From brandonkeithbiggs@gmail.com Wed Jul 1 04:52:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8883D76A71 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 04:52:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xfSxGdMwPY8o for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 04:52:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f47.google.com (mail-wg0-f47.google.com [74.125.82.47]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 038F5768BF for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 04:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wguu7 with SMTP id u7so25965572wgu.3 for ; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:51:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type; bh=X9lQfPcGkb0+68YjdN7Qpo1I/+92Tc/bTS8aOSf0Z/A=; b=MO8A+7Eh8/Rl/ww1yxgs776Ee0Jh0H+/a2kAswQv4tx7hBDiyUp8iqZ35jFUBTLo9x nTNFyVoDTS06Y2RY4/G0nBAWMqyFe7hooyvtFtxSLuzrHQPHBnJMztHUDQKLBFx0fUMO tUFsdk+oizn4i0KBsfxlDxa2uZ7NziCVQ4o36rflLt1hTNTSlQFTKpz+D2m60bnXfaHY 2iP1XGQW1U86CJNqxZ3rWxdjnL5yAmiOs1lAL+nXEl1Zg4a/SO+gxCJV1XlQnpr6GEW1 WS/sKl0Yb+SSgHJir5d4bpfFcd6Ze11H/81nhKSg1wcpIO0O0m4NsuVmR1fp4RABHJcH mqxQ== X-Received: by 10.180.73.236 with SMTP id o12mr40617300wiv.56.1435726312014; Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.35] (host27-164-static.243-95-b.business.telecomitalia.it. [95.243.164.27]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id sc16sm922282wjb.28.2015.06.30.21.51.50 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 30 Jun 2015 21:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559371E5.80800@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 06:51:49 +0200 From: Brandon Keith Biggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: 'orca-list' Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------090709050305020807090205" Subject: [orca-list] Vinux vs latest Ubuntu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 04:52:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------090709050305020807090205 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello, What is the difference between Vinux and the latest Ubuntu other than one has all the apps installed and the other doesn't? Is it possible for me to upgrade from Vinux to the latest Ubuntu and keep all the apps? What other advantages does Vinux have other than the installed programs? thanks, -- Brandon Keith Biggs --------------090709050305020807090205 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello,
What is the difference between Vinux and the latest Ubuntu other than one has all the apps installed and the other doesn't? Is it possible for me to upgrade from Vinux to the latest Ubuntu and keep all the apps?
What other advantages does Vinux have other than the installed programs?
thanks,

--
Brandon Keith Biggs
--------------090709050305020807090205-- From mhysnm1964@gmail.com Wed Jul 1 10:18:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A238D76A7F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:18:13 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6rv3xFZ4MMKt for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:18:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f179.google.com (mail-pd0-f179.google.com [209.85.192.179]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D64576A71 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 10:18:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbep18 with SMTP id ep18so23496993pdb.1 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 03:17:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=content-type:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date:cc :message-id:references:to; bh=fAGPHW5KlwujJD4RUIV3YubbqhZQ4FJY5q711BmLcyw=; b=OZgvUN7e/DtYv7xWzCNHxAUqXi7MOrjQ8/VYp5y5l4VJc5Sz4ATicYSa4c6cEzCZRF wETUGXoCpsbVVZPAnODCvRm8S2zdRCBdz5NU7s2+DpwSnro1pA4xmB8lq4MDoLi4FlZL dmHtH7SI6HyT6Co2vPLwnNRgLFvCWyFBB2fJCpoXwoB1qAHFKxQTELABxx89skU6INAE 0hpyVFDxgUUG8M+F/GpSvAjldCl3n1MGrq90h/BzdiaLWxSLh3TnTOqXp9We4Bd2nuyf ljg5YmDvVBwyMKw01Zovegn/32URWabZdKUVMHWDTUfeL2JNjYuM+JaAJFqkJ80ADhKE uG8A== X-Received: by 10.68.108.65 with SMTP id hi1mr52888077pbb.129.1435745878718; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 03:17:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from seanmmur-m-m00n.murphy.local (CPE-121-211-93-60.hhui5.cht.bigpond.net.au. [121.211.93.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xo3sm1728286pbb.74.2015.07.01.03.17.55 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 03:17:57 -0700 (PDT) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_B47FAF66-F437-4A8F-9C4C-9FB4306F3A81" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 8.2 \(2098\)) From: Sean Murphy In-Reply-To: <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:17:07 +1000 Message-Id: References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> To: Josh K X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.2098) Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:18:13 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_B47FAF66-F437-4A8F-9C4C-9FB4306F3A81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Hi all, below is the link for the windows VI games that do include chess plus = others. I am aware this is for Linux, but you can use the Linux windows = libraries to use them. As long as they support MSapi speech, you will be = fine. Website: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm web url detected The programs are free. Sean=20 > On 1 Jul 2015, at 7:46 am, Josh K wrote: >=20 > yes, the fact is sighted computer users like graphical interfaces, so = the more we can use the better. >=20 > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > On 6/30/2015 3:56 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Yeah, playing against the computer all the time gets pretty boring = and sighted people won=92t use a cli chess game when there are GUI ones = around so, we need an accessible one unless we only want to play against = other blind people and the handful of sighted folks not daunted by a = command line these days.=20 >> =20 >> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org = ] On Behalf Of Sean Murphy >> Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:35 AM >> To: Janina Sajka >> Cc: Orca List >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? >> =20 >> Lol, so they can play remotely with someone. >> =20 >> I just find it easier using the GUI versions under Windows and Mac = then using Gnu chess on the command line. The GuI you can get away with = not using a board at the same time. >> =20 >> Sean=20 >> On 30 Jun 2015, at 3:40 pm, Janina Sajka > wrote: >> =20 >> Sean Murphy writes: >>=20 >> GNU chess used to be accessible. >>=20 >>=20 >> It still is on the command line. Use it with Speakup or Brltty. >>=20 >> I have no idea of a accessible gui chess application, but I also = don't >> understand why a blind user would insist on a gui shess app. >>=20 >> Note there is an app called gnome-chess, which is not the same as gnu >> chess. >>=20 >> Janina >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> I am aware of windows and Mac accessible Chess games.=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On 28 Jun 2015, at 5:21 pm, kk > wrote: >>=20 >> hello all, >> I remember some thread was on about accessible games. >> I wish to know if there is some thing accessible for chess? >> happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list = >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for = more information on Orca. >> The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html = >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions = >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org = >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp = >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list = >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for = more information on Orca. >> The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html = >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions = >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org = >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp = >>=20 >> --=20 >>=20 >> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.443.300.2200 >> = sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net >> Email: janina@rednote.net = >>=20 >> Linux Foundation Fellow >> Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup: http://a11y.org = >>=20 >> The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative = (WAI) >> Chair, Protocols & Formats http://www.w3.org/wai/pf = >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list = >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for = more information on Orca. >> The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html = >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions = >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org = >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp = >=20 --Apple-Mail=_B47FAF66-F437-4A8F-9C4C-9FB4306F3A81 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Hi all,

below is the link for the windows VI = games that do include chess plus others. I am aware this is for Linux, = but you can use the Linux windows libraries to use them. As long as they = support MSapi speech, you will be fine.

Website: www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm web url = detected

The programs are = free.

Sean 
On = 1 Jul 2015, at 7:46 am, Josh K <joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:

yes, the fact = is sighted computer users like graphical interfaces, so the more we can = use the better.

follow me on twitter =
@joshknnd1982
On 6/30/2015 3:56 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
Yeah, playing against the computer all the = time gets pretty boring and sighted people won=92t use a cli chess game = when there are GUI ones around so, we need an accessible one unless we = only want to play against other blind people and the handful of sighted = folks not daunted by a command line these days. 
 
From: orca-list = [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf = Of Sean Murphy
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:35 = AM
To: Janina Sajka
Cc: Orca= List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] any = accessible chess game?
 
Lol, so they can play remotely with = someone.
 
I just find it easier = using the GUI versions under Windows and Mac then using Gnu chess on the = command line. The GuI you can get away with not using a board at the = same time.
 
Sean 
On = 30 Jun 2015, at 3:40 pm, Janina Sajka <janina@rednote.net> = wrote:
 
Sean Murphy writes:

GNU chess used to be accessible.


It still is on the command = line. Use it with Speakup or Brltty.

I have = no idea of a accessible gui chess application, but I also don't
understand why a blind user would insist on a gui shess = app.

Note there is an app called = gnome-chess, which is not the same as gnu
chess.

Janina



I am aware of windows and Mac accessible =  Chess games. 




On 28 Jun 2015, at 5:21 pm, kk <krmane@gmail.com> = wrote:

hello all,
I remember = some thread was on about accessible games.
I wish to know = if there is some thing accessible for chess?
happy = hacking.
Krishnakant.
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on = Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2= .html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on = Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2= .html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

-- 

Janina Sajka,       Phone:   +1.443.300.2200
        &= nbsp;       =             &n= bsp;   =             &n= bsp;   sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net
        &= nbsp;       =             &n= bsp;   Email:    janina@rednote.net

Linux Foundation Fellow
Executive Chair, = Accessibility Workgroup:      http://a11y.org

The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility = Initiative (WAI)
Chair,     Protocols & = Formats        &= nbsp; http://www.w3.org/wai/pf
 


_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more =
information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-=
2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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= --Apple-Mail=_B47FAF66-F437-4A8F-9C4C-9FB4306F3A81-- From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Wed Jul 1 13:52:40 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 478E276AF2 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:52:40 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2MVFh2U10xSZ for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f180.google.com (mail-wi0-f180.google.com [209.85.212.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CFE676AE5 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 13:52:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wicgi11 with SMTP id gi11so46206594wic.0 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=gCWBikS9UkdvnQFPoQ4t5GyMpYWkj/pIECqK8fr8nAs=; b=i/OjjLdCmRdrpbDkjcOG/f3ZbCzerPssMyxOFW0fnvHeSRdw1NkJrgTWTn6mJ5B/Me bO+PZJiEwW+o9PrC74YjyJ4dkA1OIo2xiETkEnJNGRRwG0b6Izy0oIozyPZ6aqfNJYCI uyG7tdRC2DKModX9qmeqT8Y8plPj/UvRE3oxhXpHUKs8Bt/MSdtzzqV4Ah8x/d/6eagk p/p0TXopzQbQsc77wkde0afYfqtw5I79beBh09dlBLyJ+CsJGeCjn/VuJpTWDSOR3AKN rx7FG7M4e2wgTgMzfX5F4kIJTPmdZllygKR3FuVCw1cjcI3I0BX2giApGp9Vu4ErjbI+ iNsA== X-Received: by 10.194.60.81 with SMTP id f17mr48063152wjr.62.1435758746399; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 06:52:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([87.121.101.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gt10sm3566506wib.20.2015.07.01.06.52.24 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 06:52:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5593F098.5060007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:52:24 +0300 From: Zahari Yurukov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] When using "Show pointer location" setting from GNOME Tweak Tool, the currently focused window's title is read X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:52:40 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, When in GNOME Tweak tool -> Keyboard and Mouse I enable "Show location of pointer" and use the CTRL key, the title of the currently focused window is read by Orca. It appears that this function creates a temporary Window around the mouse cursor in order to show it's position, which results in moving the focus from and then back to the currently focused application. Is there a way for ignoring this, or a way for preventing this temporary window to get focus (which I suppose should be reported to the developers of this functionality)? Best wishes, Zahari . -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVk/CVAAoJELcU47hAtAnqXj0P/jojDOY0loOr/4t6PItaOBQ6 xsn94mQW8st72/YLWdtRnOAveDTQZPAK06WcGNaTa01XDRUST+59t8sCyz2+prUN C0eBDC1SqRIA6jBybKvT2im1PG0gb8Lbb8LUKzdUB8Uu1JuJPqA2756r9tQXrPDx HeRY1++apMd9G4QD88+uFk5VhAsSF6jk0bZOAey5rABOai7E423xAzxZeetHd97I PUvfFk5FH+xOD4frKOP2EdjM/gHqRNBsf/G92B/hyV6NHIsKfNlhU3N4YrANK2Sn heWvS0uxlnG93WWkKIqyffdMT5I+LpMiGGee+NZl2Mp2v0qKJdPuwwaevK4+pWuV Ru2p5xwO9Yh+wRr6FZ9uPzRakna2od1ZsKUzCK0Hy+vCWGQgMsnDaCBT8CoEpf5X u2b0ZPEHsTYxQ7goJJNj8fHbQX9bzTGlvmaSlqE+jcdGe9JyFyQZcsLi0iWZU5Mg bBHbxBhetLzIPb4FtKPlf/Ij8ejX7ovtM9Bk/dCELXqHti58Hk65DegtNDcPrGuj dEknBTGnMw3J/LYucWGAOzLYSroWdrmriPavdfH9RDi7nntxksfN4kd/Gv05YIa2 Iky73ue18ok8h1A3ASomGt3sXsrmBYX0VDroAmHIDpXZqi8aQhnNfOzjlD1q9v4H h5dn1AyNI4csZswcfPVo =X979 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From lsaiu@hypra.fr Wed Jul 1 14:23:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5392276A97; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:23:24 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b_W9efpWlM7Q; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:23:22 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra-mail.hypra.fr (62-210-38-35.rev.poneytelecom.eu [62.210.38.35]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C05D76A8D; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:23:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moore (std93-7-82-243-84-93.fbx.proxad.net [82.243.84.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hypra-mail.hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 114CBE0D38; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:23:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Luca Saiu To: Joanmarie Diggs Organization: Hypra References: <871tgu794z.fsf@hypra.fr> <55917997.9010007@igalia.com> User-Agent: Gnus (Ma Gnus v0.12), GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1, x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu X-Home-Page: http://ageinghacker.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 14DC 72EB 19F7 D2E6 C12E 113C BF33 9ABE 26C5 D286 X-GPG: 0x26C5D286 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAHSK9QiAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAABtQ TFRFAQQACQIAFQsHJxYPLiEZQCwhUzwrZkw2fmNLe/YH5AAAAAF0Uk5TAEDm2GYAAAABYktHRACI BR1IAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH3QUPESENHT2abgAAAgdJREFUOMulU8Fy mzAQ3dhOzpXs3o2Q70GI9OoayPToNkj2uTXCx0ynBo4dt3H02ZEAEWg600PfjFieHrta7S4AFnuz ki1A+giA38EVQs02aICpBJiUZuElfEZzsznbNlp1WpvnRO1+GnM1zxbWIIYofEMW0GPWBfttn5NL 0Zj00rgX+6Uxm1xZE1BujYe998Yg9BFxmNpYGJg1c3iDa63X/TnawBGWJ2Hy2BEiZPV8dkSWsujI FFFRVBtHGixb4iHCvACvpM3IbC9sAiHMYuSAISY9QfAPpNvX90/6AsOsXZ5wY8iTI1GtToUjqyjh d+6qhItqd9tlTfO8rtukYUJVea+jjvhFqY5hR4g8qdrvCOLyWC4cIVEczx1B5rJ46wgxrD3I3Htu uoAjW5DAkNhDmKdd2RJbHQ43X5rC2BXCYdMXh0HMBnVj3oD8B+6PWuV/27eT0M7bCEndCPpPn9md bpXn9ViIV1WeJbssPf0YC4yyh5B/eMrScByJUCHLfK9V8f12KEwJVQYHUevzcihMrFCVuTjqX3Qs EFlUh0zkxzMZnU1IZGOpovzqjwRTTi6EUFXurYaC7QomFqZndOzxCjrM1mtdPDsPmHCpuvsFTdP8 MCRNl/1MyFEknjRfIMJDbv/PTd/qpLM+MyUT2ejoTvHhmofBWwH78MDIYGj6NwLJYJiGLi/+3YGI guOyYAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Accept-Language: en, fr, it Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:19:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <55917997.9010007@igalia.com> (Joanmarie Diggs's message of "Mon, 29 Jun 2015 13:00:07 -0400") Message-ID: <87y4j03qqc.fsf@hypra.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org, gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] "[window title] inaccessible": where does it come from, and what does it mean? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:23:24 -0000 On 2015-06-29 at 13:00, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Therefore, if you > could file a bug against Orca and attach a full debug.out, I'll look > into it. Thanks! Thank you. And thanks for your response about Braille as well. The idea of looking at the Orca log helped me to understand a few things [1], and showed me that perhaps I'm not as so far from the solution. Yesterday I noticed a behavior I couldn't initially reproduce: sometimes the text contained in my AtkText component *did* appear in the brltty virtual terminal. After playing with the thing randomly for a while I understood that the text showed up when my window was already existing and focused at the moment Orca started up. Switching to the window later doesn't have the intended effect, nor does firing up my program with Orca already running. I'm not opening an Orca bug report (unless you want me to) as I don't really think this is a problem with Orca. However I uploaded a copy of the logs to my personal web site: http://ageinghacker.net/a11y-scratch/ This is what I did: * I started brltty with its X11 driver: $ nohup /sbin/brltty -b xw -x a2 -A auth=3Dnone,host=3D$DISPLAY &> /dev/n= ull & * I kept a terminal window always open, from which I started Orca (otherwise, starting it via ssh as I normally would, Orca got difficult to kill with SIGINT or even SIGTERM, thus truncating the log; that's not important now) like this: $ killall -KILL orca; rm ~/orca.log; sleep 3; echo START; ~/usr-orca/bin/= orca --disable=3Dbraille-monitor --enable=3Dbraille,speech --debug-file=3D/= home/luca/orca.log --debug --replace The delay gave me time to focus on another window before Orca starts. * I started the test program via ssh, either before or after Orca. * With the test program focused, I pushed once to read the current text. * I switched back to the terminal and killed Orca with SIGINT, so that it can save the log. I used my test program, and a simple GTK+ 3 program whose accessibility works fine: just one window containing just one label. My program is supposed to contain a root object named "the-root-object", itself containing a window named "the-window", partially implementing the AtkText interface (I'm now considering to use AtkObject.get_name instead, which should be simpler, but that's another story) and displaying the text "this-might-even-work-if-i-am-lucky". My test program emits ATK signals in a messy way; I only understood the correct way to use them last night [1]. The problem may indeed be that: there's probably some AT-SPI notification my program is not emitting when it should. However, for some reason, if Orca fires up with the program window already focused it can successfully read its text. never has the intended effect in my application. With a GTK+ application it works, but only if I start it *after* Orca; if I start the GTK+ program before Orca, the frame name is read correctly, but the label shows up as a blank line. works nicely if I switch back to the terminal and then to the GTK+ window again. This is nitpicking and probably already out of spec, but might be relevant with respect to my program as well, since right now I have to start it before Orca. (as another very minor point, brltty is clever enough to continue working after I kill Orca, correctly displaying a terminal line; but this does *not* work for other GTK+ programs such as my window-with-a-label test. This confused me in the beginning, but I'm completely sure that Orca has nothing to do with it. ps -A | grep orca showed nothing.) My current SDL/ATK test, also derived from the AT-SPI2-ATK testsuite, is very messy but I can publish that as well if you want; of course I won't ask you to fix it for me. Maybe my logs are already enough to see what the problem may be, to your expert eye. What I am missing? Shall I emit some ATK signals I'm currently forgetting at some point? Thank you very much for your help, and for your work. [1] http://osdir.com/ml/debian-accessibility/2015-07/msg00000.html --=20 Luca Saiu HYPRA -- Progressons ensemble=C2=A0: http://hypra.fr From jdiggs@igalia.com Wed Jul 1 14:31:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2945C76A8B for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:31:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kr93AHSACgbG for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:31:35 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8515176A71 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 14:31:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([98.217.239.60] helo=[192.168.35.104]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1ZAJ2o-0000Yg-Sh; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 16:31:23 +0200 Message-ID: <5593F9AF.7020304@igalia.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 10:31:11 -0400 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Zahari Yurukov References: <5593F098.5060007@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5593F098.5060007@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] When using "Show pointer location" setting from GNOME Tweak Tool, the currently focused window's title is read X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 14:31:37 -0000 Hi Zahari. I can confirm the behavior. The problem is that all Orca sees is that your current window gets deactivated and then reactivated; Orca doesn't know why. Even if I wanted to hack around this in Orca to ignore it as you suggest, I would need something definitive by which to identify this situation. I don't have that. Orca would see something very similar (if not the same) if: 1. You were using a window manager in which the active window changes based on hovering the mouse over a different window. 2. You clicked with the mouse in an inaccessible window. 3. Your app crashed and your window manager did not give some other window focus. 4. Your app crashed and the resulting "tell the developers!" dialog was not accessible. And in those cases, I'm guessing you would not want Orca to ignore it. --joanie On 07/01/2015 09:52 AM, Zahari Yurukov wrote: > Hi, > When in GNOME Tweak tool -> Keyboard and Mouse I enable "Show location > of pointer" and use the CTRL key, the title of the currently focused > window is read by Orca. > It appears that this function creates a temporary Window around the > mouse cursor in order to show it's position, which results in moving > the focus from and then back to the currently focused application. > Is there a way for ignoring this, or a way for preventing this > temporary window to get focus (which I suppose should be reported to > the developers of this functionality)? > > Best wishes, > Zahari > . > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Wed Jul 1 15:07:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 154A876A8D for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:07:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QULEj-6AYQ35 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:07:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f174.google.com (mail-wi0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E46A576A71 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 15:06:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wiwl6 with SMTP id l6so168382553wiw.0 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=ohlUxyEkUXaQmawJbYlwh2LG26zt/oK54+3sob8JYm0=; b=sLD/kJoWXJRyHrlT7paRxVPXlkvl0dgnTVmgLmz9OlYPAb9k0OyI6HsAGGm3zQBE2+ Rs4TXsf5XXtN1Jq7VbA/7zGdZ61GbJUFtPMYTogfksgsPZP5FtP6Rdq6S9fXC2uBtewb dL8ZVg02vSyz0+4u0G5qdTuts82TLRX4hF7pl7lPSJI4eeAiBA5qbkwI2/vTeLUmuzTD MhwVrdlzNDlYT93IBo9bLnhV/uVRvvxQhfdLAtwAAFNtLOsSWk7PpC+/rfvuC+ea1Q37 dRi2z513h0XTUTRordWd7+e6fWHaUDXu/lrfxiFohhW1lvZmyLYnnp76qFPxbL2CK74G G+7g== X-Received: by 10.194.246.105 with SMTP id xv9mr50256753wjc.135.1435763209732; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([87.121.101.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id di9sm22512301wib.16.2015.07.01.08.06.48 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 08:06:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55940207.90209@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 18:06:47 +0300 From: Zahari Yurukov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] One should be able to use both CapsLock, Insert and KP_Insert as Orca modifiers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 15:07:03 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, i think it is important for the user to be able to use all three keys as Orca modifiers, cause this will enable executing of most commands using only one hand. Now, if Insert and/or KP_Insert are set as Orca modifiers, this leaves the left side of the keyboard out of reach, and vise-versa - if CapsLock is set as Orca modifier, this leaves the right side of the keyboard out of reach. This is similar to the reason behind that we have two pears of the standard modifiers - Control, Meta, Super, Shift etc. I suggest transforming the combo box "Screen Reader Modifier Key(s):" in Orca Preferences -> Key Bindings into three checkboxes - for the three keys: Insert, KP_Insert and Caps_Lock. May be it's not bad idea to add a 4th possible key - NumLock, which could "replace" the Insert key in situations where there are problems with the Insert key, for example with some keyboards or enviroments. Best wishes, Zahari -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1 iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVlAIHAAoJELcU47hAtAnqG70QAKFaSrlk5rz8h7yCwiel3jCK q7qwOb96rljZGuqhYExoK8m2tpZaczfyaJmXABLgSurBB77BPnWslxpHQiUE5tu9 0FDeXGZTa2DHm6pH8jWQBiW93YSI0qsS8hZ8s5QNsBQmBgIyAEoOhh+0ZKXrFJn/ L4o8/T8BgSVjvSFv/boGEYzxqEoPOb+g3sXo4LtU5mqFwag7w0T/NOTOEeFQcgej bEMH4ktUJ5evEOvio6DKbLYDmfu7+7jy3+x4gKgnOYJLWiore574KjxvdmEnMa49 F0uUShbY/MDyOtCnkBx3DaOWB1ViHw6Xq3bvMoRc+3Z67NlDz4Y8Sn4+f/rm6o2R fmxmZIjM4up+U3BB1O9zX4iYzHA+zZTpcPoyjY21DQ0H9CJVZBUlviVGg7MOkL1J 2YsW/Cl8/Qvjp44qi1iEFWA/jAq42erp/aJvjcvg848HmavMIqulYzkXPtggfM2A ji55yj6Rd2O2+FV9oEklZEPLtCLE6es34Ht7SrD0u8gEaUVycgLo4G2XYDC0QwLK GHNRc7oMtYykTFenfMdfZuU2NNhkjhFpUZp3piwcvGWJip3FxXSqtzhAgJ+0l1N6 Oy9uNogeANez++tUOA6/4Gdw895lvA3hmwzS28f957oECOLkoEF57jm3gbsq7PwO 2yv1FyH4JLm5YI8VFJzK =tLiz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From zahari.yurukov@gmail.com Wed Jul 1 20:30:07 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905827693F for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:30:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dHMPfALeKugX for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:30:06 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wg0-f49.google.com (mail-wg0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E262076A71 for ; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 20:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wgjx7 with SMTP id x7so46214040wgj.2 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=YNdHQhAdJd19D/ZNIUWNGPe7ou1BXI8L2QDzNdmu5d8=; b=mMG9DPJNL8ptE+6IGt/cfVAnsZsB0YpUL/l6vW3sNYn5J2+7LDoky7UQIfP3gmv3Oh B3X5RhSaf9FSG9EW6A08bvc4yShoRXTN1NsqnJHovULKtmXy3FFKV3KeZ988QGou2bjG +cquPLF/5rUgMdexmJIlxN4eD/2cXh5+WxDchEEZXDLkFGc0tv3uhFznnUXB6QBiOIfi a14GmoxTDXAYMtHSL/4oHpRKMpktYBDGWNjiJ2kURkBPjZ6jBuk0GkI1zBUzhlYJ7Jmn bPj43ER+bdS5BjSpi/oVhp9P0jTKQ/nS9nIH4fLwWS6b5Bx8o8dq+FD/9gyaIWQsIliO 5HfA== X-Received: by 10.180.210.234 with SMTP id mx10mr9961802wic.42.1435782593523; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:29:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.105] ([87.121.101.209]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id dt1sm4697787wib.7.2015.07.01.13.29.51 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Wed, 01 Jul 2015 13:29:52 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55944DBE.4050809@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:29:50 +0300 From: Zahari Yurukov User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux i686; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5593212D.9090805@gmail.com> <559335A4.40000@gmail.com> <55933662.6050903@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <55933662.6050903@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Keyboard Input layout, CapsLock been passed through when it's Orca modifier, etc. (was orca and large ... well, anything) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 01 Jul 2015 20:30:07 -0000 Hi, In the region and language settings I only see two tabs: Language and Regional formats (I'm not sure it's called exactly that, cause my locale is Bulgarian) In the first there are: a list of languages which could be rearranged, Apply button, Ad/remove language button and a combo box called something like "Keyboard input system" with 3 options: ibuss, thai and none. And in the second there are: a combo box for choosing the language for dates, currencies, etc, and an Apply button. That's all. I feel something is not right here cause I remember that in the past there were additional settings here, like choosing the keys for changing the layout etc. Or may be it was removed in GNOME 3.16? >From the good side, I may be found a clue to my CapsLock been passed through Orca issue - it starts as soon as I change my keyboard layout for the first time after boot. So I reboot, use some Orca commands involving the Orca modifier (CapsLock) and everything is fine to this point, and as soon as i switch the keyboard layout - CapsLock is always passed through Orca, til the next reboot. BTW, when changing the keyboard layout with the keyboard hotkey, there is exactly the same issue like the one described with the "Show location of mouse pointer" setting enabled (from my other letter from today), though I don't know if it's for the same reason. The expected behaviour here is Orca reading the newly set keyboard layout. Instead it reads the application title. There is also one other issue here: when changing keyboard layouts, sometimes (most notably in terminal) Orca could not read neither the window nor echos the typed keys til I focus out and then back to the application. I'm using Orca from Master under Vinux 5 dayly and GNOME 3.16, and for the protocol: Firefox 38.0 and Thunderbird 31.7. It is the same with Orca 3.16.2, which comes from the Vinux repos. Best wishes, Zahari На 1.07.2015 в 03:37, kendell clark написа: > hi > I believe you can go into the region and language settings and turn > off taht setting. I think it's called "let each window have it's own > layout" or similar. I've seen the firefox getting stuck issue and I > have no idea what causes it. I've also experienced orca getting stuck > and freezing the application during say all, though instead of > thunderbird it happens in any application that uses webkit. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > Zahari Yurukov wrote: >> Hi, yes, I'm also experiancing this and I don't quite remember if >> it has been otherwise, may be in the old days of GNOME 2.x? There >> are also some moments when Orca hangs for a few seconds (or longer) >> and it doesn't have a perticular pattern so to be reproduced from >> the first time - one just need to use Orca full time and also to >> know what's happening under the hood. I'm also experiancing the >> newly introduced problems with Firefox where the cursor will stuck >> when in review mode. Unlike Peter though - this drives me crazy. >> Firefox also has been very sluggish for me lately on some >> JavaScript-rich pages. However, I wonder if that could be somewhat >> related to Firefox 38? I'm experiancing Orca freezes when using >> SayAll, til now mostly in thunderbird, but now also in Firefox. The >> cursor gets stuck when reading messages in Thunderbird for a very >> long time. > >> The state of CapsLock is switched regulary when the CapsLock is set >> as Orca modifier, which I don't think should happen. I first >> encountered this may be in Orca 3.12, though it may be result of an >> earlier change. > >> I possibly should post this as a separate message (and may be on a >> different list), but does someone knows how to turn off the >> automatic switching of keyboard layout in GNOME - I often end up >> typing cyrillic letters when I expect I'm typing latin letters do >> to keyboard layout been switched automatically. > >> Best wishes, Zahari > >> На 1.07.2015 в 02:07, kendell clark написа: >>> hi all The subject is a little vague, so I'll try to be brief. >>> I've brought this up before, so I'll not repeat myself, or try >>> not to. If any kind of container, a list, table, icon pane, etc >>> contains over a certain number of items, orca's performance >>> starts to suffer. The number seems to be somewhere around 200. >>> Below that, orca doesnt' lag at all. At or above that, orca's >>> performance worsens depending on how large the container is. A >>> good example is to open a folder in nautilus with over 200 items >>> in it, /usr/bin should do it. Another one is to go into the >>> region and language settings in gnome shell, click on the "add >>> input source" button, and search for english. There should be >>> around 500 results in there. Orca's performance lags, but is >>> usable. But if the number of items gets into the thousands, orca >>> starts to lag heavily and approaches an unusable level. Lol that >>> sounded way too scientific for me. I don't think this is an orca >>> problem, but not sure. It could be event flooding, or an at-spi >>> issue. I suspect at-spi, if only because it's container agnostic. >>> It doesn't matter whether it's a list, table, tree view, icon >>> pane ... you get the picture. I'm not complaining, just in a bit >>> ofa hurry today, lots of last minute things to do before the new >>> sonar release. Thanks Kendell clark >>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing >>> list orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The >>> manual is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> >>> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find >>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>> > > From dhairyashil.bhosale584@gmail.com Thu Jul 2 05:54:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 365BA76A4C; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 05:54:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.449 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.449 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DmifkgEwO0Jq; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 05:54:42 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f174.google.com (mail-ig0-f174.google.com [209.85.213.174]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28B1676999; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 05:54:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igblr2 with SMTP id lr2so112985780igb.0; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:54:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=55vax0xPt3uumLIaJPEWo8tQmfODJM57lwNsXnHlGlE=; b=yUxjJN7e0uatq6XG/6yMo4PRWS/i7hGsI2/Cxh02I699qchT4xHvbl3ZrC2Ehs6xXT IWL6YoMEeNNesDOpCT4ejRVj8lxOK97ncsxSeS78mtxSaoLasNq4Eyn9fA/aFf1WA+ab 4ssiOM0MMxP5TONAPVPXGZVnsjpdTdXIl2c6HzAlXR1Fr1AOdDnWPpaFa/M4Ol4FnjJW uJdBMgyseurNRvvkEq5EhtakN836+qD1G/9yefad7LpC0ThOFoFCSRb0uPoKKYnTB654 mFTOsPmGqq+8p9A/zhQ6xvhPj56smqpWw3SGNvCVaVeyWFg7oyXy8z5GXwuZW+zCgVqc hvQw== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.107.3.227 with SMTP id e96mr44242352ioi.50.1435816470054; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 22:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.32.73 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 22:54:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 11:24:30 +0530 Message-ID: From: Dhairyashil Bhosale To: "orca-list@gnome.org" , accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com, accessible@googlegroups.com, gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, accessibility@global.libreoffice.org, accessibility-atspi@lists.linux-foundation.org, dev@openoffice.apache.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a113f0c5aa90f6e0519de12b1 Subject: [orca-list] Heading wise navigation in Structural Navigation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 05:54:43 -0000 --001a113f0c5aa90f6e0519de12b1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Hi all, I am working on Heading wise navigation in LibreOffice. For that I made some changes in 'soffice/structural_navigation.py' in Orca Screen Reader's script, the changes are as follows: 1) added 'enabledTypes = StructuralNavigation.HEADING' in 'soffice/script.py' for enabling Heading wise navigation is SN(Structural Navigation) for LibreOffice. 2) added 'class MatchCriteria', in 'structural_navigation.py'. 3) added methods like: 'findNextObject()', 'findPrevByMatchRule()', 'findNextByMatchRule()', 'headingLevels()', 'headingCriteria()', 'headingPredicate()', 'headingPresentation()', 'getHeadingLevel()', 'getDocument()', etc. related to SN in libreoffice. But I found that when I press 'h' after enabling SN for libreoffice it will speak out that, 'messages.WRAPPING_TO_TOP', means it can't identify the heading in document. So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca screen reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understand the workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation for Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please reply. With Regards, Dhairyashil B. --001a113f0c5aa90f6e0519de12b1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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--001a113f0c5aa90f6e0519de12b1-- From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Jul 2 06:08:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEBD176A85 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:08:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aRCzK5ZWbHpr for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:08:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADB5E76A4C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([98.217.239.60] helo=[192.168.35.104]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1ZAXf4-0000vC-CI for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:07:50 +0200 Message-ID: <5594D52B.8030308@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 02:07:39 -0400 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Heading wise navigation in Structural Navigation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:08:03 -0000 On 07/02/2015 01:54 AM, Dhairyashil Bhosale wrote: > So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca screen > reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understand the > workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation for > Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please reply. https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91739#c6 Once they solve that problem, I'll add support for headings and other objects appropriate for LibreOffice into Orca. --joanie From jann.schneider@googlemail.com Thu Jul 2 06:27:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D24076A85 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OwpuNq2TymyX for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-vn0-f48.google.com (mail-vn0-f48.google.com [209.85.216.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A396176A4C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 06:27:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by vnbg129 with SMTP id g129so3403918vnb.11 for ; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; bh=q5Q65sawOjz4KhVATuzz1d9hxM4EN+U1rhSynJrlo7w=; b=ttwJAmuZ69sJAdjdMi0KqT7H6pCwEr72IIGoruIkC7FwthbQgTi09FwsdsRXJAWv01 LWY9Ir+SWCGl737UIwVvcZf4uFiCe/FQYAS2WtEhI8kZ2ZbfI6dPodruhHmYHEhefd6I FNfQnA0adiqJ6gyjg8b4WpFzcehFsfPsjBnRX6BxDR7YDQCeCnrWNSKh1KGCZ+nn9WNx X4c2skDUo8teTu1BfYCwkAlVZxFrf9FT7SSVrmuk2B4qDZK/y6SmC/A47IESM83SvKQA Rcwd8OzXZzgbrPiddUQggeRUEmtgiX1u4xdsTE23G8UEKit9PdnzOjjW9K0mvUFL6Wld Oj1Q== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.52.122.52 with SMTP id lp20mr29039191vdb.64.1435818419470; Wed, 01 Jul 2015 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.31.221.1 with HTTP; Wed, 1 Jul 2015 23:26:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2015 08:26:59 +0200 Message-ID: From: Jann Schneider To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Subject: [orca-list] JavaFX Accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 06:27:18 -0000 Hi All, as a Java developer i am always interessted in the new Java features for example JavaFX. Unfortunately there is currently no accessibility support for Linux in JFX. Even worse: they don't have any plan to implement it at Oracle! At least that's what i read in the OpenJfx forum. I've allready written a couple of mails to the oracle guis back in 2013 / 2014 before the Java8 release. First they wanted me to test it, then they stated Jfx accessibility for linux woun't make it into Java8 but into Java 9 and well, a couple of days ago i read "As for platform support, we currently support Windows and Mac platforms. We have no plan to make FX accessible on Linux ....". (in a discussion about Java9 features) Now i'm wondering what we can do to convince Oracle that we need accessibility support for Linux, too. Any Ideas? All the best! Jann From jdiggs@igalia.com Thu Jul 2 07:33:03 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 503FD76A85 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 07:33:03 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RqOYu6A9An1T for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 07:33:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1E9B76A4C for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 07:32:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from c-98-217-239-60.hsd1.nh.comcast.net ([98.217.239.60] helo=[192.168.35.104]) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtpsa (Cipher TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim) id 1ZAYzK-0001c5-5E for ; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 09:32:50 +0200 Message-ID: <5594E917.9090408@igalia.com> Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 03:32:39 -0400 From: Joanmarie Diggs User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Heads up: Just committed some support for speaking MathML content in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 07:33:03 -0000 Hey guys. I just flipped the proverbial switch to get Orca to start presenting MathML content as spoken math rather than rendered text. As stated in the commit message: * This is the very, very beginning of this support. It's far from done. * The current focus is on speaking MathML when navigating by line. This is so that we (communities, plural) can try to reach consensus on what screen readers should speak for various MathML expressions. * Other caret navigation may or may not work and/or work as expected. Some of this will need to be fixed in Orca; some in Gecko. Speaking of which: * This only works with Firefox currently. And you will need Firefox Nightly. Feedback is encouraged. Patience is mandatory. :) Orca 3.18 will rock. If you happen to be a user who consumes spoken Math, especially MathML, and are able to test Orca master, please do (keeping in mind the many disclaimers above ). Thanks! --joanie From lsaiu@hypra.fr Thu Jul 2 15:33:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FA69768B1; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:33:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sYJXpidUnikz; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:33:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra-mail.hypra.fr (62-210-38-35.rev.poneytelecom.eu [62.210.38.35]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D5CA762A7; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:32:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moore (std93-7-82-243-84-93.fbx.proxad.net [82.243.84.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hypra-mail.hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 168D8E0D30; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 15:32:55 +0000 (UTC) From: Luca Saiu To: Samuel Thibault Organization: Hypra References: <871tgu794z.fsf@hypra.fr> <20150701235705.GV3245@type.home> User-Agent: Gnus (Ma Gnus v0.12), GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1, x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu X-Home-Page: http://ageinghacker.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 14DC 72EB 19F7 D2E6 C12E 113C BF33 9ABE 26C5 D286 X-GPG: 0x26C5D286 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAHSK9QiAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAABtQ TFRFAQQACQIAFQsHJxYPLiEZQCwhUzwrZkw2fmNLe/YH5AAAAAF0Uk5TAEDm2GYAAAABYktHRACI BR1IAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH3QUPESENHT2abgAAAgdJREFUOMulU8Fy mzAQ3dhOzpXs3o2Q70GI9OoayPToNkj2uTXCx0ynBo4dt3H02ZEAEWg600PfjFieHrta7S4AFnuz ki1A+giA38EVQs02aICpBJiUZuElfEZzsznbNlp1WpvnRO1+GnM1zxbWIIYofEMW0GPWBfttn5NL 0Zj00rgX+6Uxm1xZE1BujYe998Yg9BFxmNpYGJg1c3iDa63X/TnawBGWJ2Hy2BEiZPV8dkSWsujI FFFRVBtHGixb4iHCvACvpM3IbC9sAiHMYuSAISY9QfAPpNvX90/6AsOsXZ5wY8iTI1GtToUjqyjh d+6qhItqd9tlTfO8rtukYUJVea+jjvhFqY5hR4g8qdrvCOLyWC4cIVEczx1B5rJ46wgxrD3I3Htu uoAjW5DAkNhDmKdd2RJbHQ43X5rC2BXCYdMXh0HMBnVj3oD8B+6PWuV/27eT0M7bCEndCPpPn9md bpXn9ViIV1WeJbssPf0YC4yyh5B/eMrScByJUCHLfK9V8f12KEwJVQYHUevzcihMrFCVuTjqX3Qs EFlUh0zkxzMZnU1IZGOpovzqjwRTTi6EUFXurYaC7QomFqZndOzxCjrM1mtdPDsPmHCpuvsFTdP8 MCRNl/1MyFEknjRfIMJDbv/PTd/qpLM+MyUT2ejoTvHhmofBWwH78MDIYGj6NwLJYJiGLi/+3YGI guOyYAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Accept-Language: en, fr, it Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:29:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <20150701235705.GV3245@type.home> (Samuel Thibault's message of "Thu, 2 Jul 2015 01:57:05 +0200") Message-ID: <874mlm4lyv.fsf@hypra.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org, gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org, orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] "[window title] inaccessible": where does it come from, and what does it mean? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 15:33:10 -0000 Hello Samuel. On 2015-07-02 at 01:57, Samuel Thibault wrote: > Just thinking: are you emitting the "focus:" or > "object:state-changed:focused" signal? This is needed for the screen > reader to know which accessible widget it should get the text from. Adding g_signal_emit_by_name (main_accessible, "state-change", "focused", 1); does indeed improve the situation a lot. There are still a few behaviors I don't understand, but now Orca can see my program state independently from when it starts. > https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/ATK/BestPractices/Scratch Thanks a lot! --=20 Luca Saiu HYPRA -- Progressons ensemble=C2=A0: http://hypra.fr From lsaiu@hypra.fr Thu Jul 2 16:34:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3A13768B1; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:34:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.918 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.918 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.982] autolearn=no Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OQbFQ1HES340; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:34:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from hypra-mail.hypra.fr (62-210-38-35.rev.poneytelecom.eu [62.210.38.35]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4548A762A7; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:34:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: from moore (std93-7-82-243-84-93.fbx.proxad.net [82.243.84.93]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by hypra-mail.hypra.fr (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B8BD8E0D30; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 16:34:11 +0000 (UTC) From: Luca Saiu To: orca-list , debian-accessibility@lists.debian.org, gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org Organization: Hypra User-Agent: Gnus (Ma Gnus v0.12), GNU Emacs 25.0.50.1, x86_64-unknown-linux-gnu X-Home-Page: http://ageinghacker.net X-GPG-FINGERPRINT: 14DC 72EB 19F7 D2E6 C12E 113C BF33 9ABE 26C5 D286 X-GPG: 0x26C5D286 Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAHSK9QiAAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAABtQ TFRFAQQACQIAFQsHJxYPLiEZQCwhUzwrZkw2fmNLe/YH5AAAAAF0Uk5TAEDm2GYAAAABYktHRACI BR1IAAAACXBIWXMAAAsTAAALEwEAmpwYAAAAB3RJTUUH3QUPESENHT2abgAAAgdJREFUOMulU8Fy mzAQ3dhOzpXs3o2Q70GI9OoayPToNkj2uTXCx0ynBo4dt3H02ZEAEWg600PfjFieHrta7S4AFnuz ki1A+giA38EVQs02aICpBJiUZuElfEZzsznbNlp1WpvnRO1+GnM1zxbWIIYofEMW0GPWBfttn5NL 0Zj00rgX+6Uxm1xZE1BujYe998Yg9BFxmNpYGJg1c3iDa63X/TnawBGWJ2Hy2BEiZPV8dkSWsujI FFFRVBtHGixb4iHCvACvpM3IbC9sAiHMYuSAISY9QfAPpNvX90/6AsOsXZ5wY8iTI1GtToUjqyjh d+6qhItqd9tlTfO8rtukYUJVea+jjvhFqY5hR4g8qdrvCOLyWC4cIVEczx1B5rJ46wgxrD3I3Htu uoAjW5DAkNhDmKdd2RJbHQ43X5rC2BXCYdMXh0HMBnVj3oD8B+6PWuV/27eT0M7bCEndCPpPn9md bpXn9ViIV1WeJbssPf0YC4yyh5B/eMrScByJUCHLfK9V8f12KEwJVQYHUevzcihMrFCVuTjqX3Qs EFlUh0zkxzMZnU1IZGOpovzqjwRTTi6EUFXurYaC7QomFqZndOzxCjrM1mtdPDsPmHCpuvsFTdP8 MCRNl/1MyFEknjRfIMJDbv/PTd/qpLM+MyUT2ejoTvHhmofBWwH78MDIYGj6NwLJYJiGLi/+3YGI guOyYAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== Accept-Language: en, fr, it Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:30:28 +0200 Message-ID: <87zj3e34kb.fsf@hypra.fr> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Supporting Orca keyboard commands without GTK+ or any other toolkit X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:34:25 -0000 Hello again. I noticed that the keybindings which are globally bound to Orca commands, such as "toggle flat review" (keypad -) or "read the current line" (keypad 8) are seen by my SDL/ATK program as ordinary keyboard events, which is clearly wrong. Of course I'm sure that even GTK+ has no specific knowledge about Orca keybindings. What am I missing? Is there a way for an application to notify the accessibility subsystem that an appropriate but unspecified set of keyboard (or mouse?) events is to be trapped? Thanks, --=20 Luca Saiu HYPRA -- Progressons ensemble=C2=A0: http://hypra.fr From vincenzo.rubano@studio.unibo.it Thu Jul 2 18:22:55 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C0076932 for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:22:55 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.902 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bJD6HFPaKz5a for ; Thu, 2 Jul 2015 18:22:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 932 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Thu, 02 Jul 2015 18:22:51 UTC Received: from 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Henry" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 03:19:07 -0000 Doesn't really matter, but I wonder if a pref for GUI over CLI aps is much stronger among sighted users compared with screenreader-using blinks. I am talking Linux and any xnix for that matter here. Just saying I run in to a lot of forum posts and general purpose how-tos that talk about CLI alternatives, and have seen quite a few blind folks asking specifically for GUI options over the years. I do suspect that indeed the GUI preference percentage is higher for sighted persons, but thought that the Knopix idea that a blind Linux novice would prefer CLI to GUI alternatives was incorrect. I really just go for what ever makes me more productive, but may come down on the CLI side in close calls because of never haviing had new/cutting edge hardware, just me though. I totally want to see as many choices as possible both CLI and GUI. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Sean Murphy wrote: Wed, Jul 01, 2015 at 08:17:07PM +1000 > Hi all, > below is the link for the windows VI games that do include chess plus > others. I am aware this is for Linux, but you can use the Linux windows > libraries to use them. As long as they support MSapi speech, you will be > fine. > Website: [1]www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm web url detected > The programs are free. > Sean  > > On 1 Jul 2015, at 7:46 am, Josh K <[2]joshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote: > yes, the fact is sighted computer users like graphical interfaces, so > the more we can use the better. > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > > On 6/30/2015 3:56 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > > Yeah, playing against the computer all the time gets pretty boring and > sighted people won�t use a cli chess game when there are GUI ones > around so, we need an accessible one unless we only want to play > against other blind people and the handful of sighted folks not > daunted by a command line these days.  >   > From: orca-list [[3]mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf > Of Sean Murphy > Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2015 1:35 AM > To: Janina Sajka > Cc: Orca List > Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? >   > Lol, so they can play remotely with someone. >   > I just find it easier using the GUI versions under Windows and Mac > then using Gnu chess on the command line. The GuI you can get away > with not using a board at the same time. >   > Sean  > > On 30 Jun 2015, at 3:40 pm, Janina Sajka <[4]janina@rednote.net> > wrote: >   > Sean Murphy writes: > > GNU chess used to be accessible. > > It still is on the command line. Use it with Speakup or Brltty. > > I have no idea of a accessible gui chess application, but I also > don't > understand why a blind user would insist on a gui shess app. > > Note there is an app called gnome-chess, which is not the same as > gnu > chess. > > Janina > > I am aware of windows and Mac accessible  Chess games.  > > On 28 Jun 2015, at 5:21 pm, kk <[5]krmane@gmail.com> wrote: > > hello all, > I remember some thread was on about accessible games. > I wish to know if there is some thing accessible for chess? > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > [6]orca-list@gnome.org > [7]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit [8]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is > at [9]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is > at [10]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at [11]http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at [12]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > [13]orca-list@gnome.org > [14]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit [15]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is > at [16]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is > at [17]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at [18]http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at [19]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > --  > > Janina Sajka,       Phone:   +1.443.300.2200 >                                 >                 [20]sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net >                                 Email:    [21]janina@rednote.net > > Linux Foundation Fellow > Executive Chair, Accessibility Workgroup:      [22]http://a11y.org > > The World Wide Web Consortium (W3C), Web Accessibility Initiative > (WAI) > Chair,     Protocols & Formats          [23]http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > >   > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > [24]orca-list@gnome.org > [25]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit [26]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at [27]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at [28]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at [29]http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at [30]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > References > > Visible links > 1. http://www.spoonbillsoftware.com.au/blindgamers.htm > 2. mailto:joshknnd1982@gmail.com > 3. mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org > 4. mailto:janina@rednote.net > 5. mailto:krmane@gmail.com > 6. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org > 7. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > 8. http://live.gnome.org/Orca > 9. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > 10. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > 11. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ > 12. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > 13. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org > 14. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > 15. http://live.gnome.org/Orca > 16. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > 17. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > 18. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ > 19. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > 20. file:///dev/sip:janina@asterisk.rednote.net > 21. mailto:janina@rednote.net > 22. http://a11y.org/ > 23. http://www.w3.org/wai/pf > 24. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org > 25. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > 26. http://live.gnome.org/Orca > 27. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > 28. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > 29. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/ > 30. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From nalin.x.linux@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 16:58:22 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7097C76ACF for ; 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b=RsEAun+TUiuMl2RxlqXvT7aRdfP5PXVCxDiEIURphjkKXGR5s17PdY/3FjSlXrxxD8 TofjFAQk9e9Eo+wTqMbk+Hhvou4DlyN0IDWHKizPVP4RLKI/Ukasryvzc6lo80q+cbdB 0VtjXhthL5ESh6NcMa8+/EaqMrxGQ1KuQBbtGn6ZihMRTmw17t7xo2Z2MjCDT3ZdcMi6 YCWcvavAhHb+MW/T1IW8zXCcd6W858v1PQGF+R0kv30flECkwbh2e8hX/2gH4+zPe2vX i5YsA5+B80LGF4OTicrsIn0EdWJcUS0Xqt+ddjaof63HZzhr1XZxRovLKxcVwqbp6anP FYzA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.169.210 with SMTP id s201mr34501635oie.71.1435942686255; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.222.66 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 09:58:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:28:06 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Nalin.x.Linux" To: "B. Henry" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Arun Persaud , "H.G. Muller" , Samuel Thibault , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:58:22 -0000 Dear friends, I just made the popular chess graphical front-end named XBoard accessible. We need an immediate testing. Currently it uses pico tts to announce various information. I just added KeyNavigation so that one can use arrow keys to select, press enter key to lock and use arrow keys and enter to finish move also one can use the direct notation using keyboard. The accessibility menu contains SayWhosTurn(Alt+Shift+m), ReadRow(Alt+r), ReadColumn(Alt+Shift+f), SayUpperDiagnols(Alt+u), SayLowerDiagnols(Alt+l), SayClockTime(Alt+t), SayAllBoard(Alt+p), SayWhitePieces(Alt+w),SayBlackPieces(Alt+b), SayKnightMoves(Alt+Shift+n), SayCurrentPos(Space or Alt+s), PossibleAttacked(Alt+d), PossibleAttackMove(Alt+Shift+m), SayMachineMove(Alt+x). Please run following commands in-order to test it. sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential libttspico-utils git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git git checkout gtk3 autoreconf --install ./configure --prefix=/usr make sudo make install From r.d.t.prater@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 19:38:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F1B176981 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:38:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.699 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.699 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 54GwPPe20YUZ for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:38:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f169.google.com (mail-qk0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27A617657A for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 19:38:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qkhu186 with SMTP id u186so78628051qkh.0 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:38:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=SVGZ8lNYWplscNwu22/JizmIgWdHo56MXQIIrGH4Tfc=; b=Ko4fGD5OEHHkzZHEJj49BuDJDRIqsCmM9tiuk5ZG+eP7qMZE8KYzfnNTKNPiyEOyHw tkjgXt0Bkz5Q2ym2T4sn9aEa2a5jDOKldCxC/KmM1VYQF6RV/GZCvtOIA0TiCN9xAEBL 6yf1+gO6BdOk7ZEeRamEN34nQJw7t6EOg6b2qXe3AOEBYbaBh/2fVTCBh0icAbmJTyb/ vbxyIYfJ7R7UCQCD5zngj71F6Fi3sP9CZ2w3ISFL1g+B8KLbnbeCILUc4zzF94OCvURm 4nIBtDqT+dfQe2SA6jS7rWFUVCFxffJ8VMBpyfOM/3RxVt+mCjEiOa/Tf/KFlwLOptDl 2CBg== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.55.40.91 with SMTP id o88mr73461451qkh.103.1435952309218; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 12:38:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.96.157.67 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 12:38:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:38:29 -0500 Message-ID: From: Devin Prater To: orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a1144196a4e51be0519fdb34d Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 19:38:43 -0000 --001a1144196a4e51be0519fdb34d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I think this one was mainly made for reading text files put into the unit's memory. Devin Pratersent from Gmail. On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Jason White wrote: > Josh K wrote: > > its almost here! the low cost multiline braille display called the canute > > will cost about $650. > > Interesting - thank you for the reference. There isn't much technical > detail > in the announcement. For example, we don't know how quickly the display can > refresh. Some designs do not refresh quickly enough for interactive use, > e.g., > editing a document, while being perfectly usable for reading a book. > Reliability is obviously another unanswered question. > > Orca relies on BRLTTY for braille display support, which, obviously, isn't > designed for multi-line displays. If and when such displays become > available, > however, I'm sure this limitation can be overcome, and Orca will also gain > any > necessary enhancements. > > There are several other projects working toward multi-line displays > currently, > including devices designed to support both text and graphics. > > I hope Linux, BRLTTY and Orca will be part of any braille display > revolution > that may happen. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > --001a1144196a4e51be0519fdb34d Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I think this one was mainly made for reading text files pu= t into the unit's memory.

Devin Pratersent from Gmail.

On Tue, Jun 16, 2015 at 6:11 PM, Jason White= <jason@jasonjgw.net> wrote:
Josh K <j= oshknnd1982@gmail.com> wrote:
> its almost here! the low cost multiline braille display called the can= ute
> will cost about $650.

Interesting - thank you for the reference. There isn't much tech= nical detail
in the announcement. For example, we don't know how quickly the display= can
refresh. Some designs do not refresh quickly enough for interactive use, e.= g.,
editing a document, while being perfectly usable for reading a book.
Reliability is obviously another unanswered question.

Orca relies on BRLTTY for braille display support, which, obviously, isn= 9;t
designed for multi-line displays. If and when such displays become availabl= e,
however, I'm sure this limitation can be overcome, and Orca will also g= ain any
necessary enhancements.

There are several other projects working toward multi-line displays current= ly,
including devices designed to support both text and graphics.

I hope Linux, BRLTTY and Orca will be part of any braille display revolutio= n
that may happen.

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.= gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent= lyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp=

