From newren at gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:51 2006 From: newren at gmail.com (Elijah Newren) Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa at gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:09 2006 From: luis.villa at gmail.com (Luis Villa) Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team at gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub at perkypants.org Fri Jun 16 13:39:38 2006 From: jdub at perkypants.org (Jeff Waugh) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen at redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:03:01 2006 From: mclasen at redhat.com (Matthias Clasen) Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on Message-ID: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas at broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 05:54:21 2006 From: kmaraas at broadpark.no (Kjartan Maraas) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Message-ID: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd at madeley.id.au Sat Jun 17 06:25:51 2006 From: davyd at madeley.id.au (Davyd Madeley) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 Subject: Buildability of tarballs and cvs In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco at comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:11 2006 From: joseph_sacco at comcast.net (Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D.) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Subject: Buildability of tarballs and cvs In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Message-ID: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome at nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:34:29 2006 From: gnome at nextreality.net (Brent Smith) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 Subject: bug buddy branched In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit at placenet.org Sun Jun 18 15:16:51 2006 From: benoit at placenet.org (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean) Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched Message-ID: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. -- Beno?t Dejean JID: TazForEver at jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:47:41 -0000 Hi, It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Elijah From carlosg@gnome.org Tue Jun 6 13:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D33B023F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10550-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (133.Red-88-0-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.0.26.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A23B0AF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33DCB13F73; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:50:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure Probably due to my ignorance, I thought that being an external module it was more or less safe to add a dependency, my apologies. > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Blessing all Perl GNOME bindings just for using DBus seems overkill to me... > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Thanks a lot :)... I still have to see if it was worth the effort :P Regards > > Elijah From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E13B0B15 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AA3B0253 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so972667wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEHJ+fyy75YUY6Cd3/ON4Kd3rTCVIdRrxcmQtStIffWFD37SJ3D7RsOm2T16dJOf+hrXJp3ggYMW1nCMPYWpCG4a3X/hmV/pxhAR3xAvTW1OEI7vWRzY7+sZImgmDMlol7LuzGA23Sy6vqRBIGf6hRfSqKRbLTfcqYdSYbQbhiI= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr7845604wxa; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:56:07 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:56:12 -0000 Hi, > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go this route. :) From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ABE3B019B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFF3B02D7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so112553wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AhohDAwyiLjTRs41UJCr0fCXdTP2KE+f9G/2iMkecWPFGrdvRFLYGAy6eQNsNR5ZaCQiXm4w4LqeceKmbcbMfj8DiplPEfRw0sdcRfCcIHnkxA+0MDgi3I9bC/DH1dYNLzuc8B2uHPe6yraUr0HhkDUN1Kf2jTPULeDw43CGVH0= Received: by 10.70.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr42864wxd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:02:38 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Tor Lillqvist" In-Reply-To: <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_LQ=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Owen Taylor , Jeff Waugh , release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure responded but since they haven't... On 6/1/06, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > My idea now is to change to using Owen's plan, but still also keep the > current {platform,desktop}/2.x/2.x.y/win32 directories, but those > would now then just contain symlinks to the actual stuff under > binaries/win32//. Sounds sane to me. If you don't get objections to it soon, I'd go ahead and assume it's okay. > I don't know whether the mirrors will automatically pick up such a new > binaries folder, though? It automatically picked up the new admin folder when I created it for the admin suite, so I'm pretty sure it'd pick up a new binaries folder as well. > This has mostly worked out fine, yes. During the 2.12 and 2.13 phases > some Win32 binaries were released with slightly skewed versions as the > Win32 changes were not committed in synch with the releases, but in > 2.14.0 the versions are the same in sources and win32, as far as I can > recall. > > I didn't do any Win32 releases for 2.14.1, out of laziness, as it > didn't seem to contain that many changes relevant for Win32 (the > freshest gtk and glib binaries are anyway available on ftp.gtk.org), > but for 2.14.2 I will build and release Win32 packages. Thanks for all your awesome work! Cheers, Elijah From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jun 7 02:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD33B01C2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-03 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068953B043A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A5D3C384; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB55D3F61; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Elijah Newren Message-ID: <20060607063519.GS5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Elijah Newren , Tor Lillqvist , Owen Taylor , release-team@gnome.org References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 16:34:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 16:34:54 up 5 days, 16:26, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Tor Lillqvist , release-team@gnome.org, Owen Taylor Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:35:43 -0000 > Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure > responded but since they haven't... Sorry, will look at it again tonight. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Consensus is whatever the developers remember or agree with." - Paul Vixie, Open Sources From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 05:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D83B0341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29690-05; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFA3B0218; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 63BA0112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Elijah Newren" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:07:50 -0000 On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing more might not be sensible from us. Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the desktop set. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F883B0CDB for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11032-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71123B0CD2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 543DF1406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683176.6379.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:23 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:56 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... > > Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, > this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go > this route. :) Nice :), I'll take that path then, seems to be the best solution for all Regards From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC063B0CD7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11173-03; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B73B03C4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CA841406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:52 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > more might not be sensible from us. > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > desktop set. Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may propose it formally for the developer platform. BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) Regards > > Vincent > From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36513B0CEA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11383-07; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAF3B08CC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3D925112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Carlos Garnacho" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:27 -0000 On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing >> more might not be sensible from us. >> >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the >> desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course most welcome :-) (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) Thanks Carlos, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B93B0599; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15247-04; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68503B02C0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167D41406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:17:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1149686237.6379.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:22 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > >> more might not be sensible from us. > >> > >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > >> desktop set. > > > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? I've just seen the platform modules list, and liboobs wouldn't be so widely used as those, so perhaps it's a bad idea, forget it :) > > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) > > HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course > most welcome :-) > > (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who > know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) I did when I branched for 2.16 [1] and didn't get much feedback, so I assumed there were no objections :) Regards [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00025.html From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B223B0D2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20885-10 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2463B0CDC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so216738wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D0eq0n8N3l3K9YJNCQxHR4sYlBpeEFqCfGwzXqChMMZEDW4vj4i6xU/+jznUW+MtMQ/dbip/n+lMSzBYgKZzU2ToT1J8mVEo+g85v7mKd/RBvIRl96Z2+VM5tKrLt9XwwZ8ZFkN5ZwpXJbqetPbsPEtw3QIiXHPg9rI2crGWmaU= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr759285wxb; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070734p6610930ve270f26eb743664a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Vincent Untz Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:42 -0000 On 6/7/06, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > > more might not be sensible from us. > > > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > > desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) PolicyKit used to be part of HAL, so it's somewhat of a special case; there's no new code we're depending on, just a splitting of the codebase that we depended on. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DA3B0599 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045523B0CFC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so218255wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H+O6tBE3bChvKHuP/ckDeTPWgM1EciSdnE6DOpCUOnQa8DZjESTLvs2nVT8QoXD4A/x+jXK0uhkXffCr4JhrzKeuaS9sKsBNjR+HiqldoEMKgDetIccPKSYE3au1K2ktW1wN3v1zfkiIK4UnIWZBCKrnEC9eLW8E0bLLkKPR+1k= Received: by 10.70.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr704187wxd; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070745m7f97b11dne7381eded427891e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:45:01 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:45:05 -0000 On 6/7/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing Yes, but we (as a community) have not shown a love for any-and-all-bindings as dependencies, which I thought would be the sticking point. It took quite some discussion over the years to get the python dependency accepted. It may well turn out to be okayed by the community, but we'd have to find out. :) There's probably a limit to what we can impose on external dependencies, sure, but I think accepting everything would likely cause problems too (after all, that's the whole reason we need consensus on new dependencies for internal projects; also - libsexy anyone?). Considering that it was hard to get g-s-t into the release set, I wanted to avoid any big ruckus when others discovered the dependency (assuming they haven't already). Anyway, just my thoughts... 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At Thu Jun 8 04:19:07 2006 the scanner said: McAfee: file.zip Found the W32/Mydoom.o@MM!zip virus !!! --=20 Postmaster Health Science Center Library MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support ------=_NextPart_000_0009_341D76A8.904FA016-- --61240337E5.1149754748/frodo.hscl.ufl.edu-- From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695D3B0095 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09566-07 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324473B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1923150uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:54:46 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582233B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15751-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B3B00B1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so871253wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:10:41 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519453B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07405-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E73B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYIi030916 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYrG017811 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2FYNi002791 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165041.4081.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: GTK+ release is a bit late X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:47 -0000 I thought I should maybe let you know that I am working on a GTK+ release now, but I won't quite make the deadline for 2.15.3 Matthias From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From newren@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA23B00F8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04983-06 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB33B01A1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so361458wxd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.40.11 with SMTP id n11mr3046330wxn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.102.9 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Joseph E. Sacco" , guenther , "John (J5) Palmieri" , "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:11:53 -0000 Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB03B00B8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4BA3B014E for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so506816wxd for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr4267893wxw; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.19 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Elijah Newren" Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joseph E. Sacco" , Gnome Release Team , guenther X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:40 -0000 On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 16 13:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835163B0253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08609-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435153B03BE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDC3C752 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:47 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07049200E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Tue Jun 20 03:37:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:37:45 up 15 days, 3:29, 8 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:40:35 -0000 > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160C3B01A7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08509-03; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8883B0165; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CqV005036; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CQG009825; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.98] (dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.98]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ED1BMh032298; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:11 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0000 evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 07:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F83B08E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19926-01; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44523B08E4; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J10005C30UK0280@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] ([84.48.67.