part (or nothing), imagine the receiver's face when he opens and "the table is here, but where are the chairs? and that lamp is cut in half, I want a full lamp!". GSR From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 32458 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 17:19:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:19:18 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA09658 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:19:16 -0400 Received: from modem-54.name53.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.186.54] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CneC-0002th-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:19:13 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02803 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:15:34 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:15:34 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990806171534.C1047@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl>; from Ronald de Man on Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 11:01:42PM +0200 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Ronald de Man (deman@win.tue.nl) [990805 21:59]: > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:33AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 +++ > > Ronald de Man e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > [gnome-ppp] > > > > > So the novice user reboots to windows. > > > > (I don't care about that kind of rhetorics, BTW.) What do you want? Do > > you want gnome-ppp to be setuid? It would have got to be audited for > > that, and of course there are already enough setuid programs on an > > average Linux system, the less, the better. > > Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. > Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. And so users who are not admins cannot use it??? Don't forget, not all systems are single-user systems, where the user has access to the root account. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 7349 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 17:30:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:30:35 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10505 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:30:34 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-4.powerisp.com [199.105.137.4]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA03291; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:28:43 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB1AE9.6D768D98@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:27:05 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gilbert CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl> <19990806171534.C1047@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gilbert wrote: > > * Ronald de Man (deman@win.tue.nl) [990805 21:59]: > > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:33AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 +++ > > > Ronald de Man e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > > [gnome-ppp] > > > > > > > So the novice user reboots to windows. > > > > > > (I don't care about that kind of rhetorics, BTW.) What do you want? Do > > > you want gnome-ppp to be setuid? It would have got to be audited for > > > that, and of course there are already enough setuid programs on an > > > average Linux system, the less, the better. > > > > Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. > > Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. > > And so users who are not admins cannot use it??? > > Don't forget, not all systems are single-user systems, where the user has > access to the root account. The sysadmin can make the pppd executable -rwsr-x--- owned by root.dip, and add the users who should be allowed to run it to the dip group. And obviously, gnome-ppp should not prompt the user for root permissions if it doesn't need it. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From Fabrice.Bellet@imag.fr Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 13662 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 17:38:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:38:48 -0000 Received: from imag.imag.fr (imag.imag.fr [129.88.30.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA11059 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:38:47 -0400 Received: from pcgrospat.imag.fr (pcgrospat.imag.fr [152.77.201.109]) by imag.imag.fr (8.9.3/8.8.5) with ESMTP id TAA00603 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:38:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from (bellet@localhost) by pcgrospat.imag.fr (8.8.7/jtpda-5.2) id TAA18774 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:38:45 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:38:45 +0200 From: Fabrice Bellet To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: browser-history applet Message-ID: <19990806193845.A18719@imag.fr> Reply-To: Fabrice.Bellet@imag.fr Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.1i X-Operating-System: Linux pcgrospat.imag.fr 2.2.10-ac3 Hi, I propose you to test a new applet suggested by Daniel on his task-list (http://rpmfind.net/veillard/GnomeWeb.html) on improving web integration in Gnome desktop. This is an *appletification* of browser-history (http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/browser-history/), a "client-side X daemon maintaining a browser-independent global history of all the web sites you visited". You can get the package at http://pcgrospat.imag.fr/~bellet/gnome/gnome-browser-history-0.2.tar.gz It needs to be unzipped in the gnome-applets directory from CVS. A patch is provided in this archive to gnome-applets/Makefile.am and gnome-applets/configure.in. Feedbacks and remarks are welcome. Fabrice From Zombie_97@kanaka.net Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 23428 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 17:51:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:51:59 -0000 Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h009.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.198]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12119 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:51:59 -0400 Received: (cpmta 4441 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 10:51:57 -0700 Date: 6 Aug 1999 10:51:57 -0700 Message-ID: <19990806175157.4440.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 6 Aug 1999 17:51:57 GMT Received: from [192.55.23.50] by mail.kanaka.net with HTTP; 06 Aug 1999 10:51:57 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Zombie_97 X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 X-Sent-From: tyler@kanaka.net Subject: GNOME features to detail! I am wondering if there is a way to make the gnome menu bar transparent except for the icons.. I know about changing the bar background to the background of the desktop, but is there a better way to do this? -t From MStearne@EISolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 26341 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 17:54:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 17:54:00 -0000 Received: from mail.webcombo.net (root@mail.webcombo.net [207.250.9.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12320 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:53:59 -0400 Received: from EISolutions.com (PPPa47-ResaleCamden1-3R1060.saturn.bbn.com [4.16.120.154]) by mail.webcombo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13168; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:51:00 -0500 Message-ID: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:54:53 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thomas Hedler wrote: > > On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > button on > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > button > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > --Ben > > Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the > eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > > Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good > behaviour!!! > > The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option of learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD there to unmount it. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. Michael Stearne From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 30820 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 18:00:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:00:01 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA12670 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 13:59:59 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-4.powerisp.com [199.105.137.4]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA17930; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB2139.E5C61BDD@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 12:54:01 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Fabrice.Bellet@imag.fr CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: browser-history applet References: <19990806193845.A18719@imag.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Fabrice Bellet wrote: > > Hi, > > I propose you to test a new applet suggested by Daniel on his task-list > (http://rpmfind.net/veillard/GnomeWeb.html) on improving web integration > in Gnome desktop. This is an *appletification* of browser-history > (http://www.inria.fr/koala/colas/browser-history/), a "client-side X daemon > maintaining a browser-independent global history of all the web sites you > visited". > > You can get the package at > http://pcgrospat.imag.fr/~bellet/gnome/gnome-browser-history-0.2.tar.gz > It needs to be unzipped in the gnome-applets directory from CVS. A patch > is provided in this archive to gnome-applets/Makefile.am and > gnome-applets/configure.in. > > Feedbacks and remarks are welcome. > > Fabrice There is a wish concerning a browser-history library at [http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/software/libs/browser-history.shtml]. The idea is that all applications can use a single history (or portions of a repository), which also adds Netscape's history. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 5226 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 18:05:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:05:44 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13091 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:05:43 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-4.powerisp.com [199.105.137.4]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA03349; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:03:06 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB22F8.F073B055@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:01:28 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zombie_97 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME features to detail! References: <19990806175157.4440.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zombie_97 wrote: > > I am wondering if there is a way to make the gnome menu bar transparent except for the icons.. I know about changing the bar background to the background of the desktop, but is there a better way to do this? > > -t There is a work being done on a transparent GTK+ theme that should do just that (as well give transparency to everything else GTK+). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 14274 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 18:11:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:11:46 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA13468 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:11:45 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-4.powerisp.com [199.105.137.4]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id LAA13566; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 11:07:18 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB23F5.81B4552C@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:05:41 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Stearne CC: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Stearne wrote: > > Thomas Hedler wrote: > > > > On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > > button on > > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > > button > > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > > --Ben > > > > Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the > > eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > > > > Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good > > behaviour!!! > > > > The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > > something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? > > Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option of > learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by > locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and > unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just > be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD > there to unmount it. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there > is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by > another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. > > Michael Stearne Just because it's on a Mac doesn't mean it's right. You drag things to the Trash Can to Delete them, and the Trash can is the single-most used example of flaws in the Mac's UI. I'm not going to copy it (or suggest we copy it) just because some bizzare Mac users are used to deleting their floppies to eject them. (Me personally, I would logically expect that dragging a disk (whether it's hard, floppy, networked, or CD) icon onto a Trash Can would at the very least delete everything on the disk, and more likely reformat it.) Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From bp@virginia.edu Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 21435 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 18:49:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:49:59 -0000 Received: from mail.virginia.edu (mail.Virginia.EDU [128.143.2.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15588 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:49:59 -0400 Received: from unix.mail.virginia.edu by mail.virginia.edu id aa00995; 6 Aug 99 14:49 EDT Received: from rivendell (Dialin1155.cstone.net [204.71.8.155]) by unix.mail.Virginia.EDU (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA55022 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:49:56 -0400 From: Bryan Pfaffenberger To: "Gnome-List@Gnome. Org" Subject: Undelete VFS in GMC? Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:50:44 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Does gmc implement the mc undelete fs? tried /#undel:hda5 ; got a message from the undelfs, but it's an error dialog: "Could not open file:/dev/hda5." thanks, Bryan From murphy@erim-int.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 22265 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 18:51:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 18:51:09 -0000 Received: from csd1000a (csd1000a.erim-int.com [155.102.166.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA15733 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:51:08 -0400 Received: from erim-int.com by csd1000a (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id OAA25057; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 14:49:13 -0400 Message-ID: <37AB2EA5.8B929DA0@erim-int.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:51:17 -0400 From: Sean Murphy X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> <37AB23F5.81B4552C@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Even though I'm a long-time Mac user, I'd have to agree with James in that it isn't logical at all to drag a disk to the trash to eject. It would make more sense if performing that operation would bring up a dialog window asking if you wish to reformat the disk and give you options as to what type of file system you would like to format it with (FAT32, HFS, EXT2, etc). Is anyone attempting to make this happen? I think it would be a pretty useful feature, although maybe I'm alone on this. I would like to see gnome go the way of Mac as far as auto-mounting disks. I love the fact that when you put a disk in on the Mac, an icon pops up on the desktop and the icon can be clicked on and used. If there is no disk in the drive, there isn't an icon on the desktop. When I started using Windows, I couldn't believe how stupid the computer was! It had no idea whether the disk was installed or not, and file system browser is constantly displaying the floppy and CD-ROM drives even when there is no disk in them. What good does it do to have an icon of a drive that has no disk in it? "James M. Cape" wrote: > Michael Stearne wrote: > > > > Thomas Hedler wrote: > > > > > > On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > > > button on > > > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > > > button > > > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > > > --Ben > > > > > > Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the > > > eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > > > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > > > > > > Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good > > > behaviour!!! > > > > > > The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > > > something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > > > How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? > > > > Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option of > > learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by > > locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and > > unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just > > be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD > > there to unmount it. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there > > is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by > > another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. > > > > Michael Stearne > > Just because it's on a Mac doesn't mean it's right. > > You drag things to the Trash Can to Delete them, and the Trash can is > the single-most used example of flaws in the Mac's UI. I'm not going to > copy it (or suggest we copy it) just because some bizzare Mac users are > used to deleting their floppies to eject them. > > (Me personally, I would logically expect that dragging a disk (whether > it's hard, floppy, networked, or CD) icon onto a Trash Can would at the > very least delete everything on the disk, and more likely reformat it.) > > Jim Cape > http://www.jcinteractive.com > > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them > pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." > -- Winston Churchill > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 7124 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:12:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:12:26 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n41.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.40]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17367 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:12:23 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id VAA18495 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:14:38 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:14:38 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990806211438.A18460@win.tue.nl> References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl> <19990806171534.C1047@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990806171534.C1047@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk>; from Tom Gilbert on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 05:15:34PM +0000 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.10 On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 05:15:34PM +0000, Tom Gilbert wrote: > * Ronald de Man (deman@win.tue.nl) [990805 21:59]: > > On Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:58:33AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:54:06AM +0200 +++ > > > Ronald de Man e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > > > [gnome-ppp] > > > > > > > So the novice user reboots to windows. > > > > > > (I don't care about that kind of rhetorics, BTW.) What do you want? Do > > > you want gnome-ppp to be setuid? It would have got to be audited for > > > that, and of course there are already enough setuid programs on an > > > average Linux system, the less, the better. > > > > Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. > > Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. > > And so users who are not admins cannot use it??? > > Don't forget, not all systems are single-user systems, where the user has > access to the root account. Setting up ppp is something for root. If a user doesn't have root permission, he should ask root to set up ppp for him. That's the way it is now, and that's how it should remain (IMO). Ronald From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 11736 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:19:47 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18072 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:19:40 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem47.webtribe.net [194.164.194.47]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id TAA03986; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:20:19 GMT Message-ID: <005801bee03f$8c7398a0$2fc2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "Michael Stearne" , Cc: References: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:11:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, Users have to learn things, a computer is not a simple object like a television and so there is, and should be a learning process involved. > they should have the option of > learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by > locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and > unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just > be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD > there to unmount it. And whats wrong with having an unmount command in the menu? > There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there > is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by > another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. And it doesn't make it right either. Hmm, "Lets see, I want my disk back, so I'll drag it to the place that I drag stuff when I want it deleted." Not exactly the most logical of things is it? Iain From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 13532 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:20:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:20:49 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18230 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:20:49 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.93] (ip93.ifx.net [206.25.218.93]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18125; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:18:42 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908062018.QAA18125@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:20:38 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "Tom Gilbert" , Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Tom Gilbert (gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk)'s email of 08/06/99 13:15 said: >> Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. >> Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. > >And so users who are not admins cannot use it??? > >Don't forget, not all systems are single-user systems, where the user has >access to the root account. You simply CANNOT get around the fact that when you toss this variable into the mix, the system administrator WILL have to learn something about system administration at this point. If I were paying hourly for internet access through a PPP provider (as I do in Japan), I would not want my users to be able to dial up my ISP without my explicit permission. I did, in fact, run a dial-up workstation on which three people were authorized to use my internet account, and three others had their own settings and scripts to access their own accounts. This was done through scripting pppd to use different chat-scripts with different permissions. Each was able to use "modem-lights" or some other GUI utility to control their dialup access, simply by referencing the correct bash script. How would you handle a mixed-permissions scenario like this within GNOME? Not with any tools less flexible than pppd and bash, that's for sure. You can do it with a GUI, true, but it'll still be more complicated than GNOME-ppp ought to be, and will still have a learning curve. The graphical tool to do this (if anyone feels like coding it) should be powerful and flexible, and kept well separate from the basic one-user dialup tool. It should also make your configurations available from environments other than GNOME, including a shell prompt. It should, in short, essentially be a glorified pppd script editor, as a best-case scenario.:) GNOME-ppp, on the other hand, probably shouldn't be targeted to fill this role (and if it is, there should be another separate dialer to handle the simpler tasks). My two yen... -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 15209 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:22:03 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou2.iglou.com [192.107.41.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA18322 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:22:01 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.179] (helo=lou-ts7-73.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11CpZ0-0005tA-00; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:21:58 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:25:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990806211438.A18460@win.tue.nl> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Setting up ppp is something for root. If a user doesn't have root > permission, he should ask root to set up ppp for him. That's the > way it is now, and that's how it should remain (IMO). > > Ronald this just doesn't make sense to me. the new user, wanting to use Linux for their desktop OS, doesn't want to have to muck around with priveleges and the like. yes, that's a linux issue of course i know that - but that's the very attitude that's keeping the new users away from Linux in the first place. no matter how close and dear Linux is to those using it - you gotta make it simple if you want to entise new users. and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that philosophy. J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- Bart: Dad, you killed the Zombie Flanders! Homer: He was a zombie? Treehouse of Horror III From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 1791 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:39:32 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19907 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:39:31 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.93] (ip93.ifx.net [206.25.218.93]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA18660; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:37:13 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908062037.QAA18660@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:39:08 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "Michael Stearne" , cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Michael Stearne (MStearne@EISolutions.com)'s email of 08/06/99 13:54 said: >Thomas Hedler wrote: >> On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: >> The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn >> something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > >How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? > >Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option of >learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by >locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and >unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just >be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD >there to unmount it. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there >is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by >another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. A few points: * Users WILL always have to learn things, like it or not. As a program designer, you can make it easier or harder to learn things, but you cannot realistically (and SHOULD not, even if you could) make a program with a flat learning curve. To see an example of why not, check out the Interface Hall of Shame's review of Apple's QuickTime 4.0 media player. They limited themselves to the constraints of a physical handheld device, and in doing so, completely made the whole concept of viewing video on your computer useless. It's possible to write applications that are _easy to learn_, and this we should aim for: include "memory pointers" to help remember things, constrain user choices when possible to prevent error, etc. etc. etc. But it's _not_ such a wise idea to try to eliminate innovation altogether. * The "drag to trash" metaphor to eject disks is (as pointed out by many usability experts, including Apple's design team themselves these days) the worst part of its interface. Think about what the metaphor SHOULD mean: to drag a filesystem to the trash should DELETE it, if it is to remain consistent. We can copy many ideas from Apple, but this is certainly not among them. Far better would be to simply have "eject disk" be one of the choices in the contextual menu. And, if I recall correctly, it is now. * Floppies are obsolete. Some people don't believe me, but I got mad at its shortcomings one day and swore never to use them again, and yanked the floppy drives out of all my workstations. I forced myself to find alternatives, and the alternatives I found have been much, much more convenient than that 3.5" square of shit has ever been. I don't think anyone should center any major new technologies around the floppy drive, including GNOME's method of managing removable media. I think it's reasonable to settle for the "eject" choice in the contextual menu, as stated above, and if your floppy drive doesn't support locking mechanisms and software ejects, the user can cope with those shortcomings until they're so inconvenienced that they upgrade to 120mb SuperDisk or better. Call me a heretic. Linux itself doesn't run on old obsolete hardware without memory management. (Caveat: some people hack it to this, but it's exactly that: a hack.) At some point, you have to declare old broken (by today's standards) technologies dead, and move on. This one thing we _must_ copy from Apple: they know when it's time to move on to something newer. -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 5792 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:43:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:43:04 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20170 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:43:03 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-4.powerisp.com [199.105.137.4]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA11622; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:38:25 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB394F.73B871@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:36:47 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "jack wallen, jr" CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > > > Setting up ppp is something for root. If a user doesn't have root > > permission, he should ask root to set up ppp for him. That's the > > way it is now, and that's how it should remain (IMO). > > > > Ronald > > this just doesn't make sense to me. the new user, wanting to use Linux > for their desktop OS, doesn't want to have to muck around with priveleges > and the like. yes, that's a linux issue of course i know that - but > that's the very attitude that's keeping the new users away from Linux in > the first place. > > no matter how close and dear Linux is to those using it - you gotta make > it simple if you want to entise new users. and there is absolutely > nothing wrong with that philosophy. Only Root Should Set Up PPP. Breaking multi-user Unix to satisfy some debatable single-user "ease-of-use" grail is *not* an option. If the user needs to be root to do something, then prompt him for the root password to do that something. It's that simple. If he doesn't want to give the root password again, then explain to him how he can get around it (in the pppd case, explain how to set the permissions to be -rwsr-x---, and make it owned by root.dip -- users who wish to use ppp should be added to the dip group). Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 15045 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:51:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:51:42 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20730 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:51:41 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-4.powerisp.com [199.105.137.4]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id MAA08655; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:48:38 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB3BB4.B22837F5@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 14:47:00 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sean Murphy CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> <37AB23F5.81B4552C@jcinteractive.com> <37AB2EA5.8B929DA0@erim-int.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sean Murphy wrote: > > Even though I'm a long-time Mac user, I'd have to agree with James in that it > isn't logical at all to drag a disk to the trash to eject. It would make more > sense if performing that operation would bring up a dialog window asking if > you wish to reformat the disk and give you options as to what type of file > system you would like to format it with (FAT32, HFS, EXT2, etc). Is anyone > attempting to make this happen? I think it would be a pretty useful feature, > although maybe I'm alone on this. > > I would like to see gnome go the way of Mac as far as auto-mounting disks. I > love the fact that when you put a disk in on the Mac, an icon pops up on the > desktop and the icon can be clicked on and used. If there is no disk in the > drive, there isn't an icon on the desktop. When I started using Windows, I > couldn't believe how stupid the computer was! It had no idea whether the disk > was installed or not, and file system browser is constantly displaying the > floppy and CD-ROM drives even when there is no disk in them. What good does > it do to have an icon of a drive that has no disk in it? Well, the ability to check to see if a disk/cd/zipdisk/whatever is in the drive is really the system's job. If there is a way to check if any of these media types is in the drive, the system should do it, and GNOME should use it. But until there is, GNOME should not foist anything onto the system. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 15753 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:51:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:51:59 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20748 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:51:59 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.179] (helo=lou-ts7-73.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11Cq20-0003q7-00; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 15:51:57 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:55:43 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37AB394F.73B871@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i can agree with this of course. i think, if i remember correctly, that anytime in KDE that a user tried to do something that only had root priveleges they were prompted for the root password - is that being implimented into gnome? > Only Root Should Set Up PPP. > > Breaking multi-user Unix to satisfy some debatable single-user > "ease-of-use" grail is *not* an option. > > If the user needs to be root to do something, then prompt him for the > root password to do that something. It's that simple. > > If he doesn't want to give the root password again, then explain to him > how he can get around it (in the pppd case, explain how to set the > permissions to be -rwsr-x---, and make it owned by root.dip -- users who > wish to use ppp should be added to the dip group). > > Jim Cape > http://www.jcinteractive.com > > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them > pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." > -- Winston Churchill > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > J A C K W A L L E N, J R. get jack'd @ techrepublic.com get L I N U X or get lost ----- Bart: Dad, you killed the Zombie Flanders! Homer: He was a zombie? Treehouse of Horror III From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 20982 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 19:59:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 19:59:31 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21314 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:59:30 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.93] (ip93.ifx.net [206.25.218.93]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA19247; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:57:05 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908062057.QAA19247@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 15:59:00 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "jack wallen, jr" cc: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" jack wallen, jr (jlwallen@iglou.com)'s email of 08/06/99 15:25 said: >> Setting up ppp is something for root. If a user doesn't have root >> permission, he should ask root to set up ppp for him. That's the >> way it is now, and that's how it should remain (IMO). >> >> Ronald > >this just doesn't make sense to me. the new user, wanting to use Linux >for their desktop OS, doesn't want to have to muck around with priveleges >and the like. yes, that's a linux issue of course i know that - but >that's the very attitude that's keeping the new users away from Linux in >the first place. What exactly is your goal? Would you like to see the power and flexibility of Linux in the hands of every man? Would you like to make it easier to learn? Easier to remember? More efficient to operate? Or would you like to strip it of its power and flexibility by hiding all its features and making it stupid, to leave only one big red button in the middle of the screen that says "do my taxes, print my resume, walk the dog, and pick the kids up from soccer"? If you want the former, please join us in designing (and hopefully developing) tools that DO make Linux more accessible and easier to learn. If all you want is the latter, your platform awaits: use MacOS. No, I don't mean that to be snide or offensive; if you check the headers of this email you will see that I'm TYPING this on Claris Emailer in MacOS. I use it, I like it, and I think it's a lot more stable and useful than people give it credit for. My point is that you shouldn't want to take features away from users (to include ownership and permissions); you should be helping us SOLVE the problem of how to make them easily learned and accessible to new users. >no matter how close and dear Linux is to those using it - you gotta make >it simple if you want to entise new users. and there is absolutely >nothing wrong with that philosophy. Patently false. I didn't learn how to drive by doing it in a padded arena. I didn't learn how to walk by living in a playpen. I didn't learn how to read and write by only having access to ten of the twenty-six letters. And I didn't learn how to use Unix by clicking on "My Computer." Nor should we hide anything. If anything, the point of GNOME should be to make all the wonderful features of Linux easily accessible, rather than hiding it behind a cryptic command line; not to get rid of them. Restriction is not the answer, good design is the answer. In this case, you should be more interested in helping decide how to represent various permissions to the user (and how to tell them nicely, "you can't use PPP because the person who owns this box doesn't want you to") rather than just saying "permissions are a bad idea; we should hide them." So, got a better idea for handling PPP permissions? -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 27391 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22214 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:11:39 -0400 Received: from fwd02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.162]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CqL3-0008Dh-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:11:37 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.163]) by fwd02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:11:27 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11318 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:45:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:45:25 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock Message-ID: <19990806184525.A11286@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37A9F100.3A41941C@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from gandalf@pobox.com on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 10:33:29AM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 10:33:29AM -0400 +++ gandalf@pobox.com e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > > > Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons > > are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of > > this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge > > gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the > > value of it. > In my opion these things should be smaller, everything in gnome is too > big, especially default buttons, dialogs, etc, I never understood why they > are created with so much empty space. This has always been one of my > biggest complaints about the look of gnome. Could you be more specific, please? Then we can maybe determine whether this can be addresses with a GTK+ theme or whether it's an actual problem with Gnome. mawa -- Matthias Warkus | mawa@iname.com | Dyson Spheres for sale! It's sad to live in a world where knowing how to program your VCR actually lowers your social status... From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 27398 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 20:11:40 -0000 Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22215 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:11:39 -0400 Received: from fwd02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.162]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CqL2-00018x-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:11:36 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.163]) by fwd02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:11:23 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA11325 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:48:36 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:48:36 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Message-ID: <19990806184836.B11286@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908061609.RAA30065@mail.idec.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from James Henstridge on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 12:38:00AM +0800 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 12:38:00AM +0800 +++ James Henstridge e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > If you do not want text+icons in the toolbar buttons, just change your > preferences in the control center (it should be under user interface > options, application defaults). As for excessive white space, this is a > little harder to fix (and quite a subjective criticism -- I think the > spaced out GUI looks quite nice personally). So do I. Big buttons and big icons are easier to hit with the mouse anyway. mawa -- - Guten Tag, mein Name ist Greiser, von der Hamburg-Alzheimer. Ich wollte Ihnen etwas verkaufen... hm... - Eine Lebensversicherung? - Richtig, eine Lebensversicherung. Welcher Tag ist heute eigentlich? From rekle@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 20638 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 20:55:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 20:55:19 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (wya-lfd105.hotmail.com [207.82.252.169]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA25188 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 16:55:18 -0400 Received: (qmail 43632 invoked by uid 0); 6 Aug 1999 20:54:47 -0000 Message-ID: <19990806205447.43631.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 208.2.195.83 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 06 Aug 1999 13:54:46 PDT X-Originating-IP: [208.2.195.83] From: "Richard Ekle" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 16:54:46 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed One problem I've had at times is that my CD-ROM drive gets stuck closed and I can't open it even if it's not mounted! (And it's not the CDROM itself because it never does this in Windows). Any ideas as to what may be causing this? Rick >From: Thomas Hedler >Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de >To: gnome-list@gnome.org >Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:02:04 +0200 (MEST) > >On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > button on > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > button > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > --Ben > >Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the >eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > >Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good >behaviour!!! > >The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn >something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > >Thomas > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > > > >> On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500, > >> James M. Cape wrote: > >> > Matthias Warkus wrote: > >> > > > >> > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. > >> > > >> > And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure > >> > the > >> > system to do it automatically. > >> > > >> > >> I don't see what all the complaining about mounting is about. I'm > >> running > >> Debian 2.1 with the official Debian GNOME packages, and when I > >> double-click > >> the cd icon on the desktop it automatically mounts it and then > >> opens up > >> a MC window. To umount you can choose "Unmount" or "Eject" from > >> its context > >> menu. Seems to me that it can't get any simpler than that. > >> > >> -- > >> Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com > >> > >> "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an > >> abyss. > >> A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous > >> looking-back, > >> a dangerous shuddering and stopping." > >> --Friedrich Nietzsche > >> > >> > >> -- > >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > >> http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > >> > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > >--- > EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de > > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 10447 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 21:13:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 21:13:51 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA26807 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:13:51 -0400 Received: from modem-158.clarkes-clownfish.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.213.158] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CrJD-00009c-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:13:48 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA07513 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:30:01 GMT Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:30:01 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990806213001.B6714@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908021836.OAA03276@avatar.labs.redhat.com> <19990803003041.B3205@audrey> <19990805025406.A27603@win.tue.nl> <19990805025833.A12659@audrey> <19990805230142.B13107@win.tue.nl> <19990806171534.C1047@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <37AB1AE9.6D768D98@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <37AB1AE9.6D768D98@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 12:27:05PM -0500 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * James M. Cape (jcape@jcinteractive.com) [990806 18:30]: > Tom Gilbert wrote: > > > Gnome-ppp could ask the user for the root password first. > > > Less dangerous than a newbie doing a su and fiddling with files in /etc. > > > > And so users who are not admins cannot use it??? > > > > Don't forget, not all systems are single-user systems, where the user has > > access to the root account. > > The sysadmin can make the pppd executable -rwsr-x--- owned by root.dip, > and add the users who should be allowed to run it to the dip group. > > And obviously, gnome-ppp should not prompt the user for root permissions > if it doesn't need it. I am well aware of setuid. I know that pppd should be setuid root (the dip group is optional, depending on your setup), mine is. I was only warning against an app that would not function without a root password. What about [drumroll....] instructions? If Gnome is taking on the responsibility of providing an environment for users to work in, often fresh from other OSen, maybe it should give some guidance on how to do common linux tasks, instead of just Gnome stuff. That would prevent many FAQs, and help steer people in the right directions early on, preventing future problems... Perhaps the Gnome-help window that pops up when you first log in (the default session) could have a link to basic Linux info. Its pretty useless at the moment (IMHO), as a new user doesn't understand half the things it refers to, and its far too basic for a hacker. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From jobezone@localhost.localdomain Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 23475 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 21:32:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 21:32:46 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA28009 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:32:44 -0400 Received: from lisas6-p90.telepac.pt (HELO localhost.localdomain) (194.65.219.91) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 14:34:21 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:32:34 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@localhost.localdomain From: Eduardo Silva To: (Matthias Warkus) Subject: RE: Where's all the movement? Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org I also agree that from this side it seems a bit like the development is slow... Of course, it maybe that hackers should hack, not talk about hacking:) Eduardo On 06-Aug-99 Matthias Warkus wrote: > I understand that a lot of development is done on Gnome. After all, > people work for this full-time. Nevertheless, the overall face and > features of Gnome haven't changed much for me in the last few weeks > and months. [snip] <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jobezone@localhost.localdomain Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 28488 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 21:37:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 21:37:23 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA28402 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:37:22 -0400 Received: from lisas6-p90.telepac.pt (HELO localhost.localdomain) (194.65.219.91) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 14:39:02 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 22:37:16 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@localhost.localdomain From: Eduardo Silva To: Preben Randhol Subject: RE: [ANNOUNCE]: RPMs for Glade 0.5.1 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, glade-list@glade.pn.org Just one question to the general people on the list: Why don't new debs come out? Since I've got GNOME 1.0 a few months ago, for my Debian, I've been waiting for some updates to come,in deb format, but so far they've only come in RPMs. Eduardo On 06-Aug-99 Preben Randhol wrote: > > I have built RPMs for the latest Glade 0.5.1. You can get it here: > > > > I'm still on holiday, so I might not be able to answer mail before > Monday 9. Aug, if you have problems with the RPMs. > > -- > Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think > [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." > [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. > `_) n o m e > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 2498 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 21:48:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 21:48:33 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA29000 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:48:32 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-6f.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.112]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA18836; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:48:04 +0100 Message-Id: <199908062148.WAA18836@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 23:50:38 +0200 To: nodatadj@webtribe.net From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >> Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, > Users have to learn things, a computer is not a simple object like a >television and so there is, and should be a learning process involved. Wrong: you must learn how to use a television. Sometimes you even need to pass a exam (car, planes). Computer are complicated machines (I guess more than cars, but not as dangerous... I hope ;] ). Somebody said that the only intuitive machine is the nipple. He was right. >> they should have the option of >> learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by >> locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and >> unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just >> be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD >> there to unmount it. > And whats wrong with having an unmount command in the menu? Macs have hardware to detect and eject floppies. They do more things than typical PC. But autofs is there, as is pooling (check every 10 sec or so to see if there is a floppy, famous Amiga "click", IIRC). >> There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there >> is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by >> another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. >Hmm, "Lets see, I want my disk back, so I'll drag it to the place that I >drag stuff when I want it deleted." Not exactly the most logical of things >is it? No, it is a Mac problem. Users learn it and live with it, they do not think about it, they just drag. It is not the best option. They should have a spring icon (or something like that) to drag there the discs. GSR From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 4066 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 21:49:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 21:49:46 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA29070 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:49:46 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:49:42 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (hil-qbu-ppx-vty8.as.wcom.net [209.154.58.8]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id RAA00665; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 17:49:09 -0400 (EDT) To: James Henstridge Cc: Per Erik Stendahl , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? References: From: Jacob Berkman Date: 06 Aug 1999 17:58:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: James Henstridge's message of "Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:30:31 +0800 (WST)" Message-ID: <87907osh9s.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 11 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" James Henstridge writes: > That dependecy is stale. It should have been moved to the control-center > package, along with the control center program. It should probably be > fixed. ...except for the dependency with the panel's lock screen button. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 15875 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 22:25:28 -0000 Received: from mailout04.btx.dtag.de (mailout04.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.152]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA31002 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:20:40 -0400 Received: from fwd08.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.168]) by mailout04.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11CsLr-0004jn-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:20:35 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.170]) by fwd08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:20:23 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA12639 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:13:27 +0200 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:13:23 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990806221323.A12633@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com>; from Michael Stearne on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:54:53PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 01:54:53PM -0400 +++ Michael Stearne e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > > something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? Linux is a desktop platform. Yes, desktops are allowed to be used by computer-literate people, too. Surprise, surprise. > Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option of > learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by > locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Not the scope of a desktop environment. > Mounting and > unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just > be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD > there to unmount it. Completely idiotic metaphor as neither the disk nor the drive are trashed in the process. > There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there > is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by > another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. Oh puh-leeease. The Mac is clearly wrong here. mawa -- Es begab sich aber zu jener Zeit, daß Volt, genannt der Spannende, in das Gate der Schaltung floß, zu richten die Wechselnden und die Gleichen. Und so öffnete er dem Strom Thyr und Istor. -- 1. Buch Danfoss 1, 23-24 From lauris@ariman.ee Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 14269 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 23:03:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 23:03:27 -0000 Received: from kolumats.ariman.ee (lauris@tnt2-22.estpak.ee [195.250.181.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA01153 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:03:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (lauris@localhost) by kolumats.ariman.ee (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA06740; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:05:50 +0300 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:05:50 +0300 (EEST) From: Lauris Kaplinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: raph@acm.org Subject: Filling canvas objects Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello I'm trying to create canvas item class, which can be filled by user defined function - i.e. it allows gradient fills, fractals etc. Just cannot figure out, if there is some nice way to render it using libart. Seems, that svp renderer accept only solid colors and there is not simple way to clip pixbuf/raw buffer using svp paths. The best way I could figure out was: 1. Create empty RGB buffer 2. Create RGBA buffer 2. Render SVP into RGB buffer 3. Translate RGB buffer to RGBA buffer, using fill function & making background transparent 4. Render RGBA buffer to canvas buffer Have I overlooked something? Lauris From kodis@jagunet.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 26622 invoked from network); 6 Aug 1999 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 6 Aug 1999 23:28:31 -0000 Received: from kodis.jagunet.com (kodis@kodis.jaguNET.com [206.156.208.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02390 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:28:28 -0400 Received: (from kodis@localhost) by kodis.jagunet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02186 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:28:24 -0400 Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 19:28:24 -0400 From: John Kodis To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where's all the movement? Message-ID: <19990806192824.A1673@kodis.jagunet.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 05:20:22PM +0200 On Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 05:20:22PM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > The problem is information, perhaps. There are so many developers > busy all day. But it simply doesn't get through to me what they are > doing. I like to keep tabs on the state of affairs myself, but I'd rather have the developers developing code than talking about developing code, so I browse the CVS updates, read the Gnome Summaries, and make due. > The GNOME Summary is a great institution and has bettered this. Yup. One thing that might help would be if the Gnome coding standards were amended to recommend that a SYNOPSIS file be included with each Gnome program or package. This would provide a one-line description of the program, and would simplify cataloging new development so that folks could quickly find things that interest them. Havoc could include these synopses files in the Gnome Summary, so that instead of: 7) New and Updated Software mosquito Pharmacy we could instead read something like: 7) New and Updated Software mosquito: uses sound card to generate insect-killing ultrasonics Pharmacy: dispenses penguin peppermints, for late-night hacking (No disrespect intended toward these fine packages if I've misrepresented what the packages actually do, which seems likely.) -- John Kodis. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 7311 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 00:05:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 00:05:22 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03989; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 20:05:21 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11CtzC-000ACS-0B; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:05:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA02536; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:04:12 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:04:11 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "James M. Cape" cc: mark@hoist.nlc.net, nodatadj@webtribe.net, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: MIME extensions. In-Reply-To: <37A9FC8D.52486B49@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > mark@hoist.nlc.net wrote: > > > > File extensions should never be trusted. Unix has a command called > > "file" which should be used to determine file type. > > > > The absolute WORST thing about win95 is how it associates an > > "extension" with an application. This isn't being considered for > > Gnome or GMC, is it?? please god, NO. I think that file should be used, but that filename extensions should be used only as a visual aid to the user. > At the moment, file extensions are used. Hopefully, they will be > replaced with the actual file type, but before that happens, Gmc needs a > way to deal with network mounts intellegently (and turn off things like > "file" for a network mount). I thought GMC is now only in development for bug-fixes? That's what I just got told via bugs.gnome.org system. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 15366 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 01:27:40 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA09310; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:27:39 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-56.powerisp.com [199.105.137.56]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id SAA08714; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 18:25:57 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AB8AC1.F927BD70@jcinteractive.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 20:24:17 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: MIME extensions. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Green wrote: > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > > > mark@hoist.nlc.net wrote: > > > > > > File extensions should never be trusted. Unix has a command called > > > "file" which should be used to determine file type. > > > > > > The absolute WORST thing about win95 is how it associates an > > > "extension" with an application. This isn't being considered for > > > Gnome or GMC, is it?? please god, NO. > > I think that file should be used, but that filename extensions should be > used only as a visual aid to the user. > > > At the moment, file extensions are used. Hopefully, they will be > > replaced with the actual file type, but before that happens, Gmc needs a > > way to deal with network mounts intellegently (and turn off things like > > "file" for a network mount). > > I thought GMC is now only in development for bug-fixes? That's what I just > got told via bugs.gnome.org system. Well, SMBFS was just added a few weeks ago or so, so I don't know how accurate that report is. And even if Gmc *is* dead, that doesn't mean it's follow-on can't benefit from wishes meant for Gmc. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 22847 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 02:48:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 02:48:37 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13394 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:48:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA19040; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:56:24 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:56:24 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Jacob Berkman cc: Per Erik Stendahl , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? In-Reply-To: <87907osh9s.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I guess I missed that one. The dependency does make sense in that case. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On 6 Aug 1999, Jacob Berkman wrote: > James Henstridge writes: > > > That dependecy is stale. It should have been moved to the control-center > > package, along with the control center program. It should probably be > > fixed. > > ...except for the dependency with the panel's lock screen button. > > Jacob > -- > "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From zleite@earthlink.net Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 22201 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 04:19:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 04:19:49 -0000 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.121.85]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA17304 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 00:19:48 -0400 Received: from omoikane (pool258-cvx.ds40-ca-us.dialup.earthlink.net [209.179.50.108]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA05656; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:19:43 -0700 (PDT) From: "Zailo Leite" To: "Matthias Warkus" , Subject: RE: UI suggestion: gnome-dock Date: Sun, 6 Jun 1999 21:34:01 -0700 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2212 (4.71.2419.0) In-Reply-To: <19990806045511.B25047@audrey> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Importance: Normal I made a similar request some time ago, actually... as well as the ability to edit menus and toolbars. Yep, I hate to admit but Microsoft got it right with IE and Word2K UI's... Z > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthias Warkus [mailto:mawarkus@t-online.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:55 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock > > > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 08:33:56PM -0500 +++ > br0ke@math.smsu.edu e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, > after the break. > > I know that gnome can scale images, why not have the ability to > have small > > toolbar icons? mebbe a global conf in gnomecc that sets the > default toolbar > > behavior to "big" (normal sized) or "small" (scaled to menubar > height, keeping > > the ratio of width to height tho), and if a "big" toolbar is > pulled onto a > > menubar, then it's set as "small" (but just in that single > contect, not a global > > change). Some people like big toolbars, some people like small > ones, and some > > people probably want the ability to pull the toolbar onto the menu. > > > > communicator style toolbar 'folding' would be cool to include > generically, too, > > for both toolbars and menus. > > Sounds exactly like the right kind of suggestion for Jim Cape's new > Gnome UI Improvement project. http://www.jcinteractive.com/gnome-ui/ > > > > That's true about mixing menubars with toolbars, but > what about 2 > > toolbars? > > > And what about changing their order? > > > > > > > if 2 toolbars can change places (which I think they should be > able to), then I > > think we should be able to do it wiht a single grab/slide, much > like moving > > applets and launchers on the panel (if switched movement is > chosen). Yeah, I > > know this is how IE does it, but I think it's a fairly easy > handy way, sorry > > Just that MS does it doesn't mean it's wrong. > > mawa > -- > Back in the dark ages BC (Before Computing), there existed a magical > device called a Teletype Model 33. This amazing machine contained a > shift register out of a motor and a rotor as well as a keyboard ROM > consisting solely of levers and springs. -- Steve Oualline > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 4281 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 05:04:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 05:04:01 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA19223 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:04:00 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:10:40 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'mawarkus@t-online.de'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:12:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" You have a point. Well, for gnome 2.0 programs, we can say "use libglade" and do the 2 interfaces. Then whoever wants their program to be gnome 2.0 complient can use the new method. Older gnome 1.0 programs will still work, but just wont be able to switch modes. > -----Original Message----- > From: mawarkus@t-online.de [mailto:mawarkus@t-online.de] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 3:38 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) > > > +++ Thu, Aug 05, 1999 at 02:57:43PM -0700 +++ > Fox, Kevin M e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Actually, if libglade were to be used for all programs, you > would make your > > 2 interfaces with glade (much easier then hand coding by > the way) and have a > > simple if else statement in your main function to switch > between the two (or > > more) glade intervaces. Using libglade would make the > program 100x smaller, > > more flexable, and easier to code. > > But it would still mean redoing the interfaces of all the existing > programs with Glade. > > Have you got the manpower to do it? Can you assure that libglade-built > interfaces have got all the necessary features? > > mawa > -- > Speaking for me, not for Microsoft. > > > Mainly because I don't work for Microsoft. > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From rwsmith@cnw.com Fri May 12 00:03:23 2000 Received: (qmail 15778 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 05:42:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 05:42:39 -0000 Received: from baker.cnw.com (root@baker.cnw.com [206.40.133.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA20780 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:42:38 -0400 Received: from kimiko (dyn-129-82.redmond.cnw.net [207.149.129.82]) by baker.cnw.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA11754 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 22:42:33 -0700 (PDT) From: "Bob Smith" To: Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 21:57:39 -0700 Message-ID: <01bee091$60176be0$0201a8c4@kimiko> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 James Henstridge wrote: >If you do not want text+icons in the toolbar buttons, just change your >preferences in the control center (it should be under user interface >options, application defaults). As for excessive white space, this is a >little harder to fix (and quite a subjective criticism -- I think the >spaced out GUI looks quite nice personally). > It looks very nice on my 21" monitor too, when I happen to be home, but it wastes serious amounts of real estate on the notebook I'm usually using. I'd love the option of a much leaner, but still attractively Gnome-ish configuration. (unfortunately, since I can't code it myself, the developers should take a (well deserved) break to howl and throw things at me) Bob rwsmith@cnw.com From rbettle@criterion-group.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 457 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 06:34:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 06:34:59 -0000 Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA22848 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:34:58 -0400 Received: from criterion-group.com ([24.5.44.161]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990807063452.OUHV3787.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@criterion-group.com> for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 23:34:52 -0700 Message-ID: <37ABD459.A90839E0@criterion-group.com> Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 23:38:17 -0700 From: Roy Bettle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Questions Subject: Enlightenment appearance on FreeBSD vs. RedHat Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------1E0D5204B2BDCFAE1FB260DF" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------1E0D5204B2BDCFAE1FB260DF Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Good evening all. Quick question (I think): FreeBSD 3.2 Machine: Intel 166 non-MMX 32MB RAM 2, 1GB IDE 512MB swap 1MB S3 video 14" SVGA monitor RedHat 6.0 Machine: Intel 233 MMX 32MB RAM 128MB swap 7, 1GB SCSI 1MB Daytona64 15" SVGA monitor Please advise if more details are needed. On the RedHat box, the Enlightenment desktop looks a great deal like a Win9x (sorry for the comparison) desktop complete with an "Explorer" (Midnight Commander, right?), Control Panels, etc. On the FreeBSD box, it looks, well, wierd. Virtually nothing on the desktop plus a bunch of icons that are shaped like something out of a Star Trek TNG movie. Further, I can't get any serious functionality out of the FreeBSD box (change networking, etc.), but on the RedHat box I have what appears to be total control via Enlightenment. Have I done something wrong? Thanks for your help. RAB --------------1E0D5204B2BDCFAE1FB260DF Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rbettle.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Roy Bettle Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rbettle.vcf" begin:vcard n:Bettle;Roy tel;work:(949) 452-1203 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.criterion-group.com org:Criterion Group, Inc. version:2.1 email;internet:rbettle@criterion-group.com title:President note:Businesses that depend on computers, depend on us. adr;quoted-printable:;;26895 Aliso Creek Road=0D=0ASuite B404;Aliso Viejo;CA;92656;USA fn:Bettle, Roy end:vcard --------------1E0D5204B2BDCFAE1FB260DF-- From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 10513 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 08:34:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 08:34:08 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA27819 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:34:08 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m23.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.151]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id EAA15657; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 04:34:03 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37ABEE02.89519FE2@email.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 05:27:46 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Preben Randhol CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE]: RPMs for Glade 0.5.1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preben Randhol wrote: > > I have built RPMs for the latest Glade 0.5.1. You can get it here: What about Glade-- ? It would be nice to have it too... -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 12702 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 10:32:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 10:32:01 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00325 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 06:32:00 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem215.webtribe.net [194.164.194.215]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA14602; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:33:47 GMT Message-ID: <002b01bee0bf$25b13b60$d7c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "Fox, Kevin M" , , References: Subject: Re: Ease of use (was Call for constructive user criticism.) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:25:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > You have a point. Well, for gnome 2.0 programs, we can say "use libglade" > and do the 2 interfaces. Then whoever wants their program to be gnome 2.0 > complient can use the new method. Older gnome 1.0 programs will still work, > but just wont be able to switch modes. Please don't. As a) It's a new dependancy that we need for gnome (And people are complaining that there's already enough libraries needed). b) I have to use Glade to design my interfaces. I don't want to use Glade to design my interfaces. It's a nice program and everything, but I don't like using GUI builders. I like designing interfaces by hand. I don't think it's fair to say "That program is not Gnome 2 complient because you took the hard way and didn't use glade". c) I've still to think of an advantage for being able to change how the gui looks. I think one of the worst features about ICQ on windows is the "Simple mode" and "Advanced Mode" that sounds very like what this is about, possibly because it seems slightly insulting. Iain From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 14399 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 10:34:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 10:34:39 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00420 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 06:34:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA19995; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:42:45 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:42:45 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Bob Smith cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) In-Reply-To: <01bee091$60176be0$0201a8c4@kimiko> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I got one mail from someone who did not see the option to turn off toolbar labels. Just uncheck "toolbars have text labels" checkbutton on the "Application Defaults" capplet in the "User Interface Options" section of the control center. Also, you can turn off menu item and standard dialog button pixmaps from this capplet, which should further reduce screen real estate usage. If you have a small display and have not made these changes, try it out and see if it makes GNOME better for you. If you can't remember what the toolbar buttons do, there is always the tooltips. As for other parts of gnome, I have sometimes wondered what a "tiny theme engine" would be like. Basically it would be the standard theme engine, but reduces the extra padding on some of the widgets. This together with a smaller default font (which can be selected from the theme selector capplet) should give more space for notebook screens. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Bob Smith wrote: > > James Henstridge wrote: > > >If you do not want text+icons in the toolbar buttons, just change your > >preferences in the control center (it should be under user interface > >options, application defaults). As for excessive white space, this is a > >little harder to fix (and quite a subjective criticism -- I think the > >spaced out GUI looks quite nice personally). > > > It looks very nice on my 21" monitor too, when I happen to be home, but it > wastes serious amounts of real estate on the notebook I'm usually using. I'd > love the option of a much leaner, but still attractively Gnome-ish > configuration. (unfortunately, since I can't code it myself, the developers > should take a (well deserved) break to howl and throw things at me) > > Bob rwsmith@cnw.com > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 16969 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 10:40:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 10:40:34 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00710 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 06:40:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA20010; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:48:45 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:48:45 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Roy Bettle cc: Gnome Questions Subject: Re: Enlightenment appearance on FreeBSD vs. RedHat In-Reply-To: <37ABD459.A90839E0@criterion-group.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Enlightenment is a very configurable window manager, as you have just found. A lot of what you see on the RH6 desktop is actually GNOME, so if you don't have gnome on the freebsd box, you won't have access to those features. As for the look of enlightenment, middle click on the desktop and select the desired theme from the themes menu (what you see on the RH6 desktop is probably the clean theme). Try out the other themes, and see what you like (remember that the more flashy themes also use more memory). To get the extra functionality, you may have to start a few extra GNOME programs. As a start, try putting the following in your X startup file: exec gnome-session With this single line, it will give you session management, start the window manager, panel and GMC. (of course you need gnome-core, gmc, etc installed for this to work correctly). James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Roy Bettle wrote: > Good evening all. Quick question (I think): > > FreeBSD 3.2 Machine: > > Intel 166 non-MMX > 32MB RAM > 2, 1GB IDE > 512MB swap > 1MB S3 video > 14" SVGA monitor > > RedHat 6.0 Machine: > > Intel 233 MMX > 32MB RAM > 128MB swap > 7, 1GB SCSI > 1MB Daytona64 > 15" SVGA monitor > > Please advise if more details are needed. > > On the RedHat box, the Enlightenment desktop looks a great deal like a > Win9x (sorry for the comparison) desktop complete with an "Explorer" > (Midnight Commander, right?), Control Panels, etc. > > On the FreeBSD box, it looks, well, wierd. Virtually nothing on the > desktop plus a bunch of icons that are shaped like something out of a > Star Trek TNG movie. > > Further, I can't get any serious functionality out of the FreeBSD box > (change networking, etc.), but on the RedHat box I have what appears to > be total control via Enlightenment. > > Have I done something wrong? > > Thanks for your help. > > RAB > From benedikt@umkalsum.camelot.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 1107 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 13:49:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 13:49:08 -0000 Received: from mail.space.net (mail.Space.Net [195.30.0.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06903 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:49:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 16446 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 13:49:01 -0000 Received: from umkalsum.camelot.de (195.30.225.234) by mail.space.net with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 13:49:01 -0000 Received: (from benedikt@localhost) by pubert.camelot.de (8.8.8/8.8.8) id PAA00749; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:48:55 +0200 Message-ID: <19990807134851.11718@pubert.camelot.de> Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:48:51 +0000 From: Benedikt Wachinger To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gimp XCF Format Reply-To: benedikt@umkalsum.camelot.de Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.76 Hi, where can I find a description about the Gimp XCF Format? Benedikt -- ,,, (o o) -----------ooO-(_)-Ooo---------- | Benedikt Wachinger | | benedikt@umkalsum.camelot.de | -------------------------------- From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 15544 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 14:21:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 14:21:48 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08335 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 10:21:47 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11D7M1-000CSX-0A; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:21:46 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id PAA03697; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:20:45 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:20:44 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gandalf@pobox.com cc: "James M. Cape" , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999 gandalf@pobox.com wrote: > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > > > Ok, but the GNOME toolbars are huge. In MS products, the toolbar buttons > > are pretty small, and can fit on the same line as a menubar because of > > this. in GNOME, the toolbars are much bigger, and would cause a huge > > gap. As others have said, it is possible to do this, I just question the > > value of it. > In my opion these things should be smaller, everything in gnome is too > big, especially default buttons, dialogs, etc, I never understood why they > are created with so much empty space. This has always been one of my > biggest complaints about the look of gnome. My biggest complaint about X widgets in general (I think it applies to at least most of them) is that there is too much whitespace around them and they are too big. If you've ever compared GMC with Explorer w/ IE4/5 then you'll see how much more compact Explorer is. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 6999 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:22:55 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11385 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:22:55 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11D8JB-000Cpd-0K; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:22:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA04146; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:21:53 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:21:52 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: James Henstridge cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, jcape@jcinteractive.com Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, James Henstridge wrote: > If you do not want text+icons in the toolbar buttons, just change your > preferences in the control center (it should be under user interface > options, application defaults). Hmm. I just switched off 'Toolbars have text labels', loaded up the File Manager and it still had the text label. Maybe I have to quit gnome to quit gmc properly? If so, this needs to be explained in the dialog. > As for excessive white space, this is a > little harder to fix (and quite a subjective criticism -- I think the > spaced out GUI looks quite nice personally). The Panel is quite space-efficient, but if I were to use an example, I could say that if you load up the Control Panel, looked at the list on the left and shaved off one px from both the top and bottom padding around the text (and prolly left and right for that matter) it would look better. You might even get away with 2px... I think the file-tree list in GMC has it about right space-wise, but the amount of left-right padding given to the files/directories in the right window iconic view is far too much. Normally I can fit at least five files/directories width-wise in Explorer, but in GMC I can only get three with approx the same window size. btw, I'm running 1200x1024 with a 19" monitor. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 12187 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:34:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:34:42 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11798 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:34:41 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-41.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.66]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA23497; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:34:07 +0100 Message-Id: <199908071534.QAA23497@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:36:45 +0200 To: james@daa.com.au From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >I got one mail from someone who did not see the option to turn off toolbar >labels. Just uncheck "toolbars have text labels" checkbutton on the >"Application Defaults" capplet in the "User Interface Options" section of >the control center. Hehehe, I think I was the "someone"... but I am the other side: only text, no icons. Btw: what control center? RH6 does not have that (at least my RH6). New in latest Gnome upgrades? >Also, you can turn off menu item and standard dialog button pixmaps from >this capplet, which should further reduce screen real estate usage. Sometimes screen real state. Other just "garbage" (for me), bored of icons everywhere... I find them distracting (just personal dislike). >If you have a small display and have not made these changes, try it out >and see if it makes GNOME better for you. If you can't remember what the >toolbar buttons do, there is always the tooltips. I do not have a small display (OK, middle size, 'all ppl seem to have 21"' ;] ). The problem I see is that NT at 800 * 600 seems to put more things than Gnome with X at 1152 * 864. The monitor is a (decent quality) 17". Current themes are not well designed, I guess (for me, again). I prefer text over icons. I always understand faster "Cut" than "8<". >As for other parts of gnome, I have sometimes wondered what a "tiny theme >engine" would be like. Basically it would be the standard theme engine, >but reduces the extra padding on some of the widgets. This together with >a smaller default font (which can be selected from the theme selector >capplet) should give more space for notebook screens. I guess we need some "a la MacOS HCI doc" where ideas for default themes are covered (again, not the MacOS sizes or ideas, but the spirit). So anybody who wants to design a theme has some advices and not just "I am the designer and it looks nice in my monitor, the problem is your monitor / video card / computer". GSR From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 12498 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:34:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:34:57 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11810; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:34:57 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11D8Up-0008kl-0C; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:34:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA04171; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:33:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:33:54 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "James M. Cape" cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: MIME extensions. In-Reply-To: <37AB8AC1.F927BD70@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > James Green wrote: [ ... ] > > I thought GMC is now only in development for bug-fixes? That's what I just > > got told via bugs.gnome.org system. > > Well, SMBFS was just added a few weeks ago or so, so I don't know how > accurate that report is. And even if Gmc *is* dead, that doesn't mean > it's follow-on can't benefit from wishes meant for Gmc. ------------------------- Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:03:28 -0400 From: Elliot Lee Message-Id: <199908052103.RAA12427@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com> To: 1366-done@bugs.gnome.org Subject: Won't fix This feature fix will have to wait for the new GNOME file manager. gmc is going into bug fixes-only status. ------------------------- You know as much as I do now... -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From patrick.vdhagen@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 17298 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:38:25 -0000 Received: from mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de (nz40.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de [129.13.197.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12168 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:38:23 -0400 Received: from hek102.hek (mail@hek102.hek.uni-karlsruhe.de [172.20.200.32]) by mailgate.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de with esmtp (Exim 2.04 #3) id 11D8Xf-0003UP-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:37:51 +0200 Received: from patrick by hek102.hek with local (Exim 3.02 #1 (Debian)) id 11D8gl-0001ET-00; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:47:15 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:47:15 +0200 From: Patrick von der Hagen To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: how to play audio cd Message-ID: <19990807174715.A4585@hek102.hek.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990805012204.57459.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990805012204.57459.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Scott Haug on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:22:03PM -0500 On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:22:03PM -0500, Scott Haug wrote: > It isn't a gnome issue, but strangely enough this was dealt with on this > list about a week or so ago. You can follow the thread here. I think I´ll just join the club... I am using an old Sony-8x-CD-ROM which works absolutely fine when I am using xmcd, kscd, xmms or any Windows cd-player application. It worked fine with gtcd a long long time ago... Back in the old days, gnome 0.20 or gnome 0.25. But nowadays, it doesn´t work anymore. :-( To be specific: I can use kscd to start cd-audio-playback and then view the display of gtcd which is updated correctly (well, about half a second delay, compared to kscd). I just can´t perform any actions with gtcd. I can´t start, eject, skip tracks, etc. No gtcd error-messages, but the kernel (2.2.10, but 2.0.35 showed the same problems) reports (twice): hdd: irq timeout: status=0x80 { Busy } hdd: ATAPI reset complete My cd-rom-drive has two lights: green, indicating normal access, red showing cd-audio-playback. gtcd causes it to flash green once or twice, and that´s it. Audio-playback is never started. I think, that specific gtcd-problems are off-topic here, but since it has been started... -- CU, Patrick. From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 28209 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:48:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:48:39 -0000 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de (mailout02.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13179 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:48:37 -0400 Received: from fwd13.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.173]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11D8i3-000051-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:48:35 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.3]) by fwd13.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:48:22 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01793 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:26:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:26:04 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Icons (was: Where's all the movement?) Message-ID: <19990807172604.B1691@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Eduardo Silva on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 10:32:34PM +0100 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 10:32:34PM +0100 +++ Eduardo Silva e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > I also agree that from this side it seems a bit like the development is > slow... Of course, it maybe that hackers should hack, not talk > about hacking:) Indeed it seems like the project lacks infrastructure. Have a look at Gnome's icons, for example. I've got a lot of packages installed: [mawa@audrey]: /opt/gnome/share/pixmaps$ ls *.png *.xpm | wc 141 141 2428 [mawa@audrey]: /opt/gnome/share/pixmaps$ cd mc [mawa@audrey]: /opt/gnome/share/pixmaps/mc$ ls *.png *.xpm | wc 69 69 1344 That makes for 210 icons, counting those of GMC in. Now look at this: [mawa@audrey]: /opt/kde/share/icons$ ls *.xpm | wc 444 444 6710 KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than thousand icons. Thousand. Gnome, on the other hand, seems to have got only one person doing icons, and that's Tigert. When was the last time he painted an icon? Maybe he's overworked with something else and needs help. At times, the KDE project has done a hundred icons a month. I've talked to KDE's lead artist at LinuxTag (he's the one coordinating the effort to turn KDE's ugly icons into nice high-colour ones). One of the people working on his team once wanted to lend Tigert a hand with the icons. I don't want to give Torsten Rahn's opinion on this, and I don't want to say anything about Tigert, but the fact remains that now the guy is working for KDE and not for us. There's a problem somewhere. mawa -- Do your work in secret as long as possible; overt competence provokes the corporate immune response. -- via: Jim Moore james.moore@cas.honeywell.com From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 28266 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:48:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:48:40 -0000 Received: from mailout03.btx.dtag.de (mailout03.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.151]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13180 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:48:38 -0400 Received: from fwd13.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.173]) by mailout03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11D8i4-0000FK-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:48:36 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.3]) by fwd13.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:48:27 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01834 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:40:10 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:40:10 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Hm, blocked somehow (was: Where's all the movement?) Message-ID: <19990807174010.C1691@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Havoc Pennington on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 07:26:12PM -0700 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 07:26:12PM -0700 +++ Havoc Pennington e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Oops, sorry about that mis-send. Ctrl-X is right by Ctrl-C. > > Matthias, be patient. A roadmap is forthcoming; we do have a plan. :-) This is reassuring. What I'd like to see is some "official" statement about the Gnome office suite, which except for Gnumeric seems to be in a sorry state. Is there any reason to go on developing the "Gnome Workshop", if not prestige and the fact that "well, it's Gnome"? KOffice at least is light years ahead. I think the development going into Gnumeric (no other part of the Gnome office suite seems to be heavily hacked on) could be invested better in innovations we have been waiting for a long time. Say Bonobo, or the new file manager, or the split of the file manager / root window manager, or Gnome file dialogs... stuff like that. We can always write Gnome frontends to KOffice's components later. Of course that would need support for KOM/OpenParts, which would need a C++-capable ORB. ORBit is supposed to eventually do C, C++ and Guile. Are these still the goals? Why don't I see any development there? I'm sorry if I ramble a bit too much in my latest mails here. But I think there are some things that need to be pronounced. For some reason, a project like KDE is a huge, well-organised, corporate-looking (too corporate-looking!) machine churning out amazing amounts of code (KOffice is at nearly a million lines now). Gnome is not. Or at least it looks like it is not. Don't get me wrong. I am contributing. I write hundreds of translated messages, and I regularly file bug reports. I am learning the Gnome and GTK+ API at the moment; I eventually want to be able to code a bit. What hinders me is that I must learn the APIs by looking at the header files and source file comments because either the documentation is lacking in some points or the DocBook SGML doesn't render on my machine since so far I have not been able to get a working DocBook setup here. That's another subject. There was talk of finally providing nice, preconfigured packages for DocBook conversion which will cooperate well with Gnome's build environment. I'm still waiting -- I've done a lot of hand-tuning on my DocBook setup, and it still doesn't work correctly. I'd like to get at the documentation at least. I'm already happy that at least that Guide containing the Gnome Tutorial has rendered correctly. That doesn't mean, though, that it would have installed correctly into the integrated Gnome help system. What's up with that system anyway? Why isn't it used more? Why does it display index entries for most (but not all) man pages on my system, while lots of those entries don't work? And then there's the GtkXmHTML widget used by the help browser, and not only by it, but by Screem, too (for example). There doesn't seem to be development going on on it because we're all waiting for the Mozilla Bonobo component. Well, that component is obviously waiting for Mozilla to get usable. But that can take another *year*! From my point of view, it looks like too many parts of Gnome are simply jammed or blocked by waiting for other parts. mawa -- Windows is the one true OS. MS invented the GUI. MS invented the 32 bit OS. MS is open and standard. MS loves you. We have always been at war with Oceana. -- Tracy Reed From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 28475 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 15:48:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 15:48:47 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA13191 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:48:45 -0400 Received: from fwd13.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.173]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11D8i7-0004uG-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:48:39 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.3]) by fwd13.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:48:20 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01764 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:19:26 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:19:26 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where's all the movement? Message-ID: <19990807171926.A1691@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990806172022.A10753@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Elliot Lee on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:51:12PM +0000 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:51:12PM +0000 +++ Elliot Lee e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > On 6 Aug 1999 11:28:21 -0400, Matthias Warkus > wrote: > > >I understand that a lot of development is done on Gnome. After all, > >people work for this full-time. Nevertheless, the overall face and > >features of Gnome haven't changed much for me in the last few weeks > >and months. > > >But where is it? > > You have to be patient. Big things do not happen on a "few weeks" > timescale. Things are happening, but it will take a while before they are > finished - I get Gnome from CVS. So where are those things happening? I don't see much change in the CVS tree for, say, gnome-libs or gnome-core. Sure, documentation is written, bugs are fixed. Minor prettifications happen. I'm happy all this happens. But where are those big things? Have I got the concept of CVS wrong? Isn't the HEAD branch supposed to be the bleeding edge? > if you want to see a specific thing happen faster, you have to > talk to the person who is working on it and volunteer your help. There is > _always_ stuff to do... I test, I report bugs and I translate. I feel like that's enough participation for me. > If you just want to see an impression of activity, subscribe to > cvs-commits-list. :) Maybe. mawa -- Actually, the fun thing about playing the piano is that you can walk around in town with a Henle Urtext score, showing off, and feeling like a *musician*. -- mawa From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 10116 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 16:13:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 16:13:02 -0000 Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14549 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:13:01 -0400 Received: from fwd12.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.172]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11D95g-0001ZA-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:13:00 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.191]) by fwd12.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:12:44 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02002 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:50:04 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:50:03 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: MIME extensions. Message-ID: <19990807175003.A1978@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37AB8AC1.F927BD70@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from James Green on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 04:33:54PM +0100 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 04:33:54PM +0100 +++ James Green e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > > > James Green wrote: > > [ ... ] > > > > I thought GMC is now only in development for bug-fixes? That's what I just > > > got told via bugs.gnome.org system. > > > > Well, SMBFS was just added a few weeks ago or so, so I don't know how > > accurate that report is. And even if Gmc *is* dead, that doesn't mean > > it's follow-on can't benefit from wishes meant for Gmc. > > ------------------------- > Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:03:28 -0400 > From: Elliot Lee > Message-Id: <199908052103.RAA12427@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com> > To: 1366-done@bugs.gnome.org > Subject: Won't fix > This feature fix will have to wait for the new GNOME file manager. > gmc is going into bug fixes-only status. > ------------------------- > > You know as much as I do now... So, what is the "new GNOME file manager"? Where is it on CVS, if there's any code? Is there at least a white paper? (I just checked. There isn't. Well, maybe I'm really only impatient. I'm going to wait for the roadmap Havoc promised.) mawa -- > Your best form of "antigravy" in space stations is centrifugal > pseudoforce. I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid you can't eat that... -- Eric Max Francis and Paul Guertin on rec.arts.sf.science From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 14435 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 16:20:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 16:20:35 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA14904 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:20:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18429; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:53:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:53:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where's all the movement? In-Reply-To: <19990807171926.A1691@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > I get Gnome from CVS. So where are those things happening? I don't see > much change in the CVS tree for, say, gnome-libs or gnome-core. Sure, > documentation is written, bugs are fixed. Minor prettifications > happen. I'm happy all this happens. But where are those big things? > Have I got the concept of CVS wrong? Isn't the HEAD branch supposed to > be the bleeding edge? > If you care subscribe to cvs-commits (>500 messages per week) or wait for the roadmap, OK? The main action for a future gnome-libs is in Bonobo, libglade, gconf, gnome-xml, gdk-pixbuf, etc. gnome-core won't change dramatically in the next release (panel and control center). The new file manager is based on Ettore's new VFS, which isn't in CVS but has lots of work done (Ettore might send you a tarball if you ask). The gnome-wm module has one start on a default WM, but that's still a bit up in the air. etc., there's some other stuff, as I said we're working on a roadmap document. Havoc From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 21039 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 16:32:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 16:32:33 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15326 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:32:32 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-1c.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.29]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA26197; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:32:26 +0100 Message-Id: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:34:57 +0200 To: mawarkus@t-online.de From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: Icons (was: Where's all the movement?) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, jcape@jcinteractive.com >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than >thousand icons. Thousand. And they have some guidelines for icons, IIRC. >Gnome, on the other hand, seems to have got only one person doing >icons, and that's Tigert. When was the last time he painted an icon? >Maybe he's overworked with something else and needs help. At times, >the KDE project has done a hundred icons a month. Yes, he is Gimping, IIRC. And I guess lot of people saw "Tigert is doing icons" and then all tought "ooops, place taken by a important guy, best go somewhere to do other things". Not trying to insult tigert, but I feel the rest of artists feel "scared", at least a bit. >I've talked to KDE's lead artist at LinuxTag (he's the one >coordinating the effort to turn KDE's ugly icons into nice high-colour >ones). One of the people working on his team once wanted to lend Ugly, a bit. But they work nice in 256 colors. BeOS and MacOS icons have multi bpp versions, and all look nice. Gnome icons are all just one style (tigert) of many (one per person? artist?). Icons also should be part of themes, not just buttons and sliders. >Tigert a hand with the icons. I don't want to give Torsten Rahn's >opinion on this, and I don't want to say anything about Tigert, but >the fact remains that now the guy is working for KDE and not for us. >There's a problem somewhere. Uuummm... the GUI team needs to put that in the list. "We need some rules for icons, a team of artist (in the broad sense, if you are cool doing 1 bit icons, but poor in 24 bits, or only "machine like" icons, join us too) and then work". Also: anybody has the contacts (correct word?) to start an Icons website in T.O (http://icons.themes.org/ ie) where all, KDE, Gnome or whatever icons will be stored? I do not know why Gnome must Gnome icons and KDE use KDE icons. This is a point where colaboration is easy, IMHO. GSR From stric@ing.umu.se Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 625 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 16:58:40 -0000 Received: from tekla.ing.umu.se (root@tekla.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA16501 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:58:39 -0400 Received: from thelma.ing.umu.se (stric@thelma.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.81]) by tekla.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id SAA03786; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:58:38 +0200 Received: (from stric@localhost) by thelma.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id SAA12973; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:58:37 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:58:37 +0200 From: Tomas Ogren To: Benedikt Wachinger Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gimp XCF Format Message-ID: <19990807185837.B12483@thelma.ing.umu.se> Mail-Followup-To: Benedikt Wachinger , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990807134851.11718@pubert.camelot.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990807134851.11718@pubert.camelot.de>; from Benedikt Wachinger on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 01:48:51PM +0000 X-System: Linux thelma 2.0.37 X-Until2000: 4 months, 22 days, 5 hours, 42 minutes, and 11 seconds On 07 August, 1999 - Benedikt Wachinger sent me these 0,4K bytes: > > Hi, > where can I find a description about the Gimp XCF Format? Better place to ask/look: http://www.gimp.org/mailing_list.html /Tomas -- Tomas Ögren, stric@ing.umu.se, http://www.ing.umu.se/~stric/ |- Student at Computing Science, University of Umeĺ `- Sysadmin at {cs,ing,acc}.umu.se From lauris@ariman.ee Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 4277 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 17:09:13 -0000 Received: from kolumats.ariman.ee (lauris@tnt2-174.estpak.ee [195.250.181.174]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA16865 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:09:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (lauris@localhost) by kolumats.ariman.ee (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA09370 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:11:39 +0300 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:11:39 +0300 (EEST) From: Lauris Kaplinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, jack wallen, jr wrote: > i can agree with this of course. i think, if i remember correctly, that > anytime in KDE that a user tried to do something that only had root > priveleges they were prompted for the root password - is that being > implimented into gnome? Personally I do not like KDE habit of reinventing everything. They have own keymaps, screensavers, ppp setup etc. Probaly GNOME should deal with user configurable things, system wide tasks belong to distro setup tools. Why not program nicer interface for setting up ppp via linuxconf? or COAS? or whatever else. Separating personal graphical preferences from system setup does not seem to me Bad Thing at all. Windows and Mac messed these up and now most people even do not know, that there is something behind windows. But they should learn. Lauris From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 26491 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 17:49:14 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18677 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:49:13 -0400 Received: from modem-103.name69.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.194.103] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DAal-0003u5-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:49:12 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05942 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:53:26 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:53:26 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990807165326.B5783@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990806205447.43631.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990806205447.43631.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Richard Ekle on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 04:54:46PM -0400 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Richard Ekle (rekle@hotmail.com) [990806 22:13]: > One problem I've had at times is that my CD-ROM drive gets stuck closed and > I can't open it even if it's not mounted! (And it's not the CDROM itself > because it never does this in Windows). Any ideas as to what may be causing > this? > > Rick The only reason for this is that is *is* mounted. Don't forget you can't umount it if you have any shells or programs using the mountpoint. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 26563 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 17:49:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 17:49:15 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA18682 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:49:15 -0400 Received: from modem-103.name69.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.194.103] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DAan-0003u5-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:49:13 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA05925 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:52:06 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:52:06 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990807165206.A5783@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908062057.QAA19247@home.ifx.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <199908062057.QAA19247@home.ifx.net>; from sungod on Fri, Aug 06, 1999 at 03:59:00PM -0400 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * sungod (sungod@atdot.org) [990806 20:59]: > jack wallen, jr (jlwallen@iglou.com)'s email of 08/06/99 15:25 said: > > >> Setting up ppp is something for root. If a user doesn't have root > >> permission, he should ask root to set up ppp for him. That's the > >> way it is now, and that's how it should remain (IMO). > >> > >> Ronald > > > >this just doesn't make sense to me. the new user, wanting to use Linux > >for their desktop OS, doesn't want to have to muck around with priveleges > >and the like. yes, that's a linux issue of course i know that - but > >that's the very attitude that's keeping the new users away from Linux in > >the first place. > > What exactly is your goal? Would you like to see the power and > flexibility of Linux in the hands of every man? Would you like to make it > easier to learn? Easier to remember? More efficient to operate? Or would > you like to strip it of its power and flexibility by hiding all its > features and making it stupid, to leave only one big red button in the > middle of the screen that says "do my taxes, print my resume, walk the > dog, and pick the kids up from soccer"? > > If you want the former, please join us in designing (and hopefully > developing) tools that DO make Linux more accessible and easier to learn. > > If all you want is the latter, your platform awaits: use MacOS. No, I > don't mean that to be snide or offensive; if you check the headers of > this email you will see that I'm TYPING this on Claris Emailer in MacOS. > I use it, I like it, and I think it's a lot more stable and useful than > people give it credit for. My point is that you shouldn't want to take > features away from users (to include ownership and permissions); you > should be helping us SOLVE the problem of how to make them easily learned > and accessible to new users. > > >no matter how close and dear Linux is to those using it - you gotta make > >it simple if you want to entise new users. and there is absolutely > >nothing wrong with that philosophy. > > Patently false. I didn't learn how to drive by doing it in a padded > arena. I didn't learn how to walk by living in a playpen. I didn't learn > how to read and write by only having access to ten of the twenty-six > letters. And I didn't learn how to use Unix by clicking on "My Computer." > > Nor should we hide anything. If anything, the point of GNOME should be to > make all the wonderful features of Linux easily accessible, rather than > hiding it behind a cryptic command line; not to get rid of them. > Restriction is not the answer, good design is the answer. In this case, > you should be more interested in helping decide how to represent various > permissions to the user (and how to tell them nicely, "you can't use PPP > because the person who owns this box doesn't want you to") rather than > just saying "permissions are a bad idea; we should hide them." > > So, got a better idea for handling PPP permissions? > Right on. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 367 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 18:57:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 18:57:50 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21889 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:57:49 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA04126 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:58:12 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37AC9314.89121BC5@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 16:12:04 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GCC 2.95 & GNOME Apps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Under the recently released GCC 2.95 (using g++) this code: GnomeUIInfo info = { GNOME_APP_UI_ITEM, N_("_New game"), N_("Create a new game"), onMenuFile, reinterpret_cast(0), null, GNOME_APP_PIXMAP_STOCK, GNOME_STOCK_MENU_NEW, // ERROR 'n', GDK_CONTROL_MASK, null }; now yields this error: initialization to `void *' from `const char *' discards qualifiers This is because GNOME_STOCK_MENU_NEW is a macro define for a "string" literal, which is const, and is being used to initialize a void*. Notwithstanding complaints of bad design and programming style, to fix this I have to perform a const_cast: const_cast(GNOME_STOCK_MENU_NEW), // OK I also now have problems with the prototype for destroy callbacks being untyped: void (*)(...) Notwithstanding complaints of bad design and programming style, this suppression of the compiler's type system now causes some of my overloaded functions to choke. To fix this, I had to change the names of some of them. I suppose my question is: will GNOME ever be type safe and sound? Are there any other GCC 2.95 pitfalls I should be aware of? -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 4532 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 19:14:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 19:14:26 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22344 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:14:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA18722; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:47:37 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:47:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: SEGV cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GCC 2.95 & GNOME Apps In-Reply-To: <37AC9314.89121BC5@cgocable.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, SEGV wrote: > > I suppose my question is: will GNOME ever be type safe and sound? It will if people submit patches... if binary compatible they can even go in 1.0.x. I don't think a question like this is justified by a couple bugs ni a brand-new compiler few people are using yet. > Are > there any other GCC 2.95 pitfalls I should be aware of? > Very few people are using 2.95, thus you're finding bugs. We do want to work with that compiler, so if you want to use it now, please submit gnome-libs patches. Otherwise, we'll fix it when we upgrade to that compiler.:-) At a minimum, please send a bug report to bugs.gnome.org so we remember to deal with this issue. Thanks, Havoc From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 11789 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 19:33:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 19:33:27 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23153 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:33:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id PAA21856; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:33:19 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:33:19 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Michael Stearne cc: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Michael Stearne wrote: > > > Thomas Hedler wrote: > > > > On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > > button on > > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > > button > > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > > --Ben > > > > Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the > > eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > > > > Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good > > behaviour!!! > > > > The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > > something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? > > Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option of > learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue screen, by > locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and > unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method just > be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the CD > there to unmount it. Aside: I've always found that drag CD to trash incredibly counter intuative. My fave is the way dos/windows deals with its floppy. Saying "hey, give that back" If it isn't done writing, or "it's not there" if there's no disk, but otherwise not complaining. --Ben >There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if there > is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by > another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. > > Michael Stearne > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 20100 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 19:51:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 19:51:17 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23846 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:51:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id PAA21877; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:51:10 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:51:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Richard Ekle cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: <19990806205447.43631.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've found this problem with audio CDs. (not quite the same situation) Both the panel CD player and the gnome cd player lock the CD-rom eject button so I can only use the software eject button. What happens if I have both of these cdplayers opened is the eject button on neither of them works. I assume this is because each will only let the cd-rom eject when it says so, but because I can't hit the eject button on both programs simulaniously, I can't eject without closing one of 'em. I've been meaning to mention this. I don't see why any audio cd player should be locking the drive. When I hit the hardware eject button that must mean I want to stop the song... duah. --Ben On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Richard Ekle wrote: > One problem I've had at times is that my CD-ROM drive gets stuck closed and > I can't open it even if it's not mounted! (And it's not the CDROM itself > because it never does this in Windows). Any ideas as to what may be causing > this? > > Rick > > > > >From: Thomas Hedler > >Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de > >To: gnome-list@gnome.org > >Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! > >Date: Fri, 06 Aug 1999 18:02:04 +0200 (MEST) > > > >On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the > > > button on > > > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical eject > > > button > > > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) > > > --Ben > > > >Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open the > >eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or > > it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? ;-) > > > >Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good > >behaviour!!! > > > >The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn > >something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > > >Thomas > > > > > On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > > > > > >> On Tue, Aug 03, 1999 at 09:19:51AM -0500, > > >> James M. Cape wrote: > > >> > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > >> > > > > >> > > There's nothing wrong about mounting and umounting media. > > >> > > > >> > And there is also nothing wrong with providing a UI to configure > > >> > the > > >> > system to do it automatically. > > >> > > > >> > > >> I don't see what all the complaining about mounting is about. I'm > > >> running > > >> Debian 2.1 with the official Debian GNOME packages, and when I > > >> double-click > > >> the cd icon on the desktop it automatically mounts it and then > > >> opens up > > >> a MC window. To umount you can choose "Unmount" or "Eject" from > > >> its context > > >> menu. Seems to me that it can't get any simpler than that. > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com > > >> > > >> "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an > > >> abyss. > > >> A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous > > >> looking-back, > > >> a dangerous shuddering and stopping." > > >> --Friedrich Nietzsche > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > > >> http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > > > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > > >--- > > EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de > > > > > > > >-- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 28134 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 20:04:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 20:04:19 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24488 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:04:18 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA133 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:05:51 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.77]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA198 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:05:30 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA01957 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:53:34 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:53:07 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990807215306.A1710@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990806074844.A7256@talon> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990806074844.A7256@talon> X-Comment-To: James M . Cape X-Organization: The Purple Tentacle Conspiracy On Aug/06/1999, James M . Cape wrote: > Actually, the "Sticky" option makes the window follow you from desktop to > desktop, not prevent you from moving it. Ooops O:-) Then, it should better be called "Omnipresent" (like in Window Maker), I think :-m Anyway, that should be addressed to E developers, not here O:-) I'm cutting this thread right now :-) -- Roberto Suarez Soto | If I could, I would surrender myself mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | to that which is pure and true * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | - but how do we know? (Steve Vai) From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 28790 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 20:04:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 20:04:46 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24509 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:04:45 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05664; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 16:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37ACA2C4.F62129BB@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 17:19:00 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GCC 2.95 & GNOME Apps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, SEGV wrote: > > > > I suppose my question is: will GNOME ever be type safe and sound? > > It will if people submit patches... if binary compatible they can even go > in 1.0.x. I don't think a question like this is justified by a couple bugs > ni a brand-new compiler few people are using yet. It's (almost) always been an error to use a const char* to initialize/assign anything other than a const char* or (to avoid breaking code) a char*. >From Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming Langage" 3rd ed. 5.2.2 "String Literals": "A string literal can be assigned to a char*. This is allowed because in previous definitions of C and C++, the type of a string literal was char*. Allowing the assignment of a string literal to a char* ensures that millions of lines of C and C++ remain valid. It is, however, an error to try to modify a string literal through such a pointer." GNOME was written since that change. But I suppose without compiler enforcement those kinds of errors are easy to miss. Especially in the presence of the preprocessor. (I had assumed those macros were integer constants, not string constants!) As for the overloading ambiguity the new compiler version unmasked, that would not be a problem if the callbacks were typed. Using (...) disables all type checking of function pointer types. >From Stroustrup's "The C++ Programming Langage" 3rd ed. 7.6 "Unspecified Number of Arguments": "Clearly, if an argument has not been declared, the compiler does not have the information needed to perform the standard type checking and type conversion for it. ... A well-designed program needs at most a few functions for which the argument types are not completely specified." Under the current scheme, there is no type checking on callback registration and such callbacks cannot be overloaded (under a new compiler). > Very few people are using 2.95, thus you're finding bugs. We do want to > work with that compiler, so if you want to use it now, please submit > gnome-libs patches. Otherwise, we'll fix it when we upgrade to that > compiler. :-) > > At a minimum, please send a bug report to bugs.gnome.org so we remember to > deal with this issue. I will. -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 23504 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 21:35:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 21:35:45 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA30571 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:35:45 -0400 Received: from modem-156.name39.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.179.156] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DE7z-0006YO-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:35:43 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10817 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26:03 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26:03 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: how to play audio cd Message-ID: <19990807222603.B9454@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990805012204.57459.qmail@hotmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990805012204.57459.qmail@hotmail.com>; from Scott Haug on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:22:03PM -0500 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Scott Haug (eldamitri@hotmail.com) [990805 17:45]: > It isn't a gnome issue, but strangely enough this was dealt with on this > list about a week or so ago. You can follow the thread here. > > http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-list/1999-July/0782.shtml > > To diagnose the problem, we need to know more. First of all, can you get > cd's to play with your hardware set up at all? Do you dual boot to windows > and, if so, does it work there? What type of soundcard do you have? What > sound driver are you using (OSS or ALSA)? As the other poster mentioned, > have you checked your hardware connections and volume levels in a mixer > application? > > I have similar problems with my linux system. My soundcard is an Ensoniq > AudioPCI, and I was told that it is likely a driver issue. The OSS drivers > (at least the one's that come with the kernel) are broken WRT cd audio, but > that the ALSA drivers work. Unfortunately, I haven't had time to install > the ALSA drivers yet, so I can't comment on whether or not that fixed my > problem. > > Good luck! > > -Scott Audio cd stuff has nothing to do with soundcard drivers! btw, I have the same soundcard as you, and have no driver problems at all. What kernel are you using? Kernels 2.2+ all come with a built in driver for this. All it took me was one click in make xconfig to enable my soundcard. No configuration/modules/fiddling necessary... Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 23558 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 21:35:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 21:35:46 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA30575 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:35:46 -0400 Received: from modem-156.name39.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.179.156] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DE80-0006YO-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:35:45 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA10783 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:23:16 GMT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:23:16 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: how to play audio cd Message-ID: <19990807222316.A9454@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990805012204.57459.qmail@hotmail.com> <19990807174715.A4585@hek102.hek.uni-karlsruhe.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990807174715.A4585@hek102.hek.uni-karlsruhe.de>; from Patrick von der Hagen on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 05:47:15PM +0200 X-Mailer: Mutt (woof) 0.95.4us http://www.mutt.org/ X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk id WAA10783 * Patrick von der Hagen (patrick.vdhagen@gmx.de) [990807 18:48]: > On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 08:22:03PM -0500, Scott Haug wrote: > > It isn't a gnome issue, but strangely enough this was dealt with on t= his=20 > > list about a week or so ago. You can follow the thread here. > I think I=B4ll just join the club... >=20 > I am using an old Sony-8x-CD-ROM which works absolutely fine when I am > using xmcd, kscd, xmms or any Windows cd-player application. >=20 > It worked fine with gtcd a long long time ago... Back in the old days, > gnome 0.20 or gnome 0.25. But nowadays, it doesn=B4t work anymore. :-( >=20 > To be specific: I can use kscd to start cd-audio-playback and then view > the display of gtcd which is updated correctly (well, about half a seco= nd > delay, compared to kscd). I just can=B4t perform any actions with gtcd. > I can=B4t start, eject, skip tracks, etc. >=20 > No gtcd error-messages, but the kernel (2.2.10, but 2.0.35 showed the > same problems) reports (twice): > hdd: irq timeout: status=3D0x80 { Busy } > hdd: ATAPI reset complete >=20 > My cd-rom-drive has two lights: green, indicating normal access, red > showing cd-audio-playback. gtcd causes it to flash green once or twice, > and that=B4s it. Audio-playback is never started. >=20 > I think, that specific gtcd-problems are off-topic here, but since it h= as > been started... >=20 You're not mounting the CD first are you? I can't think why else the Kernel would report busy. --=20 .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 29452 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from mailout06.btx.dtag.de (mailout06.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31049 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:46:54 -0400 Received: from fwd08.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.168]) by mailout06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DEIn-0004WJ-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:46:53 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.178]) by fwd08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:46:41 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14460 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:32:30 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:32:30 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where's all the movement? Message-ID: <19990807233229.A14435@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990807171926.A1691@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Havoc Pennington on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 07:53:45PM -0700 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 07:53:45PM -0700 +++ Havoc Pennington e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > I get Gnome from CVS. So where are those things happening? I don't see > > much change in the CVS tree for, say, gnome-libs or gnome-core. Sure, > > documentation is written, bugs are fixed. Minor prettifications > > happen. I'm happy all this happens. But where are those big things? > > Have I got the concept of CVS wrong? Isn't the HEAD branch supposed to > > be the bleeding edge? > > > > If you care subscribe to cvs-commits (>500 messages per week) This is what I'll do. I've seen the weekly Gnome Summaries, but still I was wondering. > or wait for the roadmap, OK? I'm already waiting for the roadmap :) > The main action for a future gnome-libs is in Bonobo, libglade, gconf, > gnome-xml, gdk-pixbuf, etc. gnome-core won't change dramatically in the > next release (panel and control center). The new file manager is based on > Ettore's new VFS, which isn't in CVS but has lots of work done (Ettore > might send you a tarball if you ask). The gnome-wm module has one start on > a default WM, but that's still a bit up in the air. etc., there's some > other stuff, as I said we're working on a roadmap document. Thanks for the info. Is there a reason that the new VFS library is not in CVS? Too alpha (if that is possible)? Now, if I ask you how long that roadmap document will take you to make, you'll probably start saving immediately for a flight ticket to come over and kill me... so I won't... mawa -- No directory. From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 29451 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 21:46:55 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31048 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:46:54 -0400 Received: from fwd08.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.168]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DEIn-000888-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:46:53 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.178]) by fwd08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:46:44 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA14469 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:37:54 +0200 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:37:54 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net>; from Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 06:34:57PM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 06:34:57PM +0200 +++ Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old > >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the > >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this > >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than > >thousand icons. Thousand. > > And they have some guidelines for icons, IIRC. Why isn't anything happening here along these lines? We once used to have a list of "Icons That Have Yet To Be Made". What happened to it? Why isn't there a call for artists? How does one submit icons to the project? Is that possible or are all of Gnome's icons required to be made by Tigert? When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? (Sorry if I sound annoyed. Tigert surely is working on other great things.) > >Gnome, on the other hand, seems to have got only one person doing > >icons, and that's Tigert. When was the last time he painted an icon? > >Maybe he's overworked with something else and needs help. At times, > >the KDE project has done a hundred icons a month. > > Yes, he is Gimping, IIRC. And I guess lot of people saw "Tigert is doing > icons" and then all tought "ooops, place taken by a important guy, best go > somewhere to do other things". Not trying to insult tigert, but I feel the > rest of artists feel "scared", at least a bit. Torsten Rahn (the KDE lead artist) told me there's a problem with Tigert's attitude. I can't make any judgement here as I don't know Tigert. He is a great artist for sure, but maybe there should be someone else making icons, too. > >I've talked to KDE's lead artist at LinuxTag (he's the one > >coordinating the effort to turn KDE's ugly icons into nice high-colour > >ones). One of the people working on his team once wanted to lend > > Ugly, a bit. But they work nice in 256 colors. The lead artist himself said they were ugly, OK? [schnibble] I am not an artist. But if you think it's a good idea, I could put up some kind of "Gnome Art Central", a place for submission of new icons and such. mawa -- No directory. From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 14723 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 22:01:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 22:01:39 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA32102 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:01:39 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m43.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.171]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA19872 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:01:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37ACAB2F.AE87DF55@email.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 18:54:55 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) References: <199908071534.QAA23497@mail.idec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" wrote: > > >I got one mail from someone who did not see the option to turn off toolbar > >labels. Just uncheck "toolbars have text labels" checkbutton on the > >"Application Defaults" capplet in the "User Interface Options" section of > >the control center. > > Hehehe, I think I was the "someone"... but I am the other side: only text, > no icons. Btw: what control center? RH6 does not have that (at least my > RH6). New in latest Gnome upgrades? I don't have it either. My control center is 1.0.5-22 RPM, and Gnome is all latest RPMs from gurulabs. -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 81 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 22:21:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 22:21:46 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01494 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:21:44 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DEqU-0000bp-0A; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:21:43 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA10172; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:20:46 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:20:45 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Daniel Serodio cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) In-Reply-To: <37ACAB2F.AE87DF55@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" wrote: > > > > >I got one mail from someone who did not see the option to turn off toolbar > > >labels. Just uncheck "toolbars have text labels" checkbutton on the > > >"Application Defaults" capplet in the "User Interface Options" section of > > >the control center. > > > > Hehehe, I think I was the "someone"... but I am the other side: only text, > > no icons. Btw: what control center? RH6 does not have that (at least my > > RH6). New in latest Gnome upgrades? > > I don't have it either. My control center is 1.0.5-22 RPM, and Gnome is all > latest RPMs from gurulabs. What aren't you finding? Control Center? Foot Menu -> Settings -> Gnome Control Center. Go down the bottom of the list of caplets and click "Application Defaults". In the right-hand-side you should now see a list of tickboxes with descriptions. Untick "Toolbars have text labels" and restart your apps. Quite how to remove the icons and just have text I don't know... -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 12139 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 22:32:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 22:32:54 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA02818 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:32:53 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DF1H-0001Mv-0A; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:32:52 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA10189; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:31:55 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:31:54 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 06:34:57PM +0200 +++ > Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old > > >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the > > >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this > > >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than > > >thousand icons. Thousand. > > > > And they have some guidelines for icons, IIRC. > > Why isn't anything happening here along these lines? We once used to > have a list of "Icons That Have Yet To Be Made". What happened to it? > Why isn't there a call for artists? How does one submit icons to the > project? Is that possible or are all of Gnome's icons required to be > made by Tigert? When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? I think most of my GNOME Foot entries don't have icons. A shame really :( [ snip ] > I am not an artist. But if you think it's a good idea, I could put up > some kind of "Gnome Art Central", a place for submission of new icons > and such. I've been following some of your messages on the list for some time now, and it seems to me like you should take charge of a subset of GNOME organsational matters. Obviously, Miguel cannot be expected to co-ordinate and approve everything (although he has been doing a great job imo), so I wonder if your enthusiasm should be canned and let loose in a more directly constructive role. "Gnome Art Central" sounds good. If you could somehow co-ordinate a few artists (assuming you wouldn't be stepping on anyone's feet of course) to least get icons for all apps in the gnome-* packages sorted we'd have a mostly-complete foot menu graphically. /"I'm no artist btw"/ #include "stddisclaimer.h" -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 27653 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 22:50:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 22:50:04 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA04733 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:50:03 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.29]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:50:10 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37AC7CCF.6FFAB6C0@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:37:03 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" CC: james@daa.com.au, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) References: <199908071534.QAA23497@mail.idec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" wrote: > Hehehe, I think I was the "someone"... but I am the other side: only text, > no icons. Btw: what control center? RH6 does not have that (at least my > RH6). New in latest Gnome upgrades? I heard RedHat didn't ship ui-properties capplet with control-center because it's currently broken. Fortunatly I've configured it when it worked. Anyway, to get icons without text labels, please put following line: Toolbar_labels=false in .gnome/Gnome file after [UI_GnomeApp] tag. Don't know if text only is possible, Toolbar_icons=false doesn't work. -- BlackWine From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 2721 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 22:58:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 22:58:30 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05557 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:58:30 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DFQ4-00033n-0A for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:58:29 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA10269 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:57:32 +0100 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:57:31 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: What is that applet!? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, Please take a look at: http://e.themes.org/pic.cgi?src=/users/desk1999-08-07.3.jpg Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :) Any ideas? -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 5519 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:01:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:01:22 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA05866 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:01:20 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.29]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:01:36 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37AC7FCA.D18ED631@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:49:47 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthias Warkus CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? If you could take a look http://tigert.gimp.org/screenshot.png you would find Tigert is working on new GNOME icons. -- BlackWine From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 7926 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:05:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:05:00 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06122 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:04:58 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem196.webtribe.net [194.164.194.196]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id XAA27082; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:06:52 GMT Message-ID: <004601bee128$59a0bb80$c4c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "James Green" , References: Subject: Re: What is that applet!? Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:58:21 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right > of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to > configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :) It's the quicklauncher applet. It's in gnome-applets in CVS I believe. Iain From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 13713 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:11:13 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA06944 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:11:13 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m1.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.129]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20292; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:08:35 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37ACBAF4.6C27CBCD@email.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:02:12 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Green CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: What is that applet!? References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Green wrote: > > Hi all, > > Please take a look at: > > http://e.themes.org/pic.cgi?src=/users/desk1999-08-07.3.jpg > > Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right > of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to > configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :) QuickLaunch applet (included in gnome-core), it's under Add Applet | Utility -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 27924 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:37:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:37:00 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08896 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:37:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id TAA22655; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:36:58 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:36:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've made a collection of icons for the missing spots on the gnome menu and submitted them to tigert who in tern has been fitting them into CVS. I'd very much like to see a list of icons people want. I'd be happy to work on some. --Ben On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 06:34:57PM +0200 +++ > Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old > > >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the > > >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this > > >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than > > >thousand icons. Thousand. > > > > And they have some guidelines for icons, IIRC. > > Why isn't anything happening here along these lines? We once used to > have a list of "Icons That Have Yet To Be Made". What happened to it? > Why isn't there a call for artists? How does one submit icons to the > project? Is that possible or are all of Gnome's icons required to be > made by Tigert? When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? > > (Sorry if I sound annoyed. Tigert surely is working on other great > things.) > > > >Gnome, on the other hand, seems to have got only one person doing > > >icons, and that's Tigert. When was the last time he painted an icon? > > >Maybe he's overworked with something else and needs help. At times, > > >the KDE project has done a hundred icons a month. > > > > Yes, he is Gimping, IIRC. And I guess lot of people saw "Tigert is doing > > icons" and then all tought "ooops, place taken by a important guy, best go > > somewhere to do other things". Not trying to insult tigert, but I feel the > > rest of artists feel "scared", at least a bit. > > Torsten Rahn (the KDE lead artist) told me there's a problem with > Tigert's attitude. I can't make any judgement here as I don't know > Tigert. He is a great artist for sure, but maybe there should be > someone else making icons, too. > > > >I've talked to KDE's lead artist at LinuxTag (he's the one > > >coordinating the effort to turn KDE's ugly icons into nice high-colour > > >ones). One of the people working on his team once wanted to lend > > > > Ugly, a bit. But they work nice in 256 colors. > > The lead artist himself said they were ugly, OK? > > [schnibble] > > I am not an artist. But if you think it's a good idea, I could put up > some kind of "Gnome Art Central", a place for submission of new icons > and such. > > mawa > -- > No directory. > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 29991 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:39:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:39:46 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09114 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:39:45 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.61] (helo=lou-ts2-1.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11DG40-0001VM-00; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:39:44 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:43:20 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: What is that applet!? In-Reply-To: <37ACBAF4.6C27CBCD@email.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > > Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right > > of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to > > configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :) it's actually very easy to add mini-launchers to this! all you have to do is open up the 'foot menu' and drag whatever menu entry you want into the mini commander! simple and elegant i must say. ;-) ----- Flanders! My socks feel dirty! Gimme some water to wash 'em! -- Homer Simpson Boy-Scoutz N The Hood From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:24 2000 Received: (qmail 32607 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:44:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:44:09 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09429 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:44:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id TAA22674; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:44:00 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:44:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: James Green cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII When it comes to the text/icons/both issue, I hate to say that MS may have gotten it right with UI. IMHO the logical way to change the settings on a toolbar would be to right click on it to get a context menu, then select "icons only" or "text only" also sometimes it's useful to have different programs have this set differeently so having this be a global property isn't always ideal. >From a UI standpoint, which makes more sense: right clicking on something you want to change the properties of, or going into control center (a completely different app) to change it? --Ben On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > > > "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" wrote: > > > > > > >I got one mail from someone who did not see the option to turn off toolbar > > > >labels. Just uncheck "toolbars have text labels" checkbutton on the > > > >"Application Defaults" capplet in the "User Interface Options" section of > > > >the control center. > > > > > > Hehehe, I think I was the "someone"... but I am the other side: only text, > > > no icons. Btw: what control center? RH6 does not have that (at least my > > > RH6). New in latest Gnome upgrades? > > > > I don't have it either. My control center is 1.0.5-22 RPM, and Gnome is all > > latest RPMs from gurulabs. > > What aren't you finding? Control Center? Foot Menu -> Settings -> Gnome > Control Center. Go down the bottom of the list of caplets and click > "Application Defaults". In the right-hand-side you should now see a list > of tickboxes with descriptions. Untick "Toolbars have text labels" and > restart your apps. > > Quite how to remove the icons and just have text I don't know... > > -- > James Green > http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ > Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 2408 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:45:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:45:51 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA09567 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:45:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 7386 invoked by uid 0); 7 Aug 1999 23:46:20 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:46:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 4973 invoked by uid 501); 7 Aug 1999 23:46:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:46:18 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Icon suggestion X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14252.50192.922515.100519@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. 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From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 3597 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:46:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:46:43 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09692 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:46:42 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id DAA19231; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:19:52 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:19:52 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: SEGV cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GCC 2.95 & GNOME Apps In-Reply-To: <37ACA2C4.F62129BB@cgocable.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm not saying it's correct - just this: do you normally catch all language errors before you try compiling? :-) Add to it that it *is* correct C (if not optimal C), and that's what most people are building with. So, we need to use the compiler to catch this stuff. Sorry about the earlier post, it's just that so many people insert lines in their bug report or question or idea implying that whatever small error they've found is indicative of a deeply-rooted pathology, and occasionally I get a bit grumpy about it. :-) Havoc From kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 11994 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:55:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:55:29 -0000 Received: from zaphod.winstar.com (1Cust238.tnt1.bel-air.md.da.uu.net [153.35.78.238]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10730 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:55:28 -0400 Received: from winstar.com (IDENT:kevin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.winstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA10890 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:56:37 -0400 Sender: kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Message-ID: <37ACC7B5.567671D6@winstar.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:56:37 -0400 From: Kevin der Kinderen Reply-To: kevin@winstar.com Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.23smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: GMIX 3.0 - no volume control? Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------B84E93BF757EF960C0085F09" --------------B84E93BF757EF960C0085F09 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi: Does GMIX 3.0 have a master volume control on your machine? Related to this, the mixer applet doesn't work at all. When I try to move the slider, it runs right back up to the top. Is this because of the onboard cs4323? I can change the volumen on the individual components (CD, PCM). [config: rh6.0, latest updates, MS440GX mother board with cs4232 (as discovered by soundconfig)] Thanks, Kevin -- Kevin AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 --------------B84E93BF757EF960C0085F09 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi:

Does GMIX 3.0 have a master volume control on your machine? Related to this, the mixer applet doesn't work at all. When I try to move the slider, it runs right back up to the top. Is this because of the onboard cs4323? I can change the volumen on the individual components (CD, PCM).

[config: rh6.0, latest updates, MS440GX mother board with cs4232 (as discovered by soundconfig)]

Thanks,
Kevin
  

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Kevin
AIM: kkinderen  icq 9219322
  --------------B84E93BF757EF960C0085F09-- From kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 15475 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:59:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:59:16 -0000 Received: from zaphod.winstar.com (1Cust238.tnt1.bel-air.md.da.uu.net [153.35.78.238]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11166 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:59:15 -0400 Received: from winstar.com (IDENT:kevin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.winstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA10923 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:00:24 -0400 Sender: kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Message-ID: <37ACC898.A4644839@winstar.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:00:24 -0400 From: Kevin der Kinderen Reply-To: kevin@winstar.com Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.23smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: What is that applet!? References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------BA47ADE9F24E73A7F9AF8A51" --------------BA47ADE9F24E73A7F9AF8A51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the applet but have a couple of things that bother me about it. 1) Once an app is placed, it can't be reordered within the applet. 2) You can't add a second mini-launcher applet. I was hoping to do this to group apps. Other than these two comments it is pretty cool. Kevin "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote: > > > Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right > > > of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to > > > configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :) > > it's actually very easy to add mini-launchers to this! all you have to do > is open up the 'foot menu' and drag whatever menu entry you want into the > mini commander! simple and elegant i must say. ;-) > > ----- > Flanders! My socks feel dirty! Gimme some water to wash 'em! > > -- Homer Simpson > Boy-Scoutz N The Hood > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Kevin AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 --------------BA47ADE9F24E73A7F9AF8A51 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I use the applet but have a couple of things that bother me about it.

1) Once an app is placed, it can't be reordered within the applet.

2) You can't add a second mini-launcher applet. I was hoping to do this to group apps.

Other than these two comments it is pretty cool.

Kevin
 

"jack wallen, jr" wrote:

On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Daniel Serodio wrote:
> > Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right
> > of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to
> > configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :)

it's actually very easy to add mini-launchers to this!  all you have to do
is open up the 'foot menu' and drag whatever menu entry you want into the
mini commander!  simple and elegant i must say. ;-)

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  --------------BA47ADE9F24E73A7F9AF8A51-- From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 16885 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:59:56 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11263 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:59:55 -0400 Received: from fwd02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.162]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DGNW-0005IR-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:59:54 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.123]) by fwd02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:59:47 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28848 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:50:40 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:50:40 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990808015040.A28842@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from James Green on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 11:31:54PM +0100 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 11:31:54PM +0100 +++ James Green e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Why isn't anything happening here along these lines? We once used to > > have a list of "Icons That Have Yet To Be Made". What happened to it? > > Why isn't there a call for artists? How does one submit icons to the > > project? Is that possible or are all of Gnome's icons required to be > > made by Tigert? When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? > > I think most of my GNOME Foot entries don't have icons. A shame really :( Exactly. And this has been like that for over half a year. It's not only a shame, it makes the project look like "Hey! They're not even able to cobble up icons for they friggin' foot menu!" The trouble is that painting icons is harder than writing code. But press people and other such nuisances don't know that. > [ snip ] > > > I am not an artist. But if you think it's a good idea, I could put up > > some kind of "Gnome Art Central", a place for submission of new icons > > and such. > > I've been following some of your messages on the list for some time now, > and it seems to me like you should take charge of a subset of GNOME > organsational matters. I feel flattered. But I'm not a coder, thus I'm without any prestige whatsoever in the community, which makes me a pretty bad choice as an organisator. I have nevertheless done the frivolous act of posting a status report on Gnome icons. Maybe I can coordinate some people who want to paint icons, but don't know it yet. :) > Obviously, Miguel cannot be expected to co-ordinate > and approve everything (although he has been doing a great job imo), so I > wonder if your enthusiasm should be canned and let loose in a more > directly constructive role. My enthusiasm is already pretty much canned in keeping the source tree translated and keeping the translations committed, thank you... but maybe you're right. > "Gnome Art Central" sounds good. If you could somehow co-ordinate a few > artists (assuming you wouldn't be stepping on anyone's feet of course) to > least get icons for all apps in the gnome-* packages sorted we'd have a > mostly-complete foot menu graphically. > > /"I'm no artist btw"/ > > #include "stddisclaimer.h" OK. Who's an artist? We need artists. I found out we need nearly a hundred icons. Let's go. mawa -- > Err...X isn't an OS and it never will be. No, but it is pretty good evidence for why embedding a GUI in an OS is neither necessary nor desirable. -- Kent Paul Dolan From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 16923 invoked from network); 7 Aug 1999 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 1999 23:59:57 -0000 Received: from mailout09.btx.dtag.de (mailout09.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.157]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11264 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:59:56 -0400 Received: from fwd02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.162]) by mailout09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DGNW-0001z7-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:59:54 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.123]) by fwd02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:59:50 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA28840 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:45:30 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:45:30 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearly hundred" report Message-ID: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Rationale: Gnome needs more icons. No one seems to be painting new ones. Even the already-existing pixmaps are not used where they could be. This needs volunteers to be solved. Maybe this attracts some. Maybe not. But trust me on the sunscreen. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gnome Icon Status Report ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ as of August 8th, 1999 by mawa By no means complete, as this report was done solely on my system. Entries which are part of gnome-core, gnome-applets, gnome-utils or another core package should be regarded as having a higher priority. Developers are urged to browse down; in the panel context menu, eight icon positions are empty which could be filled up without creating any new artwork. The desktop files or menu pixmaps are simply not set. MISSING ICONS IN THE FOOT MENU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Submenu icons: - Applications - Games - Graphics - System - Utilities - Administration Games: - Gnotravex - Gnibbles - gTuring (10) - gataxx Graphics: - ggv Internet: - Synchronize - Gnome Mailman - X-Chat Multimedia: - ESD Volume Meter System: - GnoRPM is using "foot question mark" icon - Shut Down or Reboot Settings Submenus: - Desktop (-) Multimedia - Peripherals Settings: (20) - User Interface Options - Gnome Edit Properties - Mime Types (-) Shut Down or Reboot User Interface Options: - Application Defaults - MDI Utilities: - Gnome Search Tool - Gnome DiskFree - Stripchart Plotter using "foot question mark" icon - System Info (guname) (30) - User Listing (gw) - Text File Viewer (gless) - Gnome Penguin - Font Selector - guiTAR - System monitor using "foot question mark" icon - GDict Administration: - GULP MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Main panel context menu: (-) System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) (-) User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) - Add applet (40) (-) Add main menu (could use foot icon) (-) Add drawer (could use drawer pixmap) (-) Add logout button (could use logout button pixmap) (-) Add lock button (could use lock button pixmap) - Add swallowed app - Add new launcher - Convert to corner panel - Create new panel (-) Remove this panel (could use stock pixmap) "Add Applet" submenus: (50) - Amusements - Clocks - Monitors - Utility Amusements submenu: - Fish - Fifteen - Game of Life - SlashApp - gEyes Clocks: - Clock (60) - AfterStep Clock - Clock and Mailcheck - JBC Binary Clock - Another Clock Monitors: - Battery Charge Monitor - CPU/MEM Usage - Disk Usage - CPULoad - MemLoad - SwapLoad (70) - NetLoad Multimedia: (-) CD Player (could use icon from foot menu) - Mixer - Sound Monitor Network: - Mailcheck - Web Control (-) Clock and Mailcheck - Modem Lights (-) PPP Applet (could use icon from foot menu) Utility: - Printer Applet (80) - Drive Mount - Character Picker - Gnome Pager - Mini Commander (-) GDict - Tick-a-Stat - Task List - Desk Guide - Where am I? - GNotes! (90) - Gnome Weather CONFLICTS ~~~~~~~~~ - Balsa and TkRat using same icon -> need for one additional icon - GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon -> need for one additional icon - Colour XTerm and Regular Xterm using same icon -> need for additional one - Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon -> need for additional one - Sound properties, Multimedia submenu and Audio Mixer using same icon -> need for two new icons (- Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu using same icon (OK IMHO)) (- same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in applet menu) - "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same icon -> need for one more - "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show bookmarks window" in the help browser using same icon (100) -> need for two more TOTAL ~~~~~ Doing a rough count of all the dashes I made and the icons the "Conflicts" section requires, I come up to exactly 100 icons that are missing from Gnome's two most important menus. Deducting 13 positions which can be filled by existing icons or that are duplicate, we can estimate that 87 icons need to be made. That is only the beginning, but I dare not think of what's beyond the foot menu and panel context menu. REMARKS ~~~~~~~ IMHO, applications or submenus which have not got a proper icon yet should consider using a different icon with a related theme or the "foot question mark" icon instead of simply leaving a blank. The first thing I'll do now is mail the maintainers of some applications whether they can provide icons or change their .desktop files if they've got suitable pixmaps. This report needs to be amended with other icon-related problems which surely exist. Mail me. And of course the mentioned problems need to be solved. Maybe we can solve them. Mail me if you want to paint an icon. I can then perhaps estimate how many people would like to do icons for Gnome and schedule somehow who's doing what. It takes hours to paint a good icon. If you want to paint icons for Gnome, paint them *one* *by* *one* and put at least a day of work into each one. It's necessary, trust me. If you can't paint but have got ideas on the motifs for icons that are yet to be made, mail me, too. They might go into the next report. See you next week. mawa -- Zwei Dinge sind unendlich - Das Universum und die menchliche Dummheit. -- Albert Einstein From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 19797 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:02:45 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11405 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:02:45 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA22473; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37ACDA8B.35526EBA@cgocable.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 21:17:00 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GCC 2.95 & GNOME Apps References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Havoc Pennington wrote: > > I'm not saying it's correct - just this: do you normally catch all > language errors before you try compiling? :-) > > Add to it that it *is* correct C (if not optimal C), and that's what most > people are building with. > > So, we need to use the compiler to catch this stuff. > > Sorry about the earlier post, it's just that so many people insert lines > in their bug report or question or idea implying that whatever small error > they've found is indicative of a deeply-rooted pathology, and occasionally > I get a bit grumpy about it. :-) Nah I make errors too, just pointing it out. There'll probably be more unmasked by GCC 2.95 (both C++ and C compilers) but so far my app seems to be working great. And I believe it is incorrect C as well, just compilers aren't necessarily enforcing it. I guess the question is: in ISO C, is a string literal a const char* (as in ISO C++) or still a char* (which I very much doubt)? PS: I bugged it. -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 29912 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:14:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:14:38 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12814 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:14:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA22136; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:22:49 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:22:48 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Ben Frantzdale cc: Richard Ekle , Gnome List Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII About the CD tray being locked when gtcd is open, Linux locks the tray if any program has the CD drive device open (either as a CD player program does, or if it is mounted). Currently gtcd holds the CD device open so that it can send commands and read status from it. This is why you can't use the eject button while gtcd is open. I think one of Tim's (the guy who wrote gtcd) plans for the new version of gtcd was to set it up so it only opened the cd drive device when it actually wanted to do something. This would fix the problem you seing. Don't ask when this will be ready though -- that depends on how much time Tim has (gtcd2 will have a number of other internal changes as well as this). If you want to see that behaviour in the current gtcd, patches are welcome. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Ben Frantzdale wrote: > I've found this problem with audio CDs. (not quite the same situation) > Both the panel CD player and the gnome cd player lock the CD-rom eject > button so I can only use the software eject button. What happens if I have > both of these cdplayers opened is the eject button on neither of them > works. I assume this is because each will only let the cd-rom eject when > it says so, but because I can't hit the eject button on both programs > simulaniously, I can't eject without closing one of 'em. I've been meaning > to mention this. I don't see why any audio cd player should be locking the > drive. When I hit the hardware eject button that must mean I want to stop > the song... duah. > > --Ben > From weberd@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 31292 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:15:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:15:10 -0000 Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12902 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:15:10 -0400 Received: from austin.rr.com ([24.28.70.58]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 19:14:50 -0500 Sender: weberd@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37ACCC77.FF370C11@austin.rr.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 19:16:55 -0500 From: Daniel Weber Organization: Sematech X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <19990808015040.A28842@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > OK. Who's an artist? We need artists. I found out we need nearly a > hundred icons. Let's go. > If someone will post the requirments for icons, I'd be willing to take on one or two.. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 5401 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:27:31 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13908 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:27:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA22210; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:35:46 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 08:35:46 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Icon suggestion In-Reply-To: <14252.50192.922515.100519@desk.crynwr.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You probably were playing with gil. Since gil is not finished yet and we don't have svg rendering ready in any of the main applications at the moment, pixmap icons are what we need at the moment. But some svg icons may be a good idea at some point in the future. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 nelson-gnome@crynwr.com wrote: > Miguel was showing me a vector-based graphics renderer at the ZD Open > Source Expo (sorry, I don't remember the name of it). If we had > vector-based graphics for icons, then a whole theme of icons could be > generated simply by specifying the proper transform for the vectors, > along with a pixmap of an empty icon. > > Just a thought. > > -- > -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson > Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so > 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur > Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From rebecca.ore@op.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 9831 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:36:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:36:26 -0000 Received: from ogoense.net (static-23.blackbox.netaxs.com [207.106.50.23]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14389 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:36:24 -0400 Received: (from rebecca@localhost) by ogoense.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id UAA00952 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:48:02 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:48:02 -0400 From: Rebecca Ore To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990807204802.D834@ogoense.net> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <19990808015040.A28842@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <19990808015040.A28842@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 01:50:40AM +0200 On Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 01:50:40AM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: (Snips) > > The trouble is that painting icons is harder than writing code. But > press people and other such nuisances don't know that. > I don't know if my icons that I've done in the past are good icons but I can do something graphic a whole lot more than I can code. Give me the sizes needed and I'll make some stabs at it. -- Rebecca Ore From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 14748 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:40:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:40:55 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14923 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:40:54 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.61] (helo=lou-ts2-1.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11DH1A-0005Hc-00; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:40:53 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:44:29 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <19990807204802.D834@ogoense.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i suppose this might be a way for me to help as well! if someone would post the specs for icons i'll try to create some as well (could someone also - if anyone knows - post what icons are needed). i'd love to be able to offer something ;-) ----- A boy without mischief is like a bowling ball without a liquid center. -- Homer Simpson Lisa The Breek From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 18045 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:43:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:43:13 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15270 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:43:12 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem164.webtribe.net [194.164.194.164]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA28124; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:45:06 GMT Message-ID: <000701bee136$13060dc0$a4c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: , "Matthias Warkus" References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:35:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > > >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old > > >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the > > >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this > > >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than > > >thousand icons. Thousand. I take it that you're using icons as a metaphor for how developed Gnome is compared to KDE. (If not, I'm sure that if we all stopped working on various coding for a couple of weeks, we could pump out a few thousand icons and beat KDE into the ground) Don't forget KDE is a year older than Gnome. When I got Linux installed (about September 98)I got KDE 0.9 with it, and quite frankly IMHO, it was unusable. I basically gave up on X windows, until someone showed me www.gnome.org. At that point Gnome was in V0.30. I think that Gnome is ahead of where Kde was a year ago, and is catching up. But we have a year's ground to catch up, and a lot of coding can happen in a year, so we can't catch up overnight. Just my opinion (although I think I lost the point somewhere) Iain From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 20581 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from mailout07.btx.dtag.de (mailout07.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.155]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15523 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:44:49 -0400 Received: from fwd07.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.167]) by mailout07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DH4s-0001ex-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:44:42 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.157]) by fwd07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:44:29 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29149 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:32:19 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:32:18 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990808023218.A29124@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <37AC7FCA.D18ED631@optimus.wroc.pl> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37AC7FCA.D18ED631@optimus.wroc.pl>; from Kuba Winnicki on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:49:47PM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:49:47PM +0200 +++ Kuba Winnicki e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? > > If you could take a look http://tigert.gimp.org/screenshot.png you would > find Tigert is working on new GNOME icons. I feel very relieved that this problem looks like it's only a problem with communication and/or my intelligence, not with Tigert. But seriously, where on the Gnome page is a link or a message that tells me that work is being done on icons? mawa -- Dyson Spheres for sale! For further information, call Hydrogen 21 cm (Alpha Centauri; $125/ns) From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 20588 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:44:55 -0000 Received: from mailout08.btx.dtag.de (mailout08.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15524 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:44:49 -0400 Received: from fwd07.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.167]) by mailout08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DH4s-0001Ph-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:44:42 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.157]) by fwd07.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:44:31 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29162 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:35:01 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:35:01 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Message-ID: <19990808023501.B29124@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Frantzdale on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 07:44:00PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 07:44:00PM -0400 +++ Ben Frantzdale e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. >From a UI standpoint, which makes more sense: right clicking on something > you want to change the properties of, or going into control center (a > completely different app) to change it? For a system-wide setting, it's no doubt more logical to go to the control centre, as all the system-wide configuration of Gnome is supposed to be done there. mawa -- I made my way through the computer controlled monorail, car by car, cruising for sentient beings. -- Mark Leyner, My Cousin, My Gastroenterologist From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 23129 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:46:12 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA15676 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:46:11 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem164.webtribe.net [194.164.194.164]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA28175; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 00:48:05 GMT Message-ID: <000f01bee136$7df14500$a4c2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: , "Matthias Warkus" References: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <19990808015040.A28842@audrey> Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:39:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > OK. Who's an artist? We need artists. I found out we need nearly a > hundred icons. Let's go. Stick up a list on a webpage somewhere, so the artistic among us (of which I am NOT one) can see what they need to do. Iain From gregm@comstar.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 26015 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:49:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:49:41 -0000 Received: from coco.comstar.net (root@coco.comstar.net [207.15.208.53]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16141 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:49:41 -0400 Received: from coco (gregm@coco [127.0.0.1] (may be forged)) by coco.comstar.net (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA06160; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:49:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199908080049.UAA06160@coco.comstar.net> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: Rebecca Ore Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: Your message of "Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:48:02 EDT." <19990807204802.D834@ogoense.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:49:49 -0400 From: Gregory McLean Lemme say this.. This is the sizes that are currently in use. Desktop icons: 48x48 Menu Icons: 24x24 So that would be my guess for sizes needed right off. I think they are scaled to other sizes.. Gregory McLean |"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." RFC1925 comstar.net inc. | programmer / analyst | icq: ! | 770.485.6016 Work:| Play: or ----------------This is my opinion, All MINE! I tell you------------------ From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 29195 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 00:53:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 00:53:32 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA16480 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:53:32 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.61] (helo=lou-ts2-1.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11DHDO-0005st-00; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:53:30 -0400 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:57:06 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <199908080049.UAA06160@coco.comstar.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Gregory McLean wrote: and these are saved in .png format? > Lemme say this.. This is the sizes that are currently in use. > > Desktop icons: 48x48 > Menu Icons: 24x24 > > So that would be my guess for sizes needed right off. I think they are > scaled > to other sizes.. > > > Gregory McLean |"With sufficient thrust, pigs fly just fine." > RFC1925 > comstar.net inc. | programmer / analyst | icq: ! | 770.485.6016 > Work:| Play: or > ----------------This is my opinion, All MINE! I tell you------------------ > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > ----- Asleep at the switch! I wasn't asleep! I was drunk! -- Homer Simpson Homer The Vigilante From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 3425 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 01:03:27 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA17101 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:03:26 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-64.powerisp.com [199.105.137.64]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id SAA02515 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:02:16 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37ACD6B6.9F876FA6@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 20:00:38 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Gregory McLean wrote: > > and these are saved in .png format? > > > Lemme say this.. This is the sizes that are currently in use. > > > > Desktop icons: 48x48 > > Menu Icons: 24x24 > > > > So that would be my guess for sizes needed right off. I think they are > > scaled > > to other sizes.. Typically only the 48x48 icons are. GNOME resizes them for the menu. Toolbar icons are 24x24 though. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From pts@bom.gov.au Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 13272 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 01:15:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 01:15:41 -0000 Received: from sunshine.ho.bom.gov.au (sunshine.ho.BoM.GOV.AU [134.178.6.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18480 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:15:39 -0400 Received: from bom.gov.au (ho-ts-1-p6.bom.gov.au [134.178.6.216]) by sunshine.ho.bom.gov.au with ESMTP (8.7.1/8.7.3) id BAA22983; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:15:35 GMT Sender: pts@bom.gov.au Message-ID: <37ACDA20.AD7D0C61@bom.gov.au> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:15:13 +1000 From: Paul Organization: National Climate Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; FreeBSD 3.0-RELEASE i386) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Help PLEASE! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit To quote Michael Cain (even though I don't like his movies much actually) "Somebody, Somewhere MUST know Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" so could someone please help! Ok see, I've installed this lovely GNOME over the last few weeks. But one of the main reasons I did so was to get this drag and drop front end. Now, if I drop a text file onto a gnome editor (as a short cut on the desktop) it doesn't auto launch with the text file in it. I thought this was what drag and drop was all about. (the Mac and windoze can do it). Now with this great and sophisticated and configurable gnome front end it wouldn't surprise me if I'm just doing something wrong in my properties setup for example. For a start "should" this work? If so how to configure? Is there any good doco or info anyone can point me to to find out? Should I be posting this question somewhere else in gnome cyberspace? If this is a really silly question to seasoned gnomers please forgive me but I've only been learning the stuff for a handfull of days. Any answers long short or tiny warmly welcomed!:) TIA, Paul. From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 24692 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 01:28:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 01:28:45 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA19999 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:28:44 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-29.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.42]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id CAA15155; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:28:37 +0100 Message-Id: <199908080128.CAA15155@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 03:31:10 +0200 To: frantzdb@admin.arhs.net From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >When it comes to the text/icons/both issue, I hate to say that MS may have >gotten it right with UI. IMHO the logical way to change the settings on a >toolbar would be to right click on it to get a context menu, then select >"icons only" or "text only" also sometimes it's useful to have different >programs have this set differeently so having this be a global property >isn't always ideal. Yes, sometimes text, sometimes icons, sometimes both. The global is for the defaults. >>From a UI standpoint, which makes more sense: right clicking on something >you want to change the properties of, or going into control center (a >completely different app) to change it? Right click, I guess. At least is faster. I do not know why such things (widgets in general) has no right click menu hen they should. GSR From MStearne@eisolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 14871 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 02:05:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 02:05:31 -0000 Received: from mail.webcombo.net (root@mail.webcombo.net [207.250.9.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA22951 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:05:31 -0400 Received: from eisolutions.com (PPPa5-ResaleCamden1-3R1060.saturn.bbn.com [4.16.120.112]) by mail.webcombo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA32653; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 21:02:28 -0500 Message-ID: <37ACE61F.165ED148@eisolutions.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:06:23 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kuba Winnicki CC: Matthias Warkus , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <37AC7FCA.D18ED631@optimus.wroc.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I see in the screen shot that the windows have the MacOS 8.5 (NeXT) style scroll bars, up/down arrows at the bottom. Is this a part of a newer release of GNOME or something else. Also, I see a Trash Can. When did that show up? Thanks, Michael Kuba Winnicki wrote: > > Matthias Warkus wrote: > > > When will Tigert next paint an icon? Next year maybe? > > If you could take a look http://tigert.gimp.org/screenshot.png you would > find Tigert is working on new GNOME icons. > > -- BlackWine > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 5727 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 02:38:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 02:38:14 -0000 Received: from engmail.uwaterloo.ca (engmail.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.50.62]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA26767 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:38:10 -0400 From: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Received: from 129.97.58.10 (globe [129.97.50.11]) by engmail.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA66965 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:38:04 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca) Message-Id: <199908080238.WAA66965@engmail.uwaterloo.ca> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Help PLEASE! Date: Sun, 8 Aug 99 02:21:44 +0000 X-Mailer: Endymion MailMan v2.0 Hi, I would love to help but I think that a few pieces of information might help. The first is, how did you install GNOME? Did you use a package tool such as dpg (from Debian) or rpm (from SUSE or Redhat)? If so, did you make sure to install the drag-and-drop (dnd) libraries? Did you notice any dependency problems when you installed the GNOME packages? Did you force the installation regardless of the dependencies (I have done this before too ;))? If so, you might want to go back and check to make sure that the dependency conflicts did not involve the dnd libraries. If they do, you may not have them installed. If you compiled the GNOME packaged yourself, one of the configure scripts should complain about dnd libraries missing. If you are compiling the packages yourself, I would suggest looking at www.gnome.org for the list of libraries and utilities that you need to have installed in order to get GNOME compiled and installed properly. There really is no setting in GNOME for turning on or turning off the drag-and-drop option. This is why I mentioned the things that I did above. The last thing that I might suggest is that I have noticed that the drag-and-drop sometimes fails or takes several tries from gmc (the file manager). I have found myself either trying the dnd many times or just using the menu options to move things around. This is usually between gmc windows and may be linked to your case as well. You would just need to try whatever you are doing again. Generally, I don't have any problems dragging a file from gmc to any of the open GNOME applications like gedit or ggv or electric eyes. I hope this helps. Bidemi Temidire 


To quote Michael Cain (even though I don't like his movies much
actually)
"Somebody, Somewhere MUST know Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

so could someone please help!



Ok see, I've installed this lovely GNOME over the last few weeks.
But one of the main reasons I did so was to get this drag and drop
front end. Now, if I drop a text file onto a gnome editor (as a short
cut on the desktop) it doesn't auto launch with the text file in it. I
thought this was what drag and drop was all about. (the Mac and
windoze can do it).

Now with this great and sophisticated and configurable gnome front
end it wouldn't surprise me if I'm just doing something wrong in my
properties setup for example.


For a start "should" this work?
If so how to configure?
Is there any good doco or info anyone can point me to to find out?
Should I be posting this question somewhere else in gnome cyberspace?


If this is a really silly question to seasoned gnomers please forgive
me but I've only been learning the stuff for a handfull of days.

Any answers long short or tiny warmly welcomed!:)



TIA,
Paul.










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From kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 21163 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 03:08:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 03:08:55 -0000 Received: from zaphod.winstar.com (1Cust238.tnt1.bel-air.md.da.uu.net [153.35.78.238]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28594 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:08:54 -0400 Received: from winstar.com (IDENT:kevin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.winstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA02434 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:10:02 -0400 Sender: kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Message-ID: <37ACF50A.59F3EBD3@winstar.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 23:10:02 -0400 From: Kevin der Kinderen Reply-To: kevin@winstar.com Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.23smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Questions Subject: Re: Enlightenment appearance on FreeBSD vs. RedHat References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------7B8829820F1583D87798ABE8" --------------7B8829820F1583D87798ABE8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may be a strange follow-on question - but can Enlightenment stand alone? Without gnome? I think I'm having conflicts between gnome themes and enlightenment themes and am curious how themes work in a gnome-less enlightenment. (RH6). BTW: issue with themes is that enlightenment themes don't seem to do anything at all except change window borders. Backgrounds, icons and all stay the same - never like the etheme screenshots. Kevin James Henstridge wrote: > Enlightenment is a very configurable window manager, as you have just > found. A lot of what you see on the RH6 desktop is actually GNOME, so if > you don't have gnome on the freebsd box, you won't have access to those > features. > > As for the look of enlightenment, middle click on the desktop and select > the desired theme from the themes menu (what you see on the RH6 desktop is > probably the clean theme). Try out the other themes, and see what you > like (remember that the more flashy themes also use more memory). > > To get the extra functionality, you may have to start a few extra GNOME > programs. As a start, try putting the following in your X startup file: > exec gnome-session > > With this single line, it will give you session management, start the > window manager, panel and GMC. (of course you need gnome-core, gmc, etc > installed for this to work correctly). > > James. > > -- > Email: james@daa.com.au > WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ > > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Roy Bettle wrote: > > > Good evening all. Quick question (I think): > > > > FreeBSD 3.2 Machine: > > > > Intel 166 non-MMX > > 32MB RAM > > 2, 1GB IDE > > 512MB swap > > 1MB S3 video > > 14" SVGA monitor > > > > RedHat 6.0 Machine: > > > > Intel 233 MMX > > 32MB RAM > > 128MB swap > > 7, 1GB SCSI > > 1MB Daytona64 > > 15" SVGA monitor > > > > Please advise if more details are needed. > > > > On the RedHat box, the Enlightenment desktop looks a great deal like a > > Win9x (sorry for the comparison) desktop complete with an "Explorer" > > (Midnight Commander, right?), Control Panels, etc. > > > > On the FreeBSD box, it looks, well, wierd. Virtually nothing on the > > desktop plus a bunch of icons that are shaped like something out of a > > Star Trek TNG movie. > > > > Further, I can't get any serious functionality out of the FreeBSD box > > (change networking, etc.), but on the RedHat box I have what appears to > > be total control via Enlightenment. > > > > Have I done something wrong? > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > RAB > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Kevin AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 --------------7B8829820F1583D87798ABE8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit This may be a strange follow-on question - but can Enlightenment stand alone? Without gnome? I think I'm having conflicts between gnome themes and enlightenment themes and am curious how themes work in a gnome-less enlightenment. (RH6).

BTW: issue with themes is that enlightenment themes don't seem to do anything at all except change window borders. Backgrounds, icons and all stay the same - never like the etheme screenshots.

Kevin
 

James Henstridge wrote:

Enlightenment is a very configurable window manager, as you have just
found.  A lot of what you see on the RH6 desktop is actually GNOME, so if
you don't have gnome on the freebsd box, you won't have access to those
features.

As for the look of enlightenment, middle click on the desktop and select
the desired theme from the themes menu (what you see on the RH6 desktop is
probably the clean theme).  Try out the other themes, and see what you
like (remember that the more flashy themes also use more memory).

To get the extra functionality, you may have to start a few extra GNOME
programs.  As a start, try putting the following in your X startup file:
  exec gnome-session

With this single line, it will give you session management, start the
window manager, panel and GMC.  (of course you need gnome-core, gmc, etc
installed for this to work correctly).

James.

