From rishikhatri at sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:28:45 2006 From: rishikhatri at sbcglobal.net (Rishi Khatri) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mail.gnome.org/pipermail/sawfish-list/attachments/20060614/16d88b15/attachment.htm From e_nigma_101 at yahoo.com Wed Jun 14 17:34:54 2006 From: e_nigma_101 at yahoo.com (enigma) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous at anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal at harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:25:45 2006 From: michal at harddata.com (Michal Jaegermann) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd at leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:24 2006 From: leonerd at leonerd.org.uk (Paul LeoNerd Evans) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd at leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier at cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:47 2006 From: pierre.pelletier at cegepat.qc.ca (Pierre Pelletier) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Hello, I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! Pierre Pelletier Linux forever ! -- "Les gens heureux ne sont pas press?s !" From andrea.vettorello at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:14 2006 From: andrea.vettorello at gmail.com (Andrea Vettorello) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From e_nigma_101 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 15 18:10:41 2006 From: e_nigma_101 at yahoo.com (enigma) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast at md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:44:50 2006 From: ingvast at md.kth.se (Johan Ingvast) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello at gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:26:06 2006 From: andrea.vettorello at gmail.com (Andrea Vettorello) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith at eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:56:56 2006 From: gsmith at eurocom.od.ua (Vladimir Zolotykh) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-ID: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn at world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:53:35 2006 From: teratorn at world-net.net (Eric Mangold) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 Subject: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Message-ID: On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith at eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:04:24 2006 From: gsmith at eurocom.od.ua (Vladimir Zolotykh) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 Subject: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Message-ID: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn at world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:03:04 2006 From: teratorn at world-net.net (Eric Mangold) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 Subject: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Message-ID: On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello at gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:18:13 2006 From: andrea.vettorello at gmail.com (Andrea Vettorello) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 Subject: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo at nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:04 2006 From: rodrigo at nul-unu.com (Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. -- Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:55:31 -0000 With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even release version 1.0. I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed linux systems. - BSD packages can't get the fixes. - perception of death means no one develops anything new for it. Nothing last forever, eventually great pieces of software get displaced by something that is substantially better. However, in the case of X11 window managers, there isn't anything even close to Sawfish. So, please, some bug fix releases at least! mark From janek_listy@wp.pl Fri Jun 2 07:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0663B110C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21010-10 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BECA3B10F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 13490 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Received: from ahz187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO absurd) (janek_listy@[83.25.207.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:05 +0200 From: Janek Kozicki To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602131405.40c33a39@absurd> In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: *+CD#zxx>41FGRj.7[Oj4Y4GeS\7X; 9Rs-kCy?!CdH?dY8uNk,[u+ll/h7ug-/vNbQbxba1 ec_NX~hXO?N$0+OBX#?FtNAIro=7_hekx6bIESZC-kq ^jiC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:14:11 -0000 Mark Diekhans said: (by the date of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700) > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went > in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from > openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to > configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all > either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly > document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just > never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even > release version 1.0. > > I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window > manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? > > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? I beg for release too. -- Janek Kozicki | From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14173B0115 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11362-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490913B0371 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQYGu010976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HQYdb010972; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: Mark Diekhans Message-ID: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:26:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. It runs for me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? > > - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed > linux systems. What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the current CVS sources? That is what I did. AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. Michal From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249003B02A0 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11904-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB013B045F for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Hchni011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HchbK011195 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:38:46 -0000 Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. --- librep/rep.m4~ 1999-11-19 07:50:26.000000000 -0700 +++ librep/rep.m4 2004-12-12 14:33:26.299324312 -0700 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ dnl AM_PATH_REP([MINIMUM_VERSION]) dnl Test for librep, define REP_VERSION, REP_CFLAGS, REP_LIBS and REP_EXECDIR dnl -AC_DEFUN(AM_PATH_REP, +AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_REP], [dnl AC_ARG_WITH(rep_prefix,[ --with-rep-prefix=PFX Prefix where rep is installed (optional)], [rep_prefix="$withval"], [rep_prefix=""]) Michal From denis@ural.org Fri Jun 2 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320B3B052E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05877-09 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ural.org (unknown [85.115.166.251]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3B0534 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.115.165.127] (helo=arietis.arietis.denis) by mail.ural.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FmLp2-0006VA-8Z; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:25:04 +0600 To: Michal Jaegermann References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> From: Denis Nikiforov X-Face: *+^$JI24p+W&}*/&5, zq_}{!]%A@?FR_>1%\Vm2!UJIilEbAb6'3T]fYwX1H"(a9SUn>&CF g^`pe)6euC Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:26:08 +0600 In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> (Michal Jaegermann's message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") Message-ID: <87wtbz560v.fsf@arietis.arietis> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:25:17 -0000 (transmit-message (Hello 'Michal) (You-wrote :on "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") (Say '( [...] MJ> AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. ,----[ apt-cache show sawfish ] | Package: sawfish | ... | Version: 1:1.3+cvs20050709-6 | ... `---- -- ))) => t (WBR '(Denis Nikiforov) :mailto denis@ural.org) From markd@kermodei.org Sat Jun 3 00:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE03B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11849-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB163B0556 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534dTEq032662 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534dJHe254182; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426055C57; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 54223-03; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59D6A5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17537.4725.214766.391730@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 To: Michal Jaegermann In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.046 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.046 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:39:23 -0000 Michal Jaegermann writes: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, > > These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be widely known. > It runs for > me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. and on several version of FreeBSD. > What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the > current CVS sources? That is what I did. Nothing, although to get my admins to install an RPM that doesn't come with the distro requires buying them beer. They run a 1000 node cluster for us, so there are many other software things I would rather spend my admin beer budget on. > Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. will be glad to assist.. mark From jsh@unfactored.org Sat Jun 3 00:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858E3B05BA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12185-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A893B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534hEVu015305 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:43:16 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.120.85.205] Received: from mail.unfactored.org (adsl-66-120-85-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.120.85.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534iBfq172000; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unfactored.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805A8AC09E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Harper In-Reply-To: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed References: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> To: Michal Jaegermann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v813) Message-Id: <29696C03-E072-4C44-9716-14A90B3BEF6B@unfactored.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.813) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:44:17 -0000 On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about > underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. thanks, I applied your patch. John From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 3 07:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242C3B0647 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31228-07 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759D3B0634 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B1C6C54 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQj5sv-g3Wl8 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB7DC6C53 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:17:58 -0000 Does anybody know why Emacs frames (created by switch-to-buffer-other-frame or similar command) don't get focused in Sawfish (using Sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 Debian package)? For example, the following transcript shows the problem (having only one Emacs frame, let's call it #1): C-x 5 b foo The new Emacs frame (#2) is raised and focused now C-x 5 o The frame #1 is raised but _not_ focused The another spot where focus goes lost is when I install some package using APTITUDE (the Debian package utility). Frequently after that the Xterm window with APTITUDE in it loose the focus. I had a wild guess that it is because of me using fbpanel (4.1-2), but that's all, wasn't able to do any practical with it. Using Emacs 21.4.1 I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 3 17:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894733B059D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30897-10 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876163B042D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so867698uge for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhQ0zavIkLUt2ubMotGBLpxHmjBZ3GU4WWzX7tJHI8g9dYPd0gCjV2XmqEtpHoGcGKEdxLxM/ClKgtct+0ODfRM+I3HmjXNIiLhYuknS5yqysgPGoAMGDtMZiGl5hnh3FwGeX+RgaUUyxdu0V/nU5/TL07sJAuYvksweedp4EwQ= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1995932ugm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:33:20 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: [...] > > I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 4 02:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220723B01B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18891-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A23B0156 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3997C424A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI9fW0n1PPLi for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F8C4254 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:09:25 -0000 On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Sun Jun 4 05:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BD3B009C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07385-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A43B0097 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([62.248.247.87]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060604091325.VRYR5174.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 217E68072; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:13:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300") Message-ID: <87mzctwaff.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:13:31 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: >> I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs >> versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For >> the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Also seems to work with XEmacs in click-to-focus mode. I am running Debian as well, Sawfish and XEmacs from unstable. > What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click > focus do you see? It is quick, particularly when you are typing: you just shove the mouse, you don't need to grab it well enough to push a button. It is also naturally independent of other functions: you don't need to think whether the click will pass through to the application or not. The flip side is that other methods of changing focus, such as window cycling or a popup automatically getting focused, cause focus to end up in a different window than the pointer, which is an anomaly. It can be avoided by warping the pointer, but that is also confusing. -- Timo Korvola From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 07:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83B0187 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13712-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D403B00BD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so963370uge for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i1iwWvYeTrEepmWv4ckd4M2QZbVSjrw3qIfrymnV2J14M8s0b1ho1PC+q3kEqcKgezI2kPDRovhdwLuDzgEI25pJTe8yG6og+yXSR6PDfprLVN6l8sRevF7VPB6KGYS7oHdkwzYp2TleIzCg+5KDoyrG2qDhdjyB797+zZxjAs8= Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr2392119ugl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606040439g15a7e297u8add36952e39646c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:39:12 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:39:17 -0000 On 6/4/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > > > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. > > Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However > I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? > I think the only advantage is when you use the X11 copy&paste, i.e. the left/right mouse button to select text and the central button to paste, i usually canceled or modified the selection trying to give focus to a window with the click to focus method. Andrea From famrom@infernal-iceberg.com Sun Jun 4 11:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC13B0170 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26687-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fake.com (16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.32.164.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3543B009F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from unnamed@localhost) by fake.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54FjEY02727 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 From: GSR - FR To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060604174514.A2575@blitzkrieg.battleship> Mail-Followup-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua>; from gsmith@eurocom.od.ua on Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:15AM +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.868, BAYES_20=-0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:45:19 -0000 Hi, gsmith@eurocom.od.ua (2006-06-04 at 0909.15 +0300): > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? Pro: you only have to move the mouse (less effort). Con: you better not hit the mouse randomly (more control required). It is a matter of preference, some people prefer one instead of the other. In other systems you only get click normally, or have to do something "hidden" to enable other modes so people think that is the only way, X11 has been always a bit more experimental/free (choose wm... so why not choose focus style?). I use unclutter so the pointer hides after some time without moving, btw. GSR From rafi@ugcs.caltech.edu Sun Jun 4 07:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C053B01C0 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13509-03 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (heave.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8453B01D8 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3016) id 341928F489; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 1C3E4EAC9A; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafi Rubin To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: xtightvncviewer focus trouble X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:36:01 -0000 I'm using tightvnc version 1.2.9 on a debian sid system with sawfish version 1.3, and Xorg 7.0.0 Focus is set to enter-only and raise on focus is enabled. The xtightvncviewer window seems to be confusing the focus system. If the window is focus with the mouse, without crossing the border decorations, that is if the mouse is moved from a window that's covering the vnc window, or the frame is set to "no-border", the window does not raise, and the decorations stay in the unfocused state. But the mouse and keystroke seem to get passed to the target window anyway. If the window is selected via keyboard, window cycling, or selected in the window list, the window does raise, but doesn't catch keystrokes. I should add, that if I switch to fullscreen mode with a vnc session that's smaller than my screen, and the mouse falls over the edge, it hopeless loses focus and drops off the window list, and won't take keyboard input even with the mouse over the window. I've seen none of these behaviors with any other windows. Rafi From eli@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0583B029F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02368-05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2873B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0004Z7-Iu for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0005vN-Dx for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:13:40 -0000 Just in case someone is maintaining Sawfish: Our project's applications were not playing nicely with Sawfish. After a long debugging session, I got to this line in events.c: if (actual == xa_compound_text || actual == XA_STRING) which didn't allow a new title event received from out application. It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 03:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F813B04C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A3B0534 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.243.248]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608070619.WUQ15754.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154F8072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:06:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400") Message-ID: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in Sawfish. There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves the two types that appear in the if statement. UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in Sawfish. -- Timo Korvola From eli@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882AE3B05A8 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13937-06 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8A83B05A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0002th-N1; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0004Aj-KM; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 To: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.427 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.427 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:12:07 -0000 On Jun 8, Timo.Korvola@iki.fi wrote: > Eli Barzilay writes: > > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. > > It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in > Sawfish. Possibly. The thing is that no other WM has this problem. (Except for the ones I tried, we have a good user base, and nobody ever complained about this except for me...) > There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types > for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does > not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves > the two types that appear in the if statement. > > UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can > use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 > encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should > use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am > not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in > Sawfish. I know nothing about these protocols... Let me try to put some code -- our application sets the title using this code: if (!utf8_atom) { utf8_atom = XInternAtom(XtDisplay(X->frame), "UTF8_STRING", FALSE); } XtVaSetValues(X->frame, XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, NULL); Does it look like there's a problem here? -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 12:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43A43B0F60 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18653-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep30-app.kolumbus.fi (fep30-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8953B0FAE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.244.25]) by fep30-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608160334.PMUV1041.fep30-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADC668072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400") Message-ID: <87verbbpnu.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:59 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > XtVaSetValues(X->frame, > XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, > XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, > NULL); It must be nearly 20 years since I did anything with Xt, but this looks like it is going to set the type of WM_TITLE and WM_ICON_NAME to UTF8_STRING, which is an error. Xt is probably just too ancient to support EWMH in any way. Most popular toolkits these days are not built on Xt. If you need to use Xt, perhaps you can put in the EWMH properties by hand. -- Timo Korvola From jbabcock@atlantech.net Fri Jun 9 19:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E65E3B0085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29563-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9563B00A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4123471 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:44 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: Subject: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0000 How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a matched window setting that I first need to ignore. Josh From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 02:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059303B03CD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13062-01 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E943B02FC for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A6JDC8082270; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:19:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:18:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I wan= t > to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a= > matched window setting that I first need to ignore. > > Josh I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before= = and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more = difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the = = window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the= = window on its behalf. Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets = created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hope that helps... -- Eric Mangold From jbabcock@atlantech.net Sat Jun 10 09:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79E3B0485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-02 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447883B0285 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4169024 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:02 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.281 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.281 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:22:05 -0000 Eric Mangold wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock > wrote: > >> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want >> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a >> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >> >> Josh > > I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before > and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more > difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the > window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the > window on its behalf. That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > > Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets > created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let that one go. Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then modifies the most recent window. Better yet would be to start a process and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on the id. I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should work. Josh From news@l7010.de Sat Jun 10 15:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECE3B010D for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24012-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624863B0232 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32360 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.102]) (276564@[195.158.179.146]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <448B246B.6080905@l7010.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Schr=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060522 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:41 -0000 Josh Babcock schrieb: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let > that one go. > why not just open a special html page with a set title? like: Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywilljust a filler to have a nicer day sawfish matches with regexps so you can match on ^.*Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywill.*$ now just a make sawfish keybinding for firefox top open this page in a new window. it would be: firefox -browser ~/.sawfishspecialrecognitionpage.html just my 2 cents regards Christian From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 20:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8E3B025B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01222-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779D83B01C1 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B0Tr6o016796; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:29:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:29:24 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:30:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I w= ant >>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have= a >>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>> >>> Josh >> >> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates bef= ore >> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more >> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open t= he >> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open = the >> window on its behalf. > > That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > >> >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with = a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let= > that one go. > > Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be= > possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then > modifies the most recent window. I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch Fire= fox you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created. > Better yet would be to start a process > and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on > the id. > > I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique > h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should = = > work. > > Josh Good luck! -- Eric Mangold From teratorn@world-net.net Sun Jun 11 01:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189E3B0086 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10856-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DB3B009D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B4mFPD092234; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:48:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:55:38 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> Eric Mangold wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I= = >>>>> want >>>>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already ha= ve = >>>>> a >>>>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>> >>>> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates = >>>> before >>>> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even mor= e >>>> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open= = >>>> the >>>> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to ope= n = >>>> the >>>> window on its behalf. >>> >>> That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. >>> >>>> >>>> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it get= s >>>> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window wit= h a >>> particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll l= et >>> that one go. >>> >>> Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would = be >>> possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then >>> modifies the most recent window. >> >> I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch = >> Firefox >> you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created= . >> >>> Better yet would be to start a process >>> and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based o= n >>> the id. >>> >>> I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, uniqu= e >>> h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it shoul= d >>> work. >>> >>> Josh >> >> Good luck! >> -- >> Eric Mangold >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, or how to do it (The on= ly > thin I know about lisp is that you debug it by adding '}' characters t= o > the end of the file) > > Josh I mean you'll have a flag (variable) that you set when you want to match= = the next window. Then you'll hook window creation and check to see if th= at = flag is set. If it is, then you handle that window and unset the flag. e.g. At the top-level in your ~/.sawfish/rc file: (define match-next-window nil) (defun handle-new-window (win) (if match-next-window (progn (define match-next-window nil) (ALL YOUR STUFF HERE) ) ) ) (add-hook 'after-add-window-hook handle-new-window) Then you'll just need to do a (define match-next-window t) when you want= = the next window handled. Cheers, -Eric From fccaner@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 06:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4EA3B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29520-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B633B00D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2224321ugc for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dxt3I9LvFDKEnVzRqadBs58CV07AvLxg94PcJrqopSUAcFNwQF0hX/CAv7ahnmNYr5LFKqU6DbsrueaQs4zKbdz+ps8doy9ZTXokGRf3RdUTvQccGV6i2H0u1SeEKbq1Whpli2OjF1h6pWbzM4k5PqfGxAheQ89vLKeyMNCUsEE= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr4997208ugg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?147.83.51.210? ( [147.83.51.2]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm6597125uge.2006.06.12.03.00.34; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <448D3B3C.2050402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:28 +0200 From: "F.Caner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: Subject: windowing theme X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0000 Does anyone remember the windowing theme, similar to BeOS (i.e. usually shorter than the top length of the window depending on the length of the title displayed), but automatically adjusting the position of the window title bar along the top length of the window so as to make it visible, if it is possible at all, when in its current position the title bar becomes invisible due to another window blocking it? I vaguely remember the existence of some such theme, but I might have seen it in another window manager as well. If there is really such a theme, and if it is available for sawfish, I would like to use it. Or was it a sawfish functionality to be put into .sawfishrc to make, say BeOS theme, to function as such? I don't really remember well. Thanks in advance, FCC. From rishikhatri@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A53B041A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02250-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E923B0352 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.225.162.30] by web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rishi Khatri Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rishi Khatri List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:03 -0000 --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available.
Cheers,
Rishi.
--0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759-- From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Wed Jun 14 17:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD43B00F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30983-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BB3B009F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqd5m-0001n9-6L for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from 204.86.58.5 ([204.86.58.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by 204.86.58.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Lines: 44 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.86.58.5 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XF=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 1.116 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:40:40 -0000 I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal@harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76A3B0102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10417-06 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301E83B00FA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EMPjLO017075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:46 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k5EMPj2S017071; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:27:29 -0000 On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd@leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CA73B0155 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06542-05 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cel.leo (unknown [62.49.94.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03573B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nim.leo (nim.leo [192.168.42.3]) by cel.leo (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698B22C0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 From: Paul LeoNerd Evans To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier@cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E243B013D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11071-04 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571F43B00F3 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11] by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (SMTPD-8.22) id A1D306A8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:03 -0400 Received: From courrier ([206.167.164.11]) by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1150345682336; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Received: from 206.167.165.79 by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (LogSat Software SMTP Server) Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 From: Pierre Pelletier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! 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From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227303B00CA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20025-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598F3B002B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so196662pyd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.17 with SMTP id b17mr2522866pym; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:40:49 -0000 On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Thu Jun 15 18:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E63B01FF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02768-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB53B01CB for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr031-00058X-KG for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([66.41.205.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:11:18 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast@md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169183B0011 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (ares.md.kth.se [130.237.57.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47453B000B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA871A7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se ([130.237.57.10]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31893-10 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D8A7586 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (84-217-122-127.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.122.127]) by ares.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1FA7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 From: Johan Ingvast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0000 Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB703B06EE for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12115-06 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C63B033A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so788305pyd for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr5530114pyi; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0000 On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E553B0D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27154-04 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D3B0D13 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AEC6217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:57:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIEJiLa+kEAX for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0EC61B7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:59:48 -0000 Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AA3B0D94 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD3B0D73 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J6sNrO059326; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:54:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1549/Sat Jun 17 17:20:39 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:54:57 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB3B0193 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7DCE7CC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24UwNNPbE-Bi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B60CE7E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:10 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C403B0EB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08683-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569E33B0E69 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K048nF058368; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1550/Mon Jun 19 12:01:35 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E73B013C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25545-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B63B0D93 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so1458800pyd for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr9274705pyi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:26:55 -0000 On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo@nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D83B01C9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.nul-unu.com (ns0.nul-unu.com [207.44.202.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C123B000C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caribdis.nul-unu.com (dsl-201-129-56-199.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.56.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns0.nul-unu.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHvblP030433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from rodrigo by caribdis.nul-unu.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FskSK-0005bU-RJ for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 From: Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.535 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0000 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. --=20 Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmDa0AZmDGK3JvCgRAkPtAJ9oooOjRaNUuBKfxM+Q28CkIfi35gCdGbI+ Nsh55dG0JPsc9Wu850otzXk= =2Sut -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6-- From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C623B0508 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20794-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236323B002A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so2103109pyg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr10778214pyj; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606210119l1bf8b7caw40f5bbdba727d6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:19:31 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: General system slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:33 -0000 On 6/20/06, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the > problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben > able to reproduce it. The complete report is at > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 > > > Has anyone seen anything like it? > Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and > haven't found anything like it. > Using Sid and Sawfish in a couple of desktops and a notebook but never encountered something like that. Maybe is something related to Xinerama or the videocard driver, it's not clear from the bugreport if he's using a proprietary driver or not. For the records, i've never tried Xinerama and actually i'm only using the Xorg drivers. Andrea From levi@cygnetnet.net Wed Jun 21 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC493B0473 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23702-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25B3B00EE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-68-163-102-45.bos.east.verizon.net ([68.163.102.45] helo=cygnetnet.net) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1Ft6D0-0002Kl-Ek for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:42 -0400 Received: from tatiana.cygnetnet.net (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by cygnetnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29E689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tatiana.cygnetnet.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id A790DBAC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.163.102.45 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: karispost Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 From: Levi Ramsey To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: sawfish-ui: Gtk error Message-ID: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_MD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:46 -0000 Using rep 0.17 and sawfish 1.3... sawfish-ui dies immediately with: (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 -- Levi Ramsey levi@cygnetnet.net leviable@gmail.com Key Fingerprint: EB2F B957 5273 3776 7EA0 AB47 7BF0 809C AE51 D378 Linux 2.6.8.1-10mdk 13:05:00 up 10 days, 10:58, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.61, 0.53 From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Wed Jun 21 16:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536523B0541 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02393-10 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C393B0536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D7612F63CF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 (CEST) To: Levi Ramsey Subject: Re: sawfish-ui: Gtk error X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> (Levi Ramsey's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:04:52 -0000 Levi Ramsey writes: > (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line > 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion > `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed > *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 Probably that's what I described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sawfish-list/2006-January/msg00010.html I think it is fixed in rep-gtk CVS. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7333B021B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31515-05 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010323B04C8 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B337C5024 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g27hZVo+32Bi for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E50C5013 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:53 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.355 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:52:01 -0000 Was reading 'Building a Better Window Manager' at http://twistedmatrix.com/~teratorn/better_wm/better_wm.html. Stumbled onto a difficulty. (require 'lookup) only beeps (this is kind of telling me something is wrong I guess, I'd say it's a bit more terse than I'd prefer it'd be). I got lookup.jl and companions at address suggested in the article in question. user> load-path ("/home/vlz/.sawfish/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/1.3/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/site-lisp" "/usr/share/rep/0.17/lisp" "/usr/share/rep/site-lisp" "." "/var/lib/sawfish") $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl string2.jl url.jl All works for another module (not related to lookup.jl) user> (require 'iswitch-window) iswitch-window I'm using Debian, Sarge dpkg -l librep-dev $ dpkg -l librep-dev ... ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep Is there a way to learn why (require 'lookup) beeps with more detail?. Some error message maybe? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 09:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108C3B066F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32611-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2473B064B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF1CA205 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hx-J4nWoJyDA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A3300CA31E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622165919.20e9ad56.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:28 -0000 This one I solved. I just forgot to download remote-application.jl, url.jl depends on it. I still however don't know how to debug *.jl files. After solving the fist problem appeared the next. "Remote-application failed to start an instance!" This error I get while issuing a command with something sensible x-selected. (lookup "google" t t) The new mozilla-firefox window appears in spite the fact that one is present already, but this new Mozilla's window is empty. If you didn't read my first message on the same subject, I'll repeat. I'm trying to get LOOKUP.JL get working ( http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html ). I'm using Debian, Sarge $ dpkg -l | egrep 'librep-dev|mozilla|sawfish' ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 a window manager for X11 $ $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl remote-application.jl string2.jl url.jl $ Would appreciate any clue how to get it working. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 05:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C133B0198 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03662-05 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06C3B0132 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCFC78B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZukzlA5IsSxu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396CC7880 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:09 -0000 I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp usage. If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should (require 'lookup) However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? Or to reload the module lookup? At least (require 'lookup) seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, however, when I try something like (lookup "google" t nil) and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a Your search - ÆÒÉÚÉÑ - did not match any documents. waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". When I call (prompt-for-string "Foo:") in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" user> What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 07:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BA03B0150 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9E3B006E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so971790pyd for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr3431200pyl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.10 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:31:50 -0000 On 6/24/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. [...] > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? > I don't know Sawfish's inner workings very well, but to restart it you can use the "sawfish-client" command, something like "sawfish-client -f restart" instead of restarting the whole X session. Said that, probably there's a better way to do what you want, probably unloading and then reloading the module (i'm only guessing)... I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL (read-eval-print loop) environment, in this way you can exploit the dynamic properties of a Lisp dialect like REP. There's a Sawfish Emacs mode that has key bindings to evaluate expression with the running Sawfish instance. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46983B0490 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12514-02 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (unknown [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7B3B045E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02397CBA6F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX97ucvEn-pu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A59D7CBA2D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL > (read-eval-print loop) environment,... Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Sat Jun 24 09:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC263B02EB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16069-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B43B08F7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530C615B41BB; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 (CEST) To: Vladimir Zolotykh Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:23:42 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > >> I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL >> (read-eval-print loop) environment,... > > Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs > > ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep no, he meant "sawfish-client" command, which connects to the running sawfish process (to have commands executed). > ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? This one looks more recent: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/libs/librep-0.13.5/index.html see the "The REPL" chapter first, it explains how to dig some information (search for variables by name etc., get help strings). -- http://maruska.dyndns.org/wiki/ From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Sun Jun 25 02:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5573B0243 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19230-04 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7543B02E4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FuNjy-0006ZQ-Or for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.55.146]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: asr@ufl.edu (Allen S. Rout) Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Date: 24 Jun 2006 22:09:18 -0400 Organization: Dis- Lines: 42 Message-ID: <861wtej8a9.fsf@ufl.edu> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.123 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? If my elisp memories are applicable, then note: (require 'feature) means: + look through the files in the library directories I know about + Locate a library say, feature.jl, or some file that does (provide 'feature)? does that work? + make sure that we've (load) 'ed that file. This means that if you (require) a file lots of times, it'll only get loaded once, which can save you a bunch of headaches. Many people don't design their libraries to be loaded repeatedly. If you want to re-load the file, then try ( load-module 'feature ) - Allen S. Rout From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 03:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25833B034E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21973-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666A3B020A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.WUAW27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.XXMC16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-0002iP-VO; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-00026A-S7; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.892 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.892 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:34:58 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Hi Vladimir, It's nice to know that someone's using lookup.jl ;-) The command you want is ,reload lookup inside sawfish-client > > Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from > sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does > PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl > (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, > however, when I try something like > > (lookup "google" t nil) > > and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a > > Your search - ??????? ???? - did not match any documents. > > waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same > search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get > plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that > funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". > > When I call > > (prompt-for-string "Foo:") > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > user> > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the transcoding sorted out. Ewan. From markd@kermodei.org Fri Jun 2 03:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7893B1075 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07689-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C93B1073 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k527sTVu026927 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:54:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k527tQRE153210 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FD5C57 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 44219-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12A0C5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.076 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.076 X-Spam-Level: Subject: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:55:31 -0000 With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even release version 1.0. I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed linux systems. - BSD packages can't get the fixes. - perception of death means no one develops anything new for it. Nothing last forever, eventually great pieces of software get displaced by something that is substantially better. However, in the case of X11 window managers, there isn't anything even close to Sawfish. So, please, some bug fix releases at least! mark From janek_listy@wp.pl Fri Jun 2 07:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0663B110C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21010-10 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BECA3B10F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 13490 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Received: from ahz187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO absurd) (janek_listy@[83.25.207.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:05 +0200 From: Janek Kozicki To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602131405.40c33a39@absurd> In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: *+CD#zxx>41FGRj.7[Oj4Y4GeS\7X; 9Rs-kCy?!CdH?dY8uNk,[u+ll/h7ug-/vNbQbxba1 ec_NX~hXO?N$0+OBX#?FtNAIro=7_hekx6bIESZC-kq ^jiC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:14:11 -0000 Mark Diekhans said: (by the date of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700) > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went > in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from > openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to > configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all > either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly > document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just > never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even > release version 1.0. > > I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window > manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? > > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? I beg for release too. -- Janek Kozicki | From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14173B0115 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11362-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490913B0371 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQYGu010976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HQYdb010972; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: Mark Diekhans Message-ID: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:26:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. It runs for me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? > > - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed > linux systems. What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the current CVS sources? That is what I did. AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. Michal From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249003B02A0 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11904-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB013B045F for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Hchni011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HchbK011195 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:38:46 -0000 Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. --- librep/rep.m4~ 1999-11-19 07:50:26.000000000 -0700 +++ librep/rep.m4 2004-12-12 14:33:26.299324312 -0700 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ dnl AM_PATH_REP([MINIMUM_VERSION]) dnl Test for librep, define REP_VERSION, REP_CFLAGS, REP_LIBS and REP_EXECDIR dnl -AC_DEFUN(AM_PATH_REP, +AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_REP], [dnl AC_ARG_WITH(rep_prefix,[ --with-rep-prefix=PFX Prefix where rep is installed (optional)], [rep_prefix="$withval"], [rep_prefix=""]) Michal From denis@ural.org Fri Jun 2 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320B3B052E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05877-09 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ural.org (unknown [85.115.166.251]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3B0534 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.115.165.127] (helo=arietis.arietis.denis) by mail.ural.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FmLp2-0006VA-8Z; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:25:04 +0600 To: Michal Jaegermann References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> From: Denis Nikiforov X-Face: *+^$JI24p+W&}*/&5, zq_}{!]%A@?FR_>1%\Vm2!UJIilEbAb6'3T]fYwX1H"(a9SUn>&CF g^`pe)6euC Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:26:08 +0600 In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> (Michal Jaegermann's message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") Message-ID: <87wtbz560v.fsf@arietis.arietis> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:25:17 -0000 (transmit-message (Hello 'Michal) (You-wrote :on "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") (Say '( [...] MJ> AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. ,----[ apt-cache show sawfish ] | Package: sawfish | ... | Version: 1:1.3+cvs20050709-6 | ... `---- -- ))) => t (WBR '(Denis Nikiforov) :mailto denis@ural.org) From markd@kermodei.org Sat Jun 3 00:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE03B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11849-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB163B0556 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534dTEq032662 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534dJHe254182; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426055C57; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 54223-03; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59D6A5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17537.4725.214766.391730@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 To: Michal Jaegermann In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.046 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.046 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:39:23 -0000 Michal Jaegermann writes: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, > > These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be widely known. > It runs for > me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. and on several version of FreeBSD. > What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the > current CVS sources? That is what I did. Nothing, although to get my admins to install an RPM that doesn't come with the distro requires buying them beer. They run a 1000 node cluster for us, so there are many other software things I would rather spend my admin beer budget on. > Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. will be glad to assist.. mark From jsh@unfactored.org Sat Jun 3 00:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858E3B05BA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12185-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A893B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534hEVu015305 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:43:16 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.120.85.205] Received: from mail.unfactored.org (adsl-66-120-85-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.120.85.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534iBfq172000; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unfactored.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805A8AC09E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Harper In-Reply-To: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed References: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> To: Michal Jaegermann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v813) Message-Id: <29696C03-E072-4C44-9716-14A90B3BEF6B@unfactored.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.813) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:44:17 -0000 On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about > underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. thanks, I applied your patch. John From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 3 07:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242C3B0647 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31228-07 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759D3B0634 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B1C6C54 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQj5sv-g3Wl8 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB7DC6C53 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:17:58 -0000 Does anybody know why Emacs frames (created by switch-to-buffer-other-frame or similar command) don't get focused in Sawfish (using Sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 Debian package)? For example, the following transcript shows the problem (having only one Emacs frame, let's call it #1): C-x 5 b foo The new Emacs frame (#2) is raised and focused now C-x 5 o The frame #1 is raised but _not_ focused The another spot where focus goes lost is when I install some package using APTITUDE (the Debian package utility). Frequently after that the Xterm window with APTITUDE in it loose the focus. I had a wild guess that it is because of me using fbpanel (4.1-2), but that's all, wasn't able to do any practical with it. Using Emacs 21.4.1 I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 3 17:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894733B059D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30897-10 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876163B042D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so867698uge for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhQ0zavIkLUt2ubMotGBLpxHmjBZ3GU4WWzX7tJHI8g9dYPd0gCjV2XmqEtpHoGcGKEdxLxM/ClKgtct+0ODfRM+I3HmjXNIiLhYuknS5yqysgPGoAMGDtMZiGl5hnh3FwGeX+RgaUUyxdu0V/nU5/TL07sJAuYvksweedp4EwQ= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1995932ugm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:33:20 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: [...] > > I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 4 02:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220723B01B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18891-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A23B0156 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3997C424A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI9fW0n1PPLi for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F8C4254 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:09:25 -0000 On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Sun Jun 4 05:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BD3B009C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07385-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A43B0097 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([62.248.247.87]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060604091325.VRYR5174.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 217E68072; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:13:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300") Message-ID: <87mzctwaff.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:13:31 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: >> I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs >> versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For >> the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Also seems to work with XEmacs in click-to-focus mode. I am running Debian as well, Sawfish and XEmacs from unstable. > What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click > focus do you see? It is quick, particularly when you are typing: you just shove the mouse, you don't need to grab it well enough to push a button. It is also naturally independent of other functions: you don't need to think whether the click will pass through to the application or not. The flip side is that other methods of changing focus, such as window cycling or a popup automatically getting focused, cause focus to end up in a different window than the pointer, which is an anomaly. It can be avoided by warping the pointer, but that is also confusing. -- Timo Korvola From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 07:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83B0187 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13712-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D403B00BD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so963370uge for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i1iwWvYeTrEepmWv4ckd4M2QZbVSjrw3qIfrymnV2J14M8s0b1ho1PC+q3kEqcKgezI2kPDRovhdwLuDzgEI25pJTe8yG6og+yXSR6PDfprLVN6l8sRevF7VPB6KGYS7oHdkwzYp2TleIzCg+5KDoyrG2qDhdjyB797+zZxjAs8= Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr2392119ugl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606040439g15a7e297u8add36952e39646c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:39:12 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:39:17 -0000 On 6/4/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > > > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. > > Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However > I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? > I think the only advantage is when you use the X11 copy&paste, i.e. the left/right mouse button to select text and the central button to paste, i usually canceled or modified the selection trying to give focus to a window with the click to focus method. Andrea From famrom@infernal-iceberg.com Sun Jun 4 11:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC13B0170 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26687-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fake.com (16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.32.164.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3543B009F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from unnamed@localhost) by fake.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54FjEY02727 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 From: GSR - FR To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060604174514.A2575@blitzkrieg.battleship> Mail-Followup-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua>; from gsmith@eurocom.od.ua on Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:15AM +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.868, BAYES_20=-0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:45:19 -0000 Hi, gsmith@eurocom.od.ua (2006-06-04 at 0909.15 +0300): > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? Pro: you only have to move the mouse (less effort). Con: you better not hit the mouse randomly (more control required). It is a matter of preference, some people prefer one instead of the other. In other systems you only get click normally, or have to do something "hidden" to enable other modes so people think that is the only way, X11 has been always a bit more experimental/free (choose wm... so why not choose focus style?). I use unclutter so the pointer hides after some time without moving, btw. GSR From rafi@ugcs.caltech.edu Sun Jun 4 07:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C053B01C0 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13509-03 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (heave.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8453B01D8 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3016) id 341928F489; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 1C3E4EAC9A; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafi Rubin To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: xtightvncviewer focus trouble X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:36:01 -0000 I'm using tightvnc version 1.2.9 on a debian sid system with sawfish version 1.3, and Xorg 7.0.0 Focus is set to enter-only and raise on focus is enabled. The xtightvncviewer window seems to be confusing the focus system. If the window is focus with the mouse, without crossing the border decorations, that is if the mouse is moved from a window that's covering the vnc window, or the frame is set to "no-border", the window does not raise, and the decorations stay in the unfocused state. But the mouse and keystroke seem to get passed to the target window anyway. If the window is selected via keyboard, window cycling, or selected in the window list, the window does raise, but doesn't catch keystrokes. I should add, that if I switch to fullscreen mode with a vnc session that's smaller than my screen, and the mouse falls over the edge, it hopeless loses focus and drops off the window list, and won't take keyboard input even with the mouse over the window. I've seen none of these behaviors with any other windows. Rafi From eli@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0583B029F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02368-05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2873B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0004Z7-Iu for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0005vN-Dx for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:13:40 -0000 Just in case someone is maintaining Sawfish: Our project's applications were not playing nicely with Sawfish. After a long debugging session, I got to this line in events.c: if (actual == xa_compound_text || actual == XA_STRING) which didn't allow a new title event received from out application. It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 03:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F813B04C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A3B0534 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.243.248]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608070619.WUQ15754.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154F8072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:06:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400") Message-ID: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in Sawfish. There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves the two types that appear in the if statement. UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in Sawfish. -- Timo Korvola From eli@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882AE3B05A8 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13937-06 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8A83B05A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0002th-N1; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0004Aj-KM; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 To: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.427 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.427 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:12:07 -0000 On Jun 8, Timo.Korvola@iki.fi wrote: > Eli Barzilay writes: > > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. > > It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in > Sawfish. Possibly. The thing is that no other WM has this problem. (Except for the ones I tried, we have a good user base, and nobody ever complained about this except for me...) > There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types > for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does > not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves > the two types that appear in the if statement. > > UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can > use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 > encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should > use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am > not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in > Sawfish. I know nothing about these protocols... Let me try to put some code -- our application sets the title using this code: if (!utf8_atom) { utf8_atom = XInternAtom(XtDisplay(X->frame), "UTF8_STRING", FALSE); } XtVaSetValues(X->frame, XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, NULL); Does it look like there's a problem here? -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 12:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43A43B0F60 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18653-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep30-app.kolumbus.fi (fep30-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8953B0FAE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.244.25]) by fep30-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608160334.PMUV1041.fep30-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADC668072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400") Message-ID: <87verbbpnu.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:59 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > XtVaSetValues(X->frame, > XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, > XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, > NULL); It must be nearly 20 years since I did anything with Xt, but this looks like it is going to set the type of WM_TITLE and WM_ICON_NAME to UTF8_STRING, which is an error. Xt is probably just too ancient to support EWMH in any way. Most popular toolkits these days are not built on Xt. If you need to use Xt, perhaps you can put in the EWMH properties by hand. -- Timo Korvola From jbabcock@atlantech.net Fri Jun 9 19:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E65E3B0085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29563-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9563B00A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4123471 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:44 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: Subject: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0000 How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a matched window setting that I first need to ignore. Josh From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 02:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059303B03CD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13062-01 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E943B02FC for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A6JDC8082270; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:19:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:18:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I wan= t > to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a= > matched window setting that I first need to ignore. > > Josh I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before= = and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more = difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the = = window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the= = window on its behalf. Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets = created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hope that helps... -- Eric Mangold From jbabcock@atlantech.net Sat Jun 10 09:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79E3B0485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-02 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447883B0285 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4169024 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:02 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.281 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.281 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:22:05 -0000 Eric Mangold wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock > wrote: > >> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want >> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a >> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >> >> Josh > > I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before > and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more > difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the > window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the > window on its behalf. That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > > Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets > created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let that one go. Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then modifies the most recent window. Better yet would be to start a process and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on the id. I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should work. Josh From news@l7010.de Sat Jun 10 15:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECE3B010D for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24012-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624863B0232 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32360 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.102]) (276564@[195.158.179.146]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <448B246B.6080905@l7010.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Schr=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060522 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:41 -0000 Josh Babcock schrieb: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let > that one go. > why not just open a special html page with a set title? like: Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywilljust a filler to have a nicer day sawfish matches with regexps so you can match on ^.*Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywill.*$ now just a make sawfish keybinding for firefox top open this page in a new window. it would be: firefox -browser ~/.sawfishspecialrecognitionpage.html just my 2 cents regards Christian From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 20:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8E3B025B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01222-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779D83B01C1 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B0Tr6o016796; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:29:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:29:24 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:30:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I w= ant >>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have= a >>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>> >>> Josh >> >> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates bef= ore >> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more >> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open t= he >> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open = the >> window on its behalf. > > That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > >> >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with = a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let= > that one go. > > Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be= > possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then > modifies the most recent window. I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch Fire= fox you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created. > Better yet would be to start a process > and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on > the id. > > I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique > h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should = = > work. > > Josh Good luck! -- Eric Mangold From teratorn@world-net.net Sun Jun 11 01:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189E3B0086 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10856-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DB3B009D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B4mFPD092234; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:48:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:55:38 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> Eric Mangold wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I= = >>>>> want >>>>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already ha= ve = >>>>> a >>>>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>> >>>> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates = >>>> before >>>> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even mor= e >>>> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open= = >>>> the >>>> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to ope= n = >>>> the >>>> window on its behalf. >>> >>> That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. >>> >>>> >>>> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it get= s >>>> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window wit= h a >>> particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll l= et >>> that one go. >>> >>> Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would = be >>> possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then >>> modifies the most recent window. >> >> I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch = >> Firefox >> you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created= . >> >>> Better yet would be to start a process >>> and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based o= n >>> the id. >>> >>> I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, uniqu= e >>> h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it shoul= d >>> work. >>> >>> Josh >> >> Good luck! >> -- >> Eric Mangold >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, or how to do it (The on= ly > thin I know about lisp is that you debug it by adding '}' characters t= o > the end of the file) > > Josh I mean you'll have a flag (variable) that you set when you want to match= = the next window. Then you'll hook window creation and check to see if th= at = flag is set. If it is, then you handle that window and unset the flag. e.g. At the top-level in your ~/.sawfish/rc file: (define match-next-window nil) (defun handle-new-window (win) (if match-next-window (progn (define match-next-window nil) (ALL YOUR STUFF HERE) ) ) ) (add-hook 'after-add-window-hook handle-new-window) Then you'll just need to do a (define match-next-window t) when you want= = the next window handled. Cheers, -Eric From fccaner@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 06:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4EA3B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29520-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B633B00D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2224321ugc for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dxt3I9LvFDKEnVzRqadBs58CV07AvLxg94PcJrqopSUAcFNwQF0hX/CAv7ahnmNYr5LFKqU6DbsrueaQs4zKbdz+ps8doy9ZTXokGRf3RdUTvQccGV6i2H0u1SeEKbq1Whpli2OjF1h6pWbzM4k5PqfGxAheQ89vLKeyMNCUsEE= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr4997208ugg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?147.83.51.210? ( [147.83.51.2]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm6597125uge.2006.06.12.03.00.34; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <448D3B3C.2050402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:28 +0200 From: "F.Caner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: Subject: windowing theme X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0000 Does anyone remember the windowing theme, similar to BeOS (i.e. usually shorter than the top length of the window depending on the length of the title displayed), but automatically adjusting the position of the window title bar along the top length of the window so as to make it visible, if it is possible at all, when in its current position the title bar becomes invisible due to another window blocking it? I vaguely remember the existence of some such theme, but I might have seen it in another window manager as well. If there is really such a theme, and if it is available for sawfish, I would like to use it. Or was it a sawfish functionality to be put into .sawfishrc to make, say BeOS theme, to function as such? I don't really remember well. Thanks in advance, FCC. From rishikhatri@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A53B041A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02250-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E923B0352 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.225.162.30] by web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rishi Khatri Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rishi Khatri List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:03 -0000 --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available.
Cheers,
Rishi.
--0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759-- From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Wed Jun 14 17:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD43B00F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30983-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BB3B009F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqd5m-0001n9-6L for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from 204.86.58.5 ([204.86.58.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by 204.86.58.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Lines: 44 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.86.58.5 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XF=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 1.116 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:40:40 -0000 I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal@harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76A3B0102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10417-06 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301E83B00FA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EMPjLO017075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:46 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k5EMPj2S017071; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:27:29 -0000 On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd@leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CA73B0155 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06542-05 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cel.leo (unknown [62.49.94.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03573B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nim.leo (nim.leo [192.168.42.3]) by cel.leo (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698B22C0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 From: Paul LeoNerd Evans To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier@cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E243B013D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11071-04 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571F43B00F3 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11] by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (SMTPD-8.22) id A1D306A8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:03 -0400 Received: From courrier ([206.167.164.11]) by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1150345682336; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Received: from 206.167.165.79 by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (LogSat Software SMTP Server) Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 From: Pierre Pelletier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! 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From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227303B00CA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20025-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598F3B002B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so196662pyd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.17 with SMTP id b17mr2522866pym; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:40:49 -0000 On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Thu Jun 15 18:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E63B01FF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02768-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB53B01CB for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr031-00058X-KG for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([66.41.205.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:11:18 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast@md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169183B0011 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (ares.md.kth.se [130.237.57.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47453B000B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA871A7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se ([130.237.57.10]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31893-10 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D8A7586 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (84-217-122-127.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.122.127]) by ares.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1FA7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 From: Johan Ingvast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0000 Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB703B06EE for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12115-06 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C63B033A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so788305pyd for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr5530114pyi; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0000 On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E553B0D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27154-04 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D3B0D13 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AEC6217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:57:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIEJiLa+kEAX for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0EC61B7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:59:48 -0000 Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AA3B0D94 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD3B0D73 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J6sNrO059326; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:54:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1549/Sat Jun 17 17:20:39 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:54:57 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB3B0193 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7DCE7CC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24UwNNPbE-Bi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B60CE7E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:10 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C403B0EB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08683-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569E33B0E69 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K048nF058368; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1550/Mon Jun 19 12:01:35 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E73B013C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25545-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B63B0D93 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so1458800pyd for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr9274705pyi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:26:55 -0000 On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo@nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D83B01C9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.nul-unu.com (ns0.nul-unu.com [207.44.202.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C123B000C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caribdis.nul-unu.com (dsl-201-129-56-199.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.56.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns0.nul-unu.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHvblP030433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from rodrigo by caribdis.nul-unu.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FskSK-0005bU-RJ for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 From: Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.535 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0000 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. --=20 Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmDa0AZmDGK3JvCgRAkPtAJ9oooOjRaNUuBKfxM+Q28CkIfi35gCdGbI+ Nsh55dG0JPsc9Wu850otzXk= =2Sut -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6-- From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C623B0508 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20794-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236323B002A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so2103109pyg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr10778214pyj; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606210119l1bf8b7caw40f5bbdba727d6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:19:31 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: General system slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:33 -0000 On 6/20/06, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the > problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben > able to reproduce it. The complete report is at > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 > > > Has anyone seen anything like it? > Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and > haven't found anything like it. > Using Sid and Sawfish in a couple of desktops and a notebook but never encountered something like that. Maybe is something related to Xinerama or the videocard driver, it's not clear from the bugreport if he's using a proprietary driver or not. For the records, i've never tried Xinerama and actually i'm only using the Xorg drivers. Andrea From levi@cygnetnet.net Wed Jun 21 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC493B0473 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23702-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25B3B00EE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-68-163-102-45.bos.east.verizon.net ([68.163.102.45] helo=cygnetnet.net) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1Ft6D0-0002Kl-Ek for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:42 -0400 Received: from tatiana.cygnetnet.net (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by cygnetnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29E689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tatiana.cygnetnet.