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1000MOP0UJA3A0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-reply-to: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> To: Matthias Clasen Message-id: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0000 ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd@bridgewayconsulting.com.au Sat Jun 17 12:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D143B0165; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27617-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF3B0083; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7FE22E8004; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 From: Davyd Madeley To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, UNIQUE_WORDS=2.347] X-Spam-Score: 0.263 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:36:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47B3B00FD; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04221-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F663B010F; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060617191412m1200a7tike>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.654 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -0.654 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0000 The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:49:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: Matthias Clasen , release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:37 +0530 Message-Id: <1150775557.5777.2.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:50:16 -0000 My comments updated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337996 -Harish On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 09:03 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > > > _______________________________________________ > Evolution-hackers mailing list > Evolution-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EDF3B014F for ; 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Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:47:41 -0000 Hi, It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Elijah From carlosg@gnome.org Tue Jun 6 13:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D33B023F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10550-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (133.Red-88-0-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.0.26.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A23B0AF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33DCB13F73; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:50:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure Probably due to my ignorance, I thought that being an external module it was more or less safe to add a dependency, my apologies. > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Blessing all Perl GNOME bindings just for using DBus seems overkill to me... > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Thanks a lot :)... I still have to see if it was worth the effort :P Regards > > Elijah From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E13B0B15 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AA3B0253 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so972667wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEHJ+fyy75YUY6Cd3/ON4Kd3rTCVIdRrxcmQtStIffWFD37SJ3D7RsOm2T16dJOf+hrXJp3ggYMW1nCMPYWpCG4a3X/hmV/pxhAR3xAvTW1OEI7vWRzY7+sZImgmDMlol7LuzGA23Sy6vqRBIGf6hRfSqKRbLTfcqYdSYbQbhiI= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr7845604wxa; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:56:07 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:56:12 -0000 Hi, > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go this route. :) From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ABE3B019B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFF3B02D7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so112553wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AhohDAwyiLjTRs41UJCr0fCXdTP2KE+f9G/2iMkecWPFGrdvRFLYGAy6eQNsNR5ZaCQiXm4w4LqeceKmbcbMfj8DiplPEfRw0sdcRfCcIHnkxA+0MDgi3I9bC/DH1dYNLzuc8B2uHPe6yraUr0HhkDUN1Kf2jTPULeDw43CGVH0= Received: by 10.70.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr42864wxd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:02:38 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Tor Lillqvist" In-Reply-To: <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_LQ=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Owen Taylor , Jeff Waugh , release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure responded but since they haven't... On 6/1/06, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > My idea now is to change to using Owen's plan, but still also keep the > current {platform,desktop}/2.x/2.x.y/win32 directories, but those > would now then just contain symlinks to the actual stuff under > binaries/win32//. Sounds sane to me. If you don't get objections to it soon, I'd go ahead and assume it's okay. > I don't know whether the mirrors will automatically pick up such a new > binaries folder, though? It automatically picked up the new admin folder when I created it for the admin suite, so I'm pretty sure it'd pick up a new binaries folder as well. > This has mostly worked out fine, yes. During the 2.12 and 2.13 phases > some Win32 binaries were released with slightly skewed versions as the > Win32 changes were not committed in synch with the releases, but in > 2.14.0 the versions are the same in sources and win32, as far as I can > recall. > > I didn't do any Win32 releases for 2.14.1, out of laziness, as it > didn't seem to contain that many changes relevant for Win32 (the > freshest gtk and glib binaries are anyway available on ftp.gtk.org), > but for 2.14.2 I will build and release Win32 packages. Thanks for all your awesome work! Cheers, Elijah From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jun 7 02:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD33B01C2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-03 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068953B043A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A5D3C384; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB55D3F61; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Elijah Newren Message-ID: <20060607063519.GS5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Elijah Newren , Tor Lillqvist , Owen Taylor , release-team@gnome.org References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 16:34:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 16:34:54 up 5 days, 16:26, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Tor Lillqvist , release-team@gnome.org, Owen Taylor Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:35:43 -0000 > Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure > responded but since they haven't... Sorry, will look at it again tonight. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Consensus is whatever the developers remember or agree with." - Paul Vixie, Open Sources From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 05:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D83B0341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29690-05; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFA3B0218; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 63BA0112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Elijah Newren" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:07:50 -0000 On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing more might not be sensible from us. Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the desktop set. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F883B0CDB for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11032-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71123B0CD2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 543DF1406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683176.6379.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:23 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:56 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... > > Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, > this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go > this route. :) Nice :), I'll take that path then, seems to be the best solution for all Regards From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC063B0CD7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11173-03; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B73B03C4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CA841406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:52 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > more might not be sensible from us. > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > desktop set. Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may propose it formally for the developer platform. BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) Regards > > Vincent > From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36513B0CEA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11383-07; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAF3B08CC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3D925112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Carlos Garnacho" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:27 -0000 On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing >> more might not be sensible from us. >> >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the >> desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course most welcome :-) (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) Thanks Carlos, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B93B0599; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15247-04; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68503B02C0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167D41406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:17:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1149686237.6379.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:22 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > >> more might not be sensible from us. > >> > >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > >> desktop set. > > > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? I've just seen the platform modules list, and liboobs wouldn't be so widely used as those, so perhaps it's a bad idea, forget it :) > > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) > > HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course > most welcome :-) > > (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who > know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) I did when I branched for 2.16 [1] and didn't get much feedback, so I assumed there were no objections :) Regards [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00025.html From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B223B0D2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20885-10 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2463B0CDC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so216738wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D0eq0n8N3l3K9YJNCQxHR4sYlBpeEFqCfGwzXqChMMZEDW4vj4i6xU/+jznUW+MtMQ/dbip/n+lMSzBYgKZzU2ToT1J8mVEo+g85v7mKd/RBvIRl96Z2+VM5tKrLt9XwwZ8ZFkN5ZwpXJbqetPbsPEtw3QIiXHPg9rI2crGWmaU= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr759285wxb; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070734p6610930ve270f26eb743664a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Vincent Untz Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:42 -0000 On 6/7/06, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > > more might not be sensible from us. > > > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > > desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) PolicyKit used to be part of HAL, so it's somewhat of a special case; there's no new code we're depending on, just a splitting of the codebase that we depended on. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DA3B0599 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045523B0CFC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so218255wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H+O6tBE3bChvKHuP/ckDeTPWgM1EciSdnE6DOpCUOnQa8DZjESTLvs2nVT8QoXD4A/x+jXK0uhkXffCr4JhrzKeuaS9sKsBNjR+HiqldoEMKgDetIccPKSYE3au1K2ktW1wN3v1zfkiIK4UnIWZBCKrnEC9eLW8E0bLLkKPR+1k= Received: by 10.70.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr704187wxd; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070745m7f97b11dne7381eded427891e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:45:01 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:45:05 -0000 On 6/7/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing Yes, but we (as a community) have not shown a love for any-and-all-bindings as dependencies, which I thought would be the sticking point. It took quite some discussion over the years to get the python dependency accepted. It may well turn out to be okayed by the community, but we'd have to find out. :) There's probably a limit to what we can impose on external dependencies, sure, but I think accepting everything would likely cause problems too (after all, that's the whole reason we need consensus on new dependencies for internal projects; also - libsexy anyone?). Considering that it was hard to get g-s-t into the release set, I wanted to avoid any big ruckus when others discovered the dependency (assuming they haven't already). Anyway, just my thoughts... 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At Thu Jun 8 04:19:07 2006 the scanner said: McAfee: file.zip Found the W32/Mydoom.o@MM!zip virus !!! --=20 Postmaster Health Science Center Library MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support ------=_NextPart_000_0009_341D76A8.904FA016-- --61240337E5.1149754748/frodo.hscl.ufl.edu-- From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695D3B0095 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09566-07 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324473B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1923150uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:54:46 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582233B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15751-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B3B00B1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so871253wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:10:41 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519453B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07405-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E73B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYIi030916 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYrG017811 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2FYNi002791 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165041.4081.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: GTK+ release is a bit late X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:47 -0000 I thought I should maybe let you know that I am working on a GTK+ release now, but I won't quite make the deadline for 2.15.3 Matthias From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From newren@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA23B00F8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04983-06 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB33B01A1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so361458wxd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.40.11 with SMTP id n11mr3046330wxn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.102.9 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Joseph E. Sacco" , guenther , "John (J5) Palmieri" , "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:11:53 -0000 Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB03B00B8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4BA3B014E for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so506816wxd for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr4267893wxw; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.19 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Elijah Newren" Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joseph E. Sacco" , Gnome Release Team , guenther X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:40 -0000 On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 16 13:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835163B0253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08609-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435153B03BE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDC3C752 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:47 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07049200E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Tue Jun 20 03:37:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:37:45 up 15 days, 3:29, 8 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:40:35 -0000 > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160C3B01A7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08509-03; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8883B0165; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CqV005036; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CQG009825; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.98] (dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.98]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ED1BMh032298; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:11 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0000 evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 07:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F83B08E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19926-01; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44523B08E4; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J10005C30UK0280@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] ([84.48.67.