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WWW:   http://www.daa.com.au/~james/

On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Roy Bettle wrote:

> Good evening all.  Quick question (I think):
>
> FreeBSD 3.2 Machine:
>
> Intel 166 non-MMX
> 32MB RAM
> 2, 1GB IDE
> 512MB swap
> 1MB S3 video
> 14" SVGA monitor
>
> RedHat 6.0 Machine:
>
> Intel 233 MMX
> 32MB RAM
> 128MB swap
> 7, 1GB SCSI
> 1MB Daytona64
> 15" SVGA monitor
>
> Please advise if more details are needed.
>
> On the RedHat box, the Enlightenment desktop looks a great deal like a
> Win9x (sorry for the comparison) desktop complete with an "Explorer"
> (Midnight Commander, right?), Control Panels, etc.
>
> On the FreeBSD box, it looks, well, wierd.  Virtually nothing on the
> desktop plus a bunch of icons that are shaped like something out of a
> Star Trek TNG movie.
>
> Further, I can't get any serious functionality out of the FreeBSD box
> (change networking, etc.), but on the RedHat box I have what appears to
> be total control via Enlightenment.
>
> Have I done something wrong?
>
> Thanks for your help.
>
> RAB
>

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  --------------7B8829820F1583D87798ABE8-- From michael@selectrec.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 30713 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 03:22:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 03:22:56 -0000 Received: from selectrec.net (ftp2.selectrec.net [209.184.56.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29672 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:22:56 -0400 Received: from selectrec.net (209.184.56.77) by selectrec.net with ESMTP (Eudora Internet Mail Server 2.1); Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:23:19 -0500 Sender: michael@selectrec.net Message-ID: <37ACF632.ED53AE6@selectrec.net> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:14:59 -0500 From: Michael Vanderford X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9-19mdk i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Makeing Yes default Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When ever i get propted @ YES/NO dialog boxes the default selection is NO . Does any one no the steps to make the default YES. From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 3151 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 03:29:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 03:29:43 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA30120 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:29:42 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-64.powerisp.com [199.105.137.64]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA13867; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:28:42 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37ACF8FC.7D487B94@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:26:52 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: kevin@winstar.com CC: Gnome Questions Subject: Re: Enlightenment appearance on FreeBSD vs. RedHat References: <37ACF50A.59F3EBD3@winstar.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > This may be a strange follow-on question - but can Enlightenment stand > alone? Without gnome? I think I'm having conflicts between gnome > themes and enlightenment themes and am curious how themes work in a > gnome-less enlightenment. (RH6). > > BTW: issue with themes is that enlightenment themes don't seem to do > anything at all except change window borders. Backgrounds, icons and > all stay the same - never like the etheme screenshots. > > Kevin Yes, it is possible to run Enlightenment without GNOME, although there is no benefit to doing so (aside from a minor saving of memory). If you want your apps to match your E theme, you still have to configure the GTK+ Themes via the Theme Selector. The icons are part of the GNOME Midnight Commander File manager, and are separate from E. The kewl screenshots come about because the user goes through the trouble of backing-up and replacing the default GNOME icons with new ones. To choose a background, download one and put it in ~/.enlightenment/backgrounds, then restart E. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From gphat@cafes.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 4903 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 03:32:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 03:32:24 -0000 Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA30353 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:32:24 -0400 Received: from Shaheed (shaheed.deepfreeze.org [207.65.240.3]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA12166; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:32:20 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990807223307.007bdc00@cafes.net> X-Sender: gphat@cafes.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:33:07 -0500 To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus), gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cory Watson Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearly hundred" report In-Reply-To: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I'd be very hapy to help. An example icon would be nice, as I dont have a Linux box here at my home. Could someone be so kinda as to email me one of the icons used in Gnome? Ill be happy to create as many icons as I can. At 01:45 AM 8/8/99 +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: >Rationale: > >Gnome needs more icons. No one seems to be painting new ones. Even the >already-existing pixmaps are not used where they could be. This needs >volunteers to be solved. >Maybe this attracts some. >Maybe not. >But trust me on the sunscreen. > > > >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Gnome Icon Status Report >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >as of August 8th, 1999 >by mawa > > > >By no means complete, as this report was done solely on my system. >Entries which are part of gnome-core, gnome-applets, gnome-utils or >another core package should be regarded as having a higher priority. > >Developers are urged to browse down; in the panel context menu, eight >icon positions are empty which could be filled up without creating any >new artwork. The desktop files or menu pixmaps are simply not set. > > > >MISSING ICONS IN THE FOOT MENU: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Submenu icons: >- Applications >- Games >- Graphics >- System >- Utilities >- Administration > >Games: >- Gnotravex >- Gnibbles >- gTuring >(10) - gataxx > >Graphics: >- ggv > >Internet: >- Synchronize >- Gnome Mailman >- X-Chat > >Multimedia: >- ESD Volume Meter > >System: >- GnoRPM is using "foot question mark" icon >- Shut Down or Reboot > >Settings Submenus: >- Desktop >(-) Multimedia >- Peripherals > >Settings: >(20) - User Interface Options >- Gnome Edit Properties >- Mime Types >(-) Shut Down or Reboot > >User Interface Options: >- Application Defaults >- MDI > >Utilities: >- Gnome Search Tool >- Gnome DiskFree >- Stripchart Plotter using "foot question mark" icon >- System Info (guname) >(30) - User Listing (gw) >- Text File Viewer (gless) >- Gnome Penguin >- Font Selector >- guiTAR >- System monitor using "foot question mark" icon >- GDict > >Administration: >- GULP > > > >MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Main panel context menu: >(-) System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) >(-) User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) >- Add applet >(40) (-) Add main menu (could use foot icon) >(-) Add drawer (could use drawer pixmap) >(-) Add logout button (could use logout button pixmap) >(-) Add lock button (could use lock button pixmap) >- Add swallowed app >- Add new launcher >- Convert to corner panel >- Create new panel >(-) Remove this panel (could use stock pixmap) > >"Add Applet" submenus: >(50) - Amusements >- Clocks >- Monitors >- Utility > >Amusements submenu: >- Fish >- Fifteen >- Game of Life >- SlashApp >- gEyes > >Clocks: >- Clock >(60) - AfterStep Clock >- Clock and Mailcheck >- JBC Binary Clock >- Another Clock > >Monitors: >- Battery Charge Monitor >- CPU/MEM Usage >- Disk Usage >- CPULoad >- MemLoad >- SwapLoad >(70) - NetLoad > >Multimedia: >(-) CD Player (could use icon from foot menu) >- Mixer >- Sound Monitor > >Network: >- Mailcheck >- Web Control >(-) Clock and Mailcheck >- Modem Lights >(-) PPP Applet (could use icon from foot menu) > >Utility: >- Printer Applet >(80) - Drive Mount >- Character Picker >- Gnome Pager >- Mini Commander >(-) GDict >- Tick-a-Stat >- Task List >- Desk Guide >- Where am I? >- GNotes! >(90) - Gnome Weather > > > > >CONFLICTS >~~~~~~~~~ >- Balsa and TkRat using same icon > -> need for one additional icon >- GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon > -> need for one additional icon >- Colour XTerm and Regular Xterm using same icon > -> need for additional one >- Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon > -> need for additional one >- Sound properties, Multimedia submenu and Audio Mixer using same icon > -> need for two new icons >(- Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu > using same icon (OK IMHO)) >(- same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in > applet menu) >- "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same > icon > -> need for one more >- "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show > bookmarks window" in the help browser using same icon >(100) -> need for two more > > > >TOTAL >~~~~~ > >Doing a rough count of all the dashes I made and the icons the >"Conflicts" section requires, I come up to exactly 100 icons that are >missing from Gnome's two most important menus. Deducting 13 positions >which can be filled by existing icons or that are duplicate, we can >estimate that 87 icons need to be made. > >That is only the beginning, but I dare not think of what's beyond the >foot menu and panel context menu. > > > > >REMARKS >~~~~~~~ >IMHO, applications or submenus which have not got a proper icon yet >should consider using a different icon with a related theme or the >"foot question mark" icon instead of simply leaving a blank. > >The first thing I'll do now is mail the maintainers of some >applications whether they can provide icons or change their .desktop >files if they've got suitable pixmaps. > >This report needs to be amended with other icon-related problems which >surely exist. Mail me. And of course the mentioned problems need to be >solved. Maybe we can solve them. Mail me if you want to paint an icon. >I can then perhaps estimate how many people would like to do icons for >Gnome and schedule somehow who's doing what. > >It takes hours to paint a good icon. If you want to paint icons for >Gnome, paint them *one* *by* *one* and put at least a day of work into >each one. It's necessary, trust me. > >If you can't paint but have got ideas on the motifs for icons that are >yet to be made, mail me, too. They might go into the next report. > >See you next week. > > > >mawa >-- >Zwei Dinge sind unendlich - Das Universum und die menchliche Dummheit. > -- Albert Einstein > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > Cory Watson Computer Cafe Internet Services From alanr@stateind.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 7260 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 03:36:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 03:36:22 -0000 Received: from relay6.smtp.psi.net (relay6.smtp.psi.net [38.9.30.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA30539 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:36:21 -0400 From: alanr@stateind.com Received: from [38.227.117.5] (helo=notes1.notes.stateind.com) by relay6.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for gnome-list@gnome.org id 11DJky-0001iu-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:36:20 -0400 Received: from opus.stateind.com ([100.125.1.2]) by notes1.notes.stateind.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 862567C7.0013F161; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:37:49 -0500 X-Mailer: Arrow 1.0.5 (X11; Linux 2.2.10; i686) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: areynolds@geocities.com Subject: gnomecc problem Message-Id: Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:36:20 -0400 I have been trying to update my GNOME packages from what shipped with RH6 to the latest and greatest. Everything seems to be working okay expect gnomecc. It will not run. When I try to run it from a terminal window I either hang the terminal session or get "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)" messages. The binary itself seems okay because I can issue a "gnomecc --help" and get help messages and "gnomecc --version" yields "Gnome desktop-manager 1.0.5." Any suggestions? TIA, Alan Reynolds areynolds@geocities.com From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 24163 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 03:47:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 03:47:35 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA31776 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:47:34 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-64.powerisp.com [199.105.137.64]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id UAA15847; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 20:46:26 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37ACFD30.402FA92F@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 22:44:48 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: areynolds@geocities.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnomecc problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit alanr@stateind.com wrote: > > I have been trying to update my GNOME packages from what shipped with RH6 to the latest and greatest. Everything seems to be working okay expect gnomecc. It will not run. When I try to run it from a terminal window I either hang the terminal session or get "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)" messages. The binary itself seems okay because I can issue a "gnomecc --help" and get help messages and "gnomecc --version" yields "Gnome desktop-manager 1.0.5." Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Alan Reynolds > areynolds@geocities.com Run gdb /usr/bin/gnomecc Then, from inside gdb, run r --sync Then, when it crashes, type bt then send a new e-mail message to , with a subject describing this, and the first two lines of the message being: Package: control-center Version: 1.0.5 (RH6) Then follow these two lines up with a description of your system, and the output of the commands you typed above. This will submit a bug report to the package maintainer for gnomecc. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 2762 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 05:33:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 05:33:12 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA06104 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:33:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA23155; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:41:33 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:41:33 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Paul cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Help PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <37ACDA20.AD7D0C61@bom.gov.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Your problem is mainly with gmc (the file manager that controls the desktop icons). I don't know if GMC currently supports making an icon into a drag destination. This is probably possible with a toy-lette (great name, by the way), but I don't know how easy it would be to configure this. A number of the applications allow you to drag files to the actual application window to load a file. You could try this as well. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Paul wrote: > > > To quote Michael Cain (even though I don't like his movies much > actually) > "Somebody, Somewhere MUST know Something!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" > > so could someone please help! > > > > Ok see, I've installed this lovely GNOME over the last few weeks. > But one of the main reasons I did so was to get this drag and drop > front end. Now, if I drop a text file onto a gnome editor (as a short > cut on the desktop) it doesn't auto launch with the text file in it. I > thought this was what drag and drop was all about. (the Mac and > windoze can do it). > > Now with this great and sophisticated and configurable gnome front > end it wouldn't surprise me if I'm just doing something wrong in my > properties setup for example. > > > For a start "should" this work? > If so how to configure? > Is there any good doco or info anyone can point me to to find out? > Should I be posting this question somewhere else in gnome cyberspace? > > > If this is a really silly question to seasoned gnomers please forgive > me but I've only been learning the stuff for a handfull of days. > > Any answers long short or tiny warmly welcomed!:) > > > > TIA, > Paul. > > > > > > > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 4219 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 05:36:13 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA06215 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:36:09 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA23179; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:44:31 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:44:31 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Kevin der Kinderen cc: Gnome Questions Subject: Re: Enlightenment appearance on FreeBSD vs. RedHat In-Reply-To: <37ACF50A.59F3EBD3@winstar.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Somewhere in the enlightenment configuration program (or, if you are using the version from CVS, the desktop background settings item on the right click menu (which conflicts with GMC's right click handling)), there is an option to override the theme's background. You will probably want to uncheck this and make sure that the background capplet is not setting your background. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > This may be a strange follow-on question - but can Enlightenment stand > alone? Without gnome? I think I'm having conflicts between gnome themes and > enlightenment themes and am curious how themes work in a gnome-less > enlightenment. (RH6). > > BTW: issue with themes is that enlightenment themes don't seem to do anything > at all except change window borders. Backgrounds, icons and all stay the same > - never like the etheme screenshots. > > Kevin > > > James Henstridge wrote: > > > Enlightenment is a very configurable window manager, as you have just > > found. A lot of what you see on the RH6 desktop is actually GNOME, so if > > you don't have gnome on the freebsd box, you won't have access to those > > features. > > > > As for the look of enlightenment, middle click on the desktop and select > > the desired theme from the themes menu (what you see on the RH6 desktop is > > probably the clean theme). Try out the other themes, and see what you > > like (remember that the more flashy themes also use more memory). > > > > To get the extra functionality, you may have to start a few extra GNOME > > programs. As a start, try putting the following in your X startup file: > > exec gnome-session > > > > With this single line, it will give you session management, start the > > window manager, panel and GMC. (of course you need gnome-core, gmc, etc > > installed for this to work correctly). > > > > James. > > > > -- > > Email: james@daa.com.au > > WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ > > > > On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Roy Bettle wrote: > > > > > Good evening all. Quick question (I think): > > > > > > FreeBSD 3.2 Machine: > > > > > > Intel 166 non-MMX > > > 32MB RAM > > > 2, 1GB IDE > > > 512MB swap > > > 1MB S3 video > > > 14" SVGA monitor > > > > > > RedHat 6.0 Machine: > > > > > > Intel 233 MMX > > > 32MB RAM > > > 128MB swap > > > 7, 1GB SCSI > > > 1MB Daytona64 > > > 15" SVGA monitor > > > > > > Please advise if more details are needed. > > > > > > On the RedHat box, the Enlightenment desktop looks a great deal like a > > > Win9x (sorry for the comparison) desktop complete with an "Explorer" > > > (Midnight Commander, right?), Control Panels, etc. > > > > > > On the FreeBSD box, it looks, well, wierd. Virtually nothing on the > > > desktop plus a bunch of icons that are shaped like something out of a > > > Star Trek TNG movie. > > > > > > Further, I can't get any serious functionality out of the FreeBSD box > > > (change networking, etc.), but on the RedHat box I have what appears to > > > be total control via Enlightenment. > > > > > > Have I done something wrong? > > > > > > Thanks for your help. > > > > > > RAB > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- > Kevin > AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 > > > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 8772 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 05:42:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 05:42:10 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA06748 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:42:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id NAA23197; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:50:14 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:50:14 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: "James M. Cape" cc: areynolds@geocities.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnomecc problem In-Reply-To: <37ACFD30.402FA92F@jcinteractive.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I should note that backtraces on stripped binaries are not particularly useful compared to backtraces from binaries with debugging information included. With stripped binaries, you just get meaningless memory offsets, while with debugging information, you get function names and parameter values. To give the appropriate developer the maximum information, it would be best if you could compile gnomecc with debugging information and make it crash. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, James M. Cape wrote: > alanr@stateind.com wrote: > > > > I have been trying to update my GNOME packages from what shipped with RH6 to the latest and greatest. Everything seems to be working okay expect gnomecc. It will not run. When I try to run it from a terminal window I either hang the terminal session or get "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)" messages. The binary itself seems okay because I can issue a "gnomecc --help" and get help messages and "gnomecc --version" yields "Gnome desktop-manager 1.0.5." Any suggestions? > > > > TIA, > > Alan Reynolds > > areynolds@geocities.com > > Run > > gdb /usr/bin/gnomecc > > Then, from inside gdb, run > > r --sync > > Then, when it crashes, type > > bt > > then send a new e-mail message to , with a > subject describing this, and the first two lines of the message being: > > Package: control-center > Version: 1.0.5 (RH6) > > Then follow these two lines up with a description of your system, and > the output of the commands you typed above. > > This will submit a bug report to the package maintainer for gnomecc. > > Jim Cape > http://www.jcinteractive.com > > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them > pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." > -- Winston Churchill > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 17354 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 06:03:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 06:03:44 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA07798 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:03:43 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-64.powerisp.com [199.105.137.64]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id XAA21470; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 23:02:11 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AD1D01.F40E1DB8@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:00:33 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge CC: areynolds@geocities.com, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnomecc problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Henstridge wrote: > > I should note that backtraces on stripped binaries are not particularly > useful compared to backtraces from binaries with debugging information > included. With stripped binaries, you just get meaningless memory > offsets, while with debugging information, you get function names and > parameter values. > > To give the appropriate developer the maximum information, it would be > best if you could compile gnomecc with debugging information and make it > crash. > > James. Is RedHat shipping stripped binaries? If so, I would recommend to them that they do not. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From cwollam@watson.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 18231 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 07:15:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 07:15:27 -0000 Received: from wugate.wustl.edu (wugate.wustl.edu [128.252.120.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA12374 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:15:26 -0400 Received: from alu.wustl.edu (alu.wustl.edu [128.252.221.182]) by wugate.wustl.edu (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id CAA18216 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:15:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: from watson.wustl.edu (watson [128.252.221.108]) by alu.wustl.edu (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with SMTP id WAA18742 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:21:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost by watson.wustl.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id WAA29610; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:24:05 -0500 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:24:05 -0500 (CDT) From: Cliff Wollam To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: another prob w/ building gnome-libs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I have been trying to build gnome-libs-1.0.10 forever now and here is my most recent problem. I am running the ./configure script and things are going nicely except that it can't find file's for ESD and AUDIOFILE, then I get many many lines like the following: creating ./config.status creating gnome-bug sed: file conftest.s2 line 50: Unterminated `s' command creating gnome-config sed: file conftest.s2 line 50: Unterminated `s' command creating gnome-libs.spec sed: file conftest.s2 line 50: Unterminated `s' command creating Makefile sed: file conftest.s2 line 50: Unterminated `s' command but the script continues and runs to completion. make then doesn't find any targets, I'm assuming because every Makefile has 0 size. I could really use some help on this one as I don't have the first clue what I would put in my own sed file to pass to configure, nor would I know how to go about editing a file that gets created by the configure script. Thank you, Cliff From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 7193 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 07:52:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 07:52:47 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA15765 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:52:47 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k36-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.36]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01906 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:52:48 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37AD373D.D10F2F76@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 01:52:29 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <37AB394F.73B871@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "James M. Cape" wrote: > > "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > > > > no matter how close and dear Linux is to those using it - you gotta make > > it simple if you want to entise new users. and there is absolutely > > nothing wrong with that philosophy. > > Only Root Should Set Up PPP. > > Breaking multi-user Unix to satisfy some debatable single-user > "ease-of-use" grail is *not* an option. As this thread veers further and further off-topic, I'd like to give it one last push into the hinterland: How will Microsoft deal with these issues in the "consumer" version of Windows 2003 (to guess at the product's name)? I don't mean to imply that we should copy Them slavishly, but rather to point out that They are likely to either adopt similar policies to Unix, or they will introduce a broken, single-user version of NT. I suspect that they won't break NT, but will simply fake it by making the first user a member of the Administrators group, and perhaps even doing away with the default login dialog. Let's examine that option briefly: the equivalent under Linux would be to have single-user machines set up with the UID of the only user be 0. (We don't want to force the user name "root" on them, after all.) We could even hack login(1) to detect this situation by looking at a file accessible only by root, containing options like "skip the login prompt". (Aside: System V R4 login programs have this, in /etc/default/login, where they have other interesting options, so there's partial precedent for it.) Is that really terribly desirable? It occurs to me that the root problem (ahem) is that Linux is a multiuser system. Thus, it doesn't conform to Joe Sixpack's idea of how a single-user box should work. Is the mission, then, to fix the computer or to fix Joe's notions? Normally I'm all for making the computer conform to its humans' desires, but in this case we're up against a truly fundamental design decision. Let's not redesign the fundamentals just to fix a UI issue. If you want a Windows box, you know where to get one. -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 14757 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:02:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:02:34 -0000 Received: from zaphod.winstar.com (1Cust238.tnt1.bel-air.md.da.uu.net [153.35.78.238]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA17050 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:02:31 -0400 Received: from winstar.com (IDENT:kevin@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zaphod.winstar.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA11949; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:03:32 -0400 Sender: kevin@zaphod.winstar.com Message-ID: <37AD39D4.AE234A00@winstar.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:03:32 -0400 From: Kevin der Kinderen Reply-To: kevin@winstar.com Organization: Home X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.7-1.23smp i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "James M. Cape" , Gnome Questions Subject: Re: Enlightenment appearance on FreeBSD vs. RedHat References: <37ACF50A.59F3EBD3@winstar.com> <37ACF8FC.7D487B94@jcinteractive.com> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------2361B6264B49F3EA3FD4CFA1" --------------2361B6264B49F3EA3FD4CFA1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim: I guess I understand. In E - the only think that a theme changes is the window borders and their behavior. If I want different background images and icon sets I have to set those individually. I think I was expecting themes to operate similar to they way they do in WindowMaker. I've read that E is the most themeable window manager, just takes some work to set it up. Thanks, Kevin "James M. Cape" wrote: > Kevin der Kinderen wrote: > > > > This may be a strange follow-on question - but can Enlightenment stand > > alone? Without gnome? I think I'm having conflicts between gnome > > themes and enlightenment themes and am curious how themes work in a > > gnome-less enlightenment. (RH6). > > > > BTW: issue with themes is that enlightenment themes don't seem to do > > anything at all except change window borders. Backgrounds, icons and > > all stay the same - never like the etheme screenshots. > > > > Kevin > > Yes, it is possible to run Enlightenment without GNOME, although there > is no benefit to doing so (aside from a minor saving of memory). If you > want your apps to match your E theme, you still have to configure the > GTK+ Themes via the Theme Selector. > > The icons are part of the GNOME Midnight Commander File manager, and are > separate from E. The kewl screenshots come about because the user goes > through the trouble of backing-up and replacing the default GNOME icons > with new ones. > > To choose a background, download one and put it in > ~/.enlightenment/backgrounds, then restart E. > > Jim Cape > http://www.jcinteractive.com > > "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them > pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." > -- Winston Churchill > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Kevin AIM: kkinderen icq 9219322 --------------2361B6264B49F3EA3FD4CFA1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jim:

I guess I understand. In E - the only think that a theme changes is the window borders and their behavior. If I want different background images and icon sets I have to set those individually. I think I was expecting themes to operate similar to they way they do in WindowMaker. I've read that E is the most themeable window manager, just takes some work to set it up.

Thanks,
Kevin
 

"James M. Cape" wrote:

Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
>
> This may be a strange follow-on question - but can Enlightenment stand
> alone? Without gnome? I think I'm having conflicts between gnome
> themes and enlightenment themes and am curious how themes work in a
> gnome-less enlightenment. (RH6).
>
> BTW: issue with themes is that enlightenment themes don't seem to do
> anything at all except change window borders. Backgrounds, icons and
> all stay the same - never like the etheme screenshots.
>
> Kevin

Yes, it is possible to run Enlightenment without GNOME, although there
is no benefit to doing so (aside from a minor saving of memory). If you
want your apps to match your E theme, you still have to configure the
GTK+ Themes via the Theme Selector.

The icons are part of the GNOME Midnight Commander File manager, and are
separate from E. The kewl screenshots come about because the user goes
through the trouble of backing-up and replacing the default GNOME icons
with new ones.

To choose a background, download one and put it in
~/.enlightenment/backgrounds, then restart E.

    Jim Cape
    http://www.jcinteractive.com

    "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them
     pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened."
        -- Winston Churchill

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Kevin
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  --------------2361B6264B49F3EA3FD4CFA1-- From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 22286 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:16:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:16:21 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA18136 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:16:20 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k36-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.36]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02462 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:16:21 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37AD3CC3.79A676DE@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:16:03 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: <199908062037.QAA18660@home.ifx.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sungod wrote: > At some point, you have to declare old broken (by > today's standards) technologies dead, and move on. This one thing we > _must_ copy from Apple: they know when it's time to move on to something > newer. Evidence: I have an Apple Macintosh 512K model with an external floppy drive. (It was almost a must, given that it didn't have a hard drive.) It has an eject button, even though the internal floppy drive didn't. I've never seen another, so I'm guessing it was a short-lived idea.... I was thinking about this sort of thing today, and I realized something while contemplating Windows GPFs, or whatever they're calling them these days. On a Linux/Unix box, a program just silently goes away when it crashes, unless you happen to be running it from the shell. On a Windows box, the system emits a system-modal dialog box that you must deal with before you can do anything else with the UI. The dialog box usually isn't terribly helpful to either the hapless user or to the programmer trying to figure out WTF happened to his errant program _this_ time. (Can you tell I'm a programmer?) It serves simply to inform the user that it's time to sigh, or grimmace, or curse, and then restart the program. Linux/Unix's crashing behavior isn't immediately helpful, either. In fact, sometimes it's less helpful, because the program simply goes away, not even giving a cryptic attempt at telling you why. Yet, it's enough to let you know that it's time to sigh, or grimmace, or curse, and then restart the program. Yet, you're still ahead with Linux/Unix: you now have a permanent, detailed record of what happened (the core file) that you can ship to the developer for his edification. (You don't know how helpful this is until you try to debug a program running in Michigan from your office in New Mexico.) Does that not wrap up the philosophies of the two systems perfectly? In case you're wondering, yes, this does have relevance to GNOME, and specifically to this debate: engineering is tradeoffs, and it happens that Unix was engineered really well for what it tried to be: an efficient, portable, and relatively simple multi-user operating system. It's all well and fine to suggest enhancements that make the system more suitable for one class of users or another, but let's not try to break fundamental design decisions in the process. The community won't accept them. IMHO, we refuse with good reason. -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 28267 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:26:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:26:31 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA18927 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:26:30 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k36-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.36]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA02647 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:26:32 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37AD3F26.DF2517E9@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:26:14 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Usability suggestions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have two suggestions for the GNOME environment I'd like to see added. Neither would be terribly difficult, and neither strays radically from fundamental design decisions like many of those in that _other_ thread. 1. This has already been suggested at least once before, but I want to second it: a way to align icons on the desktop to some grid whose box sizes you can set. Windows 95 and later have this in their "Line up icons" item on the right-click menu. A tidy desktop leaves a much better impression than one whose icons are slightly out of kilter with respect to each other. I lack the patience to line them up by hand. 2. Add a "working directory" option to the program launchers. I've wanted this several times. Normally, it can indeed be ignored, but other times, it's a real pain when, say, the paint program always pops up in your home directory instead of the directory you've got all your pictures stored in. Or when you've got a script that works from the current directory, and you want an icon running it from a given subdirectory. -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From bruno@fred.scooby.de Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 7247 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:50:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:50:52 -0000 Received: from hugo.fen.baynet.de (root@hugo.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA20252 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:50:48 -0400 Received: from fred.scooby.de (bruno@dialin-er-45.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.109]) by hugo.fen.baynet.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA21961; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:50:07 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 10:52:12 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de Sender: bruno@fred.scooby.de From: Thomas Hedler To: Michael Stearne , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! On 06-Aug-99 Michael Stearne wrote: > > > Thomas Hedler wrote: >> >> On 06-Aug-99 Ben Frantzdale wrote: >> > One other anoying thing is that you can't eject the CD with the >> > button on >> > the CDROM. and you can't eject the floppy with the physical >> > eject >> > button >> > withought unmounting it first else the computer complians :-) >> > --Ben >> >> Where is the problem? If Windows accesses the CDROM and you open >> the >> eject button, you would get a blue screen. If you press or >> it sometimes crashes completely. Do you really want this? >> ;-) >> >> Only because windows has this behaviour it needn't to be a good >> behaviour!!! >> >> The users have to learn some things. If they don't want to learn >> something they should use windows or better buy a Mac. > > How will Linux ever be a desktop platform with this thinking? > > Users shouldn't HAVE to learn things, they should have the option > of > learning things if they want to. You can avoid the the blue > screen, by > locking the eject button on a CD drive like Macs do. Mounting and > unmounting of media is done right on the Mac, why can't this method > just > be used in Linux? Have a "Trash" Can on the Desktop and drag the > CD > there to unmount it. There is no reason to re-invent the wheel if > there > is a suitable solution out there. Just because a method is used by > another OS besides Linux doesn't mean it is wrong. The way Windows does it IS wrong as you can see. Nothing else. Before you can drive a car you have to learn the traffic rules. Before I open the CDROM I have to learn to umount them (if you want with the best icon the world can give to a user...). Nothing more. Thomas --- EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 14463 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 08:58:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 08:58:48 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA20815 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:58:47 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k36-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.36]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id CAA03192 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:58:49 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37AD46B7.3C9DF058@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 02:58:31 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > > and these are saved in .png format? That'll work fine. Use the transparency feature of the format for the background, please. You can alternatively use .xpm, but that's a wasteful relic that should only be used for icons embedded in programs. -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From petey@mb06.swip.net Fri May 12 00:03:25 2000 Received: (qmail 1260 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 09:29:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 09:29:44 -0000 Received: from mb06.swip.net (mb06.swip.net [193.12.122.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA23191 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 05:29:43 -0400 Received: from swipnet.se (d212-151-113-17.swipnet.se [212.151.113.17]) by mb06.swip.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA01749 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:29:40 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: petey@mb06.swip.net Message-ID: <37AD4CC3.3F7F894D@swipnet.se> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:24:19 +0200 From: peter winnberg X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.3.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Icon page Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I could put up a page with the latest info on what icons thats needed, examples And application authors could send me request for icons, I put it up and when someone have a icon I could post it there. We could also have guidelines for icons Should I do that? From david@ritter.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 7132 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 09:41:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 09:41:58 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA23823 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 05:41:57 -0400 Received: from ritter.demon.co.uk ([158.152.5.227]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DPSl-000Pjw-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:41:56 +0000 Received: from ritter.demon.co.uk (david@ritter [158.152.5.227]) by ritter.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA15704 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:20:58 +0100 Sender: david@ritter.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37ACF799.72AFFB4B@ritter.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:20:57 +0100 From: David Knight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) References: <199908080128.CAA15155@mail.idec.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" wrote: > >>From a UI standpoint, which makes more sense: right clicking on something > >you want to change the properties of, or going into control center (a > >completely different app) to change it? > > Right click, I guess. At least is faster. I do not know why such things > (widgets in general) has no right click menu hen they should. Well as my program has already been mentioned twice in recent discussions I'll make it three times :-) In Screem a right click is used to configure the external browser buttons on the toolbar (although a left click also configures them if they have not already been setup) David -- The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell. -- Confucius From mg@plum.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 15150 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 09:51:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 09:51:36 -0000 Received: from www.plum.de ([194.77.2.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA25110 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 05:51:35 -0400 Received: from plum.de (prangh.dorf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.59.207]) by www.plum.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id LAA23701; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:51:29 +0200 Message-ID: <37AD537C.C61CBD9E@plum.de> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:53:00 +0200 From: Michael Glauche X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: Matthias Warkus , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearlyhundred" report References: <3.0.6.32.19990807223307.007bdc00@cafes.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cory Watson schrieb: > I'd be very hapy to help. An example icon would be nice, as I dont have a > Linux box here at my home. Could someone be so kinda as to email me one of > the icons used in Gnome? Ill be happy to create as many icons as I can. > > At 01:45 AM 8/8/99 +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > >Rationale: > > > >Gnome needs more icons. No one seems to be painting new ones. Even the > >already-existing pixmaps are not used where they could be. This needs > >volunteers to be solved. > >Maybe this attracts some. > >Maybe not. > >But trust me on the sunscreen. > > > >TOTAL > >~~~~~ > > > >Doing a rough count of all the dashes I made and the icons the > >"Conflicts" section requires, I come up to exactly 100 icons that are > >missing from Gnome's two most important menus. Deducting 13 positions > >which can be filled by existing icons or that are duplicate, we can > >estimate that 87 icons need to be made. > > > >That is only the beginning, but I dare not think of what's beyond the > >foot menu and panel context menu. > > > > > > > > > >REMARKS > >~~~~~~~ > >IMHO, applications or submenus which have not got a proper icon yet > >should consider using a different icon with a related theme or the > >"foot question mark" icon instead of simply leaving a blank. > > > >The first thing I'll do now is mail the maintainers of some > >applications whether they can provide icons or change their .desktop > >files if they've got suitable pixmaps. > > > >This report needs to be amended with other icon-related problems which > >surely exist. Mail me. And of course the mentioned problems need to be > >solved. Maybe we can solve them. Mail me if you want to paint an icon. > >I can then perhaps estimate how many people would like to do icons for > >Gnome and schedule somehow who's doing what. > > > >It takes hours to paint a good icon. If you want to paint icons for > >Gnome, paint them *one* *by* *one* and put at least a day of work into > >each one. It's necessary, trust me. > > > >If you can't paint but have got ideas on the motifs for icons that are > >yet to be made, mail me, too. They might go into the next report. > > How about a little web based icon database ? with previews of existing icons ? So that registered developers can update the icons, and others can see them at once. I code php3 quite a lot, so that won't be a problem. regards, Michael From dmiller@ilogic.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 5788 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 10:15:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 10:15:32 -0000 Received: from toad.ilogic.com.au (postfix@intern12.lnk.telstra.net [139.130.53.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA27418 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:15:30 -0400 Received: from mothra.ilogic.com.au (mothra.ilogic.com.au [203.36.198.97]) by toad.ilogic.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 019BF25277; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:15:24 +1000 (EST) Received: by mothra.ilogic.com.au (Postfix, from userid 500) id A072C1F802; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:15:17 +1000 (EST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mothra.ilogic.com.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AC71E802; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:15:17 +1000 (EST) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:15:17 +1000 (EST) From: Damien Miller To: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Icon suggestion In-Reply-To: <14252.50192.922515.100519@desk.crynwr.com> Message-ID: X-Paranoia: just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't out to get you MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 nelson-gnome@crynwr.com wrote: > Miguel was showing me a vector-based graphics renderer at the ZD Open > Source Expo (sorry, I don't remember the name of it). If we had > vector-based graphics for icons, then a whole theme of icons could be > generated simply by specifying the proper transform for the vectors, > along with a pixmap of an empty icon. SGI have done this for ages with their display PostScript based desktop. It works quite well, but their icons are pretty bland. Regards, Damien -- | "Bombay is 250ms from New York in the new world order" - Alan Cox | Damien Miller - http://www.ilogic.com.au/~dmiller | Email: dmiller@ilogic.com.au (home) -or- damien@ibs.com.au (work) From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 13531 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 10:28:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 10:28:23 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA28384 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:28:22 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k36-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.36]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA29527 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 04:28:23 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37AD5BB5.A19279B7@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 04:28:05 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Icon suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Damien Miller wrote: > > On Sat, 7 Aug 1999 nelson-gnome@crynwr.com wrote: > > > Miguel was showing me a vector-based graphics renderer at the ZD Open > > Source Expo (sorry, I don't remember the name of it). If we had > > vector-based graphics for icons, then a whole theme of icons could be > > generated simply by specifying the proper transform for the vectors, > > along with a pixmap of an empty icon. > > SGI have done this for ages with their display PostScript based > desktop. It works quite well, but their icons are pretty bland. Having created some vector graphics in my time, I can tell you that vector graphics aren't the right tool for the job unless you're willing to put a _lot_ of work into them and are willing to put up with _loooong_ render times as the images are rasterized 2 or 3 times larger than the target canvas and then downsampled for smoothness. Not to mention that the resulting files will probably be a lot larger for all but the simplest images, and you'll probably want to cache the generated .png images anyway. Yes, it's a cool idea, but not very practical. Vector graphics _are_ useful occasionally, though: for my own programs, many of the graphics were first created in Corel Draw! and then rasterized, downsampled to the sizes I needed and optimized. They look much better that way than if I'd tried it in a paint program. (I can't draw a straight line, but Corel Draw! can!) Now if Corel will get around to releasing Draw! for Linux..... -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 23985 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 10:48:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 10:48:03 -0000 Received: from mailout06.btx.dtag.de (mailout06.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29845 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:48:02 -0400 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DQUi-0002NW-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:48:00 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.12]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:47:43 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id DAA29350 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:00:57 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 03:00:56 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: What is that applet!? Message-ID: <19990808030056.A29347@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37ACBAF4.6C27CBCD@email.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <37ACBAF4.6C27CBCD@email.com>; from Daniel Serodio on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:02:12PM -0300 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:02:12PM -0300 +++ Daniel Serodio e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > James Green wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Please take a look at: > > > > http://e.themes.org/pic.cgi?src=/users/desk1999-08-07.3.jpg > > > > Down the bottom-left, an applet holding a load of app icons to the right > > of the penguin. I'm told it's Mini-commander, but I don't see how to > > configure it to use these. It's got 8 icons btw :) > > QuickLaunch applet (included in gnome-core), it's under Add Applet | Utility What? I've been looking for it, where is it? Can you tell me where to find it in the CVS directory tree? mawa -- Well, I think we'll be able to live with multiple GUI libraries. All of us. Consistency is for insects :). Buttons and widgets looking different in every other app are jogging for my brain and prevent it from rotting. -- mawa From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 24047 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 10:48:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 10:48:04 -0000 Received: from mailout10.btx.dtag.de (mailout10.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.158]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA29846 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 06:48:03 -0400 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DQUj-00053D-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:48:01 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.12]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:47:45 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA29304 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:53:28 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 02:53:27 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990808025327.A29298@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <000701bee136$13060dc0$a4c2a4c2@webtribe.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <000701bee136$13060dc0$a4c2a4c2@webtribe.net>; from Iain on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 01:35:59AM +0100 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 01:35:59AM +0100 +++ Iain e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > > >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old > > > >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the > > > >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this > > > >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than > > > >thousand icons. Thousand. > > I take it that you're using icons as a metaphor for how developed Gnome is > compared to KDE. (If not, I'm sure that if we all stopped working on various > coding for a couple of weeks, we could pump out a few thousand icons and > beat KDE into the ground) The point here is that evidently, they are somehow better organised and disposing of more manpower than we are. There are ~500 people working at the Gnome project (rough guess). KDE has got about double the people. I don't see any reason why the Gnome project shouldn't be able to produce at least half the amount of icons KDE produces. That is, maybe fourty or fifty a month. At that rate, we'd have all the empty positions in the foot menu and panel context menu filled in less than three months. > Don't forget KDE is a year older than Gnome. When > I got Linux installed (about September 98)I got KDE 0.9 with it, and quite > frankly IMHO, it was unusable. I basically gave up on X windows, until > someone showed me www.gnome.org. At that point Gnome was in V0.30. I think > that Gnome is ahead of where Kde was a year ago, and is catching up. But we > have a year's ground to catch up, and a lot of coding can happen in a year, > so we can't catch up overnight. But we should try to catch up. I just learned that Tigert is indeed still painting icons, which makes me incredibly happy -- after all, Tigert's graphics style is one of the reasons why I consider Gnome to be about the prettiest thing you can put on your Linux desktop. But one man is not enough, and even if it just was one man, some communication would be nice. mawa -- Errr.. 'want' and 'Windows NT' are not words that normally go in the same sentence. -- Kira L. Brown From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 7715 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 11:57:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 11:57:11 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA02824 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 07:57:10 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.60]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 13:57:22 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37AD34D6.C67A6F4F@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 09:42:14 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Stearne CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: <199908071632.RAA26197@mail.idec.net> <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> <37AC7FCA.D18ED631@optimus.wroc.pl> <37ACE61F.165ED148@eisolutions.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Stearne wrote: > I see in the screen shot that the windows have the MacOS 8.5 (NeXT) > style scroll bars, up/down arrows at the bottom. Is this a part of a > newer release of GNOME or something else. It's hacked gtk engine. I'm not sure what engine Tigert is using, it looks to me like a tweaked Xenophilia. Look at http://gtk.themes.org/minithemes.cgi?search=Xenophilia for details. Its hackish nature makes it impossible to restore default order when you change back to usual engine, so please use with care. AFAIK gtk 1.4 will make them configurable via gtkrc files. > Also, I see a Trash Can. When did that show up? In the HEAD branch of gmc, I believe. -- BlackWine From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 9292 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 13:17:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 13:17:48 -0000 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de (mailout02.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08203 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:17:45 -0400 Received: from fwd06.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.166]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DSpV-0006CP-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:17:37 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.86]) by fwd06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:17:21 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04287 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:59:18 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:59:17 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990808145917.A4284@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990807204802.D834@ogoense.net> <199908080049.UAA06160@coco.comstar.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <199908080049.UAA06160@coco.comstar.net>; from Gregory McLean on Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:49:49PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:49:49PM -0400 +++ Gregory McLean e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > Lemme say this.. This is the sizes that are currently in use. > > Desktop icons: 48x48 > Menu Icons: 24x24 > > So that would be my guess for sizes needed right off. I think they are > scaled > to other sizes.. Icons are generally scaled down to 24x24 for the menus, too. Actually, I think all of Gnome's external icons (as opposed to stock pixmaps) are 48x48. mawa -- The few folks actually working toward a goal of gender _equality_ rather than an _inversion_ of the gender power structure have mostly abandoned the term `feminism' to the uncurably strident. -- xanthian@Zorch.SF-Bay.ORG From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 9304 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 13:17:50 -0000 Received: from mailout02.btx.dtag.de (mailout02.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA08206 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 09:17:46 -0400 Received: from fwd06.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.166]) by mailout02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DSpW-0006Ck-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:17:38 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.86]) by fwd06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:17:28 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA04185; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:19:04 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:19:04 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: jirka@5z.com Subject: Panel patch adding missing icons Message-ID: <19990808141904.A3991@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org, jirka@5z.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Finally, I make use of the often-mentioned "We accept patches." option and submit you a patch to gnome-core/panel/menu.c which fills following positions in the panel context menu with icons: - Add main menu (gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png) - Add drawer (panel-drawer.png) - Add log out button (gnome-term-night.png) - Add lock screen button (gnome-lockscreen.png) - Add launcher (launcher-program.png) - Create new panel (GNOME_STOCK_PIXMAP_NEW) - Remove this panel (GNOME_STOCK_PIXMAP_REMOVE) This is CCed to the panel maintainer. I do not dare add it to CVS myself. ==START DIFF== --- menu.c.old Sun Aug 8 13:06:20 1999 +++ menu.c Sun Aug 8 14:12:32 1999 @@ -2430,7 +2430,10 @@ make_panel_submenu(panel_menu,TRUE); menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, NULL, _("Remove this panel")); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + gnome_stock_pixmap_widget(panel_menu, + GNOME_STOCK_PIXMAP_REMOVE), + _("Remove this panel")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (panel_menu), menuitem); gtk_signal_connect_object (GTK_OBJECT (menuitem), "activate", GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(gtk_widget_destroy), @@ -2583,6 +2586,12 @@ { GtkWidget *menuitem; GtkWidget *m; + char *pixmap_filename; + GnomePixmap *gnome_logo_pm; + GnomePixmap *gnome_drawer_pm; + GnomePixmap *gnome_logout_pm; + GnomePixmap *gnome_lock_pm; + GnomePixmap *gnome_launcher_pm; menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Add applet")); @@ -2593,35 +2602,75 @@ GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(submenu_to_display), menuitem); - menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Add main menu")); + /* Menu entries with external pixmaps: + 1. Get file name with gnome_pixmap_file + 2. Warn if lookup failed + 3. Get pixmap from file with gnome_pixmap_new_from_file_at_size + 4. Warn if load failed + 5. Use pixmap. Yahoo. + + Gurus, please tell me if any of these steps are superfluous, thanks. + mawa */ + + pixmap_filename = gnome_pixmap_file("gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png"); + if (NULL == pixmap_filename) + g_warning(_("Could not find pixmap `gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png'")); + gnome_logo_pm = + GNOME_PIXMAP(gnome_pixmap_new_from_file_at_size(pixmap_filename, 24, 24)); + if (NULL == gnome_logo_pm) + g_warning(_("Could not load pixmap %s"), pixmap_filename); + menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + GTK_WIDGET(gnome_logo_pm), + _("Add main menu")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (menu), menuitem); gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(menuitem), "activate", GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(add_menu_to_panel), NULL); setup_internal_applet_drag(menuitem, "MENU:MAIN"); + pixmap_filename = gnome_pixmap_file("panel-drawer.png"); + if (NULL == pixmap_filename) + g_warning(_("Could not find pixmap `panel-drawer.png'")); + gnome_drawer_pm = GNOME_PIXMAP(gnome_pixmap_new_from_file_at_size(pixmap_filename, 24, 24)); + if (NULL == gnome_drawer_pm) + g_warning(_("Could not load pixmap %s"), pixmap_filename); menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Add drawer")); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + GTK_WIDGET(gnome_drawer_pm), + _("Add drawer")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (menu), menuitem); gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(menuitem), "activate", (GtkSignalFunc) add_drawer_to_panel, NULL); setup_internal_applet_drag(menuitem, "DRAWER:NEW"); - - menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Add log out button")); + pixmap_filename = gnome_pixmap_file("gnome-term-night.png"); + if (NULL == pixmap_filename) + g_warning(_("Could not find pixmap `gnome-term-night.png'")); + gnome_logout_pm = GNOME_PIXMAP(gnome_pixmap_new_from_file_at_size(pixmap_filename, 24, 24)); + if (NULL == gnome_logout_pm) + g_warning(_("Could not load pixmap %s"), pixmap_filename); + menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + GTK_WIDGET(gnome_logout_pm), + _("Add log out button")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (menu), menuitem); gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(menuitem), "activate", GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(add_logout_to_panel), NULL); setup_internal_applet_drag(menuitem, "LOGOUT:NEW"); - - + pixmap_filename = gnome_pixmap_file("gnome-lockscreen.png"); + if (NULL == pixmap_filename) + g_warning(_("Could not find pixmap `gnome-lockscreen.png'")); + gnome_lock_pm = GNOME_PIXMAP(gnome_pixmap_new_from_file_at_size(pixmap_filename, 24, 24)); + if (NULL == gnome_lock_pm) + g_warning(_("Could not load pixmap %s"), pixmap_filename); menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Add lock button")); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + GTK_WIDGET(gnome_lock_pm), + _("Add lock button")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (menu), menuitem); gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(menuitem), "activate", GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(add_lock_to_panel), @@ -2636,8 +2685,16 @@ GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(ask_about_swallowing_cb),NULL); setup_internal_applet_drag(menuitem, "SWALLOW:ASK"); - menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Add new launcher")); + pixmap_filename = gnome_pixmap_file("launcher-program.png"); + if (NULL == pixmap_filename) + g_warning(_("Could not find pixmap `launcherprogram.png'")); + gnome_launcher_pm = GNOME_PIXMAP(gnome_pixmap_new_from_file_at_size(pixmap_filename, 24, 24)); + if (NULL == gnome_launcher_pm) + g_warning(_("Could not load pixmap %s"), pixmap_filename); + menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + GTK_WIDGET(gnome_launcher_pm), + _("Add new launcher")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (menu), menuitem); gtk_signal_connect(GTK_OBJECT(menuitem), "activate", GTK_SIGNAL_FUNC(ask_about_launcher_cb),NULL); @@ -2684,7 +2741,10 @@ add_menu_separator(menu); menuitem = gtk_menu_item_new (); - setup_menuitem (menuitem, 0, _("Create new panel")); + setup_menuitem (menuitem, + gnome_stock_pixmap_widget(menu, + GNOME_STOCK_PIXMAP_NEW), + _("Create new panel")); gtk_menu_append (GTK_MENU (menu), menuitem); gtk_menu_item_set_submenu (GTK_MENU_ITEM (menuitem), create_add_panel_submenu()); ==END DIFF== It'd be nice if someone could add me to the appropriate credits file if this patch should be accepted. mawa -- Q: What do you call a boomerang that doesn't work? A: A stick. From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 28869 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 14:03:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 14:03:42 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA11147 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:03:41 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.168] (helo=lou-ts7-62.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11DTY3-0006Pj-00; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 10:03:39 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: What is that applet!? In-Reply-To: <19990808030056.A29347@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: that applet came in the latest rpms from gurulabs...not sure what rpm it was with gnome-core? anyone? > What? I've been looking for it, where is it? Can you tell me where to > find it in the CVS directory tree? ----- Well if it isn't the leader of the weiner patrol, boning up on his nerd lessons! -- Homer Simpson Boy-Scoutz N The Hood From nils@wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 30408 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 14:46:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 14:46:24 -0000 Received: from rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de (root@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de [134.108.34.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13840 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:46:23 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id QAA26559; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:41:15 +0200 Received: from localhost (nils@localhost) by wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05184; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:00:05 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:00:05 +0200 (CEST) From: Nils Philippsen To: Bryan Pfaffenberger cc: "Gnome-List@Gnome. Org" , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Undelete VFS in GMC? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Bryan Pfaffenberger wrote: > > Does gmc implement the mc undelete fs? tried /#undel:hda5 ; got a message > from the undelfs, but it's an error dialog: "Could not open file:/dev/hda5." I'm pretty sure this only works as root. Bye, Nils -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nils Philippsen @college: nils@fht-esslingen.de Vogelsangstrasse 115 @home: nils@wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de D 70197 Stuttgart phone: +49-711-6599405 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 1815 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 14:48:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 14:48:57 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup533.nni.com [216.107.9.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14062 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:48:55 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00321; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:46:28 GMT Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:46:27 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: "Guillermo S . Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero" Cc: mawarkus@t-online.de, gnome-list@gnome.org, jcape@jcinteractive.com Subject: Re: Icons (was: Where's all the movement?) Message-ID: <19990808104627.D243@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 >Not trying to insult tigert, but I feel the >rest of artists feel "scared", at least a bit. I would love to contribute, infact you are right.. I thought Tigert was handling them and the project didn't want another artist. -- Eric Windisch From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 6582 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 14:56:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 14:56:25 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA14437 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:56:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id KAA25433; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:56:22 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:56:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearly hundred" report In-Reply-To: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII For anyone who's interested, I've put the tarball of icons I mentioned earlier (to fill up the foot menu) at http://www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/icons.tar.gz Not all of them are great, but most are better than nothing :-) --Ben PS I'm interested in helping to paint more icons. On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > Rationale: > > Gnome needs more icons. No one seems to be painting new ones. Even the > already-existing pixmaps are not used where they could be. This needs > volunteers to be solved. > Maybe this attracts some. > Maybe not. > But trust me on the sunscreen. > > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Gnome Icon Status Report > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > as of August 8th, 1999 > by mawa > > > > By no means complete, as this report was done solely on my system. > Entries which are part of gnome-core, gnome-applets, gnome-utils or > another core package should be regarded as having a higher priority. > > Developers are urged to browse down; in the panel context menu, eight > icon positions are empty which could be filled up without creating any > new artwork. The desktop files or menu pixmaps are simply not set. > > > > MISSING ICONS IN THE FOOT MENU: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Submenu icons: > - Applications > - Games > - Graphics > - System > - Utilities > - Administration > > Games: > - Gnotravex > - Gnibbles > - gTuring > (10) - gataxx > > Graphics: > - ggv > > Internet: > - Synchronize > - Gnome Mailman > - X-Chat > > Multimedia: > - ESD Volume Meter > > System: > - GnoRPM is using "foot question mark" icon > - Shut Down or Reboot > > Settings Submenus: > - Desktop > (-) Multimedia > - Peripherals > > Settings: > (20) - User Interface Options > - Gnome Edit Properties > - Mime Types > (-) Shut Down or Reboot > > User Interface Options: > - Application Defaults > - MDI > > Utilities: > - Gnome Search Tool > - Gnome DiskFree > - Stripchart Plotter using "foot question mark" icon > - System Info (guname) > (30) - User Listing (gw) > - Text File Viewer (gless) > - Gnome Penguin > - Font Selector > - guiTAR > - System monitor using "foot question mark" icon > - GDict > > Administration: > - GULP > > > > MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Main panel context menu: > (-) System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) > (-) User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) > - Add applet > (40) (-) Add main menu (could use foot icon) > (-) Add drawer (could use drawer pixmap) > (-) Add logout button (could use logout button pixmap) > (-) Add lock button (could use lock button pixmap) > - Add swallowed app > - Add new launcher > - Convert to corner panel > - Create new panel > (-) Remove this panel (could use stock pixmap) > > "Add Applet" submenus: > (50) - Amusements > - Clocks > - Monitors > - Utility > > Amusements submenu: > - Fish > - Fifteen > - Game of Life > - SlashApp > - gEyes > > Clocks: > - Clock > (60) - AfterStep Clock > - Clock and Mailcheck > - JBC Binary Clock > - Another Clock > > Monitors: > - Battery Charge Monitor > - CPU/MEM Usage > - Disk Usage > - CPULoad > - MemLoad > - SwapLoad > (70) - NetLoad > > Multimedia: > (-) CD Player (could use icon from foot menu) > - Mixer > - Sound Monitor > > Network: > - Mailcheck > - Web Control > (-) Clock and Mailcheck > - Modem Lights > (-) PPP Applet (could use icon from foot menu) > > Utility: > - Printer Applet > (80) - Drive Mount > - Character Picker > - Gnome Pager > - Mini Commander > (-) GDict > - Tick-a-Stat > - Task List > - Desk Guide > - Where am I? > - GNotes! > (90) - Gnome Weather > > > > > CONFLICTS > ~~~~~~~~~ > - Balsa and TkRat using same icon > -> need for one additional icon > - GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon > -> need for one additional icon > - Colour XTerm and Regular Xterm using same icon > -> need for additional one > - Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon > -> need for additional one > - Sound properties, Multimedia submenu and Audio Mixer using same icon > -> need for two new icons > (- Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu > using same icon (OK IMHO)) > (- same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in > applet menu) > - "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same > icon > -> need for one more > - "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show > bookmarks window" in the help browser using same icon > (100) -> need for two more > > > > TOTAL > ~~~~~ > > Doing a rough count of all the dashes I made and the icons the > "Conflicts" section requires, I come up to exactly 100 icons that are > missing from Gnome's two most important menus. Deducting 13 positions > which can be filled by existing icons or that are duplicate, we can > estimate that 87 icons need to be made. > > That is only the beginning, but I dare not think of what's beyond the > foot menu and panel context menu. > > > > > REMARKS > ~~~~~~~ > IMHO, applications or submenus which have not got a proper icon yet > should consider using a different icon with a related theme or the > "foot question mark" icon instead of simply leaving a blank. > > The first thing I'll do now is mail the maintainers of some > applications whether they can provide icons or change their .desktop > files if they've got suitable pixmaps. > > This report needs to be amended with other icon-related problems which > surely exist. Mail me. And of course the mentioned problems need to be > solved. Maybe we can solve them. Mail me if you want to paint an icon. > I can then perhaps estimate how many people would like to do icons for > Gnome and schedule somehow who's doing what. > > It takes hours to paint a good icon. If you want to paint icons for > Gnome, paint them *one* *by* *one* and put at least a day of work into > each one. It's necessary, trust me. > > If you can't paint but have got ideas on the motifs for icons that are > yet to be made, mail me, too. They might go into the next report. > > See you next week. > > > > mawa > -- > Zwei Dinge sind unendlich - Das Universum und die menchliche Dummheit. > -- Albert Einstein > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 9928 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:01:54 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup533.nni.com [216.107.9.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA14777 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:01:53 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00335; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:59:47 GMT Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:59:47 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: jackwallen@localhost.localdomain, jr Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipientlistnotshown@localhost.localdomain Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990808105947.E243@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:44:29 jack wallen, jr wrote: > i suppose this might be a way for me to help as well! if someone would > post the specs for icons i'll try to create some as well (could someone > also - if anyone knows - post what icons are needed). > > i'd love to be able to offer something ;-) > What we need to do is to create the icons in the same style as Tigert's as I have noticed that kde icons and tigert icons don't mix well, hence we should use Tigert's muted color theme. Perhaps he has a special palette he works with in The Gimp, and we should ask him if we can obtain it. -- Eric Windisch From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 12312 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:07:12 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAE (smtp5.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15065 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:07:12 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:06:57 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (hil-qbu-ppm-vty14.as.wcom.net [206.175.100.14]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id LAA28695; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:05:56 -0400 (EDT) To: "jack wallen, jr" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: What is that applet!? References: From: Jacob Berkman Date: 08 Aug 1999 11:15:31 -0400 In-Reply-To: "jack wallen, jr"'s message of "Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:07:19 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: <87hfmaqp64.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" "jack wallen, jr" writes: > On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > that applet came in the latest rpms from gurulabs...not sure what rpm it > was with gnome-core? anyone? > > > What? I've been looking for it, where is it? Can you tell me where to > > find it in the CVS directory tree? It is not in the GNOME CVS. I've communicated with the author about including it in gnome-applets, and I think he wanted to rewrite it. It is in the GNOME software mape, I believe. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From kervin@mindspring.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 16727 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:14:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:14:36 -0000 Received: from smtp2.mindspring.com (smtp2.mindspring.com [207.69.200.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15622 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:14:36 -0400 Received: from fit.edu (user-37kat4m.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.116.150]) by smtp2.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA08131; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:14:29 -0400 (EDT) Sender: kervin@mindspring.com Message-ID: <37AD9F35.1AFC8FC5@fit.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 11:16:05 -0400 From: Kervin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: areynolds@geocities.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnomecc problem References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I had the similar problems with gnomecc. somehow recompiling gnomecc after I upgraded my gnome packages fixed it. alanr@stateind.com wrote: > > I have been trying to update my GNOME packages from what shipped with RH6 to the latest and greatest. Everything seems to be working okay expect gnomecc. It will not run. When I try to run it from a terminal window I either hang the terminal session or get "Segmentation Fault (core dumped)" messages. The binary itself seems okay because I can issue a "gnomecc --help" and get help messages and "gnomecc --version" yields "Gnome desktop-manager 1.0.5." Any suggestions? > > TIA, > Alan Reynolds > areynolds@geocities.com > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- ____________________________________________________________ Kervin Pierre. From tshanno@bsd.medctr.luc.edu Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 20629 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:17:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:17:43 -0000 Received: from artemis.it.luc.edu (artemis.it.luc.edu [147.126.240.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA15932 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:17:42 -0400 Received: from wolf.luc.edu (IDENT:tshanno@s217-205.mc.luc.edu [147.126.217.205]) by artemis.it.luc.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA06398 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:17:39 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 10:19:29 -0500 (CDT) From: "Thomas R. Shannon" X-Sender: tshanno@wolf.luc.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote > +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 06:34:57PM +0200 +++ > Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > >KDE have got more than double the icons we've got. And this is an old > > >version; as everyone should now, they are repainting them all at the > > >moment. In high colour. They've got numerous artists working on this > > >in a well-coordinated team. AFAIK, they are painting more than > > >thousand icons. Thousand. When KDE first started I downloaded the first couple beta distributions and monitored their mailing list. I can't remember his name, but one of the original organizational guys was an absolute freak about icons and graphics. He obviously thought that no matter how good the mechanics were on the inside, the number one thing for most lay people was that it look nice on the outside. He was correct, of course, and he made it a priority from day one. So it doesn't surprise me that they have so many nice icons now. I realize that people want GNOME to have its own look. But lets be practical. The KDE icons are free for distribution aren't they? Too be honest, its not that important to me but if people want icons, I suggest they download the KDE icons and use them. Are there specification differences? Or is this a matter of pride? You don't really have to ask to use them but someone could offer an icon exchange. I doubt the KDE people would do it. It would be pretty one sided at the moment. Just a thought, Tom ------- Quote of the day for Saturday, 7 August, 1999: "If you believe everything you read, you better not read." - Japanese proverb From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 23019 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:20:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:20:30 -0000 Received: from NIH2WAAD (smtp4.site1.csi.com [149.174.183.73]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA16185 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:20:30 -0400 Received: from mail pickup service by csi.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:20:29 -0400 Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from jberk (hil-qbu-ppm-vty14.as.wcom.net [206.175.100.14]) by hil-img-ims-1.compuserve.com (8.8.6/8.8.6/IMS-1.9) with SMTP id LAA28822; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:19:25 -0400 (EDT) To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearly hundred" report References: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 08 Aug 1999 11:29:00 -0400 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Sun, 8 Aug 1999 01:45:30 +0200" Message-ID: <87emheqojn.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 56 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Main panel context menu: > (-) System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) > (-) User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) > - Add applet > (40) (-) Add main menu (could use foot icon) > (-) Add drawer (could use drawer pixmap) > (-) Add logout button (could use logout button pixmap) > (-) Add lock button (could use lock button pixmap) > - Add swallowed app > - Add new launcher > - Convert to corner panel > - Create new panel > (-) Remove this panel (could use stock pixmap) > > "Add Applet" submenus: > (50) - Amusements > - Clocks > - Monitors > - Utility Yesterday I was in fact doing this :) > CONFLICTS > ~~~~~~~~~ > - Balsa and TkRat using same icon > -> need for one additional icon > - GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon > -> need for one additional icon > - Colour XTerm and Regular Xterm using same icon > -> need for additional one > - Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon > -> need for additional one > - Sound properties, Multimedia submenu and Audio Mixer using same icon > -> need for two new icons > (- Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu > using same icon (OK IMHO)) > (- same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in > applet menu) > - "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same > icon > -> need for one more > - "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show > bookmarks window" in the help browser using same icon > (100) -> need for two more I don't necessarily agree here. For example, I don't think that regular and color xterms need to be unique. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 1105 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:35:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:35:17 -0000 Received: from mailout08.btx.dtag.de (mailout08.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17430 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:35:15 -0400 Received: from fwd15.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.175]) by mailout08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DUyf-0004Q3-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:35:13 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.65]) by fwd15.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:34:54 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10047 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:25:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:25:37 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) Message-ID: <19990808172537.B10035@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990807233754.B14435@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas R. Shannon on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:19:29AM -0500 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:19:29AM -0500 +++ Thomas R. Shannon e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > When KDE first started I downloaded the first couple beta > distributions and monitored their mailing list. I can't remember his > name, but one of the original organizational guys was an absolute > freak about icons and graphics. He obviously thought that no matter > how good the mechanics were on the inside, the number one thing for > most lay people was that it look nice on the outside. He was correct, > of course, and he made it a priority from day one. So it doesn't > surprise me that they have so many nice icons now. :) > I realize that people want GNOME to have its own look. But lets be > practical. The KDE icons are free for distribution aren't they? Too > be honest, its not that important to me but if people want icons, I > suggest they download the KDE icons and use them. Are there > specification differences? Or is this a matter of pride? A matter of style. > You don't really have to ask to use them but someone could offer an > icon exchange. I doubt the KDE people would do it. It would be > pretty one sided at the moment. Good idea, but the style of the KDE icons is different than the one of the Gnome icons. The old low-colour KDE icons would look very ugly next to Tigert's paintings, and the new high-colour ones are still very different -- blaringly colourful, generally somehow "golden", I feel. KDE's whole look seems yellowish/golden to me, while Gnome usually looks greyish/greenish and generally more mellow. mawa -- Every woman and every man should at least try to keep in mind through their whole life just how incredibly bad one is able to feel during puberty. -- mawa From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 11194 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:51:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:51:13 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA18913 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:51:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 3288 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 1999 15:51:43 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:51:43 -0000 Received: (qmail 27995 invoked by uid 501); 8 Aug 1999 15:51:42 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:51:42 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Icon suggestion In-Reply-To: <37AD5BB5.A19279B7@cyberport.com> References: <37AD5BB5.A19279B7@cyberport.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14253.42712.297520.655898@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Having created some vector graphics in my time, I can tell you that > vector graphics aren't the right tool for the job unless you're willing > to put a _lot_ of work into them and are willing to put up with > _loooong_ render times as the images are rasterized 2 or 3 times larger > than the target canvas and then downsampled for smoothness. Not to > mention that the resulting files will probably be a lot larger for all > but the simplest images, and you'll probably want to cache the generated > .png images anyway. Just to clarify, not disagree: I had meant that the vector graphics would be used to generate a theme of pixmaps, once. As you say, rasterized 2 or 3 times larger, then downsampled. Just to create a starting point of standard icons to fill out one's theme of pixmaps, to save drawing the same shape again and again. -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 15865 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 15:59:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 15:59:27 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19678 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:59:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id LAA25636; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:59:24 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:59:24 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Eric Windisch cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <19990808105947.E243@picasso> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Eric Windisch wrote: > > > On Sun, 08 Aug 1999 00:44:29 jack wallen, jr wrote: > > i suppose this might be a way for me to help as well! if someone would > > post the specs for icons i'll try to create some as well (could someone > > also - if anyone knows - post what icons are needed). > > > > i'd love to be able to offer something ;-) > > > > What we need to do is to create the icons in the same style as > Tigert's as I have noticed that kde icons and tigert icons don't > mix well, hence we should use Tigert's muted color theme. > Perhaps he has a special palette he works with in The Gimp, and > we should ask him if we can obtain it. check out http://tigert.gimp.org/gimp/tutorials/ for info on how he does it... prety neet stuff.... --Ben From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 7621 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:31:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:31:36 -0000 Received: from mailout08.btx.dtag.de (mailout08.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22502 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:31:34 -0400 Received: from fwd15.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.175]) by mailout08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DVr9-0004vz-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:31:31 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.205]) by fwd15.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:31:28 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10089 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:28:58 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:28:58 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearly hundred" report Message-ID: <19990808172858.D10035@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Frantzdale on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:56:22AM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:56:22AM -0400 +++ Ben Frantzdale e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > For anyone who's interested, I've put the tarball of icons I mentioned > earlier (to fill up the foot menu) at > http://www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/icons.tar.gz > Not all of them are great, but most are better than nothing :-) Have they been put into CVS somewhere? > --Ben > > PS > I'm interested in helping to paint more icons. That's great... mawa -- They're expending enough energy just taking in oxygen on a daily basis, you think they have any synaptic activity left over to devote to Intelligent Thought? -- Synth F. Oberheim From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 8830 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:32:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:32:00 -0000 Received: from mailout09.btx.dtag.de (mailout09.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.157]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22546 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:31:57 -0400 Received: from fwd15.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.175]) by mailout09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11DVrX-0002h8-00; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:31:55 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.205]) by fwd15.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:31:33 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA10211; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:46:53 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:46:52 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Ben Frantzdale Subject: Great icons Message-ID: <19990808174652.A10150@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org, Ben Frantzdale References: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Frantzdale on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:56:22AM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:56:22AM -0400 +++ Ben Frantzdale e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > For anyone who's interested, I've put the tarball of icons I mentioned > earlier (to fill up the foot menu) at > http://www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/icons.tar.gz > Not all of them are great, but most are better than nothing :-) I've had a look at them all. Tigert should have the last word on which ones are include; after all, he's the lead artist. Nevertheless, here are my E 0.02: - desktop.png: I take it this is an icon for a Settings menu; maybe its cheery greenness makes it unacceptable, but I like it. - fonts.png: This one's in the spirit of Gnome, but it's got a bad case of stair-stepping and needs to be anti-aliased IMHO. Otherwise great. - gnibbles.png: Great. - GnomeCard.png: Very nice, but staircased. - gnome-find.png: Same thing. - graphics1.png: Maybe hard to recognise when scaled down. Consider using a more mellow colour; it's so orange one hardly notices the holes and the other colours. - i-zip.png: Simply great, but such an icon already exists (i-zipdisk.png). Nevertheless, choice is great, so why not have two ZIP disk icons? - keybord.png: (Typo in the filename, BTW) Nice, but staircased. - laptop.png: Whoa! Beautiful! - selector.png: The idea and the execution is good, but it still looks like a Roman helmet to me. :) - tetravex.png: Maybe unrecognisable when scaled down, consider making the icon *one* single Tetravex tile. - utility.png: Could use more coulours and clearer outlines to look sophisticated and "painted" like Tigert's icons. I don't know about other people, but I think your icons are wonderful and go great with Gnome's overall graphics style. If I could decide, they would go into CVS immediately, but that's all Tigert's decision, of course. mawa -- And when people are thinking, we may have reason to hope. -- Dan Mocsny From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 11852 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:35:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:35:23 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22889 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:35:22 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id MAA25752; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:35:20 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:35:20 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #1 -- The "We need nearly hundred" report In-Reply-To: <19990808172858.D10035@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:56:22AM -0400 +++ > Ben Frantzdale e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > For anyone who's interested, I've put the tarball of icons I mentioned > > earlier (to fill up the foot menu) at > > http://www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/icons.tar.gz > > Not all of them are great, but most are better than nothing :-) > > Have they been put into CVS somewhere? I think tigert is putting them in, but he has said he's buisy... --Ben > > > --Ben > > > > PS > > I'm interested in helping to paint more icons. > > That's great... > > mawa > -- > They're expending enough energy just taking in oxygen on a daily > basis, you think they have any synaptic activity left over to devote > to Intelligent Thought? > -- Synth F. Oberheim > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From millerd@bconnex.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 17950 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:41:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:41:44 -0000 Received: from mail.bconnex.net (mail.bconnex.net [205.189.200.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23398 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:41:44 -0400 Received: from bconnex.net (iah17-38-40.barrie.connex.net [209.212.38.40]) by mail.bconnex.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA08700 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:37:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37ADB2EF.E2286D9E@bconnex.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 12:40:15 -0400 From: denis miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: (no subject) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit When I tried to start Gnome I received the following message: Unable to connect to server port 35091 Program could not talk to the esound server GtkWARNING: cannot open display I am running SuSE 6.1 and have checked that esound is loaded. Can anyone enlighten me as to the cause and correction of this problem. I am running Gnome on my Redhat box and like it much better than KDE. Many thanks Denis From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 20982 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 16:45:54 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23545 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:45:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id MAA25779; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:45:51 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:45:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Great icons In-Reply-To: <19990808174652.A10150@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 10:56:22AM -0400 +++ > Ben Frantzdale e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > For anyone who's interested, I've put the tarball of icons I mentioned > > earlier (to fill up the foot menu) at > > http://www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/icons.tar.gz > > Not all of them are great, but most are better than nothing :-) > > I've had a look at them all. Tigert should have the last word on > which ones are include; after all, he's the lead artist. > > Nevertheless, here are my E 0.02: > > - desktop.png: I take it this is an icon for a Settings menu; maybe > its cheery greenness makes it unacceptable, but I like it. It's for settings->desktop. It is a bit green, but as a sub-menu it's not usually visable... (still no excuse for 2nd best :-) > > - fonts.png: This one's in the spirit of Gnome, but it's got a bad > case of stair-stepping and needs to be anti-aliased IMHO. Otherwise > great. I think this is largely because the antialiasing is black->clear so with a 1 bit alpha chanel you get stair steps :-( > > - gnibbles.png: Great. > > - GnomeCard.png: Very nice, but staircased. > I didn't make this one... I just put it as a suggjestion for the games menu icon. > - gnome-find.png: Same thing. > > - graphics1.png: Maybe hard to recognise when scaled down. Consider > using a more mellow colour; it's so orange one hardly notices the > holes and the other colours. > I don't particularly like that one :-( > - i-zip.png: Simply great, but such an icon already exists > (i-zipdisk.png). Nevertheless, choice is great, so why not have two > ZIP disk icons? > This is in CVS already, I think. > - keybord.png: (Typo in the filename, BTW) Nice, but staircased. > > - laptop.png: Whoa! Beautiful! if you look carefully you can see a gimp session editing that very icon :-) > > - selector.png: The idea and the execution is good, but it still > looks like a Roman helmet to me. :) It doesn't contrast too well with the default grey. > > - tetravex.png: Maybe unrecognisable when scaled down, consider making > the icon *one* single Tetravex tile. > not a bad idea... > - utility.png: Could use more coulours and clearer outlines to look > sophisticated and "painted" like Tigert's icons. > I agree. > > I don't know about other people, but I think your icons are wonderful > and go great with Gnome's overall graphics style. If I could decide, > they would go into CVS immediately, but that's all Tigert's decision, > of course. > Thanks:-) --Ben From mg@plum.de Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 27396 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 17:42:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 17:42:40 -0000 Received: from www.plum.de ([194.77.2.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA27983 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:42:39 -0400 Received: from plum.de (prangh.dorf.RWTH-Aachen.DE [134.130.59.207]) by www.plum.de (8.9.3/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA20965 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:42:31 +0200 Message-ID: <37ADC1E4.7F95EA3D@plum.de> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 19:44:04 +0200 From: Michael Glauche X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) References: <19990807204802.D834@ogoense.net> <199908080049.UAA06160@coco.comstar.net> <19990808145917.A4284@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus schrieb: > +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 08:49:49PM -0400 +++ > Gregory McLean e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > > Lemme say this.. This is the sizes that are currently in use. > > > > Desktop icons: 48x48 > > Menu Icons: 24x24 > > > > So that would be my guess for sizes needed right off. I think they are > > scaled > > to other sizes.. > > Icons are generally scaled down to 24x24 for the menus, too. Actually, > I think all of Gnome's external icons (as opposed to stock pixmaps) > are 48x48. > Can PNG have multiple resolutions ? like 24x24 and 48x48 ? Some icons don't scale very well, and one nice thing on the windows .ico format is IIRC that it can have multiple resolutions and color deeps. regards, Michael From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 14925 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 18:07:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 18:07:25 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA30207 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:07:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA21366; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:40:21 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:40:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Michael Vanderford cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Makeing Yes default In-Reply-To: <37ACF632.ED53AE6@selectrec.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Michael Vanderford wrote: > When ever i get propted @ YES/NO dialog boxes the default selection > is NO . > Does any one no the steps to make the default YES. > If Yes doesn't cause any destructive action, it should be the default; this is a bug in the software. You should submit a bug report mentioning the specific package and dialog to bugs.gnome.org. If Yes is destructive, it should not be the default so please don't file a bug. Havoc From sungod@atdot.org Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 24187 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 18:19:43 -0000 Received: from home.ifx.net (home.ifx.net [206.25.218.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA31357 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:19:42 -0400 Received: from [206.25.218.83] (ip83.ifx.net [206.25.218.83]) by home.ifx.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id PAA05159; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:18:23 -0400 (EDT) (envelope-from sungod@ifx.net) Message-Id: <199908081918.PAA05159@home.ifx.net> Subject: Re: Makeing Yes default Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:19:38 -0400 x-sender: sungod@ifx.net x-mailer: Claris Emailer 2.0v3, January 22, 1998 From: sungod To: "Michael Vanderford" cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Havoc Pennington (hp@redhat.com)'s email of 08/09/99 00:40 said: > >On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Michael Vanderford wrote: >> When ever i get propted @ YES/NO dialog boxes the default selection >> is NO . >> Does any one no the steps to make the default YES. >> > >If Yes doesn't cause any destructive action, it should be the default; >this is a bug in the software. You should submit a bug report mentioning >the specific package and dialog to bugs.gnome.org. If Yes is destructive, >it should not be the default so please don't file a bug. However, you *should* file a usability bug report to tell the author to change "yes" and "no" to verbs that actually tell the computer what to do. This has been brought up and agreed upon several times; let's make it happen. -- "True riches only increase." -R. Buckminster Fuller --------------------------------------------------- sungod@atdot.org http://blackness.org/ From pfm2@paddym.res.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 8966 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 18:42:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 18:42:12 -0000 Received: from paddym.res.cmu.edu (root@PADDYM.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.160.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00687 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 14:42:11 -0400 Received: from andrew.cmu.edu (pfm2@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by paddym.res.cmu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19416 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:05:38 -0400 Sender: pfm2@paddym.res.cmu.edu Message-ID: <37ADD4FE.15535BF5@andrew.cmu.edu> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:05:34 -0400 From: Patrick Markiewicz Organization: Carnegie Mellon University X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Usability suggestions References: <37AD3F26.DF2517E9@cyberport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Warren Young wrote: > > I have two suggestions for the GNOME environment I'd like to see added. > Neither would be terribly difficult, and neither strays radically from > fundamental design decisions like many of those in that _other_ thread. > > 1. This has already been suggested at least once before, but I want to > second it: a way to align icons on the desktop to some grid whose box > sizes you can set. Windows 95 and later have this in their "Line up > icons" item on the right-click menu. A tidy desktop leaves a much > better impression than one whose icons are slightly out of kilter with > respect to each other. I lack the patience to line them up by hand. > I have something to add to this suggestion. I think in KDE the icons are lined up automatically. I would actually prefer this method of automatically lining up icons over haveing to select a menu item the way windows does. In fact I think Windows was really foolish for doing things that way, because who wants their icons all cluttered. If anyone does then I guess it should just be an option, but I, for one, never like my icons cluttered. Sincerely, Patrick Markiewicz From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 21940 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 19:57:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 19:57:21 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06307 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:57:21 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DZ4I-0007RM-0B for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:57:18 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id UAA00716 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:21:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:21:04 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Startup Programs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I appear to have a problem with Session Management: I just upgraded to gnome-libs-1.0.12 from 10, and gnome-utils-1.0.12 too, and now GNOME finally remembers that I have Eterms running showing logs. I get these by specifying in my E menu a series of attributes including borderless, font, transparency, shading a a tail file. Unfortunately, when I restart I get both Eterms loaded up in standard mode without borders and at position 0+0, standard size and font. Looking at Control Center -> Startup Programs shows that it is remembering the geometry, but not acting on it, but not remembering the font information although it has --font. Does anyone else have this problem? Is there a fix? Regards, -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 21997 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 19:57:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 19:57:23 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06318 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:57:22 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DZ4K-0007RM-0B for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:57:21 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA07110 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:00:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:00:06 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [Suggestion] Formatting in GMC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here's a suggestion for implementation in GMC or Son of GMC: I can select /mnt/floppy in GMC, so how about bringing up a menu with possible options including formatting of disks (DOS, VFAT, ext2, etc.)? I am surprised actually that I can't bring up a menu in the left-hand pane to perform ops on directories... Just a quickie. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From millerd@bconnex.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 4734 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 20:17:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 20:17:40 -0000 Received: from mail.bconnex.net (mail.bconnex.net [205.189.200.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA08125 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:17:37 -0400 Received: from bconnex.net (iah17-157.barrie.connex.net [209.212.39.157]) by mail.bconnex.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id QAA02788 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:13:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37ADE58D.2726EBF1@bconnex.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 16:16:13 -0400 From: denis miller X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Eliminate the Ripple effect Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Somehow in my finger poking I have turned on the ripple effect on my desktop. I have spent over an hour trying to figure out where it is so I can turn it off. No luck. Can anyone help? Denis From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 13417 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 20:37:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 20:37:37 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09627 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:37:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id QAA26291; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:37:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:37:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: denis miller cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Eliminate the Ripple effect In-Reply-To: <37ADE58D.2726EBF1@bconnex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII select Desktop -> FX-ripples from the E menu (middle click on the desktop) It should have given you a warning saying how to turn it off when you turned it on. --Ben On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, denis miller wrote: > Somehow in my finger poking I have turned on the ripple effect on my > desktop. I have spent over an hour trying to figure out where it is so > I can turn it off. No luck. > Can anyone help? > > Denis > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 13573 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 20:37:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 20:37:43 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA09631 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:37:43 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-64.powerisp.com [199.105.137.64]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id NAA29349; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 13:37:00 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37ADEA00.F12F86A0@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 15:35:12 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: denis miller CC: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Eliminate the Ripple effect References: <37ADE58D.2726EBF1@bconnex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit denis miller wrote: > > Somehow in my finger poking I have turned on the ripple effect on my > desktop. I have spent over an hour trying to figure out where it is so > I can turn it off. No luck. > Can anyone help? > > Denis Middle-click on the desktop, then go to the "Desktop" submenu, and reselect the ripple efffect to turn it off. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 32460 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 21:05:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 21:05:51 -0000 Received: from rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (root@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl [153.19.42.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11491 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:05:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (kloczek@localhost) by rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA21238; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:05:37 +0200 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:05:36 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= To: James Green cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: [Suggestion] Formatting in GMC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > Here's a suggestion for implementation in GMC or Son of GMC: > > I can select /mnt/floppy in GMC, so how about bringing up a menu with > possible options including formatting of disks (DOS, VFAT, ext2, etc.)? Nonsens. For formating or creating fs structure You must have root privilidges or must have write permission to specified /dev/fd#. Unices world use modularized model where each elementar job can be done with separated command. Including device formating code in MC is completly dumb idea. Also We can't expect that on all system normal user have permission for formatting device or making on them fs structure (this is big security risk) .. also remember that formatting and making fs stricture is not non-root job. Use fdformat from xterm or mkfs -t if You want to do format or make fs structure on floppy (if You have permission) .. and allow stay [G]MC as file manager. kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie mają problemów, tylko sobie sami je stwarzają* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz Kłoczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 1577 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 21:08:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 21:08:41 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA11661 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:08:41 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DaBL-000K7i-0C; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:08:40 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id VAA02508; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:51:50 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:51:50 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: denis miller cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Eliminate the Ripple effect In-Reply-To: <37ADE58D.2726EBF1@bconnex.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, denis miller wrote: > Somehow in my finger poking I have turned on the ripple effect on my > desktop. I have spent over an hour trying to figure out where it is so > I can turn it off. No luck. > Can anyone help? The Ripple Effect is an Enlightenment function. Bring up the E menu (usually middle button) -> Desktop -> FX - Ripple. Switches it on/off. Two more effects are in E CVS (which is proving suprisingly stable here). -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From berrs@update.uu.se Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 14707 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 21:33:45 -0000 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13424 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:33:44 -0400 Received: (qmail 5335 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:32:52 +0200 Received: from du65-1.ppp.algonet.se (HELO jason) (195.100.1.65) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:32:52 +0200 From: Per Erik Stendahl Subject: Re: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? In-Reply-To: <199908061423.KAA04545@coco.comstar.net> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:06:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: berra@jason Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Fri, 6 Aug 1999, Gregory McLean wrote: > -> I was looking at gnome-core.spec and I saw that it requires xscreensaver. > -> Have I understood this correctly? If gnome-core cannot live without it's > -> screensaver, that's like... having an operatingsystem that cannot live > -> without it's webbrowser! ;-) > -> > Thats more a dependency to prevent confused newbies. The > control-center/panel/whatachmacallit has an xscreensaver capplet. So > installing a capplet without the application will cause confusion. Besides > RH includes > xscreensaver in the dist so more then likely it will be installed. Wouldn't it be better then if the capplet was included in the screensaver package? I really don't want to be forced to install a program that I know I won't use (especially a program that litters a lot in /usr/bin :-). About the "Lock screen" menu choice: Having "Lock screen" in the foot menu might or might not be a good idea. I only know that if that choice is in the menu and there is no facilities for locking the screen then the choice should be disabled and greyed out with an explanation on the right click (or something, sometimes I want to know why something isn't available to me). > -> Seriously, can xscreensaver do the real thing and just "xset dpms"? > > xscreensaver does more then just blank the screen :) Yeah, it hogs the CPU! :) -- Per Erik Stendahl From berrs@update.uu.se Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 16140 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 21:34:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 21:34:13 -0000 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13401 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:33:33 -0400 Received: (qmail 5365 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:32:56 +0200 Received: from du65-1.ppp.algonet.se (HELO jason) (195.100.1.65) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:32:56 +0200 From: Per Erik Stendahl Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! In-Reply-To: Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:27:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: berra@jason Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Sat, 7 Aug 1999, Ben Frantzdale wrote: > Aside: I've always found that drag CD to trash incredibly counter > intuative. My fave is the way dos/windows deals with its floppy. Saying > "hey, give that back" If it isn't done writing, or "it's not there" if > there's no disk, but otherwise not complaining. About the drag-to-trash-to-eject: I recently read in an user-interface book about this. The original designers actually didn't sit down and decide that dragging the disc to the trashcan was a good model for ejecting a disc. :-) The purpose of this action is to "throw away" the internal directory cache of that particular disc. One person thought that making the user do two things (throwing away the cache and then ejecting the disc) for a mundane task was stupid and made the drag-to- trash also eject the disc as a side-effect. People, when initially faced with this, thought it was strange but after a while couldn't live without it. Well, maybe a "stop-using" droptarget would've been better... :-) -- Per Erik Stendahl From berrs@update.uu.se Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 17329 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 21:34:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 21:34:42 -0000 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA13563 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:34:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 5312 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:32:49 +0200 Received: from du65-1.ppp.algonet.se (HELO jason) (195.100.1.65) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:32:49 +0200 From: Per Erik Stendahl Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc In-Reply-To: <004201bede84$e623ae60$15c2a4c2@webtribe.net> Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:41:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: berra@jason Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Wed, 4 Aug 1999, Iain wrote: > > > Yup, that's the story I got a few months back when I complained about > this. > > > Mostly it doesn't matter too much. But since Perl libraries and X > Pixmaps both > > > use *.pm, it *can* have some funny results =OZ > > > > gnome-libs provides functions to determine the mime type both from file > > extension and magic numbers. Perhaps gmc could be modified to use magic > > numbers if file extensions are ambiguous. hmm. if i remember tonight > > maybe I'll give it a look. > > How about using the extension for display of icons, but the magic numbers > when you double click the file? This way the file would only have to be read > when you're opening it, so it wouldn't cause much slow down. > And then, it could check if it got the icon wrong, for example, a text file > called text.jpg would originally have a picture icon, but when you double > click on it, the magic numbers are checked, it turns out to be a plain text > file, emacs (or whatever) is opened for it, and the icon changes to a text > icon, thus ignoring the (wrong) .jpg extension. I was also thinking about doing a "lightweight" descision while viewing the directory and a "heavyweight" descision when doubleclicking on a file. However I decided that doing that is bad since it would be a big surprise for Joe User when he discovers that what happened was far from what he thought would happen. Doing a thorough checkup in the background breaks when you sort on filetype. So this looks like a lose-lose situation. :-( Ideally we would want a filesystem that includes the filetype in the stat() call, but that's ... way off I think. Another thing: I don't actually use gmc (more of a Dir.Opus guy) but one thing I would really want to see is the ability to register more than one program for a certain filetype. On my Redmond box I have several imagemanipulationprograms (gee) installed and ... well #%"#%$&Ł¤˝@#!!!:-) So, I would just like to right click on a jpg and Open_with->Gimp or Open_with->ee or Open_with->whatever. Cheers. -- Per Erik Stendahl From lesan.1@osu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 25510 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 21:47:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 21:47:10 -0000 Received: from mail.cinternet.net (root@mail.cinternet.net [206.112.217.12]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA14846 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:47:10 -0400 Received: from samiel.cinternet.net (nas.cinternet.net [206.112.217.30]) by mail.cinternet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15056; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:47:06 -0400 Received: (from lesan.1@localhost) by samiel.cinternet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA14927; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:47:00 -0400 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 17:47:00 -0400 From: Rob Lesan To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= Cc: James Green , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: [Suggestion] Formatting in GMC Message-ID: <19990808174700.C2324@osu.edu> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?=3CPine=2ELNX=2E4=2E10=2E9908082253030=2E17269-100000=40r?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?udy=2Emif=2Epg=2Egda=2Epl=3E=3B_from_Tomasz_K=B3oczko_on_?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?Sun=2C_Aug_08=2C_1999_at_11:05:36PM_+0200?= This idea doesn't seem that far fetched to me. Seems like formatting a floppy disk would be a task a "normal" user might expect the file manager to do. It doesn't mean you have to kill the modular structure of unix -- just include a menu that would call fdformat or whatever. Whether the user has to be root or just a member of the floppy group in order to create the filesystem on the floppy disk can be left up to the distribution/sysadmin. -Rob Tomasz Kłoczko [kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl] said: > On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > > Here's a suggestion for implementation in GMC or Son of GMC: > > > > I can select /mnt/floppy in GMC, so how about bringing up a menu with > > possible options including formatting of disks (DOS, VFAT, ext2, etc.)? > > Nonsens. For formating or creating fs structure You must have root > privilidges or must have write permission to specified /dev/fd#. > > Unices world use modularized model where each elementar job can be done > with separated command. Including device formating code in MC is completly > dumb idea. Also We can't expect that on all system normal user have > permission for formatting device or making on them fs structure (this is > big security risk) .. also remember that formatting and making fs > stricture is not non-root job. > > Use fdformat from xterm or mkfs -t if You want to do format or > make fs structure on floppy (if You have permission) .. and allow stay > [G]MC as file manager. > > kloczek > -- > ----------------------------------------------------------- > *Ludzie nie maj? problemów, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj?* > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tomasz K?oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > -- "If you can't be kind, at least have the decency to be vague." --Unknown From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:26 2000 Received: (qmail 7034 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:07:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:07:44 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA16597 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:07:42 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem108.webtribe.net [194.164.194.108]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14600; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:09:33 GMT Message-ID: <000d01bee1e9$82677380$6cc2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: , "Matthias Warkus" References: <19990808014530.A28809@audrey> <19990808174652.A10150@audrey> Subject: Some more icons Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:00:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Here's some icons I've done. I'm not an artist in any form, so I just copied tigerts and changed a few things. http://www.webtribe.net/a/ambiance/gnome-application-php.png - For php files http://www.webtribe.net/a/ambiance/gnome-video-avi.png - For avi files. Hope someone finds them useful. Iain From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 10655 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:12:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:12:02 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17104 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:12:00 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DbAX-000JVn-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:11:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA03660 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:10:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:10:47 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: All these ideas Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dear all, It's great seeing how so many people on the list(s) want to get involve, suggest new features, etc., but I think we really need is a centralised method of getting these proposals public. Searching the www.gnome.org site isn't particularly great fun, but I did notice three things: 1. The screenshots are badly in need of updating. How about implementing the same type of thing e.themes.org uses whereby people can upload their own shots and have the latest ones on display, plus an archive? 2. I've been wondering what exactly Bonobo is. I took a look at developer.gnome.org but none of the top-level entries mentioned it. Maybe this should be addressed? 3. The important bit: there is a tasks page for people to submit their ideas for others to implement/join up on. However, there exists two entries, both on 7th June. There is no obvious way of adding a suggestion either. This needs addressing. Maybe Jim Cape's UI website could be moved onto the main www.gnome.org site as /ui/ and the icon project be expanded where applicable to become /art/ ? On both people would be able to submit their own views and work (particularly art) and download extras (again particularly art). Either way, other than the GNOME Software Map, I get the impression that gnome.org is frustratingly non-interactive. There is also (imo) the need for a well-advertised page on the site to direct people to the various projects going on. Can these issues be addressed? Thanks, -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 15323 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:15:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:15:55 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17331 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:15:53 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem108.webtribe.net [194.164.194.108]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14747; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:17:34 GMT Message-ID: <002901bee1ea$9e91ba60$6cc2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "Patrick Markiewicz" , "Gnome List" References: <37AD3F26.DF2517E9@cyberport.com> <37ADD4FE.15535BF5@andrew.cmu.edu> Subject: Re: Usability suggestions Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:08:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 >. I would actually prefer this method of > automatically lining up icons over haveing to select a menu item the way > windows does. In fact I think Windows was really foolish for doing > things that way, because who wants their icons all cluttered. If anyone > does then I guess it should just be an option, but I, for one, never > like my icons cluttered. I think the windows default is to have them all lined up at the side, you have to turn it off before you can drag an icon out of "line". And I like my icons laid out in the blank space of my background picture. :) Iain From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 17084 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:17:43 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17462 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:17:42 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DbG9-000OBW-0A for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:17:41 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA03744 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:16:34 +0100 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:16:34 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Some more icons In-Reply-To: <000d01bee1e9$82677380$6cc2a4c2@webtribe.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Iain wrote: > Here's some icons I've done. > I'm not an artist in any form, so I just copied tigerts and changed a few > things. > > http://www.webtribe.net/a/ambiance/gnome-application-php.png - For php files > http://www.webtribe.net/a/ambiance/gnome-video-avi.png - For avi files. These are good. I just wish there was some way to play i263 avis in Linux :( Off-topic: btw, does anyone else find xanim's speed appauling? -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From br0ke@math.smsu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 19211 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:19:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:19:19 -0000 Received: from math.smsu.edu (br0ke@math.smsu.edu [146.7.234.28]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA17638 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:19:18 -0400 From: br0ke@math.smsu.edu Received: (from br0ke@localhost) by math.smsu.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA13646 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:25:17 -0500 Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 16:25:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199908082125.QAA13646@math.smsu.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Usability suggestions On 08-Aug-99 Patrick Markiewicz wrote: > Warren Young wrote: >> >> I have two suggestions for the GNOME environment I'd like to see added. >> Neither would be terribly difficult, and neither strays radically from >> fundamental design decisions like many of those in that _other_ thread. >> >> 1. This has already been suggested at least once before, but I want to >> second it: a way to align icons on the desktop to some grid whose box >> sizes you can set. Windows 95 and later have this in their "Line up >> icons" item on the right-click menu. A tidy desktop leaves a much >> better impression than one whose icons are slightly out of kilter with >> respect to each other. I lack the patience to line them up by hand. >> > I have something to add to this suggestion. I think in KDE the icons > are lined up automatically. I would actually prefer this method of > automatically lining up icons over haveing to select a menu item the way > windows does. In fact I think Windows was really foolish for doing > things that way, because who wants their icons all cluttered. If anyone > does then I guess it should just be an option, but I, for one, never > like my icons cluttered. > Sincerely, > Patrick Markiewicz > what about people who don't like their icons arranged the default way? My brother (who uses win95) likes to put a desktop image that leaves a wide black border around it, then place his icons along the top and side edges. It actually looks pretty good on screen (except for that ugly start bar). It's not that people like cluttered desktops, its taht they like arranging them how they want it, not how some guy coding decides they will have it... > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -Erik [http://shells.clipboard.com/~br0ke] The opinions expressed by me are not necessarily opinions. In all probability, they are random rambling, and to be ignored. Failure to ignore may result in severe boredom or confusion. Shake well before opening. Keep Refrigerated. From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 23011 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:24:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:24:17 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18087 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:24:16 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem108.webtribe.net [194.164.194.108]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14909; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:25:37 GMT Message-ID: <003d01bee1eb$be9a4ce0$6cc2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "Per Erik Stendahl" , References: Subject: Re: Filetype identification in gmc Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:17:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > Another thing: I don't actually use gmc (more of a Dir.Opus guy) but > one thing I would really want to see is the ability to register more > than one program for a certain filetype. On my Redmond box I have > several imagemanipulationprograms (gee) installed and ... well > #%"#%$&Ł¤˝@#!!! :-) So, I would just like to right click on a > jpg and Open_with->Gimp or Open_with->ee or Open_with->whatever. In control-centre/capplets/mime-types you can set what you want things to be viewed or edited with I have EE set to open all images when double clicked, but gimp to load them when I rightclick ->edit works nicely Iain From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 28986 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:29:50 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18599 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:29:49 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem108.webtribe.net [194.164.194.108]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id WAA14972; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:31:44 GMT Message-ID: <004701bee1ec$9973ff00$6cc2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: "James Green" , References: Subject: Re: All these ideas Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:23:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 > > 2. I've been wondering what exactly Bonobo is. I took a look at > developer.gnome.org but none of the top-level entries mentioned it. Maybe > this should be addressed? I think (from what I understand) it allows you to stick a file from another application into the file you're working on. IE gnumeric can display a guppi graph - it doesn't know how to display it, it just knows to call guppi and display guppis output. If you have IE4 and Word (yes, ewww windows) try this. Load a word document into IE, and instead of it displaying crap, the toolbars will change to Word toolbars and you can edit it, but it's still IE and there's still the back and forward and usual IE stuff. I think it's like that, but I might be wrong (if so, someone with more brains than I do explain it to me). (Hopefully it'll work better than MS's version, ;) Iain From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 29329 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 22:30:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 22:30:05 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA18616 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 18:30:05 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (pti5300-1-64.powerisp.com [199.105.137.64]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id PAA02510; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 15:29:09 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37AE03CC.AA572C85@jcinteractive.com> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 17:25:16 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.10-3 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Green CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: All these ideas References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Green wrote: > > Dear all, > > It's great seeing how so many people on the list(s) want to get involve, > suggest new features, etc., but I think we really need is a centralised > method of getting these proposals public. > > Searching the www.gnome.org site isn't particularly great fun, but I did > notice three things: > > 1. The screenshots are badly in need of updating. How about implementing > the same type of thing e.themes.org uses whereby people can upload their > own shots and have the latest ones on display, plus an archive? > > 2. I've been wondering what exactly Bonobo is. I took a look at > developer.gnome.org but none of the top-level entries mentioned it. Maybe > this should be addressed? > > 3. The important bit: there is a tasks page for people to submit their > ideas for others to implement/join up on. However, there exists two > entries, both on 7th June. There is no obvious way of adding a suggestion > either. This needs addressing. > > Maybe Jim Cape's UI website could be moved onto the main www.gnome.org > site as /ui/ and the icon project be expanded where applicable to become > /art/ ? On both people would be able to submit their own views and work > (particularly art) and download extras (again particularly art). Either > way, other than the GNOME Software Map, I get the impression that > gnome.org is frustratingly non-interactive. > > There is also (imo) the need for a well-advertised page on the site to > direct people to the various projects going on. > > Can these issues be addressed? > > Thanks, Whenever I get CVS write access, the website will be moved to developer.gnome.org. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 9680 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:26:30 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23986; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:26:30 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DcKN-0006wF-0C; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:26:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA04702; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:24:34 +0100 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:24:33 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: CVS Introduction needed Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello, I have for a few weeks been using cvs versions of E, Esound, imlib, fnlib and audiofile, all from opn, without too much bother. I feel now the time is right to enquire about obtaining gnome from cvs too. I am at this minute obtaining from anoncvs.gnome.org glib, gtk+, imlib, ORBit, gnome-libs and gnome-core, however I have a few questions before getting stuck-in: 1. I don't want to hold two copies of things as I appear to be with imlib right now. How can I tell which to use? I see Eterm is also duplicated on both gnome and opn cvs servers, yet the one on opn appears to be out of date. Since I'm on a modem in Britian (per-min telco charges) I obviously have to keep d/ls down to a minimum and duplication right out. 2. Would someone explain the layout of the gnome cvs server to me? I understand there's the one for which 1.0.x releases are taken, perhaps one for the 1.0.50 release, and one for unstable and new things (head?). Could anyone explain what to get for what purpose? I'm planning on using the most stable (1.0.x) tree, but may decide to use the 'bleeding edge' new tree in the future (how are people finding it? generally stable? crashing every day? opinions?). 3. gnome-core and gnome-libs seem a little basic for gnome needs, although they are the only requirements. In order to see more gnome-stuff, should I also get some libs and gnome-* packages? Please advise. 4. Finally, how are people finding the cvs version? Buggy? Hard to build? I'm talking percentage of failures to build not task of autogenning and so forth... Any opinions? Thanks. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 19351 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:38:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:38:30 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA24837 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:38:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 29048 invoked by uid 0); 8 Aug 1999 23:39:00 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:39:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 3304 invoked by uid 501); 8 Aug 1999 23:38:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:38:58 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Heh! Maybe I can help! (was: Icons) In-Reply-To: <37ADC1E4.7F95EA3D@plum.de> References: <19990807204802.D834@ogoense.net> <199908080049.UAA06160@coco.comstar.net> <19990808145917.A4284@audrey> <37ADC1E4.7F95EA3D@plum.de> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14254.5067.664613.680503@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Can PNG have multiple resolutions ? like 24x24 and 48x48 ? Some > icons don't scale very well, and one nice thing on the windows .ico > format is IIRC that it can have multiple resolutions and color > deeps. I don't believe that PNG can have multiple resolutions[1]. However, *we* have Unix (which windows doesn't). We can have multiple subdirectories for resolutions, e.g. 24x24 and another named 48x48. If you have an icon in both resolutions, store separate files. If you only have one, use a hard link to the same icon file, in both directories. The code which loads up the icons expands or shrinks, depending on the size of the actual file. [1] And I'm too lazy to check, in part because I want to show off my superior understanding of how Unix should be used. :). -- -russ nelson http://crynwr.com/~nelson Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 22711 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:42:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:42:05 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25077 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:42:02 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-a4.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.165]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA26218; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:41:28 +0100 Message-Id: <199908082341.AAA26218@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 01:44:04 +0200 To: berrs@update.uu.se From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: gnome-core requires xscreensaver? Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >Wouldn't it be better then if the capplet was included in the screensaver >package? I really don't want to be forced to install a program that I know >I won't use (especially a program that litters a lot in /usr/bin :-). I guess your words are wise. Why should the config utility of something be with other app, and just because it is in a "must install this" package, requiere the apps it configures? Weird. GSR From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 24119 invoked from network); 8 Aug 1999 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 8 Aug 1999 23:42:55 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA25141 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:42:30 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-a4.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.165]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA26226; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:41:35 +0100 Message-Id: <199908082341.AAA26226@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 01:44:11 +0200 To: pfm2@andrew.cmu.edu From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: Usability suggestions Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >> 1. This has already been suggested at least once before, but I want to >> second it: a way to align icons on the desktop to some grid whose box >> sizes you can set. Windows 95 and later have this in their "Line up >> icons" item on the right-click menu. A tidy desktop leaves a much >> better impression than one whose icons are slightly out of kilter with >> respect to each other. I lack the patience to line them up by hand. >I have something to add to this suggestion. I think in KDE the icons >are lined up automatically. I would actually prefer this method of >automatically lining up icons over haveing to select a menu item the way >windows does. In fact I think Windows was really foolish for doing >things that way, because who wants their icons all cluttered. If anyone >does then I guess it should just be an option, but I, for one, never >like my icons cluttered. Lined to a grid, I guess? Nice. But remmember, out there there is people who like disorder. I like order, my order (configurable grid, but where I want the icons). I think it will be easy to implement the grid / no grid / auto idea fast. GSR From nodatadj@webtribe.net Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 18471 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 00:16:42 -0000 Received: from leopard.webtribe.net (leopard.webtribe.net [194.164.194.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA28324 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:16:42 -0400 Received: from tigermilk.webtribe.net (modem63.webtribe.net [194.164.194.63]) by leopard.webtribe.net (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id AAA16688; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:18:37 GMT Message-ID: <001001bee1fb$87aaa120$3fc2a4c2@webtribe.net> From: "Iain" To: , "Matthias Warkus" Subject: More new icons Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:10:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 Hi, I've put my icons up on a webpage http://www.webtribe.net/i/iain/icons.html There's now 6 of them .php .rej (for errors from patch) .sql 2 for .tab (guitar tab files (the guitar looks crap, my apologies for that) .avi Hope you like them -IANAA (I am not an artist :) Some more ideas for icons I'd like to see .orig (from patch) .in (for configure.in etc) Iain From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 15965 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 01:01:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 01:01:31 -0000 Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (mailout05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.153]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32394 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:01:30 -0400 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11Ddof-0000hk-00; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:01:29 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.29]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:01:25 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02254 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:06:39 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:06:39 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: A couple panel issues Message-ID: <19990809010639.A2245@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Two questions related to the panel: 1. Is the Gnome Pager going to be completely replaced by the Task List and the Desk Guide? 2. Does anyone use a pixmap background for their Gnome panel(s)? I noticed that no suitable pixmaps seem to ship with Gnome. If you don't mind, I'd like to cobble up a tarball or two with pixmaps that go well in the Gnome panel and put them up on my Web page; I'm going to look for textures on my own box, but if you could submit me some, I'd be happy. (As you can see, for some reason I'm on a mission for prettifying Gnome. Don't know where that comes from. Maybe I've caught too much sunlight.:) Ideally, I think, gnome-core should ship with a couple panel backgrounds. We have already got those great launcher tiles, so maybe we can include roughly the same number of panel pixmaps in the package? The tiles don't work as they aren't seamless (of course); your panel looks tiled if you texture it with a launcher tile. There is at least one project I know (Propaganda) dedicated to making seamless background pixmaps, but none of those seem small enough or easy enough on the eyes for serving as the background of a panel. TIA mawa -- As always with nethack, if you are gullible or take anything for granted, then you are dinner. -- Darcy Brockbank From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 16042 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 01:01:32 -0000 Received: from mailout06.btx.dtag.de (mailout06.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32395 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:01:30 -0400 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout06.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11Ddof-0003sP-00; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:01:29 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.29]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 03:01:23 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01878 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:15:32 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:15:32 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Suggestion] Formatting in GMC Message-ID: <19990809001532.C1795@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990808174700.C2324@osu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990808174700.C2324@osu.edu>; from Rob Lesan on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 05:47:00PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 05:47:00PM -0400 +++ Rob Lesan e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > This idea doesn't seem that far fetched to me. Seems like formatting a > floppy disk would be a task a "normal" user might expect the file > manager to do. Actually, it's not something that's directly related to *managing* *files*, but surely one would expect a floppy symbol to have a kind of format option in its context menu. > It doesn't mean you have to kill the modular structure > of unix -- just include a menu that would call fdformat or whatever. > Whether the user has to be root or just a member of the floppy group in > order to create the filesystem on the floppy disk can be left up to the > distribution/sysadmin. Obviously, gsu could be useful here. Hm... I don't want to rant *again*, but what's happened to gsu? mawa -- If you believe in nothing, honey, it believes in you. -- Dan Schmidt. From pts@shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 14432 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 01:44:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 01:44:24 -0000 Received: from shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU (shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU [134.178.6.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03909 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:44:23 -0400 Received: from bom.gov.au (pts@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id BAA25632; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:44:19 GMT Sender: pts@shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU Message-ID: <37AE3272.75879F89@bom.gov.au> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 11:44:18 +1000 From: Paul Seymour Organization: National Climate Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/869) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org CC: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca, james@daa.com.au Subject: Re: Help PLEASE! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: drag and drop problem. Hi all, and in reply to Bidemi and James, Firstly thankyou for your help. It was a great help. James wrote: >Your problem is mainly with gmc (the file manager that controls the >desktop icons). I don't know if GMC currently supports making an icon >into a drag destination. This I think is the main point. Unless anyone can let us know otherwise??? I think that it's probably just not yet supported to have an icon (I had a shortcut icon on the desktop to the gnome editor) that you can drag and drop a file to and have it launch with the file in it. ie have the shortcut as the drag destination. I 'm thinking this is probably not currently supported like James has suggested. But when I do this action I get no error messages, a small flurry of disk activity and gmc seems to flash and dance a bit as if it's about to do something, but then nothing. >This is probably possible with a toy-lette >(great name, by the way), but I don't know how easy it would be to >configure this. James, what is this? Can you tell me where to get this. I'll try it. (unless of course this is a joke, with a name like this!?:) >A number of the applications allow you to drag files to the actual >application window to load a file. You could try this as well. Yes this works. And always did. I guess this is great enough for now. thanks! But other window managers let you drop straight onto the icon shortcut. Rather than run the shortcut to a window first. I would guess that it wouldn't be too complicted to remove this extra step? Why need it. Just drop straight on the shortcut. I would like to make a suggestion that this functionality be made available in the future. Unless there is some reason that it is really complicated to do so. Make sense yes? Even windozzze does it. Thats part of the beauty of having the shortcuts in the desktop. The concept is our gift from the Mac os. Thankyou also Bidemi: In reply: Mine is a FreeBSD box. I have compiled the whole of gnome from the bsd ports skeleton. There were a few hiccups that I did Kludge my way through, (yes I confess!!!:) but they were only in applets I'm not using. To be sure I reinstalled the dnd, drag and drop library. I then recompiled the filemanager gmc. But no difference. I wonder perhaps I need to recompile the panel also. ??? I 'm not sure. But it was still the same. Didn't work to drop on shortcut. However the fact that drag and drop does and has always worked to drop on an open application suggests I guess that the drag and drop is working it's just that drop to shortcut is not yet implemented. I can't imagine that it would be more than a step away but I'm not the developer so I don't know. Perhaps there is a good reason. Or perhaps now with the dnd library new install I need to reinstall the whole of gnome, so that bin's can relink? Also I went to "www. gnome.org for the list of libraries and utilities that you need to have installed in order" but I couldn't find where this list of order of compilation was. And I want it! If anyone can give me a complete URL i'd be grateful. Anyway I think relinking everything is probably not needed as before, although dnd didn't register as one of my installed packages explicitly I think that the bsd port installed it as a matter of course because I saw the dates for the dnd port directory had been touched at install time. The files from hear have been cleaned out since though. Besides if it drag and drops to the open app then dnd must be actually installed and working huh. Hence after all of this !!!!!!!!!, I think that gnome just doesn't quite do this yet. But I still want to stick with it. I think it's very cool. Any further comments/info from anybody on this topic very welcome. Thanks again!:) Paul. Paul. Bureau Of Meteorology Australia. -- From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 1604 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 02:10:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 02:10:10 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07154 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:10:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA00170; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:18:25 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:18:25 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Paul Seymour cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Help PLEASE! In-Reply-To: <37AE3272.75879F89@bom.gov.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII First of all, gtk does not use an external drag and drop library. The DnD code is included. As for toy-lettes, there is the g-print one, which allows you to drag files to a printer icon on the desktop to print them. I was saying that it may be possible to write a simple one that starts the appropriate program. Of course, isn't it easier to double click on a file rather than drag it to an app icon? You can also set a command used to edit the file, which can be chosen from the context menu. You can configure this behaviour from the mime properties capplet. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Paul Seymour wrote: > RE: drag and drop problem. > > > Hi all, > and in reply to Bidemi and James, > Firstly thankyou for your help. It was a great help. > > James wrote: > >Your problem is mainly with gmc (the file manager that controls the > >desktop icons). I don't know if GMC currently supports making an icon > >into a drag destination. > > This I think is the main point. Unless anyone can let us know > otherwise??? > I think that it's probably just not yet supported to have an icon (I > had a > shortcut icon on the desktop to the gnome editor) that you can drag and > drop a file to and have it launch with the file in it. ie have the > shortcut as > the drag destination. I 'm thinking this is probably not currently > supported > like James has suggested. But when I do this action I get no error > messages, > a small flurry of disk activity and gmc seems to flash and dance a bit > as if > it's about to do something, but then nothing. > > > >This is probably possible with a toy-lette > >(great name, by the way), but I don't know how easy it would be to > >configure this. > > James, what is this? Can you tell me where to get this. I'll try it. > (unless of course this is a joke, with a name like this!?:) > > >A number of the applications allow you to drag files to the actual > >application window to load a file. You could try this as well. > > Yes this works. And always did. I guess this is great enough for now. > thanks! > But other window managers let you drop straight onto the icon shortcut. > Rather than run the shortcut to a window first. I would guess that it > wouldn't > be too complicted to remove this extra step? Why need it. Just drop > straight > on the shortcut. I would like to make a suggestion that this > functionality be > made available in the future. Unless there is some reason that it is > really > complicated to do so. Make sense yes? Even windozzze does it. Thats part > > of the beauty of having the shortcuts in the desktop. The concept is our > > gift from the Mac os. > > > Thankyou also Bidemi: In reply: > Mine is a FreeBSD box. I have compiled the whole of gnome from the > bsd ports skeleton. There were a few hiccups that I did Kludge my way > through, (yes I confess!!!:) but they were only in applets I'm not > using. > > To be sure I reinstalled the dnd, drag and drop library. I then > recompiled > the filemanager gmc. But no difference. I wonder perhaps I need to > recompile > the panel also. ??? I 'm not sure. But it was still the same. Didn't > work to drop > on shortcut. However the fact that drag and drop does and has always > worked > to drop on an open application suggests I guess that the drag and drop > is working > it's just that drop to shortcut is not yet implemented. I can't imagine > that it would > be more than a step away but I'm not the developer so I don't know. > Perhaps > there is a good reason. Or perhaps now with the dnd library new install > I need to > reinstall the whole of gnome, so that bin's can relink? Also I went to > "www. > gnome.org for the list of libraries and utilities that you need to have > installed in order" > but I couldn't find where this list of order of compilation was. And I > want it! > If anyone can give me a complete URL i'd be grateful. > > Anyway I think relinking everything is probably not needed as before, > although > dnd didn't register as one of my installed packages explicitly I think > that the bsd > port installed it as a matter of course because I saw the dates for the > dnd port > directory had been touched at install time. The files from hear have > been cleaned > out since though. Besides if it drag and drops to the open app then dnd > must be > actually installed and working huh. > > Hence after all of this !!!!!!!!!, I think that gnome just doesn't quite > do this yet. > > But I still want to stick with it. I think it's very cool. > > Any further comments/info from anybody on this topic very welcome. > > > > Thanks again!:) > Paul. > > > > > Paul. > Bureau Of Meteorology Australia. > > > > -- > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From pts@shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 4730 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 02:13:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 02:13:36 -0000 Received: from shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU (shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU [134.178.6.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07557 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 22:13:34 -0400 Received: from bom.gov.au (pts@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU with ESMTP (8.7.6/8.7.1) id CAA27493; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 02:13:32 GMT Sender: pts@shower.ho.BoM.GOV.AU Message-ID: <37AE394B.92665F73@bom.gov.au> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 12:13:32 +1000 From: Paul Seymour Organization: National Climate Centre X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; HP-UX B.10.20 9000/869) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org CC: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca, james@daa.com.au Subject: Re: Help PLEASE! Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------E5BA1F68B1F625651090BA52" --------------E5BA1F68B1F625651090BA52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit sorry to repost this long one but netscape screwed my formatting! RE: drag and drop problem. Hi all, and in reply to Bidemi and James, Firstly thankyou for your help. It was a great help. James wrote: >Your problem is mainly with gmc (the file manager that controls the >desktop icons). I don't know if GMC currently supports making an icon >into a drag destination. This I think is the main point. Unless anyone can let us know otherwise??? I think that it's probably just not yet supported to have an icon (I had a shortcut icon on the desktop to the gnome editor) that you can drag and drop a file to and have it launch with the file in it. ie have the shortcut as the drag destination. I 'm thinking this is probably not currently supported like James has suggested. But when I do this action I get no error messages, a small flurry of disk activity and gmc seems to flash and dance a bit as if it's about to do something, but then nothing. >This is probably possible with a toy-lette >(great name, by the way), but I don't know how easy it would be to >configure this. James, what is this? Can you tell me where to get this. I'll try it. (unless of course this is a joke, with a name like this!?:) >A number of the applications allow you to drag files to the actual >application window to load a file. You could try this as well. Yes this works. And always did. I guess this is great enough for now. thanks! But other window managers let you drop straight onto the icon shortcut. Rather than run the shortcut to a window first. I would guess that it wouldn't be too complicted to remove this extra step? Why need it. Just drop straight on the shortcut. I would like to make a suggestion that this functionality be made available in the future. Unless there is some reason that it is really complicated to do so. Make sense yes? Even windozzze does it. Thats part of the beauty of having the shortcuts in the desktop. The concept is our gift from the Mac os. Thankyou also Bidemi: In reply: Mine is a FreeBSD box. I have compiled the whole of gnome from the bsd ports skeleton. There were a few hiccups that I did Kludge my way through, (yes I confess!!!:) but they were only in applets I'm not using. To be sure I reinstalled the dnd, drag and drop library. I then recompiled the filemanager gmc. But no difference. I wonder perhaps I need to recompile the panel also. ??? I 'm not sure. But it was still the same. Didn't work to drop on shortcut. However the fact that drag and drop does and has always worked to drop on an open application suggests I guess that the drag and drop is working and it's just that drop to shortcut is not yet implemented. I can't imagine that it would be more than a step away but I'm not the developer so I don't know. Perhaps there is a good reason. Or perhaps now with the dnd library new install I need to reinstall the whole of gnome, so that bin's can relink? Also I went to "www. gnome.org for the list of libraries and utilities that you need to have installed in order" but I couldn't find where this list of order of compilation was. And I want it! If anyone can give me a complete URL i'd be grateful. Anyway I think relinking everything is probably not needed as before, although dnd didn't register as one of my installed packages explicitly I think that the bsd port installed it as a matter of course because I saw the dates for the dnd port directory had been touched at install time. The files from hear have been cleaned out since though. Besides if it drag and drops to the open app then dnd must be actually installed and working huh. Hence after all of this !!!!!!!!!, I think that gnome just doesn't quite do this yet. But I still want to stick with it. I think it's very cool. Any further comments/info/help from anybody on this topic very welcome. Thanks again!:) Paul. -- ____________________________________________ Disclaimer: All opinions are the author's. Paul (pts@bom.gov.au) National Climate Centre Australian Bureau Of Meteorology ____________________________________________ -- ____________________________________________ Disclaimer: All opinions are the author's. Paul Seymour (pts@bom.gov.au) National Climate Centre Australian Bureau Of Meteorology ____________________________________________ --------------E5BA1F68B1F625651090BA52 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit  
 
sorry to repost this long one but netscape screwed my formatting!
 
 
 
 

RE: drag and drop problem.
 

Hi all,
and in reply to Bidemi and James,
Firstly thankyou for your help. It was a great help.

James wrote:
>Your problem is mainly with gmc (the file manager that controls the
>desktop icons).  I don't know if GMC currently supports making an icon
>into a drag destination.

This I think is the main point. Unless anyone can let us know
otherwise??? I think  that it's probably just not yet supported
to have an icon  (I had a shortcut icon on the desktop to the
gnome editor) that you can drag and drop a file to and have it
launch with the file in it. ie have the shortcut as the drag destination.
I 'm thinking this is probably not currently supported like James has
suggested. But when I do this action I get no error messages, a
small flurry of disk activity and gmc seems to flash and dance a bit
as if it's about to do something, but then nothing.
 

>This is probably possible with a toy-lette
>(great name, by the way), but I don't know how easy it would be to
>configure this.

James, what is this? Can you tell me where to get this. I'll try it.
(unless of course this is a joke, with a name like this!?:)

>A number of the applications allow you to drag files to the actual
>application window to load a file.  You could try this as well.

Yes this works. And always did. I guess this is great enough for now.
thanks! But other window managers let you drop straight onto the icon
shortcut. Rather than run the shortcut to a window first. I would guess
that it wouldn't be too complicted to remove this extra step? Why need it.
Just drop straight on the shortcut. I would like to make a suggestion that
this functionality be made available in the future. Unless there is some
reason that it is really complicated to do so. Make sense yes? Even
windozzze does it. Thats part of the beauty of having the shortcuts in
the desktop. The concept is our gift from the Mac os.
 

Thankyou also Bidemi: In reply:
Mine is a FreeBSD box. I have compiled the whole of gnome from the
bsd ports skeleton. There were a few hiccups that I did Kludge my way
through, (yes I confess!!!:) but they were only in applets I'm not using.

To be sure I reinstalled the dnd, drag and drop library. I then recompiled
the filemanager gmc. But no difference. I wonder perhaps I need to recompile
the panel also. ??? I 'm not sure. But it was still the same. Didn't work to drop
on shortcut. However the fact that drag and drop does and has always worked
to drop on an open application suggests I guess that the drag and drop is working and
it's just that drop to shortcut is not yet implemented. I can't imagine that it would
be more than a step away but I'm not the developer so I don't know. Perhaps
there is a good reason. Or perhaps now with the dnd library new install I need to
reinstall the whole of gnome, so that bin's can relink?

Also I went to "www. gnome.org for the list of libraries and utilities that you need
to have installed in order" but I couldn't find where this list of order of compilation was.
And I want it! If anyone can give me a complete URL i'd  be grateful.

Anyway I think relinking everything is probably not needed as before, although
dnd didn't register as one of my installed packages explicitly I think that the bsd
port installed it as a matter of course because I saw the dates for the dnd port
directory had been touched at install time. The files from hear have been cleaned
out since though. Besides if it drag and drops to the open app then dnd must be
actually installed and working huh.

Hence after all of this !!!!!!!!!, I think that gnome just doesn't quite do this yet.

But I still want to stick with it. I think it's very cool.

Any further comments/info/help from anybody on this topic very welcome.
 
 

Thanks again!:)
Paul.
 
 
 
 

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____________________________________________

Disclaimer: All opinions are the author's.

Paul       (pts@bom.gov.au)
National Climate Centre
Australian Bureau Of Meteorology
____________________________________________
 
  

-- 
____________________________________________

Disclaimer: All opinions are the author's.

Paul Seymour        (pts@bom.gov.au)
National Climate Centre
Australian Bureau Of Meteorology
____________________________________________
 
 
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit apologies for the OT post but, I can't seem to find documentation on removing enlightenments pagers from my desktop. The e-mac theme has it's own pager and I can't get rid of this one either. can someone help? From MStearne@eisolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 13375 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 04:18:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 04:18:09 -0000 Received: from mail.webcombo.net (root@mail.webcombo.net [207.250.9.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA19776 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:18:08 -0400 Received: from eisolutions.com (PPPa47-ResaleCamden1-3R1060.saturn.bbn.com [4.16.120.154]) by mail.webcombo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA30044; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:14:59 -0500 Message-ID: <37AE56B3.1031A8E0@eisolutions.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:18:59 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Per Erik Stendahl CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Well, maybe a "stop-using" droptarget would've been better... :-) > > -- Or make it an "EXIT" sign instead of a Trash Can. "Put something in here if you want it out,gone,deleted,ejected,removed... from the computer".:-) Michael From eldamitri@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 28166 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 04:36:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (f18.law3.hotmail.com [209.185.241.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA22102 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:36:42 -0400 Received: (qmail 94788 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 04:36:11 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809043611.94787.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 128.252.61.98 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 21:35:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [128.252.61.98] From: "Scott Haug" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: how to play audio cd Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:35:07 CDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Tom Gilbert writes on Sat, 7 Aug 1999 22:26: > >* Scott Haug (eldamitri@hotmail.com) [990805 17:45]: > > It isn't a gnome issue, but strangely enough this was dealt with on this > > list about a week or so ago. You can follow the thread here. > > > > >http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-list/1999-July/0782.shtml > > > > To diagnose the problem, we need to know more. First of all, can you >get > > cd's to play with your hardware set up at all? Do you dual boot to >windows > > and, if so, does it work there? What type of soundcard do you have? >What > > sound driver are you using (OSS or ALSA)? As the other poster >mentioned, > > have you checked your hardware connections and volume levels in a mixer > > application? > > > > I have similar problems with my linux system. My soundcard is an >Ensoniq > > AudioPCI, and I was told that it is likely a driver issue. The OSS >drivers > > (at least the one's that come with the kernel) are broken WRT cd audio, >but > > that the ALSA drivers work. Unfortunately, I haven't had time to >install > > the ALSA drivers yet, so I can't comment on whether or not that fixed my > > problem. > > > > Good luck! > > > > -Scott > Hi, Tom, >Audio cd stuff has nothing to do with soundcard drivers! You know, Tom, I would have agreed with you before I ran into this problem. But my experience suggests otherwise. > >btw, I have the same soundcard as you, and have no driver problems at >all. What kernel are you using? Kernels 2.2+ all come with a built in >driver for this. All it took me was one click in make xconfig to >enable my soundcard. No configuration/modules/fiddling necessary... > >Tom. Interesting. I'm using 2.2.5. I had been using the included kernel sound drivers, and everything worked great save for the cd audio. I installed the sound drivers as modules, so I guess I had only slightly more configuration than you. But otherwise, they worked great. I have no idea why the cd audio didn't work. As mentioned in one of my previous posts, cd audio worked fine in Windows, so I was confident that the physical connections weren't the issue. In Linux, I checked to make sure that my cd audio wasn't muted and that the volume was turned up on all possible inputs. Running apps like gtcd was definitely controlling the cd player correctly---if I plugged in headphones to the cdrom headphone jack, I could listen to cd's using gtcd to control playing, stopping, pausing, etc. The cddb feature looked up the cd information correctly. Just no audio through the soundcard. That is, until I installed the alsa drivers. Since I had installed the original drivers as modules, switching was a relatively painless process. Now everything works *including* cd audio. Count me as a satisfied alsa customer. Wrong mailing list, but would anyone care to offer an explanation of why they think installing different sound drivers would affect cd audio through the sound card, when there are those (like Tom) that adamently claim they should have no effect? I'm at a loss, except to say that they definitely made a difference for me. And I'm not the only one---others have written me claiming success in getting cd audio to work for their Ensoniq AudioPCI 1370 soundcard solely by switching to the alsa drivers. -Scott >-- > .-------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From MStearne@eisolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 5786 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 04:45:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 04:45:56 -0000 Received: from mail.webcombo.net (root@mail.webcombo.net [207.250.9.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA23242 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:45:56 -0400 Received: from eisolutions.com (PPPa47-ResaleCamden1-3R1060.saturn.bbn.com [4.16.120.154]) by mail.webcombo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA00488; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 23:42:36 -0500 Message-ID: <37AE5D28.6C4DC4DE@eisolutions.com> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 00:46:32 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > The way Windows does it IS wrong as you can see. Nothing else. A blue screen for anything of obviously wrong, I don't even like the blue screen for a Linux install. > > Before you can drive a car you have to learn the traffic rules. We learn traffic rules for the common good because a car is a potentially deadly instrument. This is a computer that runs Netscape and WordPerfect. I shouldn't be able to kill anyone by ejecting my CD at the wrong time. Traffic rules are more like a protocol between computers, the operation of a car is much less complex than the traffic rules. > > Before I open the CDROM I have to learn to umount them Why do I have to learn umount? Why can't I just drag it somewhere, say "Eject CD" to my computer or press the eject button. It's our responsibility as developers to hide things like umount and autofs from end-users. I can always pull a console up if I want to type commands, Bill says pointing and clicking is more fun. > > Nothing more. Nothing Less. ;-) Michael From kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 4653 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 05:33:36 -0000 Received: from rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (root@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl [153.19.42.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA27829 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 01:33:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (kloczek@localhost) by rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA27352; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:33:21 +0200 Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:33:20 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= To: Rob Lesan cc: James Green , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: [Suggestion] Formatting in GMC In-Reply-To: <19990808174700.C2324@osu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Sun, 8 Aug 1999, Rob Lesan wrote: > This idea doesn't seem that far fetched to me. Seems like formatting a > floppy disk would be a task a "normal" user might expect the file > manager to do. It doesn't mean you have to kill the modular structure > of unix -- just include a menu that would call fdformat or whatever. > Whether the user has to be root or just a member of the floppy group in > order to create the filesystem on the floppy disk can be left up to the > distribution/sysadmin. In this sense .. OK. kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie mają problemów, tylko sobie sami je stwarzają* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz Kłoczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From jls.is@alumne.etse.urv.es Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 15216 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 08:35:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 08:35:35 -0000 Received: from alumne.etse.urv.es (alumne.etse.urv.es [193.144.18.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA15532 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:35:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (jls.is@localhost) by alumne.etse.urv.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13802 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:35:24 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:35:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Koko To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: libintl not found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm using Gnome at work (Debian 2.1) using the release 1.05 (from a CD-ROM) and runs ok, but this weekend I had tried to install it at home and when I try to run any app I had the message that the dynamically linked libintl is not found in my system (The same message with the Enlightenment 0.15). I tried to find this library and I only found the libintl.h in the include directory (/usr/include). The problem and the increible is that when I arrive at work today I found the same library and I haven't it in the linux box that runs ok with the gnome and the enlightenment 0.15!! What comes wrong?? I'm sure that it will be something obviously but I can't understand it. In the two boxes I'm using Debian 2.1 and gnome-1.0.5 with enlightenment 0.15 (....or trying to use it....) :-( Please, help me.... TIA. From jls.is@alumne.etse.urv.es Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 18743 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 08:39:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 08:39:48 -0000 Received: from alumne.etse.urv.es (alumne.etse.urv.es [193.144.18.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA15969 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:39:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (jls.is@localhost) by alumne.etse.urv.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13821 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:39:15 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 10:39:15 +0200 (MET DST) From: Koko To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: libintl not found Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I'm using Gnome at work (Debian 2.1) using the release 1.05 (from a CD-ROM) and runs ok, but this weekend I had tried to install it at home and when I try to run any app I had the message that the dynamically linked libintl is not found in my system (The same message with the Enlightenment 0.15). I tried to find this library and I only found the libintl.h in the include directory (/usr/include). The problem and the increible is that when I arrive at work today I found the same library and I haven't it in the linux box that runs ok with the gnome and the enlightenment 0.15!! What comes wrong?? I'm sure that it will be something obviously but I can't understand it. In the two boxes I'm using Debian 2.1 and gnome-1.0.5 with enlightenment 0.15 (....or trying to use it....) :-( Please, help me.... TIA. From shomer@fmco.com Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 27785 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 09:33:10 -0000 Received: from CHARON.TORONTO.FMCO.COM (charon2.fmco.com [199.85.124.141]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA22093 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 05:33:10 -0400 Received: id EAA21675; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 04:34:11 -0400 Received: by gateway id ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 05:30:13 -0400 Message-ID: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD3A3735@arthur.london.fmco.com> From: Steve Homer To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 05:29:54 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Okay I'm gonna get flamed with all the problems this would entail (but argument is the spice of life sooo....) Why not encourage that all gnome components are built using Libglade and runtime XML interface definitions? By holding these those definitions in some kind of repository with a thematic bent you could a) Ensure consistency across user interfaces. b) Implement guru/novice modes (if that's your thing, I personally don't like the idea) c) Encourage a certain Darwinisitic evolution into the UI's of the various components. d) Let the individual choose the size of the buttons (etc) they wish to use. e) Take themeability to a new level (this would probably result in some really daft interfaces, but hey choice is choice) f) Be cool. The problems with this as I see them are. a) Encouraging individuals to reimplement there UI's using Libglade. b) Is libglade powerful enough to do this yet? c) A slight (repeat slight) initial runtime penalty. d) gnome-list drowned in people due to the number of converts from other desktop projects.... Discuss. -----Original Message----- From: mawarkus@t-online.de [mailto:mawarkus@t-online.de] Sent: 06 August 1999 17:49 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: "recipient.list.not.shown" Subject: Re: White Space (Re: UI suggestion: gnome-dock) +++ Sat, Aug 07, 1999 at 12:38:00AM +0800 +++ James Henstridge e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > If you do not want text+icons in the toolbar buttons, just change your > preferences in the control center (it should be under user interface > options, application defaults). As for excessive white space, this is a > little harder to fix (and quite a subjective criticism -- I think the > spaced out GUI looks quite nice personally). So do I. Big buttons and big icons are easier to hit with the mouse anyway. mawa -- - Guten Tag, mein Name ist Greiser, von der Hamburg-Alzheimer. Ich wollte Ihnen etwas verkaufen... hm... - Eine Lebensversicherung? - Richtig, eine Lebensversicherung. Welcher Tag ist heute eigentlich? -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 18916 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 10:03:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 10:03:35 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25437; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 06:03:25 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA05836; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:11:57 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:11:57 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Gnome List cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: pygtk-0.6.2 and gnome-python-1.0.4 (finally :) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have finally got round to releasing pygtk and gnome-python. You probably already know what is new, but if not, here are the major points: - fixed threading support (thanks to Matt Wilson and Paul Fisher). - A pygtk.h header file to make it easier to write wrappers for other add on widgets. - Wrappers for GtkGLArea and libglade. To actually make use of the GtkGLArea widget, you will need an OpenGL binding for python, such as PyOpenGL. There are some examples of its use in examples/gl (there is a port of the Mesa gears example in that directory, among others). - NumPy support in GdkImlib. You can create an image object from a MxNx3 numpy array, and get numpy array representing the data in an image object, which you can manipulate. This code is based on stuff sent in by Travis Oliphant. - Support for gdkrgb, so you can draw rgb and greyscale data to a drawable. I have also added a numpy array variant called draw_array. It accepts unsigned byte arrays of the following forms: + MxN or MxNx1: treated as greyscale data. + MxNx3 or MxNx4: treated as RGB data. The numpy wrapper will also work with some non contiguous arrays, such as arr[a:b, c:d, :] (sliced along first two axes). - methods for the GdkWindow object for setting and reading properties. Also, GdkWindows now have an xid attribute which can be used to get the X window ID of the window. - You can now pass extra parameters to idle and timeout functions, like you can for signal handlers. There is a gtk_signal_connect variant in pygtk that is similar to gtk_signal_connect_object as well now. Gnome-python mainly contains bug fixes rather than new features. You can get the new release at ftp://ftp.daa.com.au/pub/james/python/ ftp://ftp.python.org/pub.contrib/Graphics/ (should be there soon) ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/latest/ (gnome-python only) ftp://ftp.gtk.org/pub/gtk/python/ (pygtk only -- not uploaded yet) Remember to report any bugs you find. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:27 2000 Received: (qmail 7238 invoked from network); 9 Aug 1999 11:06:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 9 Aug 1999 11:06:23 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA00101; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 07:06:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA06156; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:14:57 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:14:57 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Gnome List cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: libglade-0.3 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have just made a new release of libglade. The new version is available at: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/latest/ ftp://ftp.daa.com.au/pub/james/gnome/ (if possible, use a GNOME mirror) Libglade is a library that allows programs to load the XML files created by the GLADE user interface builder at runtime, rather than generating code and compiling the interface into the program. It allows you to change the interface on a program without compiling for instance. New in this version is: - New XML parser that uses libxml's SAX like API. This means that libglade's internal structures are smaller, so take up less memory. It also seems to be a bit faster as well. - Since the internal structures have been optimised a bit, they are easier for the widget building routines to walk, and less dynamic memory allocation occurs during this process. This gives a bit more of a speed increase. - More support for gnome widgets, in line with the improvements in GLADE. - Support for underline accelerators on menu items and also on GtkButton derivatives (normal, toggle, check and radio buttons). - Improved keyboard accelerator support overall. - Support for `local styles' (

One improvement I would love to see is = to make=20 gnome more integrated with sound.
 
For example, I have a Compaq computer, = with the=20 volume buttons on the keyboard... all volume control is software=20 controlled.  Windoze starts up the sound mixer when it boots, and = the=20 volume buttons control that.  If gnome started its own built-in = sound=20 mixer, and then could be set up so certain keyboard controls operated it = (besides opening up another mixer program and doing it the old fashioned = way)=20 life would be a lot easier for me and all the idiots who bought = Compaqs. =20 Right now, if I forget to open a mixer before using any sound, sound = plays at=20 the default level which makes me go deaf for 5 minutes.
 
I don't know if X11 would have to be = modified for=20 this to work, however.  When I run xev, pressing the colume = controls (or=20 the CD controls, or internet access controls) doesn't register an = event. =20 Perhaps X11 itself should have an integrated mixer, but that's off=20 topic.
 
I'm not good at getting involved, but = if any of you=20 could give me some pointers on how to do either of the above, let me = know. =20 I'll at least make an attempt.
 