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id A790DBAC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.163.102.45 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: karispost Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 From: Levi Ramsey To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: sawfish-ui: Gtk error Message-ID: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_MD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:46 -0000 Using rep 0.17 and sawfish 1.3... sawfish-ui dies immediately with: (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 -- Levi Ramsey levi@cygnetnet.net leviable@gmail.com Key Fingerprint: EB2F B957 5273 3776 7EA0 AB47 7BF0 809C AE51 D378 Linux 2.6.8.1-10mdk 13:05:00 up 10 days, 10:58, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.61, 0.53 From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Wed Jun 21 16:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536523B0541 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02393-10 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C393B0536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D7612F63CF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 (CEST) To: Levi Ramsey Subject: Re: sawfish-ui: Gtk error X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> (Levi Ramsey's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:04:52 -0000 Levi Ramsey writes: > (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line > 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion > `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed > *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 Probably that's what I described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sawfish-list/2006-January/msg00010.html I think it is fixed in rep-gtk CVS. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7333B021B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31515-05 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010323B04C8 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B337C5024 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g27hZVo+32Bi for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E50C5013 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:53 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.355 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:52:01 -0000 Was reading 'Building a Better Window Manager' at http://twistedmatrix.com/~teratorn/better_wm/better_wm.html. Stumbled onto a difficulty. (require 'lookup) only beeps (this is kind of telling me something is wrong I guess, I'd say it's a bit more terse than I'd prefer it'd be). I got lookup.jl and companions at address suggested in the article in question. user> load-path ("/home/vlz/.sawfish/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/1.3/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/site-lisp" "/usr/share/rep/0.17/lisp" "/usr/share/rep/site-lisp" "." "/var/lib/sawfish") $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl string2.jl url.jl All works for another module (not related to lookup.jl) user> (require 'iswitch-window) iswitch-window I'm using Debian, Sarge dpkg -l librep-dev $ dpkg -l librep-dev ... ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep Is there a way to learn why (require 'lookup) beeps with more detail?. Some error message maybe? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 09:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108C3B066F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32611-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2473B064B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF1CA205 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hx-J4nWoJyDA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A3300CA31E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622165919.20e9ad56.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:28 -0000 This one I solved. I just forgot to download remote-application.jl, url.jl depends on it. I still however don't know how to debug *.jl files. After solving the fist problem appeared the next. "Remote-application failed to start an instance!" This error I get while issuing a command with something sensible x-selected. (lookup "google" t t) The new mozilla-firefox window appears in spite the fact that one is present already, but this new Mozilla's window is empty. If you didn't read my first message on the same subject, I'll repeat. I'm trying to get LOOKUP.JL get working ( http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html ). I'm using Debian, Sarge $ dpkg -l | egrep 'librep-dev|mozilla|sawfish' ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 a window manager for X11 $ $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl remote-application.jl string2.jl url.jl $ Would appreciate any clue how to get it working. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 05:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C133B0198 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03662-05 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06C3B0132 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCFC78B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZukzlA5IsSxu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396CC7880 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:09 -0000 I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp usage. If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should (require 'lookup) However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? Or to reload the module lookup? At least (require 'lookup) seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, however, when I try something like (lookup "google" t nil) and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a Your search - ÆÒÉÚÉÑ - did not match any documents. waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". When I call (prompt-for-string "Foo:") in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" user> What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 07:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BA03B0150 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9E3B006E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so971790pyd for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr3431200pyl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.10 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:31:50 -0000 On 6/24/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. [...] > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? > I don't know Sawfish's inner workings very well, but to restart it you can use the "sawfish-client" command, something like "sawfish-client -f restart" instead of restarting the whole X session. Said that, probably there's a better way to do what you want, probably unloading and then reloading the module (i'm only guessing)... I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL (read-eval-print loop) environment, in this way you can exploit the dynamic properties of a Lisp dialect like REP. There's a Sawfish Emacs mode that has key bindings to evaluate expression with the running Sawfish instance. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46983B0490 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12514-02 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (unknown [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7B3B045E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02397CBA6F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX97ucvEn-pu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A59D7CBA2D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL > (read-eval-print loop) environment,... Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Sat Jun 24 09:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC263B02EB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16069-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B43B08F7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530C615B41BB; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 (CEST) To: Vladimir Zolotykh Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:23:42 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > >> I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL >> (read-eval-print loop) environment,... > > Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs > > ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep no, he meant "sawfish-client" command, which connects to the running sawfish process (to have commands executed). > ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? This one looks more recent: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/libs/librep-0.13.5/index.html see the "The REPL" chapter first, it explains how to dig some information (search for variables by name etc., get help strings). -- http://maruska.dyndns.org/wiki/ From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Sun Jun 25 02:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5573B0243 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19230-04 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7543B02E4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FuNjy-0006ZQ-Or for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.55.146]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: asr@ufl.edu (Allen S. Rout) Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Date: 24 Jun 2006 22:09:18 -0400 Organization: Dis- Lines: 42 Message-ID: <861wtej8a9.fsf@ufl.edu> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.123 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? If my elisp memories are applicable, then note: (require 'feature) means: + look through the files in the library directories I know about + Locate a library say, feature.jl, or some file that does (provide 'feature)? does that work? + make sure that we've (load) 'ed that file. This means that if you (require) a file lots of times, it'll only get loaded once, which can save you a bunch of headaches. Many people don't design their libraries to be loaded repeatedly. If you want to re-load the file, then try ( load-module 'feature ) - Allen S. Rout From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 03:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25833B034E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21973-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666A3B020A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.WUAW27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.XXMC16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-0002iP-VO; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-00026A-S7; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.892 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.892 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:34:58 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Hi Vladimir, It's nice to know that someone's using lookup.jl ;-) The command you want is ,reload lookup inside sawfish-client > > Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from > sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does > PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl > (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, > however, when I try something like > > (lookup "google" t nil) > > and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a > > Your search - ??????? ???? - did not match any documents. > > waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same > search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get > plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that > funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". > > When I call > > (prompt-for-string "Foo:") > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > user> > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the transcoding sorted out. Ewan. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 25 08:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811BE3B00DC for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12964-08 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FB3B008F for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F31DC565F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8l4NypPqyW96; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C42FC563F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:12:10 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Ewan Mellor wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > [snip] > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > user> > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > transcoding sorted out. It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. ÁÂ×ÇÄÅÖ Their KOI8-r octal codes are 301 302 327 307 304 305 326 Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to fix that myself. I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. I'm concerned with the popup window produced by PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Is it focused when present on the screen? Let me give a few more detail. My ~/.xxkbrc contains XXkb.app_list.wm_class_class.alt_group1: emacs Emacs which roughly means 'don't change group for the Emacs window'. And my ~/.sawfishrc has (defun event-for-emacs () (when (string-match "^Emacs" (window-class (input-focus))) (synthesize-event (current-event) (input-focus)))) (bind-keys global-keymap "F13" event-for-emacs) there is a couple of other detail which I'll omit for shortness sake. All this enables Emacs's command TOGGLE-INPUT-METHOD being invoked by Shift+CAPS (another setting in the XKB), while pressing the same key Shift+CAPS in say Xterm window just changes it's group. Returning back to the PROMPT-FOR-STRING, seems that the window it produces somehow inherits the related properties of the visible window above which it's positioned. To put it simple, if PROMPT-FOR-STRING window positioned above Emacs's window, I'm unable to enter Russian letters at all (Emacs always in Group1 according to ~/.xxkbrc settings), with PROMPT-FOR-STRING's window positioned above say Xterm window all is fine. One final observation, BackSpace (keycode 22) being used for PROMPT-FOR-STRING, correcting typed string interactively doesn't back space at all. user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\010" user> In this example, after the PROMPT-FOR-STRING window appeared, I changed Group to Russian and pressed three keys Cyrillic small letter A Cyrillic small letter BE BackSpace It's applicable also for other non-printable letters like Return and only while typing in Russian Group. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 08:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FCB3B0085 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13836-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13733B0079 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.EWTX27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.MFLK24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtL-0002qZ-42; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:14 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtK-0002XP-Sw; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625123906.GB7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.640, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:39:20 -0000 On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 02:41:36PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 > Ewan Mellor wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > > > [snip] > > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > > user> > > > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > > transcoding sorted out. > It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. > > ??????? > > Their KOI8-r octal codes are > > 301 > 302 > 327 > 307 > 304 > 305 > 326 > > Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are > > 430 > 431 > 432 > 433 > 434 > 435 > 436 > > I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox > 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, > which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, > either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or > explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing > the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to > fix that myself. Yes, what is happening is prompt-for-string is just passing the bytes that you give it, so it's returning the KOI8-r bytes. This is then going to url-escape-query in my url.jl module, which is turning it into %c1 etc for sending to Google as the query string for the URL. This is obviously then being misinterpreted. I presume that the URL spec somewhere says that the characters must be converted to UTF-8. I can't find a reference for that, but that's what my browser (Opera) seems to do. For that to be done properly in the url module, it would need to discover the character encoding being used for Sawfish (presumably the one set by your locale) and then convert to UTF-8 correctly. Someone some time ago posted some patches for making Sawfish work with Japanese (IIRC). Perhaps you could dig those out of the archives and see what the design for that work was. > I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or > Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB > terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is > ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window > basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. > I'm concerned with the popup window produced by > PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Well, I get this: ewan $ xwininfo xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window. xwininfo: Window id: 0x802696 (has no name) so it looks like you are out of luck with a name, though I guess you might be able to give it one (modifying Sawfish appropriately, of course). The X input stuff is all voodoo to me I'm afraid, so I can't help there. Try digging in the archives again. Ewan. From markd@kermodei.org Fri Jun 2 03:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7893B1075 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07689-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C93B1073 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k527sTVu026927 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:54:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k527tQRE153210 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FD5C57 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 44219-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12A0C5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.076 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.076 X-Spam-Level: Subject: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:55:31 -0000 With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even release version 1.0. I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed linux systems. - BSD packages can't get the fixes. - perception of death means no one develops anything new for it. Nothing last forever, eventually great pieces of software get displaced by something that is substantially better. However, in the case of X11 window managers, there isn't anything even close to Sawfish. So, please, some bug fix releases at least! mark From janek_listy@wp.pl Fri Jun 2 07:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0663B110C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21010-10 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BECA3B10F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 13490 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Received: from ahz187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO absurd) (janek_listy@[83.25.207.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:05 +0200 From: Janek Kozicki To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602131405.40c33a39@absurd> In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: *+CD#zxx>41FGRj.7[Oj4Y4GeS\7X; 9Rs-kCy?!CdH?dY8uNk,[u+ll/h7ug-/vNbQbxba1 ec_NX~hXO?N$0+OBX#?FtNAIro=7_hekx6bIESZC-kq ^jiC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:14:11 -0000 Mark Diekhans said: (by the date of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700) > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went > in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from > openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to > configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all > either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly > document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just > never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even > release version 1.0. > > I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window > manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? > > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? I beg for release too. -- Janek Kozicki | From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14173B0115 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11362-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490913B0371 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQYGu010976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HQYdb010972; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: Mark Diekhans Message-ID: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:26:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. It runs for me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? > > - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed > linux systems. What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the current CVS sources? That is what I did. AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. Michal From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249003B02A0 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11904-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB013B045F for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Hchni011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HchbK011195 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:38:46 -0000 Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. --- librep/rep.m4~ 1999-11-19 07:50:26.000000000 -0700 +++ librep/rep.m4 2004-12-12 14:33:26.299324312 -0700 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ dnl AM_PATH_REP([MINIMUM_VERSION]) dnl Test for librep, define REP_VERSION, REP_CFLAGS, REP_LIBS and REP_EXECDIR dnl -AC_DEFUN(AM_PATH_REP, +AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_REP], [dnl AC_ARG_WITH(rep_prefix,[ --with-rep-prefix=PFX Prefix where rep is installed (optional)], [rep_prefix="$withval"], [rep_prefix=""]) Michal From denis@ural.org Fri Jun 2 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320B3B052E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05877-09 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ural.org (unknown [85.115.166.251]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3B0534 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.115.165.127] (helo=arietis.arietis.denis) by mail.ural.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FmLp2-0006VA-8Z; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:25:04 +0600 To: Michal Jaegermann References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> From: Denis Nikiforov X-Face: *+^$JI24p+W&}*/&5, zq_}{!]%A@?FR_>1%\Vm2!UJIilEbAb6'3T]fYwX1H"(a9SUn>&CF g^`pe)6euC Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:26:08 +0600 In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> (Michal Jaegermann's message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") Message-ID: <87wtbz560v.fsf@arietis.arietis> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:25:17 -0000 (transmit-message (Hello 'Michal) (You-wrote :on "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") (Say '( [...] MJ> AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. ,----[ apt-cache show sawfish ] | Package: sawfish | ... | Version: 1:1.3+cvs20050709-6 | ... `---- -- ))) => t (WBR '(Denis Nikiforov) :mailto denis@ural.org) From markd@kermodei.org Sat Jun 3 00:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE03B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11849-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB163B0556 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534dTEq032662 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534dJHe254182; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426055C57; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 54223-03; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59D6A5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17537.4725.214766.391730@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 To: Michal Jaegermann In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.046 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.046 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:39:23 -0000 Michal Jaegermann writes: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, > > These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be widely known. > It runs for > me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. and on several version of FreeBSD. > What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the > current CVS sources? That is what I did. Nothing, although to get my admins to install an RPM that doesn't come with the distro requires buying them beer. They run a 1000 node cluster for us, so there are many other software things I would rather spend my admin beer budget on. > Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. will be glad to assist.. mark From jsh@unfactored.org Sat Jun 3 00:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858E3B05BA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12185-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A893B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534hEVu015305 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:43:16 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.120.85.205] Received: from mail.unfactored.org (adsl-66-120-85-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.120.85.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534iBfq172000; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unfactored.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805A8AC09E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Harper In-Reply-To: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed References: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> To: Michal Jaegermann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v813) Message-Id: <29696C03-E072-4C44-9716-14A90B3BEF6B@unfactored.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.813) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:44:17 -0000 On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about > underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. thanks, I applied your patch. John From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 3 07:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242C3B0647 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31228-07 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759D3B0634 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B1C6C54 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQj5sv-g3Wl8 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB7DC6C53 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:17:58 -0000 Does anybody know why Emacs frames (created by switch-to-buffer-other-frame or similar command) don't get focused in Sawfish (using Sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 Debian package)? For example, the following transcript shows the problem (having only one Emacs frame, let's call it #1): C-x 5 b foo The new Emacs frame (#2) is raised and focused now C-x 5 o The frame #1 is raised but _not_ focused The another spot where focus goes lost is when I install some package using APTITUDE (the Debian package utility). Frequently after that the Xterm window with APTITUDE in it loose the focus. I had a wild guess that it is because of me using fbpanel (4.1-2), but that's all, wasn't able to do any practical with it. Using Emacs 21.4.1 I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 3 17:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894733B059D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30897-10 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876163B042D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so867698uge for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhQ0zavIkLUt2ubMotGBLpxHmjBZ3GU4WWzX7tJHI8g9dYPd0gCjV2XmqEtpHoGcGKEdxLxM/ClKgtct+0ODfRM+I3HmjXNIiLhYuknS5yqysgPGoAMGDtMZiGl5hnh3FwGeX+RgaUUyxdu0V/nU5/TL07sJAuYvksweedp4EwQ= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1995932ugm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:33:20 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: [...] > > I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 4 02:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220723B01B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18891-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A23B0156 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3997C424A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI9fW0n1PPLi for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F8C4254 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:09:25 -0000 On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Sun Jun 4 05:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BD3B009C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07385-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A43B0097 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([62.248.247.87]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060604091325.VRYR5174.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 217E68072; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:13:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300") Message-ID: <87mzctwaff.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:13:31 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: >> I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs >> versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For >> the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Also seems to work with XEmacs in click-to-focus mode. I am running Debian as well, Sawfish and XEmacs from unstable. > What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click > focus do you see? It is quick, particularly when you are typing: you just shove the mouse, you don't need to grab it well enough to push a button. It is also naturally independent of other functions: you don't need to think whether the click will pass through to the application or not. The flip side is that other methods of changing focus, such as window cycling or a popup automatically getting focused, cause focus to end up in a different window than the pointer, which is an anomaly. It can be avoided by warping the pointer, but that is also confusing. -- Timo Korvola From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 07:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83B0187 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13712-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D403B00BD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so963370uge for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i1iwWvYeTrEepmWv4ckd4M2QZbVSjrw3qIfrymnV2J14M8s0b1ho1PC+q3kEqcKgezI2kPDRovhdwLuDzgEI25pJTe8yG6og+yXSR6PDfprLVN6l8sRevF7VPB6KGYS7oHdkwzYp2TleIzCg+5KDoyrG2qDhdjyB797+zZxjAs8= Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr2392119ugl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606040439g15a7e297u8add36952e39646c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:39:12 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:39:17 -0000 On 6/4/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > > > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. > > Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However > I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? > I think the only advantage is when you use the X11 copy&paste, i.e. the left/right mouse button to select text and the central button to paste, i usually canceled or modified the selection trying to give focus to a window with the click to focus method. Andrea From famrom@infernal-iceberg.com Sun Jun 4 11:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC13B0170 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26687-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fake.com (16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.32.164.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3543B009F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from unnamed@localhost) by fake.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54FjEY02727 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 From: GSR - FR To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060604174514.A2575@blitzkrieg.battleship> Mail-Followup-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua>; from gsmith@eurocom.od.ua on Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:15AM +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.868, BAYES_20=-0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:45:19 -0000 Hi, gsmith@eurocom.od.ua (2006-06-04 at 0909.15 +0300): > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? Pro: you only have to move the mouse (less effort). Con: you better not hit the mouse randomly (more control required). It is a matter of preference, some people prefer one instead of the other. In other systems you only get click normally, or have to do something "hidden" to enable other modes so people think that is the only way, X11 has been always a bit more experimental/free (choose wm... so why not choose focus style?). I use unclutter so the pointer hides after some time without moving, btw. GSR From rafi@ugcs.caltech.edu Sun Jun 4 07:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C053B01C0 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13509-03 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (heave.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8453B01D8 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3016) id 341928F489; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 1C3E4EAC9A; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafi Rubin To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: xtightvncviewer focus trouble X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:36:01 -0000 I'm using tightvnc version 1.2.9 on a debian sid system with sawfish version 1.3, and Xorg 7.0.0 Focus is set to enter-only and raise on focus is enabled. The xtightvncviewer window seems to be confusing the focus system. If the window is focus with the mouse, without crossing the border decorations, that is if the mouse is moved from a window that's covering the vnc window, or the frame is set to "no-border", the window does not raise, and the decorations stay in the unfocused state. But the mouse and keystroke seem to get passed to the target window anyway. If the window is selected via keyboard, window cycling, or selected in the window list, the window does raise, but doesn't catch keystrokes. I should add, that if I switch to fullscreen mode with a vnc session that's smaller than my screen, and the mouse falls over the edge, it hopeless loses focus and drops off the window list, and won't take keyboard input even with the mouse over the window. I've seen none of these behaviors with any other windows. Rafi From eli@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0583B029F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02368-05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2873B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0004Z7-Iu for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0005vN-Dx for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:13:40 -0000 Just in case someone is maintaining Sawfish: Our project's applications were not playing nicely with Sawfish. After a long debugging session, I got to this line in events.c: if (actual == xa_compound_text || actual == XA_STRING) which didn't allow a new title event received from out application. It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 03:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F813B04C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A3B0534 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.243.248]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608070619.WUQ15754.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154F8072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:06:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400") Message-ID: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in Sawfish. There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves the two types that appear in the if statement. UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in Sawfish. -- Timo Korvola From eli@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882AE3B05A8 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13937-06 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8A83B05A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0002th-N1; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0004Aj-KM; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 To: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.427 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.427 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:12:07 -0000 On Jun 8, Timo.Korvola@iki.fi wrote: > Eli Barzilay writes: > > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. > > It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in > Sawfish. Possibly. The thing is that no other WM has this problem. (Except for the ones I tried, we have a good user base, and nobody ever complained about this except for me...) > There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types > for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does > not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves > the two types that appear in the if statement. > > UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can > use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 > encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should > use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am > not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in > Sawfish. I know nothing about these protocols... Let me try to put some code -- our application sets the title using this code: if (!utf8_atom) { utf8_atom = XInternAtom(XtDisplay(X->frame), "UTF8_STRING", FALSE); } XtVaSetValues(X->frame, XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, NULL); Does it look like there's a problem here? -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 12:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43A43B0F60 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18653-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep30-app.kolumbus.fi (fep30-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8953B0FAE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.244.25]) by fep30-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608160334.PMUV1041.fep30-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADC668072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400") Message-ID: <87verbbpnu.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:59 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > XtVaSetValues(X->frame, > XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, > XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, > NULL); It must be nearly 20 years since I did anything with Xt, but this looks like it is going to set the type of WM_TITLE and WM_ICON_NAME to UTF8_STRING, which is an error. Xt is probably just too ancient to support EWMH in any way. Most popular toolkits these days are not built on Xt. If you need to use Xt, perhaps you can put in the EWMH properties by hand. -- Timo Korvola From jbabcock@atlantech.net Fri Jun 9 19:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E65E3B0085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29563-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9563B00A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4123471 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:44 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: Subject: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0000 How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a matched window setting that I first need to ignore. Josh From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 02:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059303B03CD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13062-01 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E943B02FC for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A6JDC8082270; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:19:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:18:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I wan= t > to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a= > matched window setting that I first need to ignore. > > Josh I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before= = and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more = difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the = = window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the= = window on its behalf. Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets = created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hope that helps... -- Eric Mangold From jbabcock@atlantech.net Sat Jun 10 09:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79E3B0485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-02 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447883B0285 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4169024 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:02 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.281 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.281 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:22:05 -0000 Eric Mangold wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock > wrote: > >> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want >> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a >> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >> >> Josh > > I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before > and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more > difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the > window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the > window on its behalf. That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > > Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets > created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let that one go. Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then modifies the most recent window. Better yet would be to start a process and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on the id. I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should work. Josh From news@l7010.de Sat Jun 10 15:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECE3B010D for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24012-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624863B0232 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32360 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.102]) (276564@[195.158.179.146]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <448B246B.6080905@l7010.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Schr=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060522 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:41 -0000 Josh Babcock schrieb: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let > that one go. > why not just open a special html page with a set title? like: Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywilljust a filler to have a nicer day sawfish matches with regexps so you can match on ^.*Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywill.*$ now just a make sawfish keybinding for firefox top open this page in a new window. it would be: firefox -browser ~/.sawfishspecialrecognitionpage.html just my 2 cents regards Christian From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 20:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8E3B025B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01222-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779D83B01C1 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B0Tr6o016796; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:29:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:29:24 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:30:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I w= ant >>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have= a >>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>> >>> Josh >> >> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates bef= ore >> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more >> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open t= he >> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open = the >> window on its behalf. > > That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > >> >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with = a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let= > that one go. > > Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be= > possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then > modifies the most recent window. I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch Fire= fox you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created. > Better yet would be to start a process > and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on > the id. > > I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique > h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should = = > work. > > Josh Good luck! -- Eric Mangold From teratorn@world-net.net Sun Jun 11 01:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189E3B0086 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10856-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DB3B009D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B4mFPD092234; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:48:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:55:38 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> Eric Mangold wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I= = >>>>> want >>>>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already ha= ve = >>>>> a >>>>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>> >>>> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates = >>>> before >>>> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even mor= e >>>> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open= = >>>> the >>>> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to ope= n = >>>> the >>>> window on its behalf. >>> >>> That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. >>> >>>> >>>> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it get= s >>>> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window wit= h a >>> particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll l= et >>> that one go. >>> >>> Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would = be >>> possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then >>> modifies the most recent window. >> >> I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch = >> Firefox >> you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created= . >> >>> Better yet would be to start a process >>> and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based o= n >>> the id. >>> >>> I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, uniqu= e >>> h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it shoul= d >>> work. >>> >>> Josh >> >> Good luck! >> -- >> Eric Mangold >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, or how to do it (The on= ly > thin I know about lisp is that you debug it by adding '}' characters t= o > the end of the file) > > Josh I mean you'll have a flag (variable) that you set when you want to match= = the next window. Then you'll hook window creation and check to see if th= at = flag is set. If it is, then you handle that window and unset the flag. e.g. At the top-level in your ~/.sawfish/rc file: (define match-next-window nil) (defun handle-new-window (win) (if match-next-window (progn (define match-next-window nil) (ALL YOUR STUFF HERE) ) ) ) (add-hook 'after-add-window-hook handle-new-window) Then you'll just need to do a (define match-next-window t) when you want= = the next window handled. Cheers, -Eric From fccaner@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 06:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4EA3B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29520-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B633B00D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2224321ugc for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dxt3I9LvFDKEnVzRqadBs58CV07AvLxg94PcJrqopSUAcFNwQF0hX/CAv7ahnmNYr5LFKqU6DbsrueaQs4zKbdz+ps8doy9ZTXokGRf3RdUTvQccGV6i2H0u1SeEKbq1Whpli2OjF1h6pWbzM4k5PqfGxAheQ89vLKeyMNCUsEE= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr4997208ugg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?147.83.51.210? ( [147.83.51.2]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm6597125uge.2006.06.12.03.00.34; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <448D3B3C.2050402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:28 +0200 From: "F.Caner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: Subject: windowing theme X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0000 Does anyone remember the windowing theme, similar to BeOS (i.e. usually shorter than the top length of the window depending on the length of the title displayed), but automatically adjusting the position of the window title bar along the top length of the window so as to make it visible, if it is possible at all, when in its current position the title bar becomes invisible due to another window blocking it? I vaguely remember the existence of some such theme, but I might have seen it in another window manager as well. If there is really such a theme, and if it is available for sawfish, I would like to use it. Or was it a sawfish functionality to be put into .sawfishrc to make, say BeOS theme, to function as such? I don't really remember well. Thanks in advance, FCC. From rishikhatri@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A53B041A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02250-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E923B0352 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.225.162.30] by web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rishi Khatri Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rishi Khatri List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:03 -0000 --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available.
Cheers,
Rishi.