--001a1144196a4e51be0519fdb34d-- From alex.midence@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 21:06:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA95576981 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:06:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2NgS3PS0YnMB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:06:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC3CF7657A for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:06:01 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obdbs4 with SMTP id bs4so75478986obd.3 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:05:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=5Ss/gPF5+2auNGAEBlOZLXCyXmmvsBs8BWMl5dAlxkM=; b=GB0kmiGNkmJuR2CJJTpUEvhhGzSjf00hoCLXl5xOv+iQN2I1I9GAX+2289n4SrIJbg 1LNTDZOWdEFssZM4nXv7Z52HEIVcmEiX90Q/lXUQJ3Zs57Tp0vbWdwZt9ISn4wF1QJ6n wcD/SWxgInfv+GwRsZf2E17CjJIGjKiV/tjOLxUXw2GdLGwa3mw9XGbQ+scAE9FdhFxD bPPfxVrpwd4BjDDYY4/wR9XBLkoGX0oM9vr10hjQLP8oCYSwA4TxW20mztQ30aDpYd/L L51YZLWz6SttInoZiMhZOMS5jGMKVbo5aA9QTGpPiDO+APLZZX7RuK9Pk8s28wEL41ne 7iiA== X-Received: by 10.182.165.71 with SMTP id yw7mr25672722obb.16.1435957559569; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:05:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cpe-76-184-51-183.tx.res.rr.com. [76.184.51.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id wk8sm5582848obc.24.2015.07.03.14.05.58 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:05:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:05:56 -0500 From: Alex Midence User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B. Henry" , Jason White , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:06:12 -0000 Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, totally doable if it's a refreshable braille display that you can apply for general reading purposes i.e. screenreader output. All things considered, the idea that there is a refrehsable braille device of any kind out there for such a low price and multiline to boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a proponent of braille literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many blind people can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in the home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or inaccessibly expensive devices. Audio speech output is no substitute for direct interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you can speed things up such that you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what are you gonna do when your kid wants you to read him a bedtime story or your church wants you to read from the Bible or you want to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. Alex M On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: > Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI to make it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's fos, so someone should > make it right if it is not. > I think this has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefuly mor ppl will start contributing to the project. > I've never had any e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to being something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written so that > I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a ebook reader. > > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 21:35:25 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87F3769F7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:35:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IJgqVggVBZ4b for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:35:24 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BFF076981 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 21:35:13 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oigx81 with SMTP id x81so85006057oig.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=1anjqDKZ1aMvkbcdiqDSZw1GY+sz/2wlN/WjcwYz0LM=; b=uY0xxuEveOikzDLCDgSAFYHSPmKJrhLbllzEfuL5g6wBGcMnoAG3Tx9kp1+zGb/5bx DXokpnkpt/gwN64a1R7QJQhJ1V8QOmgsGswNWiR1WkipuuFjm8T2kVrJvvpZBtD9ukJz yF+oV7sCW/zKJxYdsJG2Go/i3TI607Ro5O7q9HvBrglAF4ZcuLCjRG3mCFGtY1drYgRX mA95hajlXHaf2sNdk12WPPJCBVesEqMTIL8sE1E3Tqt9OX8ugUPWHDQNsJkkMI8ebCYZ KlFlD6xm9uOOC3YMilJ009qi2u4OyG2UMuD7Y/KrNjv5d0ktk2czoyrJdTiA7YQFYLlp H8Ag== X-Received: by 10.182.16.229 with SMTP id j5mr31379211obd.7.1435959311621; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (r74-192-83-213.mnolcmta01.minltx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net. [74.192.83.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d80sm5649183oic.21.2015.07.03.14.35.10 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 14:35:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:35:10 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Midence , "B. Henry" , Jason White , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:35:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi I completely agree here. I was lucky to learn braille at a very early age, I think I was two or three? I've gotten a little rusty over the years because the last device I had that had a refreshable display was an old braille note mPower, but it's long since gone to that parts warehouse in the sky, I think I still have the motherboard around here somewhere, sans braille display. If someone can get their hands on one orca support for it shouldn't be too difficult, assuming it doesn't just work out of the box. Thanks Kendell clark Alex Midence wrote: > Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, > totally doable if it's a refreshable braille display that you can > apply for general reading purposes i.e. screenreader output. All > things considered, the idea that there is a refrehsable braille > device of any kind out there for such a low price and multiline to > boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a proponent of braille > literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many blind people > can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in the > home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or > inaccessibly expensive devices. Audio speech output is no > substitute for direct interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you > can speed things up such that you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what > are you gonna do when your kid wants you to read him a bedtime > story or your church wants you to read from the Bible or you want > to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. > > Alex M > > > > On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: >> Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI >> to make it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's >> fos, so someone should make it right if it is not. I think this >> has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefuly mor >> ppl will start contributing to the project. I've never had any >> e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to being >> something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written >> so that I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a >> ebook reader. >> > > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > list orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlwAOAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdikkP/1GhqDQjbeK06ivJ+rkXNRRl HD4/DfyKl9Hnpz0gNhYK8PrMQe7Sby9cmQj9nQtBXnd2myC4gSG4owVcT21H5D+a 8WvQ20aTvCtC6W03jvCNNaHXY2IsAGs21gUlxUVe9I/5E2fil6pI8dVZx4AFwpIb AKn7eYaBRkoZ6sGh7BziRw24SsUMySseoQojpQa3zkG6vt6vNp/IEMHHiamjtkeq p/vGcqBxZtQTPP01Akx3S95XMvJvgofKdjbvx26Nju00quQnnNqr4BXsbJNnGimj k9TPpjDzxMczpVQXuw6X4eo6pBQTyEp96qzu7tLdasHGuPg50zO12XdYCrm0mWaC RdegmphZ6FnMoZdph/5qJtJNjy+7b00HmXh5zNsj85bHUoE4htxc126rfvUZ3T/G 82u0qaAfc5ENKePr0YjjcDThfBgjgAmTAdTItePDJwHTT50J9SFdsdQVTyVY2EZT GtmoP/Zcza4YE3bgexyxpgBDBOB7u1Hqj3muW+HnpF5rcmroz7Zzh7Z1W68nRsiA YEZQwqg4wCRM2DT6lNuL/NQL22zmxjGPERrvGKIX4tu0j8rdG6seW35SEjCU/5jZ FyGv/nTUae/kqWDUeD1lcpARKZAEZZrm/UzrhiZpyajbDDPEukzx5V1L6NOGv4Jq mfDbkIjtp7kBUTJky53Q =Qk40 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From burt1iband@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 22:50:34 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D23D76A06 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:50:34 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id i-Dya1GIQni6 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:50:33 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f171.google.com (mail-ob0-f171.google.com [209.85.214.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20D80769F7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:50:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obpn3 with SMTP id n3so76150250obp.0 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:50:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=t4N6/pxWpXKZg9delMWh0PtDy2Z3vzMfxyoB78DK+0I=; b=OPTVPDxfb11sSEik0T/d8u/Pi5OYhvcy8PvKj+K36XXKbP22CRFfd9VvrCCGu1rzR9 ytsuF3hpk1pIgKQCkWmczdLaWQAD368H+5vdC5sxdDoaMcZKfFi3QElxPB0ruEYBMz7c XJATuCOrtoN/0w9chwMAHLElCYOnXqpzwqPIrMXV+eDR+yaLMPmx13qrAlJCM4KLG41A KpSR1kNQHWfiXrphSd7jOlIrngubawHF/SYrQzTegchd6Y9J7/34mfmu5BPBNjQToYts kyOvzUj/Ld/Tv9dlbH9YIItbT9Eg1A7xj9zrdcIegOxzUVCCId6Jc/wMJyNsWGZ8RI5n /HDQ== X-Received: by 10.60.47.34 with SMTP id a2mr9685995oen.48.1435963815960; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.47.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id f3sm5750929obm.18.2015.07.03.15.50.14 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 15:50:15 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 17:48:30 -0500 From: "B. Henry" To: Alex Midence , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In-Reply-To: <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:50:34 -0000 Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization and fo= rmatting is different when one has a physical display as opposed to having = to=20 imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this difference ca= n be night and day. Looking at computer code being able to touch indention= =20 would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose braille com= puter display functionality with any stand alone braille e-book reader, and= =20 having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool also f= or some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being connected to= a=20 device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud to my= daughter so that she could have followed along looking at pictures and lat= er=20 print words. We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids books fro= m the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that there were not mor= e=20 titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more Spani= sh language content. A braille e-book reading device would probably have=20 helped with both issues. Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy braille or p= rint braille when it comes to those bedtime reading sessions, camping trips= ,=20 etc., but compared with nothing... =20 I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more advanced = math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough for most non= =20 math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but when you= add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions of much of=20 a tesxtbook with=20 a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or = a social life. =20 Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and I'm ver= y much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both paper and=20 electronic, in to the lives of more people.=20 =20 --=20 B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Alex Midence wrote: Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 04:05:56PM -0500 > Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, totally doable > if it's a refreshable braille display that you can apply for general read= ing > purposes i.e. screenreader output. All things considered, the idea that > there is a refrehsable braille device of any kind out there for such a low > price and multiline to boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a > proponent of braille literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many > blind people can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in > the home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or inaccessibly > expensive devices. Audio speech output is no substitute for direct > interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you can speed things up such that > you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what are you gonna do when your kid wants > you to read him a bedtime story or your church wants you to read from the > Bible or you want to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. >=20 > Alex M >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI to make = it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's fos, so someone should > >make it right if it is not. > >I think this has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefu= ly mor ppl will start contributing to the project. > >I've never had any e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to = being something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written so = that > >I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a ebook reader. > > >=20 From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Fri Jul 3 22:58:48 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BDA7769F7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:58:48 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s2vh72NpefKB for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:58:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173023pub.verizon.net (vms173023pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.23]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28D0776981 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 22:58:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.174.189.229]) by vms173023.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NQX0048VP5AHK50@vms173023.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 17:58:23 -0500 (CDT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=S6gku9YP c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=kSex1gbpS8ojUMvuVt4eXw==:117 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=31-CAibJQX4A:10 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=N659UExz7-8A:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=7MM0luOc2W0SYKgqenQA:9 a=pILNOxqGKmIA:10 a=Un6_-olZ3M8A:10 To: kendell clark , Alex Midence , "B. Henry" , Jason White , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> From: Al Sten-Clanton Message-id: <5597138D.5090402@verizon.net> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:58:21 -0400 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-version: 1.0 In-reply-to: <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:58:48 -0000 Does anybody know if the device will allow writing and editing in Grade II Braille? My inference from comments here is that it does not. That might be understandable but would be something of a bummer, since my wife wouldn't want a gismo without those abilities and I lean a good deal that way myself. My wife and I love hardcopy Braille when we can get it. Refreshable Braille devices certainly have made a lot more books available to us than we could have had otherwise, though, and I liked very much looking at code in Braille. Al On 07/03/2015 05:35 PM, kendell clark wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > hi > I completely agree here. I was lucky to learn braille at a very early > age, I think I was two or three? I've gotten a little rusty over the > years because the last device I had that had a refreshable display was > an old braille note mPower, but it's long since gone to that parts > warehouse in the sky, I think I still have the motherboard around here > somewhere, sans braille display. If someone can get their hands on > one orca support for it shouldn't be too difficult, assuming it > doesn't just work out of the box. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > Alex Midence wrote: >> Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, >> totally doable if it's a refreshable braille display that you can >> apply for general reading purposes i.e. screenreader output. All >> things considered, the idea that there is a refrehsable braille >> device of any kind out there for such a low price and multiline to >> boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a proponent of braille >> literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many blind people >> can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in the >> home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or >> inaccessibly expensive devices. Audio speech output is no >> substitute for direct interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you >> can speed things up such that you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what >> are you gonna do when your kid wants you to read him a bedtime >> story or your church wants you to read from the Bible or you want >> to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. >> >> Alex M >> >> >> >> On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI >>> to make it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's >>> fos, so someone should make it right if it is not. I think this >>> has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefuly mor >>> ppl will start contributing to the project. I've never had any >>> e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to being >>> something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written >>> so that I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a >>> ebook reader. >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing >> list orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual >> is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> >> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlwAOAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdikkP/1GhqDQjbeK06ivJ+rkXNRRl > HD4/DfyKl9Hnpz0gNhYK8PrMQe7Sby9cmQj9nQtBXnd2myC4gSG4owVcT21H5D+a > 8WvQ20aTvCtC6W03jvCNNaHXY2IsAGs21gUlxUVe9I/5E2fil6pI8dVZx4AFwpIb > AKn7eYaBRkoZ6sGh7BziRw24SsUMySseoQojpQa3zkG6vt6vNp/IEMHHiamjtkeq > p/vGcqBxZtQTPP01Akx3S95XMvJvgofKdjbvx26Nju00quQnnNqr4BXsbJNnGimj > k9TPpjDzxMczpVQXuw6X4eo6pBQTyEp96qzu7tLdasHGuPg50zO12XdYCrm0mWaC > RdegmphZ6FnMoZdph/5qJtJNjy+7b00HmXh5zNsj85bHUoE4htxc126rfvUZ3T/G > 82u0qaAfc5ENKePr0YjjcDThfBgjgAmTAdTItePDJwHTT50J9SFdsdQVTyVY2EZT > GtmoP/Zcza4YE3bgexyxpgBDBOB7u1Hqj3muW+HnpF5rcmroz7Zzh7Z1W68nRsiA > YEZQwqg4wCRM2DT6lNuL/NQL22zmxjGPERrvGKIX4tu0j8rdG6seW35SEjCU/5jZ > FyGv/nTUae/kqWDUeD1lcpARKZAEZZrm/UzrhiZpyajbDDPEukzx5V1L6NOGv4Jq > mfDbkIjtp7kBUTJky53Q > =Qk40 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From burt1iband@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 23:14:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21CF676A06 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:14:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3UxRMe24Ottm for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:14:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8192976981 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:14:20 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obdbs4 with SMTP id bs4so76670076obd.3 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:14:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=Qcag4GajEEZPBBxxT/M53pop/na53lfg1f8FJQElY2g=; b=DTyvyZ0cmSbx5xmQkHpx0WDYBGI5M0q+oslh3Msa/V1Q89D7pPRGMm7TAvTNJ2zCeH Aav744uPfl9bXuulP8tFmzz+0vfdu6g94+O4BknWUjhC9aDoIQyj/LdlgphVPgt2mqCh wzR0VyJk9pAylL1tAf7RbldkSLpV+HGG0EofHzQ+bsNTJhtJqtSwb6qwjCin+piGb+vu 2uvnD250eGX6Ouk3M6/ORZJuvVnufWc0ThVDEAWGnfwd/pQaSWiKs435MHgFbTGmyD5j UUh2Gxsu1MY/CfrkY6ZJ0VFmn403WJq3sPp335PyIpuj7FK8lVuyyT9GLv+wXuanvidF S+aA== X-Received: by 10.60.34.164 with SMTP id a4mr4949415oej.56.1435965259469; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.47.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pn16sm5738312oeb.16.2015.07.03.16.14.18 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:12:33 -0500 From: "B. Henry" To: kendell clark , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150703231232.GE12063@gmail.com> References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:14:33 -0000 I'vew never had, or even had the chance to use an electronic braille device of any kind so I really hope this or something similar gets to market soon. I keep hoping someone will be selling their old braille display cheap/was offered one if a minor repair could be done, but I never heard back as to whether or not they could fix it. E-braile would certainly be very helpful for a number of things, especially now that I'm trying to teach myself html, more about bash scripting, and other coputer related things like programming languages where syntax, punctuation and indention are important. I know it's way OT, but I really hope more people will actively encourage the kids coming up now to learn and practice braile. The electronic variety is of course very useful in many situations, but paper braille can be a great thing in many others. Having a note or two in hardcopy braille works when environmental conditions make carrying electronics riskier than makes any sense. Braille labels can be a God-send. Here in the state capital, downtown now there are little braille plaques with the street names at about chest height on building corners. Sure one might have a smartphone with gps aps, but then again one might not have such a thing, nor the money to buy one. Not everywhere is correctly mapped anyway, and sometimes the tech just does not work quite right. Low tech can often be the best tech. OK, enough of my preaching/just felt this important enough to go OT about for a few. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 kendell clark wrote: Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 04:35:10PM -0500 > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > hi > I completely agree here. I was lucky to learn braille at a very early > age, I think I was two or three? I've gotten a little rusty over the > years because the last device I had that had a refreshable display was > an old braille note mPower, but it's long since gone to that parts > warehouse in the sky, I think I still have the motherboard around here > somewhere, sans braille display. If someone can get their hands on > one orca support for it shouldn't be too difficult, assuming it > doesn't just work out of the box. > Thanks > Kendell clark > > > Alex Midence wrote: > > Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, > > totally doable if it's a refreshable braille display that you can > > apply for general reading purposes i.e. screenreader output. All > > things considered, the idea that there is a refrehsable braille > > device of any kind out there for such a low price and multiline to > > boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a proponent of braille > > literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many blind people > > can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in the > > home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or > > inaccessibly expensive devices. Audio speech output is no > > substitute for direct interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you > > can speed things up such that you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what > > are you gonna do when your kid wants you to read him a bedtime > > story or your church wants you to read from the Bible or you want > > to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. > > > > Alex M > > > > > > > > On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >> Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI > >> to make it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's > >> fos, so someone should make it right if it is not. I think this > >> has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefuly mor > >> ppl will start contributing to the project. I've never had any > >> e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to being > >> something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written > >> so that I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a > >> ebook reader. > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > > list orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > > is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlwAOAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdikkP/1GhqDQjbeK06ivJ+rkXNRRl > HD4/DfyKl9Hnpz0gNhYK8PrMQe7Sby9cmQj9nQtBXnd2myC4gSG4owVcT21H5D+a > 8WvQ20aTvCtC6W03jvCNNaHXY2IsAGs21gUlxUVe9I/5E2fil6pI8dVZx4AFwpIb > AKn7eYaBRkoZ6sGh7BziRw24SsUMySseoQojpQa3zkG6vt6vNp/IEMHHiamjtkeq > p/vGcqBxZtQTPP01Akx3S95XMvJvgofKdjbvx26Nju00quQnnNqr4BXsbJNnGimj > k9TPpjDzxMczpVQXuw6X4eo6pBQTyEp96qzu7tLdasHGuPg50zO12XdYCrm0mWaC > RdegmphZ6FnMoZdph/5qJtJNjy+7b00HmXh5zNsj85bHUoE4htxc126rfvUZ3T/G > 82u0qaAfc5ENKePr0YjjcDThfBgjgAmTAdTItePDJwHTT50J9SFdsdQVTyVY2EZT > GtmoP/Zcza4YE3bgexyxpgBDBOB7u1Hqj3muW+HnpF5rcmroz7Zzh7Z1W68nRsiA > YEZQwqg4wCRM2DT6lNuL/NQL22zmxjGPERrvGKIX4tu0j8rdG6seW35SEjCU/5jZ > FyGv/nTUae/kqWDUeD1lcpARKZAEZZrm/UzrhiZpyajbDDPEukzx5V1L6NOGv4Jq > mfDbkIjtp7kBUTJky53Q > =Qk40 > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From burt1iband@gmail.com Fri Jul 3 23:23:43 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B0E3769F7 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:23:43 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ROK27IIt_tzm for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:23:40 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B33B176981 for ; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:23:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obpn3 with SMTP id n3so76427780obp.0 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=myC6aoUdfwugzB6Q72vsdqogXJn5XScOl8fYoG+RzWE=; b=s1L7iPtLiLW9ZmQt0MsIjPMij3UV3FZ5HjDl6eqBfu0bE1T2n6YCMOwohmrttOrj0k jxaBFWNklwRgs1IH9ee1qwP4jY7rQZkQeUR3pyCoJAXPjzUgXbn0BQM8xXXXfaPSjvW3 R1YYOvfD+LAVPf+g4RfJh8aI284nC4MU1rNj+Vg+SE8wztA23luFERCrU/fsLLVHmzap kB1vgLjLq1o+8tS/A0sZcX8lB+oVporjka0PPg0JnzdoWM8MPL/8580Q+ObehRREl6GL RYXNL1Dao+Ri7tcU12POrp5vXxs0smSil0A+gwUYuYkN5uwINe4iFucQ9j/CZl7U00/D tuPg== X-Received: by 10.60.179.13 with SMTP id dc13mr30017674oec.17.1435965808357; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:23:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from gmail.com ([189.188.47.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id lz12sm5748686oeb.4.2015.07.03.16.23.27 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 16:23:27 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 18:21:42 -0500 From: "B. Henry" To: Al Sten-Clanton , orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150703232141.GF12063@gmail.com> References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> <5597138D.5090402@verizon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5597138D.5090402@verizon.net> X-PGP-Key: gpg --recv-keys 1CBA3837 --keyserver hkp://pool.sks-keyservers.net User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23+89 (0255b37be491) (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display\ X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 23:23:43 -0000 This is still a prototype as I understand it, but I have no reason to think it does, or does not have grade II ability now. If grade II capability has not been incorperated yet it certainly should be befor the device is brought to market. I'd think handling different languages and contracted braille should be rather trivial. As far as I know in English grade2 is the worldwide standard for everythinig other than some little kids books. In Spanish however few folks know grade2, and I've never seen much content available in grade2 Spanish braille either. I'm not at all sure about other languages, but think it's a mixed bag. Many languages use accents, and maybe even extra letters that use up a number of the symbols that could otherwise be used by grade2 braille. In Spanish we certainly have some of this, but French has even more accents and I think grade2 French is rather more common than grade2 Spanish. -- B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 Al Sten-Clanton wrote: Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 06:58:21PM -0400 > Does anybody know if the device will allow writing and editing in Grade II > Braille? My inference from comments here is that it does not. That might > be understandable but would be something of a bummer, since my wife wouldn't > want a gismo without those abilities and I lean a good deal that way myself. > > My wife and I love hardcopy Braille when we can get it. Refreshable Braille > devices certainly have made a lot more books available to us than we could > have had otherwise, though, and I liked very much looking at code in > Braille. > > Al > > On 07/03/2015 05:35 PM, kendell clark wrote: > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >Hash: SHA512 > > > >hi > >I completely agree here. I was lucky to learn braille at a very early > >age, I think I was two or three? I've gotten a little rusty over the > >years because the last device I had that had a refreshable display was > >an old braille note mPower, but it's long since gone to that parts > >warehouse in the sky, I think I still have the motherboard around here > >somewhere, sans braille display. If someone can get their hands on > >one orca support for it shouldn't be too difficult, assuming it > >doesn't just work out of the box. > >Thanks > >Kendell clark > > > > > >Alex Midence wrote: > >>Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, > >>totally doable if it's a refreshable braille display that you can > >>apply for general reading purposes i.e. screenreader output. All > >>things considered, the idea that there is a refrehsable braille > >>device of any kind out there for such a low price and multiline to > >>boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a proponent of braille > >>literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many blind people > >>can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in the > >>home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or > >>inaccessibly expensive devices. Audio speech output is no > >>substitute for direct interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you > >>can speed things up such that you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what > >>are you gonna do when your kid wants you to read him a bedtime > >>story or your church wants you to read from the Bible or you want > >>to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. > >> > >>Alex M > >> > >> > >> > >>On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: > >>>Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI > >>>to make it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's > >>>fos, so someone should make it right if it is not. I think this > >>>has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefuly mor > >>>ppl will start contributing to the project. I've never had any > >>>e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to being > >>>something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written > >>>so that I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a > >>>ebook reader. > >>> > >> > >>_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > >>list orca-list@gnome.org > >>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > >>http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > >>is at > >>http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >> > >> > >The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >Version: GnuPG v2 > > > >iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlwAOAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdikkP/1GhqDQjbeK06ivJ+rkXNRRl > >HD4/DfyKl9Hnpz0gNhYK8PrMQe7Sby9cmQj9nQtBXnd2myC4gSG4owVcT21H5D+a > >8WvQ20aTvCtC6W03jvCNNaHXY2IsAGs21gUlxUVe9I/5E2fil6pI8dVZx4AFwpIb > >AKn7eYaBRkoZ6sGh7BziRw24SsUMySseoQojpQa3zkG6vt6vNp/IEMHHiamjtkeq > >p/vGcqBxZtQTPP01Akx3S95XMvJvgofKdjbvx26Nju00quQnnNqr4BXsbJNnGimj > >k9TPpjDzxMczpVQXuw6X4eo6pBQTyEp96qzu7tLdasHGuPg50zO12XdYCrm0mWaC > >RdegmphZ6FnMoZdph/5qJtJNjy+7b00HmXh5zNsj85bHUoE4htxc126rfvUZ3T/G > >82u0qaAfc5ENKePr0YjjcDThfBgjgAmTAdTItePDJwHTT50J9SFdsdQVTyVY2EZT > >GtmoP/Zcza4YE3bgexyxpgBDBOB7u1Hqj3muW+HnpF5rcmroz7Zzh7Z1W68nRsiA > >YEZQwqg4wCRM2DT6lNuL/NQL22zmxjGPERrvGKIX4tu0j8rdG6seW35SEjCU/5jZ > >FyGv/nTUae/kqWDUeD1lcpARKZAEZZrm/UzrhiZpyajbDDPEukzx5V1L6NOGv4Jq > >mfDbkIjtp7kBUTJky53Q > >=Qk40 > >-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > From joshknnd1982@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 01:07:52 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF38C769F7 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:07:52 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ui_nwo7mkKkU for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:07:51 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f170.google.com (mail-qk0-f170.google.com [209.85.220.170]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 984347697C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qkeo142 with SMTP id o142so82390941qke.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=WeB0Y7a3i3AEyG8Fbn6GpBbSoD5xhUtVi3WwKzARizY=; b=PaRwAQ7UXsrddwe4MuVYO5SDg6CUhkPJ6jQLck6eSCUwYWHy3j7ol8xbWD23py5Iqk 2o39UL+gYaSSxCV/XDJV9JrXElaOcw1/wpwZXo7R3K5nCrr5jhwR67AG/up7PMAcfgQy oumMsQspzdeVae5d7cDrJLnf9e09qGBJaLk5dt64kvX6oAG1y+DhMDW1qy6TywfUaj/s kUynMCFV5eu4zlTdpfPHoUEATrCVFT7ap8m+UxCubfMbyMEBKVqD/KoWHy/3Low4Jw3n iAb+jBHcRNaPqXqNBEVctSz+glOZJ6leguo6v4Y9JXG9xj57/y5AnW/bjXgDy6OyKLI8 c/Ag== X-Received: by 10.55.41.70 with SMTP id p67mr76081476qkh.25.1435972059518; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:989:c000:7195:cdd0:8f6a:f48:bfd8? ([2601:989:c000:7195:cdd0:8f6a:f48:bfd8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id i197sm5313605qhc.36.2015.07.03.18.07.38 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559731D5.7050104@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:07:33 -0400 From: Josh K User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B. Henry" , Alex Midence , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 01:07:52 -0000 and remember the canute does run linux as its OS it runs raspbian linux. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/3/2015 6:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: > Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization and formatting is different when one has a physical display as opposed to having to > imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this difference can be night and day. Looking at computer code being able to touch indention > would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. > It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille e-book reader, and > having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool also for some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being connected to a > device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud to my daughter so that she could have followed along looking at pictures and later > print words. > We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that there were not more > titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more Spanish language content. A braille e-book reading device would probably have > helped with both issues. > Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading sessions, camping trips, > etc., but compared with nothing... > I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough for most non > math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions of much of > a tesxtbook with > a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or a social life. > Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both paper and > electronic, in to the lives of more people. > From joshknnd1982@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 01:08:38 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A652D76A06 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:08:38 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fSfjxmshCcni for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:08:37 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f169.google.com (mail-qk0-f169.google.com [209.85.220.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 296337697C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 01:08:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qkei195 with SMTP id i195so82364045qke.3 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=KLV1IKFL3pvJsPCHZROJNOApD4gRnz0rnudEVUfyG/s=; b=xEcdPF+paX9DLc3ktaMhk5a9/7Ze5hra30kPifGfRAfnTCgdL2z05729BT8NizZzv0 8FQiC1wEUaARJwarG0Rm+ZZb/8DyiacuQcmxLtMitfGeHSG2rbYdDTbHN12og+cVlErD FD2WgPYJfHd0DZNFcECcxBIQfAt1VOxAw/q8fGc0tQmIB3e4FPxA7sDg9Zx1JABq6+Iu S/43iRRJ4qGhzRRXMyF7Nx5Tj/63seIJbdjYJRxD7h+s8+k+DboFHYi4Us/B4f62Qpln djue005Pgt5uZepaZyBrdrCgZQbYeQ+KEXOXlsSPKp0qDebg40jbmwqfD7EIZi4ifRmV ++Sw== X-Received: by 10.55.24.68 with SMTP id j65mr63887022qkh.65.1435972100059; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:08:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:989:c000:7195:cdd0:8f6a:f48:bfd8? ([2601:989:c000:7195:cdd0:8f6a:f48:bfd8]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g201sm5315671qhc.6.2015.07.03.18.08.19 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 18:08:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559731FD.1030006@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 21:08:13 -0400 From: Josh K User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Al Sten-Clanton , kendell clark , Alex Midence , "B. Henry" , Jason White , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> <5597138D.5090402@verizon.net> In-Reply-To: <5597138D.5090402@verizon.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 01:08:38 -0000 well since it runs free open source rasbian linux we could mod it to make it do whatever we wish. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/3/2015 6:58 PM, Al Sten-Clanton wrote: > Does anybody know if the device will allow writing and editing in > Grade II Braille? My inference from comments here is that it does > not. That might be understandable but would be something of a bummer, > since my wife wouldn't want a gismo without those abilities and I lean > a good deal that way myself. > > My wife and I love hardcopy Braille when we can get it. Refreshable > Braille devices certainly have made a lot more books available to us > than we could have had otherwise, though, and I liked very much > looking at code in Braille. > > Al > > On 07/03/2015 05:35 PM, kendell clark wrote: >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- >> Hash: SHA512 >> >> hi >> I completely agree here. I was lucky to learn braille at a very early >> age, I think I was two or three? I've gotten a little rusty over the >> years because the last device I had that had a refreshable display was >> an old braille note mPower, but it's long since gone to that parts >> warehouse in the sky, I think I still have the motherboard around here >> somewhere, sans braille display. If someone can get their hands on >> one orca support for it shouldn't be too difficult, assuming it >> doesn't just work out of the box. >> Thanks >> Kendell clark >> >> >> Alex Midence wrote: >>> Yeah, it's a bit of a stretch for just an eBook reader but, >>> totally doable if it's a refreshable braille display that you can >>> apply for general reading purposes i.e. screenreader output. All >>> things considered, the idea that there is a refrehsable braille >>> device of any kind out there for such a low price and multiline to >>> boot is wonderful to me. I have always been a proponent of braille >>> literacy and I find it immensely alarming how many blind people >>> can't read it because they don't find it practical to use in the >>> home or outside of academia because of bulky hardcopy or >>> inaccessibly expensive devices. Audio speech output is no >>> substitute for direct interaction with the text, imho. Yeah, you >>> can speed things up such that you inhale data at 750 wpm but, what >>> are you gonna do when your kid wants you to read him a bedtime >>> story or your church wants you to read from the Bible or you want >>> to be a guest reader at your favorite book club. >>> >>> Alex M >>> >>> >>> >>> On 6/24/2015 5:36 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>>> Well, there's enough processing power in the latest raspberryPI >>>> to make it refresh fast enough if the code is right, and it's >>>> fos, so someone should make it right if it is not. I think this >>>> has a lot of potential, and now that the word is out hopefuly mor >>>> ppl will start contributing to the project. I've never had any >>>> e-braille device, but this is coming pretty close to being >>>> something I'd find a way to afford assuming the code gets written >>>> so that I can use it with screenreader output, i.e. not just as a >>>> ebook reader. >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing >>> list orca-list@gnome.org >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual >>> is at >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>> >>> >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- >> Version: GnuPG v2 >> >> iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVlwAOAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdikkP/1GhqDQjbeK06ivJ+rkXNRRl >> HD4/DfyKl9Hnpz0gNhYK8PrMQe7Sby9cmQj9nQtBXnd2myC4gSG4owVcT21H5D+a >> 8WvQ20aTvCtC6W03jvCNNaHXY2IsAGs21gUlxUVe9I/5E2fil6pI8dVZx4AFwpIb >> AKn7eYaBRkoZ6sGh7BziRw24SsUMySseoQojpQa3zkG6vt6vNp/IEMHHiamjtkeq >> p/vGcqBxZtQTPP01Akx3S95XMvJvgofKdjbvx26Nju00quQnnNqr4BXsbJNnGimj >> k9TPpjDzxMczpVQXuw6X4eo6pBQTyEp96qzu7tLdasHGuPg50zO12XdYCrm0mWaC >> RdegmphZ6FnMoZdph/5qJtJNjy+7b00HmXh5zNsj85bHUoE4htxc126rfvUZ3T/G >> 82u0qaAfc5ENKePr0YjjcDThfBgjgAmTAdTItePDJwHTT50J9SFdsdQVTyVY2EZT >> GtmoP/Zcza4YE3bgexyxpgBDBOB7u1Hqj3muW+HnpF5rcmroz7Zzh7Z1W68nRsiA >> YEZQwqg4wCRM2DT6lNuL/NQL22zmxjGPERrvGKIX4tu0j8rdG6seW35SEjCU/5jZ >> FyGv/nTUae/kqWDUeD1lcpARKZAEZZrm/UzrhiZpyajbDDPEukzx5V1L6NOGv4Jq >> mfDbkIjtp7kBUTJky53Q >> =Qk40 >> -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >> > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 02:30:27 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 527F77697C for ; 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charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: burt1iband@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 02:30:27 -0000 So that means that the braille tables should all be there I think, i.e. no reason to worry about grade2 braille. B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 03/07/15 08:07 PM, Josh K wrote: > and remember the canute does run linux as its OS it runs raspbian linux. > > follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 > > On 7/3/2015 6:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization >> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as >> opposed to having to >> imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this >> difference can be night and day. Looking at computer code being able >> to touch indention >> would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. >> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose >> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille >> e-book reader, and >> having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool >> also for some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being >> connected to a >> device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud >> to my daughter so that she could have followed along looking at >> pictures and later >> print words. >> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids >> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that >> there were not more >> titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more >> Spanish language content. A braille e-book reading device would >> probably have >> helped with both issues. >> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy >> braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading >> sessions, camping trips, >> etc., but compared with nothing... >> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more >> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough >> for most non >> math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but >> when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions >> of much of >> a tesxtbook with >> a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less >> work or a social life. >> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and >> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both >> paper and >> electronic, in to the lives of more people. > From nalin.x.linux@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 03:03:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 905407697C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:03:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EGueoMYhWux8 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:03:11 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f181.google.com (mail-ob0-f181.google.com [209.85.214.181]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F5E768C1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:03:00 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbop1 with SMTP id op1so78208907obb.2 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:02:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=+8e3jFunDltaO1cb5/Q1PgxNkz7QYR8EFezdHF+UNio=; b=AqephacHpyAcI4ymypEf45/ZYdC3FW4kjL3dC7sCXcI7udDZ4I7yEcireF2RF2qltK KY4v91BSC3BbMLUHPcUvhlzsQ/L6/na1sxZThAATs//KjkH3MB+ecy+gdBa2d2EaQHlj qxQ4qAf/CS7tJdOuW4d/D88lYZaZ0U0LMGfeeFkLFObXcE7bFYVTZQcv+zSWlckeL9Yi yv5481KZVBoyjYddSsckL1/BlEsQPAMBO3+fk8ck7sS7CyO7JyuD94N9UocMyRaYkzOG INgoRIBVmbnv3hX7AcB0pNMUIRanCIXFRUClRyKuh8XnLS7qDn/lkIohDzSg/xcSEfM4 /ejA== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.98.193 with SMTP id w184mr35905399oib.96.1435978979060; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:02:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.222.66 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 20:02:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:32:58 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Nalin.x.Linux" To: "B. Henry" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Arun Persaud , "H.G. Muller" , Samuel Thibault , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:03:12 -0000 On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > Dear friends, I just made the popular chess graphical front-end named > XBoard accessible. We need an immediate testing. Currently it uses > pico tts to announce various information. I just added KeyNavigation > so that one can use arrow keys to select, press enter key to lock and > use arrow keys and enter to finish move also one can use the direct > notation using keyboard. The accessibility menu contains > SayWhosTurn(Alt+Shift+m), ReadRow(Alt+r), ReadColumn(Alt+Shift+f), > SayUpperDiagnols(Alt+u), SayLowerDiagnols(Alt+l), SayClockTime(Alt+t), > SayAllBoard(Alt+p), SayWhitePieces(Alt+w),SayBlackPieces(Alt+b), > SayKnightMoves(Alt+Shift+n), SayCurrentPos(Space or Alt+s), > PossibleAttacked(Alt+d), PossibleAttackMove(Alt+Shift+m), > SayMachineMove(Alt+x). > > Please run following commands in-order to test it. > > sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential > libttspico-utils > git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git > git checkout gtk3 > autoreconf --install > ./configure --prefix=/usr > make > sudo make install Troubleshooting : First of all try to test pico is working or not using following command pico2wave -l en-GB -w info.wav "hello how are you " && paplay info.wav maybe you have to install pulseaudio-utils for paplay. BTW if you want use espeak do the following commands and compile again. Beware orca may become silent if you are using espeak as default for orca. sudo apt-get install espeak cd xboard git checkout dae52d215b88feb4f23fb7dd1abd3b74cf46627d make sudo make install -- Free Software Free Society From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 03:12:57 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B7FE97697C for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:12:57 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0iltp21vdPC1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:12:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f50.google.com (mail-oi0-f50.google.com [209.85.218.50]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FE9768C1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:12:46 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oigx81 with SMTP id x81so87851416oig.1 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:12:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rmKmykGscrHX9Cb4C44G/U5DbwOdcbhOVYGI0Z19+PA=; b=gGy0Rd5iq31+gA2ijhM6ZLijRrVo15fzz2RpIaEHPSCXRoBMCxtoL3cA3MYHocboU5 4dxAS4aVvj60oC00OugIcCpZg8D3pusyGd3NUQpfZ/IpUp98xGMIoSSABmpTTGtZkHyM m0i73wO2LS6/fmQCnKK2vS3qIVs8dkiZ1hquitM+uw6XVi1i4XaBu3kEjy9xCJoSMLrj OQTKgePDmw23l9F8USxlzGziTTJ7JQPudZs4YE7CYcMwbWI8ciVxbbEVa0rc9vGck16F oFDwjoopILp6Al75MdA3ZpoB8ZNIerwBmwWebojFja7WfqzVjyd7uJJDNfcr1BNzet2H ZU+w== X-Received: by 10.202.97.197 with SMTP id v188mr36402343oib.100.1435979564580; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([189.188.47.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm6079381oey.5.2015.07.03.20.12.43 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:12:44 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55974EC4.9020805@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:11:00 -0500 From: "B.Henry" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/35.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Nalin.x.Linux" , Orca mail-list References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: burt1iband@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:12:58 -0000 Is pulse audio required, or can xboard be run using alsa directly? I'll be able to test on a machine I have if straight alsa is not possible, but my production box is alsa only. Regards, B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 03/07/15 10:02 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: >> Dear friends, I just made the popular chess graphical front-end named >> XBoard accessible. We need an immediate testing. Currently it uses >> pico tts to announce various information. I just added KeyNavigation >> so that one can use arrow keys to select, press enter key to lock and >> use arrow keys and enter to finish move also one can use the direct >> notation using keyboard. The accessibility menu contains >> SayWhosTurn(Alt+Shift+m), ReadRow(Alt+r), ReadColumn(Alt+Shift+f), >> SayUpperDiagnols(Alt+u), SayLowerDiagnols(Alt+l), SayClockTime(Alt+t), >> SayAllBoard(Alt+p), SayWhitePieces(Alt+w),SayBlackPieces(Alt+b), >> SayKnightMoves(Alt+Shift+n), SayCurrentPos(Space or Alt+s), >> PossibleAttacked(Alt+d), PossibleAttackMove(Alt+Shift+m), >> SayMachineMove(Alt+x). >> >> Please run following commands in-order to test it. >> >> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential >> libttspico-utils >> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git >> git checkout gtk3 >> autoreconf --install >> ./configure --prefix=/usr >> make >> sudo make install > Troubleshooting : First of all try to test pico is working or not > using following command > > pico2wave -l en-GB -w info.wav "hello how are you " && paplay info.wav > > maybe you have to install pulseaudio-utils for paplay. > > BTW if you want use espeak do the following commands and compile > again. Beware orca may become silent if you are using espeak as > default for orca. > > sudo apt-get install espeak > cd xboard > git checkout dae52d215b88feb4f23fb7dd1abd3b74cf46627d > make > sudo make install > > From nalin.x.linux@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 03:18:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D5ED4768C1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:18:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tRgqPSub_Qiy for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:18:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com (mail-ob0-f169.google.com [209.85.214.169]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8967276492 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 03:17:53 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbop1 with SMTP id op1so78313511obb.2 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=qlU5NTiBjQwHuifmvmNMlHvRcLxRMDzomQObxYbEcLc=; b=0pdKyYGXigdip/To6vjHKvBh8Y9iYqzUP286H40DPgQS0JhijOq29d9YZ9TO7GSFRr C8Kot/HLcrYo+oeSvv/0CQfBkrSICT1K0A4sBni5W1yiRPG0NxG/TDg048/Jl74Kgit3 a+mmTXkDNKgz3M9NFSiFMrCnhgPo4KOQsN3BkouIk9sJXkEzE748XuSeia+4pXFqR5EF WWbGDk0+WW7NqsIicVAjRGr5dZyQDFyJ9D0yXW/fu5fQ2fNY6shRaMriFa0NJfbOUlt/ wSqVzXkSnyWNDi4P6koENrgxmgEwAAcQWcczkp/5Cn966UMiwoVSkClUju7L0levMxNy rdeQ== MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.202.169.210 with SMTP id s201mr36151757oie.71.1435979871763; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.182.222.66 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jul 2015 20:17:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <55974EC4.9020805@gmail.com> References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> <55974EC4.9020805@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:47:51 +0530 Message-ID: From: "Nalin.x.Linux" To: burt henry Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Cc: Orca mail-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:18:10 -0000 Ahh if you are using with pico (last commit) the paplay is required which comes with package named pulseaudio-utils. Arch users can install pico2wav by following the instruction at http://www.cxlabs.org/2014/05/using-text-to-speech-tts.html On Sat, Jul 4, 2015 at 8:41 AM, B.Henry wrote: > Is pulse audio required, or can xboard be run using alsa directly? > I'll be able to test on a machine I have if straight alsa is not possible, > but my production box is alsa only. > Regards, > > B.H. > Registerd Linux User 521886 > > On 03/07/15 10:02 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: >> >> On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Nalin.x.Linux >> wrote: >>> >>> Dear friends, I just made the popular chess graphical front-end named >>> XBoard accessible. We need an immediate testing. Currently it uses >>> pico tts to announce various information. I just added KeyNavigation >>> so that one can use arrow keys to select, press enter key to lock and >>> use arrow keys and enter to finish move also one can use the direct >>> notation using keyboard. The accessibility menu contains >>> SayWhosTurn(Alt+Shift+m), ReadRow(Alt+r), ReadColumn(Alt+Shift+f), >>> SayUpperDiagnols(Alt+u), SayLowerDiagnols(Alt+l), SayClockTime(Alt+t), >>> SayAllBoard(Alt+p), SayWhitePieces(Alt+w),SayBlackPieces(Alt+b), >>> SayKnightMoves(Alt+Shift+n), SayCurrentPos(Space or Alt+s), >>> PossibleAttacked(Alt+d), PossibleAttackMove(Alt+Shift+m), >>> SayMachineMove(Alt+x). >>> >>> Please run following commands in-order to test it. >>> >>> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential >>> libttspico-utils >>> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git >>> git checkout gtk3 >>> autoreconf --install >>> ./configure --prefix=/usr >>> make >>> sudo make install >> >> Troubleshooting : First of all try to test pico is working or not >> using following command >> >> pico2wave -l en-GB -w info.wav "hello how are you " && paplay info.wav >> >> maybe you have to install pulseaudio-utils for paplay. >> >> BTW if you want use espeak do the following commands and compile >> again. Beware orca may become silent if you are using espeak as >> default for orca. >> >> sudo apt-get install espeak >> cd xboard >> git checkout dae52d215b88feb4f23fb7dd1abd3b74cf46627d >> make >> sudo make install >> >> > -- Free Software Free Society From burt1iband@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 05:17:51 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DEBB768C1 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 05:17:51 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zDSQXsHHwKYa for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 05:17:49 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f42.google.com (mail-oi0-f42.google.com [209.85.218.42]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63FA07635B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 05:17:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oihr66 with SMTP id r66so32932714oih.2 for ; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:17:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:reply-to:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=cgr9xJNn8fdN9qtIyr3Z6boVPp5oCb4Yp4qDCXxnZnE=; b=V4T0pUnqQPmbFta/Vja21KvjsNV2UQ5tc/JNuZejXDOz5JyqnlEJtonpjXqV7+Aj5w kG4IGh5mvUr0FvoyClGyTFJMnbbz6zFEvujH2QKuNJXaYMRpjSWno2Nw+MLAROFJsJE2 l6DK6yrPgcCCai9yqlf7bxIdf72uMXmWMh7yutkztenNJPuCFwmHNmnkqUFZwpY3faPp MVaBoOsxEPfbB0xxmLkandmwytlbA8tK1jEPZg9uXQf9Cz6H1V+ADBgMAuOT1KmmJoaX UthaJDIOLwBGOLDAUtNLN/I+ayLXj31E060cn3nYTfh9DQQJjGJvbHuJ0yjTfBbJdtSf EtEw== X-Received: by 10.182.142.202 with SMTP id ry10mr35392955obb.27.1435987057472; Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:17:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([189.188.47.102]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id c3sm6308919obo.5.2015.07.03.22.17.35 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Fri, 03 Jul 2015 22:17:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <55976C08.2050606@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 00:15:52 -0500 From: "B.Henry" User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:35.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/35.0a1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Nalin.x.Linux" , Orca mail-list References: <558FA05E.3050308@gmail.com> <9E10977B-FAAC-44DB-B351-9E40CA2BD42A@gmail.com> <20150630054037.GH1635@opera.rednote.net> <4E555259-6C53-4645-B2DB-BC4BE3B66938@gmail.com> <008401d0b36e$e77abee0$b6703ca0$@gmail.com> <55930E2C.2030004@gmail.com> <20150703031658.GA12063@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] any accessible chess game? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: burt1iband@gmail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 05:17:51 -0000 Working fine so far with the exception you mentioned of orca going silent when using espeak. This is a pure alsa system, will check on one using pulse audio later. Thank you so much, and to the people who were thinking that for a blind person having a GUI for computer chess would not be important, well I can only say I really prefer this to having to always keep a physical board in my backpack in case I want to play chess, or trust to my rather decrepit excuse for a memory. B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 03/07/15 10:02 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: > On Fri, Jul 3, 2015 at 10:28 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote: >> Dear friends, I just made the popular chess graphical front-end named >> XBoard accessible. We need an immediate testing. Currently it uses >> pico tts to announce various information. I just added KeyNavigation >> so that one can use arrow keys to select, press enter key to lock and >> use arrow keys and enter to finish move also one can use the direct >> notation using keyboard. The accessibility menu contains >> SayWhosTurn(Alt+Shift+m), ReadRow(Alt+r), ReadColumn(Alt+Shift+f), >> SayUpperDiagnols(Alt+u), SayLowerDiagnols(Alt+l), SayClockTime(Alt+t), >> SayAllBoard(Alt+p), SayWhitePieces(Alt+w),SayBlackPieces(Alt+b), >> SayKnightMoves(Alt+Shift+n), SayCurrentPos(Space or Alt+s), >> PossibleAttacked(Alt+d), PossibleAttackMove(Alt+Shift+m), >> SayMachineMove(Alt+x). >> >> Please run following commands in-order to test it. >> >> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential >> libttspico-utils >> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git >> git checkout gtk3 >> autoreconf --install >> ./configure --prefix=/usr >> make >> sudo make install > Troubleshooting : First of all try to test pico is working or not > using following command > > pico2wave -l en-GB -w info.wav "hello how are you " && paplay info.wav > > maybe you have to install pulseaudio-utils for paplay. > > BTW if you want use espeak do the following commands and compile > again. Beware orca may become silent if you are using espeak as > default for orca. > > sudo apt-get install espeak > cd xboard > git checkout dae52d215b88feb4f23fb7dd1abd3b74cf46627d > make > sudo make install > > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 10:47:18 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F1C7764BC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:47:18 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id G218P6qjXhTw for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:47:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f177.google.com (mail-ob0-f177.google.com [209.85.214.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD2507635B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:47:07 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnt2 with SMTP id nt2so684254obb.0 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:47:05 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=XEy5QR0sCByAMIrJVFuU+izoX6LS0zsnUEt9SlNis6o=; b=U0b52CRSxobJ4ZnljZX/Hrr6NmvDCN3y28moPSSK9IIm2pBN/IfvjGRoBXLvI7ZKMg m5RutbNIGQ3r7b81wepxO5ah/PvF5m1y0wSALj1tsOb/zT5U4+42bZVFDs76XBpN12Ie FnUpLBV5QZMHBa4QBu/z+CWVouVr81BQGdk1Ue0VwFFVsqw3R2SB6rLh1RNYjPcfL3kI XCx5HQ2/tD2YpHUVaKRLV6rHrI3mKgpdSy+it1JVTqfk+r70WtK1GJ915mq05wt5OYMQ Dhbl6nXGbWUQYfL5DvAcwQ+UnNevFjekM+kdttumNYjFHHygXLVkRrKRnHdA1tCct2hs TvYQ== X-Received: by 10.182.65.194 with SMTP id z2mr38523068obs.30.1436006825657; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (r74-192-83-213.mnolcmta01.minltx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net. [74.192.83.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xp8sm6626668obc.10.2015.07.04.03.47.04 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jul 2015 03:47:05 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5597B9A8.3090207@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 05:47:04 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] some strange characters showing up in gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:47:18 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi all Ever since the math ml support was added to orca, I've been noticing some strange characters showing up in gnome's menus and dialogs. In the display settings, the resolutions are said as 1600 x 900 16 ratio 9 instead of 16 by 9, although I can easily figure out what it means. Some options in menus have "horrizontal elipsis" said after them. I'm assuming this is because they have an elipsis character after the option titles. I'm not complaining, just reporting it. Speaking of elipsis, orca has for a very long time, said "dot dot dot" when encountering the usual three periods to indicate a break in speech. The only reason I mention it is because espeak handles this just fine natively, and having espeak handle it ... I'm not sure how to put it exactly, it improves the speech flow? I hesitate to ask for it to be changed all by myself, I want to get some community feedback. I think there might be some synths who don't handle this character well. I know viavoice and espeak both do, but some natural voices might not. I think if they don't they just pause as if at the end of a sentence. What does everyone else think? By the way, the math ml code in firefox is amazing. I hope this can eventually get extended to all browsers, but what's hear is nice. There are apparently a lot more pages that use it than I thought. Thanks Kendell clark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVl7mkAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdJHUP/02PrQbqwSoS5tec796HCosK ZuSV9QYl+AFyQAA+lv2eiRzy+d64ZcdtmUvuUs2fljAF5RLrBdSTNQEfPQDtACY+ qF5qzVkktYzbXoiP+N3r+jn0sN7hAzsxgbYmesgnFYJDxmrhrUkYwEyuHBfCZZjZ 68kL6WMaI6172DA0YfzyvKQIlOOCBMYNY6ZDcAygYl/II9tCxn9DG4WZ5pGJKWfl dEBnOK07mHqqFr/VycNFKneQcynn3iZNZBN0vFdRCNnLTvCteDsftWcXetRms/XH Xb4WWBsdv1DO6UBIDfDoCOa1FNv5n6OYBnW4sht+zTzUUYtEoaRx8ZAEumsb7I4z dvKeuMPqfIlVJYQcp8VGReHUjLI2nDhHWVp9ZwPulJ4C1t0B+c+UamUna87ldGKY 1xtKpa+nHSIfpKG9/S4LERNo5emWf4T1yuFaFhjxYY+1Gxnw0QwrztiDGNW4XIaX ravFFergNjbieAMrZowmSb5027HwUj3IefT8aemo2JSi4OiQxVkmbx1B4zt2MJ4V WZMDSABe9m05vuizlzmruAmIk6/7PYj3SuuucSwcl/RuquVeYKB9rQ3F+7rytDSa E/9fW+5WSRHzr9Vus55ykpii8If6bh3Rwf7VU3wvIQl1+pqZMCIEf8f0XFdAQyD3 d8sv4u3Md2drmoSXFbsr =F02E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jdiggs@igalia.com Sat Jul 4 17:43:01 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1462C764BC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:43:01 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.472 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.472 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vz2hIQdVV1WA for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:42:59 +0000 (UTC) Received: from fanzine.igalia.com (fanzine.igalia.com [91.117.99.155]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5F2B7635B for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 17:42:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: from maestria.local.igalia.com ([192.168.10.14] helo=mail.igalia.com) by fanzine.igalia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim) id 1ZBRSf-0003TF-Mq; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:42:45 +0200 Received: from webmail.local.igalia.com ([192.168.10.123] helo=webmail.igalia.com) by mail.igalia.com with esmtps (Cipher TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim) id 1ZBRSf-0000vC-H9; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:42:45 +0200 Received: from www-data by webmail.igalia.com with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ZBRSa-0000QH-5K; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 19:42:40 +0200 To: kendell clark X-PHP-Originating-Script: 33:rcmail.php MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 13:42:40 -0400 From: Joanmarie Diggs In-Reply-To: <5597B9A8.3090207@gmail.com> References: <5597B9A8.3090207@gmail.com> Message-ID: <956d22c1f4c0e998db1c5f017d8e1446@igalia.com> X-Sender: jdiggs@igalia.com User-Agent: Roundcube Webmail/0.9.5 Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] some strange characters showing up in gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 17:43:01 -0000 Hi Kendell. I have just committed a change to master which will hopefully solve that. Note that in the case of saying "times" rather than "by", Orca does that in 3.14 as well (i.e. long before any math symbol work was done). In fact if you do a spd-say followed by the string in question, you'll notice "times" is spoken. Long way of saying Orca should send the text in GUI controls as-is to speech-dispatcher and you get what speech-dispatcher gives you. Because you did not provide me any concrete examples for the horizontal ellipsis ("some options in menus" is not sufficiently concrete), I hopefully have fixed that but I cannot verify it. Lastly, the dot dot dot stuff needs feedback from other users. --joanie On 2015-07-04 06:47, kendell clark wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA512 > > hi all > Ever since the math ml support was added to orca, I've been noticing > some strange characters showing up in gnome's menus and dialogs. In > the display settings, the resolutions are said as 1600 x 900 16 ratio > 9 instead of 16 by 9, although I can easily figure out what it means. > Some options in menus have "horrizontal elipsis" said after them. I'm > assuming this is because they have an elipsis character after the > option titles. I'm not complaining, just reporting it. Speaking of > elipsis, orca has for a very long time, said "dot dot dot" when > encountering the usual three periods to indicate a break in speech. > The only reason I mention it is because espeak handles this just fine > natively, and having espeak handle it ... I'm not sure how to put it > exactly, it improves the speech flow? I hesitate to ask for it to be > changed all by myself, I want to get some community feedback. I think > there might be some synths who don't handle this character well. I > know viavoice and espeak both do, but some natural voices might not. I > think if they don't they just pause as if at the end of a sentence. > What does everyone else think? By the way, the math ml code in firefox > is amazing. I hope this can eventually get extended to all browsers, > but what's hear is nice. There are apparently a lot more pages that > use it than I thought. > Thanks > Kendell clark > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v2 > > iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVl7mkAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdJHUP/02PrQbqwSoS5tec796HCosK > ZuSV9QYl+AFyQAA+lv2eiRzy+d64ZcdtmUvuUs2fljAF5RLrBdSTNQEfPQDtACY+ > qF5qzVkktYzbXoiP+N3r+jn0sN7hAzsxgbYmesgnFYJDxmrhrUkYwEyuHBfCZZjZ > 68kL6WMaI6172DA0YfzyvKQIlOOCBMYNY6ZDcAygYl/II9tCxn9DG4WZ5pGJKWfl > dEBnOK07mHqqFr/VycNFKneQcynn3iZNZBN0vFdRCNnLTvCteDsftWcXetRms/XH > Xb4WWBsdv1DO6UBIDfDoCOa1FNv5n6OYBnW4sht+zTzUUYtEoaRx8ZAEumsb7I4z > dvKeuMPqfIlVJYQcp8VGReHUjLI2nDhHWVp9ZwPulJ4C1t0B+c+UamUna87ldGKY > 1xtKpa+nHSIfpKG9/S4LERNo5emWf4T1yuFaFhjxYY+1Gxnw0QwrztiDGNW4XIaX > ravFFergNjbieAMrZowmSb5027HwUj3IefT8aemo2JSi4OiQxVkmbx1B4zt2MJ4V > WZMDSABe9m05vuizlzmruAmIk6/7PYj3SuuucSwcl/RuquVeYKB9rQ3F+7rytDSa > E/9fW+5WSRHzr9Vus55ykpii8If6bh3Rwf7VU3wvIQl1+pqZMCIEf8f0XFdAQyD3 > d8sv4u3Md2drmoSXFbsr > =F02E > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From coffeekingms@gmail.com Sat Jul 4 23:07:54 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 273D9764BC for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 23:07:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A3iL6NjgaXc0 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 23:07:52 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f52.google.com (mail-oi0-f52.google.com [209.85.218.52]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 258AE764B3 for ; Sat, 4 Jul 2015 23:07:41 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oiyy130 with SMTP id y130so97120794oiy.0 for ; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:07:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DeSp6u7EBWaPPrUweCFfwR0JMDv7PaX1jfNYdJQ08eA=; b=J2SIoGfTraV0+wAcjfKjgHiA7EjUnhK+H2OKJ5f/r1/CITd6rNqqwpzmDvuIL5ayZ4 EOF+7pNiQJu2S3vx50cM4HGhI4V7M0gJNtHGZB0Rx8PSOnhCTd/XbDk9pEaS8ZBrb1PM kndb1MQoNlYEoQC99ZtE1y4TCh4m6bvWrmtPjO0jD06tYfFBWmWA4fST6KevlKuwfLg5 ojua4S0yTgbYoP8U7J1QU3MqqvaKPNTBaua/TSRTbqQWmvn7N3tNvU/dVwwS9WFmdTdu j5f8LNFumZdDvkfPkV+FUTqiot7YWOycI/f1q33LrQ7dB9PmS4NARG3beSOyAwUeXb79 PHqQ== X-Received: by 10.202.102.159 with SMTP id m31mr460723oik.112.1436051259950; Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (r74-192-83-213.mnolcmta01.minltx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net. [74.192.83.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id gc7sm7514222obb.26.2015.07.04.16.07.39 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sat, 04 Jul 2015 16:07:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5598673A.8010705@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 18:07:38 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Joanmarie Diggs References: <5597B9A8.3090207@gmail.com> <956d22c1f4c0e998db1c5f017d8e1446@igalia.com> In-Reply-To: <956d22c1f4c0e998db1c5f017d8e1446@igalia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] some strange characters showing up in gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 23:07:54 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi Absolutely true. I'm happy with it the way it is, I was just reporting those characters. Times, by, either is good enough to tell me what I need to know. Long way of saying I agree, orca shouldn't modify the text in transit, grins. Thanks Kendell clark Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hi Kendell. > > I have just committed a change to master which will hopefully > solve that. Note that in the case of saying "times" rather than > "by", Orca does that in 3.14 as well (i.e. long before any math > symbol work was done). In fact if you do a spd-say followed by the > string in question, you'll notice "times" is spoken. Long way of > saying Orca should send the text in GUI controls as-is to > speech-dispatcher and you get what speech-dispatcher gives you. > > Because you did not provide me any concrete examples for the > horizontal ellipsis ("some options in menus" is not sufficiently > concrete), I hopefully have fixed that but I cannot verify it. > > Lastly, the dot dot dot stuff needs feedback from other users. > > --joanie > > On 2015-07-04 06:47, kendell clark wrote: hi all Ever since the > math ml support was added to orca, I've been noticing some strange > characters showing up in gnome's menus and dialogs. In the display > settings, the resolutions are said as 1600 x 900 16 ratio 9 > instead of 16 by 9, although I can easily figure out what it > means. Some options in menus have "horrizontal elipsis" said after > them. I'm assuming this is because they have an elipsis character > after the option titles. I'm not complaining, just reporting it. > Speaking of elipsis, orca has for a very long time, said "dot dot > dot" when encountering the usual three periods to indicate a break > in speech. The only reason I mention it is because espeak handles > this just fine natively, and having espeak handle it ... I'm not > sure how to put it exactly, it improves the speech flow? I hesitate > to ask for it to be changed all by myself, I want to get some > community feedback. I think there might be some synths who don't > handle this character well. I know viavoice and espeak both do, but > some natural voices might not. I think if they don't they just > pause as if at the end of a sentence. What does everyone else > think? By the way, the math ml code in firefox is amazing. I hope > this can eventually get extended to all browsers, but what's hear > is nice. There are apparently a lot more pages that use it than I > thought. Thanks Kendell clark >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing >> list orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The >> manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find >> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmGc6AAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdcVYQAKud753Rka/N3FzlqYGcVfw7 qqj/N8QwBvigfvNFDpRjlrd1eSD90pYGuHZV6/Cy9IEXF7tz5Vl4z9VpKM0P5kG5 VrTK83cN/54tpihQgyUYyd9FCO62Cw8MGDwSy5zG5tR6PMXeuDmUcm0yhPwOxlLU HlN12HTaaxpiMiRgs9trC15gzNu+FdpwHLf7KEjOrOwv2DAzPWs5WZIxorhkzf+k gUtmS3BsNpe2Yql4cLYz58P5eVt/GM64wIZG4H1fomZt5yDysTI3hNPxy2aRBkNt 0b8kLocpyziAX3AJ0QGrzSiX3SfCdqaslk8esZZ3E4qo3j8t9osWORPmYI1N3oKp R9Yxs64T/41TjYlQcugkuAH1RuZ2b3p8oGow3zfJS/neXjRgIGMvNX0nI3QPL3zn DhxDWJ7CSF3URX4rnmvsWarkAcLbmCmOjKqQVEKE7xuLs7nqdoQ6GTMgbzTMVEY/ BL0/PSamqzl9D9xibiaMCRL44Hu3jw+uziHB2QTcmlGkSRVdPccRnuDj7YeK8Gv/ sp1vFCPhWZEWk150dZFrHL2ImsfHTFFEZuzyEFmgPo1Hc4ISsXtzllSQlXihziJC jff2aa2bOvuBLGO5RtIndj4zIis2dydzHbISia4JLegtp/65TGCS42aVFTBsmbHB 0EcEhTvq9fHsqK2+xLj3 =hCLv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Sun Jul 5 04:42:10 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF5937684B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:42:10 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.872 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.872 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cdQd0WjOSM1Q for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:42:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userp1050.oracle.com (userp1050.oracle.com [156.151.31.82]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4FA1476492 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:41:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from userp1040.oracle.com (userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81]) by userp1050.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t654fuO7008705 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:41:57 GMT Received: from userv0021.oracle.com (userv0021.oracle.com [156.151.31.71]) by userp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t654fifK009858 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:41:44 GMT Received: from userv0122.oracle.com (userv0122.oracle.com [156.151.31.75]) by userv0021.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t654fiHn027704 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:41:44 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by userv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t654fi5I013742 for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 04:41:44 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 21:41:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: Orca List X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__1436071303936263677abhmp0006.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: userp1040.oracle.com [156.151.31.81] Subject: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 04:42:10 -0000 --__1436071303936263677abhmp0006.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, =20 I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8. =20 I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system. When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the applica= tion is inaccessible. Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? =20 NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the /usr/lib/jvm/ja= va-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib= /ext folder. Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. =20 Any help would be greatly appreciated. =20 Donald --__1436071303936263677abhmp0006.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

I am ru= nnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8.

=

 

I have java-= 7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system.

<= p class=3DMsoNormal>When I try to open any java swing application orca repo= rts that the application is inaccessible.

Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together?

 

NOTE: the a= ccessibility.properties file is installed in the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjd= k/jre/lib folder,

And the java-atk-wrapp= er.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder.

Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atsp= i2.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Donald

<= /body> --__1436071303936263677abhmp0006.oracle.com-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Jul 5 10:06:33 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C02768AF for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:33 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 500NFKDv8KnN for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:31 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.22]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AA27684B for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3mPQfJ6mg3z744W for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:16 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c2 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:06:16 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-RBLs: [200.150.145.4] [5 smtp-in-c1.mail.alog.com.br.] X-Spam-Detail: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (LSOS-Amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id fsr4L_yavg-n for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:14 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef Received: from [192.168.0.107] (unknown [179.210.91.123]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTPA id 3mPQfF5CHqz73nt; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 10:06:13 +0000 (UTC) References: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> To: Don Raikes , Orca List From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 07:07:57 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------010709020306050402090808" Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 10:06:33 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------010709020306050402090808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don. What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar? Thanks. On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8. > > I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system. > > When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the > application is inaccessible. > > Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? > > NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, > > And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder. > > Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Donald > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza --------------010709020306050402090808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi Don.
What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running?
Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar?
Thanks.


On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

 

I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8.

 

I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system.

When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the application is inaccessible.

Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together?

 

NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder,

And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder.

Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Donald



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That's great news. I love strategy-based board games and have always wanted to play them on my computer. Does Xboard include other stuff like Checkers, go and Bat Gammon?

Many commendations,
Alex M


On 6/28/2015 12:09 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:


On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 6:51 PM, kk <krmane@gmail.com> wrote:
I installed GNU chess, but have no idea how orca will help.
I got some reading happening, but can't figure out how to go further using Orca.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


Dear friends, Currently I am working on XBoard to make it accessible for people with screen reader. This project is undertaken by Portland State University as Google Summer of Code Project and being mentored by HG Muller(from XBoard Team), Samuel Thibault and Arun Persaud. The accessible version will be released as soon as possible.
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orca-list mailing list
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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--------------080201050105080108030604-- From DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM Sun Jul 5 22:40:05 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A2C5768AF for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:40:05 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.771 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.771 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.571, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b0-EdluztzKA for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:40:04 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserp1050.oracle.com (aserp1050.oracle.com [141.146.126.70]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDBC9762EB for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:39:48 +0000 (UTC) Received: from aserp1040.oracle.com (aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69]) by aserp1050.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t65MdkcN014078 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK) for ; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:39:46 GMT Received: from aserv0022.oracle.com (aserv0022.oracle.com [141.146.126.234]) by aserp1040.oracle.com (Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2/Sentrion-MTA-4.3.2) with ESMTP id t65MdXXP007601 (version=TLSv1 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=OK); Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:39:33 GMT Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by aserv0022.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t65MdX25002300 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL); Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:39:33 GMT Received: from abhmp0006.oracle.com (abhmp0006.oracle.com [141.146.116.12]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id t65MdXxg025774; Sun, 5 Jul 2015 22:39:33 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 15:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Don Raikes Sender: Don Raikes To: vilmar@informal.com.br, Orca List References: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9 (901082) [OL 12.0.6691.5000 (x86)] Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="__14361359729111360abhmp0006.oracle.com" X-Source-IP: aserp1040.oracle.com [141.146.126.69] Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:40:05 -0000 --__14361359729111360abhmp0006.oracle.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, =C2=A0 Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni. =C2=A0 Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well. I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to work= . =C2=A0 From: Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br= ]=20 Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM To: Don Raikes; Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible =C2=A0 Hi Don. What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar? Thanks. On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote: Hello, =C2=A0 I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8. =C2=A0 I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system. When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the applica= tion is inaccessible. Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? =C2=A0 NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the /usr/lib/jvm/ja= va-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib= /ext folder. Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. =C2=A0 Any help would be greatly appreciated. =C2=A0 Donald _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list HYPERLINK "mailto:orca-list@gnome.org"orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/= ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=20 Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza --__14361359729111360abhmp0006.oracle.com Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

= Hi,

 

Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 = as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni.

 

Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessi= ble as well.

I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get th= is to work.

 

= From: Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza [= mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 = AM
To: Don Raikes; Orca List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] j= ava applications reported as inaccessible

=

 

Hi Don.
What version of java-atk-wrapper are you runn= ing?
Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar?
Thanks.

On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote:<= o:p>

Hello,

 

I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was b= ased on debian wheezy 7.8.

 

I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper= installed on the system.

When I try to = open any java swing application orca reports that the application is inacce= ssible.

Is there a trick to getting java= and orca to work together?

 <= /o:p>

NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is in= stalled in the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder,

And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/jav= a-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder.

Libatk-b= ridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2.

 

Any help would be greatly ap= preciated.

 

Donald




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[74.192.83.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id w8sm9013044oec.7.2015.07.05.15.44.29 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jul 2015 15:44:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5599B34D.4090801@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 17:44:29 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Don Raikes , vilmar@informal.com.br, Orca List References: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> In-Reply-To: <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:44:46 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi Well, if it's any consolation, there's a ton of work being done at gsoc 2015 to make java applications a lot more accessible with orca. I don't know if you're missing a dependency or if java atk wrapper just isn't working for whatever application you're trying to use. Thanks Kendell clark Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, > > > > Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is > libatk-wrapper-java-jni. > > > > Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well. > > I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this > to work. > > > > From: Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br] > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM To: Don Raikes; Orca List > Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as > inaccessible > > > > Hi Don. What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? Did you > try to test using SwingSet2.jar? 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I don't know i= f you're missing a dependency or if java atk wrapper just isn't working for= whatever application you're trying to use. Thanks Kendell clark Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, >=20 >=20 >=20 > Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well. >=20 > I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to=20 > work. >=20 >=20 >=20 > From: Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br] > Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM To: Don Raikes; Orca List > Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible >=20 >=20 >=20 > Hi Don. What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? Did you > try to test using SwingSet2.jar? Thanks. >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote: >=20 > Hello, >=20 >=20 >=20 > I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy > 7.8. >=20 >=20 >=20 > I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the > system. >=20 > When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the > application is inaccessible. >=20 > Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? >=20 >=20 >=20 > NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, >=20 > And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder. >=20 > Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Any help would be greatly appreciated. >=20 >=20 >=20 > Donald >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > list HYPERLINK "mailto:orca-list@gnome.org"orca-list@gnome.org=20 > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >=20 The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > list orca-list@gnome.org=20 > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >=20 The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >=20 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmbNJAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTd4xAP/1NY1WrnOhZcOWFB7QiDBswO ODDLuNJz76UTicSLalaIkcYGglN+i0hfXTrq8ayJWuo2YVdh1QULcHG4ObVjiUQL CYhCl6+8MbEO8FVAAlWzyiDKz0/p8S5uTxkMgPZuX3PmwL8TWBYPfLDetJdKsd1J s6Tq2hlCamaaEeMvBZYaL93d4vI/k5XQmGyFipprAAqcAldTRJ1nFBI+trtxJoPC 44DBphvypA4jfToXyVyaw55mHZFlfog2o5XxVNrNCVo8eIP08CVR71bY/4LFoBPU ytgFDEBE5ZaMcTP3KXQz9GaZ/dVdLIwF+EHGmpG9x7HdZwlaNo++Ds6+qzyPIMCb sQh0vTFWx2wmsrQDOAz2ZvFsoP/8V8VzpCOXiK84t8EtRidME4XwfIQ2+c0e7H+F ptgcS4CVrELlqA6/CAsgx7FmRFarc+Cb5lp+RM5AzIuOqZ9cedeqXd7aGE1sMvDZ 6Vrufd2/LwafRkr9lbWqSXasDOhJzFp3vTn3W3QYlW1NVnXtqN9ldYNtN2m6vQDn CXWGUaELRbuZPBbxrdqlLtliSRiCJJ6ZQVpaPBj47yhc0aXmSXscSf2ruvucVniq 4CfSC3I+QWTt3e0jF/deeyuWw9tKgoriUvwZSwGUk6LUlbh6DKrR/cmQv5iimuHq T26F07fknMBDQoEXOE5p =3DCH7V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Jul 6 03:03:24 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C23CC768B8 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:03:23 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id frZNWa3c0kj2 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:03:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.22]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A2F762EB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:03:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3mPsCb1d3tz73nc for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:03:07 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c2 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:03:07 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. X-Spam-RBLs: [200.150.145.4] [5 smtp-in-c1.mail.alog.com.br.] X-Spam-Detail: * -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP * 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (LSOS-Amavis, port 10024) with ESMTP id QtPhFg7AQn7Q for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:03:04 +0000 (UTC) X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef X-WhiteBlackList-Status: undef Received: from [192.168.0.107] (unknown [179.210.91.123]) (Authenticated sender: vilmar@informal.com.br) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTPA id 3mPsCW5h2Nz73n9; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:03:03 +0000 (UTC) References: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> To: Don Raikes , Orca List From: =?UTF-8?Q?Jos=c3=a9_Vilmar_Est=c3=a1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica LTDA Message-ID: <5599F04F.80607@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 00:04:47 -0300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:38.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/38.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------050501010805030709020902" Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:03:24 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------050501010805030709020902 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi. Could you run SwingSet2.jar useing the following command? java -jar -Dassistive_technologies=org.GNOME.Accessibility.AtkWrapper -verbose:jni SwingSet2.jar Perhaps the result helps in some way. Thanks. On 07/05/2015 07:39 PM, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hi, > > Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni. > > Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well. > > I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to > work. > > *From:*José Vilmar Estácio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM > *To:* Don Raikes; Orca List > *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible > > Hi Don. > What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? > Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar? > Thanks. > > On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8. > > I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the > system. > > When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that > the application is inaccessible. > > Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? > > NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, > > And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder. > > Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Donald > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > -- > José Vilmar Estácio de Souza -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza --------------050501010805030709020902 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi.
Could you run SwingSet2.jar useing the following command?
java -jar -Dassistive_technologies=org.GNOME.Accessibility.AtkWrapper -verbose:jni SwingSet2.jar
Perhaps the result helps in some way.
Thanks.




On 07/05/2015 07:39 PM, Don Raikes wrote:

Hi,

 

Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni.

 

Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well.

I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to work.

 

From: José Vilmar Estácio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM
To: Don Raikes; Orca List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible

 

Hi Don.
What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running?
Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar?
Thanks.

On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote:

Hello,

 

I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8.

 

I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system.

When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the application is inaccessible.

Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together?

 

NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder,

And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder.

Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2.

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

 

Donald




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[76.184.51.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id y1sm888472oia.8.2015.07.05.20.16.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jul 2015 20:16:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5599F2FF.7000900@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:16:15 -0500 From: Alex Midence User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B. Henry" , Al Sten-Clanton , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <5597000E.4040608@gmail.com> <5597138D.5090402@verizon.net> <20150703232141.GF12063@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20150703232141.GF12063@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display\ X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:16:31 -0000 I had to learn various braille codes in my adventures in linguistics back when. I am a native Spanish speaker and never learned grade two Spanish braille. I did learn, of all things, German grade two. I haven't seen French grade two but know the grade 1. Same for Italian Portuguese and, oddly enough, Hebrew. I am fortunate enough to have a refreshable braille device that I use at the job but would love one for home use that I purchased with my own money and not one I got from the state. I think it's hugely important for us to be able to afford as many adaptive devices as we can with an average salary for a developed country. The sad thing is that, the super high prices stuff doesn't use any majorly expensive components or top-of-the-line tech in all cases. It's just put to a very specialized use in a very specialized manner. Couple that with patents and a limited pool of people who know how to work on them and you have the situation we are in. So, again, eBook reader or not, I welcome this device and feel like scrounging up the cash to buy it just to support the effort. If it's Open Source and runs off a Raspberry Pie engine, I see great potential in its future if it's taken up by enough of the right kind of people. Alex M On 7/3/2015 6:21 PM, B. Henry wrote: > This is still a prototype as I understand it, but I have no reason to think it does, or does not have grade II ability now. > If grade II capability has not been incorperated yet it certainly should be befor the device is brought to market. I'd think handling different > languages and contracted braille should be rather trivial. > As far as I know in English grade2 is the worldwide standard for everythinig other than some little kids books. In Spanish however few folks know > grade2, and I've never seen much content available in grade2 Spanish braille either. I'm not at all sure about other languages, but think it's a mixed > bag. Many languages use accents, and maybe even extra letters that use up a number of the symbols that could otherwise be used by grade2 braille. In > Spanish we certainly have some of this, but French has even more accents and I think grade2 French is rather more common than grade2 Spanish. > > > > > From alex.midence@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 03:21:31 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE442765C6 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:21:31 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b1J4vaEdnCaE for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:21:30 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C90A762EB for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 03:21:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbkm3 with SMTP id km3so98559350obb.1 for ; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Nmgg/GP8+jb2xWolxeC1j39/0gyGWhdc6hP2pDmm75Y=; b=nDVL647JqkgMhS54iZgZACIWK4cMQnWdV7/eCsDpZ+6TqwBZnit0ZuMT2pBM81npPL 0+NsSwEXnfK6eJ5kc5EN1cqFci3sFoDSn0I7lAjDzMuX+tBDa+eq2r6CU8AykW0BUAQ5 LA05MC+Oy+umI/t3sQziInEN1540ijEkbxBKUMECpVrFpHJYAAcHsFMYsVJPDBZymntk 5/NyEwGnQBFD12TMkV46OiIlV5BG9bPurbqizc9ZxtrMBTOjsF4rnhJlr/L4YLkrtXqg YiskjoiNhTxZfpx1YgQth11Rl1+IHMPDr80Qq1rmh6+kNzFkoLTvqs40vu2UxrjL1pg+ g07g== X-Received: by 10.182.200.131 with SMTP id js3mr44862516obc.58.1436152878500; Sun, 05 Jul 2015 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.3] (cpe-76-184-51-183.tx.res.rr.com. [76.184.51.183]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 207sm9507972oib.6.2015.07.05.20.21.17 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Sun, 05 Jul 2015 20:21:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 05 Jul 2015 22:21:16 -0500 From: Alex Midence User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.3; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:21:31 -0000 Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a cramp and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? OMG! A slate and stylus!! Alex M On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: > Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization and formatting is different when one has a physical display as opposed to having to > imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this difference can be night and day. Looking at computer code being able to touch indention > would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. > It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille e-book reader, and > having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool also for some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being connected to a > device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud to my daughter so that she could have followed along looking at pictures and later > print words. > We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that there were not more > titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more Spanish language content. A braille e-book reading device would probably have > helped with both issues. > Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading sessions, camping trips, > etc., but compared with nothing... > I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough for most non > math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions of much of > a tesxtbook with > a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or a social life. > Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both paper and > electronic, in to the lives of more people. > From coffeekingms@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 10:51:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E66A076A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:51:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nUVVF1vXch14 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:51:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f178.google.com (mail-ob0-f178.google.com [209.85.214.178]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEB23768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 10:51:45 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbnt2 with SMTP id nt2so23358810obb.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:51:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8VnVEkK22wKzPd+WPBUC3oklH9yoR6Wu3pB4F8qBfiU=; b=Xsz8kD0SFDwAhc++WrE7Dz8a3zlBw0ZzO0jV7jdOxIq8P5ePGOih3u9Uxf/7kH0zCg ufM/Jjx2G9huq4mdsbxGPBowBxn/l/8eW+m8EQkYQxILoL5id9JGKvY/QmPOURU9RrVy UFLFgMF0kj2de8P3sNAEN3PKVeevuYlyjwB/26nnw04waBBMw5OCUOFdwliLVx/jD3YF UiVCZZMuad461/NW2mEvxF8Bh/ozi0O6iYaCnddpS62c9TmZopg780Moxhu24JXbtMEm UeKOB9m2QFRKk1+uaHy4VCrrQKIjJX0mFulddZn4PjN/D8j9xg5Jl8U1MiK8V5J64bHf A0DQ== X-Received: by 10.60.39.65 with SMTP id n1mr7803193oek.31.1436179903781; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (r74-192-83-213.mnolcmta01.minltx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net. [74.192.83.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id l5sm9802678oey.5.2015.07.06.03.51.43 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 03:51:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559A5DBE.6050303@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:51:42 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] saving orca settings to be used on the log on screen X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 10:51:57 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi all I've been wondering this for a while and decided to write in. I use orca with gdm to manage users and log in. I've noticed that when turning orca on on the log on screen for the first time, orca essentially generates a blank default profile and copies into the user directory, just like it does for anyone else, in this case /var/lib/gdm. However, I'm not sure if it's a bug in gdm or something else, you're unable to access orca's preferences from the login screen. Trying just doesn't open the preferences dialog. If this were possible I could just alter the settings and they would be saved. This works in lightdm, the other accessible log in manager. This got me thinking. Could there be at some point, a "save settings to log in screen" or similar option, maybe in the general tab, that would save these settings to the currently active dm? I don't know if there's a login manager agnostic way of accomplishing this or whether we would have to include code in orca to handle each individual login manager, since they usually save their settings to a local user named after the login manager, but I'm not sure if all of them do this or just some. Just something to think about and it's not urgent. Thanks Kendell clark -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVml26AAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTd2TMP+wQbHEvfhm76GOaym8dhJ9hO HoKUkYEKgwpyFtLV3cYzI8pDckVuGGnY5+eiySfVFwg5WPzY0BiEdnYxgHAuH1+L 2WozesHoua7JapMVhJZGVJfSa4AEt6UCKJt69D2sE3St7dMKzl7uN7gVZrkaGKrv 3mZgNAlfFmoCFqytq4nKzF4O/Palcun7MXJmnKUeA0fX+cscJRgmRoVCdN2EIj6N VBHar2Zmwb3DfXJERvUfusK8c8D/htlkWIRjBUPANiFTK0iCo9OmrPj5lEbMAlpO 5fDdD41XMFM/KJd8neGZqQxzBfHuMvrxaOeABy8ID4ylhA3G+cMwWfRXZ7UptVe0 fcKEEEzaQqgcwEGRc/evQSoGXrg+bCbXlbaqbqxpt6F6qq6oIxxqizH9e2Aey/eb yNAr/AYtPKbU5hj4A7BDrUGUKZ4hSPQBlCoKDGjVTViImMa1MgXk289EKkqn4fCK lE+azIUiJuiP5olW0wGvNHDx/zYX4i5Flq5wwbSbUyQa8TigLSb0U0eSs5r0H3Nu PgSHNqTD3vwElSMs8/oeATgHrN7u6jrjclXTyM7O41SwQC1E1N3rpm9H4967cYvq 3v5c3ow9Ndb7mprL6zCFG41iL5lDWRAaCK8pQoqS0RsSATZOrq5RW4fbMKISWHVA GWBuXqQy4qzwbTNJ8eeX =3NNq -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From chaltain@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:11:37 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D54576A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:11:37 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abz_CAYNZsGK for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:11:36 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ob0-f180.google.com (mail-ob0-f180.google.com [209.85.214.180]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0238D768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:11:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: by obbkm3 with SMTP id km3so105214510obb.1 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:11:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=jdkQ2jiOvD9wY/TihAuXjzc++A/ARCatUMN6B93/ThE=; b=AWkd74fYePk+FTElhZObwg/4+dUq1C4Xf75BeQFS0qoDCeEJ62szOCNfcB+ZB2Etji OVbS+X9vo74sd5b2dTMaD0eWzIH4D1+WHrS+rKAWuklVkyeiVa9Zq7B5r3gQfSD5UPUt dcMSL2jdNf6x/ciw0wZQmC+qEVvi36lOwBc1Nn325/c72rl+wqz2Zep1p2vhLSvcQYko aXZqeXhPnsYkisK6JaXysQ//klMatCs/8jnMb+SS5qAEgYbp9b0H4s53IDQO6nkFGVqe Xt/28BWYsQMM4sfXjyJgDTGqHwVaJW7jg1H19UmaaUZfd3xQTy/4ZHMeF+p8QTX6JqtT 4+nQ== X-Received: by 10.202.102.159 with SMTP id m31mr6523427oik.112.1436184683917; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.4] (74-194-136-65.gtwncmta01.res.dyn.suddenlink.net. [74.194.136.65]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id oo10sm9885309oeb.0.2015.07.06.05.11.22 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:11:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:11:21 -0500 From: Christopher Chaltain User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Midence , "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:11:37 -0000 A slate and stylus is a lot more portable than a Perkins Brailler. Being able to use a slate and stylus is a good skill to have. On 07/05/2015 10:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it > through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a cramp > and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? OMG! A > slate and stylus!! > > Alex M > > > > > On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization >> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as opposed >> to having to >> imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this >> difference can be night and day. Looking at computer code being able >> to touch indention >> would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. >> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose >> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille >> e-book reader, and >> having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool >> also for some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being >> connected to a >> device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud >> to my daughter so that she could have followed along looking at >> pictures and later >> print words. >> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids >> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that >> there were not more >> titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more >> Spanish language content. A braille e-book reading device would >> probably have >> helped with both issues. >> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy braille >> or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading sessions, >> camping trips, >> etc., but compared with nothing... >> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more >> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough >> for most non >> math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but >> when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions >> of much of >> a tesxtbook with >> a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less >> work or a social life. >> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and >> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both >> paper and >> electronic, in to the lives of more people. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From m.berns@thismagpie.com Mon Jul 6 12:52:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 088D276A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:52:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OG2IeRw9jS6T for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:52:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-wi0-f172.google.com (mail-wi0-f172.google.com [209.85.212.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0B2C768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:52:38 +0000 (UTC) Received: by wiga1 with SMTP id a1so227945174wig.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:cc:content-type; bh=jj229TsvCt5ciq/2GRRy1srFDVfaiUTW2ozC6er5Ze4=; b=HkJG78wMZvcWhDW6um0T2y94E3e7Eof7AIXvybkctwJlMDes0tBpOVyNPo9pyTHOPk qI2XrkJGU0Cxr4hfgQn7u4FaLzulQ7xh8h2zlA2aGAC5N6F2oc1KoWY9fC7vuYzCtUtj YRYhJr+UNxVDyvLzV8zW1UjZKsHS+1iubpdTwIRFISiN1xuewyZvDmeLtk0dmP/fwkae vyDVj3PaBqZV4yZ7f8SIy4fVxHEmHnNzIRiCmTr2tSn/27ZpuczFjRVEgGBBVELcmIgZ Y27Rp/tD/UYNKE/aeQyZanJWdN+KBE9bPI2l88c2sRac5O2zfnNBCXC/ZD9CavVNWeZA Ef0Q== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQmx7+Vr6BJbdhzUhBEH6Rxwr6g2nC9HbUwjJZJk+UHn5xpm4LVyZvrjz7RtHPObb/9/4DOn MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Received: by 10.180.188.139 with SMTP id ga11mr53201688wic.7.1436187156387; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:52:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.194.111.1 with HTTP; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 05:52:36 -0700 (PDT) X-Originating-IP: [82.43.96.190] In-Reply-To: <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> References: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 13:52:36 +0100 Message-ID: From: Magdalen Berns To: Don Raikes Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c2593c49b1b0051a3461df Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:52:56 -0000 --001a11c2593c49b1b0051a3461df Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Don, Thank you for getting in touch with us about the problem which you have encountered (and thanks to everyone else who has already replied offering helpful suggestions about this!) It sounds like an infuriating issue! Aside from SwingSet, it would be useful for me to know what other specific java apps this issue has prevented you from using with orca? The rest of my response is inline: On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Don Raikes wrote: > Hi, > > > > Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni. > Firstly, please check you have the openjdk-accessibility extension installed and install it if it is not. However, I reckon in this case the particular version you happen to have installed is the most likely to be the source of the problem. Backstory: Prior to 0.30.5 (which was released from git.gnome.org in September of 2014) the java-atk-wrapper had not actually been actively maintained by anyone since 2011 and as I recall, even the build process had really had gotten quite broken by that point (I am not sure how the packagers got round that at the time, but credit to their packaging skills, they managed it) I reckon it's probably just not worth your time to try to get the version you have installed working; under the circumstances, I advise you seek a later version of the wrapper and ensure you clean 0.30.4-3 off your desktop completely before installing it too (but be careful not to remove any packages which depend on it or which it depends on itself, in the process). Although it's worth emphasising that the development version is technically the unstable version - in this particular case, the latest git release (which is 0.33.1). should actually be more stable than the one you currently have installed and should at least resolve this particular proble= m If your distro doesn't already provide a package to try an update with, then there are some instructions on how to build, run and test the wrapper on its dedicated wiki page.[1] if you do end up going down that route, then I would be grateful if you could please let us know how you get on with it and please feel free to report any other bugs which you may come across! In the meantime, I hope the background information helps you solve this without too much sweat! Magdalen [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/JavaAtkWrapper > > Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well. > > I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to > work. > > > > *From:* Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.co= m.br] > *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM > *To:* Don Raikes; Orca List > *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible > > > > Hi Don. > What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? > Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar? > Thanks. > > On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote: > > Hello, > > > > I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8. > > > > I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system. > > When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the > application is inaccessible. > > Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? > > > > NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, > > And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder. > > Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > Donald > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > -- > > Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > --001a11c2593c49b1b0051a3461df Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Don,

Thank you for getting in touch = with us about the problem which you have encountered (and thanks to everyon= e else who has already replied offering helpful suggestions about this!)