Sean = Middleditch
------=_NextPart_000_0016_01BEE3F9.EE4C6B20-- From miked@kerneltech.com Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 19428 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 19:52:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 19:52:58 -0000 Received: from dexter.cg.sfl.net (dexter.cg.sfl.net [139.142.133.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA14349 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:52:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 15752 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 19:52:29 -0000 Received: from h139-142-242-245.cg.fiberone.net (HELO kerneltech.com) (139.142.242.245) by dexter.cg.sfl.net with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 19:52:29 -0000 Message-ID: <37B1D554.C4663F3C@kerneltech.com> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:56:05 -0600 From: Michael Dennis X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win95; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount References: <37AB216D.641F5755@EISolutions.com> <37AEEECC.B6CDF2DF@kerneltech.com> <19990809181926.B1346@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <37B193A3.682C0290@kerneltech.com> <19990811163140.H13968@insigma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Aylett wrote: > On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 09:15:47AM -0600, Michael Dennis wrote: > > [Snip: Tom Gilbert's explanation] > > So what you are saying is that root utilities such as software installation > > should only be done via command line? > > I don't think anyone's saying this; however they _are_ saying that it's (a) > difficult, and (b) inadvisable, to have a system whereby a normal user can > run an installation program, have it prompt them for a root password, and > then go on. > > Apologies if you already know the following ... > > Basically, the problem is that in order for this to happen, you have to have > a program somewhere that is setuid root. Try this: > > $ ls -l `which su` > -rwsr-xr-x 1 root root 9512 Jun 2 14:59 /bin/su > > The 's' means that when run, /bin/su runs as root (which it needs to be able > to do to do its job). However this is a potential security hole - anything > that automatically runs as root, no matter which user invokes it, has the > potential, if it has a certain type of bug in it, to enable _any_ user to > run _any_ command as root - this is clearly a security problem. > > In order to get a graphical prompt asking for a password, practically > speaking, needs a graphical program somewhere to be setuid root. While it's > fairly easy to audit /bin/su to make sure it's secure (since it's not a very > complex program), but graphical programs are always more complex and so it's > much harder to check them. > > In particular, none of the GNOME libraries, as I understand it, have been > audited for security, so if someone wrote a nice GNOME root-password-box > thing, virtually everything it calls would have to be audited, which would > take quite a while :-( > > > Maybe a su version of a graphical RPM installer which prompts you for your > > root password would be nice? > > It might be, but it's a risk. There's a possibility someone can come up with > a smart way of using su (or, more likely, something like sudo/fakeroot, > which are designed to allow ordinary users to securely run other programs as > root without those other programs needing to be setuid root) to allow this, > of course. It's still got security issues, because the password as you type > in will be pushed around at the very least the local system, which can be > vulnerable ... > > Cheers, > James > > -- > /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org > james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org I agree that we don't want to sacrifice Linux security for ease of use, but maybe someone could come up with a creative way to deal with both. My ideas obviously don't cover every base but maybe they can stimulate some thought on something that I think is a bit tricky for a novice user and that they commonly need to do. Mike. From Zombie_97@kanaka.net Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 26211 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 20:14:01 -0000 Received: from c008.sfo.cp.net (c008-h010.c008.sfo.cp.net [209.228.14.209]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA15324 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:14:01 -0400 Received: (cpmta 2604 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 13:13:55 -0700 Date: 11 Aug 1999 13:13:55 -0700 Message-ID: <19990811201355.2603.cpmta@c008.sfo.cp.net> X-Sent: 11 Aug 1999 20:13:55 GMT Received: from [192.55.23.50] by mail.kanaka.net with HTTP; 11 Aug 1999 13:13:55 PDT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 To: sean.middleditch@iname.com From: Zombie_97 Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: Web Mail 3.0 Subject: Re: Sound X-Sent-From: tyler@kanaka.net Speaking of sound.. Is there anyone who is running a thinkpad 600? If anyone out there is running linux on their thinkpad 600 do you have your sound working? If so how? On Wed, 11 August 1999, "Sean Middleditch" wrote: > > One improvement I would love to see is to make gnome more integrated with sound. > > > > For example, I have a Compaq computer, with the volume buttons on the keyboard... all volume control is software controlled. Windoze starts up the sound mixer when it boots, and the volume buttons control that. If gnome started its own built-in sound mixer, and then could be set up so certain keyboard controls operated it (besides opening up another mixer program and doing it the old fashioned way) life would be a lot easier for me and all the idiots who bought Compaqs. Right now, if I forget to open a mixer before using any sound, sound plays at the default level which makes me go deaf for 5 minutes. > > > > I don't know if X11 would have to be modified for this to work, however. When I run xev, pressing the colume controls (or the CD controls, or internet access controls) doesn't register an event. Perhaps X11 itself should have an integrated mixer, but that's off topic. > > > > I'm not good at getting involved, but if any of you could give me some pointers on how to do either of the above, let me know. I'll at least make an attempt. > > > > Sean Middleditch From norman@arcady.u-net.com Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 26878 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 20:14:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 20:14:12 -0000 Received: from mserv1c.u-net.net (mserv1c.u-net.net [195.102.240.33]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15329 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:14:12 -0400 Received: from p111.nas3.is3.u-net.net ([195.102.197.111] helo=arcady.u-net.com) by mserv1c.u-net.net with esmtp (Exim 2.10 #34) id 11Efey-0001bq-00; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:11:44 +0000 Received: from arcady.u-net.com (arcady.u-net.com [127.0.0.2]) by arcady.u-net.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id SAA00652; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:25:30 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:25:29 +0100 (BST) From: Norman Stevens To: Federico Mena Quintero cc: gnome list Subject: Re: Patch for gnome-icon-list In-Reply-To: <199908111544.LAA01784@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > > At some point the definition of the GnomeIconListClass was changed > > to use a private data structure. This left applications using > > that structure no means of retrieving values such as the icon width, > > spacing, and separator text. The following patch introduces access > > functions for the now private data. > [snip] > > At this point we cannot add new functions to gnome-libs, since it > would break forwards compatibility. However, if any applications were > using fields in the GnomeIconList structure that are now private > fields, they need to be reverted to remain source and binary > compatible. > > Could you please tell me which applications use which fields and don't > work now? > I was trying to compile gtk--. The icon list class in gtk--/gnome--/gnome--/icon-list.cc doesn't compile because it needs access to these fields for a copy function. Norman From tez@interface.on.ca Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 13255 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 20:36:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 20:36:44 -0000 Received: from athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (root@athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.216.94]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA17557 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:36:35 -0400 Received: from london.interface.on.ca (london.interface.on.ca [24.112.213.14]) by athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05953 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:36:45 -0400 Received: from interface.on.ca (tezmilan@milan.interface.on.ca [192.168.0.1]) by london.interface.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA04672 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:36:42 -0400 Message-ID: <37B1DF43.B1D63543@interface.on.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:38:27 -0400 From: Terry Milnes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Useability-root window desktop References: <37AF09B2.A50CD715@toward.com> <37AF1585.99ABB867@email.com> <37B14F6A.27247604@toward.com> <004b01bee3ef$bdd081c0$eec2a4c2@webtribe.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, bear with me I am new to the list, (don't know if this thread has ran too long...)in fact new to Gnome as well. Anyway, I have ran other desktop managers over the years and have used utilities as root while logged in as non root to Xwindows. I wanted to make sure it was do-able in Gnome before I posted though, yeah it is. I use sudo, and then set up my programs that need to be ran as root with "sudo -u root program". I write shell scripts for the programs that will pop up a term for the password verification which will execute the command as root on a successful response. This way I can group all the programs that are executed as root. Terry... Iain wrote: > > > I am no more likely to execute a command that will erase my > > entire > > system in a root window desktop than I would be to do so in a > > terminal. > > It's surprisingly easy to do actually. > > > I find fault with the logic of insisting that all > > potentially dangerous system commands be done exclusively in a > > terminal, especially when that insistence takes place in a *gnome > > discussion group* ??????????. > > > It is also because at this time there is no secure way of switching > gnome to be a superuser without running the whole desktop as root, which as > many people have pointed out is a bad thing, even if you don't accept it. > > > IMHO, it would be better if, after entering `root' in the dialog > > and before completing password entry, > > What about if you run from terminal? > Iain > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- "Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity" From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 17706 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 20:40:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 20:40:40 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA18234 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:40:39 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA11041 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:40:37 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24105 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:40:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199908112040.QAA24105@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:56:05 MDT." <37B1D554.C4663F3C@kerneltech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:40:34 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Michael Dennis writes: >I agree that we don't want to sacrifice Linux security for ease of use, but maybe >someone could come up with a creative way to deal with both. My ideas obviously >don't cover every base but maybe they can stimulate some thought on something >that I think is a bit tricky for a novice user and that they commonly need to do. I think I'm going to create a cron job to post this to gnome-list every day... I have posted this text before; those who have read it can quit now. In Red Hat Linux, we have a tool which other distributions could easily pick up as long as they have PAM. It is a small wrapper package that has a non-setuid gui part and a tiny setuid non-gui part that tells the gui part what to display and gets input back from the gui part. In addition, the fact that it uses PAM means that it can be used for nearly arbitrary kinds of authentication. It *also* happens to work essentially transparently -- the calling application would run, say, /usr/bin/foo, which would authenticate the user, then run /usr/sbin/foo. What's nice is that this can be set up to ask for passwords, or demand passwords only if the user is not at the system console, or *however the sysadmin wants it to be set up on a per-machine AND per-application basis*. I can improve the wrapper as needed to meet new needs better; I know of one improvement I need already... michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From tez@interface.on.ca Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 23924 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 21:16:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 21:16:01 -0000 Received: from athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (root@athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.216.94]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA23927 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:16:00 -0400 Received: from london.interface.on.ca (london.interface.on.ca [24.112.213.14]) by athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA06114; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:16:23 -0400 Received: from interface.on.ca (tezmilan@milan.interface.on.ca [192.168.0.1]) by london.interface.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04691; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:16:20 -0400 Message-ID: <37B1E88B.E77F56FD@interface.on.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:18:03 -0400 From: Terry Milnes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael K. Johnson" CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount References: <199908112040.QAA24105@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cool, so what's this tool called? > > In Red Hat Linux, we have a tool which other distributions could > easily pick up as long as they have PAM. It is a small wrapper > package that has a non-setuid gui part and a tiny setuid non-gui > part that tells the gui part what to display and gets input back > from the gui part. In addition, the fact that it uses PAM means -- "Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity" From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 30207 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 21:20:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 21:20:56 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA24686; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:20:51 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Efnk-000ECD-0K; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:20:49 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA11590; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:20:02 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:20:02 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Tomas Ogren cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: anoncvs In-Reply-To: <19990811135845.A1575@thelma.ing.umu.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Tomas Ogren wrote: > On 11 August, 1999 - James Green sent me these 0,5K bytes: > > > Hi, > > > > Am I right in thinking that anoncvs.gnome.org is hosed? I can login using > > anonymous, but then up ops only send data, they never seem to bring down > > the latest versions. I checked out initially on Sunday OK. > > anoncvs.gnome.org is 3 machines (of which I run one). Which one is > causing the problems? > > Name: anoncvs.gnome.org > Addresses: 209.81.8.253, 130.239.18.151, 207.200.73.38 > > cvsonopn.varesearch.com (dns seems fsck'd): Doesn't respond (maybe it's > part of the breakdown they had) > farbror.acc.umu.se: should work > h-207-200-73-38.netscape.com: seems to work Dunno. I set CVSROOT to be :pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome then do cvs login, hit return on this: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs login (Logging in to anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org) CVS password: And then I mostly get nothing. I can hit Ctrl-c and quit it, then re-do it and get in. Then I do: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 up ORBit at which point my SD light flickers a bit, then it's all stop. I can wait x number of minutes but nothing happens. Same happens with: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd ORBit I have to Ctrl-c to abort. I can confirm that the link is active - web/e-mail works fine. This has been happening for the past three days, over many hours. I just tried CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@farbror.acc.umu.se:/cvs/gnome [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd ORBit and I get stuff like: cvs update: move away ORBit/src/orbit-idl-compiler/backends/c/orbit-idl-c-skelimpl.c; it is in the way For all the module files in all modules. I originally co'ed with anoncvs.gnome.org. Any ideas? RH6, [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ rpm -q cvs cvs-1.10.5-2 -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 11622 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 21:31:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 21:31:37 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA26470 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:31:37 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA12426 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:31:36 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00910 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:31:35 -0400 Message-Id: <199908112131.RAA00910@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:18:03 EDT." <37B1E88B.E77F56FD@interface.on.ca> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:31:35 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Terry Milnes writes: >Cool, so what's this tool called? Hmm, good point! I'll add that to my daily posting. ;-) It is comprised of several programs that are collected in the usermode package. It includes programs that take advantage of the multiprocess architecture for keeping the gtk part in a non-priviliged process, including changing password and GECOS information, etc. I wrote a white paper that includes information on setting this up with pam; it's at http://www.redhat.com/knowledgebase/newpam/ michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From brtaylor@inreach.com Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 18363 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 22:01:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 22:01:59 -0000 Received: from smtp.inreach.com ([209.142.0.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA31703 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:01:58 -0400 Received: from ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us (IDENT:root@209-209-67-76.la.inreach.net [209.209.67.76]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA08979 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:47:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us (brtaylor@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24220 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:55:27 -0700 Message-Id: <199908112155.OAA24220@ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 From: Bob Taylor To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:15:47 MDT." <37B193A3.682C0290@kerneltech.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:55:27 -0700 Sender: brtaylor@inreach.com In message <37B193A3.682C0290@kerneltech.com>, Michael Dennis writes: [snip] > So what you are saying is that root utilities such as software installation s >hould > only be done via command line? Considering the amount of software you have t >o > install in Linux (things are constantly changing and needing updating) I thin >k it > would be nice to be able to install your software from the GUI without going > through a terminal. Maybe a su version of a graphical RPM installer which pr >ompts > you for your root password would be nice? > > Anyways thanks for the su tip. It definitely is easier than logging out of m >y > user account and X and back in as root (no wonder I was getting frustrated do >ing > it the "brain-dead" way). What I do is log on using my "regular" account, bring up an xterm and su (no - as this keeps my X auth). I then use the command line to start any GUI app I need (XEmacs etc.). If there are any security problems, I am not aware of them. Bob -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bob Taylor Email: brtaylor@inreach.com | |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Gnome certainly is (serious competition to the Mac or Windows) | | ... I get a charge out of seeing the X Window System work the | | way we intended..." - Jim Gettys | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From brtaylor@inreach.com Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 18504 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 22:02:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 22:02:02 -0000 Received: from smtp.inreach.com ([209.142.0.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA31697 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:01:56 -0400 Received: from ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us (IDENT:root@209-209-67-76.la.inreach.net [209.209.67.76]) by smtp.inreach.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA09002 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:47:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us (brtaylor@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24196 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:48:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199908112148.OAA24196@ann.qtpi.lakewood.ca.us> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 From: Bob Taylor To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:40:34 EDT." <199908112040.QAA24105@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:48:07 -0700 Sender: brtaylor@inreach.com In message <199908112040.QAA24105@tristan.devel.redhat.com>, "Michael K. Johnso n" writes: [snip] > In Red Hat Linux, we have a tool which other distributions could > easily pick up as long as they have PAM. It is a small wrapper > package that has a non-setuid gui part and a tiny setuid non-gui > part that tells the gui part what to display and gets input back > from the gui part. In addition, the fact that it uses PAM means > that it can be used for nearly arbitrary kinds of authentication. > It *also* happens to work essentially transparently -- the calling > application would run, say, /usr/bin/foo, which would authenticate > the user, then run /usr/sbin/foo. What's nice is that this can be > set up to ask for passwords, or demand passwords only if the user > is not at the system console, or *however the sysadmin wants it > to be set up on a per-machine AND per-application basis*. I can > improve the wrapper as needed to meet new needs better; I know of > one improvement I need already... Michael, What is the name of this little jewel of a tool? Bob -- +----------------------------------------------------------------+ | Bob Taylor Email: brtaylor@inreach.com | |----------------------------------------------------------------| | Gnome certainly is (serious competition to the Mac or Windows) | | ... I get a charge out of seeing the X Window System work the | | way we intended..." - Jim Gettys | +----------------------------------------------------------------+ From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 24200 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 22:05:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 22:05:41 -0000 Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA32293 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:05:39 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id SAA27240 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:05:13 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from serendipity (hil-qbu-ptg-vty148.as.wcom.net [206.175.103.148]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id SAA27086; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:04:58 -0400 (EDT) To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch for panel -- done better this time References: <19990811152542.A6448@audrey> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 11 Aug 1999 18:15:19 -0400 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:25:42 +0200" Message-ID: <87n1vyt154.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > BTW, last time I've got absolutely no reaction whatsoever to this > patch, has anyone noticed it? The HACKING file tells me to submit > patches to the list though... I more or less added this patch to my local panel tree when you posted it the other day. If I get the config dialogs done then I will make a branch, which will maybe become the 1.1.x panel. So don't worry :) Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From tez@interface.on.ca Fri May 12 00:03:30 2000 Received: (qmail 21659 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 22:31:53 -0000 Received: from athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (root@athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.216.94]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA03934 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:31:52 -0400 Received: from london.interface.on.ca (london.interface.on.ca [24.112.213.14]) by athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA06467; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:32:20 -0400 Received: from interface.on.ca (tezmilan@milan.interface.on.ca [192.168.0.1]) by london.interface.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA04767; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:32:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37B1FA57.178C29E4@interface.on.ca> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:33:59 -0400 From: Terry Milnes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael K. Johnson" CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: PPP, Mount/Unmount References: <199908112131.RAA00910@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael, Thanks a lot, that is really good reading and will give me something new to play with... "Michael K. Johnson" wrote: > > I wrote a white paper that includes information on setting this up with > pam; it's at http://www.redhat.com/knowledgebase/newpam/ > -- "Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity" From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 29456 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 23:11:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 23:11:33 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10003 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:11:18 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EhWb-000MV2-0A; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:11:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA11798; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:10:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:10:28 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Jacob Berkman cc: Matthias Warkus , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Patch for panel -- done better this time In-Reply-To: <87n1vyt154.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 11 Aug 1999, Jacob Berkman wrote: > mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > > > BTW, last time I've got absolutely no reaction whatsoever to this > > patch, has anyone noticed it? The HACKING file tells me to submit > > patches to the list though... > > I more or less added this patch to my local panel tree when you posted > it the other day. If I get the config dialogs done then I will make > a branch, which will maybe become the 1.1.x panel. So don't worry :) IM(very)HO, since this is an end-user graphical feature for completness, this ought to be part of the next gnome-core release. After all, there aren't any major code changes are there to the functionality? Just my thought. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 20081 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 23:31:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 23:31:00 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP41.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12880 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:30:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA03740; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:34:57 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:34:56 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Michael Dennis cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Security in GNOME In-Reply-To: <37B1D554.C4663F3C@kerneltech.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII gnome-utils contains a program called gsu, which at the moment doesn't compile correctly and hasn't been audited for security. Once it has been security audited, then it would be safe to use in applications that would need root access, correct? Cody On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Michael Dennis wrote: > > In particular, none of the GNOME libraries, as I understand it, have been > > audited for security, so if someone wrote a nice GNOME root-password-box > > thing, virtually everything it calls would have to be audited, which would > > take quite a while :-( From nathan@windsofstorm.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 6534 invoked from network); 11 Aug 1999 23:47:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 11 Aug 1999 23:47:43 -0000 Received: from windsofstorm.net (root@sunrise.ici.net [207.180.0.204]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15536 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:47:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (nathan@localhost) by windsofstorm.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id TAA31441 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:04:55 -0500 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:01:20 -0500 (EST) From: Nathan Clemons To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME, Logos [Semi-Offtopic] Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ReSent-Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:04:48 -0500 (EST) ReSent-From: Nathan Clemons ReSent-To: gnome-list@gnome.org ReSent-Subject: GNOME, Logos [Semi-Offtopic] ReSent-Message-ID: I have recently acquired a Linux-based domain name and plan to develop a good website for the community. One of the sections will obviously be about GNOME. Can I get a few volunteers to write a few articles that I could post on it when it is developed enough (a month or two, I'm planning on releasing the site after a server hardware upgrade)? Also, I am planning on having a repository for Linux-related logos. If you have logos or know of webpages with Linux logos that could be copied and centrally located, please email them to logos@windsofstorm.net. It's a separate mailbox for this type of mail. Thanks! --Nathan ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan P. Clemons "Peace favor your code." nathan@windsofstorm.net ICQ: 2810688 IN CONSTRUCTION: http://gnome.windsofstorm.net ------------------------------------------------------------------------- From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 5452 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 01:42:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 01:42:53 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup079.nni.com [216.107.9.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA31040 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:42:50 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA08716; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:39:17 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:39:16 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: Sean Middleditch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sound Message-ID: <19990811213916.A8692@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 The mixer is kernel-level, however a userspace driver for the volume controls on your keyboard is certainly possible. You can modify your gnome-session to run a mixer on startup if you wish or find out if there is a utility to set your master volume on your mixer via the commandline which can provide a quick hack via a single editting of your rc.d initalization files (or gnome-session). -- Eric Windisch On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:03:39 Sean Middleditch wrote: > One improvement I would love to see is to make gnome more integrated with sound. > > For example, I have a Compaq computer, with the volume buttons on the keyboard... all volume control is software controlled. Windoze starts up the sound mixer when it boots, and the volume buttons control that. If gnome started its own built-in sound mixer, and then could be set up so certain keyboard controls operated it (besides opening up another mixer program and doing it the old fashioned way) life would be a lot easier for me and all the idiots who bought Compaqs. Right now, if I forget to open a mixer before using any sound, sound plays at the default level which makes me go deaf for 5 minutes. > > I don't know if X11 would have to be modified for this to work, however. When I run xev, pressing the colume controls (or the CD controls, or internet access controls) doesn't register an event. Perhaps X11 itself should have an integrated mixer, but that's off topic. > > I'm not good at getting involved, but if any of you could give me some pointers on how to do either of the above, let me know. I'll at least make an attempt. > > Sean Middleditch > > > > > > > >
One improvement I would love to see is to make > gnome more integrated with sound.
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For example, I have a Compaq computer, with the > volume buttons on the keyboard... all volume control is software > controlled.  Windoze starts up the sound mixer when it boots, and the > volume buttons control that.  If gnome started its own built-in sound > mixer, and then could be set up so certain keyboard controls operated it > (besides opening up another mixer program and doing it the old fashioned way) > life would be a lot easier for me and all the idiots who bought Compaqs.  > Right now, if I forget to open a mixer before using any sound, sound plays at > the default level which makes me go deaf for 5 minutes.
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I don't know if X11 would have to be modified for > this to work, however.  When I run xev, pressing the colume controls (or > the CD controls, or internet access controls) doesn't register an event.  > Perhaps X11 itself should have an integrated mixer, but that's off > topic.
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I'm not good at getting involved, but if any of you > could give me some pointers on how to do either of the above, let me know.  > I'll at least make an attempt.
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From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 13923 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 01:48:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 01:48:48 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup079.nni.com [216.107.9.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA31958 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:48:47 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA08740 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:46:40 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:46:39 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Folder Icons Message-ID: <19990811214639.B8692@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 This is one of the features I liked about kfm.. although I believe that they implimented it poorly (they did it via a config file in the ~/.kde directory), a .icon file or symbolic link would be much more effective. Also, if this is implimented in GMC (i hope it is).. possibly this could be a collition with the KDE crew to have a standard for a change! -- Eric Windisch From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 18390 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 01:53:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 01:53:06 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup079.nni.com [216.107.9.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32590 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:53:04 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id VAA08744 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:50:55 GMT Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:50:53 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Folder Icons Message-ID: <19990811215053.C8692@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 MS-Windows supports this as well with their auto-run "feature", allowing the autorun.inf to specify an icon for the device. Perhaps GMC should look for a .icon first and then search for a autorun.inf (if on the root of the mount). Now that I think about it.. kde's way might be a bitch to edit, it should be considerably quicker to check the configuration file rather then to recursively scan directories for a .icon file. -- Eric Windisch From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 19483 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 02:36:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 02:36:48 -0000 Received: from mailout00.btx.dtag.de (mailout00.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.148]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06516 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:36:47 -0400 Received: from fwd12.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.172]) by mailout00.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11EkjT-0003ad-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:36:43 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[62.157.45.199]) by fwd12.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:37:01 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA14395 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:14:58 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:14:58 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch for panel -- done better this time Message-ID: <19990812001458.A14392@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990811152542.A6448@audrey> <87n1vyt154.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <87n1vyt154.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu>; from Jacob Berkman on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 06:15:19PM -0400 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 06:15:19PM -0400 +++ Jacob Berkman e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > > > BTW, last time I've got absolutely no reaction whatsoever to this > > patch, has anyone noticed it? The HACKING file tells me to submit > > patches to the list though... > > I more or less added this patch to my local panel tree when you posted > it the other day. If I get the config dialogs done then I will make > a branch, which will maybe become the 1.1.x panel. So don't worry :) > "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum Me see obvious progress! Me interested! Me wonder: what kind of config dialogs? mawa -- Whatever you can do, or dream you can, begin it. Boldness has genius, power and magic in it -- Goethe From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 13381 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 03:07:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 03:07:24 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA11816 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:07:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA04902; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:06:40 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:06:40 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Cody Russell cc: Michael Dennis , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Cody Russell wrote: > > gnome-utils contains a program called gsu, which at the moment doesn't > compile correctly and hasn't been audited for security. Once it has been > security audited, then it would be safe to use in applications that would > need root access, correct? > Well, you can't really use gsu *in* an application; you can use it to launch an app that runs as root. mkj's PAM-based stuff is way better. I think this is really something next to impossible to do portably; so we may have to restrict a working su solution to Unices that implement PAM (most of the free ones are at least working on it). mkj says the PAM stuff could be modified to try to work without PAM, but lacking a volunteer to do that we're up the creek. gsu is still worth finishing; it is useful for some things, like: gsu --command='gshutdown' It really wouldn't be hard to finish, someone just needs to do it (someone who knows a good bit about Unix, the GUI part is finished and trivial). I'll fool with it someday, but I'm not really an expert in this area. Havoc From al@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 25178 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 03:18:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 03:18:55 -0000 Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA13496 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:18:54 -0400 Received: from bigfoot.com (ppp-207-214-213-46.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.213.46]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA19856 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:18:51 -0700 (PDT) Sender: al@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net Message-ID: <37B23D2D.573BC6D1@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:19:09 +0000 From: Al Niessner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9-27mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome discussion Subject: problems with modemlights_applet Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kernel: 2.2.9 gnome: 1.0.9 modemlights_applet 1.0.2 I need more information on how modemlights_applet works or what it needs. Now, for more detail: I get connected via PPP -- this is proof of that -- but I do not get any blinking 'lights' on my modemlights_applet. It worked for a while then quit when I went through a big upgrade -- I switched from RH to Mandrake. I have installed the 1.0.9 core etc. and it still does not work. I even tried it from root to make sure it was not a privilege problem. When I do a help from the properties of the applet, Netscape cannot find the referenced page. I installed the developer RPM's just in case the help existed in there. No luck. Tried man and info with no luck either. Even searched the web and came up with nothing except that it is maybe located in the core RPM. I do have to say the device is correct in properties page: ppp0. Without more information on it, that is about all I can say is correct for sure. All in all, I just need some documentation on it. Any and all help is appreciated and thanks in advance. Al Niessner From al@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 30512 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 03:24:29 -0000 Received: from mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (mta1.snfc21.pbi.net [206.13.28.122]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA14288 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:24:27 -0400 Received: from bigfoot.com (ppp-207-214-213-46.sntc01.pacbell.net [207.214.213.46]) by mta1.snfc21.pbi.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA21488 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:24:24 -0700 (PDT) Sender: al@mta1.snfc21.pbi.net Message-ID: <37B23E7A.113E9F31@bigfoot.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:24:42 +0000 From: Al Niessner X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9-27mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome discussion Subject: easy question to answer Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kernel: 2.2.9 gnome: 1.0.9 modemlights_applet 1.0.2 I want to change just a couple of configuration items in GNOME but cannot find where to make the the changes in the GUI configuration tools provided -- I know they are there and I just missed them. 1) I want to change the window border colors. Basic, but where do I change it at? Is it still a manual change -- .Xdefaults? 2) I turned on sloppy focus -- I am obviously nuts -- but I cannot find how to change the affect the mouse buttons have on raising the window. I want the middle mouse to always raise the window. I am suprised to find that clicking on the border is different than clicking on the title bar -- the bar raises the window and the border does nothing. So, where do I find the configuration panels for contolling these items. Thanks in advance for all and any help. Al Niessner From jirka@5z.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 3812 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 07:56:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 07:56:02 -0000 Received: from zinc.5z.com (jirka@5z.com [208.137.250.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA17823 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 03:56:01 -0400 Received: (from jirka@localhost) by zinc.5z.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) id AAA19913 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:56:06 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:30:02 -0700 From: George To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel patch adding missing icons Message-ID: <19990812013002.A7973@tina.linux.bogus> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990808141904.A3991@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990808141904.A3991@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 02:19:04PM +0200 On Sun, Aug 08, 1999 at 02:19:04PM +0200, Matthias Warkus wrote: > Finally, I make use of the often-mentioned "We accept patches." option > and submit you a patch to gnome-core/panel/menu.c which fills > following positions in the panel context menu with icons: > > - Add main menu (gnome-logo-icon-transparent.png) > - Add drawer (panel-drawer.png) > - Add log out button (gnome-term-night.png) > - Add lock screen button (gnome-lockscreen.png) > - Add launcher (launcher-program.png) > - Create new panel (GNOME_STOCK_PIXMAP_NEW) > - Remove this panel (GNOME_STOCK_PIXMAP_REMOVE) > > This is CCed to the panel maintainer. I do not dare add it to CVS > myself. There is a slight problem with this patch. If it doesn't find it's icons it spews warnings but still procceeds to use NULL values everywhere. It would be acceptable to have no warnings and if it can't find the file or load the file it should just add it without an icon. George From dennisb@cs.chalmers.se Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 10522 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 08:43:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 08:43:22 -0000 Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA18871 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:43:21 -0400 Received: from cs.chalmers.se (muppet56.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.157]) by animal.cs.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id KAA28112 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:43:14 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908120843.KAA28112@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:43:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Dennis Bj|rklund Subject: esd -as 2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII There should really be a way to specify what arguments that esd should be run with. Now it's hardcoded into controlpanel to run "esd -nobeeps". I wan't to run it as "esd -as 2 -nobeeps". I have fixed it for myself now, but it's not a nice solution. -- /Dennis From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 21101 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 12:16:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 12:16:35 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup124.nni.com [216.107.9.240]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA25394 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:16:32 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id IAA10156 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:14:25 GMT Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:14:24 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: "gnome-list @ gnome . org" Subject: Re: Usability: Keyboard & list, copy & paste Message-ID: <19990812081424.A10097@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 05:12:56 Zakaria wrote: > Hi, > > I've been using gnome for about 3 months, so far so good but > I think it need some improvement in these quirk (more features :) > > The problem: > > 1. When I presented in a list box, usually files I have no *fast* way > to selecting one of them with keyboard, I have to scroll down and > clicking 'em > instead type the first name of the item (file name) with my keyboard > like Windows > do :( This is carried from motif and the mac, afaik. In gtk which provides this "flaw" is not a part of gnome, however gnome is dependant on it. I believe the main reason for this is that Gtk is reasonable and doesn't have a text entry for something that will not accept a text-entry. Perhaps, if while the menu is opened the user may press the button and then narrow the search and remove all items from the menu that do not begin with that letter then if the character was "n", provide a "[a-m][p-z]" submenu. > > 2. In linux (X in general) as you probably know to copy we select the > text and > to paste we middle click the mouse. It's a *great* feature but it's It is great, very easy to use.. maybe TOO easy. This has always been one of my pet peevs' with Unix, for the same reasons you have. > has some > weakness, imagine that you want to copy path name > (/pub/linux/X11/GNOME/binaries/redhat/RPMS/i386/ for example) to and > edit box > in gftp. So you select the text and you go to gftp to paste it but > unfortunately > the edit box is already filled with another path. So there is only 3 > (three) > choises that all is uncomportable (for me). > (a) you clear the edit box by selecting the edit box content by mouse > and hit the delete and lose your previous copied text. > (b) you clear the edit box by selecting the edit box and clear the > content by > keyboard (shift arrow the delete) and paste it with mouse. That's > to many > step (for me too :) > (c) you paste the _clipboard_ in the begining of the edit box and > delete the > remaining text (the old one). This is to many step either. > > The proposed solution: > > 1. Make the list widget (list box & combo box) response to keyboard when > they have > the focus. Instead limiting to first letter the widget could make > this way : read above. > When first key pressed it search the list for item that has first > letter with > that key if the item found the widget select the item and paint the > first letter > with different color, when it's not found it beep the speaker (or > play sound > if you have soundcard). When you press the next key it search the > list for item > that have first two letter same with first + next key and select them > then paint > the first two letter with different color too. It goes that way and > the backspace > will work as usual (deleting the last key) > > 2. Have a context menu (left click menu) in every edit box and have one > of the menu > to clear the edit as it function. Or have one of the menu to prevent > selecting > as a way to copy as it function. A flag could made available to set the text box for "replace text when paste event occurs". For example in gftp perhaps the text should just replace what was previously there. But in the case of Balsa, you can specify more then one item in the "to" textbox, so perhaps it should provide a menu. I personally do not like right-click context menus, because from personal experience (dealing with my family) newbies do not grasp the concept of them (which is why in windows, only features a more advanced user would use are found in them, and if a newbie wants to do it there are other ways to do it, ala file menu). Perhaps the textbox widget should provide an integrated button which pops down a menu if the widget is not selected for "replace text on paste". > Or .... > do you have a better idea to deal with my problem above? yes, read above. > Regards, > > > > > Zakaria > -- > "I am a human so I have all the right to be wrong" > -- Eric Windisch "Universities are places of knowledge. The freshman each bring a little in with them, and the seniors take none away, so knowledge accumulates." From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 9710 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 12:58:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 12:58:15 -0000 Received: from mailout09.btx.dtag.de (mailout09.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.157]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA27149 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 08:58:13 -0400 Received: from fwd14.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.174]) by mailout09.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11EuQp-0003SI-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:58:07 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.214]) by fwd14.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:58:04 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA21212 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:43:26 +0200 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:43:26 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch for panel -- done better this time Message-ID: <19990812024326.A19203@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <87n1vyt154.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: ; from James Green on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 12:10:28AM +0100 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 12:10:28AM +0100 +++ James Green e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. > On 11 Aug 1999, Jacob Berkman wrote: > > > mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > > > > > BTW, last time I've got absolutely no reaction whatsoever to this > > > patch, has anyone noticed it? The HACKING file tells me to submit > > > patches to the list though... > > > > I more or less added this patch to my local panel tree when you posted > > it the other day. If I get the config dialogs done then I will make > > a branch, which will maybe become the 1.1.x panel. So don't worry :) > > IM(very)HO, since this is an end-user graphical feature for completness, > this ought to be part of the next gnome-core release. After all, there > aren't any major code changes are there to the functionality? > > Just my thought. It does not change any functionality. It does not add additional files or dependencies. It just uses what is there anyway. mawa -- comparing VMS and Unix is like comparing cancer and leprosy -- Richard Harter From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 6457 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 14:23:35 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31747 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:23:35 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02502 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:23:34 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02740 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:23:33 -0400 Message-Id: <199908121423.KAA02740@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-reply-to: Your message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 18:34:56 CDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:23:33 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Cody Russell writes: >gnome-utils contains a program called gsu, which at the moment doesn't >compile correctly and hasn't been audited for security. Once it has been >security audited, then it would be safe to use in applications that would >need root access, correct? Unfortunately, incorrect. All the libraries on which it depends and which manipulate user-supplied or user-manipulable input must also be audited. Since auditing gtk/gdk/glib/theme-engines after every single source code change is a huge job that no one has undertaken, making gsu secure is a significantly harder task. Another idea: I could try to export usermode's capabilities via a library and gsu could require this library interface. Distributions without PAM could export the same interface. As long as you have the interface, gsu works. I'll think about that. The way I see it, consolehelper is more flexible because it will be able to ask for either the user's or root's password (right now it only asks for the user's password; that's the new feature I need to add that I mentioned yesterday) and because it can be configured via PAM not to ask for a password at all for utilities where that is appropriate (for example, you might want to do that to make the kbdrate program runnable by normal users). On the other hand, gsu is more flexible because while it requires the root password to get access to a program running as root, you don't have to set up the system ahead of time as you do with consolehelper. It's a typical tradeoff. Again, see http://www.redhat.com/knowledgebase/newpam/ for more information; if you have Red Hat Linux 6.0, man consolehelper for more information as well. michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 21733 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 15:10:16 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02424 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:10:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22897; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:09:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:09:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: "Michael K. Johnson" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-Reply-To: <199908121423.KAA02740@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > Unfortunately, incorrect. All the libraries on which it depends and which > manipulate user-supplied or user-manipulable input must also be audited. > Since auditing gtk/gdk/glib/theme-engines after every single source code > change is a huge job that no one has undertaken, making gsu secure is a > significantly harder task. > gsu has a sort of slave process, which is just GNU su that works via pipes instead of asking for the password on the terminal. So it's not that bad. It just needs to be checked so we know the pipes stuff hasn't opened any holes. > Another idea: I could try to export usermode's capabilities via a > library and gsu could require this library interface. Distributions > without PAM could export the same interface. As long as you have the > interface, gsu works. I'll think about that. > Sounds worthwhile. > The way I see it, consolehelper is more flexible because it will be But the PAM stuff is clearly a good bit nicer on platforms that have it. :-) Havoc From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 7470 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 15:21:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 15:21:31 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03473 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:21:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA00391; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:30:24 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:30:23 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Havoc Pennington cc: "Michael K. Johnson" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With gsu, you will have to make sure that the graphical part does not use the user's theme or any other gtk modules. I can just imagine someone breaking into a system, and setting up a RC file for gsu that uses a custom theme engine. Then inside the theme engine it sets up an emission hook to wait for any GtkEntry widgets to be created. It would then be possible to connect to the "changed" signal of the entry and monitor the root password as the normal user types it in. Its hard enough auditing a program without the configuration files inserting arbitrary executable code when the user runs it. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Havoc Pennington wrote: > > On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > > > Unfortunately, incorrect. All the libraries on which it depends and which > > manipulate user-supplied or user-manipulable input must also be audited. > > Since auditing gtk/gdk/glib/theme-engines after every single source code > > change is a huge job that no one has undertaken, making gsu secure is a > > significantly harder task. > > > > gsu has a sort of slave process, which is just GNU su that works via pipes > instead of asking for the password on the terminal. So it's not that bad. > It just needs to be checked so we know the pipes stuff hasn't opened any > holes. > > > Another idea: I could try to export usermode's capabilities via a > > library and gsu could require this library interface. Distributions > > without PAM could export the same interface. As long as you have the > > interface, gsu works. I'll think about that. > > > > Sounds worthwhile. > > > The way I see it, consolehelper is more flexible because it will be > > But the PAM stuff is clearly a good bit nicer on platforms that have it. >:-) > > Havoc > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From pauljohn@lark.cc.ukans.edu Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 17373 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 17:56:53 -0000 Received: from lark.cc.ukans.edu (root@lark.cc.ukans.edu [129.237.34.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA19003 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:56:52 -0400 Received: from ukans.edu by lark.cc.ukans.edu (8.8.7/1.1.8.2/12Jan95-0207PM) id MAA0000009533; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:56:51 -0500 (CDT) Sender: pauljohn@lark.cc.ukans.edu Message-ID: <37B30A80.21258E6D@ukans.edu> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:55:12 -0500 From: Paul Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Need Help: session management and gnome capplets often don't work Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here is my puzzle. ON 2 of my computers, all the new Gnome stuff works great. On one, it seems to me session management and something in the panel or CORBA are totally screwed up. These are all RH6.0 systems, with gtk+1.2.3, and the newest rpms for Gnome installed from Dax's contrib site. I've been upgrading these rpms since the RH6.0 release, and I see problems only on one machine. No doubt I've made some silly mistake, can you help me figure what it is? I start Gnome by putting "exec gnome-session" in .Xclients. Here are examples of what is wrong. In an xterm, I can start gnomecc. >From the panel, I choose settings/desktop/windowmanager, and nothing happens. Sometimes when I go to the gnome panel to shutdown, nothing happens. I saw one other note in this list of someone saying this is a failure to connect to the gnome-session. What to do? When I shutdown gnome, and restart, there is sometimes no window manager running, and I get the error messaage that the pager cant start because it can't find a gnome compatible window manager. This happens even if I repeatedly try to save the session in settings. I like the background changing app called "gchbkgrd". I've talked to its author about the problem I have, which is that the main panel of gchbkgrd pops up all the time. He said that could be a symptom of gnome constantly trying to start new sessions or gchbkgrd repeatedly trying to connect to a session. I don't know how to trap the error messages that the gnome panel is issuing when these things don't work. Can you tell me? -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn@ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 21567 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 18:01:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 18:01:19 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA19682 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:01:18 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EzAC-000AT4-0B for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:01:17 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id WAA01384; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:34:58 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: UI considerations References: <99081101280000.27152@flyswatter.localmachine> <19990811101106.E13968@insigma.com> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 11 Aug 1999 22:24:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: James Aylett's message of "Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:11:06 +0100" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Arches) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 14 James Aylett writes: > On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 01:24:40AM -0400, John Ellis wrote: > > Run the menu editor, from there you can middle drag menus to the panel. Yuck. > You can drag straight from the foot menu and launchers onto panels, > can't you? Providing it's a launcher, or something like that that > can actually go onto the panel, anyway. Oh yes, so you can. That's reasonable, then. (Make sure it's documented, of course.) From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 7455 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 18:16:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 18:16:01 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21785 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:16:01 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10791 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:16:00 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA03092 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:15:59 -0400 Message-Id: <199908121815.OAA03092@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:09:36 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:15:59 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Havoc Pennington writes: >gsu has a sort of slave process, which is just GNU su that works via pipes >instead of asking for the password on the terminal. So it's not that bad. Ah, I retract that, then. I seem to recall being told that it used to be otherwise. Thanks, michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 21824 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 18:26:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 18:26:34 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23045 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:26:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA25404; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:25:52 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:25:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: "Michael K. Johnson" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-Reply-To: <199908121815.OAA03092@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > Ah, I retract that, then. I seem to recall being told that it used to be > otherwise. Thanks, > It did used to be otherwise, unfortunately. However James has a sensible point about other possible holes... which probably apply to the PAM stuff as well. We may need to think about how to avoid the problem; maybe with a custom entry widget. Havoc From tromey@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 4875 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 18:35:50 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24816 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:35:49 -0400 Received: from ferrule.cygnus.com. (ferrule.cygnus.com [205.180.230.166]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01225; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by ferrule.cygnus.com. (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA08198; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:46 -0700 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:46 -0700 Message-Id: <199908121835.LAA08198@ferrule.cygnus.com.> From: Tom Tromey To: Paul Johnson Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Need Help: session management and gnome capplets often don't work In-Reply-To: <37B30A80.21258E6D@ukans.edu> References: <37B30A80.21258E6D@ukans.edu> X-Zippy: I wonder if I should put myself in ESCROW!! X-Attribution: Tom >>>>> "Paul" == Paul Johnson writes: Paul> Sometimes when I go to the gnome panel to shutdown, nothing Paul> happens. I saw one other note in this list of someone saying Paul> this is a failure to connect to the gnome-session. What to do? Unfortunately I don't know all the ways in which the session manager can fail. But some of these problems sound like a failure of clients to connect to the SM. Can you run "save-session" and see if it prints out any error messages? Paul> When I shutdown gnome, and restart, there is sometimes no window Paul> manager running, and I get the error messaage that the pager Paul> cant start because it can't find a gnome compatible window Paul> manager. What window manager are you using? Is it session aware? When you save the session is it listed in ~/.gnome/session? Tom From ray@ray.clark.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 32058 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 18:57:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 18:57:15 -0000 Received: from ray.ray.clark.net (root@ray.ray.clark.net [207.97.67.226]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29004 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:57:14 -0400 Received: from picard.ray.clark.net (IDENT:root@picard.ray.clark.net [207.97.67.227]) by ray.ray.clark.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32423 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:57:08 -0400 Received: (from ray@localhost) by picard.ray.clark.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA01361; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:57:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14259.6403.370267.587033@picard.ray.clark.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:57:07 -0400 (EDT) From: Ray Curtis To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome & WindowMaker X-Mailer: VM 6.74 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: Ray Curtis X-PGP-Fingerprint: 23 CE 96 FF 3C 44 1B 80 9A 38 88 8B 51 6F 08 BA X-Face: /-Z'!!>#1$:0tsG/i`gF4(QR[&rx{o_~:VH}tr}mnT'K+DjtK$Q^_]8UI Help, I am running redhat 6.0 with gnome and windowmaker-0.60 and up until yesterday things were working fine. Now my problem, when I log in I get a icon like it is loading Enlightenment, then goes on and loads but seems to default to a gnome enlightenment desktop, however it shows that WindowMaker is the current desktop. I have lost all my menus for WindowMaker and the only error in my .xsession-errors file I see is: _IceTransSocketUNIXCreateListener: mkdir(/tmp/.ICE-unix) failed, errno = 17 _IceTransMakeAllCOTSServerListeners: failed to create listener for local Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0 subshell.c: couldn't get terminal settings: Inappropriate ioctl for device rm: cannot remove `/home/ray/.gnome//gmc-nWcADg': No such file or directory GnomeUI-WARNING **: Could not open help topics file NULL Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x3400210 Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x3400210 I am totally confused here, and probably missing something dumb. I had been logged in for a long time and this just started when I logged out and back in again. I was playing with XFce just before I logged out and it created a new .Xclients file but I replaced that with a backup copy and deleted I think all the stuff it put into my home. I hope this is not a FAQ, I have read them and didn't see anything that looked like it would help here. Sorry this is so long, but I really need to bet back to my old desktop. Thanks so much, -- mailto:ray@ray.clark.net http://www.clark.net/pub/ray ============================================================================ From bulkmail@dds.nl Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 16145 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 19:14:58 -0000 Received: from yalta.NL.net (yalta.NL.net [193.67.79.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA31980 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:14:57 -0400 Received: from 1Cust118.tnt7.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net ([212.136.247.118]:6650 "HELO mindcrime" ident: "IDENT-NONSENSE") by yalta.NL.net with SMTP id <14655-462>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:14:38 +0200 Message-ID: <000a01bee4f6$4a74aa00$0201a8c0@mindcrime.djb.nl> From: "Dirk-Jan C. Binnema" To: Subject: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:39:00 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Hi there, Somehow, it has suddenly become quite acceptable to come up with GNOME wishes... No more "we accept patches"-answers ;-) These are some of my pet-wishes. Some are quite easy to implement, some others are a bit harder. Cheers. Dirk-Jan. GNOME Foot Menu --------------- - It would be nice being able to bind the beloved Windows-key on PC keyboards to the Foot menu - Is there some easy way to invoke the foot menu when doing right-clicks on the desktop? GNOME Helpbrowser ----------------- The GNOME Helpbrowser could be a much more valuable tool: - An in-page 'Find' function - A cross-document find function (I agree this is a *lot* harder) - As a more ambitious, but not too hard project, there could be a way to browse tarballs of HTML files, with some agreed-upon index file; There's a lot of freely available documentation on the web on stuff like ODBC, OpenGL, W3-docs, RFCs etc. It would be great to be able to browse those from within the GNOME helpbrowser, and adding new docs could be as simple as dropping a tarball in some documentation dir. It wouldn't hurt to take a look at MS's Help Browser. GNOME Error ----------- Users would be helped a lot with more indications from GNOME something's gone wrong. E.g. when a user selects a non-existing app in the foot menu, the app doesn't start, but no message is given to the user. I'd like to see a dialog box 'Your app couldn't be found....bla bla' and some shortcut keys to the menueditor, 'gfind' and the file editor. A set of Gnome-Error routines in Gnome-libs would be nice to keep things uniform. Gnome File Dialog ----------------- I know this has come up before, but IMHO the GtkFileDialog is not really sufficient for end-user apps. I think there should be a richer dialog, with at least file type filtering. I'd say we leave the GtkFileDialog nice and spartan as it is, and put the extra's in some GnomeFileDialog. Another nice feature in a FileDialog are standard directories. In a dialog to, say, open some pixmap, it would be very nice if it offered some shortcuts to user-defined dirs with pixmaps. Same for sounds, fonts etc. Maybe some funky GMC Bonobo component would do.... GNOME Panel Robustness ---------------------- Some apps crash GNOME or even X. When this happens and I restart X/GNOME, all my nicely configured panels, applets etc. are returned into their default setting. It would be nice to return to the last known-good setting. (or is there something like this already) From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 2771 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 19:51:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 19:51:47 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA06589 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:51:47 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA14018 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:51:47 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04406 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:33:41 -0400 Message-Id: <199908121833.OAA04406@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-reply-to: Your message of "Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:25:52 EDT." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 14:33:36 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Havoc Pennington writes: >It did used to be otherwise, unfortunately. OK, so I'm not as senile as I thought. :-) >However James has a sensible >point about other possible holes... which probably apply to the PAM stuff >as well. PAM itself is clean in this regard, and the setuid helper has been thoroughly vetted by several reviewers. I think we're OK with it. >We may need to think about how to avoid the problem; maybe with a >custom entry widget. No, that doesn't help -- you need to do the data sanitization in the setuid part; if you don't sanitize all data in the setuid part, then you are right back at ground zero in terms of security. michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From CheeZWiZ27@aol.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 4137 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 21:45:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 21:45:49 -0000 Received: from imo23.mx.aol.com (imo23.mx.aol.com [198.81.17.67]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28475 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:45:48 -0400 From: CheeZWiZ27@aol.com Received: from CheeZWiZ27@aol.com by imo23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id hGXEa22963 (3973) for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:45:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:45:15 EDT Subject: Display Settings?... To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0 for Windows 95 sub 214 OK, i'm sure i'm being completely retarded, but I've been stuck in Windows forever and I finally built myself a linux box so I can mess around with it until I can go to it full blown. My question is how the hell do I change the display settings, like monitor, color depth, resolution, refresh rate, etc... Also, what is the correct way to shut down Red Hat 6.0? I've been going to reboot Gnome and shutting it off at the POST because I haven't been able to find anything that says something about shutting down, or quiting to a command promt or anything like that. Thanks, -Jason Fox From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 12025 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 22:11:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 22:11:13 -0000 Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01041 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:11:12 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id SAA18965 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from serendipity (hil-qbu-ppw-vty75.as.wcom.net [209.154.57.75]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id SAA18799; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:10:28 -0400 (EDT) To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Patch for panel -- done better this time References: <19990811152542.A6448@audrey> <87n1vyt154.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> <19990812001458.A14392@audrey> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 12 Aug 1999 18:20:50 -0400 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:14:58 +0200" Message-ID: <87iu6ktzct.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > Me see obvious progress! Me interested! Me wonder: what kind of config > dialogs? Nothing exciting, just the standard panel properties. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From gphat@cafes.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 31093 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 22:27:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 22:27:41 -0000 Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04416 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:27:40 -0400 Received: from flipmode (flipmode.cafes.net [207.65.182.101]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA31964 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:27:39 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990812172618.007ee100@mail.cafes.net> X-Sender: gphat@mail.cafes.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:26:18 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cory Watson Subject: Re: Display Settings?... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" At 05:45 PM 8/12/99 EDT, CheeZWiZ27@aol.com wrote: >OK, i'm sure i'm being completely retarded, Nonsense, ignorance and stupidity are completely different animals:) >but I've been stuck in Windows >forever and I finally built myself a linux box so I can mess around with it >until I can go to it full blown. My question is how the hell do I change the >display settings, like monitor, color depth, resolution, refresh rate, etc... Xconfigurator (run at the command prompt) handles the color depth, resolution, refresh rate, etc, etc. X does all this stuff for us, Gnome doesn't. That's the reason you couldn't find anything in Gnome, its not there;) >Also, what is the correct way to shut down Red Hat 6.0? I've been going to >reboot Gnome and shutting it off at the POST because I haven't been able to >find anything that says something about shutting down, or quiting to a >command promt or anything like that. There's nothing wrong with doing it the way you are doing, aside from the fact that it's a hassle. To get to a command prompt, simply 'Log Out' of Gnome. If you have a computer that supports it, you can turn on a the setting "Power Off on Shutdown" (or something to that effect) when you recompile your kernel (if your that adventerous). I don't know how this will effect your shutdown process, however, as I've never used it. To shutdown from the command line, use 'shutdown -h now', this will halt the system when its OK to shutdown the computer. Im not sure whether or not Gnome implements a shutdown and halt on the menu side, as I usually logoff and manually type in the shutdown command. Perhaps someone else can answer this question on the Gnome side. Cory Watson Computer Cafe Internet Services From rbettle@criterion-group.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 2056 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 22:33:01 -0000 Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04861 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:33:01 -0400 Received: from criterion-group.com ([24.5.44.161]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990812223259.CIOB7447.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@criterion-group.com>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:32:59 -0700 Message-ID: <37B34C80.55E670B1@criterion-group.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:36:48 -0700 From: Roy Bettle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: CheeZWiZ27@aol.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Display Settings?... References: Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------158A1DD0754F8127394DCA44" This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------158A1DD0754F8127394DCA44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason; I may not be doing it right, but I use "Ctrl+Alt+Backspace" to exit X/GNOME as often as not. How to "click your way out" depends on the window manager you're using. As to shutting down, etc., your Linux box: shutdown -r now = go down for a restart now shutdown -h now = go down for a system halt (preparatory to powering off) now Typing "man shutdown" (without the quotes) should give you more information on how you can do this as well. Hope it helps. RAB CheeZWiZ27@aol.com wrote: > OK, i'm sure i'm being completely retarded, but I've been stuck in Windows > forever and I finally built myself a linux box so I can mess around with it > until I can go to it full blown. My question is how the hell do I change the > display settings, like monitor, color depth, resolution, refresh rate, etc... > > Also, what is the correct way to shut down Red Hat 6.0? I've been going to > reboot Gnome and shutting it off at the POST because I haven't been able to > find anything that says something about shutting down, or quiting to a > command promt or anything like that. > > Thanks, > -Jason Fox > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. --------------158A1DD0754F8127394DCA44 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; charset=us-ascii; name="rbettle.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Description: Card for Roy Bettle Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="rbettle.vcf" begin:vcard n:Bettle;Roy tel;work:(949) 452-1203 x-mozilla-html:FALSE url:http://www.criterion-group.com org:Criterion Group, Inc. version:2.1 email;internet:rbettle@criterion-group.com title:President note:Businesses that depend on computers, depend on us. adr;quoted-printable:;;26895 Aliso Creek Road=0D=0ASuite B404;Aliso Viejo;CA;92656;USA fn:Bettle, Roy end:vcard --------------158A1DD0754F8127394DCA44-- From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 17273 invoked from network); 12 Aug 1999 22:50:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 12 Aug 1999 22:50:14 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06661 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:50:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA30175; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:49:30 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:49:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: CheeZWiZ27@aol.com cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Display Settings?... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 CheeZWiZ27@aol.com wrote: > > Also, what is the correct way to shut down Red Hat 6.0? I've been going to > reboot Gnome and shutting it off at the POST because I haven't been able to > find anything that says something about shutting down, or quiting to a > command promt or anything like that. > On RH 6.0, just choose "log out" from the panel and you should get the option to shut down. You can also 'shutdown -h now' from a terminal window or the console. Havoc From jason@whizzird.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 31257 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 00:10:56 -0000 Received: from mail.rdc1.az.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc1.az.home.com [24.1.240.66]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA23374 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:10:56 -0400 Received: from magneto.localdomain ([24.6.171.230]) by mail.rdc1.az.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with SMTP id <19990813001054.LTCB27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@magneto.localdomain> for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:10:54 -0700 Date: Thu Aug 12 17:11:34 1999 From: jason To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gtk column width developer question Reply-To: jason@whizzird.net X-Mailer: Spruce 0.4.9c for X11 w/smtpio 0.5.9 Message-Id: <19990813001054.LTCB27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@magneto.localdomain> How do you get the width of a GtkCList's columns? Or at least a pointer to the GtkCListColumn so I can read it's width member? Thanks, Jason Majors From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 3760 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 00:45:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 00:45:39 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25100 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:45:36 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA02377; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:54:34 +0800 (WST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:54:34 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: "Michael K. Johnson" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-Reply-To: <199908121833.OAA04406@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What I was talking about in my last message was the possibility of using gsu/consolehelper as a trojan horse for collecting passwords, rather than exploiting any buffer overflow or passing invalid data to the setuid part. If either of these programs conforms to the user's selected theme then someone who has compromised the user's account will be able to collect the passwords entered into either of these utilities. They would then be able to gain root access later on with the normal su command. They could do all this without modifying the actual gsu or consolehelper binaries (so rpm --verify will not detect the problem) -- just upload a single theme engine shared object and modify one configuration file. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Michael K. Johnson wrote: > > Havoc Pennington writes: > >It did used to be otherwise, unfortunately. > > OK, so I'm not as senile as I thought. :-) > > >However James has a sensible > >point about other possible holes... which probably apply to the PAM stuff > >as well. > > PAM itself is clean in this regard, and the setuid helper has been > thoroughly vetted by several reviewers. I think we're OK with it. > > >We may need to think about how to avoid the problem; maybe with a > >custom entry widget. > > No, that doesn't help -- you need to do the data sanitization in the > setuid part; if you don't sanitize all data in the setuid part, then > you are right back at ground zero in terms of security. > > michaelkjohnson > > "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the > prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz > Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 8100 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 00:49:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 00:49:40 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25642 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:49:35 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA02433; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:58:27 +0800 (WST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:58:27 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: jason cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gtk column width developer question In-Reply-To: <19990813001054.LTCB27077.mail.rdc1.az.home.com@magneto.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII width = GTK_CLIST(clist)->column[col].width; James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, jason wrote: > How do you get the width of a GtkCList's columns? > Or at least a pointer to the GtkCListColumn so I can read it's width member? > > Thanks, > Jason Majors > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 25902 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 01:02:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 01:02:11 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA28341 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:02:11 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id VAA18329; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:02:09 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:02:09 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: CheeZWiZ27@aol.com cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Display Settings?... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 CheeZWiZ27@aol.com wrote: > OK, i'm sure i'm being completely retarded, but I've been stuck in Windows > forever and I finally built myself a linux box so I can mess around with it > until I can go to it full blown. My question is how the hell do I change the > display settings, like monitor, color depth, resolution, refresh rate, etc... > > Also, what is the correct way to shut down Red Hat 6.0? I've been going to > reboot Gnome and shutting it off at the POST because I haven't been able to > find anything that says something about shutting down, or quiting to a > command promt or anything like that. "shutdown -h now" or log out -> halt --Ben > > Thanks, > -Jason Fox > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From lyndon@stat.auckland.ac.nz Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 25747 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 01:19:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 01:19:40 -0000 Received: from mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (mailhost.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.1.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32143 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:19:37 -0400 Received: from stat1.stat.auckland.ac.nz (stat1.stat.auckland.ac.nz [130.216.93.1]) by mailhost.auckland.ac.nz (8.9.2/8.9.2/8.9.2-ua) with ESMTP id NAA08294; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:19:30 +1200 (NZST) Received: (from lyndon@localhost) by stat1.stat.auckland.ac.nz (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) id NAA13445; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:19:28 +1200 (NZST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:19:28 +1200 From: Lyndon Drake To: James Henstridge Cc: "Michael K. Johnson" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Security in GNOME Message-ID: <19990813131928.A13231@stat1.stat.auckland.ac.nz> References: <199908121833.OAA04406@tristan.devel.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from James Henstridge on Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 08:54:34AM +0800 One possible solution would be to talk to sudo instead of su. sudo only asks for the user's password (not the root password) which is not such a problem (though it still gives away some information). It would be nice to at least have the option to use sudo instead of su, because on some machines people only have sudo access (without knowing the root password). Lyndon On Fri, Aug 13, 1999 at 08:54:34AM +0800, James Henstridge wrote: > What I was talking about in my last message was the possibility of using > gsu/consolehelper as a trojan horse for collecting passwords, rather than > exploiting any buffer overflow or passing invalid data to the setuid part. > > If either of these programs conforms to the user's selected theme then > someone who has compromised the user's account will be able to collect the > passwords entered into either of these utilities. They would then be able > to gain root access later on with the normal su command. > > They could do all this without modifying the actual gsu or consolehelper > binaries (so rpm --verify will not detect the problem) -- just upload a > single theme engine shared object and modify one configuration file. From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 15705 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 03:17:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 03:17:59 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA28437; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:17:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id XAA18585; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:17:58 -0400 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:17:58 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: gnome-gui-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnomified tex icons. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII [sory to mail both lists, but I couldn't find the original post so I forget which list it was on.] Someone had a link (I lost it :-( ) to the file: Knuth-icons-png.tar.gz of old looking tex related icons. I updated most of them using tigert's i-normal.png as a base. the results are here: www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/icons/png2.tar.gz --Ben From hanson@primenet.com Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 18300 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 04:39:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 04:39:33 -0000 Received: from smtp01.primenet.com (daemon@smtp01.primenet.com [206.165.6.131]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA17460 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:39:32 -0400 Received: (from daemon@localhost) by smtp01.primenet.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) id VAA03756 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:30 -0700 (MST) Received: from usr05.primenet.com(206.165.6.205) via SMTP by smtp01.primenet.com, id smtpd003740; Thu Aug 12 21:39:22 1999 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:21 -0700 (MST) From: "Jon M. Hanson" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-terminal not correctly logging exits Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I noticed a problem with gnome-terminal not correctly keeping track of when a user closes the gnome-terminal window. As a result, if I'm logged in as root or my normal user account and use a gnome-terminal and I do a finger command it correctly shows one login for every gnome-terminal opened. However, once I logoff and I finger the just logged-off account it says "Never logged in." If I logon remotely via telnet then the last login time is correctly recorded. I noticed that gnome-terminal has command line options (among others): --login, --utmp, and --wtmp. I can seem to figure out exactly what these command line options do. They don't seem to fix the problem mentioned above. I've also been told to make gnome-pty-helper SUID root which I did. My gnome-pty-helper is also SGID utmp (it was like this on installation) as well. This didn't fix my problem either. I'm running Red Hat 6.0 (kernel 2.2.5-22) with the GNOME RPM updates released on July 28, 1999. Also related are the installed updates for dev, rxvt, and screen (released June 16, 1999) and utempter (released June 10, 1999). I would appreciate any help anyone could offer on this problem. I realize this isn't a major problem but I really would like to get it working so that the last login time is correctly reported in the finger information when a user is using the gnome-terminal. --- Jon M. Hanson (hanson@primenet.com) World wide web: http://www.primenet.com/~hanson From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 24216 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 07:50:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 07:50:59 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA01216 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:50:58 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA01819 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:48:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA05176 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:51:00 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B3CF97.4DC7AAB@cetelem.fr> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:56:07 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME: compiling on sun 2.6 References: <000a01bee4f6$4a74aa00$0201a8c0@mindcrime.djb.nl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It's first necesary to visit: http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk/computer/gnome I only finished to compile gnome-libs and preceding stuff but can already sum up some problems. They comes mainly from (generated) Makefiles where it miss some libraries to link. I had to modify many makefiles adding : -lgif -ltiff -lpng -ldb These libraries are in /usr/local/bin and --prefix=/usr/local/wm/gnome About db, it was also necessary to replace dbopen by db_open in some piece of code. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From rmoya@duende.fujitsu.es Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 19435 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 08:58:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 08:58:51 -0000 Received: from duende.fujitsu.es (root@ws14040188.fujitsu.es [194.140.40.188] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA09780 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 04:58:50 -0400 Received: from mail (mail [193.148.35.216]) by duende.fujitsu.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id KAA01535 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:56:34 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.fujitsu.es ([193.148.35.116]) by mail with ESMTP id t8dalkvl; 13 Aug 1999 10:57:00 +0200 Sender: rmoya@duende.fujitsu.es Message-ID: <37B3DE15.4D0BD75@mail.fujitsu.es> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:57:57 +0200 From: Rodrigo Moya X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: X question Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all! I cannot execute remote X applications from GNOME. I am on my linux box, I connect via telnet to a solaris machine, I export DISPLAY=indiana:0.0 (indiana is my linux machine) on the solaris machine, then try to run an X app in the solaris box, and I get a 'Client is not authorized to connect..." error. Other workstations (with windows) on the same network connect with an X server with no problem. So, is there something that I must setup on the linux machine? Thanks very much to all! From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 20704 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 09:03:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 09:03:42 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA09907 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:03:41 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03459; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:01:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA08876; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:03:45 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B3E0A4.54E2F76F@cetelem.fr> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:08:52 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodrigo Moya CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: X question References: <37B3DE15.4D0BD75@mail.fujitsu.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit didn't you forget on linux ? : xhost +solaris_machine JRC Rodrigo Moya wrote: > Hi all! > > I cannot execute remote X applications from GNOME. > > I am on my linux box, I connect via telnet to a solaris machine, I > export DISPLAY=indiana:0.0 (indiana is my linux machine) on the solaris > machine, then try > to run an X app in the solaris box, and I get a 'Client is not > authorized to connect..." error. Other workstations (with windows) on > the same network connect with an X server with no problem. So, is there > something that I must setup on the linux machine? > > Thanks very much to all! > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From rmoya@duende.fujitsu.es Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 29826 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 09:14:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 09:14:45 -0000 Received: from duende.fujitsu.es (root@ws14040188.fujitsu.es [194.140.40.188] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA11222 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:14:43 -0400 Received: from mail (mail [193.148.35.216]) by duende.fujitsu.es (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id LAA01601; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:12:37 +0200 (CEST) Received: from mail.fujitsu.es ([193.148.35.116]) by mail with ESMTP id t8dbdnqa; 13 Aug 1999 11:13:00 +0200 Sender: rmoya@duende.fujitsu.es Message-ID: <37B3E1D9.2F957B14@mail.fujitsu.es> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:14:01 +0200 From: Rodrigo Moya X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean Raymond Chauviere CC: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: X question References: 37B3E0A4.54E2F76F@cetelem.fr Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > didn't you forget on linux ? : > xhost +solaris_machine > JRC > Yes, that was the problem!!!! Now it works. Thank you very much From miki@elledi.it Fri May 12 00:03:31 2000 Received: (qmail 19074 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 09:37:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 09:37:37 -0000 Received: from ld.elledi.it (root@ld.elledi.it [193.76.102.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id FAA14330 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:37:35 -0400 Received: from piii450m (user9.elledi.it [193.76.102.109]) by ld.elledi.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id LAA18152 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:43:58 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990813114721.007d7450@elledi.it> X-Sender: miki@elledi.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:47:21 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Michele Mariottini Subject: Esd, gnome and soundcard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi to all :) Before begin to show my problems, you should excuse me about my bad english lenguage. :( I've some little problems (one time ago they were big problem, after many usefull advices, and several long readings of howto, man pages, etc..., now they would seem more little), about, I guess, esd. I compiled the kernel 2.2.11, fully modular, enabling: - Sound Card Support (M) - OSS sound sodules (M) - Generic OPL2/OPL3 FM synthesizer support (M) - Support for Yamaha OPL3-SA2, SA3, and SAx based PnP cards (M) - SoftOSS software wave engine table (M) - FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL3) support (M) The kernel now is correctly installed (I see it from /proc/version and dmesg, and /dev/sndstat, and others) I configured the sound card (Yamaha OPL3 SAx I've also w95 on my laptop - I found also the hardware pages on mirror of linux laptops), after the kernel ricompilation, with isapnp 1.18 : giving 'pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf' and edidting : '/etc/isapnp.conf' and after: '/etc/conf.modules' With command cat /proc/ioports - interrupts - dma , I can see that the resources are free and assigned at the sound modules. When I start the computer the kernel load correctly (without error messages) the sound, and midi modules, and with dmesg I can see also the the card is recongnized (without problems) and there are not conflicts between the resources assigned. Then, all seem OK, the card is ok, and the resources are ok, and the modules are OK. With cat /dev/sndstat the results are : ---------- OSS/Free:3.8s2++-971130 Load type: Driver loaded as module Kernel: Linux 193.76.102.2 2.2.11 # mer ago 11 09:25:31 CEST 1999 :586 Config options: 0 Installed drivers: Card config: Audio devices: 0: MS Sound System (CS4231) (DUPLEX) Synt devices: 0: Yamaha OPL3 Midi devices: 0: MPU-401 0.0 Midi interface #1 Timers: 0: System clock 1: MS Sound System (CS4231) Mixers: 0: OPL-3SAx and AD1848 (thruogh MSS) 1: MS Sound System (CS4231) ----------- I don't kown because there are some empty fields (maybe it's modular) ... but it seems ok .... or not ??? With lsmod: -------------- nsfd 149984 8 autoclean opl3 11208 0 opl3as2 3720 0 ad1848 15824 0 [opl3sa2] mpu401 18448 0 [opl3sa2] Sound 56364 0 [opl3 ad1848 mpu401] Soundcore 2148 7 [Sound] --------------- It seems ok ... maybe there is not Soundlow ??!?! BTW If I try to play with (as the soundhowto tell me): cat /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/audio ... It sounds clean and regular cat /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/dsp ... It sounds, but the sound it is not regular and clean (grrgrgrgrgr ... it's a noise) cat /usr/share/sounds/error.wav > /dev/dsp ... It sounds clean and regular BTW If I try to play with esd: esdplay /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/audio ... It sounds clean and regular esdplay /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/dsp ... It sounds clean and regular Now I try to load esd from console: #esd The laptop go in stall (it freeze itself a system block) ... abs to unblock the machine I must to push the on/off interuttor !!!! :((((( If I enable the gnome sound (so it start esd), when gnome is almost ready (completly loaded) the machine freeze (go in block) and I must turn off with the interruttor on/off !!!!! :(((( The cd play, but it should be normal. I must disabled gnome sound , so esd remains quite !! :((( Where is the probs, there are 2 months I' m trying to change card config, ioports, etc........ BTW now I've learned a little bit more about linux and the machine, is the only advantage !! :) How can I solve this situation, where is the problems ???? bye, and excuse my long email :(((( miki :) From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 2440 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 09:47:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 09:47:08 -0000 Received: from mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (mailhub4.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.24]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA16193 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 05:47:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp69-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.196]) by mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA49995 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:47:04 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:47:22 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Switching to next running app with Alt-Tab Message-ID: <14259.59299.99367.187748@localhost.localdomain> Hello, I would like to have alt-tab cycle through all windows, even iconized ones. How can I achieve this ? Right now, in fact, it's not even cycling through non-iconized ones. SOmetimes it is, but sometimes it cycles through a subset of non-iconized ones, and then again it, well, it doesn't to me it behaves in a very consistent way :-). I append below the packages I'm using. Thanks, Jacques Versions of packages used : ~ $ rpm -qa | grep gnome gnome-audio-1.0.0-6 gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-6 gnome-core-1.0.4-34 gnome-games-1.0.2-10 gnome-libs-1.0.8-8 gnome-linuxconf-0.22-1 gnome-media-1.0.1-3 gnome-pim-1.0.7-2 gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-4rh gnome-utils-1.0.1-6 switchdesk-gnome-1.7.0-1 ~ $ rpm -qa | grep enlight enlightenment-conf-0.15-5 enlightenment-0.15.5-100 From srtxg@ping.be Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 14005 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 11:47:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 11:47:01 -0000 Received: from chekov.Belgium.EU.net (chekov.belgium.eu.net [193.74.208.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA12234 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 07:47:00 -0400 Received: from (u195-95-23-72.pop-charleroi1.planetinternet.be [195.95.23.72]) by chekov.Belgium.EU.net with ESMTP id NAA23340 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:46:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from srtxg@localhost) by chanae.alphanet.ch (8.9.0/8.9.0) id NAA31462 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:43:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:43:17 +0200 From: Pablo Saratxaga To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-libs little change Message-ID: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us Hello, The menu entry "Create _New Window" from gnome-libs is used by gmc on a menu alongside a "_New" entry (which opens a submenu to choose what kind of new thing to launch: new terminal, new this, new that etc) that cause problems. Souldn't the "Create _New Window" of gnome-libs be changed to "Create New _Window" ? It is on line 230 of libgnomeui/gnome-app-helper.c If it is changed note to change also all po/*.po files to don't lose the transaltion (a simple sed oneliner should do). If you agree with the little change I ca ndo it. -- Ŕ bientôt, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 From johne@bellatlantic.net Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 12407 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 13:05:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 13:05:47 -0000 Received: from flyswatter.localmachine (client-151-197-126-223.bellatlantic.net [151.197.126.223]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01715 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:05:46 -0400 Received: from flyswatter.localmachine (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flyswatter.localmachine (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA09693; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:03:44 -0400 From: John Ellis To: Al Niessner Subject: Re: problems with modemlights_applet Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:55:50 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.24] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: gnome discussion MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081309034302.05703@flyswatter.localmachine> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Al Niessner wrote: >I need more information on how modemlights_applet works or what it >needs. > >Now, for more detail: I get connected via PPP -- this is proof of that >-- but I do not get any blinking 'lights' on my modemlights_applet. It >worked for a while then quit when I went through a big upgrade -- I >switched from RH to Mandrake. I have installed the 1.0.9 core etc. and >it still does not work. I even tried it from root to make sure it was >not a privilege problem. When I do a help from the properties of the >applet, Netscape cannot find the referenced page. I installed the >developer RPM's just in case the help existed in there. No luck. Tried The applet notices the connection by testing for the modem's lock file. By default the applet checks for /var/lock/LCK..modem, this will probably need to be changed to /var/lock/LCK..ttyS0 or something similar. (when connected, look in /var/lock for a file similar to LCK..ttySx, and specify this as the lock file in the applet's properties) When you upgraded from RH to Mandrake, the symbolic link was not updated for /dev/modem. The reason is that many newer distributions do not use or even create the symbolic link from the serial device to /dev/modem. >man and info with no luck either. Even searched the web and came up >with nothing except that it is maybe located in the core RPM. > >I do have to say the device is correct in properties page: ppp0. >Without more information on it, that is about all I can say is correct >for sure. -John -- John Ellis http://gqview.netpedia.net From creveley@plato.wadham.ox.ac.uk Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 18099 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 13:21:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 13:21:19 -0000 Received: from plato.wadham.ox.ac.uk (85@plato.wadham.ox.ac.uk [163.1.164.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA06022 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:21:17 -0400 Received: (qmail 16655 invoked by uid 217); 13 Aug 1999 13:21:14 -0000 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:21:14 +0100 (BST) From: Colin To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: config files Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there all. I'm kind of a newbie and I just want to know: where are the global config files for gnome? There are some generated one's that pop into your home dir when you first start gnome or make any cahnges, but I'd like to know where the main ones are Specifically, I want to edit the menu that pops up when you right click on a panel. I want to create a user which can only start netscape and log out, nothing else. The local config files don't seem to have any options for that panel menu, and the "user guide" doesn't even mention it, or indeed anything about editing config files. Help is much appreciated! cheers Colin From ebi7@ozob.net Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 30271 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 13:26:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 13:26:07 -0000 Received: from ozob.net (root@ozob.net [216.131.4.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA07334 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:26:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (ebi7@localhost) by ozob.net (8.9.0/8.9.0) with SMTP id IAA09090; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:26:01 -0500 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:26:01 -0500 (CDT) From: ebi7 To: Rodrigo Moya cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: X question In-Reply-To: <37B3DE15.4D0BD75@mail.fujitsu.es> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Rodrigo Moya wrote: > Hi all! > > I cannot execute remote X applications from GNOME. > > I am on my linux box, I connect via telnet to a solaris machine, I > export DISPLAY=indiana:0.0 (indiana is my linux machine) on the solaris > machine, then try > to run an X app in the solaris box, and I get a 'Client is not > authorized to connect..." error. Other workstations (with windows) on > the same network connect with an X server with no problem. So, is there > something that I must setup on the linux machine? > man xhost ::::: Gene Imes http://www.ozob.net ::::: From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 3747 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 14:27:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 14:27:16 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25119 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:27:15 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08691 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:27:14 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06425 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:27:13 -0400 Message-Id: <199908131427.KAA06425@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 08:54:34 +0800." Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:27:13 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com James Henstridge writes: >What I was talking about in my last message was the possibility of using >gsu/consolehelper as a trojan horse for collecting passwords, rather than >exploiting any buffer overflow or passing invalid data to the setuid part. > >If either of these programs conforms to the user's selected theme then >someone who has compromised the user's account will be able to collect the >passwords entered into either of these utilities. They would then be able >to gain root access later on with the normal su command. They can do that without touching the theme -- if they have access to the user's account, they can get the xauth cookie and sniff keystrokes easily. michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From johnsonm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 8921 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 14:29:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 14:29:20 -0000 Received: from devserv.devel.redhat.com (root@devserv.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25751 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:29:20 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (root@tristan.devel.redhat.com [207.175.42.7]) by devserv.devel.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08778 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:29:18 -0400 Received: from tristan.devel.redhat.com (IDENT:johnsonm@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by tristan.devel.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA06444 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:29:17 -0400 Message-Id: <199908131429.KAA06444@tristan.devel.redhat.com> X-Mailer: exmh version 2.0.2 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: "Michael K. Johnson" Subject: Re: Security in GNOME In-reply-to: Your message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:19:28 +1200." <19990813131928.A13231@stat1.stat.auckland.ac.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:29:17 -0400 Sender: johnsonm@redhat.com Lyndon Drake writes: >One possible solution would be to talk to sudo instead of su. sudo only >asks for the user's password (not the root password) which is not such a >problem (though it still gives away some information). That's the normal configuration of the consolehelper application. http://www.redhat.com/knowledgebase/newpam/ michaelkjohnson "Magazines all too frequently lead to books and should be regarded by the prudent as the heavy petting of literature." -- Fran Lebowitz Linux Application Development http://people.redhat.com/johnsonm/lad/ From dsngrle@dsnstar.dsn.ericsson.se Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 9023 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 14:47:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 14:47:05 -0000 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30965 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:47:04 -0400 Received: from dsnstar.dsn.ericsson.se (dsnstar.dsn.ericsson.se [164.48.68.130]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA19439 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:47:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sharp.fm (infobase.ericsson.se [193.78.100.33]) by dsnstar.dsn.ericsson.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA07572 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:47:01 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: dsngrle@dsnstar.dsn.ericsson.se Message-ID: <37B42FDF.7281A7C1@sharp.fm> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:46:55 +0200 From: Graham Leggett X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome and SSH Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I currently access a machine through an SSH session, and display X apps running on the remote machine on my local box using SSH's normal X redirection. I now want to run Gnome apps on the remote machine, and have them interact with my local Gnome desktop. Is this possible? In our testing so far, the remote machine wants to try make a connection to the local machine on port 4370, probably to do some kind of CORBA stuff. It's being denied by the firewall though, and opening this port is not an option. Is it possible to get this CORBA connection to run over the SSH session like X does? If not, what would it take to do it? Regards, Graham -- ----------------------------------------- minfrin@sharp.fm "There's a moon over Bourbon Street tonight... From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 20581 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 15:59:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 15:59:13 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA19791 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:59:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00366; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:57:31 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:57:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Graham Leggett cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome and SSH In-Reply-To: <37B42FDF.7281A7C1@sharp.fm> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Graham Leggett wrote: > > Is this possible? In our testing so far, the remote machine wants to try > make a connection to the local machine on port 4370, probably to do some > kind of CORBA stuff. It's being denied by the firewall though, and > opening this port is not an option. Is it possible to get this CORBA > connection to run over the SSH session like X does? > > If not, what would it take to do it? > Elliot can tell you more when he returns from LinuxWorld. As an initial answer, our CORBA stuff is basically per-X-display I think. This is a tad broken. We'd really like someone to work on CORBA and session management to get it to work really well with multiple machines and remote connections for the next version of GNOME; if you're interested in working on this, I'd suggest looking at the X session management spec, and libgnorba in gnome-libs, and gnome-session, and talk to Elliot Lee and Tom Tromey. It's a tricky problem you'd have to think about carefully. Havoc From lobo@pop01.pub02 Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 30270 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 16:04:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 16:04:22 -0000 Received: from pop01.pub02 (pop01.mail.com [165.251.48.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA21328 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:04:21 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m56.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.184]) by pop01.pub02 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA18015; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:04:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop01.pub02 Message-ID: <37B4406E.EA4076EA@email.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:57:34 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Niessner CC: gnome discussion Subject: Re: easy question to answer References: <37B23E7A.113E9F31@bigfoot.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Al Niessner wrote: > > kernel: 2.2.9 > gnome: 1.0.9 > modemlights_applet 1.0.2 > > I want to change just a couple of configuration items in GNOME but > cannot find where to make the the changes in the GUI configuration tools > provided -- I know they are there and I just missed them. > > 1) I want to change the window border colors. Basic, but where do I > change it at? Is it still a manual change -- .Xdefaults? > > 2) I turned on sloppy focus -- I am obviously nuts -- but I cannot find > how to change the affect the mouse buttons have on raising the window. > I want the middle mouse to always raise the window. I am suprised to > find that clicking on the border is different than clicking on the title > bar -- the bar raises the window and the border does nothing. Actually, that's a window manager configuration, and I suppose you must be using enlightenment. 1) Pick another theme (http://e.themes.org/) for enlightenment. Copy the .etheme file to /usr/share/enlightenment/themes/ and choose it by middle-clicking on the root window ("desktop"). 2) Right click on the border or Alt-left click anywhere on the window, or Ctrl-Alt-Up (with the focus on the window). -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (aka Lobo) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From federico@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 12821 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 16:24:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 16:24:00 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (root@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA24864 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:24:00 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01951; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:24:37 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:24:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@redhat.com using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: srtxg@ping.be CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> (message from Pablo Saratxaga on Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:43:17 +0200) Subject: Re: gnome-libs little change X-Zippy: Yow! I'm imagining a surfer van filled with soy sauce! References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> > The menu entry "Create _New Window" from gnome-libs is used by gmc on > a menu alongside a "_New" entry (which opens a submenu to choose what kind > of new thing to launch: new terminal, new this, new that etc) > that cause problems. > > Souldn't the "Create _New Window" of gnome-libs be changed to > "Create New _Window" ? > It is on line 230 of libgnomeui/gnome-app-helper.c > > If it is changed note to change also all po/*.po files to don't lose the > transaltion (a simple sed oneliner should do). Sounds OK to me. Other applications may want to use "_New" as well. Federico From lnozot@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 7556 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 17:06:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 17:06:23 -0000 Received: from pikespeak.nwe-net.com (mail.anthemcom.com [192.102.90.198]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA32251 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:06:22 -0400 Received: from iins.com ([207.174.96.56]) by pikespeak.nwe-net.com (Netscape Messaging Server 3.62) with ESMTP id 309 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 11:03:59 -0600 Sender: lnozot@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37B2FEDE.9E5218F@iins.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:05:34 -0600 From: Loren Nozot X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Window focus problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I am having trouble changing focus by clicking the application window on the menu bar. On a rawhide installation I am able to click on the window and it will pop to the top. On my rh 6.0 system it does not come to the top of the focus. I have checked the settings on both systems and they seem to be the same but the focus works different the two systems. I have upgraded the packages for rh 6.0 but it has not made a change for this problem. It there a setting somewhere else that I've missed? Thanks! Loren From Sydney_Weidman@mbnet.mb.ca Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 6327 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 17:35:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 17:35:05 -0000 Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (root@access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.54.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05729 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:35:04 -0400 Received: from mbnet.mb.ca (IDENT:weidmans@annex01-41.mbnet.mb.ca [207.161.101.42]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA21435; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:34:58 -0500 (CDT) Sender: Sydney_Weidman@mbnet.mb.ca Message-ID: <37B456FB.375D2403@mbnet.mb.ca> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:33:47 -0500 From: Sydney Weidman Organization: SW Data Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Loren Nozot CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Window focus problems References: <37B2FEDE.9E5218F@iins.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Loren Nozot wrote: > > I am having trouble changing focus by clicking the application window on > the menu bar. On a rawhide installation I am able to click on the > window and it will pop to the top. On my rh 6.0 system it does not come > to the top of the focus. > > I have checked the settings on both systems and they seem to be the same > but the focus works different the two systems. I have upgraded the > packages for rh 6.0 but it has not made a change for this problem. > > It there a setting somewhere else that I've missed? > > Thanks! > Loren > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Did you install the updates to enlightenment? (Assuming that's the window manager you're running) I had the same problem until I installed the newest version of Enlightenment. The version I have: enlightenment-0.15.5-37.i386.rpm Hope this helps. Regards, Syd. From bogadofuture@openlink.com.br Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 4351 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 18:45:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 18:45:30 -0000 Received: from ol24-245 (ol24-245.openlink.com.br [200.240.24.245]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA15629 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 14:45:27 -0400 Received: from openlink.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ol24-245 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27267 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:45:16 -0300 Sender: bogado@ol24-245 Message-ID: <37B467BB.F0DD91AE@openlink.com.br> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:45:15 -0300 From: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR, pt, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: where is corba? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was using gnorpm and gftp, and I figured why was gnorpm trying to download the files for itself? Why he would not ask for gftp or better yet gnome transfer manager, that uses wget) for a download using a corba interface? I thing that should be a corba service for asking for downloads and every app that needs a download could use it. But even more then that I think that should be a corba service for everything that more than one app need, and is more less asyncronous. Why don't we start a trhead of sujestions for new corba interfaces and ways of integrating diferent gnome apps to work together. :-) -- "You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland, and I'll show you how deep the rabit hole goes", Morpheus. []'s Victor Bogado da Silva Lins From KMFox@mail.bhi-erc.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 11274 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 19:55:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 19:55:45 -0000 Received: from mail.bhi-erc.com (mail.bhi-erc.com [206.61.211.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27090 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:55:44 -0400 Received: by mail.bhi-erc.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:56:07 -0700 Message-ID: From: "Fox, Kevin M" To: "'Victor Bogado da Silva Lins'" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: where is corba? Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:59:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" There is a corba project called Transfer Manager (we are redoing Gnome Transfer Manager) that will use corba to do exactly what you are talking about. > -----Original Message----- > From: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins > [mailto:bogadofuture@openlink.com.br] > Sent: Friday, August 13, 1999 11:45 AM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: where is corba? > > > > I was using gnorpm and gftp, and I figured why was > gnorpm trying to > download the files for itself? Why he would not ask for gftp or better > yet gnome transfer manager, that uses wget) for a download > using a corba > interface? I thing that should be a corba service for asking for > downloads and every app that needs a download could use it. > > But even more then that I think that should be a corba > service for > everything that more than one app need, and is more less asyncronous. > Why don't we start a trhead of sujestions for new corba interfaces and > ways of integrating diferent gnome apps to work together. :-) > > -- > "You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland, > and I'll show you how deep the rabit hole goes", Morpheus. > > []'s Victor Bogado da Silva Lins > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at > http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail > gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From martink@physics.ubc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 12704 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 19:57:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 19:57:53 -0000 Received: from physics.ubc.ca (martink@warp.physics.ubc.ca [137.82.43.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27302 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 15:57:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (martink@localhost) by physics.ubc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id MAA07186 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Krzywinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gdm2 - second session doesn't start Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have a problem with gdm2. When I start it, the first Xsession runs no problem. The :0.Xauth and :0.log files are created in /usr/var/gdm and all goes well. When I log out of my session (doesn't matter what manager I use - even failsafe) and then try to log in, the session doesn't start. Just get blank grey window with X cursor. The .log reports AUDIT: Fri Aug 13 12:37:35 1999: 19924 X: client 1 rejected from local host Auth name: MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 ID: -1 Xlib: connection to ":0.0" refused by server Xlib: Invalid MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 key Looks like something's screwy with the authorization, but I can't figure out what. If I shut gdm2 down and start again, all is well and the first session works again (again, doesn't matter what the session is). Anyone know the issue here? My installation versions: gnome-audio-1.0.0-6 gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-6 gnome-core-1.0.4-34 gnome-games-1.0.2-10 gnome-libs-1.0.8-8 gnome-linuxconf-0.22-1 gnome-media-1.0.1-3 gnome-pim-1.0.7-2 gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-4rh gnome-utils-1.0.1-6 switchdesk-gnome-1.7.0-1 gnome-libs-devel-1.0.8-8 gnome-core-devel-1.0.4-34 gnome-objc-1.0.2-4 gnome-objc-devel-1.0.2-4 gdm2 compiled no problem and is in /usr not /usr/local. gdm.conf: [daemon] Chooser=/usr/bin/gdmchooser --disable-sound Greeter=/usr/bin/gdmlogin --disable-sound Group=gdm HaltCommand=shutdown -h now DisplayInitDir=/usr/etc/gdm/Init KillInitClients=1 LogDir=/usr/var/gdm DefaultPath=/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/X116/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin PidFile=/var/run/gdm.pid PostSessionScriptDir=/usr/etc/gdm/PostSession/ PreSessionScriptDir=/usr/etc/gdm/PreSession/ RebootCommand=shutdown -r now RootPath=/sbin:/usr/sbin:/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/local/bin ServAuthDir=/usr/var/gdm SessionDir=/usr/etc/gdm/Sessions UserAuthDir=/tmp UserAuthFBDir=/tmp UserAuthFile=.Xauthority User=gdm [security] AllowRoot=0 UserMaxFile=65536 RelaxPermissions=0 RetryDelay=3 VerboseAuth=1 [xdmcp] Enable=1 MaxPending=4 MaxSessions=16 MaxWait=30 Port=177 the rest is standard. Thanks, mk -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Impotent Pieces of the Game He plays Upon this Chequer-board of Nights and Days; Hither and thither moves, and checks, and slays, And one by one back in the Closet lays. Omar Khayyam (Rubaiyat, LXXIV, trans. by Edward Fitzgerald (2nd ed.)) -------------------------------------------------------------------- 1164/1424 - Martin Krzywinski System Administrator Center for Integrated Genomics BC Cancer Agency 600 West 10th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5Z 4E6 tel: (604) 877-6086 fax: (604) 877-6085 http://www.cigenomics.bc.ca From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 26276 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 20:15:47 -0000 Received: from mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (mailhub4.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.24]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA29897 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:15:47 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp90-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.217]) by mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA49762; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:15:41 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid (via feedmail 8 I); VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 22:16:55 +0200 (CEST) To: Loren Nozot Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Window focus problems In-Reply-To: <37B2FEDE.9E5218F@iins.com> References: <37B2FEDE.9E5218F@iins.com> Message-ID: <14260.31942.197876.406420@localhost.localdomain> Hi Loren, Just install the last RPM version of Enlightenment (www.enlightenment.org), and it will work as expected. Jacques Loren Nozot a écrit (12.8.1999): > I am having trouble changing focus by clicking the application window on > the menu bar. On a rawhide installation I am able to click on the > window and it will pop to the top. On my rh 6.0 system it does not come > to the top of the focus. > > I have checked the settings on both systems and they seem to be the same > but the focus works different the two systems. I have upgraded the > packages for rh 6.0 but it has not made a change for this problem. > > It there a setting somewhere else that I've missed? > > Thanks! > Loren > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From jpg2@cec.wustl.edu Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 7824 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 22:42:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 22:42:02 -0000 Received: from express.cec.wustl.edu (express.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA07806 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:42:01 -0400 Received: from clarion.cec.wustl.edu (jpg2@clarion.cec.wustl.edu [128.252.21.3]) by express.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with ESMTP id RAA10333; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:41:55 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (jpg2@localhost) by clarion.cec.wustl.edu (8.8.5/CTS-JEK1.2) with SMTP id RAA08429; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:41:47 -0500 (CDT) X-Authentication-Warning: clarion.cec.wustl.edu: jpg2 owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 17:41:46 -0500 (CDT) From: Jamin Philip Gray Sender: jpg2@cec.wustl.edu To: gnome mailing list cc: Adam Lopresto , Scott King Subject: NASTY problem.... Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've been experiencing a really nasty problem lately. It *seems* to be when I use grip to rip mp3's from a CD, though I don't see how that could really be the cause. This may not be the appropriate list to post to, it may be a kernel issue. But here goes. I'll be going along fine, ripping mp3's. Then after a few tracks (maybe 2) I'll pull up a terminal. The odd thing is I'll get a syntax error. It varies as to which syntax error I get, but usually something about bad syntax for if statement or something. Then occasionally an Eterm will just die. Then grip will segfault. Then after a while my system will hang completely. The keyboard is locked...If I hurry i can telnet or ssh into the system from a machine on the local network...but if I don't act fast, the computer will completely lock. Here is the message I get: #unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 06672000 current->tss.cr3 = 06672000, %cr3 = 06672000 *pde = 00000000 Oops: 0002 CPU: 0 EIP: 0010:[] EFLAGS: 00010286 eax: 06672000 ebx: c66f0000 ecx: c767a000 edx: c01f8de0 esi: 00000000 edi: 0000003b ebp: c767bfbc esp: c66f1f1c ds: 0018 es: 0018 ss: 0018 Process mixer_applet (pid: 504, process nr: 32, stackpage=c66f1000) Stack: c0110207 c66f1f44 00000016 c01f0000 c66f1f58 0002498f 00000007 00000016 c01f0000 c0200000 c66f1f6c c011008c c66f1f58 c6c56020 c759d3b8 00000000 00000000 0002498f c66f0000 c010fce8 c66f0000 c012d04d 00000006 08082870 Call Trace: [] [] [] [] [] [] Code: 0f 23 c6 8b b3 e0 02 00 00 0f 23 ce 8b b3 e4 02 00 00 0f 23 and another time in my /var/log/messages I read after the crash: Aug 13 16:59:08 eowyn gnome-name-server[1355]: input condition is: 0x10, exiting Aug 13 16:59:09 eowyn gdm[428]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Could not unlink /var/g dm/:0.xauth file: No such file or directory Aug 13 16:59:20 eowyn PAM_pwdb[1588]: 1 authentication failure; (uid=0) -> jamin for gdm service Aug 13 16:59:20 eowyn prefdm[1588]: Couldn't authenticate jamin Aug 13 16:59:22 eowyn PAM_pwdb[1588]: (gdm) session opened for user jamin by (ui d=0) Aug 13 16:59:27 eowyn gnome-name-server[1653]: starting Aug 13 16:59:27 eowyn gnome-name-server[1653]: name server starting Aug 13 17:24:25 eowyn kernel: no vm86_info: BAD Aug 13 17:24:47 eowyn kernel: no vm86_info: BAD Aug 13 17:27:02 eowyn PAM_pwdb[1865]: 1 authentication failure; (uid=500) -> roo t for su service Aug 13 17:27:05 eowyn PAM_pwdb[1866]: (su) session opened for user root by (uid= 500) Aug 13 17:27:18 eowyn kernel: Unable to handle kernel paging request at virtual address 01922000 Aug 13 17:27:18 eowyn kernel: current->tss.cr3 = 01922000, %cr3 = 01922000 Aug 13 17:27:18 eowyn kernel: *pde = 00000000 Aug 13 17:27:18 eowyn kernel: Oops: 0002 Aug 13 17:27:18 eowyn kernel: CPU: 0 ..... Any clue?? If this is a kernel issue, how do I go about reporting it? Thanks, Jamin Gray From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 17302 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 22:53:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 22:53:16 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09415 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:53:15 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-2b.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.44]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA23979; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:52:56 +0100 Message-Id: <199908132252.XAA23979@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:55:36 +0200 To: federico@redhat.com From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: gnome-libs little change Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >> Souldn't the "Create _New Window" of gnome-libs be changed to >> "Create New _Window" ? >> It is on line 230 of libgnomeui/gnome-app-helper.c >Sounds OK to me. Other applications may want to use "_New" as well. Will that assign ctrl + w to "new window"? IIRC some apps use crtl + w to close the current window (ctrl + q quits all), like Gimp does. Sorry if I misunderstood the problem. GSR From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 29155 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 23:06:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:06:33 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11278 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:06:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA05920; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:05:35 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:05:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Jamin Philip Gray cc: gnome mailing list , Adam Lopresto , Scott King Subject: Re: NASTY problem.... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Jamin Philip Gray wrote: > Any clue?? If this is a kernel issue, how do I go about reporting it? > Your kernel crashed - if the kernel crashes due to a user action, it's always either broken hardware or a kernel bug. The kernel is not supposed to crash; if users could crash the kernel, then all Linux's security features would be useless. You probably want to report the oops to your distribution vendor, unless you're enough of a kernel hacker to do the report the way the kernel guys like (see "How do I post an Oops?" in this FAQ: http://www.tux.org/lkml/). Anyway, this isn't really a Gnome problem, so the list for your Linux distribution or the Linux kernel list are your best resources. Havoc From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 30688 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 23:06:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:06:58 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11372 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:06:58 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11FQPY-000Chs-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:06:56 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA04787 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:29 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:28 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [Clock Applet] 12 secs out? Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I've just noticed something very odd. I did a 'date', and discovered that the default gnome clock applet was around 12 seconds behind. It's just gone into Saturday here and the update was 12 secs late. Weird or what? Is this normal? -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From lobo@pop03.pub01 Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 32563 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:08:18 -0000 Received: from pop03.pub01 (pop03.mail.com [165.251.32.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11575 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:08:17 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m13.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.141]) by pop03.pub01 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA26361 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:08:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop03.pub01 Message-ID: <37B4A3CD.4DC43758@email.com> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:01:33 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: esd -as 2 References: <199908120843.KAA28112@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis Bj|rklund wrote: > > There should really be a way to specify what arguments that esd should > be run with. Now it's hardcoded into controlpanel to run "esd -nobeeps". > I wan't to run it as "esd -as 2 -nobeeps". I have fixed it for myself > now, but it's not a nice solution. Really, it should be on the Sound capplet... I miss it too. -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (lobo on irc) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 4485 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 23:12:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:12:32 -0000 Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA12188 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:12:32 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id TAA21544 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:12:09 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from serendipity (hil-qbu-ppu-vty132.as.wcom.net [209.154.55.132]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id TAA21483; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:11:58 -0400 (EDT) To: James Green Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Clock Applet] 12 secs out? References: From: Jacob Berkman Date: 13 Aug 1999 19:22:35 -0400 In-Reply-To: James Green's message of "Sat, 14 Aug 1999 00:04:28 +0100 (BST)" Message-ID: <873dxntgec.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" James Green writes: > Hi all, > > I've just noticed something very odd. I did a 'date', and discovered that > the default gnome clock applet was around 12 seconds behind. It's just > gone into Saturday here and the update was 12 secs late. > > Weird or what? Is this normal? The clock updates once a minute, I think (if it isn't in UNIX time mode) so this seems perfectly normal. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From federico@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 12850 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:22:20 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (root@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13511 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:22:20 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA02539; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:22:50 -0400 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:22:50 -0400 Message-Id: <199908132322.TAA02539@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@redhat.com using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: famrom@idecnet.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <199908132252.XAA23979@mail.idec.net> (famrom@idecnet.com) Subject: Re: gnome-libs little change X-Zippy: Are you still an ALCOHOLIC? References: <199908132252.XAA23979@mail.idec.net> > Will that assign ctrl + w to "new window"? No. > IIRC some apps use crtl + w to close the current window (ctrl + q > quits all), like Gimp does. Sorry if I misunderstood the problem. You did :-) Federico From miket@geoworks.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 16717 invoked from network); 13 Aug 1999 23:26:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:26:35 -0000 Received: from CAraptorUU.geoworks.com (CAraptorUU.geoworks.com [208.232.87.36]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA14088 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:26:35 -0400 Received: from maelstrom.geoworks.com by CAraptorUU.geoworks.com via smtpd (for mail.redhat.com [199.183.24.239]) with SMTP; 13 Aug 1999 23:26:30 UT Received: from quark.geoworks.com (quark.geoworks.com [198.211.201.100]) by maelstrom.geoworks.com (8.8.6/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA12405; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sarcastro.geoworks.com (mail@[198.211.201.161]) by quark.geoworks.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA17412; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from miket by sarcastro.geoworks.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11FQkB-0002VH-00; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:28:15 -0700 Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 16:28:15 -0700 From: Mike Touloumtzis To: Ben Frantzdale Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Usability Improvements - Fix the window manager! Message-ID: <19990813162815.C8956@sarcastro.geoworks.com> References: <19990809173847.A32184@dethstar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Frantzdale on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:42:47PM -0400 On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 09:42:47PM -0400, Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > > > On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 11:30:11AM -0400, > > Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > > Can it be set up so that the eject button on the CDROM/zip drive unmounts > > > and ejects the media? > > > > > > --Ben > > > > > > > As I said in a previous post, this already happens! Selecting eject from > > the CD's context menu unmounts and then ejects. The only problem is with > > the floppy, because PC floppy drives support neither locking nor software > > ejecting. > > > > I ment the physical button on the outside of the drive. > (wading through GNOME mail days later... :-) I don't think this is possible with most CD-ROM drives. You can't trap the open/close button, you can only enable and disable. miket From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 19215 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 03:04:47 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA25787 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 23:04:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id LAA10406; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:13:36 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:13:36 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: where is corba? In-Reply-To: <37B467BB.F0DD91AE@openlink.com.br> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The other option for this is to use Ettore's new VFS code when it is done. Part of the reason that I am not using corba is that I have not had much experience using it yet. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 13 Aug 1999, Victor Bogado da Silva Lins wrote: > > I was using gnorpm and gftp, and I figured why was gnorpm trying to > download the files for itself? Why he would not ask for gftp or better > yet gnome transfer manager, that uses wget) for a download using a corba > interface? I thing that should be a corba service for asking for > downloads and every app that needs a download could use it. > > But even more then that I think that should be a corba service for > everything that more than one app need, and is more less asyncronous. > Why don't we start a trhead of sujestions for new corba interfaces and > ways of integrating diferent gnome apps to work together. :-) > > -- > "You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland, > and I'll show you how deep the rabit hole goes", Morpheus. > > []'s Victor Bogado da Silva Lins > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From project@sadnet.de Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 27700 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 10:05:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 10:05:41 -0000 Received: from deathstar.net (root@sad58.sad.dabay.net [195.222.115.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA02602 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:05:40 -0400 Received: (from project@localhost) by deathstar.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA02623 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:03:41 +0200 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:03:36 +0200 From: Markus Teich To: Gnome -List- Subject: problems with gnome after dist upgrade Message-ID: <19990814120336.A2619@sadnet.de> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome -List- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i X-OS: Linux 2.2.10 i686 hi all i just upgraded my system (was suse 6.1 glibc 2.0) to suse 6.2 (glibc2.1) and with it all the gnome stuff it seemed to werk but i still have some problems after starting X with gnome-session i get the following errors: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 3908 (gtk_ctree_post_recursive): assertion `ctree != NULL' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 710 (giop_recv_buffer_unuse): assertion `buffer != NULL' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 457 (giop_send_buffer_unuse): assertion `send_buffer != NULL' failed. subshell.c: couldn't get terminal settings: Das Argument ist ungültig GnomeUI-WARNING **: Could not open help topics file NULL ** CRITICAL **: file glayout.c: line 526 (create_new_menu_from): assertion `shell != NULL' failed. GnomeUI-CRITICAL **: file gnome-font-picker.c: line 491 (gnome_font_picker_set_font_name): assertion `fontname != NULL' failed. Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x2800062 Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x2800062 Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x2800062 i get the last error messages when i try to select something in the gnome control center.......i cant select anything the the window goes away.... please tell me whats wrong i also get segmention faults on starting gnumeric and gnomeicu thanx in advance markus From jdscott@execpc.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 5395 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 11:44:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 11:44:45 -0000 Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08097 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 07:44:44 -0400 Received: from localhost.execpc.com (quian-69.mdm.lac.execpc.com [169.207.105.69]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id GAA08086 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:44:40 -0500 Message-Id: <199908141144.GAA08086@mailgw02.execpc.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 06:41:53 -0500 (CDT) From: jdscott@execpc.com Subject: quicklaunch_applet To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Greetings, I'm running version 1.04 of the gnome-core and am having troubles with the quicklaunch_applet. When I right click on the panel, the quicklaunch option does not appear. But, if I run quicklaunch_applet & from a terminal window, the applet dutifully appears on my panel and is usable. I've tried to manually add it to my panel.d/ but I don't know how to configure the Applet_#_Extern file. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 13641 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 12:55:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 12:55:07 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14700 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 08:55:07 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11FdKz-000Noe-0K; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:55:05 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id NAA06775; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:54:13 +0100 Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 13:54:12 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: jdscott@execpc.com cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: quicklaunch_applet In-Reply-To: <199908141144.GAA08086@mailgw02.execpc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 14 Aug 1999 jdscott@execpc.com wrote: > Greetings, I'm running version 1.04 of the gnome-core and am having > troubles with the quicklaunch_applet. When I right click on the panel, > the quicklaunch option does not appear. But, if I run > quicklaunch_applet & from a terminal window, the applet dutifully > appears on my panel and is usable. I've tried to manually add it to my > panel.d/ but I don't know how to configure the Applet_#_Extern file. where are you getting this from? I've not got it in my menu either, and don't know where to get it. I just tried hitting tab twice at 'quick' but it wasn't found. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From ricardo@pc1.micasa Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 16679 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 14:21:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 14:21:22 -0000 Received: from pc1.micasa ([195.57.132.165]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA25583 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 10:21:05 -0400 Received: from nettaxi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc1.micasa (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA01522 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:20:26 +0200 Sender: ricardo@pc1.micasa Message-ID: <37C2AA29.E03C80CF@nettaxi.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:20:25 +0200 From: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= Pascual Reply-To: ricardoF@nettaxi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: es, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Personalizable toolbars library Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've been working in a personalizable toolbar library for gnome apps. I think this is a very interesting feature for gnome. Important: This is only a quick (and dirty) prototype. Code will be surely rewritten and the design is preliminar. I want to hear what do you think about the idea and the way to implement it. Send any comments to ricardoF@nettaxi.com (and to gnome-list if you like). The actual implementation uses libglade to build the toolbars from a glade file which should be edited by the user. An editor let's the user add toolbars and widgets to that file from another glade file used as a template. Currently loading of the toolbars works and an uncompleted editor lets you create a new toolbars file. There are a lot of things which have to be done: - A better editor - Reloading of the toolbar file (now you have to restart the app) - Rewrite everything and make it useful The thing is at http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/ricardoF/outbox/libptb-0.0.tar.gz (sorry for the slow server) -- Ricardo Fernández Pascual ricardoF@nettaxi.com Murcia. Espańa From mkp@socsci.auc.dk Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 3773 invoked from network); 14 Aug 1999 22:58:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 14 Aug 1999 22:58:42 -0000 Received: from bentley.socsci.auc.dk (exim@bentley.socsci.auc.dk [130.225.60.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA26764 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 18:58:41 -0400 Received: from jaguar.socsci.auc.dk ([130.225.60.49] ident=root) by bentley.socsci.auc.dk with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11Fml6-0004wx-00; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:58:40 +0200 Received: (from mkp@localhost) by jaguar.socsci.auc.dk (8.9.3/8.8.8) id AAA06841; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:58:39 +0200 Sender: mkp@socsci.auc.dk To: Martin Krzywinski Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gdm2 - second session doesn't start References: Organization: IC1&2, Aalborg University From: Martin Kasper Petersen Date: 15 Aug 1999 00:58:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: Martin Krzywinski's message of "Fri, 13 Aug 1999 12:57:51 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.44/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin> I have a problem with gdm2. When I start it, the first Martin> Xsession runs no problem. The :0.Xauth and :0.log files are Martin> created in /usr/var/gdm and all goes well. When I log out of Martin> my session (doesn't matter what manager I use - even failsafe) Martin> and then try to log in, the session doesn't start. Just get Martin> blank grey window with X cursor. The .log reports [...] Bug in the new Xauth code. Fixed in CVS. Thanks for reporting... -- Martin Kasper Petersen BOFH, IC1&2, Aalborg University, DK mailto:mkp@SunSITE.auc.dk http://SunSITE.auc.dk/~mkp/ From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 23146 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 01:39:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 01:39:27 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA27082 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:39:27 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA04322 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:39:37 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: where is corba? Date: 15 Aug 1999 01:39:37 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 23 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <37B467BB.F0DD91AE@openlink.com.br> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 934681177 4290 207.175.42.154 (15 Aug 1999 01:39:37 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 01:39:37 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 13 Aug 1999 14:46:02 -0400, Victor Bogado da Silva Lins wrote: > I was using gnorpm and gftp, and I figured why was gnorpm trying to >download the files for itself? Why he would not ask for gftp or better >yet gnome transfer manager, that uses wget) for a download using a corba >interface? I thing that should be a corba service for asking for >downloads and every app that needs a download could use it. Why use CORBA for this? There is no data that needs to be shared between different applications - a shared library would do a much better job, and in this case, libghttp & libwww both exist and do the job (libwww being the "recommended" one for future apps). >Why don't we start a trhead of sujestions for new corba interfaces and >ways of integrating diferent gnome apps to work together. :-) Yes, there's nothing wrong with that - you just have to learn what situations it makes sense to use it in. The example you gave is not one of those situations. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From MStearne@eisolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 8405 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 03:03:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 03:03:07 -0000 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18729 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:03:06 -0400 Received: from eisolutions.com (usr56k-70.rowan.edu [150.250.56.70]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id XAA26316 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:19:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B62CBD.E4539884@eisolutions.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 22:58:05 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Updates since RH 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there anyway on the Gnome site, when users click "Quick! Take me to the Software! ->Red Hat 6.0 Systems " you can show a list of the gnome parts that have been changed since the RH 6 release. There have been many fixes(thanks) since then and RH 6 users get the impression they have the most current version. Thanks, Michael From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 20437 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 03:09:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 03:09:55 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA20884 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:09:54 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k198-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.198]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA07251 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:09:55 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37B62F6E.DAF0EDF7@cyberport.com> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:09:34 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: where is corba? References: <37B467BB.F0DD91AE@openlink.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Elliot Lee wrote: > > On 13 Aug 1999 14:46:02 -0400, Victor Bogado da Silva Lins > wrote: > > > I was using gnorpm and gftp, and I figured why was gnorpm trying to > >download the files for itself? Why he would not ask for gftp or better > >yet gnome transfer manager, that uses wget) for a download using a corba > >interface? I thing that should be a corba service for asking for > >downloads and every app that needs a download could use it. > > Why use CORBA for this? There is no data that needs to be shared between > different applications - a shared library would do a much better job, and in > this case, libghttp & libwww both exist and do the job (libwww being the > "recommended" one for future apps). A shared library would _work_ for this one case, but I wouldn't say it'd be better. There are two problems with shared libraries for this sort of thing. You either have to: 1. Link to a specific library by name when building the program. This ties your program to a particular implementation. Or: 2. Define an API like XMMS does and allow the user to choose from one of the available libraries that implements that API. In this case, it'd be a file transferring API. A CORBA component would fix both of these problems, because you can just look up an implementation of a given interface by name. "Give me a file transfer component", your program says, and the ORB figures out how to satisfy that request. Maybe the back end will be implemented by gftp, maybe by Midnight Commander, and maybe it'll be a custom dedicated component. Your program doesn't know or care, so long as it satisfies the required interface. -- = Warren = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 12463 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 03:40:52 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA30064 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:40:52 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA04852 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 23:41:03 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: where is corba? Date: 15 Aug 1999 03:41:03 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 29 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <37B62F6E.DAF0EDF7@cyberport.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 934688463 4808 207.175.42.154 (15 Aug 1999 03:41:03 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 15 Aug 1999 03:41:03 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 14 Aug 1999 23:10:18 -0400, Warren Young wrote: >A shared library would _work_ for this one case, but I wouldn't say it'd >be better. There are two problems with shared libraries for this sort >of thing. You either have to: > >1. Link to a specific library by name when building the program. This >ties your program to a particular implementation. There wouldn't be any reason to switch implementations. libwww provides both a modular framework for registering and using protocol handlers, and implementations for commonly used protocols (http, ftp, news, file, etc.). >A CORBA component would fix both of these problems, because you can just >look up an implementation of a given interface by name. "Give me a file >transfer component", your program says, and the ORB figures out how to >satisfy that request. Maybe the back end will be implemented by gftp, >maybe by Midnight Commander, and maybe it'll be a custom dedicated >component. Your program doesn't know or care, so long as it satisfies >the required interface. You can do this with libwww. libwww IS the interface to use to all the various protocol handlers such as gftp/mc/etc. If CORBA is ever actually needed for a protocol implementation, it's perfectly possible to use, but libwww already exists and does the job well, so there's no reason to waste effort on duplicating what it does in a more resource-intensive manner. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From blaze@relay.pair.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 19215 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 05:03:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 05:03:33 -0000 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA21249 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:03:33 -0400 Received: from EISolutions.com (blaze@usr56k-90.rowan.edu [150.250.56.90]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id BAA01622 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:10:09 -0400 (EDT) Sender: blaze@relay.pair.com Message-ID: <37B60E76.B5D1298C@EISolutions.com> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 00:48:54 +0000 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Help! E-Problems Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Maybe offtopic, sorry. I just upgraded the version of Enlightenment that came with RH 6 to 15.0.5-99 (the current version?) I first used GnoRPM to upgrade the current E package and then restarted the X server. The X server starts fine but when E is starting an error appears that says "E couldn't find the configuration for the theme I was trying to load and it probably can't find any config files". It says it is looking in ${prefix}/share/enlightment . This should be /usr/ I don't know where this ${prefix} variable should be set and why E is not looking in the directory it did before the upgrade. I then did rpm --nodeps -ev enlightment-0.15.5-99 to unistall completely then rpm -ivh enlightment-0.15.5-99.tar.gz to reinstall E. Everything installs fine, but these configuration errors show up. I have not upgraded Gnome, it's the default RH 6 install. Any help? Thanks, Michael From bishopm@holly.ColoState.EDU Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 23687 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 07:44:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 07:44:48 -0000 Received: from eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (root@eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.90]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA02475 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:44:48 -0400 Received: from holly.ColoState.EDU (holly.ACNS.ColoState.EDU [129.82.100.76]) by eagle.ACNS.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA63636 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:44:42 -0600 Received: from localhost (bishopm@localhost) by holly.ColoState.EDU (AIX4.3/UCB 8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id BAA20362 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:44:42 -0600 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 01:44:42 -0600 (MDT) From: Matthew Bishop To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Dirk-Jan C. Binnema wrote: >Gnome File Dialog >----------------- >I know this has come up before, but IMHO the GtkFileDialog is not really >sufficient for end-user apps. I think there should be a richer dialog, with >at least file type filtering. I'd say we leave the GtkFileDialog nice and >spartan as it is, and put the extra's in some GnomeFileDialog. I would like file type filtering also. >Another nice feature in a FileDialog are standard directories. In a dialog >to, say, open some pixmap, it would be very nice if it offered some >shortcuts >to user-defined dirs with pixmaps. Same for sounds, fonts etc. >Maybe some funky GMC Bonobo component would do.... I like the "standard directories" idea too. I would like to suggest that this be implemented as recently visited directories. An example of this is in the Interface Hall of Fame at http://www.iarchitect.com/fame.htm#FAME4. This makes for smarter applications that learn where files are kept from normal user interaction. Matt Bishop From ricardo@pc1.micasa Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 27259 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 10:26:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 10:26:14 -0000 Received: from pc1.micasa ([195.76.247.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA06642 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 06:26:01 -0400 Received: from nettaxi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc1.micasa (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02002; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:24:41 +0200 Sender: ricardo@pc1.micasa Message-ID: <37C3C465.AEE35CE9@nettaxi.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:24:37 +0200 From: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= Pascual Reply-To: ricardoF@nettaxi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: es, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Tromey , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Personalizable toolbars library References: <37C2AA29.E03C80CF@nettaxi.com> <199908141836.LAA13696@ferrule.cygnus.com.> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Tom Tromey wrote: > I like this idea as well. I think that menubars should also be personalizable. They can be treated in a very similar way. I'll add this to the lib. (when it became usable) > > I'd rather we didn't require libglade in every program wanting this > capability. I'd rather it be written just using Gtk+, and put in > libgnomeui, so that we encourage every program to use it. OTOH I think libglade should be part of the standard gnome distribution, so that we encourage any program that would benefice of it to use it without any dependencies penalty. It's really a nice piece of software :) Using libglade adds some benefits to libptb: ease to implement, it uses a (de facto) standard format, complex toolbars will be posible without any problem, anyone could edit the template files with glade wich is very nice... -- Ricardo Fernández Pascual ricardoF@nettaxi.com Murcia. Espańa. From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 18420 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 12:06:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 12:06:09 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09297 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 08:06:07 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in179.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.179]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id OAA58868 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 14:06:03 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:08:07 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:08:07 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-config vs. gnome-xml Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! I have a big problem building the latest CVS-gnome. Many apps that use gnome-xml do not build correctly because they cannot find gnome-xml, libxml or stop with unresolved symbols. It looks like the gnome-xml-check.m4 macro is using `gnome-config --libs xml` running this command gives me: Unknown library `xml' gnome-xml is definitely installed because: $ xml-config --libs -L/opt/gnome/lib -lxml -lz For me the problem occures because gnome-xml does not install the xmlConf.sh. After installing xmlConf.sh manually the `gnome-config --libs xml` works fine. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From martinez@eecs.cwru.edu Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 7546 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 15:38:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 15:38:22 -0000 Received: from alpha.ces.cwru.edu (alpha.CES.CWRU.Edu [129.22.16.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA17155 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:38:21 -0400 Received: from picardo.cwru.edu (picardo [129.22.16.107]) by alpha.ces.cwru.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA05518 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:38:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by picardo.cwru.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id LAA01302; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:38:16 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:38:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Juan Martinez X-Sender: martinez@picardo.ces.cwru.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: restoring minimized, sticky windows Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello everyone, I'm using enlightenment and all the latest RPMs from RedHat's site for GNOME. Does anyone know why a minimized, sticky window restores itself in another virtual screen instead of the one I'm looking at? This happens with all applications and it's frustrating having to move around until the pager shows me where the window was restored. I'd appreciate any help and can provide more information if necessary. --Juan Martinez From mperry@tsoft.com Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 22758 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 16:13:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 16:13:00 -0000 Received: from shell.tsoft.com (root@shell.tsoft.com [198.144.192.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18538 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:12:59 -0400 Received: from mperry.ppp.tsoft.com (root@mperry.ppp.tsoft.com [198.144.207.221]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA10506 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mperry@localhost) by mperry.ppp.tsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA00884 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:11:23 -0700 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 09:11:23 -0700 From: Michael Perry To: Gnome List Subject: Jpilot and gnome Message-ID: <19990815091123.A861@tsoft.com> Reply-To: Michael Perry Mail-Followup-To: Gnome List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i I recently went on what I believed to be another fruitless search for a program to allow me to manage my information on my palm on my linux desktop I have used pilot-link, could not compile pilot-manager, tried the new Palm Desktop which ships with Shelf 2.1 from applix, and still did not have what I wanted. Enter jpilot which basically does synching both ways and includes desktop software applications to manage each area on the palm. I bring this up because its a really nice application which includes all of the functionality of the "other one" on windows. It would be nice if this application could be rolled into the gnome stuff since it already does synching both ways and has a functional look and feel. The program requries gtk 1.2 or above. I have not seen this on the software map for gnome but it does have the characteristic gtk look and feel and one could implement it within gnome as *the gnome pilot software* quite easily since its already at the 0.93 level. It does require the pilot-link and pilot-link-devel for redhat 6. Check out http://jpilot.linuxbox.com for more details plus rpm and tarball archives of the program and some nice screenshots. I could not get the latest release to work in RH6 but am coordinating this with the developer. The 0.92 release works quite well here. -- Michael Perry - "No one can give you wiser advice mperry@tsoft.com .o O than yourself" -Cicero ' ) \ Gnome: at www.gnome.org!! \ _) where happiness is a state of foot. From prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:32 2000 Received: (qmail 23373 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 16:13:26 -0000 Received: from wainpr.demon.co.uk (wainpr.demon.co.uk [158.152.73.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18559 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:13:24 -0400 Received: (from prw@localhost) by wainpr.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA22959; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:00:45 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:00:40 +0100 From: Peter Wainwright To: gnome-list@gnome.org, submit@bugs.gnome.org Subject: bonobo/ORBit bugs Message-ID: <19990815170040.B8502@wainpr.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 Package: bonobo Version: CVS, 14/8/99 bonobo/test-container segfaults if I try to launch a Gnumeric worksheet from within it. Part of the problem is probably my old version of gnumeric which crashes when sent a GNOME_Unknown_query_interface message. However, bonobo should be able to recover gracefully from this. I tracked down the problem to gnome-object-client.c. Apparently when querying the PersistentFile interface, gnome_object_restore_from_url assumes that a non-NULL return value means that the call has succeeded. However, the stubs generated by the ORBit IDL compiler seem to return an undefined value when an exception is encountered. The problem can be fixed by the following patch to bonobo. However, I don't know whether this is the right thing to do, or whether ORBit really should return CORBA_OBJECT_NIL on error. Also, in the same situation when the server dies, "CRITICAL" errors are generated in the ORBit stubs because giop_send_buffer_unuse / giop_recv_buffer_unuse are called at the _ORBIT_system_exception label, even though the buffer pointers have already been set to NULL (of course this is merely a cosmetic problem). My bonobo patch: diff -U3 -r bonobo-old/bonobo/gnome-object-client.c bonobo/bonobo/gnome-object-client.c --- bonobo-old/bonobo/gnome-object-client.c Sat Aug 14 20:34:15 1999 +++ bonobo/bonobo/gnome-object-client.c Sun Aug 15 16:34:32 1999 @@ -167,6 +167,7 @@ */ persist = (GNOME_PersistFile) GNOME_Unknown_query_interface ( rtn, "IDL:GNOME/PersistFile:1.0", &ev); + if (ev._major != CORBA_NO_EXCEPTION) persist = NULL; if (persist) { gboolean success = FALSE; @@ -192,6 +193,7 @@ persist = GNOME_Unknown_query_interface ( rtn, "IDL:GNOME/PersistStream:1.0", &ev); + if (ev._major != CORBA_NO_EXCEPTION) persist = NULL; CORBA_exception_free (&ev); Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 3630 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 16:30:06 -0000 Received: from wainpr.demon.co.uk (wainpr.demon.co.uk [158.152.73.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19341 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:30:04 -0400 Received: (from prw@localhost) by wainpr.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA10657; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:22:10 +0100 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 17:22:09 +0100 From: Peter Wainwright To: Martin Hawlisch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-config vs. gnome-xml Message-ID: <19990815172209.B1368@wainpr.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:08:07 Martin Hawlisch wrote: > > Hi! > > I have a big problem building the latest CVS-gnome. > > Many apps that use gnome-xml do not build correctly because they cannot > find gnome-xml, libxml or stop with unresolved symbols. > > It looks like the gnome-xml-check.m4 macro is using > `gnome-config --libs xml` > > running this command gives me: > Unknown library `xml' > > gnome-xml is definitely installed because: > $ xml-config --libs > -L/opt/gnome/lib -lxml -lz > > For me the problem occures because gnome-xml does not install the > xmlConf.sh. > > After installing xmlConf.sh manually the `gnome-config --libs xml` works > fine. > > > Cheers, Martin. > It seems that the code in xml that installed xmlConf.sh has vanished in the latest CVS. to put it back, try applying this patch (also puts xmlConf.sh in a generated RPM): diff -U3 -r gnome-xml-old/Makefile.am gnome-xml/Makefile.am --- gnome-xml-old/Makefile.am Sat Aug 14 20:46:10 1999 +++ gnome-xml/Makefile.am Sun Aug 15 13:15:10 1999 @@ -198,6 +198,11 @@ fi ; fi ; done) +confexecdir=$(libdir) +confexec_DATA = xmlConf.sh + +EXTRA_DIST = xmlConf.sh.in + Validtests : tester @echo "##" @echo "## Validity checking regression tests" diff -U3 -r gnome-xml-old/libxml.spec.in gnome-xml/libxml.spec.in --- gnome-xml-old/libxml.spec.in Sat Aug 14 20:46:12 1999 +++ gnome-xml/libxml.spec.in Sun Aug 15 13:33:02 1999 @@ -1,7 +1,7 @@ # Note that this is NOT a relocatable package %define ver @VERSION@ %define RELEASE SNAP -%define rel %{?CUSTOM_RELEASE} %{!?CUSTOM_RELEASE:%RELEASE} +%define rel prw31 %define prefix /usr Summary: libXML library @@ -106,4 +106,5 @@ %{prefix}/lib/lib*.so %{prefix}/lib/*a +%{prefix}/lib/*.sh %{prefix}/include/* Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 6885 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 16:37:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 16:37:44 -0000 Received: from tux.w3.org (veillard@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19601 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:37:43 -0400 Received: (from veillard@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA07216; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:37:29 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 12:37:29 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: Peter Wainwright Cc: Martin Hawlisch , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-config vs. gnome-xml Message-ID: <19990815123729.E17428@w3.org> Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org References: <19990815172209.B1368@wainpr.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: <19990815172209.B1368@wainpr.demon.co.uk>; from Peter Wainwright on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 05:22:09PM +0100 Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C http://www.w3.org/) > It seems that the code in xml that installed xmlConf.sh has vanished in > the latest CVS. to put it back, try applying this patch (also puts xmlConf.sh > in a generated RPM): I will aply this patch (except the onne changin the versionning number ing on the RPMs), Daniel -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : Tel: +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, Fax: +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. From arapi@lanet.com.pe Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 18071 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 17:02:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 17:02:17 -0000 Received: from mail.lanet.com.pe (Teleglobe.net [209.58.60.253] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA20799 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:02:14 -0400 Received: from INFOVIA.INFOVIA ([209.58.74.123]) by mail.lanet.com.pe (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA19462 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:50:47 -0500 Message-ID: <006e01bee73f$c9a767e0$7b4a3ad1@INFOVIA.INFOVIA> From: "arlinux" To: Subject: Panel Error Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 11:55:55 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 1 X-MSMail-Priority: High X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 Greetings to the list. I have the following problem using Gnome, appears me the message "gmc--sm -config -prefix /gmc - No2ysV/ No response to the SaveYourself command, the program can be slow, stopped or broken, you may want it to respond or mevover it." When indicating to Cancel the message appears again and if I indicate to be removed it eliminates the inferior bar of the Gnome, hanging everything. Is an error in panel, that is to say the inferior bar of Gnome, the one error appears from time to time and it hangs everything, i wanted they can give me one hint of what is happening. Also when leaving graphic way by way of console, the message appears Xlib:Client is not authorized to connect the server Xscreensaver: Can't open display: : 0 Xscreensaver: initial effective uid/gid was root/root Xscreensaver: running as nobody/nobody (99/99) ... rm: cannot remove ' root.gnome//gmc-pPf90I ' Thank you for their help. From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 1680 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 17:35:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 17:35:07 -0000 Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (mailout05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.153]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22310 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 13:35:05 -0400 Received: from fwd10.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.170]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11G4BT-0002xy-00; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:35:03 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.102]) by fwd10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:34:46 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA13424 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:50:35 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:50:31 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" Message-ID: <19990815185031.A13421@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gnome Icon Status Report ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ as of August 15th, 1999 by mawa WHAT'S GOING ON? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Tigert is still alive and well, painting icons and collecting contributed ones like he should. Unfortunately, he hasn't got much time to add them to CVS. Miguel has thus granted me the permission to do what is necessary to integrate i.e. the new icons that Ben Frantzdale has collected and/or made. Not only Ben, but a couple of other people have made icons, too; keep up the good work! Here, I am slowly collecting, sorting and renaming them to finally throw them into the Mighty Tree's ever-hungry mouth. The maintainer of GITHNYBM, the list of Gnome Icons That Have Not Yet Been Made, has granted me the permission to update this list, which can be found in the gnome-icons CVS module. Whoever wants to make icons should check that module out and have a look. A point for those who want to make icons: Icons should be icons and not logos. They shouldn't contain text. `Icons' such are those of X-Chat and Screem, which are essentially nothing but logos, become illegible pixel messes when scaled down. It would be very nice if the X-Chat and Screem people could make their icons more icon-like. Iain would like icons for .orig and .in files. Maybe someone can do those, maybe he will (?). Having had a completely nonrepresentative look over some applications, I think that it would be good if the next version of libgnomeui had a "MOVE" stock pixmap. What do you think? Maybe the panel menu folders should use panel-folder.png instead of gnome-folder.png... or is that pixmap to be considered obsolete? THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Yours truly has written his second bit of Gnome code and thrown pixmaps into the panel context menu. The patch will be accepted AFAIK. It fills up seven positions with already-existing artwork. Applet desktop entries changed and committed: The drive mount applet now uses mc/i-floppy.png; the CD player applet uses mc/i-cdrom.png; the PPP applet uses gnome-networktool.png; the mixer applet uses gnome-mixer.png (Jacob); the gweather applet now installs tstorm.xpm and uses it (Jacob). I have mailed the developer of the Bulb applet; Bulb is probably going to use bulb/eteint.png which already exists as its icon. X-Chat 1.1.x now features an icon (but it's rather a logo; see above). Gnibbles actually comes with an icon, but no one noticed. Patched it so it is used. Gnome DiskFree installs and uses gnome-diskfree.png. ESD Volume Meter installs and uses gnome-vumeter.png. gMix installs and uses gnome-mixer.png. gnome-sync installs and uses gnome-sync.png. Gnome Search Tool installs and uses gnome-searchtool.png. Stripchart Plotter installs and uses gnome-stripchart.png gnome-color-xterm.png, gnome-clock.png, gnome-ccdesktop.png and gnome-laptop.png are now installed by gnome-core and appropriately used (foot menu / Add Applet menu / control center subtree). MISSING ICONS IN THE FOOT MENU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Submenu icons: - Applications - Games - Graphics - Utilities - Administration - Panel Games: - Gnotravex - gTuring Graphics: - ggv Internet: (10) - Gnome Mailman System: - GnoRPM is using "foot question mark" icon - Shut Down or Reboot Settings Submenus: - Multimedia - Peripherals Settings: - User Interface Options - Gnome Edit Properties - Mime Types - Shut Down or Reboot User Interface Options: - Application Defaults (20) - MDI Utilities: - System Info (guname) - User Listing (gw) - Text File Viewer (gless) - Gnome Penguin - Font Selector - guiTAR - System monitor using "foot question mark" icon - GDict Administration: - GULP MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Main panel context menu: (30) - System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) - User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) - Add applet - Add swallowed app - Convert to corner panel "Add Applet" submenus: - Amusements - Monitors - Utility Amusements submenu: - Fish - Fifteen (40) - Game of Life - SlashApp - gEyes Clocks: - Clock - AfterStep Clock - Clock and Mailcheck - JBC Binary Clock - Another Clock Monitors: - Battery Charge Monitor - CPU/MEM Usage (50) - Disk Usage - CPULoad - MemLoad - SwapLoad - NetLoad Multimedia: - Sound Monitor Network: - Mailcheck - Web Control - Clock and Mailcheck (60) - Modem Lights Utility: - Character Picker - Gnome Pager - Mini Commander - GDict - Tick-a-Stat - Task List - Desk Guide - Where am I? - GNotes! (70) - QuickLaunch - Process management (gproc) CONFLICTS ~~~~~~~~~ - Foot menu: "About" and "About Gnome..." using same icon - Balsa and TkRat using same icon - GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon - Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon - Sound properties, Multimedia submenu using same icon - gEdit should use its own icon and not gnome-word.png - Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu using same icon (OK IMHO) - same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in applet menu (80) - "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same icon - "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show bookmarks window" in the help browser using same stock pixmap TOTAL ~~~~~ We're down to about 82 icons, that's about the number I had estimated that could be reached by quickly fixing things. And that's what's happened in the last week. We have considerably spiced up the menu, and the work will go on. Thanks to all who have contributed. REMARKS ~~~~~~~ Send any ideas, remarks or contributions to me as I have now got official permission to add them to the CVS tree. Have a look at GITHNYBM (as soon as I have updated it :) if you want to make icons. mawa -- Look at the community. Look at how fast they turn the crank. They know how to create a desktop environment out of the middle of nowhere in less than two years - how could there be a company not scared by this? -- mawa From silovic@zesoi.fer.hr Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 15234 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 19:57:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 19:57:51 -0000 Received: from petra.zesoi.fer.hr. (petra.zesoi.fer.hr [161.53.64.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA30966 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:57:49 -0400 Received: (from silovic@localhost) by petra.zesoi.fer.hr. (8.8.8/8.8.3 ZEMS) id VAA12339; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:47:06 +0200 (MET DST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: development ideas (was Re: where is corba?) References: <37B62F6E.DAF0EDF7@cyberport.com> From: Miroslav Silovic Date: 15 Aug 1999 21:47:06 +0200 In-Reply-To: sopwith@redhat.com's message of "15 Aug 1999 03:41:03 GMT" Message-ID: <7e3dxkltc5.fsf_-_@zesoi.fer.hr> Lines: 60 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) writes: > There wouldn't be any reason to switch implementations. libwww provides > both a modular framework for registering and using protocol handlers, and > implementations for commonly used protocols (http, ftp, news, file, etc.). Actually there is another problem. libwww is C-specific, and to use it from another language requires glue code. While this is 'just another lib', right now when you bind GNOME to another languange, there is large number of libs that need foreign function interface. While binding each particular lib is easy, the sheer volume of the work becomes formidable - and then version tracking comes into play. I think this is a serious problem, because I see GNOME's language independance as a major feature. So I think that some form of automated language binding generator is called for. Some language bindings actually already have one in place - so I think it would be a boon to write unified specification of GNOME APIes (ones that aren't covered with CORBA) that could serve as a base for binding generators. There are several issues that make information stored in headers insufficient for this: - Some GNOME function take glist to form a sequence. But they don't specify the object type that glist points to, which makes typechecking impossible for Guile or Perl. Some other functions take sequences in two-parameter form: ElementType *ptr, int number_of_elements And in some cases, pointer signifies storage for data return - Headers don't specify *meanings* of the fields in GNOME datastructure. For example, they don't tell how to create/copy/free things (and for things like GnomeHelpMenuEntry, there is no way to instantiate/free the struct). So I think it would be great to have files like libgdk.glue, libgtk.glue, libgnome.glue, or even libxml.glue that are current GNOME releases and contain enough information to bind GNOME to any particular language without the pain of going through the entire API and specify each function. Files from gnome-guile could be a start. >From these files it would be easy for the language binding maintainers to implement a specific binding. On another note, once GIMP introduced script-fu and gimp-perl, there came out some really useful scripts that probably took very little time to write. And then there is GIMP plugin system. Which gives another idea for GNOME: most of the GNOME apps I see in the app list on www.gnome.org are just that - applications. It would be nice to see *small* scripts (in guile, perl, python or whatever) and small C apps that automate simple things and perhaps interoperate with other similar scripts. With things like dialog cauldron and Canvas and gnome-db it should be possible to do some real work in 100 lines of C (and even more work in 100 lines of Perl). Organizational issue would be forming GNOME applet registry (similar to GIMP plugin registry), GNOME script registry and, of course, ORBit component registry. -- I refuse to use .sig From david@ritter.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 21432 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 20:13:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 20:13:37 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA31658 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:13:37 -0400 Received: from ritter.demon.co.uk ([158.152.5.227]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11G6et-000Ath-0B for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:13:35 +0000 Received: from ritter.demon.co.uk (david@ritter [158.152.5.227]) by ritter.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA03186 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:29:50 +0100 Sender: david@ritter.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37B7152E.1B8AFD5A@ritter.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:29:50 +0100 From: David Knight X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" References: <19990815185031.A13421@audrey> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Matthias Warkus wrote: > A point for those who want to make icons: Icons should be icons and > not logos. They shouldn't contain text. `Icons' such are those of > X-Chat and Screem, which are essentially nothing but logos, become > illegible pixel messes when scaled down. It would be very nice if the > X-Chat and Screem people could make their icons more icon-like. I'm open to submissions for a Screem icon if anyone feels like making one. David -- The superior man understands what is right; the inferior man understands what will sell. -- Confucius From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 23459 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 20:17:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 20:17:40 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA31897 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:17:39 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in74.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.74]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id WAA58762; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:17:27 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:19:36 +0200 (CEST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:19:35 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: Daniel Veillard cc: Peter Wainwright , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-config vs. gnome-xml In-Reply-To: <19990815123729.E17428@w3.org> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Daniel Veillard wrote: > > It seems that the code in xml that installed xmlConf.sh has vanished in > > the latest CVS. to put it back, try applying this patch (also puts xmlConf.sh > > in a generated RPM): > > I will aply this patch (except the onne changin the versionning > number ing on the RPMs), > > Daniel Great! Works for me now. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 26293 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 20:21:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 20:21:30 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA32067 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:21:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id QAA28747; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:21:23 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:21:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" In-Reply-To: <19990815185031.A13421@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here are some of the requested ones: http://www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/ --Ben From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 9947 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 20:46:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 20:46:25 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA00667 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:46:25 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.149]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:46:40 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37B2DED4.D7AC00DA@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:48:53 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zakaria CC: "gnome-list@gnome.org" , "James M. Cape" Subject: Re: Usability: Keyboard & list, copy & paste References: <37B10658.D2C24B32@telkom.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Zakaria wrote: > choises that all is uncomportable (for me). > (a) you clear the edit box by selecting the edit box content by mouse > and hit the delete and lose your previous copied text. > (b) you clear the edit box by selecting the edit box and clear the > content by > keyboard (shift arrow the delete) and paste it with mouse. That's > to many > step (for me too :) > (c) you paste the _clipboard_ in the begining of the edit box and > delete the > remaining text (the old one). This is to many step either. In gtk+, you can mark text with right mouse button, so it doesnt go into clipboard and then click button2 to replace marked text with clipboard contents. -- BlackWine From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 4035 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 22:32:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 22:32:33 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06150 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:32:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id SAA29152; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:32:30 -0400 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: David Knight cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" In-Reply-To: <37B7152E.1B8AFD5A@ritter.demon.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to match the gnome look.) I've done some and put 'em at www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/kde_to_gnome/ --Ben From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 7071 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 22:41:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 22:41:05 -0000 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk (mail6.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.212]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA06542 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:41:05 -0400 Received: from modem-136.name53.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.186.136] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G8xa-0004ZS-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:41:02 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16176 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:36:08 GMT Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:36:08 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel Error Message-ID: <19990815233608.A11922@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <006e01bee73f$c9a767e0$7b4a3ad1@INFOVIA.INFOVIA> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <006e01bee73f$c9a767e0$7b4a3ad1@INFOVIA.INFOVIA>; from arlinux on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 11:55:55AM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * arlinux (arapi@lanet.com.pe) [990815 19:55]: > Greetings to the list. > I have the following problem using Gnome, appears me the message > "gmc--sm -config -prefix /gmc - No2ysV/ > No response to the SaveYourself command, the program can be slow, > stopped or broken, you may want it to respond or mevover it." > When indicating to Cancel the message appears again and if I indicate to be > removed it eliminates the inferior bar of the Gnome, hanging everything. > Is an error in panel, that is to say the inferior bar of Gnome, the one > error appears from time to time and it hangs everything, i wanted they can > give me one hint of what is happening. > Also when leaving graphic way by way of console, the message appears > > Xlib:Client is not authorized to connect the server > Xscreensaver: Can't open display: : 0 > Xscreensaver: initial effective uid/gid was root/root > Xscreensaver: running as nobody/nobody (99/99) > ... > rm: cannot remove ' root.gnome//gmc-pPf90I ' > > Thank you for their help. Let me guess, you're running X as root right? Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 29509 invoked from network); 15 Aug 1999 23:32:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 15 Aug 1999 23:32:15 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA08840 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:32:13 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-57.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.88]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA11316; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:31:49 +0100 Message-Id: <199908152331.AAA11316@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:34:36 +0200 To: blackwine@optimus.wroc.pl From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Re: Usability: Keyboard & list, copy & paste Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org >In gtk+, you can mark text with right mouse button, so it doesnt go into >clipboard and then click button2 to replace marked text with clipboard >contents. COOL! Now can anybody why this is not publiced? This must be in the docs, with big letters. GSR From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 6950 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 00:00:40 -0000 Received: from mailout05.btx.dtag.de (mailout05.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.153]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA10138 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 20:00:39 -0400 Received: from fwd15.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.175]) by mailout05.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11GACc-00060Z-00; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:00:38 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.55]) by fwd15.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:00:37 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA19304 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:13:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:13:14 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: development ideas (was Re: where is corba?) Message-ID: <19990815231314.A19274@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37B62F6E.DAF0EDF7@cyberport.com> <7e3dxkltc5.fsf_-_@zesoi.fer.hr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <7e3dxkltc5.fsf_-_@zesoi.fer.hr>; from Miroslav Silovic on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:47:06PM +0200 X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) +++ Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:47:06PM +0200 +++ Miroslav Silovic e-mails me. Film at 11. Reply right now, after the break. [good ideas] > On another note, once GIMP introduced script-fu and gimp-perl, there > came out some really useful scripts that probably took very little > time to write. And then there is GIMP plugin system. Which gives > another idea for GNOME: most of the GNOME apps I see in the app list > on www.gnome.org are just that - applications. It would be nice to see > *small* scripts (in guile, perl, python or whatever) and small C apps > that automate simple things and perhaps interoperate with other > similar scripts. With things like dialog cauldron and Canvas and > gnome-db it should be possible to do some real work in 100 lines of C > (and even more work in 100 lines of Perl). Wow. Those things should be really easy to write. In an afternoon maybe. Why don't you write a couple? mawa -- `Through' Pronunciation Only Reason For Estefan Success, Wealth Film at 11 From mr.scott@operamail.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 20370 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 02:07:25 -0000 Received: from operamail.com (OperaMail.com [199.29.68.79]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA16795 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:07:25 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Sun, 15 Aug 99 22:08:27 -0400 X-WebMail-UserID: mr.scott Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:08:27 -0400 Sender: Michael Scottaline From: Michael Scottaline To: David Knight , gnome-list X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000001 Subject: RE: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" Message-ID: <37BBF68E@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.51.04 >===== Original Message From David Knight ===== >Matthias Warkus wrote: > >> A point for those who want to make icons: Icons should be icons and >> not logos. They shouldn't contain text. `Icons' such are those of >> X-Chat and Screem, which are essentially nothing but logos, become >> illegible pixel messes when scaled down. It would be very nice if the >> X-Chat and Screem people could make their icons more icon-like. > >I'm open to submissions for a Screem icon if anyone feels like making one. > > >David How about a small icon with the likeness of Edvard Munch's painting?? ;o) From zakaria@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 25282 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 02:12:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 02:12:54 -0000 Received: from jktmail03.indosat.net.id (mail.indosat.net.id [202.155.15.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA17024 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:12:37 -0400 Received: from 202.155.26.233 ([202.155.26.233]) by jktmail03.indosat.net.id with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1877.977.9); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:11:23 +0700 Received: (qmail 32147 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 01:46:29 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO telkom.net) (zakaria@127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 01:46:29 -0000 Sender: zakaria@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37B76D74.32703CE7@telkom.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 08:46:28 +0700 From: Zakaria X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.07 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Kuba Winnicki CC: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Usability: Keyboard & list, copy & paste References: <37B10658.D2C24B32@telkom.net> <37B2DED4.D7AC00DA@optimus.wroc.pl> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Kuba Winnicki wrote: > > Zakaria wrote: > > > choises that all is uncomportable (for me). > > (a) you clear the edit box by selecting the edit box content by mouse > > and hit the delete and lose your previous copied text. > > (b) you clear the edit box by selecting the edit box and clear the > > content by > > keyboard (shift arrow the delete) and paste it with mouse. That's > > to many > > step (for me too :) > > (c) you paste the _clipboard_ in the begining of the edit box and > > delete the > > remaining text (the old one). This is to many step either. > > In gtk+, you can mark text with right mouse button, so it doesnt go into > clipboard and then click button2 to replace marked text with clipboard > contents. > > -- BlackWine Oops, doesn't work for me :( Tried with gftp, gmc in gtk+-1.2.3-1 from Dax's gurulabs. Is it the gtk or is it me? :) cu, Zakaria From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 27340 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 07:36:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 07:36:47 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA30339 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 03:36:46 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA04689 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:34:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12144 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:36:08 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:41:18 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: where is gmc ? References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit On solaris 2.6, I installed mc but didn't get gmc ? any information would be appreciated -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 10607 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 08:17:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 08:17:56 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA31993 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:17:54 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA00956; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:18:22 +0200 To: Ben Frantzdale Cc: David Knight , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" References: From: Preben Randhol Date: 16 Aug 1999 10:18:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ben Frantzdale's message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Ben Frantzdale writes: | I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a | bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them | per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to | match the gnome look.) Yes please don't use them as is. They are horrible. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From silovic@zesoi.fer.hr Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 12251 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 08:20:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 08:20:31 -0000 Received: from petra.zesoi.fer.hr. (petra.zesoi.fer.hr [161.53.64.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA32144 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 04:20:30 -0400 Received: (from silovic@localhost) by petra.zesoi.fer.hr. (8.8.8/8.8.3 ZEMS) id KAA13667; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:09:51 +0200 (MET DST) To: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: development ideas (was Re: where is corba?) References: <37B62F6E.DAF0EDF7@cyberport.com> <7e3dxkltc5.fsf_-_@zesoi.fer.hr> <19990815231314.A19274@audrey> From: Miroslav Silovic Date: 16 Aug 1999 10:09:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: mawarkus@t-online.de's message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:13:14 +0200" Message-ID: <7ezozskuy9.fsf@zesoi.fer.hr> Lines: 10 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) writes: > Wow. Those things should be really easy to write. In an afternoon > maybe. Why don't you write a couple? Because I'm busy trying to get some bigger apps to work. Which doesn't mean I won't write a couple Real Soon Now (tm). :) -- I refuse to use .sig From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 17297 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 09:45:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 09:45:19 -0000 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA02447 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 05:45:18 -0400 Received: from modem-110.cerium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.28.238] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GJKO-0003F0-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:45:17 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA01645 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:13:34 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:13:34 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: where is gmc ? Message-ID: <19990816101334.A1061@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr>; from Jean Raymond Chauviere on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 09:41:18AM +0200 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Jean Raymond Chauviere (Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr) [990816 10:10]: > On solaris 2.6, > I installed mc but didn't get gmc ? > > any information would be appreciated There are two separate packages, mc and gmc. You must install them both if you want gmc. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 6299 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 17:05:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 17:05:19 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA04000 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:05:18 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id NAA32024; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:04:55 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Preben Randhol cc: David Knight , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I assume you ment the kde icons :-) I'd like to think the ones I poasted are decent. --Ben On 16 Aug 1999, Preben Randhol wrote: > Ben Frantzdale writes: > > | I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a > | bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them > | per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to > | match the gnome look.) > > Yes please don't use them as is. They are horrible. > > -- > Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think > [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." > [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. > `_) n o m e > From sgage@micron.woodlot Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 29868 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 18:42:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 18:42:22 -0000 Received: from micron.woodlot (root@[204.71.147.103]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23851 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:42:09 -0400 Received: from tds.net (IDENT:sgage@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by micron.woodlot (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA01296 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:41:45 -0400 Sender: sgage@micron.woodlot Message-ID: <37B85B69.CC4E68B5@tds.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:41:45 -0400 From: Steve Gage X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Modem Lights Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello folks, I've been trying to get the 'modem lights' panel applet to work without success. I can get it to dial and connect using ppp0, but it never recognizes the connection - always says 'not connected' - and doesn't show any modem activity. Running RH 6.0 with latest gnome rpms from them. Any ideas? TIA, Steve From tim@mail1.javanet.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 6441 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:01:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:01:50 -0000 Received: from mail1.javanet.com (mail1.javanet.com [205.219.162.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25401 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:01:49 -0400 Received: from javanet.com (armory-hiper1228.javanet.com [209.150.32.230]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA07542 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:01:47 -0400 (EDT) Sender: tim@mail1.javanet.com Message-ID: <37B8601B.CACFA9AA@javanet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:01:47 +0000 From: Tim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9-27mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: config files References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit why do you need to use gnome if the user will only be using netscape? it would seem more logical to start any old WM with only a netscape button on the dock. just be careful that users can't use netscape to save over the WM's rc file (or any other file, for that matter) to add buttons to the dock. Colin wrote: > > Hi there all. I'm kind of a newbie and I just want to know: where are the > global config files for gnome? There are some generated one's that pop > into your home dir when you first start gnome or make any cahnges, but I'd > like to know where the main ones are > > Specifically, I want to edit the menu that pops up when you right click on > a panel. I want to create a user which can only start netscape and log > out, nothing else. The local config files don't seem to have any options > for that panel menu, and the "user guide" doesn't even mention it, or > indeed anything about editing config files. > > Help is much appreciated! > > cheers Colin > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From chtom@colba.net Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 8628 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:04:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:04:38 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (root@pm4-s1.colba.net [206.186.139.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25584 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:04:37 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:Chris@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA02895 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:08:03 -0400 From: Christiane Tom To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Modem Lights Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:00:32 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.24] Content-Type: text/plain References: <37B85B69.CC4E68B5@tds.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081615080300.02740@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > I've been trying to get the 'modem lights' panel applet to work without > success. I can get it to dial and connect using ppp0, but it never > recognizes the connection - always says 'not connected' - and doesn't > show any modem activity. > Hi Steve, Check the properties of the applet - the default commands are "ppp on" and "ppp off", change them to "ifup ppp0" and "ifdown ppp0" - It worked for me ! Chris From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 11707 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:10:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:10:20 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA25973 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:10:19 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GS9B-0004HD-0B; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:10:18 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA25121; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:09:43 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37B861F4.15C6E87D@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:09:40 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean Raymond Chauviere , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME: compiling on sun 2.6 References: <000a01bee4f6$4a74aa00$0201a8c0@mindcrime.djb.nl> <37B3CF97.4DC7AAB@cetelem.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the Solaris report. I am suprised that you had to manually specify some libraries. Are these not specified in LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? For db, which piece of code did you modify? I have not had to do this, but that is possibly my mistake... Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > It's first necesary to visit: > > http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk/computer/gnome > > I only finished to compile gnome-libs and preceding stuff but can already > > sum up some problems. They comes mainly from (generated) Makefiles where it miss some > > libraries to link. > > I had to modify many makefiles adding : > > -lgif -ltiff -lpng -ldb > > These libraries are in /usr/local/bin and --prefix=/usr/local/wm/gnome > > About db, it was also necessary to replace dbopen by db_open in some piece of > > code. > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 12995 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:11:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:11:10 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26049 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:11:09 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GSA0-0004M0-0B; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:11:08 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA25141; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:11:03 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37B86245.D933C0B2@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:11:01 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jean Raymond Chauviere , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: where is gmc ? References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gmc is built automatically as part of the mc package. ./configure should report something like the following: Configuration: Source code location: . Compiler: /usr/local/bin/gcc Compiler flags: -O3 -msupersparc -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include File system: Midnight Commander Virtual File System tarfs, mcfs, ftpfs, fish Text mode screen manager: SLang (system-installed library) with terminfo Install console saver: no Text mode mouse library: xterm only Text mode X11 support: no Debugger code: none With subshell support: yes X11 versions: Gnome+ Internal editor: yes Install path: /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib/mc make install will install the binary as gmc, although you can find it in the source tree as ./gnome/plain-gmc after compilation. If you didn't get plain-gmc, watch out for any errors during configure or make that might cause gmc to be skipped. Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > On solaris 2.6, > I installed mc but didn't get gmc ? > > any information would be appreciated > -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From tim@mail1.javanet.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 16202 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:13:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:13:23 -0000 Received: from mail1.javanet.com (mail1.javanet.com [205.219.162.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA26360 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:13:23 -0400 Received: from javanet.com (armory-hiper1228.javanet.com [209.150.32.230]) by mail1.javanet.com (8.9.3/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA00141 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:13:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: tim@mail1.javanet.com Message-ID: <37B862D1.4285A4D2@javanet.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:13:21 +0000 From: Tim X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.9-27mdk i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Modem Lights References: <37B85B69.CC4E68B5@tds.net> <99081615080300.02740@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit you should also change "modem lock file" in the advanced tab. if ppp0 uses /dev/modem, it will be "/var/lock/LCK..modem", if it uses /dev/ttyS1 it will be "/var/lock/LCK..ttyS1", etc. you may also need to uncheck "verify owner of lock file". Christiane Tom wrote: > > > > > I've been trying to get the 'modem lights' panel applet to work without > > success. I can get it to dial and connect using ppp0, but it never > > recognizes the connection - always says 'not connected' - and doesn't > > show any modem activity. > > > Hi Steve, > > Check the properties of the applet - the default commands > are "ppp on" and "ppp off", change them to "ifup ppp0" and > "ifdown ppp0" - It worked for me ! > > Chris > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From martinez@eecs.cwru.edu Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 6777 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:52:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:52:08 -0000 Received: from alpha.ces.cwru.edu (alpha.CES.CWRU.Edu [129.22.16.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29444 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:52:07 -0400 Received: from picardo.cwru.edu (picardo [129.22.16.107]) by alpha.ces.cwru.edu (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id PAA17176; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:52:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost by picardo.cwru.edu (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id PAA03561; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:52:04 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:52:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Juan Martinez X-Sender: martinez@picardo.ces.cwru.edu To: Steve Gage cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Modem Lights In-Reply-To: <37B85B69.CC4E68B5@tds.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII You might try checking the lock file created. By default, modem lights is looking for '/var/lock/LCK..modem' I believe the status of the connection is determined by the existence of this file. If your script is creating '/var/lock/LCK..cua0' then you'll have to either change your script to use /dev/modem or change the setting in the 'Advanced' tab of modem lights to match the file your scripts are creating. --Juan "The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates, The Road Ahead On Mon, 16 Aug 1999, Steve Gage wrote: > Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:41:45 -0400 > From: Steve Gage > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Modem Lights > Resent-Date: 16 Aug 1999 18:42:24 -0000 > Resent-From: gnome-list@gnome.org > Resent-cc: recipient list not shown: ; > > Hello folks, > > I've been trying to get the 'modem lights' panel applet to work without > success. I can get it to dial and connect using ppp0, but it never > recognizes the connection - always says 'not connected' - and doesn't > show any modem activity. > > Running RH 6.0 with latest gnome rpms from them. Any ideas? > > TIA, > > Steve > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 11117 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 19:58:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 19:58:09 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29895 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:58:08 -0400 Received: from modem-214.name53.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.186.214] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GStR-0000uQ-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:58:06 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28355 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:56:04 GMT Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:56:04 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: where is gmc ? Message-ID: <19990816205604.A28000@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr> <37B86245.D933C0B2@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <37B86245.D933C0B2@clanger9.demon.co.uk>; from Paul Barnfather on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 08:11:01PM +0100 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Paul Barnfather (plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk) [990816 20:40]: > gmc is built automatically as part of the mc package. Yes but if you use rpm packages, you'll need both the mc and gmc rpms. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From sgage@micron.woodlot Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 21717 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 20:15:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 20:15:50 -0000 Received: from micron.woodlot (root@[204.71.147.103]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA31489 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:15:48 -0400 Received: from tds.net (IDENT:sgage@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by micron.woodlot (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA01443 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:15:44 -0400 Sender: sgage@micron.woodlot Message-ID: <37B8716F.31C6357@tds.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:15:44 -0400 From: Steve Gage X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [Fwd: Re: Modem Lights] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Turns out it was /var/lock/LCK..ttyS1. I had originally set up ppp0 using /dev/modem, and forgot that I'd redone it using /dev/ttyS1. All is working fine now. Thanks to all who responded! - Steve Tim wrote: > > you should also change "modem lock file" in the advanced tab. if ppp0 > uses /dev/modem, it will be "/var/lock/LCK..modem", if it uses > /dev/ttyS1 it will be "/var/lock/LCK..ttyS1", etc. you may also need to > uncheck "verify owner of lock file". > > Christiane Tom wrote: > > > > > > > > I've been trying to get the 'modem lights' panel applet to work without > > > success. I can get it to dial and connect using ppp0, but it never > > > recognizes the connection - always says 'not connected' - and doesn't > > > show any modem activity. > > > > > Hi Steve, > > > > Check the properties of the applet - the default commands > > are "ppp on" and "ppp off", change them to "ifup ppp0" and > > "ifdown ppp0" - It worked for me ! > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From itp@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 26182 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 20:23:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 20:23:50 -0000 Received: from smtp3.erols.com (smtp3.erols.com [207.172.3.236]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA32066 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:23:49 -0400 Received: from geodesic.penguinpowered.com (216-164-243-6.s6.tnt11.lnh.md.dialup.rcn.com [216.164.243.6]) by smtp3.erols.com (8.8.8/8.8.5) with ESMTP id QAA09360; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:20:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itp by geodesic.penguinpowered.com with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11GTEd-0000E5-00; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:19:59 -0400 Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:19:59 -0400 From: Ian Peters To: Juan Martinez Cc: Steve Gage , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Modem Lights Message-ID: <19990816161959.A850@geodesic.penguinpowered.com> Reply-To: Ian Peters Mail-Followup-To: Juan Martinez , Steve Gage , gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37B85B69.CC4E68B5@tds.