--0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759-- From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Wed Jun 14 17:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD43B00F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30983-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BB3B009F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqd5m-0001n9-6L for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from 204.86.58.5 ([204.86.58.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by 204.86.58.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Lines: 44 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.86.58.5 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XF=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 1.116 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:40:40 -0000 I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal@harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76A3B0102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10417-06 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301E83B00FA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EMPjLO017075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:46 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k5EMPj2S017071; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:27:29 -0000 On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd@leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CA73B0155 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06542-05 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cel.leo (unknown [62.49.94.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03573B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nim.leo (nim.leo [192.168.42.3]) by cel.leo (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698B22C0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 From: Paul LeoNerd Evans To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier@cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E243B013D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11071-04 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571F43B00F3 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11] by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (SMTPD-8.22) id A1D306A8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:03 -0400 Received: From courrier ([206.167.164.11]) by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1150345682336; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Received: from 206.167.165.79 by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (LogSat Software SMTP Server) Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 From: Pierre Pelletier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server: LogSat Software SMTP Server X-SF-RX-Return-Path: X-SF-HELO-Domain: [206.167.165.79] X-SF-WhiteListedReason: Whitelisted Peer IP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:28:25 -0000 Hello, I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! Pierre Pelletier Linux forever ! -- "Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressÃs !" From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227303B00CA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20025-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598F3B002B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so196662pyd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.17 with SMTP id b17mr2522866pym; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:40:49 -0000 On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Thu Jun 15 18:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E63B01FF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02768-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB53B01CB for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr031-00058X-KG for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([66.41.205.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:11:18 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast@md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169183B0011 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (ares.md.kth.se [130.237.57.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47453B000B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA871A7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se ([130.237.57.10]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31893-10 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D8A7586 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (84-217-122-127.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.122.127]) by ares.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1FA7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 From: Johan Ingvast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0000 Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB703B06EE for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12115-06 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C63B033A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so788305pyd for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr5530114pyi; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0000 On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E553B0D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27154-04 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D3B0D13 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AEC6217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:57:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIEJiLa+kEAX for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0EC61B7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:59:48 -0000 Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AA3B0D94 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD3B0D73 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J6sNrO059326; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:54:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1549/Sat Jun 17 17:20:39 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:54:57 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB3B0193 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7DCE7CC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24UwNNPbE-Bi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B60CE7E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:10 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C403B0EB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08683-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569E33B0E69 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K048nF058368; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1550/Mon Jun 19 12:01:35 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E73B013C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25545-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B63B0D93 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so1458800pyd for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr9274705pyi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:26:55 -0000 On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo@nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D83B01C9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.nul-unu.com (ns0.nul-unu.com [207.44.202.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C123B000C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caribdis.nul-unu.com (dsl-201-129-56-199.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.56.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns0.nul-unu.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHvblP030433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from rodrigo by caribdis.nul-unu.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FskSK-0005bU-RJ for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 From: Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.535 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0000 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. --=20 Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmDa0AZmDGK3JvCgRAkPtAJ9oooOjRaNUuBKfxM+Q28CkIfi35gCdGbI+ Nsh55dG0JPsc9Wu850otzXk= =2Sut -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6-- From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C623B0508 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20794-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236323B002A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so2103109pyg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr10778214pyj; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606210119l1bf8b7caw40f5bbdba727d6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:19:31 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: General system slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:33 -0000 On 6/20/06, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the > problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben > able to reproduce it. The complete report is at > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 > > > Has anyone seen anything like it? > Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and > haven't found anything like it. > Using Sid and Sawfish in a couple of desktops and a notebook but never encountered something like that. Maybe is something related to Xinerama or the videocard driver, it's not clear from the bugreport if he's using a proprietary driver or not. For the records, i've never tried Xinerama and actually i'm only using the Xorg drivers. Andrea From levi@cygnetnet.net Wed Jun 21 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC493B0473 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23702-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25B3B00EE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-68-163-102-45.bos.east.verizon.net ([68.163.102.45] helo=cygnetnet.net) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1Ft6D0-0002Kl-Ek for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:42 -0400 Received: from tatiana.cygnetnet.net (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by cygnetnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29E689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tatiana.cygnetnet.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id A790DBAC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.163.102.45 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: karispost Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 From: Levi Ramsey To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: sawfish-ui: Gtk error Message-ID: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_MD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:46 -0000 Using rep 0.17 and sawfish 1.3... sawfish-ui dies immediately with: (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 -- Levi Ramsey levi@cygnetnet.net leviable@gmail.com Key Fingerprint: EB2F B957 5273 3776 7EA0 AB47 7BF0 809C AE51 D378 Linux 2.6.8.1-10mdk 13:05:00 up 10 days, 10:58, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.61, 0.53 From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Wed Jun 21 16:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536523B0541 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02393-10 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C393B0536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D7612F63CF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 (CEST) To: Levi Ramsey Subject: Re: sawfish-ui: Gtk error X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> (Levi Ramsey's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:04:52 -0000 Levi Ramsey writes: > (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line > 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion > `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed > *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 Probably that's what I described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sawfish-list/2006-January/msg00010.html I think it is fixed in rep-gtk CVS. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7333B021B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31515-05 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010323B04C8 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B337C5024 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g27hZVo+32Bi for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E50C5013 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:53 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.355 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:52:01 -0000 Was reading 'Building a Better Window Manager' at http://twistedmatrix.com/~teratorn/better_wm/better_wm.html. Stumbled onto a difficulty. (require 'lookup) only beeps (this is kind of telling me something is wrong I guess, I'd say it's a bit more terse than I'd prefer it'd be). I got lookup.jl and companions at address suggested in the article in question. user> load-path ("/home/vlz/.sawfish/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/1.3/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/site-lisp" "/usr/share/rep/0.17/lisp" "/usr/share/rep/site-lisp" "." "/var/lib/sawfish") $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl string2.jl url.jl All works for another module (not related to lookup.jl) user> (require 'iswitch-window) iswitch-window I'm using Debian, Sarge dpkg -l librep-dev $ dpkg -l librep-dev ... ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep Is there a way to learn why (require 'lookup) beeps with more detail?. Some error message maybe? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 09:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108C3B066F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32611-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2473B064B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF1CA205 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hx-J4nWoJyDA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A3300CA31E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622165919.20e9ad56.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:28 -0000 This one I solved. I just forgot to download remote-application.jl, url.jl depends on it. I still however don't know how to debug *.jl files. After solving the fist problem appeared the next. "Remote-application failed to start an instance!" This error I get while issuing a command with something sensible x-selected. (lookup "google" t t) The new mozilla-firefox window appears in spite the fact that one is present already, but this new Mozilla's window is empty. If you didn't read my first message on the same subject, I'll repeat. I'm trying to get LOOKUP.JL get working ( http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html ). I'm using Debian, Sarge $ dpkg -l | egrep 'librep-dev|mozilla|sawfish' ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 a window manager for X11 $ $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl remote-application.jl string2.jl url.jl $ Would appreciate any clue how to get it working. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 05:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C133B0198 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03662-05 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06C3B0132 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCFC78B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZukzlA5IsSxu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396CC7880 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:09 -0000 I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp usage. If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should (require 'lookup) However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? Or to reload the module lookup? At least (require 'lookup) seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, however, when I try something like (lookup "google" t nil) and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a Your search - ÆÒÉÚÉÑ - did not match any documents. waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". When I call (prompt-for-string "Foo:") in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" user> What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 07:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BA03B0150 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9E3B006E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so971790pyd for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr3431200pyl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.10 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:31:50 -0000 On 6/24/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. [...] > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? > I don't know Sawfish's inner workings very well, but to restart it you can use the "sawfish-client" command, something like "sawfish-client -f restart" instead of restarting the whole X session. Said that, probably there's a better way to do what you want, probably unloading and then reloading the module (i'm only guessing)... I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL (read-eval-print loop) environment, in this way you can exploit the dynamic properties of a Lisp dialect like REP. There's a Sawfish Emacs mode that has key bindings to evaluate expression with the running Sawfish instance. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46983B0490 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12514-02 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (unknown [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7B3B045E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02397CBA6F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX97ucvEn-pu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A59D7CBA2D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL > (read-eval-print loop) environment,... Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Sat Jun 24 09:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC263B02EB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16069-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B43B08F7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530C615B41BB; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 (CEST) To: Vladimir Zolotykh Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:23:42 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > >> I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL >> (read-eval-print loop) environment,... > > Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs > > ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep no, he meant "sawfish-client" command, which connects to the running sawfish process (to have commands executed). > ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? This one looks more recent: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/libs/librep-0.13.5/index.html see the "The REPL" chapter first, it explains how to dig some information (search for variables by name etc., get help strings). -- http://maruska.dyndns.org/wiki/ From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Sun Jun 25 02:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5573B0243 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19230-04 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7543B02E4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FuNjy-0006ZQ-Or for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.55.146]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: asr@ufl.edu (Allen S. Rout) Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Date: 24 Jun 2006 22:09:18 -0400 Organization: Dis- Lines: 42 Message-ID: <861wtej8a9.fsf@ufl.edu> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.123 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? If my elisp memories are applicable, then note: (require 'feature) means: + look through the files in the library directories I know about + Locate a library say, feature.jl, or some file that does (provide 'feature)? does that work? + make sure that we've (load) 'ed that file. This means that if you (require) a file lots of times, it'll only get loaded once, which can save you a bunch of headaches. Many people don't design their libraries to be loaded repeatedly. If you want to re-load the file, then try ( load-module 'feature ) - Allen S. Rout From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 03:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25833B034E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21973-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666A3B020A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.WUAW27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.XXMC16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-0002iP-VO; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-00026A-S7; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.892 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.892 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:34:58 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Hi Vladimir, It's nice to know that someone's using lookup.jl ;-) The command you want is ,reload lookup inside sawfish-client > > Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from > sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does > PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl > (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, > however, when I try something like > > (lookup "google" t nil) > > and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a > > Your search - ??????? ???? - did not match any documents. > > waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same > search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get > plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that > funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". > > When I call > > (prompt-for-string "Foo:") > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > user> > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the transcoding sorted out. Ewan. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 25 08:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811BE3B00DC for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12964-08 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FB3B008F for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F31DC565F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8l4NypPqyW96; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C42FC563F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:12:10 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Ewan Mellor wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > [snip] > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > user> > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > transcoding sorted out. It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. ÁÂ×ÇÄÅÖ Their KOI8-r octal codes are 301 302 327 307 304 305 326 Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to fix that myself. I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. I'm concerned with the popup window produced by PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Is it focused when present on the screen? Let me give a few more detail. My ~/.xxkbrc contains XXkb.app_list.wm_class_class.alt_group1: emacs Emacs which roughly means 'don't change group for the Emacs window'. And my ~/.sawfishrc has (defun event-for-emacs () (when (string-match "^Emacs" (window-class (input-focus))) (synthesize-event (current-event) (input-focus)))) (bind-keys global-keymap "F13" event-for-emacs) there is a couple of other detail which I'll omit for shortness sake. All this enables Emacs's command TOGGLE-INPUT-METHOD being invoked by Shift+CAPS (another setting in the XKB), while pressing the same key Shift+CAPS in say Xterm window just changes it's group. Returning back to the PROMPT-FOR-STRING, seems that the window it produces somehow inherits the related properties of the visible window above which it's positioned. To put it simple, if PROMPT-FOR-STRING window positioned above Emacs's window, I'm unable to enter Russian letters at all (Emacs always in Group1 according to ~/.xxkbrc settings), with PROMPT-FOR-STRING's window positioned above say Xterm window all is fine. One final observation, BackSpace (keycode 22) being used for PROMPT-FOR-STRING, correcting typed string interactively doesn't back space at all. user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\010" user> In this example, after the PROMPT-FOR-STRING window appeared, I changed Group to Russian and pressed three keys Cyrillic small letter A Cyrillic small letter BE BackSpace It's applicable also for other non-printable letters like Return and only while typing in Russian Group. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 08:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FCB3B0085 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13836-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13733B0079 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.EWTX27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.MFLK24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtL-0002qZ-42; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:14 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtK-0002XP-Sw; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625123906.GB7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.640, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:39:20 -0000 On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 02:41:36PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 > Ewan Mellor wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > > > [snip] > > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > > user> > > > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > > transcoding sorted out. > It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. > > ??????? > > Their KOI8-r octal codes are > > 301 > 302 > 327 > 307 > 304 > 305 > 326 > > Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are > > 430 > 431 > 432 > 433 > 434 > 435 > 436 > > I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox > 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, > which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, > either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or > explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing > the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to > fix that myself. Yes, what is happening is prompt-for-string is just passing the bytes that you give it, so it's returning the KOI8-r bytes. This is then going to url-escape-query in my url.jl module, which is turning it into %c1 etc for sending to Google as the query string for the URL. This is obviously then being misinterpreted. I presume that the URL spec somewhere says that the characters must be converted to UTF-8. I can't find a reference for that, but that's what my browser (Opera) seems to do. For that to be done properly in the url module, it would need to discover the character encoding being used for Sawfish (presumably the one set by your locale) and then convert to UTF-8 correctly. Someone some time ago posted some patches for making Sawfish work with Japanese (IIRC). Perhaps you could dig those out of the archives and see what the design for that work was. > I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or > Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB > terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is > ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window > basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. > I'm concerned with the popup window produced by > PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Well, I get this: ewan $ xwininfo xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window. xwininfo: Window id: 0x802696 (has no name) so it looks like you are out of luck with a name, though I guess you might be able to give it one (modifying Sawfish appropriately, of course). The X input stuff is all voodoo to me I'm afraid, so I can't help there. Try digging in the archives again. Ewan. From markd@kermodei.org Fri Jun 2 03:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7893B1075 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07689-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C93B1073 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k527sTVu026927 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:54:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k527tQRE153210 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FD5C57 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 44219-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12A0C5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.076 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.076 X-Spam-Level: Subject: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:55:31 -0000 With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even release version 1.0. I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed linux systems. - BSD packages can't get the fixes. - perception of death means no one develops anything new for it. Nothing last forever, eventually great pieces of software get displaced by something that is substantially better. However, in the case of X11 window managers, there isn't anything even close to Sawfish. So, please, some bug fix releases at least! mark From janek_listy@wp.pl Fri Jun 2 07:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0663B110C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21010-10 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BECA3B10F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 13490 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Received: from ahz187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO absurd) (janek_listy@[83.25.207.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:05 +0200 From: Janek Kozicki To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602131405.40c33a39@absurd> In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: *+CD#zxx>41FGRj.7[Oj4Y4GeS\7X; 9Rs-kCy?!CdH?dY8uNk,[u+ll/h7ug-/vNbQbxba1 ec_NX~hXO?N$0+OBX#?FtNAIro=7_hekx6bIESZC-kq ^jiC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:14:11 -0000 Mark Diekhans said: (by the date of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700) > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went > in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from > openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to > configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all > either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly > document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just > never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even > release version 1.0. > > I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window > manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? > > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? I beg for release too. -- Janek Kozicki | From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14173B0115 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11362-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490913B0371 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQYGu010976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HQYdb010972; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: Mark Diekhans Message-ID: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:26:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. It runs for me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? > > - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed > linux systems. What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the current CVS sources? That is what I did. AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. Michal From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249003B02A0 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11904-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB013B045F for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Hchni011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HchbK011195 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:38:46 -0000 Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. --- librep/rep.m4~ 1999-11-19 07:50:26.000000000 -0700 +++ librep/rep.m4 2004-12-12 14:33:26.299324312 -0700 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ dnl AM_PATH_REP([MINIMUM_VERSION]) dnl Test for librep, define REP_VERSION, REP_CFLAGS, REP_LIBS and REP_EXECDIR dnl -AC_DEFUN(AM_PATH_REP, +AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_REP], [dnl AC_ARG_WITH(rep_prefix,[ --with-rep-prefix=PFX Prefix where rep is installed (optional)], [rep_prefix="$withval"], [rep_prefix=""]) Michal From denis@ural.org Fri Jun 2 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320B3B052E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05877-09 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ural.org (unknown [85.115.166.251]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3B0534 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.115.165.127] (helo=arietis.arietis.denis) by mail.ural.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FmLp2-0006VA-8Z; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:25:04 +0600 To: Michal Jaegermann References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> From: Denis Nikiforov X-Face: *+^$JI24p+W&}*/&5, zq_}{!]%A@?FR_>1%\Vm2!UJIilEbAb6'3T]fYwX1H"(a9SUn>&CF g^`pe)6euC Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:26:08 +0600 In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> (Michal Jaegermann's message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") Message-ID: <87wtbz560v.fsf@arietis.arietis> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:25:17 -0000 (transmit-message (Hello 'Michal) (You-wrote :on "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") (Say '( [...] MJ> AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. ,----[ apt-cache show sawfish ] | Package: sawfish | ... | Version: 1:1.3+cvs20050709-6 | ... `---- -- ))) => t (WBR '(Denis Nikiforov) :mailto denis@ural.org) From markd@kermodei.org Sat Jun 3 00:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE03B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11849-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB163B0556 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534dTEq032662 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534dJHe254182; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426055C57; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 54223-03; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59D6A5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17537.4725.214766.391730@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 To: Michal Jaegermann In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.046 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.046 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:39:23 -0000 Michal Jaegermann writes: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, > > These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be widely known. > It runs for > me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. and on several version of FreeBSD. > What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the > current CVS sources? That is what I did. Nothing, although to get my admins to install an RPM that doesn't come with the distro requires buying them beer. They run a 1000 node cluster for us, so there are many other software things I would rather spend my admin beer budget on. > Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. will be glad to assist.. mark From jsh@unfactored.org Sat Jun 3 00:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858E3B05BA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12185-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A893B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534hEVu015305 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:43:16 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.120.85.205] Received: from mail.unfactored.org (adsl-66-120-85-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.120.85.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534iBfq172000; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unfactored.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805A8AC09E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Harper In-Reply-To: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed References: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> To: Michal Jaegermann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v813) Message-Id: <29696C03-E072-4C44-9716-14A90B3BEF6B@unfactored.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.813) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:44:17 -0000 On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about > underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. thanks, I applied your patch. John From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 3 07:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242C3B0647 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31228-07 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759D3B0634 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B1C6C54 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQj5sv-g3Wl8 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB7DC6C53 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:17:58 -0000 Does anybody know why Emacs frames (created by switch-to-buffer-other-frame or similar command) don't get focused in Sawfish (using Sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 Debian package)? For example, the following transcript shows the problem (having only one Emacs frame, let's call it #1): C-x 5 b foo The new Emacs frame (#2) is raised and focused now C-x 5 o The frame #1 is raised but _not_ focused The another spot where focus goes lost is when I install some package using APTITUDE (the Debian package utility). Frequently after that the Xterm window with APTITUDE in it loose the focus. I had a wild guess that it is because of me using fbpanel (4.1-2), but that's all, wasn't able to do any practical with it. Using Emacs 21.4.1 I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 3 17:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894733B059D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30897-10 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876163B042D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so867698uge for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhQ0zavIkLUt2ubMotGBLpxHmjBZ3GU4WWzX7tJHI8g9dYPd0gCjV2XmqEtpHoGcGKEdxLxM/ClKgtct+0ODfRM+I3HmjXNIiLhYuknS5yqysgPGoAMGDtMZiGl5hnh3FwGeX+RgaUUyxdu0V/nU5/TL07sJAuYvksweedp4EwQ= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1995932ugm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:33:20 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: [...] > > I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 4 02:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220723B01B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18891-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A23B0156 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3997C424A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI9fW0n1PPLi for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F8C4254 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:09:25 -0000 On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Sun Jun 4 05:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BD3B009C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07385-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A43B0097 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([62.248.247.87]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060604091325.VRYR5174.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 217E68072; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:13:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300") Message-ID: <87mzctwaff.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:13:31 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: >> I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs >> versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For >> the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Also seems to work with XEmacs in click-to-focus mode. I am running Debian as well, Sawfish and XEmacs from unstable. > What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click > focus do you see? It is quick, particularly when you are typing: you just shove the mouse, you don't need to grab it well enough to push a button. It is also naturally independent of other functions: you don't need to think whether the click will pass through to the application or not. The flip side is that other methods of changing focus, such as window cycling or a popup automatically getting focused, cause focus to end up in a different window than the pointer, which is an anomaly. It can be avoided by warping the pointer, but that is also confusing. -- Timo Korvola From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 07:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83B0187 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13712-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D403B00BD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so963370uge for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i1iwWvYeTrEepmWv4ckd4M2QZbVSjrw3qIfrymnV2J14M8s0b1ho1PC+q3kEqcKgezI2kPDRovhdwLuDzgEI25pJTe8yG6og+yXSR6PDfprLVN6l8sRevF7VPB6KGYS7oHdkwzYp2TleIzCg+5KDoyrG2qDhdjyB797+zZxjAs8= Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr2392119ugl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606040439g15a7e297u8add36952e39646c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:39:12 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:39:17 -0000 On 6/4/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > > > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. > > Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However > I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? > I think the only advantage is when you use the X11 copy&paste, i.e. the left/right mouse button to select text and the central button to paste, i usually canceled or modified the selection trying to give focus to a window with the click to focus method. Andrea From famrom@infernal-iceberg.com Sun Jun 4 11:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC13B0170 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26687-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fake.com (16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.32.164.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3543B009F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from unnamed@localhost) by fake.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54FjEY02727 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 From: GSR - FR To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060604174514.A2575@blitzkrieg.battleship> Mail-Followup-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua>; from gsmith@eurocom.od.ua on Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:15AM +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.868, BAYES_20=-0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:45:19 -0000 Hi, gsmith@eurocom.od.ua (2006-06-04 at 0909.15 +0300): > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? Pro: you only have to move the mouse (less effort). Con: you better not hit the mouse randomly (more control required). It is a matter of preference, some people prefer one instead of the other. In other systems you only get click normally, or have to do something "hidden" to enable other modes so people think that is the only way, X11 has been always a bit more experimental/free (choose wm... so why not choose focus style?). I use unclutter so the pointer hides after some time without moving, btw. GSR From rafi@ugcs.caltech.edu Sun Jun 4 07:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C053B01C0 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13509-03 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (heave.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8453B01D8 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3016) id 341928F489; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 1C3E4EAC9A; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafi Rubin To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: xtightvncviewer focus trouble X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:36:01 -0000 I'm using tightvnc version 1.2.9 on a debian sid system with sawfish version 1.3, and Xorg 7.0.0 Focus is set to enter-only and raise on focus is enabled. The xtightvncviewer window seems to be confusing the focus system. If the window is focus with the mouse, without crossing the border decorations, that is if the mouse is moved from a window that's covering the vnc window, or the frame is set to "no-border", the window does not raise, and the decorations stay in the unfocused state. But the mouse and keystroke seem to get passed to the target window anyway. If the window is selected via keyboard, window cycling, or selected in the window list, the window does raise, but doesn't catch keystrokes. I should add, that if I switch to fullscreen mode with a vnc session that's smaller than my screen, and the mouse falls over the edge, it hopeless loses focus and drops off the window list, and won't take keyboard input even with the mouse over the window. I've seen none of these behaviors with any other windows. Rafi From eli@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0583B029F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02368-05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2873B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0004Z7-Iu for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0005vN-Dx for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:13:40 -0000 Just in case someone is maintaining Sawfish: Our project's applications were not playing nicely with Sawfish. After a long debugging session, I got to this line in events.c: if (actual == xa_compound_text || actual == XA_STRING) which didn't allow a new title event received from out application. It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 03:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F813B04C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A3B0534 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.243.248]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608070619.WUQ15754.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154F8072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:06:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400") Message-ID: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in Sawfish. There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves the two types that appear in the if statement. UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in Sawfish. -- Timo Korvola From eli@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882AE3B05A8 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13937-06 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8A83B05A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0002th-N1; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0004Aj-KM; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 To: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.427 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.427 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:12:07 -0000 On Jun 8, Timo.Korvola@iki.fi wrote: > Eli Barzilay writes: > > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. > > It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in > Sawfish. Possibly. The thing is that no other WM has this problem. (Except for the ones I tried, we have a good user base, and nobody ever complained about this except for me...) > There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types > for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does > not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves > the two types that appear in the if statement. > > UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can > use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 > encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should > use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am > not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in > Sawfish. I know nothing about these protocols... Let me try to put some code -- our application sets the title using this code: if (!utf8_atom) { utf8_atom = XInternAtom(XtDisplay(X->frame), "UTF8_STRING", FALSE); } XtVaSetValues(X->frame, XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, NULL); Does it look like there's a problem here? -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 12:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43A43B0F60 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18653-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep30-app.kolumbus.fi (fep30-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8953B0FAE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.244.25]) by fep30-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608160334.PMUV1041.fep30-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADC668072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400") Message-ID: <87verbbpnu.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:59 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > XtVaSetValues(X->frame, > XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, > XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, > NULL); It must be nearly 20 years since I did anything with Xt, but this looks like it is going to set the type of WM_TITLE and WM_ICON_NAME to UTF8_STRING, which is an error. Xt is probably just too ancient to support EWMH in any way. Most popular toolkits these days are not built on Xt. If you need to use Xt, perhaps you can put in the EWMH properties by hand. -- Timo Korvola From jbabcock@atlantech.net Fri Jun 9 19:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E65E3B0085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29563-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9563B00A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4123471 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:44 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: Subject: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0000 How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a matched window setting that I first need to ignore. Josh From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 02:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059303B03CD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13062-01 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E943B02FC for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A6JDC8082270; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:19:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:18:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I wan= t > to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a= > matched window setting that I first need to ignore. > > Josh I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before= = and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more = difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the = = window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the= = window on its behalf. Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets = created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hope that helps... -- Eric Mangold From jbabcock@atlantech.net Sat Jun 10 09:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79E3B0485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-02 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447883B0285 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4169024 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:02 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.281 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.281 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:22:05 -0000 Eric Mangold wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock > wrote: > >> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want >> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a >> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >> >> Josh > > I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before > and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more > difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the > window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the > window on its behalf. That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > > Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets > created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let that one go. Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then modifies the most recent window. Better yet would be to start a process and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on the id. I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should work. Josh From news@l7010.de Sat Jun 10 15:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECE3B010D for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24012-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624863B0232 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32360 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.102]) (276564@[195.158.179.146]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <448B246B.6080905@l7010.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Schr=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060522 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:41 -0000 Josh Babcock schrieb: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let > that one go. > why not just open a special html page with a set title? like: Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywilljust a filler to have a nicer day sawfish matches with regexps so you can match on ^.*Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywill.*$ now just a make sawfish keybinding for firefox top open this page in a new window. it would be: firefox -browser ~/.sawfishspecialrecognitionpage.html just my 2 cents regards Christian From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 20:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8E3B025B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01222-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779D83B01C1 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B0Tr6o016796; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:29:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:29:24 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:30:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I w= ant >>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have= a >>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>> >>> Josh >> >> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates bef= ore >> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more >> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open t= he >> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open = the >> window on its behalf. > > That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > >> >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with = a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let= > that one go. > > Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be= > possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then > modifies the most recent window. I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch Fire= fox you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created. > Better yet would be to start a process > and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on > the id. > > I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique > h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should = = > work. > > Josh Good luck! -- Eric Mangold From teratorn@world-net.net Sun Jun 11 01:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189E3B0086 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10856-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DB3B009D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B4mFPD092234; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:48:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:55:38 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> Eric Mangold wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I= = >>>>> want >>>>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already ha= ve = >>>>> a >>>>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>> >>>> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates = >>>> before >>>> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even mor= e >>>> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open= = >>>> the >>>> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to ope= n = >>>> the >>>> window on its behalf. >>> >>> That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. >>> >>>> >>>> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it get= s >>>> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window wit= h a >>> particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll l= et >>> that one go. >>> >>> Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would = be >>> possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then >>> modifies the most recent window. >> >> I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch = >> Firefox >> you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created= . >> >>> Better yet would be to start a process >>> and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based o= n >>> the id. >>> >>> I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, uniqu= e >>> h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it shoul= d >>> work. >>> >>> Josh >> >> Good luck! >> -- >> Eric Mangold >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, or how to do it (The on= ly > thin I know about lisp is that you debug it by adding '}' characters t= o > the end of the file) > > Josh I mean you'll have a flag (variable) that you set when you want to match= = the next window. Then you'll hook window creation and check to see if th= at = flag is set. If it is, then you handle that window and unset the flag. e.g. At the top-level in your ~/.sawfish/rc file: (define match-next-window nil) (defun handle-new-window (win) (if match-next-window (progn (define match-next-window nil) (ALL YOUR STUFF HERE) ) ) ) (add-hook 'after-add-window-hook handle-new-window) Then you'll just need to do a (define match-next-window t) when you want= = the next window handled. Cheers, -Eric From fccaner@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 06:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4EA3B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29520-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B633B00D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2224321ugc for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dxt3I9LvFDKEnVzRqadBs58CV07AvLxg94PcJrqopSUAcFNwQF0hX/CAv7ahnmNYr5LFKqU6DbsrueaQs4zKbdz+ps8doy9ZTXokGRf3RdUTvQccGV6i2H0u1SeEKbq1Whpli2OjF1h6pWbzM4k5PqfGxAheQ89vLKeyMNCUsEE= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr4997208ugg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?147.83.51.210? ( [147.83.51.2]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm6597125uge.2006.06.12.03.00.34; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <448D3B3C.2050402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:28 +0200 From: "F.Caner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: Subject: windowing theme X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0000 Does anyone remember the windowing theme, similar to BeOS (i.e. usually shorter than the top length of the window depending on the length of the title displayed), but automatically adjusting the position of the window title bar along the top length of the window so as to make it visible, if it is possible at all, when in its current position the title bar becomes invisible due to another window blocking it? I vaguely remember the existence of some such theme, but I might have seen it in another window manager as well. If there is really such a theme, and if it is available for sawfish, I would like to use it. Or was it a sawfish functionality to be put into .sawfishrc to make, say BeOS theme, to function as such? I don't really remember well. Thanks in advance, FCC. From rishikhatri@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A53B041A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02250-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E923B0352 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.225.162.30] by web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rishi Khatri Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rishi Khatri List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:03 -0000 --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available.
Cheers,
Rishi.
