From derekedit@hotmail.com Fri Aug 1 02:29:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D56957500BA for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:29:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -96.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-96.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_80=2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.54.246.108] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id J5ohJ5cmugG4 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:29:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com (bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com [65.54.246.108]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C0CC750090 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:29:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BAY101-DS3 ([64.4.56.90]) by bay0-omc1-s36.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Thu, 31 Jul 2008 19:29:15 -0700 X-Originating-IP: [68.60.182.181] X-Originating-Email: [derekedit@hotmail.com] Message-ID: From: "Derek London" To: Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 22:29:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8F35C.DC406E50" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 12.0.1606 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V12.0.1606 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 01 Aug 2008 02:29:15.0060 (UTC) FILETIME=[64153740:01C8F37E] Subject: [orca-list] testing please ignore X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:29:53 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8F35C.DC406E50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Erm yeah see above. Not getting all the messages from the list. So this is a test, please = ignore. :P ------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8F35C.DC406E50 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Erm = yeah see=20 above.
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------=_NextPart_000_001C_01C8F35C.DC406E50-- From lists@digitaldarragh.com Fri Aug 1 05:39:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C356A750030 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:39:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 3474 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZLuBgIcRs1Ux for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:39:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E1EB7750085 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 05:39:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.8.238] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KOnLg-0004YR-Jw; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:38:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:38:51 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <3E931FD9DF4A4FACB05CC056F7C7D397@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Accessible Installation, not Ubuntu thread-index: AcjzVs5PZ0UOeKsGQCeHHfDo3Er6igAQWIdg References: <003001c8f2f7$a38d27c0$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> <3E931FD9DF4A4FACB05CC056F7C7D397@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: , "Orca List" X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Installation, not Ubuntu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 05:39:19 -0000 Jos=E9,=20 Further to writing that blog post, I can now report that the wireless = card still did not work out of the box in Fedora. It took a lot of = messing around to get it. Well, it did until found a really simple = solution. =20 What card are you using? Is it one of the Broadcom cards?=20 Installing Fedora can certainly be done without sighted assistance. = Visit www.speakupmodified.org and look at the howto there. You'll need = to download their well prepared Speakup modified Fedora images though = and from here anyway, I always get a very slow download rate. Pity = their not hosted on heanet.ie or something like that...=20 The only thing with installing Fedora with speakup is for the moment, = you still need a hardware synthesizer. =20 If you have Braille, you could look at OpenSuSE 11 from DVD or the Live = CD with Gnome is also accessible. =20 Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Call +353(0)87-767-0464 Email: d@digitaldarragh.com Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza Sent: 31 July 2008 22:46 To: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Installation, not Ubuntu Hi, I heard about fedora 9 but I'm not sure. I'd like to hear about this=20 subject because in my first try with Ubuntu I had problems with my=20 wireless connection. Perhaps another distro could help. I read something about this in the=20 following URL: http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/04/Fedora9OrcaAndSpeakup.aspx E.J. Zufelt wrote: > Good morning, > > Is there a linux distro, other than Ubuntu, that has an accessible > installer? > > Thanks, > Everett > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From vilmar@informal.com.br Fri Aug 1 06:13:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 234AA750099 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:13:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 896 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F2qOD2e5eTtt for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:13:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16C6275008E for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:13:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 557CC3EA04D; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 03:12:55 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ODgZhcVQnd3H; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 03:12:53 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [189.25.134.28]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 0DBAF2A0608; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 03:12:52 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <4892A969.6090205@informal.com.br> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 03:12:57 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (Windows; 2008072908) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darragh References: <003001c8f2f7$a38d27c0$0a02a8c0@everett704e491> <3E931FD9DF4A4FACB05CC056F7C7D397@digitaldarragh.local> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080731-0, 07/31/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Installation, not Ubuntu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:13:33 -0000 Hi Darragh, I'm using a D-link DWA-110. It is connected to my PC via a USB=20 adapter. The card is recognized, the network is shown by=20 network-manager but I can not connect to the internet. I suspect that=20 the problem is related to authentication. If I reboot my PC using=20 windows I had no problems. Thanks. Darragh wrote: > Jos=E9, > > Further to writing that blog post, I can now report that the wireless c= ard still did not work out of the box in Fedora. It took a lot of messi= ng around to get it. Well, it did until found a really simple solution.= > > What card are you using? Is it one of the Broadcom cards? > > Installing Fedora can certainly be done without sighted assistance. Vi= sit www.speakupmodified.org and look at the howto there. You'll need to = download their well prepared Speakup modified Fedora images though and fr= om here anyway, I always get a very slow download rate. Pity their not h= osted on heanet.ie or something like that... > > The only thing with installing Fedora with speakup is for the moment, y= ou still need a hardware synthesizer. > > If you have Braille, you could look at OpenSuSE 11 from DVD or the Live= CD with Gnome is also accessible. > > Darragh > www.digitaldarragh.com > > > > > Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server sup= port, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > Call +353(0)87-767-0464 > Email: d@digitaldarragh.com > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza > Sent: 31 July 2008 22:46 > To: Orca List > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessible Installation, not Ubuntu > > Hi, > I heard about fedora 9 but I'm not sure. I'd like to hear about this > subject because in my first try with Ubuntu I had problems with my > wireless connection. > Perhaps another distro could help. I read something about this in the > following URL: > http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/04/Fedora9OrcaAndSpeakup.aspx > > > E.J. Zufelt wrote: >> Good morning, >> >> Is there a linux distro, other than Ubuntu, that has an accessible >> installer? >> >> Thanks, >> Everett >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Aug 1 06:46:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E117E750156 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:46:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.144.207] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IiF2lh3eWtOs for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:46:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A8C6750108 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 06:46:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id o.d5b.289165aa (37095); Fri, 1 Aug 2008 02:45:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB075-90e74892b11910e; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 02:45:51 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: Victor Tsaran In-Reply-To: <4891F3B4.4030904@gmail.com> References: <45ee1bee8b5db5bb52510be6e5d5ad86@sun.com> <1217250574.3143.27.camel@localhost> <488ECD83.8090309@sun.com> <48903997.3060005@sun.com> <18576.21826.273122.86362@zip.bunting.net.au> <1217421689.15783.26.camel@localhost> <48906719.8060101@sun.com> <1217457191.29854.40.camel@localhost> <4891F3B4.4030904@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 07:53:00 +0100 Message-Id: <1217573580.3051.18.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: Willie Walker , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit) for Java platform accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 06:46:32 -0000 Hello, What's the reason for wanting to use swing or SWT? I ask this because the following may wish to be considered. If it is to achieve cross platform accessibility in one single tandalone package, then I am not sure that this will achieve it fully (unless one package for each platform is made). As far as I know, SWT creates native widgets for the platform, so I would suspect that you need to have the version of SWT for the platform (unless it includes all required stuff for each platform). Eclipse has separate distributions for Windows, Linux and so on. As for swing, if it were not stand alone (IE requires a java VM already installed) then you can achieve cross platform accessibility as all the platform specific stuff (VM,access bridge, etc) are already provided. If though you are going for stand alone, again different platform distributions need to be made including the appropriate java VM, and for accessibility don't forget to include the appropriate access bridge in the bundled VM. Now considering the above, I know some software does have java installers, oracle products are one and I think netbeans is another. I don't know if they are using a standard installer system or if it is a custom installer to those particular packages. Certainly oracle's installer reminds you of the importance of needing to include the appropriate access bridge with the bundled VM, as when the installer uses its bundled VM and no access bridge is in that bundle it will be inaccessible regardless of any other access bridge on the system. Michael Whapples On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:17 -0700, Victor Tsaran wrote: > On the SWT/SWING side of things... Does anyone know if there is an > installation system, similar to NSIS, that utilizes any of these > toolkits for its widgetry? > Zimbra guys from www.zimbra.com want to know. > Thanks, > Victor > From milton@tomaatnet.nl Fri Aug 1 11:05:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EED8C75007C for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:05:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 7117 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.88] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vTtrsNQ1a-Ot for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.versatel.nl (smtp1.versatel.nl [62.58.50.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADF275002F for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 11:04:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 14481 invoked by uid 0); 1 Aug 2008 11:04:38 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp1.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 1 Aug 2008 11:04:38 -0000 Message-ID: <000e01c8f3c6$64003af0$0901a8c0@milton> From: "Milton" To: "Willie Walker" References: <002e01c8f261$2c2e23f0$0901a8c0@milton> <48909CFE.2000006@sun.com> <20080730180729.GA19333@gold> <4890BFF0.4060404@sun.com> <000d01c8f308$7dd68d80$0901a8c0@milton> <4891B821.6010008@sun.com> Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:04:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080731-0, 31-07-2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] sysadmin help X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:05:18 -0000 Hello Wil, Jim and Herman! I have to apologize 1000 times! It was of my own fault. By adding the line in sudoers I typed one character too much. So after setting this right it works great. Many thanks to you all. I enjoy learning to work with Ubuntu/linux and Orca. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Milton" Cc: "Tom Masterson" ; Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:03 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] sysadmin help Hmm....darn. I don't know. :-( I've gone through the various things that I'd normally try to resolve this. The hard part is that I cannot reproduce this after following the directions at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SysAdmin. Since there are (unfortunately) a number of steps, and mistakes could happen at each step, it's hard to debug what might be going wrong on someone else's system. As a last ditch effort, I've attached an sudoers file that might work for you. I'll admit I'm not an sudoers file guru, so I might be ignorant about the various intricacies of that beast. The one I've attached comes from my precious file server, which I generally *never* touch for any development purposes, but I did so for you. It works fine for me, and my precious "DO NOT TOUCH THIS FOR DEVELOPMENT PURPOSES" file server is Ubuntu 8.04. If this doesn't work, I'm just not sure how to proceed, except to request that you painstakingly verify that you accurately followed the steps at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SysAdmin. :-( Note also that that site might have some misleading stuff in it by accident, so it might need correction. For example, I just noticed someone edited it to add "" to the env_keep line. This should not be necessary. The following line should be all that's needed: Defaults env_keep+="GTK_MODULES" Hope this works/helps, because I'm running out of suggestions. :-( Will Milton wrote: > Hello Wil, > > Yes, indeed I get after "echo $GTK_MODULES", the result: > "gail:atk-bridge". > But still after "sudo synaptic" orca stops talking. > Milton > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Willie Walker" > To: "Tom Masterson" > Cc: > Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 9:24 PM > Subject: Re: [orca-list] sysadmin help > > > If there isn't an env_reset line, then there shouldn't be a need to have > an env_keep line. :-) > > If you do an "echo $GTK_MODULES" in a gnome-terminal, do you get > "gail:atk-bridge" as a result? > > Will > > Tom Masterson wrote: >> Interestingly my /etc/sudoers which was installed with ubuntu 8.04 does >> not have a "defaults env_reset" line. So the question then becomes >> where should that line be? >> >> Tom >> On Wed, Jul 30, 2008 at 12:55:26PM -0400, Willie Walker wrote: >>> I just tried this on Ubuntu Intrepid, updated as of about an hour ago. >>> It works well for me. Did you make sure you put the "Defaults env_keep" >>> line in /etc/sudoers *after* the "Defaults env_reset" line? >>> >>> Will >>> >>> Milton wrote: >>>> Hello listers, >>>> I'm new with Ubuntu/linux. The installation was a great success and >>>> right now I run Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6. >>>> I need your help for getting sysadmin accessibility. I did the >>>> following: In /root I create a .orbitrc file and with the cat command I >>>> see the 2 lines >>>> ORBIIOPIPv4=1 >>>> and >>>> ORBIIOPUNIX=0 >>>> and with the visudo command I add the line >>>> Defaults env_keep+="GTK_MODULES" >>>> With the chmod command the permission was set to 440 >>>> But still no access to e.g. sudo synaptic. >>>> Did I miss something or do something wrong? >>>> Thanks in advance. >>>> Milton >>>> >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Orca-list mailing list >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- # /etc/sudoers # # This file MUST be edited with the 'visudo' command as root. # # See the man page for details on how to write a sudoers file. # Host alias specification # User alias specification # Cmnd alias specification # Defaults Defaults !lecture,tty_tickets,!fqdn Defaults env_keep+="GTK_MODULES" # User privilege specification root ALL=(ALL) ALL # Members of the admin group may gain root privileges %admin ALL=(ALL) ALL From hanke@brailcom.org Fri Aug 1 13:32:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81B59750358 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:32:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 4864 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.113.161.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xu+5qhMRgn5y for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:32:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brailcom.org (brailcom.cesnet.cz [195.113.161.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AC7E750456 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 13:32:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 29.230.broadband5.iol.cz ([88.100.230.29] helo=[192.168.2.101]) by brailcom.org with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KOujW-0001Aa-VT; Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:31:52 +0200 Message-ID: <489311C5.8000400@brailcom.org> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 15:38:13 +0200 From: Hynek Hanke User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alonzo References: <1217540115.7626.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1217540115.7626.3.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_Score-Int: -13 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher only sensing dumby module X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 13:32:54 -0000 Alonzo wrote: > It took a while, but I finally got speech-dispatcher working. I've > installed 0.6.7-rc1, however it's only sensing a dumby module for some > reason. So I'm not exactly sure what's going on. It's configured to > use alsa and default synthesizer as espeak. If anyone can help please > advise. > > Hi Alonzo, are you sure you've compiled it with eSpeak support? You need libespeak-dev or some package like this. Once again, examine the output of ./configure . You can see more information about which modules were loaded at the beginning of speechd.log and if not, you get a reason for each of them. With regards, Hynek Hanke From sergionevess@gmail.com Fri Aug 1 14:29:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77D267505EC for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 14:29:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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It seems orca doesn't read some items of some tree views, for example, the one on authorizations program (system menu -> administration -> authorizations), or the gnome-device-manager. Even if I press insert+f5, sometimes orca doesn't read the item and I have to perform some tries. Is this problem known? Thanks Best regards Sérgio Neves From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Fri Aug 1 15:18:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15BF77500C1 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 15:18:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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None of the orca-shortcuts work, and i have to edit the preferences to change it back to caps_lock, restarting orca and things are back to normal again. Thank you for your enlightenment -Jon From vtsaran@gmail.com Fri Aug 1 18:08:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C0C750083 for ; Fri, 1 Aug 2008 18:08:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [216.145.49.5]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm724969wfd.1.2008.08.01.11.06.35 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <489350A9.6010706@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 11:06:33 -0700 From: Victor Tsaran User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (Windows; 2008072103) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Whapples References: <45ee1bee8b5db5bb52510be6e5d5ad86@sun.com> <1217250574.3143.27.camel@localhost> <488ECD83.8090309@sun.com> <48903997.3060005@sun.com> <18576.21826.273122.86362@zip.bunting.net.au> <1217421689.15783.26.camel@localhost> <48906719.8060101@sun.com> <1217457191.29854.40.camel@localhost> <4891F3B4.4030904@gmail.com> <1217573580.3051.18.camel@localhost> In-Reply-To: <1217573580.3051.18.camel@localhost> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Willie Walker , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit) for Java platform accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2008 18:08:16 -0000 Thanks Michael, Yes, crossplatform is the keyword here. Thanks for the explanation. Victor Michael Whapples wrote: > Hello, > What's the reason for wanting to use swing or SWT? > > I ask this because the following may wish to be considered. > > If it is to achieve cross platform accessibility in one single tandalone > package, then I am not sure that this will achieve it fully (unless one > package for each platform is made). As far as I know, SWT creates native > widgets for the platform, so I would suspect that you need to have the > version of SWT for the platform (unless it includes all required stuff > for each platform). Eclipse has separate distributions for Windows, > Linux and so on. As for swing, if it were not stand alone (IE requires a > java VM already installed) then you can achieve cross platform > accessibility as all the platform specific stuff (VM,access bridge, etc) > are already provided. If though you are going for stand alone, again > different platform distributions need to be made including the > appropriate java VM, and for accessibility don't forget to include the > appropriate access bridge in the bundled VM. > > Now considering the above, I know some software does have java > installers, oracle products are one and I think netbeans is another. I > don't know if they are using a standard installer system or if it is a > custom installer to those particular packages. Certainly oracle's > installer reminds you of the importance of needing to include the > appropriate access bridge with the bundled VM, as when the installer > uses its bundled VM and no access bridge is in that bundle it will be > inaccessible regardless of any other access bridge on the system. > > Michael Whapples > On Thu, 2008-07-31 at 10:17 -0700, Victor Tsaran wrote: >> On the SWT/SWING side of things... Does anyone know if there is an >> installation system, similar to NSIS, that utilizes any of these >> toolkits for its widgetry? >> Zimbra guys from www.zimbra.com want to know. >> Thanks, >> Victor >> > > > From mariachiac@aim.com Sat Aug 2 09:32:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3E75750477 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:32:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.244 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.244 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.6] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6XK5H-x2yZ17 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:32:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m25.mx.aol.com (imo-m25.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A73C4750227 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 09:32:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mariachiac@aim.com by imo-m25.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r9.4.) id h.bce.313584b5 (34955); Sat, 2 Aug 2008 05:31:37 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] (rrcs-67-78-50-123.sw.biz.rr.com [67.78.50.123]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA064-888b489429781bb; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 05:31:36 -0400 From: Alonzo To: orca-list@gnome.org, speakup@braille.uwo.ca Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:31:24 -0500 Message-Id: <1217669484.4655.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 (2.22.3.1-1.fc9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 67.78.50.123 Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 09:32:28 -0000 Hello everyone, I've posted a message to hank, but I also thought I would post to the lists I'm apart of as well. Since speechd-up is required for software synthesizers for speakup, speech-dispatcher has to be working first according to the documentation. However, speech-dispatcher says the following in the speechd log file. It was compiled with alsa and pulse audio support. Sat Aug 2 04:12:30 2008 : 568112] speechd: G LIST LENGHT IS 2 [Sat Aug 2 04:12:30 2008 : 575929] speechd: ERROR: Can't list voices for module espeak-generic [Sat Aug 2 04:12:30 2008 : 584206] speechd: ERROR: Can't list voices for module espeak-generic [Sat Aug 2 04:12:40 2008 : 997614] speechd: Error: No output module seems to be working, using the dummy output module [Sat Aug 2 04:12:43 2008 : 424105] speechd: G LIST LENGHT IS 2 [Sat Aug 2 04:12:43 2008 : 438777] speechd: G LIST LENGHT IS 2 [Sat Aug 2 04:12:43 2008 : 628414] speechd: ERROR: Can't list voices for module espeak [Sat Aug 2 04:12:44 2008 : 353283] speechd: Error: No output module seems to be working, using the dummy output module [Sat Aug 2 04:12:44 2008 : 353349] speechd: Error: No output module seems to be working, using the dummy output module [Sat Aug 2 04:12:44 2008 : 353361] speechd: Error: No output module working, not even dummy, no sound produced! I don't quite understand what's going on. Thank you, Alonzo From vtatila@gmail.com Sat Aug 2 10:12:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45BA775021B for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:12:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [82.128.218.109]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c38sm4760809anc.25.2008.08.02.03.11.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 03:11:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Veli-Pekka =?ISO-8859-1?Q?T=E4til=E4?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:11:19 +0300 Message-Id: <1217671879.16306.6.camel@laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Faster Language Switching? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:12:16 -0000 Hi list, Any chance of binding a hotkey for switching to a particular voice? I need to use both US English and Finnish with eSpeak or Festival. Now to switch languages I need to hit caps+space for the panel, wait a few secs for it to appear, use the arrows to find the speedch tab, again tab switching isn't instant nor is the last tab recalled, tab down the dialog to find the voice list, change the voice, hit alt+a twice to reach apply and hit space on it. Not exactly instant compared to merely hitting a hotkey. One gripe I also have is that the text describing controls is still in English, yet spoken in Finnish. It would be far better if I could retain the English voice and English prompts for screeen reader prompts yet have screen text spoken in Finnish. Alternatively you could have the same speech language and locale for both the screen texct and screen reader text: i.e. both in Finnish. PS: Why don't Orca sliders such as speed react to page keys? i thought Gnome sliders would. PPS: SOrry about mainly complaining here. I mean, it is great to have the FInnish in the first place. But granted, Orca still has a long way to go in terms of features and usability, in my view. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Aug 2 10:56:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3289E75017F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:56:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O0ZLbJh1YB8u for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:56:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B411D7500B9 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:55:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m72AtiJs027182 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 10:55:44 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K4Y00I01ZH86Z00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K4Y00BYXZOV9SD0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:55:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 06:55:43 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1217671879.16306.6.camel@laptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Veli-Pekka =?ISO-8859-1?Q?T=E4til=E4?= Message-id: <1217674543.6648.18.camel@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <1217671879.16306.6.camel@laptop> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Faster Language Switching? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:56:11 -0000 Hi: I apologize for not having the features you're looking for. They are currently in the Orca bugzilla database (http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?query=product%3Aorca). As such, they are known and will be done after we've worked through the higher priority topics or when someone who dearly wants these features *now* works on a patch ;-): http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419123 - Modified speech settings do not change immediately in preferences dialog http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=419742 - Add the ability to switch languages Can you tell me more about the "text describing the controls is still in English" problem? For example, do you have specific controls and specific examples? I'd like to determine if this is just that the Finnish translation is not up to date (something you could help with) or if there is an internationalization logic problem in Orca. Finally, with respect to "Orca still has a long way to go in terms of features and usability", specific issues will help us get there and logging bugs and feature requests in the Orca bug database is always welcome. From your prior e-mails (which I've saved and will study), I see that you're a magnification user -- positive constructive feedback for improving the magnification experience is definitely welcome. We're at a good point right now where we have the eZoom author working on improving it via GNOME Outreach Program: Accessibility. So, it's really a good time to start thinking about changes for the 2.26 release next spring. Thanks! Will PS - Which version of Orca are you using? I see you're on Ubuntu 8.04. You *might* consider trying to update to the latest Ubuntu Intreprid development builds and the latest Orca. On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 13:11 +0300, Veli-Pekka Tätilä wrote: > Hi list, > Any chance of binding a hotkey for switching to a particular voice? I > need to use both US English and Finnish with eSpeak or Festival. Now to > switch languages I need to hit caps+space for the panel, wait a few > secs for it to appear, use the arrows to find the speedch tab, again tab > switching isn't instant nor is the last tab recalled, tab down the > dialog to find the voice list, change the voice, hit alt+a twice to > reach apply and hit space on it. Not exactly instant compared to merely > hitting a hotkey. > > One gripe I also have is that the text describing controls is still in > English, yet spoken in Finnish. It would be far better if I could retain > the English voice and English prompts for screeen reader prompts yet > have screen text spoken in Finnish. Alternatively you could have the > same speech language and locale for both the screen texct and screen > reader text: i.e. both in Finnish. > > PS: Why don't Orca sliders such as speed react to page keys? i thought > Gnome sliders would. > > PPS: SOrry about mainly complaining here. I mean, it is great to have > the FInnish in the first place. But granted, Orca still has a long way > to go in terms of features and usability, in my view. > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From lomaswilliam@googlemail.com Sat Aug 2 11:01:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D10D7500B9 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 11:01:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [82.47.80.139]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm5339495gve.9.2008.08.02.04.01.09 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 04:01:10 -0700 (PDT) Message-Id: <44E1651A-B7C2-49AE-837C-675337716CE2@googlemail.com> From: will lomas To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v926) Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 12:01:08 +0100 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.926) Subject: [orca-list] tts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 11:01:53 -0000 Hi to all Which is a better text-to-speech engine. E-speak or festival? if Festival where do i obtain it please? thanks will From kb8aey@verizon.net Sat Aug 2 13:30:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 126E375022B for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:30:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.351 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.351 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.648, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9.1 (up: 1555 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.252.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H8FZb+Hhe3bE for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:29:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms044pub.verizon.net (vms044pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75103750740 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:29:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms044.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K4Z00M076S3PM90@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:28:52 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 08:28:52 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms044.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <0K4Z00M0A6S3PM90@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] user accounts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:30:05 -0000 Hi, would there be any chance of getting Orca to read the privileges in user accounts with the arrow keys again? This use to work, but hasn't for some time now. Everything else in the user accounts settings seems to read fine. Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080802-0, 08/02/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From jonsd@jsd.clara.co.uk Sat Aug 2 13:30:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59F2375022B for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:30:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 528 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [80.168.70.185] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oydV7VqlxOuY for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:30:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay5.mail.uk.clara.net (relay5.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.185]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7D90475006C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 13:29:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from adsl-solo-80-168-224-186.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.224.186]:1042 helo=pcr) by relay5.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KPHAh-0003js-9j for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:29:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jonathan Duddington To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 14:29:22 +0100 Message-ID: <4fc88f61c6jonsd@jsd.clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <44E1651A-B7C2-49AE-837C-675337716CE2@googlemail.com> References: <44E1651A-B7C2-49AE-837C-675337716CE2@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [orca-list] tts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:30:06 -0000 On 02 Aug, will lomas wrote: > Which is a better text-to-speech engine. E-speak or festival? That depends on what you mean by "better". More natural (human) speech? More responsive? More intelligible? Better at interpreting text (spelling-to-sound, punctuation, etc). Better intonation? Faster speaking speed? More intelligible at fast speed? Which language? It seems that different people prefer different TTS systems. > if Festival where do i obtain it please? That depends on your OS distro. Festival is in the Debian and Ubuntu repositories, and probably most others. Alternatively, a Google search for "Festival TTS" gives: www.cstr.ed.ac.uk/projects/festival which is the Festival homepage, which includes a "Download" link to the Festival source code, which you will need to compile. From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Sat Aug 2 15:52:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C9BE750181 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:52:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.597 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 75 hrs), (distance 32, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ppDq92u3Fiav for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:52:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D260075009F for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 15:52:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [84.167.173.23] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:52:26 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:52:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000101c8f4b7$be49a8b0$06b2a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: [orca-list] Systray in Gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 15:52:59 -0000 Hello, Just installed Debian with Gnome and Orca on my Asus Eee. Just one question: how can I access the systray where I can check battery status and so on? Thanks! Robin From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 2 17:24:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EDC7750116 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:24:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3311 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.193] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f6l+pvRu54Ew for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:24:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe15.swipnet.se [212.247.155.193]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDE7775010C for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:23:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=69huoVDnNsZb/EXV7uFw7A==:17 a=RiPhSMVAq8dmrurMQBkA:9 a=wP_NK0vHynxpdon-deuVaVVHMwAA:4 a=koTz35KBAXcA:10 Received: from [85.226.23.198] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se [85.226.23.198] verified) by mailfe15.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 286252096 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:23:45 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 19:23:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1217697824.13269.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] webvisum X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:24:19 -0000 have anyone tryed the webvisum plugin for firefox? From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Sat Aug 2 17:37:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABB6D7500C2 for ; Sat, 2 Aug 2008 17:37:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm4654051yxm.0.2008.08.02.10.36.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 02 Aug 2008 10:36:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <1217697824.13269.0.camel@ubuntu> References: <1217697824.13269.0.camel@ubuntu> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-cnrTOMWDdLVothW0LsSI" Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 13:36:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1217698608.10526.2.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] webvisum X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 02 Aug 2008 17:37:32 -0000 --=-cnrTOMWDdLVothW0LsSI Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I use WebVisum. It is a very good service, and the development team is very responsive. It's great for solving capches, blocking page reload, flash content, background sound and a lot of other stuff. Of course you can change any of the settings whenever you want, or view the page without any modifications. Storm On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 19:23 +0200, mattias wrote: > have anyone tryed the webvisum plugin for firefox? > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-cnrTOMWDdLVothW0LsSI Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I use WebVisum.  It is a very good service, and the development team is very responsive.  It's great for solving capches, blocking page reload, flash content, background sound and a lot of other stuff.  Of course you can change any of the settings whenever you want, or view the page without any modifications.
Storm
On Sat, 2008-08-02 at 19:23 +0200, mattias wrote: 
have anyone tryed the webvisum plugin for firefox?

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--=-cnrTOMWDdLVothW0LsSI-- From jbsn@tpg.com.au Sun Aug 3 00:34:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00676750073 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:34:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:216:1:60:M1460, S, T, N, W7:.:?:?] (up: 4917 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [203.12.160.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9+Wj9iU6D8Oq for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:34:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16373750086 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 00:34:20 +0000 (GMT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from arnold (60-240-255-203.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.255.203]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from jbsn@tpg.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m730Y3p2016516 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:34:05 +1000 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 10:36:30 +1000 From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson To: Jon Message-ID: <20080803003630.GE3282@arnold> References: <20080801151807.GA2192@mhdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080801151807.GA2192@mhdesktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca modifiers revisited X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 00:34:52 -0000 On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 08:18:07AM -0700, Jon wrote: > Hi, > > I was wondering if anyone has successfully used Super_L and/or Super_R > as an Orca modifier key. > xev returns Super_L and Super_R quite happily, but they dont seem to be > detected when using them as modifiers. It used to work. However, it doesn't any longer. Unfortunately, I can't say when the change happened. I have a feeling that it worked in version 2.22. I haven't the time, at the moment, to check it out, but I'll try to do that later in the week. Bertil From fredrikl.listor@flproduction.se Sun Aug 3 16:26:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0986750208 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:26:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.311 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0Amtk5SFXyIx for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 16:26:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from csmtp3.b-one.net (csmtp3.one.com [195.47.247.213]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36478751B44 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 09:50:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from c-b906e155.59-8-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (c-b906e155.59-8-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.225.6.185]) by csmtp3.b-one.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FA5839F6849 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:50:29 +0200 (CEST) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 11:55:42 +0200 (CEST) From: Fredrik Larsson To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: [orca-list] Braille in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 16:26:47 -0000 Hi, I have now made sure that all components in Gnome that have a 2.23.x version out are upgraded on my system. As some of you remember, I got a problem where the Braille display didn't update. I thought it was a time issue but very often it never updates. Turning on Braille monitor showed the following: When moving between links in Firefox using tab, the Braille monitor is consistent with the display, it doesn't update. However, the window with red border, showing what Orca sends, follows program focus fine. Is this a known problem? Fredrik From ruiandrebatista@gmail.com Sun Aug 3 17:26:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D5DD751AC3 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:26:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Js+FeclJqTNZ for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 17:26:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1383753B3D for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 14:32:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id s2so634819uge.30 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:31:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=IuISYkQFD8sQYhm5XTk8Vsnk3JIpj+O3cbiDmLrXkDE=; b=vL+VnOA29Rlh2qwYTQyp5Tx+3a0HwglSTYVBNIaL7Dg+BB81p6vhSCgR9/5dAP96a9 JMIY7c7ffaiEmmliGwCADy3Ty5SbnyR0wnG5ew4Hge2nERO6F16isj1gnaH4hxUB/DVG PRaOLUvU3x46ZGYw2qPNQr/dLJgTMmiXFfSwc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=UyoUbItDQ1efZRXky1yOBwNLGJeOdd0FkfqKYRI0CPx+T4rGhPReeCcOBePxxVB9jI aWdIYUg9Qxvz7QXEHgIhuDM3r1JOj2As8zF75ji0n9unP1/wqcRFoql7tm3bk6T8CWRl dCET5DFQzwvMW8IcjOQs32JsNGPrf+2b2WJf0= Received: by 10.67.32.7 with SMTP id k7mr5594525ugj.38.1217773908819; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:31:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [81.84.65.3]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g30sm20644989ugd.61.2008.08.03.07.31.46 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 07:31:47 -0700 (PDT) From: Rui Batista To: Orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-gX/zCoBXJpup3APjCA9s" Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 15:31:44 +0100 Message-Id: <1217773904.17355.5.camel@ragb-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Glade interface designer X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:26:52 -0000 --=-gX/zCoBXJpup3APjCA9s Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all, Is there a way for blind users running orca use the glade (http://glade.gnome.org/) designer?... I tried working with this thing but can create just top level windows... On the glade user's manual there is no reference to keyboard shortcuts nor something. It is strange because glade folks supply controles for defining acessibility properties but there program seems not so accessible.... Best Regards, Rui Batista -- Rui Batista e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com Skype: ruiandrebatista weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com --=-gX/zCoBXJpup3APjCA9s Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi all,

Is there a way for blind users running orca use the glade (http://glade.gnome.org/) designer?... I tried working with this thing but can create just top level windows...  On the glade user's manual there is no reference to keyboard shortcuts nor something. It is strange because glade folks supply controles for defining acessibility properties but there program seems not so accessible....

Best Regards,

Rui Batista

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What is interfering with the use of Super as the Orca modifier is its inclusion in settings.NON_LOCKING_MODIFIER_MASK (in the form of META3). Remove that from the group and Super works as the Orca modifier. settings.NON_LOCKING_MODIFIER_MASK is the default set of modifiers we care about when identifying if a given keypress matches a given keybinding. We care about Super/META3 for a couple of reasons: 1. Some OSes use it (e.g. OpenSolaris uses Super+d for the desktop and Super+r for the run application dialog). If we didn't attend to it, and, say, decided we'd bind 'r' for structural navigation by radio button, we'd be in danger of consuming Super+r thus preventing OpenSolaris users from getting to the run application dialog if Firefox had focus. 2. Right now users can bind commands using Super (e.g. they could make Super+h the command to move to the next heading in FF). So, I wonder if the thing we need to do is figure out what the Orca modifier is and if it turns out to be one of the items in the NON_LOCKING_MODIFIER_MASK, remove it from the mask." quoting http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536827 comment number 14. Thank you -Jon On Sun 03/08/2008 at 10:36:30, Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson wrote: > On Fri, Aug 01, 2008 at 08:18:07AM -0700, Jon wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I was wondering if anyone has successfully used Super_L and/or Super_R > > as an Orca modifier key. > > xev returns Super_L and Super_R quite happily, but they dont seem to be > > detected when using them as modifiers. > > It used to work. However, it doesn't any longer. Unfortunately, I can't > say when the change happened. I have a feeling that it worked in version > 2.22. I haven't the time, at the moment, to check it out, but I'll try > to do that later in the week. > > Bertil > From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Sun Aug 3 20:34:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DC917517A7 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:34:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.026 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, TW_GT=0.077] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dhUpxiQG6vRw for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 20:34:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.179]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E186752221 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 18:06:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so2099463ika.7 for ; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:06:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:cc:subject:message-id :reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; bh=Jpir+s/D6aMKI3wGbVa7o8zLTTXMENaLuM6+fmHPI9E=; b=uPNvm0DxqRgW213v/p409jJ/WufCh36IoRCc9OSEc4LTpqTv5OBrOA13IXRjTHptxF yjQb/rJzWojUpKTVx2pT8KS0/XfV74Tv6qWHoJZ7++jSPMSkkCVHnJuw70A4LZJ0xC/N cg5bO2bzjKrsPjoic/aVcxiMXT/XSrIqjpeDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; b=da6tGm09CVxHsMGS535WOTopLGfBxOuuhp5qj2z6Pxm9GDhl5MW5pz+ScetwtDCWJn eiqu7IvXxQ4hvzsgdExf1LzHumjBl4vSTZQQLy5cRRU8cPo1ew1bteaKNonx0ZDzGxDt zTlch2nDXvy354dzdELEEa5NPtbE5WPkt1CYs= Received: by 10.210.21.6 with SMTP id 6mr12931242ebu.162.1217786791076; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:06:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [82.32.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id q9sm8304702gve.5.2008.08.03.11.06.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 11:06:30 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 19:06:23 +0100 To: Rui Batista Message-ID: <20080803180621.GA1504@mhdesktop> References: <1217773904.17355.5.camel@ragb-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1217773904.17355.5.camel@ragb-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Fcc: =bmh From: Jon Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Glade interface designer X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:34:48 -0000 Hi, Unfortunately, as you have found, it is quite hard/virtually impossible to use glade as a blind designer. One could write the python (or any other language for that matter) code to create the gtk widgets and connect things up (i.e. the same way as before glade was made available), but this is long winded and requires time. So far, i have been finding glade xml files, and searching for widgets then copying the chosen widgets and modifying these to suit my needs to be a quicker process, despite the trial and error. There are several glade-3 related accessibility bugs open, and the more people comment and request these to be looked at, the hopefully sooner they will get some attension. I havent tried the svn/cvs (dont know which) latest version, so don't know if it has improved. glade3 bug list: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?columnlist=target_milestone%20priority%20bug_severity%20assigned_to%20short_desc&query_format=advanced&product=glade3&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&order=bugs.target_milestone,bugs.priority%2Cbugs.bug_severity%2Cbugs.target_milestone%2Cbugs.bug_id accessibility related: unusable in HighContrastInverse theme http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490157 Command line interface for glade http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359661 property/signal fields not associated with labels http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524541 need non-visual way of placing widgets on canvas http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524545 -Jon On Sun 03/08/2008 at 15:31:44, Rui Batista wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there a way for blind users running orca use the glade > (http://glade.gnome.org/) designer?... I tried working with this thing > but can create just top level windows... On the glade user's manual > there is no reference to keyboard shortcuts nor something. It is strange > because glade folks supply controles for defining acessibility > properties but there program seems not so accessible.... > > Best Regards, > > Rui Batista > > -- > Rui Batista > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com > Skype: ruiandrebatista > weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From lists@digitaldarragh.com Sun Aug 3 22:55:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31C777501CA for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:55:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4126 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pdlma5AomoLv for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9D17504DB for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 22:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.55.183] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPmPB-0002iD-2K for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:50:25 +0100 x-cr-puzzleid: {09FB46E1-2837-41FA-84F9-9146D2A765BF} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:50:31 +0100 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AigJ DWB8 D3Wq EUPb Eysn EzNr E+fT GyBK G61k HViZ HaO4 Hm79 JMoH Jsxd J1Jf KwFL; 1; bwByAGMAYQAtAGwAaQBzAHQAQABnAG4AbwBtAGUALgBvAHIAZwA=; Sosha1_v1; 7; {09FB46E1-2837-41FA-84F9-9146D2A765BF}; ZABAAGQAaQBnAGkAdABhAGwAZABhAHIAcgBhAGcAaAAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:50:31 GMT; TgBlAHcAIABhAHUAZABpAG8AIAB3AGEAbABrAHQAaAByAG8AdQBnAGgAIABhAHYAYQBpAGwAYQBiAGwAZQAuACAAaQBuAHMAdABhAGwAbABpAG4AZwAgAE8AcABlAG4AUwB1AFMARQAgADEAMQAgAGkAbgBkAGUAcABlAG4AZABlAG4AdABsAHkAIAB3AGkAdABoACAAbgBlAHcAIABhAGMAYwBlAHMAcwBpAGIAaQBsAGkAdAB5ACAAcwB1AHAAcABvAHIAdAAuAA== X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. thread-index: Acj1u1UrvpPUzlfFQ1esmBfmG8NPXw== From: "Darragh" To: "Orca List" X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:55:43 -0000 Hello all,=20 I've recorded a number of audio walk throughs in the past aiming to = guide new users through the installation, configuration and use of = differing Linux distributions. The walk throughs are mainly aimed at = new users however in the case of this one, I am hoping that as many = people will listen as possible to highlight the exceptional work the = OpenSuSE developers have done with this release to make it the most = accessible release ever!=20 The walk through demonstrates the new text to speech functionality found = in the boot menu. Simply boot the Gnome Live CD or the DVD, wait for = the beep to signify that the boot menu is displayed, press f9 and you = will instantly hear speech feedback when you arrow through the options. = OpenSuSE 11, boot from hard disk failsafe, memory test are normally = options we would have to memorise. In this version we have full access! = Press f2 to choose your language and again, it's spoken! If I'm not = mistaken. This is the only Linux boot menu that has been made so = accessible.=20 I could rant and rave about how impressed I am but really, I would = suggest you take a listen to the walk through and download 11 for your = self. Of course, there are quite a few Yast GTK bugs to iron out and = I've not had the time to submit them to bugzilla but I'm very confedent = that once their submitted they'll be acted upon very promptly.=20 Get the walk through at = www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse-installation-with-orca-walkthrough.= mp3 You can see more audio walk through's at = www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp =20 I've written a post guiding users through the installation of the ESpeak = synthesizer in OpenSuSE for use with Orca at = http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/23/InstallingEspeakInOpenSuSE11ForU= seWithGnomeSpeech.aspx I've also written a walk through for installing Speakup, the console = screen reader at = http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/showpage.asp?section=3Dlinux&category= =3Daccessibility&title=3DInstalling%20Speakup%20in%20OpenSuSE%2010.3 Please do not hesitate to contact me either via this list or privately = if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or problems.=20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com From garrettklein@comcast.net Sun Aug 3 23:32:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3862E750077 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:32:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.303 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [76.96.62.17] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CpOWUjYK1oyl for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:32:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42749750099 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:31:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.36]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xxGA1Z00F0mv7h05AzXdJT; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:31:37 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.225] ([68.57.215.48]) by OMTA11.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id xzXd1Z00513DaEU3XzXdWf; Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:31:37 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=H_BZmNcazBwA:10 a=oIRSVM3cwB4A:10 a=rITDv7nW5hcA:10 a=nKy63SFVAAAA:8 a=oCcaPWc0AAAA:8 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=QGK-ctcuAAAA:8 a=_tKJ1LfSPnBYVmBOB84A:9 a=5Z2Jy5Wbn75Z1P8yH4YA:7 a=0R6MtQwkBPPfK3tXh-ZsHMNflPwA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=oltf0pfCdT4A:10 Message-ID: <48964025.3000808@comcast.net> Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 19:32:53 -0400 From: Garrett Klein User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darragh References: In-Reply-To: X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: garrettklein@comcast.net List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:32:19 -0000 Darragh, Great walkthrough. I just wish they'd use espeak by default in orca on the CD. I also want to know how they rigged up the boot manager to speak. Garrett Darragh wrote: > Hello all, > > I've recorded a number of audio walk throughs in the past aiming to guide new users through the installation, configuration and use of differing Linux distributions. The walk throughs are mainly aimed at new users however in the case of this one, I am hoping that as many people will listen as possible to highlight the exceptional work the OpenSuSE developers have done with this release to make it the most accessible release ever! > > The walk through demonstrates the new text to speech functionality found in the boot menu. Simply boot the Gnome Live CD or the DVD, wait for the beep to signify that the boot menu is displayed, press f9 and you will instantly hear speech feedback when you arrow through the options. OpenSuSE 11, boot from hard disk failsafe, memory test are normally options we would have to memorise. In this version we have full access! Press f2 to choose your language and again, it's spoken! If I'm not mistaken. This is the only Linux boot menu that has been made so accessible. > > I could rant and rave about how impressed I am but really, I would suggest you take a listen to the walk through and download 11 for your self. Of course, there are quite a few Yast GTK bugs to iron out and I've not had the time to submit them to bugzilla but I'm very confedent that once their submitted they'll be acted upon very promptly. > > Get the walk through at www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse-installation-with-orca-walkthrough.mp3 > > You can see more audio walk through's at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp > I've written a post guiding users through the installation of the ESpeak synthesizer in OpenSuSE for use with Orca at http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/23/InstallingEspeakInOpenSuSE11ForUseWithGnomeSpeech.aspx > > I've also written a walk through for installing Speakup, the console screen reader at http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/showpage.asp?section=linux&category=accessibility&title=Installing%20Speakup%20in%20OpenSuSE%2010.3 > > Please do not hesitate to contact me either via this list or privately if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or problems. > > > > > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM > > > -- Garrett Klein Visit me and my girlfriend's blog at http://garrettk17.dyndns.org From lists@digitaldarragh.com Sun Aug 3 23:53:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47AAA75009F for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:53:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4137 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id W1PPwH7-o1FI for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:53:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C80F8750077 for ; Sun, 3 Aug 2008 23:53:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.55.183] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPnNQ-0007sC-64; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:52:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:52:55 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <4A53F7F5A3C84A7CBA179C4FD9768DEB@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. thread-index: Acj1wyTHGwvSK4YbTJGnEiPiiVXT8QAANPQw References: <4A53F7F5A3C84A7CBA179C4FD9768DEB@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: , "Darragh" X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 23:53:32 -0000 Garrett,=20 Installing ESpeak isn't that difficult actually. Take a look at the sDB = article I just posted over on the OpenSuE wiki or look at the = instructions on my blog over at www.digitaldarragh.com=20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Call +353(0)87-767-0464 Email: d@digitaldarragh.com Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: Garrett Klein [mailto:garrettklein@comcast.net]=20 Sent: 04 August 2008 00:46 To: Darragh Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing = OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. Darragh, Great walkthrough. I just wish they'd use espeak by default in orca on=20 the CD. I also want to know how they rigged up the boot manager to = speak. Garrett Darragh wrote: > Hello all,=20 >=20 > I've recorded a number of audio walk throughs in the past aiming to = guide new users through the installation, configuration and use of = differing Linux distributions. The walk throughs are mainly aimed at = new users however in the case of this one, I am hoping that as many = people will listen as possible to highlight the exceptional work the = OpenSuSE developers have done with this release to make it the most = accessible release ever!=20 >=20 > The walk through demonstrates the new text to speech functionality = found in the boot menu. Simply boot the Gnome Live CD or the DVD, wait = for the beep to signify that the boot menu is displayed, press f9 and = you will instantly hear speech feedback when you arrow through the = options. OpenSuSE 11, boot from hard disk failsafe, memory test are = normally options we would have to memorise. In this version we have = full access! Press f2 to choose your language and again, it's spoken! = If I'm not mistaken. This is the only Linux boot menu that has been = made so accessible.=20 >=20 > I could rant and rave about how impressed I am but really, I would = suggest you take a listen to the walk through and download 11 for your = self. Of course, there are quite a few Yast GTK bugs to iron out and = I've not had the time to submit them to bugzilla but I'm very confedent = that once their submitted they'll be acted upon very promptly.=20 >=20 > Get the walk through at = www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse-installation-with-orca-walkthrough.= mp3 >=20 > You can see more audio walk through's at = www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp =20 > I've written a post guiding users through the installation of the = ESpeak synthesizer in OpenSuSE for use with Orca at = http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/23/InstallingEspeakInOpenSuSE11ForU= seWithGnomeSpeech.aspx >=20 > I've also written a walk through for installing Speakup, the console = screen reader at = http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/showpage.asp?section=3Dlinux&category= =3Daccessibility&title=3DInstalling%20Speakup%20in%20OpenSuSE%2010.3 >=20 > Please do not hesitate to contact me either via this list or privately = if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or problems.=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >=20 > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com=20 > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: = 8/2/2008 5:30 PM >=20 >=20 >=20 --=20 Garrett Klein Visit me and my girlfriend's blog at http://garrettk17.dyndns.org From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Mon Aug 4 00:10:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9FBA57500C2 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 00:10:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.102 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.102 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm4143471ywf.2.2008.08.03.17.09.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:09:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: References: <4A53F7F5A3C84A7CBA179C4FD9768DEB@digitaldarragh.local> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-5TkqSGrPTkdaR0AEj/RC" Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:09:21 -0400 Message-Id: <1217808561.5932.5.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:10:00 -0000 --=-5TkqSGrPTkdaR0AEj/RC Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Thanks for the walkthrough. The talking boot menu is most impressive. The odd thing I noticed is that the boot menu speaks with espeak but then the default Orca voice is festival. I wonder why they switch once the system is installed. It would probably take less space just to settle for one or the other. I myself am a Ubuntu user. Hopefully they will add speaking boot menu support soon in it as well. Thanks and keep those awesome walkthroughs coming. Storm On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 00:52 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Garrett, > > Installing ESpeak isn't that difficult actually. Take a look at the sDB article I just posted over on the OpenSuE wiki or look at the instructions on my blog over at www.digitaldarragh.com > > > > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > Call +353(0)87-767-0464 > Email: d@digitaldarragh.com > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garrett Klein [mailto:garrettklein@comcast.net] > Sent: 04 August 2008 00:46 > To: Darragh > Cc: Orca List > Subject: Re: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support. > > Darragh, > > Great walkthrough. I just wish they'd use espeak by default in orca on > the CD. I also want to know how they rigged up the boot manager to speak. > > Garrett > > Darragh wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > I've recorded a number of audio walk throughs in the past aiming to guide new users through the installation, configuration and use of differing Linux distributions. The walk throughs are mainly aimed at new users however in the case of this one, I am hoping that as many people will listen as possible to highlight the exceptional work the OpenSuSE developers have done with this release to make it the most accessible release ever! > > > > The walk through demonstrates the new text to speech functionality found in the boot menu. Simply boot the Gnome Live CD or the DVD, wait for the beep to signify that the boot menu is displayed, press f9 and you will instantly hear speech feedback when you arrow through the options. OpenSuSE 11, boot from hard disk failsafe, memory test are normally options we would have to memorise. In this version we have full access! Press f2 to choose your language and again, it's spoken! If I'm not mistaken. This is the only Linux boot menu that has been made so accessible. > > > > I could rant and rave about how impressed I am but really, I would suggest you take a listen to the walk through and download 11 for your self. Of course, there are quite a few Yast GTK bugs to iron out and I've not had the time to submit them to bugzilla but I'm very confedent that once their submitted they'll be acted upon very promptly. > > > > Get the walk through at www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse-installation-with-orca-walkthrough.mp3 > > > > You can see more audio walk through's at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp > > I've written a post guiding users through the installation of the ESpeak synthesizer in OpenSuSE for use with Orca at http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/23/InstallingEspeakInOpenSuSE11ForUseWithGnomeSpeech.aspx > > > > I've also written a walk through for installing Speakup, the console screen reader at http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/showpage.asp?section=linux&category=accessibility&title=Installing%20Speakup%20in%20OpenSuSE%2010.3 > > > > Please do not hesitate to contact me either via this list or privately if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or problems. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darragh Ó Héiligh > > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM > > > > > > > --=-5TkqSGrPTkdaR0AEj/RC Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Thanks for the walkthrough.  The talking boot menu is most impressive.  The odd thing I noticed is that the boot menu speaks with espeak but then the default Orca voice is festival.  I wonder why they switch once the system is installed.  It would probably take less space just to settle for one or the other.  I myself am a Ubuntu user.  Hopefully they will add speaking boot menu support soon in it as well.
Thanks and keep those awesome walkthroughs coming.
Storm
On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 00:52 +0100, Darragh wrote: 
Garrett, 

Installing ESpeak isn't that difficult actually.  Take a look at the sDB article I just posted over on the OpenSuE wiki or look at the instructions on my blog over at www.digitaldarragh.com 





Darragh Ó Héiligh
Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server support, Assistive technology support and consultancy.
Call 	  +353(0)87-767-0464
Email: 	  d@digitaldarragh.com
Website:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com


-----Original Message-----
From: Garrett Klein [mailto:garrettklein@comcast.net] 
Sent: 04 August 2008 00:46
To: Darragh
Cc: Orca List
Subject: Re: [orca-list] New audio walkthrough available. installing OpenSuSE 11 independently with new accessibility support.

Darragh,

Great walkthrough. I just wish they'd use espeak by default in orca on 
the CD. I also want to know how they rigged up the boot manager to speak.