It sounds like an infuriating issue! Aside from Swin= gSet, it would be useful for me to know what other specific java apps this = issue has prevented you from using with orca?


=
The rest of my response is inline:

On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Don= Raikes <DON.RAIKES@oracle.com> wrote:

Hi,=

= =C2=A0

Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrappe= r-java-jni.


Firstly,= please check you have the openjdk-accessibility extension installed and in= stall it if it is not. However, I reckon in this case the particular versio= n you happen to have installed is the most likely to be the source of the p= roblem. Backstory:

Prior to 0.30.5 (which was rele= ased from git.gnome.org in September o= f 2014) =C2=A0the java-atk-wrapper had not actually been actively maintaine= d by anyone since 2011 and as I recall, even the build process had really h= ad gotten quite broken by that point (I am not sure how the packagers got r= ound that at the time, but credit to their packaging skills, they managed i= t)

I reckon it's probably just not worth your = time to try to get the version you have installed working; under the circum= stances, I advise you seek a later version of the wrapper and ensure you cl= ean 0.30.4-3 off your desktop completely before installing it too (but be c= areful not to remove any packages which depend on it or which it depends on= itself, in the process).

Although it's worth = emphasising that the development version is technically the unstable versio= n - in this particular case, the latest git release (which is 0.33.1). shou= ld actually be more stable than the one you currently have installed and sh= ould at least resolve this particular problem

If y= our distro doesn't already provide a package to try an update with, the= n there are some instructions on how to build, run and test the wrapper on = its dedicated wiki page.[1] if you do end up going down that route, then I = would be grateful if you could please let us know how you get on with it an= d please feel free to report any other bugs which you may come across!=C2= =A0

In the meantime, I hope the background informa= tion helps you solve this without too much sweat!

= Magdalen


=C2=A0

=

Running swingse= t2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well.

I feel like I am missin= g a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to work.<= /p>

=C2= =A0

From: Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio d= e Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.com.br]
Sent: Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM=
To: Don Raikes; Orca List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] jav= a applications reported as inaccessible

=C2=A0

Hi Don.
What version of java-atk-wrapper are yo= u running?
Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar?
Thanks.

On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Rai= kes wrote:

Hello,

=C2=A0

I am runnin kali li= nux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8.

=C2=A0

I have java-7= -openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system.

When I try to open any java swing application orca = reports that the application is inaccessible.

Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together?

=C2=A0

NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the /usr/li= b/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder,

And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/l= ib/ext folder.

Libatk-bridge2.0-0 i= s installed as is python-atspi2.

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Any help would be greatly ap= preciated.

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Donald


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ormation on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.htm=
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Or=
ca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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--001a11c2593c49b1b0051a3461df-- From joshknnd1982@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 12:58:20 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECF5176A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:58:20 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RvvU1gRA4oam for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:58:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-qk0-f176.google.com (mail-qk0-f176.google.com [209.85.220.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F6E9768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 12:58:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: by qkhu186 with SMTP id u186so116098104qkh.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:58:06 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=VEZjkG7T6F3Jnwsc0GtDXmgInEH+/nYVFwTng0Kj/9k=; b=0vbrwd4CWhEnvFp0CQ1CdMERoLPMts701qG09yCxA2QeiFSkVGZTZ+bxRISIZDJaYf ouGsx4QJygJs1hzUiH+r2N2wbwXXq4WqI3h/vbIuhu5vubSEtsjKbemaiRCUMTlM4cZW R0ubowmgF3yjaaRbHUEDF6jzuOxLeGYFHmbkaDKCnzX0NMS0mmF0Jkhrse9YxENvyHug CwhfloDSNQF8kQiNhMkwnEsZ/2IidEfOKzs/xcXodizwkA2VPiCAMsjPn8ihmx/j3d1A Dbb7ceutpF/9GZS5TEdPKYw5OEgSZ8UusCKYSKhNuqayizWtFjunxFBB9q5fcpsQ8ObB BKGg== X-Received: by 10.55.21.204 with SMTP id 73mr94989358qkv.27.1436187486832; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?IPv6:2601:989:c000:7195:cca8:7f1:7425:8d72? ([2601:989:c000:7195:cca8:7f1:7425:8d72]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 29sm9205929qkr.47.2015.07.06.05.58.05 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 05:58:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559A7B5C.6050500@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:58:04 -0400 From: Josh K User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Chaltain , Alex Midence , "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 12:58:21 -0000 yes I tought myself how to use a slate and stylus and I am very glad I can use one now. sure wish I had that skill 14 or so years back in college. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/6/2015 8:11 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote: > A slate and stylus is a lot more portable than a Perkins Brailler. > Being able to use a slate and stylus is a good skill to have. > > On 07/05/2015 10:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it >> through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a cramp >> and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? OMG! A >> slate and stylus!! >> >> Alex M >> >> >> >> >> On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization >>> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as opposed >>> to having to >>> imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this >>> difference can be night and day. Looking at computer code being able >>> to touch indention >>> would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. >>> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose >>> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille >>> e-book reader, and >>> having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool >>> also for some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being >>> connected to a >>> device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud >>> to my daughter so that she could have followed along looking at >>> pictures and later >>> print words. >>> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids >>> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that >>> there were not more >>> titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more >>> Spanish language content. A braille e-book reading device would >>> probably have >>> helped with both issues. >>> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy braille >>> or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading sessions, >>> camping trips, >>> etc., but compared with nothing... >>> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more >>> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough >>> for most non >>> math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but >>> when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions >>> of much of >>> a tesxtbook with >>> a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less >>> work or a social life. >>> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and >>> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both >>> paper and >>> electronic, in to the lives of more people. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From alex.midence@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 14:25:50 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC08769BA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:25:50 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vKmsV_IcUNtm for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:25:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ig0-f173.google.com (mail-ig0-f173.google.com [209.85.213.173]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6D37768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:25:34 +0000 (UTC) Received: by igh16 with SMTP id 16so26207268igh.0 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:25:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=0xfp+oZ7eCa1nif0a/8ylWyoKn6ClIy1kd5eE9hjbj0=; b=Skyv1PhGlTdMz+O2c/xPXsugKPPlhI9G7Kjemw3NOBVuD9R+M0PktQ3RX0VIOm2HTp PjHBMK2b8mmQkzEWpOnomfp6XVzjrK9iYGgS1b+xo9RchRM3FpFqC7c2p3E/Rdi29xyz CyosO7xpZt6uqc97m+f5AObVlH0x1Ocs8miG/rsVPfpgt3rbIL5UB6xqHcsUrNe8oxM+ xOcCR57EsLt+dJiYS945tCe0LnEYfklg/YsZNSTSEVSShiXq7hLenFFb+xyRFiYY+uVW lBgFBf9aeVECZCqB+Jt2aT7IY+dsWA8C7qxqiAkafmLzrhGdyCp5+ktKZeQyE+2ApFyA aQbQ== X-Received: by 10.107.157.4 with SMTP id g4mr73618082ioe.66.1436192732501; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:25:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DALLMIDENCE ([74.116.173.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d8sm9766655igl.19.2015.07.06.07.25.31 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 07:25:31 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Midence X-Google-Original-From: "Alex Midence" To: "'Christopher Chaltain'" , "'B. Henry'" , References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 09:25:11 -0500 Message-ID: <019e01d0b7f7$91cf6e40$b56e4ac0$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKo74l9wcEm9KU15JjUUndggGoeogJz7WJVARyR5oEB8rBnlgKKV8A0ArRaQ34CB25Jc5u3xUow Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:25:50 -0000 Yeah, it's pretty handy for jotting down short notes and phone numbers = and things like that but for doing an entire homework assignment, it's = got to be pure murder! =20 Alex M -----Original Message----- From: Christopher Chaltain [mailto:chaltain@gmail.com]=20 Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:11 AM To: Alex Midence; B. Henry; orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display A slate and stylus is a lot more portable than a Perkins Brailler. Being = able to use a slate and stylus is a good skill to have. On 07/05/2015 10:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it > through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a=20 > cramp and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? =20 > OMG! A slate and stylus!! > > Alex M > > > > > On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization=20 >> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as=20 >> opposed to having to imagine relative position of words and symbols.=20 >> For math this difference can be night and day. Looking at computer=20 >> code being able to touch indention would save time and make for a=20 >> much smoother mental work flow I think. >> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose=20 >> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille=20 >> e-book reader, and having stand alone e-book reading capability is=20 >> actually pretty cool also for some of the situations you bring up.=20 >> That being said, being connected to a device with a visual display=20 >> would have been nice when I read outloud to my daughter so that she=20 >> could have followed along looking at pictures and later print words. >> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids=20 >> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that=20 >> there were not more titles available...lol, but also it would have=20 >> been nice to have more Spanish language content. A braille e-book=20 >> reading device would probably have helped with both issues. >> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy=20 >> braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading=20 >> sessions, camping trips, etc., but compared with nothing... >> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more=20 >> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough = >> for most non math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for=20 >> exams, but when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy=20 >> braille versions of much of a tesxtbook with a slate and stylus=20 >> there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or a social=20 >> life. >> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and=20 >> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both=20 >> paper and electronic, in to the lives of more people. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out=20 > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- Christopher (CJ) chaltain at Gmail From albert.e.sten_clanton@verizon.net Mon Jul 6 14:58:12 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5060769BA for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:58:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.564 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.564 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RP_MATCHES_RCVD=-0.663, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KF4dX9p2Nbwh for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:58:11 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 3631 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:58:11 UTC Received: from vms173025pub.verizon.net (vms173025pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.25]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CAE1C768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 14:57:56 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.2] ([71.174.190.246]) by vms173025.mailsrvcs.net (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7.0.5.32.0 64bit (built Jul 16 2014)) with ESMTPA id <0NR200LNGK359S80@vms173025.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 08:57:10 -0500 (CDT) X-CMAE-Score: 0 X-CMAE-Analysis: v=2.1 cv=DcDq0aZW c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=lzvgDVCC0YOmoAlkSNyoew==:117 a=o1OHuDzbAAAA:8 a=oR5dmqMzAAAA:8 a=BGi6d-X4uLYA:10 a=-9mUelKeXuEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=zOBTXjUuO1YA:10 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=9WdNpgkdy8lG7m48dcAA:9 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=Un6_-olZ3M8A:10 Message-id: <559A8926.1020709@verizon.net> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 09:56:54 -0400 From: Al Sten-Clanton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:24.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/24.6.0 MIME-version: 1.0 To: Alex Midence , "B. Henry" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> In-reply-to: <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> Content-type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-transfer-encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 14:58:13 -0000 I knew and very much envied some folks who could write with those things faster than a speeding bullet. I was functional, but several serious tries to get good with them still saw me lagging behind a drunk turtle. Al On 7/5/2015 11:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: > Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it > through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a cramp > and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? OMG! A > slate and stylus!! > > Alex M > > > > > On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization >> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as opposed >> to having to >> imagine relative position of words and symbols. For math this >> difference can be night and day. Looking at computer code being able >> to touch indention >> would save time and make for a much smoother mental work flow I think. >> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose >> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille >> e-book reader, and >> having stand alone e-book reading capability is actually pretty cool >> also for some of the situations you bring up. That being said, being >> connected to a >> device with a visual display would have been nice when I read outloud >> to my daughter so that she could have followed along looking at >> pictures and later >> print words. >> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids >> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that >> there were not more >> titles available...lol, but also it would have been nice to have more >> Spanish language content. A braille e-book reading device would >> probably have >> helped with both issues. >> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy braille >> or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading sessions, >> camping trips, >> etc., but compared with nothing... >> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more >> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough >> for most non >> math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for exams, but >> when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy braille versions >> of much of >> a tesxtbook with >> a slate and stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less >> work or a social life. >> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and >> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both >> paper and >> electronic, in to the lives of more people. > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > From mike@raspberryvi.org Mon Jul 6 19:49:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65BA5768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:49:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.9 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MGwm2IXJ2WVj for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:49:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Greylist: delayed 410 seconds by postgrey-1.34 at restaurant.gnome.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:49:28 UTC Received: from rgout0507.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (rgout0507.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk [65.20.0.228]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 340FE76A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 19:49:12 +0000 (UTC) X-OWM-Source-IP: 86.166.101.6(GB) X-OWM-Env-Sender: mike.ray@btinternet.com X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A090205.559ADA21.0002, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-Junkmail-Premium-Raw: score=28/50, refid=2.7.2:2015.6.19.144216:17:28.905, ip=86.166.101.6, rules=__MOZILLA_MSGID, __HAS_MSGID, __SANE_MSGID, __HAS_FROM, __HAS_REPLYTO, __USER_AGENT, __MOZILLA_USER_AGENT, __MIME_VERSION, __TO_MALFORMED_2, __TO_NO_NAME, __BOUNCE_CHALLENGE_SUBJ, __BOUNCE_NDR_SUBJ_EXEMPT, __SUBJ_ALPHA_END, __REFERENCES, __IN_REP_TO, __CT, __CT_TEXT_PLAIN, __CTE, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ADDY, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_ACC, __REPLYTO_SAMEAS_FROM_DOMAIN, __ANY_URI, NINJA_TLD, __HTTPS_URI, URI_1ST_CAP_SUBDIR, URI_ENDS_IN_HTML, __FRAUD_BODY_WEBMAIL, __MAL_TELEKOM_URI, __CP_NAME_BODY, __CP_URI_IN_BODY, __FRAUD_BADTHINGS, __CP_NOT_1, __SUBJ_ALPHA_NEGATE, BODY_ENDS_IN_URL, __FORWARDED_MSG, BODY_SIZE_4000_4999, __MIME_TEXT_ONLY, RDNS_GENERIC_POOLED, __URI_NS, SXL_IP_DYNAMIC[6.101.166.86.fur], HTML_00_01, HTML_00_10, BODY_SIZE_5000_LESS, RDNS_SUSP_GENERIC, RDNS_SUSP, __FRAUD_WEBMAIL, BODY_SIZE_7000_LESS, REFERENCES X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown Received: from [192.168.0.125] (86.166.101.6) by rgout05.bt.lon5.cpcloud.co.uk (8.6.122.06) (authenticated as mike.ray@btinternet.com) id 5584347401F70F8F for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:42:20 +0100 Message-ID: <559ADA24.9040409@raspberryvi.org> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:42:28 +0100 From: Mike Ray User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> <019e01d0b7f7$91cf6e40$b56e4ac0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <019e01d0b7f7$91cf6e40$b56e4ac0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike@raspberryvi.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 19:49:30 -0000 How about a Stainsby Brailler? A lot more portable than a Perkins. On 06/07/2015 15:25, Alex Midence wrote: > Yeah, it's pretty handy for jotting down short notes and phone numbers and things like that but for doing an entire homework assignment, it's got to be pure murder! > > Alex M > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Chaltain [mailto:chaltain@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:11 AM > To: Alex Midence; B. Henry; orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display > > A slate and stylus is a lot more portable than a Perkins Brailler. Being able to use a slate and stylus is a good skill to have. > > On 07/05/2015 10:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it >> through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a >> cramp and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? >> OMG! A slate and stylus!! >> >> Alex M >> >> >> >> >> On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization >>> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as >>> opposed to having to imagine relative position of words and symbols. >>> For math this difference can be night and day. Looking at computer >>> code being able to touch indention would save time and make for a >>> much smoother mental work flow I think. >>> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose >>> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille >>> e-book reader, and having stand alone e-book reading capability is >>> actually pretty cool also for some of the situations you bring up. >>> That being said, being connected to a device with a visual display >>> would have been nice when I read outloud to my daughter so that she >>> could have followed along looking at pictures and later print words. >>> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids >>> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that >>> there were not more titles available...lol, but also it would have >>> been nice to have more Spanish language content. A braille e-book >>> reading device would probably have helped with both issues. >>> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy >>> braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading >>> sessions, camping trips, etc., but compared with nothing... >>> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more >>> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough >>> for most non math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for >>> exams, but when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy >>> braille versions of much of a tesxtbook with a slate and stylus >>> there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or a social >>> life. >>> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and >>> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both >>> paper and electronic, in to the lives of more people. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- Michael A. Ray Analyst/Programmer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK Eyes-free Linux: http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/ Raspberry VI: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ From covici@ccs.covici.com Mon Jul 6 20:10:29 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71A0576A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:10:29 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HoDDWBdBZ6iH for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:10:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail0200.smtp25.com (mail0200.smtp25.com [174.37.170.200]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83A43768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:10:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from ccs.covici.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ccs.covici.com (8.14.9/8.14.8) with ESMTP id t66KAD7p022420; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 16:10:14 -0400 From: covici@ccs.covici.com To: Magdalen Berns In-reply-to: References: <56e66b49-b281-4244-ab5f-5ce780ec0a01@default> <559901FD.4020003@informal.com.br> <0697f882-c65e-4c26-9b99-3b73528fabb4@default> Comments: In-reply-to Magdalen Berns message dated "Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:52:36 +0100." X-Mailer: MH-E 8.5; nmh 1.6; GNU Emacs 23.4.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:10:13 -0400 Message-ID: <22418.1436213413@ccs.covici.com> X-SpamH-OriginatingIP: 70.109.53.110 X-SpamH-Filter: s-out-001.smtp25.com-t66KAEZD023796 Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:10:29 -0000 Well, I tried this with an app called crashplan namely CrashPlanDesktop and all I get is panel and moving down I get some text, but I can't really do anything except look at some text with flat review, I get no menus or anything. Magdalen Berns wrote: > Hi Don, >=20 > Thank you for getting in touch with us about the problem which you have > encountered (and thanks to everyone else who has already replied offering > helpful suggestions about this!) >=20 > It sounds like an infuriating issue! Aside from SwingSet, it would be > useful for me to know what other specific java apps this issue has > prevented you from using with orca? >=20 >=20 > The rest of my response is inline: >=20 > On Sun, Jul 5, 2015 at 11:39 PM, Don Raikes wrote: >=20 > > Hi, > > > > > > > > Libatk-wrapper-java is version 0.30.4-3 as is libatk-wrapper-java-jni. > > >=20 > Firstly, please check you have the openjdk-accessibility extension > installed and install it if it is not. However, I reckon in this case the > particular version you happen to have installed is the most likely to be > the source of the problem. Backstory: >=20 > Prior to 0.30.5 (which was released from git.gnome.org in September of > 2014) the java-atk-wrapper had not actually been actively maintained by > anyone since 2011 and as I recall, even the build process had really had > gotten quite broken by that point (I am not sure how the packagers got > round that at the time, but credit to their packaging skills, they managed > it) >=20 > I reckon it's probably just not worth your time to try to get the version > you have installed working; under the circumstances, I advise you seek a > later version of the wrapper and ensure you clean 0.30.4-3 off your deskt= op > completely before installing it too (but be careful not to remove any > packages which depend on it or which it depends on itself, in the process= ). >=20 > Although it's worth emphasising that the development version is technical= ly > the unstable version - in this particular case, the latest git release > (which is 0.33.1). should actually be more stable than the one you > currently have installed and should at least resolve this particular prob= lem >=20 > If your distro doesn't already provide a package to try an update with, > then there are some instructions on how to build, run and test the wrapper > on its dedicated wiki page.[1] if you do end up going down that route, th= en > I would be grateful if you could please let us know how you get on with it > and please feel free to report any other bugs which you may come across! >=20 > In the meantime, I hope the background information helps you solve this > without too much sweat! >=20 > Magdalen >=20 > [1] https://wiki.gnome.org/Accessibility/JavaAtkWrapper >=20 >=20 > > > > Running swingset2.jar comes up as inaccessible as well. > > > > I feel like I am missing a critical piece of the puzzle to get this to > > work. > > > > > > > > *From:* Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza [mailto:vilmar@informal.= com.br] > > *Sent:* Sunday, July 05, 2015 3:08 AM > > *To:* Don Raikes; Orca List > > *Subject:* Re: [orca-list] java applications reported as inaccessible > > > > > > > > Hi Don. > > What version of java-atk-wrapper are you running? > > Did you try to test using SwingSet2.jar? > > Thanks. > > > > On 07/05/2015 01:41 AM, Don Raikes wrote: > > > > Hello, > > > > > > > > I am runnin kali linux 1.1.0a which was based on debian wheezy 7.8. > > > > > > > > I have java-7-openjdk and the java-atk-wrapper installed on the system. > > > > When I try to open any java swing application orca reports that the > > application is inaccessible. > > > > Is there a trick to getting java and orca to work together? > > > > > > > > NOTE: the accessibility.properties file is installed in the > > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib folder, > > > > And the java-atk-wrapper.jar file is in > > /usr/lib/jvm/java-7-openjdk/jre/lib/ext folder. > > > > Libatk-bridge2.0-0 is installed as is python-atspi2. > > > > > > > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > > > > > > > Donald > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > orca-list mailing list > > > > orca-list@gnome.org > > > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > > > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nigh= tly/ats-2.html > > > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > > > > > > > -- > > > > Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > orca-list mailing list > > orca-list@gnome.org > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > > The manual is at > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------- > Alternatives: >=20 > ---------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightl= y/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp --=20 Your life is like a penny. You're going to lose it. The question is: How do you spend it? 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([2601:989:c000:7195:4524:19ae:542c:2273]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id d10sm9889549qhc.9.2015.07.06.13.43.11 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:43:12 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559AE85D.4010802@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 16:43:09 -0400 From: Josh K User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alex Midence , 'Christopher Chaltain' , "'B. Henry'" , orca-list@gnome.org References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> <019e01d0b7f7$91cf6e40$b56e4ac0$@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <019e01d0b7f7$91cf6e40$b56e4ac0$@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:43:27 -0000 no not really. Once you get fast at it with practice you can do homework and most anything you could do on your perkins brailler. I have a whole addressbook in a binder written on thermoform all brailled with the slate and stylus. one of the plastic 4 line 28 cell slates and saddle styluses. follow me on twitter @joshknnd1982 On 7/6/2015 10:25 AM, Alex Midence wrote: > Yeah, it's pretty handy for jotting down short notes and phone numbers and things like that but for doing an entire homework assignment, it's got to be pure murder! > > Alex M > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Chaltain [mailto:chaltain@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:11 AM > To: Alex Midence; B. Henry; orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display > > A slate and stylus is a lot more portable than a Perkins Brailler. Being able to use a slate and stylus is a good skill to have. > > On 07/05/2015 10:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made it >> through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a >> cramp and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? >> OMG! A slate and stylus!! >> >> Alex M >> >> >> >> >> On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization >>> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as >>> opposed to having to imagine relative position of words and symbols. >>> For math this difference can be night and day. Looking at computer >>> code being able to touch indention would save time and make for a >>> much smoother mental work flow I think. >>> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose >>> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille >>> e-book reader, and having stand alone e-book reading capability is >>> actually pretty cool also for some of the situations you bring up. >>> That being said, being connected to a device with a visual display >>> would have been nice when I read outloud to my daughter so that she >>> could have followed along looking at pictures and later print words. >>> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids >>> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that >>> there were not more titles available...lol, but also it would have >>> been nice to have more Spanish language content. A braille e-book >>> reading device would probably have helped with both issues. >>> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy >>> braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading >>> sessions, camping trips, etc., but compared with nothing... >>> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more >>> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long enough >>> for most non math wizz students to do their homework and prepare for >>> exams, but when you add the time required to punch out hardcopy >>> braille versions of much of a tesxtbook with a slate and stylus >>> there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or a social >>> life. >>> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and >>> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both >>> paper and electronic, in to the lives of more people. >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out >> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From alex.midence@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 20:43:44 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1ACA76A59 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:43:44 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oDvPXmS1-iLP for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:43:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-ie0-f176.google.com (mail-ie0-f176.google.com [209.85.223.176]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABEAF76A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 20:43:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: by iecvh10 with SMTP id vh10so121640795iec.3 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=from:to:references:in-reply-to:subject:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:thread-index :content-language; bh=t0Uq2qYpyzrXUem/ZAmy/9dEbH1dxS+p/6upwqB6OEQ=; b=oHJ8ViTd6XVEFxJBEjdkJo4T94hGbUnknUB2iejuiQJl9wydbve5RV3QlstbiqcBZn Ufw7hbAApakxYwG1uj3q2piWLIq0gozQT3SwtqTkdoJ1gjJDzpCzGKmVyP5mnpSIfRTO JNSwsSPyUOJqmiAU40gLFVqzseNZgejFVC2ZyL0q0d9S01Qs2rhcxyOPmREZches3Q7R aGnZuh6uKMtijQZacfGziZNhBfYJ0b5c2gHjPepxPjfOKUTG59ljHpZ78ARtVAxtp+dN lPRVQMg9TPIKLVOYPHuWO8ZpbQNoe9R2tKcFN+YdhdvgJpwdqCnN9LPhqBOy7tuZi2S4 +T0w== X-Received: by 10.50.20.200 with SMTP id p8mr44292905ige.28.1436215406429; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from DALLMIDENCE ([74.116.173.9]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id g3sm10401624igi.10.2015.07.06.13.43.25 (version=TLSv1 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 13:43:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Midence X-Google-Original-From: "Alex Midence" To: , References: <558037DD.5000903@gmail.com> <20150616231113.GA16754@jpc.home> <20150624223601.GG31595@gmail.com> <5596F934.8050103@gmail.com> <20150703224829.GD12063@gmail.com> <5599F42C.206@gmail.com> <559A7069.8080502@gmail.com> <019e01d0b7f7$91cf6e40$b56e4ac0$@gmail.com> <559ADA24.9040409@raspberryvi.org> In-Reply-To: <559ADA24.9040409@raspberryvi.org> Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 15:43:04 -0500 Message-ID: <01d201d0b82c$5c5d6200$15182600$@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQKo74l9wcEm9KU15JjUUndggGoeogJz7WJVARyR5oEB8rBnlgKKV8A0ArRaQ34CB25JcwGNuAJIAi0JlD6bmlhrAA== Content-Language: en-us Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 20:43:45 -0000 I'd never heard of such a thing until I read your post. Curious, I = googled it and found a very interesting page from the American Printing = House for the blind. (See below.) I don't think people can stil get = their hands on these. Extremely interesting page though. I had no idea = braille had several competitors for a time. I wonder how we settled on = it as our tactile script. =20 Best regards, Alex M http://www.aph.org/museum/braille_collection.html -----Original Message----- From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Mike = Ray Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 2:42 PM To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display How about a Stainsby Brailler? A lot more portable than a Perkins. On 06/07/2015 15:25, Alex Midence wrote: > Yeah, it's pretty handy for jotting down short notes and phone numbers = and things like that but for doing an entire homework assignment, it's = got to be pure murder! =20 >=20 > Alex M >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: Christopher Chaltain [mailto:chaltain@gmail.com] > Sent: Monday, July 06, 2015 7:11 AM > To: Alex Midence; B. Henry; orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] the low cost canute braille display >=20 > A slate and stylus is a lot more portable than a Perkins Brailler. = Being able to use a slate and stylus is a good skill to have. >=20 > On 07/05/2015 10:21 PM, Alex Midence wrote: >> Jesus! A slate and stylus?! Are you kidding me? I've never made = it >> through an entire sentence with one of those damn things without a=20 >> cramp and a few choice curses. Why can't they get Perkins Braillers? >> OMG! A slate and stylus!! >> >> Alex M >> >> >> >> >> On 7/3/2015 5:48 PM, B. Henry wrote: >>> Good points/usage cases. Also the comprehention of data organization = >>> and formatting is different when one has a physical display as=20 >>> opposed to having to imagine relative position of words and symbols. >>> For math this difference can be night and day. Looking at computer=20 >>> code being able to touch indention would save time and make for a=20 >>> much smoother mental work flow I think. >>> It certainly seems like a no brainer to combine general purpose=20 >>> braille computer display functionality with any stand alone braille=20 >>> e-book reader, and having stand alone e-book reading capability is=20 >>> actually pretty cool also for some of the situations you bring up. >>> That being said, being connected to a device with a visual display=20 >>> would have been nice when I read outloud to my daughter so that she=20 >>> could have followed along looking at pictures and later print words. >>> We used as many print braille books as we could find, mostly kids=20 >>> books from the National Braille Press. My main complaint was that=20 >>> there were not more titles available...lol, but also it would have=20 >>> been nice to have more Spanish language content. A braille e-book=20 >>> reading device would probably have helped with both issues. >>> Of course none of this is a adequit substitution for hard copy=20 >>> braille or print braille when it comes to those bedtime reading=20 >>> sessions, camping trips, etc., but compared with nothing... >>> I have seen how blind young people struggle here with their more=20 >>> advanced math courses in highschool and college. It takes long=20 >>> enough for most non math wizz students to do their homework and=20 >>> prepare for exams, but when you add the time required to punch out=20 >>> hardcopy braille versions of much of a tesxtbook with a slate and=20 >>> stylus there's not much time left for sleep, much less work or a=20 >>> social life. >>> Braille literacy is very important for a few different reasons, and=20 >>> I'm very much in favour of anything that helps bring braille, both=20 >>> paper and electronic, in to the lives of more people. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out=20 >> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >=20 > -- > Christopher (CJ) > chaltain at Gmail >=20 > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at=20 > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out=20 > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >=20 -- Michael A. Ray Analyst/Programmer Witley, Surrey, South-east UK Eyes-free Linux: http://eyesfreelinux.ninja/ Raspberry VI: http://www.raspberryvi.org/ _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual is at = http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how = to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From themuso@ubuntu.com Mon Jul 6 22:37:26 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8014B76A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:37:26 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.2 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.2 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X3TeYtWIDogd for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:37:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from youngberry.canonical.com (youngberry.canonical.com [91.189.89.112]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9977F768BF for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:37:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from cpe-121-211-64-237.hhui5.cht.bigpond.net.au ([121.211.64.237] helo=acapella) by youngberry.canonical.com with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1ZCF0i-0001u0-Ey for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 22:37:13 +0000 Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:37:06 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150706223706.GA2904@acapella> References: <559A5DBE.6050303@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <559A5DBE.6050303@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] saving orca settings to be used on the log on screen X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 22:37:26 -0000 On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 08:51:42PM AEST, kendell clark wrote: Could there be at some point, a "save settings to log in > screen" or similar option, maybe in the general tab, that would save > these settings to the currently active dm? This is more challenging purely because we have to support multiple display managers, and in the case of lightdm, multiple greeterssssssss. Think of a greeter as a frontend, and from what I've seen, different greeters store settings in different ways, and in the case of gsettings, they also likely use different schemas. Orca's settings are also another amtter. At the moment, they are stored in json format, so policykit could be used to allow Orca cacess to write its settings into the DM's user directory, but in the future this may not be so easy, given there are plans to move to using gsettings. I think it would be a good feature to have, but we need to solve a few challenges first. The lowest hanging fruit is to get all the DMs and greeters to agree on a standard accessibility gsettings schema etc. Luke From coffeekingms@gmail.com Mon Jul 6 22:57:30 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE4B76A47 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:57:30 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.7 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9veL-_PAqwWI for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:57:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-oi0-f48.google.com (mail-oi0-f48.google.com [209.85.218.48]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F14D476A43 for ; Mon, 6 Jul 2015 22:57:18 +0000 (UTC) Received: by oihr66 with SMTP id r66so73143725oih.2 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=DtnTumqZEFQE1EMmke32UTkKjhxasXIRLGikaeP8H4M=; b=LE2kcRnGQ10wnoZLZCC+vMbyTTlE0A0nsMYCairZweNXo67z38NfY2/taokWsJwRDB 0Dp4gJTjRXbSJrZxy717DkzHp1Hr+kOvkaGbWlzX0mZXZPag8KKdEUQFR18s4Xq1LLLr aU+Q05bcBK7XjYSXMWuo2+snN3K4WNN+/PTaEn8tvlNgRmNCyw4N3gGGrDj8c690q3HS 0fwFfA10HQuhXX2DYC8LjUApVqjYk2rzLJ6Qnu347v9c8dNfbuheUHpPodyjf59GL9E2 uGLTH02TOct1z9/XS/p0VJTTam6BmMrOfa8Asl3rUWdGel51MnicADczuu0alInh0CGY AH5w== X-Received: by 10.202.213.21 with SMTP id m21mr1070660oig.26.1436223436687; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.2.2] (r74-192-83-213.mnolcmta01.minltx.tl.dh.suddenlink.net. [74.192.83.213]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id 207sm10939224oib.6.2015.07.06.15.57.15 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 15:57:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <559B07CB.2030809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 17:57:15 -0500 From: kendell clark User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:36.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/36.0 SeaMonkey/2.33.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Luke Yelavich , orca-list@gnome.org References: <559A5DBE.6050303@gmail.com> <20150706223706.GA2904@acapella> In-Reply-To: <20150706223706.GA2904@acapella> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] saving orca settings to be used on the log on screen X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 06 Jul 2015 22:57:30 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 hi Absolutely. Fix the problems first, then implement the feature. Gdm and lightdm work quite well, but kdm, mdm, etc do not, which ideally should be fixed. Even if you can manage to start orca on those dm's, I haven't figured out how yet, they don't speak. Thanks Kendell clark Luke Yelavich wrote: > On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 08:51:42PM AEST, kendell clark wrote: Could > there be at some point, a "save settings to log in >> screen" or similar option, maybe in the general tab, that would >> save these settings to the currently active dm? > > This is more challenging purely because we have to support multiple > display managers, and in the case of lightdm, multiple > greeterssssssss. Think of a greeter as a frontend, and from what > I've seen, different greeters store settings in different ways, and > in the case of gsettings, they also likely use different schemas. > > Orca's settings are also another amtter. At the moment, they are > stored in json format, so policykit could be used to allow Orca > cacess to write its settings into the DM's user directory, but in > the future this may not be so easy, given there are plans to move > to using gsettings. > > I think it would be a good feature to have, but we need to solve a > few challenges first. The lowest hanging fruit is to get all the > DMs and greeters to agree on a standard accessibility gsettings > schema etc. > > Luke _______________________________________________ orca-list > mailing list orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > is at > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2 iQIcBAEBCgAGBQJVmwfGAAoJEGYgJ5/kqBTdEsIP/jQ0LOc3PoGZi7RX8mLXWUoZ 4JIGPkEZwjdzqO2dCxY1DnyxhJZf/0xKaX2gaHeLL8dpRAgFWWsEZNIm6jf+O0nl Ls9g9iAxjQCYs/LKEWNXaFGRwCKchdw7trY2k9Q4j/qcl2nxdWAVA+stfIuSpxh+ qoyGWObVLsNX6nBKb/eBi0w0C30jSNsf+PUmkhH3VC5EPlQPMV92Y9ZRSjn3zu1h K4aJmO4PU7ojQs+h0hNxEY0uCS3hoH6qYNpY7CohPyGavY82vbEroGqDwyxw33fM zMax5wfUtwnBVKILvAMiKAZZIDjjXYaky1bGVpQQUYqiMSlDB+YYLZv0SB6Hs8pc jNa0BJtT7Qsj8VTxWcEgl6M6EW/W80z7UgakKGzZKzlXE5I8ynjdZxEYIYAvYic8 sOdots8Or8dZfakVcLxTf+Zs5y4yhgNzdPaE+z7MpaV9vFjqoqzkEBdTKhmZI9Jk 4PoMdR2sK/C8iPdwgk/NUBodHbppJJYdAnG3lrD84JbMGEDqjWBgsk5ol3ksnwA4 G9+uo4RcC9pQAisTAmcQYRzpD9+Lf8U40CChBQnzcr5wqfVodWWr1A1nQdhi+AbN iDqh4/RBiR10EvzLUeRx85Hbw1BlS11yDqgWq0o89KnDvXGgJPk8fDAKgYK8qyF4 nNLGvojKAkQdqWzLz6ou =Cl7m -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 06:08:00 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E311C7693F for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 06:07:59 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8V8XKjlSrpl2 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 06:07:58 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f171.google.com (mail-pd0-f171.google.com [209.85.192.171]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75969762EB for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 06:07:47 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbep18 with SMTP id ep18so119513644pdb.1 for ; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:07:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=f9xYg3KQsJJoJz9BBlt6bl1JcT6DY5I9ycql/XYokCM=; b=oQjvnB7CtkG5Yj1WQhyettvkER3evdcu1+mEImmuNFGqb+VCG4GuHSIMLjmIDM1JTf rjMAvrch9Pb5fyjHWFitZMXflbIYBJzjbMXGOv7+Ew7zayxW0CiBcTs6nZuvjKb0bl12 CjfQS/tFfDfNeOSD6nMoJooXEd4b+Fd9pLb6jEr/bnM0UDTvKTTpiTbPa/oIfMDOh9Dw eoD0dqThPY6hP+Vj3+8jt+/iT4DxwPFVqVhhZ27Z+O/i68K2Ej8R2QifDlj/DOkYtZBe UCxCcl8i1w10Ihl4Ax2OhfP9NcNwc/wmSOp1rBMSif/npSwqKTb026cOGu5I8kdX35yr 2VIw== X-Received: by 10.66.129.161 with SMTP id nx1mr5546610pab.84.1436249266467; Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:07:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com. [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id xs13sm20564688pac.3.2015.07.06.23.07.44 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 06 Jul 2015 23:07:45 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2015 23:07:41 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150707060741.GA5968@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <558DF2BC.6090804@igalia.com> <1435366595.6817.19.camel@gmail.com> <20150627160202.GA4930@jpc.home> <558EEC4A.30903@poczta.onet.pl> <558FF495.9050607@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <558FF495.9050607@gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Should Orca announce when entering and/or exiting lists, tables, etc. during caret navigation? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 06:08:00 -0000 I may be a bit late here, but I like Alfonzo's comments - especially his first suggestion. I personally feel being informed about entering and leaving tables to be particularly important because when inside a table, different keys are used for navigation around the thing. Leaving tables is probably less important though. I like the configurability aspect because there may be times when you need the extra information to figure out how a page is layed out or perhaps even debugging your own web content. The idea about configurable profiles sounds very interesting to me. I haven't done much with profiles so far but that sounds like an interesting area to play around int. On Sun, Jun 28, 2015 at 06:50:21PM +0530, kk wrote: > > + 1 for sean, > Happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > > > On Sunday 28 June 2015 02:36 PM, Sean Murphy wrote: > >All, > > > >As outlined, the hearing of lists tables and other structures are very user dependent and type of document you are reading on the web. Thus configuration of the options is a must. > > > >Also, the one thing that I hate with Chrome is you have to toggle into a table to navigate it. If Orca doesn’t already have a shortcut for table navigation. Then it would be a good addition. If the user doe not want to navigate by cells, rows, etc. Then they use the normal navigation. > > > >My 2 cents worth. > > > >Sean > >>On 28 Jun 2015, at 4:32 am, Michał Zegan wrote: > >> > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > >>Hash: SHA1 > >> > >>On nvda, I usually use the feature of speaking the kind of element I > >>am in and also keys to move for example to the end of the list, pretty > >>heavily. > >>So, I actually depend on this one quite a lot, and it is hard for me > >>to live without it for now. > >> > >>W dniu 2015-06-27 o 18:02, Jason White pisze: > >>>Trenton Matthews wrote: > >>>>Definitely make the list thing an on/off toggle. > >>>This would be my preference also. > >>> > >>>It might be useful when editing a document in a wysiwyg editor: the > >>>user needs to know whether the cursor is inside the list or outside > >>>of it, as this typically determines whether what is inserted will > >>>be a new paragraph or a new list item. In ordinary reading, though, > >>>this infomration generally isn't helpful. > >>> > >>>_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing > >>>list orca-list@gnome.org > >>>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit > >>>http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual > >>>is at > >>>http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>> > >>> > >>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out > >>>how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>> > >>-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>Version: GnuPG v2 > >> > >>iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJVjuxIAAoJEHb1CzgxXKwYiGQP/ixiRAZ1KHNTdPuHsvQ+vBtU > >>yvHVr8gfJxoI28wcFqL3XfSZUbkD/nZHq9i1o+OjYxv8ByVgZABBjX/Y9hiSfpBr > >>RO81ApQdTnxjL97m4vwPTaE+wHMNSvr0rZcYiWIzifcNX/lTgt/llpY7t6+GuJPp > >>Z0niGnIrS9QY7T+qGCvqXCFlay+S/4c7NkeltpPDITG9WTHvH7kOVb7p/JHf66+q > >>yNMs00w4bAyWSsmaHVlaGDSvQBs3chekI7qttL4bmD+aqAGSDz5wcFcaxNTBpBf9 > >>DHrw5s0CI7wuoNuY4JUWIBybAZoPO8xMsiUtESqhRw5D3+BjBKLUlP/uFHYvvTNw > >>0IvzJlGhbxHvdmpqT5ZjKAQ8BIJ0Tlfq3+58KCegEA7PGCTNu54plcUt4z1eDjSL > >>QKY70orX+n6BEhElOMWYfIVCIR+6++FZXNupd63h3KYuV5qNG4AhV7IWjUw9zBnk > >>bPQZqwZhFZ4EiG3qoAuQbA2sCitoNp88p9YxeLwN+YEp9wsPoMF7sPWuWDxM3Cjv > >>vX6XVkZ7/cAHA6zcnafDAPAQpIJv/hT+M29+St5RX3ghPDWc8flc72WMukLji6ji > >>2l4wLFpIOhDzAPM/UhFLVfx0j94uOL5XFW3K7RdSIn06m0WmSeJnc/Fc2l83RhL/ > >>KAZZEhv4vYpTxkCmk5nE > >>=n8tn > >>-----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > >>_______________________________________________ > >>orca-list mailing list > >>orca-list@gnome.org > >>https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >_______________________________________________ > >orca-list mailing list > >orca-list@gnome.org > >https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 07:22:28 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1007276A47 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:22:28 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WtAfVQe-G0ia for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:22:26 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f177.google.com (mail-pd0-f177.google.com [209.85.192.177]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFD5376999 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:22:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbci14 with SMTP id ci14so120705901pdb.2 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:22:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to :user-agent; bh=JC8c0XE528I97wIC5ROzjHtBmKqVfYXsEGjGIouiv5Q=; b=wuC3K1EFjB/MN1L3FGDyWbhYFvqU0jL674E/5m1hI9C/sPC7fQ1Tos6vjgYNM/jBr7 Tp7vkVqEvC2iU0Ugvz3ZuUSOIYcImpBTI/yaFL8QKgQhaZ5pMYCxJVn6ak2wMqbbhcyZ pc/JVEMRcPMjmMBnbSp9gU6xeYP9rB5A99VVRB1bqWPpXqqqpG6k03PxKnciNmo8Gmiy w19Yect2bR9SchKUBVb/gnopJ2e//Y9kT93lguFQVNB4XjgQ75fhQJBR2opUD/ZLGpx9 rq1tQ99D2ts++HUYwKRF/teajfvMkwdDxjI9XCiTmLb+otJZMLDpniOq8TrSbPywFbIA sd8A== X-Received: by 10.68.135.100 with SMTP id pr4mr5990157pbb.25.1436253734777; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:22:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com. [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id k8sm17781259pdj.45.2015.07.07.00.22.12 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:22:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:22:10 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150707072210.GB5968@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <5594D52B.8030308@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <5594D52B.8030308@igalia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Heading wise navigation in Structural Navigation X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:22:28 -0000 Am I missing something? I thought we already had structural navigation in Libreoffice. At least I remember using it in the old OpenOffice Writer by hitting Orca+z to toggle it on or off. Did this go away after LibreOffice came into being or what? Just wondering here. On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 02:07:39AM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > On 07/02/2015 01:54 AM, Dhairyashil Bhosale wrote: > > > So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca screen > > reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understand the > > workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation for > > Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please reply. > > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91739#c6 > > Once they solve that problem, I'll add support for headings and other > objects appropriate for LibreOffice into Orca. > > --joanie > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From steve.holmes88@gmail.com Tue Jul 7 07:55:56 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C94D76A60 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:55:56 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.45 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.45 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_ENVFROM_END_DIGIT=0.25, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XPK3NktNhx3j for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:55:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-pd0-f172.google.com (mail-pd0-f172.google.com [209.85.192.172]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BA21676999 for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 07:55:44 +0000 (UTC) Received: by pdbci14 with SMTP id ci14so121237403pdb.2 for ; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:55:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :content-transfer-encoding:in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=vekU/0oqRPDr9OrByiQw+HbHeZC9WgI9A0qkSugNMrA=; b=X55YdOCxPzTRYHcXAjSSbaoeFT1FCL89AejjSJ6p6nsPif3NRdaKcBMWU5JxT7FV76 EgIuSiErjE6ydTkD+Ac5GV8v15T//hfeptNAZFaLyJCmXyTZr6DI+pudEM/9iwvPR+8n +JmhvDQKA+c2VnggAhwczhB7r+PzCkNItuF3uZpNQ8qzW2TIDps0FFJy1ZmijIBxv8oE RtOgE1nWyUrf7iDG4Ma21Ka2Vj9SxatJXy9NhvANfuzLdmUL+Y2nlD/s4TDrD7+q1s0V cIpSdy8eMn8ExHdhPYx27UsTmuscWZQYAa6UZdYmb8lFmozbcdMvq66UUC537p79VxIs ZecQ== X-Received: by 10.66.249.1 with SMTP id yq1mr6090088pac.3.1436255742579; Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:55:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from linlap.wavecable.com (76-14-154-236.rk.wavecable.com. [76.14.154.236]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id pp6sm20736214pbb.79.2015.07.07.00.55.40 for (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 07 Jul 2015 00:55:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:55:37 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20150707075537.GC5968@linlap.wavecable.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <556742A5.8090108@informal.com.br> <556B5495.6050504@igalia.com> <556B6257.20906@igalia.com> <556B8B4E.5030009@informal.com.br> <556CACE9.2000705@informal.com.br> <556CB548.9090002@igalia.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <556CB548.9090002@igalia.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.23 (2014-03-12) Subject: Re: [orca-list] A page where orca gets stuck X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 07:55:56 -0000 I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element. Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation at www.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but then often miss important information. I can try and see if other examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML changes you just implemented. On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > Hey Jos. > > Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks! > > --joanie > > On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote: > > Hi Joanie. > > I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another > > place where the problem occurs. > > > > Load http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link > > called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key. > > Press down arrow 6 or 7 times. > > After this I can not by pass the content in the page. > > Thanks again. > > > > On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi Joanie. > >> Seems to be fixed. > >> Thanks. > >> > >> On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > >>> Hey again. > >>> > >>> I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem > >>> for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do > >>> so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime, > >>> please test and let me know what you find. Thanks! > >>> > >>> --joanie > >>> > >>> On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: > >>>> Hey Jos. > >>>> > >>>> I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems > >>>> to be happening is that giving focus to links (Incio, Apresentao, > >>>> etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down > >>>> Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element > >>>> causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the > >>>> focused link which causes it to appear. > >>>> > >>>> I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some > >>>> thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs. > >>>> > >>>> --joanie > >>>> > >>>> On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote: > >>>>> Hi all. > >>>>> Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page. > >>>>> Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page. > >>>>> > >>>>> To reproduce load in firefox the following page: > >>>>> http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/. > >>>>> > >>>>> After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called > >>>>> 'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'. > >>>>> Press enter in this link. > >>>>> > >>>>> Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow. > >>>>> > >>>>> In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link. > >>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> orca-list mailing list > >>>> orca-list@gnome.org > >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > >>>> The manual is at > >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > >>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > >>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > >>>> > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp From vilmar@informal.com.br Tue Jul 7 08:30:13 2015 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F106D76A4C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:30:12 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.6 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.6 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from restaurant.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (restaurant.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pOF2Y9SM7ANR for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:30:09 +0000 (UTC) Received: from rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br [177.126.164.22]) by restaurant.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 429E176A9C for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:29:57 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br (LSOS-MTA) with ESMTP id 3mQcQB36Tcz73sv for ; Tue, 7 Jul 2015 08:29:54 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: Scanned by LSOS-Amavis at rot02c2 X-Spam-Threshold: 5.0 X-Spam-Scanned-Date: Tue, 07 Jul 2015 08:29:54 +0000 X-Spam-Host: rot02c2.mail.alog.com.br X-Spam-System: LSOS-SA X-Spam-LSOS-Flag: NO X-Spam-Relay-Country: X-Spam-Languages: X-Spam-ASN: X-Spam-DCC: X-Spam-Pyzor: Reported 0 times. 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This is confirmed as described. After read the text 'Welcome to SuperShuttle', I get stuck. If I restart orca, the problem disappears temporarily. I've noticed a similar behaved when reading some messages with thunderbird . This is with latest orca from master. Thanks. On 07/07/2015 04:55 AM, Steve Holmes wrote: > I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several > instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot > get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element. > > Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation > at www.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking > credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but > then often miss important information. I can try and see if other > examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck > over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this > began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML > changes you just implemented. > > On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >> Hey José. >> >> Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks! >> >> --joanie >> >> On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>> Hi Joanie. >>> I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another >>> place where the problem occurs. >>> >>> Load http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link >>> called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key. >>> Press down arrow 6 or 7 times. >>> After this I can not by pass the content in the page. >>> Thanks again. >>> >>> On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>>> Hi Joanie. >>>> Seems to be fixed. >>>> Thanks. >>>> >>>> On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>> Hey again. >>>>> >>>>> I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem >>>>> for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do >>>>> so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime, >>>>> please test and let me know what you find. Thanks! >>>>> >>>>> --joanie >>>>> >>>>> On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote: >>>>>> Hey José. >>>>>> >>>>>> I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems >>>>>> to be happening is that giving focus to links (Início, Apresentação, >>>>>> etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down >>>>>> Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element >>>>>> causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the >>>>>> focused link which causes it to appear. >>>>>> >>>>>> I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some >>>>>> thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs. >>>>>> >>>>>> --joanie >>>>>> >>>>>> On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: >>>>>>> Hi all. >>>>>>> Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page. >>>>>>> Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> To reproduce load in firefox the following page: >>>>>>> http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called >>>>>>> 'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'. >>>>>>> Press enter in this link. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link. >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> orca-list mailing list >>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org >>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >>>>>> The manual is at >>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp >>>>>> >> _______________________________________________ >> orca-list mailing list >> orca-list@gnome.org >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. >> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html >> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org >> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp > _______________________________________________ > orca-list mailing list > orca-list@gnome.org > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza --------------090007080909010603010409 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi.
This is confirmed as described.
After read the text 'Welcome to SuperShuttle', I get stuck.
If I restart orca, the problem disappears temporarily.
I've noticed a similar behaved when reading some messages with thunderbird .
This is with latest orca from master.
Thanks.
On 07/07/2015 04:55 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several
instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot
get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element.

Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation
at www.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking
credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but
then often miss important information. I can try and see if other
examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck
over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this
began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML
changes you just implemented.

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hey José.

Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks!

--joanie

On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi Joanie.
I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another
 place where the problem occurs.

Load http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link
called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key.
Press down arrow 6 or 7 times.
After this I can not by pass the content in the page.
Thanks again.

On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

Hi Joanie.
Seems to be fixed.
Thanks.

On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hey again.

I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem
for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do
so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime,
please test and let me know what you find. Thanks!

--joanie

On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

Hey José.

I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems
to be happening is that giving focus to links (Início, Apresentação,
etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down
Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element
causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the
focused link which causes it to appear.

I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some
thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs.

--joanie

On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

     Hi all.
Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page.
Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page.

To reproduce load in firefox the following page:
http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/.

After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called
'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'.
Press enter in this  link.

Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow.

In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link.
Thanks.


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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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Hi Steve and Joanie,

             1) Toggling(ON/OFF) of Structural Navigation in libreoffice is
present but after pressing 'ORCA+Z' and then pressing 'H' for heading-wise
navigation is not present in libreoffice, so I am looking for heading-wise
navigation in libreoffice.

             2) I worked on paragraph wise navigation in Libreoffice i.e. I
added SKIMREAD patch.
                https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577481#c21
             3) So I am working on Heading wise navigation for Libreoffice,
so How can we implement this feature.

With Regards,
Dhairyashil.



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>       (Steve Holmes)
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>
> Message: 5
> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:22:10 -0700
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> To: orca-list@gnome.org
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Heading wise navigation in Structural
>         Navigation
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> Am I missing something? I thought we already had structural navigation
> in Libreoffice. At least I remember using it in the old OpenOffice
> Writer by hitting Orca+z to toggle it on or off. Did this go away
> after LibreOffice came into being or what?
>
> Just wondering here.
>
> On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 02:07:39AM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > On 07/02/2015 01:54 AM, Dhairyashil Bhosale wrote:
> >
> > > So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca
> screen
> > > reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understand the
> > > workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation for
> > > Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please reply.
> >
> > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91739#c6
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> > Once they solve that problem, I'll add support for headings and other
> > objects appropriate for LibreOffice into Orca.
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> > --joanie
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Am I missing something? I thought we already had structural navigation

in Libreoffice. At least I remember using it in the old OpenOffice

Writer by hitting Orca+z to toggle it on or off. Did this go away

after LibreOffice came into being or what?



Just wondering here.



On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 02:07:39AM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> On 07/02/2015 01:54 AM, Dhairyashil Bhosale wrote:

>

> > So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca=
 screen

> > reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understan=
d the

> > workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation fo=
r

> > Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please repl=
y.

>

> https://bugs.documentfoundation.o=
rg/show_bug.cgi?id=3D91739#c6

>

> Once they solve that problem, I'll add support for headings and ot=
her

> objects appropriate for LibreOffice into Orca.

>

> --joanie

> _______________________________________________

> orca-list mailing list

> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l=
ist

> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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rary.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

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Hi Steve and Joanie,

             1) Toggling(ON/OFF) of Structural Navigation in libreoffice is
present but after pressing 'ORCA+Z' and then pressing 'H' for heading-wise
navigation is not present in libreoffice, so I am looking for heading-wise
navigation in libreoffice.

             2) I worked on paragraph wise navigation in Libreoffice i.e. I
added SKIMREAD patch.
                https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=577481#c21
             3) So I am working on Heading wise navigation for Libreoffice,
so How can we implement this feature.

With Regards,
Dhairyashil.



>    5. Re:  Heading wise navigation in Structural Navigation
>       (Steve Holmes)
>
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> Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2015 00:22:10 -0700
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>         Navigation
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>
> Am I missing something? I thought we already had structural navigation
> in Libreoffice. At least I remember using it in the old OpenOffice
> Writer by hitting Orca+z to toggle it on or off. Did this go away
> after LibreOffice came into being or what?
>
> Just wondering here.
>
> On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 02:07:39AM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > On 07/02/2015 01:54 AM, Dhairyashil Bhosale wrote:
> >
> > > So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca
> screen
> > > reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understand the
> > > workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation for
> > > Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please reply.
> >
> > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=91739#c6
> >
> > Once they solve that problem, I'll add support for headings and other
> > objects appropriate for LibreOffice into Orca.
> >
> > --joanie
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Am I missing something? I thought we already had structural navigation

in Libreoffice. At least I remember using it in the old OpenOffice

Writer by hitting Orca+z to toggle it on or off. Did this go away

after LibreOffice came into being or what?



Just wondering here.



On Thu, Jul 02, 2015 at 02:07:39AM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> On 07/02/2015 01:54 AM, Dhairyashil Bhosale wrote:

>

> > So for enabling heading wise navigation in libreoffice using Orca=
 screen

> > reader, which things I need to implement, I could't understan=
d the

> > workflow or method calling sequencing in Structural Navigation fo=
r

> > Libreoffice. so please any one have idea related this please repl=
y.

>

> https://bugs.documentfoundation.o=
rg/show_bug.cgi?id=3D91739#c6

>

> Once they solve that problem, I'll add support for headings and ot=
her

> objects appropriate for LibreOffice into Orca.

>

> --joanie

> _______________________________________________

> orca-list mailing list

> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l=
ist

> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://lib=
rary.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Fre=
quentlyAskedQuestions

> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCan=
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Hello,
I can't confirm this however I suspect this is present after gecko 
specific stuff has been outsorced to a generalized web presentation 
module upcoming webkit support might inherit from.

I haven't yet reported this as I still have no specific steps to 
reproduce however randomly quick navigation does not appear to work for 
me and in these cases I need either to  alt+tab out and then alt+tab 
back in order to regain this functionality.

Greetings

Peter


On 07.07.2015 at 10:31 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> This is confirmed as described.
> After read the text 'Welcome to SuperShuttle', I get stuck.
> If I restart orca, the problem disappears temporarily.
> I've noticed a similar behaved when reading some messages with 
> thunderbird .
> This is with latest orca from master.
> Thanks.
> On 07/07/2015 04:55 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>> I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several
>> instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot
>> get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element.
>>
>> Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation
>> atwww.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking
>> credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but
>> then often miss important information. I can try and see if other
>> examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck
>> over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this
>> began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML
>> changes you just implemented.
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>> Hey José.
>>>
>>> Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks!
>>>
>>> --joanie
>>>
>>> On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>> Hi Joanie.
>>>> I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another
>>>>   place where the problem occurs.
>>>>
>>>> Loadhttp://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link
>>>> called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key.
>>>> Press down arrow 6 or 7 times.
>>>> After this I can not by pass the content in the page.
>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>
>>>> On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joanie.
>>>>> Seems to be fixed.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>>>>> Hey again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem
>>>>>> for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do
>>>>>> so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime,
>>>>>> please test and let me know what you find. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --joanie
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey José.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems
>>>>>>> to be happening is that giving focus to links (Início, Apresentação,
>>>>>>> etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down
>>>>>>> Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element
>>>>>>> causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the
>>>>>>> focused link which causes it to appear.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some
>>>>>>> thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --joanie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>       Hi all.
>>>>>>>> Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page.
>>>>>>>> Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> To reproduce load in firefox the following page:
>>>>>>>> http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called
>>>>>>>> 'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'.
>>>>>>>> Press enter in this  link.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link.
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
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>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>> _______________________________________________
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>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
> -- 
> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Hello,

      I can't confirm this however I suspect this is present after gecko
      specific stuff has been outsorced to a generalized web
      presentation module upcoming webkit support might inherit from.

      

      I haven't yet reported this as I still have no specific steps to
      reproduce however randomly quick navigation does not appear to
      work for me and in these cases I need either to  alt+tab out and
      then alt+tab back in order to regain this functionality.

      

      Greetings

      

      Peter

      

      

      On 07.07.2015 at 10:31 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

    

    

      
      Hi.

      
This is confirmed as described.

        After read the text 'Welcome to SuperShuttle', I get stuck.

        If I restart orca, the problem disappears temporarily.

        I've noticed a similar behaved when reading some messages with
        thunderbird .

        This is with latest orca from master.

        Thanks.

        On 07/07/2015 04:55 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

      

      

        
I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several
instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot
get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element.

Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation
at www.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking
credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but
then often miss important information. I can try and see if other
examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck
over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this
began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML
changes you just implemented.

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


        

          
Hey José.

Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks!

--joanie

On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:


          

            
Hi Joanie.
I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another
 place where the problem occurs.

Load http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link
called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key.
Press down arrow 6 or 7 times.
After this I can not by pass the content in the page.
Thanks again.

On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:


            

              
Hi Joanie.
Seems to be fixed.
Thanks.

On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


              

                
Hey again.

I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem
for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do
so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime,
please test and let me know what you find. Thanks!

--joanie

On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


                

                  
Hey José.

I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems
to be happening is that giving focus to links (Início, Apresentação,
etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down
Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element
causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the
focused link which causes it to appear.

I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some
thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs.

--joanie

On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:


                  

                    
     Hi all.
Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page.
Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page.

To reproduce load in firefox the following page:
http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/.

After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called
'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'.
Press enter in this  link.

Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow.

In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link.
Thanks.



                  

                  
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Hi.
Maybe I'm wrong , but it seems that the problem happens when I return 
from a suspend. In general I don't turn off my laptop,, only close the 
lead. It puts my laptop in suspend mode.
Thanks.

On 07/07/2015 07:18 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello,
> I can't confirm this however I suspect this is present after gecko 
> specific stuff has been outsorced to a generalized web presentation 
> module upcoming webkit support might inherit from.
>
> I haven't yet reported this as I still have no specific steps to 
> reproduce however randomly quick navigation does not appear to work 
> for me and in these cases I need either to  alt+tab out and then 
> alt+tab back in order to regain this functionality.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>
> On 07.07.2015 at 10:31 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi.
>> This is confirmed as described.
>> After read the text 'Welcome to SuperShuttle', I get stuck.
>> If I restart orca, the problem disappears temporarily.
>> I've noticed a similar behaved when reading some messages with 
>> thunderbird .
>> This is with latest orca from master.
>> Thanks.
>> On 07/07/2015 04:55 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
>>> I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several
>>> instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot
>>> get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element.
>>>
>>> Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation
>>> atwww.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking
>>> credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but
>>> then often miss important information. I can try and see if other
>>> examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck
>>> over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this
>>> began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML
>>> changes you just implemented.
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>>> Hey José.
>>>>
>>>> Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> --joanie
>>>>
>>>> On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>> Hi Joanie.
>>>>> I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another
>>>>>   place where the problem occurs.
>>>>>
>>>>> Loadhttp://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link
>>>>> called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key.
>>>>> Press down arrow 6 or 7 times.
>>>>> After this I can not by pass the content in the page.
>>>>> Thanks again.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Joanie.
>>>>>> Seems to be fixed.
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hey again.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem
>>>>>>> for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do
>>>>>>> so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime,
>>>>>>> please test and let me know what you find. Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --joanie
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hey José.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems
>>>>>>>> to be happening is that giving focus to links (Início, Apresentação,
>>>>>>>> etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down
>>>>>>>> Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element
>>>>>>>> causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the
>>>>>>>> focused link which causes it to appear.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some
>>>>>>>> thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --joanie
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>       Hi all.
>>>>>>>>> Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page.
>>>>>>>>> Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To reproduce load in firefox the following page:
>>>>>>>>> http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called
>>>>>>>>> 'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'.
>>>>>>>>> Press enter in this  link.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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>> -- 
>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>
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    Hi.

    Maybe I'm wrong , but it seems that the problem happens when I
    return from a suspend. In general I don't turn off my laptop,, only
    close the lead. It puts my laptop in suspend mode.

    Thanks.

    


      On 07/07/2015 07:18 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:

    

    

      
      
Hello,

        I can't confirm this however I suspect this is present after
        gecko specific stuff has been outsorced to a generalized web
        presentation module upcoming webkit support might inherit from.

        

        I haven't yet reported this as I still have no specific steps to
        reproduce however randomly quick navigation does not appear to
        work for me and in these cases I need either to  alt+tab out and
        then alt+tab back in order to regain this functionality.

        

        Greetings

        

        Peter

        

        

        On 07.07.2015 at 10:31 José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

      

      

        
        Hi.

        
This is confirmed as described.

          After read the text 'Welcome to SuperShuttle', I get
          stuck.

          If I restart orca, the problem disappears temporarily.

          I've noticed a similar behaved when reading some messages with
          thunderbird .

          This is with latest orca from master.

          Thanks.

          On 07/07/2015 04:55 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:

        

        

          
I don't know if this is related or not, but I have run into several
instances where I get stuck when navigating line by line and cannot
get past certain points except by pressing tab to go to next element.

Only example I can think of right now would be to book a reservation
at www.supershuttle.com; as you go through the steps including picking
credit cards and the like, I will get stuck and have to tab around but
then often miss important information. I can try and see if other
examples can be found. I've noticed more instances of getting stuck
over the past month or so. Sorry I don't have exact time when this
began getting worse. It was definitely before the recent mathML
changes you just implemented.

On Mon, Jun 01, 2015 at 03:40:56PM -0400, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


          

            
Hey José.

Confirmed. I'll take a look. Thanks!

--joanie

On 06/01/2015 03:05 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:


            

              
Hi Joanie.
I'm sorry to be bothering you with this, but it looks like I found another
 place where the problem occurs.

Load http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/, press alt+shift+k, choose a link
called 'Trabalho Hoje' and press the enter key.
Press down arrow 6 or 7 times.
After this I can not by pass the content in the page.
Thanks again.

On 05/31/2015 07:29 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:


              

                
Hi Joanie.
Seems to be fixed.
Thanks.

On 05/31/2015 04:34 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


                

                  
Hey again.

I have just committed a possible fix to master. It solves the problem
for this particular site. I've not yet regression tested it -- will do
so later today/tomorrow and if need be revert it. In the meantime,
please test and let me know what you find. Thanks!

--joanie

On 05/31/2015 02:36 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:


                  

                    
Hey José.

I can reproduce this both with both Orca 3.16.x and master. What seems
to be happening is that giving focus to links (Início, Apresentação,
etc.) causes a new element to appear below the focused link. So Down
Arrow moves you into that new element. But moving into that new element
causes that new element to go away because you are no longer on the
focused link which causes it to appear.

I will add this issue to my to-do list. But I need to give it some
thought so that the fix doesn't introduce new bugs.

--joanie

On 05/28/2015 12:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:


                    

                      
     Hi all.
Probably this is related to firefox or some bug in the page.
Another problem is that the page in question is a portuguese page.

To reproduce load in firefox the following page:
http://www.trabalhohoje.com.br/.

After the page is loaded press alt+shift+k and look for a link called
'Seguir @TrabalhoHoje'.
Press enter in this  link.

Now try to nivegate in the page use down and up arrow.

In my machine I can not by pass the text around this link.
Thanks.



                    

                    
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I like the list idea best. I personally haven't used bookmarks in Orca so
far but this might make it more attractive to me. I don't think I would
make use of the single number bookmarks and like you say, that gobbles up a
lot of key strokes that could be used for other functionality. Perhaps if
the list method is used and you get rid of the single digit bookmark keys,
you could implement single key navigation within the list; then you could
still have single key bookmark navigation but just having to press a single
key before the bookmark. I guess that would mean two-key bookmark
navigation, wouldn't it.:)


On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:48 PM,  wrote:

> I agree, I have not used that so far -- and what happens if the page
> changes out from under where the bookmark is -- or do you not use it on
> a web page -- and are they saved across sessions?
>
> Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza wrote:
>
> > Hi Joanie.
> > to be honest, I never used the bookmark function.
> > However, the suggestions you're proposing seem very reasonable.
> >
> > On 06/11/2015 05:37 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> > > Hey all.
> > >
> > > Looking more at the bookmark code, I've got the following ideas and
> > > would love your feedback to see if you agree or if I should just leav=
e
> > > well enough alone. 
> > >
> > > 1. I think a list-of-bookmarks dialog would be helpful, just like we
> > > have for structural navigation objects.
> > >
> > > 2. I think the next and previous bookmark commands are useful, and ar=
e
> > > also like structural navigation objects.
> > >
> > > 3. I question the value of having all these keybindings for numbered
> > > bookmarks. (i.e. there are 6 separate bindings for adding bookmarks,
> > > there are another 6 separate bindings for then going to a numbered
> > > bookmark.) Are these really needed, or would it be sufficient to have
> > > next, previous, and a list-of? Furthermore, if we get away from these
> > > numbered bookmarks, you could add however many you wanted and then us=
e
> > > the list-of dialog to get at them if next/previous was too far away.
> > >
> > > 4. I would like to remove the "where am I" bookmark functionality. To
> > > begin with, it's unbound and broken. Secondly, it appears that when
> > > working the functionality would be something like this: You press one
> of
> > > the numbered bookmarks. Let's say bookmark 5. Then Orca would tell yo=
u
> > > if the current object you're on is: a) the same as bookmark 5 b) has
> the
> > > same parent as bookmark 5, c) shares some common ancestor with bookma=
rk
> > > 5, or d) can't figure it out. I cannot imagine how knowing this
> > > information would be of any use. And since it's been broken for a
> while,
> > > and is also unbound, I'm guessing you all haven't found a use for it
> either.
> > >
> > > I have other ideas and questions, and I'm sure you do as well. But
> let's
> > > start with the above.
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > > --joanie
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > orca-list mailing list
> > > orca-list@gnome.org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > > The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >
> > --
> > Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza
> >
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I like the list idea best. I personally haven't used b=
ookmarks in Orca so far but this might make it more attractive to me. I don=
't think I would make use of the single number bookmarks and like you s=
ay, that gobbles up a lot of key strokes that could be used for other funct=
ionality. Perhaps if the list method is used and you get rid of the single =
digit bookmark keys, you could implement single key navigation within the l=
ist; then you could still have single key bookmark navigation but just havi=
ng to press a single key before the bookmark. I guess that would mean two-k=
ey bookmark navigation, wouldn't it.:)


On Thu, Jun 11, 2015 at 3:48 PM,  <covici@ccs.covici.com> wrote:
I agree, I have not used that so far -- and what happens if the page=


changes out from under where the bookmark is -- or do you not use it on

a web page -- and are they saved across sessions?




Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza wrote:



> Hi Joanie.

> to be honest, I never used the bookmark function.

> However, the suggestions you're proposing seem very reasonable.
>

> On 06/11/2015 05:37 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:

> > Hey all.

> >

> > Looking more at the bookmark code, I've got the following ide=
as and

> > would love your feedback to see if you agree or if I should just =
leave

> > well enough alone. <smiles>

> >

> > 1. I think a list-of-bookmarks dialog would be helpful, just like=
 we

> > have for structural navigation objects.

> >

> > 2. I think the next and previous bookmark commands are useful, an=
d are

> > also like structural navigation objects.

> >

> > 3. I question the value of having all these keybindings for numbe=
red

> > bookmarks. (i.e. there are 6 separate bindings for adding bookmar=
ks,

> > there are another 6 separate bindings for then going to a numbere=
d

> > bookmark.) Are these really needed, or would it be sufficient to =
have

> > next, previous, and a list-of? Furthermore, if we get away from t=
hese

> > numbered bookmarks, you could add however many you wanted and the=
n use

> > the list-of dialog to get at them if next/previous was too far aw=
ay.

> >

> > 4. I would like to remove the "where am I" bookmark fun=
ctionality. To

> > begin with, it's unbound and broken. Secondly, it appears tha=
t when

> > working the functionality would be something like this: You press=
 one of

> > the numbered bookmarks. Let's say bookmark 5. Then Orca would=
 tell you

> > if the current object you're on is: a) the same as bookmark 5=
 b) has the

> > same parent as bookmark 5, c) shares some common ancestor with bo=
okmark

> > 5, or d) can't figure it out. I cannot imagine how knowing th=
is

> > information would be of any use. And since it's been broken f=
or a while,

> > and is also unbound, I'm guessing you all haven't found a=
 use for it either.

> >

> > I have other ideas and questions, and I'm sure you do as well=
. But let's

> > start with the above.

> >

> > Thanks!

> > --joanie

> > _______________________________________________

> > orca-list mailing list

> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/o=
rca-list

> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orc=
a.

> > The manual is at http:=
//library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orc=
a/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/H=
owCanIHelp

>

> --

> Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza

>

> _______________________________________________

> orca-list mailing list

> orca-list@gnome.org

> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l=
ist

> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://lib=
rary.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Fre=
quentlyAskedQuestions

> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCan=
IHelp




--

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stion is:

How do

you spend it?



=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0John Covici

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Hi All,

 

I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22 box.  When moving around the
application I found that it was fairly navigable.  One issue I had and this
is an important one when I tried to open a java file,, or some kind of file,
I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?

 

Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is there any setup for accessibility
I need to do to get it to work?  Does one need the Java access bridge to get
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Hi All,
 
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Thanks =
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Best,
 
Juan

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With 4.4 Luna, all is perfectly wel.
have they broken some kind of accessibility I don't know.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Wednesday 08 July 2015 03:43 AM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22 box.  When moving around the 
> application I found that it was fairly navigable.  One issue I had and 
> this is an important one when I tried to open a java file,, or some 
> kind of file, I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is there any setup for 
> accessibility I need to do to get it to work?  Does one need the Java 
> access bridge to get eclipse usable?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Best,
>
> Juan
>
>
>
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    With 4.4 Luna, all is perfectly wel.

    have they broken some kind of accessibility I don't know.

    happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    
On Wednesday 08 July 2015 03:43 AM,
      Juan Hernandez wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        
Hi All,

        

        
I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22
          box. When moving around the application I found that it was
          fairly navigable. One issue I had and this is an important
          one when I tried to open a java file,, or some kind of file, I
          got nothing. Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?

        

        
Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is
          there any setup for accessibility I need to do to get it to
          work? Does one need the Java access bridge to get eclipse
          usable?

        

        
Thanks all.

        

        
Best,

        

        
Juan

      

      

      

      

      
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Hello all,

A friend of mine, who isn't on any of the international lists, has just 
installed Sonar 2015.2.
He has some issues, and he asked me if I can obtain some help on his behalf.

I don't want to disturb this group more than strictly necessary, so 
please, if there is a Sonar mailng list, could someone provide the link?
I did google it, but I don't seem to find any reference to THAT Sonar.

Thanks in advance for your help.
Ciao,
Ollie
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Hi.
Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3 by 
default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.
You can read more in the following link:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031

You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment variable 
called |SWT_GTK3 and set the value to 0.
Use the following command:
||export SWT_GTK3=0
You can include the command in your .bashrc file.

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On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22 box.  When moving around the 
> application I found that it was fairly navigable.  One issue I had and 
> this is an important one when I tried to open a java file,, or some 
> kind of file, I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is there any setup for 
> accessibility I need to do to get it to work?  Does one need the Java 
> access bridge to get eclipse usable?
>
> Thanks all.
>
> Best,
>
> Juan
>
>
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    Hi.

    Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3 by
    default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.

    You can read more in the following link:

    https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031

    

    You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment variable
    called SWT_GTK3 and set the value to 0.

      Use the following command:

    export SWT_GTK3=0

      You can include the command in your .bashrc file.

      

    
    
On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan Hernandez
      wrote:

    

    

      
      
      
      

        
Hi All,

        
 

        
I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22
          box.  When moving around the application I found that it was
          fairly navigable.  One issue I had and this is an important
          one when I tried to open a java file,, or some kind of file, I
          got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?

        
 

        
Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is
          there any setup for accessibility I need to do to get it to
          work?  Does one need the Java access bridge to get eclipse
          usable?

        
 

        
Thanks all.

        
 

        
Best,

        
 

        
Juan

      

      

      

      

      
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Sorry people,

I hadn't thought of adding the word "manjaro" to my google search. Now I 
found the Sonar Blog, and also the support mailing list . I have subscribed.

Thanks, ciao,
Ollie




Il 08/07/2015 11:08, Mallard ha scritto:
> Hello all,
>
> A friend of mine, who isn't on any of the international lists, has just
> installed Sonar 2015.2.
> He has some issues, and he asked me if I can obtain some help on his
> behalf.
>
> I don't want to disturb this group more than strictly necessary, so
> please, if there is a Sonar mailng list, could someone provide the link?
> I did google it, but I don't seem to find any reference to THAT Sonar.
>
> Thanks in advance for your help.
> Ciao,
> Ollie
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So does that mean, we will not be able to access apps using gtk3?
That will be a major setback.
I thought gnome 3 onwards we were using gtk3?
I don't know then how these apps are inaccessible?
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Wednesday 08 July 2015 03:07 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3 by 
> default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.
> You can read more in the following link:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
>
> You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment variable 
> called |SWT_GTK3 and set the value to 0.
> Use the following command:
> ||export SWT_GTK3=0
> You can include the command in your .bashrc file.
>
> |
> On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>> I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22 box.  When moving around the 
>> application I found that it was fairly navigable.  One issue I had 
>> and this is an important one when I tried to open a java file,, or 
>> some kind of file, I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is there any setup for 
>> accessibility I need to do to get it to work?  Does one need the Java 
>> access bridge to get eclipse usable?
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Juan
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
> -- 
> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>
>
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    So does that mean, we will not be able to access apps using gtk3?

    That will be a major setback.

    I thought gnome 3 onwards we were using gtk3?

    I don't know then how these apps are inaccessible?

    happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    

    
On Wednesday 08 July 2015 03:07 PM,
      Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

    

    

      
      Hi.

      Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3
      by default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.

      You can read more in the following link:

      https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031

      

      You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment
      variable called SWT_GTK3 and set the
        value to 0.

        Use the following command:

      export SWT_GTK3=0

        You can include the command in your .bashrc file.

        

      
      
On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan
        Hernandez wrote:

      

      

        
        
        
        

          
Hi All,

          

          
I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22
            box. When moving around the application I found that it was
            fairly navigable. One issue I had and this is an important
            one when I tried to open a java file,, or some kind of file,
            I got nothing. Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?

          

          
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
            Is there any setup for accessibility I need to do to get it
            to work? Does one need the Java access bridge to get
            eclipse usable?

          

          
Thanks all.

          

          
Best,

          

          
Juan

        

        

        

        

        
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-- 
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The problem is only related to eclipse and do not affect other apps.
According to what was reported in the bug, it is also present in eclipse 
4.4 but eclipse 4.4 uses gtk 2 by default.
You can force eclipse 4.4 to use gtk3 using the following command:
|export SWT_GTK3=1

I'd like to ask people in the list to vote for this bug in eclipse. 
Probably the votes can motivate the fix.
|https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031

On 07/08/2015 06:59 AM, kk wrote:
>
> So does that mean, we will not be able to access apps using gtk3?
> That will be a major setback.
> I thought gnome 3 onwards we were using gtk3?
> I don't know then how these apps are inaccessible?
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
>
> On Wednesday 08 July 2015 03:07 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3 by 
>> default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.
>> You can read more in the following link:
>> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
>>
>> You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment variable 
>> called |SWT_GTK3 and set the value to 0.
>> Use the following command:
>> ||export SWT_GTK3=0
>> You can include the command in your .bashrc file.
>>
>> |
>> On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22 box.  When moving around the 
>>> application I found that it was fairly navigable.  One issue I had 
>>> and this is an important one when I tried to open a java file,, or 
>>> some kind of file, I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?
>>>
>>> Any help would be greatly appreciated. Is there any setup for 
>>> accessibility I need to do to get it to work?  Does one need the 
>>> Java access bridge to get eclipse usable?
>>>
>>> Thanks all.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Juan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>> -- 
>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
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    The problem is only related to eclipse and do not affect other apps.

    According to what was reported in the bug, it is also present in
    eclipse 4.4 but eclipse 4.4 uses gtk 2 by default.

    You can force eclipse 4.4 to use gtk3 using the following command:

    export SWT_GTK3=1

      

      I'd like to ask people in the list to vote for this bug in
      eclipse. Probably the votes can motivate the fix.

    https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
    


      On 07/08/2015 06:59 AM, kk wrote:

    

    

      
      

      So does that mean, we will not be able to access apps using gtk3?

      That will be a major setback.

      I thought gnome 3 onwards we were using gtk3?

      I don't know then how these apps are inaccessible?

      happy hacking.

      Krishnakant.

      

      

      
On Wednesday 08 July 2015 03:07 PM,
        José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:

      

      

        
        Hi.

        Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using
        gtk3 by default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.

        You can read more in the following link:

        https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031

        

        You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment
        variable called SWT_GTK3 and set the
          value to 0.

          Use the following command:

        export SWT_GTK3=0

          You can include the command in your .bashrc file.

          

        
        
On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan
          Hernandez wrote:

        

        

          
          
          
          

            
Hi All,

            
 

            
I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22
              box.  When moving around the application I found that it
              was fairly navigable.  One issue I had and this is an
              important one when I tried to open a java file,, or some
              kind of file, I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible
              with orca?

            
 

            
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
              Is there any setup for accessibility I need to do to get
              it to work?  Does one need the Java access bridge to get
              eclipse usable?

            
 

            
Thanks all.

            
 

            
Best,

            
 

            
Juan

          

          

          

          

          
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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

        

        

        
-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

        

        

        

        
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

      

      

    

    

    
-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

  


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Hi,
I.d like try to describe a problem which occours in gedit.

Open a large txt file 20 KB.
Use arrow keys and pageup/down keys to navigate quickly in the opened 
document.
The result is that orca doesn't read something when using the arrow_keys.

I.am not sure if this is a problem in orca or gedit so.
please tell me if it is.
Then I.ll open a ticket for gedit.
Thx.
Halim
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Hey Halim.

I've seen delays without Orca running when opening or searching within
large files in Gedit. So my guess is that it's Gedit or Gtk+. But I need
to look into it more in order to file a bug the developers of the module
can easily reproduce and fix. In the meantime.... Attila has filed a bug
against Orca: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=746432

--joanie

On 07/09/2015 08:16 AM, Halim Sahin wrote:
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> I.d like try to describe a problem which occours in gedit.
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> Open a large txt file 20 KB.
> Use arrow keys and pageup/down keys to navigate quickly in the opened
> document.
> The result is that orca doesn't read something when using the arrow_keys.
> 
> I.am not sure if this is a problem in orca or gedit so.
> please tell me if it is.
> Then I.ll open a ticket for gedit.
> Thx.
> Halim
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Another problem I have been seeing in gedit for some time now is I
cannot get Orca to speak the status line. Pressing Orca+/ twice
quickly yields silence. Thus, I can't tell if insert mode is on or
not. I think this has been around for a long time.

Am I missing something here?
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Hello,
I think as a result of this loading big files such 2 MB file in size 
might even get to a point that such a file is not readable with orca.
When dealing with huge SQL dumps and similar huge data files, it would 
be awesome to have a text editor so we can at least confortably look 
into such files. Of course falling back to commandline e.g. using nano 
is a workaround I am doing in case gedit is not usable to me because of 
the file size.
An argument from the evil is that under Windows there is a way to open 
such a large file in notepad and there is no screen reader lag when 
navigating such a document. Rendering the document may of course be also 
time consuming on windows as well but this is something we can hardly 
solve here.

Greetings

Peter

On 09.07.2015 at 09:58 Steve Holmes wrote:
> Another problem I have been seeing in gedit for some time now is I
> cannot get Orca to speak the status line. Pressing Orca+/ twice
> quickly yields silence. Thus, I can't tell if insert mode is on or
> not. I think this has been around for a long time.
>
> Am I missing something here?
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Hi Steve.

That is due to this Gedit bug:
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=667047

--joanie

On 07/09/2015 09:58 AM, Steve Holmes wrote:
> Another problem I have been seeing in gedit for some time now is I
> cannot get Orca to speak the status line. Pressing Orca+/ twice
> quickly yields silence. Thus, I can't tell if insert mode is on or
> not. I think this has been around for a long time.
> 
> Am I missing something here?
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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> 

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Hi,
In gnome 3.14 orca doesn't read some button labels.
Don't know if this is a nautilus bug.
Start nautilus and try to switch to listview.

Halim

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Yes, Sometimes I need to inspect log files and gedit do not helps me 
because they are huge.

On 07/09/2015 05:34 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello,
> I think as a result of this loading big files such 2 MB file in size 
> might even get to a point that such a file is not readable with orca.
> When dealing with huge SQL dumps and similar huge data files, it would 
> be awesome to have a text editor so we can at least confortably look 
> into such files. Of course falling back to commandline e.g. using nano 
> is a workaround I am doing in case gedit is not usable to me because 
> of the file size.
> An argument from the evil is that under Windows there is a way to open 
> such a large file in notepad and there is no screen reader lag when 
> navigating such a document. Rendering the document may of course be 
> also time consuming on windows as well but this is something we can 
> hardly solve here.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
> On 09.07.2015 at 09:58 Steve Holmes wrote:
>> Another problem I have been seeing in gedit for some time now is I
>> cannot get Orca to speak the status line. Pressing Orca+/ twice
>> quickly yields silence. Thus, I can't tell if insert mode is on or
>> not. I think this has been around for a long time.
>>
>> Am I missing something here?
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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> The manual is at 
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Seems that Pluma may not have the same problems when editing large
files that Gedit is having, although I haven't tried opening any file
as large as 2MB, so your mileage may vary. That said, I think Pluma is
still using GTK2, so may not be ideal on pure GNOME systems. Still, it
does appear to be much faster on my machine that is running GNOME, so
it may be good to have as an option. Mousepad may be good as well, but
I don't have as much experience with it as I have with Pluma.
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Hi all,

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I was wondering how well orca works on other desktop managers like lxde, fl=
exbox, etc?

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I am looking for a lighter-weight desktop than gnome, but I need something =
very accessible out-of-the-box, and I am not sure I have seen any posts any=
where that say how well the other desktops work for accessibility.

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Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Sincerely,

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Hi all,
 
I was =
wondering how well orca works on other desktop managers like lxde, flexbox,=
 etc?
 
I am looking for a lighter-weight desktop than gnome, but I need so=
mething very accessible out-of-the-box, and I am not sure I have seen any p=
osts anywhere that say how well the other desktops work for accessibility.<=
o:p>
 
Any info would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely,
Donald  

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It's been a while since I've looked at LXDE or XFCE, but Mate is perhaps
your best bet for a light and accessible desktop.  There are a few minor
annoyances but you can get work done.  An example of one of these is
that file manager windows, in Icon mode, get announced as inaccessible,
though the window is partially so. Similarly, and it may be related,
when the cursor is on one of the file icons, orca things it is "not
selected".  The state of multiple selection seems not to be reported at
all.  Switching to List View may get you around this.  Another issue
I've encountered while playing with the Mate and Orca combination is
that, sometimes, orca has trouble putting focus onto panel widgets,
especially when your layout has two panels.  A specific instance:  Start
a system, using mate, and try connecting to a wifi spot.  You can put
orca onto the "no network connection" icon, but when you hit 'space' to
show the menu, nothing will happen; what's more: Orca seems stuck in the
panel until you right-click something, and escape the menus.  Again, you
can get around this one. In my LXDE and XFCE experiences, I had no
access, at all, to the panels and notification area.  What distro are
you using now?  You may be able to add a Mate session and try it.

I'll suggest two options, here for a Mate distro:  Ubuntu Mate edition
and Debian 8, with Mate chosen as desktop during network install.  Grab
the Ubuntu Mate live cd from http://ubuntu-mate.org.  Once the live
system is running, use 'ctrl+s' for speech, and select 'try ubuntu', to
get a live session.  If orca doesn't start use 'alt+f2' and type orca,
then hit enter.  Explore the system all you like, then use the
fully-accessible installer, if you are ready.

A final note:  I like the highly-tweaked Gnome Fallback setup, offered
as Trisquel GNU/Linux default.  To get a live Trisquel session going,
boot, and wait about a minute; orca will start, and you'll be on the
desktop.


That's quite a bit, and probably enough for now (from me, at least).  HTH,


Dave  Hunt

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MATE is probably the most accessible non-GNOME desktop. It's much like
the old GNOME 2.x interface, but with some major improvements overall.
Hope this helps.
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hi
Have you tried mate? It's a fork of the old gnome 2 but updated and
kept working. It's very accessible. The only thing to watch out for is
it's panel. Sometimes orca has trouble reading the applets the first
time through. If this happens to you, just right arrow back over them
and orca should read them fine. Mate just needs a little love from
orca developers, but joanie's got so much to do she hasn't had time.
It's just as accessible as gnome and often more so. I don't know what
distro you're using, but if you want an idea of what mate is like,
download ubuntu mate 14.04. When the desktop shows up, just press
windows+alt+s just like in gnome and orca should start. One other
thing to be aware of is that orca does say "not selected" after
desktop icons and in the file manager, I'm not sure what causes it.
Gnome and mate are really your only options for desktops. There's
unity, but to be honest it's probably not going to remain accessible
for much longer, because ubuntu is moving to unity 8 soon and there's
been no work done at all to make it accessible. Orca does not worka t
all with flux box,  but I think that's because fluxbox doesn't use
gtk, but another toolkit altogether. One last thing. Just because orca
doesn't work with a desktop, doesn't mean it won't work with any
applications. It will still work with firefox, brasero, etc regardless
of the desktop you run.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Don Raikes wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> I was wondering how well orca works on other desktop managers like
> lxde, flexbox, etc?
> 
> 
> 
> I am looking for a lighter-weight desktop than gnome, but I need
> something very accessible out-of-the-box, and I am not sure I have
> seen any posts anywhere that say how well the other desktops work
> for accessibility.
> 
> 
> 
> Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Donald
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
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> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
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> 
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Hi all,

I'm trying to test evolution and can't figure out how to read the body of 
a message. If I press enter or f6 from the message list, then it seems 
that the focus moves into the body of the message, but orca is silent if I 
try to use the cursor keys to read anything, although pressing tab moves 
me from link to link. Is there something I'm doing wrong? I'm guessing 
that everyone isn't running into this, since people have been posting 
saying that it works well for the most part.

Thanks,
-Mike
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Hi,

Did you enable the caret navigation via F7?
without this you cant navigate in the content as far as i know (as 
thunderbird user :) )
Am 09.07.2015 um 22:48 schrieb Mike Gorse:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm trying to test evolution and can't figure out how to read the body 
> of a message. If I press enter or f6 from the message list, then it 
> seems that the focus moves into the body of the message, but orca is 
> silent if I try to use the cursor keys to read anything, although 
> pressing tab moves me from link to link. Is there something I'm doing 
> wrong? I'm guessing that everyone isn't running into this, since 
> people have been posting saying that it works well for the most part.
>
> Thanks,
> -Mike
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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No; that's what I was missing. Thanks!

On Thu, 9 Jul 2015, chrys87 wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Did you enable the caret navigation via F7?
> without this you cant navigate in the content as far as i know (as 
> thunderbird user :) )
> Am 09.07.2015 um 22:48 schrieb Mike Gorse:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm trying to test evolution and can't figure out how to read the body of a 
>> message. If I press enter or f6 from the message list, then it seems that 
>> the focus moves into the body of the message, but orca is silent if I try 
>> to use the cursor keys to read anything, although pressing tab moves me 
>> from link to link. Is there something I'm doing wrong? I'm guessing that 
>> everyone isn't running into this, since people have been posting saying 
>> that it works well for the most part.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> -Mike
>> _______________________________________________
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>> orca-list@gnome.org
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>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Just for your Information (if not already known):
you have to do that in many more applications in gnome like in epiphany 
(the browser) or evince (the pdf viewer) because its mostly not default 
why ever.

maybe could you share your impressions of evolution :). I'm just 
interested in.


Am 09.07.2015 um 23:47 schrieb Mike Gorse:
> No; that's what I was missing. Thanks!
>
> On Thu, 9 Jul 2015, chrys87 wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> Did you enable the caret navigation via F7?
>> without this you cant navigate in the content as far as i know (as 
>> thunderbird user :) )
>> Am 09.07.2015 um 22:48 schrieb Mike Gorse:
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I'm trying to test evolution and can't figure out how to read the 
>>> body of a message. If I press enter or f6 from the message list, 
>>> then it seems that the focus moves into the body of the message, but 
>>> orca is silent if I try to use the cursor keys to read anything, 
>>> although pressing tab moves me from link to link. Is there something 
>>> I'm doing wrong? I'm guessing that everyone isn't running into this, 
>>> since people have been posting saying that it works well for the 
>>> most part.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> -Mike
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at 
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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>>
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I'm pretty sure folks will mostly recommend mate, but it is not as light as XfCE according to independent tests I've read and my experience as well as 
more or less official documentation although at least one person here seems to get different results. Lxde is even lighter, and then you have ultra 
light environments like Fluxbox, and the all time champ, ratpoison.
Mate is the only one that gives you almost complete accessibility out of the box or with very minor  adjustments to settings.  XFCE I like better for 
what it does, but panels are completely inaccessible, and the desktop is at best hit or mist with the default filemanager which is not really very 
usable all around, so I gave up on XFCE for now, and no work is going on re accessiblity there. 
LXDE gave me trouble  when I ran it a few years ago on Knopix, crashing a lot when I had more than one GUI window open, byut maybe that was a knopix 
thing, or maybe it's been fixed. ANYway, pcmanfm, LXDE's default and very awesome filemanager is perfectly accessible, and the fastest I've used with 
Orca. I think the same thing is still true with LXDE panels as we get with XFCE, nothing for us in other words.
Fluxbox is actually a pretty full featured system for sighted folks, but we get no panels, nor can we use the fluxbox applications menu or window menus. 
The panel is the only issue really, and I've long since worked my way around not having panels with a combination of scripts, utilities and keyboard 
shortcuts. 
I adapted a apps menu script and improved it, so I can send you your apps menu for fluxbox, or for any desktop with out an accessible one. Fluxbox rocks 
as the keyboard shortcuts can be very easily edited/very sijple syntax, and take more options than the shortcuts GUIs for gnome, XFCE, etc. You can also 
do many other cool things with fluxbox that you can't with other desktops or that is hidden. It's easy to get a program to always open in the same place 
maximized, or in any shape and size you want. 
My buddy Storm wrote a script for ratpoison and fluxbox that gives an accessible run dialog which theese are lacking. , and I have written a few scripts 
that give me the kind of info I would probably get from panel applets if they were accessible with Orca. To be clear the issues are not with orca, they 
are with the desktops.
So, can you guess what I use?
Yes, Fluxbox. I can help you get it together, but all you have to do is start orca  and make sure you have a couple gsettings right for accessibility. 
Fluxbox is just a window manager, so you will have to install all your programs, but I've made lists of what you need to turn it in to a full featured 
GUI Desktop. I used to use caja for the desktop management itself, i.e. displaying desktop icons, but have switched to pcmanfm for this. I only keep 
caja around for a couple things any more none of which is essential.
The speed difference and thriftiness with RAM are impressive on slow to slow average machines, e.g. atom using netbooks or your 2009-2010 ventage 
core2duo dual core systems. 
Not sure why you need or want light, but in my case needing to boot quickly and not particualarly caring about the heavily indexed search driven systems 
like gnome or Unity makes the path I've chosen a no brainer for me.
Unity and gnome have their points, but unless you have quad cores I can't see wasting CPU cycles on them, but this is just me of course. Each option has 
some things to like and some others to complain about or worse, but the shortcomings of fluxbox are so easy to get around that it's a good fit here.
There have been systems where I could not get fluxbox to work.  Manjaro with pulse audio gave me a ton of sound errors, maybe some speech ones as well, 
not been there for a while, but could not sort it out when I tried. I've used fluxbox on Vinux4 which is based on Ubuntu 12.04 with out any pulse audio 
issues, but there were some of the same accessibility issues that effected mate on that Ubuntu/Vinux release; probably due to old at-spi and the like. 
Write me off list for help with fluxbox. A lot of the same stuff applies to ratpoison, and even  xfce. My main gripe with ratpoison is need to type  two 
keystrokes for all the shortcuts, and with out shortcuts one is wasting time in my book. My apps menu willl work fine there if you don't mind going 
through menus for everything, but I find myself using the same 10-15 apps ten times more than everything else I've installed, so I have shortcuts for 
them. 
Besides saving on RAM and CPU cycles Fluxbox can stretch your battery a lot if you do a lot of reading or listening to music. 
What distro or distros are you using now?

    


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  Don Raikes wrote:
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>    Hi all,
> 
>    
> 
>    I was wondering how well orca works on other desktop managers like lxde,
>    flexbox, etc?
> 
>    
> 
>    I am looking for a lighter-weight desktop than gnome, but I need something
>    very accessible out-of-the-box, and I am not sure I have seen any posts
>    anywhere that say how well the other desktops work for accessibility.
> 
>    
> 
>    Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> 
>    Sincerely,
> 
>    Donald

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Yes, you are correct that fluxbox menus do not speak, but between storm and myself we've scripted our way around this, and the fact it does not tell you 
which workspace you are in is  what you get with gnome, and focus is a problem with gnome, i.e. you can't reliablyt stay in a given work space.
You know you have gotten in to another workspace because you have set up a filemanager to manage you desktop. Your options are only pcmanfm and caja as 
far as I know. There used to be some problems with nautilus, but maybe they no longer apply. 
Most navigation key bindings are the same as other desktops use, e.g. alt tab to switch windows, and all of these can be very easily customized, so the 
only thing extra you have to learn is that alt f10 maximizes. Alt f4 closes the window which may close the app or may iconify it depending on ap. Alt f5 
kills the app for sure. Same stuff is exported that was needed  before for mate, may still be. I've used every QT or GTK app with fluxbox that I have 
with gnome, unity or mate. 
Fluxbox can use gnome panel applets, kde ones as well, but they do not speak. If the fluxbox devs could work on getting the panel, (slit they call it), 
 to speak I'd say along with a couple of scripts it'd be the best thing going as it's so fast and stable.
   

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  kendell clark wrote:
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> hi
> Have you tried mate? It's a fork of the old gnome 2 but updated and
> kept working. It's very accessible. The only thing to watch out for is
> it's panel. Sometimes orca has trouble reading the applets the first
> time through. If this happens to you, just right arrow back over them
> and orca should read them fine. Mate just needs a little love from
> orca developers, but joanie's got so much to do she hasn't had time.
> It's just as accessible as gnome and often more so. I don't know what
> distro you're using, but if you want an idea of what mate is like,
> download ubuntu mate 14.04. When the desktop shows up, just press
> windows+alt+s just like in gnome and orca should start. One other
> thing to be aware of is that orca does say "not selected" after
> desktop icons and in the file manager, I'm not sure what causes it.
> Gnome and mate are really your only options for desktops. There's
> unity, but to be honest it's probably not going to remain accessible
> for much longer, because ubuntu is moving to unity 8 soon and there's
> been no work done at all to make it accessible. Orca does not worka t
> all with flux box,  but I think that's because fluxbox doesn't use
> gtk, but another toolkit altogether. One last thing. Just because orca
> doesn't work with a desktop, doesn't mean it won't work with any
> applications. It will still work with firefox, brasero, etc regardless
> of the desktop you run.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
> 
> 
> Don Raikes wrote:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I was wondering how well orca works on other desktop managers like
> > lxde, flexbox, etc?
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > I am looking for a lighter-weight desktop than gnome, but I need
> > something very accessible out-of-the-box, and I am not sure I have
> > seen any posts anywhere that say how well the other desktops work
> > for accessibility.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Any info would be greatly appreciated.
> > 
> > Sincerely,
> > 
> > Donald
> > 
> > 
> > 
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> > 
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Highly recommended to remove one of the panels and put everything on to one.

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  Dave Hunt wrote:
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> It's been a while since I've looked at LXDE or XFCE, but Mate is perhaps
> your best bet for a light and accessible desktop.  There are a few minor
> annoyances but you can get work done.  An example of one of these is
> that file manager windows, in Icon mode, get announced as inaccessible,
> though the window is partially so. Similarly, and it may be related,
> when the cursor is on one of the file icons, orca things it is "not
> selected".  The state of multiple selection seems not to be reported at
> all.  Switching to List View may get you around this.  Another issue
> I've encountered while playing with the Mate and Orca combination is
> that, sometimes, orca has trouble putting focus onto panel widgets,
> especially when your layout has two panels.  A specific instance:  Start
> a system, using mate, and try connecting to a wifi spot.  You can put
> orca onto the "no network connection" icon, but when you hit 'space' to
> show the menu, nothing will happen; what's more: Orca seems stuck in the
> panel until you right-click something, and escape the menus.  Again, you
> can get around this one. In my LXDE and XFCE experiences, I had no
> access, at all, to the panels and notification area.  What distro are
> you using now?  You may be able to add a Mate session and try it.
> 
> I'll suggest two options, here for a Mate distro:  Ubuntu Mate edition
> and Debian 8, with Mate chosen as desktop during network install.  Grab
> the Ubuntu Mate live cd from http://ubuntu-mate.org.  Once the live
> system is running, use 'ctrl+s' for speech, and select 'try ubuntu', to
> get a live session.  If orca doesn't start use 'alt+f2' and type orca,
> then hit enter.  Explore the system all you like, then use the
> fully-accessible installer, if you are ready.
> 
> A final note:  I like the highly-tweaked Gnome Fallback setup, offered
> as Trisquel GNU/Linux default.  To get a live Trisquel session going,
> boot, and wait about a minute; orca will start, and you'll be on the
> desktop.
> 
> 
> That's quite a bit, and probably enough for now (from me, at least).  HTH,
> 
> 
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hi
Agreed with bh here. This is what sonar mate edition does. I think,
but I can't remember, if ubuntu mate does this as well? I don't think
it does, but I know the developer a little and he takes accessibility
seriously, and it's one of the most accessiblt ubuntu distros around.
Thanks
Kendell clark


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Last I heard Ubuntu mate still has two panels, never tried Sonar's mate spin, but if they did not remove one panel they surely should as it's blink 
specific distro.


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> seriously, and it's one of the most accessiblt ubuntu distros around.
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Dear orca developers,
      I am working on XBoard Gtk to make it accessible. The version that
use TTS to announce the information is being tested by my visually impaired
friends.  As you know, using TTS is not a good method, so I just created a
solution by setting accessible description, so that screen reader can say
it. Unfortunately this demands a minor change in orca screen reader code
also(scripts/default.py). The patch is attached with this mail. Maybe we
have to provide a check box option in orca to enable this.

Quick way to compile accessible XBoard :
sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
git checkout gtk3
autoreconf --install
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
sudo make install

Please let me this amendment is feasible or not. Expecting an early reply
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ca to enable=C2=A0this.=C2=A0

Quick way to compile accessible XBoard :
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git checkout gtk3
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I am a bit unclear about what we need to do.=20
I think I do correctly understand that the xboard code has been updated sin=
ce your last post, so that does need to be rebuilt/will do.
As for as the orca patch: you seem to say that we need to change something =
in orca besides apply the patch to scripts/default.py, but maybe I am not=
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getting that right.=20
Is all we need to do is patch default.py?
Thanks/looking very forward to this.

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>    Dear orca developers,
>    =A0 =A0 =A0 I am working on XBoard Gtk to make it accessible. The vers=
ion that
>    use TTS to announce the information is being tested by my visually
>    impaired friends.=A0=A0As you know, using TTS is not a good=A0method,=
=A0so=A0I just
>    created a solution by setting accessible description, so=A0that screen
>    reader can say it. Unfortunately this demands a minor=A0change in orca
>    screen reader code also(scripts/default.py). The patch is attached with
>    this mail. Maybe we have to provide a check box option in orca to
>    enable=A0this.=A0
>    Quick way to compile accessible XBoard :
>    sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
>    git clone git://[1]git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
>    git checkout gtk3
>    autoreconf --install
>    ./configure --prefix=3D/usr
>    make
>    sudo make install=A0=A0=A0
>    Please let me this amendment is feasible or not. Expecting an early re=
ply
>    Nalin.=A0
>=20
> References
>=20
>    Visible links
>    1. http://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git

> diff --git a/default.py b/default.py
> index e0b17d3..63f4131 100644
> --- a/default.py
> +++ b/default.py
> @@ -531,6 +531,8 @@ class Script(script.Script):
>              self.onMouseButton
>          listeners["object:property-change:accessible-name"] =3D \
>              self.onNameChanged
> +        listeners["object:property-change:accessible-description"] =3D \
> +            self.onDescriptionChanged
>          listeners["object:text-caret-moved"]                =3D \
>              self.onCaretMoved
>          listeners["object:text-changed:delete"]             =3D \
> @@ -2299,6 +2301,12 @@ class Script(script.Script):
>          utterances.append(messages.TEXT_SELECTED)
>          speech.speak(utterances)
> =20
> +    def onDescriptionChanged(self, event):
> +        """Callback for object:property-change:accessible-description ev=
ents."""
> +        obj =3D event.source
> +        if self.utilities.isSameObject(obj, orca_state.locusOfFocus):
> +		       speech.speak(obj.description)
> +
>      def onNameChanged(self, event):
>          """Callback for object:property-change:accessible-name events."""
> =20

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Hi Nalin.

Please open a bug in GNOME's bugzilla describing the issue. I'm
traveling for business at the moment, but I'd like to see the issue
we're trying to solve and what alternatives might exist.

--joanie

On 07/10/2015 07:08 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> Dear orca developers,
>       I am working on XBoard Gtk to make it accessible. The version that
> use TTS to announce the information is being tested by my visually
> impaired friends.  As you know, using TTS is not a good method, so I
> just created a solution by setting accessible description, so that
> screen reader can say it. Unfortunately this demands a minor change in
> orca screen reader code also(scripts/default.py). The patch is attached
> with this mail. Maybe we have to provide a check box option in orca to
> enable this. 
> 
> Quick way to compile accessible XBoard :
> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
> 
> git checkout gtk3
> autoreconf --install
> ./configure --prefix=/usr
> make
> sudo make install   
> 
> Please let me this amendment is feasible or not. Expecting an early
> reply Nalin. 
> 
> 
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Hi Nalin, kk here.
I will test this.
I am travelling now and will be reaching my destination by evening.
Can you mail me off the list , I need to discuss some thing about the 
entire idea itself.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Friday 10 July 2015 10:38 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> Dear orca developers,
>       I am working on XBoard Gtk to make it accessible. The version 
> that use TTS to announce the information is being tested by my 
> visually impaired friends.  As you know, using TTS is not a 
> good method, so I just created a solution by setting accessible 
> description, so that screen reader can say it. Unfortunately this 
> demands a minor change in orca screen reader code 
> also(scripts/default.py). The patch is attached with this mail. Maybe 
> we have to provide a check box option in orca to enable this.
>
> Quick way to compile accessible XBoard :
> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git 
> 
> git checkout gtk3
> autoreconf --install
> ./configure --prefix=/usr
> make
> sudo make install
>
> Please let me this amendment is feasible or not. Expecting an early 
> reply Nalin.
>
>
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    Hi Nalin, kk here.

    I will test this.

    I am travelling now and will be reaching my destination by evening.

    Can you mail me off the list , I need to discuss some thing about
    the entire idea itself.

    Happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    
On Friday 10 July 2015 10:38 AM,
      Nalin.x.Linux wrote:

    

    

      
Dear orca developers,
        
   I am working on XBoard Gtk to make it accessible. The
          version that use TTS to announce the information is being
          tested by my visually impaired friends.As you know, using TTS
            is not a goodmethod,soI just created a solution by
            setting accessible description, sothat screen reader can
            say it. Unfortunately this demands a minorchange in orca
            screen reader code also(scripts/default.py). The patch is
            attached with this mail. Maybe we have to provide a check
            box option in orca to enablethis.

        


          

        
Quick way to
            compile accessible XBoard :

        sudo apt-get install
          fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential

        git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git

        git checkout gtk3

        autoreconf --install

        ./configure
          --prefix=/usr

        make

        
sudo make
            install

        


        

        
Please let me this amendment is feasible or not. Expecting
          an early reply Nalin.

      

      

      

      

      
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hi all
I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps and control
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fixed. Can anyone on here give me some generic c code to set an
accessible widget label and a tooltip? I don't need anything fancy to
write callbacks since that's already been implemented in the ui code.
I just need a label and a tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the
buttons. I'm assuming they go inside the button definition? I'm
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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:49 PM, B. Henry  wrote:
> I am a bit unclear about what we need to do.
> I think I do correctly understand that the xboard code has been updated since your last post, so that does need to be rebuilt/will do.
> As for as the orca patch: you seem to say that we need to change something in orca besides apply the patch to scripts/default.py, but maybe I am not
> getting that right.
> Is all we need to do is patch default.py?
> Thanks/looking very forward to this.
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>      B.H.

Actually we are trying to pass  the information to orca via setting
accessible description on Board Drawing Area. But at present orca is
not announcing the change in accessible-description on currently
focused widget. This patch will make orca announce
accessible-description when focused widgets description gets changed.

Yes we made lot of change after the last post. If you want to try the
new way first of all compile the xboard using following command then
apply the orca patch to default/scripts.py

sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
git checkout gtk3
autoreconf --install
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
sudo make install

Download the patch from previous mail and apply it using following command.

patch /usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/orca/scripts/default.py <
~/Download/announce_description_change.patch

Please use directory path according to your os distribution.
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Hi Kendell, 

I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how this does work:

Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by glade)
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=c72062ba65f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5
https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=7afbac0a64f1734842ed64e333c9147de1cdbcd9
the same as c++ code
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=2a76776e8d6247aef5ac8970f25f7ec41c274440

assign a lable in xml

  

like here (line 154)
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/printers/printers.ui?id=38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154

here is also some useful information:
https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Accessibility

cheers chrys

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> fixed. Can anyone on here give me some generic c code to set an
> accessible widget label and a tooltip? I don't need anything fancy to
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Wow, that's quite a job you have cut out for yourself.  Hope you get a =
more precise response than this.  In the event that you don't, you might =
want to try and use an IDE or something to help you find the right thing =
to add the text to.  Sometimes, the IDES will let you fill out widget =
attributes as though they were fields in a form or something.  Glade and =
Anjuta come to mind for GTK+.  If all else fails, try installing those =
on your machine and play around with them a bit and then see if you can =
determine what to label where in some application's source code.  I =
tried doing this some years back but lacked the time and patience to do =
a good job of it since my kids were still in diapers.  It's great that =
you are willing to take this on.  You might also try poling people on =
the program-l mailing list. =20

Regards,
Alex M


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hi all
I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps and control =
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and send in patches to the bug reports I have open so they can be fixed. =
Can anyone on here give me some generic c code to set an accessible =
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I just need a label and a tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the =
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Hi,

Could you tell me:
- how does Orca support languages such as Russian, Chinese, Corean, etc? 
Does it support them?
- If I have a latin environment and I need read a non-latin text, can 
Orca handle this? So far I tried on a French system reading with Espeak 
and Orca a Russian text, it didn't seem great. Any feedback on such 
expe!iences?

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On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Joanmarie Diggs  wrote:
> Hi Nalin.
>
> Please open a bug in GNOME's bugzilla describing the issue. I'm
> traveling for business at the moment, but I'd like to see the issue
> we're trying to solve and what alternatives might exist.
>
> --joanie
>
Finally I done this as guided by Joanmarie. Thansk a lot!! Now there
is no need for changing orca to support xboard. Please test the latest
git version using following commands.

sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
git checkout gtk3
autoreconf --install
./configure --prefix=/usr
make
sudo make install

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Hi,
This is almost perfect. The only thing that could use a bit of improvement =
is, it say notification before each thing. So, if I select the white knight=
 it says "notification white knight". Could it be made to just say the sele=
cted piece without also saying "notification"?
This is very cool, thanks for making Xboard accessible :)
Storm
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 01:27:30PM +0530, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
>On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Joanmarie Diggs  wrot=
e:
>> Hi Nalin.
>>
>> Please open a bug in GNOME's bugzilla describing the issue. I'm
>> traveling for business at the moment, but I'd like to see the issue
>> we're trying to solve and what alternatives might exist.
>>
>> --joanie
>>
>Finally I done this as guided by Joanmarie. Thansk a lot!! Now there
>is no need for changing orca to support xboard. Please test the latest
>git version using following commands.
>
>sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
>git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
>git checkout gtk3
>autoreconf --install
>./configure --prefix=3D/usr
>make
>sudo make install
>
>Please give me the feedback on how orca report the information.
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hello all,
This is bad news.
Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from experienced 
people.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

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I received the following, perhaps it can help.
It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
wrote:

> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
> using its own api [1].
>
> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
> working fine for me.
>
> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
> # Maintainer: Javier 
> pkgname=purple-facebook
> pkgver=a34b993324e4
> pkgrel=1
> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
> license=('GPL2')
> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
> source=("
> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
> ")
> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>
> build() {
>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>    make
> }
>
> package() {
>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
> }
>
> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> --
> Javier
>
> [1]
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)



On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
> hello all,
> This is bad news.
> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
> experienced people.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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    I received the following, perhaps it can help.

    It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

    

    

      
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



      

        
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



      

      
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


    

    

    

    
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

    

    
hello
      all,
      

      This is bad news.
      

      Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
      

      So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
      

      I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
      experienced people.
      

      Happy hacking.
      

      Krishnakant.
      

      

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      Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
      

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      http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
      

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      Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
      

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> This is almost perfect. The only thing that could use a bit of improvement
> is, it say notification before each thing. So, if I select the white knight
> it says "notification white knight". Could it be made to just say the
> selected piece without also saying "notification"?
> This is very cool, thanks for making Xboard accessible :)
> Storm

Thanks storm dragon for testing. Ahh you can prevent saying
"notification" via a simple technique. Just open orca preferences for
xboard, go to pronunciation page and add a new entry with text
"notification" and space as replacement string. BTW please let me
know, should it announce the word "Move" with each move.
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It seems there is some thing wrong.
Is there a deb package for this?
I tryed the source but ./configure won't work
I tryed ..
I am really getting worried now.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.autogen.sh but that also does not work/

On Saturday 11 July 2015 06:50 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
> wrote:
>
>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>> using its own api [1].
>>
>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>> working fine for me.
>>
>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>> pkgrel=1
>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>> license=('GPL2')
>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>> source=("
>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>> ")
>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>
>> build() {
>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>    make
>> }
>>
>> package() {
>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>> }
>>
>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> --
>> Javier
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>
> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
> aur(4)
>
>
> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>> hello all,
>> This is bad news.
>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>> experienced people.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
> -- 
> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza


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    It seems there is some thing wrong.

    Is there a deb package for this?

    I tryed the source but ./configure won't work

    I tryed ..

    I am really getting worried now.

    happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.autogen.sh but that also does not work/

    

    
On Saturday 11 July 2015 06:50 PM, Jos
      Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

    

    

      
      I received the following, perhaps it can help.

      It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

      

      

        
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



        

          
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



        

        
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


      

      

      

      
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

      

      
hello

        all, 

        This is bad news. 

        Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

        So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca? 

        I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
        experienced people. 

        Happy hacking. 

        Krishnakant. 

        

        _______________________________________________ 

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        orca-list@gnome.org 

        https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
        

        Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
        for more information on Orca. 

        The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
        

        The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
        

        Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
        

        Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
        

      

      

      
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This is good work.
I want to know all the detailed instructions on playing.
I could not get it.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Saturday 11 July 2015 01:27 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2015 at 12:53 PM, Joanmarie Diggs  wrote:
>> Hi Nalin.
>>
>> Please open a bug in GNOME's bugzilla describing the issue. I'm
>> traveling for business at the moment, but I'd like to see the issue
>> we're trying to solve and what alternatives might exist.
>>
>> --joanie
>>
> Finally I done this as guided by Joanmarie. Thansk a lot!! Now there
> is no need for changing orca to support xboard. Please test the latest
> git version using following commands.
>
> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git
> git checkout gtk3
> autoreconf --install
> ./configure --prefix=/usr
> make
> sudo make install
>
> Please give me the feedback on how orca report the information.
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On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:21 PM, kk  wrote:
> This is good work.
> I want to know all the detailed instructions on playing.
> I could not get it.
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.

Ohh Krishnakant G, I think you have to explore the Accessibility Menu
of XBoard. If you have any confusion with Algebraic notation please
see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algebraic_notation_(chess). One can
also play using arrow keys.
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Hello,
Orca can't switch TTS language automatically for example when proper 
markup is detected inside a document such as on the web and / or within 
libre office documents however if you set your TTS and orca interface 
language manually or via profile, then you can read whatever language 
you like.
Depending on the synth you do have some limited choices. With eSpeak for 
example choosing russian or chinese voice you will get latin texts read 
with english pronunciation and russian text with russian pronunciation 
and so on.
I don't know multilingual orca users who take advantage of these 
features in person but I guess Jos is switching between english and 
portuguese settings via orca profiles and it is working fine.

Greetings

Peter


On 10.07.2015 at 11:45 MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Could you tell me:
> - how does Orca support languages such as Russian, Chinese, Corean, 
> etc? Does it support them?
> - If I have a latin environment and I need read a non-latin text, can 
> Orca handle this? So far I tried on a French system reading with 
> Espeak and Orca a Russian text, it didn't seem great. Any feedback on 
> such expe!iences?
>
> Thanks for feedback
>
> Regards,
>

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Thanks. I'd assumed it was the auth system that had changed, but that 
was foolish of me as I do not show accounts unconnected, just can't see 
friends lists.
They did break most of their API(s) a month or two ago so no status 
updates, newsfeeds or such from stand alone desktop apps.
I'll be checking this out/hope bitlbee gets their act together soon for 
this as well/facebook goes and wastes more of our time, yet again!
I'm getting to the point of saying to hell with them even though there 
is a price to pay for that these daze.


	     B.H.
    
Registerd Linux User 521886



-------- Forwarded Message --------
Subject: 	Re: [orca-list] pidgin and fb stopped working together, what now?
Date: 	Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:20:48 -0300
From: 	Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza 
Reply-To: 	vilmar@informal.com.br
Organization: 	Informal Informatica LTDA
To: 	kk , Orca List 



I received the following, perhaps it can help.
It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
wrote:

> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
> using its own api [1].
>
> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
> working fine for me.
>
> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
> # Maintainer: Javier 
> pkgname=purple-facebook
> pkgver=a34b993324e4
> pkgrel=1
> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
> license=('GPL2')
> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
> source=("
> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
> ")
> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>
> build() {
>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>    make
> }
>
> package() {
>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
> }
>
> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>
>
> --
> Javier
>
> [1]
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)



On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
> hello all,
> This is bad news.
> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
> experienced people.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza




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    Thanks. I'd assumed it was the auth system that had changed, but
    that was foolish of me as I do not show accounts unconnected, just
    can't see friends lists. 

    They did break most of their API(s) a month or two ago so no status
    updates, newsfeeds or such from stand alone desktop apps. 

    I'll be checking this out/hope bitlbee gets their act together soon
    for this as well/facebook goes and wastes more of our time, yet
    again!

    I'm getting to the point of saying to hell with them even though
    there is a price to pay for that these daze.

     

    


      
	     B.H.
   
Registerd Linux User 521886


      

      

      -------- Forwarded Message --------
      

        
          

            Subject:
            
            Re: [orca-list] pidgin and fb stopped working together,
              what now?
          

          

            Date: 
            Sat, 11 Jul 2015 10:20:48 -0300
          

          

            From: 
            Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
              <vilmar@informal.com.br>
          

          

            Reply-To:
            
            vilmar@informal.com.br
          

          

            Organization:
            
            Informal Informatica LTDA
          

          

            To: 
            kk <krmane@gmail.com>, Orca List
              <orca-list@gnome.org>
          

        
      

      

      

      
      I received the following, perhaps it can help.

      It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

      

      

        
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



        

          
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



        

        
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


      

      

      

      
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

      

      
hello

        all, 

        This is bad news. 

        Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

        So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca? 

        I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
        experienced people. 

        Happy hacking. 

        Krishnakant. 

        

        _______________________________________________ 

        orca-list mailing list 

        orca-list@gnome.org 

        https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
        

        Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
        for more information on Orca. 

        The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
        

        The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
        

        Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
        

        Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
        

      

      

      
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

      

    

    

  


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The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't forget to 
clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear in 
your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are using arch 
you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.

      B.H.
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On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>
> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
> wrote:
>
>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>> using its own api [1].
>>
>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>> working fine for me.
>>
>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>> pkgrel=1
>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>> license=('GPL2')
>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>> source=("
>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>> ")
>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>
>> build() {
>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>    make
>> }
>>
>> package() {
>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>> }
>>
>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>
>>
>> --
>> Javier
>>
>> [1]
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>
> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
> aur(4)
>
>
> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>> hello all,
>> This is bad news.
>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>> experienced people.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
> -- 
> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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Just to report that it is indeed
      working fine here too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g.
      > and any broken lines that may appear in your email message
      before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are using arch you don't
      need the reminder most likely...smiles.

      Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.

      

      
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


      On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

    

    

      

        
      

      I received the following, perhaps it can help.

      It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

      

      

        
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



        

          
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



        

        
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


      

      

      

      
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

      

      
hello

        all, 

        This is bad news. 

        Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

        So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca? 

        I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
        experienced people. 

        Happy hacking. 

        Krishnakant. 

        

        _______________________________________________ 

        orca-list mailing list 

        orca-list@gnome.org 

        https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
        

        Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
        for more information on Orca. 

        The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
        

        The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
        

        Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
        

        Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
        

      

      

      
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

      

      

      

      

        
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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Maybe I can build you one, will try in a bit, but why so worried_ the 
website is very usable with orca and firefox.
Chat worked fine with lynx and elinks and speakup also last time I tried.

      B.H.
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On 11/07/15 09:48 AM, kk wrote:
>
> It seems there is some thing wrong.
> Is there a deb package for this?
> I tryed the source but ./configure won't work
> I tryed ..
> I am really getting worried now.
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.autogen.sh but that also does not work/
>
> On Saturday 11 July 2015 06:50 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>>> using its own api [1].
>>>
>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>> working fine for me.
>>>
>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>> pkgrel=1
>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>> license=('GPL2')
>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>> source=("
>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>> ")
>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>
>>> build() {
>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>    make
>>> }
>>>
>>> package() {
>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>> }
>>>
>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Javier
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>
>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
>> aur(4)
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>> hello all,
>>> This is bad news.
>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>> experienced people.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at 
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>> -- 
>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>
>
>
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Maybe I can build you one, will try in
      a bit, but why so worried_ the website is very usable with orca
      and firefox.

      Chat worked fine with lynx and elinks and speakup also last time I
      tried.

        

      
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


      On 11/07/15 09:48 AM, kk wrote:

    

    

      
      

      It seems there is some thing wrong.

      Is there a deb package for this?

      I tryed the source but ./configure won't work

      I tryed ..

      I am really getting worried now.

      happy hacking.

      Krishnakant.autogen.sh but that also does not work/

      

      
On Saturday 11 July 2015 06:50 PM,
        Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

      

      
 I received the following, perhaps it can help.

        It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

        

        

          
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



          

            
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



          

          
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


        

        

        

        
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

        

        
hello


          all, 

          This is bad news. 

          Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

          So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
          

          I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
          experienced people. 

          Happy hacking. 

          Krishnakant. 

          

          _______________________________________________ 

          orca-list mailing list 

          orca-list@gnome.org 

          https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
          

          Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
          for more information on Orca. 

          The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
          

          The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
          

          Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
          

          Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
          

        

        

        
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

      

      

      

      

      

      
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Hi Birt,
I would be very thankful if you build it.
By the way can I chat using firefox and orca on fb?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:52 AM, B.Henry wrote:
> Maybe I can build you one, will try in a bit, but why so worried_ the 
> website is very usable with orca and firefox.
> Chat worked fine with lynx and elinks and speakup also last time I tried.
>
>       B.H.
>     Registerd Linux User 521886
> On 11/07/15 09:48 AM, kk wrote:
>>
>> It seems there is some thing wrong.
>> Is there a deb package for this?
>> I tryed the source but ./configure won't work
>> I tryed ..
>> I am really getting worried now.
>> happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.autogen.sh but that also does not work/
>>
>> On Saturday 11 July 2015 06:50 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>
>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>> source=("
>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>> ")
>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>
>>>> build() {
>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>    make
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> package() {
>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Javier
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>
>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
>>> aur(4)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>> hello all,
>>>> This is bad news.
>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>>> experienced people.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is at 
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>


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    Hi Birt,

    I would be very thankful if you build it.

    By the way can I chat using firefox and orca on fb?

    Happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    

    
On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:52 AM,
      B.Henry wrote:

    

    

      
      
Maybe I can build you one, will try
        in a bit, but why so worried_ the website is very usable with
        orca and firefox.

        Chat worked fine with lynx and elinks and speakup also last time
        I tried.

          

        
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


        On 11/07/15 09:48 AM, kk wrote:

      

      

        
        

        It seems there is some thing wrong.

        Is there a deb package for this?

        I tryed the source but ./configure won't work

        I tryed ..

        I am really getting worried now.

        happy hacking.

        Krishnakant.autogen.sh but that also does not work/

        

        
On Saturday 11 July 2015 06:50 PM,
          Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

        

        
 I received the following, perhaps it can help.

          It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

          

          

            
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



            

              
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



            

            
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


          

          

          

          
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

          

          
hello



            all, 

            This is bad news. 

            Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

            So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using
            Orca? 

            I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
            experienced people. 

            Happy hacking. 

            Krishnakant. 

            

            _______________________________________________ 

            orca-list mailing list 

            orca-list@gnome.org
            

            https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
            

            Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
            for more information on Orca. 

            The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
            

            The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
            

            Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
            

            Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
            

          

          

          
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

        

        

        

        

        

        
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

      

      

    

    

  


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I could not compine it.
Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing 
works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with the 
setup.
Can any one guide me?
I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to some 
share/purple directory or some thing.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't forget 
> to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear 
> in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are using 
> arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>
>       B.H.
>     Registerd Linux User 521886
> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>
>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>>> using its own api [1].
>>>
>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>> working fine for me.
>>>
>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>> pkgrel=1
>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>> license=('GPL2')
>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>> source=("
>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>> ")
>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>
>>> build() {
>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>    make
>>> }
>>>
>>> package() {
>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>> }
>>>
>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Javier
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>
>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
>> aur(4)
>>
>>
>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>> hello all,
>>> This is bad news.
>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>> experienced people.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at 
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>> -- 
>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
>
>
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    I could not compine it.

    Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>

    I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
    works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with
    the setup.

    Can any one guide me?

    I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to
    some share/purple directory or some thing.

    happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    

    
On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM,
      B.Henry wrote:

    

    

      
      
Just to report that it is indeed
        working fine here too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars,
        e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear in your email
        message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are using arch
        you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.

        Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.

        

        
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


        On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

      

      

        

          
        

        I received the following, perhaps it can help.

        It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

        

        

          
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



          

            
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



          

          
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


        

        

        

        
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

        

        
hello


          all, 

          This is bad news. 

          Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

          So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
          

          I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
          experienced people. 

          Happy hacking. 

          Krishnakant. 

          

          _______________________________________________ 

          orca-list mailing list 

          orca-list@gnome.org 

          https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
          

          Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
          for more information on Orca. 

          The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
          

          The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
          

          Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
          

          Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
          

        

        

        
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

        

        

        

        

          
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orca-list@gnome.org
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The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

        

      

      

      

      

      

      
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Hello,
This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook, my 
girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are connecting via 
xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least I can see all my 
contacts online.
Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
> I could not compine it.
> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing 
> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with 
> the setup.
> Can any one guide me?
> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to 
> some share/purple directory or some thing.
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
>
> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't forget 
>> to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear 
>> in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are 
>> using arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>>
>>       B.H.
>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>
>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>
>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>>
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>> source=("
>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>> ")
>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>
>>>> build() {
>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>    make
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> package() {
>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>> }
>>>>
>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Javier
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>
>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
>>> aur(4)
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>> hello all,
>>>> This is bad news.
>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>>> experienced people.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is at 
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
>
>
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Hello,

      This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on
      facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both
      are connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at
      least I can see all my contacts online.

      Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.

      

      Greetings

      

      Peter

      

      On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:

    

    

      
      I could not compine it.

      Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>

      I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
      works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further
      with the setup.

      Can any one guide me?

      I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied
      to some share/purple directory or some thing.

      happy hacking.

      Krishnakant.

      

      

      
On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM,
        B.Henry wrote:

      

      

        
        
Just to report that it is indeed
          working fine here too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars,
          e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear in your email
          message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are using arch
          you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.

          Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.

          

          
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


          On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

        

        

          

            
          

          I received the following, perhaps it can help.

          It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

          

          

            
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



            

              
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



            

            
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


          

          

          

          
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:

          

          
hello



            all, 

            This is bad news. 

            Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

            So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using
            Orca? 

            I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
            experienced people. 

            Happy hacking. 

            Krishnakant. 

            

            _______________________________________________ 

            orca-list mailing list 

            orca-list@gnome.org
            

            https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
            

            Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
            for more information on Orca. 

            The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
            

            The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
            

            Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
            

            Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
            

          

          

          
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

          

          

          

          

            
_______________________________________________
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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
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Hi Peter,
How do you install the plugin?
Secondly, how do you chat?
Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
Can you mail me off the list about the details?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:
> Hello,
> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook, 
> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are connecting 
> via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least I can see 
> all my contacts online.
> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>> I could not compine it.
>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing 
>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with 
>> the setup.
>> Can any one guide me?
>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to 
>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>> happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't forget 
>>> to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear 
>>> in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are 
>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>>>
>>>       B.H.
>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>
>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>>>
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>> source=("
>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>> ")
>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>
>>>>> build() {
>>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>>    make
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> package() {
>>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>> }
>>>>>
>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Javier
>>>>>
>>>>> [1]
>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
>>>> aur(4)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>> hello all,
>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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    Hi Peter,

    How do you install the plugin?

    Secondly, how do you chat?

    Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?

    Can you mail me off the list about the details?

    Happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    

    
On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter
      Vgner wrote:

    

    

      
      
Hello,

        This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on
        facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we
        both are connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even
        today at least I can see all my contacts online.

        Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.

        

        Greetings

        

        Peter

        

        On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:

      

      

        
        I could not compine it.

        Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>

        I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still
        nothing works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any
        further with the setup.

        Can any one guide me?

        I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied
        to some share/purple directory or some thing.

        happy hacking.

        Krishnakant.

        

        

        
On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM,
          B.Henry wrote:

        

        

          
          
Just to report that it is indeed
            working fine here too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars,
            e.g. > and any broken lines that may appear in your email
            message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are using
            arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.

            Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.

            

            
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


            On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

          

          

            

              
            

            I received the following, perhaps it can help.

            It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

            

            

              
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



              

                
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



              

              
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


            

            

            

            
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk
              wrote:

            

            
hello all, 

              This is bad news. 

              Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

              So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using
              Orca? 

              I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2
              from experienced people. 

              Happy hacking. 

              Krishnakant. 

              

              _______________________________________________ 

              orca-list mailing list 

              orca-list@gnome.org
              

              https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
              

              Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca
              for more information on Orca. 

              The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
              

              The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
              

              Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
              

              Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
              

            

            

            
-- 
Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

            

            

            

            

              
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

            

          

          

          

          

          

          
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

        

        

        

        

        

        
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

      

      

    

    

  


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Hello,
There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird has 
this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.
Knowing this you can just go to
Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open. In 
the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit next and fill 
in your account name and password on upcoming screens. Your facebook 
account is not your email address nor your phone number. You can opt to 
have one on the facebook website if you had not done this previously.
With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, 
they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I am 
afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me like this.

Back to facebook-purple Jos has recommended, the following is an 
excerpt from their readme...

Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are installed 
with their headers and development information. If these packages came 
from the distribution's repository, they will likely need additional 
development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.


I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get will 
help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.
On archlinux, Jos has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to build 
this.

Greetings

Peter

On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
> Hi Peter,
> How do you install the plugin?
> Secondly, how do you chat?
> Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
> Can you mail me off the list about the details?
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
>
> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>> Hello,
>> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook, 
>> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are 
>> connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least 
>> I can see all my contacts online.
>> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>> I could not compine it.
>>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing 
>>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with 
>>> the setup.
>>> Can any one guide me?
>>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to 
>>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>>> happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't 
>>>> forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that 
>>>> may appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if 
>>>> you are using arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
>>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>>>>
>>>>       B.H.
>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
>>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>>
>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>>> source=("
>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>> ")
>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>
>>>>>> build() {
>>>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>    ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>>>    make
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> package() {
>>>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>    make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>
>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>
>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
>>>>> aur(4)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>


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Hello,

      There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.

      Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird
      has this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.

      Knowing this you can just go to

      Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard
      should open. In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook
      chat. Hit next and fill in your account name and password on
      upcoming screens. Your facebook account is not your email address
      nor your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
      website if you had not done this previously.

      With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete
      everywhere, they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing
      that so I am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working
      for me like this.

      

      Back to facebook-purple Jos has recommended, the following is an
      excerpt from their readme...

      

      
Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
        installed
        with their headers and development information. If these
        packages came
        from the distribution's repository, they will likely need
        additional
        development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.

      

      I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get
      will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.

      On archlinux, Jos has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to
      build this.

      

      Greetings

      

      Peter

      

      On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:

    

    

      
      Hi Peter,

      How do you install the plugin?

      Secondly, how do you chat?

      Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?

      Can you mail me off the list about the details?

      Happy hacking.

      Krishnakant.

      

      

      
On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM,
        Peter Vgner wrote:

      

      

        
        
Hello,

          This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on
          facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we
          both are connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even
          today at least I can see all my contacts online.

          Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.

          

          Greetings

          

          Peter

          

          On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:

        

        

          
          I could not compine it.

          Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>

          I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still
          nothing works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any
          further with the setup.

          Can any one guide me?

          I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be
          coppied to some share/purple directory or some thing.

          happy hacking.

          Krishnakant.

          

          

          
On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM,
            B.Henry wrote:

          

          

            
            
Just to report that it is
              indeed working fine here too. Don't forget to clean up
              quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that may
              appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD,
              but if you are using arch you don't need the reminder most
              likely...smiles.

              Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.

              

              
     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886


              On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:

            

            

              

                
              

              I received the following, perhaps it can help.

              It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org

              

              

                
On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier Vasquez <j.e.vasquez.v@gmail.com>
wrote:



                

                  
I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and it's
using its own api [1].

However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
working fine for me.

If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:

++++++++++++++++++++++
# Maintainer: Javier <j.e.vasquez.v at gmail dot com>
pkgname=purple-facebook
pkgver=a34b993324e4
pkgrel=1
pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
arch=("i686" "x86_64")
url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
license=('GPL2')
depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
source=("
https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
")
md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')

build() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  ./configure --prefix=/usr
  make
}

package() {
  cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
  make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
  install -Dm644 COPYING "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
}

# vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
++++++++++++++++++++++


--
Javier

[1]
http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
[2]  https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook



                

                
I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it to
aur(4)


              

              

              

              
On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk
                wrote:

              

              
hello all, 

                This is bad news. 

                Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems. 

                So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using
                Orca? 

                I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2
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                Happy hacking. 

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On 12/07/2015, Peter V=C3=A1gner  wrote:
> Hello,
> There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird has
> this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.
> Knowing this you can just go to
> Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open. In
> the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit next and fill
> in your account name and password on upcoming screens. Your facebook
> account is not your email address nor your phone number. You can opt to
> have one on the facebook website if you had not done this previously.
> With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere,
> they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I am
> afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me like this.
>
> Back to facebook-purple Jos=C3=A9 has recommended, the following is an
> excerpt from their readme...
>
> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are installed
> with their headers and development information. If these packages came
> from the distribution's repository, they will likely need additional
> development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.
>
>
> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get will
> help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.
> On archlinux, Jos=C3=A9 has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to bu=
ild
> this.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> How do you install the plugin?
>> Secondly, how do you chat?
>> Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
>> Can you mail me off the list about the details?
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>>
>>
>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter V=C3=A1gner wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook,
>>> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are
>>> connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least
>>> I can see all my contacts online.
>>> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>> I could not compine it.
>>>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>>>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
>>>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with
>>>> the setup.
>>>> Can any one guide me?
>>>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to
>>>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>>>> happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't
>>>>> forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that
>>>>> may appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if
>>>>> you are using arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
>>>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos=C3=A9.
>>>>>
>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>> Vasquez
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and
>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me=
:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>>>> pkgname=3Dpurple-facebook
>>>>>>> pkgver=3Da34b993324e4
>>>>>>> pkgrel=3D1
>>>>>>> pkgdesc=3D"Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>>>> arch=3D("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>> url=3D"https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>> license=3D('GPL2')
>>>>>>> depends=3D('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>>>> source=3D("
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkg=
ver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>> md5sums=3D('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> build() {
>>>>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>    ./configure --prefix=3D/usr
>>>>>>>    make
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> package() {
>>>>>>>    cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>    make DESTDIR=3D"${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>>>    install -Dm644 COPYING
>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=3D2 sw=3D2 et:
>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin=
-stop-working
>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> aur(4)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.htm=
l
>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.ht=
ml
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>> The manual is
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>>>
>>
>
>
I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!  This was
the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird.
I am writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do this
because Now Thunderbird does not work at all.
Not just that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at
least speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I open.
In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an extent that
even after force quit, my machine does not come back to normalcy.
Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic ) how to remove the
facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?  I mean there is the
.thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user account).
I will remove it and try again.
But don't know which folder it is.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.
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Hello,

I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't think it 
might have something to do with facebook account.
I think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press left 
arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left arrow several 
times. Repeat this some two or three more times to make sure all the 
folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird, wait a little while and 
try to start it again.
Now you should have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue 
like normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account, 
you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook account, 
tab to the account actions button and hit delete from its popup menu.


Greetings

Peter

  On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vgner  wrote:
>> Hello,
>> There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird has
>> this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.
>> Knowing this you can just go to
>> Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open. In
>> the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit next and fill
>> in your account name and password on upcoming screens. Your facebook
>> account is not your email address nor your phone number. You can opt to
>> have one on the facebook website if you had not done this previously.
>> With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere,
>> they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I am
>> afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me like this.
>>
>> Back to facebook-purple Jos has recommended, the following is an
>> excerpt from their readme...
>>
>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are installed
>> with their headers and development information. If these packages came
>> from the distribution's repository, they will likely need additional
>> development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.
>>
>>
>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get will
>> help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.
>> On archlinux, Jos has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to build
>> this.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>> How do you install the plugin?
>>> Secondly, how do you chat?
>>> Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
>>> Can you mail me off the list about the details?
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook,
>>>> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are
>>>> connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least
>>>> I can see all my contacts online.
>>>> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>> I could not compine it.
>>>>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>>>>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
>>>>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with
>>>>> the setup.
>>>>> Can any one guide me?
>>>>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to
>>>>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>>>>> happy hacking.
>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't
>>>>>> forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that
>>>>>> may appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if
>>>>>> you are using arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles.
>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>        B.H.
>>>>>>      Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>> Vasquez
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and
>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to be
>>>>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for me:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>>>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>>>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>>>>> source=("
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> build() {
>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>     ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>>>>>     make
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> package() {
>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>     make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>>>>     install -Dm644 COPYING
>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish it
>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>> aur(4)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!  This was
> the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird.
> I am writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do this
> because Now Thunderbird does not work at all.
> Not just that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at
> least speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I open.
> In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an extent that
> even after force quit, my machine does not come back to normalcy.
> Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic ) how to remove the
> facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?  I mean there is the
> .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user account).
> I will remove it and try again.
> But don't know which folder it is.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.

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Hi Nalin, all.

On 07/11/2015 09:57 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:

> Finally I done this as guided by Joanmarie. Thansk a lot!! 

You're quite welcome. :) But I just gave it a try and it seems like you
didn't quite understand my guidance. Sorry if I was not clear. Please
allow me to try again.

1. You SHOULD have an object whose role is status bar. This is the
   horizontally-oriented container at the bottom of the xboard window.
   That bar is NOT a notification; in any other application, that bar
   would have the role of status bar. In xboard, it should also have the
   role of status bar. By the way, Orca even has a command to read an
   application's status bar (assuming the status bar is accessible and
   has the role of status bar). By changing the status bar to role
   notification you have:

   a. Broken that Orca command's functionality for your application.

   b. Set the groundwork for potential unwanted chattiness in the future
      (which I'll explain momentarily).

   c. Made it impossible for me to filter out the word "notification"
      properly, and handling status bar notifications separately from
      desktop environment pop-up notifications.

2. You should ALSO have an object whose role is notification INSIDE (as
   in packed into) the object whose role is status bar. That object
   should have the label (whose role is label) INSIDE the notification.

   Looking at that portion of the accessible tree in Accerciser should
   result in something that looks like:

   -> ROLE_STATUS_BAR
      -> ROLE_NOTIFICATION
         -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "a-2 white pawn")

   If you do that you solve all of the above problems because:

   a. The Orca command which looks for the status bar will find it
      because it has the expected role.

   b. If xboard developers later add other status bar labels which
      should NOT be spoken automatically, they can do so. In Accerciser
      it might look something like:

      -> ROLE_STATUS_BAR
         -> ROLE_NOTIFICATION
            -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "a-2 white pawn")
         -> ROLE_PANEL
            -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "opponent is thinking")
         -> ROLE_PANEL
            -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "time elapsed: 00:25:31")

      Would you want to hear the text from all three labels each time
      you moved to a different square on the board?