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1000MOP0UJA3A0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-reply-to: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> To: Matthias Clasen Message-id: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0000 ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd@bridgewayconsulting.com.au Sat Jun 17 12:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D143B0165; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27617-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF3B0083; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7FE22E8004; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 From: Davyd Madeley To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, UNIQUE_WORDS=2.347] X-Spam-Score: 0.263 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:36:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47B3B00FD; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04221-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F663B010F; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060617191412m1200a7tike>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.654 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -0.654 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0000 The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 19 23:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BB23B0EC0; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21056-10; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC673B0EBC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:49:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: Matthias Clasen , release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:37 +0530 Message-Id: <1150775557.5777.2.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:50:16 -0000 My comments updated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337996 -Harish On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 09:03 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > > > _______________________________________________ > Evolution-hackers mailing list > Evolution-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EDF3B014F for ; 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Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:47:41 -0000 Hi, It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Elijah From carlosg@gnome.org Tue Jun 6 13:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D33B023F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10550-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (133.Red-88-0-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.0.26.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A23B0AF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33DCB13F73; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:50:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure Probably due to my ignorance, I thought that being an external module it was more or less safe to add a dependency, my apologies. > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Blessing all Perl GNOME bindings just for using DBus seems overkill to me... > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Thanks a lot :)... I still have to see if it was worth the effort :P Regards > > Elijah From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E13B0B15 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AA3B0253 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so972667wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEHJ+fyy75YUY6Cd3/ON4Kd3rTCVIdRrxcmQtStIffWFD37SJ3D7RsOm2T16dJOf+hrXJp3ggYMW1nCMPYWpCG4a3X/hmV/pxhAR3xAvTW1OEI7vWRzY7+sZImgmDMlol7LuzGA23Sy6vqRBIGf6hRfSqKRbLTfcqYdSYbQbhiI= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr7845604wxa; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:56:07 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:56:12 -0000 Hi, > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go this route. :) From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ABE3B019B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFF3B02D7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so112553wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AhohDAwyiLjTRs41UJCr0fCXdTP2KE+f9G/2iMkecWPFGrdvRFLYGAy6eQNsNR5ZaCQiXm4w4LqeceKmbcbMfj8DiplPEfRw0sdcRfCcIHnkxA+0MDgi3I9bC/DH1dYNLzuc8B2uHPe6yraUr0HhkDUN1Kf2jTPULeDw43CGVH0= Received: by 10.70.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr42864wxd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:02:38 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Tor Lillqvist" In-Reply-To: <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_LQ=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Owen Taylor , Jeff Waugh , release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure responded but since they haven't... On 6/1/06, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > My idea now is to change to using Owen's plan, but still also keep the > current {platform,desktop}/2.x/2.x.y/win32 directories, but those > would now then just contain symlinks to the actual stuff under > binaries/win32//. Sounds sane to me. If you don't get objections to it soon, I'd go ahead and assume it's okay. > I don't know whether the mirrors will automatically pick up such a new > binaries folder, though? It automatically picked up the new admin folder when I created it for the admin suite, so I'm pretty sure it'd pick up a new binaries folder as well. > This has mostly worked out fine, yes. During the 2.12 and 2.13 phases > some Win32 binaries were released with slightly skewed versions as the > Win32 changes were not committed in synch with the releases, but in > 2.14.0 the versions are the same in sources and win32, as far as I can > recall. > > I didn't do any Win32 releases for 2.14.1, out of laziness, as it > didn't seem to contain that many changes relevant for Win32 (the > freshest gtk and glib binaries are anyway available on ftp.gtk.org), > but for 2.14.2 I will build and release Win32 packages. Thanks for all your awesome work! Cheers, Elijah From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jun 7 02:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD33B01C2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-03 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068953B043A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A5D3C384; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB55D3F61; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Elijah Newren Message-ID: <20060607063519.GS5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Elijah Newren , Tor Lillqvist , Owen Taylor , release-team@gnome.org References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 16:34:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 16:34:54 up 5 days, 16:26, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Tor Lillqvist , release-team@gnome.org, Owen Taylor Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:35:43 -0000 > Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure > responded but since they haven't... Sorry, will look at it again tonight. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Consensus is whatever the developers remember or agree with." - Paul Vixie, Open Sources From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 05:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D83B0341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29690-05; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFA3B0218; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 63BA0112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Elijah Newren" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:07:50 -0000 On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing more might not be sensible from us. Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the desktop set. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F883B0CDB for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11032-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71123B0CD2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 543DF1406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683176.6379.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:23 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:56 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... > > Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, > this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go > this route. :) Nice :), I'll take that path then, seems to be the best solution for all Regards From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC063B0CD7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11173-03; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B73B03C4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CA841406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:52 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > more might not be sensible from us. > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > desktop set. Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may propose it formally for the developer platform. BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) Regards > > Vincent > From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36513B0CEA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11383-07; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAF3B08CC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3D925112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Carlos Garnacho" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:27 -0000 On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing >> more might not be sensible from us. >> >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the >> desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course most welcome :-) (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) Thanks Carlos, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B93B0599; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15247-04; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68503B02C0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167D41406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:17:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1149686237.6379.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:22 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > >> more might not be sensible from us. > >> > >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > >> desktop set. > > > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? I've just seen the platform modules list, and liboobs wouldn't be so widely used as those, so perhaps it's a bad idea, forget it :) > > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) > > HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course > most welcome :-) > > (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who > know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) I did when I branched for 2.16 [1] and didn't get much feedback, so I assumed there were no objections :) Regards [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00025.html From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B223B0D2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20885-10 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2463B0CDC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so216738wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D0eq0n8N3l3K9YJNCQxHR4sYlBpeEFqCfGwzXqChMMZEDW4vj4i6xU/+jznUW+MtMQ/dbip/n+lMSzBYgKZzU2ToT1J8mVEo+g85v7mKd/RBvIRl96Z2+VM5tKrLt9XwwZ8ZFkN5ZwpXJbqetPbsPEtw3QIiXHPg9rI2crGWmaU= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr759285wxb; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070734p6610930ve270f26eb743664a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Vincent Untz Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:42 -0000 On 6/7/06, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > > more might not be sensible from us. > > > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > > desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) PolicyKit used to be part of HAL, so it's somewhat of a special case; there's no new code we're depending on, just a splitting of the codebase that we depended on. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DA3B0599 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045523B0CFC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so218255wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H+O6tBE3bChvKHuP/ckDeTPWgM1EciSdnE6DOpCUOnQa8DZjESTLvs2nVT8QoXD4A/x+jXK0uhkXffCr4JhrzKeuaS9sKsBNjR+HiqldoEMKgDetIccPKSYE3au1K2ktW1wN3v1zfkiIK4UnIWZBCKrnEC9eLW8E0bLLkKPR+1k= Received: by 10.70.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr704187wxd; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070745m7f97b11dne7381eded427891e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:45:01 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:45:05 -0000 On 6/7/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing Yes, but we (as a community) have not shown a love for any-and-all-bindings as dependencies, which I thought would be the sticking point. It took quite some discussion over the years to get the python dependency accepted. It may well turn out to be okayed by the community, but we'd have to find out. :) There's probably a limit to what we can impose on external dependencies, sure, but I think accepting everything would likely cause problems too (after all, that's the whole reason we need consensus on new dependencies for internal projects; also - libsexy anyone?). Considering that it was hard to get g-s-t into the release set, I wanted to avoid any big ruckus when others discovered the dependency (assuming they haven't already). Anyway, just my thoughts... 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At Thu Jun 8 04:19:07 2006 the scanner said: McAfee: file.zip Found the W32/Mydoom.o@MM!zip virus !!! --=20 Postmaster Health Science Center Library MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support ------=_NextPart_000_0009_341D76A8.904FA016-- --61240337E5.1149754748/frodo.hscl.ufl.edu-- From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695D3B0095 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09566-07 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324473B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1923150uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:54:46 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582233B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15751-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B3B00B1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so871253wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:10:41 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519453B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07405-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E73B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYIi030916 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYrG017811 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2FYNi002791 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165041.4081.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: GTK+ release is a bit late X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:47 -0000 I thought I should maybe let you know that I am working on a GTK+ release now, but I won't quite make the deadline for 2.15.3 Matthias From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From newren@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA23B00F8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04983-06 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB33B01A1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so361458wxd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.40.11 with SMTP id n11mr3046330wxn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.102.9 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Joseph E. Sacco" , guenther , "John (J5) Palmieri" , "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:11:53 -0000 Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB03B00B8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4BA3B014E for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so506816wxd for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr4267893wxw; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.19 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Elijah Newren" Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joseph E. Sacco" , Gnome Release Team , guenther X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:40 -0000 On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 16 13:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835163B0253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08609-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435153B03BE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDC3C752 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:47 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07049200E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Tue Jun 20 03:37:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:37:45 up 15 days, 3:29, 8 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:40:35 -0000 > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160C3B01A7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08509-03; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8883B0165; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CqV005036; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CQG009825; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.98] (dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.98]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ED1BMh032298; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:11 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0000 evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 07:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F83B08E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19926-01; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44523B08E4; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J10005C30UK0280@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] ([84.48.67.