Garrett

Darragh wrote:
> Hello all, 
> 
> I've recorded a number of audio walk throughs in the past aiming to guide new users through the installation, configuration and use of differing Linux distributions.  The walk throughs are mainly aimed at new users however in the case of this one, I am hoping that as many people will listen as possible to highlight the exceptional work the OpenSuSE developers have done with this release to make it the most accessible release ever! 
> 
> The walk through demonstrates the new text to speech functionality found in the boot menu.  Simply boot the Gnome Live CD or the DVD, wait for the beep to signify that the boot menu is displayed, press f9 and you will instantly hear speech feedback when you arrow through the options.  OpenSuSE 11, boot from hard disk failsafe, memory test are normally options we would have to memorise.  In this version we have full access!  Press f2 to choose your language and again, it's spoken! If I'm not mistaken.  This is the only Linux boot menu that has been made so accessible. 
> 
> I could rant and rave about how impressed I am but really, I would suggest you take a listen to the walk through and download 11 for your self.  Of course, there are quite a few Yast GTK bugs to iron out and I've not had the time to submit them to bugzilla but I'm very confedent that once their submitted they'll be acted upon very promptly. 
> 
> Get the walk through at www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse-installation-with-orca-walkthrough.mp3
> 
> You can see more audio walk through's at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp  
> I've written a post guiding users through the installation of the ESpeak synthesizer in OpenSuSE for use with Orca at http://www.digitaldarragh.com/2008/07/23/InstallingEspeakInOpenSuSE11ForUseWithGnomeSpeech.aspx
> 
> I've also written a walk through for installing Speakup, the console screen reader at http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/showpage.asp?section=linux&category=accessibility&title=Installing%20Speakup%20in%20OpenSuSE%2010.3
> 
> Please do not hesitate to contact me either via this list or privately if you have any questions, comments, suggestions or problems. 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Darragh Ó Héiligh
> Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server support, Assistive technology support and consultancy.
> Website:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Orca-list mailing list
> Orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca
> 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com 
> Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.10/1587 - Release Date: 8/2/2008 5:30 PM
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--=-5TkqSGrPTkdaR0AEj/RC-- From hanke@brailcom.org Mon Aug 4 10:28:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20DA37501F0 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:28:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.386 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.386 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5037 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.113.161.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ClvYBZak6RIB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:28:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brailcom.org (brailcom.cesnet.cz [195.113.161.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 780F275016D for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:27:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 158-84-244-84.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz ([84.244.84.158] helo=[192.168.0.129]) by brailcom.org with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KPxHr-0000CR-BV; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:27:39 +0200 Message-ID: <4896DB2A.5070505@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:34:18 +0200 From: Hynek Hanke User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Alonzo References: <1217669484.4655.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> In-Reply-To: <1217669484.4655.14.camel@localhost.localdomain> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_Score-Int: 2 Cc: speakup@braille.uwo.ca, orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:28:15 -0000 Dear Alonzo, I think your output modules can't access the soundcard. Perhaps your sound output is blocked from another application or in your setup Speech Dispatcher can't access the sound device due to permission problems. It would help if you posted a more complete logfile, preferably running Speech Dispatcher with the '-s -l 5' option as in speech-dispatcher -s -l 5 or by running the spd-conf debugging utility: spd-conf -D With regards, Hynek Hanke From hanke@brailcom.org Mon Aug 4 11:08:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86D877503D2 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:08:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5038 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [195.113.161.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GJQmlIW1Yrtl for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:08:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brailcom.org (brailcom.cesnet.cz [195.113.161.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E92750559 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:04:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 158-84-244-84.strcechy.adsl-llu.static.bluetone.cz ([84.244.84.158] helo=[192.168.0.129]) by brailcom.org with esmtpsa (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KPxr9-0001RN-Jp for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:04:05 +0200 Message-ID: <4896E3B6.6000007@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:10:46 +0200 From: Hynek Hanke User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080505) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_Score-Int: 2 Subject: [orca-list] Speech Dispatcher 0.6.7 Released X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:08:12 -0000 Speech Dispatcher 0.6.7 ======================= The Brailcom organization is happy to announce the availability of Speech Dispatcher 0.6.7 developed as a part of the Free(b)Soft project. This is a minor release. Please read 'What is new' and 'NOTES' bellow. * What is Speech Dispatcher? Speech Dispatcher is a device independent layer for speech synthesis, developed with the goal of making the usage of speech synthesis easier for application programmers. It takes care of most of the tasks necessary to solve in speech enabled applications. What is a very high level GUI library to graphics, Speech Dispatcher is to speech synthesis. Key Speech Dispatcher features are: - Message priority model that allows multiple simultaneous connections to Speech Dispatcher from one or more clients and tries to provide the user with the most important messages. - Different output modules that talk to different synthesizers so that the programmer doesn't need to care which particular synthesizer is being used. Currently Festival, Flite, Epos, Espeak and (non-free) Dectalk software, IBM TTS are supported. Festival is an advanced Free Software synthesizer supporting various languages. Espeak is a very fast multi-lingual synthesizer. - Client-based configuration allows users to configure different settings for different clients that connect to Speech Dispatcher. - Simple interface for programs written in C, C++ provided through a shared library. Python, Common Lisp and Guile interface. An Elisp library is developed as a separate project speechd-el. Possibly an interface to any other language can be developed. * What is new in 0.6.7? - Setting of preferred audio output method is now centralized in speechd.conf instead of being scattered around the various output module configurations. - 'spd-conf' configuration, diagnostics and troubleshooting tool now makes it easy to create a user configuration for Speech Dispatcher or to send a request for help with all appropriate logging information - Dummy output module which attempts to play a pre-recorded help message via various sound systems when all other modules fail - Possibility to switch on verbose logging over SSIP for easy debugging and bug-reporting from client applications - Volume settings in Pulse Audio and avoidance of having to reopen the PA connection on every synthesis request - Punctuation mechanism in IBM TTS is now configurable - New generic output modules for Espeak with Mbrola and for Cepstral Swift. - Bugfixes. NOTES (0.6.7) - There are changes in the configuration file since the previous release. It is highly recommended to replace your speechd.conf file with the speechd.conf provided in this package and copy your settings there if you are upgrading from 0.6.6 or any older versions. The old configuration file should also work, but audio output method settings will in output modules configuration will have no effect. - By default, the communication port of Speech Dispatcher is only opened for localhost connections. Please see the LocalhostAccessOnly option in speechd.conf for information on how to allow connections from other manchines as well. * Where to get it? You can get the distribution tarball of the released version from http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/speechd/speech-dispatcher-0.6.7.tar.gz We recommend you to fetch the sound icons for use with Speech Dispatcher. They are available at http://www.freebsoft.org/pub/projects/sound-icons/sound-icons-0.1.tar.gz Corresponding Debian, Gentoo and Ubuntu packages will soon be available at your distribution mirrors. The home page of the project is http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd * How to report bugs? Please report bugs at . For other contact please use Happy synthesizing! From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Mon Aug 4 11:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 955F475020B for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:20:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.597 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 118 hrs), (distance 32, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3jJ4jpboQAnt for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:20:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97B67502C9 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:20:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [79.144.94.231] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:19:51 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:19:37 +0200 Message-ID: <001001c8f623$fd2e7e30$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: [orca-list] VmWare questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:20:44 -0000 Hi all, As I have another Samsung laptop here running Windows, I'd like to install Linux on there as well. However, I can't format this laptop and also need Windows on it, I have some programs that wouldn't run under Linux. Also, as this laptop has only one partition and I've experienced some problems with dual booting, I'd like to install Linux in a virtual machine. Has anyone tried that under Windows with VmWare or any other program and how good does it work with Jaws? Also, as I don't have a Braille display at the moment, I'll probably have to install Ubuntu using the self-voicing installation. Does this work in a virtual box? Thanks for helpful replies! :-) Robin From lists@digitaldarragh.com Mon Aug 4 12:26:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2E975007B for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:26:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4262 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kMJSlfCuRM9l for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:26:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07CDE7500C2 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 12:26:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.55.183] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KPz8L-0007jO-Db; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:25:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:25:51 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <41CD8A85F16E45E4BEEEFE31AED0526C@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] VmWare questions thread-index: Acj2JZBqdpXn6kAySpGxJAyQPxgY6wAB1gFw References: <41CD8A85F16E45E4BEEEFE31AED0526C@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: "Robin Kipp" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] VmWare questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 12:26:41 -0000 Hello,=20 Yes. MWare works really well with Jaws.=20 There are plenty of hot keys for b oot, restart, power off etc.=20 To set focus to your running installation press control g. To return to = windows, press control and alt.=20 Jaws automatically reads the tool tips in VMWare so it will report that = you are either in the virtual machine or in the host operating system = depending on what your doing.=20 The system including Orca, BrlTTY etc depending on what your using works = as if it was installed on a dedicated computer.=20 The advantage is that VMware removes the need to set up modules to make = your hardware work so for a new user I would actually say that VMWare is = a really good starting point.=20 Enjoy.=20 Darragh Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Robin Kipp Sent: 04 August 2008 12:31 To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] VmWare questions Hi all, As I have another Samsung laptop here running Windows, I'd like to install Linux on there as well. However, I can't format this laptop and also need Windows on it, I have some programs that wouldn't run under Linux. Also, as this laptop has only one partition and I've experienced some problems with dual booting, I'd like to install Linux in a virtual machine. Has anyone tried that under Windows with VmWare or any other program and how good does it work with Jaws? Also, as I don't have a Braille display at the moment, I'll probably have to install Ubuntu using the self-voicing installation. Does this work in a virtual box? Thanks for helpful replies! :-) Robin _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 4 13:12:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6241275016D for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:12:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 1686 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nq3L7kHMY+wz for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:11:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34B175028A for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:11:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53C882A0625; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:11:08 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id edoNsZAO045I; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:11:06 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id EC2F32A03E3; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 10:11:05 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48970002.3080307@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 10:11:30 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 2008080100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Darragh References: <41CD8A85F16E45E4BEEEFE31AED0526C@digitaldarragh.local> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080803-0, 08/03/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] VmWare questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:12:06 -0000 Hi Darragh and all. You gave me a great idea. I installed Ubuntu in a desktop but the=20 desktop is used by my wife. Since I've a laptop with jaws and windows installed and I actually need = windows to run some programs, I'll try VmWare. Thanks. Darragh wrote: > Hello, > > Yes. MWare works really well with Jaws. > There are plenty of hot keys for b oot, restart, power off etc. > > To set focus to your running installation press control g. To return t= o windows, press control and alt. > > Jaws automatically reads the tool tips in VMWare so it will report that= you are either in the virtual machine or in the host operating system de= pending on what your doing. > > The system including Orca, BrlTTY etc depending on what your using work= s as if it was installed on a dedicated computer. > The advantage is that VMware removes the need to set up modules to make= your hardware work so for a new user I would actually say that VMWare is= a really good starting point. > > Enjoy. > > > Darragh > > > > > Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server sup= port, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Robin Kipp > Sent: 04 August 2008 12:31 > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: [orca-list] VmWare questions > > Hi all, > As I have another Samsung laptop here running Windows, I'd like to > install Linux on there as well. However, I can't format this laptop and= > also need Windows on it, I have some programs that wouldn't run under > Linux. Also, as this laptop has only one partition and I've experienced= > some problems with dual booting, I'd like to install Linux in a virtual= > machine. Has anyone tried that under Windows with VmWare or any other > program and how good does it work with Jaws? Also, as I don't have a > Braille display at the moment, I'll probably have to install Ubuntu > using the self-voicing installation. Does this work in a virtual box? > Thanks for helpful replies! :-) > Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Mon Aug 4 14:14:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3EAB7503D3 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:14:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.64 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.64 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 121 hrs), (distance 31, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id unT7YmDedT9i for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5957C750248 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 14:13:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [79.144.94.231] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:13:27 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: "'Darragh'" , Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:13:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c8f63c$3d48c8f0$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: Re: [orca-list] VmWare questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:14:14 -0000 Hi Darragh, Thanks for your help! I'm downloading VmWare Workstation right now and hope it'll work for me. Robin > -----Original Message----- > From: Darragh [mailto:lists@digitaldarragh.com]=20 > Sent: Monday, August 04, 2008 2:26 PM > To: Robin Kipp; orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: RE: [orca-list] VmWare questions >=20 >=20 > Hello,=20 >=20 > Yes. MWare works really well with Jaws.=20 > There are plenty of hot keys for b oot, restart, power off etc.=20 >=20 > To set focus to your running installation press control g. =20 > To return to windows, press control and alt.=20 >=20 > Jaws automatically reads the tool tips in VMWare so it will=20 > report that you are either in the virtual machine or in the=20 > host operating system depending on what your doing.=20 >=20 > The system including Orca, BrlTTY etc depending on what your=20 > using works as if it was installed on a dedicated computer.=20 > The advantage is that VMware removes the need to set up=20 > modules to make your hardware work so for a new user I would=20 > actually say that VMWare is a really good starting point.=20 >=20 > Enjoy.=20 >=20 >=20 > Darragh >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and=20 > server support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com >=20 >=20 > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org=20 > [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf > Of Robin Kipp >=20 > Sent: 04 August 2008 12:31 > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: [orca-list] VmWare questions >=20 > Hi all, > As I have another Samsung laptop here running Windows, I'd=20 > like to install Linux on there as well. However, I can't=20 > format this laptop and also need Windows on it, I have some=20 > programs that wouldn't run under Linux. Also, as this laptop=20 > has only one partition and I've experienced some problems=20 > with dual booting, I'd like to install Linux in a virtual=20 > machine. Has anyone tried that under Windows with VmWare or=20 > any other program and how good does it work with Jaws? Also,=20 > as I don't have a Braille display at the moment, I'll=20 > probably have to install Ubuntu using the self-voicing=20 > installation. Does this work in a virtual box? Thanks for=20 > helpful replies! :-) Robin >=20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >=20 >=20 From rjc@MIT.EDU Mon Aug 4 15:45:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F068A7500B6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:45:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.159 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.159 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.625, BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TW_GT=0.077, TW_XH=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9 (firewall!), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [18.7.7.80] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id US+fmzdCixFq for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:45:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71B9A750125 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:45:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m74FjE4w011900 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:45:14 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arlanda (ARLANDA.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as rjc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id m74FjDEF003695 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:45:13 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <004001c8f649$15c337e0$65017112@mit.edu> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: Cc: References: <1217773904.17355.5.camel@ragb-laptop> <20080803180621.GA1504@mhdesktop> Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 11:45:12 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Glade interface designer X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:45:43 -0000 How does glade compare to something like XUL (the XML interface language which mozilla technology uses)? From what I understand, XUL is pretty close to what HTML5 will be -- i.e. like xhtml with lots of specialized widgets "built in". I'm guessing that glade is much more based on laying things out by hand on a canvass, where as xul and html5 layout things automatically for you based on the position of objects in the input data modified with style sheet rules. -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: "Rui Batista" Cc: Sent: Sunday, August 03, 2008 2:06 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Glade interface designer > Hi, > > Unfortunately, as you have found, it is quite hard/virtually impossible > to use glade as a blind designer. > > One could write the python (or any other language for that matter) code > to create the gtk widgets and connect things up (i.e. the same way as > before glade was made available), but this is long winded and requires > time. > So far, i have been finding glade xml files, and searching for widgets > then copying the chosen widgets and modifying these to suit my needs to be > a > quicker process, despite the trial and error. > > There are several glade-3 related accessibility bugs open, and the more > people comment and request these to be looked at, the hopefully sooner > they will get some attension. > I havent tried the svn/cvs (dont know which) latest version, so don't > know if it has improved. > > > glade3 bug list: > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/buglist.cgi?columnlist=target_milestone%20priority%20bug_severity%20assigned_to%20short_desc&query_format=advanced&product=glade3&keywords_type=allwords&keywords=&bug_status=UNCONFIRMED&bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&bug_status=REOPENED&bug_status=NEEDINFO&order=bugs.target_milestone,bugs.priority%2Cbugs.bug_severity%2Cbugs.target_milestone%2Cbugs.bug_id > > accessibility related: > > unusable in HighContrastInverse theme > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=490157 > Command line interface for glade > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=359661 > property/signal fields not associated with labels > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524541 > need non-visual way of placing widgets on canvas > http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=524545 > > -Jon > On Sun 03/08/2008 at 15:31:44, Rui Batista wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Is there a way for blind users running orca use the glade >> (http://glade.gnome.org/) designer?... I tried working with this thing >> but can create just top level windows... On the glade user's manual >> there is no reference to keyboard shortcuts nor something. It is strange >> because glade folks supply controles for defining acessibility >> properties but there program seems not so accessible.... >> >> Best Regards, >> >> Rui Batista >> >> -- >> Rui Batista >> e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com >> msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com >> Skype: ruiandrebatista >> weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com > >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 4 16:09:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A007500B6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:09:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 1716 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RupU1X8HO5M7 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:09:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66BEE7500CE for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 16:09:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E282A06AC for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:08:50 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtO7XISYL7kT for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:08:49 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BFF712A0622 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:08:49 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:09:14 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 2008080100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080804-0, 08/04/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] problems running orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:09:57 -0000 Hi all, Last weekend I finished the configuration of my desktop. I installed Ubuntu 8.4 in a dual boot machine. I've one partition with windows and another partition with Ubuntu. I had difficulties to configure my wireless card, a D-Link DWA-110. The problem that I'm facing now is that sometimes orca looses speech forcing me to restart orca. I don't know how to reproduce on demand. Any idea on how to solve this problem? BTW: The orca's version was 2.22.1. I tried to install from subversion but the problem was not solved. Now, when I run orca with the switch --version in a terminal section, I receive an information that the version is 2.23.pre6. Thanks. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 17:23:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 541E97500F8 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:23:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n1hSd7t5lueK for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:22:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87ED2750172 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:22:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m74HM9Fc008241 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:22:09 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5300L016RMYP00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:22:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5300BSM6WVACD0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:22:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:21:07 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <0K4Z00M0A6S3PM90@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mike Message-id: <48973A83.2070400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0K4Z00M0A6S3PM90@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] user accounts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:23:01 -0000 Hi Mike: I'm assuming you're referring to the list of checkboxes that's in the "User Priviledges" tab of the Account Properties dialog that you can bring up from the "User Settings" window that you get when you run "System->Administration->Users and Groups", which is the 'users-admin' application. I dug into this and we have a bug: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=546277 Thanks for reporting this! Feedback and reports from users definitely helps keep us improving Orca. Will mike wrote: > Hi, would there be any chance of getting Orca to read the privileges in user accounts with the arrow keys again? > This use to work, but hasn't for some time now. Everything else in the user accounts settings seems to read fine. > Thanks Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080802-0, 08/02/2008), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 17:32:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E116D75058A for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:32:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id M7eYBHTkNuvv for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:32:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 011867505A5 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:29:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m74HT9rX013560 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:29:09 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5300L016RMYP00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:29:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5300EB278JGK00@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:29:08 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:28:07 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <000101c8f4b7$be49a8b0$06b2a8c0@Laptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Robin Kipp Message-id: <48973C27.8010202@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <000101c8f4b7$be49a8b0$06b2a8c0@Laptop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Systray in Gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:32:27 -0000 Hi Robin: This area is kind of a mess right now -- keyboard navigation is troublesome in the top and bottom panels, and especially troublesome in the notification area. :-( For now, you can try Ctrl+Alt+Tab to get to the top or bottom panel, and pressing Tab and/or the Left/Right arrow keys to move around. When you get to something that only says "Embedded Component" something uninformative like that, you should be able to press Ctrl+F1 to bring up the tooltip for the object, if it has one. We (GNOME) are indeed trying to improve the accessibility of these things -- I can't dig up the bug numbers for you to watch, though, since Bugzilla is acting up at the moment. :-( Will Robin Kipp wrote: > Hello, > Just installed Debian with Gnome and Orca on my Asus Eee. Just one > question: how can I access the systray where I can check battery status > and so on? Thanks! > Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 17:40:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99B837504E7 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:40:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0rXjjJgOEb0N for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:40:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 596767505B6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:37:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m74HbjUa016809 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 17:37:45 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5300I017BYQQ00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:37:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5300EFX7MJGK40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 11:37:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:36:31 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: vilmar@informal.com.br Message-id: <48973E1F.3030105@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] problems running orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:40:44 -0000 Hi: Orca is under constant and fast development. If you can update to the latest Ubuntu Intrepid release, you might have better success. However, if you're able to come up with a set of steps we can follow to reproduce the problem reliably, it would really help. For example, are you running any system administration applications at the time speech stops? Will José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > > Last weekend I finished the configuration of my desktop. I installed > Ubuntu 8.4 in a dual boot machine. I've one partition with windows and > another partition with Ubuntu. I had difficulties to configure my > wireless card, a D-Link DWA-110. > > The problem that I'm facing now is that sometimes orca looses speech > forcing me to restart orca. I don't know how to reproduce on demand. > Any idea on how to solve this problem? > BTW: The orca's version was 2.22.1. I tried to install from subversion > but the problem was not solved. > Now, when I run orca with the switch --version in a terminal section, I > receive an information that the version is 2.23.pre6. > > Thanks. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 4 18:09:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 28E127501B8 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:09:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 1736 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c-uou9HsGxId for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:09:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2AFF75060D for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 18:08:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id A8D592A06B8; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:42 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nlh8h+zKw57P; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:41 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 3747B2A06B7; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:41 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48974586.6030909@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:08:06 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 2008080100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> <48973E1F.3030105@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48973E1F.3030105@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080804-0, 08/04/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] problems running orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 18:09:37 -0000 Hi, In general the problem happens when I'm running gnome-terminal. However=20 I alsso found the same problem when running evolution. About update to Ubuntu Intrepid release I can do but I need some help. How can I update? Do I need to grab another cd or I can update using=20 some command in Ubuntu? Thanks. Willie Walker wrote: > Hi: > > Orca is under constant and fast development. If you can update to the > latest Ubuntu Intrepid release, you might have better success. However,= > if you're able to come up with a set of steps we can follow to reproduc= e > the problem reliably, it would really help. For example, are you runnin= g > any system administration applications at the time speech stops? > > Will > > Jos=E9 Vilmar Est=E1cio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> Last weekend I finished the configuration of my desktop. I installed >> Ubuntu 8.4 in a dual boot machine. I've one partition with windows and= >> another partition with Ubuntu. I had difficulties to configure my >> wireless card, a D-Link DWA-110. >> >> The problem that I'm facing now is that sometimes orca looses speech >> forcing me to restart orca. I don't know how to reproduce on demand. >> Any idea on how to solve this problem? >> BTW: The orca's version was 2.22.1. I tried to install from subversion= >> but the problem was not solved. >> Now, when I run orca with the switch --version in a terminal section, >> I receive an information that the version is 2.23.pre6. >> >> Thanks. >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 19:48:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A58527500F5 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:48:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qSenWcDp4etI for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:48:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7027B750101 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:48:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m74Jm0ni016663 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:48:00 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5300101DCJJV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5300J09DNX0S50@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:47:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 15:46:57 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48974586.6030909@informal.com.br> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: vilmar@informal.com.br Message-id: <48975CB1.3060507@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> <48973E1F.3030105@sun.com> <48974586.6030909@informal.com.br> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] problems running orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:48:17 -0000 > In general the problem happens when I'm running gnome-terminal. However > I alsso found the same problem when running evolution. Hmm...strange. This seems like either the accessibility or audio infrastructure might be going bad. :-( If you end up seeing a pattern, please let us know. > About update to Ubuntu Intrepid release I can do but I need some help. > How can I update? Do I need to grab another cd or I can update using > some command in Ubuntu? Keep in mind that Intreprid is still under development and is bleeding edge stuff. So, as I say, you might end up bleeding. :-) I've not tried an accessible install for Intrepid yet, but there are some notes for Hardy available here -- they might be very similar to Intrepid: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuHardy Will From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 4 19:53:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28087504AB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:53:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3362 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A0Vm5wy3+cxc for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:52:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe10.tele2.se [212.247.155.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DBC4750508 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 19:52:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=xrwJUgmYbQdWeEtouAB0oA==:17 a=FbQTrVBGPM_CeKOa5KIA:9 a=OfVdFLh1x0RcKEQXM1H2qSqF5W4A:4 a=PKjY-mI1yN0A:10 Received: from [85.226.23.209] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se [85.226.23.209] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 860815006 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:52:09 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:52:07 +0200 Message-Id: <1217879528.6210.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] opensuse 11.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 19:53:04 -0000 i just tryed opensuse live cd with orca must say total inaccessible From mgorse@mgorse.dhs.org Mon Aug 4 20:08:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1689F7507A1 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:08:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.597 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1266 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [24.153.142.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xtuOVNi7rQvR for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:07:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bertha.hocaustin.com (rrcs-24-153-142-67.sw.biz.rr.com [24.153.142.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 528A27501B5 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:05:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (unknown [192.168.1.87]) by bertha.hocaustin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4DBF6BBA33 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:07:03 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 15:03:53 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Gorse X-X-Sender: mgorse@boston.site To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LNX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Subject: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:08:02 -0000 Hi all, OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is not built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It seems to me that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, so we should probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to take an informal poll to see which synth people prefer. So, if people could email me and let me know which synth you're using or if you have any input either way, then I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, -Mike G- From lists@digitaldarragh.com Mon Aug 4 20:22:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84C207500C6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:22:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4341 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2MpQ+StmKTz6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:22:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2354D7500F8 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:21:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.55.183] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KQ6Xy-0002TT-97; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:20:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:21:05 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <04A5B3A9512340F58022E6CA4711EA8C@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] opensuse 11.0 thread-index: Acj2bLT+FY4xsIUSRCenxYEHHRZ0HAAAqyjQ References: <04A5B3A9512340F58022E6CA4711EA8C@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: "mattias" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] opensuse 11.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:22:49 -0000 Why do you say that?=20 Totally? Have you listened to the walk through at = www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp that I refered to last night?=20 I won't for a second say that it has caught up with Ubuntu however in a = very short space of time the accessibility of this previously unusable = distribution has exceled beyond all expectations.=20 Please elaborate as to what you have found to be inaccessible and I will = do my best to help.=20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of mattias Sent: 04 August 2008 21:00 To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] opensuse 11.0 i just tryed opensuse live cd with orca must say total inaccessible _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From lists@digitaldarragh.com Mon Aug 4 20:23:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC4957500C6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:23:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4341 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUr4ZCJ9cDm8 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:23:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7FD750112 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.55.183] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KQ6Zt-0002nu-L5; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:22:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:23:08 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <16B0A4780720408683EC4626A104E16C@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] What synth are people using? thread-index: Acj2btNa2zCIVnhwT2u8Z5mG03htSgAANYzw References: <16B0A4780720408683EC4626A104E16C@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: "Mike Gorse" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:23:41 -0000 Mike,=20 I've written instructions for compiling and installing ESpeak and = Gnome-speech in OpenSuSE 11 at www.digitaldarragh.com. The process = isn't too difficult in this release.=20 I think it would be a great idea to set ESpeak as the default = synthesizer for all future releases of OpenSuSE. In fact. I wouldn't = bother including estival at all! SBL and Gnome-Speech will very happily = use ESpeak so you'd also cut down on the installation size.=20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Mike Gorse Sent: 04 August 2008 21:15 To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] What synth are people using? Hi all, OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is not = built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It seems to = me that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, so we = should=20 probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to take an informal=20 poll to see which synth people prefer. So, if people could email me and = let me know which synth you're using or if you have any input either = way,=20 then I'd really appreciate it. Thanks, -Mike G- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 20:23:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B943750006 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:23:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.43.132] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AhZfwWj4T5bH for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:23:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (sca-es-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.132]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1593A75046F for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:22:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-sfbay-09.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m74KMZv4025184 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 13:22:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-09.sun.com by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5300001F3KTG00@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.117] ([24.23.175.3]) by fe-sfbay-09.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5300N82F9N2V20@fe-sfbay-09.sun.com>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:22:35 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 13:22:34 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: Mike Gorse Message-id: <1217881354.7578.3.camel@mini> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:23:55 -0000 Hi Mike, > OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is not > built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It seems to > me that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, so we should > probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to take an informal > poll to see which synth people prefer. So, if people could email me and > let me know which synth you're using or if you have any input either way, > then I'd really appreciate it. I personally use espeak all the time now and find it quite stable and responsive. It also gets frequent updates and is of course completely opensource. Mike From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 4 21:00:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89B507500B6 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:00:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CZ3ijT5BZVkO for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:59:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 105A175011A for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:59:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m74KxYWP028366 for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:59:34 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5300G01GSMYK00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:59:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5300GTPGZ6G520@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 04 Aug 2008 14:59:30 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 16:58:30 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1216659578.5526.4.camel@laptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Veli-Pekka_T=E4til=E4?= Message-id: <48976D76.9050700@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <1216659578.5526.4.camel@laptop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Magnified Review Highlight Position? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:00:05 -0000 Hi Veli: I've been able to reproduce this. The highlight rectangle for Orca's flat review was actually a debugging tool to help me debug the flat review implementation. :-) It was really never meant to be something for users, but we keep running into users interested in it and wanting to enhance it. What you're running into is us drawing on the display as though it were in 1X magnification, and I have no great ideas at this point for how we might make it work when magnification is in use (I would have thought it should have just worked). On a related note, we've been hacking around with http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=363793, but I think the right thing for us to do is to work with Kristian Lyngstøl (CC'd) to make sure we get a highlighting API in place with eZoom. Will Veli-Pekka Tätilä wrote: > Hi list, > I've noticed the following issue using Orca in Ubuntu 8.04 with > occasional magnification: > > Say you set magnification to 6x, full screen. NExt, go and open the > gnome-terminal giving a command such as ls -l in there. Now use the > laptop layout keys caps+o and caps+u to cursor recent lines in review > mode. > > I find that the review highlight, which I find very important magnified > so as to know where on screen I've been spoken stuff from, works as > follows. Rather than showing the position the highlight would occupy on > the magnified screen, and scrolling as needed to keep the highlight > magnified, the width of the highlight, and its position are directly > from the unmagnified screen, but confusingly superimposed on the > magnified screen itself. > > This is really quite hard to explain non-visually. It is the same effect > you might have if, say, you saw the unmagnified mouse pointer position > on the magnified screen. I've been able to workaround in some apps. In > FireFox using about:config, I set up focused links to have different fg > and bg colors, which works great. > > Lastly, a bit of a usability suggestion: > Would be great if I could determine the coordinates, width and hight of > the customized magnified rectangle in percentages that would be > resolution independent. Now I need to do a bit of math in my head to > ensure that it covers the width of the screen and say about one fourth > of the bottom of the screen. > > PS: sorry for any major typos. I still have a hard time comprehending > the US English of eSPeak. My last mail was actually pretyped in a > Windows machine, but this one isn't, as I'm trying to get used to eSpeak > after 10 years of Orpheus. Currently the efficiency is less than about > half and even the fastest speed is not fast enough for quick reading . > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Mon Aug 4 21:59:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B789D75011A for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:59:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 129 hrs), (distance 32, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6N3vIfimISEL for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:59:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C21E67500CB for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 21:59:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [79.144.94.231] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:59:01 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:58:45 +0200 Message-ID: <000701c8f67d$46a8c670$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 In-Reply-To: <48973C27.8010202@sun.com> Importance: Normal X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Systray in Gnome X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 21:59:47 -0000 Hi Will, Ah, OK. Well it would be a really big help if accessing the notification area was possible in later Orca versions since it contains a lot of useful stuff. Anyways, keep up the good work!!! Robin From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 4 23:22:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BDD575010E for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:22:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.026 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, TW_KC=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 1788 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 754gvIiHJGDA for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:22:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39D067500EE for ; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 23:21:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id D75CC2A06CB; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:21:16 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vfVTzMeP2hoO; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:21:15 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 709E12A06C1; Mon, 4 Aug 2008 20:21:15 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48978F05.5020400@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 20:21:41 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 2008080100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> <48973E1F.3030105@sun.com> <48974586.6030909@informal.com.br> <48975CB1.3060507@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48975CB1.3060507@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080804-0, 08/04/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] problems running orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2008 23:22:37 -0000 Hi, is there some log file that I can inspect? Before I restart orca is there some chekck that I can do to help identify the problem? I can ask for sighted asistance from my wife. About installing intrepid I found alpha 3 to download. Is this version the correct version to try? Please, forgive my poor english end my dumb questions. Thanks. Willie Walker wrote: >> In general the problem happens when I'm running gnome-terminal. >> However I alsso found the same problem when running evolution. > > Hmm...strange. This seems like either the accessibility or audio > infrastructure might be going bad. :-( If you end up seeing a pattern, > please let us know. > >> About update to Ubuntu Intrepid release I can do but I need some help. >> How can I update? Do I need to grab another cd or I can update using >> some command in Ubuntu? > > Keep in mind that Intreprid is still under development and is bleeding > edge stuff. So, as I say, you might end up bleeding. :-) I've not tried > an accessible install for Intrepid yet, but there are some notes for > Hardy available here -- they might be very similar to Intrepid: > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuHardy > > Will From rexxe@tutopia.com Tue Aug 5 06:35:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 545D47500B0 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:35:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.498 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.498 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 4229 hrs), (distance 14, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.75] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFsr+Kg9TJFG for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:35:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail05mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0A43D750007 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 06:35:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 18376 invoked from network); 5 Aug 2008 06:34:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO seventhson) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail05mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 5 Aug 2008 06:34:58 -0000 Message-ID: From: "mk360" To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 02:34:56 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Problems with orca and thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 06:35:38 -0000 Hi, I have problems with orca and thunderbir (shredder) couse when I delette a message orca doesn't read the following, unless I'm at the and of the list, in wich case when I delette a message it reads the previous one. This has force me to order my mesages ascendingly and then go to the end of the list and start reading from there. At beggining I thought this was an orca problem, but according to what I read in changelog and what I'ven told in the spanish list, this shouldn't be like this. I'm using the actual version of orca from subversion and the same with at-spi, gail and atk. And, a couple of days ago I updated from ubuntu hardy to intrepid becouse I thought using gnome 2.23 may help, but it hasn't, even though now nautilus appears to work faster :) Best regards, mk. From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Tue Aug 5 15:49:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B0A57500A2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:49:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 1sm485617agb.20.2008.08.05.08.48.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 08:48:13 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48987638.40407@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:48:08 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (Windows; 2008073000) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Pedersen References: <1217881354.7578.3.camel@mini> In-Reply-To: <1217881354.7578.3.camel@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:49:23 -0000 I use espeak and prefer it definitely over festable. Mike From mgorse@mgorse.dhs.org Tue Aug 5 16:36:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 917FC750007 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:36:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.085 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.085 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1317 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [24.153.142.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zhDK0H3tRbFy for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:36:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bertha.hocaustin.com (rrcs-24-153-142-67.sw.biz.rr.com [24.153.142.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E2EE7504A2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:36:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (unknown [192.168.1.87]) by bertha.hocaustin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id C0B264BE7C for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:37:53 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 11:34:38 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Gorse X-X-Sender: mgorse@boston.site To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LNX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:36:26 -0000 Thanks all for the replies. Everyone who expressed a preference so far has preferred espeak, so I'm going to request that gnome-speech be built with it by default with the festival driver maybe becoming an optional package. -Mike G- On Mon, 4 Aug 2008, Mike Gorse wrote: > Hi all, > > OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is not > built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It seems to me > that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, so we should > probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to take an informal poll > to see which synth people prefer. So, if people could email me and let me > know which synth you're using or if you have any input either way, then I'd > really appreciate it. > > Thanks, > -Mike G- > From mail@hoschwald.de Tue Aug 5 16:48:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D18DF75055C for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:48:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 6129 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [212.112.241.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id z3T4s+mDGlgB for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:48:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.as-10.de (as-10.de [212.112.241.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91617501C9 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 16:48:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4C4B33A8AF for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:48:01 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.as-10.de Received: from mail.as-10.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (as-10.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VZliYLF1Q5cu for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:48:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: from debian.hq.otrs.com (unknown [81.27.174.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: web7p10) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE6D833A804 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:48:01 +0200 (CEST) Received: by debian.hq.otrs.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 1F48BDFCAD; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:48:01 +0200 (CEST) From: Henning Oschwald To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:45:17 +0200 References: Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <87tzdzxvb2.fsf@hoschwald.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:48:36 -0000 Hi Mike, On Sweetmorn, day 70 of Confusion 3174, Mike Gorse wrote: > OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is > not built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It > seems to me that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, > so we should probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to > take an informal poll to see which synth people prefer. I use german Mbrola all the time, but in my opinion Espeak would be a good default, since it supports a lot of languages, so even the appropriate language can be selected based on the configured locale setting. cheers Henning From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Tue Aug 5 17:49:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 882B17500A2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:49:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.614 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.614 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.43.133] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GxR2oHnnm7Wv for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:49:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (sca-es-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.43.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D639750093 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:49:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m75Hn1fH029111 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K55003012I2NQ00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:49:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.117] ([24.23.175.3]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K55007IV2T6UJ10@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:48:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 10:48:41 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:49:34 -0000 Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and would like to change it for 2.24. thanks Mike Pedersen From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Tue Aug 5 18:20:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C989775010F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 18:20:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm2162788yxr.3.2008.08.05.11.17.52 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 11:17:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-NHij8G7xtsCJvxFq5UuB" Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 14:17:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1217960268.15059.20.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:20:14 -0000 --=-NHij8G7xtsCJvxFq5UuB Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Progress bar announcement is one of the first things I turn on when setting up Orca. It would be great to have it on by default. Before switching to Ubuntu, I used to use a screen reader in XP called NVDA. They have a feature where progress bars were shown with rising beeps. I really liked that feature and wonder if it could be added to Orca. It would be great to have the choice to have speech, beeps, or off. IF the default were set to on, it could be with speech. I am sure some people would probably find beeps annoying, but I found it gives a good indication of how much has been done in a progress bar, and once you get used to the range of pitches, how much is remaining. Thanks Storm On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:48 -0700, Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar > speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and > would like to change it for 2.24. > > thanks > > Mike Pedersen > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-NHij8G7xtsCJvxFq5UuB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Progress bar announcement is one of the first things I turn on when setting up Orca.  It would be great to have it on by default.
Before switching to Ubuntu, I used to use a screen reader in XP called NVDA.  They have a feature where progress bars were shown with rising beeps.  I really liked that feature and wonder if it could be added to Orca.  It would be great to have the choice to have speech, beeps, or off.  IF the default were set to on, it could be with speech.  I am sure some people would probably find beeps annoying, but I found it gives a good indication of how much has been done in a progress bar, and once you get used to the range of pitches, how much is remaining.
Thanks
Storm
On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 10:48 -0700, Mike Pedersen wrote: 
Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar
speaking on by default.  I've long felt that this should be the case and
would like to change it for 2.24.  

thanks

Mike Pedersen 

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--=-NHij8G7xtsCJvxFq5UuB-- From guyster@bex.net Tue Aug 5 19:09:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 19F147500D2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:09:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 6026 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1iClgGwFu70W for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:09:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0102.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3342375004D for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:09:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DA816BFC39; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:09:19 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f1f7e7) id sj1-dm101.489798ce.5f410; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:09:18 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pImKVe7fGKDAIAAAAC,3de4c91f533857247d6e7f1e51ac1a87 Message-ID: <4898A558.9070803@bex.net> Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:09:12 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (X11; 2008071803) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Pedersen References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> In-Reply-To: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:09:57 -0000 Please do turn it on by default. Whenever I install Ubuntu for someone, I always forget that I have to turn progress messages on. Thanks, Guy Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar > speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and > would like to change it for 2.24. > > thanks > > Mike Pedersen > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 5 19:32:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77F8B75062B for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:32:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2985 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DXOP8xenCmWJ for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E36750093 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:32:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Voe8sGLLZ5AA:10 a=-WSn17c7dfYA:10 a=p5/X/Qefq4KGIyyS/VCkwA==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=CytXp9MhI8cZPvGqwtwA:9 a=XIiLNE0Spj9fsDnQTYGEBMpf96kA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=LQ1s5-IILsIA:10 Received: from [85.226.23.182] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1009685455 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:31:51 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:31:48 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-Reply-To: <87tzdzxvb2.fsf@hoschwald.de> Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:32:24 -0000 no no no not espeak verry bad swedish support -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org]For Henning Oschwald Skickat: den 5 augusti 2008 18:45 Till: orca-list@gnome.org Amne: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? Hi Mike, On Sweetmorn, day 70 of Confusion 3174, Mike Gorse wrote: > OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is > not built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It > seems to me that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, > so we should probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to > take an informal poll to see which synth people prefer. I use german Mbrola all the time, but in my opinion Espeak would be a good default, since it supports a lot of languages, so even the appropriate language can be selected based on the configured locale setting. cheers Henning _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From steve@holmesgrown.com Tue Aug 5 19:55:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 957607500C4 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:55:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.40] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EuhJlVpMeW2L for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:55:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 575D27500CA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 19:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080805195525.XRYB28780.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 15:55:25 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id yjvS1Z0082rzSAG04jvS2C; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 15:55:26 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KQScw-0005ox-To for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:55:26 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KQSdp-0001mX-Gm for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 12:56:21 -0700 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 12:56:21 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080805195621.GA5669@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> <4898A558.9070803@bex.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <4898A558.9070803@bex.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 19:55:55 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I turned them on so long ago, I forgot they weren't on by default. i think it would be a good idea to include them by default. I usually set my interval down to every 5 seconds but the ten second inverval is probably a good default. On Tue, Aug 05, 2008 at 03:09:12PM -0400, Guy Schlosser wrote: > > > Please do turn it on by default. Whenever I install Ubuntu for someone, I > always forget that I have to turn progress messages on. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > Mike Pedersen wrote: >> Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar >> speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and >> would like to change it for 2.24. >> >> thanks >> >> Mike Pedersen >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImLBlWSjv55S0LfERA0n9AJ9ho3gWGLuSKKjUoAyTXqwOdXvOaQCfWYbs ECL8B9y+AkPc1Ya6uHYZkfw= =1BHD -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jonsd@jsd.clara.co.uk Tue Aug 5 21:23:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62F6475061F for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:23:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.497 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.497 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 607 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [80.168.70.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mxkeh+X8C+s2 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:23:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay8.mail.uk.clara.net (relay8.mail.uk.clara.net [80.168.70.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAA177501A9 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 21:22:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from adsl-solo-80-168-224-186.claranet.co.uk ([80.168.224.186]:1042 helo=pcr) by relay8.mail.uk.clara.net with smtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KQTzU-0002Sk-DZ for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:22:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Jonathan Duddington To: Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:21:37 +0100 Message-ID: <4fca46202ejonsd@jsd.clara.co.uk> In-Reply-To: References: <87tzdzxvb2.fsf@hoschwald.de> User-Agent: Pluto/3.04e (RISC-OS/4.02) POPstar/2.02 Content-Type: text/plain Subject: Re: [orca-list] What synth are people using? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 21:23:19 -0000 On 05 Aug, mattias wrote: > no no no not espeak > verry bad swedish support Yes. It needs a Swedish speaker to make it better! I don't speak Swedish, so I can't so it myself. And similarly for some other languages. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Aug 5 22:05:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFD537500CA for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:05:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S9eXf-7-gHic for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:05:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 35D68750093 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:05:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m75M4oXc006424 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:04:50 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5500601EEK2200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:04:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5500EQEENZ1K70@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 16:04:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 18:03:45 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Fredrik Larsson Message-id: <4898CE41.2070308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Braille in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:05:18 -0000 Hi Fredrik: It took me a while to understand just what you were doing, but I think I understand what's going on: you're attempting to access web content using the flat review keys. Instead of using flat review, which was primarily developed as a fallback mechanism for accessing ill-behaved applications, I'd highly recommend that you navigate content using the same keyboard navigation techniques that sighted users use. You can enable caret navigation in Firefox by pressing the F7 key. If you've tried caret navigation and still think you'd be more efficient using flat review, be advised that flat review and Gecko have issues. Here's the related bugs: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=355525 http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542833 Having said that, if you have a specific web page where this is breaking for you, please give us the URL and the content where it seems to break. We might be able to make it work, but no promises, especially when dealing with really quirky content. Hope this helps! Will Fredrik Larsson wrote: > Hi, > > I have now made sure that all components in Gnome that have a 2.23.x > version out are upgraded on my system. As some of you remember, I got a > problem where the Braille display didn't update. I thought it was a time > issue but very often it never updates. Turning on Braille monitor showed > the following: > > When moving between links in Firefox using tab, the Braille monitor is > consistent with the display, it doesn't update. However, the window with > red border, showing what Orca sends, follows program focus fine. > > Is this a known problem? > > Fredrik > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From bart@ursys.com.au Tue Aug 5 22:39:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BDCBA750093 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:39:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 3328 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [203.7.149.14] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vSOTCqaogZPk for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:39:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cassowary.ursys.com.au (cassowary.ursys.com.au [203.7.149.14]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1075175009C for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:38:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.0.6.124] (helo=zip) by cassowary.ursys.com.au with esmtpa (Exim 4.50 #1 (Debian)) id 1KQVAs-0003eF-TU; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:38:39 +1000 Received: by zip (Postfix, from userid 1000) id D8B8DCE7AA; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:38:37 +1000 (EST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18584.54893.843940.454314@zip.bunting.net.au> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 08:38:37 +1000 To: Mike Pedersen In-Reply-To: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.1 From: bart@ursys.com.au (Bart Bunting) X-Host-Lookup-Failed: Reverse DNS lookup failed for 10.0.6.124 (failed) X-BusiBox-cassowary-Spam-Score: -2.8 (--) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 22:39:20 -0000 I think this is a sensible default. I personally always turn it on. Regards Bart Mike Pedersen writes: > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar > speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and > would like to change it for 2.24. > > thanks > > Mike Pedersen > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From themuso@ubuntu.com Tue Aug 5 23:14:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55CF07500AE for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:14:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.303 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:54:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.16.214.57] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rBhPES6Zz5pf for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:14:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E3445750134 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:14:15 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtIEACN7mEh5LHQd/2dsb2JhbACKcoc9nFs X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,312,1215354600"; d="scan'208";a="175023033" Received: from ppp121-44-116-29.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO localhost) ([121.44.116.29]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2008 08:44:04 +0930 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:14:03 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080805231403.GA11008@brainz.yelavich.home> References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:14:36 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 03:48:41AM EST, Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar > speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and > would like to change it for 2.24. Please turn them on by default. I agree with a previous poster in that 10 seconds is a good default as well. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImN67jVefwtBjIM4RAnmDAJ9JlyS6ZuT9FTelIXM7pzmRHNJt1wCglaHX AobA66qFl7+OPkT06Hrt/dI= =c3PX -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From themuso@ubuntu.com Tue Aug 5 23:15:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 898D7750093 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:15:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:54:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.16.214.57] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dd1odkGCb238 for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:15:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BDCB7500BC for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:15:12 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApsEACN7mEh5LHQd/2dsb2JhbACKcqQY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,312,1215354600"; d="scan'208";a="175023791" Received: from ppp121-44-116-29.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO localhost) ([121.44.116.29]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 06 Aug 2008 08:45:05 +0930 Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:15:05 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080805231505.GB11008@brainz.yelavich.home> References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> <1217960268.15059.20.camel@stormdragon-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1217960268.15059.20.camel@stormdragon-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:15:38 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:17:48AM EST, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > Progress bar announcement is one of the first things I turn on when > setting up Orca. It would be great to have it on by default. > Before switching to Ubuntu, I used to use a screen reader in XP called > NVDA. They have a feature where progress bars were shown with rising > beeps. Unfortunately thiw will likely not be as easy to do in orca, due to Orca's cross-platform nature, and the many different audio subsystems that would have to be supported to do it, as not all speech synthesizers/backends support this either. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImN75jVefwtBjIM4RAv42AKDOdNj0NLon67lcHnWS1dgy+3nt8QCgsEyf E9Dq/T06B2WzGLUv2vAGz5Y= =dkqM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cy41169@yahoo.com Wed Aug 6 00:09:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1FFC75009C for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:09:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 4.7-5.2 (or MacOS X 10.2-10.4) (2) (up: 663 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [66.196.100.233] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uNfIjQE0ZGpB for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:09:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6D52A7500CA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 00:09:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 50671 invoked by uid 60001); 6 Aug 2008 00:09:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=okVP+8QAbwrZiEiS6ODdPZjONWTYtiZ09XQmwg5mJ5PJXfGXCbx8lInku2xM8+o5Njjg8g0bhnbAPOaDxiOCpOSS2H7C2i0hmL1qZmGDuvkEI9kPtj6iIM5yXzPhxYsQukL9HQh59K5tc9sKgogKUY90K/7PWZr7T5tC2EhsetE=; Received: from [208.110.238.13] by web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 17:09:03 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:09:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Dorff To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1452712128-1217981343=:47878" Message-ID: <916223.47878.qm@web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: [orca-list] Could someone please explain how to burn Windows software onto a cd X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: cy41169@yahoo.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 00:09:37 -0000 --0-1452712128-1217981343=:47878 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi... When I tried to burn a cd of NVDA (which is an open source screen reader fo= r Windows) on my Ubuntu machine I got an error message. Could someone pleas= e explain how to burn Windows software onto a cd=A0 Do I need to install an= other cd burner? Thanks Charlie =0A=0A=0A --0-1452712128-1217981343=:47878 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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When I tried to burn a cd of NVDA (which is an open source screen reader for Windows) on my Ubuntu machine I got an error message. Could someone please explain how to burn Windows software onto a cd  Do I need to install another cd burner? Thanks
Charlie