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Juan Martinez on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 03:52:04PM -0400 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 03:52:04PM -0400, Juan Martinez wrote: > You might try checking the lock file created. > > By default, modem lights is looking for '/var/lock/LCK..modem' > I believe the status of the connection is determined by the > existence of this file. > > If your script is creating '/var/lock/LCK..cua0' then you'll > have to either change your script to use /dev/modem or change > the setting in the 'Advanced' tab of modem lights to match the > file your scripts are creating. Note you really should not be using cua* devices. Linux 2.2 frowns upon cua, and 2.4 won't know what you're talking about. Use ttyS* instead. -- Ian Peters | GnuPG Key ID 5C23D20C | "They shout about love but when push itp@gnu.org | E584 2558 FAC3 BEAB EFAC | comes to shove, they live for things itp@acm.org | FC74 CFED 7E24 5C23 D20C | they're afraid of." -- Neal Peart From johne@bellatlantic.net Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 18608 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 20:49:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 20:49:19 -0000 Received: from flyswatter.localmachine (client-151-197-126-193.bellatlantic.net [151.197.126.193]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02727 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:48:40 -0400 Received: from flyswatter.localmachine (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by flyswatter.localmachine (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA27318; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:46:33 -0400 From: John Ellis To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Modem Lights Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:44:08 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.24] Content-Type: text/plain Cc: Steve Gage MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081616463200.27315@flyswatter.localmachine> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Steve Gage wrote: >I've been trying to get the 'modem lights' panel applet to work without >success. I can get it to dial and connect using ppp0, but it never >recognizes the connection - always says 'not connected' - and doesn't >show any modem activity. Make sure the lock file in the advanced properties is correct. On newer distributions, it may be something like /var/lock/LCK..ttyS0 - you can check by looking in the /var/lock directory while you are connected. -John -- John Ellis http://gqview.netpedia.net From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 19737 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 21:25:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 21:25:48 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f85.hotmail.com [216.32.181.85]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA08334 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:25:47 -0400 Received: (qmail 37817 invoked by uid 0); 16 Aug 1999 21:25:16 -0000 Message-ID: <19990816212516.37816.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:25:16 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gppp applet Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 17:25:16 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm sure this message has been posted before, but since I just subscribed the newsgroup I need to ask - every time I try to run Gppp I get a message that saids that pppd died unexpectedly. I have been able to get to the net by means of using a program/script called pppsetup. All I do in the prompt is type ppp-go and it connects me - and I'm not root when I do it. Is there a reason why Gppp gives me that - pppd died unexpectedly - message? Thank you. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From pyromage@ync.net Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 25685 invoked from network); 16 Aug 1999 23:24:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 16 Aug 1999 23:24:28 -0000 Received: from mail1.ync.net (mail1.ync.net [206.185.20.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA23768 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:24:28 -0400 Received: from pyromage (root@ync-dialup-056.ync.net [206.185.21.56]) by mail1.ync.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA29878 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:37:56 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ync.net via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:25:36 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:25:36 -0500 From: Mike To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Saving panel config Message-ID: <19990816182536.A679@pyromage> Reply-To: Mike Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9 The session manager I have now doesn't work especially well. It doesn't save settings a lot of the time and (on a daily basis so far, if not more often) have to recreate my panels. All I want to know is how to save the config. I have it how i like it and i do NOT want to change it. How can I do that? -- #include "signature.h" From syanora@ams.sunysb.edu Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 5268 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 00:15:14 -0000 Received: from amirani.ams.sunysb.edu (amirani.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA30205 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:13 -0400 Received: from totem (totem.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.13]) by amirani.ams.sunysb.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id UAA17127 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:11 -0400 (EDT) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Arun Venkatarangan Message-Id: <199908170015.UAA17127@amirani.ams.sunysb.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Mouse configuration Help Please Hi, Am a newbie to gnome. I am using enlightnment and gnome on top of it. Now I wish to have 4 seperate desk tops (not one divided into 4 virtual ones). The problem is with the mouse settings. one of the desktops the one I initially encounter seems to have reasonable mouse functions but the other 3 seem to have some problems. Let me elaborate. I have a generic microsoft 2button ps/2 mouse ( yuck ). The right button produces a menu with new (terminal,directory, launcher) etc. left button produces nothing ( just changes temporarily how the pointer looks) and pressing bothe buttones to gether produces another menu with gnome applications etc all this in the first desktop. in the other 3 desktops onlu the middle button (pressing both buttons together) works. I have 2 questions how do I configure the mouse so that I can specify my own menus. secondly how do I make it work uniformly across desktops. Any pointers emailed to me will be greatly appreciated. Thanks Arun. From mikejunior@geocities.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 30221 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 01:31:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 01:31:31 -0000 Received: from gateway2.dhl.com (lhr249a.dhl.com [198.141.197.249]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05131 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:31:30 -0400 Received: from hkg-co.hkg-co.HK.DHL.COM by gateway2.dhl.com with ESMTP (DHLGMS 4.08-DSI) id VAA18146; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itdpc200 by hkg-co.hkg-co.HK.DHL.COM with SMTP (DHLGMS 4.07-DSI) id JAA16153; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:30:42 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <00ac01bee84f$c0be25e0$c8e428c7@hkgco.hk.dhl.com> From: "Michael" To: Subject: Compiling GNome with gcc-2.95 and glibc-2.1.1 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:27:53 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEE892.C809B060" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEE892.C809B060 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have some problem compiling GNome with gcc-2.95. When I compile libgtop, gcc told me that there are some error with the "asm" lines, which are assembly. Did anyone got this problem too? Michael ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEE892.C809B060 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Michael Lam.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Michael Lam.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Lam;Michael FN:Michael Lam NICKNAME:Michael EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:mlam@hkg-co.hk.dhl.com EMAIL;INTERNET:mikejunior@geocities.com REV:19990817T012753Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_00A9_01BEE892.C809B060-- From weberd@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 15476 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 01:54:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 01:54:28 -0000 Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA07073 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:54:27 -0400 Received: from austin.rr.com ([24.28.70.177]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:54:10 -0500 Sender: weberd@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37B8C164.B58859C4@austin.rr.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:56:52 -0500 From: Daniel Weber Organization: Sematech X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Sigh.... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit So I've been having a lot of luck with gnome lately, cruising along. Until yesterday when my fiance and I decided to work on a budget. So I fire up gnumeric.... and it dies. Kept complaining about not being able to locate the file ~/.gnome/fonts/fontmap Sure enough, the file doesn't exist. Sigh... GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. Cannot read file /root/.gnome/fonts/fontmap : gzopen failed: No such file or directory Cannot read file /usr/share/fonts/fontmap : gzopen failed: No such file or directory ** WARNING **: gnome_font_new_closest: font family Helvetica not found ** ERROR **: Could not load the default font aborting... Funny, it worked a couple of version ago.... Checked the rpm with -V, no problems. Sigh. So I fired up the simple calculator to just add up the numbers we had on a list. And discovered that the simple calculator insisted on putting two copies of everything into the screen, whether it was from the mouse buttons or the keypad or the keyboard. Sigh.... So I fire up the new gftp program to look for updates. The new version has wiped out all my setups. Oh well, it's a 2.0.x version, I'll just create them again ... except whenever I change one bookmark it changes the description on all of them. Then it locks up trying to go up a directory on cdrom.com. Sigh.... Of course I still can't play two games of freecell in a row either b/c it segfaults. Sigh... Sure isn't the best way to impress your fiance with linux and gnome...... Guess I'll start to figure out what the problem is with the session manager, try and figure out why gnome-games won't compile with the new rh6 egcs compiler and surff around for updates. Not the way I had planned on spending my evening. Guess the budget will wait until tomorrow. Sigh..... From ryan_derrickson@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:33 2000 Received: (qmail 28259 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 02:10:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 02:10:01 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (f81.hotmail.com [207.82.250.187]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA09213 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:10:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 22951 invoked by uid 0); 17 Aug 1999 02:09:29 -0000 Message-ID: <19990817020929.22950.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 209.162.145.235 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:09:28 PDT X-Originating-IP: [209.162.145.235] From: "ryan derrickson" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Resolution Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:09:28 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I am very new. I can't get any better than 640x480 resolution. I'm using red Hat v.6. My video card was listed during setup but the install kept failing while creating monitor settings. Now that Linux is loaded, how can I change my resolution. Thanks. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 4126 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 03:13:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 03:13:06 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA15384 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:13:05 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom1-122.telepath.com [216.14.1.122]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA25068; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:13:01 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37B8D49E.480D1A04@telepath.com> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:18:54 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ryan derrickson CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Resolution References: <19990817020929.22950.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit ryan derrickson wrote: > > I am very new. I can't get any better than 640x480 resolution. I'm using red > Hat v.6. My video card was listed during setup but the install kept failing > while creating monitor settings. Now that Linux is loaded, how can I change First update your XFree86 files check http://www.redhat.com/corp/support/errata/RHSA1999013_02.html Double check you get and are using the right Xserver, grab the newer font set if it is newer a quick way to check if a rpm is new than what you have is from a terminal window type rpm -q FOO.rpm then compare if version numbers are different go with the new one. More good reading after getting your server in shape you need to run a configurator from the command line with out Xwindows running. There are two that installed with a stock redhat 6.0 cd [Xconfigurator] menu-driven just type: Xconfigurator when it asks what resolution you can pick more than one after Xwindows starts use ctrl alt, and the + from the number pad to change resolution on the fly. [xf86config] scary text tool but works very very well type: man xf86config I prefer [XF86Setup] I found my copy in the powertools section from the Redhat 5.2 CD you can find it ftp there also. Hero Geeks hand edit there /etc/X11/XF86Config file I saw this done at a LUG meeting If you are careful...... Dennis Lee From mr.scott@operamail.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 27992 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 03:36:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 03:36:20 -0000 Received: from operamail.com (OperaMail.com [199.29.68.79]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16537 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:36:20 -0400 X-WM-Posted-At: operamail.com; Mon, 16 Aug 99 23:37:27 -0400 X-WebMail-UserID: mr.scott Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:37:27 -0400 Sender: Michael Scottaline From: Michael Scottaline To: "ryan derrickson" , gnome-list X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00000001 Subject: RE: Resolution Message-ID: <37BEF4C9@operamail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: InterChange (Hydra) SMTP v3.51.04 >===== Original Message From "ryan derrickson" ===== >I am very new. I can't get any better than 640x480 resolution. I'm using red >Hat v.6. My video card was listed during setup but the install kept failing >while creating monitor settings. Now that Linux is loaded, how can I change >my resolution. Thanks. >From a console, as root, type XF86Setup. A graphical set up program will appear to allow you to make adjustments. Mike From paul@mantra.anvil_6 Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 5022 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 03:58:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 03:58:44 -0000 Received: from mantra.anvil_6 (p49-max10.wlg.ihug.co.nz [202.49.241.241]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA18222 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:58:41 -0400 Received: from ihug.co.nz (mantra.anvil_6 [192.168.0.101]) by mantra.anvil_6 (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA03437 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:05:09 +1200 Sender: paul@mantra.anvil_6 Message-ID: <37B8DF74.6C1B33CB@ihug.co.nz> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:05:08 +1200 From: Paul Dorman X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: GNOME LIST Subject: Re: Sigh.... References: <37B8C164.B58859C4@austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there Daniel, I had this same problem some time ago. What you need to do is install gnome-print from a tar ball. The RPM I used didn't work properly. Naughty you for being root too ;o) Best regards, Paul Dorman. Wellington, New Zealand. Daniel Weber wrote: > > So I've been having a lot of luck with gnome lately, cruising along. > Until yesterday when my fiance and I decided to work on a budget. So I > fire up gnumeric.... and it dies. Kept complaining about not being able > to locate the file ~/.gnome/fonts/fontmap Sure enough, the file doesn't > exist. Sigh... > > GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: > Authentication Rejected, reason : None of the authentication protocols > specified are supported and host-based authentication failed. > Cannot read file /root/.gnome/fonts/fontmap : > gzopen failed: No such file or directory > Cannot read file /usr/share/fonts/fontmap : > gzopen failed: No such file or directory > > ** WARNING **: gnome_font_new_closest: font family Helvetica not found > > ** ERROR **: Could not load the default font > aborting... > > Funny, it worked a couple of version ago.... > > Checked the rpm with -V, no problems. Sigh. > > So I fired up the simple calculator to just add up the numbers we had on > a list. And discovered that the simple calculator insisted on putting > two copies of everything into the screen, whether it was from the mouse > buttons or the keypad or the keyboard. Sigh.... > > So I fire up the new gftp program to look for updates. The new version > has wiped out all my setups. Oh well, it's a 2.0.x version, I'll just > create them again ... except whenever I change one bookmark it changes > the description on all of them. Then it locks up trying to go up a > directory on cdrom.com. Sigh.... > > Of course I still can't play two games of freecell in a row either b/c > it segfaults. Sigh... > > Sure isn't the best way to impress your fiance with linux and > gnome...... > > Guess I'll start to figure out what the problem is with the session > manager, try and figure out why gnome-games won't compile with the new > rh6 egcs compiler and surff around for updates. Not the way I had > planned on spending my evening. Guess the budget will wait until > tomorrow. Sigh..... From Sydney_Weidman@mbnet.mb.ca Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 7916 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 04:15:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 04:15:43 -0000 Received: from access.mbnet.mb.ca (root@access.mbnet.mb.ca [204.112.54.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA22145 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:15:42 -0400 Received: from mbnet.mb.ca (IDENT:weidmans@annex03-03.mbnet.mb.ca [207.161.101.100]) by access.mbnet.mb.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id XAA15863; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:15:37 -0500 (CDT) Sender: Sydney_Weidman@mbnet.mb.ca Message-ID: <37B8E1AD.CDCC85C9@mbnet.mb.ca> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:14:37 -0500 From: Sydney Weidman Organization: SW Data Systems X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Daniel Weber CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sigh.... References: <37B8C164.B58859C4@austin.rr.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel Weber wrote: > > So I've been having a lot of luck with gnome lately, cruising along. > Until yesterday when my fiance and I decided to work on a budget. So I [snip] > > Of course I still can't play two games of freecell in a row either b/c > it segfaults. Sigh... > > Sure isn't the best way to impress your fiance with linux and > gnome...... > [snip] The freecell problem is fixed in the newest version of the GNOME RPMS. I can now waste even more time than I did before... :-) Cheers! Syd. From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 2596 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 08:22:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 08:22:53 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA16463 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:22:52 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA03205; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:23:17 +0200 To: Ben Frantzdale Cc: David Knight , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" References: From: Preben Randhol Date: 17 Aug 1999 10:23:17 +0200 In-Reply-To: Ben Frantzdale's message of "Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:04:54 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Ben Frantzdale writes: | I assume you ment the kde icons :-) I'd like to think the ones I poasted | are decent. Yes I meant the kde icons :-) -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 12762 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 08:33:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 08:33:50 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA18039 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:33:49 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01062; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:31:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18252; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:33:32 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B91F8F.1EDA0CCB@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:38:39 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Barnfather CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME: compiling on sun 2.6 References: <000a01bee4f6$4a74aa00$0201a8c0@mindcrime.djb.nl> <37B3CF97.4DC7AAB@cetelem.fr> <37B861F4.15C6E87D@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Yes, I have /usr/local/lib in my LD_LIBRARY_PATH but I had to add the library on the $(LINK) lines (the loop for , find Makefile and sed was a good help...) I didn't undestand why it was necessary and didn't look for.. I have also a problem with a 'db2html' when I install. I didn't find this module that is surely a translator to install doc. about db: when you launch 'nm libdb.a' you can see that there is a function db_open and not dbopen. So, I had to replace dbopen by db_open (sed, sed...). Unless I got 'unresolved...'. An other thing: I compiled for solaris 2.6 and solaris 2.7. I have more problem with the second. > Thanks for the Solaris report. > > I am suprised that you had to manually specify some libraries. > Are these not specified in LD_LIBRARY_PATH ? > > For db, which piece of code did you modify? I have not had to > do this, but that is possibly my mistake... > > Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > > > It's first necesary to visit: > > > > http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk/computer/gnome > > > > I only finished to compile gnome-libs and preceding stuff but can already > > > > sum up some problems. They comes mainly from (generated) Makefiles where it miss some > > > > libraries to link. > > > > I had to modify many makefiles adding : > > > > -lgif -ltiff -lpng -ldb > > > > These libraries are in /usr/local/bin and --prefix=/usr/local/wm/gnome > > > > About db, it was also necessary to replace dbopen by db_open in some piece of > > > > code. > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | > | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | > o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 17868 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 08:36:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 08:36:19 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA18452 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:36:18 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01128; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:34:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18391; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:36:17 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B92036.41D3B784@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:41:26 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Paul Barnfather CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: where is gmc ? References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr> <37B86245.D933C0B2@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit yes, gmc is in the gnome subdirectory of mc dir compile. It was well compiled but didn't install cause an error by lack of db2html that stopped the make. I have done a make -i and it installed. JRC Paul Barnfather wrote: > gmc is built automatically as part of the mc package. > > ./configure should report something like the following: > > Configuration: > > Source code location: . > Compiler: /usr/local/bin/gcc > Compiler flags: -O3 -msupersparc > -I/usr/local/lib/glib/include -I/usr/local/include > File system: Midnight Commander Virtual File System > tarfs, mcfs, ftpfs, fish > Text mode screen manager: SLang (system-installed library) with > terminfo > Install console saver: no > Text mode mouse library: xterm only > Text mode X11 support: no > Debugger code: none > With subshell support: yes > X11 versions: Gnome+ > Internal editor: yes > Install path: /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/lib/mc > > make install will install the binary as gmc, although > you can find it in the source tree as ./gnome/plain-gmc after > compilation. > > If you didn't get plain-gmc, watch out for any errors during > configure or make that might cause gmc to be skipped. > > Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > > > On solaris 2.6, > > I installed mc but didn't get gmc ? > > > > any information would be appreciated > > > > -- > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | > | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | > o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 20723 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 08:39:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 08:39:36 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA19104 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:39:35 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA01219; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:37:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA18569; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:39:34 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B920FC.3B4267ED@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:44:44 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gilbert CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: where is gmc ? References: <19990813134317.A31449@chanae.alphanet.ch> <199908131624.MAA01951@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> <37B7C09E.92E7122A@cetelem.fr> <37B86245.D933C0B2@clanger9.demon.co.uk> <19990816205604.A28000@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit somme poor people need to recompile... 1) if you don't find solaris package 2) if your boss (he says it's for security reasons...) ask to to recompile every thing coming from the net... :-( JRC Tom Gilbert wrote: > * Paul Barnfather (plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk) [990816 20:40]: > > gmc is built automatically as part of the mc package. > > Yes but if you use rpm packages, you'll need both the mc and gmc rpms. > > Tom. > -- > .-------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 23336 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 08:44:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 08:44:07 -0000 Received: from arachne.aba.gov.au ([203.111.47.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA19444 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 04:43:59 -0400 Received: from pluto.aba.gov.au ([202.14.232.15]) by arachne.aba.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id SAA32592 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:45:38 +1000 Received: by pluto.aba.gov.au with VINES-ISMTP; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:49:24 +1000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:49:22 AES Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: From: (Andrew MacIntyre) Reply-To: Errors-to: Subject: non-root accounts & "halt"/"reboot" options when logging out X-Incognito-SN: 1771 X-Incognito-Version: 5.0.1.93 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I've just installed RedHat 6 (workstation cfg), running xdm. Its intended use is such that I would like to have the users be able to shut it down or reboot it as they would a W95 box (it is in fact a dual boot with W95), without needing to know the root password. Gnome, as installed by the RH6 installer, seems ready to support such a configuration, but it only works for the root account. The Gnome user-guide seems to imply that this should work for users as well. I've searched both the RedHat and Gnome web sites, and the online help without being able to find out for sure if a user should be able to exit Gnome with either the "halt" or "reboot" options, and if so what I need to do to make it work. I expected this to be an FAQ, but apparently not.... FWIW, the user accounts were created with useradd, using the standard skeleton supplied by RH6. Can anyone shed any light on this for me? Thanks in advance, Andrew. From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 10607 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 09:31:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 09:31:36 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA21284 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:31:36 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA02459 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:29:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21492 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:31:34 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B92D2C.D71DD040@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:36:44 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: mail reader with ldap Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Is there, with gnome compliance or without, a mail reader that can get LDAP services from a LDAP server (like netscape but not netscape..) Thank you JRC -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From project@sadnet.de Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 18853 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 09:54:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 09:54:26 -0000 Received: from deathstar.net (root@sad58.sad.dabay.net [195.222.115.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA22141 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 05:54:25 -0400 Received: (from project@localhost) by deathstar.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02677 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:52:25 +0200 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:52:25 +0200 From: Markus Teich To: Gnome -List- Subject: problem with gnome please help Message-ID: <19990817115225.A2669@sadnet.de> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome -List- Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i X-OS: Linux 2.2.10 i686 hi all i have a problem with gnome when i want to select something in the gnome control center i get the following error message: GnomeUI-CRITICAL **: file gnome-font-picker.c: line 491 (gnome_font_picker_set_font_name): assertion `fontname != NULL' failed. Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x1c0007e Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x1c0007e Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0x1c0007e can anyone help me on this..? thanx in advance markus From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 6452 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 10:34:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 10:34:07 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA24080 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 06:34:03 -0400 Received: (qmail 3577 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 10:33:58 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-145.insigma.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 10:33:58 -0000 Received: (qmail 15548 invoked by uid 1000); 17 Aug 1999 10:33:57 -0000 Message-ID: <19990817113357.H489@insigma.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:33:57 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Saving panel config Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990816182536.A679@pyromage> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <19990816182536.A679@pyromage>; from Mike on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 06:25:36PM -0500 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 06:25:36PM -0500, Mike wrote: > The session manager I have now doesn't work especially well. It doesn't > save settings a lot of the time and (on a daily basis so far, if not more > often) have to recreate my panels. All I want to know is how to save the > config. I have it how i like it and i do NOT want to change it. How can I do > that? I've just started getting this, too. In particular, any panels other than the default one aren't saved; that panel comes up with only the default applets (foot and clock) plus my launchers - I lose the pager and mixer applets which I always have there. I'm also having problems with interactions between e and GNOME on configuring the root backdrop; if I tell GNOME not to configure the root, then e won't configure it for the first desktop. If I tell GNOME to, obviously it wins over e - either way I have to reset them by hand every time I log in. Problem with e, or problem with GNOME (I assume the former)? James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From vyncent@caramail.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 7220 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 11:27:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 11:27:55 -0000 Received: from mailbox.caramail.com (mailbox1.caramail.com [195.68.99.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27073 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:27:54 -0400 Received: from caramail.com (www7.caramail.com [195.68.99.27]) by mailbox.caramail.com (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id NAA13063 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:27:22 +0100 (WET DST) Posted-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:27:22 +0100 (WET DST) From: vincent barichard To: Gnome-list Message-ID: <934888313025942@caramail.com> X-Mailer: Caramail - www.caramail.com Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: Re: non-root accounts & "halt"/"reboot" options when logging out Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:27:35 GMT+1 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=_NextPart_Caramail_025942934888313_ID" This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --=_NextPart_Caramail_025942934888313_ID Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable When you are Root, try to set the SID option to the /sbin/shutdown prg (the option s of chmod : chmod s+a). After all users can call "shutdown -h now" for turn off and "shutdown -r now" for reboot. You can add aliases for these commands, it's more friendly. > -------Message d'origine------- > De : (Andrew MacIntyre) > Date : 17/08/99 10:44:19 > > I've just installed RedHat 6 (workstation cfg), running xdm. Its intended use is such that I would like to have the users be able to shut it down or reboot it as they would a W95 box (it is in fact a dual boot with W95), without needing to know the root password. > > Gnome, as installed by the RH6 installer, seems ready to support such a configuration, but it only works for the root account. The Gnome user-guide seems to imply that this should work for users as well. > > I've searched both the RedHat and Gnome web sites, and the online help without being able to find out for sure if a user should be able to exit Gnome with either the "halt" or "reboot" options, and if so what I need to do to make it work. I expected this to be an FAQ, but apparently not.... > > FWIW, the user accounts were created with useradd, using the standard skeleton supplied by RH6. > > Can anyone shed any light on this for me? > > Thanks in advance, > Andrew. > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > ______________________________________________________ Bo=eete aux lettres - Caramail - http://www.caramail.com --=_NextPart_Caramail_025942934888313_ID-- From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 13307 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 11:47:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 11:47:18 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28244 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:47:16 -0400 Received: from modem-105.name41.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.180.105] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ghhy-0006pz-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:47:14 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA02002 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:55:01 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:55:01 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: non-root accounts & "halt"/"reboot" options when logging out Message-ID: <19990817115501.B801@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew MacIntyre on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 06:49:22PM +0000 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Andrew MacIntyre (andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au) [990817 11:12]: > I've just installed RedHat 6 (workstation cfg), running xdm. Its intended use is such that I would like to have the users be able to shut it down or reboot it as they would a W95 box (it is in fact a dual boot with W95), without needing to know the root password. > > Gnome, as installed by the RH6 installer, seems ready to support such a configuration, but it only works for the root account. The Gnome user-guide seems to imply that this should work for users as well. > > I've searched both the RedHat and Gnome web sites, and the online help without being able to find out for sure if a user should be able to exit Gnome with either the "halt" or "reboot" options, and if so what I need to do to make it work. I expected this to be an FAQ, but apparently not.... > > FWIW, the user accounts were created with useradd, using the standard skeleton supplied by RH6. > > Can anyone shed any light on this for me? > > Thanks in advance, > Andrew. > Run linuxconf as root, go to the user accounts tab, select user accounts, and select a user to edit. Go to the priviledges tab and you'll see an option called "May shutdown". If you enable this, the user will be able to shutdown/reboot. If you select Granted, the user is asked for *his* password (not roots) when he runs the shutdown command. If you select Granted/Silent I *think* he isn't asked for a password of any kind (untested, I use Granted). Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From otaylor@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 17632 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 11:51:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 11:51:12 -0000 Received: from fresnel.labs.redhat.com (otaylor@fresnel.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.57]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA28755 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:51:12 -0400 Received: (from otaylor@localhost) by fresnel.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA02130; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 07:57:43 -0400 To: Cc: Subject: Re: non-root accounts & "halt"/"reboot" options when logging out References: From: Owen Taylor Date: 17 Aug 1999 07:57:42 -0400 In-Reply-To: (Andrew MacIntyre)'s message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:49:22 AES" Message-ID: Lines: 40 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070088 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.88) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii (Andrew MacIntyre) writes: > I've just installed RedHat 6 (workstation cfg), running xdm. Its > intended use is such that I would like to have the users be able to > shut it down or reboot it as they would a W95 box (it is in fact a > dual boot with W95), without needing to know the root password. > > Gnome, as installed by the RH6 installer, seems ready to support > such a configuration, but it only works for the root account. The > Gnome user-guide seems to imply that this should work for users as > well. It should work. It does work on every RH 6 installation I've seen. Are you running the default RH 6 GNOME packages? Note that if you select "halt" or "reboot" as a user, you will be prompted for the user's password. If you don't want to require even that, then you can edit: /etc/pam.d/shutdown to look like /etc/pam.d/xserver One possibility if things are not working is that you've customized the login to the point where the user is not getting registered as the console user on the box. (Does /var/lock/console/$USER exist?) I actually haven't tried testing this with xdm instead of gdm, but I believe it should work in that case too. Regards, Owen From allbery@ece.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 5885 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 12:20:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 12:20:03 -0000 Received: from ece.cmu.edu (ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.200]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA03924 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:20:03 -0400 From: allbery@ece.cmu.edu Received: from ece.cmu.edu (allbery@HILFY.ECE.CMU.EDU [128.2.236.133]) by ece.cmu.edu (8.9.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id IAA21470; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:19:56 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908171219.IAA21470@ece.cmu.edu> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:19:53 -0400 (EDT) Reply-To: allbery@ece.cmu.edu Subject: Re: GNOME: compiling on sun 2.6 To: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <37B91F8F.1EDA0CCB@cetelem.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 17 Aug, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: +----- | I have also a problem with a 'db2html' when I install. I didn't find | this module that is surely a translator to install doc. +--->8 Optional; if a build fails because you don't have db2html, report it as a bug. | when you launch 'nm libdb.a' you can see that there is a function | db_open and not dbopen. So, I had to replace dbopen by db_open +--->8 GNOME expects db-1.x, not db-2.x. (Should GNOME check for and use db_185.h?) -- brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu electrical and computer engineering KF8NH carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 7782 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 12:44:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 12:44:43 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA08665 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:44:42 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06241; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:42:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA00371; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:44:41 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37B95A6F.A20B93DF@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:49:51 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: allbery@ece.cmu.edu CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME: compiling on sun 2.6 References: <199908171219.IAA21470@ece.cmu.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit allbery@ece.cmu.edu wrote: > On 17 Aug, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > +----- > | I have also a problem with a 'db2html' when I install. I didn't find > | this module that is surely a translator to install doc. > +--->8 > > Optional; if a build fails because you don't have db2html, report it as > a bug. No, it isn't a bug. If every body report a bug when a make failed cause of a lack ( for a lib for instance or an other module) I believe life will be very hard for developper....:-) > > > | when you launch 'nm libdb.a' you can see that there is a function > | db_open and not dbopen. So, I had to replace dbopen by db_open > +--->8 > > GNOME expects db-1.x, not db-2.x. (Should GNOME check for and use > db_185.h?) > I compile with db-2 (compiled with --enable-185) and everything was fine execept for dbopen. > > -- > brandon s. allbery [os/2][linux][solaris][japh] allbery@kf8nh.apk.net > system administrator [WAY too many hats] allbery@ece.cmu.edu > electrical and computer engineering KF8NH > carnegie mellon university ["better check the oblivious first" -ke6sls] > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From dusk@ravendusk.org Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 5117 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 14:41:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 14:41:22 -0000 Received: from newton.pconline.com (root@newton.pconline.com [206.145.48.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA16605 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:41:21 -0400 Received: from ravendusk.org (smsi-roman.com [206.191.206.11]) by newton.pconline.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA08927 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:19 -0500 Message-ID: <37B9748F.D663AABF@ravendusk.org> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:19 -0500 From: John R Sheets Organization: SMSI X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: The Panel and Session Management Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Something funny's going on. I can get session management to work fine when I do it 100% through the panel. If I bring the panel up through gnome-session, and run apps through the panel's menu, those apps register themselves correctly with the session manager (I tested primarily with gtt). However, when I run those same apps from the command line, they fail to register properly, and are not added to that very same session. Also, when I run save-session, it complains that it can't connect to the session manager, which means that I can't bring that session down manually. Yet, when I Logout through the panel, the session saves and quits properly. This is great if I never leave the panel -- things work! But that's just a little too limiting for me. (c: So my question is, what could be going on here? Does the panel do some extra hocus pocus? My X Server & window manager are already running when I call gnome-session; could that have anything to do with it? What would allow the panel to connect to the session manager, but not save-session? Confused, John From syanora@ams.sunysb.edu Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 27660 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 15:13:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 15:13:36 -0000 Received: from amirani.ams.sunysb.edu (amirani.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA18737 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:13:15 -0400 Received: from totem (totem.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.13]) by amirani.ams.sunysb.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id LAA19285 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:13:05 -0400 (EDT) From: Arun Venkatarangan Message-Id: <199908171513.LAA19285@amirani.ams.sunysb.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Help Please I am kind of stuck here. Is there a way at all to configure mouse buttons when running gnome (over enlightenment) like when running fvwm. On the desktop left button brings up a user defined menu right button another user defined menu and both buttons simultaneously another menu. I am new to gnome/enlightenment and see a lot of nifty stuff but am kind of frustrated when I am not able to control the mouse the way I like it. This should be in the FAQ I am sure but is not wonder why. Mouse customisation is rather fundamental isn't it? rather frustrating to see that all mouse customisation menu brings up is accleration and threshold. Furthermore my mouse buttons do not work the same in all desktops. on desktop1 left mouse button does nothing right button and both buttons to gether bring up some menus while on desktop 2,3,4 left and right do nothing and only both buttons together work. Help me out here please. Arun. From dcm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 22691 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 15:45:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 15:45:32 -0000 Received: from chelseafc.labs.redhat.com (chelseafc.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.116]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21230; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:45:01 -0400 Received: (from dcm@localhost) by chelseafc.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA25103; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:47:56 -0400 To: gnome-hackers@nuclecu.unam.mx, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Once more into the breach. X-URL: From: "David C. Mason" Date: 17 Aug 1999 11:47:56 -0400 Message-ID: Lines: 60 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Gnomers, It is time once again to give you hell. Don't be offended, its my job. Young and old, smart and dumb, hackers and non-hackers can all reap the benefits of a well documented API so I am here to ask you again... Please help out with the GNOME API documentation! There is much to do and much to learn. We need all that is said upon the page of status: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/api-status.html and more. We need introductions to each area: libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnorba, and libart... we need editing, proofreading, tech-reviews. If it says 'Incomplete'... do it, if it says 'Needs Reformatting' look at it, fix it, or re-write it. If you don't know what to do, write me. If you want to work on GTK instead go to http://www.gtk.org/rdp This is no ordinary writing task my friends, This day is called the feast of Crispian: He that writes this day, and comes safe home, Will stand a tip-toe when the day is named, And rouse him at the name of Crispian. He that shall live this day, and see old age, Will yearly on the vigil feast his neighbors, And say 'To-morrow is Saint Crispian:' Then will he fire his browser and show his work. And say 'These words I had on Crispin's day.' Old men forget: yet all shall be forgot, But he'll remember with advantages What feats he did that day: then shall our names. Familiar in his mouth as household words Miguel the king, Quartic and Owen, Raph and Ettore, Nat and Sopwith, Be in their flowing cups freshly remember'd. This story shall the good man teach his son; And Crispin Crispian shall ne'er go by, >From this day to the ending of the world, But we in it shall be remember'd; We few, we happy few, we band of GNOME brothers; For he to-day that writes his words with me Shall be my brother; be he ne'er so vile, This day shall gentle his condition: And gentlemen in the GNOME community now a-bed Shall think themselves accursed they were not here, And hold their manhoods cheap whiles any speaks That wrote with us upon Saint Crispin's day. So email me good and young, and today we shall write. Dave -- David Mason Red Hat AD Labs dcm@redhat.com From Reagan@busprod.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 27679 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 15:48:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 15:48:00 -0000 Received: from mail.busprod.com (root@busprod.com [206.154.138.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA21539 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:48:00 -0400 Received: from busprod.com (ip163-tc1.bpsinet.com [208.171.129.163]) by mail.busprod.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA01277 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:41:01 -0500 Sender: Reagan@busprod.com Message-ID: <37B983F0.FB1B6FAD@busprod.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:46:56 -0500 From: xgv X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnomeicu 0.65 Sound? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Any gnomeicu users? I'm a newbie running intel Redhat6.0 and a gnome user... 1. I downloaded the 0.65 file. 2. cd into the appropriate directory and untarred it 3. cd into the appropriate directory and ./configure 4. make 5. make install This went smooth, no unexpected snags and I was very happy. After playing around a bit with the program I learned I can only get a "beep" and no "sound events". I'd really like to have the sound events working instead of the generic/cheesey "beep". What must this newbie do? Thanks in advance... Allan From syanora@ams.sunysb.edu Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 6922 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 16:00:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 16:00:37 -0000 Received: from amirani.ams.sunysb.edu (amirani.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22508 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:00:27 -0400 Received: from totem (totem.ams.sunysb.edu [129.49.6.13]) by amirani.ams.sunysb.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id MAA19602 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:00:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Arun Venkatarangan Message-Id: <199908171600.MAA19602@amirani.ams.sunysb.edu> To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome help browser errors Hi, The gnome help browser is supposed to have the capability of being able to take a url in the location area (eg http://www.gnome.org) but whne I try to do it or click on a url in the document I am browsing it craches if the url is http://www.* why?? Arun. From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 25349 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 16:58:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 16:58:05 -0000 Received: from mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (mailhub5.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26587 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:58:04 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp26-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.153]) by mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA96549 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:43 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14265.38101.610574.254657@localhost.localdomain> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:59:01 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Hello, I asked this question some time ago but didn't receive any answer. Alt-Tab is automatically configured to cycle through windows. However, it only cycles through a subset of them. Should I turn to Enlightenment people for this ? Does it work normally for someone ? I append below the packages I'm using. Thanks, Jacques Versions of packages used : ~ $ rpm -qa | grep gnome gnome-audio-1.0.0-6 gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-6 gnome-core-1.0.4-34 gnome-games-1.0.2-10 gnome-libs-1.0.8-8 gnome-linuxconf-0.22-1 gnome-media-1.0.1-3 gnome-pim-1.0.7-2 gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-4rh gnome-utils-1.0.1-6 switchdesk-gnome-1.7.0-1 ~ $ rpm -qa | grep enlight enlightenment-conf-0.15-5 enlightenment-0.15.5-100 From MStearne@eisolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 17540 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 17:20:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 17:20:19 -0000 Received: from relay.pair.com (relay1.pair.com [209.68.1.20] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA28767 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:20:19 -0400 Received: from eisolutions.com (marm134.dialup.jerseycape.net [208.243.77.134]) by relay.pair.com (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id NAA16815 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:27:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B9968D.2ADF2F40@eisolutions.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 13:06:21 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: New Gnome Panel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I was looking at a screen shot from Screem (http://screem.org) and it show the "G" gnome panel that was small, like 24px high. The Screem author said he got it from CVS. I was wondering if there is an RPM version of the new panel. Or, if I installed the rest of Gnome with the RPM version can I compile the new panel from source and use that? Thanks, Michael From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 9844 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 18:30:10 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA01939 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:30:09 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA11475; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:42:01 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:42:01 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: Jacques Du Pasquier cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <14265.38101.610574.254657@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Jacques Du Pasquier wrote: > I asked this question some time ago but didn't receive any answer. > > Alt-Tab is automatically configured to cycle through windows. However, > it only cycles through a subset of them. I've noticed this before too, though I have been too lazy to investigate. It seems that if you pause too long while cycling through the list, it starts over at the begning again. I also would love to be able to cycle through _all_ the windows, and not just those in my current virtual desktop or whatever E calls them. > Should I turn to Enlightenment people for this ? I am fairly certain that E controls this. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net There is no spoon -Neo (The Matrix) From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 18283 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 18:55:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 18:55:34 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04119; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:55:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA23156; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:53:50 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:53:49 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME Summary, August 8-August 15 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is the GNOME Summary for August 8-August 15. ============================================================= Table of Contents ------------------------------------------------------------- 1) Interview with Miguel 2) Write Docs! 3) Control Center Release 4) GNOME Mailer 5) Hacking Activity 6) New and Updated Software A bit late and a bit slim this week; we had a large meeting with all the developers, and I spent a lot of time organizing and summarizing that. However, hopefully we have some infrastructure in place to keep track of our progress toward the next release. We also made some decisions about our future roadmap. I'll try to report on some of these things in next week's summary. ============================================================== 1) Interview with Miguel -------------------------------------------------------------- Miguel chats with LinuxWorld magazine about future GNOME plans: http://www.linuxworld.com/linuxworld/linuxworldtoday/lwt-indepth8.html ============================================================== 2) Write Docs! -------------------------------------------------------------- Dave has a particularly inspired call to write API docs this week: http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-list/1999-August/0844.shtml The docs really are moving along, we just need those final few sections. ============================================================== 3) Control Center Release -------------------------------------------------------------- Control Center 1.0.6 is out. See www.gnome.org. UI Properties capplet is much nicer in this release, and some bugs are fixed. ============================================================== 4) GNOME Mailer -------------------------------------------------------------- Bertrand sent in this status report on the GNOME Mailer: http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/gnome-mailer-list/1999-August/0035.shtml If you're interested in hacking on this, sign up for the mailing list and check out the CVS module. Should be a cool project, and there's already lots of progress. ============================================================== 5) Hacking Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Over 500 commits this week. Module Score-O-Matic: 35 gimp 34 gnumeric 33 dryad 31 gb 29 web-devel-2 21 mc 21 gnome-core 20 gnome-mailer 19 gnome-applets 18 gnome-debug 16 web 16 gnome-xml 16 gnome-libs 16 ggdb 16 bonobo 14 control-center 13 gaby 11 libunicode 11 gnomeicu 11 gnome-print 11 gnome-media 11 gdm2 User Score-O-Matic: 53 martin 44 jcape 38 unammx 37 mmeeks 29 campd 28 mawarkus 28 kmaraas 23 jody 21 bertrand 17 mjr 16 veillard 14 owen 11 sopwith 11 pablo 10 jwise 10 fpeters ============================================================== 6) New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- gnome-pilot GNOME Toaster PopApp WaveForge XWhois gproc POP checker Galway Emma GSnes9x Midnight GStratego Achtung Screem Bulb GMyNews eMerce GnomePM gBasic Balsa ns_gnorba gIPSC Sonic Flow Mosquito uf-view gnome-python libglade See the software map on www.gnome.org for more information about any of these packages. =========================================================================== Until next week - Havoc From nathan@coconut.islanddata.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 29825 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 18:59:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 18:59:30 -0000 Received: from islanddata.com (islanddata.com [204.253.170.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04770 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:59:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 12956 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 18:58:43 -0000 Received: from coconut.islanddata.com (nathan@207.110.37.45) by islanddata.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 18:58:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Island Data Sender: nathan@coconut.islanddata.com From: Nathan Clegg To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: cvs failure I've recently run into a problem where about half of the gnome modules I check out of cvs fail with messages similar to the one below. They used to work fine, and currently fail with cvs version 1.10.2 and 1.10.5. I was able to check out the modules successfully on another machine with 1.9, so don't know if the problem is related to the version, platform, or what. In each module, the failure is always on the same directory, so for a long time I thought it was a problem with the server and kept waiting for it to fix itself :) Now I realize the problem is on my end and I was hoping someone out there has seen it before. ORBit always fails on libIDL/ and gnumeric always fails on src/ for example. Any suggestions appreciated. Thanks! cvs server: failed to create lock directory in repository `/cvs/gnome/libIDL': Permission denied cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvs/gnome/libIDL' cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up ---------------------------------- Nathan Clegg nathan@islanddata.com From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 18002 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 19:22:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 19:22:41 -0000 Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA07426 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:22:39 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id PAA23645 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:22:07 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from serendipity (dal-tgn-tkl-vty19.as.wcom.net [216.192.224.19]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id PAA23458; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:21:59 -0400 (EDT) To: John R Sheets Cc: Gnome List Subject: Re: The Panel and Session Management References: <37B9748F.D663AABF@ravendusk.org> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 17 Aug 1999 15:33:04 -0400 In-Reply-To: John R Sheets's message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:41:19 -0500" Message-ID: <87k8qugq33.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" John R Sheets writes: > So my question is, what could be going on here? Does the panel > do some extra hocus pocus? My X Server & window manager are > already running when I call gnome-session; When you say "running from a command line" do you mean a term started from your WM? There is an environment variable (SESSION_MANAGER) set by gnome-session, and since you are starting your WM before this it (and things run by it (your xterm)) do not know about the session manager (this is what the window manager cappet is for). So, if you set up the window manager capplet things should work how you expect them (i think). Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From sean.middleditch@iname.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 17163 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 20:02:25 -0000 Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [207.206.116.33]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA10639 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:02:24 -0400 Received: from aweplay.net (IDENT:stm@usr05-110.provide.net [207.206.118.110]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA14792 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:02:13 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Middleditch Organization: AwesomePlay Productions To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Panel Problems and RPMs Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:52:03 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081716044600.00808@aweplay.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have some problems with the gnome panel I'd to fix. The first is that sometimes when I click on a gnome panel a dialog comes up telling me another gnome panel is running, and if I want to start a new one? No matter what choice I click (yes/no) all my panels dissappear. Since the only way I can find to create new panels is right-clicking on an existing panel (if this is true, it really should be fixed), the only way I can fix the problem is by deleting my ~/.gnome directory so gnome starts up with its default configuration (this is not a good thing). Also, I have a problem in which gnome sometimes seems to keep a few panel configurations at once. When I start gnome, it uses one configuration. The next time I start gnome, the panel is configured in a way I had it a few days before. It switches back and forth. Right now it isn't doing that, though, so I don't know what causes it. Finally, for the gnome panel, sometimes applets or launchers aren't on my panel as they should be when I start gnome. For example, this particular session the mixer applet I have on the top panel wasn't there and I had to add it back in. I also wanted to know where I could get RPMs of the most current gnome release. Most of my RPMs are a bit outdated (by a month or more), and I can't find any up-to-date RPMs anywhere. Most of the big ftp sites have older RPMs of gnome than I do. I'd prefer to use RPMs over tar.gz files and such, but if there are no RPMs, I guess I'll have to get the tarred files, eh? Thanks, Sean Middleditch From dax@gurulabs.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 27145 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 20:18:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 20:18:57 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA11938 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:18:52 -0400 Received: (qmail 5444 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 20:18:48 -0000 Received: from brookie.inconnect.com (209.140.64.23) by mail with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 20:18:48 -0000 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:18:47 -0600 (MDT) From: Dax Kelson X-Sender: dkelson@brookie.inconnect.com To: Sean Middleditch cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel Problems and RPMs In-Reply-To: <99081716044600.00808@aweplay.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sean Middleditch said once upon a time (Tue, 17 Aug 1999): > I also wanted to know where I could get RPMs of the most current gnome > release. Most of my RPMs are a bit outdated (by a month or more), and I can't > find any up-to-date RPMs anywhere. Most of the big ftp sites have older RPMs > of gnome than I do. I'd prefer to use RPMs over tar.gz files and such, but if > there are no RPMs, I guess I'll have to get the tarred files, eh? ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com Dax Kelson From mario@p133.inode.at Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 31154 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 20:21:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 20:21:32 -0000 Received: from p133.inode.at (root@p133.inode.at [195.58.160.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA12163 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:21:31 -0400 Received: from inode.at (line1.dialup.wien.inode.at [195.58.161.129]) by p133.inode.at (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id WAA08198 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:21:23 +0200 Sender: mario@p133.inode.at Message-ID: <37B9C459.6B33935E@inode.at> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:21:45 +0200 From: Mario Vukelic Reply-To: octopus@inode.at X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Where do I set language to use (localization)? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi! I have gnome compiled myself on a SuSE 6.0. Today I´ve updated the dist, (6.0 to 6.1) and as usual it has done a lot of stuff to my system (didn´t always do everything like SuSE would have wanted me to). Strangely, suddenly my gnome is in German, although it has always been in English. SuSE didn´t do anything to my gnome installation, as rpm doesn´t even know about it. Now I can´t find an option to change back to English (should be in control panel, really ). The gnome-faq does talk about localization, but doesn´t mention where to change it. Please help, I don´t want my PC talk German to me. Thanks a lot -- Mario -- Mario Linux: The choice of a GNU generation From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 26830 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 21:02:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 21:02:38 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou3.iglou.com [192.107.41.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA15036 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:02:38 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.179] (helo=lou-ts7-73.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11GqNN-0001np-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:02:34 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:06:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: ftp sites Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII is it just me or are all the ftp mirrors horribly out of date? i went looking for the latest control-center (1.0.6) and found that the majority of the mirror sites have 1.0.5-13 or 1.0.5-22 and all but gurulabs have very outdated gnome-core gnomeftp.wgn.net had gnome-core-devel-1.0.2-7.1! and the gnomeftp site is never acessable. ----- This is the greatest thrill of my life! I'm king of the world! Wooo, wooo! Wooo, wooo! -- Homer Simpson Bart The Daredevil From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 28151 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 21:03:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 21:03:54 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA15118 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:03:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id RAA06878; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:03:46 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:03:45 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Jacques Du Pasquier cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! In-Reply-To: <14265.38101.610574.254657@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is because the way enlightenment does it is not great. Most WMs do it as follows: hold alt, then each time you hit tab the next window on the list is brought into focus. when you release alt, the list of windows is re ordered such that the most recent window to have focus is on top. E does it this way: It only thinks of alt+tab as one thing. Each time it gets an alt+tab from the keybord it switches windows. what sucks is that instead of waiting 'till you release alt, it waits .5 seconds once you've switched to a window. if you are still focused on that window, the list is re ordered. This means that if you alt tab quickly, every window (that is not shaded or iconified) will be focused in order. but if you do alt+tab, then hold the alt for a second, then press tab again and repete, you will only go back and fourth between the two most recently focused windows. I hope this is reasonably correct and clear. This is what I remember of what raster told me when I asked after it. I think he plans on updating ig for E0.16 --Ben On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Jacques Du Pasquier wrote: > Hello, > > I asked this question some time ago but didn't receive any answer. > > Alt-Tab is automatically configured to cycle through windows. However, > it only cycles through a subset of them. > > Should I turn to Enlightenment people for this ? > > Does it work normally for someone ? > > I append below the packages I'm using. > > Thanks, > > Jacques > > Versions of packages used : > > ~ $ rpm -qa | grep gnome > gnome-audio-1.0.0-6 > gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-6 > gnome-core-1.0.4-34 > gnome-games-1.0.2-10 > gnome-libs-1.0.8-8 > gnome-linuxconf-0.22-1 > gnome-media-1.0.1-3 > gnome-pim-1.0.7-2 > gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-4rh > gnome-utils-1.0.1-6 > switchdesk-gnome-1.7.0-1 > > ~ $ rpm -qa | grep enlight > enlightenment-conf-0.15-5 > enlightenment-0.15.5-100 > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From sipan@mit.edu Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 8507 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 21:32:49 -0000 Received: from rwf.lms.mit.edu (sipan@rwf.lms.mit.EDU [18.60.2.85]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17015 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:32:48 -0400 Received: (from sipan@localhost) by rwf.lms.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23582; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:33:46 -0400 From: "Sergey I. Panov" Message-Id: <199908172133.RAA23582@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Subject: Re: Where do I set language to use (localization)? To: octopus@inode.at Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:33:46 -0400 (EDT) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <37B9C459.6B33935E@inode.at> from "Mario Vukelic" at °ŇÓ 17, 1999 10:21:45 X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Now I can4t find an option to change back to English (should be in > control panel, really ). The gnome-faq does talk about localization, but > doesn4t mention where to change it. Please help, I don4t want my PC talk > German to me. LANG=en; export LANG; or, better LANG=C; export LANG; Good Luck, Sergey From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 9592 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 21:50:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 21:50:58 -0000 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA17972 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:50:58 -0400 Received: from modem-193.name65.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.192.193] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Gr8C-0003yz-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:50:56 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA00356 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:33:57 GMT Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:33:57 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Message-ID: <19990817223357.A32668@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14265.38101.610574.254657@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Ben Frantzdale on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 05:03:45PM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Ben Frantzdale (frantzdb@admin.arhs.net) [99081722:25]: > This is because the way enlightenment does it is not great. > > Most WMs do it as follows: > hold alt, then each time you hit tab the next window on the list is > brought into focus. when you release alt, the list of windows is re > ordered such that the most recent window to have focus is on top. > > E does it this way: > It only thinks of alt+tab as one thing. Each time it gets an alt+tab from > the keybord it switches windows. what sucks is that instead of waiting > 'till you release alt, it waits .5 seconds once you've switched to a > window. if you are still focused on that window, the list is re ordered. > > This means that if you alt tab quickly, every window (that is not shaded > or iconified) will be focused in order. but if you do alt+tab, then hold > the alt for a second, then press tab again and repete, you will only go > back and fourth between the two most recently focused windows. > > I hope this is reasonably correct and clear. This is what I remember of > what raster told me when I asked after it. I think he plans on updating ig > for E0.16 Enlightenment from CVS does alt-tab very nicely. Try the devel.4 snapshot available from the www.enlightenment.org website, which includes a nicely working pager, icon-boxes, and loads more cool new features - if you're daring. (I use CVS e, and its always been unexpectedly stable (not one crash yet). Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From ama@act.qc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 9448 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 22:26:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 22:26:49 -0000 Received: from ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (ActMail.ACT.QC.CA [205.236.132.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA20609 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:26:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA13747 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:26:46 -0400 Received: from ActMTL.ACT.QC.CA(199.84.182.8), claiming to be "actmtl.act" via SMTP by ActMail.ACT.QC.CA, id smtpda13732; Tue Aug 17 18:26:37 1999 Received: from act.qc.ca (ACT-186 [199.84.182.61]) by actmtl.act with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2232.9) id P80CPTPV; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:18:18 -0400 Message-ID: <37B9DFAD.57DE67D8@act.qc.ca> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:18:21 -0400 From: Andre-John Mas X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (WinNT; I) X-Accept-Language: fr,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Sanitisation Tester Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My gnome installation is screaming problems all over the place. Since I don't particuarly feel like having to reinstall linux, I was wondering whether there was a tool available to identify gnome setup problems? - library incompatibilities and missing required libraries. If not then this could be a handy tool to put together. Andre From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 25270 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 22:50:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 22:50:17 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA22318 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:50:16 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in121.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.121]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id AAA45756; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:50:10 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:52:48 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 02:52:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: Mario Vukelic cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where do I set language to use (localization)? In-Reply-To: <37B9C459.6B33935E@inode.at> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Mario Vukelic wrote: > Hi! >=20 > I have gnome compiled myself on a SuSE 6.0. Today I=B4ve updated the > dist, (6.0 to 6.1) and as usual it has done a lot of stuff to my system > (didn=B4t always do everything like SuSE would have wanted me to). > Strangely, suddenly my gnome is in German, although it has always been > in English. SuSE didn=B4t do anything to my gnome installation, as rpm > doesn=B4t even know about it. >=20 > Now I can=B4t find an option to change back to English (should be in > control panel, really ). The gnome-faq does talk about localization, but > doesn=B4t mention where to change it. Please help, I don=B4t want my PC t= alk > German to me. >=20 > Thanks a lot You want to edit /etc/profile. I think they put something like LC_CTYPE=3Dde_DE export LC_CTYPE in there. Remove it. They also have a setting in yast which puts something corresponding into /etc/rc.config LANGUAGE=3Dgerman I think. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From svante.signell@telia.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 9184 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 23:12:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 23:12:19 -0000 Received: from em2.my.own.domain (srs@t4o70p86.telia.com [62.20.149.206]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24172 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:12:18 -0400 Received: (from srs@localhost) by em2.my.own.domain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA19285; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:12:15 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: em2.my.own.domain: srs set sender to svante.signell@telia.com using -f From: Svante Signell MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14265.60495.24985.104951@em2.my.own.domain> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:12:15 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gLyX to be included in gnome Workshop? X-Mailer: VM 6.64 under Emacs 20.3.1 Hello all, After talking to to Miguel (gnome) and Lee (redhat) during the LinuxWorld Conference, I'll try the gnome-list this time after recommendation. The task is to find people interested in taking on a project to develop a gtk-based front end to LyX. Previous efforts: Sending mail to redhat: They responded that the concentrate on the OS and distribution. Sending mail to LyX development list: The LyX development team are most interested in developing the functionality tool itself, not the GUI. Sending mail to gnome-workshop-list: Got two interesting replies, but this list seems to be a very low traffic list, so nothing has happened yet. Motivation: In need for a GPL'ed WYSYWYG word processor I would like to propose LyX, a very nice front end to LaTeX. A recent TeX/LaTeX/pdfTeX/... distribution is teTeX, now released in version 1.0.x: http://tug.org/tetex/ The only clue is that it currently only runs on top of the xforms library, which is not distributed with source code. A gtk version would be wonderful (gLyX). With a GPL'ed GUI toolkit LyX can be distributed by RedHat, Caldera, Debian, Suse, etc. together with the gnome environment. The people developing LyX are making it X-library independent: http://www.devel.lyx.org/devel/gui-indep.html A version running on top of QT is already available (kLyX), usable in the KDE environment. However, if I'm correctly informed this version is based on an older version of LyX. OBSERVE: Note that Lyx/LaTeX is to be seen as a complement to an integrated suite of tools such as Word/Powerpoint/Excel. Even if an MS replacement suite is developed, Latex is very IMPORTANT for example people writing books, scientific journals, longer reports etc, where quality of output is first priority. It will never replace tools making small brochures, short reports containing mostly text and graphics. Remember, the group of people needing such a tool as LyX is not as big as for desktop publishing, but it is very influential in society. Therefore do not neglect this market segment. Include it in the gnome workshop list! Hoping for feedback/comments/discussion. Svante Signell From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 16096 invoked from network); 17 Aug 1999 23:22:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 17 Aug 1999 23:22:21 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA24921 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:22:20 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@pti5300-1-56.powerisp.com [199.105.137.56]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id QAA29176 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 16:19:12 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37B9ED88.328F9E17@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:17:28 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.11-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! References: <14265.38101.610574.254657@localhost.localdomain> <19990817223357.A32668@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gilbert wrote: > > * Ben Frantzdale (frantzdb@admin.arhs.net) [99081722:25]: > > This is because the way enlightenment does it is not great. > > > > Most WMs do it as follows: > > hold alt, then each time you hit tab the next window on the list is > > brought into focus. when you release alt, the list of windows is re > > ordered such that the most recent window to have focus is on top. > > > > E does it this way: > > It only thinks of alt+tab as one thing. Each time it gets an alt+tab from > > the keybord it switches windows. what sucks is that instead of waiting > > 'till you release alt, it waits .5 seconds once you've switched to a > > window. if you are still focused on that window, the list is re ordered. > > > > This means that if you alt tab quickly, every window (that is not shaded > > or iconified) will be focused in order. but if you do alt+tab, then hold > > the alt for a second, then press tab again and repete, you will only go > > back and fourth between the two most recently focused windows. > > > > I hope this is reasonably correct and clear. This is what I remember of > > what raster told me when I asked after it. I think he plans on updating ig > > for E0.16 > > Enlightenment from CVS does alt-tab very nicely. Try the devel.4 > snapshot available from the www.enlightenment.org website, which > includes a nicely working pager, icon-boxes, and loads more cool new > features - if you're daring. > > (I use CVS e, and its always been unexpectedly stable (not one crash > yet). > > Tom. Unfortunately, the E CVS server has been down for some time now, so the only way to get CVS E (if you don't have it already) via either the website or ftp site. Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From mikejunior@geocities.com Fri May 12 00:03:34 2000 Received: (qmail 11171 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 01:26:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 01:26:30 -0000 Received: from gateway2.dhl.com (lhr249a.dhl.com [198.141.197.249]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA32077 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:26:30 -0400 Received: from hkg-co.hkg-co.HK.DHL.COM by gateway2.dhl.com with ESMTP (DHLGMS 4.08-DSI) id VAA26704; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:25:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from itdpc200 by hkg-co.hkg-co.HK.DHL.COM with SMTP (DHLGMS 4.07-DSI) id JAA23620; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:25:22 +0800 (HKT) Message-ID: <004c01bee918$3426d680$c8e428c7@hkgco.hk.dhl.com> From: "Michael" To: Subject: Suggestions on documentation of GNome Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:22:31 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0049_01BEE95B.329B8020" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BEE95B.329B8020 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, I have usually got problems compiling GNome. Most of them are missing libraries. I have a suggestion that should all GNome core libraries have a full list of requirements, including something obvious like kernel headers or other libraries. The new problem to me is that I cannot compile the gnome-print source, it wows at me for some library that I don't know what it is. Would somebody give me a full list of required libraries so that I can finish the compilation? Michael ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BEE95B.329B8020 Content-Type: text/x-vcard; name="Michael Lam.vcf" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="Michael Lam.vcf" BEGIN:VCARD VERSION:2.1 N:Lam;Michael FN:Michael Lam NICKNAME:Michael EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:mlam@hkg-co.hk.dhl.com EMAIL;INTERNET:mikejunior@geocities.com REV:19990818T012231Z END:VCARD ------=_NextPart_000_0049_01BEE95B.329B8020-- From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 25217 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 01:44:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 01:44:42 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA00586; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:44:42 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA02728; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:52:17 -0500 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:52:17 -0500 Message-Id: <199908180152.UAA02728@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: pre-release: Gnome-libs-1.0.13 X-Windows: Putting new limits on productivity. Hello guys, A test release of GNOME-libs 1.0.13 has been uploaded to: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/testing I would appreciate if people could test this and let me know if they experiment any problems before we make this one the next official stable release. * New on this release: ** libgnome * Memory leak fixes from gnome-dentry-edit (Elliot) * Gnome-Config now ignores lines that start with '#' (Elliot) * priority of the CORBA main loop/Gtk main loop can now be controlled (useful for intensive CORBA applications, Ettore first noticed this problem) (Ettore, me). * Elliot was on a warning hunt, so this release is a lot cleaner warning-wise. * Memory leak fix in gnome-i18n (Morten) * Cache in gnome-config, improves program startup ** libgnomeui * Proper Druid destruction and cleanups (Havoc, Jonathan) * IconList bug fixes (menus, DnD fixes, editing fixes, memory management) (Federico) * Canvas and GnomePixmap leak fixes (Morten) * gnome_pixmap race condition fixes (Federico) * Canvas affine fixes (Larry) * Gnome Session now no longer prompts for logout, this is now done in the SM (Tom) ** Zvt Widget * Rendering fix (mc exposed an update problem) (Michael) * Fixed problems with terminals that were left dead (Miguel) * zvt now sets the proper signal mask (Sopwith) * Fixes for a number of bugs reported on the CVS ** LibArt * Added dash style functions (Raph, Larry) * Endianess fixes (Michael Zucchi, Raph) ** Documentation We still need people to help us finish the GNOME API documentation. * gnome-file-entry docs began (Daniel) * Various fix ups to the SGML (Raja) * gnome-appbar improvements (George) * GnomeCanvas widget is fully documented now (Federico) ** Internationalization * Gnome-Scores now shows dates in a localized way (Pablo). * Changed "Create _New Window" to "Create New _Window" to avoid conflicts. Translators, please update your po files (Pablo). Enjoy, Miguel. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 1497 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 01:50:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 01:50:14 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01152 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:50:13 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA09710; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:48:23 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:48:23 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Michael cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestions on documentation of GNome In-Reply-To: <004c01bee918$3426d680$c8e428c7@hkgco.hk.dhl.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Michael wrote: > > The new problem to me is that I cannot compile the gnome-print source, it > wows at me for some library that I don't know what it is. Would somebody > give me a full list of required libraries so that I can finish the > compilation? > Please post the error message you get. :-) It should only require gnome-libs (and the dependencies of gnome-libs). Havoc From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 4761 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 01:53:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 01:53:47 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA01359 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:53:46 -0400 Received: from [204.255.236.95] (helo=lou-ts9-80.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11GuvA-0004Ua-00; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:53:45 -0400 Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:57:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: gurulabs Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII just curious - does anyone know who keeps an eye on the ftp sites...making sure they are updated? or is that up to the individual owner? i say this (relating to an earlier post i sent) because most of the ftp sites are painfully out of date. ----- Asleep at the switch! I wasn't asleep! I was drunk! -- Homer Simpson Homer The Vigilante From braden@shadow.net Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 15576 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 02:44:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 02:44:52 -0000 Received: from mail.shadow.net (mail.shadow.net [204.177.71.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA04756 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:44:52 -0400 Received: from bonezero (ppp-85.shadow.net [207.17.58.105]) by mail.shadow.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA27164 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:49:47 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <011c01bee923$a21d9f10$01000080@bonezero> From: "Braden N. McDaniel" To: Subject: Mail weirdness Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:44:45 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 How come this happened when I sent mail to webmaster@gnome.org ? Now I seem to be getting all mail sent to the webmaster@gnome.org. --------- WARNING: Please try to use 'gnome-web-maint-request@nuclecu.unam.mx' the next time when issuing (un)subscribe requests. You have added to the subscriber list of: gnome-web-maint@nuclecu.unam.mx the following mail address: braden@shadow.net By default, copies of your own submissions will be returned. This is an automated subscription mechanism. For your verification, a transcript of the original subscription request is included below. 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McDaniel" >To: >Subject: Posted subscription address incorrect >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:35:41 -0400 >MIME-Version: 1.0 >Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit >X-Priority: 3 >X-MSMail-Priority: Normal >X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 >X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 > >The link to the gnome-mailer-list subscription address at > is incorrect. The text >on the page is right, but the link itself is wrong. > >-- >Braden N. McDaniel >braden@endoframe.com > > > From bidemi@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 27438 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 03:10:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 03:10:05 -0000 Received: from CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (bidemi@[24.112.244.139]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06340 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:10:00 -0400 Received: (from bidemi@localhost) by CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01616 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:14:51 -0400 Message-Id: <199908180314.XAA01616@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:14:50 -0400 (EDT) From: Rasaki Bidemi Bolanle Temidire Reply-To: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Another mirror site? To: GNOME Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Everyone, I don't know if this is the place to suggest this but I am going to do it anyways. I was just perusing the comp.os.linux.announce newsgroup. There was announcement there on August 9 from the systems administrator for "The Center for High Performance Computing at the University of Utah" inviting people to mirror any useful Linux software at ftp://mirror.chpc.utah.edu/. They claim to have a "155Mpbs connection to the internet and offer about 60GB of ftp space.". Can we get ftp.gnome.org and ftp.gurulabs.com mirrored here? Dax? Anyone? Who are the powers that be with respect to deciding where and what of the GNOME system gets mirrored? I noticed that they already have distributions, GIMP, and other stuff there including KDE! Why are we not there yet? Bidemi Temidire -- "And politics is like war. It takes three things to win. The first is money and the second is money and the third is money." - Joe Kane From weberd@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 4932 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 03:21:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 03:21:14 -0000 Received: from mail.austin.rr.com (sm1.texas.rr.com [24.93.35.54]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA06962 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:21:13 -0400 Received: from austin.rr.com ([24.28.70.177]) by mail.austin.rr.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.5.1875.185.18); Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:20:54 -0500 Sender: weberd@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37BA2751.E0FA065B@austin.rr.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:24:01 -0500 From: Daniel Weber Organization: Sematech X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sydney Weidman CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sigh.... References: <37B8C164.B58859C4@austin.rr.com> <37B8E1AD.CDCC85C9@mbnet.mb.ca> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Sydney Weidman wrote: > Daniel Weber wrote: > > > > So I've been having a lot of luck with gnome lately, cruising along. > > Until yesterday when my fiance and I decided to work on a budget. So I > > [snip] > > > > > Of course I still can't play two games of freecell in a row either b/c > > it segfaults. Sigh... > > > > Sure isn't the best way to impress your fiance with linux and > > gnome...... > > > [snip] > > The freecell problem is fixed in the newest version of the GNOME RPMS. I > can now waste even more time than I did before... :-) > > Cheers! > Syd. What a differance a day makes :-) Today I downloaded the latest gnome-core, gnome-libs, gnome-games, etc and installed them with only a minor stroke (someday I swear I'll figure out rpm updates, dammit). I then downloaded the source to gnome-print and got that compiled with only another small stroke (mental note to self - never install rpms and source and always put things in the proper prefix). Now gnumeric runs, the calculator correctly inputs only one digit, freecell has let me win 5 in a row and life is good...... Thanks .... :-) From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 1749 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 04:30:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 04:30:40 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA10373 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:30:35 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA00958 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:30:56 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37BA4844.FCCC1FFA@cgocable.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:44:36 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: ANN: Minion 0.0.7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Minion 0.0.7 has been released. Minion is a real-time strategy game for GNOME (on Linux) currently in development, and licensed under the GPL. This release adds networking support. It is not yet playable as a game. Source code and further information is available at the URL below. -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From gphat@cafes.net Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 11140 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 04:48:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 04:48:29 -0000 Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA11269 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:48:29 -0400 Received: from Shaheed (shaheed.deepfreeze.org [207.65.240.3]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id XAA28859 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:48:26 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990817234927.007b6650@cafes.net> X-Sender: gphat@cafes.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:49:27 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cory Watson Subject: Icons! Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I took a little time over the past few days to read through the list and paint and icon for anything that I thought I had a line on. There are four png's at: http://www.cafes.net/g/gnomeicons None of these are transparent, I couldn't get them transparent for some reason:( The battery monitor is the only one I really like, as all of them look kinda Windowsish (I think I made a new word), but anyway, if whoever handles the icons wants to use them, feel free to do so. If anyone likes them, I can prolly paint more;) Piece. Cory Watson Computer Cafe Internet Services From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 2029 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 07:52:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 07:52:02 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA19545 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 03:52:00 -0400 Message-ID: <52108B9D.78EDD6A5@ntb.ch> Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:53:49 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Svante Signell , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gLyX to be included in gnome Workshop? References: <14265.60495.24985.104951@em2.my.own.domain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Svante Signell wrote: > > Hello all, > > After talking to to Miguel (gnome) and Lee (redhat) during the LinuxWorld > Conference, I'll try the gnome-list this time after recommendation. > > The task is to find people interested in taking on a project to > develop a gtk-based front end to LyX. > > Previous efforts: > Sending mail to redhat: They responded that the concentrate on the > OS and distribution. > Sending mail to LyX development list: The LyX development team are most > interested in developing the functionality tool itself, not the GUI. > Sending mail to gnome-workshop-list: Got two interesting replies, but > this list seems to be a very low traffic list, so nothing has happened > yet. > > Motivation: > In need for a GPL'ed WYSYWYG word processor I would like to propose > LyX, a very nice front end to LaTeX. A recent TeX/LaTeX/pdfTeX/... > distribution is teTeX, now released in version 1.0.x: > http://tug.org/tetex/ > > The only clue is that it currently only runs on top of the xforms > library, which is not distributed with source code. > > A gtk version would be wonderful (gLyX). With a GPL'ed GUI toolkit LyX can > be distributed by RedHat, Caldera, Debian, Suse, etc. together with the > gnome environment. The people developing LyX are making it X-library > independent: http://www.devel.lyx.org/devel/gui-indep.html > > A version running on top of QT is already available (kLyX), usable in > the KDE environment. However, if I'm correctly informed this version is > based on an older version of LyX. > > OBSERVE: > Note that Lyx/LaTeX is to be seen as a complement to an integrated suite > of tools such as Word/Powerpoint/Excel. Even if an MS replacement > suite is developed, Latex is very IMPORTANT for example people writing > books, scientific journals, longer reports etc, where quality of > output is first priority. It will never replace tools making small brochures, > short reports containing mostly text and graphics. Remember, the group > of people needing such a tool as LyX is not as big as for desktop > publishing, but it is very influential in society. Therefore do not > neglect this market segment. Include it in the gnome workshop list! > > Hoping for feedback/comments/discussion. > > Svante Signell > > -- Hi Svante and all I find a gLyx version of Lyx whould be very, very good for GNOME. I am using Lyx on a regular basis, and sure, it whould be great to have a version which works seamlessly togehter with GNOME. Unfortunately, I am not very experienced in programming at all, so I am not shure that I can help with anything. I think of myself, that I am gifted a little bit with graphics , so if I can help with icons or layout-questions, let me know, it whould be an honor for me to help. Cheers Hanspeter From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 5098 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 08:03:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 08:03:43 -0000 Received: from mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (mailhub4.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.24]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA19954 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:03:42 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp14-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.141]) by mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA96141 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:03:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:02:55 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Stability and Gnome's image among users I'm a bit suprised RedHat 6.0 made Gnome the default graphical environment. As promising as it is, it's not really finished nor stable yet, is it? I would love to see it get more stable and generally used, but I fear that this first contact with it will leave many RedHat users with mixed feelings. As a plain user, I can only advise you to make stability a top priority for the next release, and advertise it. It's probably needed to counter the image that has developped these last few months in user's minds. Keep up the good work, Jacques From rcanet@ivia.es Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 26516 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 08:17:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 08:17:04 -0000 Received: from master.ivia.es (mail@master.ivia.es [193.146.62.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA20638 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:16:43 -0400 Received: from (labinstrumento.ivia.es) [193.146.62.183] by master.ivia.es with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11H0tG-0007oZ-00 (Debian); Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:16:10 +0200 From: "Rodolfo Canet-Castello" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:14:01 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: Quoted-printable Subject: Re: gLyX to be included in gnome Workshop? Reply-to: rcanet@ivia.es X-Confirm-Reading-To: rcanet@ivia.es X-pmrqc: 1 Priority: normal In-reply-to: <52108B9D.78EDD6A5@ntb.ch> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.01d) Message-Id: Date forwarded: 18 Aug 1999 07:52:03 -0000 Date sent: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 10:53:49 +0200 From: HpG To: Svante Signell , gnome-list@gno= me.org Subject: Re: gLyX to be included in gnome Workshop? Forwarded by: gnome-list@gnome.org =B7 Svante Signell wrote: =B7 =B7 (snipped) =B7 =B7 > The task is to find people interested in taking on a project to =B7 > develop a gtk-based front end to LyX. =B7 =B7 Hi Svante and all =B7 =B7 I find a gLyx version of Lyx whould be very, very good for GNOME. =B7 =B7 (snipped) =B7 =B7 Cheers =B7 Hanspeter =B7 I cannot agree more strongly. Lyx is one of that pieces of soft which "makes the difference" about Linux. When it acquires more flexibility will be absolute heaven, but even now is wonderful. I dream with a gnomefied version. I can help only by testing, some Spanish translations, etc., though. Best regards to all. ----- Dr. Rodolfo Canet-Castell=F3 (rcanet@ivia.es) Dpto. Recursos Naturales Instituto Valenciano de Investigaciones Agrarias (IVIA) Apartado Oficial. Moncada. 46113-Valencia (SPAIN) Phone:34-96 139 10 00 Fax:34-96 139 02 40 --- Web page of the Spanish Group of Soil Enzymology http://www.ivia.es/soilenzymology/ From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 5486 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 08:22:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 08:22:15 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA20765 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:22:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (hawlisch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with SMTP id KAA55106; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:21:17 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:21:16 +0100 (MEZ) From: Hawlisch Martin To: Jacques Du Pasquier cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users In-Reply-To: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Jacques Du Pasquier wrote: > I'm a bit suprised RedHat 6.0 made Gnome the default graphical > environment. As promising as it is, it's not really finished nor > stable yet, is it? I would love to see it get more stable and > generally used, but I fear that this first contact with it will leave > many RedHat users with mixed feelings. As a plain user, I can only > advise you to make stability a top priority for the next release, and > advertise it. It's probably needed to counter the image that has > developped these last few months in user's minds. If it is not running stable for you then submit bug-reports. - > http://bugs.gnome.org/Reporting.html Cheers, Martin. __ ___ * _ _ |\/| /\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /\\ /| |(_`| |_| | |/--\| \ | || \| | |/--\\/\/ |_ |._)|_ | | mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch From dm89754@ucf.edu Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 5569 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 08:22:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 08:22:19 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (host-216-77-208-97.fll.bellsouth.net [216.77.208.97]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA20766 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:22:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id EAA01166; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:24:09 -0500 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 04:24:09 -0500 (EST) From: David Meybohm X-Sender: dm89754@localhost.localdomain To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: libgnomeui patches for icon selection widgets Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: MULTIPART/MIXED; BOUNDARY="8323328-2119947884-934968249=:1161" This message is in MIME format. The first part should be readable text, while the remaining parts are likely unreadable without MIME-aware tools. Send mail to mime@docserver.cac.washington.edu for more info. --8323328-2119947884-934968249=:1161 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, here's some diffs I made to fix some problems with icon selection dialogs. gnome-icon-entry.diff: When in an icon selection dialog (say, after going to the properties of a drawer and trying to change the drawer icon by clicking its icon in properties), panel will crash if you try to pick a new directory while a directory that contains a lot of icons is loading. This only happens the first time the dialog comes up. The reason it happens is because there's a call to gtk_object_set_user_data() *after* the icons are done loading, but while the icons are loading, gtk events can occur that call event handlers that assume that gtk_object_set_user_data() has already been called. The event handlers don't check the return value of gtk_object_get_user_data() at all (which you might consider somewhat dangerous to begin with) and it tries to deference a null pointer and psplat. This simple patch moves the gtk_object_set_user_data() call to before the icon loading function that can trigger gtk events. gnome-icon-sel.diff: If you try to load a directory while another is loading in an icon-selection widget, multiple progressbars and labels appear. This happens because the progressbar and label are created locally, so each time the load icons function is called, new ones are created. You can fix by calling gtk_object_set_user_data on the progressbar and label to retain each between calls. I thought about adding both to the definitions of GnomeIconSelection in the header file, which was easier and seemed more natural, but I read something about changing structure definitions breaks binary compatability. But, I also read about how set_user_data/get_user_data were bad. Which is worse? gnome-icon-list.diff: Ah, try to load another directory while a GnomeIconSelection is loading another as before (there's nothing I love more than multitasking madness like loading icon directories...wuhhoo!). Try hitting enter multiple times in the entry widget so the directory stops loading and reloading several times. When it's finished loading, there's no icons. I think gnome_canvas_display needs to get called on a gnome_icon_list. But gnome_icon_list_thaw() never calls it when you freeze() it multiple times before thaw()ing, even if you call thaw() the same number of times. 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Message-ID: <19990818095113.A15261@wainwright> Reply-To: Peter Wainwright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:12:15 Svante Signell wrote: > Hello all, > > After talking to to Miguel (gnome) and Lee (redhat) during the LinuxWorld > Conference, I'll try the gnome-list this time after recommendation. > > The task is to find people interested in taking on a project to > develop a gtk-based front end to LyX. I'd very much like to see this happen. I've written a couple of scientific papers with LyX, and find it a very powerful tool. I'd like to help out however I can, but pressure of work and lack of spare time may limit my involvement. > > Previous efforts: > Sending mail to redhat: They responded that the concentrate on the > OS and distribution. > Sending mail to LyX development list: The LyX development team are most > interested in developing the functionality tool itself, not the GUI. > Sending mail to gnome-workshop-list: Got two interesting replies, but > this list seems to be a very low traffic list, so nothing has happened > yet. > > Motivation: > In need for a GPL'ed WYSYWYG word processor I would like to propose > LyX, a very nice front end to LaTeX. A recent TeX/LaTeX/pdfTeX/... > distribution is teTeX, now released in version 1.0.x: > http://tug.org/tetex/ > > The only clue is that it currently only runs on top of the xforms > library, which is not distributed with source code. > > A gtk version would be wonderful (gLyX). With a GPL'ed GUI toolkit LyX can > be distributed by RedHat, Caldera, Debian, Suse, etc. together with the > gnome environment. The people developing LyX are making it X-library > independent: http://www.devel.lyx.org/devel/gui-indep.html > > A version running on top of QT is already available (kLyX), usable in > the KDE environment. However, if I'm correctly informed this version is > based on an older version of LyX. > > OBSERVE: > Note that Lyx/LaTeX is to be seen as a complement to an integrated suite > of tools such as Word/Powerpoint/Excel. Even if an MS replacement > suite is developed, Latex is very IMPORTANT for example people writing > books, scientific journals, longer reports etc, where quality of > output is first priority. It will never replace tools making small brochures, > short reports containing mostly text and graphics. Remember, the group > of people needing such a tool as LyX is not as big as for desktop > publishing, but it is very influential in society. Therefore do not > neglect this market segment. Include it in the gnome workshop list! > > Hoping for feedback/comments/discussion. > > Svante Signell > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 1108 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 10:04:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 10:04:52 -0000 Received: from arachne.aba.gov.au ([203.111.47.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA24784 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:04:49 -0400 Received: from pluto.aba.gov.au ([202.14.232.15]) by arachne.aba.gov.au (8.8.8/8.8.8/Debian/GNU) with SMTP id UAA01940 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:06:38 +1000 Received: by pluto.aba.gov.au with VINES-ISMTP; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:10:30 +1000 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:09:43 AES Message-ID: X-Priority: 3 (Normal) To: Cc: , From: (Andrew MacIntyre) Reply-To: Errors-to: Subject: Update: non-root accounts & "halt"/"reboot" options X-Incognito-SN: 1771 X-Incognito-Version: 5.0.1.93 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Firstly, thanks to Tom Gilbert, Owen Taylor, and Telsa for responding. One clarification to add - the machine is in fact running gdm and not xdm as I indicated (I hadn't at that point realised that Gnome had its own replacement for xdm). As per Tom's advice, I changed the privileges for the user accouts in linuxconf (the shutdown option was disabled). Still no luck :-( I've dug deeper, and come up with the following log fragment which appears to point to the problem (maybe 2 problems?): ----8<---- Aug 18 19:27:30 xxx PAM_pwdb[2550]: (gdm) session opened for user andymac by (uid=0) Aug 18 19:27:45 xxx gnome-name-server[2615]: starting Aug 18 19:27:45 xxx gnome-name-server[2615]: name server starting Aug 18 19:28:20 xxx PAM_pwdb[2634]: 1 authentication failure; (uid=501) -> andymac for shutdown service Aug 18 19:28:20 xxx PAM_pwdb[2550]: (gdm) session closed for user andymac Aug 18 19:28:20 xxx gnome-name-server[2615]: input condition is: 16, exiting Aug 18 19:28:21 xxx gdm[539]: gdm_auth_secure_display: Could not unlink /var/gdm/:0.xauth file: No such file or directory ----8<---- The obvious thing is that authentication is still failing for the shutdown, despite linuxconf indicating that the account is granted shutdown rights. The symptoms I'm seeing are:- - select "logout of Gnome"; - select the "reboot" option; - get presented with a dialog box for password; - when the user's password is entered, a trailing carriage return has no apparent effect, and either the "OK" or "Cancel" buttons causes a cycle back to the gdm login dialog. Other things I've done, with no apparent effect: - found the install wasn't using shadow passwds, so ran pwconv/grpconv - found a Makefile in /var/db which appeared to be for recreating various system dbs, so "made" it. In answer to Owen's question - the stock RH6 Gnome RPMs are installed. Apart from changes noted above, I haven't knowingly customised anything, particularly the user accounts. I should also point out that this system is my first exposure to Gnome and RH6 (previous linux experience predominantly Debian). Apologies for not having trimmed the quoted message but this mail client (BeyondMail) doesn't allow me to edit the quoted section :-( Again, thanks in advance for any suggestions Aug 18 19:28:20 froznys PAM_pwdb[2634]: 1 authentication failure; (uid=501) -> andymac for shutdown ------------------------------------------------------------- Andrew MacIntyre \ andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au Planning & Licensing Branch \ Tel: +61 2 6256 2812 Australian Broadcasting Authority \ Fax: +61 2 6253 3277 ---------- Original Text ---------- From: Tom Gilbert , on 17/08/99 22:00: * Andrew MacIntyre (andrew.macintyre@aba.gov.au) [990817 11:12]: > I've just installed RedHat 6 (workstation cfg), running xdm. Its intended use is such that I would like to have the users be able to shut it down or reboot it as they would a W95 box (it is in fact a dual boot with W95), without needing to know the root password. > > Gnome, as installed by the RH6 installer, seems ready to support such a configuration, but it only works for the root account. The Gnome user-guide seems to imply that this should work for users as well. > > I've searched both the RedHat and Gnome web sites, and the online help without being able to find out for sure if a user should be able to exit Gnome with either the "halt" or "reboot" options, and if so what I need to do to make it work. I expected this to be an FAQ, but apparently not.... > > FWIW, the user accounts were created with useradd, using the standard skeleton supplied by RH6. > > Can anyone shed any light on this for me? > > Thanks in advance, > Andrew. > Run linuxconf as root, go to the user accounts tab, select user accounts, and select a user to edit. Go to the priviledges tab and you'll see an option called "May shutdown". If you enable this, the user will be able to shutdown/reboot. If you select Granted, the user is asked for *his* password (not roots) when he runs the shutdown command. If you select Granted/Silent I *think* he isn't asked for a password of any kind (untested, I use Granted). Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From abhijitk@wipinfo.soft.net Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 3152 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 10:10:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 10:10:43 -0000 Received: from patriot.wipinfo.soft.net (patriot.wipinfo.soft.net [164.164.6.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25034 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:10:11 -0400 Received: from barbie.wipinfo.soft.net (root@barbie.wipinfo.soft.net [192.168.200.175]) by patriot.wipinfo.soft.net (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id PAA28272 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:40:56 -0500 (GMT) Received: from alcatel-gw.wipinfo.soft.net (root@twinky.wipinfo.soft.net [192.168.220.200] (may be forged)) by barbie.wipinfo.soft.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA25929 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:42:23 +0530 Received: from wipinfo.soft.net (abhijitk@[192.168.221.108]) by alcatel-gw.wipinfo.soft.net (8.7.5/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16647 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:42:55 +0530 Sender: abhijitk@wipinfo.soft.net Message-ID: <37BA8699.FC522B09@wipinfo.soft.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:40:33 +0530 From: Abhijit Kalamkar Organization: Wipro Infotech X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.03 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.33 i686) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: library path problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi i have recently downloaded some gnome libs and gnome core and apps on my slackware linux system. i dont have root access so i use other directory than /usr as prefix , while the binaries i have downloaded use /usr as prefix. so i get a "cant load ... lib" error. is there any env. var. i can set to be able to direct the path of the gnome libs. to the gnome apps. ? (or i will have to compile the source?) Abhijit. ------------------------------------------------------- Abhijit Kalamkar Software Engineer Wipro - Technology Solutions Division E-mail : abhijitk@wipinfo.soft.net Home Page : http://members.tripod.com/NetVega/ ------------------------------------------------------- From prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 9096 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 10:27:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 10:27:36 -0000 Received: from wainwright.nir.nrpb.org.uk (blacknet.nrpb.org.uk [194.129.135.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25753 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 06:27:35 -0400 Received: (from prw@localhost) by wainwright.nir.nrpb.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA30858 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:28:20 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:28:20 +0100 From: Peter Wainwright To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gmc, automounter and audio CD's Message-ID: <19990818112820.A30844@wainwright> Reply-To: Peter Wainwright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 I have been using floppy and CD drives with the automounter (under /misc). I have also added /misc/cd to fstab so I can unmount it explicitly, and so that it will appear on my GMC desktop. Unfortunately, GMC often seems to want to scan the CD, therefore forcing autofs to mount it, and my audio CD stops playing! This happens for example, if you just highlight the CD-rom desktop icon and drag it around... you don't have to actually try to open the icon. I notice that the drivemount applets have an option "Use automount-friendly status test" - is there any way of adding such an option to GMC so it doesn't keep halting my audio CD? Using RedHat 6.0 with recent CVS versions of Gnome, GMC, gtcd, etc. Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 17346 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 12:13:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 12:13:06 -0000 Received: from mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (mailhub5.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA30602 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:13:05 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp88-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.215]) by mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA46473; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:14:44 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:12:55 +0200 (CEST) To: Hawlisch Martin Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users In-Reply-To: References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> Hawlisch Martin a écrit (18.8.1999): > On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Jacques Du Pasquier wrote: > > > I'm a bit suprised RedHat 6.0 made Gnome the default graphical > > environment. As promising as it is, it's not really finished nor > > stable yet, is it? I would love to see it get more stable and > > generally used, but I fear that this first contact with it will leave > > many RedHat users with mixed feelings. As a plain user, I can only > > advise you to make stability a top priority for the next release, and > > advertise it. It's probably needed to counter the image that has > > developped these last few months in user's minds. > > If it is not running stable for you then submit bug-reports. > - > http://bugs.gnome.org/Reporting.html Yes. Really I was just submitting a general comment and encouragement. Sorry if it's off topic. If I may add one thing, note that, from a user point of view, you notice general malfunction rather than individual bugs. When things go wrong, it's difficult to identify the source of the problem, and so the actual bug if there is one. If everything works fine, and there is just one obviously abnormal behaviour (like the alt-tab thing), it's easy to submit a bug even for an end user. But it's not always the case here, at least for me. I personnally wouldn't know where to start, and unfortunately I cannot presently take the few days I'd need to sort it all out and submit the useful 1 or 2 bug reports causing all my troubles, though I'd like to. I understand the situation, and that's OK, and I'm not shocked that what I thought would be a self-support user group is more like a development coordination group, and I appreciate your good will to help end users, too. I just hope you can make the thing work more smoothly, and if you do that, that you say clearly that you did, so that scared users come back. Jacques From Moredhel@earthling.net Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 21751 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 12:32:59 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA31423 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:32:58 -0400 Received: from cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.90.7]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA14283 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 05:32:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moredhel (moredhel [129.156.90.152]) by cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with SMTP id NAA08226 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:32:55 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199908181232.NAA08226@cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:29:13 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark R. Bowyer" Reply-To: "Mark R. Bowyer" Subject: Control-center-1.0.6 on Solaris 2.6 To: GNOME-List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: B1tEc/6S5yv2+AhuV2XDlA== Hi, I had to make the following change in control-center-1.0.6/capplets/ screensaver-properties/callbacks.c to get it so compile on Solaris, as we don't have the same setenv() function, instead using a putenv() one. The patch goes: root@kelvin:.../screensaver-properties 54 ]diff -c callbacks.c.orig callbacks.c *** callbacks.c.orig Wed Aug 18 13:11:22 1999 --- callbacks.c Wed Aug 18 13:17:57 1999 *************** *** 439,445 **** return; } if (pid == 0) { ! char *ctmp, *envpath; char **argv; close (p[0]); --- 439,445 ---- return; } if (pid == 0) { ! char *ctmp, *envpath, *putstr; char **argv; close (p[0]); *************** *** 450,457 **** envpath?envpath:"", envpath?":":"", "/usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver"); - setenv("PATH", ctmp, 1); argv = g_strsplit(g_strconcat(sd->demo, " ", sd->windowid, " ", xid, NULL), " ", -1); execvp (argv[0], argv); --- 450,466 ---- envpath?envpath:"", envpath?":":"", "/usr/X11R6/lib/xscreensaver"); + /* Replace this line to work on Solaris: */ + /*setenv("PATH", ctmp, 1);*/ + + putstr = malloc(strlen(ctmp)+6); + strcpy(putstr, "PATH="); + strcpy(putstr, ctmp); + putenv(putstr); + + /* end changes */ + argv = g_strsplit(g_strconcat(sd->demo, " ", sd->windowid, " ", xid, NULL), " ", -1); execvp (argv[0], argv); --- Hope this helps someone, -------My opinion - Not sane, intelligent or necessarily useful------- o o mailto:Moredhel@earthling.net /v\ark R. Bowyer. http://i.am/Moredhel mailto:Mark.Bowyer@UK.Sun.COM `-' "Everything is true, for a given value of 'true'" - PTerry From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 32497 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 12:53:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 12:53:29 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA32269 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:53:26 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA07879 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:52:34 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:52:33 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users Message-ID: <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain>; from Jacques Du Pasquier on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 02:12:55PM +0200 On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 02:12:55PM +0200 or thereabouts, Jacques Du Pasquier wrote: > Hawlisch Martin a écrit (18.8.1999): > > If it is not running stable for you then submit bug-reports. > > - > http://bugs.gnome.org/Reporting.html > > Yes. Really I was just submitting a general comment and encouragement. > Sorry if it's off topic. > > If I may add one thing, note that, from a user point of view, you > notice general malfunction rather than individual bugs. When things go > wrong, it's difficult to identify the source of the problem, and so > the actual bug if there is one. This is something I notice a lot. I am entirely happy to submit even the silliest of bugs, largely because the developers have been really encouraging when I do, and apparently _like_ to be told, "I just made cards disappear in AisleRiot," and so on. But working out what's causing the problem is hard. I have a set of things I try, but they're very hit and miss. I have taken a couple of hours to work out which package a program is part of before now. (Yes, I know about rpm -qf for a file, but first you have to work out what file relates to what you see on the output of 'top', or know how to find out that what is described on a menu entry as "About Myself" runs a program with a name entirely different from that...) > I personnally wouldn't know where to start, and unfortunately I cannot > presently take the few days I'd need to sort it all out and submit the > useful 1 or 2 bug reports causing all my troubles, though I'd like to. If there are other people in this boat, I can write up what I do to work out what package something is part of and so on. If it helps. (But I'm not very good at it, and I might tell people a horribly long-winded way. Although I can guarantee it's a great way to learn more about how Gnome and, in my case, Linux work.) > I understand the situation, and that's OK, and I'm not shocked that > what I thought would be a self-support user group is more like a > development coordination group, and I appreciate your good will to > help end users, too. I just hope you can make the thing work more > smoothly, and if you do that, that you say clearly that you did, so > that scared users come back. I have a few ideas about what might make it easier to submit bug reports, too. I'n not sure where the best place to send them is, but if people are interested, I can send them here? (Or wherever is better.) I have held back so far because (a) I wasn't sure how many other people have the same problems as me, and (b) it might involve yet more coding for someone... (I don't think it would be hard to code, but I am not in the best position to judge.) Telsa From gualeve-fct@unimar.br Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 21017 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 13:22:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 13:22:51 -0000 Received: from venus.unimar.br (venus.unimar.br [200.230.90.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA01320 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:22:46 -0400 Received: from [200.230.90.18] by venus.unimar.br with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA23148; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:24:28 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990818102148.006a48f8@unimar.br> X-Sender: gualeve-fct@unimar.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:21:48 -0300 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Adalberto =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fa=E7anha?= Gualeve Subject: Gnome-ERROR ** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi, i have install gnome-1.0/enlightenment... well, when i try run any aplication, (emma, for sample), i receive this msg.: "Gnome-ERROR **: Could not create per-user Gnome directory - aborting." tnks. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jose Adalberto F. Gualeve | |-------------------------------------------------------| | Web: http://www.unimar.br/fct/pessoais/gualeve-fct | | ICQ: 1822053 | | Usuario Linux Nro.118362 | +-------------------------------------------------------+ From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 4643 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 13:43:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 13:43:03 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id JAA02447 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:43:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 114 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1999 13:43:32 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 13:43:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 878 invoked by uid 501); 18 Aug 1999 13:48:49 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:48:49 -0400 (EDT) From: "russnelson.com" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users In-Reply-To: <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q This is something I notice a lot. I am entirely happy to submit > even the silliest of bugs, largely because the developers have > been really encouraging when I do, and apparently _like_ to be > told, "I just made cards disappear in AisleRiot," and so on. > > But working out what's causing the problem is hard. Don't worry about that. The best bug report is one that can be reliably reproduced. It's best not to speculate why -- that can throw the bug report reader off the track. Let them figure out why the problem occurs. -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From mdfulk@pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 13409 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 14:19:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 14:19:54 -0000 Received: from pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu [128.146.37.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA04799 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:19:53 -0400 Received: from campbell.mps.ohio-state.edu (campbell.mps.ohio-state.edu [128.146.38.12]) by pacific.mps.ohio-state.edu (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA29730 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:19:52 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:19:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Matt Fulkerson X-Sender: mdfulk@campbell.mps.ohio-state.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Debian 2.1 path for gnome-session Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've recently installed the Debain 2.1 desktop, and can't start gnome. I've added exec gnome-session to my .xsession file, but still need to specify the path for this command. I've looked around the entire file system, using find, but haven't found this file anywhere. I used dselect and apt to intall the task-gnome-desktop package. From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 16594 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 14:24:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 14:24:39 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05129 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:24:38 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA00799; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:24:59 +0200 To: José Adalberto Façanha Gualeve Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome-ERROR ** References: <3.0.1.32.19990818102148.006a48f8@unimar.br> From: Preben Randhol Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:24:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: José Adalberto Façanha Gualeve's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:21:48 -0300" Message-ID: Lines: 15 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 José Adalberto Façanha Gualeve writes: | hi, | i have install gnome-1.0/enlightenment... | well, when i try run any aplication, (emma, for sample), i receive this msg.: | "Gnome-ERROR **: Could not create per-user Gnome directory | - aborting." Have you created a user for yourself or are you running it as root? -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From dwilkins@kent.edu Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 18706 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 14:26:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 14:26:13 -0000 Received: from smtp02.kent.edu (smtp02.kent.edu [131.123.14.217]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05259 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:13 -0400 Received: from webmail.kent.edu (webmail.kent.edu [131.123.77.120]) by smtp02.kent.edu (8.8.7/8.8.5) with ESMTP id LAA09591 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:09:36 -0400 Message-Id: <199908181509.LAA09591@smtp02.kent.edu> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:25 -0400 Sender: dwilkins From: dwilkins To: gnome-list@gnome.org X-EXP32-SerialNo: 00002334 Subject: gnome tcp ports (including 2000) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: WebMail (Hydra) SMTP v3.50 Hello, I was wondering if some of you out there could help me out. I just installed RH6 and I told it to install Gnome. Now when I log in and do a netstat -a I don't see any tcp ports that are active. But when I startx, and get gnome working, and do a netstat in my xterm, I get all sorts of ports over 1000 running in addition to the normal port 2000 that the window manager runs on. Here's my question: is there any way to turn all of those ports off or alternatively, not allow anybody from the outside world to access them? I want as secure a system as possible. Is there a flag for compilation maybe that lets me get rid of those ports? I can't seem to find any answers in the documentation, but maybe I'm not looking in the right place. Thanks, Derek From stric@ing.umu.se Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 25319 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 14:30:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 14:30:37 -0000 Received: from tekla.ing.umu.se (root@tekla.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05590 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:30:36 -0400 Received: from thelma.ing.umu.se (stric@thelma.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.81]) by tekla.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id QAA27098 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:30:35 +0200 Received: (from stric@localhost) by thelma.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id QAA08654 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:30:35 +0200 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:30:35 +0200 From: Tomas Ogren To: Gnomes Subject: Re: Unidentified subject! Message-ID: <19990818163034.C8456@thelma.ing.umu.se> Mail-Followup-To: Gnomes References: <14265.38101.610574.254657@localhost.localdomain> <19990817223357.A32668@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <37B9ED88.328F9E17@jcinteractive.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <37B9ED88.328F9E17@jcinteractive.com>; from James M. Cape on Tue, Aug 17, 1999 at 06:17:28PM -0500 X-System: Linux thelma 2.0.37 X-Until2000: 4 months, 11 days, 7 hours, 55 minutes, and 36 seconds On 17 August, 1999 - James M. Cape sent me these 2,0K bytes: > Unfortunately, the E CVS server has been down for some time now, so the > only way to get CVS E (if you don't have it already) via either the > website or ftp site. It seems to be revived now. (Atleast according to mandrake) /Tomas -- Tomas Ögren, stric@ing.umu.se, http://www.ing.umu.se/~stric/ |- Student at Computing Science, University of Umeĺ `- Sysadmin at {cs,ing,acc}.umu.se From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 31595 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 14:34:36 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA05905 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:34:34 -0400 Received: from [204.255.236.73] (helo=lou-ts9-58.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11H6ml-0005Wx-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:33:52 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:37:42 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: Jacques Du Pasquier cc: Hawlisch Martin , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users In-Reply-To: <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII this brings up a good point (not that anyone will read this post - seems like my posts generally fall on deaf ears) gnome needs a 'users' mailing list and i feel it necessary that this list name be changed to reflect it's nature. this is not a user group. this is a developers group - although i thought there was already a dev group available. i've posted numerous questions and such that never found responses. what will the average user think if they come seeking help on an 'official' like list and never gets it? probably will turn to another environment such as KDE. i just think that, if gnome is to become successful, it's going to have to change it's target from developers to users. after all the users are the majority of the market - not the developers. anyway....can a gnome-user list be created? > > I understand the situation, and that's OK, and I'm not shocked that > what I thought would be a self-support user group is more like a > development coordination group, and I appreciate your good will to > help end users, too. I just hope you can make the thing work more > smoothly, and if you do that, that you say clearly that you did, so > that scared users come back. > > Jacques > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > ----- He may have come up with the recipe, but I came up with the idea of charging $6.95 for it. -- Moe Syzlak Flaming Moe's From sgage@micron.woodlot Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 25485 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 14:57:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 14:57:49 -0000 Received: from micron.woodlot (root@[204.71.147.95]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA08241 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:57:42 -0400 Received: from tds.net (IDENT:sgage@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by micron.woodlot (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA01751 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:57:37 -0400 Sender: sgage@micron.woodlot Message-ID: <37BAC9E1.28036603@tds.net> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:57:37 -0400 From: Steve Gage X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have been following this thread from the beginning, and I think jack's point is a good one. Since RH6 has been out for a while, I suspect that majority of Gnome users are _not_ developers, and a list or even a newsgroup for users would be justified. In fact, I think it's probably time for a linux.gnome.* set of groups. Personally, I prefer newsgroups to mailing lists, but that's just a matter of taste. Having said that, however, I find that my own questions on this list have been answered remarkably quickly and in good detail. I guess ymmv. - Steve "jack wallen, jr" wrote: > > this brings up a good point (not that anyone will read this post - seems > like my posts generally fall on deaf ears) gnome needs a 'users' mailing > list and i feel it necessary that this list name be changed to reflect > it's nature. this is not a user group. this is a developers group - > although i thought there was already a dev group available. > > i've posted numerous questions and such that never found responses. what > will the average user think if they come seeking help on an 'official' > like list and never gets it? probably will turn to another environment > such as KDE. > > i just think that, if gnome is to become successful, it's going to have to > change it's target from developers to users. after all the users are the > majority of the market - not the developers. > > anyway....can a gnome-user list be created? > > > > > I understand the situation, and that's OK, and I'm not shocked that > > what I thought would be a self-support user group is more like a > > development coordination group, and I appreciate your good will to > > help end users, too. I just hope you can make the thing work more > > smoothly, and if you do that, that you say clearly that you did, so > > that scared users come back. > > > > Jacques > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > ----- > He may have come up with the recipe, but I came up with the idea of > charging $6.95 for it. > > -- Moe Syzlak > Flaming Moe's > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 12715 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 15:31:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 15:31:28 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA11030 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:31:26 -0400 Received: (qmail 7724 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 15:31:23 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (195.153.205.172) by janus-145.insigma.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 15:31:23 -0000 Received: (qmail 6348 invoked by uid 1000); 18 Aug 1999 15:31:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990818163122.D4761@insigma.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:31:22 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: ; from jack wallen, jr on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 10:37:42AM -0400 On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 10:37:42AM -0400, jack wallen, jr wrote: > this brings up a good point (not that anyone will read this post - seems > like my posts generally fall on deaf ears) gnome needs a 'users' mailing > list and i feel it necessary that this list name be changed to reflect > it's nature. this is not a user group. this is a developers group - > although i thought there was already a dev group available. I think that this _should_ be a users' group. It has the right name; and as you say, there's already a developers' one available. I think that the problem here is not that this isn't intended to be a users' group, but more that people aren't always making it a users' group. I have a feeling that a lot of people do what I do, which is to read the devel list alongside this one, and consequently don't always distinguish the groups; this is the problem. There have been discussions in the past about having newsgroups to do this. I don't think any of the 'core' GNOME people ever came out and said anything either way on this, although I could well have lost a message amidst the noise. James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 17205 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 15:38:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 15:38:51 -0000 Received: from wainwright.nir.nrpb.org.uk (blacknet.nrpb.org.uk [194.129.135.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11634 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:38:50 -0400 Received: (from prw@localhost) by wainwright.nir.nrpb.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28887 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:39:36 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:39:35 +0100 From: Peter Wainwright To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Saving and restoring an old panel state Message-ID: <19990818163935.B28606@wainwright> Reply-To: Peter Wainwright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 I'm afraid that the panel is still not completely stable (particularly if you do stupid stuff that crashes X or uses up all the memory). Because of the way the panel saves its session, sometimes you can end up with your settings lost. So, I wrote a couple of trivial scripts to save a good panel state, and then restore it if necessary: wainwright$ cat ~/bin/backup_panel #!/bin/sh cd ~/.gnome/panel.d set `ls -1dt Session-* | grep -v backup` dir=$1 echo "Backing up $dir" rm -f backup/* cp -p $dir/* backup for f in backup/*; do sed -e "s/$dir/backup/g" $f > temp_file if ! diff temp_file $f; then mv -f temp_file $f; fi done wainwright$ cat `which restore_panel` #! /bin/sh cd ~ killall panel sleep 10 xprop -root -remove GNOME_PANEL if [ "$1" != "" ]; then smid="$1" else smid=backup fi nohup panel --sm-config-prefix /panel.d/"$smid"/ /dev/null 2>&1 & Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 21206 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 15:43:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 15:43:06 -0000 Received: from wainwright.nir.nrpb.org.uk (blacknet.nrpb.org.uk [194.129.135.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12016 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:43:05 -0400 Received: (from prw@localhost) by wainwright.nir.nrpb.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA28967 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:43:53 +0100 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:43:52 +0100 From: Peter Wainwright To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Saving and restoring an old panel state Message-ID: <19990818164352.C28606@wainwright> Reply-To: Peter Wainwright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:38:57 Peter Wainwright wrote: > I'm afraid that the panel is still not completely stable (particularly if you do > stupid stuff that crashes X or uses up all the memory). Because of the way > the panel saves its session, sometimes you can end up with your settings > lost. > > So, I wrote a couple of trivial scripts to save a good panel state, and > then restore it if necessary: > > wainwright$ cat ~/bin/backup_panel > #!/bin/sh > cd ~/.gnome/panel.d > set `ls -1dt Session-* | grep -v backup` > dir=$1 > echo "Backing up $dir" > rm -f backup/* > cp -p $dir/* backup > for f in backup/*; do > sed -e "s/$dir/backup/g" $f > temp_file > if ! diff temp_file $f; then mv -f temp_file $f; fi > done > > > wainwright$ cat `which restore_panel` > #! /bin/sh > cd ~ > killall panel > sleep 10 > xprop -root -remove GNOME_PANEL > if [ "$1" != "" ]; then > smid="$1" > else > smid=backup > fi > nohup panel --sm-config-prefix /panel.d/"$smid"/ /dev/null 2>&1 & > Sorry, I forgot to mention: when restore_panel kills the existing panel, the session manager will try to restart it. However, it will find the property GNOME_PANEL on the root window, and give you that irritating (and erroneous) prompt about finding an existing panel. You have to answer "no" to this. Your backup panel will restart after a decent interval (10s). > > > Peter Wainwright > Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk > http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 > Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From colin.marquardt@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 23948 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 16:23:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 16:23:30 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA15320 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:23:30 -0400 Received: (qmail 13203 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1999 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ashwork.colinathome.de) (145.253.107.156) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 16:23:13 -0000 Received: from colin by ashwork.colinathome.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11GsAA-00019q-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:57:02 +0200 To: Andre-John Mas Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sanitisation Tester References: <37B9DFAD.57DE67D8@act.qc.ca> In-Reply-To: Andre-John Mas's message of "Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:18:21 -0400" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 18 Aug 1999 00:57:02 +0200 Message-ID: <87907aqam9.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: Colin Marquardt From: Colin Marquardt * Andre-John Mas writes: > I was wondering whether there was a tool available to identify > gnome setup problems? - library incompatibilities and missing > required libraries. If not then this could be a handy tool to > put together. Not quite as sophisticated, but gversion from gqview.netpedia.net at least lists stuff that is important in relation to Gnome. It requires Gnome though, so you will have a chicken-and-egg problem... -- Colin Marquardt From mario@p133.inode.at Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 1173 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 16:35:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 16:35:15 -0000 Received: from p133.inode.at (root@p133.inode.at [195.58.160.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA16735 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:35:14 -0400 Received: from inode.at (line53.dialup.wien.inode.at [195.58.161.181]) by p133.inode.at (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id SAA26333 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:35:09 +0200 Sender: mario@p133.inode.at Message-ID: <37BAE0D1.98E32C34@inode.at> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:35:29 +0200 From: Mario Vukelic X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Where do I set language to use (localization)? References: <37B9C459.6B33935E@inode.at> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks y´all :) -- Mario From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 233 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 16:52:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 16:52:11 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18098 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:52:10 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA06134; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:48:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA12253; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:50:30 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37BAE58B.B0D0B78E@cetelem.fr> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:55:40 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Abhijit Kalamkar CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: library path problem References: <37BA8699.FC522B09@wipinfo.soft.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit see LD_LIBRARY_PATH like export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:install_dir Abhijit Kalamkar wrote: > hi > i have recently downloaded some gnome libs and > gnome core and apps on my slackware linux system. > i dont have root access so i use other directory > than /usr as prefix , while the binaries i have > downloaded use /usr as prefix. so i get a "cant > load ... lib" error. > > is there any env. var. i can set to be able > to direct the path of the gnome libs. to the > gnome apps. ? (or i will have to compile the source?) > > Abhijit. > > > ------------------------------------------------------- > Abhijit Kalamkar > Software Engineer > Wipro - Technology Solutions Division > E-mail : abhijitk@wipinfo.soft.net > Home Page : http://members.tripod.com/NetVega/ > ------------------------------------------------------- > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From jobezone@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 2632 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 19:06:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 19:06:00 -0000 Received: from web217.mail.yahoo.com (web217.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA27908 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:05:59 -0400 Message-ID: <19990818190322.11592.rocketmail@web217.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [195.23.96.1] by web217.mail.yahoo.com; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:03:22 PDT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 12:03:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Eduardo Silva Subject: icons for Gnome To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Anybody could tell me how to send icons for use with gnome? i've improved the joystick one, and created a new one at http://www.leirianet.pt/~jobezone Eduardo === <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From colin.marquardt@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 26792 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 19:31:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 19:31:39 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA30177 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:31:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 1719 invoked by uid 0); 18 Aug 1999 19:31:34 -0000 Received: from muedi5-145-253-072-037.arcor-ip.net (HELO ashwork.colinathome.de) (145.253.72.37) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 19:31:34 -0000 Received: from colin by ashwork.colinathome.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11HAWg-0004YA-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:33:30 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gLyX to be included in gnome Workshop? References: <14265.60495.24985.104951@em2.my.own.domain> In-Reply-To: Svante Signell's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 01:12:15 +0200 (CEST)" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 18 Aug 1999 20:33:30 +0200 Message-ID: <87aerpaqh1.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Lines: 71 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: Colin Marquardt From: Colin Marquardt * Svante Signell writes: > The task is to find people interested in taking on a project to > develop a gtk-based front end to LyX. Forwarding a forwarded mail :-) ------- forwarded message: --------------------------------- To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Paul Seelig Subject: [lyx-devel] Finally GLyX !!! Date: 12 Jul 1999 09:03:10 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87908m4afl.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> ------- forwarded message: --------------------------------- From: asierra@servidor.unam.mx (Alejandro Aguilar Sierra) Newsgroups: local.lyx-devel Subject: Finally GLyX !!! Message-ID: Date: 12 Jul 99 06:52:49 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, During the last few years I have heard of several people that wanted to do this port but AFAIK nobody has done nothing (I hope I'm wrong). Well, this is a true step forward. I have wrote a small testing framework. It has only the main independent gui components of the main window (menu, toolbar and minibuffer), so you need to run a working lyx *before* to run glyx in order to test these components. The menu and toolbar tree is read from a file (thanks Jean Marc or who ever wrote the new lyxrc), in a pseudo scheme syntax. To do: Everything: - to link with lyx, currently it uses only the lyx server. at this stage this is enough since these 3 components only need to submit and receive lyx commands. - all the dialogs. it will need to use Allan signals stuff. - a special canvas with an api that the lyx painter can use and that can send events to lyx (which is the easy part). - the screen classes that currently are under redesign in 1.1. - etc. Get a small screenshot and the source code at: http://www.mx.lyx.org/glyx/ Greets, Alejandro -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Colin Marquardt From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 16090 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 19:59:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 19:59:08 -0000 Received: from mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (mailhub5.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00088 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 15:59:07 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp42-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.169]) by mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA31662 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:00:47 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14267.4247.981348.468336@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:59:19 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0 Hello, Remember? I'm the bloody "user" with the RH 6 box. :-) I found some time to read some doc, so I made sure to start gnome as it should be started (with exec gnome-session in ~/.xinitrc, and the WINDOW_MANAGER environment variable set to 'Enlightenment'). I also deleted ~/.gnome/session to start session management fresh, and I'm going to try, with your help, to make the thing work for me, reporting possible bugs along the way. As I said, I didn't know where to start to describe the various problems I met, so I'll start with the first thing I notice when logging in: it prints on the console the error message : Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0 (twice) What is that ? Jacques PS (off topic, just in case someone can help me out) : is there a way to get the error messages inside X, rather than going to the console screen and messing with gpm ? From ricardo@pc1.micasa Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 28797 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 20:35:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 20:35:31 -0000 Received: from pc1.micasa ([195.57.132.206]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03214 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:35:24 -0400 Received: from nettaxi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc1.micasa (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA23398 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:35:19 +0200 Sender: ricardo@pc1.micasa Message-ID: <37BB1906.44B7F8DB@nettaxi.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:35:18 +0200 From: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= Pascual Reply-To: ricardoF@nettaxi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: es, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Personalizable toolbars library v0.0.1 References: <37C2AA29.E03C80CF@nettaxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I've just uploaded this new version. Now this is starting to work. Please, download it and give it a try (if you don have anything better to do :) ). Send any comments to ricardoF@nettaxi.com (and to gnome-list) The file is at http://www.nettaxi.com/citizens/ricardoF/outbox/libptb-0.0.1.tar.gz Warning: don't try to do a make install, I don't know what would happen. -- Ricardo Fernández Pascual ricardoF@nettaxi.com Murcia. Espańa From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 30795 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 20:38:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 20:38:24 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03392 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:38:24 -0400 Received: from modem-239.name71.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.195.239] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HCTV-0004hL-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:38:21 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA15655 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:36:27 GMT Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:36:27 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0 Message-ID: <19990818213627.A15174@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14267.4247.981348.468336@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <14267.4247.981348.468336@localhost.localdomain>; from Jacques Du Pasquier on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:59:19PM +0200 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Jacques Du Pasquier (jacques@dtext.com) [99081821:16]: > > PS (off topic, just in case someone can help me out) : is there a way > to get the error messages inside X, rather than going to the console > screen and messing with gpm ? I have a little script in my ~/bin called xlog. Instead of startx, i can type xlog, and all the output from the x-server (and gnome) will be sent to the file log_of_x in my home-dir. The contents of the file are: #!/bin/bash cd ~/ startx >log_of_x 2>&1 That's it! Create the file, then do chmod 755 logx and stick in somewhere in your $PATH, ~/bin is cool for that. Give it a try. Any time you want to check for errors, just do a more log_of_x You could even tail -f the file, if you get lots of errors... You could make this file log many sessions, saving old data usng this line instead: startx >>log_of_x 2>&1 This adds new stuff to the bottom of the file. Your call. PS. I sometimes get the unknown window message, but it isn't a critical error, I think just a misbehaving app. It shouldn't really cause any troubles. (gnomecc does this a lot I think...) Run the logx script, reproduce some of your problems, and send the output to the list, we'll see what's wrong and get you fixed up... Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From nathan@islanddata.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 3905 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:23:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:23:30 -0000 Received: from islanddata.com (islanddata.com [204.253.170.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id RAA06797 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:23:29 -0400 Received: (qmail 26722 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:22:43 -0000 Received: from coconut.islanddata.com (nathan@207.110.37.45) by islanddata.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:22:43 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:59:29 -0700 (PDT) Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: Nathan Clegg Resent-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:23:29 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Island Data Sender: nathan@coconut.islanddata.com From: Nathan Clegg To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: trouble with cvs I've recently run into a problem where about half of the gnome modules I check out of cvs fail with messages similar to the one below. They used to work fine, but now won't check out with cvs versions 1.10.2, 1.10.5, or 1.9. Some modules work great, like bonobo, but the failing ones always die on the same directory with the message below. ORBit always fails on libIDL/ and gnumeric always falis on src/, for example. Any idea what has changed and how to fix it? cvs server: failed to create lock directory in repository `/cvs/gnome/libIDL': Permission denied cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvs/gnome/libIDL' cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up ---------------------------------- Nathan Clegg nathan@islanddata.com -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. --------------End of forwarded message------------------------- ---------------------------------- Nathan Clegg nathan@islanddata.com From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 14855 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:35:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:35:13 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07706 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:35:13 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11088; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:43:12 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Ben Frantzdale Cc: David Knight , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:43:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Ben Frantzdale's message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 18:32:30 -0400 (EDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a > bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them > per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to > match the gnome look.) > > I've done some and put 'em at > www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/kde_to_gnome/ these icons are very very very nice. We need to get these on the CVS and we need to get those used in GNOME. Are you coordinating with someone to get this done? If not, would you like a CVS account to help us? best wishes, -- miguel@gnu.org From echristo@cygnus.com Fri May 12 00:03:35 2000 Received: (qmail 18686 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:38:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:38:07 -0000 Received: from cygnus.com (runyon.cygnus.com [205.180.230.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08010; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:38:06 -0400 Received: from cygnus.com (echristo.cygnus.com [205.180.231.150]) by runyon.cygnus.com (8.8.7-cygnus/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA23877; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <37BB2895.BD26BD55@cygnus.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 14:41:41 -0700 From: Eric Christopher Organization: Cygnus Solutions X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Nathan Clegg CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > cvs server: failed to create lock directory in repository > `/cvs/gnome/libIDL': Permission denied > cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvs/gnome/libIDL' > cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up I had this problem too, the answer I was given was keep trying. Only one or two of the cvs machines have this problem and you won't get them all of the time. -eric From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 22150 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:45:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:45:34 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08451 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:45:33 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11101; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:53:31 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: "Dirk-Jan C. Binnema" Cc: , nat@nat.org Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes References: <000a01bee4f6$4a74aa00$0201a8c0@mindcrime.djb.nl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:53:31 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Dirk-Jan C. Binnema"'s message of "Mon, 9 Aug 1999 23:39:00 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Somehow, it has suddenly become quite acceptable to come up with GNOME > wishes... No > more "we accept patches"-answers ;-) We figured we were not helping creativity. And we really should work on making GNOME not just an attempt to provide a GUI for Unix systems, but rather the next generation GUI in terms of simplicity, ease of use, power and comfort. So we need as many ideas as possible, assemble them conceptually and deploy it. > - Is there some easy way to invoke the foot menu when doing right-clicks > on the desktop? Not an easy way that I know of. Bonobo will make this possible though. > I know this has come up before, but IMHO the GtkFileDialog is not really > sufficient for end-user apps. I think there should be a richer dialog, with > at least file type filtering. I'd say we leave the GtkFileDialog nice and > spartan as it is, and put the extra's in some GnomeFileDialog. Yes, agreed. Ettore has a working version for this new dialog box. It is going to appear in the near future in GNOME. Best wishes, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 28632 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:51:25 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA08950 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:51:23 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id QAA11166; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:59:28 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: "Jon M. Hanson" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-terminal not correctly logging exits References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 18 Aug 1999 16:59:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Jon M. Hanson"'s message of "Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:39:21 -0700 (MST)" Message-ID: Lines: 23 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > I noticed a problem with gnome-terminal not correctly keeping > track of when a user closes the gnome-terminal window. As a result, if I'm > logged in as root or my normal user account and use a gnome-terminal and I > do a finger command it correctly shows one login for every gnome-terminal > opened. However, once I logoff and I finger the just logged-off account it > says "Never logged in." If I logon remotely via telnet then the last login > time is correctly recorded. > I noticed that gnome-terminal has command line options (among > others): --login, --utmp, and --wtmp. I can seem to figure out exactly > what these command line options do. They don't seem to fix the problem > mentioned above. I need someone to look at the finger code and see what finger does to find out whether you have logged in or not. I do not know what is making finger believe that the user did not log in. Any help is appreciated, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 31667 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:53:25 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09109 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:53:23 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA11202; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:01:11 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Martin Hawlisch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-config vs. gnome-xml References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 18 Aug 1999 17:01:11 -0500 In-Reply-To: Martin Hawlisch's message of "Sun, 15 Aug 1999 16:08:07 +0200 (CEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > gnome-xml is definitely installed because: > $ xml-config --libs > -L/opt/gnome/lib -lxml -lz > > For me the problem occures because gnome-xml does not install the > xmlConf.sh. Are you sure that gnome-xml does not install the xmlConf.sh file? Probably you are installing gnome-libs and gnome-xml with different --prefixes? if that is the case, check the man page for gnome-config (I say so, because I wrote the man page, and I would like to have a reader ;-). It explains how to get gnome-config to work with various prefixes. best wishes, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 172 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 21:53:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 21:53:56 -0000 Received: from ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (ryouko.dgim.crc.ca [142.92.39.75]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA09152 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:53:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (wmaton@localhost) by ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA12097 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:53:24 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 17:53:24 -0400 (EDT) From: "William F. Maton" Reply-To: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 18 Aug 1999, Nathan Clegg wrote: > I've recently run into a problem where about half of the gnome modules I > check out of cvs fail with messages similar to the one below. They used > to work fine, but now won't check out with cvs versions 1.10.2, 1.10.5, or > 1.9. Some modules work great, like bonobo, but the failing ones always > die on the same directory with the message below. ORBit always fails on > libIDL/ and gnumeric always falis on src/, for example. Any idea what has > changed and how to fix it? > > cvs server: failed to create lock directory in repository > `/cvs/gnome/libIDL': Permission denied > cvs server: failed to obtain dir lock in repository `/cvs/gnome/libIDL' > cvs [server aborted]: read lock failed - giving up Remember that anoncvs.gnome.org is 4 systems. I run anoncvs.gnome.org A 209.81.8.253 anoncvs.gnome.org A 130.239.18.151 anoncvs.gnome.org A 142.62.1.41 anoncvs.gnome.org A 192.58.206.110 I run 142.62.1.41. It syncs with the main repository every three hours, 00,3,6,9,12, etc. In my setup, the ownership and perms change so that I have to chown them back to the gnomecvs user, and this can take up to 5 minutes. What may be happening is that you could cvs sync when I'm syncing, and you're hitting some files with improper perms. All I can say is to try avoiding those times, at least for my server. I can't speak for the others. (Note however, that when you try cvs updating again, your resolver will pick another of the four above, in which case it doesn't matter...but FWIW, there's the caveat for my server. > Nathan Clegg wfms From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 21109 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 22:21:58 -0000 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.159]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10898 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 18:21:54 -0400 Received: from dialin159.zdv.uni-mainz.de (root@dialin459.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.175.159]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA28848 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:21:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id UAA03930 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:23:34 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: not-for-mail From: Paul Seelig Newsgroups: local.gnome Subject: Re: gLyX to be included in gnome Workshop? Date: 18 Aug 1999 20:23:33 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Lines: 25 Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87k8qtdk2i.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <14265.60495.24985.104951@em2.my.own.domain> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Server-Date: 18 Aug 1999 18:23:33 GMT CC: svante.signell@telia.com (Svante Signell) X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" In-Reply-To: svante.signell@telia.com's message of "17 Aug 99 23:12:15 GMT" svante.signell@telia.com (Svante Signell) writes: > The task is to find people interested in taking on a project to > develop a gtk-based front end to LyX. > Are you aware of "http://www.mx.lyx.org/glyx/"? > OBSERVE: > Note that Lyx/LaTeX is to be seen as a complement to an integrated suite > of tools such as Word/Powerpoint/Excel. Even if an MS replacement > suite is developed, Latex is very IMPORTANT for example people writing > books, scientific journals, longer reports etc, where quality of > output is first priority. > LyX != LaTeX I'll probably always prefer any Emacs with AUCTeX and RefTeX over any LyX incarnation. I just could get along with this blackbox approach. ;-) Cheers, P. *8^) -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- From sean.middleditch@iname.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 8925 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 23:13:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 23:13:22 -0000 Received: from dns1.provide.net (dns1.provide.net [207.206.116.33]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13438 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:08:06 -0400 Received: from aweplay.net (IDENT:stm@usr03-026.provide.net [206.68.93.26]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28851 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:06:52 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Middleditch Organization: AwesomePlay Productions To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Bug/Where to Report Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:07:17 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99081819093000.01197@aweplay.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hello! I think I found a bug in some gnome software, but I'm exactly sure where to report it. The bug is in gftp, and I can't remember whether that's part of the official gnome distribution or not. Anyways, the bug is that I can no longer make the window smaller: I can make it larger though. This is really annoying, because it currently fills the whole screen, so I have to move the top panel out of the way to access the menu bar. I don't recall gftp working like this a few days ago. Sean Middleditch From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 15567 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 23:21:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 23:21:23 -0000 Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14223 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:21:21 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id TAA08907 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:20:50 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from serendipity (chi-tgn-gvr-vty5.as.wcom.net [216.192.152.5]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id TAA08822; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:20:30 -0400 (EDT) To: Sean Middleditch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Bug/Where to Report References: <99081819093000.01197@aweplay.net> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 18 Aug 1999 19:31:39 -0400 In-Reply-To: Sean Middleditch's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:07:17 -0400" Message-ID: <87btc4u0mc.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" Sean Middleditch writes: > Hello! I think I found a bug in some gnome software, but I'm exactly sure > where to report it. The bug is in gftp, and I can't remember whether that's > part of the official gnome distribution or not. Please send gftp bugs to the gftp author. Thanks, Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From lobo@pop03.pub01 Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 24466 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 23:36:21 -0000 Received: from pop03.pub01 (pop03.mail.com [165.251.32.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA15230 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:36:21 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m4.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.132]) by pop03.pub01 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA01770; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:36:08 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop03.pub01 Message-ID: <37BB41BA.27972524@email.com> Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:28:58 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "David C. Mason" CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Once more into the breach. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "David C. Mason" wrote: > > Gnomers, > > It is time once again to give you hell. Don't be offended, its my > job. Young and old, smart and dumb, hackers and non-hackers can all > reap the benefits of a well documented API so I am here to ask you > again... Please help out with the GNOME API documentation! > > There is much to do and much to learn. We need all that is said upon > the page of status: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/api-status.html > and more. > > We need introductions to each area: libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnorba, > and libart... we need editing, proofreading, tech-reviews. If it says > 'Incomplete'... do it, if it says 'Needs Reformatting' look at it, fix > it, or re-write it. If you don't know what to do, write me. If you > want to work on GTK instead go to http://www.gtk.org/rdp I would like to help, but I still can't get DocBook quite right. As someone on this (gnome-list) list already suggested, it would be nice if someone made a RPM with DocBook and its libraries and stuff. -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (lobo on irc) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From docjava@ricochet.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 3919 invoked from network); 18 Aug 1999 23:56:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 18 Aug 1999 23:56:55 -0000 Received: from mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net (mjames@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net [206.191.146.140]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16642 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 19:56:53 -0400 Received: (from mjames@localhost) by mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA02839; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:00:32 -0700 Message-Id: <199908192200.PAA02839@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net: mjames set sender to docjava@ricochet.net using -f From: "Michael D. James" To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> (nelson-gnome@crynwr.com) Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:15:08 -0500 References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> Where should I direct my feature requests that aren't actually bugs? For instance, the Gnome pager Applet works but I'm really missing some features of the fvwm pager. Another fvwm feature I miss is being able to push a window to the bottom with a right mouseclick -- but does this concern Enlightenment rather than Gnome? From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 13214 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 00:22:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 00:22:33 -0000 Received: from hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (dh-img-rel-1.compuserve.com [149.174.206.132]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18284 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:22:32 -0400 Received: (from mailgate@localhost) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) id UAA24802 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:22:27 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Received: from serendipity (chi-tgn-gvr-vty5.as.wcom.net [216.192.152.5]) by hpdmraaa.compuserve.com (8.8.8/8.8.8/HP-REL-1.2) with SMTP id UAA24780; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:22:17 -0400 (EDT) To: "Michael D. James" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> <199908192200.PAA02839@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 18 Aug 1999 20:33:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: "Michael D. James"'s message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:15:08 -0500" Message-ID: <879078txrc.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.0(beta67) - "20 minutes to Nikko" "Michael D. James" writes: > Where should I direct my feature requests that aren't actually bugs? > For instance, the Gnome pager Applet works but I'm really missing some > features of the fvwm pager. Give the bug a 'wishlist' severity. > Another fvwm feature I miss is being able to push a window to the > bottom with a right mouseclick -- but does this concern Enlightenment > rather than Gnome? If E is your WM, then this concerns E. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From ptoscano@loudoun.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 29176 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 02:13:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 02:13:08 -0000 Received: from bubba.toscano.org (cybercable-extern-1-212.loudoun.com [208.232.170.212]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA24418 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:13:05 -0400 Received: (from pete@localhost) by bubba.toscano.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA05054 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:11:44 -0400 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:11:44 -0400 From: Pete Toscano To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel not saving changes Message-ID: <19990818221144.A5002@bubba.toscano.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=FCuugMFkClbJLl1L; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i X-Files: The Trash is Out There --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable would somebody help me out there? i just got all the recent gnome patches and compiled them up and installed them. everything seems to be running great except for one thing; whenever i logout (with the "log out" button), the panel never saves its current=20 state and i always wind up starting with the default panel. the other gnome things i change settings for always seem to save their configuration, just panel is failing. until very recently, i used to use gnome at work too and it was fine there (just too heavy-weight=20 for my poor p2-233 w/128M ram), but here, i can't figure out what's=20 wrong. i've seen people mention this on the list before, but i've seen no answers. can/will anyone help? if there's any information i can provide (besides my atm card number and pin =3D;), just let me know and i'll get it to you asap. thanks, pete --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3u2fg5FhMNN6j168RAYQcAKDTh0pnIOt8DPyQGXGsTidOX9+tTwCguwH3 qO40+qo9SxXZKKARZM36wng= =7pUi -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --FCuugMFkClbJLl1L-- From pyromage@ync.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 14019 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 04:56:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 04:56:57 -0000 Received: from mail1.ync.net (mail1.ync.net [206.185.20.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA31668 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:56:57 -0400 Received: from pyromage (ync-dialup-034.ync.net [206.185.21.34]) by mail1.ync.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id AAA07167 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:10:33 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> X-Sender: pyromage@pop31.ync.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:58:10 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Mike Swieton Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes >We figured we were not helping creativity. And we really should work >on making GNOME not just an attempt to provide a GUI for Unix systems, >but rather the next generation GUI in terms of simplicity, ease of >use, power and comfort. Just my two cents on the topic: Don't let learning curve get in the way of ease of use. I do not know how to do this really, but I thought I'd suggest it to the gurus to see if they had ideas. Anyway let me clarify my stance: Linux, despite its steep learning curve, is extremely easy to use. WHy? Because almost any action can be done with a command or two typed in at the command line. Conversely, MacOS, which doesn't have a command line, makes most activities difficult, but has a shallow learning curve. Imho a GUI ought to not take too long to learn to use the basics, but it ought to over a shortcut to point-and-click. Now Linux as it is is a rather extreme implementation of this philosophy, but the "simplicity" part should not approach the other extreme of MacOS, which simply serves to make things more difficult. Not to be attracting flames, but Windows 9X/NT has a fair implementation of this. It allows be to hit ctrl-escape to invoke the start menu, and I can use the keyboard to navigate it easily. In fact, under Windows, most things have keyboard shortcuts. Keystroke-combos are not all that needs to be done to make a complete GUI, but its a good start. Currently, that's the only thing I really miss about Windows: The speed with witch I can access things on menus. Some of you are bound to notice that I'm in Windows as I write this. Not by choice ;) I just happened to be putting together the Win32 release of my current project. All the developement on it takes place under Linux 8-} From gphat@cafes.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 18487 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 05:04:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 05:04:30 -0000 Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA32017 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:04:30 -0400 Received: from Shaheed (shaheed.deepfreeze.org [207.65.240.3]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA28620 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:04:27 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990819000529.007bc970@cafes.net> X-Sender: gphat@cafes.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:05:29 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cory Watson Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" >Some of you are bound to notice that I'm in Windows as I write this. Not by >choice ;) I just happened to be putting together the Win32 release of my >current project. All the developement on it takes place under Linux 8-} Yeah, but at least you used a good mail client to send the message:) Long live Eudora, when someone creates a mail client better than Eudora (or on that doesnt look just like Netscape Messenger for godsakes) Ill almost never need Windows;) 'Course, I could write one, if I had time;) Cory Watson Computer Cafe Internet Services From martink@physics.ubc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 20260 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 05:05:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 05:05:31 -0000 Received: from physics.ubc.ca (martink@warp.physics.ubc.ca [137.82.43.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA32081 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:05:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (martink@localhost) by physics.ubc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21041 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:05:28 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Krzywinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes In-Reply-To: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Anyway let me clarify my stance: Linux, despite its steep learning curve, is > extremely easy to use. WHy? Because almost any action can be done with a > command or two typed in at the command line. Conversely, MacOS, which I couldn't disagree more. One can design an arbitrarily complex operating system for which any action can be done with a command or two typed in at the command line. The difficulty Linux poses to typical Windows users is (a) migrating to a Unix mind-set (b) being *aware* of just what the possibilities are [and this requires some significant computing know-how, in particular with network issues ... after all, everybody these days is hooked up to something] (c) wrestling with obscure man pages and terminology to figure out the syntax [although maybe to you and me the man pages seem clear, put yourself into the shoes of someone who has never had to deal with links, filesystems, And, as all things, Linux issues fall under two categories: impossible (those you don't know how to figure out) and obvious (those you have already figured out). > doesn't have a command line, makes most activities difficult, but has a > shallow learning curve. Imho a GUI ought to not take too long to learn to > use the basics, but it ought to over a shortcut to point-and-click. Now > Linux as it is is a rather extreme implementation of this philosophy, but > the "simplicity" part should not approach the other extreme of MacOS, which > simply serves to make things more difficult. Seriously, a GUI offers some rest in between system administrative tasks done from a console. It's nice and easy and itself not to difficult to use, but let's not forget what's actually running underneath and how high-maintenance it really is. Regards, Martin -------------------------------------------------- Charm is a way of getting the answer yes without asking a clear question. Albert Camus -------------------------------------- 1400/1424 - Martin Krzywinski System Administrator Center for Integrated Genomics BC Cancer Agency 600 West 10th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5Z 4E6 tel: (604) 877-6086 fax: (604) 877-6085 http://www.cigenomics.bc.ca From martink@physics.ubc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 22556 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 05:07:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 05:07:58 -0000 Received: from physics.ubc.ca (martink@warp.physics.ubc.ca [137.82.43.9]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA32217 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:07:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (martink@localhost) by physics.ubc.ca (8.9.1a/8.9.0) with SMTP id WAA21112; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:07:50 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:07:50 -0700 (PDT) From: Martin Krzywinski To: Cory Watson cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990819000529.007bc970@cafes.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > Yeah, but at least you used a good mail client to send the message:) Long > live Eudora, when someone creates a mail client better than Eudora (or on > that doesnt look just like Netscape Messenger for godsakes) Ill almost > never need Windows;) 'Course, I could write one, if I had time;) :) Very true. However, I have found xfmail to be an extremely functional, although dead-ugly, client. Balsa is pretty, but has few features. I was a little disappointed...there I was hoping for a superior Gnome product. Cheers, Martin ----------------------------------------------- Either I've been missing something or nothing has been going on. Karen Elizabeth Gordon ----------------------------------- 1422/1424 - Martin Krzywinski System Administrator Center for Integrated Genomics BC Cancer Agency 600 West 10th Avenue Vancouver, BC V5Z 4E6 tel: (604) 877-6086 fax: (604) 877-6085 http://www.cigenomics.bc.ca From gphat@cafes.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 24173 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 05:19:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 05:19:47 -0000 Received: from mail.cafes.net (mail.cafes.net [207.65.182.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA32534 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:19:46 -0400 Received: from Shaheed (shaheed.deepfreeze.org [207.65.240.3]) by mail.cafes.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA29961 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:19:44 -0500 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990819002046.007c6b10@cafes.net> X-Sender: gphat@cafes.net X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 00:20:46 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Cory Watson Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes In-Reply-To: References: <3.0.6.32.19990819000529.007bc970@cafes.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I can run Netscape Messenger and get the same look but better functionality than Balsa, and I like big neat mail clients over Pine, so Im stuck up the creek;) I wrote a half-ass client in Java as a class project last semester.. maybe one day I'll port it to C and write it for Gnome. At 10:07 PM 8/18/99 -0700, Martin Krzywinski wrote: > >> Yeah, but at least you used a good mail client to send the message:) Long >> live Eudora, when someone creates a mail client better than Eudora (or on >> that doesnt look just like Netscape Messenger for godsakes) Ill almost >> never need Windows;) 'Course, I could write one, if I had time;) > >:) Very true. However, I have found xfmail to be an extremely functional, >although dead-ugly, client. Balsa is pretty, but has few features. I was a >little disappointed...there I was hoping for a superior Gnome product. > >Cheers, > >Martin > >----------------------------------------------- > Either I've been missing something or nothing > has been going on. > Karen Elizabeth Gordon >----------------------------------- 1422/1424 - > >Martin Krzywinski >System Administrator >Center for Integrated Genomics >BC Cancer Agency >600 West 10th Avenue >Vancouver, BC V5Z 4E6 >tel: (604) 877-6086 >fax: (604) 877-6085 >http://www.cigenomics.bc.ca > > > > Cory Watson Computer Cafe Internet Services From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 10218 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 06:50:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 06:50:26 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA02867 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:50:25 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA02032; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:50:54 +0200 To: Miguel de Icaza Cc: Ben Frantzdale , David Knight , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" References: From: Preben Randhol Date: 19 Aug 1999 08:50:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: Miguel de Icaza's message of "18 Aug 1999 16:43:11 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 23 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Miguel de Icaza writes: | these icons are very very very nice. | | We need to get these on the CVS and we need to get those used in | GNOME. | | Are you coordinating with someone to get this done? If not, would you | like a CVS account to help us? I don't know if there are many graphics artist/designers here (on this list). But I think that it would be very nice if one could make a group of skilled graphics artists and also designers which could work to beautify GNOME. There is always a demand for new icons and logos. If this group could help out programmers with the graphics and suggest layout-changes to get the app more consistent/nice, I think this would help GNOME greatly. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 10389 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 06:50:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 06:50:33 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA02873 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:50:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id CAA14987; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:50:30 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:50:30 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Miguel de Icaza cc: David Knight , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Aug 1999, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a > > bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them > > per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to > > match the gnome look.) > > > > I've done some and put 'em at > > www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/kde_to_gnome/ > > these icons are very very very nice. Thank you :-) > > We need to get these on the CVS and we need to get those used in > GNOME. > yep. > Are you coordinating with someone to get this done? If not, would you > like a CVS account to help us? I think Matthias Warkus (mawarkus@t-online.de) has gotten some onto CVS. I must admit I don't have the faintest idea how I'd get them included properly if I did have a CVS account, but that doesn't mean I couldn't learn:-) --Ben > > best wishes, > -- > miguel@gnu.org > From didier@informactis.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 17282 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 06:59:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 06:59:00 -0000 Received: from s2.smtp.oleane.net (s2.smtp.oleane.net [195.25.12.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA03244 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:58:59 -0400 From: didier@informactis.com Received: from informactis.com (dyn-1-1-007.Lyn.dialup.oleane.fr [62.161.7.7]) by s2.smtp.oleane.net with ESMTP id IAA17101 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:58:55 +0200 (CEST) Message-Id: <199908190658.IAA17101@s2.smtp.oleane.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:59:20 +0200 (CEST) Reply-To: dbr@informactis.com Subject: Re: Saving and restoring an old panel state To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <19990818164352.C28606@wainwright> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hello Peter, On 18 Aug, Peter Wainwright wrote: >> So, I wrote a couple of trivial scripts to save a good panel state, and >> then restore it if necessary: Cool. I'm not a guru to gnome, so I ask this :-): is it possible to do a backup of the configuration of the desktop when you use gmc ? Regards -- .--------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Didier Bretin, France | dbr@informactis.com | /V\ |-----------------------| www.informactis.com | // \\ | `--------------------------------| /( )\ | Visit: http://www.chez.com/compagnieexcalibur/ | ^^-^^ `--------------------------------------------------------' From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 18537 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 06:59:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 06:59:28 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA03303 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:59:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id CAA15031 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:59:27 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:59:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I've uploaded some more new stuff to www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/ if people want to take a look. One thing: Some of the entries that are left to be painted to fill the menus are a bit hard to make icons for. (ie It took quite a while to figure out what might be a decent MIME icon.) If there are some more obscure menu entries that any one has an idea what sort of thing would make a good icon, I'd be happy to paint it (least 'till school starts :-) --Ben From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 19102 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 08:13:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 08:13:55 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA07998 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:13:50 -0400 Received: from localhost (hawlisch@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with SMTP id KAA30454; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:13:14 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:13:13 +0100 (MEZ) From: Hawlisch Martin To: Miguel de Icaza cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-config vs. gnome-xml In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 18 Aug 1999, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > > gnome-xml is definitely installed because: > > $ xml-config --libs > > -L/opt/gnome/lib -lxml -lz > > > > For me the problem occures because gnome-xml does not install the > > xmlConf.sh. > > Are you sure that gnome-xml does not install the xmlConf.sh file? > Probably you are installing gnome-libs and gnome-xml with different > --prefixes? > > if that is the case, check the man page for gnome-config (I say so, > because I wrote the man page, and I would like to have a reader ;-). > It explains how to get gnome-config to work with various prefixes. It wasn't installing it but Daniel fixed it a few days ago. The CVS Log: 1.35 veillard Aug 15 13:19 Corrected xmlConf.sh missing in distrib, Daniel Cheers, Martin. __ ___ * _ _ |\/| /\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /\\ /| |(_`| |_| | |/--\| \ | || \| | |/--\\/\/ |_ |._)|_ | | mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch From docjava@ricochet.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 5436 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 08:39:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 08:39:37 -0000 Received: from mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net (mjames@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net [206.191.146.140]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA10583 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:39:35 -0400 Received: (from mjames@localhost) by mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA03469; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:43:07 -0700 Message-Id: <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net: mjames set sender to docjava@ricochet.net using -f From: "Michael D. James" Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:58:10 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> (message from Mike Swieton on Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:58:10 -0500) Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes References: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> > Just my two cents on the topic: Don't let learning curve get in the > way of ease of use. I do not know how to do this really, but I > thought I'd suggest it to the gurus to see if they had ideas. If this is an appropriate topic I'll throw in my own two cents. The worst thing about most GUI environments is they don't lend themselves to scripting. Computers were supposed to help us automate things. But on PCs I find myself doing a lot of manual repetitive tasks because I'm pointing and clicking instead of typing textual commands which could be put into a script. I don't know how to make a friendly GUI environment that is also friendly to automation. If there's a solution, I'm sure you guys will find it. One thing that comes to mind would be some way of viewing the command-line alternative to any series of actions in a GUI. Hmmmm. Michael From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 12046 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 08:55:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 08:55:34 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA11116 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 04:55:31 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA10012 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:54:37 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:54:37 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Message-ID: <19990819095437.B9847@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net>; from Michael D. James on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 11:58:10PM -0500 > I don't know how to make a friendly GUI environment that is also > friendly to automation. If there's a solution, I'm sure you guys will > find it. One thing that comes to mind would be some way of viewing > the command-line alternative to any series of actions in a GUI. Would this be possible to write? If so, I think that's a really cool idea. One of my problems recently was trying to work out what programs actually get run by menu items. (I find it easier to type than to guide a mouse about, and faster to type, say, 'xv &' than to click lots of times and curse as my mouse makes a break for freedom.) But clicking on a menu entry like 'about myself', there is no way to learn that I'm actually using a program called 'userinfo'. My usual solution is to run 'top' or various versions of ps and see what starts up :) As I type this now, of course, I've just realised that the answer to my problem was hidden in /usr/share/gnome/... where the menu entries live. D'oh :) I don't know whether this would do for what you wanted to do, though..? Telsa From stric@ing.umu.se Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 20953 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 09:55:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 09:55:19 -0000 Received: from tekla.ing.umu.se (root@tekla.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA17528 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 05:55:19 -0400 Received: from thelma.ing.umu.se (stric@thelma.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.81]) by tekla.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id LAA17690 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:55:17 +0200 Received: (from stric@localhost) by thelma.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id LAA18859 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:55:17 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:55:17 +0200 From: Tomas Ogren To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs Message-ID: <19990819115516.A18598@thelma.ing.umu.se> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from William F. Maton on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 05:53:24PM -0400 X-System: Linux thelma 2.0.37 X-Until2000: 4 months, 10 days, 12 hours, 40 minutes, and 28 seconds On 18 August, 1999 - William F. Maton sent me these 1,8K bytes: > Remember that anoncvs.gnome.org is 4 systems. I run > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 209.81.8.253 > anoncvs.gnome.org A 130.239.18.151 This one is mine. rsync'ing every hour at minute 56.. Takes under 5 minutes to run.. Has a 100mbit connection to the Swedish backbone. Maybe there should be some info-page somewhere about the anoncvs servers? (whom to contact when problems arise etc?) > anoncvs.gnome.org A 142.62.1.41 > anoncvs.gnome.org A 192.58.206.110 /Tomas -- Tomas Ögren, stric@ing.umu.se, http://www.ing.umu.se/~stric/ |- Student at Computing Science, University of Umeĺ `- Sysadmin at {cs,ing,acc}.umu.se From rebecca.ore@op.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 17321 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 12:43:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 12:43:18 -0000 Received: from ogoense.net (static-23.blackbox.netaxs.com [207.106.50.23]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23981 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:43:16 -0400 Received: (from rebecca@localhost) by ogoense.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id IAA20289 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:54:18 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:54:18 -0400 From: Rebecca Ore To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Message-ID: <19990819085418.E20037@ogoense.net> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95i In-Reply-To: <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net>; from Michael D. James on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 11:58:10PM -0500 On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 11:58:10PM -0500, Michael D. James wrote: > > Just my two cents on the topic: Don't let learning curve get in the > > way of ease of use. I do not know how to do this really, but I > > thought I'd suggest it to the gurus to see if they had ideas. > > If this is an appropriate topic I'll throw in my own two cents. The > worst thing about most GUI environments is they don't lend themselves > to scripting. > > Computers were supposed to help us automate things. But on PCs I find > myself doing a lot of manual repetitive tasks because I'm pointing and > clicking instead of typing textual commands which could be put into a > script. > > I don't know how to make a friendly GUI environment that is also > friendly to automation. If there's a solution, I'm sure you guys will > find it. One thing that comes to mind would be some way of viewing > the command-line alternative to any series of actions in a GUI. > > Hmmmm. I'm not a programmer, but a programmer and I talked once of something like rebus works -- script attached to a GUI which could then be further used to contruct larger units which would be set to a GUI. The command line and the GUIs covering earlier scripts could be combined, drag and drop GUIS into command-lines. Totally blue skying it, and we never went beyond that, but that was the concept. From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 32229 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 13:21:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 13:21:55 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup106.nni.com [216.107.9.222]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA25996 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:21:53 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id JAA11432 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:19:44 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:19:43 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnomeicu 0.65 Sound? Message-ID: <19990819091943.B11365@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 is esd running ? -- Eric Windisch On Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:46:56 xgv wrote: > Any gnomeicu users? > I'm a newbie running intel Redhat6.0 and a gnome user... > > 1. I downloaded the 0.65 file. > 2. cd into the appropriate directory and untarred it > 3. cd into the appropriate directory and ./configure > 4. make > 5. make install > > This went smooth, no unexpected snags and I was very happy. > After playing around a bit with the program I learned I can only get a > "beep" and no "sound events". > I'd really like to have the sound events working instead of the > generic/cheesey "beep". > What must this newbie do? > Thanks in advance... Allan > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From pa@mailhub2.isdnet.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 32566 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 13:22:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 13:22:11 -0000 Received: from mailhub2.isdnet.net (mailhub2.isdnet.net [195.154.209.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26005 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:22:09 -0400 Received: from cpe.fr ([194.149.164.173]) by mailhub2.isdnet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA64743 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:22:08 +0200 (CEST) Sender: pa@mailhub2.isdnet.net Message-ID: <37BC2342.294C1C26@cpe.fr> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:31:14 +0000 From: Pierre-Antoine CHAMPIN X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ML Gnome Subject: Problem with panel applets Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Since yesterday, I experiment a problem with my panel applets : they seem to be unable to read their config files ~/.gnome/panel.d/Session-/Applet__Extern - and it's the same with all users... I upgraded my orbit packages a few days ago - may that be the reason ? thanx for help Pierre-Antoine From velokoi@dircon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 32604 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 13:22:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 13:22:12 -0000 Received: from mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (mailhost1.dircon.co.uk [194.112.32.65]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA26010 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:22:12 -0400 Received: from 194.112.58.131 ([194.112.58.131]) by mailhost1.dircon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA18730 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:22:07 +0100 (BST) From: velokoi@dircon.co.uk (Stefan Elisa Kapusniak) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:42:12 +0100 Organization: The Court of the Queen-Architect Message-ID: References: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> Lines: 52 In list.gnome, "Michael D. James" wrote: >Computers were supposed to help us automate things. But on PCs I find >myself doing a lot of manual repetitive tasks because I'm pointing and >clicking instead of typing textual commands which could be put into a >script. > >I don't know how to make a friendly GUI environment that is also >friendly to automation. This is because there's a missing bit in most GUI environments, an all pervasive (and I mean ALL pervasive, as pervasive and all encompassing as elisp is to Emacs) programming environment that extends malleability and introspection to _everything_. In other words almost all GUIs have a great big Smalltalk shaped hole in them. NeXT filled that space with Objective-C, their class libraries, and Interface Building tools. But I don't think anybody has really attempted the required level of pervasiveness and integration since then, tho' I gain the impression that BeOS does to some extent. Have a look at http://www.squeak.org/ for a Smalltalk unfrozen from a time-capsule, thus with some archaic interface features around the edges, but currently under heavy development...especially take a look at the Morphic stuff and the Alice demos. The _problem_ from a conventional point of view with Smalltalk and anything like it, is the same as the advantage, the seamless intertwining of development and desktop environments. These sort of beasts act as their own 'desktop environent', and would really prefer to be running on bare hardware or a small kernel with graphics drivers, to get the correct fully immersive effect (-; This implies everything being re-implemented primarily inside the Smalltalk (or Lisp, or whatever) box. Thus Squeak comes with 'integrated' web-browser, web-server (with scripting), mail-reader, 3D graphics environment all written in itself. Oops, looks like we're back to Emacs again (-; -- Kapusniak, Stefan e From dneuer@futuristics.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 9280 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 14:34:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 14:34:35 -0000 Received: from kong.futuristics.net (kong.futuristics.net [209.119.235.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA31005 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:34:34 -0400 Received: from gyaos ([192.168.1.100]) by kong.futuristics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id KAA06879 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:31:51 -0400 Message-ID: <007701beea4e$c4ac7de0$6401a8c0@gyaos> From: "Dave Neuer" To: Subject: Fw: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:26:04 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Neuer To: Michael D. James Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 10:22 AM Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes >>If this is an appropriate topic I'll throw in my own two cents. The >>worst thing about most GUI environments is they don't lend themselves >>to scripting. >> >>Computers were supposed to help us automate things. But on PCs I find >>myself doing a lot of manual repetitive tasks because I'm pointing and >>clicking instead of typing textual commands which could be put into a >>script. > >I think that the GUI paradigm is somewhat antithetical to scripting; GUI's >are all about interaction, human-to-computer interface. Scripting is about >automation, computer-to-computer interface. MacOS has an Open Scripting >Architecture, an API which allows authors of gui apps to make their apps >scriptable. MacOS has to do this because it doesn't have a command-line >interface. GNOME could conceivably provide an API like this too, but why >should it? Unlike the MacOS, Unix/Linux already has a command line and >powerful scripting languages/engines. It has lots of little programs which >do one specific thing in a flexible, powerful way and languages to tie these >tools together. That's the Unix philosophy. > >Several people on this list previously have previously posted requests for a >"connect-the-dots" kind of inter-app connectivity, akin to pipes, but >graphically constructed. I think that that is a worthwhile goal which would >help newbie users automate simple tasks with GUI apps. However, I think >that once a user becomes comfortable enough to actually bang out a script in >some kind of textual, interpreted language, they might as well just use >existing command-line tools & scripting engines because these are already >optimized precisely for this type of activity. > >Just my 3 cents. > >> >>Hmmmm. >> >> Michael > >Dave Neuer > From alexander.dietrich@iname.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 29513 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 14:54:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 14:54:06 -0000 Received: from mail.provi.de (mail.provi.de [193.98.9.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA32649 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:54:05 -0400 Received: from dyn13.pm3-2.access.hh.provi.de ([195.222.212.77] helo=endor) by mail.provi.de with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HTZs-00004W-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:54:04 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990819165255.00938860@pop.gmx.net> X-Sender: 117412@pop.gmx.net (Unverified) X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:52:55 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Alexander Dietrich Subject: Panel feature (wish) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hello, there is a Panel feature that I'm frequently missing and I'd like to ask if it has been implemented yet (since my Panel is probably a little old, 1.0.4): I run my Panel in auto-hide mode at the top of the screen, and very often I "bump" the mouse pointer into the top edge on the way to the close button of some window. This of course causes the Panel to pop down, obstructing the said button so I have to move the pointer back a little until the Panel disappears and then carefully navigate to the close button again. Annyoing. There is already an "Auto-hide minimize delay" option, but what's missing is an "Auto-hide showup delay" or so. Does this feature already exist or can it be implemented ? I tried to update my gnome-core RPM from Gurulabs, but (as always) the dependencies got in the way. Why do I need "redhat-logos" or "Enlightenment" just to use Gnome ? And they seem to compile with glibc 2.1 :( Regards, Alexander Dietrich -- | Alexander Dietrich | Norderstedt, Germany | | e-mail: alexander.dietrich@iname.com | From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 9067 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 15:06:51 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f44.hotmail.com [216.32.181.44]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01069 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:06:51 -0400 Received: (qmail 18704 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1999 15:06:19 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819150619.18703.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:06:19 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME and WindowMaker Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:06:19 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I'm running the latest GNOME/WindowMaker. Are these two made to work with each other? My RH 6.0 came setup with GNOME/E, but E keeps crashing on me and messing up my settings - even though I got the latest RPMs for GNOME/E from RedHat. For instance, where do I find the option to 'refresh' the desktop; I can no longer find it now that I'm using WindowMaker. How do I tell GNOME now to re-create the icons? And sometimes gmc dumps core on me - many times actually. Is the GNOME/E combination something that works better or can I pick other window manager? Please advise Thank you. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 15058 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 15:10:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 15:10:43 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f67.hotmail.com [216.32.181.67]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA01399 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:10:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 36739 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1999 15:10:12 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819151012.36738.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:10:11 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GPPP applet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:10:11 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH 6.0. Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to disconnect ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died unexpectedly - error message. Is this something related to security rights? Thanks for any comments. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From mat@ares.valhalla.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 19421 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 15:18:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 15:18:30 -0000 Received: from ares.valhalla.net (root@ares.valhalla.net [195.26.32.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02484 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:18:28 -0400 Received: from 4thwave.co.uk (IDENT:mat@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ares.valhalla.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA17537; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:18:24 +0100 Sender: mat@ares.valhalla.net Message-ID: <37BC2040.3FD2AB35@4thwave.co.uk> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:18:24 +0100 From: Mat Withers Organization: 4th Wave Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Low Lifeboy CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME and WindowMaker References: <19990819150619.18703.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Low Lifeboy wrote: > > I'm running the latest GNOME/WindowMaker. Are these two made to work with > each other? > My RH 6.0 came setup with GNOME/E, but E keeps crashing on me and messing up > my settings - even though I got the latest RPMs for GNOME/E from RedHat. > For instance, where do I find the option to 'refresh' the desktop; I can no > longer find it now that I'm using WindowMaker. How do I tell GNOME now to > re-create the icons? > And sometimes gmc dumps core on me - many times actually. > Is the GNOME/E combination something that works better or can I pick other > window manager? > > Please advise > > Thank you. > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. I'm using WindowMaker 0.60.0 at the moment compiled with Gnome Support. It mostly works except that I cannot get it to pass root menu clicks onto gmc. I've disabled Dock and Clip and use panel instead. After fiddling with the attributes menu on various applications, I eventually added "*" = {NoAppIcon = Yes;}; to ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMWindowAttributes to disable all application icons. The only other annoying thing I can't get round is applications maximizing past panel. Mat -- Mat Withers System Support Manager - 4th Wave Technologies Work - mat.withers@4thwave.co.uk Phone - +44 (1794) 504040 From bidemi@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 10612 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:21:53 -0000 Received: from CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (bidemi@[24.112.244.139]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08729 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:21:47 -0400 Received: (from bidemi@localhost) by CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA26475 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:26:37 -0400 Message-Id: <199908191626.MAA26475@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:26:36 -0400 (EDT) From: Rasaki Bidemi Bolanle Temidire Reply-To: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: GNOME and WindowMaker To: GNOME Mailing List In-Reply-To: <37BC2040.3FD2AB35@4thwave.co.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi, In order to get the gmc and panel menu stuff on the root window under Window Maker, you need to move the Window Maker Applications menu so that it is activated by the middle or left mouse button. By default, the gmc and panel root menu is mapped to the right mouse button. Unfortunately, the Window Maker Applications menu is also mapped to the right mouse button by default. To correct this, bring up the Window Maker Configuration tool by going to the Control Panel, selecting the Window Manager subsection under Desktop and hitting the "Run Configuration Tool For Window Maker" button. When the configuration tool comes up, select the mouse icon. Under the "Workspace Mouse Actions", move the Applications menu to the middle mouse button, move the "Select windows" to the left mouse button and deselect the "Window list menu" option (you can use the GNOME pager to do the same thing as the Window list menu does). Save the new configuration. The next time that you use the right mouse button the root menu, you should get the gmc and panel menu. Under there, you can rescan/refresh the desktop and recreate icons, etc. I hope this helps. Bidemi Temidire On 19 Aug, Mat Withers wrote: > Low Lifeboy wrote: >> >> I'm running the latest GNOME/WindowMaker. Are these two made to work with >> each other? >> My RH 6.0 came setup with GNOME/E, but E keeps crashing on me and messing up >> my settings - even though I got the latest RPMs for GNOME/E from RedHat. >> For instance, where do I find the option to 'refresh' the desktop; I can no >> longer find it now that I'm using WindowMaker. How do I tell GNOME now to >> re-create the icons? >> And sometimes gmc dumps core on me - many times actually. >> Is the GNOME/E combination something that works better or can I pick other >> window manager? >> >> Please advise >> >> Thank you. >> >> _______________________________________________________________ >> Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com >> >> -- >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > I'm using WindowMaker 0.60.0 at the moment compiled with Gnome Support. > It mostly works except that I cannot get it to pass root menu clicks > onto gmc. I've disabled Dock and Clip and use panel instead. After > fiddling with the attributes menu on various applications, I eventually > added "*" = {NoAppIcon = Yes;}; to ~/GNUstep/Defaults/WMWindowAttributes > to disable all application icons. The only other annoying thing I can't > get round is applications maximizing past panel. > > Mat > -- "And politics is like war. It takes three things to win. The first is money and the second is money and the third is money." - Joe Kane From kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 10925 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:21:59 -0000 Received: from rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (root@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl [153.19.42.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08742; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:21:55 -0400 Received: from localhost (kloczek@localhost) by rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA29538; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:21:28 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:21:28 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= To: Miguel de Icaza cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: pre-release: Gnome-libs-1.0.13 In-Reply-To: <199908180152.UAA02728@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Tue, 17 Aug 1999, Miguel de Icaza wrote: > > Hello guys, > > A test release of GNOME-libs 1.0.13 has been uploaded to: > > ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/testing lftp ftp.gnome.org:/> cd pub cd: Access failed: 550 No such directory. kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie mają problemów, tylko sobie sami je stwarzają* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz Kłoczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 14071 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:24:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:24:37 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09155 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:24:36 -0400 Received: from modem-121.medroxyprogest.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.61.121] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HUzS-0005Dk-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:24:34 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02790 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:12:00 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:12:00 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Bug/Where to Report Message-ID: <19990819171200.D2157@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <99081819093000.01197@aweplay.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <99081819093000.01197@aweplay.net>; from Sean Middleditch on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 07:07:17PM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Sean Middleditch (sean.middleditch@iname.com) wrote: > Hello! I think I found a bug in some gnome software, but I'm exactly sure > where to report it. The bug is in gftp, and I can't remember whether that's > part of the official gnome distribution or not. > > Anyways, the bug is that I can no longer make the window smaller: I can make it > larger though. This is really annoying, because it currently fills the whole > screen, so I have to move the top panel out of the way to access the menu bar. > I don't recall gftp working like this a few days ago. > > Sean Middleditch Hmmm. I had this problem, but no longer have it with the latest version... I run 2.0.3 with no problems. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 14104 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:24:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:24:38 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09159 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:24:38 -0400 Received: from modem-121.medroxyprogest.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.61.121] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HUzT-0005Dk-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:24:36 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02767 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:10:39 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:10:39 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Saving and restoring an old panel state Message-ID: <19990819171039.C2157@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990818164352.C28606@wainwright> <199908190658.IAA17101@s2.smtp.oleane.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <199908190658.IAA17101@s2.smtp.oleane.net>; from didier@informactis.com on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 08:59:20AM +0200 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * didier@informactis.com (didier@informactis.com) wrote: > Hello Peter, > > On 18 Aug, Peter Wainwright wrote: > >> So, I wrote a couple of trivial scripts to save a good panel state, and > >> then restore it if necessary: > Cool. I'm not a guru to gnome, so I ask this :-): is it possible to do > a backup of the configuration of the desktop when you use gmc ? > > Regards > -- > .--------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Didier Bretin, France | dbr@informactis.com | > /V\ |-----------------------| www.informactis.com | > // \\ | `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | Visit: http://www.chez.com/compagnieexcalibur/ | > ^^-^^ `--------------------------------------------------------' Well, my personal solution is a couple of lines in my .xinitrc cd ~/ rm -rf ~/.gnome_backup cp -R ~/.gnome ~/.gnome_backup Every time gnome starts, the backup is created. If Gnome screws up, I just replace .gnome with the backup, *before* starting gnome again (the backup would be overwritten). It a heavy-handed cludge, but I use CVS gnome, and _my_own_ test code generally causes most of my problems! YMMV. PS That .sig sure is familiar :) You could have at least shrunk it down to fit your smaller email address:) Proportion is important I think... Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 14162 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:24:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:24:40 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA09163 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:24:39 -0400 Received: from modem-121.medroxyprogest.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.61.121] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HUzV-0005Dk-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:24:38 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02678 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:03:14 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:03:14 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users Message-ID: <19990819170314.B2157@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> <199908192200.PAA02839@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> <879078txrc.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <879078txrc.fsf@andrew.cmu.edu>; from Jacob Berkman on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 08:33:27PM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Jacob Berkman (jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu) wrote: > "Michael D. James" writes: > > > Where should I direct my feature requests that aren't actually bugs? > > For instance, the Gnome pager Applet works but I'm really missing some > > features of the fvwm pager. > > Give the bug a 'wishlist' severity. > > > Another fvwm feature I miss is being able to push a window to the > > bottom with a right mouseclick -- but does this concern Enlightenment > > rather than Gnome? > > If E is your WM, then this concerns E. > > Jacob Edit your /usr/share/enlightenment/keybindings.cfg and $themedir/actionclasses.cfg to change this. In e, clicking any part of any window with any button, modifier, or combination of modifiers can do anything you like! That's why its my wm. eg. If I middle-click my current window, it goes to the back, and if I middle-click the button on the top left, it saves a snapshot of the window to my home directory, a right-click saves a snap of the whole desktop! Using meta and ctrl, I can even select compression ratios! There's soooo much more! Use the power of e. Visit e.themes.org, read the docs, and configure. Its sooo worth it. (IMO.) Or visit my website and read the actionclasses.cfg you'll find there... Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From Moredhel@earthling.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 24950 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:37:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:37:20 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10802 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:37:19 -0400 Received: from cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM ([129.156.90.7]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA20201 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:37:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moredhel (moredhel [129.156.90.152]) by cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8/ENSMAIL,v1.7) with SMTP id RAA29929 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:37:16 +0100 (BST) Message-Id: <199908191637.RAA29929@cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:33:32 +0100 (BST) From: "Mark R. Bowyer" Reply-To: "Mark R. Bowyer" Subject: Re: Saving and restoring an old panel state To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-MD5: fxByMFl11oYWBR2DXfhWgw== >From: Tom Gilbert >PS That .sig sure is familiar :) >You could have at least shrunk it down to fit your smaller email >address:) Proportion is important I think... No, it's what you *do* with it that counts! -------My opinion - Not sane, intelligent or necessarily useful------- o o mailto:Moredhel@earthling.net /v\ark R. Bowyer. http://i.am/Moredhel mailto:Mark.Bowyer@UK.Sun.COM `-' "Everything is true, for a given value of 'true'" - PTerry From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 32624 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 16:55:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 16:55:55 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP66.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA12311; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:55:53 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13055; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:00:03 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:00:03 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: =?X-UNKNOWN?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= cc: Miguel de Icaza , gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: pre-release: Gnome-libs-1.0.13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE Try using a mirror. ftp.cybertrails.com has the file. On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Tomasz K=B3oczko wrote: > lftp ftp.gnome.org:/> cd pub > cd: Access failed: 550 No such directory. From rvaughn@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 8950 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:04:08 -0000 Received: from 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com (102bus10.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA12878 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:04:08 -0400 Received: (qmail 8539 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:04:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto) (199.33.176.3) by 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:04:07 -0000 From: "Roger Vaughn" To: Subject: RE: GPPP applet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:03:15 -0400 Message-ID: <003c01beea64$ba659040$152cfea9@pluto.seaconinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <19990819151012.36738.qmail@hotmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I get the same problem with gppp. I am able to use kppp from the KDE desktop (heretic! :-) inside of GNOME without a hitch. It doesn't interact with my modem-lights applet, but I may have fixed that (haven't tested yet). If nothing else, the help available with kppp may give you some tips on setting permissions. > -----Original Message----- > From: Low Lifeboy [mailto:lowlifeboy@hotmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:10 AM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: GPPP applet > > > I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH 6.0. > Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to disconnect > ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. > I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died > unexpectedly > - error message. Is this something related to security rights? > > Thanks for any comments. > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From jcromwell@us.ibm.com Fri May 12 00:03:36 2000 Received: (qmail 14513 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:08:40 -0000 Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13475 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:08:40 -0400 From: jcromwell@us.ibm.com Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.132.205]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA282004; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:08:16 -0400 Received: from d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com (d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.142.7]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id LAA118558; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:08:38 -0600 Received: by d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 872567D2.005E29D5 ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:08:30 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: "Roger Vaughn" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:08:25 -0600 Subject: RE: GPPP applet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline kppp is a very good program. Gnome would be well served by something comparable or maybe a port? From kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 21209 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:17:28 -0000 Received: from rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (root@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl [153.19.42.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14118 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:17:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (kloczek@localhost) by rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA30208 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:17:19 +0200 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:17:19 +0200 (CEST) From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Tomasz_K=B3oczko?= To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: pre-release: Gnome-libs-1.0.13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=ISO-8859-2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Cody Russell wrote: > > Try using a mirror. ftp.cybertrails.com has the file. > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Tomasz Kłoczko wrote: > > > lftp ftp.gnome.org:/> cd pub > > cd: Access failed: 550 No such directory. Thanks but .. $ mtr ftp.cybertrails.com 1. sunset40.pg.gda.pl 2% 61 62 1 1 36 223 2. z-ganska-e3.poznan-gw.pol34.pl 2% 61 62 10 9 24 408 3. poznan.ny.dante.net 0% 62 62 261 238 261 304 4. Pos4-0-0.GW7.NYC4.ALTER.NET 13% 54 62 264 236 260 288 5. 110.ATM2-0.XR1.NYC4.ALTER.NET 13% 54 62 269 231 258 283 6. 289.ATM7-0.XR1.NYC1.ALTER.NET 9% 56 62 258 232 259 311 7. 195.ATM8-0-0.BR1.NYC1.ALTER.NET 13% 54 62 258 241 260 294 8. s5-0-1.ar2.JFK.globalcenter.net 18% 51 62 505 445 560 663 9. pos3-1-155M.cr1.JFK.globalcenter.net 15% 52 62 542 450 559 653 10. pos0-0-622M.cr2.LAX1.globalcenter.ne 15% 52 62 484 383 472 548 11. pos1-0-0-155M.br1.LAX1.globalcenter. 10% 55 62 492 390 478 586 12. s12-1-1.cr2.PHX.globalcenter.net 14% 53 62 505 412 559 713 13. fe0-0.cr3.PHX.globalcenter.net 15% 52 62 512 445 578 791 14. s1-0.cr1.SCF.globalcenter.net 12% 54 62 514 405 492 554 15. mit-core-mti-r2.cybertrails.com 10% 55 62 555 540 645 806 16. 162.42.128.10 14% 53 62 504 422 489 545 17. nin.cybertrails.com 14% 53 61 573 538 637 734 and connection is stalled on resoving adres (fiew minutes) :) Any one know other fresh mirror ? (more then half listed on www list is not updatad or unreachable). And question to admins @gnome.org .. how long ? ;-) kloczek -- ----------------------------------------------------------- *Ludzie nie mają problemów, tylko sobie sami je stwarzają* ----------------------------------------------------------- Tomasz Kłoczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda.pl* From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 22852 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:19:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:19:28 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP66.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14243 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:19:26 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA13115; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:23:51 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:23:51 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Roger Vaughn cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: RE: GPPP applet In-Reply-To: <003c01beea64$ba659040$152cfea9@pluto.seaconinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What is GPPP? I've never heard of this until recently. On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Roger Vaughn wrote: > I get the same problem with gppp. I am able to use kppp from the KDE > desktop (heretic! :-) inside of GNOME without a hitch. It doesn't interact > with my modem-lights applet, but I may have fixed that (haven't tested yet). > > If nothing else, the help available with kppp may give you some tips on > setting permissions. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Low Lifeboy [mailto:lowlifeboy@hotmail.com] > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 11:10 AM > > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > > Subject: GPPP applet > > > > > > I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH 6.0. > > Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to disconnect > > ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. > > I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died > > unexpectedly > > - error message. Is this something related to security rights? > > > > Thanks for any comments. > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From rvaughn@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 24435 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:21:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:21:14 -0000 Received: from 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com (102bus10.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA14339 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:21:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 8690 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:21:12 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto) (199.33.176.3) by 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:21:12 -0000 From: "Roger Vaughn" To: "Gnome List" Subject: RE: GPPP applet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:20:18 -0400 Message-ID: <006801beea67$1c0d0920$152cfea9@pluto.seaconinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal I have to agree. It certainly has more (& useful!) features than gppp. > -----Original Message----- > From: jcromwell@us.ibm.com [mailto:jcromwell@us.ibm.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 1:08 PM > To: Roger Vaughn > Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: RE: GPPP applet > > > > > kppp is a very good program. Gnome would be well served by > something comparable > or maybe a port? From prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 26218 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:22:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:22:17 -0000 Received: from wainpr.demon.co.uk (wainpr.demon.co.uk [158.152.73.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14423 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:22:07 -0400 Received: (from prw@localhost) by wainpr.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.8.7) id RAA00692; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:13:33 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:13:32 +0100 From: Peter Wainwright To: submit@bugs.gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Bonobo bug report Message-ID: <19990819171332.B32656@wainpr.demon.co.uk> Reply-To: Peter Wainwright Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 Package: bonobo Version: CVS, 17/8/99 Severity: grave I've been hacking on bonobo from CVS, and learning a lot about CORBA and bonobo in the process. However, I came on this sporadic problem: When trying to launch gnumeric from the test-container example, from time to time, gnumeric crashes here (gdb) i s #0 0x40621111 in __kill () #1 0x40620d66 in raise (sig=0x6) at ../sysdeps/posix/raise.c:27 #2 0x40622447 in abort () at ../sysdeps/generic/abort.c:88 #3 0x405d7861 in g_logv () #4 0x405d7912 in g_log () #5 0x80f11da in workbook_set_auto_expr (wb=0x8182048, description=0x813c45e "Sum", expression=0x813c44d "SUM(SELECTION())") at workbook.c:1606 #6 0x80f1dbb in workbook_init (object=0x8182048) at workbook.c:1914 #7 0x403c89a4 in gtk_type_new (type=0xba15) at gtktypeutils.c:403 #8 0x80f1e80 in workbook_new () at workbook.c:1979 #9 0x8061a55 in WorkbookFactory_create_object (servant=0x814af78, goad_id=0x8181fd0 "IDL:GNOME:Gnumeric:Workbook:1.0", params=0xbffff64c, ev=0xbffff694) at corba-workbook-factory.c:78 #10 0x4054f5f5 in _ORBIT_skel_GNOME_GenericFactory_create_object (_ORBIT_servant=0x814af78, _ORBIT_recv_buffer=0x81817d8, ev=0xbffff694, _impl_create_object=0x8061a18 ) at gnome-factory-skels.c:111 #11 0x40587015 in ORBit_POA_handle_request (recv_buffer=0x81817d8, poa=0x81707c8) at orbit_poa.c:485 #12 0x405899da in ORBit_handle_incoming_request (recv_buffer=0x81817d8) at server.c:88 #13 0x40589c99 in ORBit_handle_incoming_message (recv_buffer=0x81817d8) at server.c:157 #14 0x405b7e79 in giop_recv_reply_buffer_use_multiple_2 (request_cnx=0x8180c40, request_ids=0xbffff72c, block_for_reply=0x1) at giop-msg-buffer.c:989 #15 0x405b7f59 in giop_recv_reply_buffer_use_2 (request_cnx=0x8180c40, request_id=0xbffff7b4, block_for_reply=0x1) at giop-msg-buffer.c:1023 #16 0x4055db85 in CosNaming_NamingContext_resolve (_obj=0x816f64c, n=0xbffff940, ev=0x8181a3c) at CosNaming-stubs.c:792 #17 0x40554abd in goad_server_register (name_server=0x816f64c, server=0x8181aa0, name=0x813d500 "GNOME:Gnumeric:GridFactory:1.0", kind=0x40116ee2 "server", ev=0x8181a3c) at goad.c:1174 #18 0x400f8f07 in gnome_embeddable_factory_construct (goad_id=0x813d500 "GNOME:Gnumeric:GridFactory:1.0", c_factory=0x8181a28, corba_factory=0x8181aa0, factory=0x80f7d0c , data=0x0) at gnome-embeddable-factory.c:115 #19 0x400f905b in gnome_embeddable_factory_new (goad_id=0x813d500 "GNOME:Gnumeric:GridFactory:1.0", factory=0x80f7d0c , data=0x0) at gnome-embeddable-factory.c:160 #20 0x80f7dac in EmbeddableGridFactory_init () at embeddable-grid.c:258 #21 0x805ef6d in gnumeric_arg_parse (argc=0x3, argv=0xbffffa54) at corba-args.c:36 #22 0x805ed52 in gnumeric_main (closure=0x0, argc=0x3, argv=0xbffffa54) at main.c:74 #23 0x805eecc in main (argc=0x3, argv=0xbffffa54) at main.c:139 #24 0x4061acb3 in __libc_start_main (main=0x805eeb0