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1000MOP0UJA3A0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-reply-to: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> To: Matthias Clasen Message-id: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0000 ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd@bridgewayconsulting.com.au Sat Jun 17 12:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D143B0165; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27617-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF3B0083; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7FE22E8004; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 From: Davyd Madeley To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, UNIQUE_WORDS=2.347] X-Spam-Score: 0.263 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:36:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47B3B00FD; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04221-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F663B010F; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060617191412m1200a7tike>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.654 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -0.654 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0000 The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:49:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: Matthias Clasen , release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:37 +0530 Message-Id: <1150775557.5777.2.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:50:16 -0000 My comments updated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337996 -Harish On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 09:03 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > > > _______________________________________________ > Evolution-hackers mailing list > Evolution-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EDF3B014F for ; 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Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:47:41 -0000 Hi, It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Elijah From carlosg@gnome.org Tue Jun 6 13:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D33B023F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10550-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (133.Red-88-0-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.0.26.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A23B0AF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33DCB13F73; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:50:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure Probably due to my ignorance, I thought that being an external module it was more or less safe to add a dependency, my apologies. > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Blessing all Perl GNOME bindings just for using DBus seems overkill to me... > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Thanks a lot :)... I still have to see if it was worth the effort :P Regards > > Elijah From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E13B0B15 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AA3B0253 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so972667wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEHJ+fyy75YUY6Cd3/ON4Kd3rTCVIdRrxcmQtStIffWFD37SJ3D7RsOm2T16dJOf+hrXJp3ggYMW1nCMPYWpCG4a3X/hmV/pxhAR3xAvTW1OEI7vWRzY7+sZImgmDMlol7LuzGA23Sy6vqRBIGf6hRfSqKRbLTfcqYdSYbQbhiI= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr7845604wxa; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:56:07 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:56:12 -0000 Hi, > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go this route. :) From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ABE3B019B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFF3B02D7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so112553wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AhohDAwyiLjTRs41UJCr0fCXdTP2KE+f9G/2iMkecWPFGrdvRFLYGAy6eQNsNR5ZaCQiXm4w4LqeceKmbcbMfj8DiplPEfRw0sdcRfCcIHnkxA+0MDgi3I9bC/DH1dYNLzuc8B2uHPe6yraUr0HhkDUN1Kf2jTPULeDw43CGVH0= Received: by 10.70.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr42864wxd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:02:38 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Tor Lillqvist" In-Reply-To: <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_LQ=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Owen Taylor , Jeff Waugh , release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure responded but since they haven't... On 6/1/06, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > My idea now is to change to using Owen's plan, but still also keep the > current {platform,desktop}/2.x/2.x.y/win32 directories, but those > would now then just contain symlinks to the actual stuff under > binaries/win32//. Sounds sane to me. If you don't get objections to it soon, I'd go ahead and assume it's okay. > I don't know whether the mirrors will automatically pick up such a new > binaries folder, though? It automatically picked up the new admin folder when I created it for the admin suite, so I'm pretty sure it'd pick up a new binaries folder as well. > This has mostly worked out fine, yes. During the 2.12 and 2.13 phases > some Win32 binaries were released with slightly skewed versions as the > Win32 changes were not committed in synch with the releases, but in > 2.14.0 the versions are the same in sources and win32, as far as I can > recall. > > I didn't do any Win32 releases for 2.14.1, out of laziness, as it > didn't seem to contain that many changes relevant for Win32 (the > freshest gtk and glib binaries are anyway available on ftp.gtk.org), > but for 2.14.2 I will build and release Win32 packages. Thanks for all your awesome work! Cheers, Elijah From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jun 7 02:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD33B01C2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-03 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068953B043A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A5D3C384; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB55D3F61; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Elijah Newren Message-ID: <20060607063519.GS5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Elijah Newren , Tor Lillqvist , Owen Taylor , release-team@gnome.org References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 16:34:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 16:34:54 up 5 days, 16:26, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Tor Lillqvist , release-team@gnome.org, Owen Taylor Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:35:43 -0000 > Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure > responded but since they haven't... Sorry, will look at it again tonight. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Consensus is whatever the developers remember or agree with." - Paul Vixie, Open Sources From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 05:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D83B0341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29690-05; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFA3B0218; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 63BA0112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Elijah Newren" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:07:50 -0000 On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing more might not be sensible from us. Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the desktop set. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F883B0CDB for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11032-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71123B0CD2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 543DF1406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683176.6379.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:23 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:56 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... > > Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, > this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go > this route. :) Nice :), I'll take that path then, seems to be the best solution for all Regards From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC063B0CD7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11173-03; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B73B03C4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CA841406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:52 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > more might not be sensible from us. > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > desktop set. Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may propose it formally for the developer platform. BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) Regards > > Vincent > From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36513B0CEA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11383-07; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAF3B08CC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3D925112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Carlos Garnacho" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:27 -0000 On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing >> more might not be sensible from us. >> >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the >> desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course most welcome :-) (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) Thanks Carlos, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B93B0599; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15247-04; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68503B02C0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167D41406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:17:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1149686237.6379.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:22 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > >> more might not be sensible from us. > >> > >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > >> desktop set. > > > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? I've just seen the platform modules list, and liboobs wouldn't be so widely used as those, so perhaps it's a bad idea, forget it :) > > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) > > HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course > most welcome :-) > > (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who > know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) I did when I branched for 2.16 [1] and didn't get much feedback, so I assumed there were no objections :) Regards [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00025.html From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B223B0D2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20885-10 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2463B0CDC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so216738wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D0eq0n8N3l3K9YJNCQxHR4sYlBpeEFqCfGwzXqChMMZEDW4vj4i6xU/+jznUW+MtMQ/dbip/n+lMSzBYgKZzU2ToT1J8mVEo+g85v7mKd/RBvIRl96Z2+VM5tKrLt9XwwZ8ZFkN5ZwpXJbqetPbsPEtw3QIiXHPg9rI2crGWmaU= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr759285wxb; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070734p6610930ve270f26eb743664a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Vincent Untz Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:42 -0000 On 6/7/06, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > > more might not be sensible from us. > > > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > > desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) PolicyKit used to be part of HAL, so it's somewhat of a special case; there's no new code we're depending on, just a splitting of the codebase that we depended on. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DA3B0599 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045523B0CFC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so218255wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H+O6tBE3bChvKHuP/ckDeTPWgM1EciSdnE6DOpCUOnQa8DZjESTLvs2nVT8QoXD4A/x+jXK0uhkXffCr4JhrzKeuaS9sKsBNjR+HiqldoEMKgDetIccPKSYE3au1K2ktW1wN3v1zfkiIK4UnIWZBCKrnEC9eLW8E0bLLkKPR+1k= Received: by 10.70.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr704187wxd; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070745m7f97b11dne7381eded427891e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:45:01 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:45:05 -0000 On 6/7/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing Yes, but we (as a community) have not shown a love for any-and-all-bindings as dependencies, which I thought would be the sticking point. It took quite some discussion over the years to get the python dependency accepted. It may well turn out to be okayed by the community, but we'd have to find out. :) There's probably a limit to what we can impose on external dependencies, sure, but I think accepting everything would likely cause problems too (after all, that's the whole reason we need consensus on new dependencies for internal projects; also - libsexy anyone?). Considering that it was hard to get g-s-t into the release set, I wanted to avoid any big ruckus when others discovered the dependency (assuming they haven't already). Anyway, just my thoughts... 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At Thu Jun 8 04:19:07 2006 the scanner said: McAfee: file.zip Found the W32/Mydoom.o@MM!zip virus !!! --=20 Postmaster Health Science Center Library MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support ------=_NextPart_000_0009_341D76A8.904FA016-- --61240337E5.1149754748/frodo.hscl.ufl.edu-- From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695D3B0095 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09566-07 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324473B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1923150uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:54:46 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582233B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15751-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B3B00B1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so871253wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:10:41 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519453B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07405-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E73B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYIi030916 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYrG017811 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2FYNi002791 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165041.4081.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: GTK+ release is a bit late X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:47 -0000 I thought I should maybe let you know that I am working on a GTK+ release now, but I won't quite make the deadline for 2.15.3 Matthias From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From newren@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA23B00F8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04983-06 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB33B01A1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so361458wxd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.40.11 with SMTP id n11mr3046330wxn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.102.9 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Joseph E. Sacco" , guenther , "John (J5) Palmieri" , "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:11:53 -0000 Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB03B00B8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4BA3B014E for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so506816wxd for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr4267893wxw; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.19 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Elijah Newren" Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joseph E. Sacco" , Gnome Release Team , guenther X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:40 -0000 On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 16 13:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835163B0253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08609-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435153B03BE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDC3C752 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:47 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07049200E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Tue Jun 20 03:37:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:37:45 up 15 days, 3:29, 8 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:40:35 -0000 > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160C3B01A7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08509-03; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8883B0165; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CqV005036; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CQG009825; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.98] (dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.98]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ED1BMh032298; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:11 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0000 evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 07:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F83B08E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19926-01; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44523B08E4; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J10005C30UK0280@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] ([84.48.67.