--0-1452712128-1217981343=:47878-- From p.wildcat1234@gmail.com Wed Aug 6 03:24:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3509750150 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:24:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 7326 hrs), (distance 12, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.166.176] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1MJrGvgil-D7 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from py-out-1112.google.com (py-out-1112.google.com [64.233.166.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A8C8750022 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:23:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: by py-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id a29so4541874pyi.36 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:23:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:x-priority:x-msmail-priority :x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=AG2dQvZO1ZHNQBFuOKBr52S7Zcmadk6CecLhylKEL+o=; b=hatuxDDyY7zkwkzk3Qml/6X9utt3KpUVvfx8IEwMx1/RFW+Fowoo92E4L9zmkjs3jk f1zT3EfUANkqLonLSaaqFdkaKhKQsHfA9tPqsR6SPvpkH9N+l5DzJ2dDB5E2JUmyDzsq WNINg4sPKsQFKqhlE49QZ9bGTWQy4G3OJNCvk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; b=KRgSv70qcsVmieRM0m1Rrrr2FK3H0dQJEqL4IzpAwPJPT/5+F8Rq4XOLNX/3ITf3Qx 7jipIRN7wGXObSU5OVyMltqhye1tWBXglomZLY/423b/CcrySF+j2HTW73uUH82f5eOk QWspnNba86TQ8fomQYNe8/KtgveSSbI2ZoVyU= Received: by 10.64.204.13 with SMTP id b13mr2417073qbg.46.1217993000840; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from home39w3vyljzt ( [98.28.212.225]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k29sm302456qba.7.2008.08.05.20.23.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 20:23:20 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0432295BDF54491A9365DDB9ECB6E156@home39w3vyljzt> From: To: Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:23:13 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C8F752.3B560050" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] open suse 11.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:24:02 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C8F752.3B560050 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi darah this is kenny. What live cd do I download for the accessible = boot menu? One say live cd kde desktop and the other option is cgnome = live cd Do I pick the cgnome live cd version? ------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C8F752.3B560050 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi darah this is kenny. What live cd do = I download=20 for the accessible boot menu? One say live cd kde desktop and the other = option=20 is cgnome live cd Do I pick the cgnome live cd=20 version?
------=_NextPart_000_00C6_01C8F752.3B560050-- From mgorse@mgorse.dhs.org Wed Aug 6 03:38:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1CDA750071 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:38:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.101 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.101 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1345 hrs), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [24.153.142.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PPmg4UD9HgBZ for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:38:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bertha.hocaustin.com (rrcs-24-153-142-67.sw.biz.rr.com [24.153.142.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BA87500CA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 03:38:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.1.87] (unknown [192.168.1.87]) by bertha.hocaustin.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id AB4914BE7C for ; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:40:00 -0500 (CDT) Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2008 22:36:43 -0500 (CDT) From: Mike Gorse X-X-Sender: mgorse@boston.site To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: User-Agent: Alpine 1.10 (LNX 962 2008-03-14) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Subject: Re: [orca-list] open suse 11.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 03:38:36 -0000 Yes, you want the GNOME version. KDE isn't accessible with a screen reader yet... On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, p.wildcat1234@gmail.com wrote: > Hi darah this is kenny. What live cd do I download for the accessible boot > menu? One say live cd kde desktop and the other option is cgnome live cd Do I > pick the cgnome live > cd version? > > From johantrujillo.1907@gmail.com Wed Aug 6 06:17:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EC27500AE for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:17:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.088 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.088 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD=2.191, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8320 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.229] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4rsDnkJeNX-7 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:17:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.229]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73B5D7500CA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:17:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so2047622wra.27 for ; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:17:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=2Hmssk/ZQXHuATZKjvXOg1HpA6VQqOXGJR9UzIM32AU=; b=d+2xnlE6WnGmzn3WhqlOmPDGBgTrxKSqD2i4ChAERoSoE+d1sjGRulK23C0ZgRbbKU hV24ZGTzuYEHLKJxyPHPFyf5L9WMTbBYsA2T+9pbT7vuru2svUUQew5tV+SGfRbQLIt5 6YJ93Jsb7N9HV5JXQYZakjubOxHIbOl75M32k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=eK38LcnCBsHzc3+ADS9SDDTf0MhhqAtlZOsUljh3mvnNKPcUwWLgSGBbHPcheFE6fa fuQ8Qkx2usUqDyoti9MWA3VQ8a9mR4mXafgDIOPOwBPXxtUsl8so88BJWuP/G4GOOna/ 9zNnROIMROvyj/u4peIqbyGU1/JWbbwTe25jw= Received: by 10.90.63.15 with SMTP id l15mr2653038aga.79.1218003444142; Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.31.18 with HTTP; Tue, 5 Aug 2008 23:17:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 01:47:24 +1930 From: "Johan Trujillo" To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] is urgen X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:17:58 -0000 2008/8/6, Henning Oschwald : > Hi Mike, > > On Sweetmorn, day 70 of Confusion 3174, Mike Gorse wrote: >> OpenSUSE currently provides festival and espeak, but gnome-speech is >> not built with espeak support, and festival is used by default. It >> seems to me that espeak is more widely-used than festival these days, >> so we should probably make it the default for 11.1, but I wanted to >> take an informal poll to see which synth people prefer. > > I use german Mbrola all the time, but in my opinion Espeak would be a > good default, since it supports a lot of languages, so even the appropriate > language can be selected based on the configured locale setting. > > cheers > > Henning > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- Johan Trujillo, TEL: 0412/162/34/46, From johantrujillo.1907@gmail.com Wed Aug 6 06:26:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D22447506E3 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 06:26:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.794 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.794 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_06_12=1.897, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [190.76.103.143]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g7sm15611235wra.16.2008.08.05.23.25.53 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 05 Aug 2008 23:25:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Johan Trujillo To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <4898A558.9070803@bex.net> References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> <4898A558.9070803@bex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 09:58:36 -0430 Message-Id: <1218032916.14025.5.camel@vit> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] is very urgent X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 06:26:19 -0000 El mar, 05-08-2008 a las 15:09 -0400, Guy Schlosser escribió: > helo my name is johan trujillo from venezuela and I have 1 question I am using the evolution bad I can't have to mouch accesivility what I have to do? pleace hel me I have de orca vertion 2.23 thanl you > > Please do turn it on by default. Whenever I install Ubuntu for someone, > I always forget that I have to turn progress messages on. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > Mike Pedersen wrote: > > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar > > speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and > > would like to change it for 2.24. > > > > thanks > > > > Mike Pedersen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From h.oschwald@gmx.de Wed Aug 6 12:45:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5429D750082 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:45:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 6179 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [212.112.241.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tzHyTr327qqX for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:45:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.as-10.de (as-10.de [212.112.241.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 465A4750130 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 12:44:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1417F33A754 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:44:42 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.as-10.de Received: from mail.as-10.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (as-10.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WQBzVphI84SY for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from debian.hq.otrs.com (unknown [81.27.174.154]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: web7p10) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id E198933A736 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:44:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: by debian.hq.otrs.com (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 861A5C344; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:44:40 +0200 (CEST) From: Henning Oschwald To: Orca-list@gnome.org References: <916223.47878.qm@web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:44:40 +0200 In-Reply-To: <916223.47878.qm@web58904.mail.re1.yahoo.com> (Charlie Dorff's message of "Tue, 5 Aug 2008 17:09:03 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <871w12nwhz.fsf@hoschwald.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Could someone please explain how to burn Windows software onto a cd X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 12:45:17 -0000 Hi, On Pungenday, day 72 of Confusion 3174, Charlie Dorff wrote: > When I tried to burn a cd of NVDA (which is an open source > screen reader for Windows) on my Ubuntu machine I got an error > message. What does that message say? Just "an error message" is poor information and makes it difficult to help you. Please try to explain what exactly you did and which errors you've got. > Could someone please explain how to burn Windows software onto a cd There is nothing special you'ld need to consider. Simply "copy" the files you wish to burn into the CD Burner Window (nautilus-cd-burner) and select "burn". > =A0 Do I need to install another cd burner? Nautilus-CD-burner needs mkisofs and cdrecord or alternatively genisoimage and wodim, but they should actually have ben installed as dependencies of nautilus-cd-burner. cheers Henning From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 6 14:03:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47501750199 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:03:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.026 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.026 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, TW_KC=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HE8DXLuwV7rz for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:03:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20C0275020E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:02:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m76E2hqb023211 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 14:02:43 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5600H01M6QNV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:02:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5600FL4N09EJA0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 08:02:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 10:02:33 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48978F05.5020400@informal.com.br> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: vilmar@informal.com.br Message-id: <1218031353.14396.44.camel@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <489729AA.6010203@informal.com.br> <48973E1F.3030105@sun.com> <48974586.6030909@informal.com.br> <48975CB1.3060507@sun.com> <48978F05.5020400@informal.com.br> Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] problems running orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:03:19 -0000 On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 20:21 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, is there some log file that I can inspect? You can enable debugging with Orca: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Debugging This will produce a huge file, but we could take a look at it to see if anything looks suspicious. > Before I restart orca is there some chekck that I can do to help > identify the problem? > I can ask for sighted asistance from my wife. Doing the debugging thing above will help. If you can run the orca command from the command line and look for errors that might be output there, it would be useful. You can do all the above prior to trying out Intrepid as well. :-) > About installing intrepid I found alpha 3 to download. > Is this version the correct version to try? Ha - the latest stuff from http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/daily-live/ would be the stuff to try. Remember, however, my caution about bleeding. Install this with a sense of humor and the expectation that your machine might need reinstalling. > Please, forgive my poor english end my dumb questions. No problem! Let's get you going. Will From ald0.nospam@scarlet.be Wed Aug 6 16:02:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E014B750065 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:02:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.311 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.311 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1783 hrs), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [212.71.1.194] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XBTm+xsNrQL4 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:02:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from lmailproxy01.edpnet.net (lmailproxy01.edpnet.net [212.71.1.194]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 652C3750082 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:02:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from starfish (213.219.189.41.adsl.dyn.edpnet.net [213.219.189.41]) by lmailproxy01.edpnet.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m76G28Fm001818; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:02:08 +0200 Received: by starfish (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 5B2E082C9; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:02:08 +0200 (CEST) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:02:08 +0200 From: Labrad0r To: Mike Pedersen Message-ID: <20080806160208.GF3306@starfish> References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93/7040/Tue May 6 03:52:15 2008 on lmailproxy01.edpnet.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:02:42 -0000 IMHO its mucht preferable to replace speaking progress bars aso by a sound beginning wich a lower freq to a higher one; that's IMHO much much better. From deprice@cs.utah.edu Wed Aug 6 19:27:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ECCEC7501C1 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:27:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.756 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.756 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 2656 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nGLwYEhdqSyT for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:27:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E8DA750281 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:26:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 344AA6500C8 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:26:28 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YJpnTL5W+Ch0 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 764EC6500C7 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 13:26:27 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <4899FAE4.6020902@cs.utah.edu> Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 13:26:28 -0600 From: "David E. Price" User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 2008080400) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Line navigation problem in Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: deprice@cs.utah.edu List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:27:42 -0000 Hi, I was just adding a comment to a bug that was flagged "need more info". I went to the page on Bugzilla, logged in, then used Orca's find utility (control-f) to move down to the "additional comments" field. I decided to arrow back up and read the most recent comment. However, as I arrowed upwards, the cursor crossed the two or three lines describing the "need info" state of the bug, then the cursor position jumped back down and I was arrowing up through the same two or three lines again. Can anyone who has a bug that "needs info" test this out and see if they can duplicate the behavior? Thanks, dave From christian08@runbox.com Wed Aug 6 19:54:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF378750121 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:54:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.203 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.204, BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 11306 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mt9KWIcnksAX for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:54:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1AB397500D5 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 19:53:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.161] (helo=patch.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KQp4s-00023D-Vx for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:53:46 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by patch.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) id 1KQp4s-0000uc-O1 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:53:46 +0200 Message-ID: <200808062153460675.0004B497@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:53:46 +0200 From: "Christian" To: orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 19:54:30 -0000 Hi all, Well, I decided to try the OpenSuse 11 Live CD so I downloaded it. I booted up the CD, pressed F9 and selected Opensuse. I then waited for the Gnome startup sound after I pressed alt-f2 and typed= orca, but nothing happened. I did not get the orca setup screen, or at least I got no speech. Has anyone experienced the same? Many thanks, Christian From rjc@MIT.EDU Wed Aug 6 20:02:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1B53D75023C for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:02:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.029 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.029 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.681, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TW_BG=0.077, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9 (firewall!), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [18.7.7.80] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id w0G3ZlBi+z0K for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:02:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5B3D97503AA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:00:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m76K08gi016598; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arlanda (ARLANDA.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as rjc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id m76K07tA007659 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:00:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <002f01c8f7ff$06d76640$65017112@mit.edu> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: "Luke Yelavich" References: <20080716141939.GA19217@marlon.yelavich.home> <20080716152756.GA16740@marlon.yelavich.home> <001201c8e78c$f6f86210$f1017112@mit.edu> <20080717090814.GA24451@marlon.yelavich.home> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 16:00:07 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu packages - binary vs. source X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:02:22 -0000 Luke wrote: >To find out what binary packages belong to a source package, run 'apt-cache >showsrc packagename' OK, when I try this for atk, I get nothing at all. What's up with dat? When I try it with gail, I get the following binary package names: Binary: libgail18, libgail-common, libgail-dev, libgail-dbg, libgail-doc You suggest in your message that saying "apt-get install libgail18" will do the right thing, so does this imply that the first binary package name will be all that is required to install all of gail, or must we install each of these binary packages in turn? Thanx much. -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" To: "Rich Caloggero" Sent: Thursday, July 17, 2008 5:08 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Announcing Ubuntu accessibility repository. > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Wed, Jul 16, 2008 at 10:43:19PM BST, Rich Caloggero wrote: >> I'm having a bit of trouble with the repository. It doesn't seem to find >> most of the package names you listed in your eMail. The only ones I've >> been able to install (or remove) by name are: >> * gnome-orca-stable gnome-orca-devel gnome-orca-svn >> * at-spi > > Thats interesting, because once I finished uploading everything to the > repository and made sure it was built, I added the repository to my > sources.list file and upgraded. Brltty, amongst others that I'd uploaded > including gail, were upgraded. Note that packages like gail, and > gnome-speech, aren't exactly called that in their binary form. For > example, gail is libgail18, and gnome-speech is libgnome-speech7. > > To find ou what binary packages belong to a source package, run 'apt-cache > showsrc packagename' > > Hope this helps. > > Luke > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIfwv+jVefwtBjIM4RAlO0AKDcERjdow65dJg1Jdqtra7vqJ6jSwCgjO1r > 8UQp4hCbUoxzxhuHcGlZ0fM= > =8Fte > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Wed Aug 6 20:45:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1148C7500AA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:45:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.597 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.597 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 176 hrs), (distance 29, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d3xS3eQI+AvD for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:45:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38013750090 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 20:45:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [83.55.30.150] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:45:15 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: "'Christian'" , Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:45:10 +0200 Message-ID: <000201c8f805$5455c050$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 In-Reply-To: <200808062153460675.0004B497@127.0.0.1> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: Re: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 20:45:48 -0000 Hi Christian, After booting OpenSuse with Orca, do the following: 1. Press alt + f2 to open the run dialog. 2. Type gnome-terminal and hit enter. 3. type su and hit enter 4. In case this asks for a password, just hit enter because this would be blank. 5. Type orca and hit enter. 6. Enjoy! :-) Robin > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org > [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Christian > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:54 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD > > > Hi all, > Well, I decided to try the OpenSuse 11 Live CD so I > downloaded it. I booted up the CD, pressed F9 and selected > Opensuse. I then waited for the Gnome startup sound after I > pressed alt-f2 and typed orca, but nothing happened. I did > not get the orca setup screen, or at least I got no speech. > Has anyone experienced the same? Many thanks, Christian > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From lists@digitaldarragh.com Wed Aug 6 21:10:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CCC8750130 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:10:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4829 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cxCflD2pDU1A for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:09:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C44AD7500D3 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:09:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.20.134] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KQqG0-0002Y2-0X; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:09:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:09:30 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD thread-index: Acj4B4l06GztYDzKS8G5CwvogX4NYwAAQHxw References: <200808062153460675.0004B497@127.0.0.1> From: "Darragh" To: "Robin Kipp" , "Christian" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:10:08 -0000 This will run Orca with root access.=20 Do not go into gnome-terminal until you are starting the installation.=20 Press alt+F2 and simply type orca. The first time the app is run it = will guide you through a setup wizard. You will beprompted to log off. = Hen logging in again, use the username Linux. You will not be prompted = for a password. Again, when back at the desktop, press alt + F2 and = type orca to start the screen reader. =20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Robin Kipp Sent: 06 August 2008 22:01 To: 'Christian'; orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD Hi Christian, After booting OpenSuse with Orca, do the following: 1. Press alt + f2 to open the run dialog. 2. Type gnome-terminal and hit enter. 3. type su and hit enter 4. In case this asks for a password, just hit enter because this would be blank. 5. Type orca and hit enter. 6. Enjoy! :-) Robin > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org=20 > [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Christian > Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 9:54 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD >=20 >=20 > Hi all, > Well, I decided to try the OpenSuse 11 Live CD so I=20 > downloaded it. I booted up the CD, pressed F9 and selected=20 > Opensuse. I then waited for the Gnome startup sound after I=20 > pressed alt-f2 and typed orca, but nothing happened. I did=20 > not get the orca setup screen, or at least I got no speech.=20 > Has anyone experienced the same? Many thanks, Christian >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >=20 _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From kb8aey@verizon.net Wed Aug 6 21:14:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B908F750296 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:14:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.363 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.363 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.134, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9.1 (up: 6386 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.252.46] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iGWGMPAahtZ8 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:14:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F5FE750158 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:13:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from DELL.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K57008V26YT8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 16:13:43 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms046.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike coulombe" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080806-0, 08/06/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is a good idea? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike coulombe List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:14:16 -0000 I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a great deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put together a basic guide for new users that will give them some basic information they can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use ubuntu as my main linux operating system so would describe it in this guide. However, I will also mention that there are several linux distributions that people can try. Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. If anyone has the current list of orca and gnome keyboard commands handy I am willing to include those lists at the end if you can send them to me. Mike. From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Wed Aug 6 21:30:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ABA175012E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:30:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 11810 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.90.176] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2j4hcbKojkxm for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:30:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.176]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B42CB750134 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:30:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so106006ika.7 for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:cc:subject:message-id :reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; bh=9mvV3FbG6ux2YH6eNeYY26BDSDBFL2jHLQLgEHHf0mM=; b=tcZE31YPRsLOukEophI0k6p6e+ydkMwdpr4kWsi4IQMX+KF5P9moA+ICLs5DdGueu5 8PZdde9g+tnYMVMvGJ0LqDewaqvUGezvETQCvV0NvLh9bbaN4lcXYaP+vJ1Tcv1BbHM6 OJteWh0tFYR+KCkkVXO3sCs8tcbVJdRBZsi24= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; b=WbDlx+M9seUQLQ5LaszbagyxHT3qdGKLl14odaI2LQg2wUVGbkVzjC/UNmNNLHWOS3 7FtMEIucxJ8LuhiYTz24tWw8Wtu79Y1XZQVXvlhmbri1ku+xOziyc/MBic+lnib2Njvu bQf6USrzPbmqVt0oZ9L9mV4xb/wtemIBFjAos= Received: by 10.210.22.8 with SMTP id 8mr3138771ebv.19.1218058220511; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [82.32.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm2882273gve.3.2008.08.06.14.30.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 14:30:20 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:30:08 +0100 To: mike coulombe Message-ID: <20080806213007.GA1244@mhdesktop> References: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Fcc: =bmh From: Jon Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is a good idea? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:30:45 -0000 Hi Mike, Your idea is GREAT! Although instead of making a separate document, what do you think about making the text available on the Orca Wiki? That way things can be updated more easely and linked to various existing pages. The wiki could do with some looking after. If you dont like using the wiki interface, if you send the updated content to the list, I'm sure someone would take the text and upload it for you. Once again, thanks in advance! -Jon On Wed 06/08/2008 at 16:13:43, mike coulombe wrote: > > I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. > > Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a great deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put together a basic guide for new users that will give them some basic information they can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use ubuntu as my main linux operating system so would describe it in this guide. However, I will also mention that there are several linux distributions that people can try. > Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. > If anyone has the current list of orca and gnome keyboard commands handy I am willing to include those lists at the end if you can send them to me. > Mike. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Aug 6 21:32:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FDA375017A for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:32:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.139.136] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ujjsUbHjzScr for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:32:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d20.mx.aol.com (imo-d20.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.136]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93658750121 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:32:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id h.d2a.2daa33d2 (37085) for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 17:32:06 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB067-90dd489a18323c8; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:32:05 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:38:50 +0100 Message-Id: <1218058730.19614.22.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Subject: [orca-list] orca key seems to be getting stuck on X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:32:43 -0000 Hello, I have been noticing recently that it seems like my orca key is sticking on. I have noticed this when I have gone in to the orca control panel (orca key+space) and then when I go to a checkbox or button and press space on the item to perform the action (eg. check a checkbox, push a button) I get a message saying that there is already an orca preferences window open. This behaviour seems to persist even when I have exited the orca preferences, and seems to be that the orca key is pressed for any key anywhere (eg. if I press alt+f2 for the run dialog and enter space it comes up with the orca preferences, if I enter q it asks if I want to exit orca). It seems to affect other commands such as for quit. As you might guess this is very annoying and difficult. Has anyone found this problem before? I am using orca from trunk (just updated about a minute before starting this email, r4088). Shall I turn on debugging and make a bug report with the logs? Michael Whapples From orca@tdlsoftware.org Wed Aug 6 21:41:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 654FB75012E for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:41:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.498 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.498 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 6.x (1) (up: 1572 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [64.72.116.197] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1zmq-3o2Gppi for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:41:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server2.hostultra.com (server2.hostultra.com [64.72.116.197]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF30B7500AA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:41:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 82.147.249.193.generic-hostname.arrownet.dk ([82.147.249.193] helo=WinVista) by server2.hostultra.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69 (FreeBSD)) (envelope-from ) id 1KQqka-000ILN-RO for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:40:57 +0000 Message-ID: <69C4915712B94B178E7DD5B5C2B9D4F6@WinVista> From: "Peter Laursen" To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:40:27 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F81D.CE0D7E70" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - server2.hostultra.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [26 6] / [26 6] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - tdlsoftware.org X-Source: /bin/sh X-Source-Args: /bin/sh /etc/rc.d/init.d/exim start X-Source-Dir: / Subject: [orca-list] Various Questions about Orca and web browsers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:41:56 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F81D.CE0D7E70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi everyone, Recently, I wrote that Orca 2-22.3 does not work with Firefox 3.0 on = FreeBSD 7.0 using Gnome 2.22, the same version that is used on the = latest version of Ubuntu. I have not been able to come closer as to why this is the case. Here are some questions: 1) Firefox 3.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 does not seem to have accessibility = support enabled. The plug-in located at https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2407 gave me that information. How does Orca communicate with Firefox 3.0? 2) The gnome web browser Epiphany works somewhat with Orca. The support = is not great, but one is at least able to browse most of the web pages. = Why is this web browser not supported? Can anything be done to support = this web browser? Firefox 3.0 is the only application I cannot get to work on FreeBSD. All = other applications (Open Office and so on) work flawlessly on FreeBSD. = Whenever Firefox 3 is opened on FreeBSD, Orca says "Mozilla Firefox = Inaccessible." I really hope that someone has some answers to the above questions. Regards, Peter. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F81D.CE0D7E70 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi everyone,
 
Recently, I wrote that Orca 2-22.3 does = not work=20 with Firefox 3.0 on FreeBSD 7.0 using Gnome 2.22, the same version that = is used=20 on the latest version of Ubuntu.
 
I have not been able to come closer as = to why this=20 is the case.
 
Here are some questions:
 
1) Firefox 3.0 on Ubuntu 8.04 does not = seem to have=20 accessibility support enabled. The plug-in located at
 
https://addo= ns.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/2407
 
gave me that information. How does Orca = communicate=20 with Firefox 3.0?
 
2) The gnome web browser Epiphany works = somewhat=20 with Orca. The support is not great, but one is at least able to browse = most of=20 the web pages. Why is this web browser not supported? Can anything be = done to=20 support this web browser?
 
Firefox 3.0 is the only application I = cannot get to=20 work on FreeBSD. All other applications (Open Office and so on) work = flawlessly=20 on FreeBSD. Whenever Firefox 3 is opened on FreeBSD, Orca says "Mozilla = Firefox=20 Inaccessible."
 
I really hope that someone has some = answers to the=20 above questions.
 
Regards,
 
Peter.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C8F81D.CE0D7E70-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 6 21:48:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93637750121 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:48:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h54sCj8GsX4c for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:48:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14B7B7501A9 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:48:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m76LmFAD029776 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 21:48:15 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K570030189SQA00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:48:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K57003ZN8KEZ690@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 15:48:14 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 17:47:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mike coulombe Message-id: <489A1BE0.2040506@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is a good idea? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:48:50 -0000 Hi Mike: I think this is a great idea. If there's stuff that applies to GNOME in general and is not specific to Ubuntu, we should also make sure it gets into the GNOME Accessibility Guide. Vincent Alexander is working on it now and his latest draft is here: http://www.snoringbeagle.net/gag.html Will mike coulombe wrote: > I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. > > Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a great deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put together a basic guide for new users that will give them some basic information they can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use ubuntu as my main linux operating system so would describe it in this guide. However, I will also mention that there are several linux distributions that people can try. > Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. > If anyone has the current list of orca and gnome keyboard commands handy I am willing to include those lists at the end if you can send them to me. > Mike. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From rjc@MIT.EDU Wed Aug 6 22:19:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB3517500AA for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:19:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.439 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.439 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.196, BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9 (firewall!), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [18.7.7.80] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2JcloysV8IGw for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:19:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DB1C75010A for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 22:19:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m76MJ4mn007500; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from arlanda (ARLANDA.MIT.EDU [18.113.1.101]) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as rjc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id m76MJ301011736 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:19:04 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <00b201c8f812$6f730d90$65017112@mit.edu> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: "Luke Yelavich" References: <20080716141939.GA19217@marlon.yelavich.home> <20080716152756.GA16740@marlon.yelavich.home> <001201c8e78c$f6f86210$f1017112@mit.edu> <20080717090814.GA24451@marlon.yelavich.home> <002f01c8f7ff$06d76640$65017112@mit.edu> <20080806220206.GA10666@brainz.yelavich.home> Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 18:19:03 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu packages - binary vs. source X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:19:50 -0000 Hmm, when I add the following to my sources.list file, I get an error as shown: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/accessibility-dev/ubuntu hardy main E: Could not open file /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_accessibility-dev_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_source_Sources - open (2 No such file or directory) This happens for every apt-cache showsrc command I issue. COmmenting this line out makes the error go away. Do I have the wrong URL here? I looked at other deb-src entries in the file and they seemed to use the same URL as their deb counterparts. Thanx. -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Luke Yelavich" To: "Rich Caloggero" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 6:02 PM Subject: Re: Ubuntu packages - binary vs. source > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 06:00:07AM EST, Rich Caloggero wrote: >> Luke wrote: >>> To find out what binary packages belong to a source package, run >>> 'apt-cache showsrc packagename' >> >> OK, when I try this for atk, I get nothing at all. What's up with dat? >> > > YOu have to put a source line in your /etc/apt/sources.list, like this: > > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/accessibility-dev/ubuntu hardy main > >> When I try it with gail, I get the following binary package names: >> Binary: libgail18, libgail-common, libgail-dev, libgail-dbg, libgail-doc >> >> You suggest in your message that saying "apt-get install libgail18" will >> do the right thing, so does this imply that the first binary package name >> will be all that is required to install all of gail, or must we install >> each of these binary packages in turn? > > Unless one package depends on another, say libgail-dev depending on > libgail18, you have to install these in turn. > > Luke > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFImh9ejVefwtBjIM4RAvQKAKDGT4mfgIN4SzX1We56MfSmacyxRwCdHJWL > 99xEJsN5ex0pxmbcaa9gMc4= > =4+an > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > From themuso@ubuntu.com Wed Aug 6 23:03:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AE67500A8 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:03:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:54:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.16.214.57] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MR7YfCE+uk+4 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:03:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9EEF2750066 for ; Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:03:20 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGLJmUh5LF+c/2dsb2JhbACtUw X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,317,1215354600"; d="scan'208";a="175880056" Received: from ppp121-44-95-156.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO localhost) ([121.44.95.156]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2008 08:33:07 +0930 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:03:05 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20080806230243.GA20197@brainz.yelavich.home> References: <20080716141939.GA19217@marlon.yelavich.home> <20080716152756.GA16740@marlon.yelavich.home> <001201c8e78c$f6f86210$f1017112@mit.edu> <20080717090814.GA24451@marlon.yelavich.home> <002f01c8f7ff$06d76640$65017112@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <002f01c8f7ff$06d76640$65017112@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu packages - binary vs. source X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 23:03:45 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 06:00:07AM EST, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Luke wrote: >> To find out what binary packages belong to a source package, run >> 'apt-cache showsrc packagename' > > OK, when I try this for atk, I get nothing at all. What's up with dat? > YOu have to put a source line in your /etc/apt/sources.list, like this: deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/accessibility-dev/ubuntu hardy main > When I try it with gail, I get the following binary package names: > Binary: libgail18, libgail-common, libgail-dev, libgail-dbg, libgail-doc > > You suggest in your message that saying "apt-get install libgail18" will > do the right thing, so does this imply that the first binary package name > will be all that is required to install all of gail, or must we install > each of these binary packages in turn? Unless one package depends on another, say libgail-dev depending on libgail18, you have to install these in turn. Luke - -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImi2TjVefwtBjIM4RApH4AKDxiTUrhrE3sEhVfljVvUDN4QQySQCghtFU 6PxcEPwfBFRUQ/DpknubOgw= =fxmW - -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImi2pjVefwtBjIM4RAufIAKC+Vn82GYJ3tDEcFzXiUFbMdhpSZgCgx9Im h0Aa7HFjg4idczfRi0+Eg84= =NzYM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From themuso@ubuntu.com Thu Aug 7 00:19:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950017500E5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:19:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.303 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.303 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:54:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.16.214.57] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SmDFbkpS6WUk for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:19:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net (ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.214.57]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E03C7500D3 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:19:24 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAOzamUh5LF+c/2dsb2JhbACtOA X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,317,1215354600"; d="scan'208";a="175933518" Received: from ppp121-44-95-156.lns10.syd6.internode.on.net (HELO localhost) ([121.44.95.156]) by ipmail04.adl2.internode.on.net with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2008 09:49:15 +0930 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 10:19:13 +1000 From: Luke Yelavich To: Rich Caloggero Message-ID: <20080807001913.GA31613@brainz.yelavich.home> References: <20080716141939.GA19217@marlon.yelavich.home> <20080716152756.GA16740@marlon.yelavich.home> <001201c8e78c$f6f86210$f1017112@mit.edu> <20080717090814.GA24451@marlon.yelavich.home> <002f01c8f7ff$06d76640$65017112@mit.edu> <20080806220206.GA10666@brainz.yelavich.home> <00b201c8f812$6f730d90$65017112@mit.edu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <00b201c8f812$6f730d90$65017112@mit.edu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Ubuntu packages - binary vs. source X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 00:19:43 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thu, Aug 07, 2008 at 08:19:03AM EST, Rich Caloggero wrote: > Hmm, when I add the following to my sources.list file, I get an error as > shown: > deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/accessibility-dev/ubuntu hardy main > > E: Could not open file > /var/lib/apt/lists/ppa.launchpad.net_accessibility-dev_ubuntu_dists_hardy_main_source_Sources > - open (2 No such file or directory) Did you run sudo apt-get update after adding the sources line? I have no problems with that line here. Luke -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFImj+BjVefwtBjIM4RAp8EAJ9uk9CVLlSQ22I3NlsLGRSQIEKnlACfeeCt w2/BJVuuSVUiYcLWP6stoVo= =xI2J -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From doug@douglawlor.com Thu Aug 7 04:30:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ABDB175002F for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:30:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 18, link: ethernet/modem), [206.47.199.163] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WB4t9PZLQLht for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:29:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net [206.47.199.163]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 723ED750050 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from simip9.srvr.bell.ca ([206.47.199.87]) by simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.5.01.06.13 201-253-122-130-113-20050324) with ESMTP id <20080807042928.IHWH1673.simmts5-srv.bellnexxia.net@simip9.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 00:29:28 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AiwCAFcUmkiOorDV/2dsb2JhbAAIrHo Received: from stjhnf0112w-142162176213.pppoe-dynamic.nl.aliant.net (HELO [192.168.2.11]) ([142.162.176.213]) by alconsout.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 07 Aug 2008 00:34:41 -0400 Message-ID: <489A7A2A.8010801@douglawlor.com> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 01:59:30 -0230 From: Doug Lawlor User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (X11; 2008072900) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca screen reader developers References: <1217958521.6641.2.camel@mini> <18584.54893.843940.454314@zip.bunting.net.au> In-Reply-To: <18584.54893.843940.454314@zip.bunting.net.au> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] the speaking of progress bars X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:30:04 -0000 I agree with turning this functionality on as well. I always have it turned on with any other screen reader I use. Doug Bart Bunting wrote: > I think this is a sensible default. I personally always turn it on. > > Regards > Bart > > Mike Pedersen writes: > > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress bar > > speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the case and > > would like to change it for 2.24. > > > > thanks > > > > Mike Pedersen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Thu Aug 7 04:50:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9E4750087 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:50:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.909 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.909 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FAKE_REPLY_C=2.012, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 11883 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.90.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6gaSTwrlVkci for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:49:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ik-out-1112.google.com (ik-out-1112.google.com [66.249.90.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81000750090 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:49:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ik-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id c29so250423ika.7 for ; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:49:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:subject:message-id :reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent :fcc:from; bh=Rbb5a4pe9TnYa7lzbdSfoy5d7dUYJeTdmXRLtJrFXUA=; b=lHHArLhbUB4Mi4DHM+CRCbgr7OveEZOgVBXyHj0/m4FZ9P5XFtgIpZZRatI8jJrsho aj6/d8NPf6tvdUWdJzdBthdEvMD7XgHEMnVnYOepu8B/E33XprW69bknLfpa5rI90J+g 10nUf41feHe6lazwq2Sjjln/HeEaTF2sckxAA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent:fcc:from; b=IbVLij2SwAdGhIw0VHPaR9HlQyrocvIk+SmaTbxToTKwZqDzVcaEGwd8a1x4wUfKZP GNwC0CWMN2fO5SKrcR0QB4f0AeaGXjYpJa0MJachGxTd8bippyIVufaxJRYwW7BhTcz8 47HEatrMI2euKXWlDrsNpOqZnVuMnAhNFJu3M= Received: by 10.210.47.1 with SMTP id u1mr3436703ebu.133.1218084554446; Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:49:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [82.32.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm4520706nfv.15.2008.08.06.21.49.12 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 06 Aug 2008 21:49:13 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:49:01 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080807044900.GA456@mhdesktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Fcc: =bmh From: Jon Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is agood idea? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:50:15 -0000 sorry forwarding this to list, since it was sent to me directly. ----- Forwarded message from pat wise ----- From: "pat wise" To: "Jon" Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is agood idea? Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 23:25:50 -0400 I'm a new linux user and I think it's an excellent idea. go for it!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jon" To: "mike coulombe" Cc: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 5:30 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is agood idea? >Hi Mike, > >Your idea is GREAT! > >Although instead of making a separate document, what do you think about >making the text available on the Orca Wiki? That way things can be >updated more easely and linked to various existing pages. > >The wiki could do with some looking after. >If you dont like using the wiki interface, if you send the updated >content to the list, I'm sure someone would take the text and upload it >for you. > >Once again, thanks in advance! >-Jon >On Wed 06/08/2008 at 16:13:43, mike coulombe wrote: >> >> I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. >> >> Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a >>great deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put >>together a basic guide for new users that will give them some basic >>information they can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use >>ubuntu as my main linux operating system so would describe it in this >>guide. However, I will also mention that there are several linux >>distributions that people can try. >> Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to >>suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. >>If anyone has the current list of orca and gnome keyboard commands handy >>I am willing to include those lists at the end if you can send them to >>me. >> Mike. >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Orca-list mailing list >>Orca-list@gnome.org >>http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > >-- >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG. >Version: 7.5.526 / Virus Database: 270.5.12/1596 - Release Date: 8/6/2008 >4:55 PM > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Thu Aug 7 04:56:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B12F750083 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 04:56:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.587 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.587 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, FAKE_REPLY_C=2.012] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 04:56:04 -0000 forwarding this to list aswell, but my response to the post would be that at least the document would be up to date and conclusive. People might have their safe environment for reading documents alongside their experementation with orca. Although the beginner help being provided as the user starts orca has previously been suggested, and would probably be a good idea. -Jon ----- Forwarded message from Herzog ----- From: Herzog To: Jon , mike coulombe Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is a good idea? Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2008 22:31:19 -0400 Jaws has or had a dual F1 pressed key that gave starter info. Beginners are not on the internet already, so going to sites is not useful, until one learns how to get there. Then the wiki' can function. But basic navigation is needed first. Will Herzog Jon wrote: >Hi Mike, > >Your idea is GREAT! > >Although instead of making a separate document, what do you think about >making the text available on the Orca Wiki? That way things can be >updated more easely and linked to various existing pages. > >The wiki could do with some looking after. >If you dont like using the wiki interface, if you send the updated >content to the list, I'm sure someone would take the text and upload it >for you. > >Once again, thanks in advance! >-Jon >On Wed 06/08/2008 at 16:13:43, mike coulombe wrote: > >> I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. >> >> Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a great >> deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put together a >> basic guide for new users that will give them some basic information >> they can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use ubuntu as my >> main linux operating system so would describe it in this guide. >> However, I will also mention that there are several linux distributions >> that people can try. >> Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to >> suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. If anyone has >>the current list of orca and gnome keyboard commands handy I am willing to >>include those lists at the end if you can send them to me. >> Mike. >> >> > > > > > > > > ----- End forwarded message ----- From FDMA@once.es Thu Aug 7 05:52:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DEF7750078 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:52:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.816 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.816 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.431, BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S23:46:0:52:M1460, N, W0, N, N, S:.:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [217.149.152.66] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3EkljVaPOR7s for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:52:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx.once.es (mx.once.es [217.149.152.66]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A0FE750065 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 05:52:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from onnlmxfe1b.once.intranet.local (unknown [172.24.6.57]) by mx.once.es (Postfix) with ESMTP id 578D84BDE; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:52:16 +0200 (MEST) Received: from ONCEMAIL1.once.intranet.local ([172.24.6.53]) by onnlmxfe1b.once.intranet.local with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:54:40 +0200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.1830 Content-class: urn:content-classes:message MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 07:54:39 +0200 Message-ID: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] is very urgent Thread-Index: Acj3jb/Gc150K95rQW60uUEXW9UHQwAwmd7Q From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dorado_Mart=EDnez=2C_Francisco_Javier?= Importance: normal Priority: normal To: "Johan Trujillo" , X-OriginalArrivalTime: 07 Aug 2008 05:54:40.0538 (UTC) FILETIME=[151E67A0:01C8F852] Subject: Re: [orca-list] is very urgent X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 05:52:57 -0000 Hi all Johan, what accessibility problems are you experimenting with Evolution? Evolution is quite accessible since 2.6.1 version and is well supported = by Orca. Although some accessibility bugs are registered, it works very nice. I know that many beginner people have problems navigating the interface = so I will write some notes to help on this.=20 Johan, If you wish, you can also subscribe to tiflolinux mailing list, = to discuss GNU/Linux, accessibility and Orca in spanish language. Visit = www.tiflolinux.org for the main page And orca.tiflolinux.org for the Orca wiki in spanish. Hope this help, Javier. Este mensaje y cualquier fichero anexo se dirigen exclusivamente a su = destinatario y pueden contener informaci=C3=B3n privilegiada o = CONFIDENCIAL. Si no es Vd. el destinatario indicado, queda notificado de = que la utilizaci=C3=B3n, divulgaci=C3=B3n y/o copia sin = autorizaci=C3=B3n est=C3=A1 prohibida en virtud de la legislaci=C3=B3n = vigente. Si ha recibido este mensaje por error, le rogamos que nos lo = comunique inmediatamente por esta misma v=C3=ADa y proceda a su = destrucci=C3=B3n. ***Antes de imprimir este mensaje o sus anexos, aseg=C3=BArese de que es = necesario. El medio ambiente est=C3=A1 en nuestra mano*** De: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] En = nombre de Johan Trujillo Enviado el: mi=C3=A9rcoles, 06 de agosto de 2008 16:29 Para: orca-list@gnome.org Asunto: [orca-list] is very urgent El mar, 05-08-2008 a las 15:09 -0400, Guy Schlosser escribi=C3=B3: > helo my name is johan trujillo from venezuela and I have 1 question I = > am using the evolution bad I can't have to mouch accesivility what I = have to do? pleace hel me I have de orca vertion 2.23 thanl you=20 > =20 > Please do turn it on by default. Whenever I install Ubuntu for=20 > someone, > I always forget that I have to turn progress messages on. >=20 > Thanks, >=20 >=20 > Guy > Mike Pedersen wrote: > > Hi all, does anyone have any strong objection to turning progress=20 > > bar speaking on by default. I've long felt that this should be the=20 > > case and would like to change it for 2.24. > > > > thanks > > > > Mike Pedersen > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > =20 >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From jbsn@tpg.com.au Thu Aug 7 09:00:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 004417501D5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:00:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.397 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.397 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496, RDNS_NONE=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:216:1:60:M1460, S, T, N, W2:.:?:?] (up: 3735 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [203.12.160.104] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WWn9s6Gueebo for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 09:00:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail9.tpgi.com.au (unknown [203.12.160.104]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74D547500C0 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 08:59:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from arnold (60-240-255-203.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.255.203]) by mail9.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from jbsn@tpg.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m778xA84029122 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:59:12 +1000 Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:01:35 +1000 From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson To: mike coulombe Message-ID: <20080807090135.GA3307@arnold> References: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0K57008V86YU8SZ0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is a good idea? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 09:00:15 -0000 Hello Mike, On Wed, Aug 06, 2008 at 04:13:43PM -0500, mike coulombe wrote: > > I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. > > Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a great deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put together a basic guide for new users that will give them some basic information they can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use ubuntu as my main linux operating system so would describe it in this guide. However, I will also mention that there are several linux distributions that people can try. > Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. I think it's a very good thought. It would be a good idea to include the main differences between the major distribution groups - Redhat and Debian. It would also be a good idea to mention that Linux offers non-gui solutions which, at the moment, offer alternative which are more easily accessible. Bertil From christian08@runbox.com Thu Aug 7 12:02:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E6E9750152 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:02:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 11467 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4-3GAgrPm6EB for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:02:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A47E77500D3 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 12:01:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.162] (helo=pepper.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KR4BU-0006e5-1J; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:01:36 +0200 Received: from [90.234.75.74] (helo=Inbox) by pepper.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:RSA_ARCFOUR_MD5:16) (Exim 4.50) id 1KR4BR-0001gn-Sm; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:01:35 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Christian Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:01:06 +0200 Importance: normal X-Priority: 3 To: Darragh , Robin Kipp , Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Message-Id: <20080807120211.A47E77500D3@menubar.gnome.org> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 12:02:21 -0000 Hi, Many thanks for your reply. That's what I've done but as I said no speech. Best regards and thanks, Christian -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: "Darragh" Till: "Robin Kipp" ; "Christian" ; orca-list@gnome.org Skickat: 08-08-06 23:09 =C4mne: RE: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD This will run Orca with root access.=20 Do not go into gnome-terminal until you are starting the installation.=20 Press alt+F2 and simply type orca. The first time the app is run it will g= uide you through a setup wizard. You will beprompted to log off. Hen logg= ing in again, use the username Linux. You will not be prompted for a passw= ord. Again, when back at the desktop, press alt + F2 and type orca to star= t the screen reader. =20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server support= , Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On B= ehalf Of Robin Kipp Sent: 06 August 2008 22:01 To: 'Christian'; orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Running Orca from OpenSuse LiveCD Hi Christian, After booting OpenSuse with Orca, do the following: From sergionevess@gmail.com Thu Aug 7 13:46:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7815C750188 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:46:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.716 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.716 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_PAST_24_48=1.219, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 245 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eCJx3UVDM3ta for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:46:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0DE875031E for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 13:46:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so160299nfi.23 for ; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=XEp9vN+LyVgPFt50YiyA7Dddcqb/8litEL955+mkiTM=; b=owc9a0iGWbNVjq+yieMDmG1Keg54nsvvl5x9hp9nAhqrSYgOP/h1RWQ94uEDZuyHXb IuS1A4wb/9up502gHy2E5zAIxsJVQV5Yy9jS19ZULCILnKFCfzOaKsvEny9O3kjiBZqW ymXYw19+K9cWBntgcrAM4DzEDsxnk7PbMVkkc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=MBcQndC+an5Wnta0mROCtvfuVEh6gYAozpSuzBC9QEzd4hhE5exB1EWw9FuhZr3mOA 6RLUNWRqeCsjaY7gU0PH7eBrThqZ4bH4OrQzaHzzNw905NvmbrCxHz75rdQpJWLVIbMV ArWHQMV7ozKL+X4GPsVK2wRCl7WlXZwGnL2qI= Received: by 10.210.125.13 with SMTP id x13mr3522247ebc.191.1218116778312; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:46:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ricardo ( [83.132.125.88]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id f4sm2589639nfh.27.2008.08.07.06.46.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 07 Aug 2008 06:46:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Neves?= To: Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2008 09:25:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 x-mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Espeak variants on orca preferences X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 13:46:44 -0000 Hi all, Is there some way to chose the espeak variant voice on orca preferences or through a configuration file? It seems orca has always the same variants independently of the number of files that exist on /usr/share/espeak-data/voices/!v. I've deleted all of the files in this directory and orca presents the same variants: female1 2 and 3, male1 2 and 3, and child male and child female. Thanks Best regards Sérgio Neves From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 7 14:40:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 859137501D5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:40:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I9LUbPlE+tW6 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:40:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0257B75018C for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:39:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m77EdZc1003220 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 14:39:35 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5800701J1XB100@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:39:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5800GNMJDP3W00@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 08:39:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 10:38:22 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Neves?= Message-id: <489B08DE.7090003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Espeak variants on orca preferences X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:40:09 -0000 Orca currently doesn't do this. A while back, Veli-Pekka Tätilä posted some good tips for customizing eSpeak, though: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2008-July/msg00320.html Hope this helps, Will Sérgio Neves wrote: > Hi all, > Is there some way to chose the espeak variant voice on orca preferences or > through a configuration file? > It seems orca has always the same variants independently of the number of > files that exist on /usr/share/espeak-data/voices/!v. I've deleted all of > the files in this directory and orca presents the same variants: female1 2 > and 3, male1 2 and 3, and child male and child female. > > Thanks > Best regards > > Sérgio Neves > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 7 17:01:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05C5375022A for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:01:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.498 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.498 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, NO_DNS_FOR_FROM=1.496] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 6282 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id F4WBndLg9VIH for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 17:01:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C6909750793 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4046F3B455 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:56:29 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C5E128006 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:56:32 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id k4ib-yslgJT5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:56:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA40C28005 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:56:31 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37378AC1FA for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:56:31 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <5C4F1D954C3749B6A51D84F958F17BB7@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:58:06 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0333_01C8F8BF.86FEB2E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] some discussions for making Orca to work with Opensuse 11.0 installation program X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:01:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0333_01C8F8BF.86FEB2E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear developers of Orca, I would like to please You with highest respect to Your time and = work, if You could try to find The way to perform accessible = installation of Opensuse 11.0 with Orca. I have Opensuse version 11.0 = desktop CD with Gnome on my mind. I Am not professional like a = developers of Orca or so clever like A core developers of Linux = distributions. But eventhough I Am not so experienced developer with = many knowledge, I tried to do somethink to enable visually impaired to = install Opensuse 11.0 from A live CD to A hard drive. My approach is not = from my own head, somebody published this approach previously how to = install Orca-UbuntuFeisty - GNOME Live! . So I only had to extract = necessary information from A desktop icon, which is starting Opensuse = installation. But eventhough I have done this, it was not possible to = install Opensuse by launching The installation program from Gnome = terminal Window. Orca could not get necessary events, so I was not able = to choose language, I had no needed feetback from Orca to use = installation program successfully.=20 I could only read some lines by using arrow keys, but no focus events = was supported by pressing TAB.=20 Installation program for UbuntuFeisty has probably specially = programmed for using it from Gnome Terminal Window, or Orca code was = specially adapted for using ubyquity program. I started to think about next approach. But it is probably inpossible = because of internal limitations when running Opensuse Live CD and Gnome. = I thought, if user could normally boot to a Gnome desktop and after = finishing loading of all modules, user could press CTRL+ALT+Backspace = twice and next, user could logon as A root. But: will Opensuse allow to = logon as A root user and will be possible to start Gnome? After user = would logon as a root, user could start Orca and press Enter, user could = answer Orca configuration questions, user had to logout and logon again = with root user name and Then, user could start Orca again and could = start installation program for Opensuse by using standard desktop icon. = Because Orca would be started as A root user and installation program = could also run as a root user. If this approach is also inpossible, please is there any chance to = execute installation of Opensuse like a root user and Orca also like A = root user when booting from A live CD? If Orca included with version of = Gnome would have difficulty with accessing dialogs of installation = programs, (I think that this would not to happen), because if I = understood everythink right, The Orca is not able to provide its = services for applications, which are executed like a root user and if = Orca is executed from a non root level, for Example, like Ubuntu user in = The Ubuntu Linux distribution, or like A Linux user name in The = opensuse. Please do not write Me similar answers like: Why You are using Opensuse, when Ubuntu Linux is specially adapted for = visually impaired users. I want to install Opensuse distribution, = because The reliability of interaction between Orca and Festival = synthesizer is much more better than interaction between Espeak and Orca = in The Ubuntu distribution. In The Opensuse, when I press CTRL key, The = Festival stop speaking immediately, sometimes I think, that I Am using = Jaws Screen Reader for Windows with The most expensive commercial text = to speech engine. Orca is working so reliably and stably with Festival = synthesizer. If there is really no chance to perform accessible Opensuse installation = while booting from A desktop CD with Gnome, because core developers of = Opensuse distribution would have to make complex changes to The whole = package, I will respect it with big sad inside my soul. I Am writing = this little discussion E-mail to please core developers of Orca or = others advanced Linux user for their time, so they could write some = E-mail to this conference about this topic. I really done maximum for = finding reliable procedure for installing Opensuse with Orca, = unfortunately, I Am totally blind and experimenting with logon and = logout is not simple task for me, because there is no Screen Reader = which is not depend on The accessibility architecture. I do not know, if = even yasr could help me. I think, that no. Here is The command line for launching Opensuse installation program. yast2 live-installer=20 Thank You very much for Your analysis of my E-mail. I believe, that = somebody will try to find The solution. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel ------=_NextPart_000_0333_01C8F8BF.86FEB2E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear developers of Orca,
 
    I would like to = please You with=20 highest respect to Your time and work, if You could try to find The way = to=20 perform accessible installation of Opensuse 11.0 with Orca. I have = Opensuse=20 version 11.0 desktop CD with Gnome on my mind. I Am not professional = like a=20 developers of Orca or so clever like A core developers of Linux = distributions.=20 But eventhough I Am not so experienced developer with many knowledge, I = tried to=20 do somethink to enable visually impaired to install Opensuse 11.0 from A = live CD=20 to A hard drive. My approach is not from my own head, somebody published = this=20 approach previously how to install   Orca-UbuntuFeisty - = GNOME=20 Live! . So I only had to extract necessary information from A desktop = icon,=20 which is starting Opensuse installation. But eventhough I have done = this, it was=20 not possible to install Opensuse by launching The installation program = from=20 Gnome terminal Window. Orca could not get necessary events, so I was not = able to=20 choose language, I had no needed feetback from Orca to use=20 installation program successfully.
I could only read some lines by using = arrow keys,=20 but no focus events was supported by pressing TAB.
    Installation=20 program for UbuntuFeisty   has probably specially = programmed=20 for using it from Gnome Terminal Window, or Orca code was specially = adapted for=20 using ubyquity program.
 
I started to think about next approach. = But it is=20 probably inpossible because of internal limitations when running = Opensuse Live=20 CD and Gnome. I thought, if user could normally boot to a Gnome desktop = and=20 after finishing loading of all modules, user could press = CTRL+ALT+Backspace=20 twice and next, user could logon as A root. But: will Opensuse allow to = logon as=20 A root user and will be possible to start Gnome? After user would logon = as a=20 root, user could start Orca and press Enter, user could answer Orca=20 configuration questions, user had to logout and logon again with root = user name=20 and Then, user could start Orca again and could start installation = program for=20 Opensuse by using standard desktop icon. Because Orca would be started = as A root=20 user and installation program could also run as a root = user.
 
If this approach is also inpossible, = please is=20 there any chance to execute installation of Opensuse like a root user = and Orca=20 also like A root user when booting from A live CD? If Orca included with = version=20 of Gnome would have difficulty with accessing dialogs of installation = programs,=20 (I think that this would not to happen), because if I understood = everythink=20 right, The Orca is not able to provide its services for applications, = which are=20 executed like a root user and if Orca is executed from a non root level, = for=20 Example, like Ubuntu user in The Ubuntu Linux distribution, or like A = Linux user=20 name in The opensuse.
 
    Please do not write = Me similar=20 answers like:
 
Why You are using Opensuse, when Ubuntu = Linux is=20 specially adapted for visually impaired users. I want to install = Opensuse=20 distribution, because The reliability of interaction between Orca and = Festival=20 synthesizer is much more better than interaction between Espeak and Orca = in The=20 Ubuntu distribution. In The Opensuse, when I press CTRL key, The = Festival stop=20 speaking immediately, sometimes I think, that I Am using Jaws Screen = Reader for=20 Windows with The most expensive commercial text to speech engine. Orca = is=20 working so reliably and stably with Festival synthesizer.
 
If there is really no chance to perform = accessible=20 Opensuse installation while booting from A desktop CD with Gnome, = because core=20 developers of Opensuse distribution would have to make complex changes = to The=20 whole package, I will respect it with big sad inside my soul. I Am = writing this=20 little discussion E-mail to please core developers of Orca or others = advanced=20 Linux user for their time, so they could write some E-mail to this = conference=20 about this topic. I really done maximum for finding reliable procedure = for=20 installing Opensuse with Orca, unfortunately, I Am totally blind and=20 experimenting with logon and logout is not simple task for me, because = there=20 is no Screen Reader which is not depend on The accessibility = architecture.=20 I do not know, if even yasr could help me. I think, that = no.
 
Here is The command line for launching = Opensuse=20 installation program.
 
yast2 live-installer
 
Thank You very much for Your analysis = of my E-mail.=20 I believe, that somebody will try to find The solution.
 
The kindness regards.
 
Janusz Chmiel
 
------=_NextPart_000_0333_01C8F8BF.86FEB2E0-- From prakashchandra_1000@yahoo.co.in Thu Aug 7 19:05:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8704875007E for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:05:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.001 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_80=2, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 6.x (1) (up: 8003 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [209.191.84.65] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Wchezm0spsg9 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:05:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp112.mail.mud.yahoo.com (smtp112.mail.mud.yahoo.com [209.191.84.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 0BCDC75008A for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:05:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 60824 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 19:05:26 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.co.in; h=Received:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:Message-ID:From:To:Subject:Date:MIME-Version:Content-Type:X-Priority:X-MSMail-Priority:X-Mailer:Disposition-Notification-To:X-MimeOLE; b=wuWOGYs0Nn9AKnkSVQgRSIYd/gRJ3v9as2cAvVrIhHBM102/aClqUaUw4fEP+RwSvjWZYV+e3yt1KfAJonwjYfFd10pxES5E8lqsE91mZvKlKaxVGxZVHRrGEfFgvO48CSZ7K/1AIqoS0/h2feK0bFYZNbqk6i4cT0TqkRvzpVI= ; Received: from unknown (HELO pram) (prakashchandra_1000@59.180.131.113 with login) by smtp112.mail.mud.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 Aug 2008 19:05:25 -0000 X-YMail-OSG: tkXlXmQVM1k4B5DeHgGu2RS6kjbODJ1nfNP5U2d.hl_P8oX8vs1YzcxIzVbIUW8GX2awazdPIfTa7f_wmAEa16XIfejvijl2xEoa5gnfHHkLT4.5YutMVREy7IGRGhVwH28- X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 Message-ID: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> From: "prakash" To: Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 00:35:16 +0530 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F8EE.A103B9E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:05:57 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F8EE.A103B9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable hello friends=20 i am prakash from india=20 i am new for this list=20 and new for linux also=20 i have a dout about good synthisiser for orca=20 i read about i b m tts=20 via voice ,tt-synth and voxin=20 there are great diffrence among the cost of=20 there softwares so please clear my dout which best for personal use = because i am a student=20 which is the good in performance and in affordable in prize ...=20 thank you ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F8EE.A103B9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
hello friends
i am prakash from india
i am new for this list
and new for linux also
i have a dout about good synthisiser = for orca=20
i read about i b m tts
via voice ,tt-synth and voxin =
there are great diffrence among the = cost of=20
there softwares so please clear my dout = which best=20 for personal use because i am a student
which is the good in performance and in = affordable=20 in prize ...
 
thank you  =
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01C8F8EE.A103B9E0-- From steve@steve-audio.net Thu Aug 7 19:17:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8FBE75015C for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:17:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.902 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.902 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RDNS_NONE=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:51:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W4:.:?:?] (up: 8725 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [69.80.243.206] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KZe7IbAioMet for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:17:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sergei.servers.tbrntech.com (unknown [69.80.243.206]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C577475008A for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 19:17:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] (68-116-249-75.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com [68.116.249.75]) by sergei.servers.tbrntech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5BF23539B37 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:16:59 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <489B4A29.4070002@steve-audio.net> Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 14:16:57 -0500 From: Stephen Clower User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list@gnome.org References: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> In-Reply-To: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060706090505080102050604" Subject: Re: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:17:21 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060706090505080102050604 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Prakash, TTSynth and Voxin are virtually the same product. They use the exact same speech engine and accompanying library files. The only difference, aside from the price, is that the voxin installer targets Debian Linux variants such as Ubuntu, and TTSynth is designed specifically for RPM-based distributions like Fedora. Addon packages like the Speakup connector will compile and work with either synthesizer; the same is also true for gnome-speech, speech dispatcher, emacspeak, etc. I have also seen regular updates to voxin for continued compatibility with Ubuntu, but not so many with TTSynth. TTSynth may not require as many, however, since its package is in a different format. To summarize, use voxin in Ubuntu, and TTSynth in Fedora. Just know that you gain nothing special with the premium price of TTSynth aside from an RPM file. Best regards, Steve prakash wrote: > hello friends > i am prakash from india > i am new for this list > and new for linux also > i have a dout about good synthisiser for orca > i read about i b m tts > via voice ,tt-synth and voxin > there are great diffrence among the cost of > there softwares so please clear my dout which best for personal use > because i am a student > which is the good in performance and in affordable in prize ... > > thank you > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --------------060706090505080102050604 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hello Prakash,

TTSynth and Voxin are virtually the same product. They use the exact same speech engine and accompanying library files. The only difference, aside from the price, is that the voxin installer targets Debian Linux variants such as Ubuntu, and TTSynth is designed specifically for RPM-based distributions like Fedora. Addon packages like the Speakup connector will compile and work with either synthesizer; the same is also true for gnome-speech, speech dispatcher, emacspeak, etc. I have also seen regular updates to voxin for continued compatibility with Ubuntu, but not so many with TTSynth. TTSynth may not require as many, however, since its package is in a different format.

To summarize, use voxin in Ubuntu, and TTSynth in Fedora. Just know that you gain nothing special with the premium price of TTSynth aside from an RPM file.