, argc=0x3, argv=0xbffffa54, init=0x805c414 <_init>, fini=0x81144cc <_fini>, rtld_fini=0x4000a350 <_dl_fini>, stack_end=0xbffffa4c) at ../sysdeps/generic/libc-start.c:78 Gnumeric is attempting to register the grid factory with the nameserver. However, when it enters the loop in giop_recv_reply_buffer_use_multiple_2 in order to await the reply from the nameserver, it receives and processes the request from test-container. This causes it to attempt to create a workbook before it is properly initialized (the global symbol table which defines SUM() has not been initialized). Perhaps the correct thing to do is to keep the POA manager in the HOLDING state until the end of the initialization process. Presently it is activated in bonobo_init, called from gnumeric_arg_parse, and then again in _WorkbookFactory_init. I suggest deferring the activation of the POA manager, possibly by introducing a new function bonobo_activate() which should be called at the very end of initialization, just before entering gtk_main(). Here's a patch to bonobo: ======================================================================== diff -U3 -r bonobo-old/bonobo/gnome-main.c bonobo/bonobo/gnome-main.c --- bonobo-old/bonobo/gnome-main.c Sat Jul 31 22:18:03 1999 +++ bonobo/bonobo/gnome-main.c Thu Aug 19 11:59:30 1999 @@ -4,6 +4,7 @@ * * Author: * Miguel de Icaza (miguel@gnu.org) + * Peter Wainwright (prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk) */ #include #include @@ -11,7 +12,7 @@ CORBA_ORB __bonobo_orb; PortableServer_POA __bonobo_poa; -PortableServer_POAManager __bonobo_poa_manager; +PortableServer_POAManager __bonobo_poa_manager = NULL; /** * bonobo_init: @@ -54,12 +55,45 @@ } } - PortableServer_POAManager_activate (manager, &ev); + /* If we do this, embedded components may try to process incoming + requests before they are properly initialized - PRW */ + /* PortableServer_POAManager_activate (manager, &ev); */ __bonobo_orb = orb; __bonobo_poa = poa; __bonobo_poa_manager = manager; + CORBA_exception_free (&ev); return TRUE; } +/** + * bonobo_activate: + * + * Activates the Bonobo POA manager registered by bonobo_init + * This should be called at the end of application initialization. + * + * Returns %TRUE on success, or %FALSE on failure. + */ +gboolean +bonobo_activate (void) +{ + CORBA_Environment ev; + + CORBA_exception_init (&ev); + + if (!__bonobo_poa_manager) { + g_warning ("Tried to activate Bonobo before initializing"); + CORBA_exception_free (&ev); + return FALSE; + } + PortableServer_POAManager_activate (__bonobo_poa_manager, &ev); + if (ev._major != CORBA_NO_EXCEPTION){ + g_warning ("Failed to activate the Bonobo POA manager"); + CORBA_exception_free (&ev); + return FALSE; + } + + CORBA_exception_free (&ev); + return TRUE; +} diff -U3 -r bonobo-old/bonobo/gnome-main.h bonobo/bonobo/gnome-main.h --- bonobo-old/bonobo/gnome-main.h Fri Jul 16 20:30:54 1999 +++ bonobo/bonobo/gnome-main.h Thu Aug 19 12:01:30 1999 @@ -9,6 +9,7 @@ gboolean bonobo_init (CORBA_ORB orb, PortableServer_POA poa, PortableServer_POAManager manager); +gboolean bonobo_activate (void); extern CORBA_ORB __bonobo_orb; extern PortableServer_POA __bonobo_poa; ======================================================================== The PortableServer_POAManager_activate() call should also be removed from gnumeric, and replaced by bonobo_activate() after app initialization is REALLY complete. Peter Wainwright Home: prw@wainpr.demon.co.uk Work: peter.wainwright@nrpb.org.uk http://www.wainpr.demon.co.uk Fax: +44-870-052-3185 Visit the Opera Exchange Homepage at http://www.treda.co.uk/opex/ From rvaughn@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 17375 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:49:57 -0000 Received: from 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com (102bus10.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA16468 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:49:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 8904 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 17:49:55 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto) (199.33.176.3) by 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 17:49:55 -0000 From: "Roger Vaughn" To: "Cody Russell" Cc: Subject: RE: GPPP applet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:48:59 -0400 Message-ID: <006901beea6b$1e081900$152cfea9@pluto.seaconinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal It's the GNOME PPP dialer. It makes it very convenient for you to dial up ppp connections. It also manages multiple connection profiles if you dial into multiple locations. If you have used Windows (and who hasn't been forced to), it is similar in purpose to "Dial-Up Networking". > -----Original Message----- > From: Cody Russell [mailto:bratsche@dfw.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 1:24 PM > To: Roger Vaughn > Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org; recipient list not shown: ; > Subject: RE: GPPP applet > > > > What is GPPP? I've never heard of this until recently. From jdscott@execpc.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 3949 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 18:15:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 18:15:21 -0000 Received: from mailgw02.execpc.com (sendmail@mailgw02.execpc.com [169.207.3.78]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18208 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:15:20 -0400 Received: from jim (urdur-26.mdm.lac.execpc.com [169.207.105.154]) by mailgw02.execpc.com (8.9.1) id NAA28768 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:15:17 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Jim Scott" To: Subject: RE: GPPP applet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:53:43 -0500 Message-ID: <000e01beea6e$bde73160$8a69cfa9@jim> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Actually, I think it's called gnome-ppp. In answer to your original question, it could be a simple scripting problem. I got a similar error, because the default script was expecting "OK" after the password, but my ISP was passing "PPP STARTED". -----Original Message----- From: Cody Russell [mailto:bratsche@dfw.net] Subject: RE: GPPP applet What is GPPP? I've never heard of this until recently. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Low Lifeboy [mailto:lowlifeboy@hotmail.com] > > Subject: GPPP applet > > > > > > I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH 6.0. > > Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to disconnect > > ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. > > I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died > > unexpectedly > > - error message. Is this something related to security rights? > > From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 13173 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 18:46:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 18:46:11 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA20701 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:46:10 -0400 Received: from modem-58.lanthanum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.28.58] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HXCS-0007gc-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:46:09 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA12794 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:43:42 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:43:42 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [OT] Saving and restoring an old panel state Message-ID: <19990819194342.C9935@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908191637.RAA29929@cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <199908191637.RAA29929@cby-wts.UK.Sun.COM>; from Mark R. Bowyer on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 05:33:32PM +0100 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Mark R. Bowyer (Moredhel@earthling.net) wrote: > > >From: Tom Gilbert > > >PS That .sig sure is familiar :) > >You could have at least shrunk it down to fit your smaller email > >address :) Proportion is important I think... > > > No, it's what you *do* with it that counts! D'oh! Didn't see that one coming. :)) Maybe I should make my .sig *bigger*... Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From andrew@brighton-rock.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 25750 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 18:52:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 18:52:42 -0000 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk (mail11.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.23]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21252 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:52:41 -0400 Received: from modem-126.conjuror.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.147.126] helo=localhost.localdomain) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HXIg-0000ea-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:52:35 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00864; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:52:43 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:52:42 +0000 From: Andrew Atkinson To: jcromwell@us.ibm.com Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GPPP applet Message-ID: <19990819195242.A812@heaven> References: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com>; from jcromwell@us.ibm.com on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:08:25AM -0600 * jcromwell@us.ibm.com (jcromwell@us.ibm.com) [990819 19:12]: > > > kppp is a very good program. Gnome would be well served by something comparable > or maybe a port? > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > Gnome has gnome-ppp (it is now part of the gnome-network) which IMHO works just as well as kppp. Have a look at http://www.serv.net/~jpaint/ezppp/howto.html on how to set the thing up (EzPPP is an earlier version of gnome-ppp). On reading the document I was able to correctly configure gnome-ppp. I now connect to my ISP at the click of the mouse :-) -Andrew From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 28181 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 18:54:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 18:54:45 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21459 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:54:41 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA25822; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:52:24 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:52:24 -0500 Message-Id: <199908191352.IAA25822@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: frantzdb@admin.arhs.net CC: david@ritter.demon.co.uk, gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: (message from Ben Frantzdale on Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:50:30 -0400 (EDT)) Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" X-Lost: In case of doubt, make it sound convincing References: > > Are you coordinating with someone to get this done? If not, would you > > like a CVS account to help us? > > I think Matthias Warkus (mawarkus@t-online.de) has gotten some onto CVS. I > must admit I don't have the faintest idea how I'd get them included > properly if I did have a CVS account, but that doesn't mean I couldn't > learn :-) Ok, so want to help us? There are two types of way of integrating an icon: 1. The icon is used by the application and with the .desktop file for the menu. This usually involved adding the icon to cvs, and editing the .desktop file to reference this file. 2. The icon is a file-type, which is bound to a mime-type. This usually means adding a mime-type entry (if the mime type has not been defined before), providing in the .keys file a reference to the file. And both require usually small changes to the Makefile.am files to make sure they get installed on the proper location. Let me know how I can help the Icon team with this. best wishes Ben, miguel. From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 4649 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 18:59:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 18:59:35 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP66.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA21851 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:59:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA15606; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:04:00 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:03:59 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: jimscott@ablan.com, lowlifeboy@hotmail.com cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: RE: GPPP applet In-Reply-To: <000e01beea6e$bde73160$8a69cfa9@jim> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If it's gnome-ppp, it could mean a number of things. Make sure you have /etc/ppp/pap-secrets configured correctly in relation to your settings in gnome-ppp. chmod u+s /sbin/pppd (or wherever pppd is at). The pap-secrets file should look something like this: username remote_name password Those fields should correspond to the "Authentification" tab in gnome-ppp's account editor. Cody Russell On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Jim Scott wrote: > Actually, I think it's called gnome-ppp. In answer to your original > question, it could be a simple scripting problem. I got a similar error, > because the default script was expecting "OK" after the password, but my ISP > was passing "PPP STARTED". > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cody Russell [mailto:bratsche@dfw.net] > Subject: RE: GPPP applet > > What is GPPP? I've never heard of this until recently. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Low Lifeboy [mailto:lowlifeboy@hotmail.com] > > > Subject: GPPP applet > > > > > > > > > I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH 6.0. > > > Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to disconnect > > > ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. > > > I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died > > > unexpectedly > > > - error message. Is this something related to security rights? > > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From epg@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 6055 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 19:00:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 19:00:43 -0000 Received: from dethstar.ath.cx (root@port40.oxf.netdoor.com [208.148.218.104]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21934 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:00:38 -0400 Received: by dethstar.ath.cx via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:56:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:56:06 -0500 From: "Eric Gillespie, Jr." To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: NAS vs. ESD Message-ID: <19990819135605.D8986@dethstar> Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=zCKi3GIZzVBPywwA; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i --zCKi3GIZzVBPywwA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why doesn Gnome use esd instead of nas? When running the X server and clients on different computers, does esd play sound on the client machine (useless) or on the server machine? The reason I'm asking is that it looks like NAS does everything esd does and more. --=20 Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping." --Friedrich Nietzsche --zCKi3GIZzVBPywwA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3vFNFPTmY0kRwMzIRAWN4AJ4g8ndF2+kBzTPWacWamlOxI0zrAwCfTN9+ xK6WISTw4ZBAOuZbBxj0qdg= =A1RM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --zCKi3GIZzVBPywwA-- From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 2925 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 19:16:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 19:16:46 -0000 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk (mail3.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.19]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA23573 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:16:45 -0400 Received: from modem-59.name53.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.186.59] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HXg3-00020q-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:16:43 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13378 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:14:25 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:14:25 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GPPP applet Message-ID: <19990819201425.D9935@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com>; from jcromwell@us.ibm.com on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 11:08:25AM -0600 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * jcromwell@us.ibm.com (jcromwell@us.ibm.com) wrote: > > > kppp is a very good program. Gnome would be well served by something comparable > or maybe a port? A port? kppp runs on Linux, so does Gnome. A port? No need. In the terminal window next to this Eterm, I shall now type kppp. Oh look, there it is. kppp runs fine here, I have Gnome-session running etc, but kppp runs fine. (I don't use it, I use scripts/modemlights) Most Kde progs run just fine here. This is probably because I'm using CVS e, which has a growing kde-hint support library thanks to Rasterman. The next release will contain this functionality. The current cvs lets me run Kde apps with few problems. (I don't _use_ them, but I have tested the code works...) Sometimes I worry about the huge duplication we often bring upon ourselves, which just generates more work for everyone. We should start to share. Why have 2 gui ppp apps, when we could have one that rocked? IMHO of course. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From jcromwell@us.ibm.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 10276 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 19:25:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 19:25:38 -0000 Received: from e3.ny.us.ibm.com (e3.ny.us.ibm.com [32.97.182.103]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24242 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:25:38 -0400 From: jcromwell@us.ibm.com Received: from westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.132.205]) by e3.ny.us.ibm.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA234082; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:25:09 -0400 Received: from d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com (d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com [9.99.142.7]) by westrelay02.boulder.ibm.com (8.8.8m2/NCO v2.04) with SMTP id NAA52034; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:25:30 -0600 Received: by d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v4.6.4 (830.2 3-23-1999)) id 872567D2.006AB24E ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:25:24 -0600 X-Lotus-FromDomain: IBMUS To: Tom Gilbert cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <872567D2.006AB140.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:25:19 -0600 Subject: Re: GPPP applet Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline I was running KPPP under gnome for a while, but as I recall I abandoned it because I couldn't minimize it into the gnome panel. Am I mistaken here? As far as the duplication of work between KDE and GNOME, I don't think anyone would disagree with you about it being a bad thing, but it does seem to be the norm... regards - Jon From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 17454 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 19:31:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 19:31:48 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA24792 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:31:47 -0400 Received: from modem-162.name45.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.182.162] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HXub-0001km-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:31:45 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA13993 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:30:31 GMT Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:30:31 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GPPP applet Message-ID: <19990819203031.E9935@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <872567D2.006AB140.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <872567D2.006AB140.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com>; from jcromwell@us.ibm.com on Thu, Aug 19, 1999 at 01:25:19PM -0600 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * jcromwell@us.ibm.com (jcromwell@us.ibm.com) wrote: > > > I was running KPPP under gnome for a while, but as I recall I abandoned it > because I couldn't minimize it into the gnome panel. Am I mistaken here? > > As far as the duplication of work between KDE and GNOME, I don't > think anyone would disagree with you about it being a bad thing, but it > does seem to be the norm... > > regards - Jon In some cases norm!=good... Minimising to panel works for me. (CVS e from this morning, CVS Gnome from this morning) Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From a_g_lindstrom@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 23408 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 19:38:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 19:38:39 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law-f152.hotmail.com [209.185.131.215]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA25287 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 15:38:39 -0400 Received: (qmail 60199 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 1999 19:38:07 -0000 Message-ID: <19990819193807.60198.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 212.212.247.85 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:38:07 PDT X-Originating-IP: [212.212.247.85] From: "Anders Lindstrom" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Pager Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 12:38:07 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed When I click on a window in the pager it isn't brought to the front - the window just gets the focus which is completely useless. I've spent about 7 hour looking for a solution but can't find one. I'm sure this is a newbie (but nevertheless enthusiastic) question. It works on Windows ;-) (dwellers of the Western Hemishpere: PLEASE see the irony). Anders. ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 9975 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 20:08:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 20:08:24 -0000 Received: from mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (mailhub4.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.24]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA28105 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:08:23 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp13-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.140]) by mailhub4.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA22573; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:08:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <14268.25652.488877.558365@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:08:20 +0200 (CEST) To: "Anders Lindstrom" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Pager In-Reply-To: <19990819193807.60198.qmail@hotmail.com> References: <19990819193807.60198.qmail@hotmail.com> I think you just need the last Enlightenment (www.enlightenment.org) release. I'm using enlightenment-0.15.5-100 (note the -100 at the end) and this feature works. Jacques Anders Lindstrom a écrit (19.8.1999): > When I click on a window in the pager it isn't brought to the front - the > window just gets the focus which is completely useless. I've spent about 7 > hour looking for a solution but can't find one. I'm sure this is a newbie > (but nevertheless enthusiastic) question. It works on Windows ;-) (dwellers > of the Western Hemishpere: PLEASE see the irony). > > Anders. > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From rvaughn@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 12619 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 20:10:20 -0000 Received: from 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com (102bus10.tampabay.rr.com [24.94.102.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id QAA28409 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:10:20 -0400 Received: (qmail 9963 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 20:10:18 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO pluto) (199.33.176.3) by 102bus10.tampabay.rr.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 20:10:18 -0000 From: "Roger Vaughn" To: "Tom Gilbert" , Subject: RE: GPPP applet Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:09:13 -0400 Message-ID: <009501beea7e$b5278ec0$152cfea9@pluto.seaconinc.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 8.5, Build 4.71.2173.0 In-reply-to: <19990819203031.E9935@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Importance: Normal If you want just plain ol' minimize, sure. Kppp behaves like any other GNOME window - shows up in the pager etc. If you mean docking it into the panel and other funky things KDE does, then no, at least not with the current binaries. (I use the gurulabs builds) As far as duplication of effort, absolutely, I agree. I use kppp mostly 'cause I don't want to wait for gnome-ppp to catch up. I think what was meant by "porting" kppp was moving it from QT to GTK+. And yes, I run both at the same time, too. I begin to wonder if we need an abstraction layer around the widget kit. And then how many competing abstractions would we see..... ;-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom Gilbert [mailto:gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:31 PM > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: GPPP applet > > > * jcromwell@us.ibm.com (jcromwell@us.ibm.com) wrote: > > > > > > I was running KPPP under gnome for a while, but as I recall I > abandoned it > > because I couldn't minimize it into the gnome panel. Am I mistaken here? > > > > As far as the duplication of work between KDE and GNOME, I don't > > think anyone would disagree with you about it being a bad thing, but it > > does seem to be the norm... > > > > regards - Jon > > In some cases norm!=good... > > Minimising to panel works for me. (CVS e from this morning, CVS Gnome > from this morning) > > Tom. > -- > .-------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From pierlu@iName.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 572 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 20:39:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 20:39:29 -0000 Received: from pop02.prod (pop02.iname.net [165.251.20.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA30784 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:39:28 -0400 Received: from iName.com.iName.com (ts005d36.yng-oh.concentric.net [206.173.78.240]) by pop02.prod (8.9.1/8.8.0) with SMTP id QAA21461 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:39:25 -0400 (EDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14268.27802.888410.408533@iName.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 16:44:10 -0400 (EDT) From: pierlu@iName.com (PL. Miraglia) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GPPP applet In-Reply-To: <19990819195242.A812@heaven> References: <872567D2.005E2825.00@d53mta07h.boulder.ibm.com> <19990819195242.A812@heaven> X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" XEmacs Lucid Reply-To: pierlu@iName.com >>>>> "Andrew" == Andrew Atkinson writes: Andrew> Gnome has gnome-ppp (it is now part of the gnome-network) Andrew> which IMHO works just as well as kppp. Have a look at Andrew> http://www.serv.net/~jpaint/ezppp/howto.html on how to set the Andrew> thing up (EzPPP is an earlier version of gnome-ppp). On Andrew> reading the document I was able to correctly configure Andrew> gnome-ppp. I now connect to my ISP at the click of the mouse Andrew> :-) Gnome-ppp works, but at least here not as well as kppp. 2 problems I have with the latest incarnation (compiled from Gurulabs srpm on a RH 5.2 box): 1) the terminal window doesn't report the connection speed; 2) whatever the value I set for mtu and mru, gnome-ppp will connect at 296/296. But since kppp works quite well under gnome, I just don't use gnome-ppp ;-) -- --- *** --- *** --- *** --- Pierluigi Miraglia pierlu AT iname.com pmiragli AT kent.edu The soul has a self-increasing logos (Herakl.) From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 10642 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:15:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:15:22 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou4.iglou.com [192.107.41.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA01049 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:15:21 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.38] (helo=lou-ts1-24.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11HZWp-0000jx-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:15:19 -0400 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:19:09 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: pre-release: Gnome-libs-1.0.13 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE i've been asking about this very same subject for a week or so - with no luck. if anyone knows of an updated mirror please inform us all. even gurulabs is becoming out of date. On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Tomasz K=B3oczko wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Cody Russell wrote: >=20 > >=20 > > Try using a mirror. ftp.cybertrails.com has the file. > >=20 > > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Tomasz K=B3oczko wrote: > >=20 > > > lftp ftp.gnome.org:/> cd pub > > > cd: Access failed: 550 No such directory. >=20 > Thanks but .. >=20 > $ mtr ftp.cybertrails.com > 1. sunset40.pg.gda.pl 2% 61 62 1 1 36 = 223 > 2. z-ganska-e3.poznan-gw.pol34.pl 2% 61 62 10 9 24 = 408 > 3. poznan.ny.dante.net 0% 62 62 261 238 261 = 304 > 4. Pos4-0-0.GW7.NYC4.ALTER.NET 13% 54 62 264 236 260 = 288 > 5. 110.ATM2-0.XR1.NYC4.ALTER.NET 13% 54 62 269 231 258 = 283 > 6. 289.ATM7-0.XR1.NYC1.ALTER.NET 9% 56 62 258 232 259 = 311 > 7. 195.ATM8-0-0.BR1.NYC1.ALTER.NET 13% 54 62 258 241 260 = 294 > 8. s5-0-1.ar2.JFK.globalcenter.net 18% 51 62 505 445 560 = 663 > 9. pos3-1-155M.cr1.JFK.globalcenter.net 15% 52 62 542 450 559 = 653 > 10. pos0-0-622M.cr2.LAX1.globalcenter.ne 15% 52 62 484 383 472 = 548 > 11. pos1-0-0-155M.br1.LAX1.globalcenter. 10% 55 62 492 390 478 = 586 > 12. s12-1-1.cr2.PHX.globalcenter.net 14% 53 62 505 412 559 = 713 > 13. fe0-0.cr3.PHX.globalcenter.net 15% 52 62 512 445 578 = 791 > 14. s1-0.cr1.SCF.globalcenter.net 12% 54 62 514 405 492 = 554 > 15. mit-core-mti-r2.cybertrails.com 10% 55 62 555 540 645 = 806 > 16. 162.42.128.10 14% 53 62 504 422 489 = 545 > 17. nin.cybertrails.com 14% 53 61 573 538 637 = 734 >=20 > and connection is stalled on resoving adres (fiew minutes) :) > Any one know other fresh mirror ? (more then half listed on www list is > not updatad or unreachable). >=20 > And question to admins @gnome.org .. how long ? ;-) >=20 > kloczek > --=20 > ----------------------------------------------------------- > *Ludzie nie maj=B1 problem=F3w, tylko sobie sami je stwarzaj=B1* > ----------------------------------------------------------- > Tomasz K=B3oczko, sys adm @zie.pg.gda.pl|*e-mail: kloczek@rudy.mif.pg.gda= =2Epl* >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 >=20 ----- Jeez. No beer ... no opera dogs ... =09=09-- Homer Simpson =09=09 Bart the Genius From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 20983 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:37:55 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA02630 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:37:55 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HZsb-0002SS-0B; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:37:53 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA17401; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:37:20 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:37:19 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Tomas Ogren cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: <19990819115516.A18598@thelma.ing.umu.se> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Tomas Ogren wrote: > On 18 August, 1999 - William F. Maton sent me these 1,8K bytes: > > > Remember that anoncvs.gnome.org is 4 systems. I run > > > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 209.81.8.253 > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 130.239.18.151 > > This one is mine. rsync'ing every hour at minute 56.. Takes under 5 > minutes to run.. Has a 100mbit connection to the Swedish backbone. Well, around 10:30pm (BST) tonight it took four (maybe three?) attempts at cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center to get rid of (taking an example line): cvs update: move away control-center/capplets/screensaver-properties/screensaver-desktops/coral.png; it is in the way C control-center/capplets/screensaver-properties/screensaver-desktops/coral.png cvs update: move away control-center/capplets/screensaver-properties/screensaver-desktops/crystal.png; it is in the way and even now I'm stuck: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center cvs server: Updating control-center cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets/e-conf cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets/gl cvs server: Updating control-center/gl [ nothing else coming down the line ] > Maybe there should be some info-page somewhere about the anoncvs > servers? (whom to contact when problems arise etc?) Well, making sure every server works would be a good start ;-) -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 25321 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 21:52:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 21:52:03 -0000 Received: from ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (ryouko.dgim.crc.ca [142.92.39.75]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA03743 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:52:02 -0400 Received: from localhost (wmaton@localhost) by ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAA23687 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:51:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:51:28 -0400 (EDT) From: "William F. Maton" Reply-To: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > On 18 August, 1999 - William F. Maton sent me these 1,8K bytes: > > > > > Remember that anoncvs.gnome.org is 4 systems. I run > > > > > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 209.81.8.253 > > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 130.239.18.151 > > > > This one is mine. rsync'ing every hour at minute 56.. Takes under 5 > > minutes to run.. Has a 100mbit connection to the Swedish backbone. > > Well, around 10:30pm (BST) tonight it took four (maybe three?) attempts at > cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center to get rid of (taking an example line): Remember, in order to report problems, always, always, always do a netstat in another window when this runs. Otherwise you can't tell with which server you are experiencing the problem. > > Maybe there should be some info-page somewhere about the anoncvs > > servers? (whom to contact when problems arise etc?) > > Well, making sure every server works would be a good start ;-) Proper reporting goes much further too. :-) wfms From pyromage@ync.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 31154 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 22:07:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 22:07:58 -0000 Received: from mail1.ync.net (mail1.ync.net [206.185.20.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04823 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:07:58 -0400 Received: from pyromage (tcv90-ARC-001.050.ync.net [206.185.21.50]) by mail1.ync.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA22000 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:21:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <1.5.4.32.19990819220911.01143834@pop31.ync.net> X-Sender: pyromage@pop31.ync.net X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 1.5.4 (32) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:09:11 -0500 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Mike Swieton Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes What if you had a "script generator" program? The end result is that you can go through and add actions to a list of things it should do. You could have actions like "Search through files for a string" (i.e. it ought to run grep), and new programs would be addable via a module/plugin interface, so that it's extensible. Along with this would be a GNOME-specific interface, which would allow actions done that would normally require a mouse (or user input), like clicking buttons in applications and stuff. Then you'd hit a generate button, and it would pop up a window with the output saying what you want to do with it. Between the ability to modify open windows (Not sure if this would be possible; If it is it'd be necessary... Perhaps an app could have the GNOME-compliant window manager do it?), combined with a clean GUI interface to cryptic commands like sed, or controls like if's and stuff (and the inevitable complexity involved in manipulating windows via command-line), it would be a great tool. If you could get it to output comments it would also function as a teaching aid, so the user can learn REAL scripting if he so desires. I am not sure if this is possible, but if it could be done well, i believe it would allow for the automation and scripting you want, so power users can easily automate things, while at the same time allowing a simple point-and-click GUI for the MacOS refugee. Comments? >>I think that the GUI paradigm is somewhat antithetical to scripting; GUI's >>are all about interaction, human-to-computer interface. Scripting is about >>automation, computer-to-computer interface. MacOS has an Open Scripting >>Architecture, an API which allows authors of gui apps to make their apps >>scriptable. MacOS has to do this because it doesn't have a command-line >>interface. GNOME could conceivably provide an API like this too, but why >>should it? Unlike the MacOS, Unix/Linux already has a command line and >>powerful scripting languages/engines. It has lots of little programs which >>do one specific thing in a flexible, powerful way and languages to tie >these tools together. That's the Unix philosophy. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 32327 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 22:08:27 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA04901 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:08:26 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HaM8-000Ev8-0C; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:08:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA17488; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:07:51 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:07:51 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "William F. Maton" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, William F. Maton wrote: > On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > > > On 18 August, 1999 - William F. Maton sent me these 1,8K bytes: > > > > > > > Remember that anoncvs.gnome.org is 4 systems. I run > > > > > > > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 209.81.8.253 > > > > anoncvs.gnome.org A 130.239.18.151 > > > > > > This one is mine. rsync'ing every hour at minute 56.. Takes under 5 > > > minutes to run.. Has a 100mbit connection to the Swedish backbone. > > > > Well, around 10:30pm (BST) tonight it took four (maybe three?) attempts at > > cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center to get rid of (taking an example line): > > Remember, in order to report problems, always, always, always do a netstat > in another window when this runs. Otherwise you can't tell with which > server you are experiencing the problem. Alright, Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 6 cyberstorm:3584 cvsonopn.var:cvspserver ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 cyberstorm:3580 rufus.w3.org:ftp ESTABLISHED tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3576 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3575 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3574 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3573 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3551 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3551 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 results in: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center cvs server: Updating control-center cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets/e-conf cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets/gl cvs server: Updating control-center/gl [ nothingness ] 2nd try: Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 cyberstorm:3589 cvsonopn.var:cvspserver ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 cyberstorm:smtp punt-11.mail.demo:32863 TIME_WAIT tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3587 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3585 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 57 0 cyberstorm:3580 rufus.w3.org:ftp CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3576 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3575 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3574 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3573 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 1325 cyberstorm:3551 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 Results in: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center cvs server: Updating control-center cvs update: move away control-center/.cvsignore; it is in the way C control-center/.cvsignore cvs update: move away control-center/AUTHORS; it is in the way C control-center/AUTHORS cvs update: move away control-center/ChangeLog; it is in the way C control-center/ChangeLog [ snip ] 3rd try: Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 59 cyberstorm:3591 farbror.acc.:cvspserver ESTABLISHED tcp 0 0 cyberstorm:3590 farbror.acc.:cvspserver CLOSE tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3587 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3585 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 57 0 cyberstorm:3580 rufus.w3.org:ftp CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3576 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3575 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3574 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3573 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 0 1325 cyberstorm:3551 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd control-center cvs server: Updating control-center cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets/e-conf cvs server: Updating control-center/capplets/gl cvs server: Updating control-center/gl [ nothingness ] [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ rpm -q cvs cvs-1.10.5-2 [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ env | grep CVSROOT CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome HTH -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 3270 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 22:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 22:11:40 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA05193 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:11:39 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HaP8-000MCO-0A; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:11:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA17496; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:10:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:10:51 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "William F. Maton" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII And another: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd gnome-libs cvs server: Updating gnome-libs cvs update: move away gnome-libs/.cvsignore; it is in the way C gnome-libs/.cvsignore cvs update: move away gnome-libs/AUTHORS; it is in the way C gnome-libs/AUTHORS netstat at time: Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State tcp 0 0 cyberstorm:3593 cvsonopn.var:cvspserver ESTABLISHED tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3591 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3587 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3585 farbror.acc.:cvspserver FIN_WAIT1 tcp 57 0 cyberstorm:3580 rufus.w3.org:ftp CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3576 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3575 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3574 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT tcp 1 0 cyberstorm:3573 finch-caches.w:webcache CLOSE_WAIT Again, HTH. That done at 11:08pm BST -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 21837 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 22:43:59 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP42.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.52]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA07357 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:43:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA15886; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:48:29 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 17:48:28 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Roger Vaughn cc: Tom Gilbert , gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: RE: GPPP applet In-Reply-To: <009501beea7e$b5278ec0$152cfea9@pluto.seaconinc.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII There's really not all that much duplication of effort. KPPP and gnome-ppp are both based on Jay Painter's gnome-ppp. So a lot of the core code is very similar. KPPP runs as setuid root, and I believe Jay had some reason for not doing this with gnome-ppp so it has remained this way. The rest is, of course, differences in the GUI code which is unavoidable. The main thing that gnome-ppp needs in order to become more usable is to be able to do all configuration from within the GUI. As it is now, you have to edit a file as root in your /etc/ppp directory. This is something that I think I can fix pretty soon. Michael K. Johnson posted some information on a package that Red Hat has (I forgot what it is, I haven't read all about it yet), and there's gsu in the gnome-utils package. With one of those I think it will be possible to have gnome-ppp prompt the user for root password and then automatically write the data to the secure files. Cody On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Roger Vaughn wrote: > If you want just plain ol' minimize, sure. Kppp behaves like any other > GNOME window - shows up in the pager etc. If you mean docking it into the > panel and other funky things KDE does, then no, at least not with the > current binaries. (I use the gurulabs builds) > > As far as duplication of effort, absolutely, I agree. I use kppp mostly > 'cause I don't want to wait for gnome-ppp to catch up. I think what was > meant by "porting" kppp was moving it from QT to GTK+. And yes, I run both > at the same time, too. > > I begin to wonder if we need an abstraction layer around the widget kit. > And then how many competing abstractions would we see..... ;-) > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Tom Gilbert [mailto:gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk] > > Sent: Thursday, August 19, 1999 4:31 PM > > To: gnome-list@gnome.org > > Subject: Re: GPPP applet > > > > > > * jcromwell@us.ibm.com (jcromwell@us.ibm.com) wrote: > > > > > > > > > I was running KPPP under gnome for a while, but as I recall I > > abandoned it > > > because I couldn't minimize it into the gnome panel. Am I mistaken here? > > > > > > As far as the duplication of work between KDE and GNOME, I don't > > > think anyone would disagree with you about it being a bad thing, but it > > > does seem to be the norm... > > > > > > regards - Jon > > > > In some cases norm!=good... > > > > Minimising to panel works for me. (CVS e from this morning, CVS Gnome > > from this morning) > > > > Tom. > > -- > > .-------------------------------------------------------. > > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 3747 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 23:11:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 23:11:39 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09071 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:11:37 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HbLM-000CVv-0K; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 23:11:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA17776; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:11:07 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:11:07 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "William F. Maton" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Things are going downhill I think - after repeated attempts on getting gnome-libs from anoncvs I am only ever getting the: [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd gnome-libs cvs server: Updating gnome-libs cvs update: move away gnome-libs/.cvsignore; it is in the way C gnome-libs/.cvsignore etc messages. Before I'd at least get something down, occasssionally. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 8345 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 23:16:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 23:16:04 -0000 Received: from ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (ryouko.dgim.crc.ca [142.92.39.75]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA09383 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:16:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (wmaton@localhost) by ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24381 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:15:27 -0400 (EDT) From: "William F. Maton" Reply-To: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > Things are going downhill I think - after repeated attempts on getting > gnome-libs from anoncvs I am only ever getting the: > > [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd gnome-libs > cvs server: Updating gnome-libs > cvs update: move away gnome-libs/.cvsignore; it is in the way > C gnome-libs/.cvsignore > etc > > messages. Before I'd at least get something down, occasssionally. OK, when I got this, it usually meant that I hadn't cvs updated in a week. The fix was to rm -rf the module in question and do a fresh cvs get. wfms From wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 14719 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 23:32:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 23:32:55 -0000 Received: from ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (ryouko.dgim.crc.ca [142.92.39.75]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10469 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:32:54 -0400 Received: from localhost (wmaton@localhost) by ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA24507 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:32:16 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:32:16 -0400 (EDT) From: "William F. Maton" Reply-To: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > And another: > > [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd gnome-libs > cvs server: Updating gnome-libs > cvs update: move away gnome-libs/.cvsignore; it is in the way > C gnome-libs/.cvsignore > cvs update: move away gnome-libs/AUTHORS; it is in the way > C gnome-libs/AUTHORS > > netstat at time: > > Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State > tcp 0 0 cyberstorm:3593 cvsonopn.var:cvspserver > ESTABLISHED > tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3591 farbror.acc.:cvspserver > FIN_WAIT1 > tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3587 farbror.acc.:cvspserver > FIN_WAIT1 > tcp 0 2773 cyberstorm:3585 farbror.acc.:cvspserver > FIN_WAIT1 Either they're slow to respond, or your network connection is getting hammered someplace. wfms From dan@more.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 17096 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 23:39:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 23:39:53 -0000 Received: from jane.apg.more.net (jane.apg.more.net [207.160.133.140]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA10731 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:39:53 -0400 Received: (from dan@localhost) by jane.apg.more.net (8.9.1/8.9.1) id SAA30187; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:39:52 -0500 Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:39:52 -0500 Message-Id: <199908192339.SAA30187@jane.apg.more.net> X-Authentication-Warning: jane.apg.more.net: dan set sender to dan@jane.apg.more.net using -f From: Dan D Niles To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Help with gnome-libs I am trying to compile gnome-libs-1.0.11 on slackware 3.4. After MUCH work, it configures and starts to compile. It stops compiling and errors out with the following: In file included from libgnomeP.h:28, from gnome-config.c:49: ../libgnome/gnome-i18nP.h:17: libintl.h: No such file or directory make[2]: *** [gnome-config.lo] Error 1 I have searched my entire system and found no occurance of libintl.h. It *looks* like it should be in gnome-libs-1.0.11/intl. Where does this file come from? Thanks in advance, Dan From irup@online.no Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 22904 invoked from network); 19 Aug 1999 23:51:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 19 Aug 1999 23:51:01 -0000 Received: from cheddar.ostkupan.studenthem.gu.se (nat.studenthem.gu.se [193.10.163.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11622 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:51:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (irup@localhost) by cheddar.ostkupan.studenthem.gu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA12626; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:52:29 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:52:29 +0200 (CEST) From: Jon-Erling Dahl To: Dan D Niles cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Help with gnome-libs In-Reply-To: <199908192339.SAA30187@jane.apg.more.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Dan D Niles wrote: > > I am trying to compile gnome-libs-1.0.11 on slackware 3.4. > > After MUCH work, it configures and starts to compile. It stops > compiling and errors out with the following: > > In file included from libgnomeP.h:28, > from gnome-config.c:49: > ../libgnome/gnome-i18nP.h:17: libintl.h: No such file or directory > make[2]: *** [gnome-config.lo] Error 1 > > I have searched my entire system and found no occurance of libintl.h. > It *looks* like it should be in gnome-libs-1.0.11/intl. > > Where does this file come from? > > Thanks in advance, > > Dan > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > On my redhat 6.0 system: rpm -qf /usr/include/libintl.h glibc-devel-2.1.1-6 Erling From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 29176 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 00:08:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 00:08:19 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12577 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:08:18 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HcEB-0007Yu-0A; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:08:17 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id AAA17841; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:31:01 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:31:01 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "William F. Maton" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, William F. Maton wrote: > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > > Things are going downhill I think - after repeated attempts on getting > > gnome-libs from anoncvs I am only ever getting the: > > > > [jg@cyberstorm gnome]$ cvs -z3 update -Pd gnome-libs > > cvs server: Updating gnome-libs > > cvs update: move away gnome-libs/.cvsignore; it is in the way > > C gnome-libs/.cvsignore > > etc > > > > messages. Before I'd at least get something down, occasssionally. > > OK, when I got this, it usually meant that I hadn't cvs updated in a week. > The fix was to rm -rf the module in question and do a fresh cvs get. I tried three days after first checking out gnome from cvs and got it. It's just been continuing since then. I did rm -rf the lot and update within a day, but now it's started again. It is unreasonable to assume people with cvs can update so quickly all the time. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 1304 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 00:19:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 00:19:50 -0000 Received: from ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (ryouko.dgim.crc.ca [142.92.39.75]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13143 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:19:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (wmaton@localhost) by ryouko.dgim.crc.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA24915 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:19:18 -0400 (EDT) From: "William F. Maton" Reply-To: wmaton@ryouko.dgim.crc.ca To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > OK, when I got this, it usually meant that I hadn't cvs updated in a week. > > The fix was to rm -rf the module in question and do a fresh cvs get. > > I tried three days after first checking out gnome from cvs and got it. > It's just been continuing since then. I did rm -rf the lot and update > within a day, but now it's started again. It is unreasonable to assume > people with cvs can update so quickly all the time. Mmmmm....something's off somewhere. It's almost like time sync problems and Makefiles. wfms From hgebel@ns1.inet.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 19366 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 01:03:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 01:03:44 -0000 Received: from ns1.inet.net (ns1.inet.net [199.233.93.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15619 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:03:44 -0400 Received: from inet.net (inetc001c-4-22.9.96.206.in-addr.arpa [206.96.9.172]) by ns1.inet.net (8.8.5/Relay.Free.ISP) with ESMTP id VAA01806; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgebel@ns1.inet.net Message-ID: <37BCA8E9.B2417B46@inet.net> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:01:29 -0400 From: Harry Henry Gebel Organization: Dodd Dental Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org CC: Tom Gilbert Subject: Re: OT: how do I get rid of e pagers? References: <37AE3A0B.BDDB1652@fit.edu> <19990809220702.C4558@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > I can't seem to find documentation on removing enlightenments pagers > > from my desktop. The e-mac theme has it's own pager and I can't get rid > > of this one either. > > > > can someone help? > > > > eesh -e "pager off" I just tried this with E 0.15.5 and got the following error: Recieved Unknown Client Message. Client name: eesh Client version: 0.1 Message Contents: pager off I tried 0.15.5 once before and had to switch back to 0.15.4 to get rid of the pagers, I would really like to be able to stay with 0.15.5 so I can use the NumLock key but having to manually close all the pagers every time I start is getting old fast again. If anybody can tell me how to fix this behavior I would really appreciate it. Incidently, as soon as I switched to 0.15.5 any gnome-terminals which are automatically started up when I log in have the fortune and the first prompt displayed one character per line, but any terminals I start after I log in come up normally. By switching back to 0.15.4 this behavior goes away. I am using gnome-libs 1.0.12 and gnome-core 1.0.9 (but noticed the same behavior the last time I tried 0.15.5 which would be whatever gnome-libs and gnome-core were current when 0.15.5 was released.) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 West Dover Hundred, Delaware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From dneuer@futuristics.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 23445 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 01:08:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 01:08:08 -0000 Received: from kong.futuristics.net (kong.futuristics.net [209.119.235.34]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA15888 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:08:07 -0400 Received: from gyaos ([192.168.1.100]) by kong.futuristics.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA09519; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:05:25 -0400 Message-ID: <01fb01beeaa7$464e7ee0$6401a8c0@gyaos> From: "Dave Neuer" To: , "Mike Swieton" Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 20:59:37 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.2106.4 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.2106.4 As far as scripting GNOME apps goes, I think that anything above and beyond the idea that people had mentioned before about being able to "graphically pipe" a couple of applications together via some simple tool is overkill. Think about it: first off, we're talking about GUI programs, with all of the myriad function calls required for handling gui events, talking to the framework, etc. That's a lot of overhead, and in a human-computer interaction mode, it's fine because the slowest part of the equation is usually the human. But in the automated scenario, there's a lot going on all of a sudden that has nothing at all to do with the task at hand. For instance, you'd have to either start up all of the apps that the script used before hand, or wait while all of the data & code for the GUI (which you're not directly going to use) loads into memory during script processing, slowing down the script tremendously. Then, the app has to have some type of simple interface to deal with the data being sent to it, OR the scripting tool/script author has to simulate every single GUI event necessary to get the data in through the normal GUI -- every single mouse-move, -click and key-press (i.e., the script engine would have to take a string passed to it as output from one app and pick it apart, simulating a separate key press for every single character for input into, say, a text box in the other app). There is a really great app for the Mac, QuickKeys, that basically does this. But AFAIK it does it this way because on the Mac there is no other way to do it. And if something is slightly wrong (the target app pops its window up in a different place, some other event interferes with the scripted sequence of events), it blows up. The reason scripting works so well on Unix is you have lots of little apps which load and run quickly and have VERY well defined, SIMPLE interfaces (ie, you can talk to me via stdin, command-line args, and env variables, and I'll talk to you via my stdout & stderr -- you give me input I like, I processs, you give me input I don't like, I bail) I'd say to do it right, you'd need some kind of GNOME framework for scriptability. I guess perhaps with Bonobo, this wouldn't be as hard to come up with (don't really know -- haven't looked at Bonobo -- but if my understanding of it is not way off base, seems like apps could implement some kind of Scriptable interface which allowed a script author or scripting engine to interrogate the app to see what functions were available for calling from a script & what kind of object it wanted as a parameter, etc.). That would be much more efficient. But it would take effort on the part of the application developer to be script-friendly. What I think would be very very cool is to have every single application author write applications in such a way that the core functionality was entirely encapsulated in a library, with a GUI wrapper, a command-line interface wrapper, a GNOME_SCRIPT architecture wrapper, and an any-other-wrapper-anyone-cared-to-write wrapper. And if there were no economic pressures and people lived forever, it might even be a reasonable expectation. The only benefit I really see to this is that if someone comes to Linux/Unix and learns only the GUI, and then wants automation, they don't have to learn 10 new tools (scripting language + command-line tools), just the scripting language/engine. OTOH, your idea about a graphical scripting tool that uses a GUI as a front end to command-line tools is excellent; much more doable from a programmer standpoint, and useful for the "MacOS refugee" you cite, who doesn't want to learn all the CLI tools. My War and Peace, er, 2 cents ;-) Dave Neuer -----Original Message----- From: Mike Swieton To: gnome-list@gnome.org Date: Thursday, August 19, 1999 6:05 PM Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes >What if you had a "script generator" program? The end result is that you can >go through and add actions to a list of things it should do. You could have >actions like "Search through files for a string" (i.e. it ought to run >grep), and new programs would be addable via a module/plugin interface, so >that it's extensible. Along with this would be a GNOME-specific interface, >which would allow actions done that would normally require a mouse (or user >input), like clicking buttons in applications and stuff. Then you'd hit a >generate button, and it would pop up a window with the output saying what >you want to do with it. > >Between the ability to modify open windows (Not sure if this would be >possible; If it is it'd be necessary... Perhaps an app could have the >GNOME-compliant window manager do it?), combined with a clean GUI interface >to cryptic commands like sed, or controls like if's and stuff (and the >inevitable complexity involved in manipulating windows via command-line), it >would be a great tool. If you could get it to output comments it would also >function as a teaching aid, so the user can learn REAL scripting if he so >desires. > >I am not sure if this is possible, but if it could be done well, i believe >it would allow for the automation and scripting you want, so power users can >easily automate things, while at the same time allowing a simple >point-and-click GUI for the MacOS refugee. > >Comments? > >>>I think that the GUI paradigm is somewhat antithetical to scripting; GUI's >>>are all about interaction, human-to-computer interface. Scripting is about >>>automation, computer-to-computer interface. MacOS has an Open Scripting >>>Architecture, an API which allows authors of gui apps to make their apps >>>scriptable. MacOS has to do this because it doesn't have a command-line >>>interface. GNOME could conceivably provide an API like this too, but why >>>should it? Unlike the MacOS, Unix/Linux already has a command line and >>>powerful scripting languages/engines. It has lots of little programs which >>>do one specific thing in a flexible, powerful way and languages to tie >>these tools together. That's the Unix philosophy. > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From hamie@ascend.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 4775 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 01:40:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 01:40:08 -0000 Received: from drawbridge.ascend.com (drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA17717 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:40:08 -0400 Received: from fw-ext.ascend.com (fw-ext [198.4.92.5]) by drawbridge.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA22390 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:35:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from russet.ascend.com by fw-ext.ascend.com via smtpd (for drawbridge.ascend.com [198.4.92.1]) with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 01:40:06 UT Received: from wopr.eng.ascend.com (wopr.eng.ascend.com [206.65.212.178]) by russet.ascend.com (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id SAA07324 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:40:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from darling.eng.ascend.com (hnguyen-sx86.eng.ascend.com [172.20.32.196]) by wopr.eng.ascend.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with SMTP id SAA00068 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:41:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ascend.com by darling.eng.ascend.com (SMI-8.6/SMI-SVR4) id SAA04314; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:40:05 -0700 Sender: hamie@ascend.com Message-ID: <37BCB0B5.EA0186D5@ascend.com> Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 18:34:45 -0700 From: "Ham Nguyen [Anh Yeu Dau]" Organization: Lucent Technologies X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: 2 questions on how to customize mouse shortcuts Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I'm running RH6.0 with latest Gnome and Enlightenment. On Solaris CDE, I was able to customize these 2 mouse shortcuts: 1. Standard: left-click anywhere on the border/frame of a window will bring it upfront. With Enlightenment, only clicking on the title stripe would do that. Yup, I knew about Ctrl+Alt UpArrow but still prefer the mouse. 2. Customize: double middle-click brings up an xterm window. With Enlightenment, middle-click posts a menu instead. Question: how do I customize Gnome/Enlightenment to do above? thanks ha`m From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 11594 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 01:52:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 01:52:38 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA18383 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:52:37 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Hdr8-0004Gx-0C; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:52:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id CAA18174; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:52:06 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:52:06 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: "William F. Maton" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: trouble with cvs In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, William F. Maton wrote: > On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > > > OK, when I got this, it usually meant that I hadn't cvs updated in a week. > > > The fix was to rm -rf the module in question and do a fresh cvs get. > > > > I tried three days after first checking out gnome from cvs and got it. > > It's just been continuing since then. I did rm -rf the lot and update > > within a day, but now it's started again. It is unreasonable to assume > > people with cvs can update so quickly all the time. > > Mmmmm....something's off somewhere. It's almost like time sync problems > and Makefiles. Do: cvs up works fine. Nothing now happens with -z3 (no data, multiple attempts), and the aforementioned error disappears disappears when -Pd is removed. I don't know cvs, so you go figure =) HTH -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 26568 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 05:22:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 05:22:56 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA28383 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:22:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id BAA21175 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:22:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 01:22:55 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: icons for Gnome Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII In making icons for gnome, I'm interested in seing more KDE icons to get ideas. Not having KDE installed, I' wondering if anyone out there who does could send me a tarball of kde icons. If you could help, send me an email first so I don't end up wwith a pile of large tarballs in my mailbox. thanks much, --Ben From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 12567 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 06:15:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 06:15:33 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA30673 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:15:33 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id CAA21295 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:15:32 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:15:32 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" (fwd) Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:51:48 +0200 From: Torsten Rahn To: frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #2 -- "Spice up the menu" Hi, it seems that my last mail got lost !?!? Could you forward this mail please? I =B4m too lazy to subscribe to your mailing-list again ... Thanks in advance! > | I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a > | bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them > | per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to > | match the gnome look.) > > Yes please don't use them as is. They are horrible. Small correction: they are as beautiful as possible for LoColor-icons using 32x32 pixels *and* a fixed palette of 40 colors *and* a consistent style-guide that was developed under aspects of usability. But you=B4re right: gnome lacks LoColor-icons that prevent poor dithering in some situations (as reported by some people who use kde instead of GNOME because of this and who got quite upset when we (KDE) thought about dropping LoColor-icons.). If you want some more recent information about kde-icon-development look here: KDE 1.1.2: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/icons/eyecandy.jpg KDE 2.0: http://www.kde.org/kde2shots.html Style-Guides for KDE 1.1.2 and KDE 2: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/icon-style.html Note: the Style-Guides are not up-to-date -- the LoColor-icons already match the look of the HiColor-icons by now and I should ask Cristian Tibirna to update the HiColor-page to show the complete set of HiColor-icons as well. You could also compile some recent kde-snapshots or wait some three weeks for the next kde-release featuring a complete set of icons for *every* app and mimetype. Every set consists of: 48x48 HiColor -icons 32x32 HiColor -icons 32x32 LoColor -icons (and of course 16x16-LoColor-icons) (Which means that we had to create / update several hundered icons. This process took several months and is now very near to completion ....) You can swich between normal (32x32) and large icons (48x48) for kpanel and the rest of the desktop seperately now. If you have any questions concerning icon-development feel free to contact me ! Cheers, Torsten Rahn, kde-artist-team torsten@kde.org --- The GUI in =B4penguin=B4 is pronounced KDE. From dax@gurulabs.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 16869 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 06:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 06:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA31006 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 02:23:43 -0400 Received: (qmail 29841 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 06:23:42 -0000 Received: from brookie.inconnect.com (209.140.64.23) by mail with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 06:23:42 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 00:23:41 -0600 (MDT) From: Dax Kelson X-Sender: dkelson@brookie.inconnect.com To: Miguel de Icaza cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RH6 RPMs of test gnome-libs 1.0.13 In-Reply-To: <199908180152.UAA02728@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Here are new RH6 rpms for you to bang on and report any breakage to Miguel. ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/updates/i386/testing Also, if there are any other packages (or updates I don't have) that people would like RPMs created for, just drop me an email. Dax Kelson Guru Labs From lee0@callnetuk.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 5133 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 09:16:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 09:16:24 -0000 Received: from dent.axion.bt.co.uk (dent.axion.bt.co.uk [132.146.16.161]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA05753 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 05:16:24 -0400 Received: from everest.bt.co.uk (actually everest.srd.bt.co.uk) by dent (local) with ESMTP; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:14:54 +0100 Received: from pc6445.srd.bt.co.uk (pc6445.btlabs.bt.co.uk [132.146.201.39]) by everest.bt.co.uk (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.5/BT-SVR-1.0) with SMTP id KAA03331 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:14:52 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <008901beeaec$3fe7f460$27c99284@srd.bt.co.uk> From: Lee Mallabone To: gnome-list Subject: binary compatability prob? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:13:20 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Hi all, I upgraded my copy of control-center yesterday from 1.0.5 to 1.0.6 (first removing 1.0.5 completely), and now it fails to work. The control center itself loads, but all the capplets exit immediately, leaving "unable to reach control center" on the console. Everything else on my system is fine; My system is... redhat 6, gnome-libs 1.0.12, gnome-core 1.0.9, orbit 0.4.92. I'm baffled why it doesn't work on mine. I'm guessing others aren't having this problem as I've not seen any similar posts... Regards, -- Lee. http://atlas.cs.york.ac.uk/~lrpm100/ From wiliam@wiliam.sch.bme.hu Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 4658 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 11:02:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 11:02:39 -0000 Received: from wiliam.sch.bme.hu (wiliam.sch.bme.hu [152.66.227.100]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA09842 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:02:38 -0400 Received: from linuxfan.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by wiliam.sch.bme.hu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA01666 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:02:34 +0200 Sender: wiliam@wiliam.sch.bme.hu Message-ID: <37BD35CA.2A59D62E@linuxfan.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:02:34 +0000 From: Bilicki Vilmos Organization: V&A Computer System X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem with compiling Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi ! I have a linux system RedHat5.2. I have upgraded my gnome to following: gnome-core-devel-1.0.4-13rh gnome-games-devel-1.0.2-7.1 gnome-audio-extra-1.0.0-5 gnome-audio-1.0.0-5 gnome-libs-1.0.8-2rh gnome-media-1.0.1-2 gnome-games-1.0.2-7.1 gnome-users-guide-1.0.5-1 gnome-objc-1.0.2-1 gnome-pim-1.0.7-1 gnome-utils-1.0.1-5 gnome-libs-devel-1.0.8-2rh gnome-pim-devel-1.0.7-1 gnome-objc-devel-1.0.2-1 gnome-core-1.0.4-13rh gnome-linuxconf-0.22-0.1 gnome-network-1.0.2-2 When I try to compile programs they send me the following error message : for glib-config... (cached) /usr/bin/glib-config checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... yes checking what warning flags to pass to the C compiler... -Wall -Wno-unused checking what language compliance flags to pass to the C compiler... checking for tgoto in -ltermcap... (cached) yes checking for readline in -lreadline... (cached) yes >>checking for gnome-config... (cached) no >>checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found configure: warning: *** The gnome version will not be built *** checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... (cached) yes What can I do with this ? Thanx for the answers. Vilmos From kervin@mindspring.com Fri May 12 00:03:37 2000 Received: (qmail 14096 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 12:39:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 12:39:17 -0000 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14539 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:39:17 -0400 Received: from fit.edu (user-37kas8m.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.113.22]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA31931 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: kervin@mindspring.com Message-ID: <37BD4CA9.9848D352@fit.edu> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:40:09 -0400 From: Kervin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: need help starting gnome Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit hi, I've usually started gnome using the RedHat provided "xinitrc" file, and that works fine. But I can't start gnome using my own ".xinitrc" file in the user home dir. The gnomefaq, says "exec gnome-session" is all I need in my .xinitrc. But that gives me Authentication failed xinit: Server error. Earlier on I was getting errno=111 my .xinitrc comprises of only "exec gnome-session", and the user has never used gnome (ie. has no gnome config files/dirs in $HOME). I have gnome-libs 1.0.12, RedHat 6.0, gnome-core 1.0.9 ____________________________________________________________ Kervin Pierre. From ke@suse.de Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 15634 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 12:41:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 12:41:28 -0000 Received: from Cantor.suse.de (Cantor.suse.de [194.112.123.193]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA14650 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:41:26 -0400 Received: from Galois.suse.de (Galois.suse.de [194.112.123.130]) by Cantor.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63ED132CF9 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Wotan.suse.de (Wotan.suse.de [10.10.0.1]) by Galois.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06F2767B3 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: from Frechet.suse.de (Frechet.suse.de [10.10.0.123]) by Wotan.suse.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A127F8B for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:43 +0200 (MEST) Received: (from ke@localhost) by Frechet.suse.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA23926; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:40:38 +0200 Sender: ke@suse.de To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: howto gnome-print on SuSE Linux 6.2 From: Karl Eichwalder Date: 20 Aug 1999 14:40:38 +0200 In-Reply-To: Bilicki Vilmos's message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:02:34 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 50 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Some days ago I reported kind of a bug; maybe, this bug is hard to resolve (http://bugs.gnome.org/db/19/1944.html). Therefore, please let me ask for help; here is the description again: Background info: GNOME lives in /opt/gnome UWR fonts are in /usr/share/ghostscript/fonts Configuration was done with ./configure --prefix=/opt/gnome --datadir=/opt/gnome/share \ --localstatedir=/var/lib --sysconfdir=/etc/opt/gnome It compiled and installed flawlessly. But then: Frechet:~ # gnome-font-install ** WARNING **: Warning: the Times font was not found. Printing is unlikely to work unless basic fonts are installed. Please see: http://www.levien.com/gnome/font-install.html for more information. Okay, this documentation should come with the package. Please, include http://www.levien.com/gnome/font-install.html if you think this info is needed. Now, I tried: gnome-font-install --system --scan --no-copy \ --afm-path=/usr/local/share/fonts/afms \ --pfb-assignment=ghostscript,/usr/share/ghostscript/fonts fonts/ but still no success: ** WARNING **: Warning: the Times font was not found. Printing is unlikely to work unless basic fonts are installed. Please see: http://www.levien.com/gnome/font-install.html for more information. Please, tell me how to proceed. -- Karl Eichwalder SuSE GmbH phone +49-911-3247130 ke@suse.de Schanzaeckerstr. 10 fax +49-911-3206727 http://www.suse.de D-90443 Nuremberg, Germany From metallica@freenet.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 26451 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 13:08:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 13:08:23 -0000 Received: from maildns2.fsbdial.co.uk (s24.athenenet.co.uk [195.89.137.30] (may be forged)) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA16171 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:08:23 -0400 Received: from [212.1.135.170] by maildns2.freenet.co.uk (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT0619.00.9914eb79) with ESMTP id nuknnaaa for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:06:58 +0100 Message-ID: <002401beeb0d$5e986360$aa8701d4@windoze> From: "Alistair Sutton" To: "Lee Mallabone" Cc: References: <008901beeaec$3fe7f460$27c99284@srd.bt.co.uk> Subject: Re: binary compatability prob? Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:09:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 copy /usr/etc/CORBA/servers/gnomecc.gnorba to /etc/CORBA/servers/ and then try gnome control center again... it should work I had this problem after building the rpm's from the source... so i had to modify the spec file.. but if you copy the file to the right place then it should work Alistair From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 28816 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 13:46:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 13:46:22 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18826 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:46:21 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA25541; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:46:48 +0200 To: Kervin Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: need help starting gnome References: <37BD4CA9.9848D352@fit.edu> From: Preben Randhol Date: 20 Aug 1999 15:46:47 +0200 In-Reply-To: Kervin's message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:40:09 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Kervin writes: D| hi, | | I've usually started gnome using the RedHat provided "xinitrc" file, and | that works fine. But I can't start gnome using my own ".xinitrc" file | in the user home dir. The gnomefaq, says "exec gnome-session" is all I | need | in my .xinitrc. But that gives me Try using: .Xclients But have you installed a WindowManager like Window Maker or Enlightenment? -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From chtom@colba.net Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 32145 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 13:49:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 13:49:22 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (root@pm3-s1.colba.net [206.186.202.101]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA19055 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:49:21 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (IDENT:root@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA01194 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:52:42 -0400 From: Christiane Tom Reply-To: chtom@colba.net To: Subject: Panel keeps disappearing Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:39:00 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.24] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082009524200.01184@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit First, my appologies if this question has already been asked and answered - I did look through the list archive without finding a solution to my problem. I'm running RedHat 6.0 on my computer, and as a user I'm running the Gnome desktop. I love it but I've been having a problem with it - my panel keeps disappearing... it's the second time now, I log on and my desktop comes on, but without any panel. Sometimes I'll get a box that tells me that a panel is already running, do I want to start a second one (and no matter if I say yes or no, I still don't get my panel back) but usually there's no error message. The first time it happened, I ended up deleting the user, then going back in root and creating a new user, then configuring my panel again. This time I'm not sure *what* to do, and I don't want to go through the matter of creating a new user again if this problem is going to keep on happening. Does anybody have a hint for me ? Chris From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 14582 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 14:10:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 14:10:23 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20575 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:10:21 -0400 Message-ID: <37BD0731.D1159C8C@ntb.ch> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:43:45 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: chtom@colba.net, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel keeps disappearing References: <99082009524200.01184@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Christiane Tom wrote: > > First, my appologies if this question has already been asked and > answered - I did look through the list archive without finding a > solution to my problem. > > I'm running RedHat 6.0 on my computer, and as a user I'm > running the Gnome desktop. I love it but I've been having a > problem with it - my panel keeps disappearing... it's the second > time now, I log on and my desktop comes on, but without any > panel. Sometimes I'll get a box that tells me that a panel is > already running, do I want to start a second one (and no matter > if I say yes or no, I still don't get my panel back) but usually > there's no error message. The first time it happened, I ended up > deleting the user, then going back in root and creating a new user, > then configuring my panel again. This time I'm not sure *what* to > do, and I don't want to go through the matter of creating a new > user again if this problem is going to keep on happening. > > Does anybody have a hint for me ? > > Chris > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Hi Tom and all Actually, I have got the same effect from time to time. Without any apparent reason, at startup the panel starts and starts one applet after the other, and then: ooops -> it dissapears. Actually, it is sufficient to simply delete the ~/.gnome/panel.d directory. When having done that and starting the panel again a newly reinitialized panel shows up, but with all the settings and applets gone :-((( One solution has been offered by Tom Gilbert: > Well, my personal solution is a couple of lines in my .xinitrc > > cd ~/ > rm -rf ~/.gnome_backup > cp -R ~/.gnome ~/.gnome_backup > > Every time gnome starts, the backup is created. If Gnome screws up, I > just replace .gnome with the backup, *before* starting gnome again > (the backup would be overwritten). cu Hanspeter From docjava@ricochet.net Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 23607 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 14:22:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 14:22:01 -0000 Received: from mg-206253202-26.ricochet.net (mjames@mg-206253202-26.ricochet.net [206.253.202.26]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21424 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:21:59 -0400 Received: (from mjames@localhost) by mg-206253202-26.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA01918; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:25:10 -0700 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:25:10 -0700 Message-Id: <199908201425.HAA01918@mg-206253202-26.ricochet.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mg-206253202-26.ricochet.net: mjames set sender to docjava@ricochet.net using -f From: "Michael D. James" To: gisler@ntb.ch CC: chtom@colba.net, gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: <37BD0731.D1159C8C@ntb.ch> (message from HpG on Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:43:45 +0200) Subject: Re: Panel keeps disappearing References: <99082009524200.01184@localhost.localdomain> <37BD0731.D1159C8C@ntb.ch> I think I reproduced this problem a couple times by having a Netscape modal dialog come up when the panel was still being assembled. (FWIW the modal dialog was asking for username and password to access my work web-based MS-Outlook email server.) It hasn't happened to me since I took Netscape out of the picture. > MBOX-Line: From gnome-list-request@gnome.org Fri Aug 20 10:10:25 1999 > Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:43:45 +0200 > From: HpG > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Resent-From: gnome-list@gnome.org > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/19821 > X-Loop: gnome-list@gnome.org > X-just-a-test: testing > Precedence: list > Resent-Sender: gnome-list-request@gnome.org > X-URL: http://www.gnome.org > X-UIDL: 54e9194832269351e4223255ba0d3a75 > > Christiane Tom wrote: > > > > First, my appologies if this question has already been asked and > > answered - I did look through the list archive without finding a > > solution to my problem. > > > > I'm running RedHat 6.0 on my computer, and as a user I'm > > running the Gnome desktop. I love it but I've been having a > > problem with it - my panel keeps disappearing... it's the second > > time now, I log on and my desktop comes on, but without any > > panel. Sometimes I'll get a box that tells me that a panel is > > already running, do I want to start a second one (and no matter > > if I say yes or no, I still don't get my panel back) but usually > > there's no error message. The first time it happened, I ended up > > deleting the user, then going back in root and creating a new user, > > then configuring my panel again. This time I'm not sure *what* to > > do, and I don't want to go through the matter of creating a new > > user again if this problem is going to keep on happening. > > > > Does anybody have a hint for me ? > > > > Chris > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > Hi Tom and all > Actually, I have got the same effect from time to time. > Without any apparent reason, at startup the panel starts > and starts one applet after the other, and then: > ooops -> it dissapears. > > Actually, it is sufficient to simply delete the ~/.gnome/panel.d > directory. > When having done that and starting the panel again a newly reinitialized > panel > shows up, but with all the settings and applets gone :-((( > > One solution has been offered by Tom Gilbert: > > > > Well, my personal solution is a couple of lines in my .xinitrc > > > > cd ~/ > > rm -rf ~/.gnome_backup > > cp -R ~/.gnome ~/.gnome_backup > > > > Every time gnome starts, the backup is created. If Gnome screws up, I > > just replace .gnome with the backup, *before* starting gnome again > > (the backup would be overwritten). > > > cu > Hanspeter > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 142 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 14:40:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 14:40:46 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22429 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:40:46 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA27372; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:41:19 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [HOWTO]: Gnome menus in Window Maker Menu From: Preben Randhol Date: 20 Aug 1999 16:41:18 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Go to : http://www2.informatik.uni-wuerzburg.de/staff/ulli/gnome2wmaker/ then download and install gnome2wmaker-1.2-1.i386.rpm (if you have a RedHat 6.0 system) otherwise you have to compile and install it yourself. Then start up "Window Maker Preferences" and choose the menu-editor. Choose Add External Menu type: "| gnome2wmaker" (without the "'s in the Menu Path/Directory List entry) Change the name External Menu to Gnome and Save. Alternativly you can edit the menu by hand as shown on the before mentioned URL. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From harpend@xmission.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 1905 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 14:42:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 14:42:13 -0000 Received: from harpend.dsl.xmission.com (root@harpend.dsl.xmission.com [198.60.114.113]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA22522 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:42:12 -0400 Received: (from harpend@localhost) by harpend.dsl.xmission.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA01155; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:41:45 -0600 From: Henry Harpending MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14269.26921.740904.669777@harpend.dsl.xmission.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:41:45 -0600 (MDT) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: control-center 1.06 make fails X-Mailer: VM 6.72 under 21.1 (patch 4) "Arches" XEmacs Lucid Could someone explain why I receive this error message and a compile failure with control-center 1.06 on a suse 6.1 system. >>execvp: ../idl/control-center.idl: Permission denied I have orbit 4.93 installed. Thanks, Henry Harpending -- Henry Harpending harpend@xmission.com Department of Anthropology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City UT 84112 phone 801 581 3776 fax 801 581 6252 home 801 582 7760 http://mombasa.anthro.utah.edu/henry.html From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 16334 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 14:57:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 14:57:47 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f252.hotmail.com [216.32.181.252]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA23616 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:57:46 -0400 Received: (qmail 32481 invoked by uid 0); 20 Aug 1999 14:57:14 -0000 Message-ID: <19990820145714.32480.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:57:14 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: bratsche@dfw.net Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GPPP applet Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:57:14 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed The thing is - If I'm able to connect to the NET by means of using a script called pppsetup (version 2.05) that 'should' mean that all scripts are correct then, right? >From: Cody Russell >To: jimscott@ablan.com, lowlifeboy@hotmail.com >CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; >Subject: RE: GPPP applet >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:03:59 -0500 (CDT) > > >If it's gnome-ppp, it could mean a number of things. Make sure you have >/etc/ppp/pap-secrets configured correctly in relation to your settings in >gnome-ppp. chmod u+s /sbin/pppd (or wherever pppd is at). The pap-secrets >file should look something like this: > >username remote_name password > >Those fields should correspond to the "Authentification" tab in >gnome-ppp's account editor. > >Cody Russell > >On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Jim Scott wrote: > > > Actually, I think it's called gnome-ppp. In answer to your original > > question, it could be a simple scripting problem. I got a similar >error, > > because the default script was expecting "OK" after the password, but my >ISP > > was passing "PPP STARTED". > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Cody Russell [mailto:bratsche@dfw.net] > > Subject: RE: GPPP applet > > > > What is GPPP? I've never heard of this until recently. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Low Lifeboy [mailto:lowlifeboy@hotmail.com] > > > > Subject: GPPP applet > > > > > > > > > > > > I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH >6.0. > > > > Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to >disconnect > > > > ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. > > > > I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died > > > > unexpectedly > > > > - error message. Is this something related to security rights? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 27025 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 15:09:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 15:09:17 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24529 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:09:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id XAA03921; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:19:08 +0800 (WST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:19:08 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Henry Harpending cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: control-center 1.06 make fails In-Reply-To: <14269.26921.740904.669777@harpend.dsl.xmission.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This usually indicates that ORBit was not detected correctly. If you look at the makefiles, you will see that the command is something like: $(ORBIT_IDL) ../idl/control-center.idl If the ORBit detection routines in configure do not work correctly, ORBIT_IDL will not be set. Make sure you have ORBit (and ORBit-devel if you are using packages) installed, and have a fairly recent version when compiling things. Also make sure that the orbit-config script is in the path when configuring things. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Henry Harpending wrote: > > Could someone explain why I receive this error message and a compile > failure with control-center 1.06 on a suse 6.1 system. > > >>execvp: ../idl/control-center.idl: Permission denied > > I have orbit 4.93 installed. > > Thanks, Henry Harpending > > > -- > Henry Harpending harpend@xmission.com > Department of Anthropology, University of Utah, Salt Lake City UT 84112 > phone 801 581 3776 fax 801 581 6252 home 801 582 7760 > http://mombasa.anthro.utah.edu/henry.html > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From geoff@zed.access.net.au Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 28748 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 15:11:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 15:11:35 -0000 Received: from zed.access.net.au (root@zed.access.net.au [203.13.25.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24694 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:11:33 -0400 Received: from access.net.au (d014.meldas5.access.net.au [210.8.214.143]) by zed.access.net.au (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id BAA01448 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:11:24 +1000 Sender: geoff@zed.access.net.au Message-ID: <37BD6FFA.B322D20B@access.net.au> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:10:50 +1000 From: Geoff Simmons X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: New Gnome RPMs Available Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 'datazone', a member of the #gnome channel on efnet, has created a number of various RPMs. Specifically, he's made packages of the latest gnome-libs (1.0.13) and control-center (1.0.6), for various CPUs. These are available from: - http://gnome.linuxpower.org/ The #gnome channel is also trying to assemble a 'newbie' FAQ, we'd appreciate any help from those of you who like to contribute. crudman From dkelson@inconnect.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 11321 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 15:33:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 15:33:32 -0000 Received: from mail.inconnect.com (mail.inconnect.com [209.140.64.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA26311 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:33:32 -0400 Received: (qmail 24057 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 15:33:27 -0000 Received: from brookie.inconnect.com (209.140.64.23) by mail with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 15:33:27 -0000 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:33:15 -0600 (MDT) From: Dax Kelson To: Geoff Simmons cc: lelie@airmail.net, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: New Gnome RPMs Available In-Reply-To: <37BD6FFA.B322D20B@access.net.au> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Geoff Simmons said once upon a time (Sat, 21 Aug 1999): > 'datazone', a member of the #gnome channel on efnet, has created a > number of various RPMs. > > Specifically, he's made packages of the latest gnome-libs (1.0.13) and > control-center (1.0.6), for various CPUs. These are available from: > > - http://gnome.linuxpower.org/ > > The #gnome channel is also trying to assemble a 'newbie' FAQ, we'd > appreciate any help from those of you who like to contribute. > > crudman I took a look at these RPMs, Leland how come they don't have the RedHat patches integrated? If you run RedHat you definately want RPMs with the RedHat patches integrated. They provide bug fixes, default settings, integration tweeks, etc. Lastly, currently gnome-libs-1.0.13 is a test/pre-release, not yet an "official production" release yet. People should be warned. Dax From lobo@pop03.pub01 Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 31582 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:04:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:04:47 -0000 Received: from pop03.pub01 (pop03.mail.com [165.251.32.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28567 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:04:47 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m55.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.183]) by pop03.pub01 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id MAA01629; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:04:26 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop03.pub01 Message-ID: <37BD7ADF.CD1A2544@email.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:57:19 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dax Kelson CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: RH6 RPMs of test gnome-libs 1.0.13 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dax Kelson wrote: > > Here are new RH6 rpms for you to bang on and report any breakage to > Miguel. > > ftp://ftp.gurulabs.com/pub/gnome/updates/i386/testing > > Also, if there are any other packages (or updates I don't have) that > people would like RPMs created for, just drop me an email. Control center 1.0.6 maybe? Xchat would be nice too... :) -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (lobo on irc) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From bratsche@dfw.net Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 14303 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:24:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:24:47 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (PPP18.fortworth.nationwide.net [204.155.159.28]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA30175 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:24:45 -0400 Received: from localhost (bratsche@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA16956; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:29:21 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: bratsche owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:29:21 -0500 (CDT) From: Cody Russell X-Sender: bratsche@localhost.localdomain To: Low Lifeboy cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: GPPP applet In-Reply-To: <19990820145714.32480.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I don't know what you're getting at. This just means your scripts have permissions to dial out, but in some way or another gnome-ppp still doesn't. Cody On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Low Lifeboy wrote: > The thing is - If I'm able to connect to the NET by means of using a script > called pppsetup (version 2.05) that 'should' mean that all scripts are > correct then, right? > > > >From: Cody Russell > >To: jimscott@ablan.com, lowlifeboy@hotmail.com > >CC: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; > >Subject: RE: GPPP applet > >Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:03:59 -0500 (CDT) > > > > > >If it's gnome-ppp, it could mean a number of things. Make sure you have > >/etc/ppp/pap-secrets configured correctly in relation to your settings in > >gnome-ppp. chmod u+s /sbin/pppd (or wherever pppd is at). The pap-secrets > >file should look something like this: > > > >username remote_name password > > > >Those fields should correspond to the "Authentification" tab in > >gnome-ppp's account editor. > > > >Cody Russell > > > >On Thu, 19 Aug 1999, Jim Scott wrote: > > > > > Actually, I think it's called gnome-ppp. In answer to your original > > > question, it could be a simple scripting problem. I got a similar > >error, > > > because the default script was expecting "OK" after the password, but my > >ISP > > > was passing "PPP STARTED". > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Cody Russell [mailto:bratsche@dfw.net] > > > Subject: RE: GPPP applet > > > > > > What is GPPP? I've never heard of this until recently. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Low Lifeboy [mailto:lowlifeboy@hotmail.com] > > > > > Subject: GPPP applet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I used a script called pppsetup to setup my ppp installation in RH > >6.0. > > > > > Whenever I need to connect to the NET I type ppp-go and to > >disconnect > > > > > ppp-off - and I can do this as a user other than root. > > > > > I setup GPPP applet, but it keeps giving me an error: pppd died > > > > > unexpectedly > > > > > - error message. Is this something related to security rights? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________ > Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com > From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 19107 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:33:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:33:39 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA30852 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:33:38 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06869; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:42:59 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: "Michael D. James" Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> <199908192200.PAA02839@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:42:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: "Michael D. James"'s message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 16:15:08 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Where should I direct my feature requests that aren't actually bugs? > For instance, the Gnome pager Applet works but I'm really missing some > features of the fvwm pager. Get your messages to Jim Cape, who is coordinating the GUI improvement project (CC gnome-gui-list@gnome.org). Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 23414 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:38:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:38:55 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA31268 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:38:54 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06883; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:47:56 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Peter Wainwright Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gmc, automounter and audio CD's References: <19990818112820.A30844@wainwright> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:47:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: Peter Wainwright's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 11:28:20 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 13 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) Hello Peter, > I notice that the drivemount applets have an option "Use automount-friendly > status test" - is there any way of adding such an option to GMC so it > doesn't keep halting my audio CD? yes, we can add this. Just tell me what this "automount-friendly" feature looks like. best wishes, -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 25112 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:41:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:41:19 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA31397 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:41:17 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06887; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:50:34 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: dwilkins Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome tcp ports (including 2000) References: <199908181509.LAA09591@smtp02.kent.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:50:34 -0500 In-Reply-To: dwilkins's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 10:26:25 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 17 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Here's my question: is there any way to turn all of those ports off or > alternatively, not allow anybody from the outside world to access them? I > want as secure a system as possible. Is there a flag for compilation maybe > that lets me get rid of those ports? I can't seem to find any answers in the > documentation, but maybe I'm not looking in the right place. There might be a flag, but I do not know it myself. But the code uses an authentication system to disable anyone from trying to abuse those ports (those are the CORBA ports for the various corba tools). best wishes, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From dcm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 28320 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:46:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:46:48 -0000 Received: from chelseafc.labs.redhat.com (chelseafc.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.116]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA31706 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:46:48 -0400 Received: (from dcm@localhost) by chelseafc.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01923; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:48:28 -0400 To: Miguel de Icaza cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, Peter Wainwright Subject: Re: gmc, automounter and audio CD's References: <19990818112820.A30844@wainwright> X-URL: From: "David C. Mason" Date: 20 Aug 1999 12:48:27 -0400 In-Reply-To: Miguel de Icaza's message of "20 Aug 1999 11:47:55 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 33 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Miguel de Icaza writes: > > I notice that the drivemount applets have an option "Use automount-friendly > > status test" - is there any way of adding such an option to GMC so it > > doesn't keep halting my audio CD? > > yes, we can add this. Just tell me what this "automount-friendly" > feature looks like. Automount status test description is in the Users Guide - it is written as it was described to me by the author of the Drive Mount Applet >From GNOME Users Guide: "The last option to set in the Drive Mount Settings is whether or not you wish to Use automount friendly status test. If you are using a system that utilizes autofs to auto-mount your drives the Drive Mount applet might interfere with autofs. If this is the case you should select this option. If you are not using autofs (which is most likely the case) do not select this option as it is taxing on your system and is much slower." Dave -- David Mason Red Hat AD Labs dcm@redhat.com From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 1304 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:52:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:52:29 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA32080; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:52:27 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA06916; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:01:49 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:01:49 -0500 Message-Id: <199908201701.MAA06916@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME-libs 1.0.13 release. X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. Hello guys, The new release of gnome-libs 1.0.13 has been released, you can get it from: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/testing There are a number of small changes compared to the gnome-libs-1.0.13 preview release: * Changes since 1.0.13-preview: ** Improvements: * Cache gnome-config files, speeds up application startup (Morten). * ** Documentation: * Various examples added, all docs now have a summary line (Havoc, Tim, me) * Added deprecated/experimental conditionals (Havoc) ** Bug fixes: * Make clean fixes (Elliot) * Check for utmp.h (Elliot) * gnome-exec now closes helper file descriptors (for IRIX) * Imlib has a strange idea of memory management. Federico fixed various problems related to this. * GnomeDruid improvements from Jonathan and Damon. * Gnome-dns should be working again. * Changes since 1.0.12: ** libgnome * Memory leak fixes from gnome-dentry-edit (Elliot) * Gnome-Config now ignores lines that start with '#' (Elliot) * priority of the CORBA main loop/Gtk main loop can now be controlled (useful for intensive CORBA applications, Ettore first noticed this problem) (Ettore, me). * Elliot was on a warning hunt, so this release is a lot cleaner warning-wise. * Memory leak fix in gnome-i18n (Morten) * Cache in gnome-config, improves program startup ** libgnomeui * Proper Druid destruction and cleanups (Havoc, Jonathan) * IconList bug fixes (menus, DnD fixes, editing fixes, memory management) (Federico) * Canvas and GnomePixmap leak fixes (Morten) * gnome_pixmap race condition fixes (Federico) * Canvas affine fixes (Larry) * Gnome Session now no longer prompts for logout, this is now done in the SM (Tom) ** Zvt Widget * Rendering fix (mc exposed an update problem) (Michael) * Fixed problems with terminals that were left dead (Miguel) * zvt now sets the proper signal mask (Sopwith) * Fixes for a number of bugs reported on the CVS ** LibArt * Added dash style functions (Raph, Larry) * Endianess fixes (Michael Zucchi, Raph) ** Documentation We still need people to help us finish the GNOME API documentation. * gnome-file-entry docs began (Daniel) * Various fix ups to the SGML (Raja) * gnome-appbar improvements (George) * GnomeCanvas widget is fully documented now (Federico) ** Internationalization * Gnome-Scores now shows dates in a localized way (Pablo). * Changed "Create _New Window" to "Create New _Window" to avoid conflicts. Translators, please update your po files (Pablo). Enjoy, Miguel. From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 6768 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 16:59:34 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA32562 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:59:29 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id LAA06861; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:42:28 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Telsa Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 20 Aug 1999 11:42:28 -0500 In-Reply-To: Telsa's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 13:52:33 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > I have a few ideas about what might make it easier to submit > bug reports, too. I'n not sure where the best place to send them > is, but if people are interested, I can send them here? (Or > wherever is better.) you can post it here. You could also CC gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, and gnome-gui-list@gnome.org. I would love to improve this system. best wishes, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 5109 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 17:55:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 17:55:30 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.4]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA03758; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 13:55:29 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id HAA30838; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:53:16 -0500 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 07:53:16 -0500 Message-Id: <199908201253.HAA30838@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Reminder: developer.gnome.org X-FileLength: are infinite where infinity is set to 255 characters Hello guys, The Red Hat Labs team and the GNOME webmaster team (special thanks to Will for devoting so much time to this) worked very hard to organize all the developer information in a nice way. I have been replying to lots of people with "Check developer.gnome.org" in personal mail and I am surprised to learn that not a lot of people know about this site. So, I just wanted to tell people that a lot of programming information: api reference, white papers, architecture docs, manuals, tutorials and links are available on http://developer.gnome.org If you have suggestions, let the developer.gnome.org team know about them. best wishes, Miguel. From bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 13745 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 18:08:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 18:08:03 -0000 Received: from mirage.esiea.fr (root@mirage.esiea.fr [194.57.201.100]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA04619 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:08:02 -0400 Received: from phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (phoenix.linux.esiea.fr [194.57.201.13]) by mirage.esiea.fr (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with ESMTP id VAA32395 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:06:39 +0200 Received: from localhost (bklein@localhost) by phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA25564 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:07:58 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:07:58 +0200 (CET) From: Benjamin Klein-Fignier To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem during session closing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm installing Linux on 66 Intel-Celeron 466Mhz 128Mo RAM Video Card Riva TNT 16Mo with Xfree 3.3.3.1 and kernel 2.2.10. The distribution I'm installing is Mandrake 6.0 with Gnome. When I close a Gnome session, a special effect fades the screen before going back to GDM. This effect is amazingly SLOW !! I made an image of the installation and put it on a Pentium 200 64Mo RAM Video Card Matrox Mystic 4Mo. The special effect is perfectly smooth !!! WHY ??? It is the same installation, same programs, same X server (XF86_SVGA) ! Does someone know why ? And how to correct this problem ??? Thanks for your help Ben. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- /\_/\ Benjamin Klein-Fignier ( o o ) aka "FENNEC" NEWSMASTER @ ESIEA \ / Ecole Superieur d'Informatique Electronique Automatique /\ /\ bklein@alpha.esiea.fr / bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr | =B0 | ICQ# 40123319 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 15704 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 18:14:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 18:14:02 -0000 Received: from epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil (epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil [150.192.56.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA04970 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:14:01 -0400 Received: from delenn.cjo by epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA12415; Fri, 20 Aug 99 11:13:46 -0700 Received: by delenn.eng (8.7.6/16.2) id OAA28533; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:13:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on HP-UX (unknown) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37BD35CA.2A59D62E@linuxfan.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:13:45 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Craig Orsinger Organization: EPG Ft. Lewis Field Office Sender: craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil From: Craig Orsinger To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Problem with compiling Cc: Bilicki Vilmos On 20-Aug-99 Bilicki Vilmos wrote: > When I try to compile programs they send me the following error message >: > > for glib-config... (cached) /usr/bin/glib-config > checking for GLIB - version >= 1.2.0... yes > checking what warning flags to pass to the C compiler... -Wall > -Wno-unused > checking what language compliance flags to pass to the C compiler... > checking for tgoto in -ltermcap... (cached) yes > checking for readline in -lreadline... (cached) yes >>>checking for gnome-config... (cached) no >>>checking for gnomeConf.sh file in /usr/local/lib... not found > configure: warning: *** The gnome version will not be built *** > checking for pthread_create in -lpthread... (cached) yes > > What can I do with this ? It looks like you installed using RPMs, so I'll guess ... Configure scripts that come with GNOME-aware programs usually assume that the GNOME distribution is in the /usr/local directory. Look at what options are available for this configure script by running configure with the --help option. There should be something like: --with-gnome= or --with-gnome-prefix= listed as one of the options. Try setting this prefix to /usr. ---------------------------------- Date: 20-Aug-99 Time: 11:05:09 Craig Orsinger (email: ) Logicon RDA Bldg. 8B28 "Just another megalomaniac with ideas above his 6th & F Streets station. The Universe is full of them." Ft. Lewis, WA 98433 - The Doctor ---------------------------------- From federico@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 26595 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 21:09:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 21:09:15 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (root@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18265; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:09:15 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA22993; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:09:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:09:55 -0400 Message-Id: <199908202109.RAA22993@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@redhat.com using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 is released X-FYI: Kinky is using a feather. Perverted is using the whole chicken. Dear humans, Due to a minor goof-up, the libart library version in gnome-libs-1.0.13 was changed incorrectly. I have just put together a new release of gnome-libs, which is version 1.0.14. * Availability: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-libs/gnome-libs-1.0.14.tar.gz * Changes: - Just fixed the soname version number for libart. Sorry about the inconvenience, Federico From rodney.cardenas@alliedelec.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 13517 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 21:34:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 21:34:37 -0000 Received: from gatekeeper.allied.avnet.com (gatekeeper.alliedelec.com [206.104.4.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20237 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:34:36 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.allied.avnet.com; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id QAA13455; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:35:38 -0500 (CDT) Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:34:33 -0500 From: Rodney Cardenas Subject: Creating a non priviledged user X-Sender: rodney@ernie.allied.avnet.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <4.2.0.58.19990820162845.00a48720@ernie.allied.avnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I have already created a non-privileged user on the Red Hat Linux 5.2 machine but I can't seem to find any documentation to show or tell me how to configure a non-privileged user. What I did is logon as root and successfully installed Gnome under the root account but when I start Gnome it warns me "You are running the Gnome File Manager as root. As root, you can damage you system , and the file manager will not stop you. Your manual explains how to add a non privileged user account to the system. Well I don't know where to look I have looked in the Gnome User Guide but I can not find any info on this. Can someone please help me with this or point me in the right direction to look ??? Rodney Cardenas Allied Electronics, Inc. rodney@allied.avnet.com From sean.middleditch@iname.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 22193 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 21:47:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 21:47:33 -0000 Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [207.206.116.33]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21202 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:47:33 -0400 Received: from aweplay.net (IDENT:stm@usr14-046.provide.net [207.206.120.174]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id RAB27831 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Middleditch Organization: AwesomePlay Productions To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Creating a non priviledged user Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:47:37 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: <4.2.0.58.19990820162845.00a48720@ernie.allied.avnet.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082017500800.10038@aweplay.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit That means don't run as root. Create your own Linux account (the user account is completely seperate from gnome). The process should be in your distribution's documentation (there are many ways to do this: my favorite is to use the gnome-linuxconf utility in gnome). Sean Middleditch From craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 28673 invoked from network); 20 Aug 1999 23:37:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 23:37:52 -0000 Received: from epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil (epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil [150.192.56.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA29356; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:37:51 -0400 Received: from delenn.cjo by epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA13789; Fri, 20 Aug 99 16:37:47 -0700 Received: by delenn.eng (8.7.6/16.2) id TAA28781; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 19:37:46 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on HP-UX (unknown) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <199908202109.RAA22993@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:37:46 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Craig Orsinger Organization: EPG Ft. Lewis Field Office Sender: craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil From: Craig Orsinger To: Federico Mena Quintero Subject: RE: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 is released Cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org On 20-Aug-99 Federico Mena Quintero wrote: > Dear humans, > > Due to a minor goof-up, the libart library version in > gnome-libs-1.0.13 was changed incorrectly. I have just put together a > new release of gnome-libs, which is version 1.0.14. > > * Availability: > > ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnome-libs/gnome-libs-1.0.14.tar.gz > > * Changes: > > - Just fixed the soname version number for libart. > > Sorry about the inconvenience, > > Federico Is it necessary to rebuild all other GNOME packages for this to work? I built this version, installed it, and the logout dialog no longer worked. In addition, the pager and control center both left core files regularly when I logged out. I even tried reinstalling the core and control center packages (without recompiling), and it didn't help. Re-installing gnome-libs version 1.0.12 fixed all this. ---------------------------------- Date: 20-Aug-99 Time: 16:33:20 Craig Orsinger (email: ) Logicon RDA Bldg. 8B28 "Just another megalomaniac with ideas above his 6th & F Streets station. The Universe is full of them." Ft. Lewis, WA 98433 - The Doctor ---------------------------------- From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 16046 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 00:08:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 00:08:20 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA31731; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:08:17 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Hyhk-000DxI-0B; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:08:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA11039; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:58 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:58 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: [Borland survey results] The tide is turning Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, http://www.borland.com/linux/survey/ Summary: A lot of people want to build GPL Apps and Utils, and a lot of people want RAD tools not just IDEs, and most want to use Delphi and C/C++. 25.0% are interested in developing with GTK+ as opposed to 18.3% with Qt, 26.% were familiar with the toolkits. 50.1% run KDE, 27.5% run GNOME 41.0% are interested in developing for KDE, 28.3% for GNOME, 16.9% for none in particular. 59.8% develop for Windows, 25% for Linux, 6.3% Java 59.5% want to develop for both Windows and Linux, 32.6% want to switch most development from Windows to Linux 49.9% said source code compatibility between Windows and Linux is "very important" 79.5% had a development team of 1-5 developers 24,194 developers responded between July 9 and July 31 1999. Apols for critical typos in above if there are any, Borland should be thanked for providing the community with this info. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From jobezone@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 26616 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 00:33:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 00:33:03 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA00725 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:33:02 -0400 Received: from pm-lx-3-46.net.ip.pt (HELO yahoo.com) (195.23.4.46) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 20 Aug 1999 17:35:39 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:32:56 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@yahoo.com From: Eduardo Silva To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Big Bug on the GnomePager/Gnome Panel? I've already submited a bugreport on this, but I'm posting it here, because maybe it's some problem with my configuration. I have Debian potato(unstable), 2.2.9., but it already happened before upgrading from stable. As time passes, and I use the Gnome Pager to switch bettwen apps, etc., it becomes slower and slower to respond. It usually takes some time of use, but I once got to the situation where it took 15 seconds to react to my mouse-clicks. After some testing, I understood this happens in all the Panel(all the mouse actions on it). Also, when I create a new one panel, after the current is slow to react, it acts normally. To all gnome developpers, keep up the great work! Eduardo <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From ptoscano@loudoun.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 23393 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 04:55:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 04:55:12 -0000 Received: from bubba.toscano.org (bubba.toscano.org [208.232.170.212]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA18722 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:55:09 -0400 Received: (from pete@localhost) by bubba.toscano.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA17936 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:55:04 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:55:04 -0400 From: Pete Toscano To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel won't save settings! Message-ID: <19990821005504.A13676@bubba.toscano.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i X-Files: The Trash is Out There X-Uptime: 12:39am up 1:59, 3 users, load average: 0.63, 0.37, 0.41 --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable somebody, please help me with this. how do you get the panel to save its configuration? i've built all the gnome stuff from source tarballs and installed everything and everything seems to be running just fine (much better than on my work machine, fwiw), except for the fact that, whenever i restart x, all of the changes i made to the panel are gone. heck, i didn't even have a ~/.gnome/panel.d directory until i created it by hand and even then nothing happened with it. the first time=20 anything got put into ~/.gnome/panel.d was when i started up x and had wmaker start instead of gnome-session and then launched panel from the command line. all i got there was a "default" subdirectory. when i changed my .xinitrc back to exec gnome-session instead of wmaker, everything was back to the normal default panel, not the=20 customized one. i checked the normal x output (redirected stderr and stdout to ~/xlog) and didn't find anything strange. other gnome apps seem to save their settings just fine. i'm at a loss here. i have no idea what the problem is, but i'm=20 getting _very_ frustrated and i'm about to chuck gnome. will=20 anyone help me? thanks, pete --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3vjEo5FhMNN6j168RATYLAKDSp3J5oeEdlOdNmK4R/hI0cV3L2QCfW3XL eQGU44d137YbMKEMiKIdIrw= =0VEy -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --SLDf9lqlvOQaIe6s-- From dennisb@cs.chalmers.se Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 32574 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 07:48:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 07:48:08 -0000 Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA27747 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 03:48:07 -0400 Received: from cs.chalmers.se (muppet56.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.157]) by animal.cs.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA22961 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:48:01 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908210748.JAA22961@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 09:47:58 +0200 (MET DST) From: Dennis Bj|rklund Subject: control-center 1.0.6 To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII The latest control-center (1.0.6) did not have a correct .spec file. So trying to build and RPM with rpm -ta xxx.tar.gz did not work. But ut I unpack the tar.gz archive and does a ./configure followed by a "make dist" the archive that is created does have a correct spec file and everything works. Does that mean that the person who packages the control-center does not use the "make dist"? And why not in that case? -- /Dennis From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 18767 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 11:58:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 11:58:24 -0000 Received: from mailout03.btx.dtag.de (mailout03.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.151]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA08350 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 07:58:22 -0400 Received: from fwd04.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.164]) by mailout03.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11I9mt-0005gK-00; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:58:19 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.159.33.71]) by fwd04.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 13:58:12 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA00396 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:29:18 +0200 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:29:17 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: KDE icons (forwarded) Message-ID: <19990820152917.A390@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) ----- Forwarded message from Torsten Rahn ----- Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:08:26 +0200 From: Torsten Rahn Reply-To: torsten@kde.org X-Accept-Language: en To: mawarkus@t-online.de CC: frantzdb@admin.arhs.net, randhol@pvv.org Subject: ;-) KDE Icon Status Report -- "We spiced up the menu" X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by falbala.informatik.uni-kiel.de id KAA06169 :-) Hi Mawa, Could you forward this mail please? I ´m too lazy to subscribe to your mailing-list again ... Thanks in advance! > | I just found http://www.kde.org/kde-icons.html which is a nice list of a > | bunch of KDE's icons. I think the last thing we should do is steal them > | per se, but I found it's very easy to gnomeify them (redraw/modify them to > | match the gnome look.) > > Yes please don't use them as is. They are horrible. > Small correction: they are as beautiful as possible for LoColor-icons using 32x32 pixels *and* a fixed palette of 40 colors *and* a consistent style-guide that was developed under aspects of usability. But you´re right: gnome lacks LoColor-icons that prevent poor dithering in some situations (as reported by some people who use kde instead of GNOME because of this and who got quite upset when we (KDE) thought about dropping LoColor-icons.). If you want some more recent information about kde-icon-development look here: KDE 1.1.2: ftp://ftp.kde.org/pub/kde/unstable/icons/eyecandy.jpg KDE 2.0: http://www.kde.org/kde2shots.html Style-Guides for KDE 1.1.2 and KDE 2: http://developer.kde.org/documentation/standards/kde/icon-style.html Note: the Style-Guides are not up-to-date -- the LoColor-icons should match the look of the HiColor-icons by now and I should ask Cristian Tibirna to update the HiColor-page to show the complete set of HiColor-icons as well. You could also compile some recent kde-snapshots or wait some three weeks for the next kde-release featuring a complete set of icons for *every* app and mimetype. Every set consists of: 48x48 HiColor -icons 32x32 HiColor -icons 32x32 LoColor -icons (and of course 16x16-LoColor-icons) (Which means that we had to create / update several hundered icons. This process took several months and is now very near to completion ....) You can swich between normal (32x32) and large icons (48x48) for kpanel and the rest of the desktop seperately now. If you have any questions concerning icon-development feel free to contact me ! Cheers, Torsten Rahn, kde-artist-team torsten@kde.org ----- End forwarded message ----- mawa -- DLRG, die: _Baywatch_ für Pfadfinder From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 28729 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 12:25:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 12:25:23 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA09739 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 08:25:22 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k20-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.20]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA16954 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:25:23 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37BE9AA1.9E404D8@cyberport.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 06:25:05 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: my shortlist of GNOME wishes References: <1.5.4.32.19990819045810.01132f38@pop31.ync.net> <199908200643.XAA03469@mg-206191146-140.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael D. James" wrote: > > If this is an appropriate topic I'll throw in my own two cents. The > worst thing about most GUI environments is they don't lend themselves > to scripting. > > Computers were supposed to help us automate things. But on PCs I find > myself doing a lot of manual repetitive tasks because I'm pointing and > clicking instead of typing textual commands which could be put into a > script. Believe it or not, Microsoft is actually making headway on this problem. Between COM and the new Windows Scripting Host technologies, it's possible to write a script in Your Favorite Language (providing it supports WSH -- Perl, VB and JavaScript work, at the least) to control Windows programs. The problems with this model are two: 1. The Windows program in question must expose its APIs via COM, so that WSH can see them. 2. Said APIs have to be documented, and the documentation made available. (It doesn't do any good to expose your program's functionality and then charge $700 for an SDK -- not exactly a brand-building move.) A bonus third problem is that COM is a brain-bender. ;-> (Though, in all fairness, Microsoft is adding layers to fix this: WSH, COM+, ATL, VB, etc.) To drag this back on topic, GNOME has some beginnings towards a similar setup: CORBA is implemented (ORBit). What we lack now are language bindings (AFAIK, you can only use ORBit via C at the moment) and a lack of apps exposing their functionality via CORBA. Once the latter is taken care of, we'd be where MS is now: we'd need to document these interfaces and give the info away. We should try to go one-better, though. It might be worth thinking about some standard interfaces. In the COM world, everyone makes up their own interfaces willy-nilly. It'd be nice to have, say, a "menu" interface for walking a program's menu, to make UI macros easier to write. We could even make the gnome library implement that interface automatically, so that all GNOME programs with a menu support at least that much scriptability. Just some vague thoughts, -- = Warren Young, maintainer of the Winsock Programmer's FAQ at: = http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/programming/winsock/ = = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From 1stflight@donet.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 14303 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 15:15:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 15:15:23 -0000 Received: from mail.donet.com (pumpkin.donet.com [205.133.113.43]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA18401 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:15:22 -0400 Received: (qmail 13550 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 15:15:21 -0000 Received: from pm06-s41.donet.com (HELO donet.com) (216.28.194.105) by pumpkin.donet.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 15:15:21 -0000 Message-ID: <37BEC2ED.A29F6172@donet.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:17:01 -0400 From: "1stFlight !" <1stflight@donet.com> X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: corelsupport.wordperfect-linux To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Corel WordPerfect newbie problem Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, I've installed Corel WordPerfect on a Redhat 6.0 systems using Gnome. However whenever I use my icon on the panel to bring it up. Nothing happens. I used to work just fine but after changing themes its failing, why for? I can't believe a theme change can affect that startup of an application. Darryl -- "Though we are not now that strength which in old days moved earth and heaven, that which we are, we are; one equal temper of heroic hearts made weak by time and fate but strong in will to strive, to seek, to find and not to yield" Tennyson's "Ulysses" From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 26722 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 16:48:29 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23826 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:48:28 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11IEJe-000B4i-0B for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 16:48:26 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id RAA02967 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:47:52 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37BED834.575E8056@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:47:48 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: ** WARNING **: Unable reach the control-center. Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I have problems starting any "capplet". For example: % screensaver-properties-capplet ** WARNING **: Unable reach the control-center. Exiting... % Contrtol Center then starts, and displays "Mime Types". If I then select "Screensaver", the screensaver capplet appears, and I get the following console message: Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `GtkAdjustment' to `GtkWidget' Finally, when I quit Control Center, I get this: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkcontainer.c: line 723 (gtk_container_remove): assertion `widget->parent == GTK_WIDGET (container)' failed. Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `void' to `GtkWidget' Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkwidget.c: line 3447 (gtk_widget_get_style): assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed. Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 5122 (gtk_ctree_node_set_foreground): assertion `GTK_IS_CTREE (ctree)' failed. This is on Solaris 2.6, gnome-libs-1.0.14, control-center-1.0.6, gtk+-1.2.3 Excuse my ignorance, but can someone suggest how I can find out what's wrong? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From vail@tapaboy.newts.org Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 8073 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 18:43:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 18:43:14 -0000 Received: from tapaboy.newts.org (tapaboy.newts.org [146.115.238.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA29810 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:13 -0400 Received: (from vail@localhost) by tapaboy.newts.org (8.8.7/8.8.7) id OAA10544; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:05 -0400 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:43:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199908211843.OAA10544@tapaboy.newts.org> X-Authentication-Warning: tapaboy.newts.org: vail set sender to vail@tapaboy.newts.org using -f From: Johnathan Vail To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Installing GNOME on RH 5.2 from RH 6 RPMs I would like to run Gnome on a Redhat 5.2 system that I am currently reluctant to upgrade. I have the red hat 6 CDs and I am wondering if I an install thouse RPMs instead of dowloding 50 meg of files of slightly older revisions to run with Red Hat 5.2. thanks, jv From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 30835 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 19:28:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 19:28:27 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00014 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:28:27 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom2-096.telepath.com [216.14.2.96]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA05774; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:28:15 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37BEFF41.4BFBE66F@telepath.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 14:34:25 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Johnathan Vail CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Installing GNOME on RH 5.2 from RH 6 RPMs References: <199908211843.OAA10544@tapaboy.newts.org> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Johnathan Vail wrote: > > I would like to run Gnome on a Redhat 5.2 system that I am currently > reluctant to upgrade. I have the red hat 6 CDs and I am wondering if > I an install thouse RPMs instead of dowloding 50 meg of files of > slightly older revisions to run with Red Hat 5.2. Even if you install Redhat 6.0 you will want/need to upgrade most of Gnome to get it running Perfect. The Upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0 is smooth and easy worth the trouble. Dennis Lee From mperry@tsoft.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 6221 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 19:42:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 19:42:21 -0000 Received: from shell.tsoft.com (root@shell.tsoft.com [198.144.192.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA00932 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 15:42:21 -0400 Received: from mperry.ppp.tsoft.com (root@mperry.ppp.tsoft.com [198.144.207.221]) by shell.tsoft.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA10070 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:42:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from mperry@localhost) by mperry.ppp.tsoft.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA04648 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:40:39 -0700 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 12:40:39 -0700 From: Michael Perry To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Installing GNOME on RH 5.2 from RH 6 RPMs Message-ID: <19990821124039.A4637@tsoft.com> Reply-To: Michael Perry Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908211843.OAA10544@tapaboy.newts.org> <37BEFF41.4BFBE66F@telepath.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <37BEFF41.4BFBE66F@telepath.com> Quoting Dennis Lee on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 02:34:25PM -0500: > Johnathan Vail wrote: > > > > I would like to run Gnome on a Redhat 5.2 system that I am currently > > reluctant to upgrade. I have the red hat 6 CDs and I am wondering if > > I an install thouse RPMs instead of dowloding 50 meg of files of > > slightly older revisions to run with Red Hat 5.2. > > Even if you install Redhat 6.0 you will want/need to upgrade most of > Gnome to get it running Perfect. > > The Upgrade from 5.2 to 6.0 is smooth and easy worth the trouble. > > Dennis Lee > > The upgrade is definitely worth the time. If you are going to RH6, the new rpms on Dax Kelson's ftp site (ftp.gurulabs.com) definitely have made gnome and E much nicer and robust/stable. Upgrading the rpms is highly recommended. I have done so on both my linux desktop and laptop. Things are quite nice now. -- Michael Perry - "No one can give you wiser advice mperry@tsoft.com .o O than yourself" -Cicero ' ) \ Gnome: at www.gnome.org!! \ _) where happiness is a state of foot. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 31621 invoked from network); 21 Aug 1999 21:27:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 21 Aug 1999 21:27:35 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA07873; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:27:33 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11IIfj-000Hc0-0C; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:27:31 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id WAA32235; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:27:22 +0100 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 22:27:22 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Panel proposal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi all, I've just checked out gnome-core from cvs. The panel now has new icons and new menus (and new icons, well done and keep it up those people). However, from the very first moment I first saw the panel, I wanted to get rid of those ugly icons in the middle of the panel (Help, Netscape, etc). Since QuickLaunch_applet is used by quite a number of us, and tries to lower the screen estate which those big icons use, can I suggest that: 1. get rid of those icons from the default session 2. include Quicklaunch or Son of Quicklaunch if such a thing exists and is better in gnome. 3. launch Quicklaunch left-justified to the right of the foot/new menu 4. plonk the following in Quicklaunch: - icon for web browser (maybe standard gnome web browser icon configurable to run netscape 4 or 5 when it comes? also Opera is coming I belive) - icon for a terminal (again, standard terminal icon configurable for xterm, rxvt, Eterm, gnome-terminal, etc) - icon for Help (book with a ? mark over it sounds good) - icon for control-center - eventually other gnome apps Also, put gnome-pager or Son of left-justified but right of anything else left-justified (so that it can easily expand to the right). Finally, I don't know how popular this would be, but how about putting the Mixer applet to the left of the clock? btw, just how do you go about making a default session? I.e. create a panel to your liking, select 'Save as default' and then rm ~/.gnome/session, load up again and find it still all there? Just my thoughts. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From jirka@5z.com Fri May 12 00:03:38 2000 Received: (qmail 14447 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 00:06:16 -0000 Received: from julia.linux.bogus (dt064n4c.san.rr.com [24.30.155.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17482; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:06:10 -0400 Received: (from jirka@localhost) by julia.linux.bogus (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA07211; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:05:48 -0700 Message-ID: <19990821170548.B2660@julia.linux.bogus> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 17:05:48 -0700 From: George To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from James Green on Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 10:27:22PM +0100 On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 10:27:22PM +0100, James Green wrote: > btw, just how do you go about making a default session? I.e. create a > panel to your liking, select 'Save as default' and then rm > ~/.gnome/session, load up again and find it still all there? some of the things in the default session are dynamically calculated so it would make it harder to make some sort of default session loader (however it's on my todolist) BTW: I just changed the default session around so you may want to check out what's currently in CVS, and remove your .gnome/panel.d and be amazed (well not really:) the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) George -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ George Lebl http://www.5z.com/jirka/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following implements RSA in perl and is illegal to export from the US: #!/bin/perl -sp0777i; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:23:36 -0400 Received: (from bidemi@localhost) by CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA28957 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:28:45 -0400 Message-Id: <199908220028.UAA28957@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:28:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Rasaki Bidemi Bolanle Temidire Reply-To: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Subject: BeOS GTK Theme To: GNOME Mailing List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi Everyone, I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me why the BeOS gtk theme takes so long to render when switching between virtual desktops. Actually I find it slow just on one desktop when switching from one application to another. I am currently trying this theme with Enlightenment but I was using Window Maker before then and it was slow under that too. I have an 8MB ATI Xpert98 video card. I have 128MB of memory on my machine. I am using Xig's AcceleratedX 4.1.2 server. I was using the GTKStep theme before and it was fast and beautiful. I like the BeOS look and thought about trying it but it is slow. I noticed that the iMac themes are almost as slow as well. I was just wondering why this was. Any answers? Bidemi Temidire -- "And politics is like war. It takes three things to win. The first is money and the second is money and the third is money." - Joe Kane From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 24636 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 00:28:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 00:28:50 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18724; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:28:49 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ILV6-000Nrc-0A; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:28:48 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA32603; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:28:37 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:28:36 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: George cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Panel proposal In-Reply-To: <19990821170548.B2660@julia.linux.bogus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, George wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 10:27:22PM +0100, James Green wrote: > > btw, just how do you go about making a default session? I.e. create a > > panel to your liking, select 'Save as default' and then rm > > ~/.gnome/session, load up again and find it still all there? > > some of the things in the default session are dynamically calculated so it > would make it harder to make some sort of default session loader (however > it's on my todolist) cool > BTW: I just changed the default session around so you may want to check out > what's currently in CVS, and remove your .gnome/panel.d and be amazed (well > not really:) Well, the menus are all different, but I hadn't rm'ed .gnome/panel.d - I'll take a look soon... > the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient > hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) Then maybe it should be part of core and get fixed? -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 25750 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 00:29:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 00:29:44 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup530.nni.com [216.107.9.12]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18842 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:29:43 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id UAA06593; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:27:21 GMT Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:27:21 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Cc: GNOME Mailing List Subject: BeOS GTK Theme Message-ID: <19990821202721.B6584@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 The slower themes are pixmaped based: whereas the GtkStep, Default, Metal, Redmond, and Notif themes are engines based which are binary and much quicker. -- Eric Windisch On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:28:41 Rasaki Bidemi Bolanle Temidire wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me why the BeOS gtk theme > takes so long to render when switching between virtual desktops. > Actually I find it slow just on one desktop when switching from one > application to another. I am currently trying this theme with > Enlightenment but I was using Window Maker before then and it was slow > under that too. > > I have an 8MB ATI Xpert98 video card. I have 128MB of memory on my > machine. I am using Xig's AcceleratedX 4.1.2 server. I was using the > GTKStep theme before and it was fast and beautiful. I like the BeOS > look and thought about trying it but it is slow. I noticed that the > iMac themes are almost as slow as well. I was just wondering why this > was. Any answers? > > Bidemi Temidire > -- > "And politics is like war. It takes three things to win. The first is money and the second is money and the third is money." > - Joe Kane > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 3358 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 00:49:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 00:49:16 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19811 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 20:49:14 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA11493; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:59:15 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:59:15 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca cc: GNOME Mailing List Subject: Re: BeOS GTK Theme In-Reply-To: <199908220028.UAA28957@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The GTK+ themes system works by loading shared libraries that contain functions for performing drawing primitives (such as draw an embossed box). These shared libraries are called theme engines. Some examples are GtkStep (which you were using), metal, and the pixmap engine. The pixmap engine draws images to the screen for the drawing primitives, and can be configured from the style RC file. The majority of GTK+ themes you find are probably based on this engine, because they do not require any coding. They are slower of course (what do you think would be faster -- drawing an image to screen, or saying `clear this area to this colour, then draw some lines around it'). If you want a faster beos theme, it would probably have to be converted to a theme engine. This could be a nice project for someone who likes the beos theme, such as yourself :) Or you could ask the beos theme author about it (they may not be able to help though). James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, Rasaki Bidemi Bolanle Temidire wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I was wondering if anyone out there can tell me why the BeOS gtk theme > takes so long to render when switching between virtual desktops. > Actually I find it slow just on one desktop when switching from one > application to another. I am currently trying this theme with > Enlightenment but I was using Window Maker before then and it was slow > under that too. > > I have an 8MB ATI Xpert98 video card. I have 128MB of memory on my > machine. I am using Xig's AcceleratedX 4.1.2 server. I was using the > GTKStep theme before and it was fast and beautiful. I like the BeOS > look and thought about trying it but it is slow. I noticed that the > iMac themes are almost as slow as well. I was just wondering why this > was. Any answers? > > Bidemi Temidire > -- > "And politics is like war. It takes three things to win. The first is money and the second is money and the third is money." > - Joe Kane > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From jirka@5z.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 30456 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 01:55:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 01:55:08 -0000 Received: from julia.linux.bogus (dt064n4c.san.rr.com [24.30.155.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA23677; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 21:55:05 -0400 Received: (from jirka@localhost) by julia.linux.bogus (8.8.7/8.8.7) id SAA08572; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:55:01 -0700 Message-ID: <19990821185501.C2660@julia.linux.bogus> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:55:01 -0700 From: George To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org References: <19990821170548.B2660@julia.linux.bogus> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: ; from James Green on Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 01:28:36AM +0100 X-Mutt-References: On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 01:28:36AM +0100, James Green wrote: > > the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient > > hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) > > Then maybe it should be part of core and get fixed? if it does get fixed and gets more sane behaviour (it has some things that I don't particularly like) I can do this: if the panel finds the quicklaunch, it will add it, otherwise it will add normal icons George -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ George Lebl http://www.5z.com/jirka/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following implements RSA in perl and is illegal to export from the US: #!/bin/perl -sp0777i; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 01:39:34 -0400 Received: by dethstar.ath.cx via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:34:30 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 00:34:29 -0500 From: "Eric Gillespie, Jr." To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: NAS vs. ESD (not a troll!) Message-ID: <19990822003429.A11541@dethstar> Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary=rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I posted this a couple days ago, and got no response. It occurred to me that this might be one of those issues that has come up time and time again and people are sick of it (like "Why did GTK choose C instead of C++?"). However, if that's the case, it should be in the FAQ. I just checked the list archives and the FAQ again, and couldn't find any references to this topic, so I'll ask again. Why doesn't Gnome use nas instead of esd? When running the X server and clients on different computers, does esd play sound on the client machine (useless) or on the server machine? The reason I'm asking is that it looks like NAS does everything esd does and more. -- Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping." --Friedrich Nietzsche --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3vFNFPTmY0kRwMzIRAWN4AJ4g8ndF2+kBzTPWacWamlOxI0zrAwCfTN9+ xK6WISTw4ZBAOuZbBxj0qdg= =A1RM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --rwEMma7ioTxnRzrJ-- From stric@ing.umu.se Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 22894 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 06:06:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 06:06:54 -0000 Received: from tekla.ing.umu.se (root@tekla.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.80]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA04310 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 02:06:54 -0400 Received: from thelma.ing.umu.se (stric@thelma.ing.umu.se [130.239.117.81]) by tekla.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) with ESMTP id IAA30195 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:06:52 +0200 Received: (from stric@localhost) by thelma.ing.umu.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id IAA14555 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:06:51 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:06:51 +0200 From: Tomas Ogren To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: NAS vs. ESD (not a troll!) Message-ID: <19990822080651.A14544@thelma.ing.umu.se> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990822003429.A11541@dethstar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990822003429.A11541@dethstar>; from Eric Gillespie, Jr. on Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 12:34:29AM -0500 X-System: Linux thelma 2.0.37 X-Until2000: 4 months, 7 days, 15 hours, 54 minutes, and 34 seconds On 22 August, 1999 - Eric Gillespie, Jr. sent me these 1,4K bytes: > Why doesn't Gnome use nas instead of esd? When running the X server and > clients on different computers, does esd play sound on the client machine > (useless) or on the server machine? Depends on what you tell it to, but it can play local, remote or both.. $ESPEAKER ... /Tomas -- Tomas Ögren, stric@ing.umu.se, http://www.ing.umu.se/~stric/ |- Student at Computing Science, University of Umeĺ `- Sysadmin at {cs,ing,acc}.umu.se From rodgerd@ihug.co.nz Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 29492 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 12:02:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 12:02:35 -0000 Received: from orwell.weta.dyn.ml.org (p26-max3.wlg.ihug.co.nz [209.79.142.90]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19763 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:02:22 -0400 Received: (from rodgerd@localhost) by orwell.weta.dyn.ml.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA21057 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:01:45 +1200 X-Authentication-Warning: orwell.weta.dyn.ml.org: rodgerd set sender to rodgerd@ihug.co.nz using -f Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:01:45 +1200 From: Rodger Donaldson To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME and netatalk Message-ID: <19990823000144.A18688@orwell.ihug.co.nz> Reply-To: rodgerd@ihug.co.nz Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Currently, netatalk emulates Apple's forked file system by shoving resource forks into directories; the person doing most of the work on netatalk, asun, is looking at moving to a database for performance reasons in future releases. I'm wondering if there are any plans to add the ability to manipulate netatalk managed files to (g)mc and/or the VFS layer. If there aren't I would like to suggest then - but since I lack the ability to come bearing code, I won't. -- Rodger Donaldson rodgerd@ihug.co.nz "The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and Hubris. See the Camel Book for why." From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 12397 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 12:40:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 12:40:54 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA21929 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:40:51 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA14024; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:50:59 +0800 (WST) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:50:59 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Rodger Donaldson cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME and netatalk In-Reply-To: <19990823000144.A18688@orwell.ihug.co.nz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The new gnome-vfs code which Ettore is working on should allow this sort of thing (it will have support for copying metadata with files, so netatalk resource forks should not be too difficult). Of course, someone will still need to write the support, so it is not absolutely certain that support will get in there (as always, patches are welcome). James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Rodger Donaldson wrote: > > Currently, netatalk emulates Apple's forked file system by shoving resource > forks into directories; the person doing most of the work on netatalk, asun, > is looking at moving to a database for performance reasons in future releases. > > I'm wondering if there are any plans to add the ability to manipulate > netatalk managed files to (g)mc and/or the VFS layer. If there aren't I > would like to suggest then - but since I lack the ability to come bearing > code, I won't. > > -- > Rodger Donaldson rodgerd@ihug.co.nz > "The three principal virtues of a programmer are Laziness, Impatience, and > Hubris. See the Camel Book for why." > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From Reagan@busprod.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 17615 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 14:12:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 14:12:37 -0000 Received: from mail.busprod.com (root@busprod.com [206.154.138.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA26426 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:12:36 -0400 Received: from busprod.com (ip58-cs1.bpsinet.com [208.171.129.58]) by mail.busprod.com (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id JAA29769 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:04:43 -0500 Sender: Reagan@busprod.com Message-ID: <37C00511.BDB6B605@busprod.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 09:11:29 -0500 From: xgv X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Panel issue... Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm running Redhat6.0 gnome user... The panel at the bottom, you know when can see all the windows that are open on the panel, click on one and that window comes up on the screen. Well, for some reason beyond me, thats not showing up in the panel anymore. When I open a window it no longer shows up in the panel and when I click - on any open window, it seems to disappear. Use to, when I would click the - on a window it would go to the panel, not no more. Now theres nothing there and I want it to be like it use to be. What needs to be done to restore/change this back? I'm a newbie be gentle (lol)... I hope someone understands what I'm saying? Thanks Allan.... From jg@pa.dec.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 5534 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 15:04:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 15:04:14 -0000 Received: from mail2.digital.com (mail2.digital.com [204.123.2.56]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29072 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:04:13 -0400 Received: from pachyderm.pa.dec.com (pachyderm.pa.dec.com [16.4.16.23]) by mail2.digital.com (8.9.2/8.9.2/WV2.0g) with SMTP id IAA06421; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:04:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by pachyderm.pa.dec.com; id AA13992; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:04:12 -0700 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 08:04:12 -0700 From: jg@pa.dec.com (Jim Gettys) Message-Id: <9908221504.AA13992@pachyderm.pa.dec.com> X-Mailer: Pachyderm (client pachyderm.pa-x.dec.com, user jg) To: Tomas Ogren Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <19990822080651.A14544@thelma.ing.umu.se> Subject: Re: NAS vs. ESD (not a troll!) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain NAS cannot work near real time. This is lousy for both games and teleconferencing applications. ESD may have its own problems: I haven't looked at it, so what I know is second/third hand. There are also two other audio servers around: AF (of which I was co-author: see the Usenix proceedings in the early 90's for a description; code is available, though never ported to Linux, this should be easy). Keith Packard has also written an audio server. The issue is we need ONE good audio server: all servers around have problems as far as I've been able to tell. If people are interested in actively working on fixing the situation, please let me know. - Jim Gettys -- Jim Gettys Technology and Corporate Development Compaq Computer Corporation jg@w3.org, jg@pa.dec.com From blombo@iaccess.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 15009 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 15:23:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 15:23:06 -0000 Received: from hermes.iaccess.com.au (hermes.iaccess.com.au [203.5.74.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30096 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:23:02 -0400 Received: from iaccess.com.au (friggport2.iaccess.com.au [203.36.5.119]) by hermes.iaccess.com.au (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id BAA04845 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:23:15 +1000 (EST) Message-ID: <37BF6CBC.C5C6240A@iaccess.com.au> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:21:32 +1000 From: Julian Blackhirst Reply-To: blombo@iaccess.com.au Organization: jb X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en]C-FREESERVE (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome installation Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, i am having all sorts of confusion/trouble with the gnome installation. I installed a custom/everything installation of red hat 5.2. clearly gnome is not ready to run. I tryed to RPM the files needed from the cd but that didnt work. i downloaded the files from gnome's FTP site. i RPMed them all but it gave me errors for half of them saying that they required each other. still no gnome :-( exactly what must i do to get gnome happening from a custom/everything installation. thanks in advance. Jules B -- X-Card Markup Language: http://welcome.to/jewles From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 25802 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 15:35:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 15:35:00 -0000 Received: from mailout10.btx.dtag.de (mailout10.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.158]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30687 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:34:58 -0400 Received: from fwd12.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.172]) by mailout10.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11IZe1-0004Kh-00; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:34:53 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.217]) by fwd12.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:34:36 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA00576 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:25:40 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:25:40 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome Icon Status Report #3 -- "The long and winding menu" Message-ID: <19990822172540.A573@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Gnome Icon Status Report ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ as of August 22th, 1999 by mawa WHAT'S GOING ON? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ There are people painting icons; I put them into CVS... that's about all.:) GITHNYBM has been updated. The gnome-icons module should be the first place anyone wanting to paint icons for the project should go. Telsa is putting together a couple of panel background pixmaps. The one he sent me as an appetiser is great already; I can't wait to see the rest. If anyone has got more such pixmaps, they should contact Telsa or me. THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Applet desktop entries changed and committed: SlashApp now installs and uses slashapp.png; the Gnome Fish installs and uses gnome-fish.png; GEyes installs and uses gnome-eyes.png. Foot menu desktop entries changed and committed: gfontsel installs and uses gnome-fontsel.png; gnome-util.png has been added to gnome-core/pixmaps and is now used by Utilities.directory. gnome-admin now installs a .directory file for Administration; gEdit now uses gnome-gedit.png like they should. The author/maintainer of the Character Picker applet has announced that he is going to take care of providing an icon. MISSING ICONS IN THE FOOT MENU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Submenu icons: - Applications - Games - Graphics - Administration - Panel Games: - Gnotravex - gTuring Graphics: - ggv Internet: - Gnome Mailman (10) - gftp System: - GnoRPM is using "foot question mark" icon - Shut Down or Reboot Settings Submenus: - Multimedia - Peripherals - User Interface Options Settings: - Gnome Edit Properties - Mime Types - Shut Down or Reboot User Interface Options: - Application Defaults (20) - MDI Utilities: - System Info (guname) - User Listing (gw) - Text File Viewer (gless) - Gnome Penguin - guiTAR - System monitor using "foot question mark" icon - GDict Administration: - GULP MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Main panel context menu: - System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) (30) - User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) - Add applet - Add swallowed app - Convert to corner panel "Add Applet" submenus: - Amusements - Monitors - Utility Amusements submenu: - Fifteen - Game of Life Clocks: - Clock (40) - AfterStep Clock - Clock and Mailcheck - JBC Binary Clock - Another Clock Monitors: - Battery Charge Monitor - CPU/MEM Usage - Disk Usage - CPULoad - MemLoad - SwapLoad (50) - NetLoad Multimedia: - Sound Monitor Network: - Mailcheck - Web Control - Clock and Mailcheck - Modem Lights Utility: - Character Picker - Gnome Pager - Mini Commander - GDict (60) - Tick-a-Stat - Task List - Desk Guide - Where am I? - GNotes! - QuickLaunch - Process management (gproc) CONFLICTS ~~~~~~~~~ - Foot menu: "About" and "About Gnome..." using same icon - Balsa and TkRat using same icon - GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon (70) - Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon - Sound properties, Multimedia submenu using same icon - Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu using same icon (OK IMHO) - same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in applet menu - "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same icon - "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show bookmarks window" in the help browser using same stock pixmap TOTAL ~~~~~ We still need about 75 icons. I must remark that the total number of entries in my foot menu, which is the only base for my estimates, is rising all the time :). Lots of the icons that we need have already been made and only need to be put in the tree. I'll try not to procrastinate too much and do it soon. Thanks to all who have contributed. REMARKS ~~~~~~~ Send any ideas, remarks or contributions to me as I have now got official permission to add them to the CVS tree. Have a look at GITHNYBM if you want to make icons. A note for Ben and everyone else who paints icons: please, please, do not only keep them on some Web page and tell us "hey, I've updated them". The question is, which ones? At least keep a ChangeLog on your site so I can see which icons have been added and which have been changed. That would make my job considerably easier. Thank you. mawa -- Maturity is only a short break in adolescence. -- Jules Feiffer From kkhan@idirect.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 28866 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 15:37:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 15:37:30 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA30849 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:37:29 -0400 From: kkhan@idirect.com Received: from terminus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11IZgf-0001JY-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:37:37 -0400 Received: from kashifkh (liv3-22.hamilton.idirect.com [216.154.54.86]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA09935 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:37:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990822113611.0079d2f0@idirect.com> X-Sender: kkhan@idirect.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:36:11 -0700 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Setting Up Themes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Everyone, My appologies if this question has already been asked and answered. I have downloaded a number themes from http://e.themes.org/ to a floppy on a Windows machine. Then I copied them over to my redhat 6.0 box. I also gave them their primary filename again when I copied them over. Now when I run the gnome config. tool, and try to setup the theme by selecting the theme selctor, I get nothing... is there anything else that needs to be done? Thanks Everyone. Kashif From bidemi@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 32398 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 15:43:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 15:43:05 -0000 Received: from CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (bidemi@[24.112.244.139]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA31301 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:42:54 -0400 Received: (from bidemi@localhost) by CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA13016 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:47:31 -0400 Message-Id: <199908221547.LAA13016@CR505412-A.ktchnr1.on.wave.home.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:47:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Rasaki Bidemi Bolanle Temidire Reply-To: brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: Setting Up Themes To: GNOME Mailing List In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990822113611.0079d2f0@idirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Hi, The Themes Selector portion of the GNOME Control Panel is meant to be used with the themes posted at gtk.themes.org. The themes that you got from e.themes.org are available in the Themes section of the Enlightenment Configuration Tool. Bidemi Temidire On 22 Aug, kkhan@idirect.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > My appologies if this question has already been asked and answered. > > I have downloaded a number themes from http://e.themes.org/ to a floppy on > a Windows > machine. Then I copied them over to my redhat 6.0 box. I also gave them > their primary > filename again when I copied them over. > Now when I run the gnome config. tool, and try to setup the theme by > selecting > the theme selctor, I get nothing... is there anything else that needs to be > done? > > Thanks Everyone. > > Kashif > > > -- "And politics is like war. It takes three things to win. The first is money and the second is money and the third is money." - Joe Kane From hgebel@ns1.inet.net Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 2904 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 15:49:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 15:49:44 -0000 Received: from ns1.inet.net (ns1.inet.net [199.233.93.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA31741 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:49:43 -0400 Received: from inet.net (inetc001c-4-12.9.96.206.in-addr.arpa [206.96.9.162]) by ns1.inet.net (8.8.5/Relay.Free.ISP) with ESMTP id LAA13721; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:49:24 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgebel@ns1.inet.net Message-ID: <37C01B82.ABFEA084@inet.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:47:14 -0400 From: Harry Henry Gebel Organization: Dodd Dental Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: xgv CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel issue... References: <37C00511.BDB6B605@busprod.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit xgv wrote: > The panel at the bottom, you know when can see all the windows that are > open on the panel, click on one and that window comes up on the screen. > Well, for some reason beyond me, thats not showing up in the panel > anymore. When I open a window it no longer shows up in the panel and > when I click - on any open window, it seems to disappear. Use to, when > I would click the - on a window it would go to the panel, not no more. > Now theres nothing there and I want it to be like it use to be. > What needs to be done to restore/change this back? I'm a newbie be It sounds like maybe either the pager crashed or you accidently changed the settings. I'm not sure I understand the second half of your question but anyway here is my two cents: If there is a question mark with an up arrow above it then the pager is still running and you need to change the settings. Click on the question mark and a dialog will come up. Click on the "Tasklist" tab of the dialog then select "Show all tasks" and if you want select "Show all tasks on all desktops." Then click "OK" . If there is not a question mark with an arrow on top then the pager probably crashed (it does that alot, especially on the older versions.) Go to the start menu and select "Panel/Add applet/Utility/Gnome Pager" to start it back up again. I did hear awhile ago about another pager being available, maybe someone else can say in whether it is an a usable state and where it can be found. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 West Dover Hundred, Delaware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From kkhan@idirect.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 8158 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:02:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:02:17 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA32215 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:02:17 -0400 From: kkhan@idirect.com Received: from terminus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11Ia4g-0002Oh-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:02:26 -0400 Received: from kashifkh (liv3-22.hamilton.idirect.com [216.154.54.86]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA20475 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:02:24 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990822120124.007f0180@idirect.com> X-Sender: kkhan@idirect.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:01:24 -0700 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Setting Up Themes Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi Bidemi, Thanks for that info, it's really helpful. Now what is the difference between Windows Manager and Enlightenment? I have read the users guide for gnome, and I didnt come across anything that told what the diff. was. Actually I learned more from what you told me than the manual. Kashif >Hi, >The Themes Selector portion of the GNOME Control Panel is meant to be >used with the themes posted at gtk.themes.org. The themes that you got >from e.themes.org are available in the Themes section of the >Enlightenment Configuration Tool. From sean.middleditch@iname.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 18565 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:16:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:16:07 -0000 Received: from dns1.provide.net (root@dns1.provide.net [207.206.116.33]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00358 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:16:07 -0400 Received: from aweplay.net (IDENT:stm@usr14-113.provide.net [207.206.120.241]) by dns1.provide.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA22776; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:16:04 -0400 (EDT) From: Sean Middleditch Organization: AwesomePlay Productions To: gnome-list@gnome.org, kkhan@idirect.com Subject: Re: Setting Up Themes Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:15:41 -0400 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain References: <3.0.6.32.19990822120124.007f0180@idirect.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082212184500.00761@aweplay.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > Thanks for that info, it's really helpful. Now what is the difference > between Windows Manager and Enlightenment? I have read the users guide for > gnome, and I didnt come across anything that told what the diff. was. > Actually I learned more from what you told me than the manual. There is no difference. Enlightenment IS a window manager, just a rather advanced one (and the most gnome compliant, as far as I know). Sean Middleditch From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 19862 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:17:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:17:23 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00416 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:17:22 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IaJ0-0005yP-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:17:20 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09304; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:14:47 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Setting Up Themes References: <3.0.6.32.19990822120124.007f0180@idirect.com> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 22 Aug 1999 17:14:44 +0100 In-Reply-To: kkhan@idirect.com's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:01:24 -0700" Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Big Bend) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Lines: 9 kkhan@idirect.com writes: > Thanks for that info, it's really helpful. Now what is the > difference between Windows Manager and Enlightenment? I have read > the users guide for gnome, and I didnt come across anything that > told what the diff. was. Actually I learned more from what you told > me than the manual. Enlightenment is a window manager, as is Window Maker. From kkhan@idirect.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 20991 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:17:38 -0000 Received: from icarus.idirect.com (icarus.idirect.com [207.136.80.7]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA00464 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:17:37 -0400 From: kkhan@idirect.com Received: from terminus.idirect.com ([207.136.80.70]) by icarus.idirect.com with esmtp (Exim 3.02 #2) id 11IaJW-0003RC-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:17:46 -0400 Received: from kashifkh (liv3-22.hamilton.idirect.com [216.154.54.86]) by terminus.idirect.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA27182 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:17:45 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990822121636.007f1100@idirect.com> X-Sender: kkhan@idirect.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:16:36 -0700 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Opening Tar Files Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi, I am having trouble opening up a tar file. The name of the file is GTKstep[1].tar.gz that I downloaded from gtk site. I am having trouble 'untaring' it. I can see the file in file manager and looks fine, but I can't open it... I dont think I am using the right command.. Can someone give me the correct command to untar a file please? Thanks. Kashif Also is there a utility out there like winzip that does tarfiles? From hgebel@ns1.inet.net Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 26505 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:32:08 -0000 Received: from ns1.inet.net (ns1.inet.net [199.233.93.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01041 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:32:08 -0400 Received: from inet.net (inetc001c-3-7.inet.net [206.96.9.107]) by ns1.inet.net (8.8.5/Relay.Free.ISP) with ESMTP id MAA15528 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:32:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgebel@ns1.inet.net Message-ID: <37C02585.BD6C3C25@inet.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:29:57 -0400 From: Harry Henry Gebel Organization: Dodd Dental Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Setting Up Themes References: <3.0.6.32.19990822120124.007f0180@idirect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Thanks for that info, it's really helpful. Now what is the difference > between Windows Manager and Enlightenment? I have read the users guide for Enlightenment is the window manager, it draws the window decorations, decides where to put new windows and how big to make them (if the program does not ask for a specific size or location) and enables alot to the keyboard and mouse actions that are not associated with specific programs (for example ALT-F2 to change to the second desktop) basically it gives a user interface for X. GTK is the widget toolkit used by the GIMP and by gnome programs. It controls the individual programs interface, for example it draws the menus, dialog boxes and pretty much all the controls of a program. Enlightenment is not written using the GTK toolkit which is one reason why you need seperate configuration programs (also there is not alot of overlap between what a window manager does and what a normal program does from the user-interface perspective.) There are also other toolkits, the most common ones are probably QT (used by KDE programs) and Motif (used for example by Netscape and alot of older programs and commercial programs) This is why you will notice a different look and different keyboard shortcuts when using Netscape or a KDE program and why the theme capplet does not effect them either. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 West Dover Hundred, Delaware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From bruce@cenderis.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 27196 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:32:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:32:16 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01059 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:32:15 -0400 Received: from cenderis.demon.co.uk ([193.237.0.193]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IaXV-0006m8-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:32:14 +0000 Received: (from bruce@localhost) by cenderis.demon.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA09516; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:30:25 +0100 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Opening Tar Files References: <3.0.6.32.19990822121636.007f1100@idirect.com> From: Bruce Stephens Date: 22 Aug 1999 17:30:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: kkhan@idirect.com's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:16:36 -0700" Message-ID: Lines: 20 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) XEmacs/21.1 (Big Bend) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii kkhan@idirect.com writes: > I am having trouble opening up a tar file. The name of the file is > GTKstep[1].tar.gz that I downloaded from gtk site. I am having trouble > 'untaring' it. I can see the file in file manager and looks fine, but I > can't open it... I dont think I am using the right command.. > > Can someone give me the correct command to untar a file please? It's a gzipped tar file. GNU tar has an option for these, fortunately: tar zxf GTKstep.tar.gz or tar ztvf GTKstep.tar.gz to see what's in it, without extracting. > Also is there a utility out there like winzip that does tarfiles? Dozens. From hgebel@ns1.inet.net Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 27420 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:32:25 -0000 Received: from ns1.inet.net (ns1.inet.net [199.233.93.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01097 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:32:25 -0400 Received: from inet.net (inetc001c-3-7.inet.net [206.96.9.107]) by ns1.inet.net (8.8.5/Relay.Free.ISP) with ESMTP id MAA15536 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:32:22 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgebel@ns1.inet.net Message-ID: <37C02596.9B73775B@inet.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:30:14 -0400 From: Harry Henry Gebel Organization: Dodd Dental Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Opening Tar Files References: <3.0.6.32.19990822121636.007f1100@idirect.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit kkhan@idirect.com wrote: > > Hi, > > I am having trouble opening up a tar file. The name of the file is > GTKstep[1].tar.gz that I downloaded from gtk site. I am having trouble > 'untaring' it. I can see the file in file manager and looks fine, but I > can't open it... I dont think I am using the right command.. > Can someone give me the correct command to untar a file please? Open a terminal and type: tar xvzf GTKstep[1].tar.gz Note that GTKstep has to be compiled, just type ./configure make to compile it then su to become root and type make install to install it. Make sure you type exit after installing, it's dangerous to stay root longer than neccessary. Then use the theme capplet to change themes to GTK step (ps it is the best one good choice, in my opinion anyhow :) ) > Also is there a utility out there like winzip that does tarfiles? Winzip works with tar files but I do not know if will run under Wine. There are two programs called guiTAR and gxTar on the Gnome software map in the System Utilities section, I don't know how good they are. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 West Dover Hundred, Delaware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 2656 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:43:32 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA01791 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:43:32 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id MAA01052; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:43:25 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:43:25 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #3 -- "The long and winding menu" In-Reply-To: <19990822172540.A573@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII ok... I've updated a bunch of icons listed below as well as www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/mathematica.png --Ben On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Gnome Icon Status Report > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > as of August 22th, 1999 > by mawa > > > > WHAT'S GOING ON? > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > There are people painting icons; I put them into CVS... that's about > all. :) > > GITHNYBM has been updated. The gnome-icons module should be the first > place anyone wanting to paint icons for the project should go. > > Telsa is putting together a couple of > panel background pixmaps. The one he sent me as an appetiser is great > already; I can't wait to see the rest. If anyone has got more such > pixmaps, they should contact Telsa or me. > > > > THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN DONE: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Applet desktop entries changed and committed: > SlashApp now installs and uses slashapp.png; > the Gnome Fish installs and uses gnome-fish.png; > GEyes installs and uses gnome-eyes.png. > > Foot menu desktop entries changed and committed: > gfontsel installs and uses gnome-fontsel.png; > gnome-util.png has been added to gnome-core/pixmaps and is now used by > Utilities.directory. > gnome-admin now installs a .directory file for Administration; > gEdit now uses gnome-gedit.png like they should. > > The author/maintainer of the Character Picker applet has announced > that he is going to take care of providing an icon. > > > > MISSING ICONS IN THE FOOT MENU: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Submenu icons: > - Applications > - Games > - Graphics does this work for graphics? www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/paint.png > - Administration > - Panel > > Games: > - Gnotravex try www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/tetravex.png (it's differentt than the old one) > - gTuring > > Graphics: > - ggv > > Internet: > - Gnome Mailman > (10) - gftp > > System: > - GnoRPM is using "foot question mark" icon > - Shut Down or Reboot > > Settings Submenus: > - Multimedia for consistancy, couldn't it use the same multimedia icon as the main menu? > - Peripherals I've updated the plug icon somewhat to make it more legable www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/plug.png > - User Interface Options > > Settings: > - Gnome Edit Properties how about www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/text.png > - Mime Types try www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/mime.png > - Shut Down or Reboot > > User Interface Options: > - Application Defaults > (20) - MDI > > Utilities: > - System Info (guname) > - User Listing (gw) > - Text File Viewer (gless) > - Gnome Penguin > - guiTAR > - System monitor using "foot question mark" icon > - GDict > > Administration: > - GULP > > > > MISSING ICONS IN THE PANEL CONTEXT MENU: > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Main panel context menu: > - System menus (should use same icon as foot menu) > (30) - User menus (should use same icon as foot menu) > - Add applet > - Add swallowed app > - Convert to corner panel > > "Add Applet" submenus: > - Amusements > - Monitors > - Utility > > Amusements submenu: > - Fifteen www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/fifteen.png > - Game of Life > > Clocks: > - Clock > (40) - AfterStep Clock > - Clock and Mailcheck > - JBC Binary Clock > - Another Clock > > Monitors: > - Battery Charge Monitor www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/power.png > - CPU/MEM Usage www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/cpu-mem.png > - Disk Usage > - CPULoad www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/cpu.png > - MemLoad www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/ram.png > - SwapLoad > (50) - NetLoad > > Multimedia: > - Sound Monitor > > Network: > - Mailcheck www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/mail-box.png > - Web Control > - Clock and Mailcheck > - Modem Lights > > Utility: > - Character Picker > - Gnome Pager > - Mini Commander > - GDict > (60) - Tick-a-Stat > - Task List > - Desk Guide > - Where am I? > - GNotes! > - QuickLaunch > - Process management (gproc) > > > > CONFLICTS > ~~~~~~~~~ > - Foot menu: "About" and "About Gnome..." using same icon > - Balsa and TkRat using same icon > - GnomENIUS and gnome-calc using same icon > (70) - Gnome PPP and Internet Submenu using same icon try www.arhs.net/~frantzdb/new_icons/gnome-dial.png > - Sound properties, Multimedia submenu using same icon > - Multimedia submenu in foot menu and Multimedia submenu in applet menu > using same icon (OK IMHO) (good IMHO :-) > - same thing with Internet submenu in foot menu and Network submenu in > applet menu > - "This panel properties..." and "Global properties..." using same > icon > - "Show documentation index", "Show history window" and "Show > bookmarks window" in the help browser using same stock pixmap > > > > TOTAL > ~~~~~ > > We still need about 75 icons. I must remark that the total number of > entries in my foot menu, which is the only base for my estimates, is > rising all the time :). Lots of the icons that we need have already > been made and only need to be put in the tree. I'll try not to > procrastinate too much and do it soon. > > Thanks to all who have contributed. > > > > REMARKS > ~~~~~~~ > > Send any ideas, remarks or contributions to me as I have now got > official permission to add them to the CVS tree. Have a look at > GITHNYBM if you want to make icons. > > A note for Ben and everyone else who paints icons: please, please, do > not only keep them on some Web page and tell us "hey, I've updated > them". The question is, which ones? At least keep a ChangeLog on your > site so I can see which icons have been added and which have been > changed. That would make my job considerably easier. Thank you. > > > > mawa > -- > Maturity is only a short break in adolescence. > -- Jules Feiffer > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 5749 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 16:49:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 16:49:02 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA02113 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:49:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id MAA01064; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:45:03 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:45:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: kkhan@idirect.com cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Setting Up Themes In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990822113611.0079d2f0@idirect.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII copy the .etheme files to either enlightenment's PREFIX/enlightenment/themes dir or ~/.enlightenment/themes --Ben On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 kkhan@idirect.com wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > My appologies if this question has already been asked and answered. > > I have downloaded a number themes from http://e.themes.org/ to a floppy on > a Windows > machine. Then I copied them over to my redhat 6.0 box. I also gave them > their primary > filename again when I copied them over. > Now when I run the gnome config. tool, and try to setup the theme by > selecting > the theme selctor, I get nothing... is there anything else that needs to be > done? > > Thanks Everyone. > > Kashif > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 24138 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 17:44:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 17:44:04 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA05050 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:44:03 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id TAA00663; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:44:25 +0200 To: blombo@iaccess.com.au Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome installation References: <37BF6CBC.C5C6240A@iaccess.com.au> From: Preben Randhol Date: 22 Aug 1999 19:44:25 +0200 In-Reply-To: Julian Blackhirst's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:21:32 +1000" Message-ID: Lines: 22 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Julian Blackhirst writes: | Hi, i am having all sorts of confusion/trouble with the gnome | installation. | I installed a custom/everything installation of red hat 5.2. | clearly gnome is not ready to run. I tryed to RPM the files needed from | the cd but that didnt work. i downloaded the files from gnome's FTP | site. i RPMed them all but it gave me errors for half of them saying | that they required each other. | still no gnome :-( | exactly what must i do to get gnome happening from a custom/everything | installation. | thanks in advance. | Jules B type rpm -Uvh gnome* (and all the rest of the rpms in one line) -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From bruno@fred.scooby.de Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 6122 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 18:19:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 18:19:15 -0000 Received: from hugo.fen.baynet.de (root@hugo.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA06726 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:19:11 -0400 Received: from fred.scooby.de (bruno@dialin-er-02.fen.baynet.de [194.95.193.66]) by hugo.fen.baynet.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id UAA22307 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:18:26 +0200 (MET DST) Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <19990822003429.A11541@dethstar> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:21:11 +0200 (MEST) Reply-To: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de Sender: bruno@fred.scooby.de From: Thomas Hedler To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: NAS vs. ESD (not a troll!) On 22-Aug-99 Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > I posted this a couple days ago, and got no response. It occurred > to > me that this might be one of those issues that has come up time and > time > again and people are sick of it (like "Why did GTK choose C instead > of > C++?"). However, if that's the case, it should be in the FAQ. I > just > checked the list archives and the FAQ again, and couldn't find any > references to this topic, so I'll ask again. Sorry. Maybe I am only one of many who doesn't have a answer? > Why doesn't Gnome use nas instead of esd? When running the X server > and > clients on different computers, does esd play sound on the client > machine > (useless) or on the server machine? > > The reason I'm asking is that it looks like NAS does everything esd > does > and more. I think you know many things than me. Can you concrete list some features nas can that esd can't or give me some links to read. Because I am interested in music and computers this one is very important for me. Thomas --- EMail: thomas.hedler@fen.baynet.de From lauris@ariman.ee Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 25302 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 19:43:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 19:43:59 -0000 Received: from kolumats.ariman.ee (lauris@tnt2-115.estpak.ee [195.250.181.115]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA13158 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:43:57 -0400 Received: from localhost (lauris@localhost) by kolumats.ariman.ee (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07377; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:46:31 +0300 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:46:31 +0300 (EEST) From: Lauris Kaplinski To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: raph@gimp.org, hp@pobox.com Subject: a vector drawing program Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello Having been unsucessfully trying to hybridize ezpaint with gill, I gave up and started the vector drawing part from ground up. What has came out, including screenshot, can be seen at: http://www.ariman.ee/linux/sodipodi/ It is very alpha. Currently it has some slight ideas, how to: Load svg files (borrowed from gill) Save svg files Print some objects (using gnome-print) Import images (using gdk-pixbuf) Transform objects (move, scale, rotate) Generate ellipses, rectangles and text objects Do gradient fills & desaturation fills Group, raise and lower objects Lauris Kaplinski From fdunn@ix.netcom.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 14484 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 20:22:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 20:22:27 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA15872 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:22:27 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id PAA00957 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:22:11 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908222022.PAA00957@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va22-53.ix.netcom.com(207.223.181.181) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma000904; Sun Aug 22 15:21:48 1999 From: "Fred Dunn" To: "Gnome list" Subject: Cursor shape's changed Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:21:43 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over the background and file manager it's an X. How can this be reset back to the pointer? From famrom@idecnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 19279 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 21:09:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 21:09:49 -0000 Received: from mail.idec.net (root@mail.idecnet.com [194.179.48.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA19205 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:09:48 -0400 Received: from warhound (acceso-b9.mad.idec.net [195.53.121.186]) by mail.idec.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id WAA23991; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:09:21 +0100 Message-Id: <199908222109.WAA23991@mail.idec.net> X-Sender: famrom@mail.idecnet.com X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Version 1.4.3 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:12:37 +0200 To: hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk, gnome-list@gnome.org From: famrom@idecnet.com (Guillermo S. Romero / unnamed / Familia Romero) Subject: Panel bg I made a panel bg and desktop bg, maybe you would like them. They look like rugged paint, of many hues of green (wierd, but if ppl like Propaganda ones, why not these too?). Applied as tiles, btw. I did them for myself, ( ;P "story follows:") first desktop (256 * 256), then a bigger for desktop (512 * 512) and the old desktop became the panel one after increasing brightness. With autohide on, they mix well (panels look like a more important place of the screen, with a bit different pattern, maybe a bit like glass distortion). They are part of my future desktop config (I have to do a E Theme and change GTK+ Metal colors from gray and violet to greenish, for the moment just a fast CleanBig -> CleanBigGreen temp hack). Interested? Web or mail? 600KB total, PNG 24 bit (JPEG better?). GPL license, of course. GSR From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 29404 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 21:30:27 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20678 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:30:26 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom0-106.telepath.com [216.14.0.106]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id QAA18946; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:29:51 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37C06D43.8B16266F@telepath.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:36:03 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Preben Randhol CC: blombo@iaccess.com.au, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome installation References: <37BF6CBC.C5C6240A@iaccess.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preben Randhol wrote: > > Julian Blackhirst writes: > > | Hi, i am having all sorts of confusion/trouble with the gnome > | installation. > | I installed a custom/everything installation of red hat 5.2. > | clearly gnome is not ready to run. I tryed to RPM the files needed from > | the cd but that didnt work. i downloaded the files from gnome's FTP > | site. i RPMed them all but it gave me errors for half of them saying > | that they required each other. > | still no gnome :-( > | exactly what must i do to get gnome happening from a custom/everything > | installation. > | thanks in advance. > | Jules B > > type rpm -Uvh gnome* (and all the rest of the rpms in one line) > If you have all the files you want to up grade in one dir. rpm -Uvh *.rpm works very well Dennis Lee From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 30771 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 21:31:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 21:31:48 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20765 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:31:47 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01198; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:32:05 +0200 To: Dennis Lee Cc: blombo@iaccess.com.au, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome installation References: <37BF6CBC.C5C6240A@iaccess.com.au> <37C06D43.8B16266F@telepath.com> From: Preben Randhol Date: 22 Aug 1999 23:32:04 +0200 In-Reply-To: Dennis Lee's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:36:03 -0500" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Dennis Lee writes: | If you have all the files you want to up grade in one dir. | rpm -Uvh *.rpm works very well Unless you have installed some of them already. Then rpm will abort I imagine. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 32047 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 21:33:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 21:33:17 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA20824 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:33:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id RAA02267; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:33:15 -0400 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:33:15 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Fred Dunn cc: Gnome list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed In-Reply-To: <199908222022.PAA00957@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII 2 questions for you: define all of a sudden, and have you restarted X sence the problem began? --Ben On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If > it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over the > background and file manager it's an X. > > How can this be reset back to the pointer? > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From epg@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 2749 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 21:42:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 21:42:27 -0000 Received: from dethstar.ath.cx (root@port54.oxf.netdoor.com [208.148.218.118]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21184 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:42:26 -0400 Received: by dethstar.ath.cx via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:37:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:37:06 -0500 From: "Eric Gillespie, Jr." To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: NAS vs. ESD (not a troll!) Message-ID: <19990822163706.B13300@dethstar> Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990822003429.A11541@dethstar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=neYutvxvOLaeuPCA; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Thomas Hedler on Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 08:21:11PM +0200 --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 08:21:11PM +0200, Thomas Hedler wrote: > I think you know many things than me. > Can you concrete list some features nas can that esd can't or give me > some links to read. Because I am interested in music and computers > this one is very important for me. >=20 Actually, no, I don't. The reason I was asking is that esd has no documentation and it didn't look like it worked over a network like nas and X. I was wrong. Also, someone said nas does not work in real time, whereas esd does. So it looks like esd is the right choice. --=20 Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping." --Friedrich Nietzsche --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3wG2BPTmY0kRwMzIRAcYJAKCC7OTrsJHPvVJNHjuhgXFGhyoX/gCfYYUv s0DNXJGMFguCV+R96XsbHWM= =uxOm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --neYutvxvOLaeuPCA-- From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 6861 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 21:51:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 21:51:13 -0000 Received: from mailout08.btx.dtag.de (mailout08.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.156]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA21759 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:51:12 -0400 Received: from fwd02.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.162]) by mailout08.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11IfW5-0006fN-00; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:51:05 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.7]) by fwd02.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:51:01 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA16027; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:20:20 +0200 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:20:20 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: Telsa Subject: YOWCH! Message-ID: <19990822232020.A13481@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org, Telsa Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) The written-language nature of the Internet strikes back! I'm sorry I assumed Telsa was a man. She'll get a bottle of wine from me if we ever should meet. :) mawa, who has been frequently mistaken for a girl some years ago -- Speaking for me, not for Microsoft. Mainly because I don't work for Microsoft. From dennis@telepath.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 15094 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 22:08:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 22:08:11 -0000 Received: from zoom1.telepath.com (zoom1.telepath.com [216.14.10.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23016 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:08:10 -0400 Received: from telepath.com (zoom0-106.telepath.com [216.14.0.106]) by zoom1.telepath.com (8.9.0/8.9.0) with ESMTP id RAA29502; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:07:50 -0500 (CDT) Sender: dennis@telepath.com Message-ID: <37C0762B.E74ECA9F@telepath.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:14:03 -0500 From: Dennis Lee X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Preben Randhol CC: blombo@iaccess.com.au, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome installation References: <37BF6CBC.C5C6240A@iaccess.com.au> <37C06D43.8B16266F@telepath.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preben Randhol wrote: > > Dennis Lee writes: > > | If you have all the files you want to up grade in one dir. > | rpm -Uvh *.rpm works very well > > Unless you have installed some of them already. Then rpm will abort I > imagine. I just tried it. Yes it complains and exits. I would move installed rpms or delete them to get em outta the way. I often down load a group of files into a new dir. rpm -Uvh *.rpm in that then when I am done there is no need to save those used rpms so I just delete that now useless dir. Dennis From miguel@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 26203 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 22:17:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 22:17:32 -0000 Received: from erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@[206.55.242.216]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23710; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:17:31 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA23058; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:15:11 -0500 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 17:15:11 -0500 Message-Id: <199908222215.RAA23058@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, gnumeric-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnumeric 0.32 has been released X-Windows: Garbage at your fingertips. Hey, I have just released Gnumeric 0.32, the GNOME spreadsheet. It has been more than a month since the last release. The Gnumeric team has been very busy working on new and exciting features. You can get it from: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/gnumeric Here is a list of the changes since the last release organized per category, many user requests have been satisfied, look for your favorite new feature in here: * New functions * MDETERM(), MINVERSE() matrix operations (Jukka) * ROMAN() function, which means all math operations of Excel 200 are implemented (Jukka) * Implemented DB, DDB, FREQUENCY, QUARTILE, and XNPV functions (Jukka). * Implemented ISREF, INDIRECT improved CELL (Michael) * Started the implementation of LINEST and TREND functions (Jukka) * Added EOMONTH, WORKDAY, NETWORKDAYS (Jody). * Implemented BESSELI, BESSELK completing the engineering functions (Jay). * Fixed functions * Fixed DOLLAR, DOLLARDE, DOLLARFR, and PROB functions (Jukka) * Fixed several database functions (Michael) * Work on functions : ROW, COLUMN, ISLOGICAL, ISERR, ISBLANK, DATEVALUE (Jody) * Spreadsheet * Support Ctrl-Arrow movement & selection. Make moving corner of selection visible (Jody). * Support F4 switching between absolute and relative addressing modes (Jody). * Reworked internal handling of absolute/relative addressing (Jody) * Fixed cut/copy/paste to relocate relative references to only when copying not cuting (Jody) * Non-relative R1C1 style references implemented (Michael) * Enable Array formulas (Jody) * Handle booleans and errors like real values, rather than as special cases (Jody). * Recognize the nn% syntax (10% for example is .1) (Jody) * Support implict intersection 'feature' of XL for functions, NOT operators (Jody). * Bonobo support is working again (Miguel). * Moniker support for embedding sub-object is here (Miguel). * All IO code now takes an existing workbook to load information into, rather than creating a new workbook and returning it (Miguel). * Scrolling sheet tabs (Miguel, Michael). * GUI * Added GUI for Summary Info (Michael) * Added GUI for range names (Michael) * Import filters * Initial stab at Lotus 123: wk1, wks import (Michael) * Better Excel string importing (Michael) * Fix for padded number insertion (fixes CSV import) (Michael) * Fixed locale setting and switching for file IO (Miguel). * Documentation * More work done on documenting the analysis tools (Jukka) * Automation * Updated the CORBA interface for setting cell attributes (Miguel) enjoy! Miguel. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 27801 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 22:17:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 22:17:57 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA23775 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:17:54 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ifvx-000Cg2-0A; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:17:50 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id XAA30106; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:17:47 +0100 Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:17:46 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Matthias Warkus cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, Telsa , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: YOWCH! In-Reply-To: <19990822232020.A13481@audrey> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Matthias Warkus wrote: > I'm sorry I assumed Telsa was a man. I wondered how long it would take for you to notice that one ;-) -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From deman@win.tue.nl Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 27774 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 23:10:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 23:10:59 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (n23.dial.tue.nl [131.155.209.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA27380 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:10:58 -0400 Received: (from ronald@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.1/8.9.1) id BAA18821 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:12:48 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:12:48 +0200 From: Ronald de Man To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: NAS vs. ESD (not a troll!) Message-ID: <19990823011247.A18334@win.tue.nl> References: <19990822003429.A11541@dethstar> <19990822163706.B13300@dethstar> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i In-Reply-To: <19990822163706.B13300@dethstar>; from Eric Gillespie, Jr. on Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 04:37:06PM -0500 X-Operating-System: Linux localhost 2.2.11 On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 04:37:06PM -0500, Eric Gillespie, Jr. wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 08:21:11PM +0200, > Thomas Hedler wrote: > > I think you know many things than me. > > Can you concrete list some features nas can that esd can't or give me > > some links to read. Because I am interested in music and computers > > this one is very important for me. > > > > Actually, no, I don't. The reason I was asking is that esd has no > documentation and it didn't look like it worked over a network like nas > and X. I was wrong. Also, someone said nas does not work in real time, > whereas esd does. So it looks like esd is the right choice. However, esd is going to be replaced. According to the gnome-devel archive, the code is horrible, and its API is ok for most applications, but not for all. Don't ask me for details :) Oh, it won't be replaced by nas, and the magic new sound server will have a wrapper for esd (and maybe for nas too, but I don't know about that). Anyway, as far as I'm concerned, I won't regret losing esd, since it has always given me horrible sound quality, plus it somehow degraded my cpu performance. (With esd running my computer is a lot slower, even when esd isn't playing any sound at all, and just waiting on a select(). Playing a .wav file doesn't slow down my computer at all.) Nobody else suffered from this slow down, though. (And to be fair, the sound is reasonable as long as the sample rates of esd and the sample being played are the same. But even then, I get lots of skips.) Ronald From fdunn@ix.netcom.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 5758 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 23:40:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 23:40:03 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28759 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:40:02 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id SAA15976; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:39:44 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908222339.SAA15976@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va22-53.ix.netcom.com(207.223.181.181) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma015950; Sun Aug 22 18:39:13 1999 From: "Fred Dunn" To: "Ben Frantzdale" , "Gnome list" Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:38:36 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 "All of a sudden" involves rebooting the PC and restarting X with the command: startx -- -bpp 24 -----Original Message----- From: Ben Frantzdale To: Fred Dunn Cc: Gnome list ; recipient list not shown: ; Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 5:33 PM Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed >2 questions for you: define all of a sudden, and have you restarted X >sence the problem began? > >--Ben > >On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > >> All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If >> it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over the >> background and file manager it's an X. >> >> How can this be reset back to the pointer? >> >> >> >> >> -- >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> > From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 7106 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 23:42:06 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup503.nni.com [216.107.9.125]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA28835 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:42:04 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA00294 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:39:52 GMT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:39:51 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: Gnome list Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed Message-ID: <19990822193951.A270@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 Restarting gnome or running xset with the right parms should fix this. -- Eric Windisch On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:33:15 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > 2 questions for you: define all of a sudden, and have you restarted X > sence the problem began? > > --Ben > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > > > All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If > > it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over the > > background and file manager it's an X. > > > > How can this be reset back to the pointer? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 22006 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 00:30:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 00:30:10 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA31182 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:30:09 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k73-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.73]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA01830 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:30:09 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37C095FF.6B0592E3@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:29:51 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Various suggestions. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit thristian@atdot.org wrote: > > That's the genesis of a truly interesting idea. > > Selections as lists. This ties into such thoughts as the Search Tool list, > selections (in the file manager), moving between desktops, OS/2 Pickup, and so > forth. That is indeed interesting. It'd be fairly simple to implement too, I'd think. Just save the file list just like XMMS does: a text file, one file name per line. (It stands to reason, then, that a GNOME File List would automatically be compatible with XMMS and WinAmp!) Name the file with some unique extension (gfl, for the sake of argument) and tie a MIME type to that file extension. Then, GMC just needs to understand special behaviors for any file with that MIME type. I especially like the idea of deferred drag and drop: collect a bunch of file names, then drag the list file to the target, which acts like dragging all the list's named files to the target. > Lifetime of a list - A list that is just listed but not operated on > [could|should] be kept through sessions. For lists that are operated on, there > are two options - either the list should vanish (like selections do when > operated on, often) or they should stay. I propose a checkbox labelled > "persistent" on our list - after operations, the list continues to exist of > "persistent" is checked. That idea has some merit, but consider also my "make it a real file" idea. I don't really know which one's better, or that maybe a combination is better. But it's something to think about. > > What? I don't understand why you say that. Is a joke or you didn't > > realized how to solve it??? > > (maybe it is my bad english) > > No, I really didn't know that someone had already found a solution. You'll find that a lot in the GNOME world: an unwillingness to invent a totally new solution if something in the OS already gives that behavior, even if it requires some extra work. Maybe that's why I suggest using simple files and MIME to do File Lists -- you don't have to invent something nonstandard to make it work. > Is there anyone here with more security knowledge than I? Is making date suid > root a good idea? Not really, no. Imagine someone breaking into your computer, resetting the system time to some time in the past, and then forging a rotten email from your computer. Then they could set the time back to "normal" and log out. You'd get a complaint from whoever received the email, so to diagnose it, you'd start by looking at the email headers to find the time the message was sent. Then you'd search your machine's log files to see what happened at around that time. You'd be mislead, looking in the wrong place in the log files for clues. Here's another attack that could happen if diddling the system time was something any user could do: you could cause certain cron events to be skipped. Let's say you put a security scanning package in your system crontab, set to run every hour. A cracker could keep resetting the time to roll the system time back and forth _around_ that hour, so that cron wouldn't realize it needs to run the program. Overall, you might not notice that the system time was being messed with, because it would only change by a couple of minutes, twice an hour. -- = Warren Young = See the *ix pages: http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/ix/ = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:39 2000 Received: (qmail 28247 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 00:47:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 00:47:05 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00107 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:47:04 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k73-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.73]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA02977 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:47:05 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37C099F6.FE9E1527@cyberport.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:46:46 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Various suggestions. References: <199908222212.HAA03099@hito.eccosys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Moles wrote: > > Probably the ideal situation, from the user's point of view, would be a > "paranoia" control panel that would let you select among these different > levels or methods. (And, heck, novice users can always use UID 0 -- after > all, they won't be in any worse shape then they were under Win9x! :> ) There's a good idea in there -- I'm not knocking it down completely -- but if a Unix/Linux user logs in as root (or equivalent), they are in fact worse off than under Win9x. Why? Win9x is not a very exploitable system. Now I didn't say that Win9x was not easy to break into, but that, once you break in, there's not much you can do. The worst you can do is swipe files and destroy data: script kiddie stuff. If, on the other hand, you break into a Unix/Linux system, there's almost no end to the havoc you can manage, simply because the OS is so powerful. You can use it as a platform for attacking other systems in order to mask who is doing the attacking, you can set up illicit web and FTP sites, etc. That's why GNOME is trying to make it possible to do everything as a regular user, as much as possible, yet still maintain security. Let's also not forget that GNOME isn't limited to single-user boxes. Sure, maybe nine-tenths of all installed GNOME is on single-user Linux boxes right now, but it's still worth shooting for the higher end of the market. Wouldn't it be great if, say, SCO tossed CDE and started shipping GNOME as the default UI on UnixWare? Or maybe Sun? IBM? They won't do it if the only way to use GNOME sanely is to run it as UID 0. As for your "paranoia" configuration item, I guess the best way to implement it would be to have it set up special permission groups for you. It could, for example, set your shutdown binary to be SGID "shutdown" and add specified users to that group for you. That way, it'd be in the user's hands to incrementally weaken their security. The worst part about ideas like this is that you have to log out and then back in to see the changes, since groups are set up on login, and aren't re-checked as the user exercises those group privileges, at least under Linux. -- = Warren Young = See the *ix pages: http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/ix/ = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 29972 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 00:49:00 -0000 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.159]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA00229 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:49:00 -0400 Received: from dialin84.zdv.uni-mainz.de (root@dialin384.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.175.84]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id CAA14878 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:48:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id CAA24077 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 02:30:01 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: not-for-mail From: Paul Seelig Newsgroups: local.gnome Subject: Re: Gnumeric 0.32 has been released Date: 23 Aug 1999 02:30:00 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Lines: 17 Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87k8qn7307.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <199908222215.RAA23058@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Server-Date: 23 Aug 1999 00:30:01 GMT X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" In-Reply-To: miguel@gnu.org's message of "22 Aug 99 22:15:11 GMT" miguel@gnu.org (Miguel de Icaza) writes: > I have just released Gnumeric 0.32, the GNOME spreadsheet. It has > been more than a month since the last release. The Gnumeric team has > been very busy working on new and exciting features. > There have been over one thousand changes since last release as diffstat reveals: WOW! And the best part for me is that it finally can save in LaTeX2e format so that i don't have to rely on "slsc" or "teapot" anymore. :-) Thanks a very lot for this true gift! P. *8^) -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- From fdunn@ix.netcom.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 20058 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 01:40:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 01:40:16 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03601 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:40:16 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id UAA26118 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:40:12 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908230140.UAA26118@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va22-53.ix.netcom.com(207.223.181.181) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma026094; Sun Aug 22 20:39:45 1999 From: "Fred Dunn" To: "Gnome list" Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:33:00 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 I have restarted it a number of times with no effect. I looked at xset but there're no parameters relating to the cursor I cn see. Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: Eric Windisch To: Gnome list Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:40 PM Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed Restarting gnome or running xset with the right parms should fix this. -- Eric Windisch On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:33:15 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > 2 questions for you: define all of a sudden, and have you restarted X > sence the problem began? > > --Ben > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > > > All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If > > it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over the > > background and file manager it's an X. > > > > How can this be reset back to the pointer? > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 22546 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 01:42:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 01:42:46 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA03780 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:42:46 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJNXSSKV; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:41:42 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem with sound in Gnome--works from control-center, not from panel Message-ID: <19990822.193935.599.4.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-8,11-14 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:41:42 EDT I'm having a problem with sound and Gnome. I'm running pretty much the latest version of Gnome under kernel 2.2.11. I compiled everything from source. I have esd 0.2.8 working fine (I can play mp3 files, etc.). I have sound turned on through the control-center, and I can play sounds just fine from there. But when I launch the panel (either from .Xclients or from a shell), none of the sounds play. At one time it did work. I think it was the first time I launched the panel after compiling and installing everything. But since then it hasn't, and I can't figure out why. Any ideas? Is there a way to search old messages? I tried looking through the last few months, but there are so many messages, and I didn't see anything that seemed related to my problem. Thanks in advance, Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 24890 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 01:47:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 01:47:22 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA04169 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:46:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA22145; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:56:53 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:56:53 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Fred Dunn cc: Gnome list Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed In-Reply-To: <199908230140.UAA26118@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII xsetroot -cursor_name XXXX Where XXXX is replaced with one of the constant names found in /usr/include/X11/cursorfont.h, with the XC_ prefix removed. Here is an example: xsetroot -cursor_name gumby James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > I have restarted it a number of times with no effect. I looked at xset but > there're no parameters relating to the cursor I cn see. > > Thanks. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Windisch > To: Gnome list > Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:40 PM > Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed > > > Restarting gnome or running xset with the right parms should fix > this. > > -- > Eric Windisch > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:33:15 Ben Frantzdale wrote: > > 2 questions for you: define all of a sudden, and have you restarted X > > sence the problem began? > > > > --Ben > > > > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > > > > > All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If > > > it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over > the > > > background and file manager it's an X. > > > > > > How can this be reset back to the pointer? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From hgebel@ns1.inet.net Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 16963 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 02:31:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 02:31:41 -0000 Received: from ns1.inet.net (ns1.inet.net [199.233.93.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA06764 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:31:33 -0400 Received: from inet.net (inetc001c-3-45.inet.net [206.96.9.145]) by ns1.inet.net (8.8.5/Relay.Free.ISP) with ESMTP id WAA09362 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:31:30 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgebel@ns1.inet.net Message-ID: <37C0B206.AE41CF31@inet.net> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:29:26 -0400 From: Harry Henry Gebel Organization: Dodd Dental Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Problem with sound in Gnome--works from control-center, not from panel References: <19990822.193935.599.4.dansherryn@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Daniel P Hensley wrote: > I'm having a problem with sound and Gnome. I'm running pretty much > the latest version of Gnome under kernel 2.2.11. I compiled everything > from source. I have esd 0.2.8 working fine (I can play mp3 files, > etc.). I have sound turned on through the control-center, and I can > play sounds just fine from there. But when I launch the panel (either > from .Xclients or from a shell), none of the sounds play. At one time > it did work. I think it was the first time I launched the panel after > compiling and installing everything. But since then it hasn't, and I > can't figure out why. Any ideas? Are you playing MP3's all the time? If you have esd set to release the /dev/dsp after a certain amount of time, and if after esd releases /dev/dsp your mp3 player gets a lock on it then esd will not be able to get it back. I had that problem and solved it by having my mp3 player go through esd instead of trying to go to /dev/dsp first. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 West Dover Hundred, Delaware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From fdunn@ix.netcom.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 26217 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 02:40:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 02:40:50 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA07515 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:40:42 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id VAA01692; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:40:19 -0500 (CDT) Message-Id: <199908230240.VAA01692@dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com> Received: from vna-va22-53.ix.netcom.com(207.223.181.181) by dfw-ix14.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma001679; Sun Aug 22 21:40:06 1999 From: "Fred Dunn" To: "James Henstridge" Cc: "Gnome list" Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:34:57 -0400 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 Very cool! Thanks. -----Original Message----- From: James Henstridge To: Fred Dunn Cc: Gnome list Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 9:46 PM Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed >xsetroot -cursor_name XXXX > >Where XXXX is replaced with one of the constant names found in >/usr/include/X11/cursorfont.h, with the XC_ prefix removed. > >Here is an example: > xsetroot -cursor_name gumby > >James. > >-- >Email: james@daa.com.au >WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ > > >On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: > >> I have restarted it a number of times with no effect. I looked at xset but >> there're no parameters relating to the cursor I cn see. >> >> Thanks. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Eric Windisch >> To: Gnome list >> Date: Sunday, August 22, 1999 7:40 PM >> Subject: Re: Cursor shape's changed >> >> >> Restarting gnome or running xset with the right parms should fix >> this. >> >> -- >> Eric Windisch >> >> On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:33:15 Ben Frantzdale wrote: >> > 2 questions for you: define all of a sudden, and have you restarted X >> > sence the problem began? >> > >> > --Ben >> > >> > On Sun, 22 Aug 1999, Fred Dunn wrote: >> > >> > > All of a sudden my normal Gnome cursor is an X instead of a pointer. If >> > > it's over a terminal screen I get the normal vertical cursor but over >> the >> > > background and file manager it's an X. >> > > >> > > How can this be reset back to the pointer? >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > -- >> > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> >> >> >> >> -- >> FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq >> To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with >> "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >> > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 18476 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 03:02:38 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA08890 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:02:38 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJN36C2M; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:57:55 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problem with sound in Gnome--works from control-center, not from panel Message-ID: <19990822.205550.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> References: <19990822.193935.599.4.dansherryn@juno.com> <37C0B1DB.83272108@inet.net> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-9,11-14,23-25 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:57:55 EDT > Are you playing MP3's all the time? If you have esd set to release > the > /dev/dsp after a certain amount of time, and if after esd releases > /dev/dsp your mp3 player gets a lock on it then esd will not be able > to > get it back. I had that problem and solved it by having my mp3 player > go > through esd instead of trying to go to /dev/dsp first. No, actually I don't play them much at all. The way I have esd configured is that I put this into my /etc/rc.d/rc.local file: /usr/local/bin/esd & esdctl unlock I'm not positive the second command is working though--maybe I should put it further down the file to make sure esd is up and running first?. At any rate, it doesn't matter. I can kill esd, start it up, do esdctl, and then start panel, and it still doesn't work. The esd documentation was pretty sparse, so it was difficult to figure out how exactly to configure it. But I'm puzzled as to why sound doesn't get initialized with Gnome, even though it's turned on and sounds play through the control-center. When I start panel in a shell, I don't get any error or warning messages about sound. Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 26971 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 07:09:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 07:09:46 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA22914 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 03:09:41 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA15230; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:07:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA12288; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:09:17 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C0F4D6.1544CCE@cetelem.fr> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:14:30 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Warren Young CC: Gnome List Subject: Re: Various suggestions. References: <199908222212.HAA03099@hito.eccosys.com> <37C099F6.FE9E1527@cyberport.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Warren Young wrote: > David Moles wrote: > > > > Probably the ideal situation, from the user's point of view, would be a > > "paranoia" control panel that would let you select among these different > > levels or methods. (And, heck, novice users can always use UID 0 -- after > > all, they won't be in any worse shape then they were under Win9x! :> ) > > ....... > > Let's also not forget that GNOME isn't limited to single-user boxes. > Sure, maybe nine-tenths of all installed GNOME is on single-user Linux > boxes right now, but it's still worth shooting for the higher end of the > market. Wouldn't it be great if, say, SCO tossed CDE and started > shipping GNOME as the default UI on UnixWare? Or maybe Sun? IBM? They > won't do it if the only way to use GNOME sanely is to run it as UID 0. > /home/chauvier/gnu uname -sr SunOS 5.6 Yes !!! > -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From tangent@cyberport.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 21579 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 11:18:18 -0000 Received: from puma.cyberport.com (root@puma.cyberport.com [204.134.75.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA04883 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:18:17 -0400 Received: from cyberport.com (56k73-118.cyberport.com [204.134.118.73]) by puma.cyberport.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id FAA29224 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:18:19 -0600 (MDT) Sender: tangent@cyberport.com Message-ID: <37C12DE8.BA6F2A8A@cyberport.com> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 05:18:00 -0600 From: Warren Young X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome List Subject: Re: Various suggestions. References: <199908230941.SAA01423@hito.eccosys.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit David Moles wrote: > > So unless you're one of those people that's so rich you pay other people > to read your email for you, you'd better start learning -- even if it *is* > more than you ever wanted to know. That's a grim view, but it takes too much of the present state of affairs into account. Some better ways exist, and some we can invent. Since installing and configuring Linux's ipchains firewalling facility, I've come to a fairly simple realization: every user whose OS allows this sort of thing should have it set up. But more importantly, the OS's install routine should set it up automatically. Initially, it should lock out everything inbound (except obvious stuff, like DNS server replies), including nearly all ICMP traffic, especially "ping" echo requests. Then you're effectively invisible. If the user then wants to set up, say, an FTP server, it seems to me that they should _then_ take on the burden of learning how to poke holes in the firewall, and what the consequences are. This is where GUI firewall admin tools come in. There is an important user segment that's currently overlooked by security people: to them, it's either "no network security" or "user behind a firewall managed by professionals". With a simple ipchains firewall set up, it really doesn't matter if I leave root shells logged in all the time: I then have a physical security problem, not a network security problem. Since my machine is at home, physical security is already taken care of. Naturally, I'm talking about home users here, not corporate ones, but that's because corporations already have the policies and personnel to take care of these things. It's the home-user scenario we need to work on, to decide what kind of security measures make sense. In fact, I think the widespread adoption of Linux depends on a friendly way to selectively disable security. (Or to put it another way, a controlled way to elevate normal users to be able to do rootly things, perhaps only temporarily.) Imagine a family machine: dad and mom know the root account password, and dad has his login set up to be able to do some maintenance tasks, for convenience. The kids are able to bring the network link up and down, and to mount removable media. The older sister, Jane, has also been given the ability to run the backup program, because that's one of her chores. All of this is presently possible with the right setup. It's just a question of deciding what GNOME's role in this is: it's probably a GUI tool -- a la linuxconf -- designed to selectively poke holes in the system's security. It's a tool for the casual user, who doesn't want to be tripped up in local security measures that are meaningless for a home machine. -- = Warren Young, maintainer of the Winsock Programmer's FAQ at: = http://www.cyberport.com/~tangent/programming/winsock/ = = ICBM Address: 36.8274040 N, 108.0204086 W, alt. 1714m From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 32053 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 11:34:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 11:34:45 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA05742 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:34:41 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24632 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:33:37 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:33:37 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Stability and Gnome's image among users Message-ID: <19990823123337.G23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <14266.47251.188874.329586@desk.crynwr.com>; from russnelson.com on Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:48:49AM -0400 On Wed, Aug 18, 1999 at 09:48:49AM -0400 or thereabouts, russnelson.com wrote: > > > > But working out what's causing the problem is hard. > > Don't worry about that. The best bug report is one that can be > reliably reproduced. It's best not to speculate why -- that can throw > the bug report reader off the track. Let them figure out why the > problem occurs. Yes, sorry. I wasn't trying to say I try to work out why it happens: what I meant was that I have trouble knowing which program is part of which package, and the bugs.gnome.org thing likes you to include the package name, which I imagine it uses to sort out who gets the report. The "About..." option tells you that this is program (whatever) and version number (whichever). If in addition it told you that this program was part of package (whatever), version (whichever), this would speed things immensely. One thing I have found out, incidentally, which helps when you don't always run X: For those of us who have the documentation installed on the system, and who use some sort of packaging mechanism which updates the docs as well as the program (rpm or dpgk), then doing ls /usr/doc/prog* will often tell you the version number of the program, even if you're not running Gnome and thus able to click on the "About.." at the time. If you're in bash you can be even lazier: instead of typing 'ls /usr/doc/' then the first part of the program name and then the *, you can type 'ls /usr/doc/' then the first part of the program name and just hit tab. You'll either get the rest filled in, or a flash or beep. If you get the flash or beep, hit tab again and it will give you all the possibilities in that directory. Try it with 'ls /usr/doc/gn' and hit tab twice to see what I mean. Handy if you forgot to write the version number down before quitting gnome. This works in Linux. I don't know where *BSD or Solaris put documentation, nor whether it would work there. Someone will probably tell me this is a bad idea and why, now, but it helps me :) Telsa From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 4358 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 11:43:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 11:43:23 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA06301 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:42:56 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA24652 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:41:46 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:41:46 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome Icon Status Report #3 -- "The long and winding menu" Message-ID: <19990823124146.H23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990822172540.A573@audrey> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990822172540.A573@audrey>; from Matthias Warkus on Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 05:25:40PM +0200 On Sun, Aug 22, 1999 at 05:25:40PM +0200 or thereabouts, Matthias Warkus wrote: > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Gnome Icon Status Report > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > as of August 22th, 1999 ... > Telsa is putting together a couple of > panel background pixmaps. The one he sent me as an appetiser is great > already; I can't wait to see the rest. If anyone has got more such > pixmaps, they should contact Telsa or me. I think the first one was beginners' luck! The rest are being more difficult, so may be some time. I haven't forgotten or abandoned it, though. And yeah, I'm female, but if being mistaken for male gets me a bottle of virtual wine, I can live with that :) Telsa From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 3001 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 13:17:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 13:17:48 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA14356; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:17:43 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA24849; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:16:36 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 14:16:35 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-gui-list@gnome.org Subject: Making it easier to submit bug reports Message-ID: <19990823141634.J23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-gui-list@gnome.org References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from Miguel de Icaza on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 11:42:28AM -0500 Blame Miguel for the cc line, if you get it three times :) Sorry in advance for length, too :( Maybe I should have stuck it on the web somewhere and posted the url, but I have nowhere to put it as my connection is up and down at the moment. > > I have a few ideas about what might make it easier to submit > > bug reports, too. I'n not sure where the best place to send them > > is, but if people are interested, I can send them here? (Or > > wherever is better.) > > you can post it here. You could also CC gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, > and gnome-gui-list@gnome.org. > > I would love to improve this system. > > best wishes, > Miguel. I wish I could summarise more effectively. Here goes. If you're clicking on a program off the menus in Gnome, you don't necessarily know what they're called. In "System/System", there is an 'About Myself' option. I found a problem with the program, and I had trouble reporting it because first, I didn't know what program it was running, and second, I didn't know what package it came from. (I found the first by using 'top', and abandoned the second when I found my problem happened outside Gnome. I sent the bug to Red Hat's bugzilla instead, since it didn't really seem to be a Gnome issue.) However, where do I find what packages a program is part of and thus (I imagine) which package I should refer to in a bug report? (I have pluralised packages, because I saw "gnome-terminal" as a separate package on bugs.gnome.org, sent one in for that, and got a reply saying it had gone to gnome-core-maint. That's confusing, too!) My concrete suggestions would be: if I am running something that's clearly a Gnome program, I can click on "About..." and get the program name and version. I would _love_ it if programs that are part of packages also included which package they're in. I would like to see that. That's my number one beg-beg-beg-please. Somewhere obvious there should be a way to find out what program a menu item is invoking. The Gnome menu editor will show you this for your own additions and for some of the standard menu items. But with the example above about userinfo, if I look in the menu editor, and look at System/System, of the options on my menu, the only one that is mentioned by the menu editor is GnoRPM. If this is a bug with the editor, then I'll add it, but if there's a reason why this isn't shown, I'd counter it with the point that this is one of the obvious places to look to see what a menu item does. Having only some of them is disconcerting. If the menu editor isn't the right place, then a menu-viewer which tells you what command is run when you select items from the main menu would be great (and a wonderful example for people heading off into the command-line for the first time :)). It would save a lot of time. Especially if it told you what package that was part of :) A local copy of something like http://bugs.gnome.org/Reporting.html would be excellent for those folks who pay by the minute for online time. Saves having to fire up a browser and connect and pay to read it :) My more wishlist (and more complicated) suggestions: With the 'About' button on Gnome applications, as well as the authors, the name of the program, the package name (see above!) and a link to any help, a 'Bugs' section. Possibilities below: This might be used to either link to anything relevant in /usr/doc/program/TODO (although the gnome programs on my RH6.0 system have README, NEWS and Changelog - no TODO items.) You could have a link to the local copy of "reporting bugs" there. You could even have a "query bugs.gnome.org for bugs on this package" option. Maybe? (Don't return all bugs by default though there's eighty-five in one of them, and that would swamp someone new! Perhaps just that bugs exist, and to see them, fire up browser at (relevant page) to look at the subject lines for them.) Going further, you could take a partial leaf out of bashbug (not the 'automatic post to Usenet' part, though, please!) and have a button that you click on which generates the right headers for a bug report, and the contents of uname -a (for Linux systems, dunno the right ones for other ones) or whatever is generally relevant. Then the user would just have to explain what they did and what happened. I realise that ideally you want people to try it a few times to make sure it's reproducible, and I can see people fearing that having some of those options will result in two hundred submissions of "Help. I clicked something. How do I get out of" and then thirty blank lines or something :) But that doesn't follow for all of them. Again, sorry for length. The biggest problem I have with bugs is working out what package they're related to so that I can submit 'em, and the automatic "You didn't put in a package version! This is not good..." reply from bugs.gnome.org doesn't help. It needs to tell you how you find that out. I hope some of those are useful suggestions. Oh, and if the first person to reply says where follow-ups should go in future, that might avoid spamming three lists, perhaps? Telsa From kodis@jagunet.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 16565 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 14:25:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 14:25:11 -0000 Received: from kodis.jagunet.com (root@kodis.jaguNET.com [206.156.208.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20274 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:25:09 -0400 Received: (from kodis@localhost) by kodis.jagunet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id KAA19257 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:24:13 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:24:13 -0400 From: John Kodis To: Gnome List Subject: Setting parent to an applet Message-ID: <19990823102413.A19244@kodis.jagunet.com> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome List Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us I've written a simple applet that contains only a labelled button. When this button is clicked, a dialog pops up. This all works fine. I'd like to parent the dialog to the applet so that my window manager will place the dialog near its parent applet. I'm trying to use: gnome_dialog_set_parent(GnomeDialog *dialog, GtkWindow *parent) but I can't figure out what to pass as the parent window in a case like this where the parent is an applet. None of the existing Gnome applets do this, so my usual "grep the sources" technique doesn't help. -- John Kodis. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 19606 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 14:32:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 14:32:01 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20953 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:31:59 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA29359; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:42:18 +0800 (WST) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:42:18 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: John Kodis cc: Gnome List Subject: Re: Setting parent to an applet In-Reply-To: <19990823102413.A19244@kodis.jagunet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well since the applet's window is not managed by the window manager, this may be a little difficult. You may have better luck finding the position of your applet, and setting the position of the dialog manually. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, John Kodis wrote: > I've written a simple applet that contains only a labelled button. > When this button is clicked, a dialog pops up. This all works fine. > I'd like to parent the dialog to the applet so that my window manager > will place the dialog near its parent applet. I'm trying to use: > > gnome_dialog_set_parent(GnomeDialog *dialog, GtkWindow *parent) > > but I can't figure out what to pass as the parent window in a case > like this where the parent is an applet. None of the existing Gnome > applets do this, so my usual "grep the sources" technique doesn't help. > > -- John Kodis. > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From nils@wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 26308 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 15:23:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 15:23:18 -0000 Received: from rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de (root@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de [134.108.34.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27196 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:23:14 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id RAA13354; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:20:33 +0200 Received: from localhost (nils@localhost) by wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA04280; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:17:58 +0200 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:17:57 +0200 (CEST) From: Nils Philippsen To: John Kodis cc: Gnome List Subject: Re: Setting parent to an applet In-Reply-To: <19990823102413.A19244@kodis.jagunet.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, John Kodis wrote: > I've written a simple applet that contains only a labelled button. > When this button is clicked, a dialog pops up. This all works fine. > I'd like to parent the dialog to the applet so that my window manager > will place the dialog near its parent applet. I'm trying to use: > > gnome_dialog_set_parent(GnomeDialog *dialog, GtkWindow *parent) > > but I can't figure out what to pass as the parent window in a case > like this where the parent is an applet. None of the existing Gnome > applets do this, so my usual "grep the sources" technique doesn't help. You want gtk_window_set_position (GtkWindow *window, GtkWindowPosition position); and GTK_WIN_POS_MOUSE as the position parameter. Bye, Nils -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nils Philippsen @college: nils@fht-esslingen.de Vogelsangstrasse 115 @home: nils@wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de D 70197 Stuttgart phone: +49-711-6599405 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From olaf@rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 31597 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 15:33:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 15:33:39 -0000 Received: from rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de (root@rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de [134.169.9.55]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27963 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:33:37 -0400 Received: from tu-bs.de (ppp526.ts.rz.tu-bs.de [134.169.243.226]) by rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id RAA02657 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:33:31 +0200 (METDST) Sender: olaf@rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de Message-ID: <37C16957.3045E4D5@tu-bs.de> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:31:36 +0200 From: Olaf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCttner?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list Subject: feature idea (graphical pipes?) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I just had an idea for a cool feature for the gnome-desktop. graphical pipes !!! while on the console it is easily possible to design a useful pipe with find | tail | sort | uniq | grep | lpr and so on .... :-) it is not possible to do that in a rather graphical user-friendly way. So here is my suggestion: have an icon sitting on the desktop. From out of gmc you drag a file to the icon and the pipe is processed according to the will of the user: .doc - files from word are processed to xml .c - files will be processed to have the #include -files automatically included .ps - files are send to the printer, like in the printer applet .lyx - files will be translated into tex-files .xls - files are automatically deleted :) ... and whatever the user wants. well the output will be put onto the desktop. The pipe will be extension- and name-sensitive and if you drag multiple files other actions can happen like producing diff-files on .txt files or appending files on .tex files. As long as the pipe is working it could show an animation or do whatever you like. how about an install or patch pipe? Drag a patch file onto the icon and ... -- Olaf Grüttner O.Gruettner@tu-bs.de From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 17813 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 15:50:03 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA29543 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:50:02 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA25480; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:47:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA10094; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C16EDB.AF0272D2@cetelem.fr> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:55:08 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olaf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCttner?= CC: gnome-list Subject: Re: feature idea (graphical pipes?) References: <37C16957.3045E4D5@tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit It can be based on named pipes (I suppose they exists on LINUX as on SYS V). a shell and 2 tk scripts A shell script is waiting for read on this pipe the name of the file and depending on the extension do the preferred action. The gui can be written in tk with a drag ' drop extension. I don't know if there is such extension compatible between tk and gmc. The harder (....:-) ) will be the manager of preference and action that must generate the script waiting on the pipe kill it an relaunch it after modification. It's no more 0,5 day work. I'm really sorry, but I have no time to do it by myself... JRC Olaf Grüttner wrote: > I just had an idea for a cool feature for the gnome-desktop. > > graphical pipes !!! > > while on the console it is easily possible to design a useful pipe with > find | tail | sort | uniq | grep | lpr and so on .... :-) it is not > possible to do that in a rather graphical user-friendly way. > > So here is my suggestion: have an icon sitting on the desktop. From out > of gmc you drag a file to the icon and the pipe is processed according > to the will of the user: > .doc - files from word are processed to xml > .c - files will be processed to have the #include -files automatically > included > .ps - files are send to the printer, like in the printer applet > .lyx - files will be translated into tex-files > .xls - files are automatically deleted :) > > ... and whatever the user wants. > > well the output will be put onto the desktop. The pipe will be > extension- and name-sensitive and if you drag multiple files other > actions can happen like producing diff-files on .txt files or appending > files on .tex files. > > As long as the pipe is working it could show an animation or do whatever > you like. > > how about an install or patch pipe? Drag a patch file onto the icon and > ... > > -- > Olaf Grüttner > O.Gruettner@tu-bs.de > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From datazone@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 18985 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 15:50:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 15:50:24 -0000 Received: from mail.airmail.net (mail.airmail.net [206.66.12.40]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA29633 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 11:50:23 -0400 Received: from airmail.net from [207.136.39.198] by mail.airmail.net (/\##/\ Smail3.1.30.16 #30.405) with esmtp for sender: id ; Mon, 23 Aug 99 10:50:23 -0500 (CDT) Sender: datazone@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C16057.1624D23F@airmail.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 10:53:11 -0400 From: Leland Elie X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olaf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCttner?= CC: gnome-list Subject: Re: feature idea (graphical pipes?) References: <37C16957.3045E4D5@tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Would't it better to just have contex menu that popup when you right click on a file with a list of possible actions? oh wait... that is already in gmc. All that is really needed is to make it more customisable, so that you can create user definable actions that you can add to the list, or that when you install an application, it can modify that list and add whatever features it is capable of onto the contex menu. Unless that is already there... Leland Elie [get the latest and greatest rpms at gnome.linuxpower.org/rpms] Olaf Grüttner wrote: > > I just had an idea for a cool feature for the gnome-desktop. > > graphical pipes !!! > > while on the console it is easily possible to design a useful pipe with > find | tail | sort | uniq | grep | lpr and so on .... :-) it is not > possible to do that in a rather graphical user-friendly way. > > So here is my suggestion: have an icon sitting on the desktop. From out > of gmc you drag a file to the icon and the pipe is processed according > to the will of the user: > .doc - files from word are processed to xml > .c - files will be processed to have the #include -files automatically > included > .ps - files are send to the printer, like in the printer applet > .lyx - files will be translated into tex-files > .xls - files are automatically deleted :) > > ... and whatever the user wants. > > well the output will be put onto the desktop. The pipe will be > extension- and name-sensitive and if you drag multiple files other > actions can happen like producing diff-files on .txt files or appending > files on .tex files. > > As long as the pipe is working it could show an animation or do whatever > you like. > > how about an install or patch pipe? Drag a patch file onto the icon and > ... > > -- > Olaf Grüttner > O.Gruettner@tu-bs.de > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From nathan@coconut.islanddata.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 4872 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 16:09:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 16:09:01 -0000 Received: from islanddata.com (islanddata.com [204.253.170.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA31314 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:09:00 -0400 Received: (qmail 12214 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 16:08:13 -0000 Received: from coconut.islanddata.com (nathan@207.110.37.45) by islanddata.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 16:08:13 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 09:09:04 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Island Data Sender: nathan@coconut.islanddata.com From: Nathan Clegg To: James Henstridge Subject: Re: BeOS GTK Theme Cc: GNOME Mailing List , brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Is there any way to find out exactly which engine a theme is using? I think this would be a useful addition to the theme capplet, but I'm certainly willing to search the files as long as I know what I'm looking for. On 22-Aug-99 James Henstridge wrote: > The GTK+ themes system works by loading shared libraries that contain > functions for performing drawing primitives (such as draw an embossed > box). These shared libraries are called theme engines. Some examples > are > GtkStep (which you were using), metal, and the pixmap engine. ---------------------------------- Nathan Clegg nathan@islanddata.com From bulkmail@dds.nl Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 5102 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:00:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:00:43 -0000 Received: from yalta.NL.net (yalta.NL.net [193.67.79.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA15952 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:00:42 -0400 Received: from 1Cust79.tnt3.dial.ams3.nl.uu.net ([212.136.243.79]:56080 "EHLO fates.djb.nl" ident: "root") by yalta.NL.net with ESMTP id <14670-9524>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:00:27 +0200 Received: (qmail 7181 invoked by uid 511); 23 Aug 1999 19:00:35 -0000 From: "Dirk-Jan C. Binnema" Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:00:35 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-libs 1.0.14: crashes when dropping files on desktop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi there, My setup: -------- gnome-libs-1.0.14 mc-4.5.36 gnome-core 1.0.9 windowmaker 0.60 Problem: ------- When I drag a file icon from one place to another, right after the drop, X crashes. This behavior started after installing gnome-libs-1.0.14 and is repeatable. I guess this involves an X bug (I use XFree86 3.3.2 (? -> the one from RH5.2)), however, my friend gdb tells me: Core was generated by `gmc --sm-config-prefix /gmc-a06718/ --sm-client-id 11c0a80102000093387819300000'. Program terminated with signal 11, Segmentation fault. #0 0x8067180 in ?? () Now, doing a backtrace gets me: (gdb) backtrace #0 add_widgetl (where=0x0, what=0x81c8920, layout=XV_WLAY_DONTCARE) at dlg.c:286 #1 0x806730c in add_widget (where=0x0, what=0x81c8920) at dlg.c:380 #2 0x809c282 in new_panel_with_geometry_at ( dir=0x81c75f0 "/home/binnema/mail", geometry=0x0) at glayout.c:804 #3 0x809c299 in new_panel_at (dir=0x81c75f0 "/home/binnema/mail") at glayout.c:815 #4 0x8066788 in impl_GNOME_FileManagerFactory_create_window ( servant=0x813fc90, dir=0x81c75f0 "/home/binnema/mail", ev=0xbffff8dc) at gcorba.c:263 #5 0x8066985 in _ORBIT_skel_GNOME_FileManagerFactory_create_window ( _ORBIT_servant=0x813fc90, _ORBIT_recv_buffer=0x81521a0, ev=0xbffff8dc, _impl_create_window=0x806674c ) at FileManager-skels.c:53 #6 0x40046909 in ORBit_POA_handle_request () #7 0x4004853e in ORBit_handle_incoming_request () #8 0x4004871e in ORBit_handle_incoming_message () #9 0x4006831d in giop_main_handle_connection () #10 0x4001b756 in orb_handle_connection () #11 0x403c3a6e in g_io_unix_dispatch () #12 0x403c4f6c in g_main_dispatch () #13 0x403c5517 in g_main_iterate () #14 0x403c55b7 in g_main_iteration () #15 0x40203203 in gtk_main_iteration () #16 0x809c9e2 in x_flush_events () at gmain.c:386 #17 0x8096e87 in desktop_reload_icons (user_pos=0, xpos=0, ypos=0) at gdesktop.c:610 #18 0x809a14e in desktop_init () at gdesktop.c:2938 #19 0x809cb2c in non_corba_create_panels (startup_dir=0x80d9277 ".") at gmain.c:474 #20 0x809cbd4 in create_panels () at gmain.c:504 #21 0x80653d5 in setup_mc () at main.c:1869 #22 0x80659db in do_nc () at main.c:2240 #23 0x80664ba in main (argc=5, argv=0xbffffad4) at main.c:3125 It's not obvious to me what has gone wrong. The 'where=0x0' in #0 and #1 looks a bit suspicious, as do the 0's in #17. I haven't checked to code though, so I may be wrong. Anyone? Cheers, Dirk-Jan. From nathan@coconut.islanddata.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 6454 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:01:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:01:57 -0000 Received: from islanddata.com (islanddata.com [204.253.170.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA16059 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:01:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 14870 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:01:11 -0000 Received: from coconut.islanddata.com (nathan@207.110.37.45) by islanddata.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:01:11 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Island Data Sender: nathan@coconut.islanddata.com From: Nathan Clegg To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: updates=lost settings Everytime I update gnome-core from cvs and restart, I lose all of my panel settings. Sometimes I will try to restart the panel manually with the correct session id, but that's too much work. Why is this not maintained and what can I do differently? ---------------------------------- Nathan Clegg nathan@islanddata.com From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 24653 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:18:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:18:36 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA17450 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:18:35 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA27167 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:33:06 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:33:06 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Images needed. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII With all of the recent threads about icons and such, I thought I would post this here: I have no artistic ability whatsoever, and so am looking for some icons and such for my program gnomba (http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf/proj/gnomba). What I need is: -Program logo. -Gnome menu icon. images (20x20 or there about) for the tree view for the following things: -network (optional open and close versions) -workgroup (optional open and close versions) -machine (optional open and close versions) -share (optional mounted/not mounted versions) -printer The only real guideline is that the images should look decent, have something to do with what they represent, and follow the general gnome feel. Also the images for the tree view should have transparent backgrounds. If someone had some spare time and was in the mood, I would appreciate it a ton. The current icons are ugly and probably illegal, so I'd like to replace them asap. Thanks! -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net Top 20 Replies by Programmers when their programs don't work: #17. How is that possible? From nathan@coconut.islanddata.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 2189 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:30:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:30:13 -0000 Received: from islanddata.com (islanddata.com [204.253.170.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA18655 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:30:13 -0400 Received: (qmail 15329 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:29:27 -0000 Received: from coconut.islanddata.com (nathan@207.110.37.45) by islanddata.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:29:27 -0000 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT) Organization: Island Data Sender: nathan@coconut.islanddata.com From: Nathan Clegg To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: getting rid of gmc I've decided I don't want gmc controlling my desktop anymore. How can I get rid of it? Is it possible to start a file manager window without launching the desktop controller? Thanks... ---------------------------------- Nathan Clegg nathan@islanddata.com From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 17285 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 19:52:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 19:52:21 -0000 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net (finch-post-12.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA20528 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:52:21 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11J08g-000K92-0C; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:52:19 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA05633; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:51:42 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37C1A64B.3A1BF72A@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:51:39 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Dirk-Jan C. Binnema" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-libs 1.0.14: crashes when dropping files on desktop References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dirk, As far as I know, this is a WindowMaker bug. I have left WindowMaker in control of the 3 mouse buttons. This disables GNOME-related root mouse operations, but seems to prevent the crash. Roll on a new release of WindowMaker... -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From jberkman@andrew.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 27401 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:01:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:01:43 -0000 Received: from smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP1.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.81]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21247; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:01:43 -0400 Received: from serendipity.res.cmu.edu (SERENDIPITY.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.144.14]) by smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA12857; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:01:40 -0400 (EDT) To: Nathan Clegg Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: updates=lost settings References: From: Jacob Berkman Date: 23 Aug 1999 16:13:24 -0500 In-Reply-To: Nathan Clegg's message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:02:01 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <87hflq5hfv.fsf@serendipity.res.cmu.edu> Lines: 16 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Nathan Clegg writes: > Everytime I update gnome-core from cvs and restart, I lose all of my panel > settings. Sometimes I will try to restart the panel manually with the > correct session id, but that's too much work. Why is this not maintained > and what can I do differently? How are you restarting? Logging out and then back in should work (although it sucks) and actually just killing the panel *should* do it too, since it is set to respawn. These problems will be addressed soon though. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 1712 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:06:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:06:19 -0000 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA21811; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:06:17 -0400 Received: from modem-13.astro.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.96.141] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J0MA-00082f-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:06:15 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA11283; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:04:53 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:04:53 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: Gnome list , Gnome developer list Subject: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list , Gnome developer list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ Hi folks. I have recently started development on a scrabble game for Gnome. The project is only a couple of weeks old, but is coming along. My working title has been Gnome-scrabble, but it has been (correctly) pointed out to me that this name is a trademark, and I cannot use it. My imagination sucks. For this reason I am asking for suggestions for a new name for the game. One that will convey the "scrabble" idea, whilst avoiding copyright infringements :) I first though Gnabble, then I thought, no, that sucks. If anyone has any suggestions, please mail them, or submit them to the list. I can code, but thinking up funky names is on the whole, beyond me ;) Reply soon, I have some serious sed-ing to do ;) sed s/gnome-scrabble/newname/g , or something like that? Developers ---------- (and the reason for posting this to gnome-devel-list too) Is there a quick and easy way to rename an entire CVS module? Or do I remove the whole lot and re-import? Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From someone@patmos-international.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 9538 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:13:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:13:08 -0000 Received: from eap.patmos-international.com (someone@eap.patmos-international.com [12.4.220.31]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA22408; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:13:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (someone@localhost) by eap.patmos-international.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26395; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:13:17 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:13:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Joe Decker To: Tom Gilbert cc: Gnome list , Gnome developer list , recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... In-Reply-To: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII What about Gnscrabble or how about Game that has a name copyrighted by a major game company and I dont want to get sued so I name it this big long sentance? or you can always name it Gnome-WordGame... On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Tom Gilbert wrote: > Hi folks. > > I have recently started development on a scrabble game for Gnome. The > project is only a couple of weeks old, but is coming along. > > My working title has been Gnome-scrabble, but it has been (correctly) > pointed out to me that this name is a trademark, and I cannot use it. > > My imagination sucks. > > For this reason I am asking for suggestions for a new name for the > game. One that will convey the "scrabble" idea, whilst avoiding > copyright infringements :) > > I first though Gnabble, then I thought, no, that sucks. > > If anyone has any suggestions, please mail them, or submit them to the > list. I can code, but thinking up funky names is on the whole, beyond > me ;) > > Reply soon, I have some serious sed-ing to do ;) > > sed s/gnome-scrabble/newname/g , or something like that? > > > Developers > ---------- > (and the reason for posting this to gnome-devel-list too) > > Is there a quick and easy way to rename an entire CVS module? > > Or do I remove the whole lot and re-import? > > Tom. > -- > .-------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 15649 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:39:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:39:41 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25199; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:39:40 -0400 Received: from modem-85.europium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.31.85] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J0sU-00060q-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:39:39 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA14209; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:38:20 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:38:20 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: Gnome list , Gnome developer list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list , Gnome developer list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com>; from Erik Andersen on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 02:35:18PM -0600 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Erik Andersen (andersen@xmission.com) wrote: > Quoting Tom Gilbert : > > Hi folks. > > > > How about: > > Scrable? > Scrabbel? > Skrabble? > > (i.e phonetic equivalents) > > -Erik I very much like gnome-skrabble. Does anyone know if I could get away with this??? Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 22270 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:45:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:45:44 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25846; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:45:43 -0400 Received: from modem-85.europium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.31.85] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J0yK-0007b8-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:45:41 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16579; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:44:23 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:44:23 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823214423.C14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, Gnome list References: <990823152020.ZM11063@thelonious.ispi.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <990823152020.ZM11063@thelonious.ispi.net>; from Andrey Zmievski on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 03:20:20PM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Andrey Zmievski (zmievski@ispi.net) wrote: > Joe Decker wrote: > > What about Gnscrabble or how about Game that has a name copyrighted by a > > major game company and I dont want to get sued so I name it this big long > > sentance? or you can always name it Gnome-WordGame... > > Just name it Grabble or Squabble. I think Grabble has already been used for a UK board-game... Squabble sounds like it wouldn't be much fun to play :) > -Andrey > * 2 + 2 = 5 for extremely large values of 2. * Or at least 2 + 2 = 5 in my score calculation code right now ;) Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From dcm@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 22982 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:46:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:46:34 -0000 Received: from chelseafc.labs.redhat.com (chelseafc.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.116]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25922 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:46:34 -0400 Received: (from dcm@localhost) by chelseafc.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA09743; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:49:46 -0400 To: Tom Gilbert CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> X-URL: From: "David C. Mason" Date: 23 Aug 1999 16:49:46 -0400 In-Reply-To: Tom Gilbert's message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:38:20 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 39 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Tom Gilbert writes: > > How about: > > > > Scrable? > > Scrabbel? > > Skrabble? > > > > (i.e phonetic equivalents) > > > > -Erik > > I very much like gnome-skrabble. > > Does anyone know if I could get away with this??? I seriously doubt it. You have to imagine the best for yourself and then think what Milton Bradley would do. For example, lets say that gnome-scrabble replaces the gimp as the "show piece" of open source development. When Milton Bradley finds out that there is a game that not only looks and works like Scrabble(tm)(c)(r)(p) but is named Skrabble they will release the "dogs". You need to get something that doesn't even sound like it is Scrabble(tm)(c)(r)(p) so they wont even notice. I'm sorry to reply without suggesting a name... I kind of feel bad.. maybe I'll go think about it a while. Dave -- David Mason Red Hat AD Labs dcm@redhat.com From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 23707 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:47:12 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:47:11 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA25967 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:47:11 -0400 Received: from modem-85.europium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.31.85] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J0zl-0007qR-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:47:09 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16617 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:45:51 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:45:51 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823214551.D14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <00a301beeda8$65f07a60$0200a8c0@strodenetworks.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <00a301beeda8$65f07a60$0200a8c0@strodenetworks.net>; from Halfline on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 10:45:12AM -1000 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Halfline (halfline@hawaii.rr.com) wrote: > Quoting Tom Gilbert : > >> > Hi folks. > >> > > >> > >> How about: > >> > >> Scrable? > >> Scrabbel? > >> Skrabble? > >> > >> (i.e phonetic equivalents) > > >I very much like gnome-skrabble. > > What about Sgrabble? ;) > (n) > (o) > (m) > (e) Even nicer! I'll use this unless its too close to the trademark... Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 25585 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 20:49:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 20:49:04 -0000 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk (mail4.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.211]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA26145 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 16:49:03 -0400 Received: from modem-85.europium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.31.85] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J11Z-0002BA-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:49:01 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id VAA16651 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:47:43 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:47:43 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823214743.E14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from David C. Mason on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 04:49:46PM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * David C. Mason (dcm@redhat.com) wrote: > Tom Gilbert writes: > > > > How about: > > > > > > Scrable? > > > Scrabbel? > > > Skrabble? > > > > > > (i.e phonetic equivalents) > > > > > > -Erik > > > > I very much like gnome-skrabble. > > > > Does anyone know if I could get away with this??? > > > I seriously doubt it. You have to imagine the best for yourself and > then think what Milton Bradley would do. For example, lets say that > gnome-scrabble replaces the gimp as the "show piece" of open source ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Hahahahahhahaha. > development. When Milton Bradley finds out that there is a game that > not only looks and works like Scrabble(tm)(c)(r)(p) but is named > Skrabble they will release the "dogs". > > You need to get something that doesn't even sound like it is > Scrabble(tm)(c)(r)(p) so they wont even notice. > > I'm sorry to reply without suggesting a name... I kind of feel > bad.. maybe I'll go think about it a while. > > > Dave A fair point. Why does life have to be so complicated? I just want to code ;) Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 7137 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:02:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:02:27 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA27662 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:02:14 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA26586 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:00:51 +0100 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:00:51 +0100 From: Telsa To: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823220051.P23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk>; from Tom Gilbert on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 09:38:20PM +0000 On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 09:38:20PM +0000 or thereabouts, Tom Gilbert wrote: > * Erik Andersen (andersen@xmission.com) wrote: > > Skrabble? > > -Erik > > I very much like gnome-skrabble. > > Does anyone know if I could get away with this??? I doubt it, or I'd have suggested gnilbbarcs. Read it backwards :) There's always the (equally ugly) gnikamdrow, too, from the same idea. If you want something that sounds similar at the start, then go for the Welsh word "sgam" (which should have a ^ over the a). It means scheme, or dodge, according to my dictionary, which sounds somehow apt :) Better check with a native speaker, mind you, for other meanings; I just looked at my dictionary. Also in the dictionary was gnosiology, (the branch of science dealing with cognition), which I think is a splendid word which deserves more use than it gets, so I'm airing it here under the pretence that starting with 'gn' makes it on-topic. After that lot, I bet "skrabble" is looking better all the time :) Telsa From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 14722 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:11:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:11:26 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA28504 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:11:26 -0400 Received: from modem-85.europium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.31.85] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J1NE-0005qa-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:11:24 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18749 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:10:05 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:10:05 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823221005.F14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823220051.P23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990823220051.P23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk>; from Telsa on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 10:00:51PM +0100 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Telsa (hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk) wrote: > On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 09:38:20PM +0000 or thereabouts, Tom Gilbert wrote: > > * Erik Andersen (andersen@xmission.com) wrote: > > > Skrabble? > > > -Erik > > > > I very much like gnome-skrabble. > > > > Does anyone know if I could get away with this??? > > I doubt it, or I'd have suggested gnilbbarcs. Read it backwards :) > There's always the (equally ugly) gnikamdrow, too, from the same idea. > > If you want something that sounds similar at the start, then go > for the Welsh word "sgam" (which should have a ^ over the a). It > means scheme, or dodge, according to my dictionary, which sounds > somehow apt :) Better check with a native speaker, mind you, for > other meanings; I just looked at my dictionary. > > Also in the dictionary was gnosiology, (the branch of science > dealing with cognition), which I think is a splendid word which > deserves more use than it gets, so I'm airing it here under the > pretence that starting with 'gn' makes it on-topic. Now that I like. I also like gnostic (relating to knowledge, cognitive; having esoteric spiritual knowledge. The worry is that people won't realise what the game _is_ I'm in a bit of a dilemna really. > After that lot, I bet "skrabble" is looking better all the time :) I'm now pretty sure I can't get away with that :( > Telsa Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 24057 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:20:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:20:46 -0000 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA29505 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:20:45 -0400 Received: from modem-85.europium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.31.85] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J1WE-0001uE-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:20:43 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA18895 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:19:25 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:19:24 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823221924.G14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk>; from Tom Gilbert on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 09:04:53PM +0000 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ Ok folks, how about the following, o Gnobble o Gnosiology (!) o Gnostic o Gnome-Gnostic o Gnwordy o Gnwords o Gnome-word o Gnome-gridword o Scramble o Scrummage o GnoLetters o GnoDict o Gnomagram Are any of those any good at all? My head hurts. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 5151 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:36:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:36:33 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31089 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:36:32 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11J1lW-000I00-0A; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:36:31 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA05770; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:35:53 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37C1BEB6.79C05C52@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:35:50 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gilbert CC: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823221924.G14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Sgrabble" is my favorite so far. *8^) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From itp@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:40 2000 Received: (qmail 5190 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:36:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:36:35 -0000 Received: from geodesic.foof.org (mail@GEODESIC.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.144.79]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31093 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:36:35 -0400 Received: from itp by geodesic.foof.org with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11J1lZ-00030M-00 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:36:33 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:36:33 -0400 From: Ian Peters To: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990823173633.A11504@geodesic.foof.org> Reply-To: Ian Peters Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823143517.A14889@xmission.com> <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823220051.P23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <19990823221005.F14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990823221005.F14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk>; from Tom Gilbert on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 10:10:05PM +0000 --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 10:10:05PM +0000, Tom Gilbert wrote: > Now that I like. I also like gnostic (relating to knowledge, > cognitive; having esoteric spiritual knowledge. >=20 > The worry is that people won't realise what the game _is_ Screw that; it's a great name, and they should be smart enough to get it anyway. Besides, a good icon heals all. :-) --=20 Ian Peters | GnuPG Key ID 5C23D20C | "They shout about love but when pu= sh itp@gnu.org | E584 2558 FAC3 BEAB EFAC | comes to shove, they live for thi= ngs itp@acm.org | FC74 CFED 7E24 5C23 D20C | they're afraid of." -- Neal Peart --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3wb7hz+1+JFwj0gwRASsDAJ9Cyyn4j5um1HOtCDpcM14gu6C50gCfX/p2 WpQc1gTVI0/qVlKnp1YXGPI= =z9Cg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --CE+1k2dSO48ffgeK-- From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 20826 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:49:07 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA32482 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:49:05 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J1xg-000172-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:49:04 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id WAA05785 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:48:30 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37C1C1AA.61235BA1@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:48:26 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Is there a "timeout" in ORBit? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm having trouble starting Control Center capplets, and I'm wondering if this is a speed issue? (I'm running on an ancient Sparc 10...) If I start: $ screensaver-properties-capplet I get: ** WARNING **: Unable reach the control-center. Exiting... But the Control Center *does* start a couple of seconds later. If I then try again with Control Center running: $ screensaver-properties-capplet it works !(?) What gives? Is this really a timing problem, or am I miles away? -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 29947 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 21:54:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 21:54:31 -0000 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk (mail10.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.214]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA00337; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:54:30 -0400 Received: from modem-239.name33.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.176.239] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11J22u-00011K-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:54:28 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id WAA19595; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:53:10 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:53:10 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: Gnome list , Gnome developer list Subject: [Summary] The name game. (was The game formally know as...) Message-ID: <19990823225310.I14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list , Gnome developer list Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ Wow. Thanks folks, for the amazing response. Keep them coming, I can change the name again any time something better comes along. The name I have chosen is: Gnostic. The explanation of the purpose of the game will mostly be through an un-subtle icon. I have already created one. Thanks to all for help. Thanks to Telsa for inspiring the final choice, and to those who backed it up. >From the Dictionary: gnostic (n-) a. & n. 1. a. relating to knowledge, cognitive; having esoteric spiritual knowledge; (G~) of the Gnostics, occult, mystic. This will be the new working title for the game. It may be subject to change depending on submissions, responses, feedback. Developers ---------- (and the reason I posted it to gnome-devel too) Could someone please rename my cvs module [gnome-scrabble -> Gnostic], and if possible, send me an email when this is done? I'll get the "clean" version up there as soon as I have sed'd it :) Many thanks. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 8887 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 22:02:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 22:02:59 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01257 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:02:58 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA200 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:02:57 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.60]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA191 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:02:57 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA01657 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:02:49 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:02:49 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... Message-ID: <19990824000249.B1189@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: Gnome list References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> On 23/Aug/1999, Tom Gilbert wrote: > I first though Gnabble, then I thought, no, that sucks. It sounds quite good to me :-m But my imagination stinks quite a lot, too :-D -- Roberto Suarez Soto | The world owes you nothing. mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | It was here first. * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | (Mark Twain) From federico@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 17142 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 22:08:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 22:08:40 -0000 Received: from guanabana.labs.redhat.com (root@guanabana.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.58]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01947 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:08:40 -0400 Received: (from federico@localhost) by guanabana.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id SAA04098; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:09:32 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:09:32 -0400 Message-Id: <199908232209.SAA04098@guanabana.labs.redhat.com> X-Authentication-Warning: guanabana.labs.redhat.com: federico set sender to federico@redhat.com using -f From: Federico Mena Quintero To: nathan@islanddata.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: (message from Nathan Clegg on Mon, 23 Aug 1999 12:30:18 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: getting rid of gmc X-Markov: I never wanted it to end like this but flies will always lay their eggs. References: > I've decided I don't want gmc controlling my desktop anymore. How can I > get rid of it? Is it possible to start a file manager window without > launching the desktop controller? Thanks... Just delete all your desktop icons. Federico From jgotts@old.tqstats.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 28140 invoked from network); 23 Aug 1999 22:20:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 23 Aug 1999 22:20:36 -0000 Received: from old.tqstats.com (root@www-tqstats.com.msen.com [148.59.21.42]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA03181; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:20:36 -0400 From: jgotts@old.tqstats.com Received: from old.tqstats.com (jgotts@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by old.tqstats.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id SAA26599; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:20:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: <199908232220.SAA26599@old.tqstats.com> To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, orsingerc@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil Reply-To: jgotts@linuxsavvy.com Subject: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 Breaks Applets (was Re: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 is released) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:20:15 -0400 >Is it necessary to rebuild all other GNOME packages for this to >work? I built this version, installed it, and the logout dialog no longer >worked. In addition, the pager and control center both left core files >regularly when I logged out. I even tried reinstalling the core and >control center packages (without recompiling), and it didn't help. >Re-installing gnome-libs version 1.0.12 fixed all this. I also tried 1.0.14 and even after recompiling control-center and gnome-core, all applets stopped working. Reinstalling 1.0.12 also fixed things here. Any ideas? John -- John GOTTS http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jgotts From sipan@mit.edu Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 17045 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 00:06:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 00:06:32 -0000 Received: from rwf.lms.mit.edu (sipan@rwf.lms.mit.EDU [18.60.2.85]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA12190; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:06:32 -0400 Received: (from sipan@localhost) by rwf.lms.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA32689; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:07:40 -0400 From: "Sergey I. Panov" Message-Id: <199908240007.UAA32689@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... To: gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (Tom Gilbert) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:07:40 -0400 (EDT) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org (Gnome list), gnome-devel-list@gnome.org (Gnome developer list) In-Reply-To: <19990823213820.A14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> from "Tom Gilbert" at Aug 23, 1999 09:38:20 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > * Erik Andersen (andersen@xmission.com) wrote: > > Quoting Tom Gilbert : > > > Hi folks. > > > > > > > How about: > > > > Scrable? > > Scrabbel? > > Skrabble? > > > > (i.e phonetic equivalents) > > > > -Erik > > I very much like gnome-skrabble. > > Does anyone know if I could get away with this??? Most probably not Just as a note. In Russia that game is known as "Erudite" (the guy with a very big erudition). Sergey From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 32436 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 00:21:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 00:21:32 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13533 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:21:28 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id IAA32713; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:31:45 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:31:45 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Nathan Clegg cc: GNOME Mailing List , brtemidi@engmail.uwaterloo.ca Subject: Re: BeOS GTK Theme In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If the theme does not contain any source code/libraries, and the gtkrc file with it contains the string `engine "pixmap"', then it is a pixmap theme. You will need to compile some code for the non pixmap themes (unless you grab a binary of the theme engine). James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Nathan Clegg wrote: > Is there any way to find out exactly which engine a theme is using? I > think this would be a useful addition to the theme capplet, but I'm > certainly willing to search the files as long as I know what I'm looking > for. > > On 22-Aug-99 James Henstridge wrote: > > The GTK+ themes system works by loading shared libraries that contain > > functions for performing drawing primitives (such as draw an embossed > > box). These shared libraries are called theme engines. Some examples > > are > > GtkStep (which you were using), metal, and the pixmap engine. > > > ---------------------------------- > Nathan Clegg > nathan@islanddata.com > > From quequeg@earthlink.net Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 25746 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 03:04:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 03:04:55 -0000 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net [207.217.120.62]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA31085 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:04:54 -0400 Received: from earthlink.net (ipa220.san-diego4.ca.pub-ip.psi.net [38.29.54.220]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA13994; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:04:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: quequeg@earthlink.net Message-ID: <37C20C73.D219BF50@earthlink.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:07:31 -0700 From: Earl Carey X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Tom Gilbert CC: Gnome list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> <19990823221924.G14177@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Tom Gilbert wrote: > > Ok folks, how about the following, > > o Gnobble > o Gnosiology (!) > x Gnostic > o Gnome-Gnostic > o Gnwordy > o Gnwords > o Gnome-word > o Gnome-gridword > o Scramble > o Scrummage > o GnoLetters > o GnoDict > o Gnomagram > > Are any of those any good at all? I reckon its voting time! Theres my vote! From aaronmb@ix.netcom.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 24295 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 03:28:26 -0000 Received: from dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com [206.214.98.5]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00423 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:28:20 -0400 Received: (from smap@localhost) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com (8.8.4/8.8.4) id WAA19069; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 22:27:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from mig-fl8-10.ix.netcom.com(209.111.216.202) by dfw-ix5.ix.netcom.com via smap (V1.3) id rma019050; Mon Aug 23 22:27:28 1999 Message-Id: <3.0.6.32.19990823233226.00793820@popd.ix.netcom.com> X-Sender: aaronmb@popd.ix.netcom.com X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.6 (32) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:32:26 -0400 To: Tom Gilbert , Gnome List From: "Aaron M. Brown" Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... In-Reply-To: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" the spanish version of the game was called intelect if i remember correctly. So instead of simply copying the scrabble name you should go with something else like intelect(even gnome-intelect would do ;)... just my suggestion -Aaron At 09:04 PM 8/23/99 +0000, you wrote: >Hi folks. > >I have recently started development on a scrabble game for Gnome. The >project is only a couple of weeks old, but is coming along. > >My working title has been Gnome-scrabble, but it has been (correctly) >pointed out to me that this name is a trademark, and I cannot use it. > >My imagination sucks. > >For this reason I am asking for suggestions for a new name for the >game. One that will convey the "scrabble" idea, whilst avoiding >copyright infringements :) > >I first though Gnabble, then I thought, no, that sucks. > >If anyone has any suggestions, please mail them, or submit them to the >list. I can code, but thinking up funky names is on the whole, beyond >me ;) > >Reply soon, I have some serious sed-ing to do ;) > >sed s/gnome-scrabble/newname/g , or something like that? > > >Developers >---------- >(and the reason for posting this to gnome-devel-list too) > >Is there a quick and easy way to rename an entire CVS module? > >Or do I remove the whole lot and re-import? > >Tom. >-- > .-------------------------------------------------------. > .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | > // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| > /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | > ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' > > >-- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 6167 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 03:33:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 03:33:41 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou1.iglou.com [192.107.41.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA00891 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:33:41 -0400 Received: from [204.255.238.196] (helo=lou-ts7-90.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11J7L9-0007le-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:33:39 -0400 Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:37:53 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: gnostic Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some fairly religious undertones. (actually in a 'new age' kinda religious way) which believes that man was created by a demi-God, who was blundering at best, malefic at worst. The Gnostic believes that Mankind must liberate itself from the grip of material existence and find a way to return to the land of his origin. i'd avoid that name. but that's just my two cents ----- Homer: What?! Flanders! You're the Devil? Devil Flanders: Ho-oh, it's always the one you least suspect. Treehouse of Horror IV From sipan@mit.edu Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 25069 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 03:41:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 03:41:08 -0000 Received: from rwf.lms.mit.edu (sipan@rwf.lms.mit.EDU [18.60.2.85]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA01260 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:41:07 -0400 Received: (from sipan@localhost) by rwf.lms.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01163; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:42:10 -0400 From: "Sergey I. Panov" Message-Id: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Subject: Re: gnostic To: jlwallen@iglou.com (jack wallen, jr) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:42:10 -0400 (EDT) Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org (gnome list) In-Reply-To: from "jack wallen, jr" at Aug 23, 1999 11:37:53 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some fairly > religious undertones. (actually in a 'new age' kinda religious way) which > believes that man was created by a demi-God, who was blundering at best, > malefic at worst. The Gnostic believes that Mankind must liberate itself > from the grip of material existence and find a way to return to the land > of his origin. > > i'd avoid that name. but that's just my two cents That is one of the reasons why I think name of the Russian version of that game game, Erudite, is better. The only problem is that there is no "gn" in that name. Sergey From sipan@mit.edu Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 27451 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 03:44:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 03:44:00 -0000 Received: from rwf.lms.mit.edu (sipan@rwf.lms.mit.EDU [18.60.2.85]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA01522 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:44:00 -0400 Received: (from sipan@localhost) by rwf.lms.mit.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA01193; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:45:06 -0400 From: "Sergey I. Panov" Message-Id: <199908240345.XAA01193@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Subject: Re: The game known as.... Erudite To: aaronmb@ix.netcom.com (Aaron M. Brown) Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 23:45:06 -0400 (EDT) Cc: gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (Tom Gilbert), gnome-list@gnome.org (Gnome List) In-Reply-To: <3.0.6.32.19990823233226.00793820@popd.ix.netcom.com> from "Aaron M. Brown" at Aug 23, 1999 11:32:26 PM X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.5 PL0pre8] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > the spanish version of the game was called intelect if i remember > correctly. So instead of simply copying the scrabble name you should go > with something else like intelect(even gnome-intelect would do ;)... just > my suggestion ^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > -Aaron Erudite (or gnome-erudite) I'll shut up now! Sergey From ptoscano@loudoun.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 4327 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 04:01:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 04:01:28 -0000 Received: from bubba.toscano.org (bubba.toscano.org [208.232.170.212]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA02680 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:01:26 -0400 Received: (from pete@localhost) by bubba.toscano.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02236 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:01:24 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:01:24 -0400 From: Pete Toscano To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel won't save settings! Message-ID: <19990824000124.A1251@bubba.toscano.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i X-Files: The Trash is Out There X-Uptime: 12:00am up 1:31, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii somebody, please help me with this. how do you get the panel to save its configuration? i've built all the gnome stuff from source tarballs and installed everything and everything seems to be running just fine (much better than on my work machine, fwiw), except for the fact that, whenever i restart x, all of the changes i made to the panel are gone. heck, i didn't even have a ~/.gnome/panel.d directory until i created it by hand and even then nothing happened with it. the first time=20 anything got put into ~/.gnome/panel.d was when i started up x and had wmaker start instead of gnome-session and then launched panel from the command line. all i got there was a "default" subdirectory. when i changed my .xinitrc back to exec gnome-session instead of wmaker, everything was back to the normal default panel, not the=20 customized one. i checked the normal x output (redirected stderr and stdout to ~/xlog) and didn't find anything strange. other gnome apps seem to save their settings just fine. i'm at a loss here. i have no idea what the problem is, but i'm=20 getting _very_ frustrated and i'm about to chuck gnome. will=20 anyone help me? thanks, pete --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.10 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3whkU5FhMNN6j168RAdXNAKDYXxnXtS7BUnJzCcan9MGEoI6xmgCgsqnI 3+jFqPY2KtGiymiKSXhXIpY= =eTBI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --1yeeQ81UyVL57Vl7-- From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 16362 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 06:18:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 06:18:16 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA11540; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:18:15 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA29115; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:18:46 +0200 To: Tom Gilbert Cc: Gnome list , Gnome developer list Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> From: Preben Randhol Date: 24 Aug 1999 08:18:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tom Gilbert's message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:04:53 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Tom Gilbert writes: | If anyone has any suggestions, please mail them, or submit them to the | list. I can code, but thinking up funky names is on the whole, beyond | me ;) GnoScrabble -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 24635 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 06:37:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 06:37:36 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA12408 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 02:37:35 -0400 Message-ID: <37C03160.E2B0EB61@ntb.ch> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:20:32 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 Breaks Applets (was Re: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 is released) References: <199908232220.SAA26599@old.tqstats.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit jgotts@old.tqstats.com wrote: > > >Is it necessary to rebuild all other GNOME packages for this to > >work? I built this version, installed it, and the logout dialog no longer > >worked. In addition, the pager and control center both left core files > >regularly when I logged out. I even tried reinstalling the core and > >control center packages (without recompiling), and it didn't help. > >Re-installing gnome-libs version 1.0.12 fixed all this. > > I also tried 1.0.14 and even after recompiling control-center and gnome-core, > all applets stopped working. Reinstalling 1.0.12 also fixed things here. > > Any ideas? > > John > > -- > John GOTTS http://www-personal.engin.umich.edu/~jgotts > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Exactly the same here -> reinstalling 1.0.12 fixes the problem. Hanspeter From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 14731 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 07:07:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 07:07:55 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA14294 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:07:54 -0400 Message-ID: <37C0387B.C54CF000@ntb.ch> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:50:51 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: ggv 0.50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all I have a little problem with ggv 0.50 when opening (dragging from gmc) a pdf file in ggv, the whole system slows down dramatically then no mouse movement isn't possible any more and some times X crashes. Has any body else experienced the same problems? Hanspeter From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 16892 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 07:10:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 07:10:13 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA14454 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:10:13 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id JAA29728; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:10:42 +0200 To: HpG Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: ggv 0.50 References: <37C0387B.C54CF000@ntb.ch> From: Preben Randhol Date: 24 Aug 1999 09:10:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: HpG's message of "Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:50:51 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 18 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 HpG writes: | Hi all | I have a little problem with ggv 0.50 | when opening (dragging from gmc) a pdf file | in ggv, the whole system slows down dramatically | then no mouse movement isn't possible any more and | some times X crashes. | Has any body else experienced the same problems? Does the same happen when you open a pdf file in ggv (no dragging that is)? -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From timj@gtk.org Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 10188 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 10:36:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 10:36:18 -0000 Received: from birgrave.birnet.private (root@dip-03-097.misc.net [212.20.139.97]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25130; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 06:36:17 -0400 Received: from birgrave (timj@localhost) by birgrave.birnet.private (8.9.3/8.8.5) with internal id LAA10353; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:04:48 +0200 From: Tim Janik Message-Id: <199908240904.LAA10353%timj@gtk.org> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:04:48 +0200 (CEST) To: George cc: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal In-Reply-To: <19990821170548.B2660@julia.linux.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Sat, 21 Aug 1999, George wrote: > On Sat, Aug 21, 1999 at 10:27:22PM +0100, James Green wrote: > > btw, just how do you go about making a default session? I.e. create a > > panel to your liking, select 'Save as default' and then rm > > ~/.gnome/session, load up again and find it still all there? > > some of the things in the default session are dynamically calculated so it > would make it harder to make some sort of default session loader (however > it's on my todolist) > > BTW: I just changed the default session around so you may want to check out > what's currently in CVS, and remove your .gnome/panel.d and be amazed (well > not really:) > > the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient > hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) tell me what you want deskguide to do and you'll most probably get it within a few days ;) last i checked ;) deskguide did honour the panel orientation, but when i implemented it in the first place, the panel was lacking an interface for decent size negotiation with the applets. keep in mind that deskguide and tasklist are going to be part of 1.0.50, so we can only use what the panel will provide at that point. > > George > --- ciaoTJ From foxtrot@sci.fi Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 25320 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 11:05:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 11:05:33 -0000 Received: from pefletti.saunalahti.fi (root@mail.sci.fi [195.74.0.53]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA27046 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:05:32 -0400 Received: from CDIX.odyn.saunalahti.fi (IDENT:mpr@CDIX.odyn.saunalahti.fi [195.197.112.109]) by pefletti.saunalahti.fi (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id OAA21979 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:05:26 +0300 (EET DST) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:59:54 +0300 (EEST) From: Mika Ritola X-Sender: mpr@phaedra.drysoft.fi To: gnome list Subject: Re: gnostic In-Reply-To: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Mon, 23 Aug 1999, Sergey I. Panov wrote: > > i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some fairly > > religious undertones. (actually in a 'new age' kinda religious way) which > > believes that man was created by a demi-God, who was blundering at best, > > malefic at worst. The Gnostic believes that Mankind must liberate itself > > from the grip of material existence and find a way to return to the land > > of his origin. > > > > i'd avoid that name. but that's just my two cents > > That is one of the reasons why I think name of the Russian version of > that game game, Erudite, is better. The only problem is that there is > no "gn" in that name. How about A-Gnostic, then? :) The 'A' could mean Alphabet, so it would make sense, sort of. But I guess that's still a bit religious. Mika From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 30139 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 11:15:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 11:15:15 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f129.hotmail.com [216.32.181.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id HAA27368 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:15:15 -0400 Received: (qmail 83934 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 1999 11:14:43 -0000 Message-ID: <19990824111443.83933.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 04:14:43 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: A couple of questions I have Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:14:43 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed System is RH 6.0 with latest Gnome/WindowMaker 1.) Everyonce in a while Gnome/WM would crash and when I get back to it, my desktop icons don't come up and the gnome pop-up menu (when I right-click on my desktop) won't come up; the same goes for gmc - I don't know if these are related. The only solution I've found is removing all my .gnome-* directories and start out fresh. I lose all my desktop settings, all my desktop icons, obviously. Even if I recover these directories from backup; the desktop icons won't come up, gmc doesn't start and the pop-up menu - what gives!? Is this some sort of bug? Is there an easier way to recover from this kind of thing? 2.) RH 6.0 installs Gnome with E. Can I get rid of E, since all I want to use is WindowMaker or am I stuck with this beast? Thank you for your comments. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From cgalloway@Ozymandias.netipo.de Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 11005 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 11:49:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 11:49:14 -0000 Received: from Ozymandias.netipo.de ([195.126.165.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA29197 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:49:13 -0400 Received: from netipo.de (cgalloway@localhost [127.0.0.1]) by Ozymandias.netipo.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA00837 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:49:12 +0200 Sender: cgalloway@Ozymandias.netipo.de Message-ID: <37C286B4.229A1F6B@netipo.de> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:49:08 +0200 From: Curt Galloway X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i686) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: The game formally known as.... References: <19990823210453.B10688@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hmm, while not as intellectually stimulating nor as religiously daring as gnostic, 'gnerd' would be a cute name for a Gnome based scrabble. Speaking of cute, a couple of icon ideas come to mind.... -- c. patrick galloway mailto:cgalloway@netipo.de From dj-gnome@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 29835 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 12:16:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:16:36 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA30900 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:16:35 -0400 Received: (qmail 30376 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 12:16:32 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (qmailr@195.153.205.172) by janus-145.insigma.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:16:32 -0000 Received: (qmail 5456 invoked by uid 1000); 24 Aug 1999 12:16:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990824131631.O295@insigma.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:16:31 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome list Subject: Re: gnostic Mail-Followup-To: gnome list References: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu>; from Sergey I. Panov on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 11:42:10PM -0400 On Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 11:42:10PM -0400, Sergey I. Panov wrote: > > i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some fairly > > religious undertones. [...] > > i'd avoid that name. but that's just my two cents > > That is one of the reasons why I think name of the Russian version of > that game game, Erudite, is better. The only problem is that there is > no "gn" in that name. Can I just register disapproval of the preceived 'need' to include 'gn' (or even just 'g') in the name of all GNOME apps? Not only are we going to run out of names far faster if this is followed, but it means you get some hideous sounding program names in the process. I know that there are an increasing number of GNOME apps that don't stick by this convention, and I think this is a very good thing, to be strongly encouraged. I'll also vote in favour of 'Erudite', in case anyone cares. Nice word, needs more exposure :-) J -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From lists@lcdweb.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 8975 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 12:33:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:33:25 -0000 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com (praseodumium.btinternet.com [194.73.73.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA31812 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:33:24 -0400 Received: from [62.6.13.213] (helo=host62-6-13-213.btinternet.com) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11JFkh-0006dQ-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:32:35 +0100 From: lists@lcdweb.co.uk (Lee Corbin) To: gnome list Subject: Re: gnostic Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:34:08 GMT Message-ID: <37c59138.6372028@mail.btinternet.com> References: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.452 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some = fairly >religious undertones. (actually in a 'new age' kinda religious way) = which >believes that man was created by a demi-God, who was blundering at best, >malefic at worst. The Gnostic believes that Mankind must liberate = itself >from the grip of material existence and find a way to return to the land >of his origin. Okay, this is probably a bit obvious, but ... "GNOME hackers believe that the computer industry is dominated by a demi-God (or something :), who is blundering at best, malefic at worst. GNOME hackers believe that softwarekind must liberate itself from the grip of material existence and find a way to return to the land of his origin." I'm not too keen on the idea of having an app associated with any religion (even if free software is a little "new age" in itself!). But this does have a certain aptness. Mind you, my vote is on Telsa's "gnosiology" ... I just love that word! Lee lee@lcdweb.co.uk From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 10965 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 12:34:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:34:30 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA32056 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:34:30 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA16782 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:32:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA06694 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:34:19 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C29287.91D20E29@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:39:35 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Suggestion References: <19990824111443.83933.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I propose that any message send by this list include in the subject '[GNOME]' as on other list like WM-USER for window maker. This helps to read the mail as I'm on different list and sometime wait especially for one. Thank you to transmit to the mail master. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 15527 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 12:40:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:40:31 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA32288 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:31 -0400 Received: (qmail 4596 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 1999 12:41:01 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:41:01 -0000 Received: (qmail 16715 invoked by uid 501); 24 Aug 1999 12:40:59 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:59 -0400 (EDT) From: Russ Gnelson To: gnome list Subject: Re: gnostic In-Reply-To: <19990824131631.O295@insigma.com> References: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu> <19990824131631.O295@insigma.com> X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14274.37504.239556.401003@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q Can I just register disapproval of the preceived 'need' to include 'gn' (or > even just 'g') in the name of all GNOME apps? Gno, you can't. -- -russ gnelson http://russgnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, GNY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 16355 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 12:40:47 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:40:47 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA32294 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 08:40:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id UAA05065; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:51:07 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:51:06 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Jean Raymond Chauviere cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion In-Reply-To: <37C29287.91D20E29@cetelem.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE If you want to filter gnome traffic, the most reliable method is to look for the header: Resent-From: gnome-list@gnome.org It is pretty easy to set up a procmail filter to look for this header and stick those messages in a different folder. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > I propose that any message send by this list include in >=20 > the subject '[GNOME]' as on other list like WM-USER for window maker. >=20 > This helps to read the mail as I'm on different list and sometime >=20 > wait especially for one. >=20 > Thank you to transmit to the mail master. >=20 > -- > Nur der kleine Geist h=E4lt Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. > Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le g=E9nie maitr=EEse le chaos. > (anonyme) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 27830 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 13:02:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 13:02:43 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00929 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:02:42 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id PAA01280; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:03:08 +0200 To: Jean Raymond Chauviere Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: <19990824111443.83933.qmail@hotmail.com> <37C29287.91D20E29@cetelem.fr> From: Preben Randhol Date: 24 Aug 1999 15:03:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jean Raymond Chauviere's message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:39:35 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 17 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Jean Raymond Chauviere writes: | I propose that any message send by this list include in | | the subject '[GNOME]' as on other list like WM-USER for window maker. | | This helps to read the mail as I'm on different list and sometime | | wait especially for one. Use a filter instead. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 8240 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 13:20:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 13:20:36 -0000 Received: from mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (root@trudi.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.8.159]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA02572 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:20:20 -0400 Received: from dialin64.zdv.uni-mainz.de (root@dialin364.zdv.Uni-Mainz.DE [134.93.175.64]) by mail.Uni-Mainz.DE (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA15079 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:20:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from news@localhost) by localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de (8.9.3/8.9.3/Debian/GNU) id OAA04118 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:52:57 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: not-for-mail From: Paul Seelig Newsgroups: local.gnome Subject: Re: Gnumeric 0.32 has been released Date: 24 Aug 1999 14:52:57 +0200 Organization: En Casa S.A. Lines: 19 Sender: pseelig@mail.Uni-Mainz.de Message-ID: <87hflpfihi.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> References: <199908222215.RAA23058@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> NNTP-Posting-Host: localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII X-Server-Date: 24 Aug 1999 12:52:57 GMT X-No-Archive: yes X-Newsreader: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" In-Reply-To: miguel@gnu.org's message of "22 Aug 99 22:15:11 GMT" miguel@gnu.org (Miguel de Icaza) writes: > I have just released Gnumeric 0.32, the GNOME spreadsheet. It has > been more than a month since the last release. The Gnumeric team has > been very busy working on new and exciting features. > Hmm, if i'm not completely mistaken there is currently no undo functionality in gnumeric. This is no good thing so far... Am i overlooking the obvious again or is it just not implemented at this stage of development? P., currently retyping the contents of a few dozen cells after having accidently deleted their contents *8^) -- --------- Paul Seelig ----------- African Music Archive - Institute for Ethnology and Africa Studies Johannes Gutenberg-University - Forum 6 - 55099 Mainz/Germany ------------------- http://ntama.uni-mainz.de -------------------- From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 20617 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 13:38:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 13:38:35 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04392 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:38:34 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA217 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:38:26 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.174]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA193 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:38:25 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id MAA01394 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:58:12 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:58:12 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome list Subject: Re: gnostic Message-ID: <19990824125812.A1374@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome list References: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <199908240342.XAA01163@rwf.lms.mit.edu> On Aug/23/1999, Sergey I. Panov wrote: > > i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some fairly > > religious undertones. (actually in a 'new age' kinda religious way) which > > That is one of the reasons why I think name of the Russian version of > that game game, Erudite, is better. The only problem is that there is > no "gn" in that name. Well, that's quite easy to fix: Gn + Erudite = Gnerudite :-) Doesn't sound too bad. -- Roberto Suarez Soto | Take anything you want from me mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | Anything * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | From rvaughn@mindspring.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 23108 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 13:40:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 13:40:45 -0000 Received: from smtp4.mindspring.com (smtp4.mindspring.com [207.69.200.64]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04540 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:40:45 -0400 Received: from pobox.com (user-38lckr9.dialup.mindspring.com [209.86.83.105]) by smtp4.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id JAA19256 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:40:43 -0400 (EDT) Sender: rvaughn@mindspring.com Message-ID: <37C2A0D9.4DC5E588@pobox.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:40:41 -0400 From: Roger Vaughn Organization: Seascape Consulting X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Totally frustrated by gnome-ppp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Ok, gnome-ppp is frustrating the hell out of me. Maybe someone can help. After the tips posted here the past couple of weeks, I had the thing working perfectly. Then suddenly, without reason, it starts acting up again. I haven't installed anything new or changed my config in any way. In fact yesterday, it worked during the day, then suddenly refused to work last night. What happens is the the pppd daemon dies *immediately*. I get the first status message in the window - "pppd started." - and immediately after get the message box "pppd died unexpectedly". The debug window is of course absolutely no help in this situation. kppp works flawlessly using the exact same setup. What's going on here? This is a cute plus, too. After this has happened, if I hit the close window ("x") button on gnome-ppp, it takes my entire GNOME session down - all the way back to the xdm screen. Hardly a desirable feature. BTW, this is running nearly the latest GuruLabs builds on RH 6.0. From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 23170 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 13:40:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 13:40:46 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA04543 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 09:40:45 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA18395; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:38:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA10344; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:40:33 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C2A20E.11167705@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:45:50 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Henstridge CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I don't want to filter, I only want to have a better seeing in the list of the messages I receive from different lists. Is it a problem for this list to do what is done by others ? Usually list managed by majordomo can offer this service. James Henstridge wrote: > If you want to filter gnome traffic, the most reliable method is to look > for the header: > Resent-From: gnome-list@gnome.org > > It is pretty easy to set up a procmail filter to look for this header and > stick those messages in a different folder. > > James. > > -- > Email: james@daa.com.au > WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ > > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > > I propose that any message send by this list include in > > > > the subject '[GNOME]' as on other list like WM-USER for window maker. > > > > This helps to read the mail as I'm on different list and sometime > > > > wait especially for one. > > > > Thank you to transmit to the mail master. > > > > -- > > Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. > > Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. > > (anonyme) > > > > > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 6921 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 14:46:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 14:46:40 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09126 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:46:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id WAA05611; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:56:54 +0800 (WST) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:56:54 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Jean Raymond Chauviere cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion In-Reply-To: <37C2A20E.11167705@cetelem.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some people who sort mailing list mail into folders don't like the subject line tags, as they are redundant when the mail has been sorted. For this reason, they might set up procmail filters to remove these tags. I guess the people who set up this list don't like the tags. I suppose it is always possible to set up procmail to add a [gnome] tag to mail in your incomming mail box. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > I don't want to filter, I only want to have a better seeing in the list of > the messages I receive from different lists. > Is it a problem for this list to do what is done by others ? > Usually list managed by majordomo can offer this service. > From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 11856 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 14:51:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 14:51:58 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09717 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:51:57 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA28522; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:06:38 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:06:38 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: Jean Raymond Chauviere cc: James Henstridge , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion In-Reply-To: <37C2A20E.11167705@cetelem.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > I don't want to filter, I only want to have a better seeing in the list of > the messages I receive from different lists. > Is it a problem for this list to do what is done by others ? > Usually list managed by majordomo can offer this service. I would assume that it is possible, but perhaps those who run the list don't like it. If you have procmail available to you, I know it is possible to pre-pend [Gnome] or whatever on the subject line, don't remember how off the top of my head. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net The trouble with doing something right the first time is that nobody appreciates how difficult it was. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 1537 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 15:21:21 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA12156; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:21:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA26110; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:20:17 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:20:17 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GNOME Summary August 15-22 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This is the GNOME Summary for August 15-August 22. Note that I've enhanced the web site for the summary, see http://developer.gnome.org/news/summary/ - there are also summary archives there. This is a fun way to read your GNOME Summary. ============================================================= Table of Contents ------------------------------------------------------------- 1) New Status Page 2) File Manager Status Report 3) Crazy out of control window manager influx 4) Gnotices 5) New gnome-libs and control center 6) New draft of window manager spec 7) Hacking Activity 8) New and Updated Software ============================================================== 1) New Status Page -------------------------------------------------------------- I made a status page to track our current releases and main GNOME focuses. You can find it at: http://developer.gnome.org/news/status There are some interesting links from this page to status reports from project maintainers. One of the most interesting is... ============================================================== 2) File Manager Status Report -------------------------------------------------------------- Ettore gave us an extensive file manager status update, look here: http://developer.gnome.org/news/status/fm.html ============================================================== 3) Crazy out of control window manager influx -------------------------------------------------------------- Two new GNOME window manager candidates appeared this week: Sawmill: http://www.dcs.warwick.ac.uk/~john/sw/sawmill/index.html wmG: http://ductape.net/~reeve/projects.html The other possibilities still exist: Alfredo is adding to WindowMaker for us, and Jay Painter's gnome-wm in CVS. A hacked WindowMaker looks like the fastest way to get a fully-functional and stable window manager in the near future. But some of these other projects may be nice over the longer term. We'll see how it goes; you can never have too many window managers. :-) ============================================================== 4) Gnotices -------------------------------------------------------------- We made a site using the Slashdot-like Squishdot engine to display GNOME developer news; this site may eventually be a rich source of GNOME Summary items. :-) Unfortunately we are having DNS and firewall issues, so the site will be down right this minute, but if you keep trying during the week it will be up eventually: http://news.gnome.org ============================================================== 5) New gnome-libs and control center -------------------------------------------------------------- We released gnome-libs 1.0.14; 1.0.13 appeared for a short time, but had a mistakenly-changed soname for libart_lgpl so was immediately withdrawn. Please upgrade to 1.0.14 and delete the libart_lgpl.so.2 symlink from your library directory if you happened to download 1.0.13. The new control center release has bugfixes, and a reworked ui-properties capplet. ============================================================== 6) New draft of window manager spec -------------------------------------------------------------- Marko Macek (of icewm fame) posted the latest draft of the GNOME/KDE window manager spec to the window manager spec mailing list. Read it here: http://www.gnome.org/mailing-lists/archives/wm-spec-list/1999-August/0014.shtml ============================================================== 7) Hacking Activity -------------------------------------------------------------- Almost 700 commits this week. Module Score-O-Matic: 60 gtk-- 59 gimp 57 gnome-libs 50 gnome-scrabble 49 gnome-core 49 bonobo 41 gnumeric 27 gnome-applets 20 libunicode 20 control-center 18 dia 16 xpdf 15 gtk+ 14 web-devel-2 14 mc 11 gedit 11 dryad 10 ggv 9 achtung 8 gnome-print 6 glade-- 6 esound 6 ORBit User Score-O-Matic: 65 unammx 53 kenelson 51 tgil 47 jirka 46 sopwith 31 kmaraas 25 mmeeks 22 nat 22 jberkman 21 pablo 20 tml 19 hp 17 campd 11 jpekka 11 jimb 11 jamesh 10 jrb 10 dcm gnome-libs bugfixes were pouring in this week. A new Scrabble game appeared, from Tom Gilbert. GTK+ is gearing up for a 1.2.4 release, which should appear soon. James Henstridge seems to have added circuit objects to the Dia diagram editor. George is back from Czech (I think) and checking in lots of stuff, including gnome-libs documentation. Various tweaks and enhancements were applied to the panel, applets, and control center. Federico is fixing lots of gmc bugs. Elliot checked in a gnome-java module, with a start on Java bindings (help is probably accepted on these). ============================================================== 8) New and Updated Software -------------------------------------------------------------- gnome-libs and Gnumeric also had new releases this week, but aren't in the software map. G-Typo: typing game wmG: Gtk-based window manager gtkdiff: diff frontend XChat: swiss army IRC client gproc: process list RPM Explorer: explore your files, annotated via RPM database gMessagingSystem: desktop messaging system Sodipodi: prototype vector graphics editor galway: web editor GNetTool: network monitoring Gip: tarball installation frontend GnomePM: Portfolio manager Gzilla: web browser gnome-scrabble: Scrabble clone, schedule to be renamed to avoid trademark issues. :-) libptb: Library to develop apps with user-customizable toolbars. Note to libptb maintainer: this should be merged with gnome-libs if people are going to use it; otherwise we end up with nonstandard look-and-feel. Please chat with nat@nat.org about the new Bonobo-based system GSNes9x: Nintendo emulator ggv: Postscript viewer gVidChanger: Change video resolutions Note to gVidChanger maintainer: We'd like this feature in the control center, mail jrb@redhat.com, the applet could also go in gnome-applets XSitecopy: synchronize file hierarchies Gnome-Lines: colored lines game gIPSC: IP subnet calculator GNOME-Joystick: Joystick configuration (capplet/standalone) GNOME-Model: 3D model visualization GNOME-Video: Video playback widget Pybliographer: Bibliography database frontend Spruce: Yet Another GNOME Email Client gnome-pilot: PalmPilot tools GNOME Toaster: CD burner PopApp: Biff applet WaveForge: Sound editor XWhois: whois frontend See the software map on www.gnome.org (or Freshmeat) for more information about any of these packages. =========================================================================== Until next week - Havoc From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 25358 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 16:23:21 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA17776 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:23:20 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA22174; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:21:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19451; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:23:08 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:28:24 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gandalf@pobox.com CC: James Henstridge , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thank you to every ones who says me to configure procmail but ...: Not everybody runs linux Not everybody can be root on his machine Not everybody has the mail server on his machine Not everybody can configure the mail Since 1985, I work on UNIX from quite every suppliers and seeing the reaction, I think to what happens when I call AIX support to have licence key with the licence manager on a sun. Usually there is 10 seconds silence, a 'what did you say...', It is necessary to spend 15 minutes of explanations, and after 2 or 3 tries (this means a week) to succeed to have the good licence sheet. I receive all my message in ONE folder named 'inbox' like many others... What is the problem to have twice the information 1 by the folder and 1 by the subject ? I have no one. JRC -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 2357 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 16:33:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 16:33:35 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA18651 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:33:35 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA28787; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:48:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:48:28 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: Jean Raymond Chauviere cc: James Henstridge , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion In-Reply-To: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > Thank you to every ones who says me to configure procmail but ...: > Not everybody runs linux > Not everybody can be root on his machine > Not everybody has the mail server on his machine > Not everybody can configure the mail Thats why I said "if you have procmail available". I have had systems where all of these were true, but I could still use procmail, mostly 'cause the admin was cool and set things up on the IRIX box so that users poping their mail from windows could telnet in and setup procmail. I understand however that this is not always the case. I believe that some list-software lets you enable the [LISTNAME] feature on a per subscriber basis, perhaps the list could be setup this way, so that those who wanted it would get it, but others wouldn't (maybe it is setup like this already?). -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 10592 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 16:41:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 16:41:44 -0000 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA19494; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:41:43 -0400 Received: from modem-30.name7.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.163.30] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JJdl-0003zb-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:41:41 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA03467; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:40:22 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:40:22 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome list , Gnome developer list Subject: Final name change! (was Re: gnostic) Message-ID: <19990824174022.B1190@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome list , Gnome developer list References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from jack wallen, jr on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 11:37:53PM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * jack wallen, jr (jlwallen@iglou.com) wrote: > i just want to point out to everyone that the word Gnostic has some fairly > religious undertones. (actually in a 'new age' kinda religious way) which > believes that man was created by a demi-God, who was blundering at best, > malefic at worst. The Gnostic believes that Mankind must liberate itself > from the grip of material existence and find a way to return to the land > of his origin. > > i'd avoid that name. but that's just my two cents Ok. I've had _many_ emails like this one. I didn't get the religious conotations in my Concise Oxford dictionary... I checked in a huge volume, and yes, a Gnostic (capital G) means a religious heretic. Drat. New working title - Gnerudite. (I like the Gn, the association with Gnome appeals to me). Thanks Sergey! If anyone has any problems with this, let me know soon! Could a developer rename my module? Havoc? Thanks folks. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 8055 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 17:13:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 17:13:31 -0000 Received: from mirage.esiea.fr (root@mirage.esiea.fr [194.57.201.100]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA22167 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:13:30 -0400 Received: from phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (phoenix.linux.esiea.fr [194.57.201.13]) by mirage.esiea.fr (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA20282 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:11:22 +0200 Received: from localhost (bklein@localhost) by phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA19748 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:13:29 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:13:28 +0200 (CET) From: Benjamin Klein-Fignier To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem during session closing Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm installing Linux on 66 Intel-Celeron 466Mhz 128Mo RAM Video Card Riva TNT 16Mo with Xfree 3.3.3.1 and kernel 2.2.10. The distribution I'm installing is Mandrake 6.0 with Gnome. When I close a Gnome session, a special effect fades the screen before going back to GDM. This effect is amazingly SLOW !! I made an image of the installation and put it on a Pentium 200 64Mo RAM Video Card Matrox Mystic 4Mo. The special effect is perfectly smooth !!! WHY ??? It is the same installation, same programs, same X server (XF86_SVGA) ! Does someone know why ? And how to correct this problem ??? Thanks for your help Ben. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- /\_/\ Benjamin Klein-Fignier ( o o ) aka "FENNEC" NEWSMASTER @ ESIEA \ / Ecole Superieur d'Informatique Electronique Automatique /\ /\ bklein@alpha.esiea.fr / bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr | =B0 | ICQ# 40123319 ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:41 2000 Received: (qmail 12088 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 17:20:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 17:20:53 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f81.hotmail.com [216.32.181.81]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA22675 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:20:53 -0400 Received: (qmail 65478 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 1999 17:20:22 -0000 Message-ID: <19990824172022.65477.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:20:22 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome and Enlightenment Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:20:22 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed I have Redhat 6.0 and I've upgraded to the latest Gnome/E RPMs. I'd like to have WindowMaker as my 'only' and default window manager. Will Gnome work if I remove Enlightenment and leave WindowMaker on? Thank you. _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From tez@interface.on.ca Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 17599 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 17:25:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 17:25:46 -0000 Received: from athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (root@athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca [129.97.216.94]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23133 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:45 -0400 Received: from london.interface.on.ca (london.interface.on.ca [24.112.213.14]) by athens.mfcf.uwaterloo.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA28388; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:59 -0400 Received: from interface.on.ca (tezmilan@milan.interface.on.ca [192.168.0.1]) by london.interface.on.ca (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA11749; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:25:47 -0400 Message-ID: <37C2D60D.5E9ED7BF@interface.on.ca> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:27:41 -0400 From: Terry Milnes X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (WinNT; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Benjamin Klein-Fignier , "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Problem during session closing References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Different video card though.... I don't know what the status is with the 3.3.3.1 release, this suggests a newer version may be required though to support your card. http://xfree.org/FAQ/#Riva128 >From the FAQ. Q.F12- Is a server for Riva 128, 128zx or Riva TNT based cards available? Support for all these NVIDIA chipsets is included in XFree86-3.3.4. This server was partly implemented by NVIDIA and now follows the Open Source guidelines. > I'm installing Linux on 66 Intel-Celeron 466Mhz 128Mo RAM Video Card Riva > TNT 16Mo with Xfree 3.3.3.1 and kernel 2.2.10. The distribution I'm > installing is Mandrake 6.0 with Gnome. > When I close a Gnome session, a special effect fades the screen > before going back to GDM. This effect is amazingly SLOW !! > I made an image of the installation and put it on a Pentium 200 64Mo RAM > Video Card Matrox Mystic 4Mo. The special effect is perfectly smooth !!! > WHY ??? > It is the same installation, same programs, same X server (XF86_SVGA) ! > Does someone know why ? And how to correct this problem ??? > -- "Unix is simple. It just takes a genius to understand its simplicity" From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 29016 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 17:36:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 17:36:30 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23963 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:36:30 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA26662; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:35:18 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:35:18 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Steven Michael ROBBINS cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Summary August 15-22 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Steven Michael ROBBINS wrote: > > Hm. I've been using my favourite WM (FVWM) with gnome for some time now > with no apparent problems. > > Are there problems lurking to bite me in the future? Am I missing > features? > No, the issue here is just that we want a nice default window manager that "matches" GNOME. > I know about the gnome-wm list, and I subscribed for a time, but it is way > too deep in X minutiae for me! Maybe someone can summarize WM issues for > nonspecialists? For example: what does gnome REQUIRE of a WM? What > special WM features can gnome TAKE ADVANTAGE OF? Essentially: aesthetics > aside, why should I prefer one WM over another, in the context of Gnome? > You need special GNOME support to get a root window menu from the file manager, and detect root window clicks. GNOME support also allows the pager and task list panel applets to work. That's about it, for now. The people on wm-spec-list may come up with additional stuff. Havoc From jirka@5z.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 29427 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 17:36:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 17:36:36 -0000 Received: from julia.linux.bogus (dt064n4c.san.rr.com [24.30.155.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA23958; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:36:28 -0400 Received: (from jirka@localhost) by julia.linux.bogus (8.8.7/8.8.7) id KAA00704; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:36:14 -0700 Message-ID: <19990824103614.A643@julia.linux.bogus> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:36:14 -0700 From: George To: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal Mail-Followup-To: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org References: <19990821170548.B2660@julia.linux.bogus> <199908240904.LAA10353%timj@gtk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199908240904.LAA10353%timj@gtk.org>; from Tim Janik on Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:04:48AM +0200 On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:04:48AM +0200, Tim Janik wrote: > > the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient > > hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) > > tell me what you want deskguide to do and you'll most probably get it within > a few days ;) > last i checked ;) deskguide did honour the panel orientation, but when i > implemented it in the first place, the panel was lacking an interface for > decent size negotiation with the applets. keep in mind that deskguide and > tasklist are going to be part of 1.0.50, so we can only use what the panel > will provide at that point. There are defines so that you can figure out if you can do size negotiation. Ans that thing that you were complaining about with get_size was fixed I think. #ifdef HAVE_PANEL_SIZE #endif One thing that I don't like about deskguide is that for my WM setup, I have 10 desktops, and I get 10 huge deskguide desktops taking up half a panel, as messed up as gnome-pager was I liked the way it handeled it better (small desktops stacked on each other) Try how the panel is now setup on default (when .gnome/panel.d is missing) I had to create another panel for deskguide because it would barely fit on my 1200 pixels wide screen if I put it all on the bottom panel. Although my bigger peeve is the tasklist which doesn't follow any hints as far as I know, is hard to drag around because it doesn't have a handle, etc... etc... George -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ George Lebl http://www.5z.com/jirka/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following implements RSA in perl and is illegal to export from the US: #!/bin/perl -sp0777i Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:47:37 +0200 From: Anders Carlsson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: George CC: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal References: <19990821170548.B2660@julia.linux.bogus> <199908240904.LAA10353%timj@gtk.org> <19990824103614.A643@julia.linux.bogus> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit George wrote: > > On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:04:48AM +0200, Tim Janik wrote: > > > the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient > > > hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) > > > > tell me what you want deskguide to do and you'll most probably get it within > > a few days ;) > > last i checked ;) deskguide did honour the panel orientation, but when i > > implemented it in the first place, the panel was lacking an interface for > > decent size negotiation with the applets. keep in mind that deskguide and > > tasklist are going to be part of 1.0.50, so we can only use what the panel > > will provide at that point. > > There are defines so that you can figure out if you can do size negotiation. > Ans that thing that you were complaining about with get_size was fixed I > think. > > #ifdef HAVE_PANEL_SIZE > #endif > > One thing that I don't like about deskguide is that for my WM setup, I have > 10 desktops, and I get 10 huge deskguide desktops taking up half a panel, as > messed up as gnome-pager was I liked the way it handeled it better (small > desktops stacked on each other) > > Try how the panel is now setup on default (when .gnome/panel.d is missing) > I had to create another panel for deskguide because it would barely fit > on my 1200 pixels wide screen if I put it all on the bottom panel. > > Although my bigger peeve is the tasklist which doesn't follow any hints as > far as I know, is hard to drag around because it doesn't have a handle, > etc... etc... > > George > > -- > Hi, I'm the author of the tasklist and I just want to tell everyone that I'm working on it and I'll have orient and size support in by the end of this week. //andersca anders.carlsson@tordata.se From james@proxy4.ba.best.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 20726 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 18:02:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 18:02:39 -0000 Received: from proxy4.ba.best.com (root@proxy4.ba.best.com [206.184.139.15]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA26250 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:02:35 -0400 Received: from jcinteractive.com (IDENT:james@ts2-27.cso.niu.edu [131.156.115.92]) by proxy4.ba.best.com (8.9.3/8.9.2/best.out) with ESMTP id KAA02968; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:49:52 -0700 (PDT) Sender: james@proxy4.ba.best.com Message-ID: <37C2DAE6.2DBC609F@jcinteractive.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:48:22 -0500 From: "James M. Cape" X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.11-1 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roger Vaughn CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Totally frustrated by gnome-ppp References: <37C2A0D9.4DC5E588@pobox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roger Vaughn wrote: > > Ok, gnome-ppp is frustrating the hell out of me. Maybe someone can > help. > > After the tips posted here the past couple of weeks, I had the thing > working perfectly. Then suddenly, without reason, it starts acting up > again. I haven't installed anything new or changed my config in any > way. In fact yesterday, it worked during the day, then suddenly refused > to work last night. > > What happens is the the pppd daemon dies *immediately*. I get the first > status message in the window - "pppd started." - and immediately after > get the message box "pppd died unexpectedly". The debug window is of > course absolutely no help in this situation. > > kppp works flawlessly using the exact same setup. > > What's going on here? > > This is a cute plus, too. After this has happened, if I hit the close > window ("x") button on gnome-ppp, it takes my entire GNOME session down > - all the way back to the xdm screen. Hardly a desirable feature. > > BTW, this is running nearly the latest GuruLabs builds on RH 6.0. Try tailing /var/log/messages when you do this. PPPd typically cannot run as root, and will complain about it to syslog if you try. This was causing me some problems with gnome-ppp at first. Making /usr/sbin/pppd owned by root.dip, setuid to root, and only executable by the dip group (and then adding my user to the dip group) was the solution: -rwsr-x--- root dip Jim Cape http://www.jcinteractive.com "Men occasionally stumble over the truth, but most of them pick themselves up and hurry off as if nothing had happened." -- Winston Churchill From cadenas@arrakis.es Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 22671 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 18:04:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 18:04:45 -0000 Received: from mx3.landsraad.net (mx3.landsraad.net [195.5.64.28]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA26434 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:04:44 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ib-29.arrakis.es [195.5.71.29]) by mx3.landsraad.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id UAA21975 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:03:48 +0200 (MET DST) From: Antonio de la Torre Reply-To: cadenas@arrakis.es To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: libxml.so.1 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:38:19 +0000 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.20] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082419425000.01844@localhost.localdomain> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Trying to install some files like libglade-0.2.2.i386.rpm, after downloading them from gurulabs, I've got a dependencies messages requiring me to get libxml.so.1 Where can I get that file in rpm format? Thanks in advance -- _________________________ Antonio de la Torre http://www.arrakis.es/~cadenas cadenas@arrakis.es ICQ# 19771138 From Daniel.Veillard@w3.org Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 5644 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 18:29:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 18:29:45 -0000 Received: from tux.w3.org (veillard@tux.w3.org [18.29.0.27]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA28054 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:29:35 -0400 Received: (from veillard@localhost) by tux.w3.org (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA18699; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:29:20 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:29:20 -0400 From: Daniel Veillard To: Antonio de la Torre Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: libxml.so.1 Message-ID: <19990824142920.M25453@w3.org> Reply-To: Daniel.Veillard@w3.org References: <99082419425000.01844@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <99082419425000.01844@localhost.localdomain> Organization: World Wide Web Consortium (W3C http://www.w3.org/) On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 07:38:19PM +0000, Antonio de la Torre wrote: > Trying to install some files like libglade-0.2.2.i386.rpm, after downloading > them from gurulabs, I've got a dependencies messages requiring me to get > libxml.so.1 > > Where can I get that file in rpm format? http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/libxml.so.1.html note that usually http://rpmfind.net/linux/RPM/whatever.html has something registered. I suggest you use the 1.5 snapshot version Daniel -- Daniel.Veillard@w3.org | W3C, INRIA Rhone-Alpes | Today's Bookmarks : Tel: +33 476 615 257 | 655, avenue de l'Europe | Linux, WWW, rpmfind, Fax: +33 476 615 207 | 38330 Montbonnot FRANCE | rpm2html, XML, http://www.w3.org/People/W3Cpeople.html#Veillard | badminton, and Kaffe. From darkfell@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 13297 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 18:38:04 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 18:38:04 -0000 Received: from send205.yahoomail.com (web202.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.102]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA28829 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 14:38:04 -0400 Message-ID: <19990824183709.18220.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Received: from [147.160.36.50] by web202.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:37:09 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:37:09 -0700 (PDT) From: Jason Coposky Subject: Applet Hunting To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii im looking for a/ the small clock applet that appeared on the gnome software list several months ago. it was very minimal, and went vertically/ horizontally on the panel. i think that it was named wizard, but i cant recall. i cant seem to find it on the software map anymore. anyone have/ know of this? thx. === <=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=\ | /=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=> < Jason M. 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Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 2664 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 19:12:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 19:12:21 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA30959 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:12:20 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29118; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:27:26 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:27:26 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: Low Lifeboy cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome and Enlightenment In-Reply-To: <19990824172022.65477.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Low Lifeboy wrote: > I have Redhat 6.0 and I've upgraded to the latest Gnome/E RPMs. I'd like to > have WindowMaker as my 'only' and default window manager. Will Gnome work if > I remove Enlightenment and leave WindowMaker on? don't take this as gospel, but: Gnome will run just fine wihout E, you should be able to remove it totally from your system. However some RPMS (especially those from Redhat, though that might have changed) have a dependency on E. Personally I would just do a nodeps (check first to make sure E is the only dependency you are missing) and you should be fine. -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net I only see myself, reflected in your eyes, so all that I belive I am, essentially are lies. -Stabing Westward (shame) From jobezone@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 4682 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 19:16:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 19:16:42 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA31211 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:16:39 -0400 Received: from pm-lx-5-30.net.ip.pt (HELO yahoo.com) (195.23.4.158) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 12:19:32 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:27:20 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@yahoo.com From: Eduardo Silva To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: wmG=Good window manager Just wanted to mention that a good window manager for Gnome being developped is wmG(link is at the Gnome Weekly News). Although it still lacks a few features(workspace the only one I miss), it is both very usable(I use it now instead of (previously using) Enlightenment) and bug-free. Also it's very light on memory. Give it a try. Eduardo <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From lowlifeboy@hotmail.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 15929 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 19:30:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 19:30:07 -0000 Received: from hotmail.com (law2-f121.hotmail.com [216.32.181.121]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA32138 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:30:06 -0400 Received: (qmail 77046 invoked by uid 0); 24 Aug 1999 19:29:35 -0000 Message-ID: <19990824192935.77045.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 199.227.24.231 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:29:35 PDT X-Originating-IP: [199.227.24.231] From: "Low Lifeboy" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Gnome desktop crashes and can't recover dekstop icons Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 15:29:35 EDT Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed Every time Gnome crashes on my system I get the following: 1) Desktop icons won't show up 2) Pop up menu doesn't show up (when I right-click on the desktop). So I can't do a desktop refresh or re-create icons. 3) GMC won't run So far what I do is - delete all my .gnome-* directories from my home directory and this seems to reset something and allows me to start with a 'fresh' desktop; however, I lose all my desktop settings and I endup having to start from scratch. Any ideas on this issue? Thank you _______________________________________________________________ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 30255 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 20:12:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 20:12:37 -0000 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA02511 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:12:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (sopwith@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA05857; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:12:35 -0400 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:12:35 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliot Lee X-Sender: sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com To: Low Lifeboy cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome desktop crashes and can't recover dekstop icons In-Reply-To: <19990824192935.77045.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Low Lifeboy wrote: > Every time Gnome crashes on my system I get the following: > 1) Desktop icons won't show up > 2) Pop up menu doesn't show up (when I right-click on the desktop). So I > can't do a desktop refresh or re-create icons. > 3) GMC won't run > > So far what I do is - delete all my .gnome-* directories from my home > directory and this seems to reset something and allows me to start with a > 'fresh' desktop; however, I lose all my desktop settings and I endup having > to start from scratch. > > Any ideas on this issue? We need information on how to reproduce the crash. Also, information on why gmc "won't run" would be useful - why won't it run? Does it give any additional info when run from a terminal window? -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 1567 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 21:11:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 21:11:09 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA06217 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 17:11:08 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in109.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.109]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id XAA46692; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:10:50 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:14:49 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:14:48 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: Paul Seelig cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnumeric 0.32 has been released In-Reply-To: <87hflpfihi.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 24 Aug 1999, Paul Seelig wrote: > Hmm, if i'm not completely mistaken there is currently no undo > functionality in gnumeric. This is no good thing so far... Am i > overlooking the obvious again or is it just not implemented at this > stage of development? > > P., currently retyping the contents of a few dozen cells > after having accidently deleted their contents *8^) Hmmm... there is an undo function in Gnumeric from the beginning. It's called 'Save as often you want' and is available in every application :-) ...but basically you are right, a real undo is missing. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 25921 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 22:04:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 22:04:00 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA09901 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:03:53 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA203 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:03:45 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.81.110.130]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA186 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:03:45 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id UAA01238 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:52 +0200 Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:52 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion Message-ID: <19990824200752.A1214@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> On Aug/24/1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > I receive all my message in ONE folder named 'inbox' like many others... Anyway, even if you receive mail in that folder, and even if you're not root, and all the things you said, you could run procmail. You just have to compile it and then use a script to filter your mail through it. I do this way in my faculty, with no problems. The script is explained in procmail's man page. If you can't compile procmail, or your MUA doesn't handle any kind of folders ... well, then I'll shut up :-) Just trying to help, anyway. -- Roberto Suarez Soto | Jesus lived his life in a cheap hotel mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | On the edge of Route 66 yeah * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | From timj@gtk.org Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 2933 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 22:15:23 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 22:15:23 -0000 Received: from birgrave.birnet.private (timj@dip-01-124.misc.net [212.20.134.251]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA10697; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:15:21 -0400 Received: from birgrave (timj@localhost) by birgrave.birnet.private (8.9.3/8.8.5) with internal id AAA23321; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:18:12 +0200 From: Tim Janik Message-Id: <199908242218.AAA23321%timj@gtk.org> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:18:11 +0200 (CEST) To: George cc: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal In-Reply-To: <19990824103614.A643@julia.linux.bogus> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, George wrote: > On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:04:48AM +0200, Tim Janik wrote: > > > the quicklaunch is not in the core, and doesn't properly follow size/orient > > > hints as far as I know (not that deskguide and tasklist do unfortunately) > > > > tell me what you want deskguide to do and you'll most probably get it within > > a few days ;) > > last i checked ;) deskguide did honour the panel orientation, but when i > > implemented it in the first place, the panel was lacking an interface for > > decent size negotiation with the applets. keep in mind that deskguide and > > tasklist are going to be part of 1.0.50, so we can only use what the panel > > will provide at that point. > > There are defines so that you can figure out if you can do size negotiation. > Ans that thing that you were complaining about with get_size was fixed I > think. > > #ifdef HAVE_PANEL_SIZE > #endif > > One thing that I don't like about deskguide is that for my WM setup, I have > 10 desktops, and I get 10 huge deskguide desktops taking up half a panel, as > messed up as gnome-pager was I liked the way it handeled it better (small > desktops stacked on each other) > > Try how the panel is now setup on default (when .gnome/panel.d is missing) > I had to create another panel for deskguide because it would barely fit > on my 1200 pixels wide screen if I put it all on the bottom panel. give its configuration dialog a shot, especially "show only current desktop" ;) > Although my bigger peeve is the tasklist which doesn't follow any hints as > far as I know, is hard to drag around because it doesn't have a handle, > etc... etc... > > George > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > George Lebl http://www.5z.com/jirka/ > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The following implements RSA in perl and is illegal to export from the US: > > #!/bin/perl -sp0777i $/=unpack('H*',$_);$_=`echo 16dio\U$k"SK$/SM$n\EsN0p[lN*1 > lK[d2%Sa2/d0$^Ixp"|dc`;s/\W//g;$_=pack('H*',/((..)*)$/) > > > -- > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-devel-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" > as the Subject. > > --- ciaoTJ From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 18775 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 23:10:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 23:10:32 -0000 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk (mail2.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.210]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA14966 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:10:32 -0400 Received: from modem-14.liontamer.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.147.142] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JPi0-00061W-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:10:29 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA21375 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:17:11 GMT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:17:11 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: getting rid of gmc Message-ID: <19990824231711.A20622@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Nathan Clegg on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 12:30:18PM -0700 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Nathan Clegg (nathan@islanddata.com) wrote: > I've decided I don't want gmc controlling my desktop anymore. How can I > get rid of it? Is it possible to start a file manager window without > launching the desktop controller? Thanks... > > > ---------------------------------- > Nathan Clegg > nathan@islanddata.com > Remove it from your session using settings/startup programs. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 27292 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 23:29:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 23:29:36 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16047 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:29:33 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA32065 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:28:27 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:28:26 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Quick way to match programs to packages Message-ID: <19990825002826.A30759@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i I haven't seen many replies to my long long post about making it easier to report bugs, so I'll keep this short in case I send people to sleep. I was grumbling (in part) that I found it took a long time to work out what package a particular program belonged to, which makes even the first stage of reporting a bug (putting that "package" header in) a pain. My dearly beloved type took pity on me, decided to demonstrate shell- scripting, got carried away, and the result is a script that works on systems which have the rpm and locate commands (that means Red Hat, Mandrake, and Suse (?) but unfortunately not Debian and Slack) and which lets you type, gnome-versions and get a list of all your gnome-related packages and their version numbers; revision foo and get the package that foo is part of and its version number; whatis foo and get lots of information about the package that foo is part of. You can ask about more than one program name at once, and it will do them all at once. For people who are happy with rpm, there's nothing new in there. For people who can never remember when you need to have .rpm on the end and when you don't, depending on what you're trying to make it do, it may help a lot. It's just a script, so you don't need to compile it, or anything like that. There's some instructions for using it in the comments. It's only short (3.5k) and it's at ftp.linux.org.uk/pub/linux/alan/RPM/revision.sh The address for bugs and stuff in in the comments in the script. Alan doesn't read this list, so don't send them here if you need a reply! Telsa PS I still think having the package in the "About" box where the program name is given would help :) From marcus@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 29576 invoked from network); 24 Aug 1999 23:33:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 24 Aug 1999 23:33:05 -0000 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk (mail1.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA16308 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:33:04 -0400 Received: from modem-54.silicon.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.6.182] helo=sharpe12.freeserve.co.uk) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JQ3n-0006cS-00; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:32:59 +0100 Sender: marcus@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C33ABB.1B762CD@sharpe12.freeserve.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:37:15 +0000 From: Marcus Sharpe X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Jason Coposky CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Applet Hunting References: <19990824183709.18220.rocketmail@send205.yahoomail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Jason Coposky wrote: > im looking for a/ the small > clock applet that appeared > on the gnome software list > several months ago. it was > very minimal, and went vertically/ > horizontally on the panel. > i think that it was named > wizard, but i cant recall. > i cant seem to find it on > the software map anymore. > > anyone have/ know of this? > > thx. Hey, I think you might mean merlin clock. If you do, I've got an RPM of version 0.1.0 if you want it. I'm sure there is a later version of it, but this is the best I can do :) Email if you want it sending. Marcus From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 22213 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 00:01:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 00:01:38 -0000 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net (finch-post-10.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.38]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18393; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:01:38 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11JQVU-0001VT-0A; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:01:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA01671; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:00:01 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:00:00 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: George cc: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Panel proposal In-Reply-To: <19990824103614.A643@julia.linux.bogus> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, George wrote: > One thing that I don't like about deskguide is that for my WM setup, I have > 10 desktops, and I get 10 huge deskguide desktops taking up half a panel, as > messed up as gnome-pager was I liked the way it handeled it better (small > desktops stacked on each other) > > Try how the panel is now setup on default (when .gnome/panel.d is missing) > I had to create another panel for deskguide because it would barely fit > on my 1200 pixels wide screen if I put it all on the bottom panel. I'd like the Deskguide app entries to be size-configurable like the gnome-pager was. Otherwise without any windows open I get one massive icon which doesn't look pretty. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From kervin@mindspring.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 28332 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 00:07:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 00:07:06 -0000 Received: from smtp6.mindspring.com (smtp6.mindspring.com [207.69.200.74]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA18787 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:05 -0400 Received: from fit.edu (user-37kas8o.dialup.mindspring.com [207.69.113.24]) by smtp6.mindspring.com (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA06828; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: kervin@mindspring.com Message-ID: <37C333BF.BAF85DD0@fit.edu> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:07:27 -0400 From: Kervin Reply-To: kpierre@fit.edu X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Havoc Pennington CC: Steven Michael ROBBINS , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Summary August 15-22 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, > > I know about the gnome-wm list, and I subscribed for a time, but it is way There's a gnome-wm list? Where is it? I checked the gnome mailing list directory and it's not listed. later, ____________________________________________________________ Kervin Pierre. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 3467 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 00:15:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 00:15:40 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA19397; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:15:39 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11JQj0-0000LA-0B; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:15:34 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA01702; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:14:18 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:14:18 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: George cc: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ;, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Panel proposal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > I'd like the Deskguide app entries to be size-configurable like the > gnome-pager was. Otherwise without any windows open I get one massive icon > which doesn't look pretty. Alright, I'm confused. I was talking about the Tasklist not the DeskGuide. gnome-* from cvs last night, the Deskguide disappears on launch, I guess it's segfaulting on startup. -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 11744 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 00:23:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 00:23:44 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20053 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:23:43 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11JQqm-0000eu-0B; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:23:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id BAA01732; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:22:21 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:22:21 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Telsa cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Quick way to match programs to packages In-Reply-To: <19990825002826.A30759@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Telsa wrote: > I haven't seen many replies to my long long post about making it easier > to report bugs, so I'll keep this short in case I send people to sleep. I was going to reply to it, but was a little on the busy side... > I was grumbling (in part) that I found it took a long time to work out > what package a particular program belonged to, which makes even the > first stage of reporting a bug (putting that "package" header in) a pain. Yup. Mind you, gVersion isn't bas, although it doesn't find one of my packages. > My dearly beloved type took pity on me, decided to demonstrate shell- > scripting, got carried away, and the result is a script that works on > systems which have the rpm and locate commands (that means Red Hat, > Mandrake, and Suse (?) but unfortunately not Debian and Slack) and which > lets you type, Heh, Good old Alan :) [ snip ] > PS I still think having the package in the "About" box where the program > name is given would help :) Well, I do have a better suggestion. I was thinking about the way the Windows (MS) manages to pack quite a bit into the zillions of widgets it uses, especially the enhancements with IE4/5. The Start menu is one. Anyway, I clicked our beloved foot menu, and right-clicked on an entry. Low and behold five entries appeared in a menu. Now this could be my cvs version folks, so try it yourself, but it looks promising. Anyway, why not put some more stuff in there? "Show full file path" "Show package containing this program" "Show program version" "Show help for this program" "Send bug-report for this program" etc How about it, doesn't it sound cool? -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From bmaxwell@remc11.k12.mi.us Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 16454 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 00:28:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 00:28:18 -0000 Received: from server.remc11.k12.mi.us (server.remc11.k12.mi.us [198.109.240.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20482; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:28:17 -0400 Received: from remc11.k12.mi.us (pm445-18.dialip.mich.net [207.74.1.28]) by server.remc11.k12.mi.us (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA11476; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:28:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C338B7.432E52C5@remc11.k12.mi.us> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:28:39 -0400 From: Brian Maxwell X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Gnome List (Mailing List)" , "Gnome Developer List (Mailing List)" Subject: I need some help Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm to compiling programs under Linux so I need some help on something on compiling gnome-core-1.0.9 on my Red Hat 5.2 system. The problem I have is that when I get down to compiling in the "po" directory and I get an error message from /bin/sh that the command "no" doesn't exist. If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. Brian Maxwell From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 6264 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 00:53:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 00:53:46 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA22138; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 20:53:43 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA08794; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:04:19 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:04:19 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Gnome List cc: gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: ANNOUNCE: libglade-0.4 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have just released libglade-0.4. This is mainly a bug fix release. The main changes are: - use gdk_keyval_by_name instead of libglade creating its own key lookup table. This makes libglade use even less memory. - Radio button groups are working again. - Table column spacing attribute is recognised correctly now. - Support for the GtkPacker widget added. The new release is available at: ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/libglade/ James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 26000 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 01:16:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 01:16:21 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA23580 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 21:16:17 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id CAA32431 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:15:09 +0100 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:15:08 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Quick way to match programs to packages Message-ID: <19990825021508.B32141@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990825002826.A30759@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: ; from James Green on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 01:22:21AM +0100 On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 01:22:21AM +0100 or thereabouts, James Green wrote: > > Yup. Mind you, gVersion isn't bas, although it doesn't find one of my > packages. I don't see this on freshmeat or the gnome software map. What and where is it? > Anyway, I clicked our beloved foot menu, and right-clicked on an entry. > Low and behold five entries appeared in a menu. Now this could be my cvs > version folks, so try it yourself, but it looks promising. Anyway, why not Good gods. Neat. > put some more stuff in there? > > "Show full file path" "Show package containing this program" > "Show program version" "Show help for this program" > "Send bug-report for this program" Oooooh! It's a much better place for it that I had thought of. Yes! "Show the command line for this" would be a nice addition, too, both for people who feel the urge to move from point-and-miss (er, click) to the command line, and for people who just wonder "what the heck is that program?" (as per "About myself" being userinfo and "System info" being guname or something). > How about it, doesn't it sound cool? It does indeed. Much simpler than my idea. I like this a lot. Telsa From jirka@5z.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 21885 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 02:28:42 -0000 Received: from julia.linux.bogus (dt064n4c.san.rr.com [24.30.155.76]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA27200; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:28:39 -0400 Received: (from jirka@localhost) by julia.linux.bogus (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA05932; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:28:29 -0700 Message-ID: <19990824192829.J643@julia.linux.bogus> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:28:29 -0700 From: George To: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Panel proposal Mail-Followup-To: GNOME MList , gnome-devel-list@gnome.org References: <19990824103614.A643@julia.linux.bogus> <199908242218.AAA23321%timj@gtk.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.91.1 In-Reply-To: <199908242218.AAA23321%timj@gtk.org>; from Tim Janik on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 12:18:11AM +0200 On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 12:18:11AM +0200, Tim Janik wrote: > > Try how the panel is now setup on default (when .gnome/panel.d is missing) > > I had to create another panel for deskguide because it would barely fit > > on my 1200 pixels wide screen if I put it all on the bottom panel. > > give its configuration dialog a shot, especially "show only current desktop" ;) Yes, but I want to see all desktops, (say a small version in 2x5 or 3x4 (with two missing)...) I usually use a pager to see where I have open windows. (though I haven't used a pager now for a while, that's true) George -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ George Lebl http://www.5z.com/jirka/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The following implements RSA in perl and is illegal to export from the US: #!/bin/perl -sp0777i; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:51:21 -0400 Received: (qmail 1612 invoked by uid 514); 25 Aug 1999 02:55:36 -0000 Date: 25 Aug 1999 02:55:36 -0000 Message-ID: <19990825025536.1611.qmail@ns1.filetron.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Disposition: inline Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MIME-tools 4.103 (Entity 4.115) From: The Fallen To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE:Suggestion I can't believe that we are having this big discussion on this list because a person is lazy. And, as with most lazy people, he wants everyone to change how they do things (adding the [gnome] to the subject line ourselves or having it added to the list name) rather than doing something about it on his own ("you mean I have to read what the message is about?") Can we go back to a discussion on gnome? Please? David > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Resent-gnome-list@gnome.org [mailto:Resent-gnome-list@gnome.org] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 24, 1999 5:09 PM > > To: thefallen@linuxstart.com > > Subject: Re: Suggestion > > > > > > > > On Aug/24/1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > > > > I receive all my message in ONE folder named 'inbox' like > many others... > > > > Anyway, even if you receive mail in that folder, and even > > if you're not > > root, and all the things you said, you could run procmail. > > You just have > > to compile it and then use a script to filter your mail > > through it. I do > > this way in my faculty, with no problems. The script is explained in > > procmail's man page. > > > > If you can't compile procmail, or your MUA doesn't handle > > any kind of > > folders ... well, then I'll shut up :-) Just trying to help, anyway. > > > > -- > > Roberto Suarez Soto | Jesus lived his life in a > > cheap hotel > > mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | On the edge of Route 66 yeah > > * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | > > > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > > > > > ------ Do you do Linux? :) Get your FREE @linuxstart.com email address at: http://www.linuxstart.com From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 14550 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 03:14:02 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA29164 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:13:57 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA27674 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 23:14:23 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37C370CB.12B990FD@cgocable.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:27:55 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: <19990825025536.1611.qmail@ns1.filetron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The Fallen wrote: > > I can't believe that we are having this big discussion on this > list because a person is lazy. And, as with most lazy people, he wants > everyone to change how they do things (adding the [gnome] to the subject line ourselves or having it added to the list name) rather than doing something about it on his own ("you mean I have to read what the message is about?") Can we go back to a discussion on gnome? Please? Actually, I'm in the same situation as him and I'd also prefer the [prefix]. That way I can tell at a glance if a message is for me directly, or not. And I'm not lazy. I'm just too busy writing GNOME code to set up some filtering thing. -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 26460 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 04:36:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 04:36:17 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA00762 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:36:16 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA02389; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:35:03 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 00:35:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Kervin cc: Steven Michael ROBBINS , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GNOME Summary August 15-22 In-Reply-To: <37C333BF.BAF85DD0@fit.edu> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Kervin wrote: > > There's a gnome-wm list? Where is it? I checked the gnome mailing list > directory and it's not listed. > No, only wm-spec-list Havoc From sri@aracnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 20122 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 05:16:31 -0000 Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (root@mail4.aracnet.com [205.159.88.46]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA02824; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:16:30 -0400 Received: from shell2.aracnet.com (IDENT:2191@shell2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.20]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA00120; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:16:35 -0700 Received: from localhost by shell2.aracnet.com (8.8.7) id WAA10576; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:16:34 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shell2.aracnet.com: sri owned process doing -bs Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:16:34 -0700 (PDT) From: Sri Ramkrishna To: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: help with pixmaps Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I'm trying to make a "readerboard" panel applet. I've been looking at the GNOME API and I have some questions. Looking at applets like gtcd which has does some things similar to what I want to do (ie use a xpm as a fontmap). What it looks like I need to use is gdk_draw_pixmap and gdk_draw_rectangle is what I want. However, I'm completely clueless on how exactly this works if I use GnomePixmap. There are a number of questions: 1) gdk_draw_pixmap requires a gdkwindow type as it's first parameter, unfortunately, if I use gnome_app_new, do I use this as my window parameter? How do I use a gdkwindow if al I have is "myapp = gnome_app_new(yadda, yadda);"?? 2)There seems to be no documentation on gdk_draw_pixmap in fact there seems to be no documentation on any gdk_draw_* functions. Does anybody know where this is located? 3) Is there any tips/sample code that will replace a character with it's xpm counterpart? Most of the code I've seen in the applet section are all using straight gtk/gdk. But if you try to plan straight Gnome API there doesn't seem to give you enough primitives here. We seem to have numerous functions that will convert a xpm to a pixmap, in gdk, gtk, and in gnome. Which is the right one to use for GNOME only? I've looked through allt he archives (archives seriously needs a search feature, so does developer.gnome.org) I can't seem to answer this question. Can anybody help me here? Thanks! sri --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sri Ramkrishna /|\ Unix is very user friendly, its just very picky email: sri@aracnet.com -|- on who it is friendly to. -- Unknown? phone: 503-356-1078 \|/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 6392 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 05:57:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 05:57:18 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA04880 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:57:18 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJUJ5T5T; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:55:59 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager Message-ID: <19990824.235227.599.1.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-1,3-5,7,9-14,16-20 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:55:59 EDT Eduardo Silva wrote: > Just wanted to mention that a good window manager for Gnome being developped is > wmG(link is at the Gnome Weekly News). > Although it still lacks a few > features(workspace the only one I miss), it is both very usable(I use it now > instead of (previously using) Enlightenment) and bug-free. Also it's very light > on memory. > > Give it a try. > Eduardo I'd love to try it out, but I've tried downloading it 4 times over several releases (3 from my Linux box, one today from HPUX), and every time gunzip can't find the end of the file, indicating a corrupt file. Has anyone else had this problem? Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 6610 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 05:57:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 05:57:21 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id BAA04883 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:57:21 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJUJ5T4G; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:55:59 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Sound and gnome--how exactly does it work? Message-ID: <19990824.235227.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 4,9,13-15,17-22 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 01:55:59 EDT I'm still trying to figure out why I don't have sound in Gnome. esd is up and working. When I launch the panel, no sounds play. When I go into control-center, sounds are turned on and I can play the individual sounds. When I go into other applications (like gnibbles) no sounds play. Through browsing the source I think I kind of understand how sound happens. I've verified that sound support is indeed getting compiled in, and that the sound files exist, and the soundlist files are in the right spot. But still no sound! I'm getting really frustrated with this, so if anyone has any ideas, PLEASE help! Does anyone have good documentation on how esd should be set up? The web site was pretty sparse. Basically I start it up in rc.local as '/usr/local/bin/esd &' and then do 'esdctl unlock' so I get sound when I log in as different users. By the way, I know I'm not the only one having this problem because someone finally responded to my post on redhat.general, basically saying he had the same problem and didn't know how to solve it. Any responses would be greatly appreciated. Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 13108 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 06:03:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 06:03:54 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05288 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:03:54 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJUKKZW4; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:03:44 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problems with the list server Message-ID: <19990825.000103.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 9-11 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:03:44 EDT I've got two personal e-mails accounts: one with Juno, and one with AT&T Worldnet. Both are subscribed to gnome-list. I'm having a lot of trouble with my Worldnet account. I sent several messages, both to gnome-list and gnome-list-request, and none of them went through. I'm pretty sure my Worldnet account is working properly, because I can send messages no problem to other people and to my other accounts. Does the gnome mailing list have some special restrictions that would throw out my Worldnet e-mails? Notice that I'm sending this via Juno. No problems using this account. But I hate Juno, and would love to not use it anymore. Thanks for any help, Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 16391 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 06:09:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 06:09:58 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05612 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:09:57 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16320; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:10:28 +0200 To: Jean Raymond Chauviere Cc: gandalf@pobox.com, James Henstridge , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> From: Preben Randhol Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:10:27 +0200 In-Reply-To: Jean Raymond Chauviere's message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 18:28:24 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 26 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Jean Raymond Chauviere writes: | Thank you to every ones who says me to configure procmail but ...: | Not everybody runs linux No, but if you run Windog you probably can filter it in the mail program. | Not everybody can be root on his machine Why do you need to be root? You don't need to be to get procmail working. | Not everybody has the mail server on his machine Just filter it on the server that has the mailserver. | Not everybody can configure the mail No but most people can learn if they want to. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 18728 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 06:13:49 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 06:13:49 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA05795 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:13:47 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA16333; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:14:16 +0200 To: Eduardo Silva Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager References: From: Preben Randhol Date: 25 Aug 1999 08:14:16 +0200 In-Reply-To: Eduardo Silva's message of "Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:27:20 +0100 (WEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Eduardo Silva writes: | Just wanted to mention that a good window manager for Gnome being developped is | wmG(link is at the Gnome Weekly News). | Although it still lacks a few | features(workspace the only one I miss), it is both very usable(I use it now | instead of (previously using) Enlightenment) and bug-free. Also it's very light | on memory. | | Give it a try. | Eduardo I did, but for some reason wmG eats a lot of CPU cycles when running. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From gbevin@thunderstorms.org Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 25686 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 07:32:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 07:32:39 -0000 Received: from aix.brutele.be (aix.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA09998 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:32:38 -0400 Received: from mail.brutele.be (mail.brutele.be [212.68.193.50]) by aix.brutele.be (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28184 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:31:58 +0200 Received: from [212.68.194.122] by mail.brutele.be (NTMail 4.30.0010/NT2130.00.4b98663b) with ESMTP id coqudaaa for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:33:23 +0200 Received: from thunderstorms.office (bandage [127.0.0.1]) by bandage.localdomain (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id JAA27218 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:29:20 +0200 Sender: gbevin@thunderstorms.org Message-ID: <37C39B50.9749C03@thunderstorms.office> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:29:20 +0200 From: Geert Bevin Organization: Thunderstorms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [gnome] Re: Suggestion References: <19990825025536.1611.qmail@ns1.filetron.com> <37C370CB.12B990FD@cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Same situation here, it makes looking over tenths of mailinglist messages much easier. Would be a welcomed feature. > Actually, I'm in the same situation as him and I'd also prefer the > [prefix]. That way I can tell at a glance if a message is for me > directly, or not. > > And I'm not lazy. I'm just too busy writing GNOME code to set up some > filtering thing. -- Geert Bevin - gbevin@thunderstorms.org Montenegrostraat 11 1060 Brussels BELGIUM 0477/302.599 -------------------------------------- >> Idealists have to communicate << From gbevin@thunderstorms.org Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 27825 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 07:35:20 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 07:35:20 -0000 Received: from aix.brutele.be (aix.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA10125 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:35:20 -0400 Received: from mail.brutele.be (mail.brutele.be [212.68.193.50]) by aix.brutele.be (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA28221 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:34:41 +0200 Received: from [212.68.194.122] by mail.brutele.be (NTMail 4.30.0010/NT2130.00.4b98663b) with ESMTP id moqudaaa for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:36:12 +0200 Received: from thunderstorms.office (bandage [127.0.0.1]) by bandage.localdomain (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id JAA27239 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:32:26 +0200 Sender: gbevin@thunderstorms.org Message-ID: <37C39C0A.536C7566@thunderstorms.office> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:32:26 +0200 From: Geert Bevin Organization: Thunderstorms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager References: <19990824.235227.599.1.dansherryn@juno.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I'd love to try it out, but I've tried downloading it 4 times over > several releases (3 from my Linux box, one today from HPUX), and every > time gunzip can't find the end of the file, indicating a corrupt file. > Has anyone else had this problem? > > Dan Had this problem too, but compiling it like this doesn't show any files missing. I had this also at one time when creating archives with 'tar -czv ... > ...' looks like a problem with the internal pipes, but the archives work just fine. -- Geert Bevin - gbevin@thunderstorms.org Montenegrostraat 11 1060 Brussels BELGIUM 0477/302.599 -------------------------------------- >> Idealists have to communicate << From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 29191 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 07:36:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 07:36:34 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA10277 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:36:34 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05411; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:34:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29537; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:36:22 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C39E33.EBE123B2@cetelem.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:41:39 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gandalf@pobox.com CC: James Henstridge , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit If you can with procmail propagate your message in differents folders, can you with procmail at the same time, erase [xxxxxx] from headers.... for instance, If procmail is configured with script, can you replace something like cp message $FOLDER by something like sed -n -e '/Subject/s:\[.*]]::' -e p message >$FOLDER/message in the script of propagation gandalf@pobox.com wrote: > On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > > Thank you to every ones who says me to configure procmail but ...: > > Not everybody runs linux > > Not everybody can be root on his machine > > Not everybody has the mail server on his machine > > Not everybody can configure the mail > Thats why I said "if you have procmail available". I have had systems > where all of these were true, but I could still use procmail, mostly > 'cause the admin was cool and set things up on the IRIX box so that users > poping their mail from windows could telnet in and setup procmail. > > I understand however that this is not always the case. I believe that > some list-software lets you enable the [LISTNAME] feature on a per > subscriber basis, perhaps the list could be setup this way, so that those > who wanted it would get it, but others wouldn't (maybe it is setup like > this already?). > > -chris > > _______________________________________________________ > Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf > gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 728 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 07:42:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 07:42:39 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA10564 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 03:42:38 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA05515; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29829; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:42:20 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C39F98.55716BFE@cetelem.fr> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:47:36 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Roberto Suarez Soto CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> <19990824200752.A1214@cheetah.darkland.es> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit OUAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ( enthousiastic approbation ) Where I can find the procmail sources ? > On Aug/24/1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > > > I receive all my message in ONE folder named 'inbox' like many others... > > Anyway, even if you receive mail in that folder, and even if you're not > root, and all the things you said, you could run procmail. You just have > to compile it and then use a script to filter your mail through it. I do > this way in my faculty, with no problems. The script is explained in > procmail's man page. > > If you can't compile procmail, or your MUA doesn't handle any kind of > folders ... well, then I'll shut up :-) Just trying to help, anyway. > > -- > Roberto Suarez Soto | Jesus lived his life in a cheap hotel > mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | On the edge of Route 66 yeah > * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 24409 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 11:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 11:11:40 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA20702; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:11:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id TAA15669; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:22:09 +0800 (WST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:22:09 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Sri Ramkrishna cc: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: help with pixmaps In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII The gdk_draw_* routines draw onto a GdkWindow, which is a wrapper for an X window. Almost every widget has a GdkWindow, except for a few small ones like GtkLabel, where they draw on their parent's window. A GtkDrawingArea widget is a good widget for directly drawing onto, since you will not mess around with the what the widget draws. After the widget is realised, the GTK_WIDGET(wid)->window attribute will be set to the GdkWindow for the object. You can then draw on the window. You will want to connect to the expose_event signal, as the contents of a GdkWindow must be redrawn when it is exposed. Alternatively, you could create a GdkPixmap (an offscreen buffer. It can be drawn on with the gdk_draw_* routines, but you don't need to worry about exposure details), do all you drawing on that and do a gdk_draw_pixmap() to draw the pixmap to the window on exposures. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Sri Ramkrishna wrote: > > I'm trying to make a "readerboard" panel applet. I've been looking at the > GNOME API and I have some questions. Looking at applets like gtcd which > has does some things similar to what I want to do (ie use a xpm as a > fontmap). What it looks like I need to use is gdk_draw_pixmap and > gdk_draw_rectangle is what I want. However, I'm completely clueless on > how exactly this works if I use GnomePixmap. There are a number of > questions: > > 1) gdk_draw_pixmap requires a gdkwindow type as it's first parameter, > unfortunately, if I use gnome_app_new, do I use this as my window > parameter? How do I use a gdkwindow if al I have is "myapp = > gnome_app_new(yadda, yadda);"?? > > 2)There seems to be no documentation on gdk_draw_pixmap in fact there > seems to be no documentation on any gdk_draw_* functions. Does anybody > know where this is located? > > 3) Is there any tips/sample code that will replace a character with it's > xpm counterpart? > > Most of the code I've seen in the applet section are all using straight > gtk/gdk. But if you try to plan straight Gnome API there doesn't seem to > give you enough primitives here. We seem to have numerous functions that > will convert a xpm to a pixmap, in gdk, gtk, and in gnome. Which is the > right one to use for GNOME only? > > I've looked through allt he archives (archives seriously needs a search > feature, so does developer.gnome.org) I can't seem to answer this > question. Can anybody help me here? Thanks! > > sri > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Sri Ramkrishna /|\ Unix is very user friendly, its just very picky > email: sri@aracnet.com -|- on who it is friendly to. -- Unknown? > phone: 503-356-1078 \|/ > --------------------------------------------------------------------------- > | > > > > > -- > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-devel-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" > as the Subject. > From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 15533 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 12:00:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 12:00:56 -0000 Received: from mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (mailhub5.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA23199 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:00:55 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp2-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.129]) by mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA24172; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:02:03 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-ID: <14275.56072.606432.803327@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:01:12 +0200 (CEST) To: Telsa Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Quick way to match programs to packages In-Reply-To: <19990825002826.A30759@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> References: <19990825002826.A30759@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Telsa a écrit (25.8.1999): > I haven't seen many replies to my long long post about making it easier > to report bugs, so I'll keep this short in case I send people to sleep. :-) > gnome-versions and get a list of all your gnome-related > packages and their version numbers; > revision foo and get the package that foo is part of > and its version number; > whatis foo and get lots of information about the > package that foo is part of. Neat. It's gnome-version (without s), though (the error is in the doc, too). Thanks, Jacques From zztong@laxmi.ev.net Fri May 12 00:03:42 2000 Received: (qmail 28636 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 12:49:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 12:49:30 -0000 Received: from laxmi.ev.net (zztong@[209.190.55.103]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26019 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:49:23 -0400 Received: from localhost (zztong@localhost) by laxmi.ev.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id IAA12997 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:45:47 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:45:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Bruce Tong To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion In-Reply-To: <37C370CB.12B990FD@cgocable.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > > I can't believe that we are having this big discussion on this > > list because a person is lazy. And, as with most lazy people, he wants > > everyone to change how they do things (adding the [gnome] to the subject line ourselves or having it added to the list name) rather than doing something about it on his own ("you mean I have to read what the message is about?") Can we go back to a discussion on gnome? Please? > > Actually, I'm in the same situation as him and I'd also prefer the > [prefix]. That way I can tell at a glance if a message is for me > directly, or not. I do filter mail, and I could personally care less if there was a [Gnome] in the subject line or not. If it helps somebody, why not do it? -- Bruce Tong | Got me an office; I'm there late at night. Systems Programmer | Just send me e-mail, maybe I'll write. Electronic Vision / FITNE | zztong@laxmi.ev.net | -- Joe Walsh for the 21st Century From matthewg@clear.net.nz Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 30574 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 12:50:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 12:50:36 -0000 Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (fep3-orange.clear.net.nz [203.97.32.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26064 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:50:34 -0400 Received: from laptop (d1-u14.acld.clear.net.nz [203.97.48.14]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with SMTP id AAA29241; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:50:29 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <003e01beeef8$5d429fa0$0201a8c0@trisoft.co.nz> From: "Matt Greenfield" To: Subject: gnome-pager and debian packages Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:50:08 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_003B_01BEEF5C.F19D4C40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BEEF5C.F19D4C40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable evening:) two small queries, nothing exciting.. a) gnome-pager never manages to remember my settings between sessions. =20 I've tried rm -rf .gnome and recreating the session from scratch (uhh, = tried this a *little* more than once) but no success. Is this a known bug? should = I just shut up and wait?=20 b) the debian packages seem to be trailing behind release versions just = a tad. Is this normal debian procedure? (I'm fairly new to debian, only been = using it=20 perhaps a few months) What are other gnome-lovers doing to satiate = their=20 need for the latest releases? I've played the CVS game before, but just = don't have the time at the moment. oh, and as an after thought I might throw in a c) for the fun of it :) c) are gtk themes by nature slow to redraw etc, or is it just my pentium = 200 showing it's age? or.. here's a thought.. have I stuffed them up quite = nicely,=20 and everyone else is enjoying snappy redraw free gtk apps?=20 uhh.. enough moaning from me, I'll leave it at that.. oh, but I will = mention that I jumped over to KDE in frustration, been there for the last week, due = to little flakey annoyances in gnome. But you know what? I just can't live = without my tailor made gnome desktop, I really do love it :) once a gnomer, always = a=20 gnomer:) toodles Matt ------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BEEF5C.F19D4C40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
evening :)
 