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1000MOP0UJA3A0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-reply-to: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> To: Matthias Clasen Message-id: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0000 ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd@bridgewayconsulting.com.au Sat Jun 17 12:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D143B0165; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27617-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF3B0083; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7FE22E8004; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 From: Davyd Madeley To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, UNIQUE_WORDS=2.347] X-Spam-Score: 0.263 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:36:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47B3B00FD; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04221-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F663B010F; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060617191412m1200a7tike>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.654 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -0.654 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0000 The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 19 23:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BB23B0EC0; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21056-10; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC673B0EBC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:49:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: Matthias Clasen , release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:37 +0530 Message-Id: <1150775557.5777.2.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:50:16 -0000 My comments updated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337996 -Harish On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 09:03 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > > > _______________________________________________ > Evolution-hackers mailing list > Evolution-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EDF3B014F for ; 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Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:47:41 -0000 Hi, It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Elijah From carlosg@gnome.org Tue Jun 6 13:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D33B023F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10550-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (133.Red-88-0-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.0.26.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A23B0AF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33DCB13F73; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:50:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure Probably due to my ignorance, I thought that being an external module it was more or less safe to add a dependency, my apologies. > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Blessing all Perl GNOME bindings just for using DBus seems overkill to me... > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Thanks a lot :)... I still have to see if it was worth the effort :P Regards > > Elijah From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E13B0B15 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AA3B0253 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so972667wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEHJ+fyy75YUY6Cd3/ON4Kd3rTCVIdRrxcmQtStIffWFD37SJ3D7RsOm2T16dJOf+hrXJp3ggYMW1nCMPYWpCG4a3X/hmV/pxhAR3xAvTW1OEI7vWRzY7+sZImgmDMlol7LuzGA23Sy6vqRBIGf6hRfSqKRbLTfcqYdSYbQbhiI= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr7845604wxa; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:56:07 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:56:12 -0000 Hi, > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go this route. :) From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ABE3B019B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFF3B02D7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so112553wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AhohDAwyiLjTRs41UJCr0fCXdTP2KE+f9G/2iMkecWPFGrdvRFLYGAy6eQNsNR5ZaCQiXm4w4LqeceKmbcbMfj8DiplPEfRw0sdcRfCcIHnkxA+0MDgi3I9bC/DH1dYNLzuc8B2uHPe6yraUr0HhkDUN1Kf2jTPULeDw43CGVH0= Received: by 10.70.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr42864wxd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:02:38 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Tor Lillqvist" In-Reply-To: <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_LQ=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Owen Taylor , Jeff Waugh , release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure responded but since they haven't... On 6/1/06, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > My idea now is to change to using Owen's plan, but still also keep the > current {platform,desktop}/2.x/2.x.y/win32 directories, but those > would now then just contain symlinks to the actual stuff under > binaries/win32//. Sounds sane to me. If you don't get objections to it soon, I'd go ahead and assume it's okay. > I don't know whether the mirrors will automatically pick up such a new > binaries folder, though? It automatically picked up the new admin folder when I created it for the admin suite, so I'm pretty sure it'd pick up a new binaries folder as well. > This has mostly worked out fine, yes. During the 2.12 and 2.13 phases > some Win32 binaries were released with slightly skewed versions as the > Win32 changes were not committed in synch with the releases, but in > 2.14.0 the versions are the same in sources and win32, as far as I can > recall. > > I didn't do any Win32 releases for 2.14.1, out of laziness, as it > didn't seem to contain that many changes relevant for Win32 (the > freshest gtk and glib binaries are anyway available on ftp.gtk.org), > but for 2.14.2 I will build and release Win32 packages. Thanks for all your awesome work! Cheers, Elijah From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jun 7 02:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD33B01C2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-03 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068953B043A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A5D3C384; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB55D3F61; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Elijah Newren Message-ID: <20060607063519.GS5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Elijah Newren , Tor Lillqvist , Owen Taylor , release-team@gnome.org References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 16:34:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 16:34:54 up 5 days, 16:26, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Tor Lillqvist , release-team@gnome.org, Owen Taylor Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:35:43 -0000 > Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure > responded but since they haven't... Sorry, will look at it again tonight. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Consensus is whatever the developers remember or agree with." - Paul Vixie, Open Sources From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 05:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D83B0341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29690-05; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFA3B0218; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 63BA0112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Elijah Newren" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:07:50 -0000 On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing more might not be sensible from us. Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the desktop set. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F883B0CDB for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11032-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71123B0CD2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 543DF1406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683176.6379.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:23 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:56 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... > > Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, > this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go > this route. :) Nice :), I'll take that path then, seems to be the best solution for all Regards From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC063B0CD7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11173-03; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B73B03C4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CA841406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:52 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > more might not be sensible from us. > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > desktop set. Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may propose it formally for the developer platform. BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) Regards > > Vincent > From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36513B0CEA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11383-07; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAF3B08CC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3D925112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Carlos Garnacho" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:27 -0000 On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing >> more might not be sensible from us. >> >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the >> desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course most welcome :-) (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) Thanks Carlos, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B93B0599; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15247-04; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68503B02C0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167D41406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:17:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1149686237.6379.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:22 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > >> more might not be sensible from us. > >> > >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > >> desktop set. > > > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? I've just seen the platform modules list, and liboobs wouldn't be so widely used as those, so perhaps it's a bad idea, forget it :) > > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) > > HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course > most welcome :-) > > (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who > know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) I did when I branched for 2.16 [1] and didn't get much feedback, so I assumed there were no objections :) Regards [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00025.html From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B223B0D2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20885-10 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2463B0CDC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so216738wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D0eq0n8N3l3K9YJNCQxHR4sYlBpeEFqCfGwzXqChMMZEDW4vj4i6xU/+jznUW+MtMQ/dbip/n+lMSzBYgKZzU2ToT1J8mVEo+g85v7mKd/RBvIRl96Z2+VM5tKrLt9XwwZ8ZFkN5ZwpXJbqetPbsPEtw3QIiXHPg9rI2crGWmaU= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr759285wxb; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070734p6610930ve270f26eb743664a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Vincent Untz Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:42 -0000 On 6/7/06, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > > more might not be sensible from us. > > > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > > desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) PolicyKit used to be part of HAL, so it's somewhat of a special case; there's no new code we're depending on, just a splitting of the codebase that we depended on. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DA3B0599 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045523B0CFC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so218255wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H+O6tBE3bChvKHuP/ckDeTPWgM1EciSdnE6DOpCUOnQa8DZjESTLvs2nVT8QoXD4A/x+jXK0uhkXffCr4JhrzKeuaS9sKsBNjR+HiqldoEMKgDetIccPKSYE3au1K2ktW1wN3v1zfkiIK4UnIWZBCKrnEC9eLW8E0bLLkKPR+1k= Received: by 10.70.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr704187wxd; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070745m7f97b11dne7381eded427891e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:45:01 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:45:05 -0000 On 6/7/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing Yes, but we (as a community) have not shown a love for any-and-all-bindings as dependencies, which I thought would be the sticking point. It took quite some discussion over the years to get the python dependency accepted. It may well turn out to be okayed by the community, but we'd have to find out. :) There's probably a limit to what we can impose on external dependencies, sure, but I think accepting everything would likely cause problems too (after all, that's the whole reason we need consensus on new dependencies for internal projects; also - libsexy anyone?). Considering that it was hard to get g-s-t into the release set, I wanted to avoid any big ruckus when others discovered the dependency (assuming they haven't already). Anyway, just my thoughts... 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At Thu Jun 8 04:19:07 2006 the scanner said: McAfee: file.zip Found the W32/Mydoom.o@MM!zip virus !!! --=20 Postmaster Health Science Center Library MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support ------=_NextPart_000_0009_341D76A8.904FA016-- --61240337E5.1149754748/frodo.hscl.ufl.edu-- From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695D3B0095 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09566-07 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324473B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1923150uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:54:46 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582233B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15751-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B3B00B1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so871253wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:10:41 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519453B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07405-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E73B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYIi030916 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYrG017811 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2FYNi002791 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165041.4081.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: GTK+ release is a bit late X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:47 -0000 I thought I should maybe let you know that I am working on a GTK+ release now, but I won't quite make the deadline for 2.15.3 Matthias From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From newren@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA23B00F8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04983-06 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB33B01A1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so361458wxd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.40.11 with SMTP id n11mr3046330wxn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.102.9 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Joseph E. Sacco" , guenther , "John (J5) Palmieri" , "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:11:53 -0000 Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB03B00B8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4BA3B014E for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so506816wxd for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr4267893wxw; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.19 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Elijah Newren" Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joseph E. Sacco" , Gnome Release Team , guenther X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:40 -0000 On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 16 13:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835163B0253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08609-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435153B03BE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDC3C752 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:47 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07049200E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Tue Jun 20 03:37:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:37:45 up 15 days, 3:29, 8 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:40:35 -0000 > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160C3B01A7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08509-03; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8883B0165; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CqV005036; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CQG009825; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.98] (dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.98]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ED1BMh032298; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:11 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0000 evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 07:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F83B08E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19926-01; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44523B08E4; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J10005C30UK0280@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] ([84.48.67.