Best regards,
Steve

prakash wrote:
hello friends
i am prakash from india
i am new for this list
and new for linux also
i have a dout about good synthisiser for orca
i read about i b m tts
via voice ,tt-synth and voxin
there are great diffrence among the cost of
there softwares so please clear my dout which best for personal use because i am a student
which is the good in performance and in affordable in prize ...
 
thank you  

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--------------060706090505080102050604-- From rexxe@tutopia.com Thu Aug 7 20:13:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 25F60750081 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:13:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 4382 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.77] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hwUhi+8k4RMR for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:13:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail07mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1333475000B for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:13:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 18320 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 20:12:58 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO seventhson) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail07mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Aug 2008 20:12:58 -0000 Message-ID: From: "mk360" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 16:12:57 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:13:14 -0000 Hi, I have problems runing Orca. when y tipe orca it don't start and if I try that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has been set." Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this happened when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I onli use my system to learn and testing purposes). Best regards, and escuse My bad english. mk. From mj@mjw.se Thu Aug 7 20:39:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC92E750081 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:39:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3435 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uyse0Mpu7pNL for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:39:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe10.swip.net [212.247.155.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50E9D750082 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 20:39:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=R5TKrEBUkIHDlG1Ce12vtA==:17 a=1fdWoE4DMWhTUD7CizgA:9 a=FlctQYY0RdX53oV1tREA:7 a=7nq9UjFb20gkbKsbkw6hKvOFXUcA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=Kl1sN1i-fjAA:10 a=EmzqBhBwvFUqHcgaCvkA:9 a=rsWfNB-r_jb4mf_pug0A:7 a=rOASWEWmn01z3Gervw96Yok6r9kA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Received: from [85.226.22.7] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 864080766 for Orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:39:27 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:39:25 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F8DE.71CFC890" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> Subject: Re: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 20:39:36 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F8DE.71CFC890 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit voxin only 5$ -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org]För prakash Skickat: den 7 augusti 2008 21:05 Till: Orca-list@gnome.org Ämne: [orca-list] help for voxin hello friends i am prakash from india i am new for this list and new for linux also i have a dout about good synthisiser for orca i read about i b m tts via voice ,tt-synth and voxin there are great diffrence among the cost of there softwares so please clear my dout which best for personal use because i am a student which is the good in performance and in affordable in prize ... thank you ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F8DE.71CFC890 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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hello friends
i am prakash from india
i am new for this list
and new for linux also
i have a dout about good synthisiser = for orca=20
i read about i b m tts
via voice ,tt-synth and voxin =
there are great diffrence among the = cost of=20
there softwares so please clear my = dout which=20 best for personal use because i am a student
which is the good in performance and = in=20 affordable in prize ...
 
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------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C8F8DE.71CFC890-- From robhill@es.co.nz Thu Aug 7 21:00:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6267075007E for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:00:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:47:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.109.136.12] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CRAamRm48WB7 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:00:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailfilter12.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter12.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8ED8750066 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:00:48 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAGv/mkh2XKBa/2dsb2JhbACtNIFj X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.31,322,1215345600"; d="scan'208";a="106275783" Received: from 118-92-160-90.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO octavian) ([118.92.160.90]) by smtp.mailfilter4.ihug.co.nz with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 08 Aug 2008 09:00:31 +1200 Received: from rob by octavian with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KRCb0-0003GE-F5; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 09:00:30 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18587.25198.364016.518787@es.co.nz> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 09:00:30 +1200 To: "prakash" X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.1 From: Rob Hill Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:00:56 -0000 Hello Prakash, I use Voxin, and find it excellent in clarity and responsiveness. It also supports voice locking, i.e. the use of different voices to speak differing fonts, hyperlinks etc., which is very helpful in understanding whatever you are reading. As I understand it, and I'm sure I'll be corrected if I'm wrong, voxin and ttsynth are basically the same, but voxin comes from a not-for-profit organisation at around $5 U.S., whereas ttsynth is from a commercial organisation, and costs more. They are basically the same, because they are two different means of licensing IBM's Viavoice to the public. Enjoy linux. Rob Prakash writes: hello friends i am prakash from india i am new for this list and new for linux also i have a dout about good synthisiser for orca i read about i b m tts via voice ,tt-synth and voxin there are great diffrence among the cost of there softwares so please clear my dout which best for personal use because i am a student which is the good in performance and in affordable in prize ... thank you From kb8aey@verizon.net Thu Aug 7 21:09:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88B347500B5 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:09:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.601 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.601 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.844, BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, TW_DD=0.077, TW_DP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 1683 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id abN1SyxRbiJW for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:09:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5653E750081 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:09:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5900M451EWBW67@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:09:01 -0500 (CDT) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 16:09:00 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <0K5900M491EXBW67@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] Here is a rough draft of the guide X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 21:09:20 -0000 Hi, here is a rough draft of the guide. I will be gone for a few days, but will work on adding things to this and improving it when I get back. For now, maybe this information will be of use to someone. Mike. Written by Michael Coulombe. A basic guide to Orca and Ubuntu. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080807-0, 08/07/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean This is my first attempt at putting a guide together for new users. Note, I hope this information will be helpful, but I do not guarantee any of the things listed here to work. Use this information at your own risk. In other words, I will not be held responsible if anything happens. This guide is free. Feel free to give it to anyone you want to give it to. You may also feel free to add to, word better or improve this guide. Ok, with that out of the way, here we go. I started using Ubuntu a few years ago and have been given a lot of help by others on and off the Ubuntu list and the Orca list. So I thought I would share a little of what I know about Linux for those who are thinking about giving it a try. This guide will include some of the things I have found to be useful when using Linux. Since I use Ubuntu, I will be talking about that operating system, but there are several good Linux distributions out. Ubuntu for example is a completely free operating system. This means you can share it with anyone and install it on as many computers as you like. I am assuming you know your computer, and know how to do things like getting it to boot from the CD, so I will not go in to computer language in this guide. But I will tell you the easiest way I have found to do things. A few notes. Linux has a lot to offer, and it is a wonderful operating system for the blind. It is getting more accessible all the time, but there are some things you should know right off before starting to learn it. Ubuntu is a Linux operating system. You are not using windows and should know you will have to learn a few things. In order to take full advantage of the Linux operating system, you will have to learn to use the consul, which is known as the terminal in gnome the graphical desktop. If you do not want to learn the terminal at all or do not have patience, you should probably stick with another operating system. If you know dos, learning the terminal should be fairly easy for you. If you do not know dos, you will have a little to learn. The terminal is used by typing in commands. There are a lot of very good programs that run in the terminal, and at times the terminal can make your Linux experience easier and more accessible. For example, updates can be obtained with speech feedback easier from the terminal. Wile we are on the subject of speech. Remember you are not using a windows screen reader. While you may find some of Orca's commands similar, it will be different from a windows or mac screen reader. You should also know that Orca and Ubuntu are always being improved. If you don't like something now, it may be to your liking in the next release. With that said, lets get to the operating system. First of all, I suggest downloading the latest live CD or DVD image of the latest final release of Ubuntu. The nice thing about Ubuntu is that you can try the operating system with out making any changes to your computer. In fact you can actually use the live CD to get files off of your computer if the operating system crashes. Running the live CD. Once you write the live CD image to a disc do the following. First boot your computer from the CD. The drive should stop in a short time, and you will be in the language menu. English is first, so I will use it for these instructions. If you do want English, press enter once. Next press the f5 key and let it go. Then press the number 3 key and let it go. Now press enter twice. The system will boot in a few minutes, but Orca usually doesn't start. Once the computer is booted, do the following. First, hold down the alt key and press the f2 key, and then let both keys go. In a few seconds type Orca and press enter. When it comes up speaking, you can inter the preferences menu and make your choices. I suggest quitting Orca after you make the changes and restarting it using the steps listed above. Now you can play around with Ubuntu and see if you like it. Installing Ubuntu. As of this writing the installer doesn't work with Orca from the desktop. However, there is a release of Ubuntu you can download that you can install with Orca. The following are the instructions for installing the original Hardy release. Installing Ubuntu hardy with Orca. Note, this only works with the original release. Put the CD in the computer and turn it on. Once at the boot screen you will be at the language menu. English is the first choice. If you need another language, get sighted help to pick the language you want. Assuming English is the language you want do the following, or do these steps after picking the language of your choice. First press enter. Then, press the down arrow key once. This picks the option of booting right into the installer. Next press the f5 key and let it go. Now press the number 3 key and let it go. Last press enter twice. The system will boot, and you can follow the instructions to install your new operating system when Orca begins speaking Installing Ubuntu inside windows. Starting with the hardy release a nice feature has been added to Ubuntu. You can install it inside windows, and you do not have to make any changes to your computer. You can uninstall Ubuntu just as easy. This is a very nice way to install Ubuntu so you can try it, but there are two disadvantages, as of this writing. The standby and some of the other features in the shutdown menu will not work if Ubuntu is installed this way. Also the system is more vulnerable to corruption if you have a power loss. You can install Ubuntu inside windows one of two ways. If you have the live CD, simply pick install inside windows from the CD menu when you put the CD in your drive after windows is loaded. Yes, it is accessible and you only have two or three choices to make. After the files are copied reboot the computer, and in a few seconds you will come to a choice of booting into windows or Ubuntu. Windows is first, so press the down arrow key once and then press enter. It will take about 15 minutes or so for the system to finish installing. If you picked the screen reader to be installed, it will say welcome to Orca shortly. After the system finishes installing your computer will reboot. Use the down arrow key to pick Ubuntu and press enter. That's all there is to it. There is a second way to install Ubuntu inside windows, and using this way you do not have to write a CD. First download the program called wubi. Run it in windows and follow the instructions. Wubi will download the image and then install like it would have from the live CD. Note, this will take several hours because the image has to be downloaded. Keys. Ubuntu uses the gnome graphical desktop which in some ways is similar, remember I said similar to windows. You will find some of the gnome keyboard shortcuts similar to what you know in windows. For example, to get to the menus. Hold down the alt key and press f1. Now use the arrow keys to explore the different menus. In most programs to get to the menu. Hold down the alt key and press f for file, t for tools and so on. The only program I know of that doesn't require you to hold the alt key down with the menu choice is open office. To run a program directly. Hold down the alt key and press f2. I suggest you download a command list for both gnome and Orca. There are three main menus in gnome. Applications, places and system. Each of these menus have several sub menus. After you press the alt and f1 keys you will be at the applications menu. Use the down arrow key to explore the different menus, and use the right arrow key to go into any menu. If you move to the left using the left arrow key you will be in the system menu. Use the down arrow key to explore it. If you move left again, you will be in the places menu. The terminal. You new this was coming at some point, and we may as well get it out of the way now. While Gnome the graphical desktop is getting better all the time and you will be able to use it for most tasks. There will be times when you will not be able to use it or will want a faster way to do something. The terminal is something you are going to have to know a little about to use Ubuntu. It can be your friend if you give it a chance. You run the terminal from the accessories menu, or you can run it directly by doing the following. Press the alt and f2 keys together and then let them go. You will hear Orca ask for the command you want to run. Type the following, gnome-terminal, then press enter. No matter which way you choose to use, go ahead and open the terminal. Now that it is opened you have to tell the system who you are so it will let you make changes and run programs. To do this, type the following command, sudo su and press enter. You will be asked for a password. Type your password and press enter. You should here root at what ever your computer name is. You are now logged into the terminal. You should always login when you enter the terminal because if you don't you will be limited on what you can do. Some programs like the battery program acpitool will run if you are not logged in, but most programs will not run this way. Getting updates. Lets start with something simple. You need to keep your system up to date. There are two terminal programs you can use, apt-get or aptitude. I will be using aptitude. Type aptitude update and press enter. You can disable speech, or continue pressing the control key to keep from hearing all of the stuff Orca will say. If you are using a desktop computer. To temporarily stop speech, press insert s to stop speech, and insert s again to enable speech. Once the update process is complete type this command, aptitude-distupgrade and press enter. You should listen to what is said since Orca will either say no packages will be upgraded or it will give you a list of packages to be upgraded. If you agree all you do is press y and then press enter. You can disable speech for awhile until it is finished. Well, you just completed your first task in the terminal. It will be second nature to you after a few times. You can also get updates using the update manager, but sometimes Orca doesn't work correctly with this. However, if you find broken packages, you will want to use the update manager because it has a feature to correct this problem. I think you get the point. The more you know the more you can do to get things to work when necessary. Removing programs. Remember when I said the terminal can be your friend. You can remove packages using the package manager, but here is a fast way to remove one not listed in the add remove programs menu. Simply type, aptitude remove followed by the package name and press enter. You add packages the same way. For example aptitude install acpitool or aptitude remove acpitool. Cleaning your system. There are two easy ways to get rid of all of the old packages still on your system. 1, In the terminal type the following command, aptitude clean and press enter. That's all there is to it. 2, In the terminal type the following, apt-get autoremove and press enter. Making admin apps accessible. Orca is going to be the screen reader you will use in Ubuntu. You may as well know some of the admin apps are not accessible as of this writing. But in many cases there are ways to make them accessible. Lets deal with this now. Get in the terminal and type the following. sudo su then press enter. You will be asked for your password, so type it and press enter. You should hear root at what ever the name of your computer is. Now we are going to enable the root account. To do this you will use a editor called nano. Follow these instructions. Type nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and press enter. The file should now be opened. Next hold down control and press w, you should now be in a search field so type allow root, and press enter. Now using down arrow find the line that says allow root = false. Backspace out the word false and replace it with the word true. Now hold down control and press x. You will be asked to enter y if you want to save the changes. Do this and press enter. That's the hardest part. Now we have to add a password to the root account. Here's how to do it. Type passwd root then press enter. You will be asked for the password twice. Enter one and press enter. Enter it again to confirm and press enter. You should here that the password was updated. Alt f4 will close the terminal. You can also close the terminal by typing exit and pressing enter. This has to be done twice if you are logged into the terminal. Now you can log in using the root account by using root as the username. You will find more of the admin apps are accessible this way. Note, while the installer doesn't work with Orca directly from the desktop on the live CD. Here is a dirty trick that sometimes gets it to work. For this to have a chance, you must boot the live CD using the f5 and number 3 settings described above. If you enable the root account on the live CD using the steps described above. In some versions of Ubuntu you will be able to login as root and run ubiquity or just run install from the desktop. If this works in the version you have you will be able to get speech during the install process. If you do not use the f5 and number 3 options when you boot the live CD. You will be able to enable the root account, but for some reason you will not be able to login to it. Batteries. If you are using a laptop and want to know the battery status. Install the program acpitool. Running this program from the terminal will tell you the charge that is left in your battery. Web browsing. Fire fox is the web browser in Ubuntu. It is getting better all the time, and as of this writing it is very accessible. To search for a site use control l instead of control o. This through me at first when I tried to use fire fox, because I thought you had to use control o. There is now a links list plug in available for fire fox that will let you pick just the links using the arrow keys. Hey, how about my m-p-3 files and videos. To play these files in Ubuntu you will have to install some software. I suggest doing this from the root account because you will hear the progress as the files are being downloaded, but this will also work from your account. The difference is you will not hear the progress as the files are downloading. From the applications menu, press enter on add remove programs. You want to pick show all available software. In the edit field, type plug in and press enter. Now use the tab key to get to the list. Using down arrow, look at the programs and check everything except the Ubuntu restricted package. I always had problems with this one because you have to agree to a Java license that Orca does not read. After checking everything else apply the updates. Now you should be able to play your files. If you are going to encode files, you should also install flac and lame from the terminal. There are a variety of different players you can use. Pick the one that is best for you. copying discs, burning CDs and so on. These features work well with Orca in Ubuntu. Insert a disc, and using the programs key, pick copy disc from the menu. The program for writing discs in the sound and video menu is the one used and it works well with Orca. You will find it in the sound and video menu. How do I create a folder? shift control n. What if the system crashes? You will like the fact that this usually doesn't happen. However, all operating systems have this problem at one time or another. The good thing is in Ubuntu you do not have to reboot most of the time. If a program hangs here is what will usually get you going again. Press the control alt and backspace keys together for a second then let them go. This will kill the gnome session and put you at the login screen. Log in and everything should be fine. You will loose any work you were doing, for example changes you didn't save to a file. But this would happen in any operating system. If you are writing. I suggest setting the text editor to save your file every minute. This way the most you will loose is a minute of work. About applications. You are probably wondering what apps work with Orca. Some do, and some do not. Here are the ones I know do. The text editor and to some extent open office work. The dictionary works very well. You can install a terminal program called dict for a dictionary you can use in the terminal. Note the dictionaries require that you are on the Internet. Most of the admin tools now work if you are in the root account, and some of them will work from your account. The sound and video apps that come with Ubuntu all work. The programs that come with Ubuntu in the graphics menu work with Orca. Fire fox works well, and so does transmission the torrent client that comes with Ubuntu. Others may work, but I haven't had a reason to try them yet. That should give you a few to work with, and there are several other apps you can get using add remove programs that also work well with Orca. I know for example that the world clock program is very accessible, as well as some of the text editors. If you want to play m-p-3 files from the terminal. Install the program mp3blaster for this purpose. I think vlc media player may also work in the terminal. Adjusting the volume. You can do this in gnome, but here is a fast way to do it in the terminal if you are using alsa. In the terminal, run the program alsamixer. Now press up or down arrow to turn the volume up or down. Pressing the right arrow puts you in another volume menu. You will usually be interested in the master volume which is the first menu that comes up when you run the alsa mixer program. But it also has menus for the line in, microphone and so on. When you are done press the escape key twice to exit the program. Recording what is said in the terminal. There will be times when you will want to have a reference of what is said in the terminal. For example, consider the following. You want to install a program, but do not know it's name. So lets say you type water in the terminal. Orca will tell you that water is not installed. But then it will tell you the name of the program you have to install to get the program water installed. Now lets say you don't understand what Orca said. Or maybe it said a word you do not know how to spell. The following little program will give you a text file you can look at later to get the exact spelling. The program is called script. Simply type script and press enter when you are in the terminal. From this point everything you do in the terminal including the computers feedback will be recorded in a file called typescript. When you are finished hold the control key down and press the letter d, then let the keys go. This will close the file. You can find the file typescript in your home folder. Adding users in the terminal. Users can be added in the gnome desktop using Orca. But there are some nice features you can use in the terminal to do other things with user accounts. Lets say Joe needs to use your computer, but you only want to give him access for a certain amount of time. You can set up a timed account as follows. In the terminal type the following replacing Joe with whoever. useradd Joe -e 2007-04-19 Replace the year, month and day with the ones you need. You can also add users by typing useradd Joe, as a example. Now you have to give the new user a password. you do this by using the passwd program. For example, passwd Joe, then press enter. You will be asked for the new password. There is another terminal program called adduser. This one is a little different, but it works just as well. I don't think you can set up timed accounts using the adduser program. How do I get the version of Orca that is running on my computer? In the terminal type this command. Orca -v. How can I find out how much memory my computer has? In the terminal, type free and press enter. Is there a way to see which kernel is running? Yes, in the terminal type this command, uname -r and press enter. Need a simple calendar, try this one. /usr/bin/calendar. To connect computers through serial ports, try minicom. Using the top panel. To get to the top panel, press the control, alt and tab keys together, then let them go. The top panel has things like the volume control and other buttons. As of this writing it is not very accessible. Orca quite often says imbedded component instead of the name. When you hear this, try holding down the control key and pressing the f1 key, then let the keys go. If the program has a toolkit, this should display it. Adding users to groups. The addgroup is another terminal program. Lets say Joe's account has no sound, but everyone else does. The problem may be that he needs to be added to the audio group. To do this, type the following command in the terminal, addgroup Joe audio, and press enter. The computer was interrupted when installing packages and now I can't get updates. Go to your friend the terminal and type this command, dpkg --configure -a, and From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Thu Aug 7 21:34:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71D94750066 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:34:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 200 hrs), (distance 31, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tsDIn0OZWs7i for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:34:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 909A9750084 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 21:34:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [83.52.199.33] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:34:25 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:34:18 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c8f8d5$5ccdc1d0$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: [orca-list] How to enable GDM in Ubuntu? 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Janusz Chmiel" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] some discussions for making Orca to work with Opensuse11.0 installation program X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:04:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F8D9.83B772FD Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello,=20 =20 You will find a walk through for installing OpenSuSE 11 with Orca = support on my website at www.digitaldarragh.com/linuxat.asp This will = answer almost all of your questions in your previous message.=20 =20 One final note. OpenSuSE will not allow you to log in to the graphical = desktop as root. =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com =20 From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz Chmiel Sent: 07 August 2008 18:15 To: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] some discussions for making Orca to work with = Opensuse11.0 installation program =20 Dear developers of Orca, =20 I would like to please You with highest respect to Your time and = work, if You could try to find The way to perform accessible = installation of Opensuse 11.0 with Orca. I have Opensuse version 11.0 = desktop CD with Gnome on my mind. I Am not professional like a = developers of Orca or so clever like A core developers of Linux = distributions. But eventhough I Am not so experienced developer with = many knowledge, I tried to do somethink to enable visually impaired to = install Opensuse 11.0 from A live CD to A hard drive. My approach is not = from my own head, somebody published this approach previously how to = install Orca-UbuntuFeisty - GNOME Live! . So I only had to extract = necessary information from A desktop icon, which is starting Opensuse = installation. But eventhough I have done this, it was not possible to = install Opensuse by launching The installation program from Gnome = terminal Window. Orca could not get necessary events, so I was not able = to choose language, I had no needed feetback from Orca to use = installation program successfully.=20 I could only read some lines by using arrow keys, but no focus events = was supported by pressing TAB.=20 Installation program for UbuntuFeisty has probably specially = programmed for using it from Gnome Terminal Window, or Orca code was = specially adapted for using ubyquity program. =20 I started to think about next approach. But it is probably inpossible = because of internal limitations when running Opensuse Live CD and Gnome. = I thought, if user could normally boot to a Gnome desktop and after = finishing loading of all modules, user could press CTRL+ALT+Backspace = twice and next, user could logon as A root. But: will Opensuse allow to = logon as A root user and will be possible to start Gnome? After user = would logon as a root, user could start Orca and press Enter, user could = answer Orca configuration questions, user had to logout and logon again = with root user name and Then, user could start Orca again and could = start installation program for Opensuse by using standard desktop icon. = Because Orca would be started as A root user and installation program = could also run as a root user. =20 If this approach is also inpossible, please is there any chance to = execute installation of Opensuse like a root user and Orca also like A = root user when booting from A live CD? If Orca included with version of = Gnome would have difficulty with accessing dialogs of installation = programs, (I think that this would not to happen), because if I = understood everythink right, The Orca is not able to provide its = services for applications, which are executed like a root user and if = Orca is executed from a non root level, for Example, like Ubuntu user in = The Ubuntu Linux distribution, or like A Linux user name in The = opensuse. =20 Please do not write Me similar answers like: =20 Why You are using Opensuse, when Ubuntu Linux is specially adapted for = visually impaired users. I want to install Opensuse distribution, = because The reliability of interaction between Orca and Festival = synthesizer is much more better than interaction between Espeak and Orca = in The Ubuntu distribution. In The Opensuse, when I press CTRL key, The = Festival stop speaking immediately, sometimes I think, that I Am using = Jaws Screen Reader for Windows with The most expensive commercial text = to speech engine. Orca is working so reliably and stably with Festival = synthesizer. =20 If there is really no chance to perform accessible Opensuse installation = while booting from A desktop CD with Gnome, because core developers of = Opensuse distribution would have to make complex changes to The whole = package, I will respect it with big sad inside my soul. I Am writing = this little discussion E-mail to please core developers of Orca or = others advanced Linux user for their time, so they could write some = E-mail to this conference about this topic. I really done maximum for = finding reliable procedure for installing Opensuse with Orca, = unfortunately, I Am totally blind and experimenting with logon and = logout is not simple task for me, because there is no Screen Reader = which is not depend on The accessibility architecture. I do not know, if = even yasr could help me. I think, that no. =20 Here is The command line for launching Opensuse installation program. =20 yast2 live-installer=20 =20 Thank You very much for Your analysis of my E-mail. I believe, that = somebody will try to find The solution. =20 The kindness regards. =20 Janusz Chmiel =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F8D9.83B772FD Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Hello,

 

You will find a walk through for installing OpenSuSE 11 = with Orca support on my website at www.digitaldarragh.com= /linuxat.asp=A0 This will answer almost all of your questions in your previous message. =

 

One final note.=A0 OpenSuSE will not allow you to log in = to the graphical desktop as root.=A0

 

 

 

 

 

Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh

Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation = and server support, Assistive technology support and = consultancy.

Website:=A0 = http://www.digitaldarragh.com

 

From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org = [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
Sent: 07 August 2008 18:15
To: Orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: [orca-list] some discussions for making Orca to work = with Opensuse11.0 installation program

 

Dear developers of Orca,

 

  &= nbsp; I would like to please You with highest respect to Your time and work, = if You could try to find The way to perform accessible installation of Opensuse = 11.0 with Orca. I have Opensuse version 11.0 desktop CD with Gnome on my = mind. I Am not professional like a developers of Orca or so clever like A core = developers of Linux distributions. But eventhough I Am not so experienced developer = with many knowledge, I tried to do somethink to enable visually impaired to = install Opensuse 11.0 from A live CD to A hard drive. My approach is not from my = own head, somebody published this approach previously how to = install   Orca-UbuntuFeisty - GNOME Live! . So I only had to extract necessary information from A = desktop icon, which is starting Opensuse installation. But eventhough I have = done this, it was not possible to install Opensuse by launching The installation = program from Gnome terminal Window. Orca could not get necessary events, so I = was not able to choose language, I had no needed feetback from Orca to = use installation program successfully.

I could only read some lines by using arrow keys, but no focus events was = supported by pressing TAB.

  &= nbsp; Installation program for UbuntuFeisty   has probably specially programmed for using it from Gnome Terminal Window, or Orca = code was specially adapted for using ubyquity program.

 

I started to think about next approach. But it is probably inpossible = because of internal limitations when running Opensuse Live CD and Gnome. I thought, = if user could normally boot to a Gnome desktop and after finishing loading = of all modules, user could press CTRL+ALT+Backspace twice and next, user could = logon as A root. But: will Opensuse allow to logon as A root user and will be possible to start Gnome? After user would logon as a root, user could = start Orca and press Enter, user could answer Orca configuration questions, = user had to logout and logon again with root user name and Then, user could start = Orca again and could start installation program for Opensuse by using = standard desktop icon. Because Orca would be started as A root user and = installation program could also run as a root user.

 

If this approach is also inpossible, please is there any chance to execute installation of Opensuse like a root user and Orca also like A root user = when booting from A live CD? If Orca included with version of Gnome would = have difficulty with accessing dialogs of installation programs, (I think = that this would not to happen), because if I understood everythink right, The Orca = is not able to provide its services for applications, which are executed like a = root user and if Orca is executed from a non root level, for Example, like = Ubuntu user in The Ubuntu Linux distribution, or like A Linux user name in The opensuse.

 

  &= nbsp; Please do not write Me similar answers like:

 

Why You are using Opensuse, when Ubuntu Linux is specially adapted for = visually impaired users. I want to install Opensuse distribution, because The reliability of interaction between Orca and Festival synthesizer is much = more better than interaction between Espeak and Orca in The Ubuntu = distribution. In The Opensuse, when I press CTRL key, The Festival stop speaking = immediately, sometimes I think, that I Am using Jaws Screen Reader for Windows with = The most expensive commercial text to speech engine. Orca is working so reliably = and stably with Festival synthesizer.

 

If there is really no chance to perform accessible Opensuse installation = while booting from A desktop CD with Gnome, because core developers of = Opensuse distribution would have to make complex changes to The whole package, I = will respect it with big sad inside my soul. I Am writing this little = discussion E-mail to please core developers of Orca or others advanced Linux user = for their time, so they could write some E-mail to this conference about = this topic. I really done maximum for finding reliable procedure for = installing Opensuse with Orca, unfortunately, I Am totally blind and experimenting = with logon and logout is not simple task for me, because there is no = Screen Reader which is not depend on The accessibility architecture. I do not = know, if even yasr could help me. I think, that no.

 

Here is The command line for launching Opensuse installation = program.

 

yast2 live-installer

 

Thank You very much for Your analysis of my E-mail. I believe, that somebody = will try to find The solution.

 

The kindness regards.

 

Janusz Chmiel

 

------_=_NextPart_001_01C8F8D9.83B772FD-- From rexxe@tutopia.com Thu Aug 7 22:43:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 869E2750690 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:43:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 4388 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.77] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wdNIFbID6G1P for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail07mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.77]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC2E3750714 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 22:38:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 6642 invoked from network); 7 Aug 2008 22:38:19 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO seventhson) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail07mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 7 Aug 2008 22:38:13 -0000 Message-ID: <45DE716A2D8B4F84A6F41D3B48E903E7@seventhson> From: "mk360" To: "mk360" , References: Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2008 18:38:11 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:43:39 -0000 Mmmmmm, screen reading problems... Hi, I have problems runing Orca. when I tipe orca it don't start and if I try that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca because it cannot connect to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has been set." Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this happened when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I only use my system to learn and testing purposes). Best regards, and excuse My bad english. mk. That is... ----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" To: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:12 PM Subject: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca > Hi, > > I have problems runing Orca. when y tipe orca it don't start and if I try > that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca because it > cannot connect > to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has > been set." > > Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this happened > when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I onli use my > system to learn and testing purposes). > > Best regards, and escuse My bad english. > mk. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 7 23:56:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AAD797500AA for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:56:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1FrLdMYAMql for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:56:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A78AC75006F for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:56:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m77NunPJ012670 for ; Thu, 7 Aug 2008 23:56:49 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5900G01937VL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for Orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K59005S296NP340@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 07 Aug 2008 17:56:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 19:56:49 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <45DE716A2D8B4F84A6F41D3B48E903E7@seventhson> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mk360 Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <45DE716A2D8B4F84A6F41D3B48E903E7@seventhson> Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2008 23:56:58 -0000 This means that Orca cannot connect to the graphical desktop running (the X Windows System Server). If you are running the 'orca' command from a character console, you probably need to set your DISPLAY environment variable to point to the X server. You can verify this is the problem by running some other X command, such as 'xdpyinfo'. If it says something like 'unable to open display', it means your environment isn't set up to connect to the X server. The first thing to try is typing the following command exactly as written. Spacing, punctuation, and capitalization are important: export DISPLAY=:0 Then, try the 'xdpyinfo' command again. If it still complains, your X server probably isn't running. If it doesn't complain, then orca should work. Will On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:38 PM, mk360 wrote: > Mmmmmm, screen reading problems... > > Hi, > > I have problems runing Orca. when I tipe orca it don't start and if I > try that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca > because it cannot connect > to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has > been set." > > Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this > happened > when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I only use > my > system to learn and testing purposes). > > Best regards, and excuse My bad english. > mk. > That is... > ----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" > To: > Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:12 PM > Subject: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca > > >> Hi, >> >> I have problems runing Orca. when y tipe orca it don't start and if I >> try that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca >> because it cannot connect >> to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable >> has been set." >> >> Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this >> happened when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I >> onli use my system to learn and testing purposes). >> >> Best regards, and escuse My bad english. >> mk. >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mwhapples@aim.com Fri Aug 8 07:35:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B47750066 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:35:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.144.207] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4nTIrzkOwYVU for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d21.mx.aol.com (imo-d21.mx.aol.com [205.188.144.207]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA7BC75006C for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id p.c5d.327239b2 (37105); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 03:35:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB083-90f1489bf72737f; Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:35:08 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: prakash In-Reply-To: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> References: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 08:42:25 +0100 Message-Id: <1218181346.3136.32.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:35:20 -0000 Hello Prakash, As people have stated both ttsynth and voxin both provide the same voices, because they both use/provide the same synthesiser, IBM viavoice. So what are the differences? Voxin is sold as a complete product. By this I mean when you buy it you aren't buying viavoice directly, you are buying voxin which is a bundle of software to provide new voices and associated drivers for a Linux system, and it happens to be viavoice it uses. The basically means that it is targeted at specific computer systems (debian and ubuntu) and provides packages for those systems. If you use one of the targeted systems, this can make things easy, you just run the voxin installer script and answer the questions and then things should just work, but if you don't use one of the targeted systems then things may be more difficult, although not necessarily impossible. Also whilst viavoice is part of the voxin bundle, it can be used by other applications. As a comparison, I think ttsynth is selling you an actual viavoice single user license. As I understand it ttsynth provides each package separately (viavoice being the only part you actually pay for), so may be easier to install on other systems (eg. although the packages are redhat RPM packages, other distros have tools to convert/use these, such as slackware which has rpm2tgz, whereas voxin is harder to deal with as it is a bundle with an installer script). As for the comment made by someone about voxin getting updated more frequently, again I think this is due to a difference in design, I don't think it is updates to the viavoice synthesiser. Voxin would need updates as new versions of software are used in ubuntu to ensure that the drivers they provide are compatible, eg. every time ubuntu upgrades gnome-speech then voxin will need to upgrade voxin to include the new gnome-speech driver for viavoice. On the other hand, as ttsynth isn't selling you anything but viavoice, ttsynth doesn't need to be upgraded when you upgrade gnome-sppeech, you just need to find the new gnome-speech viavoice driver. I know some of these differences are quite small, so it may come down to more which linux distribution you will use. If you are going to use ubuntu or debian, then you probbly want voxin, if you are going to use redhat/fedora then you will want to use ttsynth, and if you are going to use another distribution then the choice is more difficult but ttsynth might be easier. Michael Whapples On Fri, 2008-08-08 at 00:35 +0530, prakash wrote: > hello friends > i am prakash from india > i am new for this list > and new for linux also > i have a dout about good synthisiser for orca > i read about i b m tts > via voice ,tt-synth and voxin > there are great diffrence among the cost of > there softwares so please clear my dout which best for personal use > because i am a student > which is the good in performance and in affordable in prize ... > > thank you From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Fri Aug 8 07:55:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A18075015F for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 07:55:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm966735yxs.5.2008.08.08.00.55.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 08 Aug 2008 00:55:03 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-8alcNSr9yda01pKxekUM" Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 03:54:58 -0400 Message-Id: <1218182098.24555.2.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Gnome-games and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 07:55:37 -0000 --=-8alcNSr9yda01pKxekUM Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I was wondering. Will the standard Gnome games like solitar be made accessible? It would be fun to be able to play some of them. Thanks Storm --=-8alcNSr9yda01pKxekUM Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I was wondering.  Will the standard Gnome games like solitar be made accessible? It would be fun to be able to play some of them.
Thanks
Storm --=-8alcNSr9yda01pKxekUM-- From janina@rednote.net Fri Aug 8 20:26:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5A523750126 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2859 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3bkmRKSe+1DR for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BE517500C1 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (sonata.rednote.net [IPv6:2001:470:b804:1:216:d3ff:fecc:ec01]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78KQGGN018685 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:26 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m78KQGSF031623; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:26:16 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m78KQFTG031620; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:26:15 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:26:15 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Stephen Clower Message-ID: <20080808202615.GC12893@sonata.rednote.net> References: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> <489B4A29.4070002@steve-audio.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <489B4A29.4070002@steve-audio.net> X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net 2.6.25.11-97.spk.fc9.x86_64 Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/7983/Fri Aug 8 18:20:42 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:26:36 -0000 Stephen Clower writes: > ... TTSynth is designed specifically for > RPM-based distributions like Fedora. Absolutely not true. We provide both .rpm and .deb versions of TTSynth, as well as guidance for the use of TTSynth on multiple distributions of Linux, including Debian and Ubuntu as well as Fedora. Janina From rexxe@tutopia.com Fri Aug 8 20:26:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D618F7500E2 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 4443 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.75] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OHVjhC-7y6DS for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail05mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB5A7501A5 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:26:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 7356 invoked from network); 8 Aug 2008 20:26:41 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO seventhson) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail05mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 8 Aug 2008 20:26:34 -0000 Message-ID: <48E9BBBB52684AE698DA8189198859E4@seventhson> From: "mk360" To: "Willie Walker" References: <45DE716A2D8B4F84A6F41D3B48E903E7@seventhson> Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 16:26:32 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:26:59 -0000 Ok, that (and many other things) solved the problem but I can't recomend the upgrade from hardy to intrepid, because has many dependencies problems with gnome-orca, python-atspi and others... I had to uninstall ATK, Gail, at-spi, then continue my upgrade proces, recompile that and for the first time compile gnome speech (mmm I don't know if you're going to understand this :P). Best regards, mk. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "mk360" Cc: Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 7:56 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca > This means that Orca cannot connect to the graphical desktop running (the > X Windows System Server). If you are running the 'orca' command from a > character console, you probably need to set your DISPLAY environment > variable to point to the X server. You can verify this is the problem by > running some other X command, such as 'xdpyinfo'. If it says something > like 'unable to open display', it means your environment isn't set up to > connect to the X server. > > The first thing to try is typing the following command exactly as written. > Spacing, punctuation, and capitalization are important: > > export DISPLAY=:0 > > Then, try the 'xdpyinfo' command again. If it still complains, your X > server probably isn't running. If it doesn't complain, then orca should > work. > > Will > > On Aug 7, 2008, at 6:38 PM, mk360 wrote: > >> Mmmmmm, screen reading problems... >> >> Hi, >> >> I have problems runing Orca. when I tipe orca it don't start and if I try >> that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca because it >> cannot connect >> to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has >> been set." >> >> Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this happened >> when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I only use my >> system to learn and testing purposes). >> >> Best regards, and excuse My bad english. >> mk. >> That is... >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "mk360" >> To: >> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 4:12 PM >> Subject: [orca-list] Problems runing Orca >> >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> I have problems runing Orca. when y tipe orca it don't start and if I >>> try that under a terminal y see this message: Cannot start Orca because >>> it cannot connect >>> to the Desktop. Please make sure the DISPLAY environment variable has >>> been set." >>> >>> Any suggestion? I'm using lattest orca from subversion and this happened >>> when I updated from hardy to intrepid (yes, i'm crazy, but I onli use my >>> system to learn and testing purposes). >>> >>> Best regards, and escuse My bad english. >>> mk. >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From steve@steve-audio.net Fri Aug 8 20:40:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C43B675000B for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:40:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.716 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.716 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RDNS_NONE=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:51:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W4:.:?:?] (up: 8979 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [69.80.243.206] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WSGWpljBzRKg for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:40:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sergei.servers.tbrntech.com (unknown [69.80.243.206]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FB70750126 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 20:40:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.2.65] (68-116-249-75.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com [68.116.249.75]) by sergei.servers.tbrntech.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6E38F3539B37 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 21:40:41 +0100 (BST) Message-ID: <489CAF45.8020809@steve-audio.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 15:40:37 -0500 From: Stephen Clower User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list@gnome.org References: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> <489B4A29.4070002@steve-audio.net> <20080808202615.GC12893@sonata.rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20080808202615.GC12893@sonata.rednote.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------060305000100070208060003" Subject: Re: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 20:40:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------060305000100070208060003 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janina Sajka wrote: > Stephen Clower writes: > >> ... TTSynth is designed specifically for >> RPM-based distributions like Fedora. >> > > Absolutely not true. We provide both .rpm and .deb versions of TTSynth, > as well as guidance for the use of TTSynth on multiple distributions of > Linux, including Debian and Ubuntu as well as Fedora. > I stand corrected. The TTSynth website emphasizes the Fedora distribution and yum updater, and that mislead me to believe TTSynth supported rpm distros exclusively. - Steve --------------060305000100070208060003 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Janina Sajka wrote: 
Stephen Clower writes:
  
... TTSynth is designed specifically for  
RPM-based distributions like Fedora.
    

Absolutely not true. We provide both .rpm and .deb versions of TTSynth,
as well as guidance for the use of TTSynth on multiple distributions of
Linux, including Debian and Ubuntu as well as Fedora.


I stand corrected. The TTSynth website emphasizes the Fedora distribution and yum updater, and that mislead me to believe TTSynth supported rpm distros exclusively.

- Steve

--------------060305000100070208060003-- From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Fri Aug 8 22:00:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D91C2750156 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:00:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 225 hrs), (distance 32, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5yrNlpZmkECg for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:00:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBEAF750116 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 22:00:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [83.52.205.171] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 00:00:27 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 00:00:25 +0200 Message-ID: <000601c8f9a2$2ba54a10$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Importance: Normal X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: [orca-list] Vmware Tools disable network interface? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 22:00:43 -0000 Hello list and VMware-users, OK, today I wanted to include the VMware tools in my Ubuntu virtual machine. So I mounted the virtual Vmware tools CD and extracted the tar file to the /tmp directory. Then, I ran the installer script which was successfully completed using all the default values. After installing, I executed the config script, again accepting all default values. Then, there were a lot of messages which I couldn't really follow with Orca. After the whole process was complete, I restarted the virtual machine. Ifconfig still shows the network interface, but it doesn't have an IP assigned. Pinging Google or the host computer doesn't work, also pinging the virtual machine from the host is impossible. Has anyone running Vmware experienced this problem and know how to fix it? Btw, I was logged in as root while performing the whole install and config process. Thanks for any help! Robin From herzog@frontiernet.net Fri Aug 8 23:22:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 397B3750087 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:22:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.798 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.798 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:43:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [66.133.183.238] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ctXY1kFiF6ab for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:22:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx11.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (mx11.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [66.133.183.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DEC4750073 for ; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:22:31 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AlIGAG9ynEjAqAFl/2dsb2JhbACCMC6qWQ Received: from relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net ([66.133.182.166]) by mx11.roch.ny.frontiernet.net with ESMTP; 08 Aug 2008 23:22:30 +0000 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new-2.5.3 at filter06.roch.ny.frontiernet.net X-Trace: 53616c7465645f5f93616d63e6d667157781af9a03381fd7deb103786bf02ca64288de9294fbaf473995f93419bcd8c0b0573f49109d5d36434c56fad2233c3082029883292a5c4581bd1ce335264e5e61b97338842d5d2edd002814ea02132a Received: from [192.168.1.101] (74-34-6-60.dsl1-merch.roch.ny.frontiernet.net [74.34.6.60]) by relay03.roch.ny.frontiernet.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 10C0719F99A; Fri, 8 Aug 2008 23:22:28 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <489CD533.3030409@frontiernet.net> Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 19:22:27 -0400 From: Herzog User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janina Sajka References: <8F6A1FCCEF8945B0AC006C68D60D7E81@pram> <489B4A29.4070002@steve-audio.net> <20080808202615.GC12893@sonata.rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20080808202615.GC12893@sonata.rednote.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="------------070602060308010302040506" Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] help for voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2008 23:22:40 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------070602060308010302040506 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to get Voxin that doesn't go thru Pay-pal. Paypal rejects me and any card I enter; but the card pekople say it isn't them. The French site only takes Pay-pal. I've been stymied for a few months, but still want it. Janina, who is the we, below, and can I get it thru you, or?? I have Ubuntu 8.04and Orca working fine, but like the more Freedom Jaws type voices. Will Herzog ====================== Janina Sajka wrote: > Stephen Clower writes: > >> ... TTSynth is designed specifically for >> RPM-based distributions like Fedora. >> > > Absolutely not true. We provide both .rpm and .deb versions of TTSynth, > as well as guidance for the use of TTSynth on multiple distributions of > Linux, including Debian and Ubuntu as well as Fedora. > > Janina > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------070602060308010302040506 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Is there any way to get Voxin that doesn't go thru Pay-pal.  Paypal rejects me and any card I enter; but the card pekople say it isn't them.
The French site only takes Pay-pal.  I've been stymied for a few months, but still want it.
   Janina, who is the we, below, and can I get it thru you, or??
I have Ubuntu 8.04and Orca working  fine, but like the more Freedom Jaws type voices.
  Will Herzog
======================
 Janina Sajka wrote: 
Stephen Clower writes:
  
... TTSynth is designed specifically for  
RPM-based distributions like Fedora.
    

Absolutely not true. We provide both .rpm and .deb versions of TTSynth,
as well as guidance for the use of TTSynth on multiple distributions of
Linux, including Debian and Ubuntu as well as Fedora.