      Related aside: Were I you, I'd probably add a code comment
      indicating why the status bar has a child with role notification
      so that xboard developers don't do that for non-notification
      status bar labels.

   c. I've just committed a change to Orca master which should filter
      out the word "notification" properly (i.e. NOT by having users
      use the pronunciation dictionary to set the pronunciation of that
      word to nothing). BUT that change in Orca will do this only for
      status bar notifications. It works by seeing if the object with
      role notification has an ancestor with role status bar (such as
      is shown in the sample trees above).

Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!
--joanie
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ok so you mean, it is issue with Orca and Thunderbird.
Any ways should I follow your instructions with Internet on or off?
Because if Internet is on, then the password popup comes up.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On 12/07/2015, Peter V=C3=A1gner  wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't think it
> might have something to do with facebook account.
> I think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press left
> arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left arrow several
> times. Repeat this some two or three more times to make sure all the
> folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird, wait a little while and
> try to start it again.
> Now you should have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue
> like normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook account,
> tab to the account actions button and hit delete from its popup menu.
>
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>   On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>> On 12/07/2015, Peter V=C3=A1gner  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird has
>>> this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.
>>> Knowing this you can just go to
>>> Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open. In
>>> the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit next and fill
>>> in your account name and password on upcoming screens. Your facebook
>>> account is not your email address nor your phone number. You can opt to
>>> have one on the facebook website if you had not done this previously.
>>> With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere,
>>> they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I am
>>> afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me like this.
>>>
>>> Back to facebook-purple Jos=C3=A9 has recommended, the following is an
>>> excerpt from their readme...
>>>
>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are installed
>>> with their headers and development information. If these packages came
>>> from the distribution's repository, they will likely need additional
>>> development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get will
>>> help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.
>>> On archlinux, Jos=C3=A9 has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to =
build
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>> How do you install the plugin?
>>>> Secondly, how do you chat?
>>>> Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
>>>> Can you mail me off the list about the details?
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter V=C3=A1gner wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook,
>>>>> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are
>>>>> connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least
>>>>> I can see all my contacts online.
>>>>> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>> I could not compine it.
>>>>>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>>>>>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
>>>>>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with
>>>>>> the setup.
>>>>>> Can any one guide me?
>>>>>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to
>>>>>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>>>>>> happy hacking.
>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't
>>>>>>> forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that
>>>>>>> may appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if
>>>>>>> you are using arch you don't need the reminder most likely...smiles=
.
>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos=C3=A9.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        B.H.
>>>>>>>      Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>>>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>> Vasquez
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems to b=
e
>>>>>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working for
>>>>>>>>> me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>>>>>> pkgname=3Dpurple-facebook
>>>>>>>>> pkgver=3Da34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=3D1
>>>>>>>>> pkgdesc=3D"Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>>>>>> arch=3D("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>> url=3D"https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>> license=3D('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>> depends=3D('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>>>>>> source=3D("
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${p=
kgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>> md5sums=3D('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> build() {
>>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>     ./configure --prefix=3D/usr
>>>>>>>>>     make
>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> package() {
>>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>     make DESTDIR=3D"${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>>>>>     install -Dm644 COPYING
>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=3D2 sw=3D2 et:
>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidg=
in-stop-working
>>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could publish i=
t
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> aur(4)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.h=
tml
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.=
html
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.h=
tml
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.ht=
ml
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!  This was
>> the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird.
>> I am writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do this
>> because Now Thunderbird does not work at all.
>> Not just that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at
>> least speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I open.
>> In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an extent that
>> even after force quit, my machine does not come back to normalcy.
>> Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic ) how to remove the
>> facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?  I mean there is the
>> .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user account).
>> I will remove it and try again.
>> But don't know which folder it is.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>
>
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> 1. You SHOULD have an object whose role is status bar. This is the
>    horizontally-oriented container at the bottom of the xboard window.
>    That bar is NOT a notification; in any other application, that bar
>    would have the role of status bar. In xboard, it should also have the
>    role of status bar. By the way, Orca even has a command to read an
>    application's status bar (assuming the status bar is accessible and
>    has the role of status bar). By changing the status bar to role
>    notification you have:
>
>    a. Broken that Orca command's functionality for your application.
>
>    b. Set the groundwork for potential unwanted chattiness in the future
>       (which I'll explain momentarily).
>
>    c. Made it impossible for me to filter out the word "notification"
>       properly, and handling status bar notifications separately from
>       desktop environment pop-up notifications.
>


> 2. You should ALSO have an object whose role is notification INSIDE (as
>    in packed into) the object whose role is status bar. That object
>    should have the label (whose role is label) INSIDE the notification.
>
>    Looking at that portion of the accessible tree in Accerciser should
>    result in something that looks like:
>
>    -> ROLE_STATUS_BAR
>       -> ROLE_NOTIFICATION
>          -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "a-2 white pawn")
>
>    If you do that you solve all of the above problems because:
>
>    a. The Orca command which looks for the status bar will find it
>       because it has the expected role.
>
>    b. If xboard developers later add other status bar labels which
>       should NOT be spoken automatically, they can do so. In Accerciser
>       it might look something like:
>
>       -> ROLE_STATUS_BAR
>          -> ROLE_NOTIFICATION
>             -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "a-2 white pawn")
>          -> ROLE_PANEL
>             -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "opponent is thinking")
>          -> ROLE_PANEL
>             -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "time elapsed: 00:25:31")
>
>       Would you want to hear the text from all three labels each time
>       you moved to a different square on the board?
>
>       Related aside: Were I you, I'd probably add a code comment
>       indicating why the status bar has a child with role notification
>       so that xboard developers don't do that for non-notification
>       status bar labels.
>
>    c. I've just committed a change to Orca master which should filter
>       out the word "notification" properly (i.e. NOT by having users
>       use the pronunciation dictionary to set the pronunciation of that
>       word to nothing). BUT that change in Orca will do this only for
>       status bar notifications. It works by seeing if the object with
>       role notification has an ancestor with role status bar (such as
>       is shown in the sample trees above).
>
> Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!
> --joanie

Ahh first of all I agree with you. The solution i got is as follows

GtkWidget *frame_inner = gtk_frame_new(NULL);
gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(frame_inner), label);


GtkWidget *frame_outer = gtk_frame_new(NULL);
gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(frame_outer), frame_inner);

AtkObject *atk_ob1;
atk_ob1 = gtk_widget_get_accessible (GTK_WIDGET(frame_inner));
atk_object_set_role(atk_ob1,ATK_ROLE_NOTIFICATION);
AtkObject *atk_ob2;
atk_ob2 = gtk_widget_get_accessible (GTK_WIDGET(frame_outer));
atk_object_set_role(atk_ob2,ATK_ROLE_STATUSBAR);
label = frame_outer;

Pack(hbox, grid, label, left, left+r, top, 0);

Everything is working fine,  accessible tree in Accerciser now looks
as  ROLE_STATUS_BAR, ROLE_NOTIFICATION, ROLE_LABEL.  But orca is not
announcing status-bar when I press the key to say status bar. Should I
make real GtkStatusbar instead of casting the frame role to
ROLE_STATUS_BAR ?



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Hey Nalin.

On 07/12/2015 07:37 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:

> Everything is working fine,  accessible tree in Accerciser now looks
> as  ROLE_STATUS_BAR, ROLE_NOTIFICATION, ROLE_LABEL.  But orca is not
> announcing status-bar when I press the key to say status bar. Should I
> make real GtkStatusbar instead of casting the frame role to
> ROLE_STATUS_BAR ?

Got a patch (or a commit) I can try?

It could easily be an Orca issue. The route we're taking, i.e. packing a
notification in a status bar, is one I think may prove useful in other
apps besides xboard. But the idea came to me as a result of trying to
help you solve this particular problem, so we're having to find and fix
the kinks as we go. Sounds like we're getting close though. :)

--joanie
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On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 11:26 PM, Joanmarie Diggs  wrote:
> Hey Nalin.
>
> On 07/12/2015 07:37 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
>
>> Everything is working fine,  accessible tree in Accerciser now looks
>> as  ROLE_STATUS_BAR, ROLE_NOTIFICATION, ROLE_LABEL.  But orca is not
>> announcing status-bar when I press the key to say status bar. Should I
>> make real GtkStatusbar instead of casting the frame role to
>> ROLE_STATUS_BAR ?
>
> Got a patch (or a commit) I can try?

http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/xboard.git/commit/?h=gtk3&id=8fd935e27b4355f20fa31be85a9fbd0375d97338

>
> It could easily be an Orca issue. The route we're taking, i.e. packing a
> notification in a status bar, is one I think may prove useful in other
> apps besides xboard. But the idea came to me as a result of trying to
> help you solve this particular problem, so we're having to find and fix
> the kinks as we go. Sounds like we're getting close though. :)
>
> --joanie

It's ok ;)

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Hi again Nalin.

On 07/12/2015 08:07 PM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:

> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/xboard.git/commit/?h=gtk3&id=8fd935e27b4355f20fa31be85a9fbd0375d97338

Thanks! :)

Should be fixed in Orca master. Orca was assuming that each child in a
status bar had a name or displayed text (i.e. itself; not in children).
Independent of what we're trying, that assumption seems bogus. So Orca
no longer assumes that. :) Now your status bar is spoken when I ask Orca
to read the status bar, your notifications are spoken as I move on the
board, and Orca does not say "notification" for your status bar
notifications. Yay!

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On Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 12:17 AM, Joanmarie Diggs  wrote:
> Hi again Nalin.
> Thanks! :)
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> Should be fixed in Orca master. Orca was assuming that each child in a
> status bar had a name or displayed text (i.e. itself; not in children).
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I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than state 
of the market hardware with any chat accounts on thunderbird.
Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15, but I always thought 
it was         . It's not working for me now anyway, but going to check 
something just in case as I've not used TB chat in a couple of months I 
think, least not on this machine.
I think it's indeed broken like everything else though.
  Going to try a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that 
they have not changed to the new api.
I've not googled about this so if you are sure that thunderbird is 
indeed using a facebook api and not jabber then I apologize for wasting 
time reading this.


      B.H.
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On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't think 
> it might have something to do with facebook account.
> I think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press left 
> arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left arrow 
> several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to make sure 
> all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird, wait a little 
> while and try to start it again.
> Now you should have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue 
> like normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account, 
> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook account, 
> tab to the account actions button and hit delete from its popup menu.
>
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
>  On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vgner  wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird has
>>> this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.
>>> Knowing this you can just go to
>>> Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open. In
>>> the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit next and fill
>>> in your account name and password on upcoming screens. Your facebook
>>> account is not your email address nor your phone number. You can opt to
>>> have one on the facebook website if you had not done this previously.
>>> With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere,
>>> they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I am
>>> afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me like this.
>>>
>>> Back to facebook-purple Jos has recommended, the following is an
>>> excerpt from their readme...
>>>
>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are installed
>>> with their headers and development information. If these packages came
>>> from the distribution's repository, they will likely need additional
>>> development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get will
>>> help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.
>>> On archlinux, Jos has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to build
>>> this.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>> How do you install the plugin?
>>>> Secondly, how do you chat?
>>>> Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
>>>> Can you mail me off the list about the details?
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on facebook,
>>>>> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are
>>>>> connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least
>>>>> I can see all my contacts online.
>>>>> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>> I could not compine it.
>>>>>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>>>>>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
>>>>>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with
>>>>>> the setup.
>>>>>> Can any one guide me?
>>>>>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to
>>>>>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>>>>>> happy hacking.
>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't
>>>>>>> forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that
>>>>>>> may appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if
>>>>>>> you are using arch you don't need the reminder most 
>>>>>>> likely...smiles.
>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>        B.H.
>>>>>>>      Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>>>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>> Vasquez
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and
>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems 
>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working 
>>>>>>>>> for me:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>>>>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>>>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>>>>>> source=("
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> build() {
>>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>     ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>>>>>>     make
>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> package() {
>>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>     make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>>>>>     install -Dm644 COPYING
>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could 
>>>>>>>> publish it
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> aur(4)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
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>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>
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>>>
>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed! This was
>> the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird.
>> I am writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do this
>> because Now Thunderbird does not work at all.
>> Not just that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at
>> least speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I open.
>> In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an extent that
>> even after force quit, my machine does not come back to normalcy.
>> Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic ) how to remove the
>> facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?  I mean there is the
>> .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user account).
>> I will remove it and try again.
>> But don't know which folder it is.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>

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hi
I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
Thanks
Kendell clark


B.Henry wrote:
> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
> 
> 
> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
> 
> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>> Hello,
>> 
>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account, 
>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>> its popup menu.
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird. 
>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>> like this.
>>>> 
>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>> 
>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>> to build this.
>>>> 
>>>> Greetings
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking. 
>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking. 
>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most 
>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier 
>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>  
>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4 
>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64") 
>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=(" 
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
")
>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}" 
>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}" 
>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>> COPYING 
>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
}
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> [1] 
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
[2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>> this: 
>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from 
>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list 
>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is 
>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 
The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list 
>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is 
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> 
The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ 
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list 
>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is 
>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 
The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>> 
>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even 
>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>> 
> 
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>
> 
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So sorry/happy...Sorry because I posted that FB chat was not working
before I'd figured out a local/personal issue that was causing FB to not
connect with my t-bird as it always has for the last couple of years
when ever I tried it, so happy of course because t-bird chat is working
in thunderbird.lol.
BTW, for those who use bitlbee there's been a new plug-in for facebbook
for a month or more. I just installed it and it works fine. Also, for
less secure apps facebook now has app passwords available if you go to
the privacy shortcuts page, then security and go down a ways through
options. Focus may not switch when you click on the generate password
button, but it does work. Copy the string, 10 chars I think and use it
instead of your normal fb password when authing an app. You tell
facebook what the pw is for when you generate the pw. It's only good
once, so if something goes wrong when you try and sign in with your app
first time, just go back and get another one. I'd leave the FB page open
just in case untill you have successfully signed in.
I should have done this with thunderbird actually, did use it last night
with bitlbee.
So good job mozilla for being way ahead of the curve on this, or if this
just went in to a recent update for at least making the transition seamless.
    

     B.H.
   Registerd Linux User 521886

On 12/07/15 05:50 PM, B.Henry wrote:
> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on thunderbird.
> Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15, but I always
> thought it was         . It's not working for me now anyway, but going
> to check something just in case as I've not used TB chat in a couple
> of months I think, least not on this machine.
> I think it's indeed broken like everything else though.
>  Going to try a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure
> that they have not changed to the new api.
> I've not googled about this so if you are sure that thunderbird is
> indeed using a facebook api and not jabber then I apologize for
> wasting time reading this.
>
>
>      B.H.
>    Registerd Linux User 521886
>
> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't think
>> it might have something to do with facebook account.
>> I think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press left
>> arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left arrow
>> several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to make sure
>> all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird, wait a little
>> while and try to start it again.
>> Now you should have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue
>> like normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook account,
>> tab to the account actions button and hit delete from its popup menu.
>>
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
>>  On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vgner  wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>> There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess Thunderbird has
>>>> this thing built in since version 17 or something similar.
>>>> Knowing this you can just go to
>>>> Menu bar -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open. In
>>>> the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit next and
>>>> fill
>>>> in your account name and password on upcoming screens. Your facebook
>>>> account is not your email address nor your phone number. You can
>>>> opt to
>>>> have one on the facebook website if you had not done this previously.
>>>> With this being sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere,
>>>> they have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I am
>>>> afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me like this.
>>>>
>>>> Back to facebook-purple Jos has recommended, the following is an
>>>> excerpt from their readme...
>>>>
>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are installed
>>>> with their headers and development information. If these packages came
>>>> from the distribution's repository, they will likely need additional
>>>> development packages, usually suffixed with -dev.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and apt-get will
>>>> help you if you are on ubuntu and similar.
>>>> On archlinux, Jos has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use to
>>>> build
>>>> this.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>> Hi Peter,
>>>>> How do you install the plugin?
>>>>> Secondly, how do you chat?
>>>>> Is it very accessible using Thunderbird?
>>>>> Can you mail me off the list about the details?
>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>> This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for chatting on
>>>>>> facebook,
>>>>>> my girl friend is using instantbird on windows, we both are
>>>>>> connecting via xmpp to it and it appears to work even today at least
>>>>>> I can see all my contacts online.
>>>>>> Yesterday I was even chatting with one of my other friends.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>> I could not compine it.
>>>>>>> Can any one please tell me what dependencies I need>
>>>>>>> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, but still nothing
>>>>>>> works, the autoreconf install fails and I can't go any further with
>>>>>>> the setup.
>>>>>>> Can any one guide me?
>>>>>>> I guess it is a matter of one .so file which needs to be coppied to
>>>>>>> some share/purple directory or some thing.
>>>>>>> happy hacking.
>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here too. Don't
>>>>>>>> forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and any broken lines that
>>>>>>>> may appear in your email message before trying the PKGBUILD,
>>>>>>>> but if
>>>>>>>> you are using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>> likely...smiles.
>>>>>>>> Anyway, thanks for posting this promptly Jos.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>        B.H.
>>>>>>>>      Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>> On 11/07/15 08:20 AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help.
>>>>>>>>> It was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>> Vasquez
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp interface, and
>>>>>>>>>> it's
>>>>>>>>>> using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github [2].  It seems
>>>>>>>>>> to be
>>>>>>>>>> working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is also working
>>>>>>>>>> for me:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>> # Maintainer: Javier 
>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>> pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1
>>>>>>>>>> pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for libpurple"
>>>>>>>>>> arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin')
>>>>>>>>>> source=("
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> build() {
>>>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>     ./configure --prefix=/usr
>>>>>>>>>>     make
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> package() {
>>>>>>>>>>     cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>     make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
>>>>>>>>>>     install -Dm644 COPYING
>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et:
>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>>> Javier
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found this:
>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>> publish it
>>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>>> aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hello all,
>>>>>>>>>> This is bad news.
>>>>>>>>>> Pidgin and FB won't work now it seems.
>>>>>>>>>> So if I go to facebook.com will I be able to chat using Orca?
>>>>>>>>>> I never tired this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>> experienced people.
>>>>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at
>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>> -- 
>>>>>>>>> Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information on Orca.
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed! This was
>>> the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird.
>>> I am writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do this
>>> because Now Thunderbird does not work at all.
>>> Not just that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at
>>> least speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I open.
>>> In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an extent that
>>> even after force quit, my machine does not come back to normalcy.
>>> Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic ) how to remove the
>>> facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?  I mean there is the
>>> .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user account).
>>> I will remove it and try again.
>>> But don't know which folder it is.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>
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it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as messages are
in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also. 
     B.H.
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On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
> hi
> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> B.Henry wrote:
> > I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
> > state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
> > thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
> > but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
> > anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
> > TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
> > think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
> > a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
> > not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
> > are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
> > jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>
>
> > B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>
> > On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
> >> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
> >> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
> >> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
> >> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
> >> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
> >> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
> >> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
> >> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
> >> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
> >> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
> >> its popup menu.
> >>
> >>
> >> Greetings
> >>
> >> Peter
> >>
> >> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
> >>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
> >>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
> >>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
> >>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
> >>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
> >>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
> >>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
> >>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
> >>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
> >>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
> >>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
> >>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
> >>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
> >>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
> >>>> like this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
> >>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
> >>>>
> >>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
> >>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
> >>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
> >>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
> >>>> suffixed with -dev.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
> >>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
> >>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
> >>>> to build this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Greetings
> >>>>
> >>>> Peter
> >>>>
> >>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
> >>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
> >>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
> >>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
> >>>>> Krishnakant.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
> >>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
> >>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
> >>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
> >>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
> >>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
> >>>>>> of my other friends.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Greetings
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Peter
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
> >>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
> >>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
> >>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
> >>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
> >>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
> >>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
> >>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
> >>>>>>> Krishnakant.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
> >>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
> >>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
> >>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
> >>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
> >>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
> >>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
> >>>>>>>> promptly José.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
> >>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> >>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
> >>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
> >>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
> >>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
> >>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
> >>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
> >>>>>>>>>> 
> >>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
> >>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
> >>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
> >>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> license=('GPL2')
> >>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
> >>>>>>>>>>
> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> ")
> >>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
> >>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
> >>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
> >>>>>>>>>> COPYING
> >>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> }
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> [1]
> >>>>>>>>>>
> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
> >>>>>>>>> this:
> >>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
> >>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
> >>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
> >>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
> >>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
> >>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> >>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
> >>>>>>>>>>
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
> >>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
> >>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
> >>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
> >>>>>>>>>
> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
> >>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
> >>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
> >>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
> >>>>>>>>
> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
> >>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
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> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________
> >>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> >>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
> >>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
> >>>>>>>
> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
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> >>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>>
> >>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
> >>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
> >>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
> >>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
> >>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
> >>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
> >>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
> >>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
> >>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
> >>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
> >>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
> >>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
> >>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
> >>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
> >>
>
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>
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I guess I should not have updated xboard as advised as now indeed unwanted "notification" is spoken each time I move to a different position.
Foolish me did not make a back up of the previous xboard version.
I just pulled from git 10 minutes ago and recompiled xboard, so folks, if you patched your default.py file and are not hearing notification when using 
xboard maybe delay updating xboard.


 

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  Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 11:07:03PM +0530

> > 1. You SHOULD have an object whose role is status bar. This is the
> >    horizontally-oriented container at the bottom of the xboard window.
> >    That bar is NOT a notification; in any other application, that bar
> >    would have the role of status bar. In xboard, it should also have the
> >    role of status bar. By the way, Orca even has a command to read an
> >    application's status bar (assuming the status bar is accessible and
> >    has the role of status bar). By changing the status bar to role
> >    notification you have:
> >
> >    a. Broken that Orca command's functionality for your application.
> >
> >    b. Set the groundwork for potential unwanted chattiness in the future
> >       (which I'll explain momentarily).
> >
> >    c. Made it impossible for me to filter out the word "notification"
> >       properly, and handling status bar notifications separately from
> >       desktop environment pop-up notifications.
> >
> 
> 
> > 2. You should ALSO have an object whose role is notification INSIDE (as
> >    in packed into) the object whose role is status bar. That object
> >    should have the label (whose role is label) INSIDE the notification.
> >
> >    Looking at that portion of the accessible tree in Accerciser should
> >    result in something that looks like:
> >
> >    -> ROLE_STATUS_BAR
> >       -> ROLE_NOTIFICATION
> >          -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "a-2 white pawn")
> >
> >    If you do that you solve all of the above problems because:
> >
> >    a. The Orca command which looks for the status bar will find it
> >       because it has the expected role.
> >
> >    b. If xboard developers later add other status bar labels which
> >       should NOT be spoken automatically, they can do so. In Accerciser
> >       it might look something like:
> >
> >       -> ROLE_STATUS_BAR
> >          -> ROLE_NOTIFICATION
> >             -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "a-2 white pawn")
> >          -> ROLE_PANEL
> >             -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "opponent is thinking")
> >          -> ROLE_PANEL
> >             -> ROLE_LABEL (text: "time elapsed: 00:25:31")
> >
> >       Would you want to hear the text from all three labels each time
> >       you moved to a different square on the board?
> >
> >       Related aside: Were I you, I'd probably add a code comment
> >       indicating why the status bar has a child with role notification
> >       so that xboard developers don't do that for non-notification
> >       status bar labels.
> >
> >    c. I've just committed a change to Orca master which should filter
> >       out the word "notification" properly (i.e. NOT by having users
> >       use the pronunciation dictionary to set the pronunciation of that
> >       word to nothing). BUT that change in Orca will do this only for
> >       status bar notifications. It works by seeing if the object with
> >       role notification has an ancestor with role status bar (such as
> >       is shown in the sample trees above).
> >
> > Please let me know if you have any questions. Thanks!
> > --joanie
> 
> Ahh first of all I agree with you. The solution i got is as follows
> 
> GtkWidget *frame_inner = gtk_frame_new(NULL);
> gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(frame_inner), label);
> 
> 
> GtkWidget *frame_outer = gtk_frame_new(NULL);
> gtk_container_add(GTK_CONTAINER(frame_outer), frame_inner);
> 
> AtkObject *atk_ob1;
> atk_ob1 = gtk_widget_get_accessible (GTK_WIDGET(frame_inner));
> atk_object_set_role(atk_ob1,ATK_ROLE_NOTIFICATION);
> AtkObject *atk_ob2;
> atk_ob2 = gtk_widget_get_accessible (GTK_WIDGET(frame_outer));
> atk_object_set_role(atk_ob2,ATK_ROLE_STATUSBAR);
> label = frame_outer;
> 
> Pack(hbox, grid, label, left, left+r, top, 0);
> 
> Everything is working fine,  accessible tree in Accerciser now looks
> as  ROLE_STATUS_BAR, ROLE_NOTIFICATION, ROLE_LABEL.  But orca is not
> announcing status-bar when I press the key to say status bar. Should I
> make real GtkStatusbar instead of casting the frame role to
> ROLE_STATUS_BAR ?
> 
> 
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hi all
 Just an update on my progress of adding labels to unlabeled buttons
in gnome applications and control center icons. This is a ton harder
than I thought it would be. I'm kind of at a loss as to where to go
from here. First I tried adding labels to the ui files, which are xml.
The labels were something like, 

this is paraphrased, because I can't remember the exact cintax



After a ton of xml errors I finally got gnome disks, which I was
testing on, to compile. The button I was trying to label was the
unmount button. It seemed to work, but orca reported "unmount panel"
"unmount this partition" instead of "unmount push button" "unmount
this partition"
I'm stumped, and I'm not sure what to do next. Am I not supposed to
modify the xml, and instead modify the c code? If so, where in the
world do I start?

Thanks
Kendell clark
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Hi Kendell,

did you upload your current development somewhere? so i could play a littl=
e arround for try to find the problem=2E
its a good thing what you are doing here :)=2E
I realy like to help you with this work=2E=20
maybe whe should document it somewhere "best practice" for make your app f=
it for a11y=2E
to your xml problem=2E i think its easyer to modify the xml (=2Eui files) =
in glade insteed doing it "manuel"=2E Maybe you should take a look to glade=
=2E=20
I m currently at work so i can=C2=B4t check how accessible glade is=2E=20

Cheers Chrys

> Gesendet: Montag, 13=2E Juli 2015 um 03:11 Uhr
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> this is paraphrased, because I can't remember the exact cintax
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> After a ton of xml errors I finally got gnome disks, which I was
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> unmount button=2E It seemed to work, but orca reported "unmount panel"
> "unmount this partition" instead of "unmount push button" "unmount
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> Kendell clark
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hi
I haven't uploaded my work anywhere, but I can if you want. I've
looked at both glade and anjuta, and while they're accessible orca
lags quite badly when trying to use them. I think it's largely due to
the large trees. I need to play around a lot more with those two. Do
they have specific support for adding accessible labels to items or do
you need to write the xml code manually? A best practices document
would really be helpful. Once we've gotten gnome shell fixed we should
document how it was done. I'll be gone for about three hours tomorrow
but as soon as I get back I'll turn my computer on. Where should I
upload my xml files? I can attach them here, but I'd like a more
permanent place. I don't have dropbox, at least it's not installed and
I'm not sure how to use google docs.
Thanks
Kendell clark


chrys87@web.de wrote:
> Hi Kendell,
> 
> did you upload your current development somewhere? so i could play
> a little arround for try to find the problem. its a good thing what
> you are doing here :). I realy like to help you with this work. 
> maybe whe should document it somewhere "best practice" for make
> your app fit for a11y. to your xml problem. i think its easyer to
> modify the xml (.ui files) in glade insteed doing it "manuel".
> Maybe you should take a look to glade. I m currently at work so i
> can´t check how accessible glade is.
> 
> Cheers Chrys
> 
>> Gesendet: Montag, 13. Juli 2015 um 03:11 Uhr Von: "kendell clark"
>>  An: "Orca List"  
>> Betreff: [orca-list] update on adding labels to unlabeled gnome
>> buttons
>> 
> hi all Just an update on my progress of adding labels to unlabeled
> buttons in gnome applications and control center icons. This is a
> ton harder than I thought it would be. I'm kind of at a loss as to
> where to go from here. First I tried adding labels to the ui files,
> which are xml. The labels were something like,  internal-child=accessible>  
> this is paraphrased, because I can't remember the exact cintax 
>    
> After a ton of xml errors I finally got gnome disks, which I was 
> testing on, to compile. The button I was trying to label was the 
> unmount button. It seemed to work, but orca reported "unmount
> panel" "unmount this partition" instead of "unmount push button"
> "unmount this partition" I'm stumped, and I'm not sure what to do
> next. Am I not supposed to modify the xml, and instead modify the c
> code? If so, where in the world do I start?
> 
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I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
But Still not able to get it build for me.
If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB will be 
back to work again.
So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that one 
can't use it.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as messages are
> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>       B.H.
>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>
> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>> hi
>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>> Thanks
>> Kendell clark
>>
>>
>> B.Henry wrote:
>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>
>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Greetings
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>
>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
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>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>
>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
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>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
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What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
Thanks.
On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
> But Still not able to get it build for me.
> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB will 
> be back to work again.
> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that one 
> can't use it.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
>
> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as messages are
>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>       B.H.
>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>
>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>> hi
>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>> Thanks
>>> Kendell clark
>>>
>>>
>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>
>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>> is at
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>> _______________________________________________
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>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
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>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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>
> _______________________________________________
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Hi all.
When I go to 
http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First
I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following 
message:
'finished load about:blank'.
Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
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I am Using Ubuntu
Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed pidgin-dev 
and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but natural that 
autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit status 1.
this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
Happy hacking.
Krishnaknat..
  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
> Thanks.
> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB will 
>> be back to work again.
>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>> one can't use it.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>>
>>
>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as messages 
>>> are
>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>       B.H.
>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>
>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>> hi
>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>
>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>>> is at
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at 
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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hi
I've seen this on numerous other sites. It happens because the page is
constantly autorefreshing and confusing orca. There's an open bug
about it. I'm hoping joanie can fix it soon, although it's not as bad
as it used to be.
Thanks
Kendell clark


José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all. When I go to 
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-
First
>
> 
I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
> message: 'finished load about:blank'. Any ideas on how to silence
> this annoying message? Thanks.
> 
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Hi José,

I have no problems reading this page with Orca 3.16.2 and Firefox 39.0 
in Ubuntu Trusty.
Milton
Op 13-07-15 om 11:48 schreef José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
> Hi all.
> When I go to 
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First
> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the 
> following message:
> 'finished load about:blank'.
> Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
> Thanks.
>

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Hi, can you point me to this bug in orca?
Thanks.

On 07/13/2015 06:50 AM, kendell clark wrote:
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> I've seen this on numerous other sites. It happens because the page is
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> about it. I'm hoping joanie can fix it soon, although it's not as bad
> as it used to be.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi all. When I go to
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-
> First
>>
> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
>> message: 'finished load about:blank'. Any ideas on how to silence
>> this annoying message? Thanks.
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hi
Sure. Here's the link. https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=743110
Thanks
Kendell clark


José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi, can you point me to this bug in orca? Thanks.
> 
> On 07/13/2015 06:50 AM, kendell clark wrote: hi I've seen this on
> numerous other sites. It happens because the page is constantly
> autorefreshing and confusing orca. There's an open bug about it.
> I'm hoping joanie can fix it soon, although it's not as bad as it
> used to be. Thanks Kendell clark
> 
> 
> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>> Hi all. When I go to 
>>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-
>
>>>> 
First
>>>> 
> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the
> following
>>>> message: 'finished load about:blank'. Any ideas on how to
>>>> silence this annoying message? Thanks.
>>>> 
> 
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I assume this is because the page or parts of the page are constantly 
refreshing. It doesn't always work, but try hitting the escape key to 
stop the refreshing.

On 07/13/2015 04:48 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all.
> When I go to
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First
> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
> message:
> 'finished load about:blank'.
> Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
> Thanks.
>

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Hi Burt.

You should not patch your default.py. You should try Orca master (in
which I've made some changes including one that solves the unwanted
"notification".

--joanie

On 07/13/2015 02:31 AM, B. Henry wrote:
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> Foolish me did not make a back up of the previous xboard version.
> I just pulled from git 10 minutes ago and recompiled xboard, so folks, if you patched your default.py file and are not hearing notification when using 
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>  
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Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu because I use 
arch.
According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.

On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>
>
>
> I am Using Ubuntu
> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed pidgin-dev 
> and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but natural that 
> autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit status 1.
> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnaknat..
>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>> Thanks.
>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB will 
>>> be back to work again.
>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>>> one can't use it.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>> messages are
>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>       B.H.
>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>
>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>> hi
>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>
>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>>>> is at
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is at 
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
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>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at 
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>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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>>
>

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Pressing the escape key doesn't work. Orca repeats the same message 
again and again.
Thanks for the suggestion.

On 07/13/2015 08:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
> I assume this is because the page or parts of the page are constantly 
> refreshing. It doesn't always work, but try hitting the escape key to 
> stop the refreshing.
>
> On 07/13/2015 04:48 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> When I go to
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First 
>>
>> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
>> message:
>> 'finished load about:blank'.
>> Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
>> Thanks.
>>
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HI,
This is the exact error I get.
configure.ac:88: error: AC_REQUIRE(PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG): cannot be used 
outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro

I am running Ubuntu 14.04



On Monday 13 July 2015 04:58 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>
>
> Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu because I 
> use arch.
> According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
> glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.
>
> On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I am Using Ubuntu
>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>> natural that autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit 
>> status 1.
>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnaknat..
>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>>> Thanks.
>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>>>> one can't use it.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>> messages are
>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is at 
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>
>

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As an Update, I can say that the problem doesn't happen all the time.

On 07/13/2015 08:38 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Pressing the escape key doesn't work. Orca repeats the same message 
> again and again.
> Thanks for the suggestion.
>
> On 07/13/2015 08:17 AM, Christopher Chaltain wrote:
>> I assume this is because the page or parts of the page are constantly 
>> refreshing. It doesn't always work, but try hitting the escape key to 
>> stop the refreshing.
>>
>> On 07/13/2015 04:48 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> When I go to
>>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First 
>>>
>>> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
>>> message:
>>> 'finished load about:blank'.
>>> Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>
>

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Hi.
Unfortunately I have no idea why this error.
I can try to build in my arch box and send you the .so file .
Do you use a 64-bit distro?

On 07/13/2015 08:48 AM, kk wrote:
>
> HI,
> This is the exact error I get.
> configure.ac:88: error: AC_REQUIRE(PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG): cannot be 
> used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
>
> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
>
>
>
> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:58 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu because I 
>> use arch.
>> According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
>> glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.
>>
>> On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> I am Using Ubuntu
>>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>>> natural that autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit 
>>> status 1.
>>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnaknat..
>>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>>>> Thanks.
>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>>>>> one can't use it.
>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>>> messages are
>>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? 
>>>>>>> If so
>>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this 
>>>>>>>> machine. I
>>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they 
>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The 
>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find 
>>>>>>>> out
>>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Thanks,
yes I use 64 bit distro.
Where do i post the .so file?
And for other orca users this would be usefull as well.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Monday 13 July 2015 05:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> Unfortunately I have no idea why this error.
> I can try to build in my arch box and send you the .so file .
> Do you use a 64-bit distro?
>
> On 07/13/2015 08:48 AM, kk wrote:
>>
>> HI,
>> This is the exact error I get.
>> configure.ac:88: error: AC_REQUIRE(PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG): cannot be 
>> used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
>>
>> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
>>
>>
>>
>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:58 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu because I 
>>> use arch.
>>> According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
>>> glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.
>>>
>>> On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I am Using Ubuntu
>>>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>>>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>>>> natural that autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit 
>>>> status 1.
>>>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnaknat..
>>>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad 
>>>>>> that one can't use it.
>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>>>> messages are
>>>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? 
>>>>>>>> If so
>>>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less 
>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not 
>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this 
>>>>>>>>> machine. I
>>>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to 
>>>>>>>>> try
>>>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they 
>>>>>>>>> have
>>>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site. I have to do
>>>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The 
>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org 
>>>>>>>>> Find out
>>>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>
>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Ok, I am sending a link from wher you can download the file.
In my machine the file stays in the following directory:
/usr/lib/purple-2

The link:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/rt4sikv0o0r2een/libfacebook.so?dl=0

On 07/13/2015 09:04 AM, kk wrote:
>
> Thanks,
> yes I use 64 bit distro.
> Where do i post the .so file?
> And for other orca users this would be usefull as well.
> happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
> On Monday 13 July 2015 05:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi.
>> Unfortunately I have no idea why this error.
>> I can try to build in my arch box and send you the .so file .
>> Do you use a 64-bit distro?
>>
>> On 07/13/2015 08:48 AM, kk wrote:
>>>
>>> HI,
>>> This is the exact error I get.
>>> configure.ac:88: error: AC_REQUIRE(PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG): cannot be 
>>> used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
>>>
>>> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:58 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu because 
>>>> I use arch.
>>>> According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
>>>> glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.
>>>>
>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I am Using Ubuntu
>>>>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>>>>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>>>>> natural that autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with 
>>>>> exit status 1.
>>>>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>> Krishnaknat..
>>>>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad 
>>>>>>> that one can't use it.
>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>>>>> messages are
>>>>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? 
>>>>>>>>> If so
>>>>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less 
>>>>>>>>>> than
>>>>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me 
>>>>>>>>>> now
>>>>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not 
>>>>>>>>>> used
>>>>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this 
>>>>>>>>>> machine. I
>>>>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going 
>>>>>>>>>> to try
>>>>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that 
>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if 
>>>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more 
>>>>>>>>>>> times to
>>>>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook 
>>>>>>>>>>> account,
>>>>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site. I have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list 
>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The 
>>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org 
>>>>>>>>>> Find out
>>>>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

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Thanks, it was the same location on my machine as well.
So do I make some changes to my account in Pidgin?
Currently it is using xmpp for facebook, what should I use now?
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Monday 13 July 2015 05:53 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Ok, I am sending a link from wher you can download the file.
> In my machine the file stays in the following directory:
> /usr/lib/purple-2
>
> The link:
> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rt4sikv0o0r2een/libfacebook.so?dl=0
>
> On 07/13/2015 09:04 AM, kk wrote:
>>
>> Thanks,
>> yes I use 64 bit distro.
>> Where do i post the .so file?
>> And for other orca users this would be usefull as well.
>> happy hacking.
>> Krishnakant.
>>
>> On Monday 13 July 2015 05:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>> Hi.
>>> Unfortunately I have no idea why this error.
>>> I can try to build in my arch box and send you the .so file .
>>> Do you use a 64-bit distro?
>>>
>>> On 07/13/2015 08:48 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>
>>>> HI,
>>>> This is the exact error I get.
>>>> configure.ac:88: error: AC_REQUIRE(PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG): cannot be 
>>>> used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
>>>>
>>>> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:58 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu because 
>>>>> I use arch.
>>>>> According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
>>>>> glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am Using Ubuntu
>>>>>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>>>>>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>>>>>> natural that autoreconf gives error I get aclocal failed with 
>>>>>> exit status 1.
>>>>>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>> Krishnaknat..
>>>>>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you 
>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>>>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>>>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>>>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>>>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad 
>>>>>>>> that one can't use it.
>>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>>>>>> messages are
>>>>>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with 
>>>>>>>>>> pidgin? If so
>>>>>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my 
>>>>>>>>>>> less than
>>>>>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was 
>>>>>>>>>>> TB15,
>>>>>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for 
>>>>>>>>>>> me now
>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've 
>>>>>>>>>>> not used
>>>>>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this 
>>>>>>>>>>> machine. I
>>>>>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going 
>>>>>>>>>>> to try
>>>>>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that 
>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so 
>>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and 
>>>>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I 
>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more 
>>>>>>>>>>>> times to
>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit 
>>>>>>>>>>>> thunderbird,
>>>>>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook 
>>>>>>>>>>>> account,
>>>>>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at 
>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site. I have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder?
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list 
>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The 
>>>>>>>>>>> manual
>>>>>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at 
>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org 
>>>>>>>>>>> Find out
>>>>>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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Basically you need to change the protocol from 'facebook xmpp' to facebook.
Do not forget to restart pidgin after copy the .so file to the correct 
directory.

You canread more at https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook


On 07/13/2015 09:50 AM, kk wrote:
>
> Thanks, it was the same location on my machine as well.
> So do I make some changes to my account in Pidgin?
> Currently it is using xmpp for facebook, what should I use now?
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.
>
>
> On Monday 13 July 2015 05:53 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Ok, I am sending a link from wher you can download the file.
>> In my machine the file stays in the following directory:
>> /usr/lib/purple-2
>>
>> The link:
>> https://www.dropbox.com/s/rt4sikv0o0r2een/libfacebook.so?dl=0
>>
>> On 07/13/2015 09:04 AM, kk wrote:
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> yes I use 64 bit distro.
>>> Where do i post the .so file?
>>> And for other orca users this would be usefull as well.
>>> happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 05:30 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>> Hi.
>>>> Unfortunately I have no idea why this error.
>>>> I can try to build in my arch box and send you the .so file .
>>>> Do you use a 64-bit distro?
>>>>
>>>> On 07/13/2015 08:48 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> HI,
>>>>> This is the exact error I get.
>>>>> configure.ac:88: error: AC_REQUIRE(PKG_PROG_PKG_CONFIG): cannot be 
>>>>> used outside of an AC_DEFUN'd macro
>>>>>
>>>>> I am running Ubuntu 14.04
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:58 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi. I am not sure exactly that packages are need on ubuntu 
>>>>>> because I use arch.
>>>>>> According to the documentation, you'll need the following:
>>>>>> glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:49 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I am Using Ubuntu
>>>>>>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>>>>>>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>>>>>>> natural that autoreconf gives error I get aclocal failed with 
>>>>>>> exit status 1.
>>>>>>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>> Krishnaknat..
>>>>>>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you 
>>>>>>>> using
>>>>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great 
>>>>>>>>> alternative.
>>>>>>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>>>>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and 
>>>>>>>>> FB will be back to work again.
>>>>>>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad 
>>>>>>>>> that one can't use it.
>>>>>>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>>>>>>> messages are
>>>>>>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>>>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are 
>>>>>>>>>> read
>>>>>>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>>>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>>>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> hi
>>>>>>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with 
>>>>>>>>>>> pidgin? If so
>>>>>>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my 
>>>>>>>>>>>> less than
>>>>>>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was 
>>>>>>>>>>>> TB15,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for 
>>>>>>>>>>>> me now
>>>>>>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've 
>>>>>>>>>>>> not used
>>>>>>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this 
>>>>>>>>>>>> machine. I
>>>>>>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going 
>>>>>>>>>>>> to try
>>>>>>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that 
>>>>>>>>>>>> they have
>>>>>>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so 
>>>>>>>>>>>> if you
>>>>>>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api 
>>>>>>>>>>>> and not
>>>>>>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> don't
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> left
>>>>>>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> times to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> thunderbird,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account,
>>>>>>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete 
>>>>>>>>>>>>> from
>>>>>>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nor
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> being
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> for me
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information. If
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/ 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is 
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is 
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is 
>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site. I have to do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> least
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> even
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> such an
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> topic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list 
>>>>>>>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. 
>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual
>>>>>>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at 
>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Find out
>>>>>>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at 
>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>

-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

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Hi Kendell,

yea glade is realy overloaded with everything you need=2E maybe you can di=
sable some docks you doesnt need via the menu "view"=2E i dont know but may=
be this lead to a more small accessibility tree=2E
glade offers the a11y stuff by its own you doesnt have to write xml stuff=
=2E=20
you just can set the correct values via the "property" window=2E there is =
a own tab for a11y in the propertys=2E
maybe you can send me just the changed files as attachment (to chrys87@web=
=2Ede) =2E i will patch it against the current master by my own=2E just for=
 playing around this should be enought=2E

cheers chrys

> Gesendet: Montag, 13=2E Juli 2015 um 11:00 Uhr
> Von: "kendell clark" 
> An: chrys87@web=2Ede
> Cc: "Orca List" 
> Betreff: Re: Aw: [orca-list] update on adding labels to unlabeled gnome =
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>=20
> hi
> I haven't uploaded my work anywhere, but I can if you want=2E I've
> looked at both glade and anjuta, and while they're accessible orca
> lags quite badly when trying to use them=2E I think it's largely due to
> the large trees=2E I need to play around a lot more with those two=2E Do
> they have specific support for adding accessible labels to items or do
> you need to write the xml code manually? A best practices document
> would really be helpful=2E Once we've gotten gnome shell fixed we should
> document how it was done=2E I'll be gone for about three hours tomorrow
> but as soon as I get back I'll turn my computer on=2E Where should I
> upload my xml files? I can attach them here, but I'd like a more
> permanent place=2E I don't have dropbox, at least it's not installed and
> I'm not sure how to use google docs=2E
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>=20
>=20
> chrys87@web=2Ede wrote:
> > Hi Kendell,
> >=20
> > did you upload your current development somewhere? so i could play
> > a little arround for try to find the problem=2E its a good thing what
> > you are doing here :)=2E I realy like to help you with this work=2E=20
> > maybe whe should document it somewhere "best practice" for make
> > your app fit for a11y=2E to your xml problem=2E i think its easyer to
> > modify the xml (=2Eui files) in glade insteed doing it "manuel"=2E
> > Maybe you should take a look to glade=2E I m currently at work so i
> > can=C2=B4t check how accessible glade is=2E
> >=20
> > Cheers Chrys
> >=20
> >> Gesendet: Montag, 13=2E Juli 2015 um 03:11 Uhr Von: "kendell clark"
> >>  An: "Orca List" =20
> >> Betreff: [orca-list] update on adding labels to unlabeled gnome
> >> buttons
> >>=20
> > hi all Just an update on my progress of adding labels to unlabeled
> > buttons in gnome applications and control center icons=2E This is a
> > ton harder than I thought it would be=2E I'm kind of at a loss as to
> > where to go from here=2E First I tried adding labels to the ui files,
> > which are xml=2E The labels were something like,  > internal-child=3Daccessible> =
=20
> > this is paraphrased, because I can't remember the exact cintax=20
> >   =
=20
> > After a ton of xml errors I finally got gnome disks, which I was=20
> > testing on, to compile=2E The button I was trying to label was the=20
> > unmount button=2E It seemed to work, but orca reported "unmount
> > panel" "unmount this partition" instead of "unmount push button"
> > "unmount this partition" I'm stumped, and I'm not sure what to do
> > next=2E Am I not supposed to modify the xml, and instead modify the c
> > code? If so, where in the world do I start?
> >=20
> > Thanks Kendell clark
> >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
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> >> https://mail=2Egnome=2Eorg/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >> http://live=2Egnome=2Eorg/Orca for more information on Orca=2E The
> >> manual is at
> >> http://library=2Egnome=2Eorg/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2=
=2Ehtml
> >>
> >>=20
> The FAQ is at http://live=2Egnome=2Eorg/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Hey all.

As I think most of you know, even though Orca X.y is only supported in
GNOME X.y, I try to not depend on the very latest GNOME components so
that you can use Orca master in earlier versions of your distro. But
there are a number of roles which were introduced back during GNOME 3.12
that Orca should start looking for and supporting better. I'll do that
in the weeks to come. In the meantime, it turns out that I'd already
started using one such role which was causing a traceback on a system
which had accessibility libraries from GNOME 3.10. As a result, I've
bumped the minimum required versions of AT-SPI2 and ATK from 2.10 to
2.12. I've also started using the proper math role from 2.12 which
should be more performant than the object-attribute check which was in
place.

--joanie
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Actually I did thatr right away right after emailing about the issue.
rather than mess with anything else. and now no annooying "notification" is 
spoken....lol.
Thanks for the reply.


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  Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
Mon, Jul 13, 2015 at 09:44:20AM +0530

> Sorry for the mistake.
> The actual commit is
> https://github.com/GNOME/orca/commit/60febcfa499e80bb09baa0b6104346c2bb75eed4
> 
> If it's not possible, simply open orca preferences for xboard, go to
> pronunciation page and add a new entry with text "notification" and
> space as replacement string.
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So will these changes get into official upstream version of xboard soon?
This is such nice work indeed.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Tuesday 14 July 2015 12:40 AM, B. Henry wrote:
> Actually I did thatr right away right after emailing about the issue.
> rather than mess with anything else. and now no annooying "notification" is
> spoken....lol.
> Thanks for the reply.
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Hi,

i did a look at glade for this.
i was not able to edit a file (cause of missing keynav and a11y labe in 
the property window) ... but maybe someone find a way.
it seems the best settings (so far) is the following:
you can undock most of the elements. so the "docks" became a own window. 
so its switchable with  +  and  + <^> (in german keyboard 
leayout the letter left sided to the 1) fo just switching the window for 
the current application.
this seems to be make the app more responsive and controllable to 
keyboard and orca.
you can do this in the main "view" menue of the application.

uncheck the 3 settings "dock propertys, dock inspector and dock whatever 
the thirt one is translated into english *smile* sorry just a german setup.

in the inspector window you can select a controll you wanna change the 
propertys (expand the tree of controlls with shift + right arrow)

now you can navigate to the propertys.
i hope the shortcuts in english are the same as in german.
press  + S (now you are on the signal tab. press  + picture 
down (to go to the next tab) sadly the accessibility tab is the most 
unaccessible one ... sadly no shortcut for this (its also not realy 
spoken if you go to this tab, this is caused by there is not lable, just 
an icon... stupid..)

here should *should* set the accessiblity propertys (like labeld by and 
the correct ATK_Role)
Sadly the property dialog cant be more worse as it is... i was not able 
to navigate in the propertys with keyboard nor are the lables here are 
spoken.. (maybe this should fixed first ^^)

i could use it a little with help of the klick function of ocrdesktop 
:/. but its many "blind" work...

so maybe the best alternative is to edit the xml files by its own. i 
could send a view examples how glade would store it (because i can see a 
little) and you cut put it where it should be kendell... i does not see 
a better solution for know :/.

cheers chrys


Am 13.07.2015 um 11:00 schrieb kendell clark:
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> hi
> I haven't uploaded my work anywhere, but I can if you want. I've
> looked at both glade and anjuta, and while they're accessible orca
> lags quite badly when trying to use them. I think it's largely due to
> the large trees. I need to play around a lot more with those two. Do
> they have specific support for adding accessible labels to items or do
> you need to write the xml code manually? A best practices document
> would really be helpful. Once we've gotten gnome shell fixed we should
> document how it was done. I'll be gone for about three hours tomorrow
> but as soon as I get back I'll turn my computer on. Where should I
> upload my xml files? I can attach them here, but I'd like a more
> permanent place. I don't have dropbox, at least it's not installed and
> I'm not sure how to use google docs.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> chrys87@web.de wrote:
>> Hi Kendell,
>>
>> did you upload your current development somewhere? so i could play
>> a little arround for try to find the problem. its a good thing what
>> you are doing here :). I realy like to help you with this work.
>> maybe whe should document it somewhere "best practice" for make
>> your app fit for a11y. to your xml problem. i think its easyer to
>> modify the xml (.ui files) in glade insteed doing it "manuel".
>> Maybe you should take a look to glade. I m currently at work so i
>> can´t check how accessible glade is.
>>
>> Cheers Chrys
>>
>>> Gesendet: Montag, 13. Juli 2015 um 03:11 Uhr Von: "kendell clark"
>>>  An: "Orca List" 
>>> Betreff: [orca-list] update on adding labels to unlabeled gnome
>>> buttons
>>>
>> hi all Just an update on my progress of adding labels to unlabeled
>> buttons in gnome applications and control center icons. This is a
>> ton harder than I thought it would be. I'm kind of at a loss as to
>> where to go from here. First I tried adding labels to the ui files,
>> which are xml. The labels were something like, > internal-child=accessible> 
>> this is paraphrased, because I can't remember the exact cintax
>>   
>> After a ton of xml errors I finally got gnome disks, which I was
>> testing on, to compile. The button I was trying to label was the
>> unmount button. It seemed to work, but orca reported "unmount
>> panel" "unmount this partition" instead of "unmount push button"
>> "unmount this partition" I'm stumped, and I'm not sure what to do
>> next. Am I not supposed to modify the xml, and instead modify the c
>> code? If so, where in the world do I start?
>>
>> Thanks Kendell clark
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Dear friends,
the popular games tuxtype and tuxmaths are accessible now and we can 
enjoy it well. These programs are also valuable for their significance 
in educational process. one can install these games from there git 
repository.

https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxtype.git

https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxmath.git


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    Dear friends,

    the popular games tuxtype and tuxmaths are accessible now and we can
    enjoy it well. These programs are also valuable for their
    significance in educational process. one can install these games
    from there git repository.  

    

    
    https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxtype.git

    

    
    https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxmath.git

    

    

    For more details about playing visit following blog

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On Tue, Jul 14, 2015 at 2:36 AM, kk  wrote:
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> So will these changes get into official upstream version of xboard soon?
> This is such nice work indeed.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnakant.

After some code cleanup and code validation this will be pushed to
upstream. By the way I just pushed a commit which make piece deletion
possible on Edit Position mode(KP_Delete). The edit position mode can
be used to arrange the pieces in the board and continue from there
with the machine. This can be used for improving chess skills. Please
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On 10/07/15 09:48, kendell clark wrote:
> hi all
> I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps and control
> panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set them in the code
> and send in patches to the bug reports I have open so they can be
> fixed. Can anyone on here give me some generic c code to set an
> accessible widget label and a tooltip? I don't need anything fancy to
> write callbacks since that's already been implemented in the ui code
> I just need a label and a tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the
> buttons. I'm assuming they go inside the button definition? I'm
> completely new at all of this so bear with me. This should
> dramatically improve the accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is
> fixed I can tackle mate.

Note that most of the UI code of gnome-shell is written in javascript.
For the specific of label, here a commit example:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=df305314c10ac18c77c6707a4f5e50bd41d4adcd

It is true that there are some C code, but it is mostly to give the
support needed to be able to set labels, roles and others on the
javascript code and the keyboard navigation support. For example:
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-shell/commit/?id=bd28d5c48af87e34c99cf20cc18c409cca1a1080

And (almost) for sure, gnome-shell doesn't have any line written in c++.

BR

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On 10/07/15 13:51, chrys87@web.de wrote:
> Hi Kendell, 
>
> I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how this does
work:
>
> Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by glade)
>
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=c72062ba65f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5
>
https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=7afbac0a64f1734842ed64e333c9147de1cdbcd9
> the same as c++ code
>
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=2a76776e8d6247aef5ac8970f25f7ec41c274440
>
> assign a lable in xml
> 
>   
> 
> like here (line 154)
>
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/printers/printers.ui?id=38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154
>
> here is also some useful information:
> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Accessibility
>
> cheers chrys

Note that in the original email he mentioned that was interested
specifically on gnome-shell. gnome-shell doesn't use glade.

>
>> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2015 um 09:48 Uhr
>> Von: "kendell clark" 
>> An: "Orca List" 
>> Betreff: [orca-list] in need of c++ code to add accessible labels
>>
> hi all
> I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps and control
> panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set them in the code
> and send in patches to the bug reports I have open so they can be
> fixed. Can anyone on here give me some generic c code to set an
> accessible widget label and a tooltip? I don't need anything fancy to
> write callbacks since that's already been implemented in the ui code.
> I just need a label and a tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the
> buttons. I'm assuming they go inside the button definition? I'm
> completely new at all of this so bear with me. This should
> dramatically improve the accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is
> fixed I can tackle mate.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
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    On 10/07/15 13:51, chrys87@web.de wrote:

    > Hi Kendell, 

      >

      > I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how
      this does work:

      >

      > Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by
      glade)

      >
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=c72062ba65f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5

      >
https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=7afbac0a64f1734842ed64e333c9147de1cdbcd9

      > the same as c++ code

      >
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=2a76776e8d6247aef5ac8970f25f7ec41c274440

      >

      > assign a lable in xml

      > <accessibility>

      > <relation type="labelled-by" target="label10"/>

      > </accessibility>

      > like here (line 154)

      >
https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/printers/printers.ui?id=38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154

      >

      > here is also some useful information:

      > https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Accessibility

      >

      > cheers chrys

    

    Note that in the original email he mentioned that was interested
    specifically on gnome-shell. gnome-shell doesn't use glade.

    

    >

      >> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2015 um 09:48 Uhr

      >> Von: "kendell clark" <coffeekingms@gmail.com>

      >> An: "Orca List" <orca-list@gnome.org>

      >> Betreff: [orca-list] in need of c++ code to add
      accessible labels

      >>

    
hi all

      I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps and
      control

      panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set them in the
      code

      and send in patches to the bug reports I have open so they can be

      fixed. Can anyone on here give me some generic c code to set an

      accessible widget label and a tooltip? I don't need anything fancy
      to

      write callbacks since that's already been implemented in the ui
      code.

      I just need a label and a tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the

      buttons. I'm assuming they go inside the button definition? I'm

      completely new at all of this so bear with me. This should

      dramatically improve the accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is

      fixed I can tackle mate.

      Thanks

      Kendell clark

    

    >>
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      >> The FAQ is at
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      >> Log bugs and feature requests at
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      >> Find out how to help at
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hi
This is disappointing. I know enough about c++ or c to at least
attempt this, but I know nothing about java script. Someone else is
going to attack this or I'm going to have to resort to filing bugs
with good comments saying what the label should be, rather than being
able to do this myself. I wish I was more of a programmer, but I'm
not, at least not yet.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Alejandro Piñeiro wrote:
> 
> 
> On 10/07/15 13:51, chrys87@web.de wrote:
>> Hi Kendell,
>> 
>> I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how this
>> does
> work:
>> 
>> Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by
>> glade)
>> 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=c72062ba6
5f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5
>>
>
> 
https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=7afbac0a64f1734842ed64e
333c9147de1cdbcd9
>> the same as c++ code
>> 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=2a76776e8d6247aef5
ac8970f25f7ec41c274440
>>
>>
> 
assign a lable in xml
>>   
>>  like here (line 154)
>> 
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/printers
/printers.ui?id=38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154
>>
>>
> 
here is also some useful information:
>> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=Accessibility
>> 
>> cheers chrys
> 
> Note that in the original email he mentioned that was interested 
> specifically on gnome-shell. gnome-shell doesn't use glade.
> 
>> 
>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2015 um 09:48 Uhr Von: "kendell
>>> clark"  An: "Orca List"
>>>  Betreff: [orca-list] in need of c++ code
>>> to add accessible labels
>>> 
>> hi all I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps
>> and control panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set
>> them in the code and send in patches to the bug reports I have
>> open so they can be fixed. Can anyone on here give me some
>> generic c code to set an accessible widget label and a tooltip? I
>> don't need anything fancy to write callbacks since that's already
>> been implemented in the ui code. I just need a label and a
>> tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the buttons. I'm assuming
>> they go inside the button definition? I'm completely new at all
>> of this so bear with me. This should dramatically improve the
>> accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is fixed I can tackle
>> mate. Thanks Kendell clark
>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
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>>>
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kendell clark  wrote:
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> This is disappointing. I know enough about c++ or c to at least
> attempt this, but I know nothing about java script. 

If you already know C and C++, the syntax of JavaScript should be somewhat
familiar. Also, if you subscribe to Bookshare, there are very good references
available about JavaScript.

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Don't be discouraged. The fact that you already know a smattering ofC/C++ Wi=
ll give you a clue to how JavaScript is put together since it uses exactly t=
he same syntax. It should be reasonably possible for you to try and find som=
e of those classes. And some of the places in the classes were the label goe=
s. You may find that you are able to get on more than you think. I had to br=
owse through some JavaScript code when I was designing some training courses=
 because of an API that a lot of e-learning use is calledScorm and it was pr=
etty neat how, though I could not write this kind of code myself, I can fair=
ly easily make out what they were going for just because of the fact that I h=
ad studied C and C++ A little bit Wayback win.

BR'
Alex

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 14, 2015, at 5:34 AM, kendell clark  wrote:=

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> hi
> This is disappointing. I know enough about c++ or c to at least
> attempt this, but I know nothing about java script. Someone else is
> going to attack this or I'm going to have to resort to filing bugs
> with good comments saying what the label should be, rather than being
> able to do this myself. I wish I was more of a programmer, but I'm
> not, at least not yet.
> Thanks
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> Alejandro Pi=C3=B1eiro wrote:
>>=20
>>=20
>>> On 10/07/15 13:51, chrys87@web.de wrote:
>>> Hi Kendell,
>>>=20
>>> I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how this
>>> does
>> work:
>>>=20
>>> Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by
>>> glade)
>> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=3Dc72062ba6
> 5f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=3D7afbac0a64f1734842ed64e=

> 333c9147de1cdbcd9
>>> the same as c++ code
>> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=3D2a76776e8d6247aef5
> ac8970f25f7ec41c274440
> assign a lable in xml
>>>  =20
>>>  like here (line 154)
>> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/printers
> /printers.ui?id=3D38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154
> here is also some useful information:
>>> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DAccessibility
>>>=20
>>> cheers chrys
>>=20
>> Note that in the original email he mentioned that was interested=20
>> specifically on gnome-shell. gnome-shell doesn't use glade.
>>=20
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>>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2015 um 09:48 Uhr Von: "kendell
>>>> clark"  An: "Orca List"
>>>>  Betreff: [orca-list] in need of c++ code
>>>> to add accessible labels
>>> hi all I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps
>>> and control panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set
>>> them in the code and send in patches to the bug reports I have
>>> open so they can be fixed. Can anyone on here give me some
>>> generic c code to set an accessible widget label and a tooltip? I
>>> don't need anything fancy to write callbacks since that's already
>>> been implemented in the ui code. I just need a label and a
>>> tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the buttons. I'm assuming
>>> they go inside the button definition? I'm completely new at all
>>> of this so bear with me. This should dramatically improve the
>>> accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is fixed I can tackle
>>> mate. Thanks Kendell clark
>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
>>>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org=20
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>>> manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>> list orca-list@gnome.org=20
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>>> manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Hi Kendal,

This is disappointing. I know enough about c++ or c to at least
> attempt this, but I know nothing about java script. Someone else is
> going to attack this or I'm going to have to resort to filing bugs
> with good comments saying what the label should be, rather than being
> able to do this myself. I wish I was more of a programmer, but I'm
> not, at least not yet.
>

No need to put yourself down! Nobody is born with skills and we all have to
start somewhere. The javascript in Alejandro's examples repository might
help you get started on javascript:
https://github.com/infapi00/at-spi2-examples/tree/master/javascript

Honestly, snce you already know a bit of C and C++ I bet you'll find
javascript easier to work with once you get over the initial learning curve
of a new language. Keep at it :D

Also check out GNOME Shell's Looking Glass feature for testing javascript
codes out.

Magdalen


>
> Alejandro Pi=C3=B1eiro wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 10/07/15 13:51, chrys87@web.de wrote:
> >> Hi Kendell,
> >>
> >> I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how this
> >> does
> > work:
> >>
> >> Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by
> >> glade)
> >>
> > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=3Dc72062ba=
6
> 5f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5
> >>
> >
> >
> https://git.gnome.org/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=3D7afbac0a64f1734842ed64=
e
> 333c9147de1cdbcd9
> >> the same as c++ code
> >>
> > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=3D2a76776e8d6247aef=
5
> ac8970f25f7ec41c274440
> >>
> >>
> >
> assign a lable in xml
> >>  
> >>  like here (line 154)
> >>
> > https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/tree/panels/printers
> /printers.ui?id=3D38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154
> >>
> >>
> >
> here is also some useful information:
> >> https://gramps-project.org/wiki/index.php?title=3DAccessibility
> >>
> >> cheers chrys
> >
> > Note that in the original email he mentioned that was interested
> > specifically on gnome-shell. gnome-shell doesn't use glade.
> >
> >>
> >>> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2015 um 09:48 Uhr Von: "kendell
> >>> clark"  An: "Orca List"
> >>>  Betreff: [orca-list] in need of c++ code
> >>> to add accessible labels
> >>>
> >> hi all I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps
> >> and control panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set
> >> them in the code and send in patches to the bug reports I have
> >> open so they can be fixed. Can anyone on here give me some
> >> generic c code to set an accessible widget label and a tooltip? I
> >> don't need anything fancy to write callbacks since that's already
> >> been implemented in the ui code. I just need a label and a
> >> tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the buttons. I'm assuming
> >> they go inside the button definition? I'm completely new at all
> >> of this so bear with me. This should dramatically improve the
> >> accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is fixed I can tackle
> >> mate. Thanks Kendell clark
> >>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
> >>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> >>> manual is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>
> >
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Hi Kendal,

This is disappointing. I know enough abou=
t c++ or c to at least

attempt this, but I know nothing about java script. Someone else is

going to attack this or I'm going to have to resort to filing bugs

with good comments saying what the label should be, rather than being

able to do this myself. I wish I was more of a programmer, but I'm

not, at least not yet.

No need to put y=
ourself down! Nobody is born with skills and we all have to start somewhere=
. The javascript in Alejandro's examples repository might help you get =
started on javascript:

Honestly, snce =
you already know a bit of C and C++ I bet you'll find javascript easier=
 to work with once you get over the initial learning curve of a new languag=
e. Keep at it :D

Also check out GNOME Shell's =
Looking Glass feature for testing javascript codes out.

<=
/div>
Magdalen







Alejandro Pi=C3=B1eiro wrote:

>

>

> On 10/07/15 13:51, chrys87@web.de wrote:

>> Hi Kendell,

>>

>> I dont know if that helps you but here are some examples how this<=
br>
>> does

> work:

>>

>> Set an accessible name in xml structure (i think created by

>> glade)

>>

> https=
://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-center/commit/?id=3Dc72062ba6

5f9a4f587485852287881f8e4275dd5

>>

>

>

https://git.gnome.o=
rg/browse/nautilus/commit/?id=3D7afbac0a64f1734842ed64e

333c9147de1cdbcd9

>> the same as c++ code

>>

> https://git.gn=
ome.org/browse/gnome-boxes/commit/?id=3D2a76776e8d6247aef5

ac8970f25f7ec41c274440

>>

>>

>

assign a lable in xml

>> <accessibility> <relation type=3D"labelled-by" =
target=3D"label10"/>

>> </accessibility> like here (line 154)

>>

> https://git.gnome.org/browse/gnome-control-cente=
r/tree/panels/printers

/printers.ui?id=3D38958903eea61d3216ae3e0d702b27bcc0b7996b#n154

>>

>>

>

here is also some useful information:

>> https://gramps-project.org/w=
iki/index.php?title=3DAccessibility

>>

>> cheers chrys

>

> Note that in the original email he mentioned that was interested

> specifically on gnome-shell. gnome-shell doesn't use glade.

>

>>

>>> Gesendet: Freitag, 10. Juli 2015 um 09:48 Uhr Von: "kende=
ll

>>> clark" <coff=
eekingms@gmail.com> An: "Orca List"

>>> <orca-list@gnome.org=
> Betreff: [orca-list] in need of c++ code

>>> to add accessible labels

>>>

>> hi all I was planning to go through all of the gnome shell apps
>> and control panel items this weekend that are lacking labels, set<=
br>
>> them in the code and send in patches to the bug reports I have

>> open so they can be fixed. Can anyone on here give me some

>> generic c code to set an accessible widget label and a tooltip? I<=
br>
>> don't need anything fancy to write callbacks since that's =
already

>> been implemented in the ui code. I just need a label and a

>> tooltip. Then I can hook those up to the buttons. I'm assuming=


>> they go inside the button definition? I'm completely new at al=
l

>> of this so bear with me. This should dramatically improve the

>> accessibility of gnome shell. Once ths is fixed I can tackle

>> mate. Thanks Kendell clark

>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list

>>> mailing list orca-list@=
gnome.org

>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinf=
o/orca-list Visit

>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. =
The

>>> manual is at

> http://library.gnome.org/us=
ers/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>>>

>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions

>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org=
 Find

>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/How=
CanIHelp

>>>

>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing<=
br>
>> list orca-list@gnome.org

>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/o=
rca-list Visit

>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. Th=
e

>> manual is at

> http://library.gnome.org/us=
ers/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>>

>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions

>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Fin=
d

>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanI=
Help

>>

>

>

>

> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing

> list orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l=
ist Visit

> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manu=
al

> is at

> http://library.gnome.org/us=
ers/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>

>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
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> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find ou=
t

> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

>


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Don Raikes  wrote:
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> Today I installed gnome 3.16 on it including orca.
> Even though I installed gnome-shell, when I start orca, I cannot interact with the menus or seemingly anything within gnome.
> 
>  
> 
> Is there some trick to this, or another package I need to install?

So far as I remember, no. Once GNOME and Orca are installed, all should be
working. Perhaps have a look at your ~/.xsession-errors file. Also check that
Gnome-Shell is running and that you aren't invoking another graphical
environment somehow by mistake.

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I think the main problem is the fact that GNOME 3.x is very different
from GNOME 2.x. For example, alt+f1 puts you in an overview window,
where you can search for applications, files, settings controls, etc.
If you are new to the GNOME 3.x experience, then you may find it a bit
daunting. For an experience that is much more like the older but more
familiar GNOME 2.x, try installing MATE.

sudo pacman -S mate mate-extra

should get you going at this point. Once that's installed, just choose
MATE from GDM's session menu, since you already have GDM from when you
installed GNOME. Then just hit the Orca shortcut key, alt+super+s,
which should get you up and talking. Hope this helps.
Sent from Shoeless Joe Jackson's lost shoes
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Hi Joanie,

I see an interesting issue with math simbols.py related, but I unable to 
reproduce this issue when I trying creating a debug.out file.
Following code line some time Orca saying the < and > characters with 
math simbol context:
#include 
Some situations I hear following text when I navigating up or down arrow 
this similar style line:
#include less thanstdio.hgreater than
The interesting thing is following:
the src/orca/chnames.py file I think defined the < and > characters with 
less and greater texts.
When I trying creating the debug file and navigating the proper code 
line with up or down arrow keys I right hearing the < and > characters 
with less and greater shorter texts.
Testcase:
1. Open Gedit.
2. Paste following text and press ENTER key:
#include 
3. Press up arrow key.
Expected result:
I think this situation need Orca saying the shorter less and greater 
translatable text with defined the src/orca/chnames.py file the proper 
text parts.
Actual result:
Orca some time using the src/orca/mathsimbols.py defined texts, some 
time saying the src/orca/chnames.py file added texts (for example when 
Orca running with --debug-file=debug.out commandline).
What possible doing this situation?
Better shorting the proper math simbols text with less and greater text 
(simple cut the than text), or do a possibility to possible turn off 
temporary or entire this feature with GUI preferences if this is need?

Attila
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Hey Attila.

Thanks for the report. I'll fix it later today.