two small queries, nothing = exciting..
 
a) gnome-pager never manages to = remember my=20 settings between sessions. 
I've tried rm -rf .gnome and recreating = the session=20 from scratch (uhh, tried this
a *little* more than once) but no = success.  Is=20 this a known bug?  should I just
shut up and wait?
 
b) the debian packages seem to be = trailing behind=20 release versions just a tad.
Is this normal debian procedure? (I'm = fairly new to=20 debian, only been using it
perhaps a few months)  What are = other=20 gnome-lovers doing to satiate their
need for the latest releases?  = I've played the=20 CVS game before, but just don't
have the time at the = moment.
 
oh, and as an after thought I might = throw in a c)=20 for the fun of it :)
 
c) are gtk themes by nature slow to = redraw etc, or=20 is it just my pentium 200
showing it's age?  or.. here's a = thought..=20 have I stuffed them up quite nicely,
and everyone else is enjoying snappy = redraw free=20 gtk apps?
 
uhh.. enough moaning from me, I'll = leave it at=20 that..  oh, but I will mention that
I jumped over to KDE in frustration, = been there for=20 the last week, due to little
flakey annoyances in gnome.  But = you know=20 what?  I just can't live without my
tailor made gnome desktop, I really do = love it=20 :)  once a gnomer, always a
gnomer :)
 