Janina


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Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:19:31 +0200 X-SourceIP: 84.115.136.207 Received: from mlang by x2.delysid.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KRpIG-00086R-RV for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:19:45 +0200 To: Orca-list From: Mario Lang In-Reply-To: <1218182098.24555.2.camel@stormdragon-laptop> (Storm Dragon's message of "Fri\, 08 Aug 2008 03\:54\:58 -0400") User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) References: <1218182098.24555.2.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 16:19:44 +0200 Message-ID: <878wv68e4f.fsf@x2.delysid.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Gnome-games and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:20:51 -0000 Storm Dragon writes: > Hi, > I was wondering. Will the standard Gnome games like solitar be made > accessible? It would be fun to be able to play some of them. For what its worth, I'd wish for gnome-chess to be made accessible (at least for braille users). A ASCII board like the one below works extremely well for me with a braille display: -------- |rnbqkbnr| |pppppppp| | + + + +| |+ + + + | | + + + +| |+ + + + | |PPPPPPPP| |RNBQKBNR| -------- --=20 CYa, =E2=A1=8D=E2=A0=81=E2=A0=97=E2=A0=8A=E2=A0=95 | Debian Developer .''`. | Get my public key via finger mlang/key@db.debian.org : :' : | 1024D/7FC1A0854909BCCDBE6C102DDFFC022A6B113E44 `. `' `- From weavermicha@googlemail.com Sat Aug 9 14:44:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A589C750050 for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:44:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [86.130.184.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm5258977gve.3.2008.08.09.07.44.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 09 Aug 2008 07:44:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Weaver To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 15:43:03 +0100 Message-Id: <1218292983.6337.7.camel@michael-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] running speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 14:44:14 -0000 I am trying to change from gnome-speech to speech-dispatcher and hopefully resolve my problem of Orca shutting down. However, I cannot seem to be able to use Alsa even though I have got the Alsa mixer using Add Remove menu in Ubuntu. I keep running into this error message about not being able to use this driver because the device is already in use by something else. I even removed Pulseaudio from the sessions menu but still no difference. I presume that if I can't sort out Alsa I can't run Speech-dispatcher. Pulseaudio gets around my problem of multi channel sound mixing but I am told this stops Orca every ten or so minutes when it is working with Gnome-speech. How do I get Alsa to run and how do I make sure I am running Speech-dispatcher once I have got things up and running? From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Sat Aug 9 18:42:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0243C7500EF for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:42:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.111.113] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wbFJzW-piU0M for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:42:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s38.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s38.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.113]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B18975006B for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:42:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLU149-W23 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s38.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:41:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.175.208.219] From: To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:41:59 -0400 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2008 18:41:59.0261 (UTC) FILETIME=[9B2988D0:01C8FA4F] Subject: [orca-list] accessible login X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:42:09 -0000 greetings=2C=20 I've jsut managed to get accessible login workng in ubuntu 8.04=2C but I ha= ve noticed a problem. When I get to the login screen (the default GDMGreeter)=2C I press CTRL+s a= nd hold it for 1 second. Orca starts speaking like it should. However=2C = when I start typing into the password box=2C I hear the keys being pressed = as well as the echo on the screen. For example=2C if I type "bob" into the= password field=2C I hear "b star o star b star." Is this a known issue? = can anyone else reproduce this? The computer on which I'm running ubuntu isn't connected to the internet=2C= so I'm just running the default version of orca that came with ubuntu. _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us= From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Sat Aug 9 18:48:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BF9975020F for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:48:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.299 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.299 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.111.81] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ypIcNshHbxUy for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:48:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.81]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C3B475020B for ; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 18:46:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLU149-W63 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s6.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Sat, 9 Aug 2008 11:46:55 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.175.208.219] From: To: Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2008 14:46:55 -0400 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 09 Aug 2008 18:46:55.0432 (UTC) FILETIME=[4BB1A480:01C8FA50] Subject: [orca-list] partially OT, BRLTTY X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 09 Aug 2008 18:48:32 -0000 greetings=2C I've just installed ubuntu 8.04. I'm trying to get BRLTTY working. I've c= hanged "no" to "yes" in /etc/default/brltty=2C and edited /etc/brltty.conf = with my personal preffrences=2C but BRLTTY doesn't start automatically. wh= en I try running brltty from the command line=2C I get the message: rev UNKNOWN [http://mielke.cc.brltty/] Does anyone have any idea what is wrong? _________________________________________________________________ Reveal your inner athlete and share it with friends on Windows Live. http://revealyourinnerathlete.windowslive.com?locale=3Den-us&ocid=3DTXT_TAG= LM_WLYIA_whichathlete_us= From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Sun Aug 10 05:17:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C34BB75006E for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:44:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [213.4.149.242] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5kQwnRf5szm1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout1.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33105750008 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (88.17.10.158) by ctsmtpout1.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489BF59A0014639D for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:17:43 +0200 From: Jonathan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Chac=F3n?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:17:28 +0200 Message-Id: <1218345448.25679.4.camel@P4mobile> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] script for battery information X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:17:51 -0000 Hello everybody, I wrote a script to get charge battery information. It uses acpi tecnology... I hope this script will be fine here is the script: import os def sayBattery(script, inputEvent=None): acpiBatteryPath = "/proc/acpi/battery" # path for batteries batteries = os.listdir(acpiBatteryPath) # gets all batteries in the PC if len(batteries) > 0 : # there is battery support for b in batteries: # gets info about the battery pathFile = acpiBatteryPath + "/" + b + "/" infoBatteryFile = file(pathFile + "info", "r") # opens info battery if infoBatteryFile.readline().split()[1] == "yes": infoBatteryFile.readline() # jumps a line batteryMaxCap = float (infoBatteryFile.readline().split()[3]) # gets max capacity # gets status battery statusBatteryFile = file(pathFile + "state", "r") # jumps to battery charge statusBatteryFile.readline() statusBatteryFile.readline() chargingStatus = statusBatteryFile.readline().split()[2] statusBatteryFile.readline() batteryCharge = int (float(statusBatteryFile.readline().split()[2])/batteryMaxCap*100) statusBatteryFile.close() # make the string result strResult = str(batteryCharge) + "% " # add charging status (charging - charged ) if chargingStatus == "charged": strResult += " charged " if chargingStatus == "charging": strResult += " charging " else: strResult = "Battery not found" # battery not present infoBatteryFile.close() # for two or more batteries if len(batteries) > 1: strResult = b + ":" + strResult else: strResult = "No battery support" speech.speak(strResult) return true regards Jonathan Chacón From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Sun Aug 10 05:25:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5248E750100 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:25:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.799 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.799 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:44:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [213.4.149.242] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dQFwNNtvBnar for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:25:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout3.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3AF27500C2 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:24:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (88.17.10.158) by ctsmtpout3.frontal.correo (7.3.135) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489CC6D80017C8CD for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:24:47 +0200 From: Jonathan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Chac=F3n?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 07:24:32 +0200 Message-Id: <1218345872.25679.9.camel@P4mobile> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 05:25:06 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to recompile my orca-customization.py file to add new scripts but I edit my orca-customization.py file and I restart orca but there is not orca-customization.pyc file and there is no changes in orca.... What can I do? here is my orca-customization.py file: # import orca.Gecko import orca.braille as braille import orca.speech as speech import orca.keybindings as keybindings import orca.input_event as input_event import orca.settings as settings import os import time from orca.orca_i18n import _ # orca.Gecko.controlCaretNavigation = True # change orca-key for UMPC device # settings.orcaModifierKeys = ["Insert","KP_Insert"] def sayBattery(script, inputEvent=None): acpiBatteryPath = "/proc/acpi/battery" # path for batteries batteries = os.listdir(acpiBatteryPath) # gets all batteries in the PC if len(batteries) > 0 : # there is battery support for b in batteries: # gets info about the battery pathFile = acpiBatteryPath + "/" + b + "/" infoBatteryFile = file(pathFile + "info", "r") # opens info battery if infoBatteryFile.readline().split()[1] == "yes": infoBatteryFile.readline() # jumps a line batteryMaxCap = float (infoBatteryFile.readline().split()[3]) # gets max capacity # gets status battery statusBatteryFile = file(pathFile + "state", "r") # jumps to battery charge statusBatteryFile.readline() statusBatteryFile.readline() chargingStatus = statusBatteryFile.readline().split()[2] statusBatteryFile.readline() batteryCharge = int (float(statusBatteryFile.readline().split()[2])/batteryMaxCap*100) statusBatteryFile.close() # make the string result strResult = str(batteryCharge) + "% " # add charging status (charging - charged ) if chargingStatus == "charged": strResult += " charged " if chargingStatus == "charging": strResult += " charging " else: strResult = "Battery not found" # battery not present infoBatteryFile.close() # for two or more batteries if len(batteries) > 1: strResult = b + ":" + strResult else: strResult = "No battery support" speech.speak(strResult) return true def sayTime(script, inputEvent=None): timeMessage = time.strftime("%H:%M", time.localtime()) speech.speak(timeMessage) return true sayTimeHandler = input_event.InputEventHandler(sayTime, _("Speak and braille time information")) sayBatteryHandler = input_event.InputEventHandler(sayBattery, _("Speak and braille battery information")) keys = keybindings.KeyBindings() keys.add(keybindings.KeyBinding("t", 1<< settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayTimeHandler)) keys.add(keybindings.KeyBinding("z", 1<< settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayBatteryHandler)) settings.keyBindingsMap = {} settings.keyBindingsMap["default"] = keys thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 10 06:51:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E43A7500C1 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:51:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_DD=0.077, TW_DP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 749 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.200.172] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PXwmmJKIc-4p for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:51:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.172]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 903B175002E for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:51:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1369392wfg.9 for ; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:51:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=ztNg9512f2ywP/YftlY3EYZTnzCnqA8hcF32XR+oExU=; b=djGalz6kGDdD/MjlbAhphxcXqFsOf6ePV2kP3Hpwzp84LRKeKytXMXGNHbJZN0jow3 8ewoMpg813PDkzZ/uRGpKftGB/aSjGuThW9Dxcucq4D9DrJNGOOsCpCRzChhnn03vWTE zU+wF0/v0OjWKrnWmKYfacr6zPfW8c7VQgzZc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=F9C/AKEmMqN8gxB14G85v2S9woT96VgoY7FbnH3dizW09IlOm2hZln2xqOxAZuL2i6 cGtOmx8tLp9fpN0ngGAeO3jdio/vnO0fURDZhuQBqLKDH5LqFwTWun8KmowUcg8RTaOa JTFR1DgLXYDk3hiM383KfcAnUf4GXrgEYhMMo= Received: by 10.142.128.6 with SMTP id a6mr1614126wfd.68.1218351100932; Sat, 09 Aug 2008 23:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.18 with HTTP; Sat, 9 Aug 2008 23:51:40 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3752f20808092351kcd1daa1gf3da37861cc72b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 12:21:40 +0530 From: "Krishnakant Mane" To: mike In-Reply-To: <0K5900M491EXBW67@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0K5900M491EXBW67@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Here is a rough draft of the guide X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 06:51:51 -0000 wonderful guide. only one correction. there is o mention to gnu/linux so please correct it. "ubuntu is a gnu/linux " distro. Secondly, There needs some mention to pidgin which is pritty accessible. another things I would suggest is the web vism extention also needs a mention. lastely, We must make the accessibility level of openoffice clear with some examples. over and over, a very good work indeed. I think many can get started with the help of this guide. Happy Hacking. Krishnakant. On 08/08/2008, mike wrote: > Hi, here is a rough draft of the guide. I will be gone for a few days, but > will work on adding things to this and improving it when I get back. > For now, maybe this information will be of use to someone. > Mike. > > Written by Michael Coulombe. > A basic guide to Orca and Ubuntu. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080807-0, 08/07/2008), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > This is my first attempt at putting a guide together for new users. Note, > I hope this information will be helpful, but I do not guarantee any of the > things listed here to work. Use this information at your own risk. In other > words, I will not be held responsible if anything happens. > This guide is free. Feel free to give it to anyone you want to give it > to. You may also feel free to add to, word better or improve this guide. Ok, > with that out of the way, here we go. > I started using Ubuntu a few years ago and have been given a lot of help > by others on and off the Ubuntu list and the Orca list. So I thought I would > share a little of what I know about Linux for those who are thinking about > giving it a try. > This guide will include some of the things I have found to be useful when > using Linux. > Since I use Ubuntu, I will be talking about that operating system, but > there are several good Linux distributions out. Ubuntu for example is a > completely free operating system. This means you can share it with anyone > and install it on as many computers as you like. > I am assuming you know your computer, and know how to do things like > getting it to boot from the CD, so I will not go in to computer language in > this guide. But I will tell you the easiest way I have found to do things. > > A few notes. > Linux has a lot to offer, and it is a wonderful operating system for the > blind. It is getting more accessible all the time, but there are some things > you should know right off before starting to learn it. Ubuntu is a Linux > operating system. You are not using windows and should know you will have to > learn a few things. In order to take full advantage of the Linux operating > system, you will have to learn to use the consul, which is known as the > terminal in gnome the graphical desktop. If you do not want to learn the > terminal at all or do not have patience, you should probably stick with > another operating system. If you know dos, learning the terminal should be > fairly easy for you. If you do not know dos, you will have a little to > learn. > The terminal is used by typing in commands. There are a lot of very good > programs that run in the terminal, and at times the terminal can make your > Linux experience easier and more accessible. For example, updates can be > obtained with speech feedback easier from the terminal. Wile we are on the > subject of speech. Remember you are not using a windows screen reader. While > you may find some of Orca's commands similar, it will be different from a > windows or mac screen reader. > You should also know that Orca and Ubuntu are always being improved. If > you don't like something now, it may be to your liking in the next release. > With that said, lets get to the operating system. > > First of all, I suggest downloading the latest live CD or DVD image of > the latest final release of Ubuntu. The nice thing about Ubuntu is that you > can try the operating system with out making any changes to your computer. > In fact you can actually use the live CD to get files off of your computer > if the operating system crashes. > > Running the live CD. > Once you write the live CD image to a disc do the following. First boot > your computer from the CD. The drive should stop in a short time, and you > will be in the language menu. English is first, so I will use it for these > instructions. If you do want English, press enter once. > Next press the f5 key and let it go. Then press the number 3 key and let > it go. Now press enter twice. The system will boot in a few minutes, but > Orca usually doesn't start. > Once the computer is booted, do the following. First, hold down the alt > key and press the f2 key, and then let both keys go. In a few seconds type > Orca and press enter. When it comes up speaking, you can inter the > preferences menu and make your choices. I suggest quitting Orca after you > make the changes and restarting it using the steps listed above. > Now you can play around with Ubuntu and see if you like it. > > Installing Ubuntu. > As of this writing the installer doesn't work with Orca from the desktop. > However, there is a release of Ubuntu you can download that you can install > with Orca. The following are the instructions for installing the original > Hardy release. > > Installing Ubuntu hardy with Orca. > Note, this only works with the original release. > Put the CD in the computer and turn it on. Once at the boot screen you > will be at the language menu. English is the first choice. If you need > another language, get sighted help to pick the language you want. > Assuming English is the language you want do the following, or do these > steps after picking the language of your choice. First press enter. Then, > press the down arrow key once. This picks the option of booting right into > the installer. Next press the f5 key and let it go. Now press the number 3 > key and let it go. Last press enter twice. The system will boot, and you can > follow the instructions to install your new operating system when Orca > begins speaking > > Installing Ubuntu inside windows. > Starting with the hardy release a nice feature has been added to Ubuntu. > You can install it inside windows, and you do not have to make any changes > to your computer. You can uninstall Ubuntu just as easy. This is a very nice > way to install Ubuntu so you can try it, but there are two disadvantages, as > of this writing. The standby and some of the other features in the shutdown > menu will not work if Ubuntu is installed this way. Also the system is more > vulnerable to corruption if you have a power loss. > You can install Ubuntu inside windows one of two ways. If you have the > live CD, simply pick install inside windows from the CD menu when you put > the CD in your drive after windows is loaded. Yes, it is accessible and you > only have two or three choices to make. After the files are copied reboot > the computer, and in a few seconds you will come to a choice of booting into > windows or Ubuntu. Windows is first, so press the down arrow key once and > then press enter. It will take about 15 minutes or so for the system to > finish installing. If you picked the screen reader to be installed, it will > say welcome to Orca shortly. > After the system finishes installing your computer will reboot. Use the > down arrow key to pick Ubuntu and press enter. That's all there is to it. > There is a second way to install Ubuntu inside windows, and using this > way you do not have to write a CD. > First download the program called wubi. Run it in windows and follow the > instructions. Wubi will download the image and then install like it would > have from the live CD. Note, this will take several hours because the image > has to be downloaded. > > Keys. > Ubuntu uses the gnome graphical desktop which in some ways is similar, > remember I said similar to windows. You will find some of the gnome keyboard > shortcuts similar to what you know in windows. For example, to get to the > menus. Hold down the alt key and press f1. Now use the arrow keys to explore > the different menus. In most programs to get to the menu. Hold down the alt > key and press f for file, t for tools and so on. The only program I know of > that doesn't require you to hold the alt key down with the menu choice is > open office. To run a program directly. Hold down the alt key and press f2. > I suggest you download a command list for both gnome and Orca. > There are three main menus in gnome. Applications, places and system. > Each of these menus have several sub menus. After you press the alt and f1 > keys you will be at the applications menu. Use the down arrow key to explore > the different menus, and use the right arrow key to go into any menu. > If you move to the left using the left arrow key you will be in the > system menu. Use the down arrow key to explore it. If you move left again, > you will be in the places menu. > > The terminal. > You new this was coming at some point, and we may as well get it out of > the way now. While Gnome the graphical desktop is getting better all the > time and you will be able to use it for most tasks. There will be times when > you will not be able to use it or will want a faster way to do something. > The terminal is something you are going to have to know a little about to > use Ubuntu. It can be your friend if you give it a chance. > You run the terminal from the accessories menu, or you can run it > directly by doing the following. Press the alt and f2 keys together and then > let them go. You will hear Orca ask for the command you want to run. Type > the following, gnome-terminal, then press enter. No matter which way you > choose to use, go ahead and open the terminal. > Now that it is opened you have to tell the system who you are so it will > let you make changes and run programs. To do this, type the following > command, sudo su and press enter. You will be asked for a password. Type > your password and press enter. You should here root at what ever your > computer name is. You are now logged into the terminal. You should always > login when you enter the terminal because if you don't you will be limited > on what you can do. Some programs like the battery program acpitool will run > if you are not logged in, but most programs will not run this way. > > Getting updates. > Lets start with something simple. You need to keep your system up to > date. There are two terminal programs you can use, apt-get or aptitude. I > will be using aptitude. > Type aptitude update and press enter. You can disable speech, or continue > pressing the control key to keep from hearing all of the stuff Orca will > say. If you are using a desktop computer. To temporarily stop speech, press > insert s to stop speech, and insert s again to enable speech. > Once the update process is complete type this command, > aptitude-distupgrade and press enter. You should listen to what is said > since Orca will either say no packages will be upgraded or it will give you > a list of packages to be upgraded. If you agree all you do is press y and > then press enter. You can disable speech for awhile until it is finished. > Well, you just completed your first task in the terminal. It will be > second nature to you after a few times. > You can also get updates using the update manager, but sometimes Orca > doesn't work correctly with this. However, if you find broken packages, you > will want to use the update manager because it has a feature to correct this > problem. I think you get the point. The more you know the more you can do to > get things to work when necessary. > > Removing programs. > Remember when I said the terminal can be your friend. You can remove > packages using the package manager, but here is a fast way to remove one not > listed in the add remove programs menu. > Simply type, aptitude remove followed by the package name and press > enter. You add packages the same way. For example aptitude install acpitool > or aptitude remove acpitool. > > Cleaning your system. > There are two easy ways to get rid of all of the old packages still on > your system. 1, In the terminal type the following command, aptitude clean > and press enter. That's all there is to it. 2, In the terminal type the > following, apt-get autoremove and press enter. > > Making admin apps accessible. > Orca is going to be the screen reader you will use in Ubuntu. You may as > well know some of the admin apps are not accessible as of this writing. But > in many cases there are ways to make them accessible. Lets deal with this > now. > Get in the terminal and type the following. sudo su then press enter. You > will be asked for your password, so type it and press enter. You should hear > root at what ever the name of your computer is. > Now we are going to enable the root account. To do this you will use a > editor called nano. Follow these instructions. > Type nano /etc/gdm/gdm.conf and press enter. The file should now be > opened. Next hold down control and press w, you should now be in a search > field so type allow root, and press enter. Now using down arrow find the > line that says allow root = false. Backspace out the word false and replace > it with the word true. Now hold down control and press x. You will be asked > to enter y if you want to save the changes. Do this and press enter. > That's the hardest part. Now we have to add a password to the root > account. Here's how to do it. > Type passwd root then press enter. You will be asked for the password > twice. Enter one and press enter. Enter it again to confirm and press enter. > You should here that the password was updated. > Alt f4 will close the terminal. You can also close the terminal by typing > exit and pressing enter. This has to be done twice if you are logged into > the terminal. > Now you can log in using the root account by using root as the username. > You will find more of the admin apps are accessible this way. > Note, while the installer doesn't work with Orca directly from the > desktop on the live CD. Here is a dirty trick that sometimes gets it to > work. For this to have a chance, you must boot the live CD using the f5 and > number 3 settings described above. > If you enable the root account on the live CD using the steps described > above. In some versions of Ubuntu you will be able to login as root and run > ubiquity or just run install from the desktop. If this works in the version > you have you will be able to get speech during the install process. If you > do not use the f5 and number 3 options when you boot the live CD. You will > be able to enable the root account, but for some reason you will not be able > to login to it. > > Batteries. > If you are using a laptop and want to know the battery status. Install > the program acpitool. Running this program from the terminal will tell you > the charge that is left in your battery. > > Web browsing. > Fire fox is the web browser in Ubuntu. It is getting better all the time, > and as of this writing it is very accessible. To search for a site use > control l instead of control o. This through me at first when I tried to use > fire fox, because I thought you had to use control o. There is now a links > list plug in available for fire fox that will let you pick just the links > using the arrow keys. > > Hey, how about my m-p-3 files and videos. > To play these files in Ubuntu you will have to install some software. I > suggest doing this from the root account because you will hear the progress > as the files are being downloaded, but this will also work from your > account. The difference is you will not hear the progress as the files are > downloading. > From the applications menu, press enter on add remove programs. You want > to pick show all available software. In the edit field, type plug in and > press enter. Now use the tab key to get to the list. Using down arrow, look > at the programs and check everything except the Ubuntu restricted package. I > always had problems with this one because you have to agree to a Java > license that Orca does not read. > After checking everything else apply the updates. Now you should be able > to play your files. > If you are going to encode files, you should also install flac and lame > from the terminal. > There are a variety of different players you can use. Pick the one that > is best for you. > > copying discs, burning CDs and so on. > These features work well with Orca in Ubuntu. Insert a disc, and using > the programs key, pick copy disc from the menu. The program for writing > discs in the sound and video menu is the one used and it works well with > Orca. You will find it in the sound and video menu. > > How do I create a folder? > shift control n. > > What if the system crashes? > You will like the fact that this usually doesn't happen. However, all > operating systems have this problem at one time or another. The good thing > is in Ubuntu you do not have to reboot most of the time. > If a program hangs here is what will usually get you going again. Press > the control alt and backspace keys together for a second then let them go. > This will kill the gnome session and put you at the login screen. Log in and > everything should be fine. You will loose any work you were doing, for > example changes you didn't save to a file. But this would happen in any > operating system. If you are writing. I suggest setting the text editor to > save your file every minute. This way the most you will loose is a minute of > work. > > About applications. > You are probably wondering what apps work with Orca. Some do, and some do > not. Here are the ones I know do. > The text editor and to some extent open office work. The dictionary works > very well. You can install a terminal program called dict for a dictionary > you can use in the terminal. Note the dictionaries require that you are on > the Internet. > Most of the admin tools now work if you are in the root account, and some > of them will work from your account. The sound and video apps that come with > Ubuntu all work. The programs that come with Ubuntu in the graphics menu > work with Orca. Fire fox works well, and so does transmission the torrent > client that comes with Ubuntu. > Others may work, but I haven't had a reason to try them yet. That should > give you a few to work with, and there are several other apps you can get > using add remove programs that also work well with Orca. I know for example > that the world clock program is very accessible, as well as some of the text > editors. > If you want to play m-p-3 files from the terminal. Install the program > mp3blaster for this purpose. I think vlc media player may also work in the > terminal. > > Adjusting the volume. > You can do this in gnome, but here is a fast way to do it in the terminal > if you are using alsa. > In the terminal, run the program alsamixer. Now press up or down arrow to > turn the volume up or down. Pressing the right arrow puts you in another > volume menu. You will usually be interested in the master volume which is > the first menu that comes up when you run the alsa mixer program. But it > also has menus for the line in, microphone and so on. When you are done > press the escape key twice to exit the program. > > Recording what is said in the terminal. > There will be times when you will want to have a reference of what is > said in the terminal. For example, consider the following. You want to > install a program, but do not know it's name. So lets say you type water in > the terminal. Orca will tell you that water is not installed. But then it > will tell you the name of the program you have to install to get the program > water installed. > Now lets say you don't understand what Orca said. Or maybe it said a word > you do not know how to spell. The following little program will give you a > text file you can look at later to get the exact spelling. > The program is called script. Simply type script and press enter when you > are in the terminal. From this point everything you do in the terminal > including the computers feedback will be recorded in a file called > typescript. When you are finished hold the control key down and press the > letter d, then let the keys go. This will close the file. You can find the > file typescript in your home folder. > > Adding users in the terminal. > Users can be added in the gnome desktop using Orca. But there are some > nice features you can use in the terminal to do other things with user > accounts. > Lets say Joe needs to use your computer, but you only want to give him > access for a certain amount of time. You can set up a timed account as > follows. > In the terminal type the following replacing Joe with whoever. useradd > Joe -e 2007-04-19 Replace the year, month and day with the ones you need. > You can also add users by typing useradd Joe, as a example. Now you have > to give the new user a password. you do this by using the passwd program. > For example, passwd Joe, then press enter. You will be asked for the new > password. > There is another terminal program called adduser. This one is a little > different, but it works just as well. I don't think you can set up timed > accounts using the adduser program. > > How do I get the version of Orca that is running on my computer? > In the terminal type this command. Orca -v. > > How can I find out how much memory my computer has? > In the terminal, type free and press enter. > > Is there a way to see which kernel is running? > Yes, in the terminal type this command, uname -r and press enter. > > Need a simple calendar, try this one. /usr/bin/calendar. > > To connect computers through serial ports, try minicom. > > Using the top panel. > To get to the top panel, press the control, alt and tab keys together, > then let them go. > The top panel has things like the volume control and other buttons. As of > this writing it is not very accessible. Orca quite often says imbedded > component instead of the name. When you hear this, try holding down the > control key and pressing the f1 key, then let the keys go. If the program > has a toolkit, this should display it. > > Adding users to groups. > The addgroup is another terminal program. Lets say Joe's account has no > sound, but everyone else does. The problem may be that he needs to be added > to the audio group. To do this, type the following command in the terminal, > addgroup Joe audio, and press enter. > > The computer was interrupted when installing packages and now I can't get > updates. > Go to your friend the terminal and type this command, dpkg --configure > -a, and > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From steve@holmesgrown.com Sun Aug 10 18:24:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D28827500C7 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:24:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.42] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fRSlSgtEGq+V for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:24:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (fed1rmmtao104.cox.net [68.230.241.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A64DE7500BE for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:24:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao104.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080810182415.MUNW6526.fed1rmmtao104.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:24:15 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 0iQF1a0012rzSAG03iQF7V; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 14:24:15 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KSFaR-0002v1-VI for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:24:15 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KSFaS-0002BT-V1 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:24:17 -0700 Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 11:24:16 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080810182416.GA1638@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1218292983.6337.7.camel@michael-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1218292983.6337.7.camel@michael-laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17 (2007-11-01) Subject: Re: [orca-list] running speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:24:25 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 You can specify the type of autio output in the speechd.conf file. You used to specify it in the module for the speech synth you're using. So if you were using the espeak module, you would specify it in espeak.conf. I thought this got moved to the top level conf file. Check with latest version of Speech Dispatcher; I haven't gone there yet myself. Also, while checking out Speech Dispatcher, you might wanna do some testing with the spd-say command. On Sat, Aug 09, 2008 at 03:43:03PM +0100, Michael Weaver wrote: > I am trying to change from gnome-speech to speech-dispatcher and > hopefully resolve my problem of Orca shutting down. > However, I cannot seem to be able to use Alsa even though I have got the > Alsa mixer using Add Remove menu in Ubuntu. > I keep running into this error message about not being able to use this > driver because the device is already in use by something else. > I even removed Pulseaudio from the sessions menu but still no > difference. > I presume that if I can't sort out Alsa I can't run Speech-dispatcher. > Pulseaudio gets around my problem of multi channel sound mixing but I am > told this stops Orca every ten or so minutes when it is working with > Gnome-speech. > How do I get Alsa to run and how do I make sure I am running > Speech-dispatcher once I have got things up and running? > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFInzJQWSjv55S0LfERA3i5AKCr+6EQFS982HPn1nBJQZAWIljcPgCg4t8I 2m3gh4Qu1qNfx2NOluOcnYc= =VjGu -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From christian08@runbox.com Sun Aug 10 20:44:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 40BCC750007 for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.833, BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 344 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LZyhyxzq5WZQ for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DE8F75000B for ; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KSHmH-0007f7-L3 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:44:37 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=[192.168.0.39]) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KSHmH-0002o2-Dz for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:44:37 +0200 Message-ID: <489F5335.2050600@runbox.com> Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 22:44:37 +0200 From: Christian User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 2008073100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Issues with Thunderbird and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2008 20:44:48 -0000 Hi all, Running the latest build of Thunderbird3 and Orca v2.23.6pre. There is a problem when reading messages and alt-tabbing away from the message window and back to it. Do the following and see if you can duplicate this problem: Open up a message in Thunderbird. Read a few lines. Alt-tab to another window and alt-tab back again. Can you still read the message? Press tab and it should work again. I really hope that this can be resolved soon. Best regards and thanks, Christian From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Aug 11 08:04:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F0113750088 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:04:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.126, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11282 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sONAKF3GWMMH for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:03:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E275E750097 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:03:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5DAD86071662; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:03:48 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3a-TPA0BqiWb; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:03:41 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (pc-cerhatom.tartarnet.cz [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 963236071652; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:03:38 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <489FF2A4.10208@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:04:52 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Michael Weaver References: <1218292983.6337.7.camel@michael-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1218292983.6337.7.camel@michael-laptop> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] running speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:04:06 -0000 Michael Weaver wrote: > I am trying to change from gnome-speech to speech-dispatcher and > hopefully resolve my problem of Orca shutting down. Hello Michael, Please, make sure you read http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SpeechDispatcher. > I keep running into this error message about not being able to use this > driver because the device is already in use by something else. > I even removed Pulseaudio from the sessions menu but still no > difference. You need to make sure that ALL applications in your system use ALSA to access your sound-card. If there is just one accessing it directly, the others can't work. You should switch to ALSA in Gnome Sound Preferences for instance. > I presume that if I can't sort out Alsa I can't run Speech-dispatcher. You can. Speech Dispatcher can be configured to use OSS, ALSA or Pulse Audio, but ALSA is still the most reliable option. > How do I get Alsa to run and how do I make sure I am running > Speech-dispatcher once I have got things up and running? The above mentioned page describes this in the Troubleshooting section. If you get Speech Dispatcher 0.6.7, you can also use spd-conf for simple configuration and diagnostics. Best regards, Tomas From mhysnm1964@gmail.com Mon Aug 11 08:42:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A41A7500A9 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:42:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.191 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.191 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24=2.189, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:42:17 -0000 Hi, I do beleive a good beginner tutorial is required under Linux. The manual should start at the point of no knowledge and work towards being able to use Orca at a medimum level. Reference to other good How tos, tutorials, etc should be a part of the doc. Sean ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike coulombe" To: Sent: Wednesday, August 06, 2008 2:13 PM Subject: [orca-list] does anyone think a basic guide for new users is a goodidea? > > I am sending this to both the ubuntu accessibility and orca list. > > Hi, since I started using linux a few years ago I have received a great > deal of help from this list. As a thanks I am willing to put together a > basic guide for new users that will give them some basic information they > can use to get started with orca and ubuntu. I use ubuntu as my main linux > operating system so would describe it in this guide. However, I will also > mention that there are several linux distributions that people can try. > Anyway if you think a guide like this is a good idea, I am open to > suggestions on what people would like to see included in it. > If anyone has the current list of orca and gnome keyboard commands handy I > am willing to include those lists at the end if you can send them to me. > Mike. > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From alastair.irving@sjc.ox.ac.uk Mon Aug 11 09:43:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF880750077 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:43:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.307 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 968 hrs), (distance 23, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [129.67.1.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fkDxwMk2CbMN for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:43:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay0.mail.ox.ac.uk (relay0.mail.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32174750022 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:43:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.mail.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.205]) by relay0.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KSTvs-0004qP-0F for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:43:20 +0100 Received: from host81-132-2-96.range81-132.btcentralplus.com ([81.132.2.96] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KSTvr-0001k9-9D for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:43:20 +0100 Message-ID: <48A009AE.8050602@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 10:43:10 +0100 From: Alastair Irving User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 CC: orca-list@gnome.org References: <489F5335.2050600@runbox.com> In-Reply-To: <489F5335.2050600@runbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: sjoh2519 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Issues with Thunderbird and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 09:43:32 -0000 I don't use thunderbird but have noticed something similar in firefox. If you alt-tab away from a page and then alt-tab back to it you can't navigate with the arrow keys. I normally sort this by going into then leaving the menubar. This is with firefox 3.0.1, and orca trunk as at some point last week. Alastair Christian wrote: > Hi all, > Running the latest build of Thunderbird3 and Orca v2.23.6pre. > There is a problem when reading messages and alt-tabbing away from the > message window and back to it. > Do the following and see if you can duplicate this problem: > Open up a message in Thunderbird. > Read a few lines. Alt-tab to another window and alt-tab back again. Can > you still read the message? > Press tab and it should work again. > I really hope that this can be resolved soon. > Best regards and thanks, > Christian > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From deprice@cs.utah.edu Mon Aug 11 14:51:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7BC10750107 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:51:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 3811 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id cUfMdzu70WaN for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:50:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2751975008C for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:50:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F3196500B2; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:50:54 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3z30Ugzw6iR5; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.0.4] (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 68B1E65009E; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:50:53 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <48A051E0.70806@cs.utah.edu> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 08:51:12 -0600 From: "David E. Price" User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080811030356) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian References: <489F5335.2050600@runbox.com> In-Reply-To: <489F5335.2050600@runbox.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Issues with Thunderbird and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: deprice@cs.utah.edu List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:51:04 -0000 Hi, Christian, I can confirm this behavior in Thunderbird. dave Christian wrote: > Hi all, > Running the latest build of Thunderbird3 and Orca v2.23.6pre. > There is a problem when reading messages and alt-tabbing away from the > message window and back to it. > Do the following and see if you can duplicate this problem: > Open up a message in Thunderbird. > Read a few lines. Alt-tab to another window and alt-tab back again. > Can you still read the message? > Press tab and it should work again. > I really hope that this can be resolved soon. > Best regards and thanks, > Christian > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Aug 11 15:37:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AADAC750088 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:37:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Xkw3krCrZIew for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:37:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 90C6D75012F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:37:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B210C4A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.12.74]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KSZSX0zLi-0006aJ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:37:25 +0200 From: Hermann To: orca-list@gnome.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:39:06 +0200 Message-ID: <87y733h885.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+pUa5v2+88x8v8+la+VZXHN5pC9w8m4B1thIy bLZch2mvfVMZB6dgTnwU4fDjDvoV4ehYZzr/0fB7gYdfS0iMX3 bRkdf60vw2vqMRxywKvIA== Subject: [orca-list] Perhaps a bit OT: Is Songbird accessible? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:37:33 -0000 Hi, one part of the Mozilla products is the player Songbird. Since there is no really convenient and accessible player in Gnome, I want to ask whether someone has tried Songbird and can tell, whether it's worth installing it? Mainly: Does it work with Orca? Just for curiosity. Hermann -- From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Mon Aug 11 15:57:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36C3675016E for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 7232 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t4Crya5gaJV9 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FE60750004 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94E7CBD001A for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:02 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F54328006 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:57:05 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id TK9JLKvvyZmV for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:57:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (mta-out3 [192.168.30.28]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51F2A28009 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:57:05 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2DC26B417F for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:57:01 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:57:08 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8FBDB.AC2B7D40" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] suggestion for adding new quick navigation keys for Mozilla Firefox WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:57:17 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8FBDB.AC2B7D40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear core developers of Orca Screen Reader, I would like to please Your development team to analyze my following = idea. Many WEB pages on The Internet are specially formatted, The elements on = The WEB pages are having various characteristics such as Headings can = have multiple levels, there are comboboxes, buttons, radiobuttons or = graphics. I Am aware, that adding new feature is requiring to modifi = whole Orca source code and that adding new hodkey for Mozilla Firefox is = requiring Your time and working with source code. But: What do You think about possibility to add shortcuts for all levels of = headings, so: CTRL+numeric number 1 could jump to heading level 1, CTRL+numeric number = 2 could jump to heading level 2 ETC. I have numbers on The numeric = keypad on my mind. Because there are WEB pages, which can contain = specific information, which are located near The specific heading level. I would like to please you for adding c letter for jump to combobox, g = for jumping to a graphic. And upper case letters could directly jump to = backward of those elements. G backward for previous graphic.=20 My opinion is, that because visually impaired users can not fastly use = mouse and their eye for quick finding of A specific element, Screen = Reader would provide as many navigation keys as possible for fast = navigation. During thinking about my suggestion, please try to have on = Your mind, that speech or braille navigation with using keyboard can not = provide so fast access to The information, which can be provided by = sighted computer users. Because this The reality, try to analyze, if is = it possible to get necessary information about as many elements as is it = possible and I think, that it is better to have for example 20 various = keystrokes for quick navigation, than to have only 10 or 8, and user = must find The information according The find function. When I read WEB page for A first time, I have enabled Screen Reader = feature, which is informing me about various types of elements, which = are displayed on The WEB page. It means, that if I can quickly find = necessary information, I rather use quick navigation keys to fastly jump = to A specific element on The WEB page instead of typing some letters of = string, which can move The cursor to The place, which I want. www.snapfiles.com This server is The example of many elements and when quick orientation = on this WEB pages could be possible by adding new various navigation = keys to The Orca. If somebody of use could personaly send Me latest Orca snapshot zipped = in The E-mail attachment, I will try to add those new navigation keys = myself and I will try to send modified source code to The core developer = of Orca. But I do not know, if I will have chance to understand The = algorithm, which is used for creating new hodkey for Orca in Mozilla = Firefox. And if The names of objects for Mozilla Firefox in Gnome have = The same names, like Control names according to MSAA in Windows XP. = Somebody also could send Me only The .py files, which are driving The = orca during using navigation keys in The Mozilla firefox. Thank You for Your patience and for your time. And please, try to think = about my suggestion slowly and do not refuse this too fast until You = will deeply analyze my suggestion. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8FBDB.AC2B7D40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear core developers of Orca Screen Reader,
 
    I would like to please Your development team to = analyze=20 my following idea.
 
Many WEB pages on The Internet are specially formatted, The = elements on The=20 WEB pages are having various characteristics such as Headings can have = multiple=20 levels, there are comboboxes, buttons, radiobuttons or graphics. I Am = aware,=20 that adding new feature is requiring to modifi whole Orca source code = and that=20 adding new hodkey for Mozilla Firefox is requiring Your time and working = with=20 source code.
 
But:
 
What do You think about possibility to add shortcuts for all levels = of=20 headings, so:
 
CTRL+numeric number 1 could jump to heading level 1, CTRL+numeric = number 2=20 could jump to heading level 2 ETC. I have numbers on The numeric keypad = on my=20 mind. Because there are WEB pages, which can contain specific = information, which=20 are located near The specific heading level.
 
I would like to please you for adding c letter for jump to = combobox, g for=20 jumping to a graphic. And upper case letters could directly jump to = backward of=20 those elements. G backward for previous graphic.
 
My opinion is, that because visually impaired users can not fastly = use=20 mouse and their eye for quick finding of A specific element, Screen = Reader would=20 provide as many navigation keys as possible for fast navigation. During = thinking=20 about my suggestion, please try to have on Your mind, that speech or = braille=20 navigation with using keyboard can not provide so fast access to The=20 information, which can be provided by sighted computer users. Because = this The=20 reality, try to analyze, if is it possible to get necessary information = about as=20 many elements as is it possible and I think, that it is better to have = for=20 example 20 various keystrokes for quick navigation, than to have only 10 = or 8,=20 and user must find The information according The find function.
 
When I read WEB page for A first time, I have enabled Screen Reader = feature, which is informing me about various types of elements, which = are=20 displayed on The WEB page. It means, that if I can quickly find = necessary=20 information, I rather use quick navigation keys to fastly jump to A = specific=20 element on The WEB page instead of typing some letters of string, which = can move=20 The cursor to The place, which I want.
 
 
This server is The example of many elements and when quick = orientation on=20 this WEB pages could be possible  by adding new = various=20 navigation keys to The Orca.
 
If somebody of use could personaly send Me latest Orca snapshot = zipped in=20 The E-mail attachment, I will try to add those new navigation keys = myself and I=20 will try to send modified source code to The core developer of Orca. But = I do=20 not know, if I will have chance to understand The algorithm, which is = used for=20 creating new hodkey for Orca in Mozilla Firefox. And if The names of = objects for=20 Mozilla Firefox in Gnome have The same names, like Control names = according to=20 MSAA in Windows XP. Somebody also could send Me only The .py files, = which are=20 driving The orca during using navigation keys in The Mozilla = firefox.
 
Thank You for Your patience and for your time. And please, try to = think=20 about my suggestion slowly and do not refuse this too fast until You = will deeply=20 analyze my suggestion.
 
The kindness regards.
 
Janusz Chmiel
------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C8FBDB.AC2B7D40-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 11 17:44:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D30E47500C7 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 3411 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h9kZEE+4PLlA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D152750077 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6C072A0A69; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:43:15 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tPiUCl7SDLDA; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:43:13 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4B1C22A07B7; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:43:13 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48A07A62.6080808@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:44:02 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-2?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 2008080700) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080809-0, 08/09/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] suggestion for adding new quick navigation keys for Mozilla Firefox WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:44:36 -0000 Hi, I'm new to orca but if I'm not mistaken, some features suggested are present. For example: H and shift+h jumps to the next or previous heading. 1 and shift+1 jumps to the next or previous heading level 1. 2 and shift+2 jumps to next or previous heading level 2. The same behavior for numbers 3, 4, 5 and 6. I don't know about combo box, check box and etc. Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Dear core developers of Orca Screen Reader, > I would like to please Your development team to analyze my following idea. > Many WEB pages on The Internet are specially formatted, The elements on > The WEB pages are having various characteristics such as Headings can > have multiple levels, there are comboboxes, buttons, radiobuttons or > graphics. I Am aware, that adding new feature is requiring to modifi > whole Orca source code and that adding new hodkey for Mozilla Firefox is > requiring Your time and working with source code. > But: > What do You think about possibility to add shortcuts for all levels of > headings, so: > CTRL+numeric number 1 could jump to heading level 1, CTRL+numeric number > 2 could jump to heading level 2 ETC. I have numbers on The numeric > keypad on my mind. Because there are WEB pages, which can contain > specific information, which are located near The specific heading level. > I would like to please you for adding c letter for jump to combobox, g > for jumping to a graphic. And upper case letters could directly jump to > backward of those elements. G backward for previous graphic. > My opinion is, that because visually impaired users can not fastly use > mouse and their eye for quick finding of A specific element, Screen > Reader would provide as many navigation keys as possible for fast > navigation. During thinking about my suggestion, please try to have on > Your mind, that speech or braille navigation with using keyboard can not > provide so fast access to The information, which can be provided by > sighted computer users. Because this The reality, try to analyze, if is > it possible to get necessary information about as many elements as is it > possible and I think, that it is better to have for example 20 various > keystrokes for quick navigation, than to have only 10 or 8, and user > must find The information according The find function. > When I read WEB page for A first time, I have enabled Screen Reader > feature, which is informing me about various types of elements, which > are displayed on The WEB page. It means, that if I can quickly find > necessary information, I rather use quick navigation keys to fastly jump > to A specific element on The WEB page instead of typing some letters of > string, which can move The cursor to The place, which I want. > www.snapfiles.com > This server is The example of many elements and when quick orientation > on this WEB pages could be possible by adding new various navigation > keys to The Orca. > If somebody of use could personaly send Me latest Orca snapshot zipped > in The E-mail attachment, I will try to add those new navigation keys > myself and I will try to send modified source code to The core developer > of Orca. But I do not know, if I will have chance to understand The > algorithm, which is used for creating new hodkey for Orca in Mozilla > Firefox. And if The names of objects for Mozilla Firefox in Gnome have > The same names, like Control names according to MSAA in Windows XP. > Somebody also could send Me only The .py files, which are driving The > orca during using navigation keys in The Mozilla firefox. > Thank You for Your patience and for your time. And please, try to think > about my suggestion slowly and do not refuse this too fast until You > will deeply analyze my suggestion. > The kindness regards. > Janusz Chmiel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 11 17:47:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 20EAB7500BA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:47:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tzAIN2iKFYwu for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 749FE7500F3 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7BHksIw001875 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:46:54 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5G00701672EY00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5G00MCX6PRS910@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 11:46:40 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 13:45:28 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1218345872.25679.9.camel@P4mobile> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9uYXRoYW4gQ2hhY8Ozbg==?= Message-id: <48A07AB8.20400@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <1218345872.25679.9.camel@P4mobile> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 17:47:06 -0000 Hi Jonathan: I think there's a syntax error in your file where the first line of the sayTime method should be indented, but it isn't. :-( If you want to test your file out for Python issues, you can do something like this in the Python interpreter while you're sitting in the same directory as orca-customizations.py: a = __import__("orca-customizations") Hope this helps! Will Jonathan Chacón wrote: > Hello, > > I'm trying to recompile my orca-customization.py file to add new scripts > but I edit my orca-customization.py file and I restart orca but there is > not orca-customization.pyc file and there is no changes in orca.... > > What can I do? > > here is my orca-customization.py file: > > # import orca.Gecko > import orca.braille as braille > import orca.speech as speech > import orca.keybindings as keybindings > import orca.input_event as input_event > import orca.settings as settings > import os > import time > from orca.orca_i18n import _ > > # orca.Gecko.controlCaretNavigation = True > > # change orca-key for UMPC device > # settings.orcaModifierKeys = ["Insert","KP_Insert"] > > def sayBattery(script, inputEvent=None): > acpiBatteryPath = "/proc/acpi/battery" # path for batteries > batteries = os.listdir(acpiBatteryPath) # gets all batteries in the PC > if len(batteries) > 0 : # there is battery support > for b in batteries: > # gets info about the battery > pathFile = acpiBatteryPath + "/" + b + "/" > infoBatteryFile = file(pathFile + "info", "r") # opens info battery > if infoBatteryFile.readline().split()[1] == "yes": > infoBatteryFile.readline() # jumps a line > batteryMaxCap = float (infoBatteryFile.readline().split()[3]) # gets > max capacity > # gets status battery > statusBatteryFile = file(pathFile + "state", "r") # jumps to battery > charge > statusBatteryFile.readline() > statusBatteryFile.readline() > chargingStatus = statusBatteryFile.readline().split()[2] > statusBatteryFile.readline() > batteryCharge = int > (float(statusBatteryFile.readline().split()[2])/batteryMaxCap*100) > statusBatteryFile.close() > # make the string result > strResult = str(batteryCharge) + "% " > # add charging status (charging - charged ) > if chargingStatus == "charged": strResult += " charged " > if chargingStatus == "charging": strResult += " charging " > else: strResult = "Battery not found" # battery not present > infoBatteryFile.close() > # for two or more batteries > if len(batteries) > 1: strResult = b + ":" + strResult > else: strResult = "No battery support" > speech.speak(strResult) > return true > > def sayTime(script, inputEvent=None): > timeMessage = time.strftime("%H:%M", time.localtime()) > speech.speak(timeMessage) > return true > > > sayTimeHandler = input_event.InputEventHandler(sayTime, _("Speak and > braille time information")) > sayBatteryHandler = input_event.InputEventHandler(sayBattery, _("Speak > and braille battery information")) > > keys = keybindings.KeyBindings() > > keys.add(keybindings.KeyBinding("t", 1<< settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << > settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayTimeHandler)) > keys.add(keybindings.KeyBinding("z", 1<< settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, 1 << > settings.MODIFIER_ORCA, sayBatteryHandler)) > settings.keyBindingsMap = {} > settings.keyBindingsMap["default"] = keys > > > > thanks and regards > Jonathan Chacón > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 11 18:05:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC14C750050 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:05:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IM9Ogg1+-LCA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:05:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0880750031 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7BI4uYa009346 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:04:56 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5G007017CRWL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5G00M3X7K5S970@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:04:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:03:43 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <69C4915712B94B178E7DD5B5C2B9D4F6@WinVista> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Peter Laursen Message-id: <48A07EFF.7010308@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <69C4915712B94B178E7DD5B5C2B9D4F6@WinVista> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Various Questions about Orca and web browsers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 18:05:07 -0000 Hi Peter: Very interesting stuff. > gave me that information. How does Orca communicate with Firefox 3.0? Orca communicates with Firefox via the AT-SPI. If you can get to other parts of the desktop with Orca, then something seems like it might be going wrong in the way Firefox is connecting to the AT-SPI. I'm not sure of the best way to debug that (it's always worked for me). > 2) The gnome web browser Epiphany works somewhat with Orca. The support > is not great, but one is at least able to browse most of the web pages. > Why is this web browser not supported? Can anything be done to support > this web browser? The Orca team is small and we can only do so much. For web accessibility, we chose Firefox because it has the richest support for accessibility. If there is a strong interest in Ephiphany, we would definitely be willing to accept a script someone develops for it. Hope this helps! Will From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Mon Aug 11 19:37:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D1F4750007 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:37:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 7268 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h7PF8YTrVwaz for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:37:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6CED6750004 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:37:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 279FD38EA4 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:36:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1357628006 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:36:19 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id OOK7mfeUS9NA for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:36:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (mta-out3 [192.168.30.28]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9DD328005 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:36:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 50A456B4255 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:36:15 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 21:36:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0051_01C8FBFA.4A0868C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually impaired to work like a server administrators for ISP companyes? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:37:27 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C8FBFA.4A0868C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear developers of Orca, I would like to emphasize one big remarkable aspect of Your ammazing = project, Opensource Screen Reader, which can access Gnome applications. = This remarkable aspect is, that because Linux operating system can be = obtained free of charge, and because Orca is opensource and freely = awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired users can use their = computers for their job. I would like to start a little professional = discussion, if there is some chance, that experienced visually impaired = people could work like a server administrators for Internet service = providing companyes. For companyes, which are providing access to The = Internet by using various technology such as ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, = that somebody could theoretically try to found out, which Linux = distributions are used by server administrators for managing connections = to The Internet. If those applications are working in The terminal = Window, for example, applications, which are used by ISP companyes to = monitor ADSL modems, applications, which can for example restart cable = modem remotely, applications, which are used to monitor The status of = connection of A specific ISP customer. I think, that Java Sun company = are doing really ammazing project, which can have significant role in = The complex process, which enables visually impaired users to use their = computers for a job purposes. Because Orca is very stable Screen Reader, = I AM very nicely surprised by it. I Am aware, that my topic is may be = not good topic to write about it in to this mailing list, but I would = like to start a little discussion about possibility to enable visually = impaired users to work like fully valuable server administrators for ISP = companyes. If somebody is having experience, which applications are used in The = ISP companyes for network and server administration, I would like to = know somethink about it. Eventhough I did not study informatic, and I Am = not experienced server administrator. I would like to start this little = discussion for users, who would want to work like a server = administrators. Eventhough I Am not experienced professional, my opinion is, that = developers of Screen Reader, who would like to help in this field is to = develope algorithms, which are able to watch for several dynamically = changing areas of active screen. The main development complex task is I = think to develope algorithms, which could inform visually impaired = users, if some area on The Screen has changed or no. If yes, internal = cursor could automatically jump to The field, which has been changed. = Because tone is much more faster than speech, user could define which = tones would Orca or other Screen reader to play, if specific area of = screen has changed. Because it is inpossible to monitor too many areas = of A screen, which are constantly changed, user should choose The most = important of those areas. Nex complex task is to develope those = algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume too many system = resources, because system resources is important factor for ISP = companyes. I Am aware, that I Am writing somethink like a science = fiction, because it is probably inpossible to make somethink like = ofscreen model of active application like DCM compatible Screen readers = in Windows environment. But I would like to know, if there is some = chance to make functions, which could enable visually impaired users to = work like a server administrator. I think, that this topic could be = interesting for experienced professional in some of remarkable = conferences, which are focused on Screen Readers in Linux. But it is = only my personal opinion. May be, that many of us could think, that I AM = writing about non interesting topic. If so, I Am very sorry. Thank you very much, that You read my E-mail. And I AM very sorry to all = of us, who are suffering because of my pour English grammar. I will do = my best to improve my grammar and spelling.=20 The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel ------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C8FBFA.4A0868C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear developers of = Orca,
 
    I would like to = emphasize one=20 big remarkable aspect of Your ammazing project, Opensource Screen = Reader, which=20 can access Gnome applications. This remarkable aspect is, that because = Linux=20 operating system can be obtained free of charge, and because Orca is = opensource=20 and freely awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired users can = use=20 their computers for their job. I would like to start a little = professional=20 discussion, if there is some chance, that experienced visually impaired = people=20 could work like a server administrators for Internet service providing=20 companyes. For companyes, which are providing access to The Internet by = using=20 various technology such as ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, that somebody = could=20 theoretically try to found out, which Linux distributions are used=20 by server administrators for managing connections to The Internet. = If those=20 applications are working in The terminal Window, for example, = applications,=20 which are used by ISP companyes to monitor ADSL modems, applications, = which can=20 for example restart cable modem remotely, applications, which are used = to=20 monitor The status of connection of A specific ISP customer. I think, = that Java=20 Sun company are doing really ammazing project, which can have = significant role=20 in The complex process, which enables visually impaired users to use = their=20 computers for a job purposes. Because Orca is very stable Screen Reader, = I AM=20 very nicely surprised by it. I Am aware, that my topic is may be not = good topic=20 to write about it in to this mailing list, but I would like to start a = little=20 discussion about possibility to enable visually impaired users to work = like=20 fully valuable server administrators for ISP companyes.
 
    If somebody is = having=20 experience, which applications are used in The ISP companyes for network = and=20 server administration, I would like to know somethink about it. = Eventhough I did=20 not study informatic, and I Am not experienced server administrator. I = would=20 like to start this little discussion for users, who would want to work = like a=20 server administrators.
 
    Eventhough I Am not = experienced=20 professional, my opinion is, that developers of Screen Reader, who would = like to=20 help in this field is to develope algorithms, which are able to watch = for=20 several dynamically changing areas of active screen. The main = development=20 complex task is I think to develope algorithms, which could inform = visually=20 impaired users, if some area on The Screen has changed or no. If yes, = internal=20 cursor could automatically jump to The field, which has been changed. = Because=20 tone is much more faster than speech, user could define which tones = would Orca=20 or other Screen reader to play, if specific area of screen has changed. = Because=20 it is inpossible to monitor too many areas of A screen, which are = constantly=20 changed, user should choose The most important of those areas. Nex = complex task=20 is to develope those algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume = too=20 many system resources, because system resources is important factor for = ISP=20 companyes. I Am aware, that I Am writing somethink like a science = fiction,=20 because it is probably inpossible to make somethink like ofscreen model = of=20 active application like DCM compatible Screen readers in Windows = environment.=20 But I would like to know, if there is some chance to make functions, = which could=20 enable visually impaired users to work like a server administrator. I = think,=20 that this topic could be interesting for experienced professional in = some of=20 remarkable conferences, which are focused on Screen Readers in Linux. = But it is=20 only my personal opinion. May be, that many of us could think, that I AM = writing=20 about non interesting topic. If so, I Am very sorry.
 
Thank you very much, that You read my = E-mail. And I=20 AM very sorry to all of us, who are suffering because of my pour English = grammar. I will do my best to improve my grammar and spelling.=20
 
The kindness regards.
 