--joanie

On 07/16/2015 05:11 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:
> Hi Joanie,
> 
> I see an interesting issue with math simbols.py related, but I unable to
> reproduce this issue when I trying creating a debug.out file.
> Following code line some time Orca saying the < and > characters with
> math simbol context:
> #include 
> Some situations I hear following text when I navigating up or down arrow
> this similar style line:
> #include less thanstdio.hgreater than
> The interesting thing is following:
> the src/orca/chnames.py file I think defined the < and > characters with
> less and greater texts.
> When I trying creating the debug file and navigating the proper code
> line with up or down arrow keys I right hearing the < and > characters
> with less and greater shorter texts.
> Testcase:
> 1. Open Gedit.
> 2. Paste following text and press ENTER key:
> #include 
> 3. Press up arrow key.
> Expected result:
> I think this situation need Orca saying the shorter less and greater
> translatable text with defined the src/orca/chnames.py file the proper
> text parts.
> Actual result:
> Orca some time using the src/orca/mathsimbols.py defined texts, some
> time saying the src/orca/chnames.py file added texts (for example when
> Orca running with --debug-file=debug.out commandline).
> What possible doing this situation?
> Better shorting the proper math simbols text with less and greater text
> (simple cut the than text), or do a possibility to possible turn off
> temporary or entire this feature with GUI preferences if this is need?
> 
> Attila
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hey Attila.

Please pull master and see if your problem is solved. Thanks!

--joanie

On 07/16/2015 08:00 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Attila.
> 
> Thanks for the report. I'll fix it later today.
> 
> --joanie
> 
> On 07/16/2015 05:11 AM, Hammer Attila wrote:
>> Hi Joanie,
>>
>> I see an interesting issue with math simbols.py related, but I unable to
>> reproduce this issue when I trying creating a debug.out file.
>> Following code line some time Orca saying the < and > characters with
>> math simbol context:
>> #include 
>> Some situations I hear following text when I navigating up or down arrow
>> this similar style line:
>> #include less thanstdio.hgreater than
>> The interesting thing is following:
>> the src/orca/chnames.py file I think defined the < and > characters with
>> less and greater texts.
>> When I trying creating the debug file and navigating the proper code
>> line with up or down arrow keys I right hearing the < and > characters
>> with less and greater shorter texts.
>> Testcase:
>> 1. Open Gedit.
>> 2. Paste following text and press ENTER key:
>> #include 
>> 3. Press up arrow key.
>> Expected result:
>> I think this situation need Orca saying the shorter less and greater
>> translatable text with defined the src/orca/chnames.py file the proper
>> text parts.
>> Actual result:
>> Orca some time using the src/orca/mathsimbols.py defined texts, some
>> time saying the src/orca/chnames.py file added texts (for example when
>> Orca running with --debug-file=debug.out commandline).
>> What possible doing this situation?
>> Better shorting the proper math simbols text with less and greater text
>> (simple cut the than text), or do a possibility to possible turn off
>> temporary or entire this feature with GUI preferences if this is need?
>>
>> Attila
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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Hello,
Just a little addendum to this.
If you would like to see your apps you can press super+a from anywhere.
You will get a grid of icons. By default it will display most frequently 
used apps. On my system it displays 17 apps in three rows where first 
two rows list six apps from left to right and the third one displays 
five remaining apps from left to right.
Below this frequently used apps overview there are two more icons saying 
all apps and frequently used apps. Pressing one of these changes the 
grid view accordingly.
You can navigate using all four arrow keys in this view and you can 
activate the icons with enter key.

I remember sometimes a while ago Dave Hunt has written an excelent wiki 
article explaining how gnome shell is organized pointing differences 
from gnome 2 and outlining how to use it with orca running however I can 
no longer find that article. I will try to look up something similar as 
I think something like this might help you.

Greetings

Peter

+421911554242

On 16.07.2015 at 03:06 Kyle wrote:
> I think the main problem is the fact that GNOME 3.x is very different
> from GNOME 2.x. For example, alt+f1 puts you in an overview window,
> where you can search for applications, files, settings controls, etc.
> If you are new to the GNOME 3.x experience, then you may find it a bit
> daunting. For an experience that is much more like the older but more
> familiar GNOME 2.x, try installing MATE.
>
> sudo pacman -S mate mate-extra
>
> should get you going at this point. Once that's installed, just choose
> MATE from GDM's session menu, since you already have GDM from when you
> installed GNOME. Then just hit the Orca shortcut key, alt+super+s,
> which should get you up and talking. Hope this helps.
> Sent from Shoeless Joe Jackson's lost shoes
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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Hello,
I've finally found what I think is a recommended material to novice 
gnome 3 aka gnome shell users.
https://web.archive.org/web/20130416212239/http://accessiblefreedom.org/wiki/index.php?title=GNOME_Shell

Greetings

Peter

On 16.07.2015 at 09:51 Peter Vgner wrote:
> Hello,
> Just a little addendum to this.
> If you would like to see your apps you can press super+a from anywhere.
> You will get a grid of icons. By default it will display most 
> frequently used apps. On my system it displays 17 apps in three rows 
> where first two rows list six apps from left to right and the third 
> one displays five remaining apps from left to right.
> Below this frequently used apps overview there are two more icons 
> saying all apps and frequently used apps. Pressing one of these 
> changes the grid view accordingly.
> You can navigate using all four arrow keys in this view and you can 
> activate the icons with enter key.
>
> I remember sometimes a while ago Dave Hunt has written an excelent 
> wiki article explaining how gnome shell is organized pointing 
> differences from gnome 2 and outlining how to use it with orca running 
> however I can no longer find that article. I will try to look up 
> something similar as I think something like this might help you.
>
> Greetings
>
> Peter
>
> +421911554242
>
> On 16.07.2015 at 03:06 Kyle wrote:
>> I think the main problem is the fact that GNOME 3.x is very different
>> from GNOME 2.x. For example, alt+f1 puts you in an overview window,
>> where you can search for applications, files, settings controls, etc.
>> If you are new to the GNOME 3.x experience, then you may find it a bit
>> daunting. For an experience that is much more like the older but more
>> familiar GNOME 2.x, try installing MATE.
>>
>> sudo pacman -S mate mate-extra
>>
>> should get you going at this point. Once that's installed, just choose
>> MATE from GDM's session menu, since you already have GDM from when you
>> installed GNOME. Then just hit the Orca shortcut key, alt+super+s,
>> which should get you up and talking. Hope this helps.
>> Sent from Shoeless Joe Jackson's lost shoes
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hi Joanie,

The fix works I think perfect, I tested Gedit with following possibilities:
#include 
if a b:
if a <=b:
if a !=b:
if a >=b:

Now Orca what situations using the math simbol translations?
An example string with Orca not speak the ∉ simbol translation:
a∉b
Simple enough paste Gedit this test string. I hear only the ∉ simbol 
when right arrow langing the caret this character.
When I read the letter in Thunderbird, I not hear the ∉ simbol both 
sayall and up or down line navigation when the line lands the test string.

Attila
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Hi all,

In SLED 12 (SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop), we have GNOME 3.10, and we are 
not going to update the GNOME stack right now, but I'm considering 
updating orca to 3.16.2, mainly because we have firefox 31.7 and 
LibreOffice 4.3.5.2 (both newer major versions than what we had when GNOME 
3.10 was released). Anyway, I'm building a package to test, but I was 
curious if anyone had tried running this combination, or a combination 
like it, and, if so, if you'd run into any problems that I should be aware 
of. (I don't really like mixing versions like this, but it seems like less 
of a bad idea than any other option.)

Thanks,
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Hi all.
Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git pull' 
and after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
Thanks.

-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

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Hi List,



 



I currently take a look into the libreoffice git and see some interesting stuff:



http://cgit.freedesktop.org/libreoffice/core/commit/?id=093d7b8142d0cb224fcf23506f3b36f7a3a10d2c



it seems that since a few days GTK3 a11y is working yay.



 



cheers chrys



 

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On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza
 wrote:
> Hi all.
> Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git pull' an=
d
> after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
> I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
> Thanks.
>
> --
> Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza
>

dear Jos=C3=A9, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
following command.
git checkout gtk3
Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
do the entire process again with following commands

sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=3D1
git checkout gtk3
autoreconf --install
./configure --prefix=3D/usr --with-gtk
make
sudo make install

Good luck!

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Thanks for the info.
Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the 
configure command.
The program is working again.
Thanks.




On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>  wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git pull' and
>> after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
>> I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>
> dear José, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
> do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
> following command.
> git checkout gtk3
> Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
> do the entire process again with following commands
>
> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
> git checkout gtk3
> autoreconf --install
> ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
> make
> sudo make install
>
> Good luck!
>

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Hi,
i've connected my facebook with thunderbird. now how to access the 
contact list and start chatting? using thunderbird latest, orca 3.14.3, 
ubuntu 15.04.


On Isnin 13 Jul 2015 05:49 , kk wrote:
>
>
>
> I am Using Ubuntu
> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed pidgin-dev 
> and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but natural that 
> autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit status 1.
> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
> Happy hacking.
> Krishnaknat..
>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>> Thanks.
>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB will 
>>> be back to work again.
>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>>> one can't use it.
>>> Happy hacking.
>>> Krishnakant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>> messages are
>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>       B.H.
>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>
>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>> hi
>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>
>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>>>> is at
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Does anyone provide a PKGBUILD for this branche?
i would like to try it out :).

Am 17.07.2015 um 13:11 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
> Thanks for the info.
> Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the 
> configure command.
> The program is working again.
> Thanks.
>
>
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> On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git 
>>> pull' and
>>> after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
>>> I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>
>> dear José, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
>> do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
>> following command.
>> git checkout gtk3
>> Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
>> do the entire process again with following commands
>>
>> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
>> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
>> git checkout gtk3
>> autoreconf --install
>> ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
>> make
>> sudo make install
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>> Good luck!
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Dear list,
I had written about accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths. Has anybody tried 
it? Let me know if anything to do for improvement.
Thanking you Sathyan.
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Hi Sathyan,

what versions are accessible?
in the AUR of arch are currently
aur/tuxtype 1.8.1-1
tuxmaths i could not found there.. so i have to make a PKGBUILD by 
myself or could you provide one?

cheers chrys

Am 17.07.2015 um 16:27 schrieb sathyan:
> Dear list,
> I had written about accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths. Has anybody tried 
> it? Let me know if anything to do for improvement.
> Thanking you Sathyan.
> _______________________________________________
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> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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I don't know, but my tb hanged when I tryed using it.
The libpurple library is now doing fine with Pidgin.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.

On Friday 17 July 2015 06:44 PM, Amir wrote:
> Hi,
> i've connected my facebook with thunderbird. now how to access the 
> contact list and start chatting? using thunderbird latest, orca 
> 3.14.3, ubuntu 15.04.
>
>
> On Isnin 13 Jul 2015 05:49 , kk wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> I am Using Ubuntu
>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>> natural that autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit 
>> status 1.
>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnaknat..
>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>>> Thanks.
>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>>>> one can't use it.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>> messages are
>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vágner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple José has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, José has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly José.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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I would like to try it out but I could not get the sites appear in 
Firefox to download and install:
https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxtype.git

https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxmath.git

Milton
Op 17-07-15 om 16:27 schreef sathyan:
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> I had written about accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths. Has anybody tried 
> it? Let me know if anything to do for improvement.
> Thanking you Sathyan.
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Is this a fork or will the a11y changes be in effect upstream?

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I would like to try it out but I could not get the sites appear in =
Firefox to download and install:
https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxtype.git

https://anonscm.debian.org/git/tux4kids/tuxmath.git

Milton
Op 17-07-15 om 16:27 schreef sathyan:
> Dear list,
> I had written about accessible tuxtype and tuxmaths. Has anybody tried =

> it? Let me know if anything to do for improvement.
> Thanking you Sathyan.
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Subject: [orca-list] Orca slow when several objects on the same line
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Hi,

Orca 3.16, MATE 1.8, Debian 8.0, Iceweasel 38 (from unstable repo).

When a line of a web page contains several objects (10 radio buttons, 
checkboxes, edit areas, etc), Orca becomes very slow before speaking the 
line. It means when I press the down arrow key, the focus reaches the 
line containing these objects, and before speaking it, Orca exreriences 
a several seconds (about 20) latency.

The details and log:
http://bugs.debian.org/792749




The bug seems fixed in the master. Could you give me how to backport it 
to 3.16 so that we could ship the fix in Debian?




Thanks.

Regards,

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hi
I've noticed this also on seamonkey when there re a large amount of
links. What I think should happen would be orca announcing the number
of items. 14 links, 10 radeo buttons, etc, rather than trying to read
them all individually, which is what it does now.
Thanks
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MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Orca 3.16, MATE 1.8, Debian 8.0, Iceweasel 38 (from unstable
> repo).
> 
> When a line of a web page contains several objects (10 radio
> buttons, checkboxes, edit areas, etc), Orca becomes very slow
> before speaking the line. It means when I press the down arrow key,
> the focus reaches the line containing these objects, and before
> speaking it, Orca exreriences a several seconds (about 20)
> latency.
> 
> The details and log: http://bugs.debian.org/792749
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The bug seems fixed in the master. Could you give me how to
> backport it to 3.16 so that we could ship the fix in Debian?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> 
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Subject: [orca-list] Orca doesn't come back automatically in navigation mode
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Hi,

Orca 3.16, MATE 1.8, Debian 8.0, Iceweasel 38 (from unstable repo).

After I fill a form, enable the OK button or similar, Orca places the 
focus at the beginning of the page which pop-up. But instead of passing 
in navigation mode, since it's not in a form anymore, Orca stays in 
nafocus mode.

The details with log are here:
http://bugs.debian.org/792750


The bug seems fixed in the master. Could you give me how to backport it 
to 3.16 so that we could ship the fix in Debian?




Thanks.

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Hello,
 From the View menu open Conversations and you will see list of your 
contacts along with receive / send messages fields.

Greetings

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On 17.07.2015 at 15:14 Amir wrote:
> Hi,
> i've connected my facebook with thunderbird. now how to access the 
> contact list and start chatting? using thunderbird latest, orca 
> 3.14.3, ubuntu 15.04.
>
>
> On Isnin 13 Jul 2015 05:49 , kk wrote:
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>>
>>
>> I am Using Ubuntu
>> Can you tell me exact apt-get install packages, I installed 
>> pidgin-dev and libpurple-dev, I can't get the rest, so it is but 
>> natural that autoreconf gives error  I get aclocal failed with exit 
>> status 1.
>> this happens with when i just type autoreconf and press enter.
>> Happy hacking.
>> Krishnaknat..
>>  On Monday 13 July 2015 02:43 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>> What fails did you receive in autoreconf? Which distro are you using
>>> Thanks.
>>> On 07/13/2015 06:05 AM, kk wrote:
>>>> I think the pidgen option with the new API is a great alternative.
>>>> But Still not able to get it build for me.
>>>> If any one can please get the .so file then Orca, Pidgin and FB 
>>>> will be back to work again.
>>>> So much has been done to make Pidgin so accessible, it is sad that 
>>>> one can't use it.
>>>> Happy hacking.
>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Monday 13 July 2015 04:50 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>> it's very accessible, but not really usable with twitter as 
>>>>> messages are
>>>>> in a grid and it's way too slow to locate a specific tweet.
>>>>> I can't remember under what conditions incoming messages are read
>>>>> automatically, come on gtalk or facebook chat and can test.
>>>>> I  think tbird is as likely to break as pidgin...lol.
>>>>> But it is a decent alternative/works pretty well for irc also.
>>>>>       B.H.
>>>>>     Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>
>>>>> On 12/07/15 06:10 PM, kendell clark wrote:
>>>>>> hi
>>>>>> I've always wondered whether tb chat was accessible. Does orca
>>>>>> automatically read incoming messages like it does with pidgin? If so
>>>>>> that's another option if something happens to pidgin.
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> Kendell clark
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>> I have never noticed any difference in performance on my less than
>>>>>>> state of the market hardware with any chat accounts on
>>>>>>> thunderbird. Yes, chat was added back when, thought it was TB15,
>>>>>>> but I always thought it was         . It's not working for me now
>>>>>>> anyway, but going to check something just in case as I've not used
>>>>>>> TB chat in a couple of months I think, least not on this machine. I
>>>>>>> think it's indeed broken like everything else though. Going to try
>>>>>>> a nightly build from the last day or so to make sure that they have
>>>>>>> not changed to the new api. I've not googled about this so if you
>>>>>>> are sure that thunderbird is indeed using a facebook api and not
>>>>>>> jabber then I apologize for wasting time reading this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886
>>>>>>> On 12/07/15 09:20 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I know THunderbird is verry verry sluggish at times but I don't
>>>>>>>> think it might have something to do with facebook account. I
>>>>>>>> think you should start thunderbird, press tab key then press
>>>>>>>> left arrow key several times, press the tab key again and left
>>>>>>>> arrow several times. Repeat this some two or three more times to
>>>>>>>> make sure all the folders are collapsed. Then exit thunderbird,
>>>>>>>> wait a little while and try to start it again. Now you should
>>>>>>>> have got rid of that horrible lag and you can continue like
>>>>>>>> normal. For example if you wish to remove that facebook account,
>>>>>>>> you can go to menubar -> Edit -> Accounts, find the facebook
>>>>>>>> account, tab to the account actions button and hit delete from
>>>>>>>> its popup menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 16:01 Krishnakant Mane wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On 12/07/2015, Peter Vgner  wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello, There is nothing to install when using Thunderbird.
>>>>>>>>>> Any recent version of Thunderbird is enough, I guess
>>>>>>>>>> Thunderbird has this thing built in since version 17 or
>>>>>>>>>> something similar. Knowing this you can just go to Menu bar
>>>>>>>>>> -> File -> Chat account. A new account wizard should open.
>>>>>>>>>> In the list of supported protocols choose Facebook chat. Hit
>>>>>>>>>> next and fill in your account name and password on upcoming
>>>>>>>>>> screens. Your facebook account is not your email address nor
>>>>>>>>>> your phone number. You can opt to have one on the facebook
>>>>>>>>>> website if you had not done this previously. With this being
>>>>>>>>>> sayd, Facebook XMPP interface is obsolete everywhere, they
>>>>>>>>>> have stated numerous times they are discontinuing that so I
>>>>>>>>>> am afraid this is just coincidence it's still working for me
>>>>>>>>>> like this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Back to facebook-purple Jos has recommended, the following
>>>>>>>>>> is an excerpt from their readme...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Make sure glib, json-glib, libpurple (pidgin), and zlib are
>>>>>>>>>> installed with their headers and development information. If
>>>>>>>>>> these packages came from the distribution's repository, they
>>>>>>>>>> will likely need additional development packages, usually
>>>>>>>>>> suffixed with -dev.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I'm not on debian and compatible so I think apt-cache and
>>>>>>>>>> apt-get will help you if you are on ubuntu and similar. On
>>>>>>>>>> archlinux, Jos has even quoted PKGBUILD script you can use
>>>>>>>>>> to build this.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:22 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Peter, How do you install the plugin? Secondly, how do
>>>>>>>>>>> you chat? Is it very accessible using Thunderbird? Can you
>>>>>>>>>>> mail me off the list about the details? Happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 12:49 PM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello, This is interesting. I am using thunderbird for
>>>>>>>>>>>> chatting on facebook, my girl friend is using instantbird
>>>>>>>>>>>> on windows, we both are connecting via xmpp to it and it
>>>>>>>>>>>> appears to work even today at least I can see all my
>>>>>>>>>>>> contacts online. Yesterday I was even chatting with one
>>>>>>>>>>>> of my other friends.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Greetings
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 12.07.2015 at 09:11 kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I could not compine it. Can any one please tell me what
>>>>>>>>>>>>> dependencies I need> I tryed to install pidgin-dev and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple-dev, but still nothing works, the autoreconf
>>>>>>>>>>>>> install fails and I can't go any further with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> setup. Can any one guide me? I guess it is a matter of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> one .so file which needs to be coppied to some
>>>>>>>>>>>>> share/purple directory or some thing. happy hacking.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sunday 12 July 2015 06:49 AM, B.Henry wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Just to report that it is indeed working fine here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> too. Don't forget to clean up quote chars, e.g. > and
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any broken lines that may appear in your email
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> message before trying the PKGBUILD, but if you are
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using arch you don't need the reminder most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> likely...smiles. Anyway, thanks for posting this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> promptly Jos.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> B.H. Registerd Linux User 521886 On 11/07/15 08:20
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I received the following, perhaps it can help. It
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> was posted in the arch-general@archlinux.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sat, Jul 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Vasquez wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just found out facebook no longer supports xmpp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> interface, and it's using its own api [1].
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> However I found a plugin for pidgin on github
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [2].  It seems to be working fine for me.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If anyone interested, the following PKGBUILD is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> also working for me:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++ # Maintainer: Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgname=purple-facebook pkgver=a34b993324e4
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> pkgrel=1 pkgdesc="Facebook protocol plugin for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> libpurple" arch=("i686" "x86_64")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> url="https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> license=('GPL2')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> depends=('libpurple' 'pidgin') source=("
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook/releases/download/${pkgver}/purple-facebook-${pkgver}.tar.gz 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> ")
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> md5sums=('50e706ec573708da63951c33b5db120d')
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> build() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr make }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> package() { cd "${srcdir}/${pkgname}-${pkgver}"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install install -Dm644
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> COPYING
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> "${pkgdir}/usr/share/licenses/${pkgname}/LICENSE"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> }
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> # vim:set ts=2 sw=2 et: ++++++++++++++++++++++
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Javier
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> [1]
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2015/04/facebook-chat-api-empathy-pidgin-stop-working 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> [2]https://github.com/jgeboski/purple-facebook
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm not using it but a quick aur search found
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://aur4.archlinux.org/packages/purple-facebook-git/
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think whatever you are using is better, you could
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> publish it to aur(4)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 07/11/2015 10:07 AM, kk wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hello all, This is bad news. Pidgin and FB won't
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> work now it seems. So if I go to facebook.com
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> will I be able to chat using Orca? I never tired
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> this before so wished to have a word or 2 from
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> experienced people. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The manual is at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> -- Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> information on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>>>>>>>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca  for more information
>>>>>>>>>>>>> on Orca. The manual is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> athttp://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out how to help
>>>>>>>>>>>>> athttp://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>>>>>> I tryed the fb plugin on Thunderbird, but do I say I tryed!
>>>>>>>>> This was the most uggly experience I had with Thunderbird. I am
>>>>>>>>> writing this email from the google web site.  I have to do
>>>>>>>>> this because Now Thunderbird does not work at all. Not just
>>>>>>>>> that, once I start it, the entire OS is either hang or at least
>>>>>>>>> speechless.  I got force quit button after 5 minutes and even
>>>>>>>>> after doing that, Orca is sluggish in all applications that I
>>>>>>>>> open. In short, Thunderbird came, jammed the system to such an
>>>>>>>>> extent that even after force quit, my machine does not come
>>>>>>>>> back to normalcy. Now I want to ask, (although it is off topic
>>>>>>>>> ) how to remove the facebook folder from Thunderbird's folder?
>>>>>>>>> I mean there is the .thunderbird folder in Home/kk (my user
>>>>>>>>> account). I will remove it and try again. But don't know which
>>>>>>>>> folder it is. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>>>>>> is at
>>>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html 
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is at 
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Hi Jean-Philippe.

Did you try with Orca master? I just did. Having created a line with 15
radio buttons and with speech and braille both enabled (i.e. for the
maximum amount of work/processing needed by Orca), the results are:

3.16: 20.5446 seconds total processing time (ouch!)
master: 1.0454 seconds total processing time

While I'd like to further improve that time, I think going from over 20
seconds to just slightly over 1 second is a pretty decent improvement if
I do say so myself.

If you are still seeing this problem with Orca master, please provide me
with an HTML file with which to reproduce the problem.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 07/17/2015 10:10 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Orca 3.16, MATE 1.8, Debian 8.0, Iceweasel 38 (from unstable repo).
> 
> When a line of a web page contains several objects (10 radio buttons,
> checkboxes, edit areas, etc), Orca becomes very slow before speaking the
> line. It means when I press the down arrow key, the focus reaches the
> line containing these objects, and before speaking it, Orca exreriences
> a several seconds (about 20) latency.
> 
> The details and log:
> http://bugs.debian.org/792749
> 
> 
> 
> 
> The bug seems fixed in the master. Could you give me how to backport it
> to 3.16 so that we could ship the fix in Debian?
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Regards,
> 

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Oops, sorry for the spam.

I'm still sleep deprived from two weeks of travel and didn't see this
bit from Jean-Philippe's message:

On 07/17/2015 10:15 PM, MENGUAL Jean-Philippe wrote:

> The bug seems fixed in the master. Could you give me how to backport it
> to 3.16 so that we could ship the fix in Debian?

The web support code in Orca master is significantly rewritten. There's
not a small, isolated patch you can backport. Sorry!

--joanie

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hi all
I'm writing in to report a very odd problem in the latest orca master,
pulled from about five minutes ago. In web content, when I press
alt+shift+* to open a list of elements, orca seems to be unable to
open the list. It seems as if gnome traps the keyboard shortcut and
prevents orca from getting it. I say this because instead of the list
opening, orca says the title of the window, which it often does if a
keyboard shortcut is intercepted. I'm not at all sure if this is an
issue with my configuration, doubtful, or my keyboard. The keyboard
I'm using now, a logitech k520, seems to have a problem with the
alt+orca+1 and alt+orca+3 combination and won't process them. One
further issue, that's completely unrelated but strange. When in learn
mode, if I press the control+alt+shift keys together, orca reports the
key sequence "iso_next_group". I've never heard of such a key, which
is why I suspect my keyboard.  I was trying to activate gnome's screen
cast functionality with alt+ctrl+shift+r. Never did get it working.
I'll try on the only other working machine I have hear, mellisa's
laptop. Can anyone else reproduce this? I've just done one other test.
When in learn mode, the alt+shift combination is trapped by gnome, or
something, and orca isn't getting the keystroke. It's also kicking
orca out of it's learn mode, which I didn't think was possible unless
it was exited. Now I've definitely got to try on another machine.
First though, sleep. I've been up far far too long.
Thanks for reading
Kendell clark
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Has anyone on the list had any success using change tracking or comments with
LibreOffice Writer?

With change tracking, the braille display shows a question mark where the
change occurs. If I move to that character, speech reports it as an "object
replacement character". The same happens with comments. However, I can't find
any means of discovering, with change tracking on, what has been inserted or
deleted.

If I try to insert a comment, Orca is unable to present any of the text that I
type. Further, I can't find any means of reviewing existing comments.

The use case is one of: take a word processor file with comments and change
tracking enabled, make changes and send it back to the author.

When writing documents from scratch, I always use LaTeX, Markdown or HTML, so
I don't run into this problem. Fortunately, some of my colleagues are
comfortable with Git and text editors, but I also receive word processor files
from time to time that need to be edited and returned in the same format, so
simply converting them isn't the right option in such cases.

The version of LibreOffice is 4.4.4. My suspicion is that these are
LibreOffice bugs that will take for ever to get fixed, but one might as well
start somewhere!

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Hi,

Yes, these bugs are known and reported. They are due to the fact that LO 
doesn't send to a11y bus information about comments and changes. Hence 
the problem.

It makes part of the big changes needed by LO to be more accessible. I 
hope we'll manage to handle them, but given that working on LO is a hard 
work, we are waiting for finding the good approach.

Know today that:
1. Some study is doing to identify a11y bugs of LO and fix them. While 
it is for NVDA, I hope the fixes will concern GNU/Linux as well.
2. This study, driven by the French State, will enable to write a 
request for code, that will be done by a third-party company.
3. We plan a crowd-funding to pay for such changes too, if the 1st 
approach doesn't give good results for GNU/Linux.

Regards,

Le 19/07/2015 20:00, Jason White a écrit :
> Has anyone on the list had any success using change tracking or comments with
> LibreOffice Writer?
>
> With change tracking, the braille display shows a question mark where the
> change occurs. If I move to that character, speech reports it as an "object
> replacement character". The same happens with comments. However, I can't find
> any means of discovering, with change tracking on, what has been inserted or
> deleted.
>
> If I try to insert a comment, Orca is unable to present any of the text that I
> type. Further, I can't find any means of reviewing existing comments.
>
> The use case is one of: take a word processor file with comments and change
> tracking enabled, make changes and send it back to the author.
>
> When writing documents from scratch, I always use LaTeX, Markdown or HTML, so
> I don't run into this problem. Fortunately, some of my colleagues are
> comfortable with Git and text editors, but I also receive word processor files
> from time to time that need to be edited and returned in the same format, so
> simply converting them isn't the right option in such cases.
>
> The version of LibreOffice is 4.4.4. My suspicion is that these are
> LibreOffice bugs that will take for ever to get fixed, but one might as well
> start somewhere!
>
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
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MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  wrote:
 
> Know today that:
> 1. Some study is doing to identify a11y bugs of LO and fix them. While it is
> for NVDA, I hope the fixes will concern GNU/Linux as well.

I hope so too.

> 2. This study, driven by the French State, will enable to write a request
> for code, that will be done by a third-party company.

I hope it's one of the well known organizations with significant free/libre
software and accessibility experience. Igalia would be a good choice in my
opinion.

> 3. We plan a crowd-funding to pay for such changes too, if the 1st approach
> doesn't give good results for GNU/Linux.

There's enough money being made from Linux and free software generally, and
sufficient regulatory demand for accessibility, that there ought to be a way
to channel some of those resources into development efforts.

Basically, we need to reinstate and surpass the level of development support
that was in place when Sun and IBM were both contributing development effort.

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+1 for Igalia
But this is with LO with context to the Windows accessibility API, so I 
have my reservations to the asumtions that this will work for GNU/Linux, 
particularly to the AT-SPI or Gnome desktop.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.,

On Sunday 19 July 2015 11:57 PM, Jason White wrote:
> MENGUAL Jean-Philippe  wrote:
>   
>> Know today that:
>> 1. Some study is doing to identify a11y bugs of LO and fix them. While it is
>> for NVDA, I hope the fixes will concern GNU/Linux as well.
> I hope so too.
>
>> 2. This study, driven by the French State, will enable to write a request
>> for code, that will be done by a third-party company.
> I hope it's one of the well known organizations with significant free/libre
> software and accessibility experience. Igalia would be a good choice in my
> opinion.
>
>> 3. We plan a crowd-funding to pay for such changes too, if the 1st approach
>> doesn't give good results for GNU/Linux.
> There's enough money being made from Linux and free software generally, and
> sufficient regulatory demand for accessibility, that there ought to be a way
> to channel some of those resources into development efforts.
>
> Basically, we need to reinstate and surpass the level of development support
> that was in place when Sun and IBM were both contributing development effort.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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kk  wrote:
> 
> +1 for Igalia
> But this is with LO with context to the Windows accessibility API, so I have
> my reservations to the asumtions that this will work for GNU/Linux,
> particularly to the AT-SPI or Gnome desktop.

Like Mozilla, LibreOffice uses an internal accessibility API which is then
associated with the operating system-specific API of each platform. So, if
they fix their bugs at the internal API level, much of the work is done, and
the remaining portion involves improving the code that connects with ATK.

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Hi vilmar, hi list,

i did a look a this great work.
its great that the game is accessible for visual impaired :). great job! 
thanks for doing that.
i found a few strange things:
- I start a new party, (play vs computer, i play white on the bottom 
side of the field): i select the right knight. If i press the arrow up 
key now (to select a new field), the focus is somewhere it say 'lower 
as' button (german: "kleiner als" Druckknopf. after that i have to press 
arrow down do go back to the gamefield. now i could press again arrow up 
to focus the next field. ( i would like to set the new field without 
focusing the "<" button. (is that possible? because that makes playing 
the game hard)
- is it possible to change the order of that whas announced? it would be 
cool if first the piece on a field is spoken and after that the 
coordinates are spoken. ( because its more usefull, if i m on
B1 and Press arrow left i know where i m :), the piece is more 
interesting to me )
- a neat feature is also to announce if i unselect a piece :).

- sometimes a strange "panel" appears with "translation information" 
could i disable it somewhere? or is this just for debugging because its 
a git :)?

for anyone in the list who like to try this cool stuff in archlinux i 
did a small change at the current xboard-git PKGBUILD from AUR. its not 
perfect but it installs and remove nicely :). here it comes:
####PGKBUILD START######
# Maintainer: chrys87

pkgname=xboard-gtk3-git
pkgrel=1
pkgver=20150720
pkgdesc="A graphical user interfaces for chess"
arch=('i686' 'x86_64')
url="http://www.gnu.org/software/xboard/"
license=('GPL3')
depends=('gnuchess' 'gtk3' 'desktop-file-utils' 'librsvg')
makedepends=('git')
_reponame=xboard
provides=("$_reponame")
conflicts=("$_reponame")
source=("git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git#branch=gtk3")
backup=("etc/$_reponame/$_reponame.conf")
md5sums=('SKIP')

pkgver()
{
     cd "$srcdir/$_reponame"
     git log -1 --format="%cd" --date=short | sed 's|-||g'
}

build()
{
     cd "$srcdir/$_reponame"

     # using gnuchess, which is in repo as default chess engine
     sed -i 's/fairymax/gnuchess/' gtk/xboard.h xaw/xboard.h xboard.conf
     ./autogen.sh
     ./configure --prefix=/usr --mandir=/usr/share/man \
         --sysconfdir=/etc/xboard --disable-rpath --disable-update-mimedb \
         --enable-zippy --with-gtk
     make
}

package()
{
     cd "${srcdir}/$_reponame"
     make DESTDIR="${pkgdir}" install
}
###PKGBUILD END######





Am 17.07.2015 um 13:11 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
> Thanks for the info.
> Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the 
> configure command.
> The program is working again.
> Thanks.
>
>
>
>
> On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi all.
>>> Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git 
>>> pull' and
>>> after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
>>> I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>> -- 
>>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>
>> dear José, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
>> do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
>> following command.
>> git checkout gtk3
>> Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
>> do the entire process again with following commands
>>
>> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
>> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
>> git checkout gtk3
>> autoreconf --install
>> ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
>> make
>> sudo make install
>>
>> Good luck!
>>
>

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I reckon we should make an AUR package that pulls from git soon, now as long as the branch is not likely to be changed.


   

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  chrys87 wrote:
Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 03:58:03PM +0200

> Does anyone provide a PKGBUILD for this branche?
> i would like to try it out :).
> 
> Am 17.07.2015 um 13:11 schrieb Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza:
> >Thanks for the info.
> >Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the
> >configure command.
> >The program is working again.
> >Thanks.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> >>On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
> >> wrote:
> >>>Hi all.
> >>>Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git pull'
> >>>and
> >>>after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
> >>>I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
> >>>Thanks.
> >>>
> >>>-- 
> >>>Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
> >>>
> >>dear Jos, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
> >>do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
> >>following command.
> >>git checkout gtk3
> >>Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
> >>do the entire process again with following commands
> >>
> >>sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
> >>git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
> >>git checkout gtk3
> >>autoreconf --install
> >>./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
> >>make
> >>sudo make install
> >>
> >>Good luck!
> >>
> >
> 
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Greetings,
today I received an update of Eclipse to version 4.5.
I tried exporting variable SWT_GTK3 as stated in previous email but it
didn't seem to help.
I used downgrade tool to stay with 4.4.
Anyone using Eclipse 4.5 on ARch Linux with Orca successfully?
Thanks,
Vojta

On 8.7.2015 11:37, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3 by
> default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.
> You can read more in the following link:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031
>
> You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment variable
> called |SWT_GTK3 and set the value to 0.
> Use the following command:
> ||export SWT_GTK3=0
> You can include the command in your .bashrc file.
>
> |
> On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan Hernandez wrote:
>>
>> Hi All,
>>
>>  
>>
>> I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22 box.  When moving around the
>> application I found that it was fairly navigable.  One issue I had
>> and this is an important one when I tried to open a java file,, or
>> some kind of file, I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Any help would be greatly appreciated.  Is there any setup for
>> accessibility I need to do to get it to work?  Does one need the Java
>> access bridge to get eclipse usable?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Thanks all.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Best,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Juan
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
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>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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>
> -- 
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    Greetings,

    today I received an update of Eclipse to version 4.5.

    I tried exporting variable SWT_GTK3 as stated in previous email but
    it didn't seem to help.

    I used downgrade tool to stay with 4.4.

    Anyone using Eclipse 4.5 on ARch Linux with Orca successfully?

    Thanks,

    Vojta

    

    
On 8.7.2015 11:37, José Vilmar Estácio
      de Souza wrote:

    

    

      
      Hi.

      Eclipse is accessible using orca but in 4.5 eclipse is using gtk3
      by default and this is the cause of accessibility problems.

      You can read more in the following link:

      https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=470031

      

      You can forece eclipse to use gtk2 creating an environment
      variable called SWT_GTK3 and set the
        value to 0.

        Use the following command:

      export SWT_GTK3=0

        You can include the command in your .bashrc file.

        

      
      
On 07/07/2015 07:13 PM, Juan
        Hernandez wrote:

      

      

        
        
        
        

          
Hi All,

          
 

          
I installed eclipse 4.5 on my fedora 22
            box.  When moving around the application I found that it was
            fairly navigable.  One issue I had and this is an important
            one when I tried to open a java file,, or some kind of file,
            I got nothing.  Is Eclipse not accessible with orca?

          
 

          
Any help would be greatly appreciated. 
            Is there any setup for accessibility I need to do to get it
            to work?  Does one need the Java access bridge to get
            eclipse usable?

          
 

          
Thanks all.

          
 

          
Best,

          
 

          
Juan

        

        

        

        

        
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Sodbeams to cooperate with Orca and how to install Java development kit 
if I Am blind with no sight at all.
Would somebody sighted  here be so kind and would use remote connection 
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know about step by step instructions?
I do not like Java development kit installer, because it do not 
cooperate with Orca, is inaccessible.
Alien command isnot able to usefully install .rpm package of Java 
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On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM, chrys87  wrote:
> Hi vilmar, hi list,
>
> i did a look a this great work.
> its great that the game is accessible for visual impaired :). great job!
> thanks for doing that.

Thanks chrys87 for trying xboard!!

> i found a few strange things:
> - I start a new party, (play vs computer, i play white on the bottom side of
> the field): i select the right knight. If i press the arrow up key now (to
> select a new field), the focus is somewhere it say 'lower as' button
> (german: "kleiner als" Druckknopf. after that i have to press arrow down do
> go back to the gamefield. now i could press again arrow up to focus the next
> field. ( i would like to set the new field without focusing the "<" button.
> (is that possible? because that makes playing the game hard)

The solution patch is attached with this mail. Apply the patch and
recompile xboard.
Please report feedback as soon as possible.

> - is it possible to change the order of that whas announced? it would be
> cool if first the piece on a field is spoken and after that the coordinates
> are spoken. ( because its more usefull, if i m on
> B1 and Press arrow left i know where i m :), the piece is more interesting
> to me )

Ahh dear list please let me know your opinion about this!!

> - a neat feature is also to announce if i unselect a piece :).

Yes  sure this also added in the attached patch. Thanks for your
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Here is the person you will want to contact about this:

http://web.cs.unlv.edu/stefika/Contact.php

If anyone can help you, it will be Dr. Stefik.

Best regards,
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Does somebody of us know how to install Sodbeams for Linux in latest =
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if I Am blind with no sight at all.
Would somebody sighted  here be so kind and would use remote connection =
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I do not like Java development kit installer, because it do not =
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Alien command isnot able to usefully install .rpm package of Java =
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Cool :) could you apply it?

Am 20.07.2015 um 21:07 schrieb Nalin.x.Linux:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM, chrys87  wrote:
>> Hi vilmar, hi list,
>>
>> i did a look a this great work.
>> its great that the game is accessible for visual impaired :). great job!
>> thanks for doing that.
> Thanks chrys87 for trying xboard!!
>
>> i found a few strange things:
>> - I start a new party, (play vs computer, i play white on the bottom side of
>> the field): i select the right knight. If i press the arrow up key now (to
>> select a new field), the focus is somewhere it say 'lower as' button
>> (german: "kleiner als" Druckknopf. after that i have to press arrow down do
>> go back to the gamefield. now i could press again arrow up to focus the next
>> field. ( i would like to set the new field without focusing the "<" button.
>> (is that possible? because that makes playing the game hard)
> The solution patch is attached with this mail. Apply the patch and
> recompile xboard.
> Please report feedback as soon as possible.
>
>> - is it possible to change the order of that whas announced? it would be
>> cool if first the piece on a field is spoken and after that the coordinates
>> are spoken. ( because its more usefull, if i m on
>> B1 and Press arrow left i know where i m :), the piece is more interesting
>> to me )
> Ahh dear list please let me know your opinion about this!!
>
>> - a neat feature is also to announce if i unselect a piece :).
> Yes  sure this also added in the attached patch. Thanks for your
> valuable feedback.

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Cool :) could you apply the patch?

Am 20.07.2015 um 21:07 schrieb Nalin.x.Linux:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM, chrys87  wrote:
>> Hi vilmar, hi list,
>>
>> i did a look a this great work.
>> its great that the game is accessible for visual impaired :). great job!
>> thanks for doing that.
> Thanks chrys87 for trying xboard!!
>
>> i found a few strange things:
>> - I start a new party, (play vs computer, i play white on the bottom side of
>> the field): i select the right knight. If i press the arrow up key now (to
>> select a new field), the focus is somewhere it say 'lower as' button
>> (german: "kleiner als" Druckknopf. after that i have to press arrow down do
>> go back to the gamefield. now i could press again arrow up to focus the next
>> field. ( i would like to set the new field without focusing the "<" button.
>> (is that possible? because that makes playing the game hard)
> The solution patch is attached with this mail. Apply the patch and
> recompile xboard.
> Please report feedback as soon as possible.
>
>> - is it possible to change the order of that whas announced? it would be
>> cool if first the piece on a field is spoken and after that the coordinates
>> are spoken. ( because its more usefull, if i m on
>> B1 and Press arrow left i know where i m :), the piece is more interesting
>> to me )
> Ahh dear list please let me know your opinion about this!!
>
>> - a neat feature is also to announce if i unselect a piece :).
> Yes  sure this also added in the attached patch. Thanks for your
> valuable feedback.

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While the oldschool chess notation that was stilil very much in use when I was young spoke the piece first, e.g., knite to king's bishop 3, with the 
more modern notation used by xboard I prefer things as they currently are spoken. This is mostlly based on how it sounds rather than any logic, but 
hearing one letter and one number is pretty fast, so any logical advantage gained by either order is minimal.
I for one want to hear both bits of information anyway, so I will go with what sounds best to my ear/purely asthetic...
It would probably not be so hard to make changing this order an option, so if it is imppportant for someone to have a different order than what we have 
now I vote for adding this option to the accessibility menu.
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  Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:37:15AM +0530

> On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM, chrys87  wrote:
> > Hi vilmar, hi list,
> >
> > i did a look a this great work.
> > its great that the game is accessible for visual impaired :). great job!
> > thanks for doing that.
> 
> Thanks chrys87 for trying xboard!!
> 
> > i found a few strange things:
> > - I start a new party, (play vs computer, i play white on the bottom side of
> > the field): i select the right knight. If i press the arrow up key now (to
> > select a new field), the focus is somewhere it say 'lower as' button
> > (german: "kleiner als" Druckknopf. after that i have to press arrow down do
> > go back to the gamefield. now i could press again arrow up to focus the next
> > field. ( i would like to set the new field without focusing the "<" button.
> > (is that possible? because that makes playing the game hard)
> 
> The solution patch is attached with this mail. Apply the patch and
> recompile xboard.
> Please report feedback as soon as possible.
> 
> > - is it possible to change the order of that whas announced? it would be
> > cool if first the piece on a field is spoken and after that the coordinates
> > are spoken. ( because its more usefull, if i m on
> > B1 and Press arrow left i know where i m :), the piece is more interesting
> > to me )
> 
> Ahh dear list please let me know your opinion about this!!
> 
> > - a neat feature is also to announce if i unselect a piece :).
> 
> Yes  sure this also added in the attached patch. Thanks for your
> valuable feedback.

> diff --git a/backend.c b/backend.c
> index c707c76..d2341b0 100644
> --- a/backend.c
> +++ b/backend.c
> @@ -7482,6 +7482,9 @@ KeyNavigation(int key)
>  			if (fromX == x && fromY == y){
>  				lock = 0;
>  				MarkTargetSquares(1);
> +				currentpiece = boards[currentMove][y][x];
> +				sprintf(info,"%s-%d %s Unselected!",SquareToChar(x),y+1,PieceToName(currentpiece,1));
> +				set_accessible_description(info,TRUE);
>  				printf("\nSame Square");
>  			}
>  			else{					
> diff --git a/gtk/xoptions.c b/gtk/xoptions.c
> index 51b9781..e1df9ca 100644
> --- a/gtk/xoptions.c
> +++ b/gtk/xoptions.c
> @@ -923,7 +923,7 @@ GraphEventProc(GtkWidget *widget, GdkEvent *event, gpointer gdata)
>  	      kevent->keyval == GDK_KEY_Down ||
>  	      kevent->keyval == GDK_KEY_Left ||
>  	      kevent->keyval == GDK_KEY_Right))
> -		return;
> +		return FALSE;
>  
>  }
>  

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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 2:28 AM, B. Henry  wrote:
> While the oldschool chess notation that was stilil very much in use when I was young spoke the piece first, e.g., knite to king's bishop 3, with the
> more modern notation used by xboard I prefer things as they currently are spoken. This is mostlly based on how it sounds rather than any logic, but
> hearing one letter and one number is pretty fast, so any logical advantage gained by either order is minimal.
> I for one want to hear both bits of information anyway, so I will go with what sounds best to my ear/purely asthetic...
> It would probably not be so hard to make changing this order an option, so if it is imppportant for someone to have a different order than what we have
> now I vote for adding this option to the accessibility menu.
> Thanks.

Dear list members, please list the options to be provided in the
accessibility-preferences window.

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Hi all.
Probably not the correct list to place this message, but ...
I don't kno to play chess but now that xboard is accessible i'll try to 
learn!

While testing the program I found a possible bug when using the alt+x 
combination, used to say the machine move.

To reproduce try the following steps:
1. Type a move like a2a3.
2. Wait until orca announce the move of the machine.
3. Press alt+x and observe that orca repeats correctly the move execute 
by the machine.
4. Type a wrong move like a3a5. Orca announce that the move could not be 
executed.
5. Press alt+x again.

Instead of announce the move executed in the step 2, orca reads the 
message caused by the step 4.

-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

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Hey José.

Looks like it's from embedded ads. I have just committed a change to
master which I hope solves it without introducing any unwanted side
effects. Please test and let me know.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 07/13/2015 05:48 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all.
> When I go to
> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First
> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
> message:
> 'finished load about:blank'.
> Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
> Thanks.
> 

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Seems to be fixed, thanks.

On 07/21/2015 03:22 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey José.
>
> Looks like it's from embedded ads. I have just committed a change to
> master which I hope solves it without introducing any unwanted side
> effects. Please test and let me know.
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 07/13/2015 05:48 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> When I go to
>> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Linux-4.2-Features-First
>> I can not read this page  because orca repeats constantly the following
>> message:
>> 'finished load about:blank'.
>> Any ideas on how to silence this annoying message?
>> Thanks.
>>

-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

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Hey all.

Several of you have reported that when Orca doesn't present something in
Firefox, you can sometimes "fix" it by Alt+Tabbing out of Firefox and
back into it. When you Alt+Tab out of Firefox, Orca dumps things we're
caching for performance. So I'm trying to find where I can dump cache to
solve the problems you've reported without dumping it so frequently as
to lose the performance benefits. When a page finishes loading seems
like a good, conservative first attempt. Which brings me to the following:

If you have a reliably reproducible Firefox test case "fixed" by
Alt+Tab, please pull master and see if the problem is now fixed for
real. If it is not, please capture a full debug.out and provide it,
along with very concrete steps I can follow to reproduce it. (Given that
the debug.out may be larger than the mailing list attachment size
limits, sending it to me personally is probably a good idea.)

Thanks!
--joanie
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hi
This commit seems to have fixed the few instances I've run into this
problem, mostly when reading daisy books. I'll keep this email around
though and write in if it turns out I'm wrong. But 3 books in and I
haven't had to alt tab once, so lets hope! Great work!
Thanks
Kendell clark


Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
> 
> Several of you have reported that when Orca doesn't present
> something in Firefox, you can sometimes "fix" it by Alt+Tabbing out
> of Firefox and back into it. When you Alt+Tab out of Firefox, Orca
> dumps things we're caching for performance. So I'm trying to find
> where I can dump cache to solve the problems you've reported
> without dumping it so frequently as to lose the performance
> benefits. When a page finishes loading seems like a good,
> conservative first attempt. Which brings me to the following:
> 
> If you have a reliably reproducible Firefox test case "fixed" by 
> Alt+Tab, please pull master and see if the problem is now fixed
> for real. If it is not, please capture a full debug.out and provide
> it, along with very concrete steps I can follow to reproduce it.
> (Given that the debug.out may be larger than the mailing list
> attachment size limits, sending it to me personally is probably a
> good idea.)
> 
> Thanks! --joanie _______________________________________________ 
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>
> 
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hi all
This is a strange bug to report, and to be completely honest, I'm not
sure if this is a gnome issue or an orca one. Steps to reproduce. Plug
in any kind of removable media. Flash drive, external hard drive, etc.
Open a terminal and change to any folder inside of that media. Then
attempt to eject the media using nautilus. You'll get a dialog which
says that the media is busy and offer to eject it anyway. This dialog
is not accessible at all. You can't tab around it, activate the
buttons, or get out of it unless you click one of the buttons to close
it. Flat review works, kind of. To be honest, I'm not even sure if
simulating a left click works, because it didn't the last time I tried
it, but I could've been focused on the wrong area. You can review by
line, but trying to review by word or character will skip the "eject
anyway" button, so I can't highlight the capital e to click on. I hope
I'm making any sense. This is an odd dialog. If needed I can capture a
debug log, just thought I'd report this in case anyone else
experiences this. This is with latest orca master as of  ten minutes
ago. It also happens with the latest stable 3.16.
Thanks for reading
Kendell clark
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hi
Well, I have just run into one instance where an alt+tab is needed in
firefox, but I'm not sure how to give concrete steps to reproduce.
It's in a bookshare book, which isn't publically available. I can
generate a debug ... or not, because when I restarted orca it would
likely be fixed. I'm confused.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
> 
> Several of you have reported that when Orca doesn't present
> something in Firefox, you can sometimes "fix" it by Alt+Tabbing out
> of Firefox and back into it. When you Alt+Tab out of Firefox, Orca
> dumps things we're caching for performance. So I'm trying to find
> where I can dump cache to solve the problems you've reported
> without dumping it so frequently as to lose the performance
> benefits. When a page finishes loading seems like a good,
> conservative first attempt. Which brings me to the following:
> 
> If you have a reliably reproducible Firefox test case "fixed" by 
> Alt+Tab, please pull master and see if the problem is now fixed
> for real. If it is not, please capture a full debug.out and provide
> it, along with very concrete steps I can follow to reproduce it.
> (Given that the debug.out may be larger than the mailing list
> attachment size limits, sending it to me personally is probably a
> good idea.)
> 
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Hi.
Confirmed as described.

Alt+tab, alt+f2, alt+f1 and etc  didn't work. Even ctrl+alt+f3 normaly 
used to switch to a virtual console also didn't work.

I was forced to shut down my machine using the poweroff button.

I tested with latest orca from master.

On 07/22/2015 04:07 AM, kendell clark wrote:
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> hi all
> This is a strange bug to report, and to be completely honest, I'm not
> sure if this is a gnome issue or an orca one. Steps to reproduce. Plug
> in any kind of removable media. Flash drive, external hard drive, etc.
> Open a terminal and change to any folder inside of that media. Then
> attempt to eject the media using nautilus. You'll get a dialog which
> says that the media is busy and offer to eject it anyway. This dialog
> is not accessible at all. You can't tab around it, activate the
> buttons, or get out of it unless you click one of the buttons to close
> it. Flat review works, kind of. To be honest, I'm not even sure if
> simulating a left click works, because it didn't the last time I tried
> it, but I could've been focused on the wrong area. You can review by
> line, but trying to review by word or character will skip the "eject
> anyway" button, so I can't highlight the capital e to click on. I hope
> I'm making any sense. This is an odd dialog. If needed I can capture a
> debug log, just thought I'd report this in case anyone else
> experiences this. This is with latest orca master as of  ten minutes
> ago. It also happens with the latest stable 3.16.
> Thanks for reading
> Kendell clark
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Really ugly, but has absolutely nothing to do with Orca. I filed a bug
for you here: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752734

--joanie

On 07/22/2015 10:52 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi.
> Confirmed as described.
> 
> Alt+tab, alt+f2, alt+f1 and etc  didn't work. Even ctrl+alt+f3 normaly
> used to switch to a virtual console also didn't work.
> 
> I was forced to shut down my machine using the poweroff button.
> 
> I tested with latest orca from master.
> 
> On 07/22/2015 04:07 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> hi all
> This is a strange bug to report, and to be completely honest, I'm not
> sure if this is a gnome issue or an orca one. Steps to reproduce. Plug
> in any kind of removable media. Flash drive, external hard drive, etc.
> Open a terminal and change to any folder inside of that media. Then
> attempt to eject the media using nautilus. You'll get a dialog which
> says that the media is busy and offer to eject it anyway. This dialog
> is not accessible at all. You can't tab around it, activate the
> buttons, or get out of it unless you click one of the buttons to close
> it. Flat review works, kind of. To be honest, I'm not even sure if
> simulating a left click works, because it didn't the last time I tried
> it, but I could've been focused on the wrong area. You can review by
> line, but trying to review by word or character will skip the "eject
> anyway" button, so I can't highlight the capital e to click on. I hope
> I'm making any sense. This is an odd dialog. If needed I can capture a
> debug log, just thought I'd report this in case anyone else
> experiences this. This is with latest orca master as of  ten minutes
> ago. It also happens with the latest stable 3.16.
> Thanks for reading
> Kendell clark
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hi list,

just for information: i uploaded my PKGBUILD for gtk3 git xboard to the AUR.
this should help in testing.
If you wishing  some changes -> just send me a mail


Am 17.07.2015 um 15:58 schrieb chrys87:
> Does anyone provide a PKGBUILD for this branche?
> i would like to try it out :).
>
> Am 17.07.2015 um 13:11 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
>> Thanks for the info.
>> Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the 
>> configure command.
>> The program is working again.
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>  wrote:
>>>> Hi all.
>>>> Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git 
>>>> pull' and
>>>> after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
>>>> I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>
>>> dear José, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
>>> do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
>>> following command.
>>> git checkout gtk3
>>> Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
>>> do the entire process again with following commands
>>>
>>> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
>>> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
>>> git checkout gtk3
>>> autoreconf --install
>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
>>> make
>>> sudo make install
>>>
>>> Good luck!
>>>
>>
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sorry i just forgott the most importent information...
you can found it here:
https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/xboard-gtk3-git/

Am 22.07.2015 um 23:55 schrieb chrys87:
> hi list,
>
> just for information: i uploaded my PKGBUILD for gtk3 git xboard to 
> the AUR.
> this should help in testing.
> If you wishing  some changes -> just send me a mail
>
>
> Am 17.07.2015 um 15:58 schrieb chrys87:
>> Does anyone provide a PKGBUILD for this branche?
>> i would like to try it out :).
>>
>> Am 17.07.2015 um 13:11 schrieb José Vilmar Estácio de Souza:
>>> Thanks for the info.
>>> Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the 
>>> configure command.
>>> The program is working again.
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> Hi all.
>>>>> Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git 
>>>>> pull' and
>>>>> after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
>>>>> I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
>>>>> Thanks.
>>>>>
>>>>> -- 
>>>>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>>>>
>>>> dear José, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
>>>> do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
>>>> following command.
>>>> git checkout gtk3
>>>> Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
>>>> do the entire process again with following commands
>>>>
>>>> sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
>>>> git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
>>>> git checkout gtk3
>>>> autoreconf --install
>>>> ./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
>>>> make
>>>> sudo make install
>>>>
>>>> Good luck!
>>>>
>>>
>>
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>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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Hi all.
To reproduce:
1. Using firefox go to 
http://grails-plugins.github.io/grails-quartz/guide/configuration.html

2. After the page is loaded try to navigate using down arrow.

On my machine I can not get out of the first line .
Thanks.

-- 
José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

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Confirmed. I'll debug it tomorrow.
--joanie

On 07/22/2015 08:36 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all.
> To reproduce:
> 1. Using firefox go to
> http://grails-plugins.github.io/grails-quartz/guide/configuration.html
> 
> 2. After the page is loaded try to navigate using down arrow.
> 
> On my machine I can not get out of the first line .
> Thanks.
> 

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The menus are reading nicely with the last build or two I tried thank you.

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  B. Henry wrote:
Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 03:58:39PM -0500

> While the oldschool chess notation that was stilil very much in use when I was young spoke the piece first, e.g., knite to king's bishop 3, with the 
> more modern notation used by xboard I prefer things as they currently are spoken. This is mostlly based on how it sounds rather than any logic, but 
> hearing one letter and one number is pretty fast, so any logical advantage gained by either order is minimal.
> I for one want to hear both bits of information anyway, so I will go with what sounds best to my ear/purely asthetic...
> It would probably not be so hard to make changing this order an option, so if it is imppportant for someone to have a different order than what we have 
> now I vote for adding this option to the accessibility menu.
> Thanks.
> 
> 
> -- 
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> 
> 
>   Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 12:37:15AM +0530
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 20, 2015 at 11:28 PM, chrys87  wrote:
> > > Hi vilmar, hi list,
> > >
> > > i did a look a this great work.
> > > its great that the game is accessible for visual impaired :). great job!
> > > thanks for doing that.
> > 
> > Thanks chrys87 for trying xboard!!
> > 
> > > i found a few strange things:
> > > - I start a new party, (play vs computer, i play white on the bottom side of
> > > the field): i select the right knight. If i press the arrow up key now (to
> > > select a new field), the focus is somewhere it say 'lower as' button
> > > (german: "kleiner als" Druckknopf. after that i have to press arrow down do
> > > go back to the gamefield. now i could press again arrow up to focus the next
> > > field. ( i would like to set the new field without focusing the "<" button.
> > > (is that possible? because that makes playing the game hard)
> > 
> > The solution patch is attached with this mail. Apply the patch and
> > recompile xboard.
> > Please report feedback as soon as possible.
> > 
> > > - is it possible to change the order of that whas announced? it would be
> > > cool if first the piece on a field is spoken and after that the coordinates
> > > are spoken. ( because its more usefull, if i m on
> > > B1 and Press arrow left i know where i m :), the piece is more interesting
> > > to me )
> > 
> > Ahh dear list please let me know your opinion about this!!
> > 
> > > - a neat feature is also to announce if i unselect a piece :).
> > 
> > Yes  sure this also added in the attached patch. Thanks for your
> > valuable feedback.
> 
> > diff --git a/backend.c b/backend.c
> > index c707c76..d2341b0 100644
> > --- a/backend.c
> > +++ b/backend.c
> > @@ -7482,6 +7482,9 @@ KeyNavigation(int key)
> >  			if (fromX == x && fromY == y){
> >  				lock = 0;
> >  				MarkTargetSquares(1);
> > +				currentpiece = boards[currentMove][y][x];
> > +				sprintf(info,"%s-%d %s Unselected!",SquareToChar(x),y+1,PieceToName(currentpiece,1));
> > +				set_accessible_description(info,TRUE);
> >  				printf("\nSame Square");
> >  			}
> >  			else{					
> > diff --git a/gtk/xoptions.c b/gtk/xoptions.c
> > index 51b9781..e1df9ca 100644
> > --- a/gtk/xoptions.c
> > +++ b/gtk/xoptions.c
> > @@ -923,7 +923,7 @@ GraphEventProc(GtkWidget *widget, GdkEvent *event, gpointer gdata)
> >  	      kevent->keyval == GDK_KEY_Down ||
> >  	      kevent->keyval == GDK_KEY_Left ||
> >  	      kevent->keyval == GDK_KEY_Right))
> > -		return;
> > +		return FALSE;
> >  
> >  }
> >  
> 
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> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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Hello,
I have noticed that recently presentation of etherpad document area has 
changed with orca and Firefox.

Wit Firefox 39 and orca running try the following:
go to http://beta.etherpad.org/
start a new pad
after etherpad loads cursor should be placed within a editable document 
content. You can try typing into this document. Orca used to read fine 
in this document view when pressing arrow keys. It was possible to read 
by lines, by letters, by words.
Now the presentation is verry inconsistent and most of the times orca 
stays silent when arrowing in this document.

I would be happy if this can be improved at least to the state we had 
previously. For the time being it would be nice to know if you can 
reproduce this.

Greetings

Peter

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Hi Peter.

Confirmed. I'll take care of it. Thanks for the report!
--joanie

On 07/23/2015 02:34 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
> Hello,
> I have noticed that recently presentation of etherpad document area has
> changed with orca and Firefox.
> 
> Wit Firefox 39 and orca running try the following:
> go to http://beta.etherpad.org/
> start a new pad
> after etherpad loads cursor should be placed within a editable document
> content. You can try typing into this document. Orca used to read fine
> in this document view when pressing arrow keys. It was possible to read
> by lines, by letters, by words.
> Now the presentation is verry inconsistent and most of the times orca
> stays silent when arrowing in this document.
> 
> I would be happy if this can be improved at least to the state we had
> previously. For the time being it would be nice to know if you can
> reproduce this.
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Peter
> 
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hi again Peter.

While I still need to regression test my changes, Orca master presents
Etherpad content and changes in text as you edit. I still need to see
what we can do about announcing formatting changes.

--joanie

On 07/23/2015 02:34 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
> Hello,
> I have noticed that recently presentation of etherpad document area has
> changed with orca and Firefox.
> 
> Wit Firefox 39 and orca running try the following:
> go to http://beta.etherpad.org/
> start a new pad
> after etherpad loads cursor should be placed within a editable document
> content. You can try typing into this document. Orca used to read fine
> in this document view when pressing arrow keys. It was possible to read
> by lines, by letters, by words.
> Now the presentation is verry inconsistent and most of the times orca
> stays silent when arrowing in this document.
> 
> I would be happy if this can be improved at least to the state we had
> previously. For the time being it would be nice to know if you can
> reproduce this.
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Peter
> 
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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Hey José.

Should hopefully be fixed in master. Please verify. Thanks!
--joanie

On 07/22/2015 08:36 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all.
> To reproduce:
> 1. Using firefox go to
> http://grails-plugins.github.io/grails-quartz/guide/configuration.html
> 
> 2. After the page is loaded try to navigate using down arrow.
> 
> On my machine I can not get out of the first line .
> Thanks.
> 

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Hi Joanie.
Fixed, thanks again.

On 07/23/2015 03:35 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey José.
>
> Should hopefully be fixed in master. Please verify. Thanks!
> --joanie
>
> On 07/22/2015 08:36 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> To reproduce:
>> 1. Using firefox go to
>> http://grails-plugins.github.io/grails-quartz/guide/configuration.html
>>
>> 2. After the page is loaded try to navigate using down arrow.
>>
>> On my machine I can not get out of the first line .
>> Thanks.
>>

-- 
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I noticed when playing machine against machine, two mengine mode or similar it's called, the page up and page down keys do not work, i.e. one can't 
scroll through moves in the game in many cases. 
Sometimes after a while this feature starts to work, and once it worked from the start of the game, but in many cases this never works at all.
This is not a show stopper, but I've been playing engine against engine to see which engines are stronger and which are weaker.
When I've played a few more games this way I'll report so that others can be more informed when deciding which chess engines to install, and or which to 
use depending on their chess skills.

I hope I'm not posting something that was already mentioned in a message I missed.
Regards,
-- 
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  B. Henry wrote:
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> I reckon we should make an AUR package that pulls from git soon, now as long as the branch is not likely to be changed.
> 
> 
>    
> 
> -- 
>      B.H.
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> 
> 
>   chrys87 wrote:
> Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 03:58:03PM +0200
> 
> > Does anyone provide a PKGBUILD for this branche?
> > i would like to try it out :).
> > 
> > Am 17.07.2015 um 13:11 schrieb Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza:
> > >Thanks for the info.
> > >Seems that the problem was the lack of the --with-gtk option in the
> > >configure command.
> > >The program is working again.
> > >Thanks.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >On 07/17/2015 07:12 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> > >>On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
> > >> wrote:
> > >>>Hi all.
> > >>>Today I updated the development version of xboard through a 'git pull'
> > >>>and
> > >>>after that the xboard became inaccessible  in my arch box.
> > >>>I call the app but orca stay completely mute.
> > >>>Thanks.
> > >>>
> > >>>-- 
> > >>>Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
> > >>>
> > >>dear Jos, Recently I done some change in configure.ac. So you have to
> > >>do one more pull and make sure you are in gtk3 branch by running
> > >>following command.
> > >>git checkout gtk3
> > >>Then compile again after configuring with "--with-gtk" argument.  Or
> > >>do the entire process again with following commands
> > >>
> > >>sudo apt-get install fairymax texinfo libgtk-3-dev build-essential
> > >>git clone git://git.savannah.gnu.org/xboard.git --depth=1
> > >>git checkout gtk3
> > >>autoreconf --install
> > >>./configure --prefix=/usr --with-gtk
> > >>make
> > >>sudo make install
> > >>
> > >>Good luck!
> > >>
> > >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hello,
Thank you verry much. Now editing is working fine.
Regarding presenting formatting changes this might be difficult I am 
afraid. However currently with orca 3.16 when I move up and down in the 
etherpad document area orca automagically presents the selection from 
the style combobox. I think this is a bug or a coincidence however this 
way we can at least identify headings.

Thanks and greetings

Peter

On 23.07.2015 at 18:15 Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi again Peter.
>
> While I still need to regression test my changes, Orca master presents
> Etherpad content and changes in text as you edit. I still need to see
> what we can do about announcing formatting changes.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 07/23/2015 02:34 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have noticed that recently presentation of etherpad document area has
>> changed with orca and Firefox.
>>
>> Wit Firefox 39 and orca running try the following:
>> go to http://beta.etherpad.org/
>> start a new pad
>> after etherpad loads cursor should be placed within a editable document
>> content. You can try typing into this document. Orca used to read fine
>> in this document view when pressing arrow keys. It was possible to read
>> by lines, by letters, by words.
>> Now the presentation is verry inconsistent and most of the times orca
>> stays silent when arrowing in this document.
>>
>> I would be happy if this can be improved at least to the state we had
>> previously. For the time being it would be nice to know if you can
>> reproduce this.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
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>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hi, folks,

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I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is =
more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terribly sorry about =
the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how =
accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is =
that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last time =
I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t =
think anyone used it much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.  Chromevox =
was there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.  =
Here=E2=80=99s the link.  I hope you participate so that we actually =
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http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/

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by Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the =
internet is.=C2=A0 What bugs me is that they mention nearly all screen =
readers except for Orca.=C2=A0 Last time I mentioned it to them, they =
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My point precisely.  I did the very same thing!  Unless we make it our =
business to ensure these people know we are here and want to be =
included, they will keep leaving us out of the equation when they do=20
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I wanted to reference Orca.

Alex M


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reader users

They continue to exclude Orca from their screen reader list, or at least =
that was the case when I did this survey a couple of weeks ago.  My =
suggestion is that everyone mention Orca in the comments, and request =
that it be included. That is what I did.

Fernando


On 07/24/2015 11:17 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
>
> Hi, folks,
>
> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is=20
> more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terribly sorry about =
the=20
> cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how=20
> accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is =

> that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last=20
> time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they =
didn=E2=80=99t=20
> think anyone used it much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it. =
Chromevox was=20
> there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> Here=E2=80=99s the link.  I hope you participate so that we actually =
appear on=20
> their radar:
>
> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>
> Best regards,
>
> Alex M
>
> Ps  Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at=20
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out=20
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Alex, Thanks. Just sent mine in.

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> My point precisely.  I did the very same thing!  Unless we make it our business to ensure these people know we are here and want to be included, they will keep leaving us out of the equation when they do 
> their web accessibility initiatives.  I kept having to mark OTHER when  I wanted to reference Orca.
> 
> Alex M
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Fernando Botelho [mailto:fhfbotelho@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Fernando Botelho
> Sent: Friday, July 24, 2015 9:27 AM
> To: Alex Midence
> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen reader users
> 
> They continue to exclude Orca from their screen reader list, or at least that was the case when I did this survey a couple of weeks ago.  My suggestion is that everyone mention Orca in the comments, and request that it be included. That is what I did.
> 
> Fernando
> 
> 
> On 07/24/2015 11:17 AM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >
> > Hi, folks,
> >
> > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is 
> > more represented in these things so, I’m terribly sorry about the 
> > cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how 
> > accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is 
> > that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last 
> > time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn’t 
> > think anyone used it much so, they didn’t include it. Chromevox was 
> > there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> > Here’s the link.  I hope you participate so that we actually appear on 
> > their radar:
> >
> > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Alex M
> >
> > Ps  Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease!
> >
> >
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at 
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out 
> > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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It's a combo box.  You have to do an alt down arrow to let you arrow =
down.  I did it during a break here at work and used my Windows machine =
so can't speak to the Orca experience on the site.  (Guess I totally =
cheated there without meaning to.)  I am flabbergasted to think that =
Webaim, of all places, might have a form with accessibility issues which =
they are using to ask people how accessible the web is.  Try it again =
and hit alt down arrow for the region combo box and turn browse mode on =
so you can find the radio buttons in the primary screen reader question. =
 The last one on the list is the "other" option. =20

Alex M



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I couldn't even take the survey.  On the very first question, it would =
not allow me to select my region, North America, but insisted on Africa. =

  I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out =
how to get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place =
to write in Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?

Al

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> Alex, Thanks. Just sent mine in.
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I got the North America and Other items selected. Since I could not get
find a place to write in Orca, I typed it into the comments.  Also
mentioned issues with the survey itself.  I assume that my trouble
writing in Orca was due to my having most JavaScript  blocked. /this is
another issue for another list(s).


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>   I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out how to get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place to write in Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?

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What version of the browser and Orca were you using to fill out the
survey? I used Orca master and Firefox 39.0 here, and had no trouble at
all answering every question. I was able to select North America just
by pressing the down arrow key, at wilch point I tabbed off the box and
North America was set as my choice. I also had no trouble selecting
other for my screen readers, both in the initial desktop/laptop
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as well as for mobile devices.
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I couldn't even take the survey.  On the very first question, it would 
not allow me to select my region, North America, but insisted on Africa. 
  I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out 
how to get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place 
to write in Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?

Al

On 7/24/2015 2:14 PM, Chris Watson wrote:
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> Alex, Thanks. Just sent mine in.
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It always worked fine for me in the past.