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1000MOP0UJA3A0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-reply-to: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> To: Matthias Clasen Message-id: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0000 ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd@bridgewayconsulting.com.au Sat Jun 17 12:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D143B0165; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27617-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF3B0083; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7FE22E8004; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 From: Davyd Madeley To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, UNIQUE_WORDS=2.347] X-Spam-Score: 0.263 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:36:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47B3B00FD; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04221-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F663B010F; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060617191412m1200a7tike>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.654 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -0.654 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0000 The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; 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Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:49:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: Matthias Clasen , release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:37 +0530 Message-Id: <1150775557.5777.2.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:50:16 -0000 My comments updated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337996 -Harish On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 09:03 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > > > _______________________________________________ > Evolution-hackers mailing list > Evolution-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 12:47:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36EDF3B014F for ; 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Tue, 6 Jun 2006 09:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:47:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.571 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.029, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.571 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 16:47:41 -0000 Hi, It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Elijah From carlosg@gnome.org Tue Jun 6 13:50:04 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B86D33B023F for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10550-08 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (133.Red-88-0-26.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [88.0.26.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 547A23B0AF8 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:50:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 33DCB13F73; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:49:53 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:49:52 +0200 Message-Id: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:50:04 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 10:47 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure Probably due to my ignorance, I thought that being an external module it was more or less safe to add a dependency, my apologies. > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Blessing all Perl GNOME bindings just for using DBus seems overkill to me... > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) Thanks a lot :)... I still have to see if it was worth the effort :P Regards > > Elijah From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 13:56:12 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 199E13B0B15 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 10891-02 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA9AA3B0253 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 13:56:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id h29so972667wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:09 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=uEHJ+fyy75YUY6Cd3/ON4Kd3rTCVIdRrxcmQtStIffWFD37SJ3D7RsOm2T16dJOf+hrXJp3ggYMW1nCMPYWpCG4a3X/hmV/pxhAR3xAvTW1OEI7vWRzY7+sZImgmDMlol7LuzGA23Sy6vqRBIGf6hRfSqKRbLTfcqYdSYbQbhiI= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr7845604wxa; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 10:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 11:56:07 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.572 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.028, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.572 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 06 Jun 2006 17:56:12 -0000 Hi, > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go this route. :) From newren@gmail.com Tue Jun 6 22:02:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61ABE3B019B for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04343-07 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.192]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3FFF3B02D7 for ; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 22:02:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so112553wxd for ; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=AhohDAwyiLjTRs41UJCr0fCXdTP2KE+f9G/2iMkecWPFGrdvRFLYGAy6eQNsNR5ZaCQiXm4w4LqeceKmbcbMfj8DiplPEfRw0sdcRfCcIHnkxA+0MDgi3I9bC/DH1dYNLzuc8B2uHPe6yraUr0HhkDUN1Kf2jTPULeDw43CGVH0= Received: by 10.70.128.9 with SMTP id a9mr42864wxd; Tue, 06 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Jun 2006 19:02:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Jun 2006 20:02:38 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Tor Lillqvist" In-Reply-To: <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.051, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_LQ=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.497 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Owen Taylor , Jeff Waugh , release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 02:02:41 -0000 Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure responded but since they haven't... On 6/1/06, Tor Lillqvist wrote: > My idea now is to change to using Owen's plan, but still also keep the > current {platform,desktop}/2.x/2.x.y/win32 directories, but those > would now then just contain symlinks to the actual stuff under > binaries/win32//. Sounds sane to me. If you don't get objections to it soon, I'd go ahead and assume it's okay. > I don't know whether the mirrors will automatically pick up such a new > binaries folder, though? It automatically picked up the new admin folder when I created it for the admin suite, so I'm pretty sure it'd pick up a new binaries folder as well. > This has mostly worked out fine, yes. During the 2.12 and 2.13 phases > some Win32 binaries were released with slightly skewed versions as the > Win32 changes were not committed in synch with the releases, but in > 2.14.0 the versions are the same in sources and win32, as far as I can > recall. > > I didn't do any Win32 releases for 2.14.1, out of laziness, as it > didn't seem to contain that many changes relevant for Win32 (the > freshest gtk and glib binaries are anyway available on ftp.gtk.org), > but for 2.14.2 I will build and release Win32 packages. Thanks for all your awesome work! Cheers, Elijah From jdub@waugh.id.au Wed Jun 7 02:35:43 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19AD33B01C2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19435-03 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 068953B043A for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 02:35:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B6A5D3C384; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:22 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id CB55D3F61; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 (EST) Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 16:35:19 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: Elijah Newren Message-ID: <20060607063519.GS5138@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: Elijah Newren , Tor Lillqvist , Owen Taylor , release-team@gnome.org References: <17155.61017.78000.900306@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124357051.8534.9.camel@localhost> <17156.23654.541000.948486@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <1124389702.18081.9.camel@localhost.localdomain> <17156.61607.290000.576353@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <20050818211904.GE7349@localhost.localdomain> <17534.42104.144000.634102@gargle.gargle.HOWL> <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061902i33ea8e9k356de7c435e82ba1@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Sat Jun 10 16:34:54 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 16:34:54 up 5 days, 16:26, 9 users, load average: 0.05, 0.04, 0.00 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.447 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.447 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Tor Lillqvist , release-team@gnome.org, Owen Taylor Subject: Re: Hosting Win32 binary packages of GNOME stuff on ftp.gnome.org? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 06:35:43 -0000 > Well, I'd rather those who spent more time designing the structure > responded but since they haven't... Sorry, will look at it again tonight. - Jeff -- GUADEC 2006: Vilanova i la Geltrú, Spain http://2006.guadec.org/ "Consensus is whatever the developers remember or agree with." - Paul Vixie, Open Sources From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 05:07:50 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290D83B0341; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29690-05; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45FFA3B0218; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 05:07:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 63BA0112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 11:07:47 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Elijah Newren" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 09:07:50 -0000 On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing more might not be sensible from us. Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the desktop set. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86F883B0CDB for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11032-07 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:23 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A71123B0CD2 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 543DF1406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Elijah Newren In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <1149616193.21203.52.camel@localhost> <51419b2c0606061056o6f51426am26d05e2ab88d6dac@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:15 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683176.6379.20.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:23 -0000 On Tue, 2006-06-06 at 11:56 -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi, > > > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Making it a soft dep will be hard unless you ditch g-s-t... Maybe > > keeping an internal copy of Net::DBus in s-t-b (and using if no external > > copy is found) could be a solution? this would make s-t-b architecture > > independent for packagers and dependency-less for the rest... > > Ah, yes -- for some reason I forgot about an option like this. Yes, > this would be a third way to solve the issue if you would prefer to go > this route. :) Nice :), I'll take that path then, seems to be the best solution for all Regards From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:26:52 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BC063B0CD7; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11173-03; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 875B73B03C4; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:26:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 3CA841406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:26:50 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:26:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:26:52 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > more might not be sensible from us. > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > desktop set. Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may propose it formally for the developer platform. BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) Regards > > Vincent > From vuntz@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 08:32:26 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C36513B0CEA; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:26 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11383-07; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from fennas.vuntz.net (fennas.vuntz.net [82.228.182.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63AAF3B08CC; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:32:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: by fennas.vuntz.net (Postfix, from userid 33) id 3D925112693; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Received: from 129.88.38.77 (SquirrelMail authenticated user vuntz) by vuntz.net with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 14:32:24 +0200 (CEST) From: "Vincent Untz" To: "Carlos Garnacho" User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.561 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.038, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.561 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 12:32:27 -0000 On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing >> more might not be sensible from us. >> >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the >> desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course most welcome :-) (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) Thanks Carlos, Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. From carlosg@gnome.org Wed Jun 7 09:17:22 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E14B93B0599; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15247-04; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (233.Red-81-33-167.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net [81.33.167.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D68503B02C0; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 09:17:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: by localhost.localdomain (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 167D41406C; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 15:17:18 +0200 (CEST) From: Carlos Garnacho To: Vincent Untz In-Reply-To: <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> <53869.129.88.38.77.1149683544.squirrel@vuntz.net> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 15:17:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1149686237.6379.35.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135, RCVD_IN_NJABL_DUL=1.946, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=2.046] X-Spam-Score: 1.528 X-Spam-Level: * Cc: Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 13:17:22 -0000 On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 14:32 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Wed, June 7, 2006 14:26, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > > > >> I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > >> love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > >> restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > >> definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > >> more might not be sensible from us. > >> > >> Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > >> desktop set. > > > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > Any reason why it would be useful to have in the platform? I've just seen the platform modules list, and liboobs wouldn't be so widely used as those, so perhaps it's a bad idea, forget it :) > > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) > > HAL will depend on it, so IMHO it'll be okay. A notification is of course > most welcome :-) > > (Btw, you should probably send the notifications to d-d-l so people who > know more than the release team people can object, if necessary ;-)) I did when I branched for 2.16 [1] and didn't get much feedback, so I assumed there were no objections :) Regards [1] http://mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2006-May/msg00025.html From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:34:42 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24B223B0D2D for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:42 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 20885-10 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.198]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2463B0CDC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:34:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so216738wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=D0eq0n8N3l3K9YJNCQxHR4sYlBpeEFqCfGwzXqChMMZEDW4vj4i6xU/+jznUW+MtMQ/dbip/n+lMSzBYgKZzU2ToT1J8mVEo+g85v7mKd/RBvIRl96Z2+VM5tKrLt9XwwZ8ZFkN5ZwpXJbqetPbsPEtw3QIiXHPg9rI2crGWmaU= Received: by 10.70.95.1 with SMTP id s1mr759285wxb; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:34:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070734p6610930ve270f26eb743664a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:34:39 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Carlos Garnacho" In-Reply-To: <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> <1149683209.6379.22.camel@localhost> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.027, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.573 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Vincent Untz Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:34:42 -0000 On 6/7/06, Carlos Garnacho wrote: > On Wed, 2006-06-07 at 11:07 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote: > > > > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing > > restrictions on our blessed dependencies/external modules: we should > > definitely tell their maintainers when we're not happy, but doing > > more might not be sensible from us. > > > > Now, what about liboobs? :-) I guess it should be included in the > > desktop set. > > Indeed, when I feel more confident about it's API stability, I may > propose it formally for the developer platform. > > BTW, g-s-t will very probably depend soon on PolicyKit (a dependency > recently introduced by HAL), I initially thought it wouldn't be an > issue, but now I'm not so sure... should I have notified this too? :) PolicyKit used to be part of HAL, so it's somewhat of a special case; there's no new code we're depending on, just a splitting of the codebase that we depended on. From newren@gmail.com Wed Jun 7 10:45:05 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B76DA3B0599 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21625-01 for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:03 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 045523B0CFC for ; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 10:45:02 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so218255wxd for ; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=H+O6tBE3bChvKHuP/ckDeTPWgM1EciSdnE6DOpCUOnQa8DZjESTLvs2nVT8QoXD4A/x+jXK0uhkXffCr4JhrzKeuaS9sKsBNjR+HiqldoEMKgDetIccPKSYE3au1K2ktW1wN3v1zfkiIK4UnIWZBCKrnEC9eLW8E0bLLkKPR+1k= Received: by 10.70.131.4 with SMTP id e4mr704187wxd; Wed, 07 Jun 2006 07:45:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.112.7 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jun 2006 07:45:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606070745m7f97b11dne7381eded427891e@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2006 08:45:01 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Vincent Untz" In-Reply-To: <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606060947k7ebe42f9ua8ac7f49d37ac4f@mail.gmail.com> <59965.129.88.38.77.1149671267.squirrel@vuntz.net> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.574 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.026, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.574 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Gnome Release Team , Carlos Garnacho Subject: Re: New dependency? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 07 Jun 2006 14:45:05 -0000 On 6/7/06, Vincent Untz wrote: > On Tue, June 6, 2006 18:47, Elijah Newren wrote: > > Hi, > > > > It looks like system-tools-backends now has a hard dependency on > > Net::DBus (perl bindings to dbus). I don't recall seeing this > > discussed anywhere (my apologies if I missed it), and I'm not sure > > that the community would be accepting of it as a dependency for the > > Gnome desktop (I'm not saying it wouldn't be, just that I'm not sure > > it would be). Granted, system-tools-backends is classified as an > > external module, but gnome-system-tools depends on it. We'll need to > > get this resolved somehow; either making it a soft dependency or > > getting community consensus to accept it (and possibly thus blessing > > perl bindings in general). Suggestions? > > > > Thanks for all your hard work on GNOME system tools. :) > > I think we'll reach consensus that it's okay to use it: aren't we in > love with dbus now? ;-) Also, I'm a bit reluctant on imposing Yes, but we (as a community) have not shown a love for any-and-all-bindings as dependencies, which I thought would be the sticking point. It took quite some discussion over the years to get the python dependency accepted. It may well turn out to be okayed by the community, but we'd have to find out. :) There's probably a limit to what we can impose on external dependencies, sure, but I think accepting everything would likely cause problems too (after all, that's the whole reason we need consensus on new dependencies for internal projects; also - libsexy anyone?). Considering that it was hard to get g-s-t into the release set, I wanted to avoid any big ruckus when others discovered the dependency (assuming they haven't already). Anyway, just my thoughts... 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At Thu Jun 8 04:19:07 2006 the scanner said: McAfee: file.zip Found the W32/Mydoom.o@MM!zip virus !!! --=20 Postmaster Health Science Center Library MailScanner thanks transtec Computers for their support ------=_NextPart_000_0009_341D76A8.904FA016-- --61240337E5.1149754748/frodo.hscl.ufl.edu-- From rosechr@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 08:54:46 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B695D3B0095 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09566-07 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 324473B00EC for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:54:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id o2so1923150uge for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:53:58 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:sender:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references:x-google-sender-auth; b=Tzq+4gBw+Xj4njDF3MjNIa5vEWUtKRJAuaH8V7XQEkOl0er4eGqWy3fxYWbk/ezWgE59In28sH9lv2/A/3TCZQE2yseHU76ifbj9YwF83hpneVx4KAb4D+mlCWiiI2L8opfRPvFaAxcM/Hd+qqxMqyHEuWr6O196WliWS9bkWBM= Received: by 10.78.56.19 with SMTP id e19mr182606hua; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.78.23.12 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 05:26:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 14:26:23 +0200 From: "Christian Rose" Sender: rosechr@gmail.com To: "Josep Puigdemont" , "David Bolter" , "Bill Haneman" In-Reply-To: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> X-Google-Sender-Auth: adbd299d506bcd6c X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.649 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.607, BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.558, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -1.649 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list , Gnome Release Team Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 12:54:46 -0000 On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > Hi, > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > /Josep It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. Assuming that the gnome-2-14 branch of gok is the latest stable branch, I have updated the GNOME translation status pages to use that branch now. Christian From newren@gmail.com Sun Jun 11 11:10:41 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 582233B00B0 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 15751-04 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.205]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F06B3B00B1 for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 11:10:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so871253wxd for ; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:09:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lnLmB2NEE7eBDCyiM6NeqMmX0e6tAVB9t43CRsxt53YZCdFhZlDp0Y8R2goP6UK+e7HNYdl/mkdBEkYfHhPyksLxlnndxomKSyzIMP+E2gXVzlEehN9pOLGBwUx2UQWA6UMoySMbEJTC9ubvoyA+01V6ktnk+R2VLHe92aZdlGY= Received: by 10.70.73.13 with SMTP id v13mr5552389wxa; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.89.16 with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jun 2006 07:59:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 08:59:33 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Christian Rose" In-Reply-To: <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.579 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.579 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, David Bolter , Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2006 15:10:41 -0000 On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: > On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: > > Hi, > > > > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while > > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] > > branched for GNOME 2.14? > > > > /Josep > > It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a > "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it > seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other > of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. > > Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new > stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner > . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) > will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. From david.bolter@utoronto.ca Mon Jun 12 10:04:34 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75F03B008A; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:33 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 05037-06; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:30 -0400 (EDT) Received: from bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca (bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca [128.100.132.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3999D3B0083; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:04:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from otter.atrc.utoronto.ca ([142.150.154.224] EHLO [142.150.154.224] ident: IDENT-NOT-QUERIED [port 49073]) by bureau8.utcc.utoronto.ca with ESMTP id <25702-24778>; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:42 -0400 Message-ID: <448D73F4.8010801@utoronto.ca> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 10:02:28 -0400 From: David Bolter User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060516) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Elijah Newren References: <1150012270.2805.4.camel@deimos.baldrick.mine.nu> <97da516f0606110526h441bde09k8f554596b0505cc0@mail.gmail.com> <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606110759q60261c80h9dea2685211b9167@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.567 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.032, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -2.567 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, Gnome Release Team , Bill Haneman , Christian Rose , Josep Puigdemont , gnome-doc-list Subject: Re: GOK branched? X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 14:04:34 -0000 Elijah Newren wrote: > On 6/11/06, Christian Rose wrote: >> On 6/11/06, Josep Puigdemont wrote: >> > Hi, >> > >> > The statistics page for G214 still shows branch HEAD for GOK, while >> > branch gnome-2-14 seems to exist. Could it be that GOK has [silently?] >> > branched for GNOME 2.14? >> > >> > /Josep >> >> It certainly looks like it. It seems there actually exists a >> "gnome-2-14" branch of gok, but, digging through my mail archive, it >> seems this branch was never announced to translators nor to any other >> of the mailing lists I happen to subscribe to. >> >> Gok maintainers, please remember to *announce* when you create a new >> stable branch, as described on http://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner >> . Otherwise, many other contributors (translators, docs people, etc) >> will spend a lot of their time working on the wrong branch. > > This looks like one I should have caught. David was asking us to > learn correct procedure and we apparently forgot to mention this (see > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-May/msg00025.html and > the other emails in that thread). Sorry about that. My apologies. I should have read MaintainersCorner more carefully. David From mclasen@redhat.com Mon Jun 12 22:40:47 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 519453B0010 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:47 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07405-10 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:46 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C29E73B0009 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:40:45 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYIi030916 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5D2FYrG017811 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.145] (vpn83-145.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.145]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5D2FYNi002791 for ; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:15:34 -0400 From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:17:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1150165041.4081.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.541 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.060, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.541 X-Spam-Level: Subject: GTK+ release is a bit late X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 02:40:47 -0000 I thought I should maybe let you know that I am working on a GTK+ release now, but I won't quite make the deadline for 2.15.3 Matthias From gnome@nextreality.net Mon Jun 12 23:35:51 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088263B0009; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08673-05; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:50 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E478D3B0010; Mon, 12 Jun 2006 23:35:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 5FE5E35904; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id C501C35901; Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:34:23 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 21:34:30 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.2 (X11/20060522) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list , GNOME Documentation , gnome-i18n@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500001, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: Subject: bug buddy branched X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.5 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2006 03:35:51 -0000 Bug buddy has been branched. gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From newren@gmail.com Thu Jun 15 19:11:53 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FA23B00F8 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04983-06 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.200]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EB33B01A1 for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 19:11:51 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so361458wxd for ; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.40.11 with SMTP id n11mr3046330wxn; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.102.9 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:11:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:11:51 -0600 From: "Elijah Newren" To: "Joseph E. Sacco" , guenther , "John (J5) Palmieri" , "Gnome Release Team" Subject: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.458 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.089, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.458 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2006 23:11:53 -0000 Hi, I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? comments? gossip? -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi everyone, This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we just fix the modules??"). There have also been multiple cases where we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already have patches...). Problems which don't have patches: ----------------------------------- evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work with older mozilla. We don't want to depend on both gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it optional here: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build breakage in other apps like bug-buddy Problems with patches: ----------------------------------- gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) Problems in non-release-set modules: ----------------------------------- rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x From luis.villa@gmail.com Fri Jun 16 13:08:40 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6ACB03B00B8 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:40 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 07120-07 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com (wx-out-0102.google.com [66.249.82.