Janusz Chmiel
 
------=_NextPart_000_0051_01C8FBFA.4A0868C0-- From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Mon Aug 11 19:44:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 457C475008C for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:44:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.886 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.886 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_W=1.7, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.111.95] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WuyKazFq5HCe for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:44:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.95]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69E45750004 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:44:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLU149-W47 ([65.55.111.71]) by blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Mon, 11 Aug 2008 12:44:13 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.175.208.219] From: To: Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 15:44:13 -0400 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 11 Aug 2008 19:44:13.0031 (UTC) FILETIME=[A17D1F70:01C8FBEA] Subject: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 19:44:21 -0000 greetings=2C I have written up a set of instructions documenting how I set up accessible= login on my ubuntu machine. These may be of use to new users. Would it b= e possible for someone to review the below instructions and possibly post t= hem to the wiki? (I'm not interested in learning to edit wiki pages quite = yet.) thank you:-) The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04= . Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one p= latform to another. Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom: The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom conf= iguration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1) If you have not made any modifications to this file before=2C it will most = likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sectio= ns (daemon=2C security=2C xdmcp=2C gui=2C greeter=2C chooser=2C debug and=20 servers). =20 The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =3D. = Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file. A samp= le of all keys and their default values=20 may be found in gdm.conf=2C located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custo= m. (2) To enable accessible login=2C we only need two keys located in the daemon s= ection. Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two= keys. # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ module= s. # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to mini= mize # security holes #AddGtkModules=3Dfalse # By default=2C these are the accessibility modules. #GtkModulesList=3Dgail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselis= tener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener To enable accessible login=2C the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true= =2C and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented. You can copy and pa= ste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to=20 gdm.conf-custom=2C or type them in manually: just be sure to place them bet= ween the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]." Afterwards=2C your gd= m.conf-custom file should look like: [daemon] # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ module= s. # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to mini= mize # security holes AddGtkModules=3Dtrue # By default=2C these are the accessibility modules. GtkModulesList=3Dgail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselist= ener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener [security] [xdmcp] [gui] [greeter] [chooser] [debug] [servers] Step 2: update gdm Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To do this=2C we= use the gdmflexiserver command. (3) The general form of this command would be=20 gdmflexiserver --command=3D"UPDATE_CONFIG /" With reguards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" li= st--both in the daemon section--the commands would be: $gdmflexiserver --command=3D"UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules" $gdmflexiserver --command=3D"UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions Now=2C so orca can speak durring login=2C we need to add gdm to the approve= d users of sound. In the /etc/groups file=2C locate the line starting with= audio and append "=2Cgdm" to the list if it is not already there. step 4: [optional] customize login functions. Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirec= tory "modules." The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessD= wellMouseEvents control the different=20 "gestures" allowed durring login. The headers of these files should adiqua= tely explain their modification and use. By default=2C when activated through the steps above=2C pressing and holdin= g CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech en= abled. Also=2C pressing and holding CTRL+m for one=20 second will launch orca in magnification mode=2C while the key combinations= CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and= magnification. NOTES: 1: All other documentation (including the default ubuntu help) direct the u= ser to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. 2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly=2C but I would reco= mmend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings. 3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possi= ble method for reloading gdm's settings=2C but by default under Ubuntu=2C g= dm-restart provides the "command not found" message. _________________________________________________________________ Your PC=2C mobile phone=2C and online services work together like never bef= ore. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/= From lists@digitaldarragh.com Mon Aug 11 22:25:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA287500BF for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:25:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 6042 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1O39a4WaAsRK for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:25:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE9AA750077 for ; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:25:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [194.125.97.232] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSfow-00084Q-2X; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:24:58 +0100 x-cr-puzzleid: {F583A2CC-D721-4278-8AF8-15FCDF2EF2AC} MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 23:25:19 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <0E2B0E7ECBE84C069D417F8B5D34E6E1@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: x-cr-hashedpuzzle: AXgq DGe1 EzQW GsEj I27F JaOu LlFI MF9/ Pszv Puiy Qfva SC7m UnrO U4uw VGwz WbFe; 2; YQBlAHIAbwBzAHAAYQBjAGUAMQAwADIAOABAAGgAbwB0AG0AYQBpAGwALgBjAG8AbQA7AG8AcgBjAGEALQBsAGkAcwB0AEAAZwBuAG8AbQBlAC4AbwByAGcA; Sosha1_v1; 7; {F583A2CC-D721-4278-8AF8-15FCDF2EF2AC}; ZABAAGQAaQBnAGkAdABhAGwAZABhAHIAcgBhAGcAaAAuAGMAbwBtAA==; Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:25:19 GMT; UwBlAGMAbwBuAGQAIABPAHAAZQBuAFMAdQBTAEUAIAAxADEAIAB3AGEAbABrAHQAaAByAG8AdQBnAGgAIABuAG8AdwAgAGEAdgBhAGkAbABhAGIAbABlAC4AIABVAHAAZABhAHQAaQBuAGcAIAB0AGgAZQAgAGQAaQBzAHQAcgBvACAAYQBuAGQAIABpAG4AcwB0AGEAbABsAGkAbgBnACAARQBTAHAAZQBhAGsALgA= X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: Second OpenSuSE 11 walkthrough now available. Updating the distro and installing ESpeak. thread-index: Acj76uupyW/h+Bb1RdGH6Pp7jM1CqAAFg+cA References: <0E2B0E7ECBE84C069D417F8B5D34E6E1@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: [orca-list] Second OpenSuSE 11 walkthrough now available. Updating the distro and installing ESpeak. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2008 22:25:23 -0000 Greetings,=20 You may be interested in = http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse11-update-and-install-espeak.= mp3 =20 This walk through will guide you through the process of updating = OpenSuSE 11 using the GTK version of Yast, some of the options in the = Orca preferences dialogue and possibly most importantly for some, = installing the ESpeak synthesizer.=20 You may wish to listen to the previous guide on installing OpenSuSE 11 = before listening to this recording at: = http://www.digitaldarragh.com/linux/opensuse-installation-with-orca-walkt= hrough.mp3 As always, if you have any questions, issues or suggestions please don't = hesitate to email me. Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com From Jeff.Cai@Sun.COM Tue Aug 12 02:20:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B9377500C4; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:20:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.051 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.051 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=2.548, BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 19, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.19.6] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0TthjJCMlLLb; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:20:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sineb-mail-1.sun.com (sineb-mail-1.sun.com [192.18.19.6]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4718E7500E8; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:20:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-apac-06.sun.com (fe-apac-06.sun.com [192.18.19.177] (may be forged)) by sineb-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7C2K6wI005357; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:20:07 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-apac.sun.com by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) id <0K5G00L01UDVR300@mail-apac.sun.com> (original mail from Jeff.Cai@Sun.COM) ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:20:06 +0800 (SGT) Received: from [129.158.217.199] by mail-apac.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5G009NWUHG8F6M@mail-apac.sun.com>; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:20:05 +0800 (SGT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:16:40 +0800 From: Jeff Cai In-reply-to: <18576.21826.273122.86362@zip.bunting.net.au> Sender: Jeff.Cai@Sun.COM To: bart@bunting.net.au Message-id: <1218507400.24541.2.camel@par> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <45ee1bee8b5db5bb52510be6e5d5ad86@sun.com> <1217250574.3143.27.camel@localhost> <488ECD83.8090309@sun.com> <48903997.3060005@sun.com> <18576.21826.273122.86362@zip.bunting.net.au> Cc: Michael Whapples , Willie Walker , GNOME Accessibility , Orca-list List Subject: Re: [orca-list] SWT (Standard Widget Toolkit) for Java platform accessibility X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:20:23 -0000 I think you can see your java CLASSPATH to know whether swt.jar is in your path. If no, it indicates that you are not using SWT. Jeff On Wed, 2008-07-30 at 21:49 +1000, bart@bunting.net.au wrote: > Hi all, > > Is there an easy way to tell if a java app uses SWT? > > I recently tried jbidwatcher an ebay sniping program and it came up as inaccessible. I presumed at the time that it was because it didn't use SWT but didn't really know how to check? > > Regards > > Bart > > > Jeff Cai writes: > > I made a simple accessibility test based on Azureus, a bt client which > > is using SWT. Please note that though SWT is written in Java, its > > accessibility makes use of atk-bridge while not java-access-bridge. > > > > Overall, the accessibility works fine on Azureus. > > > > 1) honoring theming > > > > Most controls works fine except the combo box in High Contrast themes. > > The items in drop-down boxes can't be discriminated from the background. > > > > 2) keyboard navigation > > > > pretty good. > > > > 3) orca > > > > Most components work. orca can't read the toolbar buttons, but > > accerciser can show them, so I guess because orca doesn't get the button > > names. > > > > It looks like orca also doesn't read the text in pop-up bubble on the > > right-bottom of the screen. > > > > Jeff > > > > 1) > > Jeff Cai wrote: > > > Are there any stand-alone SWT example applications we can use to test > > > the accessibility? Eclipse is too complicated to evaluate since it > > > shows too many controls without names in accerciser. > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > Michael Whapples wrote: > > >> On Mon, 2008-07-28 at 07:40 -0400, Willie Walker wrote: > > >>> Hi All: > > >>> > > >>> Just curious if anyone has had a chance to work with this widget set > > >>> or an application that uses this widget set. > > >> > > >> I use eclipse regularly, and I think that is done in SWT. > > >> > > >>> If so, what has your accessibility experience been with respect to > > >>> things such as: 1) honoring theming, > > >> > > >> I am not sure, are themes just visual, if so then I won't notice being a > > >> speech and Braille user. > > >>> 2) keyboard navigation, > > >> > > >> Key board navigation seems good. Seems to behave very much like a GTK > > >> application. I don't know whether this is that the eclipse developers > > >> have ensured this is so, as I know they have implemented many keyboard > > >> shortcuts (eg. move to problems screen, package explorer, move to > > >> console window, etc). > > >>> 3) access via Orca, > > >> > > >> Eclipse is useable, but there are occasions when it doesn't do what you > > >> might expect (I have filed some bugs against orca for some of these). > > >> Examples of problems are: > > >> When code completion is used or eclipse does some code completion for > > >> you and you are back in the edit mode (IE not in the list of > > >> suggestions) the completion is not shown in braille until something like > > >> a semicolon (;) is done or you move away and back to the line. When the > > >> code completion isn't shown, the interesting thing is that the cursor > > >> moves, but the edit marker (the $l) doesn't, so it appears the cursor > > >> has moved outside the control in Braille. If you cursor left or right > > >> through the code completion then speech tells you the character you are > > >> moving over, and the Braille cursor moves, but the control appears in > > >> Braille as before (IE showing the text upto where the code completion > > >> was done). > > >> Braille cursor routing doesn't work (certainly in the code editor, but I > > >> think in other edit areas as well). > > >> Sometimes the tree views don't always report the right thing (not sure > > >> if orca is at fault or eclipse). This problem doesn't always show > > >> itself, but when it does show itself it seems to be when the selected > > >> item is at a higher level in the tree than an item physically further up > > >> in the list (eg. if the selected item is at level 1, and if you were to > > >> press up cursor you would get to a item at level 5). > > >> I used to have a problem with Braille being updated in the eclipse > > >> console window, but I haven't seen that for sometime and my version of > > >> eclipse has been updated since the last time I saw it, so I don't know > > >> whether it was a problem caused by eclipse which might have been fixed, > > >> or if it was to do with how I was using eclipse, or if I have simply > > >> been lucky (as it was a problem which showed itself occasionally when I > > >> did find it). > > >>> etc.? > > >> > > >> I know that eclipse may not be the best example application for many > > >> reasons (eg. its size and complexity, as well as the fact that I know > > >> that eclipse developers have done work on accessibility, so may not be > > >> representative of standard accessibility). Nevertheless I hope this is > > >> useful as a start. > > >>> Will > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >> > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > >> gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > > > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > _______________________________________________ > gnome-accessibility-list mailing list > gnome-accessibility-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-accessibility-list From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Tue Aug 12 02:54:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13B777500C8 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:54:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:44:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [213.4.149.242] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qY77jvDAu8Cm for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:54:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout2.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB5B7750004 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:54:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HPVista (88.17.4.168) by ctsmtpout2.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489C69AC0033D782; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:54:50 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jonathan_Chac=F3n?= To: References: <1218345872.25679.9.camel@P4mobile> <48A07AB8.20400@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A07AB8.20400@sun.com> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:54:50 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj72j+vqCF/ZBP4QW6uD3fC7ydR4QATErSQ Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 02:54:58 -0000 =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 Enviado el: lunes, 11 de agosto de 2008 19:45 Para: Jonathan Chac=F3n CC: orca-list@gnome.org Asunto: Re: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization >Hi Jonathan: Hello Willy >I think there's a syntax error in your file where the first line of the sayTime method should be indented, but it isn't. :-( Yes, it is. I found the error after send the e-mail :-) I think I'll use bluefish instead eclipse. It is better with orca >If you want to test your file out for Python issues, you can do = something like this in the Python interpreter while you're sitting in the same directory >as orca-customizations.py: >a =3D __import__("orca-customizations") Thanks. I'll try it Regards Jonathan Chac=F3n From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 12 03:26:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54DD2750169 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:26:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3649 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wViIHsGJ-7Km for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:26:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCCEE7500D7 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:26:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7C3Qgwb004615 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:26:45 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7C3QcbD012577 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:26:38 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7C3Qcn3012575 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:26:38 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:26:38 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080812032638.GA12557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1218345872.25679.9.camel@P4mobile> <48A07AB8.20400@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8014/Tue Aug 12 00:06:02 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:26:55 -0000 On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 04:54:50AM +0200, Jonathan Chacón wrote: > Yes, it is. I found the error after send the e-mail :-) I think I'll use > bluefish instead eclipse. It is better with orca If you are using speech, Emacspeak will announce the indentation of each line in a Python file, and automatically indent the code. This is not such a problem for braille display users, but using a syntax-aware editor can still be useful in that circumstance. From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Tue Aug 12 03:36:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 471E07500C7 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:36:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:44:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [213.4.149.242] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8tBeHTpkHhMR for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:36:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout2.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3B5A750004 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:36:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HPVista (88.17.4.168) by ctsmtpout2.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489C69AC0033DDBF; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:36:06 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jonathan_Chac=F3n?= To: "'Jason White'" , References: <1218345872.25679.9.camel@P4mobile> <48A07AB8.20400@sun.com> <20080812032638.GA12557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> In-Reply-To: <20080812032638.GA12557@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 05:36:05 +0200 Message-ID: <26C63DAB43D14E92A12E06906CF789D0@HPVista> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Thread-Index: Acj8K0dLLG0W/1SAQ/CYRbZtNPhDkAAAONRg Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:36:28 -0000 =20 -----Mensaje original----- De: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] En nombre de Jason White Enviado el: martes, 12 de agosto de 2008 5:27 Para: orca-list@gnome.org Asunto: Re: [orca-list] Problems to recompile orca-customization >On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 04:54:50AM +0200, Jonathan Chac=F3n wrote: >> Yes, it is. I found the error after send the e-mail :-) I think I'll=20 >> use bluefish instead eclipse. It is better with orca >If you are using speech, Emacspeak will announce the indentation of = each line in a Python file, and automatically indent the code. Yes, you can do it with voxin too and I configured bluefish and eclipse = orca configuration file to say indentation but sometimes, when you jump = between applications with alt+tab keystroke orca forgets say indentation in = eclipse becauseof this bug I preffer bluefish for python. Regards Jonathan Chac=F3n From dave.mehler@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 03:40:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEDB875008E for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:40:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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That was great! I would like to get an alternative synth aside from Espeak, I've got dectalk, and am going to compile it in, I was then wondering what orca dependencies were needed to have it recognized? Thanks. Dave. From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 12 03:56:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CC527500C4 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:56:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3653 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id S5T4te0q1aSt for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:56:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CFF43750004 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:56:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7C3tukc006325 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:55:58 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7C3tpO2012875 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:51 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7C3tpkv012874 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:51 +1000 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:55:51 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080812035551.GA12833@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <48a1063f.9e03be0a.6250.ffff9b10@mx.google.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48a1063f.9e03be0a.6250.ffff9b10@mx.google.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8017/Tue Aug 12 02:32:22 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Installing dectalk with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 03:56:06 -0000 On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:40:45PM -0500, dave wrote: > I would like to get an alternative synth aside from Espeak, I've got > dectalk, and am going to compile it in, I was then wondering what orca > dependencies were needed to have it recognized? Gnome-speech compiled with DECTALK support. You'll probably have to specify it as a ./configure option. Try ./configure --help to find it, unless someone else on the list who has actually done this provides the details first, of course. You'll probably have to install Gnome-related development packages to compile gnome-speech, but the ./configure script should inform you about any missing library headers. From lists@digitaldarragh.com Tue Aug 12 06:06:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1EACD750050 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:06:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 6119 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c6Mifof4q1j0 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:05:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42F077500C9 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:05:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [194.125.97.232] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KSn0e-00066r-KO; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:05:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----_=_NextPart_001_01C8FC41.6FDBA70B" Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 07:05:44 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? thread-index: Acj76uWrhup9e5HqRZGP9TibHwQqZQAVnPHw References: From: "Darragh" To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 06:06:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FC41.6FDBA70B Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Janusz,=20 =20 The beauty of Linux is that no matter what you want to do, there's = always a lot of packages that will do it for you. Same goes for = administration within the context of an ISP or hosting provider. =20 =20 I've recently set up a machine to serve mail via webmail, Pop3S, Imap = and webmail, ftp, http and https, a proxy and file sharing via samba. =20 A few packages that I used for this were: procmail, for organizing mail, = fetchmail for receiving mail, postfix for providing the connectors plus = it helped managed the maildir format well and squirrelmail for providing = a webmail access method to peoples mailboxes. I also used webmin for = remote web based account administration. For http and https I used the = old reliable Apache, for the proxy I used squid with the sarg package = handling the reporting really well. There are a few other packages = running in the background also however I've not had to touch that server = in a few months now as it's up time is flawless. =20 One important thing to note is this machine is running OpenSuSE 10.3 = with no graphical environment. It has no screen and a keyboard is only = attached when something goes really wrong. Generally, when I want or = need to do something with it I access it from another box via SSH. =20 This in my experience would be the best way of administering a remote or = a local server. Even at work, where each rack of servers has a console, = we rairly go near the server rooms. Mainly because their very cold but = also, it's rair that a server should be rebooted so everything can be = done remotely.=20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com =20 From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz Chmiel Sent: 11 August 2008 20:46 To: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually impaired = towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? =20 Dear developers of Orca, =20 I would like to emphasize one big remarkable aspect of Your ammazing = project, Opensource Screen Reader, which can access Gnome applications. = This remarkable aspect is, that because Linux operating system can be = obtained free of charge, and because Orca is opensource and freely = awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired users can use their = computers for their job. I would like to start a little professional = discussion, if there is some chance, that experienced visually impaired = people could work like a server administrators for Internet service = providing companyes. For companyes, which are providing access to The = Internet by using various technology such as ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, = that somebody could theoretically try to found out, which Linux = distributions are used by server administrators for managing connections = to The Internet. If those applications are working in The terminal = Window, for example, applications, which are used by ISP companyes to = monitor ADSL modems, applications, which can for example restart cable = modem remotely, applications, which are used to monitor The status of = connection of A specific ISP customer. I think, that Java Sun company = are doing really ammazing project, which can have significant role in = The complex process, which enables visually impaired users to use their = computers for a job purposes. Because Orca is very stable Screen Reader, = I AM very nicely surprised by it. I Am aware, that my topic is may be = not good topic to write about it in to this mailing list, but I would = like to start a little discussion about possibility to enable visually = impaired users to work like fully valuable server administrators for ISP = companyes. =20 If somebody is having experience, which applications are used in The = ISP companyes for network and server administration, I would like to = know somethink about it. Eventhough I did not study informatic, and I Am = not experienced server administrator. I would like to start this little = discussion for users, who would want to work like a server = administrators. =20 Eventhough I Am not experienced professional, my opinion is, that = developers of Screen Reader, who would like to help in this field is to = develope algorithms, which are able to watch for several dynamically = changing areas of active screen. The main development complex task is I = think to develope algorithms, which could inform visually impaired = users, if some area on The Screen has changed or no. If yes, internal = cursor could automatically jump to The field, which has been changed. = Because tone is much more faster than speech, user could define which = tones would Orca or other Screen reader to play, if specific area of = screen has changed. Because it is inpossible to monitor too many areas = of A screen, which are constantly changed, user should choose The most = important of those areas. Nex complex task is to develope those = algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume too many system = resources, because system resources is important factor for ISP = companyes. I Am aware, that I Am writing somethink like a science = fiction, because it is probably inpossible to make somethink like = ofscreen model of active application like DCM compatible Screen readers = in Windows environment. But I would like to know, if there is some = chance to make functions, which could enable visually impaired users to = work like a server administrator. I think, that this topic could be = interesting for experienced professional in some of remarkable = conferences, which are focused on Screen Readers in Linux. But it is = only my personal opinion. May be, that many of us could think, that I AM = writing about non interesting topic. If so, I Am very sorry. =20 Thank you very much, that You read my E-mail. And I AM very sorry to all = of us, who are suffering because of my pour English grammar. I will do = my best to improve my grammar and spelling.=20 =20 The kindness regards. =20 Janusz Chmiel =20 =20 =20 ------_=_NextPart_001_01C8FC41.6FDBA70B Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Janusz,

 

The beauty of Linux is that no matter what you want to = do, there’s always a lot of packages that will do it for you.  = Same goes for administration within the context of an ISP or hosting = provider. 

 

I’ve recently set up a machine to serve mail via = webmail, Pop3S, Imap and webmail, ftp, http and https, a proxy and file sharing = via samba. 

A few packages that I used for this were: procmail, for organizing mail, fetchmail for receiving mail, postfix for providing the connectors plus it helped managed the maildir format well and = squirrelmail for providing a webmail access method to peoples mailboxes.  I also = used webmin for remote web based account administration.  For http and = https I used the old reliable Apache, for the proxy I used squid with the sarg = package handling the reporting really well.  There are a few other packages running in the background also however I’ve not had to touch that = server in a few months now as it’s up time is flawless.  =

One important thing to note is this machine is running = OpenSuSE 10.3 with no graphical environment.  It has no screen and a = keyboard is only attached when something goes really wrong.   Generally, = when I want or need to do something with it I access it from another box via SSH. 

This in my experience would be the best way of = administering a remote or a local server.  Even at work, where each rack of servers = has a console, we rairly go near the server rooms.  Mainly because their = very cold but also, it’s rair that a server should be rebooted so = everything can be done remotely.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh

Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation = and server support, Assistive technology support and = consultancy.

Website:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com<= o:p>

 

From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz = Chmiel
Sent: 11 August 2008 20:46
To: Orca-list@gnome.org
Subject: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually = impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP = companyes?

 

Dear developers of Orca,

 

  &= nbsp; I would like to emphasize one big remarkable aspect of Your ammazing = project, Opensource Screen Reader, which can access Gnome applications. This remarkable = aspect is, that because Linux operating system can be obtained free of charge, and = because Orca is opensource and freely awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired users can use their computers for their job. I would like to = start a little professional discussion, if there is some chance, that = experienced visually impaired people could work like a server administrators for = Internet service providing companyes. For companyes, which are providing access = to The Internet by using various technology such as ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, = that somebody could theoretically try to found out, which Linux distributions = are used by server administrators for managing connections to The = Internet. If those applications are working in The terminal Window, for example, applications, which are used by ISP companyes to monitor ADSL modems, applications, which can for example restart cable modem remotely, = applications, which are used to monitor The status of connection of A specific ISP = customer. I think, that Java Sun company are doing really ammazing project, which = can have significant role in The complex process, which enables visually = impaired users to use their computers for a job purposes. Because Orca is very = stable Screen Reader, I AM very nicely surprised by it. I Am aware, that my = topic is may be not good topic to write about it in to this mailing list, but I = would like to start a little discussion about possibility to enable visually = impaired users to work like fully valuable server administrators for ISP = companyes.

 

  &= nbsp; If somebody is having experience, which applications are used in The ISP companyes for network and server administration, I would like to know = somethink about it. Eventhough I did not study informatic, and I Am not = experienced server administrator. I would like to start this little discussion for = users, who would want to work like a server = administrators.

 

  &= nbsp; Eventhough I Am not experienced professional, my opinion is, that = developers of Screen Reader, who would like to help in this field is to develope = algorithms, which are able to watch for several dynamically changing areas of = active screen. The main development complex task is I think to develope = algorithms, which could inform visually impaired users, if some area on The Screen has = changed or no. If yes, internal cursor could automatically jump to The field, which = has been changed. Because tone is much more faster than speech, user could = define which tones would Orca or other Screen reader to play, if specific area = of screen has changed. Because it is inpossible to monitor too many areas = of A screen, which are constantly changed, user should choose The most = important of those areas. Nex complex task is to develope those algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume too many system resources, because = system resources is important factor for ISP companyes. I Am aware, that I Am = writing somethink like a science fiction, because it is probably inpossible to = make somethink like ofscreen model of active application like DCM compatible Screen = readers in Windows environment. But I would like to know, if there is some chance = to make functions, which could enable visually impaired users to work like a = server administrator. I think, that this topic could be interesting for = experienced professional in some of remarkable conferences, which are focused on = Screen Readers in Linux. But it is only my personal opinion. May be, that many = of us could think, that I AM writing about non interesting topic. If so, I Am = very sorry.

 

Thank you very much, that You read my E-mail. And I AM very sorry to all of = us, who are suffering because of my pour English grammar. I will do my best to = improve my grammar and spelling.

 

The kindness regards.

 

Janusz Chmiel

 

 

 

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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm7598375yxm.0.2008.08.12.01.30.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:30:48 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-BcH8C+qGRZQPBkrMlG4i" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 04:30:44 -0400 Message-Id: <1218529844.18855.12.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:30:59 -0000 --=-BcH8C+qGRZQPBkrMlG4i Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, A while back I had someone check the enable accessible log in box, but I didn't notice any difference. I didn't realize you had to press ctrl-s to get speech to work. So, I tried that this evening and it didn't work. So, I went through your instructions. My gdm.conf-custom file was already changed as you describe. So I assume step 2 is done as well. With step three, there was an error in your instructions. In step three you say to edit /etc/groups. This threw me off for a bit, because /etc/groups was opening as a new file. It is /etc/group I also have a question about adding gdm to the audio permissions. Do you separate it from the rest of the list with a , or a : Thanks On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:44 -0400, aerospace1028@hotmail.com wrote: > greetings, > I have written up a set of instructions documenting how I set up accessible login on my ubuntu machine. These may be of use to new users. Would it be possible for someone to review the below instructions and possibly post them to the wiki? (I'm not interested in learning to edit wiki pages quite yet.) > > thank you:-) > > > > > The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04. Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one platform to another. > > Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom: > > The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1) > > If you have not made any modifications to this file before, it will most likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, gui, greeter, chooser, debug and > > servers). > > The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =. Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file. A sample of all keys and their default values > > may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2) > > To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in the daemon section. Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two keys. > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules. > # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME > # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize > # security holes > #AddGtkModules=false > # By default, these are the accessibility modules. > #GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented. You can copy and paste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to > > gdm.conf-custom, or type them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]." Afterwards, your gdm.conf-custom file should look like: > > [daemon] > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules. > # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME > # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize > # security holes > AddGtkModules=true > # By default, these are the accessibility modules. > GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > [security] > > [xdmcp] > > [gui] > > [greeter] > > [chooser] > > [debug] > > [servers] > > Step 2: update gdm > > Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3) > > The general form of this command would be > > gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /" > > With reguards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be: > > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules" > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" > > step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions > > Now, so orca can speak durring login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound. In the /etc/groups file, locate the line starting with audio and append ",gdm" to the list if it is not already there. > > step 4: [optional] customize login functions. > > Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules." The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different > > "gestures" allowed durring login. The headers of these files should adiquately explain their modification and use. > > By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech enabled. Also, pressing and holding CTRL+m for one > > second will launch orca in magnification mode, while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification. > > NOTES: > > 1: All other documentation (including the default ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. > > 2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings. > > 3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-BcH8C+qGRZQPBkrMlG4i Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit 
Hi,
A while back I had someone check the enable accessible log in box, but I didn't notice any difference.  I didn't realize you had to press ctrl-s to get speech to work.  So, I tried that this evening and it didn't work.  So, I went through your instructions.  My gdm.conf-custom file was already changed as you describe.  So I assume step 2 is done as well.  With step three, there was an error in your instructions.
In step three you say to edit /etc/groups.  This threw me off for a bit, because /etc/groups was opening as a new file.  It is /etc/group
I also have a question about adding gdm to the audio permissions.  Do you separate it from the rest of the list with a , or a :
Thanks
On Mon, 2008-08-11 at 15:44 -0400, aerospace1028@hotmail.com wrote:

greetings,
I have written up a set of instructions documenting how I set up accessible login on my ubuntu machine.  These may be of use to new users.  Would it be possible for someone to review the below instructions and possibly post them to the wiki?  (I'm not interested in learning to edit wiki pages quite yet.)

thank you:-)




The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04.  Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one platform to another.

Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom:

The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file.  In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1)

If you have not made any modifications to this file before, it will most likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, gui, greeter, chooser, debug and 

servers).  

The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =.  Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file.  A sample of all keys and their default values 

may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2)

To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in the daemon section.  Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two keys.

# Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules.
# This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME
# accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize
# security holes
#AddGtkModules=false
# By default, these are the accessibility modules.
#GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener

To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented.  You can copy  and paste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to 

gdm.conf-custom, or type them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]."  Afterwards, your gdm.conf-custom file should look like:

[daemon]

# Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules.
# This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME
# accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize
# security holes
AddGtkModules=true
# By default, these are the accessibility modules.
GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener

[security]

[xdmcp]

[gui]

[greeter]

[chooser]

[debug]

[servers]

Step 2: update gdm

Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting.  To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3)

The general form of this command would be 

gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /"

With reguards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be:

$gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules"
$gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList"

step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions

Now, so orca can speak durring login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound.  In the /etc/groups file, locate the line starting with audio and append ",gdm" to the list if it is not already there.

step 4: [optional] customize login functions.

Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules."  The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different 

"gestures" allowed durring login.  The headers of these files should adiquately explain their modification and use.

By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech enabled.  Also, pressing and holding CTRL+m for one 

second will launch orca in magnification mode, while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification.

NOTES:

1: All other documentation (including the default ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/.

2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings.

3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message.


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You can reach it by pressing control+Orca+space from within the two apps. Note: Some keys are not assigned, but all the stuff is available, except the "graphics" one. So no reason for reinventing the wheel :-) Hermann From i.am.farhan@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 12:30:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4F2927500BF for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:30:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(v3.0.1.33) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1868187160.20080812073019@gmail.com> To: Jason White In-Reply-To: <20080812035551.GA12833@jdc.jasonjgw.net> References: <48a1063f.9e03be0a.6250.ffff9b10@mx.google.com> <20080812035551.GA12833@jdc.jasonjgw.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Farhan Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Installing dectalk with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Farhan List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:30:36 -0000 Hello what dectalk do you have, because I have dectalk version 4.6 What i had to do was exstract the tar file, and edit files.sh to point the install path to /usr. after installing dectalk I installed the gnome-speech package wich is labled gnome-speech-dectalk and this didn't work no orca support at all. I think the gnome-speech-package is broke in the repos or something failing this I ran the test application for dectalk, and that worked I install speech-dispatcher and dectalk works through that also. I didn't want to recompile gnome-speech for fear of break my sound as was mentioned on the orca wiki. I hope this helps. Farhan On 8/12/2008 at 7:26 Jason White said On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:40:45PM -0500, dave wrote: > I would like to get an alternative synth aside from Espeak, I've got > dectalk, and am going to compile it in, I was then wondering what orca > dependencies were needed to have it recognized? Gnome-speech compiled with DECTALK support. You'll probably have to specify it as a ./configure option. Try ./configure --help to find it, unless someone else on the list who has actually done this provides the details first, of course. You'll probably have to install Gnome-related development packages to compile gnome-speech, but the ./configure script should inform you about any missing library headers. _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 12 13:10:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4B9C750050 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bbc48B-vbWLb for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B69BB7500C4 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B2101F5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.1.245]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KStdi22nY-0006n4; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:10:18 +0200 From: Hermann To: orca-list@gnome.org User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:12:00 +0200 Message-ID: <878wv2cr8f.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Ebh9UzCML6CHce1ZFMuSTUmCy6+edDexFtDP qpaqiVc00p/dcFKszl64KpgRV1eaZjPLTeb+AplUNF/zucy0TV hf4WUbWqER2PHAE+jBRLg== Subject: [orca-list] [Mgr. Janusz Chmiel] Re: suggestion for adding new quick navigation keys for Mozilla Firefox WEB browser X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:10:29 -0000 --=-=-= Hello Janusz, you replied to me privately, but I guess you want to reply to the list; so I forward your mail. To reply to this list, use the "global reply" function of your mail client; it may also be called "reply to all". Hermann --=-=-= Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Disposition: inline X-From-Line: hermann Tue Aug 12 10:55:39 2008 Return-Path: Delivery-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:30 +0200 Received: from pop.1und1.de [212.227.15.178] by ip6-localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-6.3.9-rc2) for (single-drop); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:55:39 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by mx.kundenserver.de (node=mxeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKqlY-1KSpcB31Rg-0006Y7 for meinelisten@onlinehome.de; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:29 +0200 Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4B283A539 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:52:23 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1F472800D for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:26 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id 4UyTXbyzYcOI for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94EC72800B for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:26 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C0E98AC1FA for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <7132615B45474B33A200E5CA3CB82417@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Hermann" References: <48A07A62.6080808@informal.com.br> <87bpzyy63w.fsf@onlinehome.de> Subject: Re: [orca-list] suggestion for adding new quick navigation keys for Mozilla Firefox WEB browser Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:52:26 +0200 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-SpamScore: 4.2 tests= FORGED_MUA_OUTLOOK Envelope-To: meinelisten@onlinehome.de Lines: 15 Xref: grml mail.misc:2609 MIME-Version: 1.0 Ok, I Am very sorry, thank You very much for adding new navigation keys to Orca. Well done. I also would like to know, how is it possible, that Orca can read The WEB page to its internal buffer much more faster, than dynamic linked libraries written in C language when Using Windows XP. The algorithm is really very fast and reliable. Nex question. IS it possible to find out, how many RAM is used by running applications in Linux? When booting from A live CD? Is there any commandline or other utility for monitoring RAM usage by active processes? Thank You very much. --=-=-= -- --=-=-=-- From mariachiac@aim.com Tue Aug 12 13:29:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E988475006C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:29:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.143.100] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s8IuX5ZY5a3c for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:29:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m12.mail.aol.com (imo-m12.mx.aol.com [64.12.143.100]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22DD7750004 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:29:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mariachiac@aim.com by imo-m12.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id h.bf9.42e660f9 (37566) for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:29:04 -0400 (EDT) Received: from smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com [205.188.249.146]) by cia-mb04.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB043-92be48a1901fe1; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:29:03 -0400 Received: from webmail-nd04 (webmail-nd04.sim.aol.com [207.200.67.89]) by smtprly-da03.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.12) with ESMTP id MAILSMTPRLYDA034-5bbd48a1900e35d; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:28:47 -0400 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:28:47 -0400 X-MB-Message-Source: WebUI X-AOL-IP: 24.175.228.158 X-MB-Message-Type: User MIME-Version: 1.0 From: Alonzo Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed X-Mailer: AIM WebMail 38265-STANDARD Received: from 24.175.228.158 by webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com (207.200.67.89) with HTTP (WebMailUI); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:28:46 -0400 Message-Id: <8CACA967BBEE08C-F10-62A@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> Subject: [orca-list] using aim mail with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:29:16 -0000 ello Everyone, I'm currently logged into my brother's computer. I try to check my aim mail through te website, but find that orca can't click on mouse overs. I hope everyone knows what I'm speaking about. They are not links, they are just things that you click on the screen. So if anyone uses aim mail or has experiences with it I would appreciate some suggestions. I can check the boxes and hit the delete button to delete messages, button, but I can't view messages. Thanks, Alonzo From tward@usagames.us Tue Aug 12 13:50:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 103277500BF for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:50:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_BL=0.077, TW_KD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 842 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [93.189.1.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y62khXbA4AWW for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:50:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mystique.cyber-node.com (dedi84.mer-2.real-hosts.com [93.189.1.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A9D64750050 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:50:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cpe-75-187-176-177.neo.res.rr.com ([75.187.176.177] helo=[192.168.15.2]) by mystique.cyber-node.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KSuGm-0006XN-KX for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:50:40 -0400 From: Thomas Ward To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 09:50:36 -0400 Message-Id: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mystique.cyber-node.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usagames.us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:07:57 +0000 Subject: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:50:53 -0000 Hello everyone, I have ben out of the Linux loop for quite a while, and this passed Sunday I installed ubuntu 8.04 on one of my computers at home. However, I absolutely can't stand the Espeak voices that come with Ubuntu 8. What I want to do is recompile gnome-speech 04.16 with drivers for my Dectalk and Cepstral software but I am getting errors. Here is what I have done I have installed the Dectalk 5 software, installed Cepstral, and also installed Festival with the Festival dev packages. Then, I grabbed the official gnome-speech 04.16 source code from gnome.org. Before compiling I ran the following updates so I get a gnome-speech build. sudo apt-get install build-essential sudo apt-get install autoconf sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-speech sudo apt-get install festival sudo apt-get install festival-doc sudo apt-get install festival-dev sudo apt-get install festvox-kallpc16k sudo apt-get install festvox-kdlpc16k sudo apt-get install festvox-rablpc16k Under normal circomstances this is enough to get a decent build of the gnome-speech services with festival support plus I already mentioned install Cepstral and Dectalk so those dependancies are there as well. Now, I unpacked gnome-speech-04.16.tar.gz and changed to the directory. In gnome-terminal I did ./configure --prefix=/usr make The autoconf configuration part of the compile worked fine. no warnings, errors, etc. However, during the make process gnome-speech completely bombed out. The Cepstral and Dectalk, and even the festival speech servers compiled fine. However, everytime it gets to the espeak part of the compile it blows up. I would like to do one of two things. Either I would like to tell the compile to completely ignore espeak server, or I would like to have someone tell me what packages I must remove in order for gnome-speech to not see them and compile. I have tried removing the espeak package, but it still picks it up and tries compiling. So no good. I need a list of packages to remove or some command to pass to autoconf to tell it no I do not want, will not want, and please don't compile a espeak server. Thanks. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Aug 12 14:47:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C0A67500BC for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:47:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_BL=0.077, TW_KD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id veyyDp+SPXev for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:46:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 727A375010F for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:46:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7CEkriB002422 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:46:53 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5H00401SEYCN00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:46:53 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5H00FKHT211270@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:46:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 10:45:37 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Thomas Ward Message-id: <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.14 (X11/20080714) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 14:47:03 -0000 Thomas: Can you please send the errors from the compile? Will Thomas Ward wrote: > Hello everyone, > I have ben out of the Linux loop for quite a while, and this passed > Sunday I installed ubuntu 8.04 on one of my computers at home. However, > I absolutely can't stand the Espeak voices that come with Ubuntu 8. > What I want to do is recompile gnome-speech 04.16 with drivers for my > Dectalk and Cepstral software but I am getting errors. > Here is what I have done I have installed the Dectalk 5 software, > installed Cepstral, and also installed Festival with the Festival dev > packages. Then, I grabbed the official gnome-speech 04.16 source code > from gnome.org. > Before compiling I ran the following updates so I get a gnome-speech > build. > > sudo apt-get install build-essential > sudo apt-get install autoconf > sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-speech > sudo apt-get install festival > sudo apt-get install festival-doc > sudo apt-get install festival-dev > sudo apt-get install festvox-kallpc16k > sudo apt-get install festvox-kdlpc16k > sudo apt-get install festvox-rablpc16k > > Under normal circomstances this is enough to get a decent build of the > gnome-speech services with festival support plus I already mentioned > install Cepstral and Dectalk so those dependancies are there as well. > Now, I unpacked gnome-speech-04.16.tar.gz > and changed to the directory. > In gnome-terminal I did > > ./configure --prefix=/usr > make > > The autoconf configuration part of the compile worked fine. no warnings, > errors, etc. However, during the make process gnome-speech completely > bombed out. The Cepstral and Dectalk, and even the festival speech > servers compiled fine. However, everytime it gets to the espeak part of > the compile it blows up. I would like to do one of two things. Either I > would like to tell the compile to completely ignore espeak server, or I > would like to have someone tell me what packages I must remove in order > for gnome-speech to not see them and compile. I have tried removing the > espeak package, but it still picks it up and tries compiling. So no > good. I need a list of packages to remove or some command to pass to > autoconf to tell it no I do not want, will not want, and please don't > compile a espeak server. > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From andrecarioca2004@yahoo.com.br Tue Aug 12 15:23:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A404E75007A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:23:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 6.x (1) (up: 807 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [206.190.49.93] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id a7NwHMFm2MMb for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:23:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com (web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com [206.190.49.93]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 4CB29750031 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:23:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 75947 invoked by uid 60001); 12 Aug 2008 15:23:18 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com.br; h=Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Message-ID; b=XNiS4cJUVXMk1W72fcxmPN5QkwNifDsKAG1iaxqP7VMF7cxNMPzaVQUiG3z5Jn/oIW6dgfKTvngDpRQDqSpOPps7JYnU5fxj08QgHoelkpXje/0T8Ma72903IBbyuXmlH8VvPHTu5HaBWhsBizBzz36d1MYMHgX9O6i1KtE9dtQ=; Received: from [189.47.191.232] by web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:23:18 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218 Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:23:18 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Andr=E9_Carioca?= To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-ID: <415039.75380.qm@web53303.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Subject: [orca-list] help with orca preferences for firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: andrecarioca2004@yahoo.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:23:27 -0000 MSN: andrecarioca2003@terra.com.br Yahoo Messenger: andrecarioca2004 Skype: andrecarioca2006 Jabber: andrecarioca2006@jabber.org Aim: doidonautarj ICQ: 113956032Hello All I added accessibility ubuntu repository and installed speech-dispatcher, or= ca-devel and espeak. The orca version is 2.23.5. But I will ant to test the 2.23.6 version. Uninstalled the gnome-orca-devel pacage andinstall the new version. But whe= n I press control+capslook+space em my laptop in firefox windows, the orca = preferences for firefox do not open. How can I do it? cheers Andre=0A=0A=0A Novos endere=E7os, o Yahoo! que voc=EA conhece. Crie um= email novo com a sua cara @ymail.com ou @rocketmail.com.=0Ahttp://br.new.m= ail.yahoo.com/addresses From weavermicha@googlemail.com Tue Aug 12 15:27:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD31F750093 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:27:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [86.130.184.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g11sm2976084gve.8.2008.08.12.08.27.14 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:27:14 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Weaver To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:27:11 +0100 Message-Id: <1218554831.9785.10.camel@michael-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] alsa doesn't working X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:27:39 -0000 Looking at documentation on Speech-dispatcher and judging by someone's answer as regards my Orca problem it seems to be implied I should perhaps use Alsa. However I can't seem to get it working from the Sound Preferences in GNome menus when I select the Alsa in the device tab because when I press the test button Orca states some message about the device not being able to be used because of the device being used by another driver. How do I resolve this before I get speech-dispatcher configured? If it helps my laptop I am using is a Compaq Presario 140 which has had an upgrade to half a gig ram so I could install Ubuntu independently as it wouldn't do it with the original amount of memory I had with the machine. From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 15:46:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27DE175008C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:46:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.331 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.331 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_W=1.7, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.111.90] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Hq5MJe-+nxCJ for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:46:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.90]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F33875007A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:46:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLU149-W3 ([65.55.111.72]) by blu0-omc2-s15.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 08:46:08 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.175.208.219] From: To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 11:46:08 -0400 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2008 15:46:08.0587 (UTC) FILETIME=[89B5B1B0:01C8FC92] Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca-list Digest, Vol 31, Issue 26 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:46:19 -0000 > Date: Tue=2C 12 Aug 2008 04:30:44 -0400 > From: Storm Dragon=20 > Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions > To: Orca-list=20 > Message-ID:=20 > Content-Type: text/plain=3B charset=3D"us-ascii" > > Hi=2C > A while back I had someone check the enable accessible log in box=2C but = I didn't notice any difference. I didn't realize you had to press ctrl-s to= get speech to work. So=2C I tried that this evening and it didn't work. So= =2C I went through your instructions. My gdm.conf-custom file was already c= hanged as you describe. So I assume step 2 is done as well.=20 I'm not an expert=2C but if you went through the graphical method and the f= ile was modified=2C that's probably a safe assumption. However=2C running = gdmflexiserver won't hurt even if the changes are already recognized. >With step three=2C there was an error in your instructions. > In step three you say to edit /etc/groups. This threw me off for a bit=2C= because /etc/groups was opening as a new file. It is /etc/group. Sorry about that. That's why it's good to have people double-check these t= hings. > I also have a question about adding gdm to the audio permissions. Do you = separate it from the rest of the list with a =2C or a : There was already a comma (=2C) seperated list for the audio permissions in= /etc/group=2C so I appended comma gdm (=2Cgdm) to the end of the list. A special note should probably be added to point that out. Sorry about tha= t. I wasn't thinking=3B reading "=2Cgdm" with a screen-reader under most v= erbosity settings wouldn't make the comma noticeable enough. > Thanks Good luck=2C and I hope these clearifications help out:-) _________________________________________________________________ Get Windows Live and get whatever you need=2C wherever you are. Start here= . http://www.windowslive.com/default.html?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_Home_082008= From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 15:57:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A385D75007A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:57:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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The main site seems to not work. Mike From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Tue Aug 12 16:33:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B623750065 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:33:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 315 hrs), (distance 31, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 348wQV4nBDpf for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:33:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6061775007A for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:32:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [83.55.77.126] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:32:55 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 18:32:47 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c8fc99$0ff9bcc0$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: [orca-list] Network-admin and Orca question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:33:07 -0000 Hi list, OK, maybe I'm getting closer to a solution for my Wireless LAN problem (the command line way of doing it didn't work for me). When I open the network-admin program, I can open the properties of the Wireless connection. When I press tab in there, I just find a checkbox that lets me enable or disable roaming mode (whatever that is) and an OK and Cancel button. However, when I press the cabs lock key together with the num keys, I find a combo box for the network and an edit box for the WPA key. However, I have no idea how to actually get to that combo box to select a network. Can anyone tell me how to do that please? Thanks! Robin From i.am.farhan@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 16:39:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FBE7500D7 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(v3.0.1.33) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <754722136.20080812113900@gmail.com> To: Mike Reiser In-Reply-To: <48A1B2F5.6050405@gmail.com> References: <48a1063f.9e03be0a.6250.ffff9b10@mx.google.com> <20080812035551.GA12833@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <1868187160.20080812073019@gmail.com> <48A1B2F5.6050405@gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Farhan Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Installing dectalk with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Farhan List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:39:12 -0000 Hello, this is the problem. for whatever reason the store where you buy dectalk from is broken, I just happened to buy it before it went away.. NOw my question is, if I install speech-dispatcher 0.67 from source how do I get voxin to work because there is a .deb package in the voxin tar file, but its for 0.66 of speechd On 8/12/2008 at 11:36 Mike Reiser said Where can dectalk be purchased or whatever? The main site seems to not work. Mike From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 12 17:35:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22884750065 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.293 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3552 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.65] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kjKKH57C3JCy for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe11.swip.net [212.247.155.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05B3275008C for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=1qSehuVKv40A:10 a=hiXpMA1I_XYA:10 a=JdsiHRuJCnR0IMPGfgCb9g==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=yuZEYnsgL56rILVmWR4A:9 a=uu7pdliaFAoHvAD66yw7X76Ih50A:4 a=xCcRLKWatlwA:10 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=Z2S6vQYbBZQA:10 Received: from [85.226.22.63] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe11.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 866680783 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:35:38 +0200 From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:35:37 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <48A1B2F5.6050405@gmail.com> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Installing dectalk with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 17:35:49 -0000 try fonixspeech.com -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fran: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org]For Mike Reiser Skickat: den 12 augusti 2008 17:58 Till: Farhan Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org Amne: Re: [orca-list] Installing dectalk with Orca Where can dectalk be purchased or whatever? The main site seems to not work. Mike _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Tue Aug 12 19:57:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D559E750065 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:57:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -99.256 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-99.256 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, L_P0F_W=1.7, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.111.95] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IHFEMoYnbGsE for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:57:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.95]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE1ED750050 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:57:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLU149-W45 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s20.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 12:56:59 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.175.208.219] From: To: Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 15:57:00 -0400 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 12 Aug 2008 19:56:59.0704 (UTC) FILETIME=[94DFE380:01C8FCB5] Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:57:10 -0000 greetings=2C here's the modified instructions encorperating the feedback from Stormdrago= n. P.S. I apppologize for forgeting to modify the subject line when replying t= o digest mode. :-) The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04= . Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one p= latform to another. Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom: The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom conf= iguration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1) If you have not made any modifications to this file before=2C it will most = likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sectio= ns (daemon=2C security=2C xdmcp=2C gui=2C greeter=2C chooser=2C debug and s= ervers). =20 The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =3D. = Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file. A samp= le of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf=2C located= in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2) To enable accessible login=2C we only need two keys located in the daemon s= ection. Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two= keys. # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ module= s. # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to mini= mize # security holes #AddGtkModules=3Dfalse # By default=2C these are the accessibility modules. #GtkModulesList=3Dgail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselis= tener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener To enable accessible login=2C the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true= =2C and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented. You can copy and pas= te the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to gdm.conf-custom=2C or type= them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[= daemon]" and "[security]." Afterwards=2C your gdm.conf-custom file should = look like: [daemon] # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ module= s. # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to mini= mize # security holes AddGtkModules=3Dtrue # By default=2C these are the accessibility modules. GtkModulesList=3Dgail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselist= ener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener [security] [xdmcp] [gui] [greeter] [chooser] [debug] [servers] Step 2: update gdm Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To do this=2C we= use the gdmflexiserver command. (3) The general form of this command would be=20 Gdmflexiserver --command=3D"UPDATE_CONFIG /" With regards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" lis= t--both in the daemon section--the commands would be: $gdmflexiserver --command=3D"UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules" $gdmflexiserver --command=3D"UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions Now=2C so orca can speak during login=2C we need to add gdm to the approved= users of sound. In the /etc/group file=2C locate the line starting with a= udio and append "=2C gdm" to the list if it is not already there. Note tha= t there is a comma (=2C) preceding gdm. If you find that the list of group= s allowed to use audio resources is delimited by something other than a com= ma=2C you should probably conform to the pre-existing pattern. Step 4: [optional] customize login functions. Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirec= tory "modules." The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessD= wellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login. The= headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and us= e. By default=2C when activated through the steps above=2C pressing and holdin= g CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech en= abled. Also=2C pressing and holding CTRL+m for one second will launch orca= in magnification mode=2C while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held = for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification. NOTES: 1: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the u= ser to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. 2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly=2C but I would reco= mmend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings. 3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possi= ble method for reloading gdm's settings=2C but by default under Ubuntu=2C g= dm-restart provides the "command not found" message. _________________________________________________________________ Your PC=2C mobile phone=2C and online services work together like never bef= ore. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/= From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Tue Aug 12 20:41:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82CE7750065 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.444 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm8544917yxm.0.2008.08.12.13.41.11 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:41:12 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-qvZP+de0HGiAtaHa5u14" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 16:41:09 -0400 Message-Id: <1218573669.7220.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:41:24 -0000 --=-qvZP+de0HGiAtaHa5u14 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It works! I got it working. I had to restart before log in would speak. It may just be something with my computer though. If no one else has done it, I'll try and add it to the Wiki. Thanks for the instructions. Storm On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:57 -0400, aerospace1028@hotmail.com wrote: > greetings, > > here's the modified instructions encorperating the feedback from Stormdragon. > > P.S. I apppologize for forgeting to modify the subject line when replying to digest mode. > > :-) > > The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04. Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one platform to another. > > Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom: > > The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1) > > If you have not made any modifications to this file before, it will most likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, gui, greeter, chooser, debug and servers). > > The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =. Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file. A sample of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2) > > To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in the daemon section. Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two keys. > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules. > # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME > # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize > # security holes > #AddGtkModules=false > # By default, these are the accessibility modules. > #GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented. You can copy and paste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to gdm.conf-custom, or type them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]." Afterwards, your gdm.conf-custom file should look like: > > [daemon] > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules. > # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME > # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize > # security holes > AddGtkModules=true > # By default, these are the accessibility modules. > GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > [security] > > [xdmcp] > > [gui] > > [greeter] > > [chooser] > > [debug] > > [servers] > > Step 2: update gdm > > Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3) > > The general form of this command would be > > Gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /" > > With regards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be: > > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules" > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" > > Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions > > Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound. In the /etc/group file, locate the line starting with audio and append ", gdm" to the list if it is not already there. Note that there is a comma (,) preceding gdm. If you find that the list of groups allowed to use audio resources is delimited by something other than a comma, you should probably conform to the pre-existing pattern. > > Step 4: [optional] customize login functions. > > Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules." The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login. The headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and use. > > By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech enabled. Also, pressing and holding CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode, while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification. > > NOTES: > > 1: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. > > 2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings. > > 3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-qvZP+de0HGiAtaHa5u14 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit It works!  I got it working.  I had to restart before log in would speak.  It may just be something with my computer though. If no one else has done it, I'll try and add it to the Wiki.
Thanks for the instructions.
Storm
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:57 -0400, aerospace1028@hotmail.com wrote: 
greetings,

here's the modified instructions encorperating the feedback from Stormdragon.

P.S. I apppologize for forgeting to modify the subject line when replying to digest mode.

:-)

The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04.  Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one platform to another.

Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom:

The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file.  In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1)

If you have not made any modifications to this file before, it will most likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, gui, greeter, chooser, debug and servers).  

The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =.  Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file.  A sample of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2)

To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in the daemon section.  Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two keys.

# Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules.
# This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME
# accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize
# security holes
#AddGtkModules=false
# By default, these are the accessibility modules.
#GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener

To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented.  You can copy and paste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to gdm.conf-custom, or type them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]."  Afterwards, your gdm.conf-custom file should look like:

[daemon]

# Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules.
# This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME
# accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize
# security holes
AddGtkModules=true
# By default, these are the accessibility modules.
GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener

[security]

[xdmcp]

[gui]

[greeter]

[chooser]

[debug]

[servers]

Step 2: update gdm

Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting.  To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3)

The general form of this command would be 

Gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /"

With regards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be:

$gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules"
$gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList"

Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions

Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound.  In the /etc/group file, locate the line starting with audio and append ", gdm" to the list if it is not already there.  Note that there is a comma (,) preceding gdm.  If you find that the list of groups allowed to use audio resources is delimited by something other than a comma, you should probably conform to the pre-existing pattern.

Step 4: [optional] customize login functions.

Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules."  The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login.  The headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and use.

By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech enabled.  Also, pressing and holding CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode, while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification.

NOTES:

1: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/.

2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings.

3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message.