toodles
Matt
 
------=_NextPart_000_003B_01BEEF5C.F19D4C40-- From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 31919 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 12:51:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 12:51:27 -0000 Received: from mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (mailhub5.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA26109 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:51:26 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp50-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.177]) by mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32938 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:52:56 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 Q); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14275.59072.812648.336777@localhost.localdomain> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:51:12 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Error message unknown to me One new error message I notice on the X/Gnome error output is subshell.c: couldn't get terminal settings: Inappropriate ioctl for device What is this ? Is this related to Gnome ? (I'm trying to sort out several problems, if all was working fine I would not report this) Jacques From olaf@rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 14988 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 13:42:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 13:42:32 -0000 Received: from rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de (root@rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de [134.169.9.55]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29921 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:42:31 -0400 Received: from tu-bs.de (ppp529.ts.rz.tu-bs.de [134.169.243.229]) by rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de (8.8.6 (PHNE_17135)/8.8.6) with ESMTP id PAA10756; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:42:10 +0200 (METDST) Sender: olaf@rzcomm4.rz.tu-bs.de Message-ID: <37C30589.222B84B0@tu-bs.de> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 22:50:17 +0200 From: Olaf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCttner?= X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.0.36 i586) X-Accept-Language: de, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Matthew Ryan Barger CC: gnome-list Subject: Re: More on Graphical Pipes References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Olaf > I just read your post to gnome-user and I agree about the importance of > graphical pipes. I was tooling around with this idea using the translater > feature embedded in the BeOS, but alas, I'm not a programmer. I have done > some pretty cool UI work though. I am no programmer either, but for this idea, I am willing to learn how to program. > Are you a programmer? Here's an idea maybe we could try combining our > ideas and releasing a GPL design spec for a system utility like this. I > think it has the potential to be a great user application and a wonderful > teaching aid. > I have some general ideas that I could mock up if you're interested. Hope > to hear back from you. wonderful, I would love to mix my ideas with yours and brew something up. In the following lines, I try to be more specific on what I thought of originally. And like you allready said, the basic idea is to great to be dropped. Send me your comments / proposals/ ideas/ whatever and we'll see what happens. ================== I was thinking about other ways on how to make the pipe / script - applet idea more clear. Experienced users could write scripts, write a small explanation of what happens in the script/ pipe and then post it on web sites, ready for download. The inexperienced user would download the script and copy it to say a certain directory. That's all there is to the installation and he is all set for work. The program starts working as soon as a file from gmc is dropped upon the application icon which is sitting on the desktop. It will scan the scripting directory, have a look at the dropped file (name, or extension) and take the appropriate script to process the file. The resulting file will be put onto the desktop, ready to be dragged into another place, or even to be dropped once again onto the pipe application. If there is only one script available for say .txt files, you won't be prompted, but simply the result would apear on the desktop. Only if there are more scripts available you would be prompted for the right script to use. Script / Pipe suggestions: * 2x .txt - files => diff - file * 3x .txt - files => 2 diff - files * .html - file => .txt - file, stripped of all html tags * .gif - file => .png - file * .pcx - file => .tif - file ? ... * .end - file => a script for shutting down the computer * .connect - file => lauch of a pppup or ppp-on script * .doc - file => .xml - file for gwp or abiword * .xls - file => .xml - file for gnumeric * .png - file => .gif - file * .rpm - file(s) => install with rpm -Uv * .rpm - file(s) => install with rpm -i * .english - file => .german - file (replacing english words for german words with a lengthy sed file (for a basic pre-translation)) * .txt - file => .txt - file, but checked for misspelled words, by ispell The work would be done by scripts, while the application just provides an icon (maybe animated?), a possibility for prompting (multiple scripts) and means to copy the resulting file to the desktop. Maybe an interface for some configuration. But basically that's it. If a user wants to say strip html - files, all he had to do would be to go to a website, copy the script (html2txt) and everything is ready to use. The power of the command line would come to the casual user as close as it possibly can ... and would remain so easily usable. ======================== In the next few days I want to take a closer look at the print applet. It prints files, which are dragged from gmc onto itself. Maybe it is a good beginning. Until then. Olaf From gbevin@thunderstorms.org Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 21160 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 13:52:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 13:52:30 -0000 Received: from aix.brutele.be (aix.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA30613 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:52:28 -0400 Received: from mail.brutele.be (mail.brutele.be [212.68.193.50]) by aix.brutele.be (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA02990 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:51:46 +0200 Received: from [212.68.194.122] by mail.brutele.be (NTMail 4.30.0010/NT2130.00.4b98663b) with ESMTP id tstudaaa for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:53:14 +0200 Received: from thunderstorms.office (bandage [127.0.0.1]) by bandage.localdomain (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id PAA29384 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:50:02 +0200 Sender: gbevin@thunderstorms.org Message-ID: <37C3F48A.70C20FD2@thunderstorms.office> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:50:02 +0200 From: Geert Bevin Organization: Thunderstorms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Subject: Re: More on Graphical Pipes References: <37C30589.222B84B0@tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I was thinking about other ways on how to make the pipe / script - > applet idea more clear. I see your proposal more as an intelligent launcher which executes actions according to the types of the files that are dropped on it. This has not much to with pipes imho. Pipe allows you to use the output of a certain action as the input of a new one, thus creating chains. I miss the 'chain' concept in your proposal. Geert. -- Geert Bevin - gbevin@thunderstorms.org Montenegrostraat 11 1060 Brussels BELGIUM 0477/302.599 -------------------------------------- >> Idealists have to communicate << From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 8058 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 14:14:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 14:14:09 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA32052 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:14:09 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJVFK4JX; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:13:06 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager Message-ID: <19990825.081035.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> References: <19990824.235227.599.1.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-17,19-21 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:13:06 EDT On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:32:26 +0200 Geert Bevin writes: > > I'd love to try it out, but I've tried downloading it 4 times over > > several releases (3 from my Linux box, one today from HPUX), and > every > > time gunzip can't find the end of the file, indicating a corrupt > file. > > Has anyone else had this problem? > > > > Dan > > Had this problem too, but compiling it like this doesn't show any > files > missing. I had this also at one time when creating archives with 'tar > -czv ... > ...' looks like a problem with the internal pipes, but the > archives work just fine. Hmmm.. I hadn't tried this. I just assumed that I had a corrupt tarball. Thanks, Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From bogadofuture@openlink.com.br Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 6373 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 14:43:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 14:43:44 -0000 Received: from ol24-245 (ol24-245.openlink.com.br [200.240.24.245]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA01653 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:43:41 -0400 Received: from openlink.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ol24-245 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05599 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:43:27 -0300 Sender: bogado@ol24-245 Message-ID: <37C4010A.C6D5A6B4@openlink.com.br> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:43:22 -0300 From: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR, pt, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Compose and keymaps Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit My xsession use to call xmodmap to setup the keyboard with custum keymap and compose files, but now that I am using xdm it is reading the wrong files. Any one knows a pointer to a doc containg a detail on how gdm/gnome-session sets up this stuff? -- "You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland, and I'll show you how deep the rabit hole goes", Morpheus. []'s Victor Bogado da Silva Lins From shomer@fmco.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 11038 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 14:49:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 14:49:54 -0000 Received: from CHARON.TORONTO.FMCO.COM (charon4.fmco.com [199.85.124.143]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA02006 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:49:53 -0400 Received: id GAA12030; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 06:50:35 -0700 Received: by gateway id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:46:03 -0400 Message-ID: <2C3132182686D211A35E00A0C9D613BD45C2B5@arthur.london.fmco.com> From: Steve Homer To: "'Bruce Tong'" , "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: RE: Suggestion Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:46:08 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Personally I'd love it if (not inconveniencing others) that you could do this, as I use MS Outlook (not my choice!) and it fails to filter ~50% of messages into the correct folder which causes all kinds of problems at work (with RAS and whathaveyou...) But if it is a seriously difficult issue for the mailing-list-maintainer then forget it. Cheers, Steve. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Tong [mailto:zztong@laxmi.ev.net] Sent: 25 August 1999 13:46 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Cc: "recipient.list.not.shown" Subject: Re: Suggestion > > I can't believe that we are having this big discussion on this > > list because a person is lazy. And, as with most lazy people, he wants > > everyone to change how they do things (adding the [gnome] to the subject line ourselves or having it added to the list name) rather than doing something about it on his own ("you mean I have to read what the message is about?") Can we go back to a discussion on gnome? Please? > > Actually, I'm in the same situation as him and I'd also prefer the > [prefix]. That way I can tell at a glance if a message is for me > directly, or not. I do filter mail, and I could personally care less if there was a [Gnome] in the subject line or not. If it helps somebody, why not do it? -- Bruce Tong | Got me an office; I'm there late at night. Systems Programmer | Just send me e-mail, maybe I'll write. Electronic Vision / FITNE | zztong@laxmi.ev.net | -- Joe Walsh for the 21st Century -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 20151 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 14:59:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 14:59:13 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA02616; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:59:11 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA31763; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:14:39 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:14:39 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: gnome-list@gnome.org, gnome-announce-list@gnome.org Subject: Announce: Gnomba 0.4.1 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Well, after another long delay, we are happy to finally release Gnomba 0.4.1. This release has some pretty big changes, though typically, it only has about 50% of what I had hoped. What we did change: There is no longer a machine only view or separate share window, now the shares are listed in the tree-view under the machine name. It is now possible to mount shares with passwords and specify the mount point, as well as browse with gmc (there are some issues, see below). All of this is accessible from the menu-bar or popup menus. Another big addition is there is now a find function, to help those of you with large lists of machines or shares. Along with these changes are numerous bug fixes, small enhancements new translations, and new icons. Also new (though not part of the program itself) is the fact that we have finally moved the webpage, we are now at gnomba.darkcorner.net What we didn't change: (and will gladly accept patches for) There are still bugs, we don't like this. We are still wrapping smbclient and smbmount, we don't like this either. We still do nothing with the printers. We still miss some machines when scanning. We still only scan and don't use WINS. The URLs: Homepage: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/ ChangeLog: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/ChangeLog41.txt Tarball: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/6.0/gnomba-0.4.1.tar.gz 6.0 RPMs: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/6.0/ 5.2 RPMs: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/5.2/ Debain: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/deb/ As noted above, there are still some issues with mounting and gmc browsing. They are: The mounting code, since it wraps smbmount, obviously only runs on systems where smbmount works, which I believe is just Linux, though I could be wrong. The smbmount code requires that smbmnt be setuid root in order for normal users to mount shares, and I have yet to figure out how to unmount these shares as a user. Also, if you get a username/password pair wrong when mounting, it leaves the mount point in a funky state which requires you to do a unmount call, even though nothing is mounted. GMC smb browsing requires that you gmc have smbfs support. I believe that the first version that supports smbfs is 4.5.37. Unfortuently, afaik no RPM comes with it turned on, this means that you will need to compile it yourself. I was thinking of building one with smbfs support compiled in, so if people want this let me know. Also if I am wrong and there is an RPM that ships with smbfs compiled in, let me know. Another issue with gmc browsing is that in order to connect to shares with a password you need to set the environmental variable USER=username%password. Note that his must be done before you run gmc, not our program. Since Gnome by default runs gmc at startup, this usually means before you run Gnome. I have been talking a bit with Wayne Roberts (ths smbfs guy) and hopefully this will change soon, neither of us have had the time thus far,though I haven't checked the cvs in a few days, so who knows. :) Since all we do is call "gmc /#smb:machinename/sharename" If you have any problem with smb browsing in gmc, it is probably not our fault. Wayne has a page up on using smbfs in gmc, if you are having any problems, you should check it out: http://members.home.com/wroberts1/smbfs.html Thanks -chris From qseep@berserker.lensflare.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 27102 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 15:04:17 -0000 Received: from berserker.lensflare.com (doubt.dimensional.com [206.124.12.193]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA03067 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:04:15 -0400 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by berserker.lensflare.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA06830; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:04:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:04:11 -0600 (MDT) From: Quantum Seep Reply-To: qseep@iname.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org cc: ijc25@cam.ac.uk, Daniel_Burrows@brown.edu Subject: Future of panel menu Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Some of you may remember a discussion in January under the title "My Little Wish List for GNOME", which concerned the design of the panel menu. At the time I had written up a web page summarizing the discussion and adding a lot of my own ideas. Then my web host went down, and although I found a new site, I have been too busy to bother with putting the page back up. I'd like anyone and everyone's feedback on the ideas put forth in my page. I am especially interested in a layering of the interface to provide access to the menu through CORBA as well as the GUI. In fact, these ideas can be applied to programming in general. I also discuss methods of inheritance which could be used to give the administrator and end user a form of joint control over what the user's menu looks like. Thanks for your time. The URL is: http://www.csoft.net/~qseep/GNOME/panel_menu.shtml /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@iname.com --- "The desire to be rewarded for one's creativity does not justify depriving the world in general of all or part of that creativity." - Richard Stallman From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 5582 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 15:21:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 15:21:18 -0000 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA04387 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:21:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (sopwith@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA22749; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:21:16 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:21:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliot Lee X-Sender: sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com To: Daniel P Hensley cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sound and gnome--how exactly does it work? In-Reply-To: <19990824.235227.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Daniel P Hensley wrote: > I'm still trying to figure out why I don't have sound in Gnome. > esd is up and working. When I launch the panel, no sounds play. When I > go into control-center, sounds are turned on and I can play the > individual sounds. When I go into other applications (like gnibbles) no > sounds play. > Through browsing the source I think I kind of understand how > sound happens. I've verified that sound support is indeed getting > compiled in, and that the sound files exist, and the soundlist files are > in the right spot. But still no sound! I'm getting really frustrated > with this, so if anyone has any ideas, PLEASE help! > Does anyone have good documentation on how esd should be set up? > The web site was pretty sparse. Basically I start it up in rc.local as > '/usr/local/bin/esd &' and then do 'esdctl unlock' so I get sound when I > log in as different users. You need to run esd on a per-user basis, because there are authentication things involved that would normally prevent esd-run-as-root from working for the normal user (not to mention the potential security hole). I'm curious as to why you can play sounds from control-center, though. The sound events in GNOME are initialized upon session startup. You are using gnome-session to start GNOME, right? -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From lfalse@paul.rutgers.edu Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 28103 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 15:57:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 15:57:38 -0000 Received: from paul.rutgers.edu (lfalse@paul.rutgers.edu [128.6.5.53]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA07007 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:37 -0400 Received: (from lfalse@localhost) by paul.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id LAA17427; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:29 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:57:29 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Langerman To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome not working because of sound. Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, I have gnome installed (using apt) on a Debian (slink), on an old pentium 75, WITHOUT a sound card. I blindly installed everything, including esound (that was maybe a mistake). When I invoke gnome-session, I get: (see below). Can someone help? Thanks, Stefan. ---------------- bash-2.01$ gnome-session /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 16bit failed Trying 44.1Khz, 8bit stereo. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 8bit failed Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit stereo. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 22.05Khz, stereo, 8bit failed Trying 44.1Khz, 16bit mono. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 44.1Khz, mono, 8bit failed Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit mono. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 22.05Khz, mono, 8bit failed Trying 11.025Khz, 8bit stereo. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 11.025Khz, stereo, 8bit failed Trying 11.025Khz, 8bit mono. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 11.025Khz, mono, 8bit failed Trying 8.192Khz, 8bit mono. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Audio device open for 8.192Khz, mono, 8bit failed Trying 8Khz, 8bit mono. /dev/dsp: No such file or directory Sound device inadequate for Esound. Fatal. GImLib ERROR: Cannot find palette file /etc/im/im_palette.pal gdk_imlib: Cannot Find Palette. A Palette is required for this mode Segmentation fault From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 32558 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 16:05:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 16:05:08 -0000 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA07482 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:05:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (sopwith@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28123; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:05:06 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:05:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliot Lee X-Sender: sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com To: Stefan Langerman cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome not working because of sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Stefan Langerman wrote: > bash-2.01$ gnome-session > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory By simply reading the error message, you may notice that there is no such device file as /dev/dsp. Most likely this would be a problem with your system installation, and not with esound. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From kmills@cleese.nas.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 14494 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 16:23:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 16:23:02 -0000 Received: from cleese.nas.com (root@cleese.nas.com [198.182.207.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08444 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:23:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (1053 bytes) by cleese.nas.com via sendmail with P\:esmtp/R:inet_hosts/T:smtp (sender: ) (ident using unix) id for <>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) (Smail-3.2.0.96 1997-Jun-2 #4 built 1999-Apr-17) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:22:58 -0700 (PDT) From: "Kevin M. Mills" To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Future of panel menu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Quantum Seep wrote: > I'd like anyone and everyone's feedback on the ideas put forth in my page. I didn't see mention of this in your document, and I apologize if this seems irrelevant... but: Are there any plans to allow creating a panel on a display other than :0.0? I run with a multi-head display and would love it if a 'Display' property existed. -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Kevin Mills kmills@europa.bellingham.wa.us kmills@nas.com From lfalse@paul.rutgers.edu Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 17517 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 16:29:15 -0000 Received: from paul.rutgers.edu (lfalse@paul.rutgers.edu [128.6.5.53]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA08767 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:29:15 -0400 Received: (from lfalse@localhost) by paul.rutgers.edu (8.8.8/8.8.8) id MAA23496; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:29:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Stefan Langerman To: Elliot Lee cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome not working because of sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Stefan Langerman wrote: > > > bash-2.01$ gnome-session > > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > > By simply reading the error message, you may notice that there is no such > device file as /dev/dsp. Most likely this would be a problem with your > system installation, and not with esound. > > -- Elliot > Who me? I just wander from room to room. Well, since I don't have a sound card, I shouldn't need a /dev/dsp right? Except for a case like this... so let me precise my question: Is there a way to tell gnome not to try to play sounds, or otherwise, is there a way to set up a /dev/dsp that does nothing (I tried linking it to /dev/null, but that doesn't do the trick) Thanks for your help. Stefan. From epg@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 27437 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 17:03:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 17:03:10 -0000 Received: from dethstar.ath.cx (root@port35.oxf.netdoor.com [208.148.218.99]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10785 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:03:08 -0400 Received: by dethstar.ath.cx via sendmail from stdin id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:53:50 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 11:53:50 -0500 From: "Eric Gillespie, Jr." To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager Message-ID: <19990825115350.B11947@dethstar> Reply-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <19990824.235227.599.1.dansherryn@juno.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary=RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS; micalg=pgp-md5; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: <19990824.235227.599.1.dansherryn@juno.com>; from Daniel P Hensley on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 01:55:59AM -0400 --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 01:55:59AM -0400, Daniel P Hensley wrote: > I'd love to try it out, but I've tried downloading it 4 times over > several releases (3 from my Linux box, one today from HPUX), and every > time gunzip can't find the end of the file, indicating a corrupt file.=20 > Has anyone else had this problem? >=20 I had the same problem, so I ran it through less and found out it was an Error 404 html page. Not terribly useful. --=20 Eric Gillespie, Jr. <*> epg@pobox.com "Man is a rope, tied between beast and overman--a rope over an abyss. A dangerous across, a dangerous on-the-way, a dangerous looking-back, a dangerous shuddering and stopping." --Friedrich Nietzsche --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v0.9.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE3xB+dPTmY0kRwMzIRAdDsAJ49E3l9ZzYjBS4ScDtruqNeh/rFnQCfWZ3V WroJL747bHt6Ax6lHGpjkXg= =sHiY -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --RASg3xLB4tUQ4RcS-- From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 28297 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 17:03:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 17:03:46 -0000 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA10829 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:03:45 -0400 Received: from modem-17.name15.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.167.17] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11JgSd-0000r8-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:03:44 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA02936 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:43:10 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:43:09 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion Message-ID: <19990825174309.B1148@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37C370CB.12B990FD@cgocable.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from Bruce Tong on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 08:45:46AM -0400 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * Bruce Tong (zztong@laxmi.ev.net) wrote: > > > I can't believe that we are having this big discussion on this > > > list because a person is lazy. And, as with most lazy people, he wants > > > everyone to change how they do things (adding the [gnome] to the subject line ourselves or having it added to the list name) rather than doing something about it on his own ("you mean I have to read what the message is about?") Can we go back to a discussion on gnome? Please? > > > > Actually, I'm in the same situation as him and I'd also prefer the > > [prefix]. That way I can tell at a glance if a message is for me > > directly, or not. > > I do filter mail, and I could personally care less if there was a [Gnome] > in the subject line or not. If it helps somebody, why not do it? Although it is an easy thing for the maintainer to set up, most users do _not_ like this feature. I am included. I use procmail to filter my mail. I subscribe to a number of lists. A couple of those lists use this feature. It is very annoying to enter a list folder, and see nothing but the list name, obscuring the Subject line. Also, on many mail clients, this feature ruins threading bu subject, and other such features. There are also problems cross-posting replies. Headers can often be screwed up, like [Gnome] Re: Your message Re: [Gnome] Your message Re: [Gnome] Re: Your message [Gnome] Re: [Gnome] Re: Your message etc. Believe me, more users detest this feature than like it. The [ListName] feature is much more popular in the windows world, where proper mail filtering is lacking. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From sri@aracnet.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 11106 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 17:35:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 17:35:45 -0000 Received: from mail4.aracnet.com (root@mail4.aracnet.com [205.159.88.46]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA13273 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:35:45 -0400 Received: from shell2.aracnet.com (IDENT:2191@shell2.aracnet.com [216.99.193.20]) by mail4.aracnet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA13325; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:35:46 -0700 Received: from localhost by shell2.aracnet.com (8.8.7) id KAA19832; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:35:45 -0700 X-Authentication-Warning: shell2.aracnet.com: sri owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Sri Ramkrishna To: Olaf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCttner?= cc: Matthew Ryan Barger , gnome-list Subject: Re: More on Graphical Pipes In-Reply-To: <37C30589.222B84B0@tu-bs.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII > wonderful, I would love to mix my ideas with yours and brew something > up. In the following lines, I try to be more specific on what I thought > of originally. And like you allready said, the basic idea is to great to > be dropped. Send me your comments / proposals/ ideas/ whatever and we'll > see what happens. As a good pointer, I would check out AmigaOS. AmigaDOS has this feature in the workbench called an "appicon" which does exactly what you are describing and more. You can drag a file into the icon and depending on the type of the file will "more", "xv" or whatever utility. So if you drag a gif in it wil launch a image viewer, if it's a file it will pipe it through more. (heck the appicon even had animation features ala NeXT) It would be good to have. With AmigaOS going Linux Kernel, if a lot of these features were to show up, I'm sure the Amiga fans would appreciate it. > It will scan the scripting directory, have a look at the dropped file > (name, or extension) and take the appropriate script to process the > file. The resulting file will be put onto the desktop, ready to be > dragged into another place, or even to be dropped once again onto the > pipe application. Although GNOME is supposed to work on all platforms. I would like to mention that the linux hacker guys are coming up with a way to figure out datatypes through a loadable module. Just something you might want to keep in mind. (even though you just want to run scripts...I say take it to as grand a vision as you can!) sri --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sri Ramkrishna /|\ Unix is very user friendly, its just very picky email: sri@aracnet.com -|- on who it is friendly to. -- Unknown? phone: 503-356-1078 \|/ --------------------------------------------------------------------------- | From colin.marquardt@gmx.de Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 21371 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 17:58:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 17:58:27 -0000 Received: from mail1.gmx.net (mail1.gmx.net [194.221.183.61]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id NAA15171 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:58:24 -0400 Received: (qmail 19498 invoked by uid 0); 25 Aug 1999 17:58:16 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ashwork.colinathome.de) (212.41.82.65) by mail1.gmx.net with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 17:58:16 -0000 Received: from colin by ashwork.colinathome.de with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11Jh3r-0004QZ-00; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:42:11 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Quick way to match programs to packages References: <19990825002826.A30759@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <19990825021508.B32141@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> In-Reply-To: Telsa's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 02:15:08 +0100" Mime-Version: 1.0 (generated by tm-edit 7.108) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Date: 25 Aug 1999 19:42:11 +0200 Message-ID: <87emgrzrik.fsf@ashwork.colinathome.de> Lines: 20 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.43/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Sender: Colin Marquardt From: Colin Marquardt * Telsa writes: > On Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 01:22:21AM +0100 or thereabouts, James Green wrote: >> >> Yup. Mind you, gVersion isn't bas, although it doesn't find one of my >> packages. In the status line, it tells you what command it runs to get the version. These commands are defined in list.h (might have changed, my version 0.2.0 is rather old). > I don't see this on freshmeat or the gnome software map. What and > where is it? I got my version from http://gqview.netpedia.net Colin -- Colin Marquardt From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 32112 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 18:55:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 18:55:08 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA18892 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:55:06 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in83.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.83]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id UAA58916; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:54:56 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:59:22 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:59:22 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: Stefan Langerman cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome not working because of sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Stefan Langerman wrote: > Hi, > I have gnome installed (using apt) on a Debian (slink), on an old pentium > 75, WITHOUT a sound card. I blindly installed everything, including esound > (that was maybe a mistake). When I invoke gnome-session, I get: (see > below). Can someone help? > > Thanks, > > Stefan. > > ---------------- > bash-2.01$ gnome-session > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 16bit failed > Trying 44.1Khz, 8bit stereo. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 44.1Khz, stereo, 8bit failed > Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit stereo. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 22.05Khz, stereo, 8bit failed > Trying 44.1Khz, 16bit mono. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 44.1Khz, mono, 8bit failed > Trying 22.05Khz, 8bit mono. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 22.05Khz, mono, 8bit failed > Trying 11.025Khz, 8bit stereo. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 11.025Khz, stereo, 8bit failed > Trying 11.025Khz, 8bit mono. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 11.025Khz, mono, 8bit failed > Trying 8.192Khz, 8bit mono. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Audio device open for 8.192Khz, mono, 8bit failed > Trying 8Khz, 8bit mono. > /dev/dsp: No such file or directory > Sound device inadequate for Esound. Fatal. This is no problem. > GImLib ERROR: Cannot find palette file /etc/im/im_palette.pal > gdk_imlib: Cannot Find Palette. A Palette is required for this mode > Segmentation fault This is your real problem. I assume you are running X at 8 bpp so imlib requires a palette file. I remember a packaging error installing the file to /etc/imlib/im_palette.pal but referring to /etc/im/im_palette.pal (or vis versa). Check it. You can edit the path to the palette file in /etc/imlib/imrc (or /etc/im/imrc). Another solution is to run X in 16 or 32 bpp. You can change the default color depth either in /etc/X11/xdm/Xservers by appending -bpp 16 to the Xserver command; Or you edit the /etc/X11/XF86Config by adding DefaultColorDepth 16 to the Section "Screen" Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From Don.Maszle@RP-RORER.COM Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 8433 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 19:04:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:04:28 -0000 Received: from interlock.rpr.rpna.com (interlock.rpr.rpna.com [198.83.184.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA19501 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:04:27 -0400 Received: from clvbh01.clv.rpr.rp (rpr1.rpr.rpna.com) by interlock.rpr.rpna.com with SMTP id PAA01154 (InterLock SMTP Gateway 4.2 for ); Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:04:26 -0400 Received: by CLVBH01.clv.rpr.rp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:00:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1019E557E1D5D2119C4400805F91138A1E3CFF@SCLEX01> From: "Maszle, Don" To: "'gnome-list@gnome.org'" Subject: How to raise app with pager task button Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 14:59:57 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) Content-Type: text/plain > I'm new to Gnome, and like it a lot. One aspect of the X window > interaction which has in general confounded me, however, is the default > behavior assigned to raising and lowering windows. My current problem > is with the Gnome pager task buttons. > > A pager button shows 1 of 3 buttons, which because I cannot see them > better, > look like a blob, a blob with a yellow burst (like the fvwm start button), > or > an orange box with a blob on it. I believe the burst to be the active > window, > the box to be a hidden window, the regular blob to be any other window. > > The problem that I often have is that if I press on a blob button, the > window > doesn't always raise, although the window becomes active as indicated by > the > blob-burst. The only way to raise the window then is to right-click and > choose show/hide which turns the blob into a box, then click, which raises > the window and uniconifies it (blob), then click in the window to activate > it > (blob-burst). > > Q1. What is the purpose of default behavior throughout X window managers > to activate a window without raising it? If the window is totally > obscurred by another, this is a fairly useless behavior and renders > the window inaccessible. > > Q2. Can anyone help me to change this behavior? There is nothing in any > of > the properties boxes addressing this issue. > > Please respond via e-mail. My paranoid firewall won't let me read > newsgroups. > > Regards, > > Don Maszle > > From nils@wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 14620 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 19:09:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:09:50 -0000 Received: from rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de (root@rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de [134.108.34.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA19942 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:09:48 -0400 Received: (from uucp@localhost) by rhlx01.fht-esslingen.de (8.9.1/8.9.1) with UUCP id VAA26775; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:04:27 +0200 Received: from localhost (nils@localhost) by wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA03675; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:56:19 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:56:19 +0200 (CEST) From: Nils Philippsen To: James Green cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Quick way to match programs to packages In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > Well, I do have a better suggestion. I was thinking about the way the > Windows (MS) manages to pack quite a bit into the zillions of widgets it > uses, especially the enhancements with IE4/5. The Start menu is one. > > Anyway, I clicked our beloved foot menu, and right-clicked on an entry. > Low and behold five entries appeared in a menu. Now this could be my cvs > version folks, so try it yourself, but it looks promising. Anyway, why not > put some more stuff in there? > > "Show full file path" > "Show package containing this program" > "Show program version" > "Show help for this program" > "Send bug-report for this program" > etc > > How about it, doesn't it sound cool? It really does sound cool, but I would put this info into the About box, too. Concerning the package problem, I'd have a --with-package-name=... option for configure, which defaults to "gnome-core 1.0.9 tarball" or similar. This could be set to "Red Hat gnome-core-1.0.9-3 RPM" or "Debian gnome-core-1.0.9-2" or whatever else with this switch (and then be shown in the About box easily and with an extension to the .desktop file format in the panel too). We needn't determine the package of a program dynamically, you know. Nils -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Nils Philippsen @college: nils@fht-esslingen.de Vogelsangstrasse 115 @home: nils@wombat.dialup.fht-esslingen.de D 70197 Stuttgart phone: +49-711-6599405 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ The use of COBOL cripples the mind; its teaching should, therefore, be regarded as a criminal offence. -- Edsger W. Dijkstra From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 26041 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 19:29:56 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:29:56 -0000 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21073 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:29:56 -0400 Received: from localhost (sopwith@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA16935; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:29:54 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:29:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliot Lee X-Sender: sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com To: Stefan Langerman cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome not working because of sound. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Stefan Langerman wrote: > Well, since I don't have a sound card, I shouldn't need a /dev/dsp right? The device files should always exist even if no device is behind them. > Except for a case like this... so let me precise my question: Is > there a way to tell gnome not to try to play sounds Yes - use the "Sound properties" part of the control center. I'm trying to fix esound so it doesn't do a bunch of repeated startup attempts if /dev/dsp can't be opened, but this will take time. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 3389 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 19:43:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:43:18 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21675; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:42:58 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id PAA15522; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:40:29 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:40:28 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: gnome-devel-list@gnome.org cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Purpose of gnome-devel-list In-Reply-To: <706e4d3a.24f541dc@aol.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, Everyone, please keep in mind that gnome-devel-list is for questions about developing applications with GNOME or development of the GNOME libraries; wishlist items, feature requests, UI discussions, etc. should go to gnome-list or gnome-gui-list and should not be posted or cross-posted to gnome-devel-list. Thanks, Havoc From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 6906 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:51:54 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22186 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:51:53 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Jj5L-000GQf-0K for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:51:52 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA08367 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:37 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37C44948.76115D93@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:36 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnumeric undo References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Martin Hawlisch wrote: > > On 24 Aug 1999, Paul Seelig wrote: > > Hmm, if i'm not completely mistaken there is currently no undo > > functionality in gnumeric. This is no good thing so far... Am i > > overlooking the obvious again or is it just not implemented at this > > stage of development? > > > > P., currently retyping the contents of a few dozen cells > > after having accidently deleted their contents *8^) > > Hmmm... there is an undo function in Gnumeric from the beginning. It's > called 'Save as often you want' and is available in every application :-) > ...but basically you are right, a real undo is missing. > The best "undo" implementation I've seen is in OS/2's EPM editor, which had a sliding undo bar - you can move it along, and progressively return to the original document. This is *much* better than Excel's slightly clunky Undo/Redo, IMHO. -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 7227 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 19:51:58 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA22194 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:51:57 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Jj5P-000NND-0B for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:51:56 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id UAA08365 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:32 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37C44942.F72D2361@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:31 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Preben Randhol wrote: > > Eduardo Silva writes: > > | Just wanted to mention that a good window manager for Gnome being developped is > | wmG(link is at the Gnome Weekly News). > | Although it still lacks a few > | features(workspace the only one I miss), it is both very usable(I use it now > | instead of (previously using) Enlightenment) and bug-free. Also it's very light > | on memory. > | > | Give it a try. > | Eduardo > > I did, but for some reason wmG eats a lot of CPU cycles when running. Latest ver seems to fix that. Using it here, looks very good. -Root mouse actions work (no X crashes like WindowMaker) -Speed is fine (on my clunky old Sparc) -Window resize is buggy -No workspace support (yet) -Config applet won't save changes :-( -Not very configurable AFAICT (docs, anyone?) -Current source tarball has errors (compiles fine, though) -The download page was a bit broke when I last looked, try http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Screen/4079/downloads/ All in all, an excellent (and welcome) addition to GNOME! -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From ricardo@pc1.micasa Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 19858 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 20:12:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 20:12:32 -0000 Received: from pc1.micasa ([195.57.132.179]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23640 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:12:27 -0400 Received: from nettaxi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc1.micasa (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA17414 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:06:17 +0200 Sender: ricardo@pc1.micasa Message-ID: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 19:06:16 +0200 From: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= Pascual Reply-To: ricardoF@nettaxi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: es, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Making gnome speak Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit I have downloaded the festival speech synthesis system (http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival.html) and I've found it very interesting. I can speak in British or American English, Spanish and Welsh. Some other languages are coming (Mexican Spanish, German and others which I don't remember). The interesting feature for gnome is that it can work as a server, synthesizing requests from any client. The example client is very small (about 5k stripped). So I have thought that it would be very easy to add support to gnome-sound to synthesize text using festival. I would be an option and it wouldn't add any new dependencies to gnome, it would just test if a server is running and communicate with it. Think in the possibilities: any gnome program would be able to speak just calling some gnome_say(gchar *text) function. Balsa (or whatever gnome mail client) could say "you have an email" with the only cost of a function call, and then start reading it aloud... So what do you think? -- Ricardo Fernández Pascual ricardoF@nettaxi.com Murcia. Espańa. From srtxg@ping.be Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 23206 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 20:15:41 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 20:15:41 -0000 Received: from bashir.belgium.eu.net (bashir.Belgium.EU.net [193.74.208.147]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23832 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:15:40 -0400 Received: from (u195-95-23-73.pop-luik1.planetinternet.be [195.95.23.73]) by bashir.belgium.eu.net with ESMTP id WAA22970 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:15:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (from srtxg@localhost) by chanae.alphanet.ch (8.9.0/8.9.0) id WAA19229 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:12:15 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:12:15 +0200 From: Pablo Saratxaga To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gtkdoc-scanobj Message-ID: <19990825221215.A19025@chanae.alphanet.ch> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5us In-Reply-To: ; from Elliot Lee on Wed, Aug 25, 1999 at 03:29:33PM -0400 Kaixo! When compiling libglade from the CVS I get this error: gtkdoc-scanobj --module=libglade \ --types=./libglade.types env: gtkdoc-scanobj: No such file or directory I have no idea where to get that gtkdoc-scanobj; someone has an URL for me? Thanks. -- Ŕ bientôt, Pablo Saratxaga http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/ PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 From rbettle@criterion-group.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 24018 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 20:16:26 -0000 Received: from mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (imail@ha1.rdc2.occa.home.com [24.2.8.66]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA23881 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:16:25 -0400 Received: from criterion-group.com ([24.5.44.161]) by mail.rdc2.occa.home.com (InterMail v4.01.01.00 201-229-111) with ESMTP id <19990825201623.PGRB7447.mail.rdc2.occa.home.com@criterion-group.com>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:16:23 -0700 Message-ID: <37C45031.2D026F88@criterion-group.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 13:21:05 -0700 From: Roy Bettle X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: ricardoF@nettaxi.com CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak References: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit This sounds an awful lot like "Dragon Naturally Speaking" for the Open Source world. I, for one, would think that this would be an excellent addition to GNOME. We have worked with many law practices in an attempt to get Dragon/Windoze to function properly and have been continually frustrated with the results. A STABLE voice-recognition option from the Open Source community would virtually guarantee market share. RAB Ricardo Fernández Pascual wrote: > I have downloaded the festival speech synthesis system > (http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival.html) and I've found it very > interesting. I can speak in British or American English, Spanish and > Welsh. Some other languages are coming (Mexican Spanish, German and > others which I don't remember). > The interesting feature for gnome is that it can work as a server, > synthesizing requests from any client. The example client is very small > (about 5k stripped). So I have thought that it would be very easy to add > support to gnome-sound to synthesize text using festival. I would be an > option and it wouldn't add any new dependencies to gnome, it would just > test if a server is running and communicate with it. > Think in the possibilities: any gnome program would be able to speak > just calling some gnome_say(gchar *text) function. Balsa (or whatever > gnome mail client) could say "you have an email" with the only cost of a > function call, and then start reading it aloud... > > So what do you think? > -- > Ricardo Fernández Pascual > ricardoF@nettaxi.com > Murcia. Espańa. > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Roy Bettle President, Criterion Group http://www.criterion-group.com rbettle@criterion-group.com (949) 452-1203 From frantzdb@admin.arhs.net Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 30575 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 20:24:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 20:24:06 -0000 Received: from admin.arhs.net (root@admin.arhs.net [205.217.203.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24415 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:24:06 -0400 Received: from localhost (frantzdb@localhost) by admin.arhs.net (8.9.1a/2000) with ESMTP id QAA22015; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:22:22 -0400 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:22:22 -0400 (EDT) From: Ben Frantzdale To: Roy Bettle cc: ricardoF@nettaxi.com, gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Making gnome speak In-Reply-To: <37C45031.2D026F88@criterion-group.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE This is not a voice recognition program, but a speach synthesis program (ie it talks) I think there is a program by the name of gvoice that uses ibm's via voice for voice recognition if you are intrested in gnome listening to you. --Ben On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Roy Bettle wrote: > This sounds an awful lot like "Dragon Naturally Speaking" for the Open > Source world. I, for one, would think that this would be an excellent > addition to GNOME. We have worked with many law practices in an attempt = to > get Dragon/Windoze to function properly and have been continually frustra= ted > with the results. >=20 > A STABLE voice-recognition option from the Open Source community would > virtually guarantee market share. >=20 > RAB >=20 >=20 > Ricardo Fern=E1ndez Pascual wrote: >=20 > > I have downloaded the festival speech synthesis system > > (http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival.html) and I've found it ver= y > > interesting. I can speak in British or American English, Spanish and > > Welsh. Some other languages are coming (Mexican Spanish, German and > > others which I don't remember). > > The interesting feature for gnome is that it can work as a server, > > synthesizing requests from any client. The example client is very small > > (about 5k stripped). So I have thought that it would be very easy to ad= d > > support to gnome-sound to synthesize text using festival. I would be an > > option and it wouldn't add any new dependencies to gnome, it would just > > test if a server is running and communicate with it. > > Think in the possibilities: any gnome program would be able to spea= k > > just calling some gnome_say(gchar *text) function. Balsa (or whatever > > gnome mail client) could say "you have an email" with the only cost of = a > > function call, and then start reading it aloud... > > > > So what do you think? > > -- > > Ricardo Fern=E1ndez Pascual > > ricardoF@nettaxi.com > > Murcia. Espa=F1a. > > > > -- > > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefa= q > > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 > Roy Bettle > President, Criterion Group > http://www.criterion-group.com > rbettle@criterion-group.com > (949) 452-1203 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 1962 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 20:31:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 20:31:30 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA24870 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:31:28 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in73.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.73]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id WAA30196; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:31:25 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:35:54 +0200 (CEST) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:35:54 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: Pablo Saratxaga cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gtkdoc-scanobj In-Reply-To: <19990825221215.A19025@chanae.alphanet.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Pablo Saratxaga wrote: > Kaixo! > > When compiling libglade from the CVS I get this error: > > gtkdoc-scanobj --module=libglade \ > --types=./libglade.types > env: gtkdoc-scanobj: No such file or directory > > I have no idea where to get that gtkdoc-scanobj; someone has an URL for me? It is the gtk+ refrence documentation tool available from the gtk+ Homepage: http://www.gtk.org/rdp/download.html ... or in the CVS module gtk-doc on the GNOME anoncvs server. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de From jobezone@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 13842 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 22:46:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 22:46:28 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA00910 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:46:28 -0400 Received: from pm-lx-11-27.net.ip.pt (HELO yahoo.com) (195.23.97.91) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 15:49:25 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) In-Reply-To: <003e01beeef8$5d429fa0$0201a8c0@trisoft.co.nz> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:45:48 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@yahoo.com From: Eduardo Silva To: Matt Greenfield Subject: RE: gnome-pager and debian packages Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org On 25-Aug-99 Matt Greenfield wrote: > evening :) > > two small queries, nothing exciting.. > > a) gnome-pager never manages to remember my settings between sessions. > I've tried rm -rf .gnome and recreating the session from scratch (uhh, tried > this > a *little* more than once) but no success. Is this a known bug? should I > just > shut up and wait? Same happens to me, and I also don't know what's the reason. > b) the debian packages seem to be trailing behind release versions just a > tad. > Is this normal debian procedure? (I'm fairly new to debian, only been using > it > perhaps a few months) What are other gnome-lovers doing to satiate their > need for the latest releases? I've played the CVS game before, but just > don't > have the time at the moment. Well, I'm using potato which probably uses a slighly more updated version than previous deb.'s, but I'm not sure. I think that what lacks is mantainers for the gnome packages. Or if they exist, a little more bit of activity would be nice. Eduardo > > oh, and as an after thought I might throw in a c) for the fun of it :) > > c) are gtk themes by nature slow to redraw etc, or is it just my pentium 200 > showing it's age? or.. here's a thought.. have I stuffed them up quite > nicely, > and everyone else is enjoying snappy redraw free gtk apps? > > uhh.. enough moaning from me, I'll leave it at that.. oh, but I will mention > that > I jumped over to KDE in frustration, been there for the last week, due to > little > flakey annoyances in gnome. But you know what? I just can't live without my > tailor made gnome desktop, I really do love it :) once a gnomer, always a > gnomer :) > > toodles > Matt > <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From jobezone@yahoo.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 15184 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 22:47:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 22:47:34 -0000 Received: from smtp.mail.yahoo.com (smtp.mail.yahoo.com [128.11.68.32]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01003 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:47:34 -0400 Received: from pm-lx-11-27.net.ip.pt (HELO yahoo.com) (195.23.97.91) by smtp.mail.yahoo.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 15:50:28 -0700 Message-ID: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on Linux X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit MIME-Version: 1.0 Resent-Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:50:03 +0100 (WEST) Resent-Message-Id: Resent-From: Eduardo Silva Resent-To: Preben Randhol Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:46:54 +0100 (WEST) Sender: jobezone@yahoo.com From: Eduardo Silva To: Preben Randhol , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: ggv 0.50 I have exactly the same problem. I set .pdf files to be opened by ggv, and when I double click a pdf file on th gmc it reacts as told. It acts normaly when opening inside ggv. Eduardo On 24-Aug-99 Preben Randhol wrote: > HpG writes: > >| Hi all >| I have a little problem with ggv 0.50 >| when opening (dragging from gmc) a pdf file >| in ggv, the whole system slows down dramatically >| then no mouse movement isn't possible any more and >| some times X crashes. >| Has any body else experienced the same problems? > > Does the same happen when you open a pdf file in ggv (no dragging that > is)? > > -- > Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think > [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." > [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. > `_) n o m e > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. <----------------------------------------------> POLI:Projecto Portuguęs de Documentaçăo do Linux http://www.poli.org _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com From tack@dok.org Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 16881 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 22:48:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 22:48:58 -0000 Received: from orion.dok.org (qmailr@ppp-187.m4-1.ssm.ican.net [206.248.78.187]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA01112 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:48:56 -0400 Received: (qmail 7929 invoked by uid 500); 25 Aug 1999 23:02:52 -0000 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:02:52 -0400 From: Jason Tackaberry To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Why is Bonobo better than KOM/OpenParts? Message-ID: <19990825190252.B7862@linux.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i I've been reading a bit about OpenParts, and a bit about Bonobo, and they both sound excellent and very promising. So now I'm challenging the Bonobo developers (who hopefully know at least the little bit I know about OpenParts) to explain how (or if?) Bonobo is better than OpenParts. Cheers, Jason. From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 19492 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 22:54:27 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01499 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:54:26 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02661; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:53:56 +0200 To: Eduardo Silva Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: ggv 0.50 References: From: Preben Randhol Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:53:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: Eduardo Silva's message of "Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:46:54 +0100 (WEST)" Message-ID: Lines: 12 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Eduardo Silva writes: | I have exactly the same problem. I set .pdf files to be opened by ggv, and when | I double click a pdf file on th gmc it reacts as told. | It acts normaly when opening inside ggv. Try the ggv 0.51 version. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 22456 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 22:57:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 22:57:11 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01735 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:57:10 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id AAA02671; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 00:57:42 +0200 To: Tom Gilbert Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion References: <37C370CB.12B990FD@cgocable.net> <19990825174309.B1148@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> From: Preben Randhol Date: 26 Aug 1999 00:57:42 +0200 In-Reply-To: Tom Gilbert's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 17:43:09 +0000" Message-ID: Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Tom Gilbert writes: | Also, on many mail clients, this feature ruins threading bu subject, | and other such features. There are also problems cross-posting | replies. Headers can often be screwed up, like Yes. | Believe me, more users detest this feature than like it. The | [ListName] feature is much more popular in the windows world, where | proper mail filtering is lacking. Not very surprising. Billy Boy has just discovered e-mail you know. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 27270 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 23:04:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 23:04:24 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02195 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:04:23 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA02712; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:04:55 +0200 To: Paul Barnfather Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: wmG=Good window manager References: <37C44942.F72D2361@clanger9.demon.co.uk> From: Preben Randhol Date: 26 Aug 1999 01:04:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: Paul Barnfather's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:51:31 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 28 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 Paul Barnfather writes: | -Root mouse actions work (no X crashes like WindowMaker) Waddayamean? My WindowMaker doesn't crash when I click on the background. Ah is this some gmc thingy? | -Speed is fine (on my clunky old Sparc) Moving windows around is actually not very smooth on this machine due to the opaque thingy. | -Window resize is buggy Very buggy. | -No workspace support (yet) Alas, but then it's only 0.14 :-) | All in all, an excellent (and welcome) addition to GNOME! Wish they make the titlebar a bit more GTKish though. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From southpark@nni.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 31417 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 23:12:35 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 23:12:35 -0000 Received: from localhost.localdomain (phila-dialup080.nni.com [216.107.9.196]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02688 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:12:33 -0400 Received: (from raptor@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.8.7/8.8.7) id TAA03214 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:10:14 GMT Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:10:13 +0000 From: Eric Windisch To: gnome-list Subject: feature idea (graphical pipes?) Message-ID: <19990825191013.A3162@picasso> Reply-To: Eric Windisch Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: x-unknown X-Mailer: Balsa 0.4.9.5 On Mon, 23 Aug 1999 15:31:36 Olaf Grüttner wrote: > > I just had an idea for a cool feature for the gnome-desktop. > > graphical pipes !!! Good idea. > while on the console it is easily possible to design a useful pipe with > find | tail | sort | uniq | grep | lpr and so on .... :-) it is not > possible to do that in a rather graphical user-friendly way. > > So here is my suggestion: have an icon sitting on the desktop. From out > of gmc you drag a file to the icon and the pipe is processed according > to the will of the user: > .doc - files from word are processed to xml > .c - files will be processed to have the #include -files automatically > included > .ps - files are send to the printer, like in the printer applet > .lyx - files will be translated into tex-files > .xls - files are automatically deleted :) > > ... and whatever the user wants. > > well the output will be put onto the desktop. The pipe will be > extension- and name-sensitive and if you drag multiple files other > actions can happen like producing diff-files on .txt files or appending > files on .tex files. > > As long as the pipe is working it could show an animation or do whatever > you like. > > how about an install or patch pipe? Drag a patch file onto the icon and > ... Good idea but wrong solution. This might work better instead: 1: drag application onto pipe icon 2: pipe application pops up 3: drag application onto "output" field this could be given a very user friendly user interface like this: where Balsa is the application you draged and droped and GMC was using the Balsa2.png _____________________________ |O_Gpipe_________________- v ^| | | | [Balsa2.png] -> [Browse] | | "Input" "TO" "Output" | | | |_________[Done][Next][Cancel]| This is the perfect interface IMHO, although unfortunatly it uses the button config that Microsoft has made famous, but it is the best implimentation from a user-friendly standpoint (a list/clist would be better from the standpoint of an advanced user but gnome's point is to make it easier right?) perhaps a capplet in gnomecc would allow you to switch it to a list view ? :) If nobody minds it being written in perl/gtk I can finish an application of this sort by the end of the week (unless I don't get my day off this week) ;P -- Eric Windisch From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 31521 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 23:12:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 23:12:40 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02703 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:12:39 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA14368 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:13:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37C489BC.B748827@cgocable.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:26:36 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak References: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Ricardo Fernández Pascual wrote: > > I have downloaded the festival speech synthesis system > (http://www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival.html) and I've found it very > interesting. I can speak in British or American English, Spanish and > Welsh. Some other languages are coming (Mexican Spanish, German and > others which I don't remember). > The interesting feature for gnome is that it can work as a server, > synthesizing requests from any client. The example client is very small > (about 5k stripped). So I have thought that it would be very easy to add > support to gnome-sound to synthesize text using festival. I would be an > option and it wouldn't add any new dependencies to gnome, it would just > test if a server is running and communicate with it. > Think in the possibilities: any gnome program would be able to speak > just calling some gnome_say(gchar *text) function. Balsa (or whatever > gnome mail client) could say "you have an email" with the only cost of a > function call, and then start reading it aloud... > > So what do you think? GNOME is years behind Windows in this area. Search for a product called Windows Bridge that allows visually impaired users to use Windows programs. I've seen it run, it's pretty slick. It speaks every button and menu. -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 2924 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 23:17:31 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 23:17:31 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA02998 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:17:30 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA17670 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37C48AE0.90DD445C@cgocable.net> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:31:28 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak References: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> <37C45031.2D026F88@criterion-group.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Roy Bettle wrote: > > This sounds an awful lot like "Dragon Naturally Speaking" for the Open > Source world. I, for one, would think that this would be an excellent > addition to GNOME. We have worked with many law practices in an attempt to > get Dragon/Windoze to function properly and have been continually frustrated > with the results. > > A STABLE voice-recognition option from the Open Source community would > virtually guarantee market share. No, this is "text to speech" (TTS) not "voice recognition" (roughly speech to text). -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 8566 invoked from network); 25 Aug 1999 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 25 Aug 1999 23:37:16 -0000 Received: from epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil (epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil [150.192.56.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA04101 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:37:15 -0400 Received: from delenn.cjo by epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA11900; Wed, 25 Aug 99 16:37:10 -0700 Received: by delenn.eng (8.7.6/16.2) id TAA01892; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:37:09 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on HP-UX (unknown) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:37:09 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Craig Orsinger Organization: EPG Ft. Lewis Field Office Sender: craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil From: Craig Orsinger To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion On 25-Aug-99 Preben Randhol wrote: > Tom Gilbert writes: > >| Also, on many mail clients, this feature ruins threading bu subject, >| and other such features. There are also problems cross-posting >| replies. Headers can often be screwed up, like > > Yes. My mail client (XFMail version 1.3) screws up threads in both this and the PostgreSQL newsgroup folders. The latter mail list uses embedded newsgroup names. I haven't noticed much difference. >| Believe me, more users detest this feature than like it. The >| [ListName] feature is much more popular in the windows world, where >| proper mail filtering is lacking. For the record, I like the embedded newsgroup names, but I can live without them. I tend to build mailboxes for particular subjects, and use filters in the mail client to place incoming messages in those folders. Having the group names in the subject makes it easier to figure out which messages I want to read. ---------------------------------- Date: 25-Aug-99 Time: 16:28:26 Craig Orsinger (email: ) Logicon RDA Bldg. 8B28 "Just another megalomaniac with ideas above his 6th & F Streets station. The Universe is full of them." Ft. Lewis, WA 98433 - The Doctor ---------------------------------- From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:43 2000 Received: (qmail 21490 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 01:41:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 01:41:14 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA10942 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:41:13 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJWNK3K4; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:34:40 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sound and gnome--how exactly does it work? Message-ID: <19990825.193102.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0-4,6-7,9-12,14,16-17,19,21,23-25,27,29-31,34-43, 55-56,60-62 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:34:40 EDT Elliot Lee wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Daniel P Hensley wrote: > > > I'm still trying to figure out why I don't have sound in Gnome. > > esd is up and working. When I launch the panel, no sounds play. When I > > go into control-center, sounds are turned on and I can play the > > individual sounds. When I go into other applications (like gnibbles) no > > sounds play. > > Through browsing the source I think I kind of understand how > > sound happens. I've verified that sound support is indeed getting > > compiled in, and that the sound files exist, and the soundlist files are > > in the right spot. But still no sound! I'm getting really frustrated > > with this, so if anyone has any ideas, PLEASE help! > > Does anyone have good documentation on how esd should be set up? > > The web site was pretty sparse. Basically I start it up in rc.local as > > '/usr/local/bin/esd &' and then do 'esdctl unlock' so I get sound when I > > log in as different users. > > You need to run esd on a per-user basis, because there are authentication > things involved that would normally prevent esd-run-as-root from working > for the normal user (not to mention the potential security hole). How exactly do I do this? I'm not quite sure, since I haven't found any good documentation on esd. I'm slowly coming up to speed on all of this, but I've got a ways to go. > I'm curious as to why you can play sounds from control-center, though. I wish I knew too (better yet, I wish the rest of Gnome could play sounds too). > The sound events in GNOME are initialized upon session startup. You are > using gnome-session to start GNOME, right? Actually, I'm using the second method discussed in the FAQ--panel & exec gnome-wm. I'm still not sure how all these are related (gnome-wm vs gnome-session vs. none of the above). But if sound only gets initialized through gnome-session, it seems like this is not the right place to do it, since in my case it means it won't get initialized. I was trying to remember why I wasn't using gnome-session, so I changed one of my accounts to use it, and then I remembered--gnome-session hangs and never logs in. I had to -- to return to xdm. At one time I was trying to get gdm to work, but when I tried to use it my system would eternally loop through some sort of screen refresh when I rebooted. If I recall correctly, the only way out of it was the reset button. But that's the subjectof another post. I'm still having problems posting from my AT&T account. Perhaps someone might have an idea why? I can't unsubscribe from there either--it's like the gnome list-server is throwing away all my e-mails. Why??? Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 21926 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 02:26:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 02:26:26 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA13229 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:26:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id KAA21635; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:37:01 +0800 (WST) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:37:01 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Pablo Saratxaga cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gtkdoc-scanobj In-Reply-To: <19990825221215.A19025@chanae.alphanet.ch> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE It should not be trying to run gtkdoc-scanobj unless you have the gtkdoc-mkdb script installed on your system. Could you post me the config.log and config.cache files from the build as private mail? This should help me find the problem. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Pablo Saratxaga wrote: > Kaixo! >=20 > When compiling libglade from the CVS I get this error: >=20 > gtkdoc-scanobj --module=3Dlibglade \ > --types=3D./libglade.types > env: gtkdoc-scanobj: No such file or directory >=20 > I have no idea where to get that gtkdoc-scanobj; someone has an URL for m= e? >=20 > Thanks. >=20 > --=20 > =C0 bient=F4t, > Pablo Saratxaga >=20 > http://www.ping.be/~pin19314/=09=09PGP Key available, key ID: 0x8F0E4975 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with=20 > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. >=20 From MStearne@eisolutions.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 17657 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 02:45:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 02:45:42 -0000 Received: from mail.webcombo.net (root@mail.webcombo.net [207.250.9.8]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14400 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:45:41 -0400 Received: from eisolutions.com (PPPa36-ResaleCamden1-3R1060.saturn.bbn.com [4.16.120.143]) by mail.webcombo.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25205; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:41:10 -0500 Message-ID: <37C4AA5D.3C5F4357@eisolutions.com> Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 22:45:49 -0400 From: Michael Stearne X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; U) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Olaf =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gr=FCttner?= CC: Matthew Ryan Barger , gnome-list Subject: Re: More on Graphical Pipes References: <37C30589.222B84B0@tu-bs.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit You should read on Mac OS 8.5's newer AppleScript features while doing the research. These include scriptable folders. The demo I saw of it made it look pretty cool. For example everything dropped into a certain folder could be run through a filter in Gimp, saved as a JPG image and put into a predetermined HTML layout. Basically it would put a graphical face to some perl(or other scripting language) scripts. Michael Olaf Grüttner wrote: > > > Olaf > > I just read your post to gnome-user and I agree about the importance of > > graphical pipes. I was tooling around with this idea using the translater > > feature embedded in the BeOS, but alas, I'm not a programmer. I have done > > some pretty cool UI work though. > > I am no programmer either, but for this idea, I am willing to learn how > to program. > > > Are you a programmer? Here's an idea maybe we could try combining our > > ideas and releasing a GPL design spec for a system utility like this. I > > think it has the potential to be a great user application and a wonderful > > teaching aid. > > > I have some general ideas that I could mock up if you're interested. Hope > > to hear back from you. > > wonderful, I would love to mix my ideas with yours and brew something > up. In the following lines, I try to be more specific on what I thought > of originally. And like you allready said, the basic idea is to great to > be dropped. Send me your comments / proposals/ ideas/ whatever and we'll > see what happens. > > ================== > > I was thinking about other ways on how to make the pipe / script - > applet idea more clear. > > Experienced users could write scripts, write a small explanation of what > happens in the script/ pipe and then post it on web sites, ready for > download. > > The inexperienced user would download the script and copy it to say a > certain directory. That's all there is to the installation and he is all > set for work. > > The program starts working as soon as a file from gmc is dropped upon > the application icon which is sitting on the desktop. > > It will scan the scripting directory, have a look at the dropped file > (name, or extension) and take the appropriate script to process the > file. The resulting file will be put onto the desktop, ready to be > dragged into another place, or even to be dropped once again onto the > pipe application. > > If there is only one script available for say .txt files, you won't be > prompted, but simply the result would apear on the desktop. Only if > there are more scripts available you would be prompted for the right > script to use. > > Script / Pipe suggestions: > > * 2x .txt - files => diff - file > * 3x .txt - files => 2 diff - files > * .html - file => .txt - file, stripped of all html tags > * .gif - file => .png - file > * .pcx - file => .tif - file ? ... > * .end - file => a script for shutting down the > computer > * .connect - file => lauch of a pppup or ppp-on script > * .doc - file => .xml - file for gwp or abiword > * .xls - file => .xml - file for gnumeric > * .png - file => .gif - file > * .rpm - file(s) => install with rpm -Uv > * .rpm - file(s) => install with rpm -i > * .english - file => .german - file (replacing english > words for german words with a lengthy sed file (for a basic > pre-translation)) > * .txt - file => .txt - file, but checked for > misspelled words, by ispell > > The work would be done by scripts, while the application just provides > an icon (maybe animated?), a possibility for prompting (multiple > scripts) and means to copy the resulting file to the desktop. Maybe an > interface for some configuration. But basically that's it. > > If a user wants to say strip html - files, all he had to do would be to > go to a website, copy the script (html2txt) and everything is ready to > use. > > The power of the command line would come to the casual user as close as > it possibly can ... and would remain so easily usable. > > ======================== > > In the next few days I want to take a closer look at the print applet. > It prints files, which are dragged from gmc onto itself. Maybe it is a > good beginning. > > Until then. > > Olaf > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 25477 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 03:28:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 03:28:01 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id XAA16253 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:27:55 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJWUUHAT; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:24:08 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sound and gnome--how exactly does it work? Message-ID: <19990825.212125.10879.0.dansherryn@juno.com> References: <19990825.193102.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 0,2-64,69-70,72,75-77 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 23:24:08 EDT On Wed, 25 Aug 1999 21:34:40 EDT Daniel P Hensley writes: >Elliot Lee wrote: > >> On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Daniel P Hensley wrote: >> >> > I'm still trying to figure out why I don't have sound in >Gnome. >> > esd is up and working. When I launch the panel, no sounds play. >When I >> > go into control-center, sounds are turned on and I can play the >> > individual sounds. When I go into other applications (like >gnibbles) no >> > sounds play. >> > Through browsing the source I think I kind of understand how >> > sound happens. I've verified that sound support is indeed getting >> > compiled in, and that the sound files exist, and the soundlist >files are >> > in the right spot. But still no sound! I'm getting really >frustrated >> > with this, so if anyone has any ideas, PLEASE help! >> > Does anyone have good documentation on how esd should be set >up? >> > The web site was pretty sparse. Basically I start it up in >rc.local as >> > '/usr/local/bin/esd &' and then do 'esdctl unlock' so I get sound >when I >> > log in as different users. >> >> You need to run esd on a per-user basis, because there are >authentication >> things involved that would normally prevent esd-run-as-root from >working >> for the normal user (not to mention the potential security hole). > >How exactly do I do this? I'm not quite sure, since I haven't found >any good documentation on esd. I'm slowly coming up to speed on all >of this, but I've got a ways to go. > >> I'm curious as to why you can play sounds from control-center, >though. > >I wish I knew too (better yet, I wish the rest of Gnome could play >sounds >too). > >> The sound events in GNOME are initialized upon session startup. You >are >> using gnome-session to start GNOME, right? > > Actually, I'm using the second method discussed in the FAQ--panel >& exec gnome-wm. I'm still not sure how all these are related >(gnome-wm vs gnome-session vs. none of the above). But if sound only >gets initialized through gnome-session, it seems like this is not the >right place to do it, since in my case it means it won't get >initialized. I was trying to remember why I wasn't using >gnome-session, so I changed one of my accounts to use it, and then I >remembered--gnome-session hangs and never logs in. I had to >-- to return to xdm. At one time I was trying >to get gdm to work, but when I tried to use it my system would >eternally loop through some sort of screen refresh when I rebooted. >If I recall correctly, the only way out of it was the reset button. >But that's the subjectof another post. Ok, I've got some more information. It turns out that gnome-session wasn't hanging, it was just taking a long time (20 seconds or so) to log in. (Why does it take so long?) When I gave it time to log in, sure enough I get sound and everything works great. But this still leaves some unanswered questions: * Why could I still hear sound using control-center? Apparently it does something different? * What if I don't want to use gnome-session management? Right now that means I get no sound. Should sound maybe get initialized elsewhere, or maybe in more than one place (like gnome-wm)? Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From miki@elledi.it Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 20640 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 06:06:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 06:06:53 -0000 Received: from ld.elledi.it (root@ld.elledi.it [193.76.102.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA21858 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:06:52 -0400 Received: from piii450m (user4.elledi.it [193.76.102.104]) by ld.elledi.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24261; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:47:05 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:47:05 +0200 From: michele mariottini Message-Id: <199908251647.SAA24261@ld.elledi.it> From miki@elledi.it Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 20701 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 06:06:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 06:06:55 -0000 Received: from ld.elledi.it (root@ld.elledi.it [193.76.102.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA21862 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:06:53 -0400 Received: from piii450m (user4.elledi.it [193.76.102.104]) by ld.elledi.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24258; 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26 Aug 1999 06:07:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 06:07:28 -0000 Received: from ld.elledi.it (root@ld.elledi.it [193.76.102.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA21876 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:07:00 -0400 Received: from piii450m (user4.elledi.it [193.76.102.104]) by ld.elledi.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24238; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:46:03 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:46:03 +0200 From: michele mariottini Message-Id: <199908251646.SAA24238@ld.elledi.it> From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 31689 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 07:09:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 07:09:46 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA24302 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:09:44 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA29349 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:07:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA29349 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:09:31 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C4E966.D167277@cetelem.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:14:46 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion (closing) References: <19990825025536.1611.qmail@ns1.filetron.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit About my suggestion to have automatically [GNOME] in the subject added by the list mail management software. I'm not a judge (and don't want to be) but here is what I have constated : 1) unproductive 2) THANK YOU TO ... 3) CONCLUSIONS 1) unproductive - who says me I'm lazy ( that's true, I prefer that the machine works than me, and there are about 30 centuries that men ....) - who says me I'm lazy and wants that other works for me (this one really didn't understand what I wanted...) - who says me that they don't have the problem, so it is not necessary to change any thing ( this ones go surely every sunday to the church..) - who says me, I have to learn send mail ( thank you, but if I have REALLY to choose, I will prefer a 200 pages of Barbara Cartlanf than 2 or 3 of sendmail.cf :-)) 2) THANK YOU TO... a) "Anthony E . Greene" who prove me I miss use netscape, giving me a netscape solution. b) Telsa who gave me an other soltion more general for UNIX with pointers for information. ================ Oh! yes Telsa, can you send me your .procmailrc, I will forward it to a lot of other users in this site that didn't use netscape. ================ 3) CONCLUSIONS I learned a lot on .. the human beings egoism.. I got 2 really good solutions and I can now sort automatically my message. I continue to believe it's necessary for people who can't apply these solution mainly those working under the famous bug named 'windows'. They surely didn't choose their system, and even it will be more interesting to integrate them than to reject them. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From rebehn@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 6968 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 07:22:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 07:22:44 -0000 Received: from paris.comm.uni-bremen.de (paris.comm.uni-bremen.de [134.102.176.26]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id DAA24773 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:22:43 -0400 Received: from reno ([134.102.176.57] helo=comm.uni-bremen.de ident=rebehn) by paris.comm.uni-bremen.de with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Jtta-0001E5-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:24:27 +0200 Sender: rebehn@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C4EBC8.F2F50BD8@comm.uni-bremen.de> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:24:56 +0200 From: Heinrich Rebehn Organization: University of Bremen X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Announce: Gnomba 0.4.1 References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit gandalf@pobox.com wrote: > > Well, after another long delay, we are happy to finally release Gnomba > 0.4.1. [snip] > Debain: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/deb/ ^^ Yields: Forbidden You don't have permission to access /deb/ on this server. Regards Heinrich Rebehn "Have disk - will travel" University of Bremen Physics / Electrical and Electronics Engineering - Department of Telecommunications - E-mail: mailto:rebehn@comm.uni-bremen.de Phone: +49/421/218-4664 Fax: -3341 From docjava@ricochet.net Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 15618 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 08:42:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 08:42:27 -0000 Received: from mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net (mjames@mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net [206.253.202.41]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA28959 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:42:25 -0400 Received: (from mjames@localhost) by mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA01291; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:46:44 -0700 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:46:44 -0700 Message-Id: <199908260846.BAA01291@mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net> X-Authentication-Warning: mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net: mjames set sender to docjava@ricochet.net using -f From: "Michael D. James" To: gnome-list@gnome.org In-reply-to: (message from Sri Ramkrishna on Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:35:45 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: drag and drop wishlist References: It would be nice if you could make a pathname appear in a shell by dragging it's associated file from the GUI file manager thing. I could type any command I want, such as: tail -f or grep -i aksejf then drag in the file I want to append to the command line. From gbevin@thunderstorms.org Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 21616 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 08:54:30 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 08:54:30 -0000 Received: from aix.brutele.be (aix.brutele.be [212.68.193.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id EAA29660 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 04:54:28 -0400 Received: from mail.brutele.be (mail.brutele.be [212.68.193.50]) by aix.brutele.be (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA17990 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:53:43 +0200 Received: from [212.68.194.122] by mail.brutele.be (NTMail 4.30.0010/NT2130.00.4b98663b) with ESMTP id uuzudaaa for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:55:10 +0200 Received: from thunderstorms.office (bandage [127.0.0.1]) by bandage.localdomain (8.9.3/) with ESMTP id KAA03227 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:51:40 +0200 Sender: gbevin@thunderstorms.org Message-ID: <37C5001C.E197561E@thunderstorms.office> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:51:40 +0200 From: Geert Bevin Organization: Thunderstorms X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Gnome Subject: Re: drag and drop wishlist References: <199908260846.BAA01291@mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I'm writing a new lightweight filemanager that already does this. I intend to release the first alpha version this weekend. So hang on for 2 days more ;-) G. "Michael D. James" wrote: > > It would be nice if you could make a pathname appear in a shell by > dragging it's associated file from the GUI file manager thing. I > could type any command I want, such as: > tail -f > or > grep -i aksejf > > then drag in the file I want to append to the command line. -- Geert Bevin - gbevin@thunderstorms.org Montenegrostraat 11 1060 Brussels BELGIUM 0477/302.599 -------------------------------------- >> Idealists have to communicate << From berrs@update.uu.se Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 1267 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 10:09:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 10:09:55 -0000 Received: from knatte.tninet.se (knatte.tninet.se [195.100.94.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id GAA00852 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 06:09:54 -0400 Received: (qmail 23830 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 12:09:51 +0200 Received: from du206-2.ppp.algonet.se (HELO jason) (195.100.2.206) by knatte.tninet.se with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 12:09:51 +0200 From: Per Erik Stendahl Subject: Re: Quick way to match programs to packages In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:51:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Sender: berra@jason Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Nils Philippsen wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, James Green wrote: > > > Well, I do have a better suggestion. I was thinking about the way the > > Windows (MS) manages to pack quite a bit into the zillions of widgets it > > uses, especially the enhancements with IE4/5. The Start menu is one. > > > > Anyway, I clicked our beloved foot menu, and right-clicked on an entry. > > Low and behold five entries appeared in a menu. Now this could be my cvs > > version folks, so try it yourself, but it looks promising. Anyway, why not > > put some more stuff in there? > > > > "Show full file path" > > "Show package containing this program" > > "Show program version" > > "Show help for this program" > > "Send bug-report for this program" > > etc > > > > How about it, doesn't it sound cool? > > It really does sound cool, but I would put this info into the About box, I think that much of the above information should go in the About box I also think that I should be able to bring up the About box for a program without having to start it. For example the contextmenu in the foot menu (...) should have an item "About..." and I should be able to do 'my-gnome-program --about' from the cmdline. -- Per Erik Stendahl Condescending Unix Computer User. From jlwallen@iglou.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 21483 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 13:13:45 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 13:13:45 -0000 Received: from iglou.com (sendmail@iglou3.iglou.com [192.107.41.6]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA20858 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:13:45 -0400 Received: from [204.255.239.55] (helo=lou-ts1-41.iglou.com) by iglou.com with esmtp (8.9.3/8.9.3) id 11JzLY-00001l-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:13:40 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:18:10 -0400 (EDT) From: "jack wallen, jr" X-Sender: jlwallen@willow.jack To: gnome list Subject: Best Linux Desktop Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII hey gang, just thought i'd let you all know my article is finally up about the Linux Desktop contest. go to www.techrepublic.com and then to the admin section and read about the contest i started for the best linux desktop. there's a prize for the winner! ;-) ----- Oh, `no attitude,' eh? Not `in your face,' huh? Well, you can cram it with walnuts, ugly! -- Homer Simpson The Itchy & Scratchy & Poochie Show From jfsantos@shannon.co.it.pt Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 10634 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 14:08:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 14:08:53 -0000 Received: from shannon.co.it.pt (shannon.co.it.pt [193.136.94.72]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30833 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:08:46 -0400 Received: from localhost (jfsantos@localhost) by shannon.co.it.pt (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA21916 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:08:29 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:08:29 +0100 (WEST) From: Joao Filipe Santos To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Backspace & Mouse Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII My backspace key doesn't work. I can't make my mouse emulate a 3-button mouse. What should I do? J F Santos From bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 29039 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 14:19:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 14:19:52 -0000 Received: from mirage.esiea.fr (root@mirage.esiea.fr [194.57.201.100]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA00121 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:19:49 -0400 Received: from phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (phoenix.linux.esiea.fr [194.57.201.13]) by mirage.esiea.fr (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with ESMTP id RAA03398 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:17:14 +0200 Received: from localhost (bklein@localhost) by phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA18073 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:19:42 +0200 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:19:42 +0200 (CET) From: Benjamin Klein-Fignier To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem during closing... the return ! Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I updated X Server to 3.3.4 but the problem still exists...=20 It's incredibly slow... If someone has another suggestion about this problem... Thanks, Ben. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- /\_/\ Benjamin Klein-Fignier ( o o ) aka "FENNEC" NEWSMASTER @ ESIEA \ / Ecole Superieur d'Informatique Electronique Automatique /\ /\ bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr | =B0 | ICQ# 40123319 | . | "Par une nuit sans lune, baignant dans la lumiere et la chaleur du brasier dans la foret de Rambouillet" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 24347 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 15:12:55 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA10233 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:12:54 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA09393; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:10:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA22596; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:12:39 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C55AA4.A54E5EEE@cetelem.fr> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:17:56 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joao Filipe Santos CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Backspace & Mouse References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit There are 2 questions : 1) the mouse emulation depend directly from the Xserver. If you are running linux, unfortunately I can't precisely answer because I have no linux box, but there is a file under /usr/X11R6/lib whose name is like Xconfig. It contains every thing about the definition of screen. And there you have to say that you want to emulate a 3 buttons mouse. There are also configurators to help you. These question depends od the system. There are many different ways to configure an X server depending of the unix system. 2) for the keyboard (the answer is for any system running X) You can remap completely you keyboard. You need 2 commands : xev: open a window and display on its stdout (an xterm from which you launch xev ) the description of the event. For a keypress, it will give you the keycode and the keysym. xmodmap: it is to remap the keyboard. For instancer, as I'm french, I need accent and on a sun QWERTY, I remap the number row to get some accentuated (?) characters with the alt key. this gives : #!/bin/sh xmodmap \ -e "keycode 37 = 1 exclam eacute" \ -e "keycode 38 = 2 at ugrave" \ -e "keycode 39 = 3 numbersign Icircumflex" \ -e "keycode 40 = 4 dollar Ecircumflex" \ -e "keycode 41 = 5 percent Acircumflex" \ -e "keycode 42 = 6 asciicircum Ucircumflex" \ .... The keycode was given by xev. You have to lauch the script every time you log in under UNIX. Make a script and launch it from where you launch your window manager (but before) good luck. JRC > My backspace key doesn't work. > I can't make my mouse emulate a 3-button mouse. > What should I do? > -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 1092 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 15:18:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 15:18:13 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11210 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:18:07 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA01264; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:32:48 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:32:48 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: Heinrich Rebehn cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Announce: Gnomba 0.4.1 In-Reply-To: <37C4EBC8.F2F50BD8@comm.uni-bremen.de> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Heinrich Rebehn wrote: > > Debain: http://gnomba.darkcorner.net/deb/ > ^^ opps, sorry, doesn't matter how many times I re-read it, there is always a typo > Yields: > Forbidden You don't have permission to access /deb/ on this server. Ah, yeah, thanks for letting me know. I changed servers over last night, and the new one did not allow viewing indexes. You still however, could download the .deb package, but you had to know (or guess) the name. This was also happening in the 5.2 and 6.0 directories, but is fixed now. Thanks -chris _______________________________________________________ Christopher Rogers http://www.pobox.com/~gandalf gandalf@pobox.com gandalf@darkcorner.net Life would be much easier if we could just look at the source code From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 32216 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 16:09:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 16:09:10 -0000 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [207.175.42.154]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA23622 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:09:08 -0400 Received: from localhost (sopwith@localhost) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA06312; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:09:06 -0400 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:09:06 -0400 (EDT) From: Elliot Lee X-Sender: sopwith@lacrosse.corp.redhat.com To: "Michael D. James" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: drag and drop wishlist In-Reply-To: <199908260846.BAA01291@mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Michael D. James wrote: > It would be nice if you could make a pathname appear in a shell by > dragging it's associated file from the GUI file manager thing. I > could type any command I want, such as: > tail -f > or > grep -i aksejf > > then drag in the file I want to append to the command line. I can already do this with gmc and gnome-terminal. -- Elliot Who me? I just wander from room to room. From bw@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 482 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 16:09:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 16:09:39 -0000 Received: from opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (opnt.optimus.wroc.pl [195.117.195.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA23848 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:09:38 -0400 Received: from optimus.wroc.pl (unverified [212.160.20.151]) by opnt.optimus.wroc.pl (EMWAC SMTPRS 0.83) with SMTP id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:09:50 +0200 Sender: bw@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C560D7.800C7CE7@optimus.wroc.pl> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:44:23 +0200 From: Kuba Winnicki X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: pl, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Michael D. James" CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: drag and drop wishlist References: <199908260846.BAA01291@mg-206253202-41.ricochet.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit "Michael D. James" wrote: > It would be nice if you could make a pathname appear in a shell by > dragging it's associated file from the GUI file manager thing. It's in gnome-terminal since (iirc) gnome-core-1.0.5 release. -- BlackWine From jacques@dtext.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 9915 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 17:29:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 17:29:48 -0000 Received: from mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (mailhub5.libertysurf.fr [195.154.209.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14673 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:29:47 -0400 Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp18-toulon.libertysurf.fr [195.154.61.145]) by mailhub5.libertysurf.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA11052 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:31:16 +0200 (CEST) X-Mailer: emacs 20.3.1 (via feedmail 8 I); VM 6.74 under Emacs 20.3.1 From: "Jacques Du Pasquier" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14277.31155.908134.588338@localhost.localdomain> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:30:27 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problems (help me to sort them out!) Hello, In a new attempt at identifying problems, I again removed .gnome/session to restart session management. The first session went OK. But I couldn't start gnome the second time (I killed X before Gnome restored my desktop). Thanks to a trick Tim gave me, I saved every single error message from the fresh start. The error messages matching the impossible startup are (theses are all the error messages of the aborted session when I killed X): -- gnome-smproxy: unable to connect to session manager GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 authentication rejected. GnomeUI-WARNING **: While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 authentication rejected. While connecting to session manager: Authentication Rejected, reason : MIT-MAGIC-COOKIE-1 authentication rejected. Gdk-ERROR **: an x io error occurred aborting... xinit: connection to X server lost. waiting for X server to shut down -- What would that mean ? (In particular, what are the "Authentication Rejected" errors ?) In case it is of interest, these are the error messages of the first (just after reinitalisation) session : -- Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0 Gdk-Message: Got event for unknown window: 0 subshell.c: couldn't get terminal settings: Inappropriate ioctl for device Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from `(unknown)' to `GnomeClient' xinit: unexpected signal 1 waiting for X server to shut down Gdk-ERROR **: an x io error occurred aborting... Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x2c00006 unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-ERROR **: an x io error occurred aborting... Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3000034 unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3000018 unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3000017 unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-WARNING **: GdkWindow 0x3000006 unexpectedly destroyed Gdk-ERROR **: an x io error occurred aborting... . -- Thanks, Jacques From bob@cs.csoft.net Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 15453 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 18:42:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 18:42:26 -0000 Received: from cs.csoft.net (csoft.net [208.161.216.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA27589 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:42:25 -0400 From: bob@cs.csoft.net Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by cs.csoft.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA19549 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:56:18 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 11:56:18 -0500 (CDT) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problems, Ideas, Other Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII We are loosing ground to KDE. KDE is assimilating the strengths of GNOME and GNOME is loosing some of its strengths. KDE is now copying the greatest strength of GNOME, configurability. A GNOME like panel with applets is in development and themes as well. In the beggining, I chose GNOME over KDE because of: Configureability License No waisted time/code Language No specified WM KDE is assimilating configureability eliminating the configureability portion. The QT QPL lisence is now Open Source so the lisence is not so much an issue. (I still prefer GPL) GNOME is loosing the "no waisted code" part. Examples are: GNOME-WM ESD replacement GNOME PPP stuff Alarm Applet ESD: Why replace esd when all it needs is a little fixing up. Fix the code that generates the fuz in the sound and it will be great. GNOME PPP: Still not up to par. There are two programs that dont share code. Also it is gui only. Please still think of the console people. I was playing around with diald and it has come a long way. I am planning to create a gnome front end to dialdc that will make it easy to use and will still allow your setup to work from the console. Plus we gain the ability to auto dial. Alarm Applet: why reinvent cron? GNOME-WM: Heven knows we dont need yet another WM. Finishing the WM Specification should remove the need for a GNOME WM. It will save alot of time and trouble making a GNOME WM. All that GNOME has over KDE now is: License (kinda) Languages We need to redouble our efforts and work on the things that really matter as apposed to other things or GNOME will be pushed aside by KDE. Things that need emediate attention: Bonobo WM Spec GCONF Office programs We are using other peoples code, but we are not sharing much of our code. Problem. For example libgnorba. It needs to be made into a console library with no dependencies on X. Many console programs can benifit from libgnorba. Another example would be the desktop file parsing code. It would be a good idea to put it in a library so that it could be shared with KDE and the window managers. A note about VFS: I still think it is a bad idea, File systems are the job of the kernel. BUT, if it is to be done, Please make it a console library so that console programs can make use of it as well. In fact, I think I saw something on freshmeat about a libvfs library. Then write a gnome-vfs library of gnome widgets based on libvfs. Note about gnome-db: Why? Isnt there a library called iODBC or something like that? There is no reason to create a gnome based db library when there is a console one that is more flexable. Name space issues: People that distribute programs should only have to create ONE desktop file that should work for all desktop environments. Having to make one for Gnome, KDE, enlightenment, whatever is a drag. This needs to be addressed. Also, it is a real pain to have the gnome desktop in .gnome-desktop. It is difficult to get at from both the console and from normal gnome programs. I recommend changing it to "desktop" or ".desktop". From rodney.cardenas@alliedelec.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 24111 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 19:46:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 19:46:54 -0000 Received: from gatekeeper.allied.avnet.com (gatekeeper.alliedelec.com [206.104.4.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01200 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:46:53 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.allied.avnet.com; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA25175; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:48:11 -0500 (CDT) Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:46:47 -0500 From: Rodney Cardenas Subject: Installing Gnome as root X-Sender: rodney@ernie.allied.avnet.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <4.2.0.58.19990826144408.00a50360@ernie.allied.avnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed I am having a problem running Gnome outside of the root account! If I am logged in as root there is no problem, but when I log in as a regular user it starts up with the standard fvwm95 gui. I downloaded the RPMS from the Gnome site and followed the instructions on "www.gnome.org/start/getting_sh.shtml". Did I do something wrong??? Rodney Cardenas Allied Electronics, Inc. rodney@allied.avnet.com From rodney.cardenas@alliedelec.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 28180 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 19:49:09 -0000 Received: from gatekeeper.allied.avnet.com (gatekeeper.alliedelec.com [206.104.4.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA01402 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:49:09 -0400 Received: by gatekeeper.allied.avnet.com; (8.8.8/1.3/10May95) id OAA27852; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:50:37 -0500 (CDT) Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Received: from somewhere by smtpxd Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:49:12 -0500 From: Rodney Cardenas Subject: Installing Gnome as root part 2 X-Sender: rodney@ernie.allied.avnet.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org Message-id: <4.2.0.58.19990826144744.00a53100@ernie.allied.avnet.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Pro Version 4.2.0.58 Content-type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed The address I gave is the wrong address here is the correct one "www.gnome.org/start/getting_rh.shtml" SORRY! Rodney Cardenas Allied Electronics, Inc. rodney@allied.avnet.com From omega@cse.ogi.edu Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 4119 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 20:43:22 -0000 Received: from church.cse.ogi.edu (omega@cse.ogi.edu [129.95.20.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA06328 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:43:20 -0400 Received: from localhost by church.cse.ogi.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA14596; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:43:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Erik Walthinsen To: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= Pascual cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak In-Reply-To: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE On Tue, 24 Aug 1999, Ricardo [iso-8859-1] Fern=E1ndez Pascual wrote: > Think in the possibilities: any gnome program would be able to speak > just calling some gnome_say(gchar *text) function. Balsa (or whatever > gnome mail client) could say "you have an email" with the only cost of a > function call, and then start reading it aloud... There is a program in CVS called gspeech that does just that. It's not very polished, but it does use festival to speak buttons and whatnot. Both the cool thing about it and the problem is that it runs as a GTK plugin. That means all you have to to do enable an app to use speech output is add --gtk-module=3Dgspeech to the commandline of the program.=20 That's it. Where that breaks down is the simple fact that all applications are going to have different requirements when it comes to speaking to the user. There is no such information available in GTK. I'm the author of a package that does the other side of the coin, voice recognition. It's based on IBM's ViaVoice, and thus is not 'free' as a whole (though my code is GPL'd), and can also run as a plugin, sorta. The cool part is that it supports construction of vocabularies based on Glade's XML interface definitions, and thus is almost as easy to use as a simple plugin. However, all this is ad hoc, and not very well designed from a usability standpoint. I read most of a paper written by a guy who took PowerPoint and rewrote it (yes, REWROTE) to be sane for voice-control. It simply is not possible in most cases to just slap voice-control or text-to-speech on top of an existing application. You're going to have to A) design the application from the ground up to make sense with voice-control, and B) mark it up with appropriate information so voice-control can be done. I would propose that Gtk+ be extended to make it easier to tie in the bits of information that are needed to properly describe a GUI in terms of voice control and output, and probably extend Glade and libglade to set up all this information. I'm no expert in this, and I have no time to lead such an effort, but I would gladly participate in it, to the extent of discussion and rewriting gvoice as necessary to make it do what's needed. I know there are plenty of people out there who'd be using this kind of technology daily, but I don't suppose that very many of these are programmers with time to lead such a project. Likely someone with a vested interest (say, a relation with vision problems) is going to have to show up, if not to lead, then to at least provide input. I tried to contact the author of the paper I mentioned, but didn't get a response. But I would try to find other experts in the field who can get on the list and help design this stuff. TTYL, Omega Erik Walthinsen - Staff Programmer @ OGI Quasar project - http://www.cse.ogi.edu/DISC/projects/quasar/ Video4Linux Two drivers and stuff - http://www.cse.ogi.edu/~omega/v4l2/ __ / \ SEUL: Simple End-User Linux - http://www.seul.org/ | | M E G A Helping Linux become THE choice _\ /_ for the home or office user From gualeve-fct@unimar.br Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 22791 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 22:20:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 22:20:33 -0000 Received: from venus.unimar.br (venus.unimar.br [200.230.90.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id SAA18744 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:20:30 -0400 Received: from [200.230.90.18] by venus.unimar.br with SMTP (1.38.193.4/16.2) id AA25802; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:22:16 -0300 Message-Id: <3.0.1.32.19990826192008.00696374@unimar.br> X-Sender: gualeve-fct@unimar.br X-Mailer: Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.1 (32) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:20:08 -0300 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Adalberto =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fa=E7anha?= Gualeve Subject: Gnome-ERROR ** Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" hi, i have install gnome-1.0/enlightenment... well, when if i try run any aplication like root, (emma, for sample), i receive this msg.: "Gnome-ERROR **: Could not create per-user Gnome directory - aborting." I try run like a user (dal), but i receive the same message: "Gnome-ERROR **: Could not create per-user Gnome directory - aborting." tnks. +-------------------------------------------------------+ | Jose Adalberto F. Gualeve | |-------------------------------------------------------| | Web: http://www.unimar.br/fct/pessoais/gualeve-fct | | ICQ: 1822053 | | Usuario Linux Nro.118362 | +-------------------------------------------------------+ From pauljohn@lark.cc.ukans.edu Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 26948 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 22:23:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 22:23:18 -0000 Received: from lark.cc.ukans.edu (root@lark.cc.ukans.edu [129.237.34.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA19106 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:21:40 -0400 Received: from ukans.edu by lark.cc.ukans.edu (8.8.7/1.1.8.2/12Jan95-0207PM) id RAA0000022510; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:21:26 -0500 (CDT) Sender: pauljohn@lark.cc.ukans.edu Message-ID: <37C5BFF4.16557B3@ukans.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:30:12 -0500 From: Paul Johnson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: OK, I've got some actual error output now! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit I learned how to trap the X errror messages. WHat really puzzles me is that my 3 machines have the same RedHat 6.0 stuff, but one has all kinds of problems with launching capplets and session management. Here are some errors. When I use the foot | Settings | desktop | window manager routine, this is the error output: Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 3908 (gtk_ctree_post_recursive): assertion `ctree != NULL' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 710 (giop_recv_buffer_unuse): assertion `buffer != NULL' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 457 (giop_send_buffer_unuse): assertion `send_buffer != NULL' failed. ** WARNING **: an initialization error occurred while starting 'wm-properties-capplet'. aborting... I say Settings | Save Session: rm: cannot remove `/home/pauljohn/.gnome//gmc-92l93Z': No such file or directory Suppose I say Settings | Desktop | ThemeSelector: Gtk-WARNING **: invalid cast from (NULL) pointer to `GtkCTree' Gtk-CRITICAL **: file gtkctree.c: line 3908 (gtk_ctree_post_recursive): assertion `ctree != NULL' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 710 (giop_recv_buffer_unuse): assertion `buffer != NULL' failed. ** CRITICAL **: file giop-msg-buffer.c: line 457 (giop_send_buffer_unuse): assertion `send_buffer != NULL' failed. I can start gnome control center 1.06 from the Foot without any error messages. I keep thinking that this troublesome machine has some lingering file from an old version of gnome or gtk, but I can't find it. I've done rpm -qf on any gnome or gtk related file, and I find out they match what I think I have. I have glib-1.2.3-1.i386.rpm gtk+-1.2.3-1.i386.rpm control-center-1.0.6-1.i686.rpm ORBit-devel-0.4.92-1.i386.rpm gnome-libs-1.0.12-1.i386.rpm gnome-core-1.0.9-1.i386.rpm I think my RPMS may have some mix-and-match between the ones Dax Nelson provided and the ones from the RHAD site. I think I will grab all the ones from ftp.gurulabs.com and install them just to be sure that is not the cause. If you can help, I'd sure appreciate an explanation. -- Paul E. Johnson email: pauljohn@ukans.edu Dept. of Political Science http://lark.cc.ukans.edu/~pauljohn University of Kansas Office: (785) 864-9086 Lawrence, Kansas 66045 FAX: (785) 864-5700 From sjh@fosters.ucf.ics.uci.edu Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 30037 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 23:19:50 -0000 Received: from zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu (zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu [128.195.23.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id TAA03184 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:19:49 -0400 Message-Id: <199908262319.TAA03184@mail.redhat.com> Received: (qmail 21640 invoked from network); 26 Aug 1999 23:19:47 -0000 Received: from fosters.ucf.ics.uci.edu (128.195.23.105) by zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu with SMTP; 26 Aug 1999 23:19:47 -0000 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: sjh@ucf.ics.uci.edu Subject: Auto build script(s)? Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:19:47 -0700 From: Seth Hettich Is there a set of scripts to get the latest version of gnome and build it? If not, is there interest in this? I was thinking of setting it up to provide up-to-date binary packages for the arch's I use. -Seth From craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 28636 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 00:02:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 00:02:24 -0000 Received: from epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil (epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil [150.192.56.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA16557 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:02:23 -0400 Received: from delenn.cjo by epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA18651; Thu, 26 Aug 99 17:02:15 -0700 Received: by delenn.eng (8.7.6/16.2) id UAA03380; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:02:14 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on HP-UX (unknown) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Craig Orsinger Organization: EPG Ft. Lewis Field Office Sender: craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil From: Craig Orsinger To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: RE: Problems, Ideas, Other Let me first explain that my perspective is that of a programmer and systems integrator. So, from the perspective of this project, I'm mostly a user of GNOME, rather than a potential developer. I've spent a lot of time in the last two months trying to learn how GNOME fits together and works with Linux, X, and itself. There are a lot of good things about GNOME. Its suite of tools like the panel, GMC, and the control center make it a much more complete GUI than anything previously available for free. It's got a lot of potential, also, once the standard printer interface and some reliable and useful productivity applications are available (I'm aware of the development efforts, but they're not there yet, IMHO). While I can't contrast it with KDE, it's clearly a lot more than one gets with the Motif environment, and it has now surpassed CDE in utility as well. But, GNOME isn't ready for prime time just yet ... On 26-Aug-99 bob@cs.csoft.net wrote: > We are loosing ground to KDE. KDE is assimilating the strengths of GNOME > and GNOME is loosing some of its strengths. > > KDE is now copying the greatest strength of GNOME, configurability. A > GNOME like panel with applets is in development and themes as well. > > In the beggining, I chose GNOME over KDE because of: > Configureability > License > No waisted time/code > Language > No specified WM I am not familiar enough with how KDE works to make any distinctions in user interface or configurability issues, but I agree that the language and license issues are important. KDE, AFAIK, still doesn't support any interface other than C++. One of my prime requirements for a new API is that it be accessible somehow from the C language. > KDE is assimilating configureability eliminating the configureability > portion. > A logical development, I should think. > GNOME is loosing the "no waisted code" part. > Examples are: > GNOME-WM > ESD replacement > GNOME PPP stuff > Alarm Applet If I understood what I read correctly on one of the GNOME sites, you can add imlib to this list. I hope this is not becoming a trend. [snip] > GNOME-WM: Heven knows we dont need yet another WM. Finishing the WM > Specification should remove the need for a GNOME WM. It will save alot of > time and trouble making a GNOME WM. People are developing WMs. There is at least one independent "lightweight GNOME-compliant WM" effort under way (wmG), and several that seem to be similar efforts. > All that GNOME has over KDE now is: > License (kinda) > Languages > > We need to redouble our efforts and work on the things that really matter > as apposed to other things or GNOME will be pushed aside by KDE. > > Things that need emediate attention: > Bonobo > WM Spec > GCONF > Office programs If you include an e-mail client in "office programs", this is a good list. Well, except for "Bonobo" - I thought that was released already ??? Do you mean it should be made more reliable? > We are using other peoples code, but we are not sharing much of our code. > Problem. > For example libgnorba. It needs to be made into a console library with no > dependencies on X. Many console programs can benifit from libgnorba. > Another example would be the desktop file parsing code. It would be a good > idea to put it in a library so that it could be shared with KDE and the > window managers. It would be nice to be able to use one library for both GUI and console. I'm writing applications that may have to work on either. They don't use CORBA at the moment, but it's within the realm of possibility later. [snip] > Note about gnome-db: > Why? Isnt there a library called iODBC or something like that? There is no > reason to create a gnome based db library when there is a console one that > is more flexable. I agree to the extent that gnome-db is a lower priority than configurability, reliability, documentation, and office apps at this point. ODBC is a rather resource-intensive interface, but it is there. [snip] People have complained before, but it would be really handy to have a centralized error log facility similar to (or perhaps, compatible with), syslog for GNOME errors and warnings. It's hard to tell what's broken on my systems right now, partly because there are lots of warnings in the .xsession error file that have no program name associated with them. In addition, it would be nice if there was something more to go on than GTK messages about not being able to find window pointers. ---------------------------------- Date: 26-Aug-99 Time: 16:12:19 Craig Orsinger (email: ) Logicon RDA Bldg. 8B28 "Just another megalomaniac with ideas above his 6th & F Streets station. The Universe is full of them." Ft. Lewis, WA 98433 - The Doctor ---------------------------------- From bob@cs.csoft.net Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 327 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 00:04:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 00:04:22 -0000 Received: from cs.csoft.net (csoft.net [208.161.216.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA17203 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:04:20 -0400 From: bob@cs.csoft.net Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by cs.csoft.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id RAA24014; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:18:10 -0500 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:18:10 -0500 (CDT) To: Elliot Lee cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problems, Ideas, Other In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Elliot Lee wrote: > On Thu, 26 Aug 1999 bob@cs.csoft.net wrote: > > > > It's not just a "little fixing up". It needs a total rewrite. > > > > Hmm... Maby so. But some standard needs to be established. Many programs > > are being changed from /dev/dsp to esd. It would be ugly to have to change > > them yet again to another protocol. > > We have been planning to have a libesd wrapper that allows programs to use > the legacy API to access the new sound server without recompiling. Good. Dont plan yet another switch in the next 10 years thow. It might annoy people. "CIV CTP" was a dsp program, then an esd one... It might really bother Loci to have to rewrite it again. :) > > > Request: whatever we change to, it would be very good to maintain the > > network streaming ability. > > Of course! > > > > The alarm applet is primarily GUI, and while it could be implemented in > > > terms of cron, it would be more difficult to do this than just > > > reimplementing the needed functionality inside the alarm applet. > > > > I stand corrected. Maby there needs to be a gnome to cron bridge of some > > kind. It might be better off being a transparent program then an applet... > > (not everyone uses the panel.) > > > > Seen cromagnon? It provides a gui front end to cron. > > Yes, that was one of the original five or so GNOME apps, but it hasn't > been maintained since then. > > Having a GNOME front-end to edit crontab would be nice. (Maybe cromagnon > just needs a maintainer.) I talked to the maintainer and it sounds like it might be worked on again soon. (I might be helping) > > > > > GNOME-WM: Heven knows we dont need yet another WM. Finishing the WM > > > > Specification should remove the need for a GNOME WM. It will save alot of > > > > time and trouble making a GNOME WM. > > > > > > Well, the main problem is that there isn't a window manager that > > > integrates perfectly with GNOME, and the GNOME WM project intends to fix > > > this problem one way or another. Because of KDE reluctance to use CORBA, > > > the WM specification will not include CORBA interfaces for configuring the > > > GNOME window manager, which GNOME really needs. > > > > Why does gnome need to talk to the WM with corba for? > > For WM configuration - e.g. retrieving focus settings > > > I was under the impression that the WM was incharge of managing > > windows (and desktops). There shouldnt need to be much communication > > between the two. The communication could be done through hints and if > > you really want, a corba wrapper to the hints. > > Window hints are one-way only - the window manager can't communicate back > to the app that way. CORBA is a nice, standardized way for programs to > talk to each other. How does a wm like sawmill tell the gnome pager that it has added a desktop? Also, why does a program other then a wm configuration program need to talk to the wm, or does it? I think the idea you are talking about is making a standard "window manager config" capplet. The problem with this, is the window manager is then limited to the features implamented in the capplet. I do not see much of a problem with the current setup. Use the capplet that comes with the WM. > > > > > All that GNOME has over KDE now is: > > > > License (kinda) > > > > Languages > > > > > > There's more than that, it's just that perhaps you don't know all the cool > > > stuff that is going on with gnome right now. :) > > > > Enlighten me. I am sure that alot of people would like to here about it. > > gill/libart/canvas > gnome-mailer > bonobo > gdk-pixbuf > gnumeric > > > Everything is important but alot of programs are going to depend on > > the above listed stuff. So finishing them quicker then some of the > > less important stuff would allow for better programs to be written. > > Bonobo and GCONF are examples. > > gconf replaces an existing GNOME subsystem, and Havoc doesn't seem to be > thinking it is even a component > > > > > A note about VFS: > > > > I still think it is a bad idea, File systems are the job of the kernel. > > > > > > You'll never get the kernel people to add support for HTTP filesystems and > > > such, because they don't belong there. (There was a userfs which > > > implemented this, but it has gone unused.) > > > > Wouldent it be easier to resurect the userfs implementation? If it is > > already implemented, it would be a far better thing then vfs. > > No, because userfs was never stable AFAIK. Also, if you use a kernel > filesystem you are limiting yourself to the POSIX API as far as file > access goes, which doesn't allow for extensions like metadata and > password-access (imagine all the horrible hacks that would have to be done > to allow programs using userfs to access password-controlled HTTP > resources). What about smbfs? It does support passwords. Althow, it only supports linux. Hmm. how about a nfs server with modular plugins for protocols. VFS like, but works with all programs. Hmm, maby a step above. Take the libvfs library, and build a nfs server that uses it. It could be mounted by any os, and support any filesystem libvfs does. Question, why is metadata a good thing. One of, at least I think, the mac's greatest problems is its way of storing metadata. It makes a file hard to transfer. Why not just store the metadata at the end of the file itself? > > > I have been keeping an eye on gnome for a long time. If I can confuse > > "gnome=X" then so will most people. Making a distinction between console > > gnome and X gnome would help. Maby prefixing Gnome console stuff with > > gnomec_ or X stuff with gnomeX_. or just making 2 parts to gnome libs. > > libgnome and libgnomec. > > We already have two parts to gnome-libs - libgnome and libgnomeui. O. Cool. Is there any plans to separate libgnome and libgnomeui into 2 packages so that you dont need all of gnome to program a console app? I thaught gnome was X only because it only had one lib package. > > > > gnome-db is a higher-level layer on top of flat files, the ODBC API, or > > > whatever, so applications can do their DB tasks easily. > > > > I dont see the difference between gnome-db and ODBC. Why reinvent the > > wheel? > > My point was that it's not reinventing the wheel. It's a higher-level API > than ODBC. So what is it? Is it a fiew helper functions that make ODBC easier to use, or is it an implamentation of ODBC? > > > > > Name space issues: > > > > People that distribute programs should only have to create ONE desktop > > > > file that should work for all desktop environments. Having to make one for > > > > Gnome, KDE, enlightenment, whatever is a drag. This needs to be addressed. > > > > Also, it is a real pain to have the gnome desktop in .gnome-desktop. It is > > > > difficult to get at from both the console and from normal gnome programs. > > > > I recommend changing it to "desktop" or ".desktop". > > > > > > Your post was in the vein of slashdot: lots of uninformed moaning and > > > wailing, and probably discouraged people more than anything else. If you > > > want to help GNOME along, there's lots that you can do to help, so don't > > > feel put off about trying to make suggestions - it's just that this > > > particular way of going about it doesn't help at all. > > > > How would you suggest making suggestions and asking questions? I > > thaught the gnome-list was for discussion. If not, point me in the > > correct direction. > > It's not what you did, it's how you did it. Hackers need encouragement, > positive reinforcement, constructive criticism, and of course actual > contributions. :) Your post was taken by many as being a "You guys should > give up, KDE rules" even though you probably didn't mean it that way. That was not my intention, and I apologize for my bad wording. I dont think that we should give up. Looking at whats comming up on the kde side, I got the impression that it could potentually push gnome even farther out of the way. It is my wish that this would not happen. I was trying to formulate ideas to help gnome stand out again. > > -- Elliot > Who me? I just wander from room to room. > > > From craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 19079 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 00:12:02 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 00:12:02 -0000 Received: from epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil (epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil [150.192.56.10]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id UAA19710 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:12:00 -0400 Received: from delenn.cjo by epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil with SMTP (1.37.109.4/15.6) id AA18703; Thu, 26 Aug 99 17:11:58 -0700 Received: by delenn.eng (8.7.6/16.2) id UAA03392; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:11:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-Id: X-Mailer: XFMail 1.3 [p0] on HP-UX (unknown) X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Mime-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <37C338B7.432E52C5@remc11.k12.mi.us> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:11:58 -0700 (PDT) Reply-To: Craig Orsinger Organization: EPG Ft. Lewis Field Office Sender: craig@epg-gw1.lewis.army.mil From: Craig Orsinger To: (Mailing List\) Subject: RE: I need some help On 25-Aug-99 Brian Maxwell wrote: > I'm to compiling programs under Linux so I need some help on something > on compiling gnome-core-1.0.9 on my Red Hat 5.2 system. The problem I > have is that when I get down to compiling in the "po" directory and I > get an error message from /bin/sh that the command "no" doesn't exist. > If anyone can help I would really appreciate it. > I don't recall seeing this particular error, but here's the way I compiled this. The configure command: ./configure --with-gnu-ld --with-gnome=/usr/local --with-gtk-prefix=/usr/local --with-libgtop=/usr/local --with-esd-prefix=/usr/local then I ran make ... su'd to root, and ran "make install". Clearly, I installed the gnome-libs, GTK/glib, etc., in /usr/local beforehand. I ran ldconfig after every library was installed (as root). Hope this is helpful. You might also try doing a "make -n" to see what commands make is trying to execute. Might show what makefile macros need to be defined, etc. ---------------------------------- Date: 26-Aug-99 Time: 17:05:07 Craig Orsinger (email: ) Logicon RDA Bldg. 8B28 "Just another megalomaniac with ideas above his 6th & F Streets station. The Universe is full of them." Ft. Lewis, WA 98433 - The Doctor ---------------------------------- From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 22936 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 00:13:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 00:13:53 -0000 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk (mail15.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.25]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA20320 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:13:52 -0400 Received: from modem-190.naso-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.46.190] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K9eQ-00029n-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:13:50 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26152 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:12:29 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:12:29 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problems, Ideas, Other Message-ID: <19990827011229.D22007@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from bob@cs.csoft.net on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:56:18AM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * bob@cs.csoft.net (bob@cs.csoft.net) wrote: > We are loosing ground to KDE. KDE is assimilating the strengths of GNOME > and GNOME is loosing some of its strengths. For goodness sake! This is very close to rude. KDE is a year (*one year*) of development _ahead_ of Gnome. Gnome has been *catching up* with KDE at an _astonishing_ rate. One year of development is a huge lead. I already consider some parts of Gnome to be superior to equivalent parts of KDE. Gnome developers are working very hard, surprisingly quickly, and KDE's lead in the desktop has all but vanished. Losing ground indeed! Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From hobbit@aloss.ukuu.org.uk Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 23797 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 00:28:32 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 00:28:32 -0000 Received: from aloss.ukuu.org.uk (aloss.ukuu.org.uk [194.168.151.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25110 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:28:29 -0400 Received: (from hobbit@localhost) by aloss.ukuu.org.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA07446 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:27:17 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:27:16 +0100 From: Telsa To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: I seem to be asking for things that exist. Sorry :) Message-ID: <19990827012716.A7169@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <14266.26799.52744.225595@localhost.localdomain> <14266.41799.74055.537400@localhost.localdomain> <19990818135233.A7178@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> <19990823141634.J23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.5i In-Reply-To: <19990823141634.J23466@aloss.ukuu.org.uk>; from Telsa on Mon, Aug 23, 1999 at 02:16:35PM +0100 I know it's not ideal form to follow up on your own messages, but I might as well say "Whoops." I said (a while back), in a long list of stuff about bug-reporting, > Going further, you could take a partial leaf out of bashbug (not > the 'automatic post to Usenet' part, though, please!) and have a > button that you click on which generates the right headers for a > bug report, and the contents of uname -a (for Linux systems, > dunno the right ones for other ones) or whatever is generally > relevant. Then the user would just have to explain what they did > and what happened. Um. Well. I was reading the gnome-libs README in /usr/doc, and - erm - this pretty much exists already. (Blush). It's not something you can click on, but if you type 'gnome-bug' at a terminal, you are dropped into your editor and given the template of an email to send to submit@bugs.gnome.org. It has the headers there, with hints about what you put in it and a bank space for you to fill in the package. It could do with a "you have filled a bug report in; do you want to send it?" thing at the end, just in case you change your mind, but apart from that, it's there. Someone mentioned that when you're paying by the minute, having to check the website to remember the headers and the possible entries was a pain. Anyone in that boat might be interested in this. Telsa From gilbertt@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 27557 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 00:30:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 00:30:11 -0000 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk (mail12.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.215]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA25709 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:30:10 -0400 Received: from modem-190.naso-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.46.190] helo=tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk ident=root) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11K9uB-0003tc-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:30:08 +0100 Received: (from gilbertt@localhost) by tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) id BAA26410 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:28:47 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:28:47 +0000 From: Tom Gilbert To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problems, Ideas, Other Message-ID: <19990827012847.E22007@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: ; from bob@cs.csoft.net on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:56:18AM -0500 X-Editor: Vim http://www.vim.org/ X-Info: http://www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk/ * bob@cs.csoft.net (bob@cs.csoft.net) wrote: > GNOME is loosing the "no waisted code" part. > Examples are: > GNOME-WM > ESD replacement > GNOME PPP stuff > Alarm Applet > > ESD: Why replace esd when all it needs is a little fixing up. Fix the code > that generates the fuz in the sound and it will be great. Previously given reasons. I thought this too at first, but have recently taken the time to perous the code. Some parts are very nicely implemented, but I have to say some parts were somewhat scary. Modifying someone elses code is not always very fun, and can often lead to problems which are hard to start. I don't see the harm in starting from scratch, having nailed down exactly what the thing needs to do. Then you do it right, once, and won't need to do it again. > GNOME PPP: Still not up to par. There are two programs that dont share > code. Also it is gui only. Please still think of the console people. I was > playing around with diald and it has come a long way. I am planning to > create a gnome front end to dialdc that will make it easy to use and will > still allow your setup to work from the console. Plus we gain the ability > to auto dial. Try to be more constructive. "Up to par" isn't very fair, the author may well be reading. Most of Gnome is development level software you know... > Alarm Applet: why reinvent cron? When did cron suddenly become graphical? Or easy for newbies, grannies, intellectually disadvantaged people to get into? Besides, its not like the alarm applet's gonna fill your hd ;) > GNOME-WM: Heven knows we dont need yet another WM. Finishing the WM > Specification should remove the need for a GNOME WM. It will save alot of > time and trouble making a GNOME WM. This is a mixed issue. I am very happy with my current window manager, and do not intend to change it. BUT, I can see the advantage the KDE environment has with its own wm. Everything seems to meld together better, and providing it as a default would prevent _so_ many messages to this newsgroup, complaining or asking questions about enlightenment (my current wm, which I love), as they assume it too is part of Gnome. > All that GNOME has over KDE now is: > License (kinda) > Languages > > We need to redouble our efforts and work on the things that really matter > as apposed to other things or GNOME will be pushed aside by KDE. > > Things that need emediate attention: > Bonobo > WM Spec > GCONF > Office programs Ok. Welcome to the world of 'bazaar development'. One of the things you will find with open development, is that developers tend to work on what they feel like working on, for whatever reasons. Sometimes their own reasons, sometimes other peoples. I am aware of the priorities of many of the core Gnome developers, and I can assure you they are perfectly sane priorities. Things will get done in the order the developers do them. If you want to shape the development, or re-prioritise, unless you fancy doing the developers' day-jobs for them so they have more time, the only way to affect develelopment time-scales/priorities is to _get_involved_. Being involved is about helping in any way you can, without trying to manage everybody. Far too many messages on this list are trying to 'manage', when they should be creating stuff. IMO of course. Feel free to disagree. Its late, and I'm quite drunk. I'm not picking on you by the way, most of your comments were helpful, but unfortunately they are all very familiar from the archives. G'night. Tom. -- .-------------------------------------------------------. .^. | Tom Gilbert, England | tom@tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | /V\ |----------------------| www.tomgilbert.freeserve.co.uk | // \\ | Sites I recommend: `--------------------------------| /( )\ | www.freshmeat.net www.enlightenment.org www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ `-------------------------------------------------------' From twilson@csufresno.edu Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 10220 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 06:17:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 06:17:39 -0000 Received: from goedel.engr.csufresno.edu (twilson@goedel.engr.CSUFresno.EDU [129.8.117.55]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA13817 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 02:17:38 -0400 Received: (from twilson@localhost) by goedel.engr.csufresno.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) id XAA30106; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:17:32 -0700 From: Todd Wilson MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <14278.11644.428218.414876@goedel.engr.csufresno.edu> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:17:32 -0700 (PDT) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: panel slowing down X-Mailer: VM 6.71 under 21.1 (patch 3) "Acadia" XEmacs Lucid There was, I believe, a message on this list some time earlier this month (I checked the archives for it but became daunted by the 2517 messages for August I found there!) that pointed out that the panel became progressively slower to respond the longer it had been running. I think the poster mentioned that it had even reached more than minute in response time for him! Anyway, I just wanted to mention that, since seing his message, I've noticed that my panel is doing the same thing -- now up to approximately 2 sec response time per click from an originally almost neglible response time. I'm just wondering if anyone's found the cause of this problem yet. I'm using gnome-core-1.0.9-1. -- Todd Wilson Computer Science Department California State University, Fresno From gisler@ntb.ch Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 28137 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 09:28:48 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 09:28:48 -0000 Received: from sparc1000.ntb.ch (sparc1000.ntb.ch [146.136.1.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA14597 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:28:46 -0400 Message-ID: <37C6D462.C2E6951C@ntb.ch> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:09:38 +0200 From: HpG MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: CPULoad-Applet skrews up my panel Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all I observe a strange behaviour with the CPULoad-Applet. When adding this applet to the panel, the next time I am starting an X-session (with panel), the panel seems to start up all the applets, but when coming to the CPULoad-Applet, the panel crashes and after one more (futile) try, leaves the desktop without any panel. Does anybody observe the same behaviour? My box: SuSE Linux 6.1 (glibc 2.0) ORBit-0.4.93-1 gnome-libs-1.0.12-1 gnome-core-1.0.9-1 Thanks for any help Hanspeter Gisler From mikeh@bahnhof.se Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 29447 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 09:46:16 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 09:46:16 -0000 Received: from sunny.bahnhof.se (sunny.bahnhof.se [193.44.91.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA20175 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 05:46:15 -0400 Received: from host02.mikeh (pm2-33.bahnhof.se [195.178.166.106]) by sunny.bahnhof.se (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA24341 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:46:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Mikael Hermansson Received: from localhost (mikeh@localhost) by host02.mikeh (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA13133 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:46:25 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:46:25 +0200 (CEST) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-terminal Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hello! I don't know if this is possible but I have a option I want to implement in gnome-terminal. Why not let the window title has the same name as the directory/application its points to, for example: When change directory with cd command it also should change the windowtitle and when gnome-terminal start a new program the title changes to applications name... Yes I know there is an option(-t) to set the title but I want the terminal to automatic change the title when it's already is running :-) Is it possible to implement this? Greats MikeH --- Check out my homepage at (under heavy reconstruction): http://www.bahnhof.se/~mikeh Email: mikeh@bahnhof.se international Phone 46-44-126995 Sweden Phone: 044-126995 ICQ: Error fix later From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 28721 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 10:03:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 10:03:11 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA25624 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:03:07 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id SAA05346; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:13:50 +0800 (WST) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:13:50 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Mikael Hermansson cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-terminal In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII This can't be implemented from within gnome-terminal in a portable fassion. However, gnome-terminal supports the xterm escape sequences for changing the title bar, so it is possible to do this with the cooperation of the shell. Try putting the following at the end of your ~/.bashrc file: if [ "$TERM" = xterm ]; then export PS1="\[\033]0;\u@\h: \w\007\]$PS1" fi You may have to adjust this for other shells. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Mikael Hermansson wrote: > Hello! > > I don't know if this is possible but I have a option I want to implement > in gnome-terminal. > > Why not let the window title has the same name as the > directory/application its points to, for example: > > When change directory with cd command it also should change the > windowtitle and when gnome-terminal start a new program the title changes > to applications name... > > Yes I know there is an option(-t) to set the title but I want the > terminal to automatic change the title when it's already is running :-) > > Is it possible to implement this? > > Greats > > MikeH > > > --- > > Check out my homepage at (under heavy reconstruction): > http://www.bahnhof.se/~mikeh > > Email: mikeh@bahnhof.se > international Phone 46-44-126995 > Sweden Phone: 044-126995 > ICQ: Error fix later > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From fkoorman@usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 7238 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 10:08:14 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 10:08:14 -0000 Received: from omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (root@omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.17.35]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA27414 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:08:11 -0400 Received: from cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE [131.173.30.45]) by omecihuatl.rz.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id MAA28968; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:07:59 +0200 Received: (from fkoorman@localhost) by cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE (8.8.4/8.8.4) id MAA07644; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:07:59 +0200 (MET DST) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:07:58 +0200 From: Frank Koormann To: Mikael Hermansson Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-terminal Message-ID: <19990827120758.A7396@cheops.usf.Uni-Osnabrueck.DE> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.6i In-Reply-To: ; from Mikael Hermansson on Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 11:46:25AM +0200 Hi, Quoting Mikael Hermansson (mikeh@bahnhof.se): > Hello! > > I don't know if this is possible but I have a option I want to implement > in gnome-terminal. > > Why not let the window title has the same name as the > directory/application its points to, for example: > > When change directory with cd command it also should change the > windowtitle and when gnome-terminal start a new program the title changes > to applications name... > > Yes I know there is an option(-t) to set the title but I want the > terminal to automatic change the title when it's already is running :-) A couple of weeks ago some clever guys gave some tips on using the prompt string for this: James Henstridge: | Changing the title to your cwd is not too difficult, and does not require | any GTK+ programming. Gnome-terminal understands the standard xterm | title | changing escape sequence. So for bash, you might want to set your prompt | to this: | PS1="\[\033]0;\u@\h: \w\007\]$PS1" | | That will put user, host and directory in the title, and preserve your | normal prompt. I prefer PS1="\[\033]0;\u@\h \w\007\]\h \W \!: " which results in "user@host directory_path" in the title and "host current_dirctory history: " on the command line. Warren Young also gave a hint on an article in the Linux Journal On-line: http://linuxjournal.com/issue64 The complete story is in the lists archives. Cheers, Frank -- Frank Koormann Institute of Environmental Systems Research University of Osnabrueck, Germany http://www.usf.uni-osnabrueck.de/~fkoorman From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 8455 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 10:24:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 10:24:50 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id GAA00255 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 06:24:48 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA27821; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:22:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA13646; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:24:34 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C6689F.6A93D25C@cetelem.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:29:52 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mikael Hermansson CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-terminal References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit With an xterm, it's easy to do : #D# fichier IGU: titre(1) #D# #D# #D# NAME #D# titre - modifie le titre d'une fenętre xterm #D# #D# SYNOPSYS #D# titre libellé.... #D# #D# LOCALISATION #D# /app/gnu/share/fksh #D# #D# DESCRIPTION #D# Modifie le titre de la fenętre en envoyant la séquence de code adéquate. #D# #D# PRE-REQUIS #D# FPATH=/app/gnu/share/fksh #D# #D# EXEMPLE #D# titre `hostname` / `logname` #D# #D# AUTEUR #D# J.R Chauvičre(chauvier@cetelem.fr), Levallois-Perret(F-(92595) titre() { case "$TERM" in xterm*|vs100*) print -n "" ;; esac } between the "" of the print command you need some special characters, you can decript with the following output of the od -co titre command : 0000760 * | v s 1 0 0 * ) p r i n t 025174 073163 030460 030052 024440 070162 064556 072040 0001000 - n " 033 ] 1 ; $ * \a 033 ] 2 ; $ 026556 020042 015535 030473 022052 003433 056462 035444 0001020 * \a " ; ; \n \t e s a c \n } \n \n 025007 021040 035473 005011 062563 060543 005175 005012 The last thing you have to do is to encapsulate commands in function: su(){ case $1 in -) TITRE="`uname -n` / $2" ;; *) TITRE="`uname -n` / $1" ;; esac titre $TITRE /usr/bin/su $@ titre `uname -n` / $LOGNAME } This one is used by system administrator 'to know where they are' Be carefull to give the full pathname in the function to avoid call recursion. in ksh, you can define: export FPATH=directory of function' This works in ksh, I suppose it will work in bash . But it hasn't FPATH, so you need to source every file in your .bashrc. for f in $HOME/functions/* do . $f done To have the same behaviour with the gnome terminal, it's necessary to know the string to send. I suppose the developers can answer....(if it's implemented.) JRC Mikael Hermansson wrote: > Hello! > > I don't know if this is possible but I have a option I want to implement > in gnome-terminal. > > Why not let the window title has the same name as the > directory/application its points to, for example: > > When change directory with cd command it also should change the > windowtitle and when gnome-terminal start a new program the title changes > to applications name... > > Yes I know there is an option(-t) to set the title but I want the > terminal to automatic change the title when it's already is running :-) > > Is it possible to implement this? > > Greats > > MikeH > > > --- > > Check out my homepage at (under heavy reconstruction): > http://www.bahnhof.se/~mikeh > > Email: mikeh@bahnhof.se > international Phone 46-44-126995 > Sweden Phone: 044-126995 > ICQ: Error fix later > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From kodis@jagunet.com Fri May 12 00:03:44 2000 Received: (qmail 12259 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 12:35:00 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 12:35:00 -0000 Received: from kodis.jagunet.com (root@kodis.jaguNET.com [206.156.208.48]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA10311 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:34:58 -0400 Received: (from kodis@localhost) by kodis.jagunet.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id IAA27623 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:23:38 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:23:38 -0400 From: John Kodis To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Auto build script(s)? Message-ID: <19990827082338.B27611@kodis.jagunet.com> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <199908262319.TAA03184@mail.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us In-Reply-To: <199908262319.TAA03184@mail.redhat.com>; from Seth Hettich on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 04:19:47PM -0700 On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 04:19:47PM -0700, Seth Hettich wrote: > Is there a set of scripts to get the latest version of gnome and build it? > If not, is there interest in this? I was thinking of setting it up to > provide up-to-date binary packages for the arch's I use. I'd certainly appreciate something like this. Perhaps rather than a script to do this though, you should consider providing a top-level makefile. That way all the targets provided by the lower level makefiles (all, install, distclean, and so on) would be available at the top level as well. -- John Kodis. From dj@insigma.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 1924 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 12:44:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 12:44:43 -0000 Received: from janus.insigma.com (janus-130.insigma.com [195.153.205.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id IAA13912 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:44:41 -0400 Received: (qmail 2567 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 12:44:34 -0000 Received: from minerva.insigma.com (mail@195.153.205.172) by janus-161.insigma.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 12:44:34 -0000 Received: from dj by minerva.insigma.com with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) for gnome-list@gnome.org id 11KLMv-00082m-00 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:44:33 +0100 Message-ID: <19990827134433.P23006@insigma.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:44:33 +0100 From: James Aylett To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problems, Ideas, Other Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.93i In-Reply-To: ; from bob@cs.csoft.net on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:56:18AM -0500 Sender: James Aylett On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:56:18AM -0500, bob@cs.csoft.net wrote: > ESD: Why replace esd when all it needs is a little fixing up. Fix the code > that generates the fuz in the sound and it will be great. Because esd is largely unmaintainable, and has a rather dubious internal structure that makes it less extensible and gives it some fundamental problems. Latency, I believe, is the one usually bandied around at this point. > Alarm Applet: why reinvent cron? Because cron doesn't integrate with the panel? Because new users don't 'get' crontab? > GNOME-WM: Heven knows we dont need yet another WM. Finishing the WM > Specification should remove the need for a GNOME WM. It will save alot of > time and trouble making a GNOME WM. Every spec needs at least one testbed, though ... > All that GNOME has over KDE now is: > License (kinda) > Languages Better design philosophy (IMHO). James -- /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org From jberkman@serendipity.res.cmu.edu Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 9726 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 12:58:51 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 12:58:51 -0000 Received: from smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu (SMTP1.ANDREW.CMU.EDU [128.2.10.81]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA19105 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:58:50 -0400 Received: from serendipity.res.cmu.edu (SERENDIPITY.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.144.14]) by smtp1.andrew.cmu.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id IAA07303; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:58:48 -0400 (EDT) Sender: jberkman@serendipity.res.cmu.edu To: Todd Wilson Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: panel slowing down References: <14278.11644.428218.414876@goedel.engr.csufresno.edu> From: Jacob Berkman Date: 27 Aug 1999 09:01:03 -0500 In-Reply-To: Todd Wilson's message of "Thu, 26 Aug 1999 23:17:32 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: <87lnaxiaqo.fsf@serendipity.res.cmu.edu> Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.6.45/XEmacs 21.1 - "Big Bend" Todd Wilson writes: > since seing his message, I've noticed that my panel is doing the same > thing -- now up to approximately 2 sec response time per click from an > originally almost neglible response time. I'm just wondering if > anyone's found the cause of this problem yet. Is this the pager, or the panel? I believe the earlier post was about the pager. Jacob -- "Me fail English? That's unpossible!" - R. Wiggum From qseep@berserker.lensflare.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 30826 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 14:08:52 -0000 Received: from berserker.lensflare.com (doubt.dimensional.com [206.124.12.193]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA10461 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:08:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (qseep@localhost) by berserker.lensflare.com (8.9.2/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA01975; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:08:18 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:08:18 -0600 (MDT) From: Quantum Seep Reply-To: qseep@iname.com To: "Kevin M. Mills" cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Future of panel menu In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Although I don't think it is relevant to the ideas in my page, I agree. One should be able to open a panel on any display desired. Have you tried setting the DISPLAY variable to something other than :0.0? You might need to embed it in one of the scripts starting GNOME. /-------- Quantum Seep, qseep@iname.com --- "The desire to be rewarded for one's creativity does not justify depriving the world in general of all or part of that creativity." - Richard Stallman On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Kevin M. Mills wrote: > On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Quantum Seep wrote: > > > I'd like anyone and everyone's feedback on the ideas put forth in my page. > > I didn't see mention of this in your document, and I apologize if this > seems irrelevant... but: > > Are there any plans to allow creating a panel on a display other than >:0.0? I run with a multi-head display and would love it if a 'Display' > property existed. > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Kevin Mills > kmills@europa.bellingham.wa.us > kmills@nas.com > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From tack@dok.org Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 10764 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 14:14:59 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 14:14:59 -0000 Received: from orion.dok.org (qmailr@ppp-187.m4-1.ssm.ican.net [206.248.78.187]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id KAA12490 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:14:57 -0400 Received: (qmail 10000 invoked by uid 500); 27 Aug 1999 14:29:16 -0000 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:29:15 -0400 From: Jason Tackaberry To: qseep@iname.com Cc: "Kevin M. Mills" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Future of panel menu Message-ID: <19990827102915.A9983@linux.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.96.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Quantum Seep on Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 08:08:18AM -0600 > > Are there any plans to allow creating a panel on a display other than > > :0.0? I run with a multi-head display and would love it if a 'Display' > > property existed. > > One should be able to open a panel on any display desired. Have you tried > setting the DISPLAY variable to something other than :0.0? You might need > to embed it in one of the scripts starting GNOME. I'd like to take this feature request one step further and ask that individual applets have the ability to display on remote panels. I'm sure this would require some CORBA magic, but I don't see why it couldn't be done. (In particular, I'd like to run gnomeicu on a machine that is not behind a firewall.) Jason. From csanner@winstar.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 15575 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 14:16:58 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 14:16:58 -0000 Received: from winstar.com (fw-1.winstar.com [207.86.108.130]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA13286 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:16:56 -0400 From: hitchhiker@cybermail.net Received: from cybermail.net (dhcp-vaa-1-183-106.winstar.com [10.1.183.106]) by winstar.com (8.9.2/8.9.1) with ESMTP id KAA24535 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:16:51 -0400 (EDT) Sender: csanner@winstar.com Message-ID: <37C69E46.1E62A9@cybermail.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:18:46 -0400 X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: [Fwd: too many problems.] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit blah...didn't go through... -------- Original Message -------- Subject: too many problems. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 17:39:35 -0400 From: csanner@winstar.com To: gnome-list@gnome.org I don't want to start off with finger pointing or name calling. I like gnome. I really do. I've just had too many system crashes in the last few weeks, and I'm tired of fscking my hard drive. I can't tell WHICH part of gnome it is, just that at random (approx. 24 hour) intervals, the system freezes. dies. completely. I can't telnet in, I can't even PING it. All I CAN tell is that it only happens while I'm running gnome. so I'm going to stop running gnome. and since I've discovered that blackbox has a dock of sorts, I'm not running enlightenment or windowmaker anymore either. I guess my question becomes this: I've really gotten to love my gnome applets. I've gotten to hate esound, so I don't care about that...but I need to find a good way to emulate certain of the applets, I'd be appreciative . I'm looking for a replacement for gnomeicu, in particular, and driver mount applets. thanks. -- _____________________________________________ Christopher Sanner WinStar Telecommunications Phone: (703) 889-6786 Junior Linux Systems Administrator Fax: (703) 889-6777 mailto:csanner@winstar.com The opposite of a trivial truth is plainly false. The opposite of a great truth is also true. -Niels Bohr From andrew@brighton-rock.freeserve.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 22408 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 15:01:10 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 15:01:10 -0000 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk (mail9.svr.pol.co.uk [195.92.193.22]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA27152 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:01:09 -0400 Received: from modem-236.lunar-wrasse.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.137.41.236] helo=localhost.localdomain) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11KNV6-000102-00 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:01:08 +0100 Received: (from andy@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA02250 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:01:12 GMT Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:01:12 +0000 From: Andrew Atkinson To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Best way to keep upto date? Message-ID: <19990827160112.A2235@heaven> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4us Hi I've been happily using Gnome for a while on RH5.2 + rpms provided on www.gnome.org. I'm aware that things have moved on and I want to keep upto date. 1. I've recently discovered (from postings to this list) "ftp.gurulabs.com". Does any one know if I could use the SRPMS on my RH5.2 system? 2. If I can't grab the srpms, which bits of gnome (gnome-*, lib*) are core? Should I remove the existing version before upgrading? Should I remove the settings in ~/.gnome before restarting gnome after an upgrade? Will running "./configure --prefix=/usr" ensure that anything I build from a tarball installs into /usr (which is where all my rpm stuff is).? Thanks in advance -Andrew From ask4it@bigfoot.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 12744 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 15:28:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 15:28:01 -0000 Received: from tinet0.redestb.es (tinet0.redestb.es [194.179.106.117]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02659 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:27:56 -0400 Received: from fclients1.redestb.es ([194.179.106.34]) by tinet0.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1 release PO203a ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA147 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:25:37 +0200 Received: from cheetah.darkland.es ([62.82.240.178]) by fclients1.redestb.es (Post.Office MTA v3.1.2 release (PO205-101c) ID# 0-0U10L2S100) with ESMTP id AAA149 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:25:31 +0200 Received: (from robe@localhost) by cheetah.darkland.es (8.9.3/8.9.3) id RAA01240 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:24:20 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 17:24:14 +0200 From: Roberto Suarez Soto To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Suggestion Message-ID: <19990827172414.A449@cheetah.darkland.es> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37C2C828.3CE70A20@cetelem.fr> <19990824200752.A1214@cheetah.darkland.es> <37C39F98.55716BFE@cetelem.fr> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <37C39F98.55716BFE@cetelem.fr> On Aug/25/1999, Jean Raymond Chauviere wrote: > OUAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIII ( enthousiastic approbation ) > Where I can find the procmail sources ? I'm sending you the README, which has several mirrors and info, by private email :-) But anyway, you can find it in every Debian mirror, under /pub/debian/dists/potato/main/source/mail, I think. It's the procmail-.orig.tar.gz file. -- Roberto Suarez Soto | I release thee. Go. mailto:ask4it@bigfoot.com | My servant you'll be, * Corgo - Lugo - Galicia - Spain | for all the time. From bob@cs.csoft.net Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 4278 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 16:10:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 16:10:19 -0000 Received: from cs.csoft.net (csoft.net [208.161.216.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA15302 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:10:17 -0400 From: bob@cs.csoft.net Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by cs.csoft.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id JAA14780; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:23:57 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 09:23:57 -0500 (CDT) To: James Aylett cc: gnome-list@gnome.org, recipient list not shown: ; Subject: Re: Problems, Ideas, Other In-Reply-To: <19990827134433.P23006@insigma.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, James Aylett wrote: > On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 11:56:18AM -0500, bob@cs.csoft.net wrote: > > > ESD: Why replace esd when all it needs is a little fixing up. Fix the code > > that generates the fuz in the sound and it will be great. > > Because esd is largely unmaintainable, and has a rather dubious internal > structure that makes it less extensible and gives it some fundamental > problems. Latency, I believe, is the one usually bandied around at this point. > Understood. > > Alarm Applet: why reinvent cron? > > Because cron doesn't integrate with the panel? Because new users don't 'get' > crontab? > Cromagnon > > GNOME-WM: Heven knows we dont need yet another WM. Finishing the WM > > Specification should remove the need for a GNOME WM. It will save alot of > > time and trouble making a GNOME WM. > > Every spec needs at least one testbed, though ... Yes, but there are already a lot of wm's out there that could be used as a testbed that are already done are close to it. > > > All that GNOME has over KDE now is: > > License (kinda) > > Languages > > Better design philosophy (IMHO). I think so too, but Since most distribs come with KDE, for most people, there will be less reasons to switch to gnome. GNOME needs to stand out again... > > James > > -- > /--------------------------------------------------------------------------\ > James Aylett www.zap.uk.eu.org > james@tartarus.org www.footlights.org > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 17900 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 16:47:29 -0000 Received: from xenon.neuges.net (xenon.neuges.net [194.250.170.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA26541 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:47:28 -0400 Received: from somewhere.xenon by somewhere.xenon (8.8.7/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA05949; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:45:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from somewhere.ctlmcof.fr by somewhere.ctlmcof.fr (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01497; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:47:13 +0200 (MET DST) Sender: Jean-Raymond.Chauviere@cetelem.fr Message-ID: <37C6C24F.48A9FF64@cetelem.fr> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:52:31 +0200 From: Jean Raymond Chauviere X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4u) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: James Aylett CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problems, Ideas, Other References: <19990827134433.P23006@insigma.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit > > > > All that GNOME has over KDE now is: > > License (kinda) > > Languages > > Better design philosophy (IMHO). > And speed, at least on a sun. from this point of view there is no comparaison between kfm and gmc. -- Nur der kleine Geist hält Ordnung, das Genie beherrscht das Chaos. Seuls les petits esprits aiment l'ordre, le génie maitrîse le chaos. (anonyme) From bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 2995 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 17:14:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 17:14:19 -0000 Received: from mirage.esiea.fr (root@mirage.esiea.fr [194.57.201.100]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA00641 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:14:18 -0400 Received: from phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (phoenix.linux.esiea.fr [194.57.201.13]) by mirage.esiea.fr (8.8.5-r-beta/8.8.5) with ESMTP id UAA11767 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:11:35 +0200 Received: from localhost (bklein@localhost) by phoenix.linux.esiea.fr (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA18642 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:14:16 +0200 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:14:16 +0200 (CET) From: Benjamin Klein-Fignier To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Problem during closing... the return ! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=X-UNKNOWN Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I found the solution.=20 Since I've updated Gnome to 1.0.9-9 (and library too), the session logout is smooth ! Thanks for your help Ben. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- /\_/\ Benjamin Klein-Fignier ( o o ) aka "FENNEC" NEWSMASTER @ ESIEA \ / Ecole Superieur d'Informatique Electronique Automatique /\ /\ bklein@alpha.esiea.fr / bklein@phoenix.linux.esiea.fr | =B0 | ICQ# 40123319 | . | "Par une nuit sans lune, baignant dans la lumiere et la chaleur du brasier dans la foret de Rambouillet" ---------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 23468 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 17:38:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 17:38:01 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA06890; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:37:55 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22604; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:39:22 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Craig Orsinger Cc: Federico Mena Quintero , gnome-announce-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnome-libs-1.0.14 is released References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 27 Aug 1999 12:39:22 -0500 In-Reply-To: Craig Orsinger's message of "Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:37:46 -0700 (PDT)" Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Is it necessary to rebuild all other GNOME packages for this to > work? I built this version, installed it, and the logout dialog no longer > worked. In addition, the pager and control center both left core files > regularly when I logged out. I even tried reinstalling the core and > control center packages (without recompiling), and it didn't help. > Re-installing gnome-libs version 1.0.12 fixed all this. no, you should not need to do this. Could you try to find out what happened? -- miguel@gnu.org From mario@p133.inode.at Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 27020 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 17:40:19 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 17:40:19 -0000 Received: from p133.inode.at (p133.inode.at [195.58.160.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07160 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:40:18 -0400 Received: from inode.at (line33.dialup.wien.inode.at [195.58.161.161]) by p133.inode.at (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA04947 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:40:13 +0200 Sender: mario@p133.inode.at Message-ID: <37C6CD9A.72FA6C80@inode.at> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:40:42 +0200 From: Mario Vukelic Reply-To: octopus@inode.at X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Contro-center 1.0.6: Doesn't save new windowmanager Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, in control-center 1.0.6 I can't add a new windowmanager. That is, I can add, but when I say ok and leave, its gone when I open it again. This is both as root and as user. When I switch back to 1.0.5, it's ok again. Anybody else with this problem? Oh, and I have gnome-libs 1.0.14 -- Mario Linux: The choice of a GNU generation From mario@p133.inode.at Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 31493 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 17:43:38 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 17:43:38 -0000 Received: from p133.inode.at (p133.inode.at [195.58.160.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA07648 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:43:37 -0400 Received: from inode.at (line33.dialup.wien.inode.at [195.58.161.161]) by p133.inode.at (8.8.5/8.6.9) with ESMTP id TAA05071 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:43:36 +0200 Sender: mario@p133.inode.at Message-ID: <37C6CE64.D08FDF8B@inode.at> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:44:04 +0200 From: Mario Vukelic Reply-To: octopus@inode.at X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.11 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: OT: How to get back gnome root-window clicks with enlightenment DR0.16-4? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi again, with enlightenment 0.15.5 i have gnome menus when right-clicking. With 0.16-4 the right mouse button has e-menus. Any ideas? Tanks a lot -- Mario Linux: The choice of a GNU generation From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 4666 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 17:46:15 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08005 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:46:09 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id MAA22636; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:48:10 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:48:10 -0500 Message-Id: <199908271748.MAA22636@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx> From: Miguel de Icaza To: gnome-list@gnome.org, federico@nuclecu.unam.mx Subject: Gnome Libraries 1.0.14 problems. X-Mexico: Este es un pais de orates, un pais amateur. Hello, I am trying to track down two bug reports on gnome-libs-1.0.14. Apparently after installation of this package various applications broke misteriously. My rough guess is that the people upgrading to 1.0.14 had an RPM-based installation and they compiled the GNOME libraries with --prefix set to /usr but forgot to change --sysconfigdir to point to /etc (this is what Dax and Red Hat rpms do). If you attempted to install 1.0.14 and found problems, could you please get in touch with me? Best wishes, Miguel. From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 10853 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 17:50:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 17:50:43 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA08481 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:50:43 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id NAA16137 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:50:59 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: [Fwd: too many problems.] Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:50:58 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 21 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <37C69E46.1E62A9@cybermail.net> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 935776258 16059 207.175.42.154 (27 Aug 1999 17:50:58 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 1999 17:50:58 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 27 Aug 1999 10:19:34 -0400, hitchhiker@cybermail.net wrote: >I don't want to start off with finger pointing or name calling. I like >gnome. I really do. I've just had too many system crashes in the last >few weeks, and I'm tired of fscking my hard drive. I can't tell WHICH >part of gnome it is, just that at random (approx. 24 hour) intervals, >the system freezes. dies. completely. I can't telnet in, I can't even >PING it. All I CAN tell is that it only happens while I'm running >gnome. GNOME doesn't crash the system, period. It may reveal bugs in the kernel or X server, but in itself it doesn't do anything to crash the system (and couldn't). You need to update your kernel and/or XFree86, and find out exactly what is causing the crashes. If you need help doing this, please contact me via private e-mail. -- Elliot The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering! From bob@cs.csoft.net Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 5552 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 18:03:44 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 18:03:44 -0000 Received: from cs.csoft.net (csoft.net [208.161.216.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA10458 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:03:43 -0400 From: bob@cs.csoft.net Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by cs.csoft.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA21719 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:17:20 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:17:20 -0500 (CDT) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: lib question Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I am about to write a graphical front end to diald to allow ppp to be setup and controled easily. Is there any plans to make gnome dependent on libglade? I would prefer to use it because it makes the application and applet more flexable and easier to code. But if I want to get it into gnome core, I need to find out about this... From miki@elledi.it Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 18316 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 18:12:07 -0000 Received: from ld.elledi.it (root@ld.elledi.it [193.76.102.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11743 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:12:06 -0400 Received: from piii450m (user4.elledi.it [193.76.102.104]) by ld.elledi.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24179; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:43:45 +0200 Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:43:45 +0200 From: michele mariottini Message-Id: <199908251643.SAA24179@ld.elledi.it> From miki@elledi.it Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 18379 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 18:12:09 -0000 Received: from ld.elledi.it (root@ld.elledi.it [193.76.102.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA11753 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:12:07 -0400 Received: from piii450m (user4.elledi.it [193.76.102.104]) by ld.elledi.it (8.6.12/8.6.9) with SMTP id SAA24301 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:48:55 +0200 Message-Id: <3.0.5.32.19990825183937.007a2dc0@elledi.it> X-Sender: miki@elledi.it X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Light Version 3.0.5 (32) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:39:37 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org From: Michele Mariottini Subject: Esd, gnome and soundcard Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Hi to all :) Before begin to show my problems, you should excuse me about my bad english lenguage. :( I've some little problems (one time ago they were big problem, after many usefull advices, and several long readings of howto, man pages, etc..., now they would seem more little), about, I guess, esd. I compiled the kernel 2.2.11, fully modular, enabling: - Sound Card Support (M) - OSS sound sodules (M) - Generic OPL2/OPL3 FM synthesizer support (M) - Support for Yamaha OPL3-SA2, SA3, and SAx based PnP cards (M) - SoftOSS software wave engine table (M) - FM synthesizer (YM3812/OPL3) support (M) The kernel now is correctly installed (I see it from /proc/version and dmesg, and /dev/sndstat, and others) I configured the sound card (Yamaha OPL3 SAx I've also w95 on my laptop - I found also the hardware pages on mirror of linux laptops), after the kernel ricompilation, with isapnp 1.18 : giving 'pnpdump > /etc/isapnp.conf' and edidting : '/etc/isapnp.conf' and after: '/etc/conf.modules' With command cat /proc/ioports - interrupts - dma , I can see that the resources are free and assigned at the sound modules. When I start the computer the kernel load correctly (without error messages) the sound, and midi modules, and with dmesg I can see also the the card is recongnized (without problems) and there are not conflicts between the resources assigned. Then, all seem OK, the card is ok, and the resources are ok, and the modules are OK. With cat /dev/sndstat the results are : ---------- OSS/Free:3.8s2++-971130 Load type: Driver loaded as module Kernel: Linux 193.76.102.2 2.2.11 # mer ago 11 09:25:31 CEST 1999 :586 Config options: 0 Installed drivers: Card config: Audio devices: 0: MS Sound System (CS4231) (DUPLEX) Synt devices: 0: Yamaha OPL3 Midi devices: 0: MPU-401 0.0 Midi interface #1 Timers: 0: System clock 1: MS Sound System (CS4231) Mixers: 0: OPL-3SAx and AD1848 (thruogh MSS) 1: MS Sound System (CS4231) ----------- I don't kown because there are some empty fields (maybe it's modular) ... but it seems ok .... or not ??? With lsmod: -------------- nsfd 149984 8 autoclean opl3 11208 0 opl3as2 3720 0 ad1848 15824 0 [opl3sa2] mpu401 18448 0 [opl3sa2] Sound 56364 0 [opl3 ad1848 mpu401] Soundcore 2148 7 [Sound] --------------- It seems ok ... maybe there is not Soundlow ??!?! BTW If I try to play with (as the soundhowto tell me): cat /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/audio ... It sounds clean and regular cat /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/dsp ... It sounds, but the sound it is not regular and clean (grrgrgrgrgr ... it's a noise) cat /usr/share/sounds/error.wav > /dev/dsp ... It sounds clean and regular BTW If I try to play with esd: esdplay /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/audio ... It sounds clean and regular esdplay /usr/share/afterstep/desktop/sounds/bong.au > /dev/dsp ... It sounds clean and regular Now I try to load esd from console: #esd The laptop go in stall (it freeze itself a system block) ... abs to unblock the machine I must to push the on/off interuttor !!!! :((((( If I enable the gnome sound (so it start esd), when gnome is almost ready (completly loaded) the machine freeze (go in block) and I must turn off with the interruttor on/off !!!!! :(((( The cd play, but it should be normal. I must disabled gnome sound , so esd remains quite !! :((( Where is the probs, there are 2 months I' m trying to change card config, ioports, etc........ BTW now I've learned a little bit more about linux and the machine, is the only advantage !! :) How can I solve this situation, where is the problems ???? bye, and excuse my long email :(((( miki :) From lupus@lettere.unipd.it Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 27774 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 19:28:37 -0000 Received: from esopo.lettere.unipd.it (qmailr@esopo.lettere.unipd.it [147.162.44.3]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id PAA28131 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:28:36 -0400 Received: (qmail 31842 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 19:33:56 -0000 Received: from liv12.lettere.unipd.it (HELO ciccio.wolf.it) (mail@147.162.42.12) by esopo.lettere.unipd.it with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 19:33:56 -0000 Received: from lupus by ciccio.wolf.it with local (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11KQ2G-00009Q-00; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:43:32 -0700 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 10:43:32 -0700 From: Paolo Molaro To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak Message-ID: <19990827104332.J187@lettere.unipd.it> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org References: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.3i In-Reply-To: ; from Erik Walthinsen on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 01:43:16PM -0700 On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 01:43:16PM -0700, Erik Walthinsen wrote: > There is a program in CVS called gspeech that does just that. It's not > very polished, but it does use festival to speak buttons and whatnot. > > Both the cool thing about it and the problem is that it runs as a GTK > plugin. That means all you have to to do enable an app to use speech > output is add --gtk-module=gspeech to the commandline of the program. > That's it. Where that breaks down is the simple fact that all > applications are going to have different requirements when it comes to > speaking to the user. There is no such information available in GTK. Well, gtk+ provides a lot with its signal system. Basically all the things that trigger a signal emission can be converted to a useful speech or audio feedback: this covers 90+% of what is happening in a gtk+ application. The problem is completely different if you're trying to "drive" the application with voice commands. > I would propose that Gtk+ be extended to make it easier to tie in the bits > of information that are needed to properly describe a GUI in terms of > voice control and output, and probably extend Glade and libglade to set up > all this information. Some extensions may be needed, but the things really important are good design and extensive use of the signal system for me. For voice control you may need additional information. The single thing that is most needed by both of us, though, is a way to know the language used in the labels etc.: maybe we can define a convention that in each toplevel there is a "__language" data? The value should not be translated, but changed, ie: gtk_object_set_data(GTK_OBJECT(toplevel_window), "__language", _("english")); will be "translated" to: "italian", "french" and so on... This way we can use the proper voice/dictionary... lupus -- lupus@debian.org Se devo emigrare in America, come mio nonno, prendo il tram! [F.G.] If I have to emigrate to America, like my grandfather, I'll take the tram. From hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 30227 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 19:29:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 19:29:25 -0000 Received: from roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (root@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de [141.19.1.71]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA28243 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:29:22 -0400 Received: from racer.hawlisch.de (root@dial-in35.rz.uni-mannheim.de [134.155.18.35]) by roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de (8.8.8/8.8.8/luzian) with ESMTP id VAA53204 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:29:04 +0100 Received: from localhost by racer via sendmail with smtp id (Debian Smail3.2.0.102) for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:34:25 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:34:25 +0200 (CEST) From: Martin Hawlisch X-Sender: martin@racer.hawlisch.de To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-games/xbill Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi! The current CVS version of gnome-games stops building at: (...) make[3]: Entering directory `/opt/cvsroot/gnome/gnome-games/xbill' c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/opt/gnome/include -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/opt/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include -DGNOMELOCALDIR=\""/opt/gnome/share/local"\" -I/usr/X11R6/include -I/usr/lib/glib/include -g -O2 -c x11-gtk.cc x11-gtk.cc:30: initialization to `void *' from `const char *' discards qualifiers make[3]: *** [x11-gtk.o] Error 1 (...) Can this be a problem of the latest c++ compiler? $ c++ --version 2.95.1 Is there maybe a CFLAG that can solve it? I'm running a up-to-date DEBIAN potato i386. Cheers, Martin. _ _ _ _ ___ _ _ _ | V | /_\ |_) | ||\ | |_| /_\\ /| |(_'/ |_| | |( )| \ | || \| | |( )\/\/ |_ | _)\_ | | http://freddy.rz.fh-mannheim.de/~hawlisch/index.html mailto:hawlisch@roxi.rz.fh-mannheim.de Reply hazy, ask again later. From lobo@pop03.pub01 Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 7520 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 19:36:15 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 19:36:15 -0000 Received: from pop03.pub01 (pop03.mail.com [165.251.32.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id PAA29206 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:36:14 -0400 Received: from email.com (ch01m27.alp.sol.com.br [200.211.248.155]) by pop03.pub01 (8.9.1/8.9.1) with ESMTP id PAA19818; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:36:05 -0400 (EDT) Sender: lobo@pop03.pub01 Message-ID: <37C6E6EA.A6ED2A12@email.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:28:43 -0300 From: Daniel Serodio X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rodney Cardenas CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Installing Gnome as root References: <4.2.0.58.19990826144408.00a50360@ernie.allied.avnet.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Rodney Cardenas wrote: > > I am having a problem running Gnome outside of the root account! If I am > logged in as root there is no problem, but when I log in as a regular user > it starts up with the standard fvwm95 gui. I downloaded the RPMS from the > Gnome site and followed the instructions on > "www.gnome.org/start/getting_sh.shtml". Did I do something wrong??? You forgot to mention whether you're loggin in via xdm, gdm or console. If it's via the console, your best guess it doing "echo exec gnome-session > ~.xinitrc" -- []'s | .^. Daniel Serodio (lobo on irc) | /V\ www.linux.org dserodio@email.com | // \\ www.gnu.org | /( )\ www.gnome.org | ^^-^^ From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 14809 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 20:07:08 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 20:07:08 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00199 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:07:07 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA15274; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:08:56 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Paul Seelig Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnumeric 0.32 has been released References: <199908222215.RAA23058@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <87k8qn7307.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:08:55 -0500 In-Reply-To: Paul Seelig's message of "23 Aug 1999 02:30:00 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 10 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > There have been over one thousand changes since last release as > diffstat reveals: WOW! And the best part for me is that it finally > can save in LaTeX2e format so that i don't have to rely on "slsc" or > "teapot" anymore. :-) oh, that is correct. I had forgotten about that :-) -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 15350 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 20:07:26 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00219 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:07:25 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16176; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:09:16 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Paul Seelig Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Gnumeric 0.32 has been released References: <199908222215.RAA23058@erandi.nuclecu.unam.mx> <87hflpfihi.fsf@localhost.zdv.uni-mainz.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:09:16 -0500 In-Reply-To: Paul Seelig's message of "24 Aug 1999 14:52:57 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 11 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > Hmm, if i'm not completely mistaken there is currently no undo > functionality in gnumeric. This is no good thing so far... Am i > overlooking the obvious again or is it just not implemented at this > stage of development? No undo correctly, but I am on the case. Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 16092 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 20:07:57 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 20:07:57 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00288 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:07:56 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA16910; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:09:54 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Olaf Grüttner Cc: gnome-list Subject: Re: feature idea (graphical pipes?) References: <37C16957.3045E4D5@tu-bs.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:09:54 -0500 In-Reply-To: Olaf Grüttner's message of "Mon, 23 Aug 1999 17:31:36 +0200" Message-ID: Lines: 15 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > I just had an idea for a cool feature for the gnome-desktop. > > graphical pipes !!! > > while on the console it is easily possible to design a useful pipe with > find | tail | sort | uniq | grep | lpr and so on .... :-) it is not > possible to do that in a rather graphical user-friendly way. You could use Bonobo + some of the work done on Gnoghurt to implement this. miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From hgebel@ns1.inet.net Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 23524 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 20:12:33 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 20:12:33 -0000 Received: from ns1.inet.net (ns1.inet.net [199.233.93.51]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00739 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:12:32 -0400 Received: from inet.net (inetc001c-4-18.9.96.206.in-addr.arpa [206.96.9.168]) by ns1.inet.net (8.8.5/Relay.Free.ISP) with ESMTP id QAA28240 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:12:16 -0400 (EDT) Sender: hgebel@ns1.inet.net Message-ID: <37C6F099.E8BFC8@inet.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:10:01 -0400 From: Harry Henry Gebel Organization: Dodd Dental Laboratories X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10-2 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Gnome-terminal problem with less Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, With xterm and early versions of gnome-terminal I noticed that with less and other programs that use it such as man the output from less would go away when you exited the program, returning the screen to the state it was in when less ran. Then at some point after gnome 1.0 was released it started behaving in a better manner, leaving the output from less on the screen. However, it has now returned to it's old behavior, and I would like to get it to leave the output from less on the screen again. I am using gnome-core 1.0.9 and gnome-libs 1.0.12 . Unfortunatly I am not aware at what version it began behaving the way I like or at what version it when back to behaving in the way I don't like. Can anyone tell me how to fix this behavior? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 West Dover Hundred, Delaware ---------------------------------------------------------------------- From miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 24095 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 20:12:55 -0000 Received: from metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (miguel@metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx [132.248.29.92]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA00790 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:12:54 -0400 Received: (from miguel@localhost) by metropolis.nuclecu.unam.mx (8.8.7/8.8.7) id PAA24748; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:14:58 -0500 Sender: miguel@nuclecu.unam.mx To: Jason Tackaberry Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Why is Bonobo better than KOM/OpenParts? References: <19990825190252.B7862@linux.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Miguel de Icaza Date: 27 Aug 1999 15:14:58 -0500 In-Reply-To: Jason Tackaberry's message of "Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:02:52 -0400" Message-ID: Lines: 27 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070075 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.75) XEmacs/20.4 (Emerald) > I've been reading a bit about OpenParts, and a bit about Bonobo, and they both > sound excellent and very promising. So now I'm challenging the Bonobo > developers (who hopefully know at least the little bit I know about OpenParts) > to explain how (or if?) Bonobo is better than OpenParts. Bonobo is designed to be simple to implement, here are some of the key features in this regard: * Simple base class (only 3 methods for providing garbage collection and dynamic discovery of services). * Everything is based on single inheritance. * the Gtk-based implementation uses Gtk objects to represent CORBA servers. * Many concepts are grabbed from OLE2 (Object linking and embedding). * Doing non-C or non-GTK+ based implementations of Bonobo is simple, as there is little to implement. best wishes, Miguel. -- miguel@gnu.org From sopwith@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 9527 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 20:30:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 20:30:06 -0000 Received: from stan.redhat.com (stan.redhat.com [199.183.24.231]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id QAA03046 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:30:06 -0400 Received: (from news@localhost) by stan.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) id QAA17498 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:30:23 -0400 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Path: sopwith From: sopwith@redhat.com (Elliot Lee) Newsgroups: gated.gnome-list Subject: Re: Contro-center 1.0.6: Doesn't save new windowmanager Date: 27 Aug 1999 20:30:23 GMT Organization: Red Hat Software Lines: 38 Distribution: gated Message-ID: References: <37C6CD9A.72FA6C80@inode.at> NNTP-Posting-Host: lacrosse.corp.redhat.com X-Trace: stan.redhat.com 935785823 17490 207.175.42.154 (27 Aug 1999 20:30:23 GMT) X-Complaints-To: abuse@redhat.com NNTP-Posting-Date: 27 Aug 1999 20:30:23 GMT User-Agent: slrn/0.9.5.4 (UNIX) On 27 Aug 1999 13:53:43 -0400, Mario Vukelic wrote: >in control-center 1.0.6 I can't add a new windowmanager. That is, I can >add, but when I say ok and leave, its gone when I open it again. This is >both as root and as user. When I switch back to 1.0.5, it's ok again. >Anybody else with this problem? Oh, and I have gnome-libs 1.0.14 I think this should be fixed now: Checking in ChangeLog; /cvs/gnome/control-center/ChangeLog,v <-- ChangeLog new revision: 1.215; previous revision: 1.214 done Checking in capplets/gnome-edit-properties/gnome-edit-properties.c; /cvs/gnome/control-center/capplets/gnome-edit-properties/gnome-edit-properties.c,v <-- gnome-edit-properties.c new revision: 1.15; previous revision: 1.14 done Checking in control-center/capplet-widget-libs.c; /cvs/gnome/control-center/control-center/capplet-widget-libs.c,v <-- capplet-widget-libs.c new revision: 1.25; previous revision: 1.24 done Checking in control-center/capplet-widget-libs.h; /cvs/gnome/control-center/control-center/capplet-widget-libs.h,v <-- capplet-widget-libs.h new revision: 1.9; previous revision: 1.8 done Checking in control-center/capplet-widget.c; /cvs/gnome/control-center/control-center/capplet-widget.c,v <-- capplet-widget.c new revision: 1.21; previous revision: 1.20 done Thanks for reporting the problem! In the future, it's preferable to use the GNOME bug tracking system (via the 'gnomebug' script). -- Elliot The time for action is past! Now is the time for senseless bickering! From bogadofuture@openlink.com.br Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 28135 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 22:15:39 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 22:15:39 -0000 Received: from ol24-245 (ol24-245.openlink.com.br [200.240.24.245]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id SAA01165 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:15:36 -0400 Received: from openlink.com.br (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ol24-245 (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA13308 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:15:29 -0300 Sender: bogado@ol24-245 Message-ID: <37C70DFE.7DD61271@openlink.com.br> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:15:26 -0300 From: Victor Bogado da Silva Lins X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-22 i686) X-Accept-Language: pt-BR, pt, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Simplifying package installation. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Derek Simkowiak wrote: > > > > This rocks. Great idea! If none of the recognized package > > > systems is installed, the installer can default it to a .tar.gz and > > > install it wherever the user wants (and has permission to). > > > > Is that libc5, libc6, gnome in /opt, do they have the other bits you > > need ? > > > > tar.gz doesnt even have signatures. > [...] > > I think you've missed 40 or 50 major ones before that. Like authentication, > > dependancies, platform, OS, .. > > I agree: falling back to .tar.gz means there is no package > management at all. > > The goal was to use the "native" package management system for the > O.S. that the application was being installed on. So if I'm on a Redhat > system, I can uninstall gnumeric with a command like "rpm -ev gnumeric", > and Gnome applications would show up in my app database along with all the > other non-Gnome apps. > > But if the O.S. does not have a package management > system/database, should Gnome be required to provide one for it? That is, > if the system does not provide a package management system that has > authentication, dependencies, etc. should Gnome be required to have a > package manage system of its own to fall back on? Something other than > .tar.gz? > > More to the point: should the package management system be part > of Gnome or part of the O.S.? > > Since people will install applications other than just Gnome > applications, I would say the package management should be part of the > O.S., not part of Gnome. > > If some crappy-ass Unix variant doesn't have a package database > that provides all the features of an RPM or DEB system, and the "Gnome > Installer" falls back to .tar.gz as a last resort, then that is the fault > of the O.S., not the fault of Gnome. I still think .tar.gz is a good > fallback. I think that gnome could implement a gnome-package management. This GPM would be able to register programs/files with the base OS via a CORBA object. I see it this way : gnumeric.gpm --> gnome package manager --> corba interface--> rpm (Red hat) gnumeric.gpm --> gnome package manager --> corba inteface --> deb (debian) When I try to uninstall I would use the usual way of uninstall or use a gnome interface to it. I don't know RPM or debian packages in deep, but I imagine that both keep basicly the same info in their package dbs. So the GPM would just have to be able to store/retrieve this information from the local package manager via a corba object. And the GPM could have a generic package management corba object so that in systems that don't have a package management could still install GPM files. Advantages I see: - The local package management is invisible from the end user. - GPM packages would be installed in any package management suported, this means that it would be able to use only one type of package for gnome apps. Please comment. :-) -- "You take the red pill and you stay in wonderland, and I'll show you how deep the rabit hole goes", Morpheus. []'s Victor Bogado da Silva Lins From bob@cs.csoft.net Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 21000 invoked from network); 27 Aug 1999 23:00:43 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 27 Aug 1999 23:00:43 -0000 Received: from cs.csoft.net (csoft.net [208.161.216.110]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id TAA11697 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:00:41 -0400 From: bob@cs.csoft.net Received: from localhost (bob@localhost) by cs.csoft.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA13178 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:14:25 -0500 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:14:25 -0500 (CDT) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GDIALDC Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII I have thrown together a quick applet that can control diald. My next plan is to make a simple program to setup diald. I think diald will solve some of the dial up problems gnome is having. It will also allow auto dialing. :) You can get it at http://www.thestuff.net/file/gdialdc/ I do not have diald on my main computer (I have it on my gateway) so I havent been able to really test it. (Actually, it just writes to dialds named pipe so there is not much to test). Could someone run it for me and see if it works like it should? From mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 22093 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 00:31:54 -0000 Received: from admin.cgocable.net (admin.cgocable.net [24.226.1.21]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA11404 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:31:49 -0400 Received: from cgocable.net (mlepage@cgowave-19-128.cgocable.net [24.226.19.128]) by admin.cgocable.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA16976 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:32:15 -0400 (EDT) Sender: mlepage@admin.cgocable.net Message-ID: <37C73F48.E5B63F1@cgocable.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:45:44 -0400 From: SEGV Organization: NAND Industries X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak References: <37C2D108.9F631C9B@nettaxi.com> <19990827104332.J187@lettere.unipd.it> <37C73F12.6E898CF5@cgocable.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Paolo Molaro wrote: > > > > On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 01:43:16PM -0700, Erik Walthinsen wrote: > > > There is a program in CVS called gspeech that does just that. It's not > > > very polished, but it does use festival to speak buttons and whatnot. > > > > > > Both the cool thing about it and the problem is that it runs as a GTK > > > plugin. That means all you have to to do enable an app to use speech > > > output is add --gtk-module=gspeech to the commandline of the program. > > > That's it. Where that breaks down is the simple fact that all > > > applications are going to have different requirements when it comes to > > > speaking to the user. There is no such information available in GTK. > > > > Well, gtk+ provides a lot with its signal system. Basically all > > the things that trigger a signal emission can be converted to > > a useful speech or audio feedback: this covers 90+% of what is happening > > in a gtk+ application. The problem is completely different if you're > > trying to "drive" the application with voice commands. > > > > > I would propose that Gtk+ be extended to make it easier to tie in the bits > > > of information that are needed to properly describe a GUI in terms of > > > voice control and output, and probably extend Glade and libglade to set up > > > all this information. > > > > Some extensions may be needed, but the things really important are > > good design and extensive use of the signal system for me. For voice > > control you may need additional information. > > The single thing that is most needed by both of us, though, is a way > > to know the language used in the labels etc.: maybe we can define a > > convention that in each toplevel there is a "__language" data? > > The value should not be translated, but changed, ie: > > > > gtk_object_set_data(GTK_OBJECT(toplevel_window), "__language", _("english")); > > > > will be "translated" to: "italian", "french" and so on... > > This way we can use the proper voice/dictionary... The problem is far more complicated than that. Ever see a blind person use a computer? Their needs are more complex, and what's the point of adding voice output to a computer system if it doesn't free you to not look at the screen? For example, what happens when I am skipping through menus faster than they are being read? How quickly can I turn it off if my phone rings? Can I replay the last few messages because I was distracted? -- SEGV - http://www.cgocable.net/~mlepage/ Features Minion real-time strategy game, RTS game programming info, GTK+ tutorial, etc. From ser@perio.unlp.edu.ar Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 8190 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 00:38:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 00:38:28 -0000 Received: from perio.unlp.edu.ar (root@perio.unlp.edu.ar [163.10.16.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA13515; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:38:24 -0400 Received: from speedy.perio.unlp.edu.ar ([163.10.16.11]) by perio.unlp.edu.ar (8.9.3/8.8.7) with SMTP id WAA05067; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:10:22 GMT From: "Sergio A. Kessler" Message-Id: Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:45:12 -0300 X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Correo Fácil To: gnome-list@gnome.org, webmaster@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Subject: gnotices wishes Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8Bit a) can the "post article" and "search" links be moved on top horizontally so you gain a lot of space to the left ? b) can the font of software apps be bigger ? (they look lost ...) Sergio From itp@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 13246 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 00:40:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 00:40:01 -0000 Received: from geodesic.foof.org (mail@GEODESIC.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.144.79]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14080 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:40:00 -0400 Received: from itp by geodesic.foof.org with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11KWXA-0003bb-00; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:39:52 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:39:52 -0400 From: Ian Peters To: Harry Henry Gebel Cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Gnome-terminal problem with less Message-ID: <19990827203952.A13740@geodesic.foof.org> Reply-To: Ian Peters Mail-Followup-To: Harry Henry Gebel , "gnome-list@gnome.org" References: <37C6F099.E8BFC8@inet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.7i In-Reply-To: <37C6F099.E8BFC8@inet.net> On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 04:10:01PM -0400, Harry Henry Gebel wrote: > Hello, > With xterm and early versions of gnome-terminal I noticed that with > less and other programs that use it such as man the output from less > would go away when you exited the program, returning the screen to the > state it was in when less ran. Then at some point after gnome 1.0 was > released it started behaving in a better manner, leaving the output from > less on the screen. However, it has now returned to it's old behavior, > and I would like to get it to leave the output from less on the screen > again. I am using gnome-core 1.0.9 and gnome-libs 1.0.12 . Unfortunatly > I am not aware at what version it began behaving the way I like or at > what version it when back to behaving in the way I don't like. Can > anyone tell me how to fix this behavior? I'm no expert, but as I understand it this has a lot more to do with your TERM environment variable than with the xterm/rxvt/gnome-terminal/eterm/footerm/coolasstermwiththegadgets. I dunno if this helps, wish I could tell you more. If I'm wrong, someone kick my ass and tell me so, ok? :-) -- Ian Peters | GnuPG Key ID 5C23D20C | "They shout about love but when push itp@gnu.org | E584 2558 FAC3 BEAB EFAC | comes to shove, they live for things itp@acm.org | FC74 CFED 7E24 5C23 D20C | they're afraid of." -- Neal Peart From itp@gnu.org Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 17834 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 00:41:42 -0000 Received: from geodesic.foof.org (mail@GEODESIC.RES.CMU.EDU [128.2.144.79]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id UAA14692 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:41:42 -0400 Received: from itp by geodesic.foof.org with local (Exim 3.03 #1 (Debian)) id 11KWYT-0003c9-00; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:41:13 -0400 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:41:13 -0400 From: Ian Peters To: Martin Hawlisch Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-games/xbill Message-ID: <19990827204112.B13740@geodesic.foof.org> Reply-To: Ian Peters Mail-Followup-To: Martin Hawlisch , gnome-list@gnome.org References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii User-Agent: Mutt/0.95.7i In-Reply-To: On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 11:34:25PM +0200, Martin Hawlisch wrote: > > Hi! > > The current CVS version of gnome-games stops building at: > (...) > make[3]: Entering directory `/opt/cvsroot/gnome/gnome-games/xbill' > c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I/opt/gnome/include > -DNEED_GNOMESUPPORT_H -I/opt/gnome/lib/gnome-libs/include > -I/usr/lib/glib/include -I/usr/X11R6/include > -DGNOMELOCALDIR=\""/opt/gnome/share/local"\" -I/usr/X11R6/include > -I/usr/lib/glib/include -g -O2 -c x11-gtk.cc > x11-gtk.cc:30: initialization to `void *' from `const char *' discards > qualifiers > make[3]: *** [x11-gtk.o] Error 1 > (...) > > Can this be a problem of the latest c++ compiler? > $ c++ --version > 2.95.1 > > Is there maybe a CFLAG that can solve it? > > I'm running a up-to-date DEBIAN potato i386. > > Cheers, Martin. This is a gcc-2.95.blah problem with the GNOME libraries. I haven't figured out who's at fault yet, but I'm looking at it. Ok, I lie, I'm not looking at it now, and I probably won't until tomorrow or Sunday. But I intend to... :-) -- Ian Peters | GnuPG Key ID 5C23D20C | "They shout about love but when push itp@gnu.org | E584 2558 FAC3 BEAB EFAC | comes to shove, they live for things itp@acm.org | FC74 CFED 7E24 5C23 D20C | they're afraid of." -- Neal Peart From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 25741 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 01:01:27 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 01:01:27 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA21530 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:01:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA08596; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:12:14 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:12:14 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: bob@cs.csoft.net cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lib question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII If you want to get a libglade based applet into gnome-core, you should talk with the maintainers about this. It may be better to put it in gnome-applets (which has been split off from gnome-core for the 1.1 series). It will probably just require an extra check in configure, and conditionally compile your applet based on that check. James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 27 Aug 1999 bob@cs.csoft.net wrote: > I am about to write a graphical front end to diald to allow ppp to be > setup and controled easily. Is there any plans to make gnome dependent on > libglade? I would prefer to use it because it makes the application and > applet more flexable and easier to code. But if I want to get it into > gnome core, I need to find out about this... > > > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From james@daa.com.au Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 11310 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 01:11:06 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 01:11:06 -0000 Received: from quoll.daa.com.au (james@[203.17.251.129]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA24465 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:11:01 -0400 Received: from localhost (james@localhost) by quoll.daa.com.au (8.9.2/8.9.2) with SMTP id JAA08635; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:21:47 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:21:47 +0800 (WST) From: James Henstridge To: Harry Henry Gebel cc: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Gnome-terminal problem with less In-Reply-To: <37C6F099.E8BFC8@inet.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII That is an xterm feature (a second screen buffer) that console applications can request. The ZvtTerm widget is just implementing the feature. Since the ZvtTerm widget aims to be xterm compatible, it also implements the second buffer. Try less with a normal xterm, and you will see that it does the same thing. You will probably also notice that a few other programs use this, such as console mode vim. If you don't want less to use the second buffer, get the source, comment out the appropriate bit of code and recompile it (there may be a configure switch to do this -- I have not checked). James. -- Email: james@daa.com.au WWW: http://www.daa.com.au/~james/ On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Harry Henry Gebel wrote: > Hello, > With xterm and early versions of gnome-terminal I noticed that with > less and other programs that use it such as man the output from less > would go away when you exited the program, returning the screen to the > state it was in when less ran. Then at some point after gnome 1.0 was > released it started behaving in a better manner, leaving the output from > less on the screen. However, it has now returned to it's old behavior, > and I would like to get it to leave the output from less on the screen > again. I am using gnome-core 1.0.9 and gnome-libs 1.0.12 . Unfortunatly > I am not aware at what version it began behaving the way I like or at > what version it when back to behaving in the way I don't like. Can > anyone tell me how to fix this behavior? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > Harry Henry Gebel ICQ# 43675297 > West Dover Hundred, Delaware > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > From dansherryn@juno.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 12889 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 01:11:25 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 01:11:25 -0000 Received: from m9.boston.juno.com (m9.boston.juno.com [205.231.100.195]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA24616 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:11:25 -0400 Received: (from dansherryn@juno.com) by m9.boston.juno.com (queuemail) id EJ3RYALK; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:09:58 EDT To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Please help me figure out how to get my account straight for this newsgroup Message-ID: <19990827.190720.599.0.dansherryn@juno.com> X-Mailer: Juno 1.49 X-Juno-Line-Breaks: 3-5,13-17 From: Daniel P Hensley Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:09:58 EDT I've sent several requests for help on this (both to gnome-list and gnome-list-request), but so far no responses. Could someone tell me how to contact the list maintainer? Right now I'm subscribed to this newsgroup from two different accounts: dan.hensley@worldnet.att.net dansherryn@juno.com The first one is giving me the problems. I was able to subscribe about a week ago. Then not long after (I have no idea what happened), my posts would not show up. And anything I sent to gnome-list-request didn't give a reply. Basically I'm stuck because I can receive mail from the list, but everything I send goes into a black hole. I don't get ANYTHING back--no bounced mails, no rejected e-mail messages, NOTHING. I can't unsubscribe, and I can't post. I'd really like to use this e-mail account and unsubscribe my Juno account, but I can't. Please help! Dan ___________________________________________________________________ Get the Internet just the way you want it. Free software, free e-mail, and free Internet access for a month! Try Juno Web: http://dl.www.juno.com/dynoget/tagj. From sjh@keg.ucf.ics.uci.edu Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 13093 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 01:27:05 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 01:27:05 -0000 Received: from zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu (zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu [128.195.23.150]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id VAA29833 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:27:05 -0400 Message-Id: <199908280127.VAA29833@mail.redhat.com> Received: (qmail 23189 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 01:26:58 -0000 Received: from keg.ucf.ics.uci.edu (128.195.23.2) by zima.ucf.ics.uci.edu with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 01:26:58 -0000 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: sjh@ucf.ics.uci.edu Subject: building on solaris Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:26:58 -0700 From: Seth Hettich I see this all the time, so I'm not sure it's really a gnome issue, but I think it's relevant. Under Solaris, when you link with "-L..." you need a matching "-R..." (most of the time). The config scripts (like glib-config) never seems to do this. I'm not sure how they get made... is there a simple way to fix this? -Seth From harinath@cs.umn.edu Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 28868 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 01:51:34 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 01:51:34 -0000 Received: from tiberius.cs.umn.edu (root@mail.cs.umn.edu [128.101.229.42]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id VAA05372 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 21:51:33 -0400 Received: from galaxy.cs.umn.edu (harinath@galaxy.cs.umn.edu [160.94.120.43]) by tiberius.cs.umn.edu (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA07415; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:51:31 -0500 (CDT) Received: (from harinath@localhost) by galaxy.cs.umn.edu (8.9.1/8.9.0) id UAA01847; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:51:31 -0500 (CDT) Sender: harinath@cs.umn.edu To: Daniel Serodio Cc: "David C. Mason" , gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Once more into the breach. References: <37BB41BA.27972524@email.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii From: Raja R Harinath Date: 27 Aug 1999 20:51:30 -0500 In-Reply-To: Daniel Serodio's message of "Wed, 18 Aug 1999 20:28:58 -0300" Message-ID: Lines: 31 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070096 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.96) Emacs/20.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Daniel Serodio writes: > "David C. Mason" wrote: > > Gnomers, > > > > It is time once again to give you hell. Don't be offended, its my > > job. Young and old, smart and dumb, hackers and non-hackers can all > > reap the benefits of a well documented API so I am here to ask you > > again... Please help out with the GNOME API documentation! > > > > There is much to do and much to learn. We need all that is said upon > > the page of status: http://developer.gnome.org/doc/API/api-status.html > > and more. [snip] > I would like to help, but I still can't get DocBook quite > right. As someone on this (gnome-list) list already suggested, it > would be nice if someone made a RPM with DocBook and its libraries > and stuff. Ah, the irony :-) Till now, many people didn't use DocBook since the relevant "convenience" tools were available only in RPM form. Check out http://sourceware.cygnus.com/docbook-tools/ for DocBook RPMs. -- Raja R Harinath ------------------------------ harinath@cs.umn.edu "When all else fails, read the instructions." -- Cahn's Axiom "Our policy is, when in doubt, do the right thing." -- Roy L Ash From linuxdude@worldnet.att.net Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 9078 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 02:18:53 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 02:18:53 -0000 Received: from mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id WAA14877 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:18:53 -0400 Received: from danlinux.sdrc.com ([63.14.57.123]) by mtiwmhc04.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with SMTP id <19990828021821.RGMF15925@danlinux.sdrc.com> for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:18:21 +0000 From: Dan Hensley To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: test Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 20:16:36 -0600 X-Mailer: KMail [version 1.0.17] Content-Type: text/plain MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <99082720164803.12205@danlinux.sdrc.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-KMail-Mark: From dev@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 24886 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 04:32:26 -0000 Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id AAA30518 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:32:25 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.14.54.60]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990828043154.TNWF24199@worldnet.att.net> for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 04:31:54 +0000 Sender: dev@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C765DC.4763D878@worldnet.att.net> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 22:30:20 -0600 From: Development X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: test 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From dennisb@cs.chalmers.se Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 12914 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 06:54:11 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 06:54:11 -0000 Received: from animal.cs.chalmers.se (animal.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.30]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id CAA17128 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:54:09 -0400 Received: from cs.chalmers.se (muppet56.cs.chalmers.se [129.16.225.157]) by animal.cs.chalmers.se (8.8.5/8.8.5) with ESMTP id IAA05341 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:53:59 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908280653.IAA05341@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:53:56 +0200 (MET DST) From: Dennis Bj|rklund Subject: gnome-print To: gnome-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII I can't get gnome-print (0.4) to work. Or more specifik, it's gnumeric that I want and since it needs gnome-print I can't use it. Gnumeric 0.27 works but I wan't a newer version. I try to run the gnome-font-install with every posible permutation of argument and paths to fonts. But it always complains that I have no times font. I basicly have a RedHat 6.0 system. And I downloaded the URW fonts but I could not get this to work. -- /Dennis From hfeier@mail.dnttm.ro Fri May 12 00:03:45 2000 Received: (qmail 21591 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 09:38:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 09:38:50 -0000 Received: from terminus.dnttm.ro (root@terminus.dnttm.ro [193.226.98.11]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA10692 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 05:38:47 -0400 Received: from hfeier (ppp144.dnttm.ro [193.231.207.17]) by terminus.dnttm.ro (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id MAA09679 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:38:40 +0300 Message-ID: <000c01bef18b$5816f400$11cfe7c1@hfeier> From: "Horea Feier" To: Subject: CVS mirror-packaged snapshots? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:25:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEF150.76F1FA40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEF150.76F1FA40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, For some reason I can't get my Internet connection in Linux to work,so = I use my Win partition to download Linux files. My question is: Is there a mirror of the CVS branch of gnome,which has packaged = snapshots (.tar.gz,etc)? I know that ftp://ftp.jimpick.com has such a = directory called /gnome/snap ,but the snapshots there are a bit out of = date.Is there another one like this? I'd love to be able to try = bonobo,and some other CVS goodies. Thanx y'all,Horea ------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEF150.76F1FA40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi all,
For some reason I can't get my Internet = connection  in Linux to work,so I use my Win partition to download = Linux=20 files.
My question is:
 
Is there a mirror of the CVS branch of = gnome,which=20 has packaged snapshots (.tar.gz,etc)? I know that ftp://ftp.jimpick.com has such a = directory=20 called /gnome/snap ,but the snapshots there are a bit out of date.Is = there=20 another one like this? I'd love to be able to try bonobo,and some other = CVS=20 goodies.
 
Thanx = y'all,Horea
------=_NextPart_000_0009_01BEF150.76F1FA40-- From randhol@pvv.org Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 18770 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 09:53:01 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 09:53:01 -0000 Received: from kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (randhol@kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no [129.241.83.82]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id FAA15832 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 05:53:00 -0400 Received: (from randhol@localhost) by kiuk0156.chembio.ntnu.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) id LAA07072; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:53:29 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: GTK+/Gnome Development book From: Preben Randhol Date: 28 Aug 1999 11:53:28 +0200 Message-ID: Lines: 13 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/Emacs 20.3 I'm just wondering if the new GTK+/Gnome Development by Havoc Pennington has been released. Looking at amazon it looks like it has. I believe there was some talk that the book also would be available from the net. I plan to buy a copy, but I expect it will take some weeks before it will be available here in Norway, so it would be nice if one could read the html version in the meantime. -- Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. `_) n o m e From plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 12981 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 11:18:46 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 11:18:46 -0000 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net (tele-post-20.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id HAA14919 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:18:45 -0400 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk ([158.152.154.114] helo=hosaka.straylight) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11KgVP-000MRd-0K; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:18:43 +0000 Received: from clanger9.demon.co.uk (continuity.straylight [192.168.2.5]) by hosaka.straylight (8.9.2/8.9.2) with ESMTP id MAA13027; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:18:07 +0100 (BST) Sender: plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk Message-ID: <37C7C568.558905F7@clanger9.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:18:00 +0100 From: Paul Barnfather X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; I; SunOS 5.6 sun4m) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Dennis Bj|rklund CC: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: gnome-print References: <199908280653.IAA05341@animal.cs.chalmers.se> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Dennis Bj|rklund wrote: > > I can't get gnome-print (0.4) to work. Or more specifik, it's gnumeric > that I want and since it needs gnome-print I can't use it. > Gnumeric 0.27 works but I wan't a newer version. > > I try to run the gnome-font-install with every posible permutation of > argument and paths to fonts. But it always complains that I have no > times font. > > I basicly have a RedHat 6.0 system. And I downloaded the URW fonts but > I could not get this to work. > I couldn't get it to work with a specified font dir either. :-( I got it to work by extracting the URW fonts to one of the directories listed in the Makefile, such as: /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1 Then a `make install` of gnome-print seemed to work, and Gnumeric now starts. :-) -- ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Paul Barnfather ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ | plb@clanger9.demon.co.uk paul.barnfather@northern-electric.co.uk | | __ http://www.clanger9.demon.co.uk . | o--o-... 75TS o'~o... 750SS From michael@vee.net Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 9563 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 12:25:36 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 12:25:36 -0000 Received: from vee.net ([150.101.16.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id IAA07322 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 08:25:32 -0400 Received: from vee.net (michael@ppp628.adelaide.on.net.au [150.101.250.29]) by vee.net (8.8.8/8.8.8) with ESMTP id WAA09236 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:40:53 +0930 (CST) (envelope-from mike@vee.net) Sender: michael@vee.net Message-ID: <37C7DA55.AB12BAAE@vee.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:17:17 +0930 From: Michael Gratton Organization: VNet X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.9 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: applications <-> mime-types Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, If this is an old thread or is FAQ'ed anywhere, please feel free to flame, but I've got a few thoughts regarding a possible better way of using mime-types. Currently, a particular mime-type and hence corrosponding file has an application mapped to it for various actions, open, view and edit. When double-cicking on a particular file, in MC for example, the application is launched with the filename passed as an argument. A mime-type's actions are mapped to a particular application. This is simlar, as I understand it, to Windows handling of file types and seems to work fine for some cases. The big problem as I see it occurs when multiple applications are suitable for performing the same action. For example, I may want to open an html file in either Communicator or Emacs, or view a jepg in XV, the Gimp or EE. I realise I can overcome this by dragging and dropping, but I don't want to have countless application icons on my desktop, drawers on my panel or applications open (assuming they even *support* drag and drop) as this leads to a messy, over-crowded desktop. I personally prefer working in a document-centric manner, not application-centric. I think a much better way of handling this would be to specify what mime-types an application is capable of handling. For example, Communicator would be registered as being able to open/view html and jpegs but edit html only. Emacs would be registered as being able to open/view/edit html and the Gimp would be registered as being able to open/view/edit jpegs. MC or other file managers can then display appropriate choices for the desired action. Taking it one step futher, multiple actions could be dispensed with altogether as the concept would effectively be made obselete. This method would also centralize adminstration of an application's properties in Gnome's environment, as all configuration could be done from the menu-editor, instead of the menu-editor *and* the mime-type capplet. A small savings, sure, but I think it is far more intuitative and convenient to have it all in one place. How would it be done? Good question. I'm still getting familiar with Gnome so I don't think I could supply a good answer right now, but maybe somone else could? What does everyone think? Mike. -- ? Michael Gratton - mike@vee.net ! "So, what's the deal with Auntie Gerschwitz et all?" > http://web.vee.net/ From ricardo@pc1.micasa Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 14262 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 13:29:24 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 13:29:24 -0000 Received: from pc1.micasa ([195.57.132.168]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA30937 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:29:22 -0400 Received: from nettaxi.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pc1.micasa (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA02841 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:55:11 +0200 Sender: ricardo@pc1.micasa Message-ID: <37C7DC2F.E5726F44@nettaxi.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:55:11 +0200 From: Ricardo =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fern=E1ndez?= Pascual Reply-To: ricardoF@nettaxi.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.5-15 i586) X-Accept-Language: es, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Making gnome speak References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Erik Walthinsen wrote: > > There is a program in CVS called gspeech that does just that. It's not > very polished, but it does use festival to speak buttons and whatnot. > Thank's for the info. I'll download it ASAP. > Both the cool thing about it and the problem is that it runs as a GTK > plugin. That means all you have to to do enable an app to use speech > output is add --gtk-module=gspeech to the commandline of the program. > That's it. Where that breaks down is the simple fact that all > applications are going to have different requirements when it comes to > speaking to the user. There is no such information available in GTK. That's nice but it would be a bit better if any developer could decide what his program has to say and what it has to show on the screen. Think about the email client agent: It could read all your messages while you are doing something else, with very little effort by the programmer. That's the reason I think this library would be useful (but the gtk plugin is cool too!). I'll try to write this lib if nobody else does, but I think I'm not the best person to do this. > I'm the author of a package that does the other side of the coin, voice > recognition. It's based on IBM's ViaVoice, and thus is not 'free' as a > whole (though my code is GPL'd), and can also run as a plugin, sorta. The > cool part is that it supports construction of vocabularies based on > Glade's XML interface definitions, and thus is almost as easy to use as a > simple plugin. I'll download and try it when I get viavoice... Greetings -- Ricardo Fernández Pascual ricardoF@nettaxi.com Murcia. Espańa. From gnome@cyberstorm.demon.co.uk Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 30447 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 13:36:37 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 13:36:37 -0000 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net (finch-post-11.mail.demon.net [194.217.242.39]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA00838; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:36:31 -0400 Received: from cyberstorm.demon.co.uk ([194.222.231.129]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Kief-000GPZ-0B; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:36:25 +0000 Received: from localhost (gnome@localhost) by cyberstorm.demon.co.uk (8.9.3/8.9.0) with ESMTP id OAA16528; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:35:26 +0100 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:35:25 +0100 (BST) From: James Green To: Derek Simkowiak cc: gnome-hackers@nuclecu.unam.mx, gnome-devel-list@gnome.org, gnome-list@gnome.org, miguel@gnu.org Subject: Re: Simplifying package installation. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote: [ snip ] > I agree: falling back to .tar.gz means there is no package > management at all. Currently. One wonders if Corel are extending Debian's apt, or creating their own management system. [ snip ] > More to the point: should the package management system be part > of Gnome or part of the O.S.? Since packages are run by the OS and not the environment, they should be installed and maintained by the OS, and GNOME/KDE/whatever can provide front-ends. > Since people will install applications other than just Gnome > applications, I would say the package management should be part of the > O.S., not part of Gnome. Yup. > If some crappy-ass Unix variant doesn't have a package database > that provides all the features of an RPM or DEB system, and the "Gnome > Installer" falls back to .tar.gz as a last resort, then that is the fault > of the O.S., not the fault of Gnome. I still think .tar.gz is a good > fallback. So do I, with reservations. I mean, what are we trying to do here? Package management has always been to me a saw point on Linux/Unix. Let's face it, distributions are often chosen for their package management functionailty, be it rpm, apt/deb, tgz or whatever. This is splitering the distributions and of course does not help distribution of software! No, software itself is distribution-neutral. What runs on RH5.2 should also run on, or least have a version for, Debian. Both distributions will run the same software, the software is derived from the same courses and authors, so why the hell should the author have to build a tarball for the sources, an rpm for RedHat-based systems, and also (or get someone else to build) .debs? No, software packaging and distribution should not be based upon which distribution you are running. The solution isn't exactly easy but imo needs doing before more than the current trickle of Windows users start turning to Linux. These people want to be able to download pre-compiled or source packages (one file contains either of these) and be able to (optionally build and) install using a point-and-click UI, perhaps with 'Wizard'-like functionality too, much like InstallShield on Windows. The end-user most likely doesn't want to see dozens of 'make' and 'configure' lines scrolling up the screen. The end-user also doesn't want to have to decompress a file into /usr/src/whatever, cd into it, ./configure; make; su root; make install; /sbin/ldconfig; logout either. Most importantly, the above set of people don't want to have to know the command-line options to do things. Of course, we mustn't forget developers either though. They need to see make and configure and debugging output. And of course let's not forget those of us who want to learn both the traditional rpm-based installation method and that of GNU-configure and make methods. So we see three classes of end-users here: 1. Developers; 2. Potential Developers, installing manually; 3. Non-developer end-users. For (1.), we have cvs, plus of course the traditional monthly tarball snapshots. The same applies to (2.) except that (2.) may just use release tarballs instead. For (3.) we see the need to hide what (1.) and (2.) what to see, and the obvious solution is to provide a GUI. All this is fine, but do any of the existing solutions fit the bill for all three? No. Tarballs and cvs work for (1.) and (2.), not (3.), while rpm and other package managers work to some degree of user-friendliness for (3.). Finally, package management is not distribution-neutral. So, we have a set of systems that do the job, but at a price. What we need is a system of packaging up both source and pre-compiled binaries into seperate files but that are not distribution specific. This raises obvious concerns such as how to compile on a RedHat 6 system and package it up for installation on all distros, and that's something that would need sorting out. What we need therefore is a standard system common across Linux/Unix. The main commonality is that of GNU. So why not take the GNU source-packageing system, and extend it to cover the points raised above, and include the good bits of the proprietary systems such as rpm and apt? Ideas: * Extend or modify existing configure to have an text file of dependencies which can be read from outside the package, e.g. .deps. This would allow the system to identify and download (prompting where applicable dependencies; how many times have you downloaded something only to hit the net again to grab a dependency or upgrade a dependency?) it. This idea would come from what I understand of apt. * provide versions of the package as pre-compiled binaries and also source files for local (or remote) compilation. This may have to be extended on a per-distribution system (e.g. ---bin.gnupkg). * maintain a database of installed files for easy dependencies-checking, upgrading and deinstallation; rpm can be seen here as fitting the bill. * Provide a single cmd-line front-end for package management to maintain cross-distribution maintainability. * GNOME/KDE/whatever front-ends to the above front-end so the user can point-and-click to (optionally build and) install the packages. The principal of course is to do away with rpm and apt and any other proprietary package management systems and base ourselves on a GNU way, common to all distros and Unices alike. Please note that if the above sounds like a load of jibberish, don't worry, it's me :) I've only been running Linux effectively since the start of the year and haven't yet developed for it, so my knowledge of these things is very limited. But hell, since when has developmental-knowledge been neccessary for good ideas..? Any thoughts? -- James Green http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. From gil.hauer@sun.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 1419 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 13:37:28 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 13:37:28 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA01238 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:37:27 -0400 Received: from canadamail1.Canada.Sun.COM ([129.155.5.100]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id GAA00004 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 06:37:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opcom-mail.canada.sun.com (scot.Canada.Sun.COM [129.155.8.107]) by canadamail1.Canada.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id JAA26551 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:37:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gypsy (hobo199.East.Sun.COM [129.148.7.199]) by opcom-mail.canada.sun.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id JAA04291 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:37:23 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gil Hauer" To: Subject: Problem Logging In Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:37:24 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Hi, I have gnome set up on my Red Hat 6 box; when I try log in in, I just get a message that Enlightenment is starting up and a blank (blue background) screen. I can log in as root and the session is fine. Other users are not reporting problems. I tried removing the "session" file under the .gnome directory and have confirmed that default.session is present in /usr/share/gnome. Any ideas about this problem? Gil From silovic@zesoi.fer.hr Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 8315 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 13:40:22 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 13:40:22 -0000 Received: from petra.zesoi.fer.hr. (petra.zesoi.fer.hr [161.53.64.16]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA02260 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:40:20 -0400 Received: (from silovic@localhost) by petra.zesoi.fer.hr. (8.8.8/8.8.3 ZEMS) id PAA12177; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:28:46 +0200 (MET DST) To: sjh@ucf.ics.uci.edu Cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: building on solaris References: <199908280127.VAA29833@mail.redhat.com> From: Miroslav Silovic Date: 28 Aug 1999 15:28:46 +0200 In-Reply-To: Seth Hettich's message of "Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:26:58 -0700" Message-ID: <7ebtbsrq41.fsf@zesoi.fer.hr> Lines: 19 X-Mailer: Gnus v5.5/XEmacs 20.4 - "Emerald" Seth Hettich writes: > I see this all the time, so I'm not sure it's really a gnome issue, but > I think it's relevant. > > Under Solaris, when you link with "-L..." you need a matching "-R..." (most > of the time). The config scripts (like glib-config) never seems to do this. > I'm not sure how they get made... is there a simple way to fix this? Before you run any of the Gnome executables, use the following (in sh, ksh, bash or zsh): export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=$LD_LIBRARY_PATH:/usr/local/gnome/lib (assuming you compiled with --prefix=/usr/local/gnome, adjust accordingly for a different prefix). -- I refuse to use .sig From mawarkus@t-online.de Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 19693 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 14:01:18 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 14:01:18 -0000 Received: from mailout01.btx.dtag.de (mailout01.btx.dtag.de [194.25.2.149]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA09334 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:01:17 -0400 Received: from fwd14.btx.dtag.de ([194.25.2.174]) by mailout01.btx.dtag.de with smtp id 11Kj2e-0007VN-00; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:01:12 +0200 Received: from audrey.my.box (320034048390-0001(btxid)@[193.158.184.122]) by fwd14.btx.dtag.de with smtp id ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:01:09 +0200 Received: (from mawa@localhost) by audrey.my.box (8.9.3/8.9.3) id OAA03115 for gnome-list@gnome.org; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:50:15 +0200 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:50:14 +0200 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: gnome-media/extace -- obsolete? Message-ID: <19990828145014.A2412@audrey> Mail-Followup-To: gnome-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.4i X-Markus: It's not Markus, it's Matthias, Matthias Warkus X-Sender: 320034048390-0001@t-online.de From: mawarkus@t-online.de (Matthias Warkus) Just a small question before I start rummaging in the CVS module to add a nice icon and such: Can the ExtacE source in the gnome-media tree somehow be brought up to date with the "rest-of-world" release of ExtacE which seems to have changed a lot? If not, I think we should remove the obsolete version from the tree. Just an opinion, mawa -- The sky is blue so we know where to stop mowing. -- Judge Harold T. Stone From alanr@stateind.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 20941 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 14:32:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 14:32:50 -0000 Received: from relay1.smtp.psi.net (relay1.smtp.psi.net [38.8.14.2]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA20837 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:32:49 -0400 From: alanr@stateind.com Received: from [38.227.117.5] (helo=notes1.notes.stateind.com) by relay1.smtp.psi.net with smtp (Exim 1.90 #1) for gnome-list@gnome.org id 11KjXD-0000or-00; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:32:48 -0400 Received: from opus.stateind.com ([100.125.1.2]) by notes1.notes.stateind.com (Lotus SMTP MTA Internal build v4.6.2 (651.2 6-10-1998)) with SMTP id 862567DB.00501241; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:34:35 -0500 X-Mailer: Arrow 1.0.5 (X11; Linux 2.2.11; i686) To: gnome-list@gnome.org Reply-To: areynolds@geocities.com Subject: Re: GTK+/Gnome Development book Message-Id: Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:32:48 -0400 I ordered a copy from Barnes and Noble's site in early August and called them about it on Thursday. They told me the book had just been released on Tuesday and would take a few days to get to their warehouse. By the way, she made an off-hand comment about there being "1,000's" of back-orders for the book. It looks like Havoc may have a best seller on his hands! *grin* Alan Reynolds *wanna-be Gnome developer in training* On 28 Aug 1999 11:53:28 +0200, Preben Randhol wrote: > > > I'm just wondering if the new GTK+/Gnome Development by Havoc > Pennington has been released. Looking at amazon it looks like it > has. I believe there was some talk that the book also would be > available from the net. I plan to buy a copy, but I expect it will > take some weeks before it will be available here in Norway, so it > would be nice if one could read the html version in the meantime. > > -- > Preben Randhol oO "Don't think about domination, think > [randhol@pvv.org] .` ; about freedom, it doesn't dominate." > [www.pvv.org/~randhol/] \ G -- RMS, LinuxWorld 1999. > `_) n o m e > > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. > > From gil.hauer@sun.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 26632 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 14:34:09 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 14:34:09 -0000 Received: from mercury.Sun.COM (mercury.Sun.COM [192.9.25.1]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21282 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:34:04 -0400 Received: from canadamail1.Canada.Sun.COM ([129.155.5.100]) by mercury.Sun.COM (8.9.3+Sun/8.9.3) with ESMTP id HAA03649 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 07:33:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from opcom-mail.canada.sun.com (scot.Canada.Sun.COM [129.155.8.107]) by canadamail1.Canada.Sun.COM (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1/ENSMAIL,v1.6) with ESMTP id KAA26841 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from gypsy (hobo199.East.Sun.COM [129.148.7.199]) by opcom-mail.canada.sun.com (8.9.1b+Sun/8.9.1) with SMTP id KAA04459 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:52 -0400 (EDT) From: "Gil Hauer" To: Subject: FW: Problem Logging In Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:33:45 -0400 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Thanks for all the replies; it turns out that the ownership on the directory /tmp/orbit- where wrong. Once I changed the ownership on the directory and the files contained therein I could log in again. Once more, thanks! Gil -----Original Message----- From: Gil Hauer [mailto:gil.hauer@Sun.COM] Sent: Saturday, August 28, 1999 9:37 AM To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Problem Logging In Hi, I have gnome set up on my Red Hat 6 box; when I try log in in, I just get a message that Enlightenment is starting up and a blank (blue background) screen. I can log in as root and the session is fine. Other users are not reporting problems. I tried removing the "session" file under the .gnome directory and have confirmed that default.session is present in /usr/share/gnome. Any ideas about this problem? Gil -- FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with "unsubscribe" as the Subject. From hp@redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 29490 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 14:35:13 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 14:35:13 -0000 Received: from icon.labs.redhat.com (hp@icon.labs.redhat.com [207.175.42.144]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA21731 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:35:12 -0400 Received: from localhost (hp@localhost) by icon.labs.redhat.com (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA21686; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:34:41 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: icon.labs.redhat.com: hp owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:34:41 -0400 (EDT) From: Havoc Pennington X-Sender: hp@icon.labs.redhat.com To: Preben Randhol cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GTK+/Gnome Development book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Hi, It is indeed available from online bookstores; I haven't heard any reports of finding it in a physical bookstore yet, but presumably it will be soon. The book is in gnome-cvs under the GGAD module, but in XML format. I'm working on fixing up my XML->HTML converter so it's usable, I'll check it in sometime this weekend hopefully and post an HTML version on developer.gnome.org by early next week. Thanks, Havoc From gandalf@pobox.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 22635 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 14:56:50 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 14:56:50 -0000 Received: from stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (Stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu [155.246.177.20]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id KAA30070 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 10:56:49 -0400 From: gandalf@pobox.com Received: from localhost (gandalf@localhost) by stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA05018; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:13:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu: gandalf owned process doing -bs Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:13:36 -0400 (EDT) X-Sender: gandalf@stute.jacobus.stevens-tech.edu To: Preben Randhol cc: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: GTK+/Gnome Development book In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII On 28 Aug 1999, Preben Randhol wrote: > I'm just wondering if the new GTK+/Gnome Development by Havoc > Pennington has been released. Looking at amazon it looks like it Got my copy yesterday in the mail from Amazon. > take some weeks before it will be available here in Norway, so it > would be nice if one could read the html version in the meantime. http://works.opencontent.org/ just says that: "Open Publication Works will be listed here in the future. " I am not sure if it is up anywhere else yet. -chris From whiz@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 26123 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 15:11:40 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 15:11:40 -0000 Received: from quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (mailserv.nbnet.nb.ca [198.164.200.18]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA02772 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:11:39 -0400 Received: from nbnet.nb.ca ([142.166.195.129]) by quartz.nbnet.nb.ca (Post.Office MTA v3.5.3 release 223 ID# 607-58282U90000L90000S0V35) with ESMTP id ca for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:11:38 -0300 Sender: whiz@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C7F1FA.BFBFEC0E@nbnet.nb.ca> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:28:10 -0300 From: whizbang X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (X11; I; Linux 2.2.10 i586) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Simplifying package installation. References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit James Green wrote: > On Fri, 27 Aug 1999, Derek Simkowiak wrote: > > [ snip ] > > > I agree: falling back to .tar.gz means there is no package > > management at all. > > Currently. One wonders if Corel are extending Debian's apt, or creating > their own management system. > wouldn't that be great - another package system! > > [ snip ] > > > More to the point: should the package management system be part > > of Gnome or part of the O.S.? > > Since packages are run by the OS and not the environment, they should be > installed and maintained by the OS, and GNOME/KDE/whatever can provide > front-ends. > me too. > > > Since people will install applications other than just Gnome > > applications, I would say the package management should be part of the > > O.S., not part of Gnome. > > Yup. > > > If some crappy-ass Unix variant doesn't have a package database > > that provides all the features of an RPM or DEB system, and the "Gnome > > Installer" falls back to .tar.gz as a last resort, then that is the fault > > of the O.S., not the fault of Gnome. I still think .tar.gz is a good > > fallback. > > So do I, with reservations. > um... uh... i can't think of a unix with no package system (besides slackware). of course i'm not all knowing > > I mean, what are we trying to do here? Package management has always been > to me a saw point on Linux/Unix. Let's face it, distributions are often > chosen for their package management functionailty, be it rpm, apt/deb, tgz > or whatever. This is splitering the distributions and of course does not > help distribution of software! > nor the end user trying to decide which distribution/apllications they want to run > > No, software itself is distribution-neutral. What runs on RH5.2 should > also run on, or least have a version for, Debian. and solaris (and jeez, i wish i could find it for irix 5.3) > Both distributions will > run the same software, the software is derived from the same courses and > authors, so why the hell should the author have to build a tarball for the > sources, an rpm for RedHat-based systems, and also (or get someone else to > build) .debs? No, software packaging and distribution should not be based > upon which distribution you are running. > unless you only plan on getting the software from the same vendor/distributo that you got the OS from - kind of limiting tho > > The solution isn't exactly easy but imo needs doing before more than the > current trickle of Windows users start turning to Linux. These people want > to be able to download pre-compiled or source packages (one file contains > either of these) and be able to (optionally build and) install using a > point-and-click UI, perhaps with 'Wizard'-like functionality too, much > like InstallShield on Windows. > > The end-user most likely doesn't want to see dozens of 'make' and > 'configure' lines scrolling up the screen. The end-user also doesn't want > to have to decompress a file into /usr/src/whatever, cd into it, > ./configure; make; su root; make install; /sbin/ldconfig; logout either. > > Most importantly, the above set of people don't want to have to know the > command-line options to do things. > > Of course, we mustn't forget developers either though. They need to see > make and configure and debugging output. And of course let's not forget > those of us who want to learn both the traditional rpm-based installation > method and that of GNU-configure and make methods. So we see three classes > of end-users here: > > 1. Developers; > 2. Potential Developers, installing manually; > 3. Non-developer end-users. > > For (1.), we have cvs, plus of course the traditional monthly tarball > snapshots. The same applies to (2.) except that (2.) may just use release > tarballs instead. > > For (3.) we see the need to hide what (1.) and (2.) what to see, and the > obvious solution is to provide a GUI. > > All this is fine, but do any of the existing solutions fit the bill for > all three? No. Tarballs and cvs work for (1.) and (2.), not (3.), while > rpm and other package managers work to some degree of user-friendliness > for (3.). > > Finally, package management is not distribution-neutral. > > So, we have a set of systems that do the job, but at a price. What we need > is a system of packaging up both source and pre-compiled binaries into > seperate files but that are not distribution specific. This raises obvious > concerns such as how to compile on a RedHat 6 system and package it up for > installation on all distros, and that's something that would need sorting > out. > > What we need therefore is a standard system common across Linux/Unix. The > main commonality is that of GNU. So why not take the GNU source-packageing > system, and extend it to cover the points raised above, and include the > good bits of the proprietary systems such as rpm and apt? > is rpm proprietary? i thought it was gpl (don't personally know what apt is, but from the context i would guess it is as well). rpm also has a mechanism for packaging source (not that i'm plugging rpm - i just am not familiar with other packagers) > > Ideas: > > * Extend or modify existing configure to have an text file of dependencies > which can be read from outside the package, e.g. .deps. This > would allow the system to identify and download (prompting where > applicable dependencies; how many times have you downloaded something only > to hit the net again to grab a dependency or upgrade a dependency?) it. > This idea would come from what I understand of apt. > > * provide versions of the package as pre-compiled binaries and also source > files for local (or remote) compilation. This may have to be extended on a > per-distribution system (e.g. > ---bin.gnupkg). > > * maintain a database of installed files for easy dependencies-checking, > upgrading and deinstallation; rpm can be seen here as fitting the bill. > > * Provide a single cmd-line front-end for package management to maintain > cross-distribution maintainability. > > * GNOME/KDE/whatever front-ends to the above front-end so the user can > point-and-click to (optionally build and) install the packages. > > The principal of course is to do away with rpm and apt and any other > proprietary package management systems and base ourselves on a GNU way, > common to all distros and Unices alike. > a few months ago i would have thought you were crazy - one of the diggest differences between the major unixes is their package systems, and there would be no way we could convince a vendor like sun or ibm to trash their package system in favor of a new, free one. however, i never would have imagined that sgi would ditch irix in favor of linux, either. perhaps there is hope that a free package manager could become part of the non-free *nix systems. it would certainly be a win for the desktop(s) that tied themselves to a package system, and a loss for the open group and the motif/cde way. > > Please note that if the above sounds like a load of jibberish, don't > worry, it's me :) I've only been running Linux effectively since the start > of the year and haven't yet developed for it, so my knowledge of these > things is very limited. But hell, since when has developmental-knowledge > been neccessary for good ideas..? > i think i've got the market cornered on gibberish, thank you very much ;-) > > Any thoughts? > > -- > James Green > http://www.cyberstorm.demon.co.uk/ > Home of the demon.tech.modems 56k FAQ. > > -- > FAQ: Frequently-Asked Questions at http://www.gnome.org/gnomefaq > To unsubscribe: mail gnome-list-request@gnome.org with > "unsubscribe" as the Subject. Dr. Whiz-Bang whizbang@nbnet.nb.ca Don't waste your time here --> http://whizbang.penguinpowered.com From nelson-gnome@crynwr.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 13677 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 15:32:03 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 15:32:03 -0000 Received: from ns.crynwr.com (ns.crynwr.com [192.203.178.14]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id LAA10322 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:32:02 -0400 Received: (qmail 13479 invoked by uid 0); 28 Aug 1999 15:32:31 -0000 Received: from desk.crynwr.com (206.150.82.98) by ns.crynwr.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 15:32:31 -0000 Received: (qmail 15902 invoked by uid 501); 28 Aug 1999 15:32:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:32:29 -0400 (EDT) From: nelson-gnome@crynwr.com To: "gnome-list@gnome.org" Subject: Re: Simplifying package installation. In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: VM 6.43 under 20.4 "Emerald" XEmacs Lucid Message-ID: <14279.65255.974275.606739@desk.crynwr.com> X-Face: $K'YURj"g6ImvqTS_=]8)gqh!5;ElY<[.Rao%j8r+]iUfE{%|v%F<=mcq<6l{K=~mf&#:?" nslS]U~|x{2V=Eex_I#"9K~9)>?m7Lm={(j_&)SX~fzg&ST~P%QUhc{1p]c3@Zn1u*PZlkHM**X^vV l>GkB5y^Kz%w5p~^uDue]hL&ke,N;+Q > I agree: falling back to .tar.gz means there is no package > > management at all. Actually, um, you're completely wrong.. You could store the packaging information in a file named PACKAGE. There is (and was) exactly *zero* reason to invent a special file format for holding packages. The people who did that thought they were running VMS or something, I dunno. The way Miguel explains CORBA is: Why invent custom protocols for interprocess and intermachine communications? Create an API and let CORBA do the communicating. You can take the same principle and say: why invent custom file formats? Create an API wrapper around an existing file format. James Green wrote: > Both distributions will run the same software, the software is > derived from the same courses and authors, so why the hell should > the author have to build a tarball for the sources, an rpm for > RedHat-based systems, and also (or get someone else to build) .debs? > No, software packaging and distribution should not be based upon > which distribution you are running. Dan Quinlin is God. -- -russ nelson http://russnelson.com Crynwr sells support for free software | PGPok | Government schools are so 521 Pleasant Valley Rd. | +1 315 268 1925 voice | bad that any rank amateur Potsdam, NY 13676-3213 | +1 315 268 9201 FAX | can outdo them. Homeschool! From dev@mail.redhat.com Fri May 12 00:03:46 2000 Received: (qmail 21850 invoked from network); 28 Aug 1999 15:35:21 -0000 Received: from mail.redhat.com (199.183.24.239) by lists.redhat.com with SMTP; 28 Aug 1999 15:35:21 -0000 Received: from mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net [204.127.131.37]) by mail.redhat.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA11689 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:35:20 -0400 Received: from worldnet.att.net ([63.14.39.136]) by mtiwmhc02.worldnet.att.net (InterMail v03.02.07.07 118-134) with ESMTP id <19990828153446.YJQA24199@worldnet.att.net>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:34:46 +0000 Sender: dev@mail.redhat.com Message-ID: <37C80133.F937BCC7@worldnet.att.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 09:33:07 -0600 From: Dan Hensley X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (X11; U; Linux 2.2.12 i686) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: gnome-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: applications <-> mime-types References: <37C7DA55.AB12BAAE@vee.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Michael Gratton wrote: > Hi all, > > If this is an old thread or is FAQ'ed anywhere, please feel free to > flame, but I've got a few thoughts regarding a possible better way of > using mime-types. > > Currently, a particular mime-type and hence corrosponding file has an > application mapped to it for various actions, open, view and edit. When > double-cicking on a particular file, in MC for example, the application > is launched with the filename passed as an argument. A mime-type's > actions are mapped to a particular application. This is simlar, as I > understand it, to Windows handling of file types and seems to work fine > for some cases. > > The big problem as I see it occurs when multiple applications are > suitable for performing the same action. For example, I may want to open > an html file in either Communicator or Emacs, or view a jepg in XV, the > Gimp or EE. I realise I can overcome this by dragging and dropping, but > I don't want to have countless application icons on my desktop, drawers > on my panel or applications open (assuming they even *support* drag and > drop) as this leads to a messy, over-crowded desktop. I personally > prefer working in a document-centric manner, not application-centric. > > I think a much better way of handling this would be to specify what > mime-types an application is capable of handling. For example, > Communicator would be registered as being able to open/view html and > jpegs but edit html only. Emacs would be registered as being able to > open/view/edit html and the Gimp would be registered as being able to > open/view/edit jpegs. MC or other file managers can then display > appropriate choices for the desired action. Taking it one step futher, > multiple actions could be dispensed with altogether as the concept would > effectively be made obselete. > > This method would also centralize adminstration of an application's > properties in Gnome's environment, as all configuration could be done > from the menu-editor, instead of the menu-editor *and* the mime-type > capplet. A small savings, sure, but I think it is far more intuitative > and convenient to have it all in one place. > > How would it be done? Good question. I'm still getting familiar with > Gnome so I don't think I could supply a good answer right now, but maybe > somone else could? > > What does everyone think? > > Mike. YES!! That's exactly what I've been thinking about, and I was going to post something along these same lines. But you said it well. What you're describing is exactly how OS/2 does it, and I think it works extremely well. I can't stand the way Windows does it, because there are a lot of reasons why I might want to have more than one application assigned to a particular file type. It's one of the things I truly miss about OS/2 (I still use it occasionally, but I'm in Linux 95% of the time now). Here's an example. In Windows, all my .c files are automatically associated with msdev. But what if I want to take a quick look at it in Notepad? , , ,