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  Kyle wrote:
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> What version of the browser and Orca were you using to fill out the
> survey? I used Orca master and Firefox 39.0 here, and had no trouble at
> all answering every question. I was able to select North America just
> by pressing the down arrow key, at wilch point I tabbed off the box and
> North America was set as my choice. I also had no trouble selecting
> other for my screen readers, both in the initial desktop/laptop
> dropdown box and when ticking the checkboxes for desktops and laptops
> as well as for mobile devices.
> _______________________________________________
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Don't need Java script. I was even able to fill out the form using lynx. Where 
it says "No Response", just hit  and the choices pop up. The choice of 
Orca in the comments area.
-- 
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 03:42:54PM -0400, Dave Hunt wrote:
> I got the North America and Other items selected. Since I could not get
> find a place to write in Orca, I typed it into the comments.  Also
> mentioned issues with the survey itself.  I assume that my trouble
> writing in Orca was due to my having most JavaScript  blocked. /this is
> another issue for another list(s).
> 
> 
>  On 07/24/2015 03:35 PM, Alex Midence wrote:
> >   I did a little better on the Windows machine, but didn't figure out how to get "other" for screen reader selected, never mind find a place to write in Orca.  Did anybody else have similar trouble?
> 
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hi all
Ever since the last commit, when echo typed characters is on, orca now
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hi
Please disregard this. It was my own stupidity. I was fiddling around
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M5the language to UK. It works fine now. Sigh
Thanks
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> hi all Ever since the last commit, when echo typed characters is
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No problems here with Orca 3.16.2 and firefox 39.0 for filling the form.
Milton

Op 24-07-15 om 21:51 schreef Kyle:
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> survey? I used Orca master and Firefox 39.0 here, and had no trouble at
> all answering every question. I was able to select North America just
> by pressing the down arrow key, at wilch point I tabbed off the box and
> North America was set as my choice. I also had no trouble selecting
> other for my screen readers, both in the initial desktop/laptop
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Hi Joanie and all.
I am José replying from another e-mail.

While testing the Etherpad , I noticed that when I press the backspace 
key , nothing is announced by the orca, although the character before 
the cursor is removed.


On 07/23/2015 01:15 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hi again Peter.
>
> While I still need to regression test my changes, Orca master presents
> Etherpad content and changes in text as you edit. I still need to see
> what we can do about announcing formatting changes.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 07/23/2015 02:34 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I have noticed that recently presentation of etherpad document area has
>> changed with orca and Firefox.
>>
>> Wit Firefox 39 and orca running try the following:
>> go to http://beta.etherpad.org/
>> start a new pad
>> after etherpad loads cursor should be placed within a editable document
>> content. You can try typing into this document. Orca used to read fine
>> in this document view when pressing arrow keys. It was possible to read
>> by lines, by letters, by words.
>> Now the presentation is verry inconsistent and most of the times orca
>> stays silent when arrowing in this document.
>>
>> I would be happy if this can be improved at least to the state we had
>> previously. For the time being it would be nice to know if you can
>> reproduce this.
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
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Hey José.

Confirmed. It may not be a simple fix given what's being exposed to us,
but I'll see what I can do.

Thanks!
--joanie

On 07/25/2015 11:31 AM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi Joanie and all.
> I am José replying from another e-mail.
> 
> While testing the Etherpad , I noticed that when I press the backspace
> key , nothing is announced by the orca, although the character before
> the cursor is removed.
> 
> 
> On 07/23/2015 01:15 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>> Hi again Peter.
>>
>> While I still need to regression test my changes, Orca master presents
>> Etherpad content and changes in text as you edit. I still need to see
>> what we can do about announcing formatting changes.
>>
>> --joanie
>>
>> On 07/23/2015 02:34 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>>> Hello,
>>> I have noticed that recently presentation of etherpad document area has
>>> changed with orca and Firefox.
>>>
>>> Wit Firefox 39 and orca running try the following:
>>> go to http://beta.etherpad.org/
>>> start a new pad
>>> after etherpad loads cursor should be placed within a editable document
>>> content. You can try typing into this document. Orca used to read fine
>>> in this document view when pressing arrow keys. It was possible to read
>>> by lines, by letters, by words.
>>> Now the presentation is verry inconsistent and most of the times orca
>>> stays silent when arrowing in this document.
>>>
>>> I would be happy if this can be improved at least to the state we had
>>> previously. For the time being it would be nice to know if you can
>>> reproduce this.
>>>
>>> Greetings
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
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On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:11 PM, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza
 wrote:
> Hi all.
> Probably not the correct list to place this message, but ...
> I don't kno to play chess but now that xboard is accessible i'll try to
> learn!
>
> While testing the program I found a possible bug when using the alt+x
> combination, used to say the machine move.
>
> To reproduce try the following steps:
> 1. Type a move like a2a3.
> 2. Wait until orca announce the move of the machine.
> 3. Press alt+x and observe that orca repeats correctly the move execute b=
y
> the machine.
> 4. Type a wrong move like a3a5. Orca announce that the move could not be
> executed.
> 5. Press alt+x again.
>
> Instead of announce the move executed in the step 2, orca reads the messa=
ge
> caused by the step 4.
>
> --
> Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de Souza

Dear Vilmar, Thanks for reporting this bug. Please apply the patch
attached and compile it again.  Expecting an early feedback Nalin.

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Hi Nalin.
The patch fixed the reported problem.
Thanks.

On 07/26/2015 08:39 AM, Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2015 at 5:11 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>  wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Probably not the correct list to place this message, but ...
>> I don't kno to play chess but now that xboard is accessible i'll try to
>> learn!
>>
>> While testing the program I found a possible bug when using the alt+x
>> combination, used to say the machine move.
>>
>> To reproduce try the following steps:
>> 1. Type a move like a2a3.
>> 2. Wait until orca announce the move of the machine.
>> 3. Press alt+x and observe that orca repeats correctly the move execute by
>> the machine.
>> 4. Type a wrong move like a3a5. Orca announce that the move could not be
>> executed.
>> 5. Press alt+x again.
>>
>> Instead of announce the move executed in the step 2, orca reads the message
>> caused by the step 4.
>>
>> --
>> José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
> Dear Vilmar, Thanks for reporting this bug. Please apply the patch
> attached and compile it again.  Expecting an early feedback Nalin.
>

-- 
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is more represented in these things so, I’m terribly sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn’t think anyone used it much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does. 

> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/

Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096

It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
machine is often an automatic default.

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hmmm.
Fewer usrs? Nah.
Small community, definitely.

As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,) I wonder
the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it doesn't get enough
press.
Same with Supernova and Cobra on Windows for that matter...



On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory  wrote=
:

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is
> more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terribly sorry about the=
 cross
> posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how accessible
> screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is that they
> mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned
> it to them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think anyone use=
d it much
> so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.  Chromevox was there though which I w=
ould argue
> has fewer users than Orca does.
>
> > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>
> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>
> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
> machine is often an automatic default.
>
> _mallory
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hmmm.
Fewer usrs? Nah.
Small community, defi=
nitely.

As for it not being on the survey, (which =
i think is closed now,) I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list,=
 is because it doesn't get enough press.
Same with Supernova =
and Cobra on Windows for that matter...


=


On Mon, Jul=
 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl> wrote:
On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:1=
7:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is =
more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terribly sorry about the c=
ross posting.=C2=A0 This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how ac=
cessible screen reader users think the internet is.=C2=A0 What bugs me is t=
hat they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.=C2=A0 Last time=
 I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think=
 anyone used it much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.=C2=A0 Chromevox wa=
s there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.



> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/<=
/a>



Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:

https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/=
618529195761668096



It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in

countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the

WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows

machine is often an automatic default.



_mallory

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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.

The manual is at http://library.=
gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
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Hi all.
orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially in the south.
And I think this is deliberate social engineering by some exploitative 
proprietary mafia which wants people to have another reason not to use a 
free OS.
Given that NVDA gets a mention at all the places, it being open source, 
then why not Orca?
The reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other 
proprietary software with NVDA right?
But Linux is free as in freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost.
So they want to defeate the very social purpose.
Happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
> hmmm.
> Fewer usrs? Nah.
> Small community, definitely.
>
> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,) I 
> wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it doesn't 
> get enough press.
> Same with Supernova and Cobra on Windows for that matter...
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory  > wrote:
>
>     On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>     > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
>     community is more represented in these things so, Im terribly
>     sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by
>     Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the
>     internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all screen
>     readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to them, they
>     said it was because they didnt think anyone used it much so, they
>     didnt include it.  Chromevox was there though which I would argue
>     has fewer users than Orca does.
>
>     > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>
>     Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
>     https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>
>     It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
>     countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
>     WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
>     machine is often an automatic default.
>
>     _mallory
>     _______________________________________________
>     orca-list mailing list
>     orca-list@gnome.org 
>     https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>     Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>     The manual is at
>     http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>     The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>     Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>     Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
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> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp


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    Hi all.

    orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially in the
    south.

    And I think this is deliberate social engineering by some
    exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have another
    reason not to use a free OS.

    Given that NVDA gets a mention at all the places, it being open
    source, then why not Orca?

    The reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other
    proprietary software with NVDA right?

    But Linux is free as in freedom and to a great extent as in free of
    cost.

    So they want to defeate the very social purpose.

    Happy hacking.

    Krishnakant.

    

    

    
On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM,
      Trenton Matthews wrote:

    

    

      
hmmm.
        
Fewer usrs? Nah.

        
Small community, definitely.

        


        

        
As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed
          now,) I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is
          because it doesn't get enough press.

        
Same with Supernova and Cobra on Windows for that matter...

        


        

        


        

      

      


        
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM,
          _mallory <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>
          wrote:

          
On Fri,
            Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:

            > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the
            Orca community is more represented in these things so, Im
            terribly sorry about the cross posting. This is a survey
            conducted by Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader
            users think the internet is. What bugs me is that they
            mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca. Last
            time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they
            didnt think anyone used it much so, they didnt include
            it. Chromevox was there though which I would argue has
            fewer users than Orca does.

            

            > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/

            

            Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:

            https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096

            

            It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented
            in

            countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the

            WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a
            Windows

            machine is often an automatic default.

            

            _mallory

            _______________________________________________

            orca-list mailing list

            orca-list@gnome.org

            https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

            Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more
            information on Orca.

            The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

            The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

            Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org

            Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

        

        

      

      

      

      

      
_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

    

    

  


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hi
This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the
talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific
reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.
I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently
forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,
but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot to
make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
Thanks
Kendell clark


kk wrote:
> 
> Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially
> in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by
> some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
> another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention
> at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
> reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other 
> proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
> freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to
> defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
> 
> 
> On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
>> hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
>> 
>> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)
>> I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it
>> doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
>> Windows for that matter...
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
>> >
>> wrote:
>> 
>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
>> community is more represented in these things so, I’m terribly 
>> sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by 
>> Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the 
>> internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
>> screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to
>> them, they said it was because they didn’t think anyone used it
>> much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there though
>> which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
>> 
>>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>> 
>> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users: 
>> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>> 
>> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in 
>> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the 
>> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows 
>> machine is often an automatic default.
>> 
>> _mallory _______________________________________________ 
>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>  
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>> manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>
>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>> list orca-list@gnome.org 
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>> manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>
>> 
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>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
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> 
> 
> 
> 
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In my  experience, and talking online contacts here as I've never traveled farther south than Guadamala, nor been west of Ontario in Ca., Linux is not 
markedly more popular  in developing countries, at least amoung blind users than in the U.S., and where it would gai would be in apple market share, not 
taking away from windows. PPL mostly buy beg, borrow, or steal pirated windows and pirated jaws. 
Chromvox is used on four platforms, and with chromebooks having at least the market share of linux, (not talking servers of course, and not including 
chromeOS as Linux although of course it is), I would disagree that it's likely that more people use Orca than cromevo. 
I use cromevox on my Linux boxes as no  GUI browser besides chrome/chromevox give me access to any content that firefox does not. All the other GUI 
alternatives either work less well in general than firefox, and by a good bit across the board, or at best do not work on some sites that firefox does 
work on while not working anywhere that firefox does not. This may not be true on every possible webpage, but I've stopped testing any GUI LInux 
browsers until I hear of something interesting. Last one I tried was midori.
    

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  _mallory wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 08:09:57AM +0200

> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is more represented in these things so, I’m terribly sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn’t think anyone used it much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does. 
> 
> > http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> 
> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
> 
> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
> machine is often an automatic default.
> 
> _mallory
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True, wonder how those guys keep going with their market share, guess you don't need to sell so many copies  per year if you don't waste any money on a 
sales and support staff, and the folks that do super nova do have their fingers in other pies, not sure about cobra. 


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  Trenton Matthews wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 01:33:16AM -0600

>    hmmm.
>    Fewer usrs? Nah.
>    Small community, definitely.
>    As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,) I wonder
>    the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it doesn't get enough
>    press.
>    Same with Supernova and Cobra on Windows for that matter...
>    On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory <[1]stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>
>    wrote:
> 
>      On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>      > I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca community is
>      more represented in these things so, I’m terribly sorry about the cross
>      posting.  This is a survey conducted by Webaim to find out how
>      accessible screen reader users think the internet is.  What bugs me is
>      that they mention nearly all screen readers except for Orca.  Last time
>      I mentioned it to them, they said it was because they didn’t think
>      anyone used it much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there
>      though which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> 
>      > [2]http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> 
>      Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
>      [3]https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
> 
>      It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
>      countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
>      WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
>      machine is often an automatic default.
> 
>      _mallory
>      _______________________________________________
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>      [4]orca-list@gnome.org
>      [5]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>      Visit [6]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>      The manual is at
>      [7]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>      The FAQ is at [8]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>      Log bugs and feature requests at [9]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>      Find out how to help at [10]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
> References
> 
>    Visible links
>    1. mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl
>    2. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>    3. https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>    4. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>    5. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>    6. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>    7. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>    8. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>    9. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   10. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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I doubt very much the authors of this survey are part of some world wide 
conspiracy against Orca or open source software. I think it's much more 
likely that it was just over looked or that Linux/Orca just isn't used 
by enough people, at least with some actual statistics, to merit 
inclusion in this list. ChromeVox is new, and is the screen reder for 
ChromeOS and ChromeBooks, so I'm not surprised it's on the list, at 
least for now. I'd suggest doing what I did and including Orca on the 
survey yourself as an other or in the write in comments.

On 07/27/2015 07:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:
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> hi
> This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the
> talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
> mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
> qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific
> reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.
> I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
> this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently
> forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,
> but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot to
> make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> kk wrote:
>>
>> Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially
>> in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by
>> some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
>> another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention
>> at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
>> reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other
>> proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
>> freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to
>> defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>
>>
>> On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
>>> hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
>>>
>>> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)
>>> I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it
>>> doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
>>> Windows for that matter...
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
>>> >
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
>>> community is more represented in these things so, I’m terribly
>>> sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by
>>> Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the
>>> internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
>>> screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to
>>> them, they said it was because they didn’t think anyone used it
>>> much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there though
>>> which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
>>>
>>>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>>>
>>> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
>>> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>>>
>>> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
>>> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
>>> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
>>> machine is often an automatic default.
>>>
>>> _mallory _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>> 
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>> manual is at
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>
>>>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>> manual is at
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>
>>>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>> is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>
>>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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The survey is out of a university, not part of a larger gov plot....grin.
Do not forget the populasrity of chromebooks over the last year or almost 2 now I guess it is. While you can argue a bit about whether chromeOS is a 
niche opperating system perhaps, (I could not argue one way or another having no eperience), ichromevox is the screenreader for more than chrome as we 
know it on Linux or that Microsoft OS. 
The survey is more about web accessibility if I remember correctly than general purpose computer accessibility, so talking a browser specific 
screenreader does make sense in that context. 
Lots of the younger blind people coming up are dumbed down in to us9ing web apps when they are not necesary for school or work. Not knocking the current 
batch of kids, each generation has its own "blind spots" if you will pardon the poor pun.


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  kendell clark wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 07:18:18AM -0500

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> hi
> This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the
> talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
> mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
> qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific
> reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.
> I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
> this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently
> forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,
> but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot to
> make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
> 
> 
> kk wrote:
> > 
> > Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially
> > in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by
> > some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
> > another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention
> > at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
> > reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other 
> > proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
> > freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to
> > defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
> > 
> > 
> > On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
> >> hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
> >> 
> >> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)
> >> I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it
> >> doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
> >> Windows for that matter...
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
> >> >
> >> wrote:
> >> 
> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> >>> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
> >> community is more represented in these things so, I’m terribly 
> >> sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by 
> >> Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the 
> >> internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
> >> screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to
> >> them, they said it was because they didn’t think anyone used it
> >> much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there though
> >> which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> >> 
> >>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> >> 
> >> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users: 
> >> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
> >> 
> >> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in 
> >> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the 
> >> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows 
> >> machine is often an automatic default.
> >> 
> >> _mallory _______________________________________________ 
> >> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>  
> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> >> manual is at 
> >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>
> >> 
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> >> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> >> list orca-list@gnome.org 
> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> >> manual is at 
> >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>
> >> 
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> >> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> > list orca-list@gnome.org 
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
> > is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >
> > 
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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Ah, i would not have a chromebook, if I didn't adore this thing..


In the education market, people been gobbling up these things!

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:04 AM, B. Henry  wrote:

> The survey is out of a university, not part of a larger gov plot....grin.
> Do not forget the populasrity of chromebooks over the last year or almost
> 2 now I guess it is. While you can argue a bit about whether chromeOS is =
a
> niche opperating system perhaps, (I could not argue one way or another
> having no eperience), ichromevox is the screenreader for more than chrome
> as we
> know it on Linux or that Microsoft OS.
> The survey is more about web accessibility if I remember correctly than
> general purpose computer accessibility, so talking a browser specific
> screenreader does make sense in that context.
> Lots of the younger blind people coming up are dumbed down in to us9ing
> web apps when they are not necesary for school or work. Not knocking the
> current
> batch of kids, each generation has its own "blind spots" if you will
> pardon the poor pun.
>
>
> --
>      B.H.
>    Registerd Linux User 521886
>
>
>   kendell clark wrote:
> Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 07:18:18AM -0500
>
> > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> > Hash: SHA512
> >
> > hi
> > This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the
> > talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
> > mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
> > qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific
> > reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.
> > I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
> > this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently
> > forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,
> > but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot to
> > make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
> > Thanks
> > Kendell clark
> >
> >
> > kk wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially
> > > in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by
> > > some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
> > > another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention
> > > at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
> > > reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other
> > > proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
> > > freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to
> > > defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
> > >> hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
> > >>
> > >> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)
> > >> I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it
> > >> doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
> > >> Windows for that matter...
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
> > >> >
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> > >>> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
> > >> community is more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terrib=
ly
> > >> sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by
> > >> Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the
> > >> internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
> > >> screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to
> > >> them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think anyone used=
 it
> > >> much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.  Chromevox was there though
> > >> which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> > >>
> > >>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> > >>
> > >> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
> > >> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
> > >>
> > >> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
> > >> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
> > >> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
> > >> machine is often an automatic default.
> > >>
> > >> _mallory _______________________________________________
> > >> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> > >> 
> > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> > >> manual is at
> > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> > >> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> > >> list orca-list@gnome.org
> > >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> > >> manual is at
> > >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > >>
> > >>
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> > >> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> > > list orca-list@gnome.org
> > > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
> > > is at
> > > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > >
> > >
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> > > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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> > orca-list mailing list
> > orca-list@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> > The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> > The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> > Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Ah, i would not have a chromebook, if I didn't adore t=
his thing..


In the education market, peop=
le been gobbling up these things!
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:04 AM, B. Henry <=
burt1iband@gmail.com> wrote:




--

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0B.H.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0Registerd Linux User 521886





=C2=A0 kendell clark wrote:

Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 07:18:18AM -0500




> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

> Hash: SHA512

>

> hi

> This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the

> talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get=
 a

> mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely

> qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific=


> reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.=


> I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
> this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently=


> forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a =
lot,

> but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some p=
lot to

> make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
> Thanks

> Kendell clark

>

>

> kk wrote:

> >

> > Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially=


> > in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering b=
y

> > some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
> > another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a menti=
on

> > at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
> > reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other
> > proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in

> > freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to=


> > defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.

> >

> >

> > On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:

> >> hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.

> >>

> >> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed n=
ow,)

> >> I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is becaus=
e it

> >> doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra o=
n

> >> Windows for that matter...

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory


> >> <s=
tommepoes@stommepoes.nl <mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>>

> >> wrote:

> >>

> >> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:=


> >>> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca<=
br>
> >> community is more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m=
 terribly

> >> sorry about the cross posting.=C2=A0 This is a survey conduct=
ed by

> >> Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think t=
he

> >> internet is.=C2=A0 What bugs me is that they mention nearly a=
ll

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t to

> >> them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think anyo=
ne used it

> >> much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.=C2=A0 Chromevox was =
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> >> which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.

> >>

> >>> http://webaim.org/projects/screenre=
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> >>

> >> Jared even made a snarky comment abou=
t Orca users:

> >> https://twitter.com/jared_w=
_smith/status/618529195761668096

> >>

> >> It would be nice to know if Orca is m=
ore heavily represented in

> >> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure =
the

> >> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Window=
s

> >> machine is often an automatic default.

> >>

> >> _mallory _______________________________________________

> >> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org

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nome.org>

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nformation on Orca. The

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> >> http://library.gno=
me.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

> >>

> >>

> The FAQ is at http:/=
/live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions

> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome=
.org Find

> >> out how to help at http://live.=
gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> _____________________________________=
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> >> list orca-list@gnome.o=
rg

> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman=
/listinfo/orca-list Visit

> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more i=
nformation on Orca. The

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> >> http://library.gno=
me.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

> >>

> >>

> The FAQ is at http:/=
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> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome=
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> >> out how to help at http://live.=
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> >

> >

> >

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> The FAQ is at http:/=
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>
> I doubt very much the authors of this survey are part of some world wide
> conspiracy against Orca or open source software.


Me too but with that said there are some situations where
industry/institutions have reason to endorse one product over another. DSA
assessment centres in the UK are a bit "unmotivated" by free software
alternatives, for example. It happens...

In any case, you certainly have a point in that products like Orca do not
always come to the attention of those who may benefit from learning about
it so I don't see the harm in anyone getting in touch with an organisation
like WebAim to let them know what's great about Orca (or with filling out
their survey either - as long as they are willing to share the findings by
publishing them with everyone else in an accessible way) but good in that
idea.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that it's great to see people invested in
getting the word out there in any shape or form, really. I hope people
continue to bring great ideas like this up! The more people helping to
promote GNOME as a credible accessible alternative to proprietary
offerings, the better!

Thanks,

Magdalen



> I think it's much more likely that it was just over looked or that
> Linux/Orca just isn't used by enough people, at least with some actual
> statistics, to merit inclusion in this list. ChromeVox is new, and is the
> screen reder for ChromeOS and ChromeBooks, so I'm not surprised it's on t=
he
> list, at least for now. I'd suggest doing what I did and including Orca o=
n
> the survey yourself as an other or in the write in comments.
>
>
> On 07/27/2015 07:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:
>
>> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
>> Hash: SHA512
>>
>> hi
>> This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the
>> talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
>> mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
>> qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific
>> reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.
>> I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
>> this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently
>> forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,
>> but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot to
>> make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
>> Thanks
>> Kendell clark
>>
>>
>> kk wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially
>>> in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by
>>> some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
>>> another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention
>>> at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
>>> reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other
>>> proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
>>> freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to
>>> defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
>>>
>>>> hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
>>>>
>>>> As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)
>>>> I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it
>>>> doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
>>>> Windows for that matter...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
>>>> >
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
>>>>>
>>>> community is more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terribly
>>>> sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by
>>>> Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the
>>>> internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
>>>> screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to
>>>> them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think anyone used i=
t
>>>> much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.  Chromevox was there though
>>>> which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
>>>>
>>>>  http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
>>>> https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>>>>
>>>> It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
>>>> countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
>>>> WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
>>>> machine is often an automatic default.
>>>>
>>>> _mallory _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> 
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>>> manual is at
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>>> manual is at
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>  The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
>>> is at
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>
>>>
>>>  The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
>>
> --
> Christopher (CJ)
> chaltain at Gmail
> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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I doubt very much the authors of this sur=
vey are part of some world wide conspiracy against Orca or open source soft=
ware.

Me too but with that said there are some situations where =
industry/institutions have reason to endorse one product over another. DSA =
assessment centres in the UK are a bit "unmotivated" by free soft=
ware alternatives, for example. It happens...

In a=
ny case, you certainly have a point in that products like Orca do not alway=
s come to the attention of those who may benefit from learning about it so =
I don't see the harm in anyone getting in touch with an organisation li=
ke WebAim to let them know what's great about Orca (or with filling out=
 their survey either - as long as they are willing to share the findings by=
 publishing them with everyone else in an accessible way) but good in that =
idea.

Anyway, I just wanted to say that it's g=
reat to see people invested in getting the word out there in any shape or f=
orm, really. I hope people continue to bring great ideas like this up! The =
more people helping to promote GNOME as a credible accessible alternative t=
o proprietary offerings, the better!

Thanks,
=


Magdalen

=C2=A0
 I think it's much more likely that it was just o=
ver looked or that Linux/Orca just isn't used by enough people, at leas=
t with some actual statistics, to merit inclusion in this list. ChromeVox i=
s new, and is the screen reder for ChromeOS and ChromeBooks, so I'm not=
 surprised it's on the list, at least for now. I'd suggest doing wh=
at I did and including Orca on the survey yourself as an other or in the wr=
ite in comments.




On 07/27/2015 07:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:



-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----

Hash: SHA512



hi

This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the

talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely

qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific

reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.

I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which

this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently

forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,<=
br>
but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot t=
o

make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.

Thanks

Kendell clark





kk wrote:





Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially

in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by

some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have

another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention

at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The

reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other

proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in

freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to

defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.





On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:



hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.



As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)

I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it

doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on

Windows for that matter...







On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory

<stommepoe=
s@stommepoes.nl <mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>>

wrote:



On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:



I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca



community is more represented in these things so, I=E2=80=99m terribly

sorry about the cross posting.=C2=A0 This is a survey conducted by

Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the

internet is.=C2=A0 What bugs me is that they mention nearly all

screen readers except for Orca.=C2=A0 Last time I mentioned it to

them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think anyone used it

much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.=C2=A0 Chromevox was there though
which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.





http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/




Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:

https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/=
status/618529195761668096



It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in

countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the

WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows

machine is often an automatic default.



_mallory _______________________________________________

orca-list mailing list orca-list@gnome.org

<mailto:orca-li=
st@gnome.org>

https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit

http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The

manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/g=
nome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html







The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions



Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find

out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp









_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing

list orca-list@gno=
me.org

https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit

http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The

manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/g=
nome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html







The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions



Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find

out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp











_______________________________________________ orca-list mailing

list orca-list@gno=
me.org

https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit

http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
is at

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It is counter productive to not participate.
If you have not ever done this survey perhaps you are unaware that in all cases I remember there is an other option where you can write in orca. Perhaps 
my memory is not 100% correct, and there are questions where this is not ture, but again, I don't remember not being able to write in Orca, and speakup. 
I mention both as I use both, and i check NVDA or listed alternatives where appropriate. I  think there are questions where you are asked to put 
screenreaders in ordr of which you use most, but may be confusing this with other surveys. I'm really sory I didi not do this year's survey now that 
this has become such a topic of interest here as having more people mentioning Orca and friendswould likely have more impact.
I don't remember if write ins such as Orca are mentioned by name in the published results or not, or if "other" is just shown as such lumpiing all 
write-ins together. 
I seem to recall that there is an overview or results as well as a detailed results presentation. They also showed trends comparing where they compared 
current results to past years with some analysis.     

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  Magdalen Berns wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 05:28:01PM +0100

>      I doubt very much the authors of this survey are part of some world wide
>      conspiracy against Orca or open source software.
> 
>    Me too but with that said there are some situations where
>    industry/institutions have reason to endorse one product over another. DSA
>    assessment centres in the UK are a bit "unmotivated" by free software
>    alternatives, for example. It happens...
>    In any case, you certainly have a point in that products like Orca do not
>    always come to the attention of those who may benefit from learning about
>    it so I don't see the harm in anyone getting in touch with an organisation
>    like WebAim to let them know what's great about Orca (or with filling out
>    their survey either - as long as they are willing to share the findings by
>    publishing them with everyone else in an accessible way) but good in that
>    idea.
>    Anyway, I just wanted to say that it's great to see people invested in
>    getting the word out there in any shape or form, really. I hope people
>    continue to bring great ideas like this up! The more people helping to
>    promote GNOME as a credible accessible alternative to proprietary
>    offerings, the better!
>    Thanks,
>    Magdalen
>     
> 
>      I think it's much more likely that it was just over looked or that
>      Linux/Orca just isn't used by enough people, at least with some actual
>      statistics, to merit inclusion in this list. ChromeVox is new, and is
>      the screen reder for ChromeOS and ChromeBooks, so I'm not surprised it's
>      on the list, at least for now. I'd suggest doing what I did and
>      including Orca on the survey yourself as an other or in the write in
>      comments.
> 
>      On 07/27/2015 07:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:
> 
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>        hi
>        This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on the
>        talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't get a
>        mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
>        qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application specific
>        reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I guess.
>        I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of which
>        this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, conveniently
>        forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this a lot,
>        but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some plot to
>        make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no idea.
>        Thanks
>        Kendell clark
> 
>        kk wrote:
> 
>          Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, specially
>          in the south. And I think this is deliberate social engineering by
>          some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to have
>          another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a mention
>          at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? The
>          reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and other
>          proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
>          freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they want to
>          defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
> 
>          On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
> 
>            hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
> 
>            As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed now,)
>            I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because it
>            doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
>            Windows for that matter...
> 
>            On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
>            <[1]stommepoes@stommepoes.nl >
>            wrote:
> 
>            On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> 
>              I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
> 
>            community is more represented in these things so, I’m terribly
>            sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted by
>            Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think the
>            internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
>            screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it to
>            them, they said it was because they didn’t think anyone used it
>            much so, they didn’t include it.  Chromevox was there though
>            which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
> 
>              [3]http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
> 
>            Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
>            [4]https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
> 
>            It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily represented in
>            countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure the
>            WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a Windows
>            machine is often an automatic default.
> 
>            _mallory _______________________________________________
>            orca-list mailing list [5]orca-list@gnome.org
>            
>            [7]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>            [8]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>            manual is at
>            [9]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> 
>        The FAQ is at [10]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> 
>            Log bugs and feature requests at [11]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>            Find
>            out how to help at [12]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
>            _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>            list [13]orca-list@gnome.org
>            [14]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>            [15]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>            manual is at
>            [16]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> 
>        The FAQ is at [17]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> 
>            Log bugs and feature requests at [18]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>            Find
>            out how to help at [19]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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>          _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>          list [20]orca-list@gnome.org
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>          manual
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>          [23]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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>        The FAQ is at [24]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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>        The manual is at
>        [30]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>        The FAQ is at [31]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>        Log bugs and feature requests at [32]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>        Find out how to help at [33]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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>      --
>      Christopher (CJ)
>      chaltain at Gmail
>      _______________________________________________
>      orca-list mailing list
>      [34]orca-list@gnome.org
>      [35]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>      Visit [36]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>      The manual is at
>      [37]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>      The FAQ is at [38]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>      Log bugs and feature requests at [39]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>      Find out how to help at [40]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
> References
> 
>    Visible links
>    1. mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl
>    2. mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl
>    3. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>    4. https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>    5. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>    6. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>    7. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>    8. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>    9. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   10. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   11. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   12. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   13. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   14. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   15. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   16. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   17. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   18. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   19. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   20. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   21. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   22. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   23. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   24. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   25. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   26. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   27. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   28. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   29. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   30. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   31. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   32. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   33. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   34. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   35. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   36. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   37. http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   38. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   39. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   40. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> _______________________________________________
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> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Thanks to all who took part in the survey while it was open.  Yes, all =
you have to do to tell them you use Orca is mark Other where necessary =
and tell them you use it in the comments section.  I only wish I'd =
gotten the word out sooner.  For the record, I for one do not think the =
exclusion of Orca was necessarily deliberate and has absolutely nothing =
to do with the financial interests of any screen reader vendors or =
producers of proprietary operating systems.  Otherwise, none of the =
Android free screen readers would've been mentioned.  I think it has =
more to do with a lack of awareness.  They simply have no idea how many =
of us there are out there whose use Orca on a Linux machine.  I wanted =
to give some of us a chance to be heard from.  I certainly did not =
intend to pander to the conspiracy theorists out there who seem to find =
some sinister intent in all of this.  I frankly find such thinking quite =
ridiculous and regret giving anyone who harbors such opinions fodder for =
such things.  The Floss a11y community stands to gain far more by polite =
interaction with such organizations working under the assumption of good =
intent without sufficient data than we would if we approach them like =
indignant crusaders going after callous big business.   I am convinced =
that such an approach would be a massive turnoff and actually close =
doors for us rather than open them.

Best regards,
Alex M

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Henry
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 11:48 AM
To: Magdalen Berns; orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen =
reader users

It is counter productive to not participate.
If you have not ever done this survey perhaps you are unaware that in =
all cases I remember there is an other option where you can write in =
orca. Perhaps my memory is not 100% correct, and there are questions =
where this is not ture, but again, I don't remember not being able to =
write in Orca, and speakup.=20
I mention both as I use both, and i check NVDA or listed alternatives =
where appropriate. I  think there are questions where you are asked to =
put screenreaders in ordr of which you use most, but may be confusing =
this with other surveys. I'm really sory I didi not do this year's =
survey now that this has become such a topic of interest here as having =
more people mentioning Orca and friendswould likely have more impact.
I don't remember if write ins such as Orca are mentioned by name in the =
published results or not, or if "other" is just shown as such lumpiing =
all write-ins together.=20
I seem to recall that there is an overview or results as well as a =
detailed results presentation. They also showed trends comparing where =
they compared=20
current results to past years with some analysis.    =20

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  Magdalen Berns wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 05:28:01PM +0100

>      I doubt very much the authors of this survey are part of some =
world wide
>      conspiracy against Orca or open source software.
>=20
>    Me too but with that said there are some situations where
>    industry/institutions have reason to endorse one product over =
another. DSA
>    assessment centres in the UK are a bit "unmotivated" by free =
software
>    alternatives, for example. It happens...
>    In any case, you certainly have a point in that products like Orca =
do not
>    always come to the attention of those who may benefit from learning =
about
>    it so I don't see the harm in anyone getting in touch with an =
organisation
>    like WebAim to let them know what's great about Orca (or with =
filling out
>    their survey either - as long as they are willing to share the =
findings by
>    publishing them with everyone else in an accessible way) but good =
in that
>    idea.
>    Anyway, I just wanted to say that it's great to see people invested =
in
>    getting the word out there in any shape or form, really. I hope =
people
>    continue to bring great ideas like this up! The more people helping =
to
>    promote GNOME as a credible accessible alternative to proprietary
>    offerings, the better!
>    Thanks,
>    Magdalen
>    =20
>=20
>      I think it's much more likely that it was just over looked or =
that
>      Linux/Orca just isn't used by enough people, at least with some =
actual
>      statistics, to merit inclusion in this list. ChromeVox is new, =
and is
>      the screen reder for ChromeOS and ChromeBooks, so I'm not =
surprised it's
>      on the list, at least for now. I'd suggest doing what I did and
>      including Orca on the survey yourself as an other or in the write =
in
>      comments.
>=20
>      On 07/27/2015 07:18 AM, kendell clark wrote:
>=20
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>=20
>        hi
>        This is definitely possible. I was talking with some people on =
the
>        talking arch channel and we were all wondering why orca didn't =
get a
>        mention. After all, chromevox is on the list, and that barely
>        qualifies as a screen reader. It's more of an application =
specific
>        reader, which ... well, whether it counts or not is debatable I =
guess.
>        I think it all boils down to the blind government agencies, of =
which
>        this web accessibility thing is probably associated with, =
conveniently
>        forgetting to give linux any mentions at all. I've noticed this =
a lot,
>        but I don't have an answer. My cinical side thinks it's some =
plot to
>        make windows and apple invaluable, while the rest of me has no =
idea.
>        Thanks
>        Kendell clark
>=20
>        kk wrote:
>=20
>          Hi all. orca is indeed being used in India extensively, =
specially
>          in the south. And I think this is deliberate social =
engineering by
>          some exploitative proprietary mafia which wants people to =
have
>          another reason not to use a free OS. Given that NVDA gets a =
mention
>          at all the places, it being open source, then why not Orca? =
The
>          reason is very simple, you still need proprietary OS and =
other
>          proprietary software with NVDA right? But Linux is free as in
>          freedom and to a great extent as in free of cost. So they =
want to
>          defeate the very social purpose. Happy hacking. Krishnakant.
>=20
>          On Monday 27 July 2015 01:03 PM, Trenton Matthews wrote:
>=20
>            hmmm. Fewer usrs? Nah. Small community, definitely.
>=20
>            As for it not being on the survey, (which i think is closed =
now,)
>            I wonder the reason why Orca isn't on the list, is because =
it
>            doesn't get enough press. Same with Supernova and Cobra on
>            Windows for that matter...
>=20
>            On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:09 AM, _mallory
>            <[1]stommepoes@stommepoes.nl =
>
>            wrote:
>=20
>            On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 09:17:52AM -0500, Alex Midence =
wrote:
>=20
>              I wanted to pass this link along to you guys so the Orca
>=20
>            community is more represented in these things so, =
I=E2=80=99m terribly
>            sorry about the cross posting.  This is a survey conducted =
by
>            Webaim to find out how accessible screen reader users think =
the
>            internet is.  What bugs me is that they mention nearly all
>            screen readers except for Orca.  Last time I mentioned it =
to
>            them, they said it was because they didn=E2=80=99t think =
anyone used it
>            much so, they didn=E2=80=99t include it.  Chromevox was =
there though
>            which I would argue has fewer users than Orca does.
>=20
>              [3]http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>=20
>            Jared even made a snarky comment about Orca users:
>            =
[4]https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>=20
>            It would be nice to know if Orca is more heavily =
represented in
>            countries like India and Brazil, because I'm pretty sure =
the
>            WebAIM surveys are very Western-biased, where having a =
Windows
>            machine is often an automatic default.
>=20
>            _mallory _______________________________________________
>            orca-list mailing list [5]orca-list@gnome.org
>            
>            [7]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>            [8]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. =
The
>            manual is at
>            =
[9]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>=20
>        The FAQ is at =
[10]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>=20
>            Log bugs and feature requests at =
[11]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>            Find
>            out how to help at =
[12]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>=20
>            _______________________________________________ orca-list =
mailing
>            list [13]orca-list@gnome.org
>            [14]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>            [15]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on =
Orca. The
>            manual is at
>            =
[16]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>=20
>        The FAQ is at =
[17]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>=20
>            Log bugs and feature requests at =
[18]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>            Find
>            out how to help at =
[19]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>=20
>          _______________________________________________ orca-list =
mailing
>          list [20]orca-list@gnome.org
>          [21]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>          [22]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. =
The
>          manual
>          is at
>          =
[23]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>=20
>        The FAQ is at =
[24]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>=20
>          Log bugs and feature requests at =
[25]http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>          out
>          how to help at [26]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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>        _______________________________________________
>        orca-list mailing list
>        [27]orca-list@gnome.org
>        [28]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>        Visit [29]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on =
Orca.
>        The manual is at
>        =
[30]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>        The FAQ is at =
[31]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>        Log bugs and feature requests at [32]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>        Find out how to help at =
[33]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>=20
>      --
>      Christopher (CJ)
>      chaltain at Gmail
>      _______________________________________________
>      orca-list mailing list
>      [34]orca-list@gnome.org
>      [35]https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>      Visit [36]http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on =
Orca.
>      The manual is at
>      =
[37]http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>      The FAQ is at =
[38]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>      Log bugs and feature requests at [39]http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>      Find out how to help at =
[40]http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>=20
> References
>=20
>    Visible links
>    1. mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl
>    2. mailto:stommepoes@stommepoes.nl
>    3. http://webaim.org/projects/screenreadersurvey6/
>    4. https://twitter.com/jared_w_smith/status/618529195761668096
>    5. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>    6. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>    7. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>    8. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>    9. =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   10. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   11. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   12. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   13. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   14. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   15. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   16. =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   17. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   18. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   19. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   20. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   21. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   22. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   23. =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   24. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   25. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   26. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   27. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   28. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   29. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   30. =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   31. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   32. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   33. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>   34. mailto:orca-list@gnome.org
>   35. https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>   36. http://live.gnome.org/Orca
>   37. =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>   38. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>   39. http://bugzilla.gnome.org/
>   40. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

> _______________________________________________
> orca-list mailing list
> orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

_______________________________________________
orca-list mailing list
orca-list@gnome.org
https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
The manual is at =
http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
Find out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Hi,

I've taught Orca and GNU/Linux to someone which works in Web a11y and 
wrich isn't far from W3C. Her feedback was interesting, I think, to 
explain the problem:
1. Very hard to evaluate Orca for Web a11y, as it's strongly 
distro/versions-dependent. So she sees that as a mess to evaluate. 
Diversity is a problem in such cases to recommend a version, a distro, 
etc., especially when any new release nearly removes the support for 
older releases. The frequency of releases and support is a problem she 
mentioned.
2. Orca is less performant, from much users point of view, than NVDA or 
other screen readers. Especially, we saw a different behavior with 
modern Web techno such as ARIA, html5 sometimes, etc. and with latest 
a11y !ecommendations. And sometimes more latency.

Those 2 reactions make people not recommend Orca at all. That's why we 
need to change this program's status regarding the support and the 
guidelines (it's what we try doing with Hypra), and helping code 
improvements (it's what we plan to do).



Best regards,

Le 27/07/2015 18:48, B. Henry a écrit :
> It is counter productive to not participate.
> If you have not ever done this survey perhaps you are unaware that in all cases I remember there is an other option where you can write in orca. Perhaps
> my memory is not 100% correct, and there are questions where this is not ture, but again, I don't remember not being able to write in Orca, and speakup.
> I mention both as I use both, and i check NVDA or listed alternatives where appropriate. I  think there are questions where you are asked to put
> screenreaders in ordr of which you use most, but may be confusing this with other surveys. I'm really sory I didi not do this year's survey now that
> this has become such a topic of interest here as having more people mentioning Orca and friendswould likely have more impact.
> I don't remember if write ins such as Orca are mentioned by name in the published results or not, or if "other" is just shown as such lumpiing all
> write-ins together.
> I seem to recall that there is an overview or results as well as a detailed results presentation. They also showed trends comparing where they compared
> current results to past years with some analysis.
>


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Dear Jared,

I thank you for your gracious and comprehensive response below and your =
courteous invitation to share this with the Orca community at large.   =
Since I happen to be the driving force behind the "active recruitment" =
you mentioned on the Orca list, I feel it necessary to inform you that I =
myself would never have known of your survey had it not been for Window =
Eyes (my secondary work screenreader) having some sort of built-in =
pop-up script that directed me to your site each and every single time I =
launched it.  I finally broke down and took it after the third day so I =
could get it to go away.  Seeing as how Window Eyes now comes free to =
anyone who has a license for Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, you wanna =
talk about active recruitment, that will certainly drive the numbers =
much higher than they otherwise would've been.  my modest message to the =
Orca list and a few other Linux lists informing them of its existence on =
the very last day it could be filled out is hardly indicative of active =
recruitment.  You are right though to consider the numbers inaccurate =
since they would've been somewhat higher had I posted my suggestion =
sooner.  I know this because of a number of respondents tried to take =
the survey only to find that it had been closed.  I am going to take =
this opportunity to make a suggestion to the Orca developer and anyone =
else in the community with the necessary programming skills to add a =
similar script to Orca so that our user community is better represented =
in these sorts of things. =20

Thanks again for your response and enjoy the rest of your day.
Alex Midence



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Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:40 PM
To: Alex Midence
Subject: Re: Web site comments

Yes, I'm familiar with the Orca screen readers. We do not list all =
possible screen readers in the list of possible choices for simplicity's =
sake. There are many dozens of different screen readers (see =
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers) and it would be =
unusable to everyone to try to sort through all of them. We don't, for =
example, list every possible browser or mobile device out there. We only =
list the most common options. I can assure you that this is not an =
effort to actively ignore or dismiss Linux users. In early surveys we =
did list Orca as an option, but the number of respondents that indicated =
using it was extremely low, so we removed it from the list - again, not =
because we don't care about it, but to make things more accessible to =
respondents.

In taking a quick look at our responses from this survey, only around 1% =
of respondents were on Linux and only 18 (.6%) indicated using Orca in =
the comments. And this number is perhaps inaccurately high due to the =
active recruitment on the Orca mailing lists to get users to complete =
the survey so that Orca could be better represented. Of note is that =
despite this usage of both is lower than on previous surveys.
If we had listed Orca as an option to choose from, it would not have =
provided very useful information anyway - knowing whether Orca is used =
by a minimum of .6% or a maximum of 1% of respondents would have =
virtually no impact on development practices.

I appreciate your comments. And you are welcome to share my response =
with the broader Orca community.

Thanks,

Jared Smith
WebAIM.org

On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Alex Midence  =
wrote:
> Sent from the WebAIM website at 6:07 PM, July 27th, 2015:
>
> Hi.
>
> I'm writing this to you in an effort to build awareness of our screen=20
> reader community.  I recently took your survey on screen reader =
accessibility and noticed that the screen reader I use at home was =
missing from the list of choices.  I have been a user of the Orca screen =
reader for Linux for five years now.  Recent improvements to the Linux =
accessibility stack have resulted in a large number of new users to this =
accessibility solution particularly in the last 2 years.  Distributions =
like Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian and Archlinux now come with accessibility =
built-in out of the box.  All a new user has to do is hold down a hotkey =
combination prior to installation and the operating system gets put on =
their machine complete with screen reader right from the get-go without =
assistance from non-disabled persons.  Couple this with a free price tag =
and you have a very attractive solution for a segment of the population =
which is typically unable to afford some of the higher end screen rea  =
ders out there like Jaws and Window-eyes nor are they often able to =
afford or willing to pay for Windows or Mac machines since many are on =
fixed incomes or student salaries.  So, where once it was a viable =
solution to the extremely technically savvy, Linux has now become a very =
attractive solution to many screen reader users all around the world.  =
This is especially true in India, South Africa, Brazil and other parts =
of latin America, Europe and Asia.  Whould would you need to see in =
order to justify mentioning the Orca screen reader and screen magnifier =
in your future surveys? the usual browser of choice for such users  is =
Firefox although lots of work has been going into making Epiphany,  a =
webkit-based browser for the Gnome desktop an accessible alternative.  =
An answer would be immensely appreciated and will be greatly =
anticipated.
>
> Yours truly,
> Alex Midence
> Orca user
> Alex.Midence@gmail.com
> Orca community member:
> Orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

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hi
This is partially true. It all comes down to the perception, accurate
or not, that if you're blind you must use windows. How this got
started I don't know, but in my experience linux can do most things as
well as, and in some cases better than windows in terms of
accessibility. Orca does a very good job at what it does and I'm
continually frustrated that the blind community in particular is among
the most stubborn and ungreatful of linux converts, often switching
back after a few days because they "think" they need windows for
something, and trying to convince them otherwise is like talking to an
apple fan. I've honestly gotten to where I no longer bother with them
directly,  I just focus on making linux better, putting as many open
source tools into sonar that I can to support as much hardware as
possible, especially apple devices, where the perception is that linux
can't handle those devices, when in reality it can do most things with
it, though not in a pretty gui interface. Note that when I speak of
"blind people" I'm talking about the avid windows fans, not blind
people that use linux in combination with windows, but rather those
who will simply not acknowledge that linux is an option.
Thanks
Kendell clark


B. Henry wrote:
> In my  experience, and talking online contacts here as I've never 
> traveled farther south than Guadamala, nor been west of Ontario in 
> Ca., Linux is not markedly more popular  in developing countries, 
> at least amoung blind users than in the U.S., and where it would 
> gai would be in apple market share, not taking away from windows. 
> PPL mostly buy beg, borrow, or steal pirated windows and pirated 
> jaws. Chromvox is used on four platforms, and with chromebooks 
> having at least the market share of linux, (not talking servers of 
> course, and not including chromeOS as Linux although of course it 
> is), I would disagree that it's likely that more people use Orca 
> than cromevo. I use cromevox on my Linux boxes as no  GUI browser 
> besides chrome/chromevox give me access to any content that
> firefox does not. All the other GUI alternatives either work less
> well in general than firefox, and by a good bit across the board,
> or at best do not work on some sites that firefox does work on
> while not working anywhere that firefox does not. This may not be
> true on every possible webpage, but I've stopped testing any GUI
> LInux browsers until I hear of something interesting. Last one I
> tried was midori.
> 
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Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my =
educated guess:

1.  Windows was the first GUI-based software that had a set of viable, =
production-ready screen readers consistently for nearly a full decade =
before anyone else came along with something on another platform.  There =
was Slimware Window Bridge, Screenpower windows, Jaws and Window Eyes =
all competing head to head with each other from about 1995 until about =
1998 when W.E and JFW pretty much elbowed everyone else away. =20
2.  Apple, though it had Outspoken or Outspeak (I forget the name), =
didn't do as good a job with their screen reader and it stopped working =
after a while until they came up with VoiceOver about 8 or 9 years ago.  =

3.  Around the same time Apple was coming up with Voiceover, there =
existed two solutions for Linux, Gnopernicus and Orca.  Not sure what =
happened to Gnopernicus but Orca took center stage and has done quite =
nicely though, for a while there, you had to really know what you were =
doing to use Linux.  You couldn't just have any old computer user and =
sit them down in front of a Linux machine and tell them to start working =
like you could and still can for Windows.  Lastly, the accessibility =
stack hadn't come as far as it has in the last 2 or 3  years. =20

Simply put, windows accessibility has been around longer and in use by a =
group of folks who are leery of change since they can't be sure they =
will be as productive as they can be in windows and therefore get very =
hesitant to try Linux out.  Where Linux will have the greatest number of =
users IMHO is where windows is difficult to get without breaking the law =
and people are coming to it as their first OS.  With everyone else, it =
has a lot of catching up to do. =20


Alex M


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hi
This is partially true. It all comes down to the perception, accurate or =
not, that if you're blind you must use windows. How this got started I =
don't know, but in my experience linux can do most things as well as, =
and in some cases better than windows in terms of accessibility. Orca =
does a very good job at what it does and I'm continually frustrated that =
the blind community in particular is among the most stubborn and =
ungreatful of linux converts, often switching back after a few days =
because they "think" they need windows for something, and trying to =
convince them otherwise is like talking to an apple fan. I've honestly =
gotten to where I no longer bother with them directly,  I just focus on =
making linux better, putting as many open source tools into sonar that I =
can to support as much hardware as possible, especially apple devices, =
where the perception is that linux can't handle those devices, when in =
reality it can do most things with it, though not in a pretty gui =
interface. Note that when I speak of "blind people" I'm talking about =
the avid windows fans, not blind people that use linux in combination =
with windows, but rather those who will simply not acknowledge that =
linux is an option.
Thanks
Kendell clark


B. Henry wrote:
> In my  experience, and talking online contacts here as I've never=20
> traveled farther south than Guadamala, nor been west of Ontario in=20
> Ca., Linux is not markedly more popular  in developing countries, at=20
> least amoung blind users than in the U.S., and where it would gai=20
> would be in apple market share, not taking away from windows.
> PPL mostly buy beg, borrow, or steal pirated windows and pirated jaws. =

> Chromvox is used on four platforms, and with chromebooks having at=20
> least the market share of linux, (not talking servers of course, and=20
> not including chromeOS as Linux although of course it is), I would=20
> disagree that it's likely that more people use Orca than cromevo. I=20
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Hi,
Yeah, I've learned about the survey from Twitter, but I also recieved an
e-mail from AISquaired (I've subscribed for something in the past),
inviting me to participate in the same survey, so I won't be surprized
if Window-eyes scores a very high percent.
Linux has 20 year history in accessibility (first Emacspeak, then
Speak-Up, then Orca, activly developed for all those years, and this is
only part of the technologies making it possible), so it is not fair
placing it in the "Other" category, and briefly mentioning it like "John
doe also stars".
Besides, There are thousands of people using only the blind-specific
distros, and this is not so much of a requirement to be a screen reader
user under Linux, not to mention that there are many low vision users
who only use magnifiers, so the count of vissually impaired people using
Linux every day could very well be above 10000 (I'm not mentioning the
people who have only tried Linux a time or two, BTW the Vinux 4 alone
has above 10k downloads).
I.e. I'm much more concerned that Linux is not recognized as a viable
platform for accessibility, which I disagree. And that's the general
impression which not only the web developers, but the participents in
the survey will get.
Yeah, we're a tiny percent of all users, but Linux is not some exotic
OS, which was born yesterday and will die tomorrow, and the
participation of the app developers is very important for the
accessibility, so we can't let them ignore us.

I agree with the person, who said that many people are unaware about the
accessibility options under Linux - that's where we could help.
I also think though, that we need more developers working on the
accessibility stack, which means we need some money to support that.
Unfortunately, a direct donation to this projects is not possible as far
as I know and also for unknown reasons.

I don't think every single Linux distribution should be accessible out
of the box - that's what a distribution is: a package of software
targeted at specific needs, though if one distribution is marketed as
mainstream, it should provide access for people with dissabilities - and
we have that, more or less. We also have few distros targeted at
vissually impaired users, which are somewhat different one from another,
and those should pritty much satisfy most people.

Linux of course is very different from other operating systems, and many
Windows users fail to understand that. Having many distributions is
indeed a strenth, rather than a weekness, and the fans of the big
corporations also fail to understand that.
It surely has some impact on the accessibility experiance, but I think
it is much more lack of knolage.
So I think that the documentation should be improved too, both for end
users and developers. Looking at the source code of course is an option,
but I don't think many people will want to do that just to get started
(and it will take them much more time if they do).

One thing that the community could easyly handle are the translations. A
software, translated in your own language, is much more pleasant to work
with, especially for a screen reader user.
So if Orca isn't translated in your language, or the translation isn't
frequently updated - step up and handle the translation - I'm sure that
you'll be much more satisfied Orca user after that, and you'll even
learn a thing or two about Orca you haven't known before in the process.
 GNOME has many modules, and some of them may need translating too.
Actually, from accessibility standpoint, you'll need also ATK, GTK+ and
WEBKIT.

Although the cost is part of the equation, don't look at Linux just as a
free alternative, but instead as an ecosystem which is transparant and
thus secure, a system which respects your privasy, and system you can
learn from.

Talking about web accessibility, I realy think that should be
cross-platform, and should be based on standards, not on individual
screen readers. So we should thank Joanie for her participation on that
front.
As far as the browsers are concerned, Mozilla are doing a very good job
for us in Firefox, so we should thank them too.
Google have many work to do, not only under Linux, but also under
Windows, and that's really a shame for a multibilion dolar company, who
does so much talking recently.
The individual web developers are hardest to convinse here, and that's
as I understand the goals of WEBAIM, which of course is good, except
they won't even consider testing under Linux now.
Let's hope they'll take a note this time, cause the world is not only
Apple, google and Microsoft.

Best wishes,
Zahari


На 27.07.2015 в 22:21, Alex Midence написа:
> Dear Jared,
> 
> I thank you for your gracious and comprehensive response below and your courteous invitation to share this with the Orca community at large.   Since I happen to be the driving force behind the "active recruitment" you mentioned on the Orca list, I feel it necessary to inform you that I myself would never have known of your survey had it not been for Window Eyes (my secondary work screenreader) having some sort of built-in pop-up script that directed me to your site each and every single time I launched it.  I finally broke down and took it after the third day so I could get it to go away.  Seeing as how Window Eyes now comes free to anyone who has a license for Microsoft Office 2010 or higher, you wanna talk about active recruitment, that will certainly drive the numbers much higher than they otherwise would've been.  my modest message to the Orca list and a few other Linux lists informing them of its existence on the very last day it could be filled out is hardly indicativ
 e of acti
ve recruitment.  You are right though to consider the numbers inaccurate since they would've been somewhat higher had I posted my suggestion sooner.  I know this because of a number of respondents tried to take the survey only to find that it had been closed.  I am going to take this opportunity to make a suggestion to the Orca developer and anyone else in the community with the necessary programming skills to add a similar script to Orca so that our user community is better represented in these sorts of things.  
> 
> Thanks again for your response and enjoy the rest of your day.
> Alex Midence
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jared Smith [mailto:jared@webaim.org] 
> Sent: Monday, July 27, 2015 1:40 PM
> To: Alex Midence
> Subject: Re: Web site comments
> 
> Yes, I'm familiar with the Orca screen readers. We do not list all possible screen readers in the list of possible choices for simplicity's sake. There are many dozens of different screen readers (see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers) and it would be unusable to everyone to try to sort through all of them. We don't, for example, list every possible browser or mobile device out there. We only list the most common options. I can assure you that this is not an effort to actively ignore or dismiss Linux users. In early surveys we did list Orca as an option, but the number of respondents that indicated using it was extremely low, so we removed it from the list - again, not because we don't care about it, but to make things more accessible to respondents.
> 
> In taking a quick look at our responses from this survey, only around 1% of respondents were on Linux and only 18 (.6%) indicated using Orca in the comments. And this number is perhaps inaccurately high due to the active recruitment on the Orca mailing lists to get users to complete the survey so that Orca could be better represented. Of note is that despite this usage of both is lower than on previous surveys.
> If we had listed Orca as an option to choose from, it would not have provided very useful information anyway - knowing whether Orca is used by a minimum of .6% or a maximum of 1% of respondents would have virtually no impact on development practices.
> 
> I appreciate your comments. And you are welcome to share my response with the broader Orca community.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Jared Smith
> WebAIM.org
> 
> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 12:07 PM, Alex Midence  wrote:
>> Sent from the WebAIM website at 6:07 PM, July 27th, 2015:
>>
>> Hi.
>>
>> I'm writing this to you in an effort to build awareness of our screen 
>> reader community.  I recently took your survey on screen reader accessibility and noticed that the screen reader I use at home was missing from the list of choices.  I have been a user of the Orca screen reader for Linux for five years now.  Recent improvements to the Linux accessibility stack have resulted in a large number of new users to this accessibility solution particularly in the last 2 years.  Distributions like Fedora, Ubuntu, Debian and Archlinux now come with accessibility built-in out of the box.  All a new user has to do is hold down a hotkey combination prior to installation and the operating system gets put on their machine complete with screen reader right from the get-go without assistance from non-disabled persons.  Couple this with a free price tag and you have a very attractive solution for a segment of the population which is typically unable to afford some of the higher end screen rea  ders out there like Jaws and Window-eyes nor are they often able 
 to afford
 or willing to pay for Windows or Mac machines since many are on fixed incomes or student salaries.  So, where once it was a viable solution to the extremely technically savvy, Linux has now become a very attractive solution to many screen reader users all around the world.  This is especially true in India, South Africa, Brazil and other parts of latin America, Europe and Asia.  Whould would you need to see in order to justify mentioning the Orca screen reader and screen magnifier in your future surveys? the usual browser of choice for such users  is Firefox although lots of work has been going into making Epiphany,  a webkit-based browser for the Gnome desktop an accessible alternative.  An answer would be immensely appreciated and will be greatly anticipated.
>>
>> Yours truly,
>> Alex Midence
>> Orca user
>> Alex.Midence@gmail.com
>> Orca community member:
>> Orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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> This is partially true. It all comes down to the perception, accurate
> or not, that if you're blind you must use windows. How this got
> started I don't know, but in my experience linux can do most things as
> well as, and in some cases better than windows in terms of
> accessibility. Orca does a very good job at what it does and I'm
> continually frustrated that the blind community in particular is among
> the most stubborn and ungreatful of linux converts, often switching
> back after a few days because they "think" they need windows for
> something, and trying to convince them otherwise is like talking to an
> apple fan


Recently I did a few (hand wavy) comparison checks between SwingSet results
with the voiceover OSX screenreader vs linux with java-atk-wrapper, but so
far I have to say that Orca + java-atk-wrapper seems a lot more superior at
reporting what is there (no bias there whatsoever, of course ;-))

I have had the idea to produce a proper comparison of how the standard
screenreader of each OS reports SwingSet once the next GNOME release is
out, as long there's some time. It's possible that providing such a
comparison for review could make it easier for non-users, who are
unfamiliar with Orca, to appreciate that it does actually stand up (without
having to persevere on an unfamiliar desktop in the first instance,
themselves) and hopefully this could help raise awareness of the java
wrapper + Orca's capabilities among sighted users, too.

I could be wrong about all that though, so I would be very open to hearing
any other ideas in the meantime!

Magdalen

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Greetings all,

Time to clear up some things:

First we have "Screen Power":

https://web.archive.org/web/19980114170857/http://www.telesensory.com/bpd/spwin.htm

, which can be downloaded from here:
http://www.allinaccess.com/happ/

Next up we have "Blindows":
http://archiv.incobs.de/infothek/adressen/anbieter.html#audiodata
(Sorry for those who do not speak German, or is that douch? Anyway, can't
translate the page.)

Followed by "Virgo4":
https://web.archive.org/web/20030414212020/http://www.virgo4.com/

So, Blindows, which was originally an "Audiodata" product, was purchased by
Baum in Germany. Virgo, was the newer genration of "Blindows." So, where
does "Cobra"  come in?

Cobra, is Screen Power, Blindows, and Virgo, "combined!" Cobra is for
Windows XP, Vista, and 7. Windows 8 support was never made officially,
though does work I hear.

Last version of Blindows was 4.6, while last version of Virgo was 4.7.
Thus, Cobra started with version 9.

Ah, yes, that Macintosh screen (which was also on Windows,) was called
"OutSpoken."
Yes, the 20 minute demo does "still" exist in the Way Back Machine. At
least, for the Mac.

Speaking of that screen reader which was before Orca:
http://www.baum.ro/index.php?language=en&pagina=produse&subpag=gnopernicus


Yes, after all these years, that site above "still" exists!


Alright, this email is getting a bit long now...
Have a good one folks!

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Hey all.

I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:

1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of text attributes.

2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.

With respect to the second one, consider the following example:

Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."

Formatting:
* "world" is bold
* "is" is italics
* "very" is underlined and orange
* "shiny" is orange (but not underlined)

What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?

Thanks!
--joanie
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Hi all.
Probably this was already reported.
To reproduce try the following:
1. Open the attached html file using firefox.
2. Press tab until you find the field present in this form.
3. Press up arrow some times.
Note that Orca is muted , although the field value changes as the key is 
pressed.
You can check the new value using left/right arrow.
4. Place the cursor in the first character of the value and press up arrow.
Note that orca announces the new value.


-- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza

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Hey Jos.

Confirmed. I'll fix it tomorrow. Thanks!
--joanie

On 07/27/2015 08:43 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all.
> Probably this was already reported.
> To reproduce try the following:
> 1. Open the attached html file using firefox.
> 2. Press tab until you find the field present in this form.
> 3. Press up arrow some times.
> Note that Orca is muted , although the field value changes as the key is
> pressed.
> You can check the new value using left/right arrow.
> 4. Place the cursor in the first character of the value and press up arrow.
> Note that orca announces the new value.
> 
> 
> -- Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza
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Hi,
I'm experiancing this for at least a few months, but I'm almost sure
someone reported it in the past, at least that's the reason I didn't
reported it myself. Now I'm not so sure, may be I've missed something,
so sorry if that's actually a Firefox bug or something.
So if you have a table with empty cells, like on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_screen_readers

and you enter the table, and then use the table navigation commands,
when you land on empty cell, Orca gets confused.
For example, let's get the first table, one with 60 rows and 5 cols,
where the last column is "Notes", and not every row has content in that
column. So we load the page, press t, and we're on the first row first
column. I already know that the 4th row doesn't have a "Notes" column,
so lets get to it pressing Alt+Shift+downArrow 3 times - Orca reads
"BrowseAloud", which is correct.
Now if I press repeatedly Alt+Shift+rightArrow, Orca reads the contents
of column 2, column 3, etc, but when I get to the last column 5 (that
one empty column with "Notes"), the next press of Alt+Shift+rightArrow
places me on row 5, column 2. In fact, as soon as I step on row 4 column
5, Orca thinks I'm on row 5 column1.

I'm using Firefox 39.0 with the latest Orca from master (commit
e3a36915da5589c9c96346889feee370d5c3add5).

Best wishes,
Zahari
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Hi,
The sirious part is in the second half of this message.
I agree that Skype is proprietary application, even worse - owned by
Microsoft, and I was against it the moment I saw it in the early 2005
cause of it's closed communication protocol, which is the root of all
problems, including the accessibility once (if it wasn't for it, we
would have other, accessible clients), but since my contacts are mostly
there, I'm forced to live with it, so I'm frustrated with it's poor
accessibility, which at least improved in the latest version, but that
was more than an year ago, and since then we haven't heard any good news
from it.
And after that really long sentense, I must say that the most annoying
thing is reading the messages, so I've decided to try to understand
where is the problem, cause we might not live enough to see Microsoft
fixing it, or at least it may not happen in the near future.
So I've tried using that program, which name I have to copy-paste, cause
it's so hard to spell, named accerciser, and I wonder how I would have
find it if I wasn't subscribed to the Orca mailing list.


So, the sirious part comes here:
It looks like Skype is updating the lable on the whole list when you
move through the individual items - that's why we're able to read it
when alt-tabbing and with WhereAmI command.
So I imagine it won't be hard for Orca to automaticly announce this
label when it changes, thus enabling reading of messages with up and
down arrows - this wil be a huge improvement!
I haven't tested it, but I imagine this label will change when one
recieves a new message, in case Skype's "internal focus" on that list
isn't moved somewhere on a previous message. So it could be used for
automatic reading of incoming messages for the current conversation.
Furthermore, if Orca is able to traverse this list, that could be a base
for constructing the list of the last 10 messages.

There are other things I haven't checked yet, but may be worth
mentioning here:
- The character echo - I realize that Skype should provide this, but I
think it is important if Orca could at least temporarily hack around
this, cause sometimes it's very hard to type a message without it. Note
that Orca does announce the selection, which is how I currently
workaround the inaccessible "Send message" area.
- The inaccessible edit fields: is there a way Orca could hack around this?
- Some other fields in Skype's main window, like the one for your buddy
mood (I think there is also a tooltip displaying the mood, when you
point the contact's name with the mouse).

Best wishes,
Zahari
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Hey José.

Should be fixed in master. thanks for the report!
--joanie

On 07/27/2015 08:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Hi all.
> Probably this was already reported.
> To reproduce try the following:
> 1. Open the attached html file using firefox.
> 2. Press tab until you find the field present in this form.
> 3. Press up arrow some times.
> Note that Orca is muted , although the field value changes as the key is
> pressed.
> You can check the new value using left/right arrow.
> 4. Place the cursor in the first character of the value and press up arrow.
> Note that orca announces the new value.
> 
> 
> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
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Good luck with that!
Easiest way to solve the skype problem in genral, is move your voice/video
conversations to "Appear":

http://appear.in

I see Skype for Linux is still at 4.3, unless the skype page didn't get an
update recently...


On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Zahari Yurukov 
wrote:

> Hi,
> The sirious part is in the second half of this message.
> I agree that Skype is proprietary application, even worse - owned by
> Microsoft, and I was against it the moment I saw it in the early 2005
> cause of it's closed communication protocol, which is the root of all
> problems, including the accessibility once (if it wasn't for it, we
> would have other, accessible clients), but since my contacts are mostly
> there, I'm forced to live with it, so I'm frustrated with it's poor
> accessibility, which at least improved in the latest version, but that
> was more than an year ago, and since then we haven't heard any good news
> from it.
> And after that really long sentense, I must say that the most annoying
> thing is reading the messages, so I've decided to try to understand
> where is the problem, cause we might not live enough to see Microsoft
> fixing it, or at least it may not happen in the near future.
> So I've tried using that program, which name I have to copy-paste, cause
> it's so hard to spell, named accerciser, and I wonder how I would have
> find it if I wasn't subscribed to the Orca mailing list.
>
>
> So, the sirious part comes here:
> It looks like Skype is updating the lable on the whole list when you
> move through the individual items - that's why we're able to read it
> when alt-tabbing and with WhereAmI command.
> So I imagine it won't be hard for Orca to automaticly announce this
> label when it changes, thus enabling reading of messages with up and
> down arrows - this wil be a huge improvement!
> I haven't tested it, but I imagine this label will change when one
> recieves a new message, in case Skype's "internal focus" on that list
> isn't moved somewhere on a previous message. So it could be used for
> automatic reading of incoming messages for the current conversation.
> Furthermore, if Orca is able to traverse this list, that could be a base
> for constructing the list of the last 10 messages.
>
> There are other things I haven't checked yet, but may be worth
> mentioning here:
> - The character echo - I realize that Skype should provide this, but I
> think it is important if Orca could at least temporarily hack around
> this, cause sometimes it's very hard to type a message without it. Note
> that Orca does announce the selection, which is how I currently
> workaround the inaccessible "Send message" area.
> - The inaccessible edit fields: is there a way Orca could hack around this?
> - Some other fields in Skype's main window, like the one for your buddy
> mood (I think there is also a tooltip displaying the mood, when you
> point the contact's name with the mouse).
>
> Best wishes,
> Zahari
> _______________________________________________
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> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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Good luck with that!
Easiest way to solve the skype pr=
oblem in genral, is move your voice/video conversations to "Appear&quo=
t;:




On Mon, Jul 27=
, 2015 at 9:06 PM, Zahari Yurukov <zahari.yurukov@gmail.com>=
 wrote:
Hi,

The sirious part is in the second half of this message.

I agree that Skype is proprietary application, even worse - owned by

Microsoft, and I was against it the moment I saw it in the early 2005

cause of it's closed communication protocol, which is the root of all
problems, including the accessibility once (if it wasn't for it, we

would have other, accessible clients), but since my contacts are mostly

there, I'm forced to live with it, so I'm frustrated with it's =
poor

accessibility, which at least improved in the latest version, but that

was more than an year ago, and since then we haven't heard any good new=
s

from it.

And after that really long sentense, I must say that the most annoying

thing is reading the messages, so I've decided to try to understand

where is the problem, cause we might not live enough to see Microsoft

fixing it, or at least it may not happen in the near future.

So I've tried using that program, which name I have to copy-paste, caus=
e

it's so hard to spell, named accerciser, and I wonder how I would have<=
br>
find it if I wasn't subscribed to the Orca mailing list.





So, the sirious part comes here:

It looks like Skype is updating the lable on the whole list when you

move through the individual items - that's why we're able to read i=
t

when alt-tabbing and with WhereAmI command.

So I imagine it won't be hard for Orca to automaticly announce this

label when it changes, thus enabling reading of messages with up and

down arrows - this wil be a huge improvement!

I haven't tested it, but I imagine this label will change when one

recieves a new message, in case Skype's "internal focus" on t=
hat list

isn't moved somewhere on a previous message. So it could be used for
automatic reading of incoming messages for the current conversation.

Furthermore, if Orca is able to traverse this list, that could be a base
for constructing the list of the last 10 messages.



There are other things I haven't checked yet, but may be worth

mentioning here:

- The character echo - I realize that Skype should provide this, but I

think it is important if Orca could at least temporarily hack around

this, cause sometimes it's very hard to type a message without it. Note=


that Orca does announce the selection, which is how I currently

workaround the inaccessible "Send message" area.