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--=-qvZP+de0HGiAtaHa5u14-- From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Tue Aug 12 20:52:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED1DC7500D2 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:52:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.946 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.946 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 320 hrs), (distance 31, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 19mIBd-vn7HG for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:52:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F3F750030 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:52:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [83.55.77.126] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:52:02 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: , Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:51:52 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c8fcbd$42bf2220$0301a8c0@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:52:15 -0000 Thanks! That's exactly what I need :-) Robin > -----Original Message----- > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org > [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] On Behalf Of > aerospace1028@hotmail.com > Sent: Tuesday, August 12, 2008 9:57 PM > To: orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions > > > > greetings, > > here's the modified instructions encorperating the feedback > from Stormdragon. > > P.S. I apppologize for forgeting to modify the subject line > when replying to digest mode. > > :-) > > The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login > under Ubuntu 8.04. Note that specific requirements and file > locations might vary from one platform to another. > > Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom: > > The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the > gdm custom configuration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 this is > located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1) > > If you have not made any modifications to this file before, > it will most likely consist of a commented header section > followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, > gui, greeter, chooser, debug and servers). > > The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration > file is =. Note that the keys must appear in the correct > section of the file. A sample of all keys and their default > values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same > directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2) > > To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in > the daemon section. Below is the text extracted from the > gdm.conf file showing the two keys. > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon > separated GTK+ modules. # This is useful for enabling > additional feature support e.g. GNOME # accessibility > framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to > minimize # security holes #AddGtkModules=false # By default, > these are the accessibility modules. > #GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdw > ellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be > set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be > uncommented. You can copy and paste the key assignments > directly from gdm.conf to gdm.conf-custom, or type them in > manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that > say "[daemon]" and "[security]." Afterwards, your > gdm.conf-custom file should look like: > > [daemon] > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon > separated GTK+ modules. # This is useful for enabling > additional feature support e.g. GNOME # accessibility > framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to > minimize # security holes AddGtkModules=true # By default, > these are the accessibility modules. > GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwe > llmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > [security] > > [xdmcp] > > [gui] > > [greeter] > > [chooser] > > [debug] > > [servers] > > Step 2: update gdm > > Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To > do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3) > > The general form of this command would be > > Gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /" > > With regards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and > "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be: > > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG > daemon/AddGtkModules" $gdmflexiserver > --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" > > Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions > > Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to > the approved users of sound. In the /etc/group file, locate > the line starting with audio and append ", gdm" to the list > if it is not already there. Note that there is a comma (,) > preceding gdm. If you find that the list of groups allowed > to use audio resources is delimited by something other than a > comma, you should probably conform to the pre-existing pattern. > > Step 4: [optional] customize login functions. > > Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom > is a subdirectory "modules." The files > modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and > modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different > "gestures" allowed during login. The headers of these files > should adequately explain their modification and use. > > By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing > and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will > launch orca with speech enabled. Also, pressing and holding > CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode, > while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one > second will launch orca with both speech and magnification. > > NOTES: > > 1: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu > help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. > > 2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but > I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference > of default settings. > > 3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is > another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by > default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not > found" message. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like > never before. http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From weavermicha@googlemail.com Tue Aug 12 20:52:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6735C750097 for ; Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:52:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [86.130.184.176]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id t2sm4258433gve.9.2008.08.12.13.52.28 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 13:52:29 -0700 (PDT) From: Michael Weaver To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 21:52:26 +0100 Message-Id: <1218574346.17416.2.camel@michael-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] problem with alsa X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:52:44 -0000 I typed that command to find out my sound devices and I got the following output which I recorded with the script command. Script started on Tue 12 Aug 2008 21:38:00 BST ]0;michael@michael-laptop: ~michael@michael-laptop:~$ aplay -l **** List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices **** card 0: I82801DBICH4 [Intel 82801DB-ICH4], device 0: Intel ICH [Intel 82801DB-ICH4] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: I82801DBICH4 [Intel 82801DB-ICH4], device 4: Intel ICH - IEC958 [Intel 82801DB-ICH4 - IEC958] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 ]0;michael@michael-laptop: ~michael@michael-laptop:~$ exit Script done on Tue 12 Aug 2008 21:39:10 BST From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Aug 13 03:42:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92B7C75008F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:42:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.444 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.444 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm1522618yxr.3.2008.08.12.20.42.20 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:42:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: aerospace1028@hotmail.com, Orca-list In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-d4aihtyoHnwbhJ5e5nWK" Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2008 23:42:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1218598935.7220.17.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:42:35 -0000 --=-d4aihtyoHnwbhJ5e5nWK Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the rough draft of what I will try to add to the Wiki if I can figure it out *grin*. Let me know if it is ok and if I made mistakes, need to make changes, etc. ------------------------------ Please read through these instructions completely before attempting them. Thanks to aerospace1028 for these instructions. These instructions are for Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy. Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file. A sample of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. To enable accessible login, we only need to add two keys to the daemon section of the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file. To select the lines you need, hold shift and press down arrow twice. Then press CTRL+c to copy them to your clipboard. The two lines you need are: GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener AddGtkModules=true When you have coppied the two lines above to your clipboard, open a terminal. Press alt-f1 to open the menu, down to enter the Applications menu. At this point, you should hear "Accessories". Press right arrow, then up arrow until you heard the word "terminal" then press enter. IN a second you should hear Orca announce that you are in a terminal. type the following: sudo vi /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom When you press enter, Orca will start reading the contents of the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file. Press escape to silence speech and to make sure you are in VI's command mode. Use down arrow to navigate through the file until you come to the line that reads: [daemon] When you find this line, press down arrow one more time to get Below it. Then, press shift i which will put you in insert mode at the very beginning of the line. Press shift-f10 to open a context menu. Use the arrow keys to move down to "paste" and press enter. The two lines you had in your clipboard will now be pasted into the file. Press escape to get out of insert mode and back into command mode. To double check your work, your /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file should now read as follows from the daemon to the security line. [daemon] GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener AddGtkModules=true [security] Don't worry if there are more or fewer blank lines in your file. It's the text that counts. When you are saticified that everything is as it should be, you need to save your changes. To do so, type the following: :wq when you press enter, VI will exit and you should hear your prompt again. Leave your terminal window open though, there's a few more things to do. You can switch between your terminal and browser window by pressing alt tab. Step 2: update gdm Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. As before there are two lines, use shift down arrow to select them and CTRL+c to copy them. The lines you need are: gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules" gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" Now, alt tab back to your terminal window and press shift-f10 and arrow down to paste. Press enter. Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound. In your terminal window, type vi/etc/group When you press enter you will once again hear Orca start to read a file. Press escape to make sure you are in command mode. Use the down arrow key to locate the line starting with audio. Listen to the line or navigate through it letter by letter (right arrow) to see if it contains ,gdm. IF it does not contain ,gdm, press shift A to enter append mode at the end of the line. Note in the next line there is a comma at the beginning. It will need to be typed exactly as shown for it to work. Type the following line exactly as shown: ,gdm Press escape to get back into command mode. Type :wq to save your changes and exit VI. By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding The following keys at the login prompt will start Orca: CTRL+s for one second will launch orca with speech. CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode. CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification. Step 4: [optional] customize login functions. Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules." The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login. The headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and use. Notes: 1: If you make a typing error while in VI, you can close the file without saving by pressing escape and typing: :q! (notice the bang! after the q) 2: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. 3: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings. 4: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message. On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:57 -0400, aerospace1028@hotmail.com wrote: > greetings, > > here's the modified instructions encorperating the feedback from Stormdragon. > > P.S. I apppologize for forgeting to modify the subject line when replying to digest mode. > > :-) > > The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04. Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one platform to another. > > Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom: > > The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file. In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1) > > If you have not made any modifications to this file before, it will most likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, gui, greeter, chooser, debug and servers). > > The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =. Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file. A sample of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2) > > To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in the daemon section. Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two keys. > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules. > # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME > # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize > # security holes > #AddGtkModules=false > # By default, these are the accessibility modules. > #GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented. You can copy and paste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to gdm.conf-custom, or type them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]." Afterwards, your gdm.conf-custom file should look like: > > [daemon] > > # Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules. > # This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME > # accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize > # security holes > AddGtkModules=true > # By default, these are the accessibility modules. > GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener > > [security] > > [xdmcp] > > [gui] > > [greeter] > > [chooser] > > [debug] > > [servers] > > Step 2: update gdm > > Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting. To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3) > > The general form of this command would be > > Gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /" > > With regards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be: > > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules" > $gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList" > > Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions > > Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound. In the /etc/group file, locate the line starting with audio and append ", gdm" to the list if it is not already there. Note that there is a comma (,) preceding gdm. If you find that the list of groups allowed to use audio resources is delimited by something other than a comma, you should probably conform to the pre-existing pattern. > > Step 4: [optional] customize login functions. > > Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules." The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login. The headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and use. > > By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech enabled. Also, pressing and holding CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode, while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification. > > NOTES: > > 1: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/. > > 2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings. > > 3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message. > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Your PC, mobile phone, and online services work together like never before. > http://clk.atdmt.com/MRT/go/108587394/direct/01/ > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-d4aihtyoHnwbhJ5e5nWK Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Here's the rough draft of what I will try to add to the Wiki if I can figure it out *grin*.  Let me know if it is ok and if I made mistakes, need to make changes, etc.
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Please read through these instructions completely before attempting them. Thanks to aerospace1028 for these instructions.  These instructions are for Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy.
Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom

The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file.  In Ubuntu 8.04 Hardy this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf.
Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file.  A sample of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom.
To enable accessible login, we only need to add two keys to the daemon section of the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file.  To select the lines you need, hold shift and press down arrow twice.  Then press CTRL+c to copy them to your clipboard.  The two lines you need are:
GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener
AddGtkModules=true
When you have coppied the two lines above to your clipboard, open a terminal.  Press alt-f1 to open the menu, down to enter the Applications menu.  At this point, you should hear "Accessories".  Press right arrow, then up arrow until you heard the word "terminal" then press enter.  IN a second you should hear Orca announce that you are in a terminal.  type the following:
sudo vi /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom
When you press enter, Orca will start reading the contents of the /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file.  Press escape to silence speech and to make sure you are in VI's command mode.  Use down arrow to navigate through the file until you come to the line that reads:
[daemon]
When you find this line, press down arrow one more time to get Below it.  Then, press shift i which will put you in insert mode at the very beginning of the line.  Press shift-f10 to open a context menu.  Use the arrow keys to move down to "paste" and press enter.  The two lines you had in your clipboard will now be pasted into the file.  Press escape to get out of insert mode and back into command mode.
To double check your work, your /etc/gdm/gdm.conf-custom file should now read as follows from the daemon to the security line.
[daemon]

GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener
AddGtkModules=true

[security]
Don't worry if there are more or fewer blank lines in your file.  It's the text that counts.  When you are saticified that everything is as it should be, you need to save your changes.  To do so, type the following:
:wq
when you press enter, VI will exit and you should hear your prompt again.  Leave your terminal window open though, there's a few more things to do.  You can switch between your terminal and browser window by pressing alt tab.

Step 2: update gdm

Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting.  To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command.  As before there are two lines, use shift down arrow to select them and CTRL+c to copy them.  The lines you need are:
gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules"
gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList"
Now, alt tab back to your terminal window and press shift-f10 and arrow down to paste.  Press enter.

Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions

Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound. In your terminal window, type
vi/etc/group
When you press enter you will once again hear Orca start to read a file.  Press escape to make sure you are in command mode. Use the down arrow key to locate the line starting with audio.  Listen to the line or navigate through it letter by letter (right arrow) to see if it contains ,gdm.  IF it does not contain ,gdm, press shift A to enter append mode at the end of the line.  Note in the next line there is a comma at the beginning.  It will need to be typed exactly as shown for it to work.  Type the following line exactly as shown:
,gdm
Press escape to get back into command mode.  Type
:wq
to save your changes and exit VI.
By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding The following keys at the login prompt will start Orca:
CTRL+s for one second will launch orca with speech.
CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode.
CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification.
Step 4: [optional] customize login functions.
Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules."  The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login.  The headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and use.
Notes:
1:  If you make a typing error while in VI, you can close the file without saving by pressing escape and typing:
:q!
(notice the bang! after the q)
2: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/.
3: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings.
4: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message.
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 15:57 -0400, aerospace1028@hotmail.com wrote: 
greetings,

here's the modified instructions encorperating the feedback from Stormdragon.

P.S. I apppologize for forgeting to modify the subject line when replying to digest mode.

:-)

The below are the steps I used to enable accessible login under Ubuntu 8.04.  Note that specific requirements and file locations might vary from one platform to another.

Step 1: edit gdm.conf-custom:

The first step is to put the appropriate definitions in the gdm custom configuration file.  In Ubuntu 8.04 this is located at /etc/gdm/gdm.conf. (1)

If you have not made any modifications to this file before, it will most likely consist of a commented header section followed by eight empty sections (daemon, security, xdmcp, gui, greeter, chooser, debug and servers).  

The general syntax for modifying the gdm custom configuration file is =.  Note that the keys must appear in the correct section of the file.  A sample of all keys and their default values may be found in gdm.conf, located in the same directory as gdm.conf-custom. (2)

To enable accessible login, we only need two keys located in the daemon section.  Below is the text extracted from the gdm.conf file showing the two keys.

# Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules.
# This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME
# accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize
# security holes
#AddGtkModules=false
# By default, these are the accessibility modules.
#GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener

To enable accessible login, the "AddGtkModules" key must be set to true, and the "GtkModulesList" key must be uncommented.  You can copy and paste the key assignments directly from gdm.conf to gdm.conf-custom, or type them in manually: just be sure to place them between the lines that say "[daemon]" and "[security]."  Afterwards, your gdm.conf-custom file should look like:

[daemon]

# Launch the greeter with an additional list of colon separated GTK+ modules.
# This is useful for enabling additional feature support e.g. GNOME
# accessibility framework. Only "trusted" modules should be allowed to minimize
# security holes
AddGtkModules=true
# By default, these are the accessibility modules.
GtkModulesList=gail:atk-bridge:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libdwellmouselistener:/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/modules/libkeymouselistener

[security]

[xdmcp]

[gui]

[greeter]

[chooser]

[debug]

[servers]

Step 2: update gdm

Now we must tell gdm about the changes we are requesting.  To do this, we use the gdmflexiserver command. (3)

The general form of this command would be 

Gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG /"

With regards with the above changes to "AddGtkModules" and "GtkModules" list--both in the daemon section--the commands would be:

$gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/AddGtkModules"
$gdmflexiserver --command="UPDATE_CONFIG daemon/GtkModulesList"

Step 3: giving the gdm group audio permissions

Now, so orca can speak during login, we need to add gdm to the approved users of sound.  In the /etc/group file, locate the line starting with audio and append ", gdm" to the list if it is not already there.  Note that there is a comma (,) preceding gdm.  If you find that the list of groups allowed to use audio resources is delimited by something other than a comma, you should probably conform to the pre-existing pattern.

Step 4: [optional] customize login functions.

Located in the same directory as gdm.conf and gdm.conf-custom is a subdirectory "modules."  The files modules/AccessKeyMouseEvents and modules/AccessDwellMouseEvents control the different "gestures" allowed during login.  The headers of these files should adequately explain their modification and use.

By default, when activated through the steps above, pressing and holding CTRL+s for one second at the login prompt will launch orca with speech enabled.  Also, pressing and holding CTRL+m for one second will launch orca in magnification mode, while the key combinations CTRL+g or CTRL+o held for one second will launch orca with both speech and magnification.

NOTES:

1: All other documentation (including the default Ubuntu help) direct the user to look for these files in /etc/X11/gdm/.

2: One may optionally modify the gdm.conf file directly, but I would recommend making a back-up for recovery and reference of default settings.

3: the gdm configuration files indicate that "gdm-restart" is another possible method for reloading gdm's settings, but by default under Ubuntu, gdm-restart provides the "command not found" message.


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It > works fine in the folder list but when I tab to the message list, it > just says not selected and I hear nothing when arrowing up and down. > How can I rectify this problem? I wonder if your default table reading is set to cell rather than row. If so, you're in a blank/empty cell. You can test this by pressing Orca +F11. If Orca announces "speak row" and everything suddenly starts working, then you can either toggle this setting as needed or you can make it the default setting for Thunderbird by pressing Orca+Control +Space while in Thunderbird. On the speech page of the Orca prefs dialog there's a radio button group called "Table Row Speech." If that doesn't solve the problem and you are using the latest Orca from trunk and the latest Thunderbird/Shredder (i.e. version 3; not version 2), let us know and we'll see what we can figure out. 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(up: 1656 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.190] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H5HK4JvSrOAk for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:52:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.190]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E186F750148 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:51:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so1005841nfi.23 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:51:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=iodSbzC8HVhvQhO/IwviwrjW9CZVbauot3FKQaiULa0=; b=mRLRH7pCv1US96Gy7cztyb7g5ODy8qgw1XrJx09EAmXqZTO357oBRnQFaiZAGnLgkZ jDBmSa2sxIro8h/2ornXknrJvun2OOo/oaJ3BiwOZvxVXclnNM9o84lhB6Lv+AbsGH97 O/H5SQVvmzpDwYoLng/2WUhDiVwUy759V5nb0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=wsTGgQCJlPjdfcYpsEbnS27BMCsscmEYrYisU4xVeZoTFEAZ3Kn+1AW3FqEaYDbzam m7idcEsDklTOWvt41pw/COoDJijtfcNHH2ntOYrzZdzv0k9yu2uP9yqy6R55nEd/M1fH c8dkLmGurBAMwurLUoYSRH4TFVFZGcs1A5/AE= Received: by 10.210.46.14 with SMTP id t14mr11686659ebt.129.1218624702534; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:51:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ricardo ( [213.22.146.185]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h7sm802974nfh.4.2008.08.13.03.51.40 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:51:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <25856CA472F94BC6984DD0A3FA3E023E@ricardo> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio_Neves?= To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:51:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Orca Problem reading some pages X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:52:52 -0000 Hi, I think orca is not able to advance down on some pages, when orca is controlling the caret. Steps to reproduce: 1. Go to http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/install/jdk/install-linux.html 2. Press h to go to the heading named "content". 3. Press down arrow to advance down on the page. Actual result: Orca announce repeatedly two links: "System Requirements" and "jdk installation instructions" and doesn't go down. It seems orca doesn't like this page, because when I press insert+right arrow to go to next object, orca goes to the top of the page. Expected result: Orca should go to the next link, which is "Installation of Self-Extracting Binary". Even I select the jeco is controlling the caret option, orca doesn't read this link, although it is able to progress on the page. I'm using orca 2.23.90pre on ubuntu 8.04. Thanks Best regards Sérgio Neves From sergionevess@gmail.com Wed Aug 13 10:58:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29A7B75012B for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 10:58:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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If not, is it hard to implement this feature? Thanks Best regards Sérgio Neves From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 13 11:03:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 934BB75008E for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:03:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FCGfoP1RhXza for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:03:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E8BA75002F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:03:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01BC4C0A for Orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:03:46 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AmwuAIBcokhV4hY/PGdsb2JhbACJMYg7AQEBAS2lHYFV Received: from c-3f16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mj4cb43de67893) ([85.226.22.63]) by ironport2.bredband.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 13:03:45 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:03:42 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <25856CA472F94BC6984DD0A3FA3E023E@ricardo> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca Problem reading some pages X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:03:55 -0000 where to find orca 2.23.90pre -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Från: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org]För Sérgio Neves Skickat: den 13 augusti 2008 12:52 Till: Orca-list@gnome.org Ämne: [orca-list] Orca Problem reading some pages Hi, I think orca is not able to advance down on some pages, when orca is controlling the caret. Steps to reproduce: 1. Go to http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/install/jdk/install-linux.html 2. Press h to go to the heading named "content". 3. Press down arrow to advance down on the page. Actual result: Orca announce repeatedly two links: "System Requirements" and "jdk installation instructions" and doesn't go down. It seems orca doesn't like this page, because when I press insert+right arrow to go to next object, orca goes to the top of the page. Expected result: Orca should go to the next link, which is "Installation of Self-Extracting Binary". Even I select the jeco is controlling the caret option, orca doesn't read this link, although it is able to progress on the page. I'm using orca 2.23.90pre on ubuntu 8.04. Thanks Best regards Sérgio Neves _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Aug 13 11:04:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BB51750083 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:04:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [24.61.92.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm93619agd.21.2008.08.13.04.04.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:04:07 -0700 (PDT) From: Joanmarie Diggs To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio?= Neves In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:04:05 -0400 Message-Id: <1218625445.7825.1.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Links to the same page X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:04:16 -0000 Hi Sérgio. > Using orca, is there any way to know if a link points to the same page? If you do a whereAmI on a focused link it should provide that information. Hope this helps. Take care. --Joanie From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Wed Aug 13 11:19:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B107500B5 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:19:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [24.61.92.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 18sm132400wry.18.2008.08.13.04.19.20 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 04:19:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Joanmarie Diggs To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio?= Neves In-Reply-To: <25856CA472F94BC6984DD0A3FA3E023E@ricardo> References: <25856CA472F94BC6984DD0A3FA3E023E@ricardo> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 07:19:17 -0400 Message-Id: <1218626357.7825.6.camel@gumby> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca Problem reading some pages X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 11:19:33 -0000 Hi Sérgio. > I think orca is not able to advance down on some pages, when orca is > controlling the caret. Confirmed. I opened a bug for your report here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547573 Thanks for your report! Take care. --Joanie From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Aug 13 12:27:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55B317500D3 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:27:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3Ny4F9L+UO7K for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:27:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 69F097500E6 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:27:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id h.bce.32a80c7b (34983); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:26:58 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.21.1.71] ([86.54.90.130]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a748a2d310f8; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:26:57 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: Alonzo In-Reply-To: <8CACA967BBEE08C-F10-62A@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CACA967BBEE08C-F10-62A@webmail-nd04.sysops.aol.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:26:55 +0100 Message-Id: <1218630415.17804.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 86.54.90.130 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] using aim mail with orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:27:12 -0000 Hello, AIM mail I must say is not the most accessible regarding their website, but I can do the basics of mail there (I generally use it through imap so don't need to use its web interface). For reading emails, I didn't realise its using mouse overs, but it appears that you can just press enter when on a check box relating to a message, and then this will open the message. I did this when having the web interface set to the "accessible" version, I believe this is the default when using firefox on Linux. I don't know whether the same applies to the standard version. Does this help you? Michael Whapples On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 09:28 -0400, Alonzo wrote: > ello Everyone, > > > > I'm currently logged into my brother's computer. I try to check my aim > mail through te website, but find that orca can't click on mouse overs. > I hope everyone knows what I'm speaking about. They are not links, they > are just things that you click on the screen. So if anyone uses aim > mail or has experiences with it I would appreciate some suggestions. I > can check the boxes and hit the delete button to delete messages, > button, but I can't view messages. > > Thanks, > Alonzo > > > From mwhapples@aim.com Wed Aug 13 12:48:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68D3B75006F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:48:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id poGSS3fiKpWa for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FC1375008E for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:48:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 9.bfe.4472b588 (37083); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:47:52 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [172.21.1.71] ([86.54.90.130]) by cia-db06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB065-90db48a2d7f75a; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 08:47:51 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: Darragh In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:43 +0100 Message-Id: <1218631663.17804.27.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-AOL-IP: 86.54.90.130 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:48:14 -0000 I would agree generally with what Darragh said, but I have a couple of questions/extra comments, find these below. On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 07:05 +0100, Darragh wrote: > Janusz,=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > The beauty of Linux is that no matter what you want to do, there=E2=80=99s > always a lot of packages that will do it for you. Same goes for > administration within the context of an ISP or hosting provider. =20 I would just like to add, generally the software for services (eg. http web server, etc) can be entirely configured using text files, so none of them should be inaccessible. >=20 > =20 >=20 > I=E2=80=99ve recently set up a machine to serve mail via webmail, Pop3S, I= map > and webmail, ftp, http and https, a proxy and file sharing via > samba. =20 You've certainly got more experience regarding servers here, all I have set up before have generally been things for personal use at home (eg. I have set up my desktop before to act as a router to my internet connection, ssh, etc), as my work is as a developer, so the nearest I have got for my work is using tomcat on my machine to test j2ee stuff. >=20 > A few packages that I used for this were: procmail, for organizing > mail, fetchmail for receiving mail, postfix for providing the > connectors plus it helped managed the maildir format well and > squirrelmail for providing a webmail access method to peoples > mailboxes. I also used webmin for remote web based account > administration. For http and https I used the old reliable Apache, > for the proxy I used squid with the sarg package handling the > reporting really well. There are a few other packages running in the > background also however I=E2=80=99ve not had to touch that server in a few > months now as it=E2=80=99s up time is flawless. =20 >=20 > One important thing to note is this machine is running OpenSuSE 10.3 > with no graphical environment. It has no screen and a keyboard is > only attached when something goes really wrong. Generally, when I > want or need to do something with it I access it from another box via > SSH. =20 I was going to say, do servers have things like gnome installed? I wouldn't have thought so, in which case things like brltty, speakup, yasr ,etc might be more suited if you actually need to use the server. I also thought it might be set so that you don't use the machine itself directly, but use it remotely via SSH, and only go to the server when physical access is actually required (eg. for hardware issues). >=20 > This in my experience would be the best way of administering a remote > or a local server. Even at work, where each rack of servers has a > console, we rairly go near the server rooms. Mainly because their > very cold but also, it=E2=80=99s rair that a server should be rebooted so > everything can be done remotely.=20 It is quite surprising how sometimes you can forget whether you are working with a remote machine when using a fast connection (particularly with speakup or another text console screen reader), it really does behave as you would expect when sitting in front of the actual machine. The only things you have to be careful of are altering anything which may affect your connection and loose it without SSH restarting automatically. Michael Whapples >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > Darragh =C3=93 H=C3=A9iligh >=20 > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server > support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. >=20 > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com >=20 > =20 >=20 > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz Chmiel > Sent: 11 August 2008 20:46 > To: Orca-list@gnome.org > Subject: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually > impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? >=20 > =20 >=20 > Dear developers of Orca, >=20 > =20 >=20 > I would like to emphasize one big remarkable aspect of Your > ammazing project, Opensource Screen Reader, which can access Gnome > applications. This remarkable aspect is, that because Linux operating > system can be obtained free of charge, and because Orca is opensource > and freely awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired users > can use their computers for their job. I would like to start a little > professional discussion, if there is some chance, that experienced > visually impaired people could work like a server administrators for > Internet service providing companyes. For companyes, which are > providing access to The Internet by using various technology such as > ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, that somebody could theoretically try to > found out, which Linux distributions are used by server administrators > for managing connections to The Internet. If those applications are > working in The terminal Window, for example, applications, which are > used by ISP companyes to monitor ADSL modems, applications, which can > for example restart cable modem remotely, applications, which are used > to monitor The status of connection of A specific ISP customer. I > think, that Java Sun company are doing really ammazing project, which > can have significant role in The complex process, which enables > visually impaired users to use their computers for a job purposes. > Because Orca is very stable Screen Reader, I AM very nicely surprised > by it. I Am aware, that my topic is may be not good topic to write > about it in to this mailing list, but I would like to start a little > discussion about possibility to enable visually impaired users to work > like fully valuable server administrators for ISP companyes. >=20 > =20 >=20 > If somebody is having experience, which applications are used in > The ISP companyes for network and server administration, I would like > to know somethink about it. Eventhough I did not study informatic, and > I Am not experienced server administrator. I would like to start this > little discussion for users, who would want to work like a server > administrators. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Eventhough I Am not experienced professional, my opinion is, that > developers of Screen Reader, who would like to help in this field is > to develope algorithms, which are able to watch for several > dynamically changing areas of active screen. The main development > complex task is I think to develope algorithms, which could inform > visually impaired users, if some area on The Screen has changed or no. > If yes, internal cursor could automatically jump to The field, which > has been changed. Because tone is much more faster than speech, user > could define which tones would Orca or other Screen reader to play, if > specific area of screen has changed. Because it is inpossible to > monitor too many areas of A screen, which are constantly changed, user > should choose The most important of those areas. Nex complex task is > to develope those algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume > too many system resources, because system resources is important > factor for ISP companyes. I Am aware, that I Am writing somethink like > a science fiction, because it is probably inpossible to make somethink > like ofscreen model of active application like DCM compatible Screen > readers in Windows environment. But I would like to know, if there is > some chance to make functions, which could enable visually impaired > users to work like a server administrator. I think, that this topic > could be interesting for experienced professional in some of > remarkable conferences, which are focused on Screen Readers in Linux. > But it is only my personal opinion. May be, that many of us could > think, that I AM writing about non interesting topic. If so, I Am very > sorry. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Thank you very much, that You read my E-mail. And I AM very sorry to > all of us, who are suffering because of my pour English grammar. I > will do my best to improve my grammar and spelling.=20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > The kindness regards. >=20 > =20 >=20 > Janusz Chmiel >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 > =20 >=20 >=20 From lists@digitaldarragh.com Wed Aug 13 13:47:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16F375002F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.739 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.739 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 13 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.235] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gXYfDRIp+cMG for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.235]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8325875013F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h28so747981wxd.9 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.10.3 with SMTP id 3mr14078059wxj.62.1218635265498; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.115.16 with HTTP; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:47:45 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8fd471eb0808130647p3e53df3fte98f8db24ed94c2@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:47:45 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Darragh_=D3_H=E9iligh?=" To: "Michael Whapples" , orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1218631663.17804.27.camel@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_96530_25359351.1218635265504" References: <1218631663.17804.27.camel@localhost> Subject: Re: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:47:58 -0000 ------=_Part_96530_25359351.1218635265504 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Michael, A few things that I do with any server I have to take ownership of are: set up a small script to check the status of sshd and networking. if their stopped then they should be restarted again. this hardly uses any of the systems resources at all and it's better to have that running in the background every few minutes than being in the horrible situation where you've just had to do something with the network and for some reason it's gone down. I also do the usual of disabling root access via SSH and ensure no one can access the server via SSH unless they have a private key file. of course though,, there's no way of completely securing a server. Even if you don't have a screen reader installed, it's helpful to have ESpeak there. At minimum you can pass the tail output of an error log to it if your standing at the server to get synthesized speech feedback. Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com 2008/8/13 Michael Whapples > I would agree generally with what Darragh said, but I have a couple of > questions/extra comments, find these below. > On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 07:05 +0100, Darragh wrote: > > Janusz, > > > > > > > > The beauty of Linux is that no matter what you want to do, there's > > always a lot of packages that will do it for you. Same goes for > > administration within the context of an ISP or hosting provider. > > I would just like to add, generally the software for services (eg. http > web server, etc) can be entirely configured using text files, so none of > them should be inaccessible. > > > > > > > > I've recently set up a machine to serve mail via webmail, Pop3S, Imap > > and webmail, ftp, http and https, a proxy and file sharing via > > samba. > > You've certainly got more experience regarding servers here, all I have > set up before have generally been things for personal use at home (eg. I > have set up my desktop before to act as a router to my internet > connection, ssh, etc), as my work is as a developer, so the nearest I > have got for my work is using tomcat on my machine to test j2ee stuff. > > > > A few packages that I used for this were: procmail, for organizing > > mail, fetchmail for receiving mail, postfix for providing the > > connectors plus it helped managed the maildir format well and > > squirrelmail for providing a webmail access method to peoples > > mailboxes. I also used webmin for remote web based account > > administration. For http and https I used the old reliable Apache, > > for the proxy I used squid with the sarg package handling the > > reporting really well. There are a few other packages running in the > > background also however I've not had to touch that server in a few > > months now as it's up time is flawless. > > > > One important thing to note is this machine is running OpenSuSE 10.3 > > with no graphical environment. It has no screen and a keyboard is > > only attached when something goes really wrong. Generally, when I > > want or need to do something with it I access it from another box via > > SSH. > > I was going to say, do servers have things like gnome installed? I > wouldn't have thought so, in which case things like brltty, speakup, > yasr ,etc might be more suited if you actually need to use the server. I > also thought it might be set so that you don't use the machine itself > directly, but use it remotely via SSH, and only go to the server when > physical access is actually required (eg. for hardware issues). > > > > This in my experience would be the best way of administering a remote > > or a local server. Even at work, where each rack of servers has a > > console, we rairly go near the server rooms. Mainly because their > > very cold but also, it's rair that a server should be rebooted so > > everything can be done remotely. > > It is quite surprising how sometimes you can forget whether you are > working with a remote machine when using a fast connection (particularly > with speakup or another text console screen reader), it really does > behave as you would expect when sitting in front of the actual machine. > The only things you have to be careful of are altering anything which > may affect your connection and loose it without SSH restarting > automatically. > > Michael Whapples > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh > > > > Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server > > support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. > > > > Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com > > > > > > > > From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > > On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz Chmiel > > Sent: 11 August 2008 20:46 > > To: Orca-list@gnome.org > > Subject: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually > > impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes? > > > > > > > > Dear developers of Orca, > > > > > > > > I would like to emphasize one big remarkable aspect of Your > > ammazing project, Opensource Screen Reader, which can access Gnome > > applications. This remarkable aspect is, that because Linux operating > > system can be obtained free of charge, and because Orca is opensource > > and freely awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired users > > can use their computers for their job. I would like to start a little > > professional discussion, if there is some chance, that experienced > > visually impaired people could work like a server administrators for > > Internet service providing companyes. For companyes, which are > > providing access to The Internet by using various technology such as > > ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, that somebody could theoretically try to > > found out, which Linux distributions are used by server administrators > > for managing connections to The Internet. If those applications are > > working in The terminal Window, for example, applications, which are > > used by ISP companyes to monitor ADSL modems, applications, which can > > for example restart cable modem remotely, applications, which are used > > to monitor The status of connection of A specific ISP customer. I > > think, that Java Sun company are doing really ammazing project, which > > can have significant role in The complex process, which enables > > visually impaired users to use their computers for a job purposes. > > Because Orca is very stable Screen Reader, I AM very nicely surprised > > by it. I Am aware, that my topic is may be not good topic to write > > about it in to this mailing list, but I would like to start a little > > discussion about possibility to enable visually impaired users to work > > like fully valuable server administrators for ISP companyes. > > > > > > > > If somebody is having experience, which applications are used in > > The ISP companyes for network and server administration, I would like > > to know somethink about it. Eventhough I did not study informatic, and > > I Am not experienced server administrator. I would like to start this > > little discussion for users, who would want to work like a server > > administrators. > > > > > > > > Eventhough I Am not experienced professional, my opinion is, that > > developers of Screen Reader, who would like to help in this field is > > to develope algorithms, which are able to watch for several > > dynamically changing areas of active screen. The main development > > complex task is I think to develope algorithms, which could inform > > visually impaired users, if some area on The Screen has changed or no. > > If yes, internal cursor could automatically jump to The field, which > > has been changed. Because tone is much more faster than speech, user > > could define which tones would Orca or other Screen reader to play, if > > specific area of screen has changed. Because it is inpossible to > > monitor too many areas of A screen, which are constantly changed, user > > should choose The most important of those areas. Nex complex task is > > to develope those algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume > > too many system resources, because system resources is important > > factor for ISP companyes. I Am aware, that I Am writing somethink like > > a science fiction, because it is probably inpossible to make somethink > > like ofscreen model of active application like DCM compatible Screen > > readers in Windows environment. But I would like to know, if there is > > some chance to make functions, which could enable visually impaired > > users to work like a server administrator. I think, that this topic > > could be interesting for experienced professional in some of > > remarkable conferences, which are focused on Screen Readers in Linux. > > But it is only my personal opinion. May be, that many of us could > > think, that I AM writing about non interesting topic. If so, I Am very > > sorry. > > > > > > > > Thank you very much, that You read my E-mail. And I AM very sorry to > > all of us, who are suffering because of my pour English grammar. I > > will do my best to improve my grammar and spelling. > > > > > > > > The kindness regards. > > > > > > > > Janusz Chmiel > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------=_Part_96530_25359351.1218635265504 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Michael,
 
A few things that I do with any server I have to take ownership of are= :
set up a small script to check the status of sshd and networking. = ; if their stopped then they should be restarted again.  this hardly u= ses any of the systems resources at all and it's better to have that ru= nning in the background every few minutes than being in the horrible situat= ion where you've just had to do something with the network and for some= reason it's gone down.
 
I also do the usual of disabling root access via SSH and ensure no one= can access the server via SSH  unless they have a private key file.&n= bsp; of course though,, there's no way of completely securing a server.=
 
Even if you don't have a screen reader installed, it's helpful= to have ESpeak there. At minimum you can pass the tail output of an error = log to it if your standing at the server to get synthesized speech feedback= . 
 
Darragh
www.digitaldarragh.com<= /div>

 
2008/8/13 Michael Whapples <= ;mwhapples@aim.com>
I would agree generally with wha= t Darragh said, but I have a couple of
questions/extra comments, find th= ese below.
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 07:05 +0100, Darragh wrote:
= > Janusz,
>
>
>
> The beauty of Linux is that no= matter what you want to do, there's
> always a lot of packages that = will do it for you.  Same goes for
> administration within the context of an ISP or hosting provider.
I would just like to add, generally the software for services (eg. = http
web server, etc) can be entirely configured using text files, so no= ne of
them should be inaccessible.
>
>
>
> I've recently set up a m= achine to serve mail via webmail, Pop3S, Imap
> and webmail, ftp, htt= p and https, a proxy and file sharing via
> samba.

You&#= 39;ve certainly got more experience regarding servers here, all I have
set up before have generally been things for personal use at home (eg. Ihave set up my desktop before to act as a router to my internet
connect= ion, ssh, etc), as my work is as a developer, so the nearest I
have got = for my work is using tomcat on my machine to test j2ee stuff.
>
> A few packages that I used for this were= : procmail, for organizing
> mail, fetchmail for receiving mail, post= fix for providing the
> connectors plus it helped managed the maildir= format well and
> squirrelmail for providing a webmail access method to peoples
> = mailboxes.  I also used webmin for remote web based account
> ad= ministration.  For http and https I used the old reliable Apache,
&= gt; for the proxy I used squid with the sarg package handling the
> reporting really well.  There are a few other packages running in= the
> background also however I've not had to touch that server in a= few
> months now as it's up time is flawless.
>
> One im= portant thing to note is this machine is running OpenSuSE 10.3
> with no graphical environment.  It has no screen and a keyboard i= s
> only attached when something goes really wrong.   Generally,= when I
> want or need to do something with it I access it from anoth= er box via
> SSH.

I was going to say, do servers have things like gnom= e installed? I
wouldn't have thought so, in which case things like b= rltty, speakup,
yasr ,etc might be more suited if you actually need to u= se the server. I
also thought it might be set so that you don't use the machine itselfdirectly, but use it remotely via SSH, and only go to the server when
= physical access is actually required (eg. for hardware issues).
>
> This in my experience would be the best = way of administering a remote
> or a local server.  Even at work= , where each rack of servers has a
> console, we rairly go near the s= erver rooms.  Mainly because their
> very cold but also, it's rair that a server should be rebooted so
&= gt; everything can be done remotely.

It is quite surprising ho= w sometimes you can forget whether you are
working with a remote machine= when using a fast connection (particularly
with speakup or another text console screen reader), it really does
beha= ve as you would expect when sitting in front of the actual machine.
The = only things you have to be careful of are altering anything which
may af= fect your connection and loose it without SSH restarting
automatically.

Michael Whapples
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Dar= ragh =D3 H=E9iligh
>
> Experienced Web development, Linux / Win= dows Workstation and server
> support, Assistive technology support and consultancy.
>
>= Website:  http://www.digitaldarragh.com
>
>
>
> From: <= a href=3D"mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org">orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces= @gnome.org]
> On Behalf Of Mgr. Janusz Chmiel
> Sent: 11 August 2008 20:46
= > To: Orca-list@gnome.org
= > Subject: [orca-list] could You do somethink to enable Visually
>= impaired towork like a server administrators for ISP companyes?
>
>
>
> Dear developers of Orca,
>
>
&g= t;
>     I would like to emphasize one big remarkable aspec= t of Your
> ammazing project, Opensource Screen Reader, which can acc= ess Gnome
> applications. This remarkable aspect is, that because Linux operating<= br>> system can be obtained free of charge, and because Orca is opensour= ce
> and freely awailable, it can mean, that many visually impaired u= sers
> can use their computers for their job. I would like to start a little<= br>> professional discussion, if there is some chance, that experienced<= br>> visually impaired people could work like a server administrators fo= r
> Internet service providing companyes. For companyes, which are
>= providing access to The Internet by using various technology such as
&g= t; ADSL, cable, ETC. I think, that somebody could theoretically try to
> found out, which Linux distributions are used by server administrators=
> for managing connections to The Internet. If those applications ar= e
> working in The terminal Window, for example, applications, which = are
> used by ISP companyes to monitor ADSL modems, applications, which can<= br>> for example restart cable modem remotely, applications, which are u= sed
> to monitor The status of connection of A specific ISP customer.= I
> think, that Java Sun company are doing really ammazing project, which<= br>> can have significant role in The complex process, which enables
= > visually impaired users to use their computers for a job purposes.
> Because Orca is very stable Screen Reader, I AM very nicely surprised<= br>> by it. I Am aware, that my topic is may be not good topic to write<= br>> about it in to this mailing list, but I would like to start a littl= e
> discussion about possibility to enable visually impaired users to work=
> like fully valuable server administrators for ISP companyes.
&g= t;
>
>
>     If somebody is having experience, = which applications are used in
> The ISP companyes for network and server administration, I would like<= br>> to know somethink about it. Eventhough I did not study informatic, = and
> I Am not experienced server administrator. I would like to star= t this
> little discussion for users, who would want to work like a server
&= gt; administrators.
>
>
>
>     Eventhoug= h I Am not experienced professional, my opinion is, that
> developers= of Screen Reader, who would like to help in this field is
> to develope algorithms, which are able to watch for several
> dy= namically changing areas of active screen. The main development
> com= plex task is I think to develope algorithms, which could inform
> vis= ually impaired users, if some area on The Screen has changed or no.
> If yes, internal cursor could automatically jump to The field, which> has been changed. Because tone is much more faster than speech, user=
> could define which tones would Orca or other Screen reader to play= , if
> specific area of screen has changed. Because it is inpossible to
&g= t; monitor too many areas of A screen, which are constantly changed, user> should choose The most important of those areas. Nex complex task is=
> to develope those algorithms so those algorithms would not to comsume<= br>> too many system resources, because system resources is important> factor for ISP companyes. I Am aware, that I Am writing somethink lik= e
> a science fiction, because it is probably inpossible to make somethink=
> like ofscreen model of active application like DCM compatible Scre= en
> readers in Windows environment. But I would like to know, if the= re is
> some chance to make functions, which could enable visually impaired> users to work like a server administrator. I think, that this topic> could be interesting for experienced professional in some of
> remarkable conferences, which are focused on Screen Readers in Linux.<= br>> But it is only my personal opinion. May be, that many of us could> think, that I AM writing about non interesting topic. If so, I Am ve= ry
> sorry.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much, that You r= ead my E-mail. And I AM very sorry to
> all of us, who are suffering = because of my pour English grammar. I
> will do my best to improve my= grammar and spelling.
>
>
>
> The kindness regards.
>
>
><= br>> Janusz Chmiel
>
>
>
>
>
>
&g= t;
>

------=_Part_96530_25359351.1218635265504-- From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Wed Aug 13 13:55:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AD077500BE for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.802 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, SARE_RMML_Stock25=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 7691 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SwhGV2-SV4m9 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AF1F75006F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E43B83AB98 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DD9CB28007 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:55:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id QuPOEJcl5x6N for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:55:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B206A28005 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:55:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id DF69D8AC21B for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:55:17 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <7E5DA1E5A8FB417F96F19D8C69E45AE5@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:55:18 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0042_01C8FD5C.FBA767D0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] pleasment for analysys The real cause of random crashes of Orca with Espeak in Ubuntu distributions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:55:26 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C8FD5C.FBA767D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear users and developers, I would like to please You, if somebody, who is really experienced = developer and have deep knowledge about Gnome, modules related to audio = drivers in Ubuntu and Aspecially about driver for Espeak in Ubuntu, if = could be done somethink so Ubuntu distribution could start be really = fully usable with Build in Espeak synthesizer. I AM aware, that users = could choose other compatible text to speech synthesizers with Orca, but = I think, that it is really very sad, that several Ubuntu distributions = are suffering because of problems with random crashes of Orca when used = Espeak synthesizer. If this problem is not specific for Ubuntu = distribution and if this issue is really related to The Espeak driver, = do You think, that it could be better to incorporate Speechdispatcher to = The Ubuntu distribution with Espeak instead of using non reliable = driver? I used Ubuntu with speech dispatcher with Espeak connected to it = or even with Festival synthesizer and all worked ammazingly. I AM = writing about this because I think, that this non stable behaviour of = Orca can undervalue whole work of Orca development team, and whole = development team of whole Ubuntu distribution, because it is complex to = use unstable Screen Reader no matter in which operating system. Sad is, = that this instability is not caused by Orca or accessibility = architecture of gnome and by complex software relationships between of = those modules. If it is too complex to debug Espeak driver, my opinion = is, that it could be really better to include speechdispatcher to Ubuntu = distribution. If it is not possible because of licensing issues, well, I = understand it. Developers of Ubuntu made much for accessibility, even Installer can = be automatically launched. One think, that I can not understand is The = reason, why Ubuntu development team stopped to include very reliable = algorithm for detecting connected braille display. This algorithm worked = ammazingly, Brltty has been ready for use with Orca. This algorithm = worked in Ubuntu feisty and Gutsi, unfortunately, somebody decided to = remove those algorithms and I do not why? Those algorithms worked = reliably and if they caused The fact, that Orca sometimes did not stard, = I think, that it could be better to disable automatic running of Orca, = users could wait and run Orca manually. If Gnome accessibility features = were enabled. If somebody know The reason, why users have to enter = parameters manually to use braille output with Orca in Ubuntu Hardy = Heron and also in newest live versions, I would lieke to know this. I = know, that The reason was probably related to reach positive targets, = but i really do not think, that it is good idea to remove reliable = automatic features. I was able to use braille with Orca just after first = boot of Ubuntu.=20 Last think, that I would like to know is, if it is allowed to modifi = Ubuntu package or no? If it is license protected project non opensource? = The kindness regards. 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Dear users and developers,
 
    I would like to = please You, if=20 somebody, who is really experienced developer and have deep knowledge = about=20 Gnome, modules related to audio drivers in Ubuntu and Aspecially about = driver=20 for Espeak in Ubuntu, if could be done somethink so Ubuntu distribution = could=20 start be really fully usable with Build in Espeak synthesizer. I AM = aware, that=20 users could choose other compatible text to speech synthesizers with = Orca, but I=20 think, that it is really very sad, that several Ubuntu distributions are = suffering because of problems with random crashes of Orca when used = Espeak=20 synthesizer. If this problem is not specific for Ubuntu distribution and = if this=20 issue is really related to The Espeak driver, do You think, that it = could be=20 better to incorporate Speechdispatcher to The Ubuntu distribution with = Espeak=20 instead of using non reliable driver? I used Ubuntu with speech = dispatcher with=20 Espeak connected to it or even with Festival synthesizer and all worked=20 ammazingly. I AM writing about this because I think, that this non = stable=20 behaviour of Orca can undervalue whole work of Orca development team, = and whole=20 development team of whole Ubuntu distribution, because it is complex to = use=20 unstable Screen Reader no matter in which operating system. Sad is, that = this=20 instability is not caused by Orca or accessibility architecture of gnome = and by=20 complex software relationships between of those modules. If it is too = complex to=20 debug Espeak driver, my opinion is, that it could be really better to = include=20 speechdispatcher to Ubuntu distribution. If it is not possible because = of=20 licensing issues, well, I understand it.
 
    Developers of Ubuntu = made much=20 for accessibility, even Installer can be automatically launched. One = think, that=20 I can not understand is The reason, why Ubuntu development team stopped = to=20 include very reliable algorithm for detecting connected braille display. = This=20 algorithm worked ammazingly, Brltty has been ready for use with Orca. = This=20 algorithm worked in Ubuntu feisty and Gutsi, unfortunately, somebody = decided to=20 remove those algorithms and I do not why? Those algorithms worked = reliably and=20 if they caused The fact, that Orca sometimes did not stard, I think, = that it=20 could be better to disable automatic running of Orca, users could wait = and run=20 Orca manually. If Gnome accessibility features were enabled. If somebody = know=20 The reason, why users have to enter parameters manually to use braille = output=20 with Orca in Ubuntu Hardy Heron and also in newest live versions, I = would lieke=20 to know this. I know, that The reason was probably related to reach = positive=20 targets, but i really do not think, that it is good idea to remove = reliable=20 automatic features. I was able to use braille with Orca just after first = boot of=20 Ubuntu.
 
Last think, that I would like to know = is, if it is=20 allowed to modifi Ubuntu package or no? If it is license protected = project non=20 opensource?
 
The kindness regards.
 
