[Shotwell] Shotwell 0.11: Call for testing - TAGS!

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On 29 August 2011 19:43, Adam Dingle <adam at yorba.org> wrote:
>> Because, following the example you do below, if I have a duplicate tag
>> e.g. friends/dave and family/dave, when I import a photo with the tags
>> 'friends', 'family' and 'dave' what will Shotwell do?
>
> Today, Shotwell will create new top-level tags 'friends', 'family', and
> 'dave', which doesn't seem right (hence ticket 4051 above).  Once that's
> implemented, Shotwell would tag the photo with both 'friends/dave' and
> 'family/dave' in this situation.  A more difficult question is what Shotwell
> should do if you the library contains both friends/dave and family/dave and
> you import a photo which only has the tag 'dave'.  In that case I think we
> should probably prompt the user.

Agree. Unfortunately asking the user will work when importing only a
handful of photos at a time. I'm happy I don't have duplicate tags in
my 20K+ photo collection :-)

> We originally considered disallowing duplicate tags throughout the entire
> library to avoid situations like these.  But we looked at several other
> photo programs which support hierarchical tags and found that they did allow
> duplicate names, and we wanted to allow users to import their libraries from
> these programs, so we decided to allow duplicates in the end.  Of course
> nobody has to create duplicate tags if they don't want to.  :)

In my case, both f-spot and geeqie didn't allow that, because they
write only flat tags. I wasn't aware shotwell was writing both flat
and hierarchical.

> If you tag a photo with 'friends/dave' and then export from Shotwell, it
> writes these IPTC and XMP tags:
>
> Iptc.Application2.Keywords                   String      4  dave
> Iptc.Application2.Keywords                   String      7  friends
> Xmp.dc.subject                               XmpBag      2  dave, friends
> Xmp.digiKam.TagsList                         XmpSeq      2  friends,
> friends/dave
> Xmp.MicrosoftPhoto.LastKeywordXMP            XmpBag      2  friends,
> friends/dave
>
>> I'd like to have the possibility of 'dummy tags' like below, or the
>> possibility of tagging only a part of the branch, not the full branch.
>> It is mostly a matter of organisation.
>
> You can certainly tag only a part of the branch, not the full branch, in
> Shotwell today.  For example, if you have a tag 'friends' and a subtag
> 'dave', you can apply just 'friends' to a photo.

Actually I'd like to have the opposite behaviour as well: if I tag
just 'dave' I don't want it to drag along 'friends'. Is it like that
now?

>>> Are you saying that you'd like to be able to mark
>>> 'friends' as a dummy tag which isn't written into any exported photo?
>>
>> Exactly like that. This way I can have 'dummy' tags for keeping
>> organised my tag tree: e.g. subject (dummy) / friends / dave  and
>> subject (dummy) / nature (dummy) / water (dummy) / lake.
>
> OK - now I see what you're asking.  To be honest I think this won't be a
> high priority for us since I don't see that it does great harm to write out
> these 'dummy' tags when exporting as Shotwell does today, but feel free to
> file a ticket if you'd like us to consider this in the future.  Cheers -

If the ticket of the existing tags landing correctly in the tree gets
resolved, *and* if I can assign single tags without having the parent
tags coming along there will be no need for 'dummy' tags.

On a side note, I see that they are taken into account in the mwg
guidelines. In '5.10 Hierarchical Keywords' there is a chapter about
'Categories - grouping of keywords that is only used for
organizational purposes'.

Ciao ciao,
Piergi
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