--0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759-- From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Wed Jun 14 17:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD43B00F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30983-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BB3B009F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqd5m-0001n9-6L for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from 204.86.58.5 ([204.86.58.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by 204.86.58.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Lines: 44 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.86.58.5 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XF=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 1.116 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:40:40 -0000 I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal@harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76A3B0102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10417-06 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301E83B00FA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EMPjLO017075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:46 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k5EMPj2S017071; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:27:29 -0000 On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd@leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CA73B0155 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06542-05 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cel.leo (unknown [62.49.94.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03573B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nim.leo (nim.leo [192.168.42.3]) by cel.leo (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698B22C0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 From: Paul LeoNerd Evans To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier@cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E243B013D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11071-04 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571F43B00F3 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11] by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (SMTPD-8.22) id A1D306A8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:03 -0400 Received: From courrier ([206.167.164.11]) by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1150345682336; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Received: from 206.167.165.79 by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (LogSat Software SMTP Server) Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 From: Pierre Pelletier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! 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From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227303B00CA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20025-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598F3B002B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so196662pyd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.17 with SMTP id b17mr2522866pym; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:40:49 -0000 On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Thu Jun 15 18:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E63B01FF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02768-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB53B01CB for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr031-00058X-KG for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([66.41.205.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:11:18 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast@md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169183B0011 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (ares.md.kth.se [130.237.57.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47453B000B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA871A7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se ([130.237.57.10]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31893-10 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D8A7586 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (84-217-122-127.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.122.127]) by ares.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1FA7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 From: Johan Ingvast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0000 Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB703B06EE for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12115-06 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C63B033A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so788305pyd for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr5530114pyi; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0000 On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E553B0D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27154-04 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D3B0D13 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AEC6217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:57:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIEJiLa+kEAX for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0EC61B7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:59:48 -0000 Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AA3B0D94 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD3B0D73 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J6sNrO059326; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:54:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1549/Sat Jun 17 17:20:39 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:54:57 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB3B0193 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7DCE7CC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24UwNNPbE-Bi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B60CE7E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:10 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C403B0EB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08683-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569E33B0E69 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K048nF058368; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1550/Mon Jun 19 12:01:35 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E73B013C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25545-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B63B0D93 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so1458800pyd for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr9274705pyi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:26:55 -0000 On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo@nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D83B01C9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.nul-unu.com (ns0.nul-unu.com [207.44.202.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C123B000C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caribdis.nul-unu.com (dsl-201-129-56-199.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.56.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns0.nul-unu.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHvblP030433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from rodrigo by caribdis.nul-unu.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FskSK-0005bU-RJ for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 From: Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.535 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0000 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. --=20 Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmDa0AZmDGK3JvCgRAkPtAJ9oooOjRaNUuBKfxM+Q28CkIfi35gCdGbI+ Nsh55dG0JPsc9Wu850otzXk= =2Sut -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6-- From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C623B0508 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20794-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236323B002A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so2103109pyg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr10778214pyj; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606210119l1bf8b7caw40f5bbdba727d6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:19:31 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: General system slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:33 -0000 On 6/20/06, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the > problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben > able to reproduce it. The complete report is at > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 > > > Has anyone seen anything like it? > Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and > haven't found anything like it. > Using Sid and Sawfish in a couple of desktops and a notebook but never encountered something like that. Maybe is something related to Xinerama or the videocard driver, it's not clear from the bugreport if he's using a proprietary driver or not. For the records, i've never tried Xinerama and actually i'm only using the Xorg drivers. Andrea From levi@cygnetnet.net Wed Jun 21 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC493B0473 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23702-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25B3B00EE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-68-163-102-45.bos.east.verizon.net ([68.163.102.45] helo=cygnetnet.net) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1Ft6D0-0002Kl-Ek for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:42 -0400 Received: from tatiana.cygnetnet.net (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by cygnetnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29E689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tatiana.cygnetnet.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id A790DBAC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.163.102.45 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: karispost Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 From: Levi Ramsey To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: sawfish-ui: Gtk error Message-ID: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_MD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:46 -0000 Using rep 0.17 and sawfish 1.3... sawfish-ui dies immediately with: (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 -- Levi Ramsey levi@cygnetnet.net leviable@gmail.com Key Fingerprint: EB2F B957 5273 3776 7EA0 AB47 7BF0 809C AE51 D378 Linux 2.6.8.1-10mdk 13:05:00 up 10 days, 10:58, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.61, 0.53 From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Wed Jun 21 16:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536523B0541 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02393-10 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C393B0536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D7612F63CF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 (CEST) To: Levi Ramsey Subject: Re: sawfish-ui: Gtk error X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> (Levi Ramsey's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:04:52 -0000 Levi Ramsey writes: > (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line > 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion > `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed > *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 Probably that's what I described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sawfish-list/2006-January/msg00010.html I think it is fixed in rep-gtk CVS. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7333B021B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31515-05 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010323B04C8 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B337C5024 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g27hZVo+32Bi for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E50C5013 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:53 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.355 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:52:01 -0000 Was reading 'Building a Better Window Manager' at http://twistedmatrix.com/~teratorn/better_wm/better_wm.html. Stumbled onto a difficulty. (require 'lookup) only beeps (this is kind of telling me something is wrong I guess, I'd say it's a bit more terse than I'd prefer it'd be). I got lookup.jl and companions at address suggested in the article in question. user> load-path ("/home/vlz/.sawfish/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/1.3/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/site-lisp" "/usr/share/rep/0.17/lisp" "/usr/share/rep/site-lisp" "." "/var/lib/sawfish") $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl string2.jl url.jl All works for another module (not related to lookup.jl) user> (require 'iswitch-window) iswitch-window I'm using Debian, Sarge dpkg -l librep-dev $ dpkg -l librep-dev ... ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep Is there a way to learn why (require 'lookup) beeps with more detail?. Some error message maybe? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 09:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108C3B066F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32611-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2473B064B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF1CA205 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hx-J4nWoJyDA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A3300CA31E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622165919.20e9ad56.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:28 -0000 This one I solved. I just forgot to download remote-application.jl, url.jl depends on it. I still however don't know how to debug *.jl files. After solving the fist problem appeared the next. "Remote-application failed to start an instance!" This error I get while issuing a command with something sensible x-selected. (lookup "google" t t) The new mozilla-firefox window appears in spite the fact that one is present already, but this new Mozilla's window is empty. If you didn't read my first message on the same subject, I'll repeat. I'm trying to get LOOKUP.JL get working ( http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html ). I'm using Debian, Sarge $ dpkg -l | egrep 'librep-dev|mozilla|sawfish' ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 a window manager for X11 $ $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl remote-application.jl string2.jl url.jl $ Would appreciate any clue how to get it working. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 05:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C133B0198 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03662-05 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06C3B0132 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCFC78B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZukzlA5IsSxu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396CC7880 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:09 -0000 I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp usage. If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should (require 'lookup) However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? Or to reload the module lookup? At least (require 'lookup) seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, however, when I try something like (lookup "google" t nil) and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a Your search - ÆÒÉÚÉÑ - did not match any documents. waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". When I call (prompt-for-string "Foo:") in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" user> What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 07:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BA03B0150 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9E3B006E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so971790pyd for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr3431200pyl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.10 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:31:50 -0000 On 6/24/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. [...] > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? > I don't know Sawfish's inner workings very well, but to restart it you can use the "sawfish-client" command, something like "sawfish-client -f restart" instead of restarting the whole X session. Said that, probably there's a better way to do what you want, probably unloading and then reloading the module (i'm only guessing)... I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL (read-eval-print loop) environment, in this way you can exploit the dynamic properties of a Lisp dialect like REP. There's a Sawfish Emacs mode that has key bindings to evaluate expression with the running Sawfish instance. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46983B0490 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12514-02 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (unknown [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7B3B045E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02397CBA6F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX97ucvEn-pu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A59D7CBA2D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL > (read-eval-print loop) environment,... Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Sat Jun 24 09:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC263B02EB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16069-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B43B08F7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530C615B41BB; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 (CEST) To: Vladimir Zolotykh Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:23:42 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > >> I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL >> (read-eval-print loop) environment,... > > Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs > > ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep no, he meant "sawfish-client" command, which connects to the running sawfish process (to have commands executed). > ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? This one looks more recent: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/libs/librep-0.13.5/index.html see the "The REPL" chapter first, it explains how to dig some information (search for variables by name etc., get help strings). -- http://maruska.dyndns.org/wiki/ From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Sun Jun 25 02:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5573B0243 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19230-04 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7543B02E4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FuNjy-0006ZQ-Or for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.55.146]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: asr@ufl.edu (Allen S. Rout) Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Date: 24 Jun 2006 22:09:18 -0400 Organization: Dis- Lines: 42 Message-ID: <861wtej8a9.fsf@ufl.edu> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.123 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? If my elisp memories are applicable, then note: (require 'feature) means: + look through the files in the library directories I know about + Locate a library say, feature.jl, or some file that does (provide 'feature)? does that work? + make sure that we've (load) 'ed that file. This means that if you (require) a file lots of times, it'll only get loaded once, which can save you a bunch of headaches. Many people don't design their libraries to be loaded repeatedly. If you want to re-load the file, then try ( load-module 'feature ) - Allen S. Rout From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 03:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25833B034E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21973-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666A3B020A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.WUAW27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.XXMC16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-0002iP-VO; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-00026A-S7; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.892 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.892 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:34:58 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Hi Vladimir, It's nice to know that someone's using lookup.jl ;-) The command you want is ,reload lookup inside sawfish-client > > Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from > sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does > PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl > (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, > however, when I try something like > > (lookup "google" t nil) > > and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a > > Your search - ??????? ???? - did not match any documents. > > waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same > search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get > plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that > funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". > > When I call > > (prompt-for-string "Foo:") > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > user> > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the transcoding sorted out. Ewan. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 25 08:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811BE3B00DC for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12964-08 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FB3B008F for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F31DC565F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8l4NypPqyW96; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C42FC563F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:12:10 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Ewan Mellor wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > [snip] > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > user> > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > transcoding sorted out. It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. ÁÂ×ÇÄÅÖ Their KOI8-r octal codes are 301 302 327 307 304 305 326 Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to fix that myself. I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. I'm concerned with the popup window produced by PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Is it focused when present on the screen? Let me give a few more detail. My ~/.xxkbrc contains XXkb.app_list.wm_class_class.alt_group1: emacs Emacs which roughly means 'don't change group for the Emacs window'. And my ~/.sawfishrc has (defun event-for-emacs () (when (string-match "^Emacs" (window-class (input-focus))) (synthesize-event (current-event) (input-focus)))) (bind-keys global-keymap "F13" event-for-emacs) there is a couple of other detail which I'll omit for shortness sake. All this enables Emacs's command TOGGLE-INPUT-METHOD being invoked by Shift+CAPS (another setting in the XKB), while pressing the same key Shift+CAPS in say Xterm window just changes it's group. Returning back to the PROMPT-FOR-STRING, seems that the window it produces somehow inherits the related properties of the visible window above which it's positioned. To put it simple, if PROMPT-FOR-STRING window positioned above Emacs's window, I'm unable to enter Russian letters at all (Emacs always in Group1 according to ~/.xxkbrc settings), with PROMPT-FOR-STRING's window positioned above say Xterm window all is fine. One final observation, BackSpace (keycode 22) being used for PROMPT-FOR-STRING, correcting typed string interactively doesn't back space at all. user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\010" user> In this example, after the PROMPT-FOR-STRING window appeared, I changed Group to Russian and pressed three keys Cyrillic small letter A Cyrillic small letter BE BackSpace It's applicable also for other non-printable letters like Return and only while typing in Russian Group. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 08:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FCB3B0085 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13836-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13733B0079 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.EWTX27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.MFLK24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtL-0002qZ-42; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:14 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtK-0002XP-Sw; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625123906.GB7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.640, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:39:20 -0000 On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 02:41:36PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 > Ewan Mellor wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > > > [snip] > > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > > user> > > > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > > transcoding sorted out. > It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. > > ??????? > > Their KOI8-r octal codes are > > 301 > 302 > 327 > 307 > 304 > 305 > 326 > > Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are > > 430 > 431 > 432 > 433 > 434 > 435 > 436 > > I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox > 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, > which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, > either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or > explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing > the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to > fix that myself. Yes, what is happening is prompt-for-string is just passing the bytes that you give it, so it's returning the KOI8-r bytes. This is then going to url-escape-query in my url.jl module, which is turning it into %c1 etc for sending to Google as the query string for the URL. This is obviously then being misinterpreted. I presume that the URL spec somewhere says that the characters must be converted to UTF-8. I can't find a reference for that, but that's what my browser (Opera) seems to do. For that to be done properly in the url module, it would need to discover the character encoding being used for Sawfish (presumably the one set by your locale) and then convert to UTF-8 correctly. Someone some time ago posted some patches for making Sawfish work with Japanese (IIRC). Perhaps you could dig those out of the archives and see what the design for that work was. > I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or > Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB > terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is > ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window > basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. > I'm concerned with the popup window produced by > PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Well, I get this: ewan $ xwininfo xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window. xwininfo: Window id: 0x802696 (has no name) so it looks like you are out of luck with a name, though I guess you might be able to give it one (modifying Sawfish appropriately, of course). The X input stuff is all voodoo to me I'm afraid, so I can't help there. Try digging in the archives again. Ewan. From markd@kermodei.org Fri Jun 2 03:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7893B1075 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07689-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C93B1073 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k527sTVu026927 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:54:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k527tQRE153210 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FD5C57 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 44219-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12A0C5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.076 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.076 X-Spam-Level: Subject: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:55:31 -0000 With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even release version 1.0. I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed linux systems. - BSD packages can't get the fixes. - perception of death means no one develops anything new for it. Nothing last forever, eventually great pieces of software get displaced by something that is substantially better. However, in the case of X11 window managers, there isn't anything even close to Sawfish. So, please, some bug fix releases at least! mark From janek_listy@wp.pl Fri Jun 2 07:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0663B110C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21010-10 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BECA3B10F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 13490 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Received: from ahz187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO absurd) (janek_listy@[83.25.207.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:05 +0200 From: Janek Kozicki To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602131405.40c33a39@absurd> In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: *+CD#zxx>41FGRj.7[Oj4Y4GeS\7X; 9Rs-kCy?!CdH?dY8uNk,[u+ll/h7ug-/vNbQbxba1 ec_NX~hXO?N$0+OBX#?FtNAIro=7_hekx6bIESZC-kq ^jiC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:14:11 -0000 Mark Diekhans said: (by the date of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700) > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went > in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from > openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to > configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all > either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly > document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just > never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even > release version 1.0. > > I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window > manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? > > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? I beg for release too. -- Janek Kozicki | From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14173B0115 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11362-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490913B0371 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQYGu010976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HQYdb010972; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: Mark Diekhans Message-ID: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:26:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. It runs for me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? > > - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed > linux systems. What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the current CVS sources? That is what I did. AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. Michal From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249003B02A0 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11904-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB013B045F for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Hchni011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HchbK011195 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:38:46 -0000 Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. --- librep/rep.m4~ 1999-11-19 07:50:26.000000000 -0700 +++ librep/rep.m4 2004-12-12 14:33:26.299324312 -0700 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ dnl AM_PATH_REP([MINIMUM_VERSION]) dnl Test for librep, define REP_VERSION, REP_CFLAGS, REP_LIBS and REP_EXECDIR dnl -AC_DEFUN(AM_PATH_REP, +AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_REP], [dnl AC_ARG_WITH(rep_prefix,[ --with-rep-prefix=PFX Prefix where rep is installed (optional)], [rep_prefix="$withval"], [rep_prefix=""]) Michal From denis@ural.org Fri Jun 2 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320B3B052E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05877-09 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ural.org (unknown [85.115.166.251]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3B0534 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.115.165.127] (helo=arietis.arietis.denis) by mail.ural.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FmLp2-0006VA-8Z; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:25:04 +0600 To: Michal Jaegermann References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> From: Denis Nikiforov X-Face: *+^$JI24p+W&}*/&5, zq_}{!]%A@?FR_>1%\Vm2!UJIilEbAb6'3T]fYwX1H"(a9SUn>&CF g^`pe)6euC Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:26:08 +0600 In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> (Michal Jaegermann's message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") Message-ID: <87wtbz560v.fsf@arietis.arietis> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:25:17 -0000 (transmit-message (Hello 'Michal) (You-wrote :on "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") (Say '( [...] MJ> AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. ,----[ apt-cache show sawfish ] | Package: sawfish | ... | Version: 1:1.3+cvs20050709-6 | ... `---- -- ))) => t (WBR '(Denis Nikiforov) :mailto denis@ural.org) From markd@kermodei.org Sat Jun 3 00:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE03B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11849-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB163B0556 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534dTEq032662 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534dJHe254182; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426055C57; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 54223-03; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59D6A5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17537.4725.214766.391730@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 To: Michal Jaegermann In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.046 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.046 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:39:23 -0000 Michal Jaegermann writes: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, > > These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be widely known. > It runs for > me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. and on several version of FreeBSD. > What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the > current CVS sources? That is what I did. Nothing, although to get my admins to install an RPM that doesn't come with the distro requires buying them beer. They run a 1000 node cluster for us, so there are many other software things I would rather spend my admin beer budget on. > Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. will be glad to assist.. mark From jsh@unfactored.org Sat Jun 3 00:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858E3B05BA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12185-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A893B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534hEVu015305 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:43:16 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.120.85.205] Received: from mail.unfactored.org (adsl-66-120-85-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.120.85.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534iBfq172000; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unfactored.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805A8AC09E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Harper In-Reply-To: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed References: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> To: Michal Jaegermann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v813) Message-Id: <29696C03-E072-4C44-9716-14A90B3BEF6B@unfactored.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.813) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:44:17 -0000 On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about > underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. thanks, I applied your patch. John From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 3 07:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242C3B0647 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31228-07 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759D3B0634 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B1C6C54 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQj5sv-g3Wl8 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB7DC6C53 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:17:58 -0000 Does anybody know why Emacs frames (created by switch-to-buffer-other-frame or similar command) don't get focused in Sawfish (using Sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 Debian package)? For example, the following transcript shows the problem (having only one Emacs frame, let's call it #1): C-x 5 b foo The new Emacs frame (#2) is raised and focused now C-x 5 o The frame #1 is raised but _not_ focused The another spot where focus goes lost is when I install some package using APTITUDE (the Debian package utility). Frequently after that the Xterm window with APTITUDE in it loose the focus. I had a wild guess that it is because of me using fbpanel (4.1-2), but that's all, wasn't able to do any practical with it. Using Emacs 21.4.1 I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 3 17:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894733B059D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30897-10 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876163B042D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so867698uge for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhQ0zavIkLUt2ubMotGBLpxHmjBZ3GU4WWzX7tJHI8g9dYPd0gCjV2XmqEtpHoGcGKEdxLxM/ClKgtct+0ODfRM+I3HmjXNIiLhYuknS5yqysgPGoAMGDtMZiGl5hnh3FwGeX+RgaUUyxdu0V/nU5/TL07sJAuYvksweedp4EwQ= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1995932ugm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:33:20 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: [...] > > I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 4 02:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220723B01B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18891-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A23B0156 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3997C424A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI9fW0n1PPLi for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F8C4254 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:09:25 -0000 On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Sun Jun 4 05:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BD3B009C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07385-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A43B0097 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([62.248.247.87]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060604091325.VRYR5174.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 217E68072; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:13:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300") Message-ID: <87mzctwaff.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:13:31 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: >> I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs >> versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For >> the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Also seems to work with XEmacs in click-to-focus mode. I am running Debian as well, Sawfish and XEmacs from unstable. > What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click > focus do you see? It is quick, particularly when you are typing: you just shove the mouse, you don't need to grab it well enough to push a button. It is also naturally independent of other functions: you don't need to think whether the click will pass through to the application or not. The flip side is that other methods of changing focus, such as window cycling or a popup automatically getting focused, cause focus to end up in a different window than the pointer, which is an anomaly. It can be avoided by warping the pointer, but that is also confusing. -- Timo Korvola From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 07:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83B0187 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13712-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D403B00BD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so963370uge for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i1iwWvYeTrEepmWv4ckd4M2QZbVSjrw3qIfrymnV2J14M8s0b1ho1PC+q3kEqcKgezI2kPDRovhdwLuDzgEI25pJTe8yG6og+yXSR6PDfprLVN6l8sRevF7VPB6KGYS7oHdkwzYp2TleIzCg+5KDoyrG2qDhdjyB797+zZxjAs8= Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr2392119ugl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606040439g15a7e297u8add36952e39646c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:39:12 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:39:17 -0000 On 6/4/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > > > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. > > Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However > I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? > I think the only advantage is when you use the X11 copy&paste, i.e. the left/right mouse button to select text and the central button to paste, i usually canceled or modified the selection trying to give focus to a window with the click to focus method. Andrea From famrom@infernal-iceberg.com Sun Jun 4 11:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC13B0170 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26687-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fake.com (16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.32.164.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3543B009F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from unnamed@localhost) by fake.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54FjEY02727 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 From: GSR - FR To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060604174514.A2575@blitzkrieg.battleship> Mail-Followup-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua>; from gsmith@eurocom.od.ua on Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:15AM +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.868, BAYES_20=-0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:45:19 -0000 Hi, gsmith@eurocom.od.ua (2006-06-04 at 0909.15 +0300): > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? Pro: you only have to move the mouse (less effort). Con: you better not hit the mouse randomly (more control required). It is a matter of preference, some people prefer one instead of the other. In other systems you only get click normally, or have to do something "hidden" to enable other modes so people think that is the only way, X11 has been always a bit more experimental/free (choose wm... so why not choose focus style?). I use unclutter so the pointer hides after some time without moving, btw. GSR From rafi@ugcs.caltech.edu Sun Jun 4 07:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C053B01C0 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13509-03 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (heave.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8453B01D8 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3016) id 341928F489; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 1C3E4EAC9A; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafi Rubin To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: xtightvncviewer focus trouble X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:36:01 -0000 I'm using tightvnc version 1.2.9 on a debian sid system with sawfish version 1.3, and Xorg 7.0.0 Focus is set to enter-only and raise on focus is enabled. The xtightvncviewer window seems to be confusing the focus system. If the window is focus with the mouse, without crossing the border decorations, that is if the mouse is moved from a window that's covering the vnc window, or the frame is set to "no-border", the window does not raise, and the decorations stay in the unfocused state. But the mouse and keystroke seem to get passed to the target window anyway. If the window is selected via keyboard, window cycling, or selected in the window list, the window does raise, but doesn't catch keystrokes. I should add, that if I switch to fullscreen mode with a vnc session that's smaller than my screen, and the mouse falls over the edge, it hopeless loses focus and drops off the window list, and won't take keyboard input even with the mouse over the window. I've seen none of these behaviors with any other windows. Rafi From eli@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0583B029F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02368-05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2873B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0004Z7-Iu for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0005vN-Dx for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:13:40 -0000 Just in case someone is maintaining Sawfish: Our project's applications were not playing nicely with Sawfish. After a long debugging session, I got to this line in events.c: if (actual == xa_compound_text || actual == XA_STRING) which didn't allow a new title event received from out application. It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 03:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F813B04C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A3B0534 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.243.248]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608070619.WUQ15754.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154F8072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:06:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400") Message-ID: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in Sawfish. There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves the two types that appear in the if statement. UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in Sawfish. -- Timo Korvola From eli@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882AE3B05A8 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13937-06 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8A83B05A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0002th-N1; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0004Aj-KM; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 To: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.427 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.427 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:12:07 -0000 On Jun 8, Timo.Korvola@iki.fi wrote: > Eli Barzilay writes: > > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. > > It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in > Sawfish. Possibly. The thing is that no other WM has this problem. (Except for the ones I tried, we have a good user base, and nobody ever complained about this except for me...) > There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types > for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does > not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves > the two types that appear in the if statement. > > UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can > use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 > encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should > use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am > not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in > Sawfish. I know nothing about these protocols... Let me try to put some code -- our application sets the title using this code: if (!utf8_atom) { utf8_atom = XInternAtom(XtDisplay(X->frame), "UTF8_STRING", FALSE); } XtVaSetValues(X->frame, XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, NULL); Does it look like there's a problem here? -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 12:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43A43B0F60 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18653-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep30-app.kolumbus.fi (fep30-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8953B0FAE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.244.25]) by fep30-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608160334.PMUV1041.fep30-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADC668072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400") Message-ID: <87verbbpnu.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:59 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > XtVaSetValues(X->frame, > XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, > XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, > NULL); It must be nearly 20 years since I did anything with Xt, but this looks like it is going to set the type of WM_TITLE and WM_ICON_NAME to UTF8_STRING, which is an error. Xt is probably just too ancient to support EWMH in any way. Most popular toolkits these days are not built on Xt. If you need to use Xt, perhaps you can put in the EWMH properties by hand. -- Timo Korvola From jbabcock@atlantech.net Fri Jun 9 19:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E65E3B0085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29563-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9563B00A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4123471 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:44 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: Subject: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0000 How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a matched window setting that I first need to ignore. Josh From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 02:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059303B03CD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13062-01 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E943B02FC for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A6JDC8082270; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:19:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:18:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I wan= t > to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a= > matched window setting that I first need to ignore. > > Josh I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before= = and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more = difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the = = window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the= = window on its behalf. Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets = created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hope that helps... -- Eric Mangold From jbabcock@atlantech.net Sat Jun 10 09:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79E3B0485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-02 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447883B0285 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4169024 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:02 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.281 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.281 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:22:05 -0000 Eric Mangold wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock > wrote: > >> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want >> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a >> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >> >> Josh > > I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before > and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more > difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the > window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the > window on its behalf. That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > > Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets > created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let that one go. Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then modifies the most recent window. Better yet would be to start a process and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on the id. I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should work. Josh From news@l7010.de Sat Jun 10 15:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECE3B010D for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24012-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624863B0232 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32360 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.102]) (276564@[195.158.179.146]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <448B246B.6080905@l7010.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Schr=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060522 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:41 -0000 Josh Babcock schrieb: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let > that one go. > why not just open a special html page with a set title? like: Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywilljust a filler to have a nicer day sawfish matches with regexps so you can match on ^.*Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywill.*$ now just a make sawfish keybinding for firefox top open this page in a new window. it would be: firefox -browser ~/.sawfishspecialrecognitionpage.html just my 2 cents regards Christian From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 20:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8E3B025B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01222-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779D83B01C1 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B0Tr6o016796; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:29:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:29:24 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:30:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I w= ant >>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have= a >>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>> >>> Josh >> >> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates bef= ore >> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more >> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open t= he >> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open = the >> window on its behalf. > > That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > >> >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with = a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let= > that one go. > > Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be= > possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then > modifies the most recent window. I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch Fire= fox you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created. > Better yet would be to start a process > and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on > the id. > > I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique > h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should = = > work. > > Josh Good luck! -- Eric Mangold From teratorn@world-net.net Sun Jun 11 01:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189E3B0086 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10856-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DB3B009D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B4mFPD092234; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:48:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:55:38 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> Eric Mangold wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I= = >>>>> want >>>>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already ha= ve = >>>>> a >>>>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>> >>>> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates = >>>> before >>>> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even mor= e >>>> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open= = >>>> the >>>> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to ope= n = >>>> the >>>> window on its behalf. >>> >>> That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. >>> >>>> >>>> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it get= s >>>> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window wit= h a >>> particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll l= et >>> that one go. >>> >>> Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would = be >>> possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then >>> modifies the most recent window. >> >> I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch = >> Firefox >> you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created= . >> >>> Better yet would be to start a process >>> and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based o= n >>> the id. >>> >>> I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, uniqu= e >>> h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it shoul= d >>> work. >>> >>> Josh >> >> Good luck! >> -- >> Eric Mangold >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, or how to do it (The on= ly > thin I know about lisp is that you debug it by adding '}' characters t= o > the end of the file) > > Josh I mean you'll have a flag (variable) that you set when you want to match= = the next window. Then you'll hook window creation and check to see if th= at = flag is set. If it is, then you handle that window and unset the flag. e.g. At the top-level in your ~/.sawfish/rc file: (define match-next-window nil) (defun handle-new-window (win) (if match-next-window (progn (define match-next-window nil) (ALL YOUR STUFF HERE) ) ) ) (add-hook 'after-add-window-hook handle-new-window) Then you'll just need to do a (define match-next-window t) when you want= = the next window handled. Cheers, -Eric From fccaner@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 06:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4EA3B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29520-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B633B00D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2224321ugc for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dxt3I9LvFDKEnVzRqadBs58CV07AvLxg94PcJrqopSUAcFNwQF0hX/CAv7ahnmNYr5LFKqU6DbsrueaQs4zKbdz+ps8doy9ZTXokGRf3RdUTvQccGV6i2H0u1SeEKbq1Whpli2OjF1h6pWbzM4k5PqfGxAheQ89vLKeyMNCUsEE= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr4997208ugg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?147.83.51.210? ( [147.83.51.2]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm6597125uge.2006.06.12.03.00.34; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <448D3B3C.2050402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:28 +0200 From: "F.Caner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: Subject: windowing theme X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0000 Does anyone remember the windowing theme, similar to BeOS (i.e. usually shorter than the top length of the window depending on the length of the title displayed), but automatically adjusting the position of the window title bar along the top length of the window so as to make it visible, if it is possible at all, when in its current position the title bar becomes invisible due to another window blocking it? I vaguely remember the existence of some such theme, but I might have seen it in another window manager as well. If there is really such a theme, and if it is available for sawfish, I would like to use it. Or was it a sawfish functionality to be put into .sawfishrc to make, say BeOS theme, to function as such? I don't really remember well. Thanks in advance, FCC. From rishikhatri@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A53B041A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02250-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E923B0352 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.225.162.30] by web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rishi Khatri Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rishi Khatri List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:03 -0000 --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available.