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D4BA3B014E for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:39 -0400 (EDT) Received: by wx-out-0102.google.com with SMTP id i30so506816wxd for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.23.17 with SMTP id 17mr4267893wxw; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.19 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 10:08:09 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2cb10c440606161008q304814d3m138fe8151ee7d003@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:08:09 -0400 From: "Luis Villa" To: "Elijah Newren" Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.484 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.115, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_PASS=-0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_TK=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.484 X-Spam-Level: Cc: "Joseph E. Sacco" , Gnome Release Team , guenther X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:08:40 -0000 On 6/15/06, Elijah Newren wrote: > Hi everyone, > > This is just a quick email to ask for help in improving the > dogfoodability of our tarballs and CVS. See the lists below my > verbose explanation if you want to jump to the details. :) > > Currently, buildability from either tarballs or CVS is pretty poor; I > wouldn't consider either in a dogfoodable state. Most of it is just > small things that are easily fixed, but it really adds up. We have > felt forced to include a growing number of build-fix patches with each > 2.15.x release so far, which seems rather suboptimal ("why can't we > just fix the modules??"). I'd note that I think the r-t's position should be to refuse to release such tarballs, and consider refusing to release the whole release until they are all fixed. The email should stress that time-based releases only work if the code is dogfoodable all the time. > There have also been multiple cases where > we have had to revert modules to older versions. It's worth noting > that not all is bad -- a quick search shows that there are over two > dozen build bugs that have been fixed in the last week and that's only > counting the ones that I filed. So people are definitely working hard > on this. We'd just like to ask for some extra help where possible to > clean up the remainder of the issues (in fact, a bunch of them already > have patches...). I'd suggest requesting a volunteer to scream at d-d-l every time tinderbox breaks. IMHO, publicly shaming those who break the build is the only way you're going to achieve regular buildability- bugzilla is insufficient. Otherwise, the email looks fine. Luis > > Problems which don't have patches: > ----------------------------------- > evolution-data-server 324546 e-d-s doesn't work with mozilla 1.8 or > firefox 1.5; epiphany & yelp don't work > with older > mozilla. We don't want to depend on both > gnome-system-tools N/A requires system-tools-backends which require > perl bindings to DBus; Carlos said he'd make it > optional here: > http://mail.gnome.org/archives/release-team/2006-June/msg00007.html > evolution-data-server 344790 won't find mozilla libraries, causes build > breakage in other apps like bug-buddy > > > Problems with patches: > ----------------------------------- > gtkmm 344788 (and 344787, 344786, 344771) - all simple issues > orbitcpp 344714 "const" issues > gnopernicus 344695 can't find gdkx.h > gnome-vfs 344349 checks for selinux aren't robust > gnome-mag 344295 checked-in file automatically generated/modified > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > pygtk 344845 (probably fixed now by pygtk-2.15.2) > deskbar-applet 345011 type -> crash (lone non-build issue in this list) > > > Problems in non-release-set modules: > ----------------------------------- > rhythmbox 343718 partially fixed, but fix has new problems > rhythmbox 345036 last released tarball won't build under 2.15.x > _______________________________________________ > release-team mailing list > release-team@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/release-team > From jdub@waugh.id.au Fri Jun 16 13:40:35 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 835163B0253 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:35 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08609-08 for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from node.waugh.id.au (node.waugh.id.au [70.85.31.216]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 435153B03BE for ; Fri, 16 Jun 2006 13:40:32 -0400 (EDT) Received: from home.waugh.id.au (ppp121-112.static.internode.on.net [150.101.121.112]) (using TLSv1 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by node.waugh.id.au (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3FDC3C752 for ; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:47 +1000 (EST) Received: by home.waugh.id.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 07049200E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 (EST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 03:39:38 +1000 From: Jeff Waugh To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Draft of dogfoodability issues to mention on d-d-l Message-ID: <20060616173937.GO17421@waugh.id.au> Mail-Followup-To: release-team@gnome.org References: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606151611t7a1d1fcco276d2a97543c1540@mail.gmail.com> Reply-By: Tue Jun 20 03:37:45 EST 2006 X-Operating-System: Linux 2.6.15-23-686 i686 X-Message-Flag: Cranky? Try Free Software instead! X-Uptime: 03:37:45 up 15 days, 3:29, 8 users, load average: 0.16, 0.06, 0.01 User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.11 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.015, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2006 17:40:35 -0000 > I'd like to send this to you guys for review in case I missed any issues > that should be mentioned. (Like maybe the repeated brokenness of mail on > the gnome.org machines and the sysadmins getting the shaft from someone at > RH preventing them from fixing the issues properly?) So...thoughts? > comments? gossip? Sorry to say, but this was human error on the sysadmins part. I've spent some time fixing it tonight (thus this email coming through). Lack of OS upgrades is certainly a problem, but don't let anyone on the sysadmin team blame Red Hat for things they are not responsible for. (Short grump about lack of professionalism/skill/time in administration of GNOME machines.) - Jeff -- linux.conf.au 2007: Sydney, Australia http://lca2007.linux.org.au/ "It's weird being without white noise." - Catie Flick From mclasen@redhat.com Wed Jun 14 09:02:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F160C3B01A7; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 08509-03; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:13 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mx1.redhat.com (mx1.redhat.com [66.187.233.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA8883B0165; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:02:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (int-mx1.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.254]) by mx1.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CqV005036; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (lacrosse.corp.redhat.com [172.16.52.154]) by int-mx1.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.12.11) with ESMTP id k5ED1CQG009825; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:12 -0400 Received: from [172.16.83.98] (dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com [172.16.83.98]) by lacrosse.corp.redhat.com (8.12.11.20060308/8.11.6) with ESMTP id k5ED1BMh032298; Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:01:11 -0400 Subject: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Matthias Clasen To: release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Red Hat Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 09:03:01 -0400 Message-Id: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.2.1 (2.7.2.1-4) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.542 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.059, BAYES_00=-2.599, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] X-Spam-Score: -2.542 X-Spam-Level: Cc: evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:02:16 -0000 evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less From kmaraas@broadpark.no Sat Jun 17 07:06:28 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E1F83B08E6; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:28 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19926-01; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:25 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1smout1.broadpark.no (osl1smout1.broadpark.no [80.202.4.58]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D44523B08E4; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 07:06:24 -0400 (EDT) Received: from osl1sminn1.broadpark.no ([80.202.4.59]) by osl1smout1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J10005C30UK0280@osl1smout1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.4] ([84.48.67.251]) by osl1sminn1.broadpark.no (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.1 HotFix 0.05 (built Oct 21 2004)) with ESMTP id <0J1000MOP0UJA3A0@osl1sminn1.broadpark.no>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:20 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:54:21 +0200 From: Kjartan Maraas Subject: Re: po/LINGUAS disaster, going on In-reply-to: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> To: Matthias Clasen Message-id: <1150538061.2565.2.camel@rivendell> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.7.3 (2.7.3-2) Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.73 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.869, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Spam-Score: -1.73 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 11:06:28 -0000 ons, 14,.06.2006 kl. 09.03 -0400, skrev Matthias Clasen: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > I took the liberty to change the intltool requirement to 0.35.0 so this shouldn't happen again hopefully. Also fixed libgnome, libgnomeui, libgnomecanvas, libbonobo and libbonoboui. Cheers Kjartan From davyd@bridgewayconsulting.com.au Sat Jun 17 12:36:13 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7D143B0165; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:12 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 27617-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au [203.56.14.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 164FF3B0083; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 12:36:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: by oracle.bridgewayconsulting.com.au (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A7FE22E8004; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 (WST) Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:25:51 +0800 From: Davyd Madeley To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs Message-ID: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.263 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-2.742, BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_PAST_06_12=0.827, RCVD_IN_WHOIS_BOGONS=2.43, UNIQUE_WORDS=2.347] X-Spam-Score: 0.263 X-Spam-Level: Cc: desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:36:13 -0000 On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the new libxklavier). --d -- Davyd Madeley http://www.davyd.id.au/ 08B0 341A 0B9B 08BB 2118 C060 2EDD BB4F 5191 6CDA From joseph_sacco@comcast.net Sat Jun 17 15:14:57 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7B47B3B00FD; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:57 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 04221-08; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from rwcrmhc12.comcast.net (rwcrmhc12.comcast.net [216.148.227.152]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2F663B010F; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:56 -0400 (EDT) Received: from plantain.jesacco.com (c-24-218-44-63.hsd1.ma.comcast.net[24.218.44.63]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc12) with SMTP id <20060617191412m1200a7tike>; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:13 +0000 Subject: Re: Buildability of tarballs and cvs From: "Joseph E. Sacco, Ph.D." To: Davyd Madeley In-Reply-To: <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> References: <51419b2c0606161626l2acd132bp37958ea86bcac4a0@mail.gmail.com> <20060617102551.GA14148@bridgewayconsulting.com.au> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 15:14:11 -0400 Message-Id: <1150571651.7998.6.camel@plantain.jesacco.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.2 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.654 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.345, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_POST=1.708, DNS_FROM_RFC_WHOIS=1.447, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -0.654 X-Spam-Level: Cc: release-team@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 19:14:57 -0000 The only people who do do not make mistakes are dead. We do appreciate your contributions to open source. Onwards, -Joseph ============================================================================ On Sat, 2006-06-17 at 18:25 +0800, Davyd Madeley wrote: > On Fri, Jun 16, 2006 at 05:26:36PM -0600, Elijah Newren wrote: > > > gnome-applets 344995 last tarball (2.14.2) doesn't build with 2.15.x > > I suck. I think CVS builds though (it should have support for the > new libxklavier). > > --d > -- joseph_sacco [at] comcast [dot] net From gnome@nextreality.net Sat Jun 17 18:35:20 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABD3C3B0485; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:20 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 13210-09; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:17 -0400 (EDT) Received: from brentsmith.name (unknown [64.62.195.122]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A40DF3B0321; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 18:35:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: by brentsmith.name (Postfix, from userid 5001) id 361E035904; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.101] (c-67-176-37-213.hsd1.co.comcast.net [67.176.37.213]) by brentsmith.name (Postfix) with ESMTP id A4C8335901; Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:34:19 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <44948375.80400@nextreality.net> Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 16:34:29 -0600 From: Brent Smith User-Agent: Thunderbird 1.5.0.4 (X11/20060615) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: release-team@gnome.org Subject: Re: bug buddy branched References: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> In-Reply-To: <448E3246.5090903@nextreality.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Bogosity: Unsure, tests=bogofilter, spamicity=0.500000, version=0.94.4 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.539 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.017, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_LR=0.077] X-Spam-Score: -2.539 X-Spam-Level: Cc: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, GNOME Documentation , desktop-devel-list X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2006 22:35:21 -0000 This never made it to my mailbox, so I am resending. Brent Smith wrote: > Bug buddy has been branched. > > gnome-2-14 branch is for the stable release > HEAD has merged bug-buddy-xmlrpc branch and is where all new development > will take place. -- Brent Smith IRC: smitten From benoit@placenet.org Sun Jun 18 16:21:23 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 381A33B000A; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 09725-01; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from ibook.free.fr (benoit.placenet.org [82.241.234.16]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C81BA3B0071; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 16:21:18 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by ibook.free.fr (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6B6458DF; Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:52 +0200 (CEST) Subject: gnome-system-monitor has been branched From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Beno=EEt?= Dejean To: gnome-i18n@gnome.org, gnome-doc-list@gnome.org, desktop-devel-list@gnome.org, release-team@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1" Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 21:16:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1150658211.603.6.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.443 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.021, BAYES_00=-2.599, FORGED_RCVD_HELO=0.135] X-Spam-Score: -2.443 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 18 Jun 2006 20:21:23 -0000 --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The stable branch is gnome-2-14 and the development branch is HEAD. --=20 Beno=C3=AEt Dejean JID: TazForEver@jabber.org GNOME http://www.gnomefr.org/ LibGTop http://directory.fsf.org/libgtop.html --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Ceci est une partie de message =?ISO-8859-1?Q?num=E9riquement?= =?ISO-8859-1?Q?_sign=E9e?= -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.3 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBElaajliyxJIUSPQoRAtcDAJ9JZw+cTZKTWNXZBBYFCtnpm/kJuQCeO14Y Kl72P/ZsSyMPW7l+8680xm8= =ubQu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-gmAoGnQvGyVDezvSSLq1-- From kharish@novell.com Mon Jun 19 23:50:16 2006 Return-Path: X-Original-To: release-team@gnome.org Delivered-To: release-team@gnome.org Received: from localhost (unknown [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BB23B0EC0; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:16 -0400 (EDT) Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 21056-10; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from victor.provo.novell.com (victor.provo.novell.com [137.65.250.26]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EC673B0EBC; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 23:50:15 -0400 (EDT) Received: from sunshine.blr.novell.com (prv-dmz-foundry1.gns.novell.com [::ffff:137.65.251.211]) by victor.provo.novell.com with ESMTP; Mon, 19 Jun 2006 21:49:18 -0600 Subject: Re: [Evolution-hackers] po/LINGUAS disaster, going on From: Harish Krishnaswamy To: Matthias Clasen , release-team@gnome.org, evolution-hackers@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> References: <1150290181.3304.0.camel@dhcp83-98.boston.redhat.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:22:37 +0530 Message-Id: <1150775557.5777.2.camel@sunshine> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.6.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.046, BAYES_00=-2.599, DNS_FROM_RFC_ABUSE=0.2] X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-BeenThere: release-team@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.8 Precedence: list List-Id: GNOME Release Team discussions and coordination List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 03:50:16 -0000 My comments updated on http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=337996 -Harish On Wed, 2006-06-14 at 09:03 -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote: > evolution-exchange-2.7.3 is translation-less > > > _______________________________________________ > Evolution-hackers mailing list > Evolution-hackers@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/evolution-hackers