<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 TRANSITIONAL//EN"> <HTML> <HEAD> <META HTTP-EQUIV="Content-Type" CONTENT="text/html; CHARSET=UTF-8"> <META NAME="GENERATOR" CONTENT="GtkHTML/3.28.1"> </HEAD> <BODY> Ühel kenal päeval, E, 2009-12-07 kell 08:45, kirjutas Adam Dingle: <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> Mattias, I'm glad you like Shotwell so far! Thanks for your many suggestions. Here's some feedback: > 1. Quite a number of keyboards and mouses have back and forward buttons, > which are mostly useful for browsing web. These keys could be used in > Shotwell too, for navigating in 10 or 20 item history. > It's a good idea to support the mouse back/forward buttons in some way. We could either (a) make these buttons equivalent to the Previous Photo and Next Photo buttons in full-window mode, or (b) use them to navigate through the history of pages recently viewed. With (b), the back button might take you to the previous viewed event, for example. Are you suggesting (b) rather than (a)? </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> I would prefer b (back/forward for moving in history), with some additional features. It could be called "Navimouse enabled" or something <IMG SRC="cid:1260235856.21384.395.camel@antiloop" ALIGN="middle" ALT=":)" BORDER="0"> Mouse buttons usage: <TABLE CELLSPACING="0" CELLPADDING="5" WIDTH="100%" BORDER="1"> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Proposal for Shotwell </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> F-Spot </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Picasa </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Irfanview </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Eye of Gnome </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> gThumb </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> QIV </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Feh </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Gwenview </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Digikam </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Windows picture viewer </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> LMB click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Next photo </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> LMB double click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Advance 10 pictures </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Exit fullscreen </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> LMB triple click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Advance to next event </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> LMB drag </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Mark cropping area. Adjust from handles. Click in center to end selection, click outbounds to cancel. </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Mark cropping area, no way to confirm using mouse </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Starts dragging the image file </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Pan image </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Pan </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Pan </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Mouse weel scroll </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Zoom in/out </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Zoom in/out </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Zoom in/out </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Pan </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> MMB click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Center clicked position, when zoomed in </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Exit fullscreen </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Quit </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Switch between 1:1/Fit mode </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> MMB double click (hard to trigger, using wheel) </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Open small image adjustments dialog </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Exit fullscreen </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> MMB triple click (extra hard to trigger) </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Enhance image (undoable using Back button) </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> MMB drag </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Drag zoomed image </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Left-right drag to zoom out-in </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> RMB click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Context </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Context </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Context </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Context </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Context </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Context </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> RMB double click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Go 10 pictures back </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> RMB triple click </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Go to the beginning of previous event </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> RMB drag </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> Tag photo facebook alike, showing rectangular area </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Mouse gestures </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> </TR> <TR> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> Back/Forward </TD> <TD WIDTH="13%" VALIGN="top"> History back/forward or editing stages undo /redo </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="9%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/Next </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> - </TD> <TD WIDTH="8%" VALIGN="top"> Prev/Next </TD> </TR> </TABLE> Some actions not covered in current proposal: Quit, Rotate, 1:1 Scale, Fit, Delete, Mark Usually mouse gestures need to be dragged, but why not to try clickless gestures (polling mouse position will cause a waste of battery life and resources). Possible gestures without pressing a button: „Shake“ (quick left, right, left, right movement, >200px wide, within 500ms) to delete or to send to temporary Lightbox alike recycle bin, which is shown in normal mode as „Images marked for deletion“. „Nod“ (moderate speed movement >150px down and up again to the same position (closer than 50px) to mark a picture as starred to send it to Lightbox for further actions. „Clockwise“ (movement resembling a clockwise drawn circle with 100px radius or more) to rotate image CW. BTW, these Back forward buttons are actually keyboard keys, which simply happen to be on mouses, similar keys on keyboard produce the same events: XF86Back and XF86Forward. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> > 7. Using page up and page down to navigate, with Ctrl to navigate > through events. (This automatically makes the Presentation control > remotes useful, which are are simply HID keyboards with PgUp and PgDn keys > for Prev - Next slide, . (a dot) for blank screen, Esc to end session, > F5 to start presentation, these are simply Powerpoint default shortcuts) > I believe you're asking for the following: Page Up/Down = go to previous/next photo in full-window mode (just like left arrow) </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Just like left/right arrows. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> Ctrl+Page Up/Down = go to previous/next event (in full-window mode? or even in the Photos view?) Is this correct? </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Why not in both views and even in slideshow mode, for consistency, since by far there is no better use for these shortcuts. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> > 8. Backspace for full-window image should move to containing event > directory (same as doubleclick). > This seems like a reasonable idea. I've filed a ticket for this (<A HREF="http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1080">http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1080</A> ). This should be easy, so we might implement this for 0.4. > 9. Slideshow and fullscreen view should be directly switchable from one > mode to another. > I suppose we could allow that, though I don't imagine users would need this too often. Are you suggesting that we implement this with a toolbar button, or with a key command? </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> It depends.. If fullscreen isn't that different from slideshow in terms of editing capabilities and and informational boxes (which I would love, it could resemble some of flash galleries used in web), these should be unified and then the only difference could be play/pause and stop buttons. Pressing play could hide all the other boxes, until stop (not pause) is pressed. <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> > 10. For cropping, current Gimp interface is worth a medallion for easy > mouse usage, it is a little hard to snap from current 12px area (at > least on 1640x1050 which is becoming more common). > When you say "it is a little hard to snap from current 12 px area", do you mean that in Shotwell the user must crop by moving the mouse into a 12-pixel area near the crop rectangle, and that that area is too small? I've never found the Shotwell interface to be hard to use, but I suppose we could make that area a bit larger like in Gimp. </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> Why not to make it 1/4 of the height (width), but >12px? <BLOCKQUOTE TYPE=CITE> <PRE> > 11. This is probably a feature for 2.5, but IMHO Gnome desktop is still > lacking a decent way to present images with nice transitions. It should > be enabled only with OpenGL and default to nice 800ms fade with nice Ken > Burns effect (<A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Burns_Effect">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Burns_Effect</A>). Most of > other effects are not worth implementing. > Yes - we've always intended to implement slideshow transitions at some point. We'd like to offer the user a choice of transition effects, and I agree we probably don't need to make this too fancy. I've just filed a ticket for this feature (<A HREF="http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1081">http://trac.yorba.org/ticket/1081</A> ). It won't make 0.4, but will happen some time next year. adam </PRE> </BLOCKQUOTE> With best regards Mattias </BODY> </HTML>