Cheers,
Rishi.
--0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759-- From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Wed Jun 14 17:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD43B00F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30983-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BB3B009F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqd5m-0001n9-6L for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from 204.86.58.5 ([204.86.58.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by 204.86.58.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Lines: 44 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.86.58.5 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XF=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 1.116 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:40:40 -0000 I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal@harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76A3B0102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10417-06 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301E83B00FA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EMPjLO017075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:46 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k5EMPj2S017071; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:27:29 -0000 On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd@leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CA73B0155 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06542-05 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cel.leo (unknown [62.49.94.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03573B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nim.leo (nim.leo [192.168.42.3]) by cel.leo (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698B22C0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 From: Paul LeoNerd Evans To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier@cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E243B013D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11071-04 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571F43B00F3 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11] by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (SMTPD-8.22) id A1D306A8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:03 -0400 Received: From courrier ([206.167.164.11]) by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1150345682336; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Received: from 206.167.165.79 by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (LogSat Software SMTP Server) Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 From: Pierre Pelletier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server: LogSat Software SMTP Server X-SF-RX-Return-Path: X-SF-HELO-Domain: [206.167.165.79] X-SF-WhiteListedReason: Whitelisted Peer IP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:28:25 -0000 Hello, I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! Pierre Pelletier Linux forever ! -- "Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressÃs !" From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227303B00CA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20025-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598F3B002B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so196662pyd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.17 with SMTP id b17mr2522866pym; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:40:49 -0000 On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Thu Jun 15 18:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E63B01FF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02768-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB53B01CB for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr031-00058X-KG for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([66.41.205.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:11:18 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast@md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169183B0011 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (ares.md.kth.se [130.237.57.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47453B000B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA871A7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se ([130.237.57.10]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31893-10 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D8A7586 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (84-217-122-127.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.122.127]) by ares.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1FA7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 From: Johan Ingvast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0000 Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB703B06EE for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12115-06 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C63B033A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so788305pyd for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr5530114pyi; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0000 On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E553B0D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27154-04 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D3B0D13 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AEC6217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:57:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIEJiLa+kEAX for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0EC61B7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:59:48 -0000 Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AA3B0D94 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD3B0D73 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J6sNrO059326; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:54:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1549/Sat Jun 17 17:20:39 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:54:57 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB3B0193 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7DCE7CC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24UwNNPbE-Bi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B60CE7E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:10 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C403B0EB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08683-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569E33B0E69 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K048nF058368; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1550/Mon Jun 19 12:01:35 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E73B013C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25545-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B63B0D93 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so1458800pyd for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr9274705pyi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:26:55 -0000 On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo@nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D83B01C9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.nul-unu.com (ns0.nul-unu.com [207.44.202.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C123B000C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caribdis.nul-unu.com (dsl-201-129-56-199.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.56.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns0.nul-unu.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHvblP030433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from rodrigo by caribdis.nul-unu.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FskSK-0005bU-RJ for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 From: Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.535 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0000 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. --=20 Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmDa0AZmDGK3JvCgRAkPtAJ9oooOjRaNUuBKfxM+Q28CkIfi35gCdGbI+ Nsh55dG0JPsc9Wu850otzXk= =2Sut -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6-- From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C623B0508 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20794-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236323B002A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so2103109pyg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr10778214pyj; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606210119l1bf8b7caw40f5bbdba727d6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:19:31 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: General system slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:33 -0000 On 6/20/06, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the > problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben > able to reproduce it. The complete report is at > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 > > > Has anyone seen anything like it? > Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and > haven't found anything like it. > Using Sid and Sawfish in a couple of desktops and a notebook but never encountered something like that. Maybe is something related to Xinerama or the videocard driver, it's not clear from the bugreport if he's using a proprietary driver or not. For the records, i've never tried Xinerama and actually i'm only using the Xorg drivers. Andrea From levi@cygnetnet.net Wed Jun 21 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC493B0473 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23702-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25B3B00EE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-68-163-102-45.bos.east.verizon.net ([68.163.102.45] helo=cygnetnet.net) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1Ft6D0-0002Kl-Ek for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:42 -0400 Received: from tatiana.cygnetnet.net (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by cygnetnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29E689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tatiana.cygnetnet.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id A790DBAC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.163.102.45 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: karispost Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 From: Levi Ramsey To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: sawfish-ui: Gtk error Message-ID: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_MD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:46 -0000 Using rep 0.17 and sawfish 1.3... sawfish-ui dies immediately with: (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 -- Levi Ramsey levi@cygnetnet.net leviable@gmail.com Key Fingerprint: EB2F B957 5273 3776 7EA0 AB47 7BF0 809C AE51 D378 Linux 2.6.8.1-10mdk 13:05:00 up 10 days, 10:58, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.61, 0.53 From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Wed Jun 21 16:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536523B0541 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02393-10 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C393B0536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D7612F63CF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 (CEST) To: Levi Ramsey Subject: Re: sawfish-ui: Gtk error X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> (Levi Ramsey's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:04:52 -0000 Levi Ramsey writes: > (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line > 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion > `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed > *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 Probably that's what I described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sawfish-list/2006-January/msg00010.html I think it is fixed in rep-gtk CVS. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7333B021B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31515-05 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010323B04C8 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B337C5024 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g27hZVo+32Bi for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E50C5013 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:53 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.355 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:52:01 -0000 Was reading 'Building a Better Window Manager' at http://twistedmatrix.com/~teratorn/better_wm/better_wm.html. Stumbled onto a difficulty. (require 'lookup) only beeps (this is kind of telling me something is wrong I guess, I'd say it's a bit more terse than I'd prefer it'd be). I got lookup.jl and companions at address suggested in the article in question. user> load-path ("/home/vlz/.sawfish/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/1.3/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/site-lisp" "/usr/share/rep/0.17/lisp" "/usr/share/rep/site-lisp" "." "/var/lib/sawfish") $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl string2.jl url.jl All works for another module (not related to lookup.jl) user> (require 'iswitch-window) iswitch-window I'm using Debian, Sarge dpkg -l librep-dev $ dpkg -l librep-dev ... ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep Is there a way to learn why (require 'lookup) beeps with more detail?. Some error message maybe? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 09:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108C3B066F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32611-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2473B064B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF1CA205 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hx-J4nWoJyDA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A3300CA31E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622165919.20e9ad56.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:28 -0000 This one I solved. I just forgot to download remote-application.jl, url.jl depends on it. I still however don't know how to debug *.jl files. After solving the fist problem appeared the next. "Remote-application failed to start an instance!" This error I get while issuing a command with something sensible x-selected. (lookup "google" t t) The new mozilla-firefox window appears in spite the fact that one is present already, but this new Mozilla's window is empty. If you didn't read my first message on the same subject, I'll repeat. I'm trying to get LOOKUP.JL get working ( http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html ). I'm using Debian, Sarge $ dpkg -l | egrep 'librep-dev|mozilla|sawfish' ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 a window manager for X11 $ $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl remote-application.jl string2.jl url.jl $ Would appreciate any clue how to get it working. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 05:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C133B0198 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03662-05 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06C3B0132 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCFC78B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZukzlA5IsSxu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396CC7880 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:09 -0000 I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp usage. If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should (require 'lookup) However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? Or to reload the module lookup? At least (require 'lookup) seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, however, when I try something like (lookup "google" t nil) and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a Your search - ÆÒÉÚÉÑ - did not match any documents. waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". When I call (prompt-for-string "Foo:") in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" user> What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 07:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BA03B0150 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9E3B006E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so971790pyd for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr3431200pyl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.10 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:31:50 -0000 On 6/24/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. [...] > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? > I don't know Sawfish's inner workings very well, but to restart it you can use the "sawfish-client" command, something like "sawfish-client -f restart" instead of restarting the whole X session. Said that, probably there's a better way to do what you want, probably unloading and then reloading the module (i'm only guessing)... I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL (read-eval-print loop) environment, in this way you can exploit the dynamic properties of a Lisp dialect like REP. There's a Sawfish Emacs mode that has key bindings to evaluate expression with the running Sawfish instance. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46983B0490 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12514-02 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (unknown [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7B3B045E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02397CBA6F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX97ucvEn-pu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A59D7CBA2D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL > (read-eval-print loop) environment,... Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Sat Jun 24 09:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC263B02EB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16069-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B43B08F7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530C615B41BB; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 (CEST) To: Vladimir Zolotykh Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:23:42 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > >> I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL >> (read-eval-print loop) environment,... > > Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs > > ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep no, he meant "sawfish-client" command, which connects to the running sawfish process (to have commands executed). > ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? This one looks more recent: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/libs/librep-0.13.5/index.html see the "The REPL" chapter first, it explains how to dig some information (search for variables by name etc., get help strings). -- http://maruska.dyndns.org/wiki/ From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Sun Jun 25 02:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5573B0243 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19230-04 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7543B02E4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FuNjy-0006ZQ-Or for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.55.146]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: asr@ufl.edu (Allen S. Rout) Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Date: 24 Jun 2006 22:09:18 -0400 Organization: Dis- Lines: 42 Message-ID: <861wtej8a9.fsf@ufl.edu> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.123 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? If my elisp memories are applicable, then note: (require 'feature) means: + look through the files in the library directories I know about + Locate a library say, feature.jl, or some file that does (provide 'feature)? does that work? + make sure that we've (load) 'ed that file. This means that if you (require) a file lots of times, it'll only get loaded once, which can save you a bunch of headaches. Many people don't design their libraries to be loaded repeatedly. If you want to re-load the file, then try ( load-module 'feature ) - Allen S. Rout From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 03:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25833B034E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21973-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666A3B020A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.WUAW27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.XXMC16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-0002iP-VO; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-00026A-S7; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.892 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.892 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:34:58 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Hi Vladimir, It's nice to know that someone's using lookup.jl ;-) The command you want is ,reload lookup inside sawfish-client > > Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from > sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does > PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl > (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, > however, when I try something like > > (lookup "google" t nil) > > and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a > > Your search - ??????? ???? - did not match any documents. > > waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same > search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get > plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that > funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". > > When I call > > (prompt-for-string "Foo:") > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > user> > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the transcoding sorted out. Ewan. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 25 08:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811BE3B00DC for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12964-08 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FB3B008F for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F31DC565F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8l4NypPqyW96; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C42FC563F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:12:10 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Ewan Mellor wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > [snip] > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > user> > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > transcoding sorted out. It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. ÁÂ×ÇÄÅÖ Their KOI8-r octal codes are 301 302 327 307 304 305 326 Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to fix that myself. I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. I'm concerned with the popup window produced by PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Is it focused when present on the screen? Let me give a few more detail. My ~/.xxkbrc contains XXkb.app_list.wm_class_class.alt_group1: emacs Emacs which roughly means 'don't change group for the Emacs window'. And my ~/.sawfishrc has (defun event-for-emacs () (when (string-match "^Emacs" (window-class (input-focus))) (synthesize-event (current-event) (input-focus)))) (bind-keys global-keymap "F13" event-for-emacs) there is a couple of other detail which I'll omit for shortness sake. All this enables Emacs's command TOGGLE-INPUT-METHOD being invoked by Shift+CAPS (another setting in the XKB), while pressing the same key Shift+CAPS in say Xterm window just changes it's group. Returning back to the PROMPT-FOR-STRING, seems that the window it produces somehow inherits the related properties of the visible window above which it's positioned. To put it simple, if PROMPT-FOR-STRING window positioned above Emacs's window, I'm unable to enter Russian letters at all (Emacs always in Group1 according to ~/.xxkbrc settings), with PROMPT-FOR-STRING's window positioned above say Xterm window all is fine. One final observation, BackSpace (keycode 22) being used for PROMPT-FOR-STRING, correcting typed string interactively doesn't back space at all. user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\010" user> In this example, after the PROMPT-FOR-STRING window appeared, I changed Group to Russian and pressed three keys Cyrillic small letter A Cyrillic small letter BE BackSpace It's applicable also for other non-printable letters like Return and only while typing in Russian Group. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 08:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FCB3B0085 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13836-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13733B0079 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.EWTX27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.MFLK24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtL-0002qZ-42; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:14 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtK-0002XP-Sw; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625123906.GB7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.640, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:39:20 -0000 On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 02:41:36PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 > Ewan Mellor wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > > > [snip] > > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > > user> > > > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > > transcoding sorted out. > It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. > > ??????? > > Their KOI8-r octal codes are > > 301 > 302 > 327 > 307 > 304 > 305 > 326 > > Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are > > 430 > 431 > 432 > 433 > 434 > 435 > 436 > > I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox > 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, > which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, > either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or > explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing > the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to > fix that myself. Yes, what is happening is prompt-for-string is just passing the bytes that you give it, so it's returning the KOI8-r bytes. This is then going to url-escape-query in my url.jl module, which is turning it into %c1 etc for sending to Google as the query string for the URL. This is obviously then being misinterpreted. I presume that the URL spec somewhere says that the characters must be converted to UTF-8. I can't find a reference for that, but that's what my browser (Opera) seems to do. For that to be done properly in the url module, it would need to discover the character encoding being used for Sawfish (presumably the one set by your locale) and then convert to UTF-8 correctly. Someone some time ago posted some patches for making Sawfish work with Japanese (IIRC). Perhaps you could dig those out of the archives and see what the design for that work was. > I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or > Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB > terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is > ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window > basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. > I'm concerned with the popup window produced by > PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Well, I get this: ewan $ xwininfo xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window. xwininfo: Window id: 0x802696 (has no name) so it looks like you are out of luck with a name, though I guess you might be able to give it one (modifying Sawfish appropriately, of course). The X input stuff is all voodoo to me I'm afraid, so I can't help there. Try digging in the archives again. Ewan. From markd@kermodei.org Fri Jun 2 03:55:31 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC7893B1075 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07689-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA4C93B1073 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k527sTVu026927 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:54:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k527tQRE153210 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 03:55:27 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2FD5C57 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 44219-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 12A0C5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:24 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.076 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.035, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.076 X-Spam-Level: Subject: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 07:55:31 -0000 With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even release version 1.0. I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed linux systems. - BSD packages can't get the fixes. - perception of death means no one develops anything new for it. Nothing last forever, eventually great pieces of software get displaced by something that is substantially better. However, in the case of X11 window managers, there isn't anything even close to Sawfish. So, please, some bug fix releases at least! mark From janek_listy@wp.pl Fri Jun 2 07:14:11 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1C0663B110C for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:11 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21010-10 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtp.wp.pl (smtp.wp.pl [212.77.101.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BECA3B10F9 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 07:14:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (wp-smtpd smtp.wp.pl 13490 invoked from network); 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Received: from ahz187.neoplus.adsl.tpnet.pl (HELO absurd) (janek_listy@[83.25.207.187]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp.wp.pl (WP-SMTPD) with SMTP for ; 2 Jun 2006 13:14:07 +0200 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:14:05 +0200 From: Janek Kozicki To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602131405.40c33a39@absurd> In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) X-Face: *+CD#zxx>41FGRj.7[Oj4Y4GeS\7X; 9Rs-kCy?!CdH?dY8uNk,[u+ll/h7ug-/vNbQbxba1 ec_NX~hXO?N$0+OBX#?FtNAIro=7_hekx6bIESZC-kq ^jiC List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 11:14:11 -0000 Mark Diekhans said: (by the date of Fri, 2 Jun 2006 00:55:23 -0700) > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, I went > in search of a new window manager. I tried over a dozen, from > openbox to icebox, even spent a fair amount of time trying to > configure NeverStep into something reasonable. They were all > either not very flexible, or quirky in their flexibility. Poorly > document, if at all. Many really were dead, or perhaps just > never born. Most developers don't have the courage to even > release version 1.0. > > I finally came to the conclusion that there is no finer window > manager than Sawfish! Why am I suffering and wasting time??? > > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? I beg for release too. -- Janek Kozicki | From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:26:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14173B0115 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11362-02 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 490913B0371 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:26:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52HQYGu010976 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HQYdb010972; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: Mark Diekhans Message-ID: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:26:37 -0000 On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. It runs for me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. > So why is a release needed if one can get bug fixes from CVS??? > > - no RPMs, so difficult to get installed on admin managed > linux systems. What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the current CVS sources? That is what I did. AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. Michal From michal@harddata.com Fri Jun 2 13:38:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 249003B02A0 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11904-06 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB013B045F for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 13:38:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k52Hchni011199 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k52HchbK011195 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:38:43 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, UPPERCASE_25_50=0] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Subject: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 02 Jun 2006 17:38:46 -0000 Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. --- librep/rep.m4~ 1999-11-19 07:50:26.000000000 -0700 +++ librep/rep.m4 2004-12-12 14:33:26.299324312 -0700 @@ -4,7 +4,7 @@ dnl AM_PATH_REP([MINIMUM_VERSION]) dnl Test for librep, define REP_VERSION, REP_CFLAGS, REP_LIBS and REP_EXECDIR dnl -AC_DEFUN(AM_PATH_REP, +AC_DEFUN([AM_PATH_REP], [dnl AC_ARG_WITH(rep_prefix,[ --with-rep-prefix=PFX Prefix where rep is installed (optional)], [rep_prefix="$withval"], [rep_prefix=""]) Michal From denis@ural.org Fri Jun 2 22:25:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A320B3B052E for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05877-09 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.ural.org (unknown [85.115.166.251]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFBCD3B0534 for ; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 22:25:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [85.115.165.127] (helo=arietis.arietis.denis) by mail.ural.org with esmtp (Exim 4.44) id 1FmLp2-0006VA-8Z; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:25:04 +0600 To: Michal Jaegermann References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> From: Denis Nikiforov X-Face: *+^$JI24p+W&}*/&5, zq_}{!]%A@?FR_>1%\Vm2!UJIilEbAb6'3T]fYwX1H"(a9SUn>&CF g^`pe)6euC Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 08:26:08 +0600 In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> (Michal Jaegermann's message of "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") Message-ID: <87wtbz560v.fsf@arietis.arietis> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 02:25:17 -0000 (transmit-message (Hello 'Michal) (You-wrote :on "Fri, 2 Jun 2006 11:26:34 -0600") (Say '( [...] MJ> AFAIK Debian packages are up to date. ,----[ apt-cache show sawfish ] | Package: sawfish | ... | Version: 1:1.3+cvs20050709-6 | ... `---- -- ))) => t (WBR '(Denis Nikiforov) :mailto denis@ural.org) From markd@kermodei.org Sat Jun 3 00:39:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38BE03B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11849-03 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm15.prodigy.net (ylpvm15-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB163B0556 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (pimout6-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.22]) by ylpvm15.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534dTEq032662 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:29 -0400 X-ORBL: [67.123.80.209] Received: from osprey.kermodei.org (osprey.kermodei.org [67.123.80.209]) by pimout6-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534dJHe254182; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:39:20 -0400 Received: from localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 426055C57; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from osprey.kermodei.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (osprey.kermodei.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10025) with ESMTP id 54223-03; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by osprey.kermodei.org (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 59D6A5C4F; Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Mark Diekhans MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17537.4725.214766.391730@osprey.kermodei.org> Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:39:17 -0700 To: Michal Jaegermann In-Reply-To: <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> References: <17535.61163.180195.758558@osprey.kermodei.org> <20060602172634.GA10693@mail.harddata.com> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.3.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.046 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.005, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.046 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: I beg for a sawfish release.. X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:39:23 -0000 Michal Jaegermann writes: > On Fri, Jun 02, 2006 at 12:55:23AM -0700, Mark Diekhans wrote: > > > > With the wide spread impression that Sawfish is a dead, > > These rumours seems to be somewhat premature. Sadly, this doesn't seem to be widely known. > It runs for > me just fine with the current Fedora rawhide. and on several version of FreeBSD. > What stops you from recompiling your own rpm packages from the > current CVS sources? That is what I did. Nothing, although to get my admins to install an RPM that doesn't come with the distro requires buying them beer. They run a 1000 node cluster for us, so there are many other software things I would rather spend my admin beer budget on. > Indeed an "official" release would be helpful. will be glad to assist.. mark From jsh@unfactored.org Sat Jun 3 00:44:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0858E3B05BA for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12185-06 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ylpvm29.prodigy.net (ylpvm29-ext.prodigy.net [207.115.57.60]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02A893B05A3 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (pimout7-int.prodigy.net [207.115.4.147]) by ylpvm29.prodigy.net (8.12.10 outbound/8.12.10) with ESMTP id k534hEVu015305 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:43:16 -0400 X-ORBL: [66.120.85.205] Received: from mail.unfactored.org (adsl-66-120-85-205.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net [66.120.85.205]) by pimout7-ext.prodigy.net (8.13.6 out.dk/8.13.6) with ESMTP id k534iBfq172000; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 00:44:12 -0400 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.unfactored.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0805A8AC09E; Thu, 1 Jun 2006 23:21:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 2 Jun 2006 21:44:11 -0700 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: John Harper In-Reply-To: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed References: <20060602173843.GB10693@mail.harddata.com> To: Michal Jaegermann Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v813) Message-Id: <29696C03-E072-4C44-9716-14A90B3BEF6B@unfactored.org> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.813) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.399 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.493, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558] X-Spam-Score: -1.399 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: underquote complaints for librep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 04:44:17 -0000 On Jun 2, 2006, at 10:38 AM, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > Newer versions of libtool are not entirely happy and wail about > underquoted m4 macro. A fix is rather trivial. Just add brackets. thanks, I applied your patch. John From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 3 07:17:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9242C3B0647 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31228-07 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2759D3B0634 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 07:17:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id C28B1C6C54 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQj5sv-g3Wl8 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 4DB7DC6C53 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:51 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:17:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.422 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.882, BAYES_20=-0.74, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -1.422 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 11:17:58 -0000 Does anybody know why Emacs frames (created by switch-to-buffer-other-frame or similar command) don't get focused in Sawfish (using Sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 Debian package)? For example, the following transcript shows the problem (having only one Emacs frame, let's call it #1): C-x 5 b foo The new Emacs frame (#2) is raised and focused now C-x 5 o The frame #1 is raised but _not_ focused The another spot where focus goes lost is when I install some package using APTITUDE (the Debian package utility). Frequently after that the Xterm window with APTITUDE in it loose the focus. I had a wild guess that it is because of me using fbpanel (4.1-2), but that's all, wasn't able to do any practical with it. Using Emacs 21.4.1 I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 3 17:33:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 894733B059D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30897-10 for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 876163B042D for ; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 17:33:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so867698uge for ; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lhQ0zavIkLUt2ubMotGBLpxHmjBZ3GU4WWzX7tJHI8g9dYPd0gCjV2XmqEtpHoGcGKEdxLxM/ClKgtct+0ODfRM+I3HmjXNIiLhYuknS5yqysgPGoAMGDtMZiGl5hnh3FwGeX+RgaUUyxdu0V/nU5/TL07sJAuYvksweedp4EwQ= Received: by 10.67.105.19 with SMTP id h19mr1995932ugm; Sat, 03 Jun 2006 14:33:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Jun 2006 14:33:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 03 Jun 2006 21:33:20 -0000 On 6/3/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: [...] > > I'd appreciate if you through some line on this. > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 4 02:09:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 220723B01B3 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18891-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B58A23B0156 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 02:09:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3997C424A for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FI9fW0n1PPLi for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 379F8C4254 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:16 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-Id: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.048, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.351 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 06:09:25 -0000 On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Sun Jun 4 05:13:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC5BD3B009C for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07385-05 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD3A43B0097 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 05:13:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([62.248.247.87]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060604091325.VRYR5174.