- The inaccessible edit fields: is there a way Orca could hack around this?=


- Some other fields in Skype's main window, like the one for your buddy=


mood (I think there is also a tooltip displaying the mood, when you

point the contact's name with the mouse).



Best wishes,

Zahari

_______________________________________________

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Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.

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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
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Hi Joanie, I hope things are well.

With respect to your question, I have come up with one idea that may 
provide some direction.

If I come up with any more, I will chime in again.


Scenario

With Sound *Sound implementation signalling there are atributes within 
that current line of text you are in.

Perhaps just a subtle beep

This will tell the user that there are formatting styles present, and 
can open the dialog you have suggested.

Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."

So, in this example, at the beginning of the line, a subtle sound will play telling the user there is formatting present.

Once the dialog is present, I would say the best approach would be to have the dialog present the sentences that contain formatting.

The Sentence can be at the top of the tree, and once the user arrows down, they can hear the following

*World is in bold

and so fourth.

Scenario 2

The sound queue is disabled and the user automatically brings up the dialog

Wherein, you could use the case in Scenario 1, just the user initiated the scan themselves, without going through the document, and no sound queues.

It is likely that a tree may be the best approach as doing the following would be very informative, but perhaps slow in editing, or viewing

Text: Hellow World!

to

Hello World! *World is in bold*

This is just  my thoughts at present.

If I should come up with any more ideas on how to implement this or a better way of going about it, I will chime in again.

I know that Modifier + F can get you some of these results, but a method of proof reading would be so much faster in telling the user what is going on in a given document.

Take care,

Alfonzo cuellar


On 07/27/2015 06:53 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey all.
>
> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
>
> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of text attributes.
>
> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.
>
> With respect to the second one, consider the following example:
>
> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
>
> Formatting:
> * "world" is bold
> * "is" is italics
> * "very" is underlined and orange
> * "shiny" is orange (but not underlined)
>
> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?
>
> Thanks!
> --joanie
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Hi All,

just some thoughts concerning this feature:

- Orca could just change its voice to indicate there are some more
text attributes ..
- It could also just say something like "world, bold " etc.
- btw. what would be the region of interesst for this extra dialog?
Just the current line or a sentense or maybe even customizable?

Anyway, again a great improovement! :)

Thanks
Jann


2015-07-28 6:01 GMT+02:00, Alfonzo Cuellar :
> Hi Joanie, I hope things are well.
>
> With respect to your question, I have come up with one idea that may
> provide some direction.
>
> If I come up with any more, I will chime in again.
>
>
> Scenario
>
> With Sound *Sound implementation signalling there are atributes within
> that current line of text you are in.
>
> Perhaps just a subtle beep
>
> This will tell the user that there are formatting styles present, and
> can open the dialog you have suggested.
>
> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
>
> So, in this example, at the beginning of the line, a subtle sound will play
> telling the user there is formatting present.
>
> Once the dialog is present, I would say the best approach would be to have
> the dialog present the sentences that contain formatting.
>
> The Sentence can be at the top of the tree, and once the user arrows down,
> they can hear the following
>
> *World is in bold
>
> and so fourth.
>
> Scenario 2
>
> The sound queue is disabled and the user automatically brings up the dialog
>
> Wherein, you could use the case in Scenario 1, just the user initiated the
> scan themselves, without going through the document, and no sound queues.
>
> It is likely that a tree may be the best approach as doing the following
> would be very informative, but perhaps slow in editing, or viewing
>
> Text: Hellow World!
>
> to
>
> Hello World! *World is in bold*
>
> This is just  my thoughts at present.
>
> If I should come up with any more ideas on how to implement this or a better
> way of going about it, I will chime in again.
>
> I know that Modifier + F can get you some of these results, but a method of
> proof reading would be so much faster in telling the user what is going on
> in a given document.
>
> Take care,
>
> Alfonzo cuellar
>
>
> On 07/27/2015 06:53 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>> Hey all.
>>
>> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
>>
>> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of text attributes.
>>
>> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.
>>
>> With respect to the second one, consider the following example:
>>
>> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
>>
>> Formatting:
>> * "world" is bold
>> * "is" is italics
>> * "very" is underlined and orange
>> * "shiny" is orange (but not underlined)
>>
>> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --joanie
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Hello all,

I just finished to install Ubuntu 15.04 and I verify it does not start
automatically.

The consequence is that it remains silent at the login screen. I don't
like Unity, prefering to use gnome-session-fallback. However, as Orca
is silent, I can't change the active desktop manager.

Does someone know a solution for this issue?

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 05:28:01PM +0100, Magdalen Berns wrote:
> In any case, you certainly have a point in that products like Orca do not
> always come to the attention of those who may benefit from learning about
> it so I don't see the harm in anyone getting in touch with an organisation
> like WebAim to let them know what's great about Orca (or with filling out
> their survey either - as long as they are willing to share the findings by
> publishing them with everyone else in an accessible way) but good in that
> idea.

WebAIM is fully aware of the existence of Orca, they just don't care
to list it in their survey. 

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On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my educated guess:

Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first
computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This
is also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company
who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.

I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually 
you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason
to switch. 

So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his
company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.
He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply
using a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.

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Hi,
I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.
People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced that 
they require it.
NVDA is gaining ground though.
I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based 
note taker product to market.
"If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment." seem to be 
the main idea.
for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com

I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept the 
excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy 
matters.
The results would therefore be scued by design.
Kind regards, Willem



On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my educated guess:
>
> Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first
> computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This
> is also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company
> who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.
>
> I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually
> you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason
> to switch.
>
> So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his
> company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.
> He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply
> using a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.
>
> _mallory
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Hello,
I am still making up my mind about this and I'm trying to understand 
what's going on. As I have opened a google docs document this morning I 
realized orca master has issues dealing with document content. Google 
docs shortcut keys such as page up / page down, ctrl+home, ctrl+end are 
not working for me to navigate inside the google docs documents, 
navigation by line appears to be a bit inconsistent.
I am afraid recent enhancements which might have something to do with 
editable documents on the web might have affected this.
I can't work out whether this is some kind of configuration issue on my 
system or there really might be problems accessing google docs with orca.
Can you please try to verify?


Greetings

Peter

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Hey Peter.

Did you enable Google Docs accessibility support (a google docs thing)
and also enable Orca's sticky focus mode? The former causes Google Docs
to emit the live region events; the latter causes Orca to get out of the
way and not take over navigation, etc.

--joanie

On 07/28/2015 06:34 AM, Peter Vgner wrote:
> Hello,
> I am still making up my mind about this and I'm trying to understand
> what's going on. As I have opened a google docs document this morning I
> realized orca master has issues dealing with document content. Google
> docs shortcut keys such as page up / page down, ctrl+home, ctrl+end are
> not working for me to navigate inside the google docs documents,
> navigation by line appears to be a bit inconsistent.
> I am afraid recent enhancements which might have something to do with
> editable documents on the web might have affected this.
> I can't work out whether this is some kind of configuration issue on my
> system or there really might be problems accessing google docs with orca.
> Can you please try to verify?
> 
> 
> Greetings
> 
> Peter
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Great!
Thanks again.

On 07/28/2015 12:37 AM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey José.
>
> Should be fixed in master. thanks for the report!
> --joanie
>
> On 07/27/2015 08:43 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi all.
>> Probably this was already reported.
>> To reproduce try the following:
>> 1. Open the attached html file using firefox.
>> 2. Press tab until you find the field present in this form.
>> 3. Press up arrow some times.
>> Note that Orca is muted , although the field value changes as the key is
>> pressed.
>> You can check the new value using left/right arrow.
>> 4. Place the cursor in the first character of the value and press up arrow.
>> Note that orca announces the new value.
>>
>>
>> -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza
>>
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Joanie,

My suggestion would be to have Orca indicate capitalization. Saying cap 
or beeping is too annoying to have it happen all the time. But if that 
could be on by default on a proofreading mode, it would be great.

Thanks,

Fernando


On 07/28/2015 08:26 AM, Milton wrote:
> It will be great to have proofreading! Orca can left out words like 
> 'is, and, but, not underlined'. Many thanks.
> Milton
>
> Op 28-07-15 om 01:53 schreef Joanmarie Diggs:
>> Hey all.
>>
>> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
>>
>> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of text 
>> attributes.
>>
>> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.
>>
>> With respect to the second one, consider the following example:
>>
>> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
>>
>> Formatting:
>> * "world" is bold
>> * "is" is italics
>> * "very" is underlined and orange
>> * "shiny" is orange (but not underlined)
>>
>> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --joanie
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Hello,
Thank you verry much for reminding me about sticky focus mode. Not 
having enabled this was my issue.
Greetings

Peter

On 28.07.2015 at 14:26 Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Hey Peter.
>
> Did you enable Google Docs accessibility support (a google docs thing)
> and also enable Orca's sticky focus mode? The former causes Google Docs
> to emit the live region events; the latter causes Orca to get out of the
> way and not take over navigation, etc.
>
> --joanie
>
> On 07/28/2015 06:34 AM, Peter Vágner wrote:
>> Hello,
>> I am still making up my mind about this and I'm trying to understand
>> what's going on. As I have opened a google docs document this morning I
>> realized orca master has issues dealing with document content. Google
>> docs shortcut keys such as page up / page down, ctrl+home, ctrl+end are
>> not working for me to navigate inside the google docs documents,
>> navigation by line appears to be a bit inconsistent.
>> I am afraid recent enhancements which might have something to do with
>> editable documents on the web might have affected this.
>> I can't work out whether this is some kind of configuration issue on my
>> system or there really might be problems accessing google docs with orca.
>> Can you please try to verify?
>>
>>
>> Greetings
>>
>> Peter
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
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Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny =
user communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to =
leave out by name.  However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is =
that it is THE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.  There simply is =
no other.  If you are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux =
and have a desktop environment installed, you are running Orca as a =
screenreader and magnifier.  There is currently nothing else.  Yeah, =
there's Emacspeak and Speakup but, they don't do the same thing.  One =
self voices an editor and the other is for the console, not the desktop. =
=20

Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it =
into their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.  =
People come to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.  =
Unless something is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be =
taken into consideration for anyone who is designing a website.  As long =
as Jaws, Window eyes, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can =
navigate it, they will consider it a task complete from there end.  This =
means at-spi and Orca have to rely more heavily to web accessibility =
standards and do more hacks than all the others because they aren't =
being met half way.  Most unfortunate.

Alex M

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van der Walt
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:56 AM
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Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen =
reader users, situation in South Africa

Hi,
I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.
People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced =
that they require it.
NVDA is gaining ground though.
I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based =
note taker product to market.
"If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment." seem to =
be the main idea.
for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com

I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept =
the excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy =
matters.
The results would therefore be scued by design.
Kind regards, Willem



On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:

> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my =
educated guess:
>
> Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first=20
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Hi,
Honestly, there are not thousands of screen readers. For this survey to be =
relevant at all, it should include as many as possible. They didn't mention=
 thunder for windows, and probably a couple others. this thing just seems l=
ike a jaws popularity contest to me. and, it's not hard to add another opti=
on to a survey, in fact, they probably don't even have to edit the html by =
hand these days. I have started considering the idea of making a real scree=
n reader survey. Would be interesting to see how that goes.
Thanks
storm
On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:16:26AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny use=
r communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to leave out=
 by name.  However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is that it is T=
HE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.  There simply is no other.  If yo=
u are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux and have a desktop =
environment installed, you are running Orca as a screenreader and magnifier=
=2E  There is currently nothing else.  Yeah, there's Emacspeak and Speakup =
but, they don't do the same thing.  One self voices an editor and the other=
 is for the console, not the desktop.
>
>Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it in=
to their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.  People co=
me to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.  Unless somethi=
ng is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be taken into conside=
ration for anyone who is designing a website.  As long as Jaws, Window eyes=
, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can navigate it, they will consid=
er it a task complete from there end.  This means at-spi and Orca have to r=
ely more heavily to web accessibility standards and do more hacks than all =
the others because they aren't being met half way.  Most unfortunate.
>
>Alex M
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willem v=
an der Walt
>Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:56 AM
>Cc: orca-list@gnome.org
>Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen re=
ader users, situation in South Africa
>
>Hi,
>I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.
>People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced that =
they require it.
>NVDA is gaining ground though.
>I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based n=
ote taker product to market.
>"If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment." seem to be =
the main idea.
>for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com
>
>I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept the=
 excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy matters.
>The results would therefore be scued by design.
>Kind regards, Willem
>
>
>
>On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:
>
>> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my edu=
cated guess:
>>
>> Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first
>> computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This is
>> also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company
>> who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.
>>
>> I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually
>> you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason to
>> switch.
>>
>> So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his
>> company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.
>> He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply using
>> a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.
>>
>> _mallory
>> _______________________________________________
>> orca-list mailing list
>> orca-list@gnome.org
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>> The manual is at
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Eh, thaat's a fantastic idea!
I'm up for participating when that comes out


On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Storm Dragon 
wrote:

> Hi,
> Honestly, there are not thousands of screen readers. For this survey to be
> relevant at all, it should include as many as possible. They didn't mention
> thunder for windows, and probably a couple others. this thing just seems
> like a jaws popularity contest to me. and, it's not hard to add another
> option to a survey, in fact, they probably don't even have to edit the html
> by hand these days. I have started considering the idea of making a real
> screen reader survey. Would be interesting to see how that goes.
> Thanks
> storm
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:16:26AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>
>> Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny
>> user communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to leave
>> out by name.  However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is that it
>> is THE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.  There simply is no other.
>> If you are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux and have a
>> desktop environment installed, you are running Orca as a screenreader and
>> magnifier.  There is currently nothing else.  Yeah, there's Emacspeak and
>> Speakup but, they don't do the same thing.  One self voices an editor and
>> the other is for the console, not the desktop.
>>
>> Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it
>> into their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.  People
>> come to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.  Unless
>> something is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be taken into
>> consideration for anyone who is designing a website.  As long as Jaws,
>> Window eyes, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can navigate it, they
>> will consider it a task complete from there end.  This means at-spi and
>> Orca have to rely more heavily to web accessibility standards and do more
>> hacks than all the others because they aren't being met half way.  Most
>> unfortunate.
>>
>> Alex M
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willem
>> van der Walt
>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:56 AM
>> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org
>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen
>> reader users, situation in South Africa
>>
>> Hi,
>> I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.
>> People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced that
>> they require it.
>> NVDA is gaining ground though.
>> I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based
>> note taker product to market.
>> "If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment." seem to be
>> the main idea.
>> for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com
>>
>> I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept
>> the excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy
>> matters.
>> The results would therefore be scued by design.
>> Kind regards, Willem
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:
>>
>>  On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>
>>>> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my
>>>> educated guess:
>>>>
>>>
>>> Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first
>>> computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This is
>>> also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company
>>> who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.
>>>
>>> I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually
>>> you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason to
>>> switch.
>>>
>>> So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his
>>> company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.
>>> He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply using
>>> a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.
>>>
>>> _mallory
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> orca-list mailing list
>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Eh, thaat's a fantastic idea!
I'm up for parti=
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On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Sto=
rm Dragon <stormdragon2976@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Honestly, there are not thousands of screen readers. For this survey to be =
relevant at all, it should include as many as possible. They didn't men=
tion thunder for windows, and probably a couple others. this thing just see=
ms like a jaws popularity contest to me. and, it's not hard to add anot=
her option to a survey, in fact, they probably don't even have to edit =
the html by hand these days. I have started considering the idea of making =
a real screen reader survey. Would be interesting to see how that goes.

Thanks

storm

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:16:26AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:



Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny =
user communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to leave =
out by name.=C2=A0 However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is that=
 it is THE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.=C2=A0 There simply is no =
other.=C2=A0 If you are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux a=
nd have a desktop environment installed, you are running Orca as a screenre=
ader and magnifier.=C2=A0 There is currently nothing else.=C2=A0 Yeah, ther=
e's Emacspeak and Speakup but, they don't do the same thing.=C2=A0 =
One self voices an editor and the other is for the console, not the desktop=
.



Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it int=
o their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.=C2=A0 Peopl=
e come to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.=C2=A0 Unles=
s something is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be taken int=
o consideration for anyone who is designing a website.=C2=A0 As long as Jaw=
s, Window eyes, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can navigate it, th=
ey will consider it a task complete from there end.=C2=A0 This means at-spi=
 and Orca have to rely more heavily to web accessibility standards and do m=
ore hacks than all the others because they aren't being met half way.=
=C2=A0 Most unfortunate.



Alex M



-----Original Message-----

From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willem van der =
Walt

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:56 AM

Cc: orca-list@gnom=
e.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen rea=
der users, situation in South Africa



Hi,

I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.

People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced that t=
hey require it.

NVDA is gaining ground though.

I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based no=
te taker product to market.

"If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment."=
; seem to be the main idea.

for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com



I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept the =
excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy matters.=


The results would therefore be scued by design.

Kind regards, Willem







On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:





On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:



Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.=C2=A0 Here's m=
y educated guess:





Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first

computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This is

also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company

who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.



I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually

you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason to

switch.



So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his

company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.

He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply usi=
ng

a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.



_mallory

_______________________________________________

orca-list mailing list

orca-list@g=
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https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list

Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.

The manual is at

http://library.gnome.org/users/g=
nome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
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Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
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As for the Thunder Screen reder, that one is ending its service sometime
this year, if it hasn't yet already.

Speaking of ending support, Yesterday with Window-Eyes 9.2, XP support has
been dropped.
So the only ones that work with XP now that have support still, are Cobra,
and NVDA.


On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 12:42 PM, Trenton Matthews  wrote:

> Eh, thaat's a fantastic idea!
> I'm up for participating when that comes out
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Storm Dragon 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>> Honestly, there are not thousands of screen readers. For this survey to
>> be relevant at all, it should include as many as possible. They didn't
>> mention thunder for windows, and probably a couple others. this thing just
>> seems like a jaws popularity contest to me. and, it's not hard to add
>> another option to a survey, in fact, they probably don't even have to edit
>> the html by hand these days. I have started considering the idea of making
>> a real screen reader survey. Would be interesting to see how that goes.
>> Thanks
>> storm
>> On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:16:26AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>
>>> Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny
>>> user communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to leave
>>> out by name.  However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is that it
>>> is THE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.  There simply is no other.
>>> If you are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux and have a
>>> desktop environment installed, you are running Orca as a screenreader and
>>> magnifier.  There is currently nothing else.  Yeah, there's Emacspeak and
>>> Speakup but, they don't do the same thing.  One self voices an editor and
>>> the other is for the console, not the desktop.
>>>
>>> Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it
>>> into their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.  People
>>> come to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.  Unless
>>> something is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be taken into
>>> consideration for anyone who is designing a website.  As long as Jaws,
>>> Window eyes, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can navigate it, they
>>> will consider it a task complete from there end.  This means at-spi and
>>> Orca have to rely more heavily to web accessibility standards and do more
>>> hacks than all the others because they aren't being met half way.  Most
>>> unfortunate.
>>>
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of
>>> Willem van der Walt
>>> Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:56 AM
>>> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org
>>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen
>>> reader users, situation in South Africa
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>> I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.
>>> People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced
>>> that they require it.
>>> NVDA is gaining ground though.
>>> I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based
>>> note taker product to market.
>>> "If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment." seem to
>>> be the main idea.
>>> for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com
>>>
>>> I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept
>>> the excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy
>>> matters.
>>> The results would therefore be scued by design.
>>> Kind regards, Willem
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:
>>>
>>>  On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my
>>>>> educated guess:
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first
>>>> computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This is
>>>> also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company
>>>> who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.
>>>>
>>>> I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually
>>>> you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason to
>>>> switch.
>>>>
>>>> So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his
>>>> company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.
>>>> He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply using
>>>> a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.
>>>>
>>>> _mallory
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> orca-list mailing list
>>>> orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
>>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>> The manual is at
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
>>>> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>> The manual is at
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>>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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As for the Thunder Screen reder, that one is ending its se=
rvice sometime this year, if it hasn't yet already.

=
Speaking of ending support, Yesterday with Window-Eyes 9.2, XP support has =
been dropped.=C2=A0
So the only ones that work with XP now that h=
ave support still, are Cobra, and NVDA.
=C2=A0

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015=
 at 12:42 PM, Trenton Matthews <trentonthetman@gmail.com> wrote:
Eh, thaat=
9;s a fantastic idea!
I'm up for participating when that comes out<=
/div>


On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 11:54 AM, Storm Dragon <stormdragon2976@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi,

Honestly, there are not thousands of screen readers. For this survey to be =
relevant at all, it should include as many as possible. They didn't men=
tion thunder for windows, and probably a couple others. this thing just see=
ms like a jaws popularity contest to me. and, it's not hard to add anot=
her option to a survey, in fact, they probably don't even have to edit =
the html by hand these days. I have started considering the idea of making =
a real screen reader survey. Would be interesting to see how that goes.

Thanks

storm

On Tue, Jul 28, 2015 at 09:16:26AM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:



Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny =
user communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to leave =
out by name.=C2=A0 However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is that=
 it is THE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.=C2=A0 There simply is no =
other.=C2=A0 If you are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux a=
nd have a desktop environment installed, you are running Orca as a screenre=
ader and magnifier.=C2=A0 There is currently nothing else.=C2=A0 Yeah, ther=
e's Emacspeak and Speakup but, they don't do the same thing.=C2=A0 =
One self voices an editor and the other is for the console, not the desktop=
.



Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it int=
o their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.=C2=A0 Peopl=
e come to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.=C2=A0 Unles=
s something is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be taken int=
o consideration for anyone who is designing a website.=C2=A0 As long as Jaw=
s, Window eyes, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can navigate it, th=
ey will consider it a task complete from there end.=C2=A0 This means at-spi=
 and Orca have to rely more heavily to web accessibility standards and do m=
ore hacks than all the others because they aren't being met half way.=
=C2=A0 Most unfortunate.



Alex M



-----Original Message-----

From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Willem van der =
Walt

Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2015 2:56 AM

Cc: orca-list@gnom=
e.org

Subject: Re: [orca-list] Important: Web accessibility survey for screen rea=
der users, situation in South Africa



Hi,

I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.

People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced that t=
hey require it.

NVDA is gaining ground though.

I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based no=
te taker product to market.

"If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment."=
; seem to be the main idea.

for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com



I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept the =
excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy matters.=


The results would therefore be scued by design.

Kind regards, Willem







On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:





On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:



Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.=C2=A0 Here's m=
y educated guess:





Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first

computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This is

also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company

who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.



I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually

you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason to

switch.



So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his

company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.

He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply usi=
ng

a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.



_mallory

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The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
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Hi all,

Since I can't move the caret to the message body in evolution, because of 
bug 711350, I'm trying to use flat review and getting an orca traceback. 
I'm not sure if there is some way of doing this that I'm missing (I can 
read the header of a message but can't easily read the body). Anyway, 
there is an ancient bug in evolution which was never fixed 
(https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=347846). There was a related 
bug filed against orca--there was a work-around in orca at one point, but 
I'm seeing a traceback again in orca when trying to use flat review.

It really should be fixed in evolution. I just added a patch to the evo 
bug; hoping that the current maintainer actually gets a notification for 
it.

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This all is important of course, but I still say that no matter what happen=
s to accessibility short  of windows breaking lots of stuff putting NVDA, a=
nd=20
the expensiove ones also on a par with 2008 orca the biggest factor will co=
ntinue to be over all dominance of the home and small biz  markets. There a=
re=20
three flavors of windows who each have at least as much market share indivi=
dually as does OSX which has 4-6 times the market share as desktop Linux.=
=20
Again I'm leaving out chrome-OS because I haven't had time to investigat es=
timates of it's market share, and although I suspect that enterprize usage =
is=20
similar to that for small biz I've not looked at those stats in longer .=20
One thing that will perhaps help Linux is the continued expansion of tablet=
s in to more environments, i.e. android is what many will choose for=20
different reasons. Windows is far behind there still, andthough honestly do=
ing more right there than one might expect. I know, a large percentage of=
=20
folks do not even know that android is Linux deep down inside, nor that chr=
omeOS is for that matter, but in general I think people are opening up to=
=20
alternative opperating systems.=20
Also many software players are trying hard to make their products OS agnost=
ic; not just available on more than one OS, but giving the user a very=20
similar experience no matter whether on android or IOS or Chrome...=20
Sadly some of that last will not help us much in the short run it seems, bu=
t over the last year we have seen Orca playing nicely with more and more=20
web-apps.

As for Kendell's comment, well certainly truth there as well, but...
To a point Apple Macs have broken through  =20
Kendell said:
> hi
> This is partially true. It all comes down to the perception, accurate or =
not, that if you're blind you must use windows. How this got started I don'=
t know, but in my experience linux can do most things as well as, and in so=
me cases better than windows in terms of accessibility. Orca does a very go=
od job at what it does and I'm continually frustrated that the blind commun=
ity in particular is among the most stubborn and ungreatful of linux conver=
ts, often switching back after a few days because they "think" they need wi=
ndows for something, and trying to convince them otherwise is like talking =
to an apple fan. I've honestly gotten to where I no longer bother with them=
 directly,  I just focus on making linux better, putting as many open sourc=
e tools into sonar that I can to support as much hardware as possible, espe=
cially apple devices, where the perception is that linux can't handle those=
 devices, when in reality it can do most things with it, though not in a pr=
etty gui interface. Note that when I speak of "blind people" I'm talking ab=
out the avid windows fans, not blind people that use linux in combination w=
ith windows, but rather those who will simply not acknowledge that linux is=
 an option.
snip
I think apple got more of a foot in the door with people buying  over price=
d laptops and mac minis than they ever could have if it were not for the=20
IPhone.=20
Like it or not the IPhone has been a world wide game changer, IT and societ=
al which led to people tryingother apple stuff.
In places where there's a chance that gov will buy blind people computer ha=
rd and software ideally blinks would ask voc-rehabforcomputers with Linux=
=20
preinstalled. Of course unless you reallly dislike windows and are sure you=
 won't need it it's pretty hard to turn down a free $100 OS, and probably=
=20
free $1000 software even if you only use it once a month or once a season. =
Also most but not all blind people who are interested in Linux will have no=
=20
trouble installing it, so.........
Maybe with windows10 taking some of the more or less major cash out of thei=
r OS a bit of that temptation is removed from the equation, but some Linux=
=20
folks won't even want to deal with any gov.
I'm  warm and cool towards the FSF, but how about some very rich person or =
foundation giving them milliions to conduct a quality worldwide advertising=
=20
campaign, (probably should not contain many clips from Richard Stallman spe=
eches), and at the same time see a long term well funded project to work on=
=20
Linux accessibility.=20
The first one would need serious bucks, but in the overall  scheme of thing=
s the 2nd one could be done for very lilttle compared with a few months of =
a=20
U.S. presidential primary run, or some of the crazier Mexican campaigns for=
 that matter.
 I'm going way out in to what if teritory traveling on how about roads/will=
 shut up now.=20
    =20
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  Alex Midence wrote:
Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500

> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my educa=
ted guess:
>=20
> 1.  Windows was the first GUI-based software that had a set of viable, pr=
oduction-ready screen readers consistently for nearly a full decade before =
anyone else came along with something on another platform.  There was Slimw=
are Window Bridge, Screenpower windows, Jaws and Window Eyes all competing =
head to head with each other from about 1995 until about 1998 when W.E and =
JFW pretty much elbowed everyone else away. =20
> 2.  Apple, though it had Outspoken or Outspeak (I forget the name), didn'=
t do as good a job with their screen reader and it stopped working after a =
while until they came up with VoiceOver about 8 or 9 years ago. =20
> 3.  Around the same time Apple was coming up with Voiceover, there existe=
d two solutions for Linux, Gnopernicus and Orca.  Not sure what happened to=
 Gnopernicus but Orca took center stage and has done quite nicely though, f=
or a while there, you had to really know what you were doing to use Linux. =
 You couldn't just have any old computer user and sit them down in front of=
 a Linux machine and tell them to start working like you could and still ca=
n for Windows.  Lastly, the accessibility stack hadn't come as far as it ha=
s in the last 2 or 3  years. =20
>=20
> Simply put, windows accessibility has been around longer and in use by a =
group of folks who are leery of change since they can't be sure they will b=
e as productive as they can be in windows and therefore get very hesitant t=
o try Linux out.  Where Linux will have the greatest number of users IMHO i=
s where windows is difficult to get without breaking the law and people are=
 coming to it as their first OS.  With everyone else, it has a lot of catch=
ing up to do. =20
>=20
>=20
> Alex M
>=20
>=20
> -----Original Message-----
> From: orca-list [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of kendell=
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I actually get pretty possitive feedback on average these days when I mention accessiblity issues in general to webmasters, and others, e.g. more 
software devs than before.
Folks have a limited amount of time, and time is money, but I thinkwe are actuallly closer to getting more respect and attention than 3 or 4 years ago, 
so I do ask anyone can send inteligent respectful email when there's a problem to do so. 
Note I said inteligent and respectful, not timid. 
We may never reach critical mass to see all of our Linux accessibility dreams come true, but we sure won't if we don't try.
Be careful folks not to burn out and give up, ie. do what you can over the long haul as it will be one no matter what. Even windows users have 
accessiblity issues. 


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  Alex Midence wrote:
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> Oh, I'm sure there are some obscure screen readers out there with tiny user communities on Windows and the like whom it would make sense to leave out by name.  However, with Orca, what makes it hard to accept is that it is THE Linux screen reader for GUI platforms.  There simply is no other.  If you are a blind or visually impaired person running Linux and have a desktop environment installed, you are running Orca as a screenreader and magnifier.  There is currently nothing else.  Yeah, there's Emacspeak and Speakup but, they don't do the same thing.  One self voices an editor and the other is for the console, not the desktop.  
> 
> Truth is, this highly regarded player in web accessibility has taken it into their head that our user community is numerically irrelevant.  People come to them for advice on making their web sites accessible.  Unless something is done to change their perceptions, Orca will not be taken into consideration for anyone who is designing a website.  As long as Jaws, Window eyes, NVDA and the mobile accessibility users can navigate it, they will consider it a task complete from there end.  This means at-spi and Orca have to rely more heavily to web accessibility standards and do more hacks than all the others because they aren't being met half way.  Most unfortunate.
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> Hi,
> I am afraid the situation in South Africa is no better than elsewhere.
> People cannot afford the Windows/JAWS setup, but they seem convinced that they require it.
> NVDA is gaining ground though.
> I see a lot of this attitude as we are trying to bring a GNU/Linux-based note taker product to market.
> "If it is not using Windows, it won't work in my environment." seem to be the main idea.
> for those interested, look at http://www.sa-note.com
> 
> I also completed the survay under discussion, and simply do not accept the excuse of not listing all the screen readers available to simplefy matters.
> The results would therefore be scued by design.
> Kind regards, Willem
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 28 Jul 2015, _mallory wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 02:53:20PM -0500, Alex Midence wrote:
> >> Their devotion to Windows is due to a series of factors.  Here's my educated guess:
> >
> > Also, many people get their first screen reader and possibly first 
> > computer as a combo in school, where Windows is often default. This is 
> > also why JAWS is still big, it was something an institution/company 
> > who wanted to hire blind people would just buy as part of the deal.
> >
> > I'm sure what you get started with is a big influence: eventually 
> > you're most productive there, and you generally need some reason to 
> > switch.
> >
> > So an employee of a client of ours had to do just that, because his 
> > company uses our software which includes a client written in GTK.
> > He's still most productive in Windows and I believe he's simply using 
> > a VM to run a *buntu so he can access the client in Orca.
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> > _mallory
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I've found gpodder's interface a bit odd over the years in the way it changes depending on whether one has downloaded anyting after updating episode 
lists and other such things, but just now I noticed something new to me.
Go to the view menu, arrow up or down to 
 the all episodes item. Check it once with the spacebar, and try and uncheck, i.e. press space on this item again and it says "checked checked", and so 
far has not appeared to uncheck either in reality or how it is reported by Orca. 
I may be missunderstanding some gpodder behavior, and if not and this is a buf it's a gpodder one I think, but
I thought I'd ask here in case some can explain,  or let me know if this does appear to be a gpodder issue so I can report it to the proper authorities 
in Germany or whereever Just say that cause I heard an interview with lead dev a while ago and think that's where he's based...
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Hi All,

I've recently created a couple of new bugs in the eclipse bugzilla and
am wondering if anyone could confirm them.

- PDE: Manifest Editor issues:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473800
- package explorer looses selection when deleting items
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473802
- auto focus handling when running junit tests
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473805

Regards, Jann
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... and another one: inconsistent tab behaviour when using alt + shift
+ f1 to get the window information in PDE:
https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473858

Regards, Jann

2015-07-29 9:28 GMT+02:00, Jann Schneider :
> Hi All,
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> I've recently created a couple of new bugs in the eclipse bugzilla and
> am wondering if anyone could confirm them.
>
> - PDE: Manifest Editor issues:
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473800
> - package explorer looses selection when deleting items
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473802
> - auto focus handling when running junit tests
> https://bugs.eclipse.org/bugs/show_bug.cgi?id=473805
>
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Hi All,

does audacity work with orca?

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I think there was a discussion on this issue some days back.
Search the list.
But for sure it is accessible to my knowledge.
I think editing is possible, Don't know what all is possible, because I 
too forgot the entire discussion.
But I am also thinking of using it for some important work.
Let's see if some one who is using with orca responds.
happy hacking.
Krishnakant.


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> does audacity work with orca?
>
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I am able to use Audacity with Orca with few problems. The biggest
problem I've had is that there is no spoken indicator of which tracks
are selected and which are not, but I have been able to work around
that using control+a to select the entire editing area. Once I select
everything, I usually have no problem deselecting the tracks I don't
want. All other windows except the metadata windows when exporting a
file can be read with little to no issues, and I usually fix the
metadata with a different application. Hope this helps.
Sent from Pluto
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I've heard Pluto is lovely this time of year.
As for Audacity, I've never figured out how to select audio to copy or cut.
What's the secret sauce here?
Rill
On Wed, Jul 29, 2015 at 05:17:42PM -0400, Kyle wrote:
> I am able to use Audacity with Orca with few problems. The biggest
> problem I've had is that there is no spoken indicator of which tracks
> are selected and which are not, but I have been able to work around
> that using control+a to select the entire editing area. Once I select
> everything, I usually have no problem deselecting the tracks I don't
> want. All other windows except the metadata windows when exporting a
> file can be read with little to no issues, and I usually fix the
> metadata with a different application. Hope this helps.
> Sent from Pluto
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> orca-list@gnome.org
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> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
> The manual is at http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
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I've always selected and cut audio by sound. There are several ways to
do this. You can either press the left square bracket ([) while playing
the file to begin the selection, followed by the right square bracket
(]) to end the selection, or you may select the area you want while the
sound is not playing using the standard editor selection arrows
shift+left and shift+right. Then you refine the selection by pressing
the space bar to play it. At this point, the space bar only playes the
selected portion of the audio. To shorten the selection from the left,
use control+shift+right arrow, or to lengthen it to the left, use
shift+left arrow. To shorten the right end of the selection, use
control+shift+right arrow, and to extend it to the right, use
shift+right arrow. Change the granularity using control+1 for more fine
-grained control, control+3 for larger steps and control+2 for
something in the middle. Hope it helps.
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it does help a lot. Thanks for being so clear.

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> On Jul 29, 2015, at 4:41 PM, Kyle  wrote:
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> I've always selected and cut audio by sound. There are several ways to
> do this. You can either press the left square bracket ([) while playing
> the file to begin the selection, followed by the right square bracket
> (]) to end the selection, or you may select the area you want while the
> sound is not playing using the standard editor selection arrows
> shift+left and shift+right. Then you refine the selection by pressing
> the space bar to play it. At this point, the space bar only playes the
> selected portion of the audio. To shorten the selection from the left,
> use control+shift+right arrow, or to lengthen it to the left, use
> shift+left arrow. To shorten the right end of the selection, use
> control+shift+right arrow, and to extend it to the right, use
> shift+right arrow. Change the granularity using control+1 for more fine
> -grained control, control+3 for larger steps and control+2 for
> something in the middle. Hope it helps.
> Sent from Neptune
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Hello Juan.

Yes and no. Audacity can be used with Orca, but the access is only
so-so. There are certain dialogs that aren't very accessible with
Orca, and other times Orca and audacity work well together. So it all
depends on what you are doing and if there is a keyboard shortcut as a
workaround for some things where the screen reader access is not the
best.

Cheers!


On 7/29/15, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
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>
> does audacity work with orca?
>
> Best,
> Juan Hernandez
> Email:  juanhernandez98@gmail.com
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hi
Thomas has it right. Audacity is neither inaccessible nor fully
accessible. I think the main issue with audacity isn't with audacity
itself, but with the toolkit it uses to render it's dialogs, wxgtk.
There is an issue or series of issues that keeps wxgtk from
communicating properly with at-spi on linux and ... I'm not sure what
mac osx uses, when it tries to render lists or edit areas. It only
works properly on windows. There's an open bug against it, i'll see if
I can find a link so us blind people can start bugging them for a fix.
Once this bug is fixed, it'll make a huge difference in not only
audacity, but as of last count, the 7 zip filemanager, and the dolphin
emulator, among probably lots of others.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Thomas Ward wrote:
> Hello Juan.
> 
> Yes and no. Audacity can be used with Orca, but the access is only 
> so-so. There are certain dialogs that aren't very accessible with 
> Orca, and other times Orca and audacity work well together. So it
> all depends on what you are doing and if there is a keyboard
> shortcut as a workaround for some things where the screen reader
> access is not the best.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> 
> On 7/29/15, Juan Hernandez  wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> 
>> does audacity work with orca?
>> 
>> Best, Juan Hernandez Email:  juanhernandez98@gmail.com Cell:
>> 619-750-9431 Follow me at:  http://www.twitter.com/blindwiz 
>> friend me at:  http://www.facebook.com/blindwiz Web site:
>> http://www.juanhernandez.me
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>> list orca-list@gnome.org 
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>> manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>
>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>> 
> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> list orca-list@gnome.org 
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> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
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> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>
> 
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hi all
I've noticed a bug in the latest orca from master. Steps to reproduce:
Go to, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding.
Press o to jump to the next large object, usually text after a bunch
of links. Orca will freeze completely and will no longer speak. In
order to get speech back, I have to kill orca and speech-dispatcher in
either the run command of gome or a terminal. I can turn orca off with
the alt+windows+s shortcut, but orca won't toggle back on. This seems
to be specifically to wikipedia, because I've only noticed this on
wikipedia pages, but I could of course be wrong. I'll be happy to
provide a debug log if needed.
Thanks
Kendell clark
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Hi. this is confirmed.
I can restart orca pressing ctrl+alt+u, my shortcut configured to 
restart orca.

On 07/29/2015 10:44 PM, kendell clark wrote:
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> hi all
> I've noticed a bug in the latest orca from master. Steps to reproduce:
> Go to, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding.
> Press o to jump to the next large object, usually text after a bunch
> of links. Orca will freeze completely and will no longer speak. In
> order to get speech back, I have to kill orca and speech-dispatcher in
> either the run command of gome or a terminal. I can turn orca off with
> the alt+windows+s shortcut, but orca won't toggle back on. This seems
> to be specifically to wikipedia, because I've only noticed this on
> wikipedia pages, but I could of course be wrong. I'll be happy to
> provide a debug log if needed.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
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I'll fix it.

Thanks!
- --joanie

On 07/29/2015 09:51 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
> Hi. this is confirmed. I can restart orca pressing ctrl+alt+u, my
> shortcut configured to restart orca.
> 
> On 07/29/2015 10:44 PM, kendell clark wrote: hi all I've noticed a
> bug in the latest orca from master. Steps to reproduce: Go to,
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding. Press o
> to jump to the next large object, usually text after a bunch of
> links. Orca will freeze completely and will no longer speak. In 
> order to get speech back, I have to kill orca and speech-dispatcher
> in either the run command of gome or a terminal. I can turn orca
> off with the alt+windows+s shortcut, but orca won't toggle back on.
> This seems to be specifically to wikipedia, because I've only
> noticed this on wikipedia pages, but I could of course be wrong.
> I'll be happy to provide a debug log if needed. Thanks Kendell
> clark
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>>
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Should be fixed in master.
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On 07/29/2015 10:03 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
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> 
> Thanks!
> --joanie
> 
> On 07/29/2015 09:51 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>> Hi. this is confirmed. I can restart orca pressing ctrl+alt+u, my
>> shortcut configured to restart orca.
> 
>> On 07/29/2015 10:44 PM, kendell clark wrote: hi all I've noticed a
>> bug in the latest orca from master. Steps to reproduce: Go to,
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding. Press o
>> to jump to the next large object, usually text after a bunch of
>> links. Orca will freeze completely and will no longer speak. In 
>> order to get speech back, I have to kill orca and speech-dispatcher
>> in either the run command of gome or a terminal. I can turn orca
>> off with the alt+windows+s shortcut, but orca won't toggle back on.
>> This seems to be specifically to wikipedia, because I've only
>> noticed this on wikipedia pages, but I could of course be wrong.
>> I'll be happy to provide a debug log if needed. Thanks Kendell
>> clark
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Fixed, thanks.
Time to sleep, at least for me!

On 07/29/2015 11:18 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
> Should be fixed in master.
> --joanie
>
> On 07/29/2015 10:03 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>> I'll fix it.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> --joanie
>>
>> On 07/29/2015 09:51 PM, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza wrote:
>>> Hi. this is confirmed. I can restart orca pressing ctrl+alt+u, my
>>> shortcut configured to restart orca.
>>> On 07/29/2015 10:44 PM, kendell clark wrote: hi all I've noticed a
>>> bug in the latest orca from master. Steps to reproduce: Go to,
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding. Press o
>>> to jump to the next large object, usually text after a bunch of
>>> links. Orca will freeze completely and will no longer speak. In
>>> order to get speech back, I have to kill orca and speech-dispatcher
>>> in either the run command of gome or a terminal. I can turn orca
>>> off with the alt+windows+s shortcut, but orca won't toggle back on.
>>> This seems to be specifically to wikipedia, because I've only
>>> noticed this on wikipedia pages, but I could of course be wrong.
>>> I'll be happy to provide a debug log if needed. Thanks Kendell
>>> clark
>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>>>> list orca-list@gnome.org
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>>> manual is at
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>
>>>>
>> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>
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Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza

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hi
Confirmed, it's been fixed! Kyle also says this fixes a similar issue
with google play, although with taht site orca will eventually come
back. It may have come back if I'd waited long enough, but anyway,
it's fixed. Thanks a lot joanie, great work!
Thanks
Kendell clark


José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
> Fixed, thanks. Time to sleep, at least for me!
> 
> On 07/29/2015 11:18 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>> Should be fixed in master. --joanie
>> 
>> On 07/29/2015 10:03 PM, Joanmarie Diggs wrote:
>>> I'll fix it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks! --joanie
>>> 
>>> On 07/29/2015 09:51 PM, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote:
>>>> Hi. this is confirmed. I can restart orca pressing
>>>> ctrl+alt+u, my shortcut configured to restart orca. On
>>>> 07/29/2015 10:44 PM, kendell clark wrote: hi all I've noticed
>>>> a bug in the latest orca from master. Steps to reproduce: Go
>>>> to, 
>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_Efficiency_Video_Coding.
>>>> Press o to jump to the next large object, usually text after
>>>> a bunch of links. Orca will freeze completely and will no
>>>> longer speak. In order to get speech back, I have to kill
>>>> orca and speech-dispatcher in either the run command of gome
>>>> or a terminal. I can turn orca off with the alt+windows+s
>>>> shortcut, but orca won't toggle back on. This seems to be
>>>> specifically to wikipedia, because I've only noticed this on
>>>> wikipedia pages, but I could of course be wrong. I'll be
>>>> happy to provide a debug log if needed. Thanks Kendell clark
>>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
>>>>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit 
>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca.
>>>>> The manual is at 
>>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>>>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
>>>>> Find out how to help at
>>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
>>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>> manual is at 
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>
>>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
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Hi

not quite sure if this is the proper name for this feature but i
believe it's clear what i mean: the ability to pass a keystroke to the
current application instead of having orca processing it.
I'm just wondering if it would be possible to add a kind of sticky
pass key mode. This might be helpful in cases where you want to pass
some keys again and again.
Well, i have no current usecase for this - just thought about this as
an possible improovement...

All the best
Jann
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Dear friends,
      Our current accessible XBoard is passing the information to
screen reader via a status bar located at the bottom side of XBoard.
But this extra widget is bit annoying for sighted users. So I
discussed this issue with Joanmarie and finally we decided to make
this widget hidden and make orca read notification from invisible
status bar too. see following links

https://github.com/GNOME/orca/commit/52064c1e1903d28fdc482a9d9b76569524270413
https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752211

So now the widget will be hidden and orca will announce the messages
from XBoard. Also one can make it show by checking "Show Status Bar"
menu item in Accessibility menu. The patch for XBoard is attached with
this mail.

The HG Muller one of the core developer of XBoard and mentor of mine,
said that there are some sighted users who use sensory physical board
with XBoard to play chess, and they too requested for the TTS feature.
So I have added a new check menu item named "Announce Move" in options
menu and one can simply enable it. Currently it uses direct espeak
command. Later we can make this through Speech Dispatcher(gnu/linux)
or SAPI(windows).


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can one pull from git and get the changes, or does one have to apply this patch?
Thanks/great job sticking with this till it's reeally right for everyone.


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  Nalin.x.Linux wrote:
Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 11:46:59AM +0530

> Dear friends,
>       Our current accessible XBoard is passing the information to
> screen reader via a status bar located at the bottom side of XBoard.
> But this extra widget is bit annoying for sighted users. So I
> discussed this issue with Joanmarie and finally we decided to make
> this widget hidden and make orca read notification from invisible
> status bar too. see following links
> 
> https://github.com/GNOME/orca/commit/52064c1e1903d28fdc482a9d9b76569524270413
> https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=752211
> 
> So now the widget will be hidden and orca will announce the messages
> from XBoard. Also one can make it show by checking "Show Status Bar"
> menu item in Accessibility menu. The patch for XBoard is attached with
> this mail.
> 
> The HG Muller one of the core developer of XBoard and mentor of mine,
> said that there are some sighted users who use sensory physical board
> with XBoard to play chess, and they too requested for the TTS feature.
> So I have added a new check menu item named "Announce Move" in options
> menu and one can simply enable it. Currently it uses direct espeak
> command. Later we can make this through Speech Dispatcher(gnu/linux)
> or SAPI(windows).
> 
> 
> -- 
> Free Software Free Society

> diff --git a/accessibility.c b/accessibility.c
> index ef26fbc..c84aea4 100644
> --- a/accessibility.c
> +++ b/accessibility.c
> @@ -901,7 +901,8 @@ SayMachineMove(int evenIfDuplicate)
>  	    } else {
>  		/* starts not with digit */
>  		if(StrCaseStr(lastMsg, "illegal")) PlayIcsUnfinishedSound();
> -		set_accessible_description(lastMsg, TRUE);
> +		SayMoveDetailed(currentMove-1);
> +		//set_accessible_description(lastMsg, TRUE);
>  	    }
>  }
>  
> diff --git a/args.h b/args.h
> index bd5b4e7..1aad301 100644
> --- a/args.h
> +++ b/args.h
> @@ -314,6 +314,8 @@ ArgDescriptor argDescriptors[] = {
>    { "xcoords", ArgFalse, (void *) &appData.showCoords, FALSE, INVALID },
>    { "-coords", ArgFalse, (void *) &appData.showCoords, FALSE, INVALID },
>    { "showThinking", ArgBoolean, (void *) &appData.showThinking, TRUE, (ArgIniType) FALSE },
> +  { "showAccessibilityStatusbar", ArgBoolean, (void *) &appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar, TRUE, (ArgIniType) FALSE },
> +  { "AnnounceMove", ArgBoolean, (void *) &appData.announceMove, TRUE, (ArgIniType) FALSE }, //text to speech
>    { "thinking", ArgTrue, (void *) &appData.showThinking, FALSE, INVALID },
>    { "xthinking", ArgFalse, (void *) &appData.showThinking, FALSE, INVALID },
>    { "-thinking", ArgFalse, (void *) &appData.showThinking, FALSE, INVALID },
> diff --git a/common.h b/common.h
> index ff2b34c..1084ffa 100644
> --- a/common.h
> +++ b/common.h
> @@ -552,6 +552,8 @@ typedef struct {
>      Boolean oneClick;
>      Boolean quietPlay;
>      Boolean showThinking;
> +    Boolean showAccessibilityStatusbar;
> +    Boolean announceMove; //text to speech
>      Boolean ponderNextMove;
>      Boolean periodicUpdates;
>      Boolean autoObserve;
> diff --git a/dialogs.c b/dialogs.c
> index d2e36ba..bdfd5bf 100644
> --- a/dialogs.c
> +++ b/dialogs.c
> @@ -3085,5 +3085,24 @@ void set_accessible_description(char *mess, int flag)
>  	}
>  		
>  	notify_accessible_description(&mainOptions[W_ACC_TITLE],buf);
> +	
> +	
> +	char tts_buf[8000];
> +	if(appData.announceMove)
> +	{
> +		system("pkill paplay");
> +		//sprintf(tts_buf,"pico2wave -l en-GB -w info.wav '%s' && paplay info.wav &",val);
> +		sprintf(tts_buf,"espeak '%s' --stdout | paplay &",buf);
> +		system(tts_buf);
> +	}
> +	
>  	buf[0] = NULLCHAR;	
>  }
> +
> +
> +void
> +ShowAccessibilityStatusbarEvent ()
> +{
> +	printf("\nAccessibilityStatusbar = %d", appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar);
> +	show_hide_accessibility_status_bar(&mainOptions[W_ACC_TITLE],appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar);
> +}
> diff --git a/gtk/xoptions.c b/gtk/xoptions.c
> index 51b9781..f563ff4 100644
> --- a/gtk/xoptions.c
> +++ b/gtk/xoptions.c
> @@ -982,6 +982,17 @@ void notify_accessible_description(Option *opt, char *val)
>  	//system(buf);
>  }
>  
> +void 
> +show_hide_accessibility_status_bar(Option *opt,int val)
> +{	
> +	if (val){
> +		gtk_widget_show(GTK_WIDGET(opt->handle));
> +	}
> +	else{
> +		gtk_widget_hide(GTK_WIDGET(opt->handle));
> +	}
> +}
> +
>  void GenericCallback(GtkWidget *widget, gpointer gdata)
>  {
>      const gchar *name;
> diff --git a/menus.c b/menus.c
> index 1439873..71df285 100644
> --- a/menus.c
> +++ b/menus.c
> @@ -401,6 +401,22 @@ NothingProc ()
>  #   define MARK_MENU_ITEM(X,Y) MarkMenuItem(X, Y)
>  #endif
>  
> +
> +void
> +ShowAccessibilityStatusbarProc ()
> +{
> +  appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar = !appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar;
> +  ShowAccessibilityStatusbarEvent();
> +  MARK_MENU_ITEM("Accessibility.ShowAccessibilityStatusbar", appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar);
> +}
> +
> +void
> +AnnounceMoveProc ()
> +{
> +  appData.announceMove = !appData.announceMove;
> +  MARK_MENU_ITEM("Options.AnnounceMove", appData.announceMove);
> +}
> +
>  void
>  PonderNextMoveProc ()
>  {
> @@ -752,12 +768,15 @@ MenuItem optionsMenu[] = {
>    {N_("Test Legality"),          "l",  "TestLegality",        TestLegalityProc},
>    {"----",                        NULL,              NULL,                 NothingProc},
>  #endif
> +  {N_("Announce Move"),       	  NULL,             "AnnounceMove",        AnnounceMoveProc,        CHECK },
>    {N_("Save Settings Now"),       NULL,             "SaveSettingsNow",     SaveSettingsProc},
>    {N_("Save Settings on Exit"),   NULL,             "SaveSettingsonExit",  SaveOnExitProc,         CHECK },
>    {NULL,                          NULL,              NULL,                 NULL}
>  };
>  
>  MenuItem accessibilityMenu[] = {
> +  {N_("Show Status Bar"),	 NULL,   "ShowAccessibilityStatusbar", ShowAccessibilityStatusbarProc,			CHECK},
> +  {"----",                   NULL,       NULL,                    NothingProc},	
>    {N_("SayClockTime"),		 "t",   "SayClockTime",          SayClockTime},
>    {"----",                   NULL,       NULL,                    NothingProc},
>    {N_("SayWhosTurn"),		 "m",   "SayWhosTurn",    SayWhosTurn},
> @@ -1341,6 +1360,15 @@ InitMenuMarkers()
>      if (saveSettingsOnExit) {
>  	MarkMenuItem("Options.SaveSettingsonExit", True);
>      }
> +    
> +    if (appData.announceMove) {
> +	MarkMenuItem("Options.AnnounceMove", True);
> +	}
> +	
> +    if (appData.showAccessibilityStatusbar) {
> +	MarkMenuItem("Accessibility.ShowAccessibilityStatusbar", True);
> +	}
> +    ShowAccessibilityStatusbarEvent();
>      EnableNamedMenuItem("File.SaveSelected", False);
>  
>      // all XBoard builds get here, but not WinBoard...

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On Fri, Jul 31, 2015 at 12:49 PM, B. Henry  wrote:
> can one pull from git and get the changes, or does one have to apply this patch?
> Thanks/great job sticking with this till it's reeally right for everyone.
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Yea. you have to do both pull the repo and apply the patch. Note that
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Hello,
This message most likelly comes late as I assume implementation of this 
has already started but I'll try to describe what I like anyway.

Currently within screen reader preferences dialog on the text attributes 
tab we do have a list with checkable items representing text attributes 
e.g. font family, underline, bold, foreground / background color etc. 
What is checked in this list is being examined on the current caret 
position and reported when pressing orca+f keyboard shortcut inside a 
document. I think when orca+f is pressed all the attributes orca can 
retrieve should be reported.
This list however should stay there and instead controlling what is 
reported on orca+f key press it should control what will be reported in 
this so called proof reading mode.
It should be reported in speech and most likelly in braille as well. I 
don't own a braille device so I can't give better suggestion on braille. 
But when reporting in speech I imagine it to work like this.

Imagine we do have the following text
Hello, This is bold and this is blue.
The word bold is written in bold and the foreground color of word blue 
is blue.

If the default color is black, we do have foreground color and bold 
checked within the list I am tallking about all the time then reading 
this line should yeeld the following via speech
Hello, This is bold bold no bold and this is blue blue black.

When navigating by characters or other units this should also apply 
meaning orca will always query the formatting on the current caret 
position and it should compare it to the formatting on the previous 
caret position.
So for example when navigating over these three words within the same 
formatted text
is bold and
by character you will get something like
i s space bold b o l d no bold space a n d

This might be difficult to explain so if you think I should describe it 
in other words or give more examples please ask. What I like is highly 
inspired by how NVDA is working on windows.

Thanks and greetings

Peter

On 28.07.2015 at 15:21 Fernando Botelho wrote:
> Joanie,
>
> My suggestion would be to have Orca indicate capitalization. Saying 
> cap or beeping is too annoying to have it happen all the time. But if 
> that could be on by default on a proofreading mode, it would be great.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Fernando
>
>
> On 07/28/2015 08:26 AM, Milton wrote:
>> It will be great to have proofreading! Orca can left out words like 
>> 'is, and, but, not underlined'. Many thanks.
>> Milton
>>
>> Op 28-07-15 om 01:53 schreef Joanmarie Diggs:
>>> Hey all.
>>>
>>> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
>>>
>>> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of text 
>>> attributes.
>>>
>>> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.
>>>
>>> With respect to the second one, consider the following example:
>>>
>>> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
>>>
>>> Formatting:
>>> * "world" is bold
>>> * "is" is italics
>>> * "very" is underlined and orange
>>> * "shiny" is orange (but not underlined)
>>>
>>> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> --joanie
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Hello,

One thing I forgot to mention.

h.g.muller@hccnet.nl, le Thu 30 Jul 2015 13:10:25 +0200, a crit :
> 2) Messages spoken in response to activation of menu items specifically
> targeting accessibility functions. Such as reading aloud of the entire
> board position, the current row or column, the pieces attacked by the
> currently selected piece, or those attacking it, etc.
[...]
> 3) Auditory feedback on the 'board cursor' navigation in response to the
> arrow keay.
[...]
> 4)Messages spontaneously announced by XBoard on a not-directly
> user-triggered event,
[...]

That is when a disabled user uses audio feedback.  Other disabled users
might be using braille, or whatever other kind of device to transmit
text to them, you can never know how that happens.  That's another
reason why the duty to choose how to transmit information is given to
the screen reader: that one was configure to transmit the information
the way the user can get it.

Since we can hide the notification widget and still get orca to read it
(being worked on, but will succeed), is there a reason not to do it?

Samuel
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hi
I agree with peter. I'm curious how this proofreading mode will work.
Will it be a separate mode, like browse mode and focus mode, activated
via a keystroke, or a mode that orca enters into automatically when a
particular application or document is opened? Or will it be all of
them, configurable by the individual user? Regardless of the answer, I
can't wait to try this out.
Thanks
Kendell clark


Peter Vágner wrote:
> Hello, This message most likelly comes late as I assume
> implementation of this has already started but I'll try to describe
> what I like anyway.
> 
> Currently within screen reader preferences dialog on the text
> attributes tab we do have a list with checkable items representing
> text attributes e.g. font family, underline, bold, foreground /
> background color etc. What is checked in this list is being
> examined on the current caret position and reported when pressing
> orca+f keyboard shortcut inside a document. I think when orca+f is
> pressed all the attributes orca can retrieve should be reported. 
> This list however should stay there and instead controlling what
> is reported on orca+f key press it should control what will be
> reported in this so called proof reading mode. It should be
> reported in speech and most likelly in braille as well. I don't own
> a braille device so I can't give better suggestion on braille. But
> when reporting in speech I imagine it to work like this.
> 
> Imagine we do have the following text Hello, This is bold and this
> is blue. The word bold is written in bold and the foreground color
> of word blue is blue.
> 
> If the default color is black, we do have foreground color and
> bold checked within the list I am tallking about all the time then
> reading this line should yeeld the following via speech Hello, This
> is bold bold no bold and this is blue blue black.
> 
> When navigating by characters or other units this should also
> apply meaning orca will always query the formatting on the current
> caret position and it should compare it to the formatting on the
> previous caret position. So for example when navigating over these
> three words within the same formatted text is bold and by character
> you will get something like i s space bold b o l d no bold space a
> n d
> 
> This might be difficult to explain so if you think I should
> describe it in other words or give more examples please ask. What I
> like is highly inspired by how NVDA is working on windows.
> 
> Thanks and greetings
> 
> Peter
> 
> On 28.07.2015 at 15:21 Fernando Botelho wrote:
>> Joanie,
>> 
>> My suggestion would be to have Orca indicate capitalization.
>> Saying cap or beeping is too annoying to have it happen all the
>> time. But if that could be on by default on a proofreading mode,
>> it would be great.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Fernando
>> 
>> 
>> On 07/28/2015 08:26 AM, Milton wrote:
>>> It will be great to have proofreading! Orca can left out words
>>> like 'is, and, but, not underlined'. Many thanks. Milton
>>> 
>>> Op 28-07-15 om 01:53 schreef Joanmarie Diggs:
>>>> Hey all.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
>>>> 
>>>> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of
>>>> text attributes.
>>>> 
>>>> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.
>>>> 
>>>> With respect to the second one, consider the following
>>>> example:
>>>> 
>>>> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
>>>> 
>>>> Formatting: * "world" is bold * "is" is italics * "very" is
>>>> underlined and orange * "shiny" is orange (but not
>>>> underlined)
>>>> 
>>>> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks! --joanie 
>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
>>>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>>> manual is at 
>>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>>
>>>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org 
>>>> Find out how to help at
>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
>>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org 
>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>>> manual is at 
>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>>
>>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>> 
>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
>> list orca-list@gnome.org 
>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
>> manual is at 
>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>>
>> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> 
> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> list orca-list@gnome.org 
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
> is at 
> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
>
> 
The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hello,

I am sorry I've used the word mode where it is not appropriate at all. By
saying proof reading mode I've implicitly caused you to expect another mode
which might complement focus and browse mode. I think focus vs browse mode
is a kind of a toggle and no more switches should be added into this set of
switches. This proof reading thing is something that will most likelly
dramatically affect performance. So I expect an option saying something
like Report text attributes after the cursor in the screen reader
preferences window, hopefully on the text attributes tab. It should be
disabled by default. You can then enable it when you need it. You might
also like to create proofreading settings profile where you would also like
to adjust speech parameters and even something else. So this is where
existing feature settings profiles comes into play.

Anyway this is just how I am imagining this feature. I don't know all the
platform specific details and accessibility API's features, so if at all
and how it will be implemented we will see as Joanie gets to it.

Thanks and greetings

Peter
D=C5=88a 31.7.2015 12:43 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=BE "kendell clark" 
nap=C3=ADsal:

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>
> hi
> I agree with peter. I'm curious how this proofreading mode will work.
> Will it be a separate mode, like browse mode and focus mode, activated
> via a keystroke, or a mode that orca enters into automatically when a
> particular application or document is opened? Or will it be all of
> them, configurable by the individual user? Regardless of the answer, I
> can't wait to try this out.
> Thanks
> Kendell clark
>
>
> Peter V=C3=A1gner wrote:
> > Hello, This message most likelly comes late as I assume
> > implementation of this has already started but I'll try to describe
> > what I like anyway.
> >
> > Currently within screen reader preferences dialog on the text
> > attributes tab we do have a list with checkable items representing
> > text attributes e.g. font family, underline, bold, foreground /
> > background color etc. What is checked in this list is being
> > examined on the current caret position and reported when pressing
> > orca+f keyboard shortcut inside a document. I think when orca+f is
> > pressed all the attributes orca can retrieve should be reported.
> > This list however should stay there and instead controlling what
> > is reported on orca+f key press it should control what will be
> > reported in this so called proof reading mode. It should be
> > reported in speech and most likelly in braille as well. I don't own
> > a braille device so I can't give better suggestion on braille. But
> > when reporting in speech I imagine it to work like this.
> >
> > Imagine we do have the following text Hello, This is bold and this
> > is blue. The word bold is written in bold and the foreground color
> > of word blue is blue.
> >
> > If the default color is black, we do have foreground color and
> > bold checked within the list I am tallking about all the time then
> > reading this line should yeeld the following via speech Hello, This
> > is bold bold no bold and this is blue blue black.
> >
> > When navigating by characters or other units this should also
> > apply meaning orca will always query the formatting on the current
> > caret position and it should compare it to the formatting on the
> > previous caret position. So for example when navigating over these
> > three words within the same formatted text is bold and by character
> > you will get something like i s space bold b o l d no bold space a
> > n d
> >
> > This might be difficult to explain so if you think I should
> > describe it in other words or give more examples please ask. What I
> > like is highly inspired by how NVDA is working on windows.
> >
> > Thanks and greetings
> >
> > Peter
> >
> > On 28.07.2015 at 15:21 Fernando Botelho wrote:
> >> Joanie,
> >>
> >> My suggestion would be to have Orca indicate capitalization.
> >> Saying cap or beeping is too annoying to have it happen all the
> >> time. But if that could be on by default on a proofreading mode,
> >> it would be great.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Fernando
> >>
> >>
> >> On 07/28/2015 08:26 AM, Milton wrote:
> >>> It will be great to have proofreading! Orca can left out words
> >>> like 'is, and, but, not underlined'. Many thanks. Milton
> >>>
> >>> Op 28-07-15 om 01:53 schreef Joanmarie Diggs:
> >>>> Hey all.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
> >>>>
> >>>> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navigation of
> >>>> text attributes.
> >>>>
> >>>> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.
> >>>>
> >>>> With respect to the second one, consider the following
> >>>> example:
> >>>>
> >>>> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."
> >>>>
> >>>> Formatting: * "world" is bold * "is" is italics * "very" is
> >>>> underlined and orange * "shiny" is orange (but not
> >>>> underlined)
> >>>>
> >>>> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enabled?
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks! --joanie
> >>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
> >>>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> >>>> manual is at
> >>>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>>
> >>>>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org
> >>>> Find out how to help at
> >>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> _______________________________________________ orca-list
> >>> mailing list orca-list@gnome.org
> >>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> >>> manual is at
> >>> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>>
> >>>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> >>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >>
> >> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> >> list orca-list@gnome.org
> >> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The
> >> manual is at
> >> http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >>
> >>
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> >> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find
> >> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
> >
> > _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing
> > list orca-list@gnome.org
> > https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit
> > http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manual
> > is at
> > http://library.gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html
> >
> >
> The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/FrequentlyAskedQuestions
> > Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find out
> > how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
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Hello,


I am sorry I've used the word mode where it is not appro=
priate at all. By saying proof reading mode I've implicitly caused you =
to expect another mode which might complement focus and browse mode. I thin=
k focus vs browse mode is a kind of a toggle and no more switches should be=
 added into this set of switches. This proof reading thing is something tha=
t will most likelly dramatically affect performance. So I expect an option =
saying something like Report text attributes after the cursor in the screen=
 reader preferences window, hopefully on the text attributes tab. It should=
 be disabled by default. You can then enable it when you need it. You might=
 also like to create proofreading settings profile where you would also lik=
e to adjust speech parameters and even something else. So this is where exi=
sting feature settings profiles comes into play.


Anyway this is just how I am imagining this feature. I don&#=
39;t know all the platform specific details and accessibility API's fea=
tures, so if at all and how it will be implemented we will see as Joanie ge=
ts to it.


Thanks and greetings


Peter


D=C5=88a 31.7.2015 12:43 pou=C5=BE=C3=ADvate=C4=
=BE "kendell clark" <coffeekingms@gmail.com> nap=C3=ADsal:
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Hash: SHA512



hi

I agree with peter. I'm curious how this proofreading mode will work.
Will it be a separate mode, like browse mode and focus mode, activated

via a keystroke, or a mode that orca enters into automatically when a

particular application or document is opened? Or will it be all of

them, configurable by the individual user? Regardless of the answer, I

can't wait to try this out.

Thanks

Kendell clark





Peter V=C3=A1gner wrote:

> Hello, This message most likelly comes late as I assume

> implementation of this has already started but I'll try to describ=
e

> what I like anyway.

>

> Currently within screen reader preferences dialog on the text

> attributes tab we do have a list with checkable items representing

> text attributes e.g. font family, underline, bold, foreground /

> background color etc. What is checked in this list is being

> examined on the current caret position and reported when pressing

> orca+f keyboard shortcut inside a document. I think when orca+f is

> pressed all the attributes orca can retrieve should be reported.

> This list however should stay there and instead controlling what

> is reported on orca+f key press it should control what will be

> reported in this so called proof reading mode. It should be

> reported in speech and most likelly in braille as well. I don't ow=
n

> a braille device so I can't give better suggestion on braille. But=


> when reporting in speech I imagine it to work like this.

>

> Imagine we do have the following text Hello, This is bold and this

> is blue. The word bold is written in bold and the foreground color

> of word blue is blue.

>

> If the default color is black, we do have foreground color and

> bold checked within the list I am tallking about all the time then

> reading this line should yeeld the following via speech Hello, This
> is bold bold no bold and this is blue blue black.

>

> When navigating by characters or other units this should also

> apply meaning orca will always query the formatting on the current

> caret position and it should compare it to the formatting on the

> previous caret position. So for example when navigating over these

> three words within the same formatted text is bold and by character
> you will get something like i s space bold b o l d no bold space a

> n d

>

> This might be difficult to explain so if you think I should

> describe it in other words or give more examples please ask. What I
> like is highly inspired by how NVDA is working on windows.

>

> Thanks and greetings

>

> Peter

>

> On 28.07.2015 at 15:21 Fernando Botelho wrote:

>> Joanie,

>>

>> My suggestion would be to have Orca indicate capitalization.

>> Saying cap or beeping is too annoying to have it happen all the
>> time. But if that could be on by default on a proofreading mode,
>> it would be great.

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>> Fernando

>>

>>

>> On 07/28/2015 08:26 AM, Milton wrote:

>>> It will be great to have proofreading! Orca can left out words=


>>> like 'is, and, but, not underlined'. Many thanks. Milt=
on

>>>

>>> Op 28-07-15 om 01:53 schreef Joanmarie Diggs:

>>>> Hey all.

>>>>

>>>> I'm implementing some proofreading features in Orca:
>>>>

>>>> 1. A "list of" dialog for quick review and navig=
ation of

>>>> text attributes.

>>>>

>>>> 2. An option to have attributes read along with the text.<=
br>
>>>>

>>>> With respect to the second one, consider the following

>>>> example:

>>>>

>>>> Text: "Hello world! This is a very shiny test."<=
br>
>>>>

>>>> Formatting: * "world" is bold * "is" i=
s italics * "very" is

>>>> underlined and orange * "shiny" is orange (but n=
ot

>>>> underlined)

>>>>

>>>> What should Orca say if this proofreading option is enable=
d?

>>>>

>>>> Thanks! --joanie

>>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list<=
br>
>>>> mailing list orca-l=
ist@gnome.org

>>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/lis=
tinfo/orca-list Visit

>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Or=
ca. The

>>>> manual is at

>>>> http://library.=
gnome.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>>>>

>>>>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions

>>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org=


>>>> Find out how to help at

>>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp
>>>>

>>>

>>> _______________________________________________ orca-list

>>> mailing list orca-list@=
gnome.org

>>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinf=
o/orca-list Visit

>>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. =
The

>>> manual is at

>>> http://library.gnom=
e.org/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>>>

>>>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions

>>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org=
 Find

>>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/How=
CanIHelp

>>

>> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing<=
br>
>> list orca-list@gnome.org

>> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/o=
rca-list Visit

>> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. Th=
e

>> manual is at

>> http://library.gnome.or=
g/users/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>>

>>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions

>> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Fin=
d

>> out how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanI=
Help

>

> _______________________________________________ orca-list mailing

> list orca-list@gnome.org
> https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-l=
ist Visit

> http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca. The manu=
al

> is at

> http://library.gnome.org/us=
ers/gnome-access-guide/nightly/ats-2.html

>

>

The FAQ is at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Frequent=
lyAskedQuestions

> Log bugs and feature requests at http://bugzilla.gnome.org Find ou=
t

> how to help at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/HowCanIHelp

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Hi all!

i'm glad to announce the first version of a new feature that improoves
eclipses accessibility for blind users. I've developed this feature at
work and have been using it for quite a long time now. Recently my
company granted me the permission to release this feature licensed
under the LGPL. This feature is not OS dependend.

The feature is called "Overviewruler feature" and provides the ruler
at the right hand of the java editor in an accessible way: that is it
opens up a popup very similar to the outline where you can select any
markers found in the current editor (errors / warnings / todos /
fixmes / search results).

For more information see this quickstart guide:
https://github.com/nblix/overviewruler/wiki/Overviewruler---Quickstart

Feel free to contact me if you encounter any problems or want to
suggest any improovements etc.

All the best
Jann