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 217E68072; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 12:13:25 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 12:13:24 +0300 In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sun, 4 Jun 2006 09:09:15 +0300") Message-ID: <87mzctwaff.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 09:13:31 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: >> I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs >> versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For >> the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. Also seems to work with XEmacs in click-to-focus mode. I am running Debian as well, Sawfish and XEmacs from unstable. > What possible merits of using enter-only focus compared to click > focus do you see? It is quick, particularly when you are typing: you just shove the mouse, you don't need to grab it well enough to push a button. It is also naturally independent of other functions: you don't need to think whether the click will pass through to the application or not. The flip side is that other methods of changing focus, such as window cycling or a popup automatically getting focused, cause focus to end up in a different window than the pointer, which is an anomaly. It can be avoided by warping the pointer, but that is also confusing. -- Timo Korvola From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sun Jun 4 07:39:17 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E4C83B0187 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13712-08 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6D403B00BD for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:39:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so963370uge for ; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=i1iwWvYeTrEepmWv4ckd4M2QZbVSjrw3qIfrymnV2J14M8s0b1ho1PC+q3kEqcKgezI2kPDRovhdwLuDzgEI25pJTe8yG6og+yXSR6PDfprLVN6l8sRevF7VPB6KGYS7oHdkwzYp2TleIzCg+5KDoyrG2qDhdjyB797+zZxjAs8= Received: by 10.67.89.6 with SMTP id r6mr2392119ugl; Sun, 04 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.66.238.2 with HTTP; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:39:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606040439g15a7e297u8add36952e39646c@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 13:39:12 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:39:17 -0000 On 6/4/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:33:15 +0200 > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > > > I'm not giving a lot of help, but with different Sawfish and Emacs > > versions(Sid) i get the frames focused when i switch between them. For > > the records, i'm using enter-only as focus method. > > Yes, thanks, enter-only focus mode works for me also (Sarge). However > I grew accustomed to click focus and enter-only seems unhandy (at > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? > I think the only advantage is when you use the X11 copy&paste, i.e. the left/right mouse button to select text and the central button to paste, i usually canceled or modified the selection trying to give focus to a window with the click to focus method. Andrea From famrom@infernal-iceberg.com Sun Jun 4 11:45:19 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FCC13B0170 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 26687-04 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fake.com (16.Red-80-32-164.staticIP.rima-tde.net [80.32.164.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3543B009F for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 11:45:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from unnamed@localhost) by fake.com (8.11.6/8.11.6) id k54FjEY02727 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 17:45:14 +0200 From: GSR - FR To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20060604174514.A2575@blitzkrieg.battleship> Mail-Followup-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <20060603141750.3de491c1.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606031433j7dcfcdf2m493db129bc724fbb@mail.gmail.com> <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060604090915.4144b440.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua>; from gsmith@eurocom.od.ua on Sun, Jun 04, 2006 at 09:09:15AM +0300 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.868, BAYES_20=-0.74, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.473 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Emacs frame don't get focused X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 15:45:19 -0000 Hi, gsmith@eurocom.od.ua (2006-06-04 at 0909.15 +0300): > least while it is still new to me). What possible merits of using > enter-only focus compared to click focus do you see? Pro: you only have to move the mouse (less effort). Con: you better not hit the mouse randomly (more control required). It is a matter of preference, some people prefer one instead of the other. In other systems you only get click normally, or have to do something "hidden" to enable other modes so people think that is the only way, X11 has been always a bit more experimental/free (choose wm... so why not choose focus style?). I use unclutter so the pointer hides after some time without moving, btw. GSR From rafi@ugcs.caltech.edu Sun Jun 4 07:36:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9C053B01C0 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:36:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13509-03 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (heave.ugcs.caltech.edu [131.215.176.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D8453B01D8 for ; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 07:35:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix, from userid 3016) id 341928F489; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by heave.ugcs.caltech.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP for id 1C3E4EAC9A; Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 4 Jun 2006 04:35:58 -0700 (PDT) From: Rafi Rubin To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TV=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Mailman-Approved-At: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 13:39:06 -0400 Subject: xtightvncviewer focus trouble X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 04 Jun 2006 11:36:01 -0000 I'm using tightvnc version 1.2.9 on a debian sid system with sawfish version 1.3, and Xorg 7.0.0 Focus is set to enter-only and raise on focus is enabled. The xtightvncviewer window seems to be confusing the focus system. If the window is focus with the mouse, without crossing the border decorations, that is if the mouse is moved from a window that's covering the vnc window, or the frame is set to "no-border", the window does not raise, and the decorations stay in the unfocused state. But the mouse and keystroke seem to get passed to the target window anyway. If the window is selected via keyboard, window cycling, or selected in the window list, the window does raise, but doesn't catch keystrokes. I should add, that if I switch to fullscreen mode with a vnc session that's smaller than my screen, and the mouse falls over the edge, it hopeless loses focus and drops off the window list, and won't take keyboard input even with the mouse over the window. I've seen none of these behaviors with any other windows. Rafi From eli@ccs.neu.edu Wed Jun 7 23:13:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D0583B029F for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02368-05 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF2873B012E for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0004Z7-Iu for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:35 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoAxh-0005vN-Dx for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:13:40 -0000 Just in case someone is maintaining Sawfish: Our project's applications were not playing nicely with Sawfish. After a long debugging session, I got to this line in events.c: if (actual == xa_compound_text || actual == XA_STRING) which didn't allow a new title event received from out application. It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 03:06:27 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E8F813B04C5 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13878-05 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep02-app.kolumbus.fi (fep02-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 26D3A3B0534 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:06:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.243.248]) by fep02-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608070619.WUQ15754.fep02-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 6154F8072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 10:06:19 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 10:06:18 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Wed, 7 Jun 2006 23:13:33 -0400") Message-ID: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:06:27 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in Sawfish. There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves the two types that appear in the if statement. UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in Sawfish. -- Timo Korvola From eli@ccs.neu.edu Thu Jun 8 03:12:07 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882AE3B05A8 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13937-06 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from amber.ccs.neu.edu (amber.ccs.neu.edu [129.10.116.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF8A83B05A6 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu ([129.10.116.241]) by amber.ccs.neu.edu with esmtps (TLSv1:DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0002th-N1; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 Received: from eli by lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FoEgW-0004Aj-KM; Thu, 08 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 From: Eli Barzilay MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> Date: Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400 To: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi In-Reply-To: <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 21.2.1 Sender: Eli Barzilay X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.427 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.172, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.427 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 07:12:07 -0000 On Jun 8, Timo.Korvola@iki.fi wrote: > Eli Barzilay writes: > > It turns out that the atom that is received when this happens is > > "UTF8_STRING", which is omitted from the above condition. > > It appears that the bug is in your application rather than in > Sawfish. Possibly. The thing is that no other WM has this problem. (Except for the ones I tried, we have a good user base, and nobody ever complained about this except for me...) > There is no mention of UTF8_STRING in the ICCCM. The valid types > for text are COMPOUND_TEXT, STRING and C_STRING. The latter does > not specify an encoding and is thus inappropriate here. This leaves > the two types that appear in the if statement. > > UTF-8 support is defined in the EWMH spec instead. Applications can > use the properties _NET_WM_NAME and _NET_WM_ICON_NAME as UTF-8 > encoded replacements for WM_NAME and WM_ICON_NAME. The WM should > use the _NET properties in preference to the traditional ones. I am > not sure if Sawfish does that. If not, that would be a bug in > Sawfish. I know nothing about these protocols... Let me try to put some code -- our application sets the title using this code: if (!utf8_atom) { utf8_atom = XInternAtom(XtDisplay(X->frame), "UTF8_STRING", FALSE); } XtVaSetValues(X->frame, XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, NULL); Does it look like there's a problem here? -- ((lambda (x) (x x)) (lambda (x) (x x))) Eli Barzilay: http://www.barzilay.org/ Maze is Life! From tkorvola@elisanet.fi Thu Jun 8 12:04:59 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A43A43B0F60 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18653-09 for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:04:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fep30-app.kolumbus.fi (fep30-0.kolumbus.fi [193.229.0.32]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A8953B0FAE for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 12:03:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from freeside ([80.186.244.25]) by fep30-app.kolumbus.fi with ESMTP id <20060608160334.PMUV1041.fep30-app.kolumbus.fi@freeside> for ; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 Received: by freeside (Postfix, from userid 1000) id ADC668072; Thu, 8 Jun 2006 19:03:34 +0300 (EEST) To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <17543.38365.379699.613080@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> <87y7w8yvmd.fsf@elisanet.fi> <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> From: Timo.Korvola@iki.fi Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 19:03:33 +0300 In-Reply-To: <17543.52676.595343.266513@lithuanian.ccs.neu.edu> (Eli Barzilay's message of "Thu, 8 Jun 2006 03:12:04 -0400") Message-ID: <87verbbpnu.fsf@elisanet.fi> User-Agent: Gnus/5.1007 (Gnus v5.10.7) XEmacs/21.4.19 (linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.504 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, NO_REAL_NAME=0.961, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.504 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: Sawfish bug on title changes X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 08 Jun 2006 16:04:59 -0000 Eli Barzilay writes: > XtVaSetValues(X->frame, > XtNtitleEncoding, utf8_atom, > XtNiconNameEncoding, utf8_atom, > NULL); It must be nearly 20 years since I did anything with Xt, but this looks like it is going to set the type of WM_TITLE and WM_ICON_NAME to UTF8_STRING, which is an error. Xt is probably just too ancient to support EWMH in any way. Most popular toolkits these days are not built on Xt. If you need to use Xt, perhaps you can put in the EWMH properties by hand. -- Timo Korvola From jbabcock@atlantech.net Fri Jun 9 19:57:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E65E3B0085 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29563-01 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9563B00A0 for ; Fri, 9 Jun 2006 19:57:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4123471 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:45 -0400 Message-ID: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 19:57:44 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.015 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: 0.015 X-Spam-Level: Subject: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 09 Jun 2006 23:57:47 -0000 How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a matched window setting that I first need to ignore. Josh From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 02:19:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 059303B03CD for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13062-01 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E943B02FC for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 02:19:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5A6JDC8082270; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 01:19:15 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 16:18:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 06:19:08 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I wan= t > to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a= > matched window setting that I first need to ignore. > > Josh I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before= = and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more = difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the = = window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the= = window on its behalf. Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets = created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hope that helps... -- Eric Mangold From jbabcock@atlantech.net Sat Jun 10 09:22:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B79E3B0485 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04195-02 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from atlantech.net (mail.atlantech.net [209.190.212.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 447883B0285 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [68.33.120.219] (HELO [192.168.1.100]) by atlantech.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.8) with ESMTP-TLS id 4169024 for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:03 -0400 Message-ID: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:22:02 -0400 From: Josh Babcock User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.281 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.118, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.281 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 13:22:05 -0000 Eric Mangold wrote: > On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock > wrote: > >> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I want >> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have a >> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >> >> Josh > > I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates before > and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more > difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open the > window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open the > window on its behalf. That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > > Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets > created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let that one go. Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then modifies the most recent window. Better yet would be to start a process and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on the id. I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should work. Josh From news@l7010.de Sat Jun 10 15:58:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BECE3B010D for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24012-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:31 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (smtprelay06.ispgateway.de [80.67.18.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624863B0232 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 15:58:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 32360 invoked from network); 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.102]) (276564@[195.158.179.146]) (envelope-sender ) by smtprelay06.ispgateway.de (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 10 Jun 2006 19:58:27 -0000 Message-ID: <448B246B.6080905@l7010.de> Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 21:58:35 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Christian_Schr=F6der?= User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.8.0.2) Gecko/20060522 Thunderbird/1.5.0.2 Mnenhy/0.7.4.666 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:58:41 -0000 Josh Babcock schrieb: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let > that one go. > why not just open a special html page with a set title? like: Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywilljust a filler to have a nicer day sawfish matches with regexps so you can match on ^.*Sawfishtitletoberecognizedattmywill.*$ now just a make sawfish keybinding for firefox top open this page in a new window. it would be: firefox -browser ~/.sawfishspecialrecognitionpage.html just my 2 cents regards Christian From teratorn@world-net.net Sat Jun 10 20:30:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0B8E3B025B for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 01222-09 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779D83B01C1 for ; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 20:30:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B0Tr6o016796; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 19:29:55 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:29:24 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 00:30:21 -0000 On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I w= ant >>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already have= a >>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>> >>> Josh >> >> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates bef= ore >> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even more >> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open t= he >> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to open = the >> window on its behalf. > > That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. > >> >> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it gets >> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. > > > Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window with = a > particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll let= > that one go. > > Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would be= > possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then > modifies the most recent window. I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch Fire= fox you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created. > Better yet would be to start a process > and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based on > the id. > > I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, unique > h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it should = = > work. > > Josh Good luck! -- Eric Mangold From teratorn@world-net.net Sun Jun 11 01:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1189E3B0086 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10856-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 636DB3B009D for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 01:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (ppp201-9.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net [59.167.201.9]) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5B4mFPD092234; Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:48:17 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:47:46 +1000 To: "Josh Babcock" , sawfish-list@gnome.org From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <448A0AF8.5000908@atlantech.net> <448AC77A.4080809@atlantech.net> <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: Quoted-Printable Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <448B6A0A.6090806@atlantech.net> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1524/Fri Jun 9 16:28:03 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: Re: creating windows from rep X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0000 On Sun, 11 Jun 2006 10:55:38 +1000, Josh Babcock = wrote: > Eric Mangold wrote: >> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 23:22:02 +1000, Josh Babcock >> wrote: >> >>> Eric Mangold wrote: >>>> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 09:57:44 +1000, Josh Babcock >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> How would I go about creating a window in a particular viewport? I= = >>>>> want >>>>> to launch a Firefox window in a particular place, but I already ha= ve = >>>>> a >>>>> matched window setting that I first need to ignore. >>>>> >>>>> Josh >>>> >>>> I've thought about how to tie a process to the windows it creates = >>>> before >>>> and haven't come up with anything useful. The situation is even mor= e >>>> difficult in Firefox's case, because the process you launch to open= = >>>> the >>>> window may in fact signal an already running Firefox process to ope= n = >>>> the >>>> window on its behalf. >>> >>> That can be prevented with the -no-remote option. >>> >>>> >>>> Basically I think you're stuck with matching the window when it get= s >>>> created, and switching it to the correct viewport then. >>> >>> >>> Hmmm. It would be nice if Firefox could be told to open a window wit= h a >>> particular title. Since I don't feel like rebuilding Firefox, I'll l= et >>> that one go. >>> >>> Can X and Sawfish tell how old windows are? If so, perhaps it would = be >>> possibly to write a script that causes a window to appear, and then >>> modifies the most recent window. >> >> I don't think you can tell how old windows are, but when you launch = >> Firefox >> you can just set some state and match the *next* window to be created= . >> >>> Better yet would be to start a process >>> and get the window id back. then you could modify the window based o= n >>> the id. >>> >>> I think what I will do is tell Firefox to start with some odd, uniqu= e >>> h/w dimensions and then match on those. Extremely ugly, but it shoul= d >>> work. >>> >>> Josh >> >> Good luck! >> -- >> Eric Mangold >> >> >> >> > > I'm not sure I understand what you are saying, or how to do it (The on= ly > thin I know about lisp is that you debug it by adding '}' characters t= o > the end of the file) > > Josh I mean you'll have a flag (variable) that you set when you want to match= = the next window. Then you'll hook window creation and check to see if th= at = flag is set. If it is, then you handle that window and unset the flag. e.g. At the top-level in your ~/.sawfish/rc file: (define match-next-window nil) (defun handle-new-window (win) (if match-next-window (progn (define match-next-window nil) (ALL YOUR STUFF HERE) ) ) ) (add-hook 'after-add-window-hook handle-new-window) Then you'll just need to do a (define match-next-window t) when you want= = the next window handled. Cheers, -Eric From fccaner@gmail.com Mon Jun 12 06:01:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE4EA3B00A7 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29520-01 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56B633B00D4 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 06:01:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id m2so2224321ugc for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:disposition-notification-to:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=dxt3I9LvFDKEnVzRqadBs58CV07AvLxg94PcJrqopSUAcFNwQF0hX/CAv7ahnmNYr5LFKqU6DbsrueaQs4zKbdz+ps8doy9ZTXokGRf3RdUTvQccGV6i2H0u1SeEKbq1Whpli2OjF1h6pWbzM4k5PqfGxAheQ89vLKeyMNCUsEE= Received: by 10.66.216.20 with SMTP id o20mr4997208ugg; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?147.83.51.210? ( [147.83.51.2]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id m1sm6597125uge.2006.06.12.03.00.34; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 03:00:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <448D3B3C.2050402@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 12:00:28 +0200 From: "F.Caner" User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.042 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.042 X-Spam-Level: Subject: windowing theme X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:01:08 -0000 Does anyone remember the windowing theme, similar to BeOS (i.e. usually shorter than the top length of the window depending on the length of the title displayed), but automatically adjusting the position of the window title bar along the top length of the window so as to make it visible, if it is possible at all, when in its current position the title bar becomes invisible due to another window blocking it? I vaguely remember the existence of some such theme, but I might have seen it in another window manager as well. If there is really such a theme, and if it is available for sawfish, I would like to use it. Or was it a sawfish functionality to be put into .sawfishrc to make, say BeOS theme, to function as such? I don't really remember well. Thanks in advance, FCC. From rishikhatri@sbcglobal.net Wed Jun 14 17:39:03 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 247A53B041A for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02250-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com (web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.86.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 80E923B0352 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:39:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 20292 invoked by uid 60001); 14 Jun 2006 21:28:45 -0000 Message-ID: <20060614212845.20290.qmail@web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Received: from [70.225.162.30] by web82204.mail.mud.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 PDT Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 14:28:45 -0700 (PDT) From: Rishi Khatri Subject: Sawfish on SUSE 10 x86_64 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759" X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, HTML_40_50=0.496, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Flag: YES X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list Reply-To: Rishi Khatri List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:39:03 -0000 --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available. Cheers, Rishi. --0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Has anyone compiled sawfish on SUSE 10 ? Just wanted to know before starting if the code from cvs will compile cleanly or some acrobatics needs to be done. Also is anyone aware of any rpms available.
Cheers,
Rishi.
--0-1195246020-1150320525=:19759-- From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Wed Jun 14 17:40:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91DD43B00F3 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30983-08 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5BB3B009F for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 17:40:38 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fqd5m-0001n9-6L for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from 204.86.58.5 ([204.86.58.5]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by 204.86.58.5 with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:40:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 Lines: 44 Message-ID: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: 204.86.58.5 User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.116 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, RCVD_NUMERIC_HELO=1.5, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_XF=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 1.116 X-Spam-Level: * X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 21:40:40 -0000 I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the latest CVS version today with: cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome login cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@anoncvs.gnome.org:/cvs/gnome co sawfish When I run autoconf, it returns: configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl If this token and others are legitimate, please use m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 when I run configure, it aborts with: checking X11/extensions/Xrandr.h presence... yes configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: present but cannot be compiled configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: check for missing prerequisite headers? configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: see the Autoconf documentation configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: section "Present But Cannot Be Compiled" configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result configure: WARNING: X11/extensions/Xrandr.h: in the future, the compiler will take precedence configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## configure: WARNING: ## Report this to the AC_PACKAGE_NAME lists. ## configure: WARNING: ## ------------------------------------------ ## checking for X11/extensions/Xrandr.h... yes ./configure: line 5458: syntax error near unexpected token `XFT,' ./configure: line 5458: `PKG_CHECK_MODULES(XFT, xft >= 1.0,' I have the libXft and libXft-devel packages installed. I have compiled the CVS version before, but that was over a year ago for Fedora Core 4. Is there something else I need to do for compiling from CVS? Any hints on other packages I might need? Thanks From michal@harddata.com Wed Jun 14 18:27:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F76A3B0102 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10417-06 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (mail.harddata.com [216.123.194.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 301E83B00FA for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 18:27:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.harddata.com (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5EMPjLO017075 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:46 -0600 Received: (from michal@localhost) by mail.harddata.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id k5EMPj2S017071; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600 From: Michal Jaegermann To: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.1i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 22:27:29 -0000 On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: > > I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > latest CVS version today with: Sawfish CVS version compiles (and works nicely) on FC5 and the current "rawhide". For a reference here is a '%build' section from my current "private" source rpm: %build ( cd etc rm -f config.guess config.sub [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.guess ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.guess . || exit 1 [ -r /usr/share/libtool/config.sub ] && ln -s /usr/share/libtool/config.sub . || exit 1 ) ./autogen.sh \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 perl -pi -e 's/1.3.12/2.0.0/g' configure %configure \ --disable-themer \ --without-gdk-pixbuf \ --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 make host_type=%{_target_platform} This clearly presumes that you have 'libtool' package installed but you are not likely to get very far without it. I guess that 'automake' also will be needed. If this helps for the current SuSE distros I do not know. Quite likely. This or something similar. Michal From leonerd@leonerd.org.uk Wed Jun 14 19:25:58 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8CA73B0155 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06542-05 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from cel.leo (unknown [62.49.94.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F03573B00C7 for ; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 19:25:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from nim.leo (nim.leo [192.168.42.3]) by cel.leo (Postfix) with ESMTP id D698B22C0F for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:25:24 +0100 From: Paul LeoNerd Evans To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Message-ID: <20060615002524.48d5b37a@nim.leo> In-Reply-To: References: X-Mailer: Sylpheed-Claws 2.2.0 (GTK+ 2.8.17; i486-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.53 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_NEUTRAL=1.069] X-Spam-Score: -1.53 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 23:25:58 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:34:54 -0500 enigma wrote: > When I run autoconf, it returns: > > configure.in:1: error: possibly undefined macro: dnl > If this token and others are legitimate, please use > m4_pattern_allow. See the Autoconf documentation. > configure.in:37: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_SUBST > configure.in:79: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_LIB > configure.in:87: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_CHECK_HEADERS > configure.in:133: error: possibly undefined macro: AC_DEFINE > configure.in:147: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_REP > configure.in:228: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_GTK_2_0 Perhaps a mismatching version of autoconf? It gets quite fussy - 1.4, 1.5, and so on. Make sure you have the right version installed for that the configure.in file wants. -- Paul "LeoNerd" Evans leonerd@leonerd.org.uk ICQ# 4135350 | Registered Linux# 179460 http://www.leonerd.org.uk/ From pierre.pelletier@cegepat.qc.ca Thu Jun 15 00:28:25 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3E243B013D for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11071-04 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 571F43B00F3 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from courrier.cegepat.qc.ca [206.167.164.11] by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (SMTPD-8.22) id A1D306A8; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:03 -0400 Received: From courrier ([206.167.164.11]) by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (WebShield SMTP v4.5 MR1a P0803.345); id 1150345682336; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Received: from 206.167.165.79 by courrier.cegepat.qc.ca (LogSat Software SMTP Server) Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:02 -0400 Message-ID: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:28:47 -0400 From: Pierre Pelletier User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Server: LogSat Software SMTP Server X-SF-RX-Return-Path: X-SF-HELO-Domain: [206.167.165.79] X-SF-WhiteListedReason: Whitelisted Peer IP X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, UNPARSEABLE_RELAY=0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 04:28:25 -0000 Hello, I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! Pierre Pelletier Linux forever ! -- "Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressÃs !" From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 03:40:49 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 227303B00CA for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20025-02 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B598F3B002B for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 03:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so196662pyd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.99.17 with SMTP id b17mr2522866pym; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 00:40:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606150040u5ab04af9m96c287f5cb1b7fb7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 09:40:14 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: did not see an automatic way to be removed, sorry ! In-Reply-To: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4490E1FF.9030604@cegepat.qc.ca> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 07:40:49 -0000 On 6/15/06, Pierre Pelletier wrote: > Hello, > > I would like to be removed from your list. Thank you very much ! > Try here: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/sawfish-list Andrea From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Thu Jun 15 18:11:18 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F8E63B01FF for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02768-07 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2FB53B01CB for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 18:11:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from list by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1Fr031-00058X-KG for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net ([66.41.205.205]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 Received: from e_nigma_101 by c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:10:43 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: enigma Subject: Re: compiling on Fedora Core 5 Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:10:41 -0500 Lines: 15 Message-ID: References: <20060614222545.GB16693@mail.harddata.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: c-66-41-205-205.hsd1.mn.comcast.net User-Agent: Pan/0.14.2.91 (As She Crawled Across the Table) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD=1.849, FROM_HAS_ULINE_NUMS=0.291, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -0.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 22:11:18 -0000 On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 16:25:45 -0600, Michal Jaegermann wrote: > On Wed, Jun 14, 2006 at 04:34:54PM -0500, enigma wrote: >> >> I am have a problem compiling sawfish for fedora core 5. I pulled the > > ./autogen.sh \ > --disable-themer \ > --without-gdk-pixbuf \ > --x-libraries=%{_libdir} \ > --x-includes=/usr/include/X11 My problem was I was just trying to do autoconf instead of ./autogen.sh. I am back up on my favorite window manager now and glad I don't have to go back to Fedora Core 4 to get it. Thanks so much for your help. From ingvast@md.kth.se Fri Jun 16 09:46:30 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 169183B0011 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 30137-09 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (ares.md.kth.se [130.237.57.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B47453B000B for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 09:46:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA871A7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se ([130.237.57.10]) by localhost (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) (amavisd-new, port 10027) with ESMTP id 31893-10 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from ares.md.kth.se (radien.md.kth.se [130.237.57.166]) by localhost.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A7D8A7586 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.1] (84-217-122-127.tn.glocalnet.net [84.217.122.127]) by ares.md.kth.se (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEB1FA7584 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 15:44:50 +0200 From: Johan Ingvast User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5 (X11/20051201) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Displaying windows that should be hidden Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:46:30 -0000 Hi I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does not work in my version of sawfish. The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty (above the main window). I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. Any clues? Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? My sawfish version 1.3 /johan From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 17 03:34:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2EB703B06EE for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12115-06 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E58C63B033A for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:34:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so788305pyd for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:32:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.11.15 with SMTP id o15mr5530114pyi; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 00:26:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606170026s4dfaa57cif7ce81b5ed77dfb3@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 09:26:06 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Displaying windows that should be hidden In-Reply-To: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <4492B5D2.8040408@md.kth.se> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:34:09 -0000 On 6/16/06, Johan Ingvast wrote: > Hi > I recently installed the trial version of varicad and found that it does > not work in my version of sawfish. > The symptons are that windows that should be hidden are displayed empty > (above the main window). > I don't have this problem if I run Xfce4 instead. > > Any clues? > Is this a sawfish matter or something that I should contact varicad about? > There are some bug reports of problems with some applications, for example monodevelop, where Sawfish display unmanaged windows until it is restarted. I don't know if these applications trigger a Sawfish corner case or are simply broken, i know basically nothing about the X protocol and near zero of Sawfish internals. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 01:59:48 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52E553B0D4C for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27154-04 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9073D3B0D13 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:59:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F6AEC6217 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:57:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lIEJiLa+kEAX for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0EC61B7 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:57 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 08:56:56 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.371 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 05:59:48 -0000 Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe it's my error in some settings ?). In ~/.sawfishrc I have (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other application. I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 02:54:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B0AA3B0D94 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29008-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162CD3B0D73 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 02:54:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5J6sNrO059326; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 01:54:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1549/Sat Jun 17 17:20:39 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 06:54:57 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 15:56:56 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > Found a strange misbehaviour when focus set to "enter-only" (or maybe > it's my error in some settings ?). > > In ~/.sawfishrc I have > > (bind-keys global-keymap "Button3-Click" '(popup-menu my-menu)) > > When I right-click outside any open window I get my-menu > > When my focus is set to "Click" and I right-click on something > sensible in the focused window I get an application's specific context > menu. For example, if I right click on the Trash folder in the Folder > pane of the Sylpheed window I get Sylpheed context menu containing > "Create new folder" etc. It's normal I believe. > > However, if I set focus to "enter-only" then moving mouse pointer > within bounds of the Sylpheed window and right clicking on the same > Trash folder gives me my-menu (not Sylpheed menu) as if I were cliking > outside any window. Visually Sylpheed window look as if it were > focused (window's title bar color etc.). The same is with any other > application. > > I can't make neither head nor tail of this. Could you please help ? I don't really think global-keymap is what you want to use. In fact, I don't understand why you get application-specific menus at all. It's my understanding that your global-keymap binding should come first before the application gets a chance to handle the event. (anyone?) Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/v0.11/sawfish/Keymaps.html#Keymaps I'm not 100% sure, but maybe the better question is why doesn't the global-keymap binding always have priority? -- Eric Mangold From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Mon Jun 19 10:05:09 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDFAB3B0193 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 14461-09 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0441B3B0014 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 10:05:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04C7DCE7CC for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:30 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 24UwNNPbE-Bi for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 81B60CE7E2 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 (EEST) Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 17:04:24 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem Message-Id: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.384 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.384 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 19 Jun 2006 14:05:10 -0000 On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 "Eric Mangold" wrote: > Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From teratorn@world-net.net Mon Jun 19 20:04:54 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7C403B0EB3 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08683-05 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from blackbird.world-net.net (blackbird.world-net.net [204.57.72.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 569E33B0E69 for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 20:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (adsl-202-61-135-162.dft.net.au [202.61.135.162] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) by blackbird.world-net.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5K048nF058368; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 19:04:11 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from teratorn@world-net.net) Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 10:03:04 +1000 To: "Vladimir Zolotykh" , sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem From: "Eric Mangold" Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; delsp=yes; charset=us-ascii MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Opera Mail/9.00 (Linux) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.88/1550/Mon Jun 19 12:01:35 2006 on blackbird.world-net.net X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.46 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.004, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.46 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:54 -0000 On Tue, 20 Jun 2006 00:04:24 +1000, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Mon, 19 Jun 2006 16:53:35 +1000 > "Eric Mangold" wrote: > >> Perhaps root-window-keymap is what you want? Have a look here: > > I guess you're right. It is indeed what I need. Your 'better question' > I can't answer. I'm not that familiar with the Sawfish :( Only can say > that it indeed works for me if I set Click focus. I'd like to know > Sawfish better but has been unable to find any apt document. The only > one I have is 'This is Edition 0.6 of its documentation, last updated > 12 December 1999 for Sawfish version 0.19.' included in my Debian > Sarge sawfish package. Probably the same you quoted, I can't say it is > very suitable for learning Sawfish, it seems to me more like a > reference for the one already familiar with the subject. Do you know > something appropriate, kind of tutorial or like? The best place to start is the wiki: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/ As you will find there, the latest API docs are here: http://home.blarg.net/~sand/sawfish/ Librep is the programming language that sawfish is primarily written in (the other being C). Here's a quick blurb about Librep: http://sawfish.endorphin.org/SawfishWiki/Librep As you can see it's a Lisp dialect, so as long as you understand the relatively minor differences between other dialects you will be able to apply lisp knowledge you learn anywhere else. The Librep manual is here: http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. Anyone? Cheers, Eric From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Tue Jun 20 01:26:55 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 467E73B013C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:55 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 25545-07 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6A5B63B0D93 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 01:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so1458800pyd for ; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:25:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.14.1 with SMTP id r1mr9274705pyi; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 22:18:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606192218j18d304am6e83acb7f29bc7ca@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 07:18:13 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: enter-only focus problem In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060619085656.10fb0420.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060619170424.730fac1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 05:26:55 -0000 On 6/20/06, Eric Mangold wrote: > I don't really what the best generally applicable Lisp tutorials are. > Anyone? > There's a collection of Lisp's tutorials here: "http://www.cliki.net/Online%20Tutorial" I've read good things about the book "Practical Common Lisp", is present in the list above, anyway the link is "http://www.gigamonkeys.com/book/". Andrea From rodrigo@nul-unu.com Tue Jun 20 13:56:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 433D83B01C9 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02032-02 for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ns0.nul-unu.com (ns0.nul-unu.com [207.44.202.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3C123B000C for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 13:56:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from caribdis.nul-unu.com (dsl-201-129-56-199.prod-infinitum.com.mx [201.129.56.199]) (authenticated bits=0) by ns0.nul-unu.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id k5KHvblP030433 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:57:39 -0500 Received: from rodrigo by caribdis.nul-unu.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1FskSK-0005bU-RJ for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 12:56:04 -0500 To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: General system slowdown Message-ID: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6" Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11+cvs20060403 From: Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.535 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.929, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -1.535 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 17:56:37 -0000 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi. There's a weird bug report listed against sawfish in Debian's BTS. To summarize, the reporter's system becomes imposibly slow after 4-6 hours of use. Load average goes -> 2, even after killing almost everything and redraws take seconds to acomplish. Acording to the submitter there *might* be a relationship to recently upgrading to Xorg 7, and also to dual monitor use. The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben able to reproduce it. The complete report is at http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D368546 Has anyone seen anything like it? Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and haven't found anything like it. tnks. --=20 Rodrigo Gallardo GPG-Fingerprint: 7C81 E60C 442E 8FBC D975 2F49 0199 8318 ADC9 BC28 --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: Digital signature Content-Disposition: inline -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFEmDa0AZmDGK3JvCgRAkPtAJ9oooOjRaNUuBKfxM+Q28CkIfi35gCdGbI+ Nsh55dG0JPsc9Wu850otzXk= =2Sut -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --7mxbaLlpDEyR1+x6-- From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Wed Jun 21 04:19:33 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0C623B0508 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20794-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 236323B002A for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 04:19:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id z59so2103109pyg for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.34.18 with SMTP id m18mr10778214pyj; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.106.5 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 01:19:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606210119l1bf8b7caw40f5bbdba727d6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 10:19:31 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: General system slowdown In-Reply-To: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060620175604.GF4187@mail.interservice.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.000, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 08:19:33 -0000 On 6/20/06, Luis Rodrigo Gallardo Cruz wrote: > The bug is reported against sawfish because the reporter says the > problem went away after switching to metacity. So far no one has ben > able to reproduce it. The complete report is at > http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=368546 > > > Has anyone seen anything like it? > Do I report it against sawfish's BTS? I have searched there and > haven't found anything like it. > Using Sid and Sawfish in a couple of desktops and a notebook but never encountered something like that. Maybe is something related to Xinerama or the videocard driver, it's not clear from the bugreport if he's using a proprietary driver or not. For the records, i've never tried Xinerama and actually i'm only using the Xorg drivers. Andrea From levi@cygnetnet.net Wed Jun 21 13:09:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AC493B0473 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 23702-04 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:44 -0400 (EDT) Received: from outbound.mailhop.org (outbound.mailhop.org [63.208.196.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF25B3B00EE for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:43 -0400 (EDT) Received: from pool-68-163-102-45.bos.east.verizon.net ([68.163.102.45] helo=cygnetnet.net) by outbound.mailhop.org with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.51) id 1Ft6D0-0002Kl-Ek for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:42 -0400 Received: from tatiana.cygnetnet.net (unknown [192.168.1.2]) by cygnetnet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C29E689 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: by tatiana.cygnetnet.net (Postfix, from userid 501) id A790DBAC; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 (EDT) X-Mail-Handler: MailHop Outbound by DynDNS X-Originating-IP: 68.163.102.45 X-Report-Abuse-To: abuse@dyndns.com (see http://www.mailhop.org/outbound/abuse.html for abuse reporting information) X-MHO-User: karispost Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400 From: Levi Ramsey To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: sawfish-ui: Gtk error Message-ID: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.288 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_MD=0.077] X-Spam-Score: 0.288 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 17:09:46 -0000 Using rep 0.17 and sawfish 1.3... sawfish-ui dies immediately with: (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 -- Levi Ramsey levi@cygnetnet.net leviable@gmail.com Key Fingerprint: EB2F B957 5273 3776 7EA0 AB47 7BF0 809C AE51 D378 Linux 2.6.8.1-10mdk 13:05:00 up 10 days, 10:58, 10 users, load average: 0.16, 0.61, 0.53 From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Wed Jun 21 16:04:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 536523B0541 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 02393-10 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3C393B0536 for ; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 16:04:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 773D7612F63CF; Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 (CEST) To: Levi Ramsey Subject: Re: sawfish-ui: Gtk error X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 22:04:49 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060621170940.GA24349@tatiana.cygnetnet.net> (Levi Ramsey's message of "Wed, 21 Jun 2006 13:09:40 -0400") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_GT=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 21 Jun 2006 20:04:52 -0000 Levi Ramsey writes: > (rep:24293): Gtk-CRITICAL **: file ../../gtk/gtkradiomenuitem.c: line > 272 (gtk_radio_menu_item_new_with_label_from_widget): assertion > `GTK_IS_RADIO_MENU_ITEM (group)' failed > *** Bad argument: #, (), 2 Probably that's what I described here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/sawfish-list/2006-January/msg00010.html I think it is fixed in rep-gtk CVS. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 01:52:01 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D7333B021B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:01 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31515-05 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:52:00 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 010323B04C8 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 01:51:59 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B337C5024 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:58 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g27hZVo+32Bi for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from dobby.eurocom.od.ua (dsl-142-106.EuroCom.Od.UA [212.15.142.106]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E50C5013 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:54 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 08:51:53 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.355 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.033, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.355 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 05:52:01 -0000 Was reading 'Building a Better Window Manager' at http://twistedmatrix.com/~teratorn/better_wm/better_wm.html. Stumbled onto a difficulty. (require 'lookup) only beeps (this is kind of telling me something is wrong I guess, I'd say it's a bit more terse than I'd prefer it'd be). I got lookup.jl and companions at address suggested in the article in question. user> load-path ("/home/vlz/.sawfish/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/1.3/lisp" "/usr/share/sawfish/site-lisp" "/usr/share/rep/0.17/lisp" "/usr/share/rep/site-lisp" "." "/var/lib/sawfish") $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl string2.jl url.jl All works for another module (not related to lookup.jl) user> (require 'iswitch-window) iswitch-window I'm using Debian, Sarge dpkg -l librep-dev $ dpkg -l librep-dev ... ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep Is there a way to learn why (require 'lookup) beeps with more detail?. Some error message maybe? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Thu Jun 22 09:59:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A108C3B066F for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 32611-07 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E2473B064B for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 09:59:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5AF1CA205 for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:23 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hx-J4nWoJyDA for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A3300CA31E for ; Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 (EEST) Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 16:59:19 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: Figure out why it beeps Message-Id: <20060622165919.20e9ad56.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> References: <20060622085153.105c75c8.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.36 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.36 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 22 Jun 2006 13:59:28 -0000 This one I solved. I just forgot to download remote-application.jl, url.jl depends on it. I still however don't know how to debug *.jl files. After solving the fist problem appeared the next. "Remote-application failed to start an instance!" This error I get while issuing a command with something sensible x-selected. (lookup "google" t t) The new mozilla-firefox window appears in spite the fact that one is present already, but this new Mozilla's window is empty. If you didn't read my first message on the same subject, I'll repeat. I'm trying to get LOOKUP.JL get working ( http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html ). I'm using Debian, Sarge $ dpkg -l | egrep 'librep-dev|mozilla|sawfish' ii librep-dev 0.17-7 development libraries and headers for librep ii mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7 lightweight web browser based on Mozilla ii sawfish 1.3+cvs20050222-1 a window manager for X11 $ $ ls ~/.sawfish/lisp debian-menu.jl iswitch-window.jl javadoc-indexer.py javadoc.jl lookup.jl remote-application.jl string2.jl url.jl $ Would appreciate any clue how to get it working. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 05:27:08 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1C133B0198 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 03662-05 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F06C3B0132 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 05:27:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDCFC78B8 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:05 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZukzlA5IsSxu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:01 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 1396CC7880 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:27:00 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.401 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.002, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.401 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:27:09 -0000 I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp usage. If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should (require 'lookup) However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? Or to reload the module lookup? At least (require 'lookup) seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, however, when I try something like (lookup "google" t nil) and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a Your search - ÆÒÉÚÉÑ - did not match any documents. waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". When I call (prompt-for-string "Foo:") in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" user> What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From andrea.vettorello@gmail.com Sat Jun 24 07:31:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1BA03B0150 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10003-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4A9E3B006E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 07:31:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c39so971790pyd for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.82.15 with SMTP id j15mr3431200pyl; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.35.119.10 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 04:31:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 From: "Andrea Vettorello" To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.5 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.100, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.5 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 11:31:50 -0000 On 6/24/06, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. [...] > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? > I don't know Sawfish's inner workings very well, but to restart it you can use the "sawfish-client" command, something like "sawfish-client -f restart" instead of restarting the whole X session. Said that, probably there's a better way to do what you want, probably unloading and then reloading the module (i'm only guessing)... I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL (read-eval-print loop) environment, in this way you can exploit the dynamic properties of a Lisp dialect like REP. There's a Sawfish Emacs mode that has key bindings to evaluate expression with the running Sawfish instance. Andrea From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sat Jun 24 08:14:37 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46983B0490 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:36 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12514-02 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (unknown [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6C7B3B045E for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 08:14:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02397CBA6F for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:54 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vX97ucvEn-pu for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id A59D7CBA2D for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.368 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.368 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 12:14:37 -0000 On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:31:49 +0200 "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL > (read-eval-print loop) environment,... Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? -- Vladimir Zolotykh From mmc@maruska.dyndns.org Sat Jun 24 09:23:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DC263B02EB for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 16069-04 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from maruska.gotdns.org (83-103-88-29.ip.fastwebnet.it [83.103.88.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA5B43B08F7 for ; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 09:23:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from linux11.maruska.tin.it.maruska.dyndns.org (linux11.maruska.tin.it [192.168.2.11]) by maruska.gotdns.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7530C615B41BB; Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 (CEST) To: Vladimir Zolotykh Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-Archive: encrypt References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <7d5440240606240431r11ecbf75r39d0406be746fd03@mail.gmail.com> <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> From: mmc@maruska.dyndns.org (Michal =?utf-8?Q?Maru=C5=A1ka?=) Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:23:39 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20060624151350.339f7faf.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> (Vladimir Zolotykh's message of "Sat, 24 Jun 2006 15:13:50 +0300") Message-ID: User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.387 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, TW_DP=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.387 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 24 Jun 2006 13:23:42 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > "Andrea Vettorello" wrote: > >> I think you should investigate how to use the Sawfish REPL >> (read-eval-print loop) environment,... > > Did you mean REP command (e.g the one about which Debian's dpkg tools outputs > > ii rep 0.17-7 lisp command interpreter frontends to librep no, he meant "sawfish-client" command, which connects to the running sawfish process (to have commands executed). > ) and http://librep.sourceforge.net/librep-manual.html ? This one looks more recent: http://www.ugcs.caltech.edu/manuals/libs/librep-0.13.5/index.html see the "The REPL" chapter first, it explains how to dig some information (search for variables by name etc., get help strings). -- http://maruska.dyndns.org/wiki/ From gcws-sawfish-list@m.gmane.org Sun Jun 25 02:05:29 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B5573B0243 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:29 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19230-04 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ciao.gmane.org (main.gmane.org [80.91.229.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC7543B02E4 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 02:05:27 -0400 (EDT) Received: from root by ciao.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.43) id 1FuNjy-0006ZQ-Or for sawfish-list@gnome.org; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu ([128.227.55.146]) by main.gmane.org with esmtp (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 Received: from asr by n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu with local (Gmexim 0.1 (Debian)) id 1AlnuQ-0007hv-00 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:05:02 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: sawfish-list@gnome.org From: asr@ufl.edu (Allen S. Rout) Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Date: 24 Jun 2006 22:09:18 -0400 Organization: Dis- Lines: 42 Message-ID: <861wtej8a9.fsf@ufl.edu> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Complaints-To: usenet@sea.gmane.org X-Gmane-NNTP-Posting-Host: n128-227-55-146.xlate.ufl.edu User-Agent: Gnus/5.0808 (Gnus v5.8.8) XEmacs/21.4 (Security Through Obscurity) Sender: news X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.123 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=0.478, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.123 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 06:05:29 -0000 Vladimir Zolotykh writes: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? If my elisp memories are applicable, then note: (require 'feature) means: + look through the files in the library directories I know about + Locate a library say, feature.jl, or some file that does (provide 'feature)? does that work? + make sure that we've (load) 'ed that file. This means that if you (require) a file lots of times, it'll only get loaded once, which can save you a bunch of headaches. Many people don't design their libraries to be loaded repeatedly. If you want to re-load the file, then try ( load-module 'feature ) - Allen S. Rout From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 03:34:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C25833B034E for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21973-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6666A3B020A for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 03:34:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.WUAW27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625073318.XXMC16286.aamtaout03-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:18 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-0002iP-VO; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:15 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuP7E-00026A-S7; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.892 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -0.892 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 07:34:58 -0000 On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > I've got a couple of simple questions about Sawfish and its Lisp > usage. > > If I need a module, say lookup.jl I should > > (require 'lookup) > > However, if I realize that the functionality provided by LOOKUP needs > some correction I open lookup.jl in an editor and make any > modification required. Now how I could tell Sawfish about the changes? > Or to reload the module lookup? At least > > (require 'lookup) > > seems doesn't work. Restarting Sawfish entirely? e.g. quitting > X-session and starting it again? (The REQUIRE command is in my > ~/.sawfishrc file). Is there a more convenient solution? Hi Vladimir, It's nice to know that someone's using lookup.jl ;-) The command you want is ,reload lookup inside sawfish-client > > Does any documentation about PROMPT-FOR-STRING from > sawfish.wm.util.prompt exist anywhere? What code page does > PROMPT-FOR-STRING use for it's result? lookup.jl > (http://www.ewanmellor.org.uk/sawfish.html) uses PROMPT-FOR-STRING, > however, when I try something like > > (lookup "google" t nil) > > and type Russian (koi8-r) word to the appearing prompt I got a > > Your search - ??????? ???? - did not match any documents. > > waring in the web-browser Google's page. Of course if I type the same > search word in the web-browser (I'm using Mozilla-firefox), I get > plenty of results, and the search word doesn't at all look like that > funny character in the Google's excuse about "not match". > > When I call > > (prompt-for-string "Foo:") > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > user> > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the transcoding sorted out. Ewan. From gsmith@eurocom.od.ua Sun Jun 25 08:12:10 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 811BE3B00DC for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 12964-08 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990FB3B008F for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:12:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F31DC565F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:41 +0300 (EEST) Received: from mail.eurocom.od.ua ([212.15.128.6]) by localhost (mail.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.6]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8l4NypPqyW96; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:37 +0300 (EEST) Received: from Carina.eurocom.od.ua (goldsmith.eurocom.od.ua [212.15.128.21]) by mail.eurocom.od.ua (Postfix) with SMTP id 2C42FC563F; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 (EEST) Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 14:41:36 +0300 From: Vladimir Zolotykh To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r Message-Id: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> In-Reply-To: <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> Organization: Eurocom X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.4 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-pc-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=KOI8-R Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at eurocom.od.ua X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.409 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.010, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.409 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:12:10 -0000 On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 Ewan Mellor wrote: > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > [snip] > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > user> > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > transcoding sorted out. It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. ÁÂ×ÇÄÅÖ Their KOI8-r octal codes are 301 302 327 307 304 305 326 Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are 430 431 432 433 434 435 436 I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to fix that myself. I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. I'm concerned with the popup window produced by PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Is it focused when present on the screen? Let me give a few more detail. My ~/.xxkbrc contains XXkb.app_list.wm_class_class.alt_group1: emacs Emacs which roughly means 'don't change group for the Emacs window'. And my ~/.sawfishrc has (defun event-for-emacs () (when (string-match "^Emacs" (window-class (input-focus))) (synthesize-event (current-event) (input-focus)))) (bind-keys global-keymap "F13" event-for-emacs) there is a couple of other detail which I'll omit for shortness sake. All this enables Emacs's command TOGGLE-INPUT-METHOD being invoked by Shift+CAPS (another setting in the XKB), while pressing the same key Shift+CAPS in say Xterm window just changes it's group. Returning back to the PROMPT-FOR-STRING, seems that the window it produces somehow inherits the related properties of the visible window above which it's positioned. To put it simple, if PROMPT-FOR-STRING window positioned above Emacs's window, I'm unable to enter Russian letters at all (Emacs always in Group1 according to ~/.xxkbrc settings), with PROMPT-FOR-STRING's window positioned above say Xterm window all is fine. One final observation, BackSpace (keycode 22) being used for PROMPT-FOR-STRING, correcting typed string interactively doesn't back space at all. user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") "\301\302\010" user> In this example, after the PROMPT-FOR-STRING window appeared, I changed Group to Russian and pressed three keys Cyrillic small letter A Cyrillic small letter BE BackSpace It's applicable also for other non-printable letters like Return and only while typing in Russian Group. -- Vladimir Zolotykh From Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Sun Jun 25 08:39:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: sawfish-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88FCB3B0085 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13836-05 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com (mta08-winn.ispmail.ntl.com [81.103.221.48]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F13733B0079 for ; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:39:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com ([81.103.221.35]) by mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.EWTX27023.mtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from cmor.intra ([81.98.248.238]) by aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com with ESMTP id <20060625123917.MFLK24467.aamtaout02-winn.ispmail.ntl.com@cmor.intra>; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:17 +0100 Received: from linford.intra ([192.168.64.11]) by cmor.intra with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtL-0002qZ-42; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:14 +0100 Received: from ewan by linford.intra with local (Exim 4.50) id 1FuTtK-0002XP-Sw; Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 13:39:06 +0100 From: Ewan Mellor To: Vladimir Zolotykh Message-ID: <20060625123906.GB7495@linford.intra> References: <20060624122700.677c5b1f.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> <20060625073308.GA7495@linford.intra> <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20060625144136.2a91f9f9.gsmith@eurocom.od.ua> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 192.168.64.11 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: Ewan.Mellor@ntlworld.com Subject: Re: lookup.jl google and koi8-r X-SA-Exim-Version: 4.2 (built Thu, 03 Mar 2005 10:44:12 +0100) X-SA-Exim-Scanned: Yes (on cmor.intra) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.532 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.640, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.532 X-Spam-Level: Cc: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: sawfish-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: General discussion about sawfish wm List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 25 Jun 2006 12:39:20 -0000 On Sun, Jun 25, 2006 at 02:41:36PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 08:33:08 +0100 > Ewan Mellor wrote: > > > On Sat, Jun 24, 2006 at 12:27:00PM +0300, Vladimir Zolotykh wrote: > > > [snip] > > > in sawfish-client and type the same koi8-r word as before I get > > > > > > user> (prompt-for-string "FOO:") > > > "\301\302\327\307\304\305\326" > > > user> > > > > > > What arrangements must be made to pass it properly to Google, causing > > > Google to interpret it as koi8-r word, not as don't-now-what ? > > > > Which koi8 word did you type here? I don't know, but I'd guess that if those > > aren't koi8 bytes then they are the UTF-8 equivalents instead. I'm sure that > > with a little help from someone who uses non-latin encodings we could get the > > transcoding sorted out. > It was first seven lower-case letters of the Russian alphabet, e.g. > > ??????? > > Their KOI8-r octal codes are > > 301 > 302 > 327 > 307 > 304 > 305 > 326 > > Their UTF-8 codes (hex) are > > 430 > 431 > 432 > 433 > 434 > 435 > 436 > > I'd say that Mozilla (the browser I'm using, version mozilla-firefox > 1.0.4-2sarge7) expects somehow UTF-8 letters but gets KOI8-r instead, > which he thinks are UTF-8 coded, hence the confusion. In my opinion, > either PROMPT-FOR-STRING should convert what it reads to UTF-8, or > explicit conversion from KOI8-r to UTF-8 should be done before passing > the string to Mozilla. However, I'm not that familiar with LIBREP to > fix that myself. Yes, what is happening is prompt-for-string is just passing the bytes that you give it, so it's returning the KOI8-r bytes. This is then going to url-escape-query in my url.jl module, which is turning it into %c1 etc for sending to Google as the query string for the URL. This is obviously then being misinterpreted. I presume that the URL spec somewhere says that the characters must be converted to UTF-8. I can't find a reference for that, but that's what my browser (Opera) seems to do. For that to be done properly in the url module, it would need to discover the character encoding being used for Sawfish (presumably the one set by your locale) and then convert to UTF-8 correctly. Someone some time ago posted some patches for making Sawfish work with Japanese (IIRC). Perhaps you could dig those out of the archives and see what the design for that work was. > I've got another question about using lookup.jl (and Sawfish or > Librep?). I'm using two keyboard layouts, or groups in XKB > terminology: US/ASCII and Russian. Locale as you already know is > ru_RU.KOI8-R. Groups (or keyboard layouts) are changed on per window > basis, e.g. each window has its own group, either US/ASCII or Russian. > I'm concerned with the popup window produced by > PROMPT-FOR-STRING. Does it have a name (or a class)? Well, I get this: ewan $ xwininfo xwininfo: Please select the window about which you would like information by clicking the mouse in that window. xwininfo: Window id: 0x802696 (has no name) so it looks like you are out of luck with a name, though I guess you might be able to give it one (modifying Sawfish appropriately, of course). The X input stuff is all voodoo to me I'm afraid, so I can't help there. Try digging in the archives again. Ewan.