Janusz Chmiel
 
------=_NextPart_000_0042_01C8FD5C.FBA767D0-- From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 13 17:05:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB85A7500D3 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:05:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7ai6wfc88gv6 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:05:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1684D7500AA for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:05:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01BE0606 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:05:09 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Av82AGCwokhV4hY/PGdsb2JhbACIRSVHiDkBAQEBLaQygVU Received: from c-3f16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mj4cb43de67893) ([85.226.22.63]) by ironport1.bredband.com with SMTP; 13 Aug 2008 19:05:09 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:05:07 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080813-0, 2008-08-13), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] opensuse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:05:19 -0000 ok now i have my braille working in opensuse but how to get it working in orca that seems brltty-x11 not are on the live cd From tward@usagames.us Wed Aug 13 17:36:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4E92675006F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:36:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.171 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.171 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=0.274, TW_BL=0.077, TW_KD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1120 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [93.189.1.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gDfMUD7Vzeuq for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:36:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mystique.cyber-node.com (dedi84.mer-2.real-hosts.com [93.189.1.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61E0F7500AA for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:36:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cpe-75-187-176-177.neo.res.rr.com ([75.187.176.177] helo=[192.168.15.2]) by mystique.cyber-node.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTKGc-0004qb-MV for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:36:15 -0400 Message-ID: <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:36:15 -0400 From: Thomas Ward User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mystique.cyber-node.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usagames.us X-Mailman-Approved-At: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:02:16 +0000 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:36:40 -0000 Hi, Here is the part where espeak gets compiled and itseams to be complaining about some missing prototypes or something. Here is the output. Making all in espeak make[3]: Entering directory `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16/drivers/espeak' gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I../.. -I../../gnome-speech -DORBIT2=1 -pthread -I/usr/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include -I/usr/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/include/libbonobo-2.0 -Wall -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare -I/usr/include/espeak -g -O2 -MT espeaksynthesisdriver.o -MD -MP -MF .deps/espeaksynthesisdriver.Tpo -c -o espeaksynthesisdriver.o espeaksynthesisdriver.c make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16/drivers/espeak' make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16/drivers' make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16' Willie Walker wrote: > Thomas: > > Can you please send the errors from the compile? > > Will > > Thomas Ward wrote: >> Hello everyone, >> I have ben out of the Linux loop for quite a while, and this passed >> Sunday I installed ubuntu 8.04 on one of my computers at home. However, >> I absolutely can't stand the Espeak voices that come with Ubuntu 8. >> What I want to do is recompile gnome-speech 04.16 with drivers for my >> Dectalk and Cepstral software but I am getting errors. >> Here is what I have done I have installed the Dectalk 5 software, >> installed Cepstral, and also installed Festival with the Festival dev >> packages. Then, I grabbed the official gnome-speech 04.16 source code >> from gnome.org. >> Before compiling I ran the following updates so I get a gnome-speech >> build. >> >> sudo apt-get install build-essential >> sudo apt-get install autoconf >> sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-speech >> sudo apt-get install festival >> sudo apt-get install festival-doc >> sudo apt-get install festival-dev >> sudo apt-get install festvox-kallpc16k >> sudo apt-get install festvox-kdlpc16k >> sudo apt-get install festvox-rablpc16k >> >> Under normal circomstances this is enough to get a decent build of the >> gnome-speech services with festival support plus I already mentioned >> install Cepstral and Dectalk so those dependancies are there as well. >> Now, I unpacked gnome-speech-04.16.tar.gz >> and changed to the directory. >> In gnome-terminal I did >> >> ./configure --prefix=/usr >> make >> >> The autoconf configuration part of the compile worked fine. no warnings, >> errors, etc. However, during the make process gnome-speech completely >> bombed out. The Cepstral and Dectalk, and even the festival speech >> servers compiled fine. However, everytime it gets to the espeak part of >> the compile it blows up. I would like to do one of two things. Either I >> would like to tell the compile to completely ignore espeak server, or I >> would like to have someone tell me what packages I must remove in order >> for gnome-speech to not see them and compile. I have tried removing the >> espeak package, but it still picks it up and tries compiling. So no >> good. I need a list of packages to remove or some command to pass to >> autoconf to tell it no I do not want, will not want, and please don't >> compile a espeak server. >> Thanks. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 13 18:20:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56AB5750150 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:20:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -5.413 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-5.413 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_BG=0.077, TW_BL=0.077, TW_KD=0.077, URIBL_BLACK=1.955] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TCY8ees-wJXi for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:20:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9D0A750097 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:20:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7DIKhuV008366 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:20:43 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5J00I01UOXGK00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:20:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5J0032GXM17H70@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 12:20:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:19:10 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Thomas Ward Message-id: <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:20:55 -0000 Odd. Looks fine to me. The missing-prototype thing you're seeing is a switch being sent to the compiler. I'd suggest trying gnome-speech-0.4.21, thhough: http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-speech/0.4/gnome-speech-0.4.21.tar.bz2 Here's a summary of the changes from 0.4.16 to 0.4.21: gnome-speech 0.4.17: * Fix for bug 503058 - Swift driver build failure on Solaris. With this fix, Cepstral/Swift works on Solaris Express Community Edition build 79. gnome-speech 0.4.18: * Fix for bug 508439 - Gnome speech Espeak driver will not compile with Espeak 1.30 (Thanks David Csercsics!!) gnome-speech 0.4.19: * configure.in: be smarter about automatically finding espeak * drivers/espeak/Makefile.am: remove libstdc++. It is not needed and makes the Solaris build fail. gnome-speech 0.4.20: * drivers/espeak/*: fix for bug 535493 - eSpeak driver can block. The fix adds a list mechanism to handle utterances to be spoken and then processes them on the gidle thread. Also raised the maximum speech rate for eSpeak. gnome-speech 0.4.21: * drivers/espeak/espeaksynthesisdriver.c: fix for bug #545896 - eSpeak segmentation fault. After you compile/install, I'd also suggest running test-speech to make sure the speech stuff works. As a note of warning, in Intrepid, Ubuntu has wrapped the synthesis drivers in shell scripts that then execute the binary. So, it might be that your build blew away the shell scripts that were in place. In particular, I believe the pattern Ubuntu uses is something like this: 1) The gnome-speech drivers are named /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver, where the * is one of espeak, festival, etc. This is what bonobo looks for. 2) Ubuntu moves the /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver binaries to /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver.bin. It then creates /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver shell scripts that call the *.bin files. The build/install of gnome-speech is going to blow away the /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver files. Having said all that, I think "sudo apt-get install libgnome-speech7" package should get you all you want without needing to build gnome-speech from sources. As a final note of warning, Linux audio sucks and it's especially flakey on Ubuntu Intrepid these days. Will Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi, > Here is the part where espeak gets compiled and itseams to be > complaining about some missing prototypes or something. Here is the output. > > Making all in espeak > make[3]: Entering directory > `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16/drivers/espeak' > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I../.. -I../.. -I../.. -I../../gnome-speech > -DORBIT2=1 -pthread -I/usr/include/bonobo-activation-2.0 > -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include > -I/usr/include/orbit-2.0 -I/usr/include/libbonobo-2.0 -Wall > -Wmissing-prototypes -Wnested-externs -Wpointer-arith -Wno-sign-compare > -I/usr/include/espeak -g -O2 -MT espeaksynthesisdriver.o -MD -MP -MF > .deps/espeaksynthesisdriver.Tpo -c -o espeaksynthesisdriver.o > espeaksynthesisdriver.c > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16/drivers/espeak' > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16/drivers' > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/thomas/speech/gnome-speech-0.4.16' > > > Willie Walker wrote: >> Thomas: >> >> Can you please send the errors from the compile? >> >> Will >> >> Thomas Ward wrote: >>> Hello everyone, >>> I have ben out of the Linux loop for quite a while, and this passed >>> Sunday I installed ubuntu 8.04 on one of my computers at home. However, >>> I absolutely can't stand the Espeak voices that come with Ubuntu 8. >>> What I want to do is recompile gnome-speech 04.16 with drivers for my >>> Dectalk and Cepstral software but I am getting errors. >>> Here is what I have done I have installed the Dectalk 5 software, >>> installed Cepstral, and also installed Festival with the Festival dev >>> packages. Then, I grabbed the official gnome-speech 04.16 source code >>> from gnome.org. >>> Before compiling I ran the following updates so I get a gnome-speech >>> build. >>> >>> sudo apt-get install build-essential >>> sudo apt-get install autoconf >>> sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-speech >>> sudo apt-get install festival >>> sudo apt-get install festival-doc >>> sudo apt-get install festival-dev >>> sudo apt-get install festvox-kallpc16k >>> sudo apt-get install festvox-kdlpc16k >>> sudo apt-get install festvox-rablpc16k >>> >>> Under normal circomstances this is enough to get a decent build of the >>> gnome-speech services with festival support plus I already mentioned >>> install Cepstral and Dectalk so those dependancies are there as well. >>> Now, I unpacked gnome-speech-04.16.tar.gz >>> and changed to the directory. >>> In gnome-terminal I did >>> >>> ./configure --prefix=/usr >>> make >>> >>> The autoconf configuration part of the compile worked fine. no warnings, >>> errors, etc. However, during the make process gnome-speech completely >>> bombed out. The Cepstral and Dectalk, and even the festival speech >>> servers compiled fine. However, everytime it gets to the espeak part of >>> the compile it blows up. I would like to do one of two things. Either I >>> would like to tell the compile to completely ignore espeak server, or I >>> would like to have someone tell me what packages I must remove in order >>> for gnome-speech to not see them and compile. I have tried removing the >>> espeak package, but it still picks it up and tries compiling. So no >>> good. I need a list of packages to remove or some command to pass to >>> autoconf to tell it no I do not want, will not want, and please don't >>> compile a espeak server. >>> Thanks. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From kb8aey@verizon.net Wed Aug 13 18:35:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9ADC275002F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:35:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.466 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.466 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.533, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 1824 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NyQhRPazEXGl for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:35:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C522F750066 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:35:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5J00AHXYAGLB10@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:35:06 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K5J00AHZYAHLB10@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] can orca be made to work with dosemu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 18:35:19 -0000 Hi, some time ago Orca use to work with dosemu. I think this was in feisty, but it may have been it the edgy ubuntu release. Anyway, it no longer works. Since there are still some people who use dos for playing text games and so on. Is there any way Orca could be made to work with dosemu again. Or is there another dos emulator that someone knows of that does work with Orca? Thanks Mike. From lists@digitaldarragh.com Wed Aug 13 19:39:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67B3A7500DB for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:39:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 6494 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Y2NJqYYfHwkw for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:38:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4617D75012B for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:38:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [78.16.195.81] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KTMAi-0001Cf-4X; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:38:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:38:33 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <38243D17FFD34FF68F1BE23CD86B3273@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: [orca-list] opensuse thread-index: Acj9dN01XGsbRU8qT1WOOMC+m8tUEwABzniA References: <38243D17FFD34FF68F1BE23CD86B3273@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: "mattias" , X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: Re: [orca-list] opensuse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:39:07 -0000 That's one I cant help you with at the moment. I think you need to = recompile BRLTTY from source with gnome-speech support. I cant remember = though as it's a while since I've done that.=20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh Experienced Web development, Linux / Windows Workstation and server = support, Assistive technology support and consultancy. Call +353(0)87-767-0464 Email: d@digitaldarragh.com Website: http://www.digitaldarragh.com -----Original Message----- From: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] = On Behalf Of mattias Sent: 13 August 2008 19:46 To: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] opensuse ok now i have my braille working in opensuse but how to get it working in orca that seems brltty-x11 not are on the live cd _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From alastair.irving@sjc.ox.ac.uk Wed Aug 13 19:43:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 982A2750097 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 1532 hrs), (distance 23, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [163.1.2.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id s74YB+xjYQu0 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay2.mail.ox.ac.uk (relay2.mail.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32E2A750089 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.207]) by relay2.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTMFY-0003Oj-8q for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:43:16 +0100 Received: from host81-132-2-96.range81-132.btcentralplus.com ([81.132.2.96] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by smtp1.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTMFY-0007fA-4G for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:43:16 +0100 Message-ID: <48A3393F.9010508@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:42:55 +0100 From: Alastair Irving User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/2008050714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: sjoh2519 Subject: [orca-list] Looking for suggestions on how to integrate orca with LaTeX-access scripts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:25 -0000 Hi All As I work with a lot of LaTeX, I wrote some python scripts which take a line of LaTeX as input and output a translation into nemeth braille and english speech; the idea being that one can get a realtime translation whilst editting a document. I currently have these working with jaws under windows but am very keen for orca support and was wondering what the best way would be to write an orca script to accomplish this? So far, my only idea is to overwrite the Speech and Braille generators for a given application. Is this the best way forward? I'm a competent python programmer but don't know a great deal about the internals of orca, so any advice will be useful. Many Thanks Alastair Irving From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 13 20:01:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F3F7500D3 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:01:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nwesQuexwoRg for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:01:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B2275008F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:01:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7DK18ox023208 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:01:08 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5K0010110YYK00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:01:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5K00B1B29U3P10@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 14:01:06 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:59:51 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A3393F.9010508@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Alastair Irving Message-id: <48A33D37.9010806@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A3393F.9010508@sjc.ox.ac.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Looking for suggestions on how to integrate orca with LaTeX-access scripts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:01:18 -0000 Hi Alastair: Interesting. :-) What's the interaction model for this? For example, how do you specify the line of text? Would you edit in something such as gedit and then press a key to have the current line interpreted, spoken, and brailled? Will Alastair Irving wrote: > Hi All > > As I work with a lot of LaTeX, I wrote some python scripts which take a > line of LaTeX as input and output a translation into nemeth braille and > english speech; the idea being that one can get a realtime translation > whilst editting a document. I currently have these working with jaws > under windows but am very keen for orca support and was wondering what > the best way would be to write an orca script to accomplish this? > > So far, my only idea is to overwrite the Speech and Braille generators > for a given application. Is this the best way forward? > > I'm a competent python programmer but don't know a great deal about the > internals of orca, so any advice will be useful. > > Many Thanks > > Alastair Irving > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From spangler.robert@gmail.com Wed Aug 13 20:44:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E44B750066 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:44:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h20sm2811939wxd.22.2008.08.13.13.44.41 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 13:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A34796.70305@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:44:06 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080812033847) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Open Office with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:44:56 -0000 Hello all, Regarding Thunderbird: I got it working - it was indeed the table thing. I had it set only to read the current cell instead of the line. I am composing this email with Thunderbird. Now - when I go to install Open Office from my distributions repository, it gives me the option of installing the stable 2.4.x version of OO, 3.0 Beta, or 3.0 Devel. As regards accessibility with Orca, which is best? I went ahead and installed the stable one for now, and it seems to work well but figured, as with most other packages, accessibility will be better with the bleeding edge. Thanks all, Robby From alastair.irving@sjc.ox.ac.uk Wed Aug 13 21:19:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D9C77500BF for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:19:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 1554 hrs), (distance 23, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [163.1.2.169] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2SmY5PUlTT02 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay9.mail.ox.ac.uk (relay9.mail.ox.ac.uk [163.1.2.169]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA40D75002F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:19:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.mail.ox.ac.uk ([129.67.1.207]) by relay9.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTNks-0001YY-U0 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:19:42 +0100 Received: from host81-132-2-96.range81-132.btcentralplus.com ([81.132.2.96] helo=[192.168.1.3]) by smtp1.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTNks-0008E1-3L for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:19:42 +0100 Message-ID: <48A34FD9.9060607@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:19:21 +0100 From: Alastair Irving User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a1 (X11/2008050714) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <48A3393F.9010508@sjc.ox.ac.uk> <48A33D37.9010806@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A33D37.9010806@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: sjoh2519 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Looking for suggestions on how to integrate orca with LaTeX-access scripts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 21:19:55 -0000 I'd prefer it to be more automated; ie have a key to toggle the translation on and off and then if its on automatically speak and braille the translated line as you navigate a document, (so if the translation is enabled you don't notice the actual line of LaTeX at all). This suggests I need to overide the mechanism for speaking and brailling the current line in an editor. Many thanks Alastair Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Alastair: > > Interesting. :-) What's the interaction model for this? For example, how > do you specify the line of text? Would you edit in something such as > gedit and then press a key to have the current line interpreted, spoken, > and brailled? > > Will > > Alastair Irving wrote: >> Hi All >> >> As I work with a lot of LaTeX, I wrote some python scripts which take >> a line of LaTeX as input and output a translation into nemeth braille >> and english speech; the idea being that one can get a realtime >> translation whilst editting a document. I currently have these working >> with jaws under windows but am very keen for orca support and was >> wondering what the best way would be to write an orca script to >> accomplish this? >> >> So far, my only idea is to overwrite the Speech and Braille generators >> for a given application. Is this the best way forward? >> >> I'm a competent python programmer but don't know a great deal about >> the internals of orca, so any advice will be useful. >> >> Many Thanks >> >> Alastair Irving >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Wed Aug 13 22:02:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBE2C750097 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:02:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 345 hrs), (distance 32, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HESLeB-J-g2Q for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:02:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from server.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBBE750102 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:02:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [83.55.63.16] by server.robin-kipp.de with SMTP (EHLO Laptop) (ArGoSoft Mail Server Pro for WinNT/2000/XP, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.3)); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:02:26 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:02:16 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c8fd90$42163a10$b2ebfea9@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-ArGoMail-Authenticated: webmaster@robin-kipp.de Subject: [orca-list] Hardware synthesicer with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:02:38 -0000 Hi list, Just wondering, is it possible to make a hardware synthesicer that is connected to the computer via the serial interface work with Orca? I still have an old Infovox synth here which I'm using under Windows to make it sing and stuff, so would like to know if it's possible to make it work with orca if anyone here knows that. Thanks! Robin From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Aug 13 23:01:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B624E75013A for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:01:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5148 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.18] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BifGpoZ1ZXxX for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:01:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1197E750102 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:01:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so1443144gxk.15 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:01:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=VMoJV7wpEYTJCvmYvZ7je8scNGaA6noZgbtV48D9Y8A=; b=T7hz6BsjKvGmBaE8cDDFYUqVqVbue4idxxekaiTGrf/njxVml4LB9ewjNHSdD4aWqz NvsVmnBr46hiyMmJNOrPBxgzbYI8ZEI6p5BXCUp3jji4sH43tfph5KpF0kZ4+C7wAPhp RP0hb2V3r6iOPcCCcrpgrbpuWwN02TIakYUvA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=DtPspmT3tCbzvBJz0pceNmwJTo92nlOZjuqwTFRTCE5SQQstCFMGUI2OpEtCHfLDKF pvDLmjt+qq09Qj4gm5HANqhuEAIQjb4tCHhnPdOUNBdhuvGJnLZOCOua0Ad+c0vFs01R MC/SiTVmm2Ghx2PVY32UccsBFfDA51TPX4ReA= Received: by 10.150.182.16 with SMTP id e16mr587031ybf.180.1218668509952; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 33sm1014054yxr.3.2008.08.13.16.01.49 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 16:01:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-qtskLMU1Am877g3fCw16" Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:01:45 -0400 Message-Id: <1218668505.22823.5.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Help with the Wiki X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:02:00 -0000 --=-qtskLMU1Am877g3fCw16 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, I am not sure what went wrong, but I think I broke the page. Here's the page I edited. http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin#preview Can someone with a little more experience fix it...Please Also, if you have the time, let me know what I did wrong? I read through the instructions, but I must have not gotten something right. Thanks, and sorry for breaking it. --=-qtskLMU1Am877g3fCw16 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
I am not sure what went wrong, but I think I broke the page.  Here's the page I edited.
http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin#preview
Can someone with a little more experience fix it...Please
Also, if you have the time, let me know what I did wrong?  I read through the instructions, but I must have  not gotten something right.
Thanks, and sorry for breaking it.

--=-qtskLMU1Am877g3fCw16-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 13 23:45:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4AB58750195 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:45:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xHRvRsdBZ8wl for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:45:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F41675016F for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:44:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7DNiX5d023064 for ; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:44:33 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5K00A01CHMHP00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:33 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5K00CA6CM7BRF0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 17:44:32 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 19:43:16 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1218668505.22823.5.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Storm Dragon Message-id: <48A37194.7010401@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218668505.22823.5.camel@stormdragon-laptop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help with the Wiki X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:45:51 -0000 Hey! Thanks for adding the info -- you put it in the right spot and basically did everything pretty correctly. I updated it for you. Take a look at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin. Thanks for your hard work! Will Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > I am not sure what went wrong, but I think I broke the page. Here's the > page I edited. > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleLogin#preview > Can someone with a little more experience fix it...Please > Also, if you have the time, let me know what I did wrong? I read > through the instructions, but I must have not gotten something right. > Thanks, and sorry for breaking it. > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From tward@usagames.us Thu Aug 14 00:18:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C22E37500D3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:18:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.622 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.622 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24=2.189, TW_BG=0.077, URIBL_BLACK=1.955] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1187 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [93.189.1.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id YP0K8oH8CD+S for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:18:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mystique.cyber-node.com (dedi84.mer-2.real-hosts.com [93.189.1.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E096750091 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:18:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cpe-75-187-176-177.neo.res.rr.com ([75.187.176.177] helo=[192.168.15.2]) by mystique.cyber-node.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTQY1-0000Yj-I9 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 20:18:37 -0400 Message-ID: <48A4CB59.2040300@usagames.us> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:18:33 -0400 From: Thomas Ward User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mystique.cyber-node.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usagames.us Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 00:18:54 -0000 Hi Will, I took your suggestion, and grabbed the gnome-speech 04.21 sources and compiled them. The speech servers compiled and installed fine. However, for some reason I don't understand neither the Cepstral Swift voices or Dectalk is talking to me via the test-speech utility. When I test Callie with swift I am able to get her talking just fine. With Dectalk running the say utility also works. However, when I try to run them via test-speech it says server couldn't be loaded and the error was unknown. Now, one thing about Cepstral that may have something to do with this when installing Callie it said something about adding some lines to ld.so.conf. What lines I am suppose to add I am not sure because that text flew right passed me, and when I tried to read it with Orca it had scrolled off the screen. I think, but am not completely certain of this, it was asking me to put the libs on the path like /opt/swift/lib in /etc/ld/so/conf? Just for future reference I am running Ubuntu 8.04 which was released last April with on a few updates installed. I just installed it over the week end, and haven't really had the time to do a lot of upgrades, updates, etc to it yet. One final note I did install Cepstral Callie 5.1 to the default location/opt/swift. I'm not sure why gnome-speech is unable to initialize it. Any ideas here how to resolve this? Thanks. Willie Walker wrote: > Odd. Looks fine to me. The missing-prototype thing you're seeing is > a switch being sent to the compiler. I'd suggest trying > gnome-speech-0.4.21, thhough: > > http://ftp.gnome.org/pub/gnome/sources/gnome-speech/0.4/gnome-speech-0.4.21.tar.bz2 > > > Here's a summary of the changes from 0.4.16 to 0.4.21: > > gnome-speech 0.4.17: > > * Fix for bug 503058 - Swift driver build failure on Solaris. With > this fix, Cepstral/Swift works on Solaris Express Community Edition > build 79. > > gnome-speech 0.4.18: > > * Fix for bug 508439 - Gnome speech Espeak driver will not compile > with Espeak 1.30 (Thanks David Csercsics!!) > > gnome-speech 0.4.19: > > * configure.in: be smarter about automatically finding espeak > > * drivers/espeak/Makefile.am: remove libstdc++. It is not needed > and makes the Solaris build fail. > > gnome-speech 0.4.20: > > * drivers/espeak/*: fix for bug 535493 - eSpeak driver can > block. The fix adds a list mechanism to handle utterances > to be spoken and then processes them on the gidle thread. > Also raised the maximum speech rate for eSpeak. > > gnome-speech 0.4.21: > > * drivers/espeak/espeaksynthesisdriver.c: fix for bug #545896 - eSpeak > segmentation fault. > > After you compile/install, I'd also suggest running test-speech to > make sure the speech stuff works. > > As a note of warning, in Intrepid, Ubuntu has wrapped the synthesis > drivers in shell scripts that then execute the binary. So, it might > be that your build blew away the shell scripts that were in place. In > particular, I believe the pattern Ubuntu uses is something like this: > > 1) The gnome-speech drivers are named /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver, > where the * is one of espeak, festival, etc. This is what bonobo > looks for. > > 2) Ubuntu moves the /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver binaries to > /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver.bin. It then creates > /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver shell scripts that call the *.bin files. > > The build/install of gnome-speech is going to blow away the > /usr/bin/*-synthesis-driver files. > > Having said all that, I think "sudo apt-get install libgnome-speech7" > package should get you all you want without needing to build > gnome-speech from sources. > > As a final note of warning, Linux audio sucks and it's especially > flakey on Ubuntu Intrepid these days. > > Will From jbsn@tpg.com.au Thu Aug 14 02:19:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72E2F750089 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:19:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:216:1:60:M1460, S, T, N, W7:.:?:?] (up: 7575 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [203.12.160.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iZf2D+Gxfvtn for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:19:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC970750097 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:19:15 +0000 (GMT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from arnold (60-240-255-203.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.255.203]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from jbsn@tpg.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7E2JAml000567 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:19:12 +1000 Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:21:32 +1000 From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson To: mike Message-ID: <20080814022132.GD4418@arnold> References: <0K5J00AHZYAHLB10@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0K5J00AHZYAHLB10@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] can orca be made to work with dosemu? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:19:21 -0000 On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 01:35:06PM -0500, mike wrote: > Hi, some time ago Orca use to work with dosemu. I think this was in feisty, but it may have been it the edgy ubuntu release. > Anyway, it no longer works. Since there are still some people who use dos for playing text games and so on. Is there any way Orca could be made to work with dosemu again. Or is there another dos emulator that someone knows of that does work with Orca? > Thanks Mike. Why not run it in a text console? Bertil From kb8aey@verizon.net Thu Aug 14 03:24:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1ACAB75007C for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:24:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.79 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.79 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.809, BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 1833 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id X8+zyLkpWjMC for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:24:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173001pub.verizon.net (vms173001pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DA9B7500D6 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:24:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5K00A2RMSSKQS1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:24:29 -0500 (CDT) Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2008 22:24:29 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms173001.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K5K00A2SMSSKQS1@vms173001.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] does anyone know of a mini distuibution that includes orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 03:24:50 -0000 Hi, does anyone know of a mini distribution of a linux live cd that includes orca? I don't know if this is possible since the small cd is 210 mb, but it would be very handy if this is possible. Thanks for any info, Mike. From lists@digitaldarragh.com Thu Aug 14 06:06:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5A077500DB for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:06:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 6599 hrs), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [81.17.252.70] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DLYvNLefg6NJ for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:06:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from iseult.blacknight.ie (iseult.blacknight.ie [81.17.252.70]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56157750087 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.122.222.25] (helo=digitaldarragh.com) by iseult.blacknight.ie with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KTVyS-00068y-Kc for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-class: urn:content-classes:message Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:06:09 +0100 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft Exchange V6.5.7235.2 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <495B67BB0ED14523A862A9ED45BA83C0@digitaldarragh.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: OpenOffice dialogues thread-index: Acj9h5/gASgRWfauT8yLG4yksjdxXQATCx3A References: <495B67BB0ED14523A862A9ED45BA83C0@digitaldarragh.local> From: "Darragh" To: X-blacknight-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-blacknight-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-blacknight-MailScanner-From: lists@digitaldarragh.com Subject: [orca-list] OpenOffice dialogues X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:06:41 -0000 Greetings all,=20 I actually came across something I don't remember seing before yesterday = while using OpenOffice in Fedora 9. =20 The dialogues were not reading correctly. For example: when I finished = using the spell checker, the dialogue to say the usual success message = didn't read. The ok button was there but nothing else. =20 I may have set up the java-access-bridge in other installations as it's = something I generally do at the start however I've not done it in Fedora = as I assumed it was no longer an accessibility related dependency. Am I = incorrect? Is this just something that's cropped up as a new bug or has = it been there all the time. =20 I should add that although I've found the spell checker reasonably = accessible, it's far from usable. Please Please Please could something = be done with this? Again, if I'm missing some vital key strokes please = feel free to stone me or something equally as painfull. However, if = keystrokes are available, the speech provided by Orca should be = customised so that more context sensitive information is spoken. =20 Just as a final note, wasn't the usability of the spell checker included = in the case studies that were used to formulate the basic orca = requirements a few years ago? Case study may be the wrong term to = describe the document I'm thinking of...=20 I must take a look at the open orca related bugs and feature requests = for OpenOffice to see if any of my other moans have been addressed by = other people before going off on a rant on this list.=20 Sl=E1n=20 Darragh =D3 H=E9iligh www.digitaldarragh.com From joanmarie.diggs@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 06:38:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00A547500A7 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:38:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [24.61.92.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm1738648agc.14.2008.08.13.23.38.21 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 13 Aug 2008 23:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Darragh In-Reply-To: References: <495B67BB0ED14523A862A9ED45BA83C0@digitaldarragh.local> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:38:16 -0400 Message-Id: <1218695896.26738.7.camel@pokey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] OpenOffice dialogues X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:38:31 -0000 Hi Darragh. > I actually came across something I don't remember seing before > yesterday while using OpenOffice in Fedora 9. > The dialogues were not reading correctly. I believe that was broken by bugs in OOo 2.4 which the OOo guys fixed in 3.0 dev. HTH. Take care. --Joanie From mwhapples@aim.com Thu Aug 14 10:25:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AD17575018B for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:25:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zbx-bhtMDaxR for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:25:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2BA37501D3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:23:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id z.bda.2de76f98 (34959); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:23:05 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by cia-da06.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA068-888f48a407835c; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 06:23:04 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: Alastair Irving In-Reply-To: <48A34FD9.9060607@sjc.ox.ac.uk> References: <48A3393F.9010508@sjc.ox.ac.uk> <48A33D37.9010806@sun.com> <48A34FD9.9060607@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:30:21 +0100 Message-Id: <1218709821.3101.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Looking for suggestions on how to integrate orca with LaTeX-access scripts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:25:32 -0000 Hello, Here's my thoughts on how this might work for the user (please note I haven't used the jaws scripts as I don't use Jaws, and recently I haven't used Windows for quite a time). I would imagine that these could be a option which you could turn on or off for separate applications (IE. be a option in the orca settings which can also be configured as an application specific setting, it may also have a hot key). When this setting is enabled, I would imagine it would stand between the core of orca and both the Braille and speech outputs, translating anything which appears to be LaTeX. It would be important to make it an application setting as this behaviour would not be wanted/needed in certain applications (eg. nautilus). What would be really good would be if it could automatically enable itself for situations when a tex file is loaded, unless the settings specify it shouldn't be used, but I imagine that this would be more of a project for emacs intergration. Michael Whapples On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 22:19 +0100, Alastair Irving wrote: > I'd prefer it to be more automated; ie have a key to toggle the > translation on and off and then if its on automatically speak and > braille the translated line as you navigate a document, (so if the > translation is enabled you don't notice the actual line of LaTeX at > all). This suggests I need to overide the mechanism for speaking and > brailling the current line in an editor. > > Many thanks > > > > > Alastair > > Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi Alastair: > > > > Interesting. :-) What's the interaction model for this? For example, how > > do you specify the line of text? Would you edit in something such as > > gedit and then press a key to have the current line interpreted, spoken, > > and brailled? > > > > Will > > > > Alastair Irving wrote: > >> Hi All > >> > >> As I work with a lot of LaTeX, I wrote some python scripts which take > >> a line of LaTeX as input and output a translation into nemeth braille > >> and english speech; the idea being that one can get a realtime > >> translation whilst editting a document. I currently have these working > >> with jaws under windows but am very keen for orca support and was > >> wondering what the best way would be to write an orca script to > >> accomplish this? > >> > >> So far, my only idea is to overwrite the Speech and Braille generators > >> for a given application. Is this the best way forward? > >> > >> I'm a competent python programmer but don't know a great deal about > >> the internals of orca, so any advice will be useful. > >> > >> Many Thanks > >> > >> Alastair Irving > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > > From libranarsh@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 14:59:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1517F750099 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:59:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [122.161.31.140]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d7sm3463140tib.4.2008.08.14.07.59.05 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 07:59:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A44833.2050706@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:28:59 +0530 From: Aruni Sharma User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 2008073100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] strange behaviour of orca in web pages X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 14:59:17 -0000 Hello list, orca repeats the message 'finished loading the page' n number of times while the web page is loading. I am using latest ff3 and orca from svn trunk. the number of times orca would repeat this message depends how fast the page loads. if it loads slowly the message would be repeated more often. Please suggest how to fix this. the same behaviour is there in thunderbird 3 as well. Thanks and regards, Aruni. From tward@usagames.us Thu Aug 14 15:01:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 27B32750238 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:01:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.19 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.19 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_FUTURE_12_24=2.189] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1334 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [93.189.1.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZxMI3ePKHd7k for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:01:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mystique.cyber-node.com (dedi84.mer-2.real-hosts.com [93.189.1.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9459750208 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:01:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cpe-75-187-176-177.neo.res.rr.com ([75.187.176.177] helo=[192.168.15.2]) by mystique.cyber-node.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTeIr-0000jL-QS for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:59:54 -0400 Message-ID: <48A59A02.5060606@usagames.us> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:00:18 -0400 From: Thomas Ward User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mystique.cyber-node.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usagames.us Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:01:53 -0000 Hi, Just a quick update. For some reason I discovered my Dectalk software quit working. It gave me some weird error about my license has expired. I don't know what that meant, but I deleted the Dectalk files from /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/include, and /usr/local/lib, reinstalled Dectalk, and now Orca is happily speaking using Dectalk. So at this point the only problem I am having with gnome-speech is with Cepstral Callie 5.1. I still haven't gotten her working yet. The Cepstral swift server compiled and installed fine, both test-speech and Orca picks it up, but when I run test-speech Cepstral fails with an unknown error. Is anyone else having troubles with the Cepstral voices, and are there any work arounds for this unknown error? Thanks. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 14 15:40:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC882750388 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:40:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nrsVG8mt+VxV for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:40:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEA3375042D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7EFVptd005412 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:31:51 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5L00I01JGR8L00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:51 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5L00GE9KH1M7A0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:31:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 11:30:33 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A59A02.5060606@usagames.us> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Thomas Ward Message-id: <48A44F99.4040902@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> <48A59A02.5060606@usagames.us> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:40:39 -0000 Hi Tom: I just did a quick google search for "cepstral ldconfig" and came across http://wiki.freeswitch.org/wiki/Mod_cepstral: "Try manually adding the /opt/swift/lib directory to /etc/ld.so.conf or /etc/ld.so.conf.d/ and run ldconfig." Hope this helps! Will Thomas Ward wrote: > Hi, > Just a quick update. For some reason I discovered my Dectalk software > quit working. It gave me some weird error about my license has expired. > I don't know what that meant, but I deleted the Dectalk files from > /usr/local/bin, /usr/local/include, and /usr/local/lib, reinstalled > Dectalk, and now Orca is happily speaking using Dectalk. > So at this point the only problem I am having with gnome-speech is with > Cepstral Callie 5.1. I still haven't gotten her working yet. The > Cepstral swift server compiled and installed fine, both test-speech and > Orca picks it up, but when I run test-speech Cepstral fails with an > unknown error. Is anyone else having troubles with the Cepstral voices, > and are there any work arounds for this unknown error? > Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From demetry82@googlemail.com Thu Aug 14 16:47:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5F927501D0 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:47:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [78.49.200.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id j9sm4074670mue.3.2008.08.14.09.46.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:46:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A4615C.6020207@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 18:46:20 +0200 From: Demetry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] GParted Live CD with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: demetry82@googlemail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:47:29 -0000 Hi, I'm a new member here and a new user of Ubuntu with GNOME accessibilities. I have some questions: I tried to install Ubuntu with Orca but my braille display will not supported it (?). It's a PAC Mate with 40 cells from Freedom Scientific. When I chosen the entry "Braille Terminal" from the boot menu my braille display don't works. Only the Orca speech I can use successfully. Normally, I use a PC with Windows XP Home and as second system I will install Ubuntu. But the file system is a NTFS. I tried with the Desktop CD to repartition the hard drive. But I had no luck. I searched on the web and found this one here at http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/. Awesome idea this Live CD! Anywhere it's possible with Orca? But I'm blind and I have not a sighted people yet. Would be a idea? Best regards, Demetry From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 14 17:08:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E62A7501AB for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:08:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) 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Janusz Chmiel" To: , "Orca List" References: <48A4615C.6020207@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:08:26 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] GParted Live CD with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:08:34 -0000 Dear master, Gparted live CD contains Linux 26 kernel, GUI front for several freely awaylable tools for Linux, and this GUI front drives those utilities, which are controlled from A GUI front. The name of included programs in Gparted live CD is GNU parted, jfsutils, ntfsprogs, reiser4progs, reiserfsprogs, xfsprogs... So if somebody could try if those programs can be executed without need to install of those programs to user profile in Linux, so user could copy those applications to USB drive, could for example boot from Ubuntu live CD, type gnome-terminal And then Sudo su And then user could run those programs safely from A console Window, it could solve problem. But I think, that operating those external programs from command line will probably be nonconfortable. My opinion is, that making project such as incorporating sound capabilities and Screen Reading support for projects like Gparted Live CD is ammazing and could be done by using Knoppix and tools for making Live CDS based on GNU/Linux for example. I have real assumptions, that there are some possibility. The best would try to ask corporation, who developed Oralux Alpha Live CD based on Knoppix, if they could gave somebody permissions to modifi their project to customize projects such As Gparted live CD. But this CD is not awailable, Oralux project is not exists unfortunately. MR Klaus Knopper may be could help, but everybody, try to put Your hands on Your heart, who will do those projects free of charge? Who of us have so many Linux experience? So my opinion is, that everythink could be done, but it requires experience, time and other factors. If A front GUI for Gparted is graphically oriented and if reprogramming for console mode could be too complex, I think, that using commandline tools without GUI could require many attention and big concetration of user. But You are having good idea. May be, that somebody will try to think about it. 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( [24.61.92.135]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id r28sm660281ele.13.2008.08.14.10.26.01 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 10:26:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Joanmarie Diggs To: Aruni Sharma In-Reply-To: <48A44833.2050706@gmail.com> References: <48A44833.2050706@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:25:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1218734755.29269.3.camel@pokey> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] strange behaviour of orca in web pages X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 17:26:10 -0000 Hi Aruni. Are you using the latest Orca from trunk? The reason I ask is this statement: > repeated more often. Please suggest how to fix this. the same behaviour > is there in thunderbird 3 as well. I would have to double-check, but if I recall correctly the method which causes Orca to announce that the page has finished loading was completely bypassed in the Thunderbird script as part of another bug fix a month or so ago. Take care. --Joanie From guenni.post@gmx.de Thu Aug 14 19:06:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D3EAA750217 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:06:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 550 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fhDXuEQdDwDb for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:06:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DBC9C750276 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 14 Aug 2008 19:05:06 -0000 Received: from p57AB5FF5.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.95.245] by mail.gmx.net (mp055) with SMTP; 14 Aug 2008 21:05:06 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18P7qlGqfQPPiRhzPKyOay8gHZqNNzO8gRZQgvXnT n2/yfuGgGpKH6A Message-ID: <48A481D8.30909@gmx.de> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:04:56 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080813030431) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.85 Subject: [orca-list] How do I change the translationtable in brltty to european or german X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:06:56 -0000 Hi I know that I have to write something in the terminal. But the manual either expected to have people to have more experience than I have, or I looked in the wrong place. So what do I have to write exactly. I didn't change any files or anything else. Guenni From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Thu Aug 14 19:19:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 845427501A0 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:19:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 1980 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.182.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Fahy346R9wHz for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:19:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from nf-out-0910.google.com (nf-out-0910.google.com [64.233.182.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 818B6750030 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:18:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: by nf-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id c7so388839nfi.23 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:18:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:cc:subject:message-id :reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; bh=Tqzr5qzKBHFDo3sLwHd9BW/OLuCAgZpz1g8L4qMKZCU=; b=sTv57zkXF2MYWgsJRpOMiprGCCybcm69W/+HRJLcVesD9cspyGFr4mENhJLcPp/Jve OaCrJuHkW96JB5ma8yo4/yjJ47xHls+W5Pfhh9sPlczINKbIWdA7LeawBoPK4NJNTKzd 8NlkavBNuoFQ+OaPsL/r/PnQfNyA2KMBAalEg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:cc:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; b=UwphRN7l4JrM1PJUAMjc64HC1dEPj2ENHg/+O4v5zdtM98kya2FOk57dJGOJSb8PZ4 2RTdJgdH4iFxoCKhEFOJJ4IwGP4puibX9/FHXiB2QmOfyaun2ozXBOCP+HmK7c4KzfkU rtKxRFLhUqwEWxWIpRyh1O4+c/5TAewiaY3f4= Received: by 10.210.16.17 with SMTP id 17mr1826880ebp.47.1218741536849; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [82.32.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id m5sm4382784gve.3.2008.08.14.12.18.56 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 12:18:56 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:18:46 +0100 To: Anne G?nther Message-ID: <20080814191846.GA1152@mhdesktop> References: <48A481D8.30909@gmx.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48A481D8.30909@gmx.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Fcc: =bmh From: Jon X-Mailman-Approved-At: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:26:38 +0000 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] How do I change the translationtable in brltty to european or german X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: orca-list@gnome.org List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:19:09 -0000 Hi, You can do this by editing your /etc/brltty.conf Note if you are running gutsy, sometimes the file will be over-written, so you will have to follow the tip found in the trouble shooting section of http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Braille/ Hope this helps in the /etc/brltty.conf look for text-table de if you are using hardy you will simply to uncomment this line, if under gutsy then just look for text-table and change it to de Hope this helps -Jon On Thu 14/08/2008 at 21:04:56, Anne G?nther wrote: > Hi > I know that I have to write something in the terminal. But the manual > either expected to have people to have more experience than I have, or I > looked in the wrong place. So what do I have to write exactly. I didn't > change any files or anything else. > Guenni > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From tward@usagames.us Thu Aug 14 19:35:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D29F75007D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.275 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.275 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=0.274] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1379 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [93.189.1.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IW01352dPxDS for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mystique.cyber-node.com (dedi84.mer-2.real-hosts.com [93.189.1.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AF1D750137 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from cpe-75-187-176-177.neo.res.rr.com ([75.187.176.177] helo=[192.168.15.2]) by mystique.cyber-node.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KTiaM-0003DI-MK for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 15:34:14 -0400 Message-ID: <48A4C134.9080506@usagames.us> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:16 -0400 From: Thomas Ward User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1218549036.13373.16.camel@ubuntu> <48A1A211.7090003@sun.com> <48A353CF.7040603@usagames.us> <48A3259E.30604@sun.com> <48A59A02.5060606@usagames.us> <48A44F99.4040902@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A44F99.4040902@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - mystique.cyber-node.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - gnome.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - usagames.us Subject: Re: [orca-list] Need help with gnome-speech. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:35:34 -0000 Hi Will, Thanks a bunch. That fixed it. Callie is now working with Orca with no problems. Now, I can actually get on to the things I really want to do such as installing plugins and codecs for mp3s, dvd movies, etc and turn this Linux bad boy machine into a fully featured multimedia station. Thanks for all your help. I guess everything is taken care of for now. I already know which packages I want and need to get via apt-get and once I do that I'll be listening to movies, podcasts, etc on my freshly setup Linux box instead of that other os that came with the computer we shall leave nameless. Grin. From vinnypedulla@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 19:43:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B985750030 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:43:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.109 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.109 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Vinny Pedulla List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 19:43:56 -0000 Hey folks, I am new to the list, and I just started using Orca and Ubuntu as well. Demetry I don't know how this compares to a separate partition, but I chose to install Ubuntu within Windows. I believe it was the second option. What ends up happening is Ubuntu creates a directory in the root of your Windows partition called (Ubuntu). It also gives you a boot menu at start up and so far all seems well. Question for the long time users: is this OK to do, or would it have been better to resize my Windows partition and install Ubuntu in its own partition? It was very easy to install this way because it was just like a typical Windows install with Jaws speaking through out. Should I redo my install? Are there any real disadvantages? Looking forward to using Ubuntu and Orca, Vinny ----- Original Message ----- From: "Demetry" To: "Orca List" Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: [orca-list] GParted Live CD with Orca? > Hi, > > I'm a new member here and a new user of Ubuntu with GNOME accessibilities. > > I have some questions: > > I tried to install Ubuntu with Orca but my braille display will not > supported it (?). It's a PAC Mate with 40 cells from Freedom Scientific. > When I chosen the entry "Braille Terminal" from the boot menu my braille > display don't works. Only the Orca speech I can use successfully. > > Normally, I use a PC with Windows XP Home and as second system I will > install Ubuntu. But the file system is a NTFS. I tried with the Desktop > CD to repartition the hard drive. But I had no luck. > > I searched on the web and found this one here at > http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/. Awesome idea this Live CD! > > Anywhere it's possible with Orca? But I'm blind and I have not a sighted > people yet. Would be a idea? > > Best regards, > Demetry > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:26:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D72B750122 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:26:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.125 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.125 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396, TW_DB=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 34sm2655886yxl.9.2008.08.14.13.25.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:25:59 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Vinny Pedulla , Orca-list In-Reply-To: <3F96EFBE21BC4450BB9CC43F6114F13E@evsld505> References: <48A4615C.6020207@googlemail.com> <3F96EFBE21BC4450BB9CC43F6114F13E@evsld505> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-46dnDovRo481XT2UQRke" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:25:52 -0400 Message-Id: <1218745552.5997.20.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] GParted Live CD with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:26:11 -0000 --=-46dnDovRo481XT2UQRke Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit The program that allows this is called Wubi I think. I used it for a while, a month, and then installed Ubuntu on the whole computer after a virus took down my windows installation. While using Wubi, the Windows installation program for Ubuntu, I had no problems what so ever. Everything worked fine. I read that the computer would be a bit slower with Ubuntu installed in this way and that hybornate and suspend would not work, but I never use those anyway, so that was no big deal. It was just a tiny bit slower, but not very noticeable. I am still kind of new myself, have been using Ubuntu for about 6 months now, but I think you will be ok with it installed like that. One note though, if you are using outlook express, you should install Thunderbird in windows iand import your mail settings to it. This way, you can transport your messages and settings to thunderbird or evolution in UBuntu. This is one thing I didn't do, and now I have a lot of valuable messages stored in absolutely useless dbx files. You can find instructions to move messages from thunderbird on windows to thunderbird in Ubuntu easily on Google. On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 15:43 -0400, Vinny Pedulla wrote: > Hey folks, > I am new to the list, and I just started using Orca and Ubuntu as well. > Demetry I don't know how this compares to a separate partition, but I chose > to install Ubuntu within Windows. I believe it was the second option. What > ends up happening is Ubuntu creates a directory in the root of your Windows > partition called (Ubuntu). It also gives you a boot menu at start up and so > far all seems well. > Question for the long time users: is this OK to do, or would it have been > better to resize my Windows partition and install Ubuntu in its own > partition? It was very easy to install this way because it was just like a > typical Windows install with Jaws speaking through out. > Should I redo my install? Are there any real disadvantages? > Looking forward to using Ubuntu and Orca, > Vinny > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Demetry" > To: "Orca List" > Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:46 PM > Subject: [orca-list] GParted Live CD with Orca? > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm a new member here and a new user of Ubuntu with GNOME accessibilities. > > > > I have some questions: > > > > I tried to install Ubuntu with Orca but my braille display will not > > supported it (?). It's a PAC Mate with 40 cells from Freedom Scientific. > > When I chosen the entry "Braille Terminal" from the boot menu my braille > > display don't works. Only the Orca speech I can use successfully. > > > > Normally, I use a PC with Windows XP Home and as second system I will > > install Ubuntu. But the file system is a NTFS. I tried with the Desktop > > CD to repartition the hard drive. But I had no luck. > > > > I searched on the web and found this one here at > > http://gparted-livecd.tuxfamily.org/. Awesome idea this Live CD! > > > > Anywhere it's possible with Orca? But I'm blind and I have not a sighted > > people yet. Would be a idea? > > > > Best regards, > > Demetry > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-46dnDovRo481XT2UQRke Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable The program that allows this is called Wubi I think.  I used it for a = while, a month, and then installed Ubuntu on the whole computer after a vir= us took down my windows installation.  While using Wubi, the Windows i= nstallation program for Ubuntu, I had no problems what so ever.  Every= thing worked fine.  I read that the computer would be a bit slower wit= h Ubuntu installed in this way and that hybornate and suspend would not wor= k, but I never use those anyway, so that was no big deal.  It was just= a tiny bit slower, but not very noticeable.  I am still kind of new m= yself, have been using Ubuntu for about 6 months now, but I think you will = be ok with it installed like that.  One note though, if you are using = outlook express, you should install Thunderbird in windows iand import your= mail settings to it.  This way, you can transport your messages and s= ettings to thunderbird or evolution in UBuntu.  This is one thing I di= dn't do, and now I have a lot of valuable messages stored in absolutely use= less dbx files.
You can find instructions to move messages from thunderbird on windows to t= hunderbird in Ubuntu easily on Google.
On Thu, 2008-08-14 at 15:43 -0400, Vinny Pedulla wrote: 
Hey folks,
I am new to the list, and I just started using Orca and Ubuntu as well.=20
Demetry I don't know how this compares to a separate partition, but I chose=
=20
to install Ubuntu within Windows. I believe it was the second option. What=20
ends up happening is Ubuntu creates a directory in the root of your Windows=
=20
partition called (Ubuntu). It also gives you a boot menu at start up and so=
=20
far all seems well.
Question for the long time users: is this OK to do, or would it have been=20
better to resize my Windows partition and install Ubuntu in its own=20
partition? It was very easy to install this way because it was just like a=20
typical Windows install with Jaws speaking through out.
Should I redo my install? Are there any real disadvantages?
Looking forward to using Ubuntu and Orca,
Vinny

----- Original Message -----=20
From: "Demetry" <d=
emetry82@googlemail.com>
To: "Orca List" <orca-l=
ist@gnome.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:46 PM
Subject: [orca-list] GParted Live CD with Orca?


> Hi,
>
> I'm a new member here and a new user of Ubuntu with GNOME accessibilit=
ies.
>
> I have some questions:
>
> I tried to install Ubuntu with Orca but my braille display will not
> supported it (?). It's a PAC Mate with 40 cells from Freedom Scientifi=
c.
> When I chosen the entry "Braille Terminal" from the boot men=
u my braille
> display don't works. Only the Orca speech I can use successfully.
>
> Normally, I use a PC with Windows XP Home and as second system I will
> install Ubuntu. But the file system is a NTFS. I tried with the Deskto=
p
> CD to repartition the hard drive. But I had no luck.
>
> I searched on the web and found this one here at
> http://gparted-livecd=
.tuxfamily.org/. Awesome idea this Live CD!
>
> Anywhere it's possible with Orca? But I'm blind and I have not a sight=
ed
> people yet. Would be a idea?
>
> Best regards,
> Demetry
>
>
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( [78.49.200.89]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y37sm2513022mug.18.2008.08.14.13.30.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:30:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A495F6.3050006@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 22:30:46 +0200 From: Demetry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Bug fix in GNOME? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: demetry82@googlemail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:31:11 -0000 Hi to the Devs, Will fix soon the problem when booting form the Live CD and choosen the Braille Terminal that works? Because with my braille display don't work it. Will be fixed the bug in 8.10 finally? Demetry From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Thu Aug 14 20:39:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D19175007D for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:39:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 18sm3074384agb.12.2008.08.14.13.36.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 13:37:00 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-5kUV/cn+Tlo9+cfiExBu" Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 16:36:55 -0400 Message-Id: <1218746216.5997.30.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Odd Thing with Backsapce in Evolution Mail X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:39:44 -0000 --=-5kUV/cn+Tlo9+cfiExBu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, When composing a message in Evolution, when I make one of my numerus typeOs, the backspace key announces a totally different letter than it should be saying. It is a letter from somewhere in the message, just not the one being deleted. Is this something that is known about or something that is just a oddity of my computer? Thanks Storm --=-5kUV/cn+Tlo9+cfiExBu Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
When composing a message in Evolution, when I make one of my numerus typeOs, the backspace key announces a totally different letter than it should be saying.  It is a letter from somewhere in the message, just not the one being deleted.  Is this something that is known about or something that is just a oddity of my computer?
Thanks
Storm --=-5kUV/cn+Tlo9+cfiExBu-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Fri Aug 15 00:24:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 78E417500B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 4198 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o0e14bO2sZE0 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 255E5750085 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5F9B22A0CBC for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:22:43 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uhPwijZN53SH for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:22:42 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [10.0.1.107] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2962C2A0CA3 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:22:42 -0300 (BRT) From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Informal Informatica Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:24:05 -0300 Message-Id: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca and evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 00:24:18 -0000 Hi all, I'd like to know if the version of evolution that I'm running is the recommended version to use with orca. Actually I'm running version 2.22.3.1, installed as default when I did install Ubuntu. Thanks! BTW: This is the first e-mail that I send using orca!!!! From spangler.robert@gmail.com Fri Aug 15 03:01:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6D6377500E0 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:01:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5428 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.18] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 93YjSxXhMW3z for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 60BD97500D6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:01:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so3006165gxk.15 for ; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:01:07 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=A7OI1F/XYG2Mj3C0tQRr0l1HPXkIWEjpY3ultF2i4FQ=; b=DELIyugx8MvP7QIkfmz/VoaGPyNT+cOyPjkKVqR6UkjPGPVmfiIB2KDKzfY254aF5T M2UQuKxnrbXMHK6gjzg7/KU/yZEP3rIxRgOUQPAIJ1TqH/kgkB4Hamfjn/vJE1IPnzB9 BrOdXoHUgvZKPpOcG7ncYfgb3fpwALyyXcDuQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Ei84RalI4pXK3wWS1xkvdsiYkgru6cSNVeEPq2LuzH1TEfzqzrQcRF4MYrliNVFOa/ n1qTaAEvdXbXDYWHheK2IE1Sl/Lc0UyEPtyHhwxPtzHHu+nZegYHLgusS2M7mg3uFINs XcgMJKW/iQYs5ngyS20dZ4PgNjM95uzH4Sfx8= Received: by 10.150.181.7 with SMTP id d7mr2979745ybf.136.1218769267785; Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.188? ( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1643666yxd.2.2008.08.14.20.01.06 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:01:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A4F151.4010706@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:00:33 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080814030353) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Firefox Crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:01:15 -0000 Hello all, Today, Firefox has crashed on me at least five times - usually when opening web sites in multiple tabs. I had a sighted person confirm that it pops up a bug buddy screen. Orca freezes. I don't know if these crashes are relevant to Orca or not but I just want to know if anyone on this list is experiencing them. I keep my Orca current from SVN and am using Firefox 3.0.1. How does one go about getting the bug buddy dialogs to speak? Also, will the latest builds of Firefox 3.1 offer any stability/accessibility improvements over 3.0.1? Robby From guenni.post@gmx.de Fri Aug 15 08:17:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF3A7500B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:17:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 6039 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sFOV1fPSgQQs for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:17:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9AD61750063 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:17:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 15 Aug 2008 08:17:43 -0000 Received: from p57AB567F.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.86.127] by mail.gmx.net (mp058) with SMTP; 15 Aug 2008 10:17:43 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18wyBwL8vgw/Agos7jGYG7ECAZOl/UH1CX0zHNLCz 7lF15blaQpgCYI Message-ID: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:17:38 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080814030353) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Subject: [orca-list] Output in gnome-terminal? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 08:17:53 -0000 Hi Perhaps I'm just to stupid. But I typed ls in the command line and got no error message so it obviously worked. But I can't find the output. Just previous commands. How can I read these things? Guenni From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Fri Aug 15 10:15:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88448750100 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:15:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) 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Janusz Chmiel" To: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= , References: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:54 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Output in gnome-terminal? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:15:09 -0000 Dear users and developers, Please, is it possible to use Braille output for Czech language with Orca? Do Orca support Czech braille table? If not, in which modules are defined The dots, which are displayed when A specific character is sended to Braille display? Thank You very much for Your answer. I would like to thank You core developers of Orca, that they have done so fast code of Orca, that even while using Orca with Braille output enabled and also with synthesizers speech enabled, The reaction time of Orca is very fast. Very well done. I would also to thank You that Your development team takes braille support seriously, that Orca can manage all braille display related events, even buttons and navigation cursor buttons are supported. Ammazing think. Thank Your development team again. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Fri Aug 15 10:37:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B800C75007B for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:37:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TJdQLebFTGjd for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:36:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 82E887500A4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:36:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B210207.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.2.7]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KTwfb0daM-0006Xp; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:36:35 +0200 From: Hermann To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" In-Reply-To: <17AFB7401E8A4DAA8FDBB1F184B01FD5@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> (Mgr. Janusz Chmiel's message of "Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:14:54 +0200") References: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> <17AFB7401E8A4DAA8FDBB1F184B01FD5@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:36:35 +0200 Message-ID: <87iqu25zv0.fsf_-_@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/a9YkcvtPokJ7qX+uuZoZ5ZgW5V/OY695vx4L JVekVhlQn6uY/BnaZQocouvKvpCG4TGmzvlgejkf7itaPDkbwi 3GBO2ZE5u4RArrmpLUXZg== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Czech braille output was: Re: Output in gnome-terminal? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:37:04 -0000 On 15.08.2008 at 12:14:54 "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" wrote: > Dear users and developers, > > Please, is it possible to use Braille output for Czech language > with Orca? Do Orca support Czech braille table? If not, in which > modules are defined The dots, which are displayed when A specific > character is sended to Braille display? Thank You very much for Your > answer. > The braille output is handled in brltty, not in Orca. Open /etc/brltty.conf and search for the following line: #text-table cz # Czech (iso-8859-2) Remove the "#" at the beginning of this line - and only this "#" - and then restart your brltty and your Orca. Now you should have Czech braille output. Note: You must edit the file with root privileges. Hermann From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 15 10:49:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D91F75025F for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:49:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VuzFc8DI83YY for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:49:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC10975026C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:46:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7FAksN4003305 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:46:54 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5N008011W4PM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5N00IVM1Y5YT30@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 04:46:54 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 06:45:36 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= Message-id: <48A55E50.80205@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Output in gnome-terminal? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:49:52 -0000 Hi Anne: It should just work. I just tried this and it worked -- does Orca work reading other things for you? Will Anne Günther wrote: > Hi > Perhaps I'm just to stupid. But I typed ls in the command line and got > no error message so it obviously worked. But I can't find the output. > Just previous commands. How can I read these things? > Guenni > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Fri Aug 15 11:23:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ADAA4750159 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:23:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 8146 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vF3koa0EvnL3 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:23:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 277AD75021C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:21:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74E9ABC85A2; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:21:50 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 933282800D; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:52 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id wH0Vq1GXJZOT; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:52 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9D4A728005; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:51 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 767BE8AC1B8; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:51 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <967482307F7340A0BB69DE790DFB80E9@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Willie Walker" , =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= References: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> <48A55E50.80205@sun.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:21:53 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] do Foresight Linux with Gnome version 2.19.92 support Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:23:37 -0000 Dear users and developers, Do You think, that Live CD of ForesightLinux with Gnome version 2.19.92 would contain Orca? Or do You think, that developers of This distribution removed Orca from A whole package when they made compilation of Gnome? I Am aware, that I can wait issues, but I would like to know, if Orca is included. Or if Yes, if Orca is not only bundled to Distribution with no speech synthesizer or Brltty, so if I will try it, I will have no chance to use Orca. I Am very sorry, that I Am triing too many Linux distributions, but I do not think it bad. Thank You very much for Your answer.. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Fri Aug 15 12:10:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1D5A7500CD for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oi7IrbrYoYsM for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D243C75014A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B210207.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.2.7]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1KTy8I3Lwx-0003Ir; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:10:19 +0200 From: Hermann To: Anne =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= In-Reply-To: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> ("Anne =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther=22'?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?s?= message of "Fri, 15 Aug 2008 10:17:38 +0200") References: <48A53BA2.2030309@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:10:17 +0200 Message-ID: <87ej4q5viu.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19jmrQZxFyGVpJWZCS3bCI1nqUfhO86YxKcarQ SxuUsolnYh7Upop6ehVRlNaz1e8U0ac1Kru5IvEFshq+wAhdba gc2SBE+ggabi48cCm8KSQ== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Output in gnome-terminal? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:10:28 -0000 On 15.08.2008 at 10:17:38 Anne G=FCnther wrote: > Hi > Perhaps I'm just to stupid. But I typed ls in the command line and got > no error message so it obviously worked. But I can't find the > output. Just previous commands. How can I read these things? The very same way you read such things in a text terminal, with the keys of your braille display. In addition you can use Orca's flat review keys, in case you've chosen the desktop layout it's the numpad 7. Check out the Orca wiki in: http://live.gnome.org/Orca But, as Will has written, Orca should echo the output too. Hermann From sebo@blinzeln.de Fri Aug 15 12:21:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61F837500B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:21:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.078 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 6718 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [212.112.241.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DVlujQjtLDhc for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:21:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.as-10.de (as-10.de [212.112.241.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DF157500DA for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:21:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 436E633A70A for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.as-10.de Received: from mail.as-10.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (as-10.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5SDjeoCftAFu for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from server.malongo.de (cmnz-4db30516.pool.einsundeins.de [77.179.5.22]) (Authenticated sender: web30p1) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BDD9B33A6E4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by server.malongo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC5C31660AB for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:33 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at server.malongo.de Received: from server.malongo.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (server.malongo.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ELc5Vyvc4hrE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Received: from localhost (unknown [192.168.178.27]) by server.malongo.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 31DD5165FC4 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:33 +0200 (CEST) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:21:31 +0200 From: Sebastian Dellit X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional Organization: BLINDzeln X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1712979705.20080815142131@blinzeln.de> To: orca In-Reply-To: <1218598935.7220.17.camel@stormdragon-laptop> References: <1218598935.7220.17.camel@stormdragon-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080814-0, 14.08.2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Sebastian Dellit List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:21:43 -0000 Hello Storm and all readers, thanks for the instruction. on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 at 5:42:15 AM Storm Dragon wrote: > Here's the rough draft of what I will try to add to the Wiki if I can > figure it out *grin*. Let me know if it is ok and if I made mistakes, > need to make changes, etc. I have try all steps. 1. Edit the custom file (gdm.conf-custom). 2. gdmflexibleserver ... 3. Add the user gdm to the group audio (adduser gdm audio). 4. restart. When I press Ctrl+s on the loginscreen nothing happens. I use Ubuntu 08.04. What can I do? -- Best regards Sebastian ICQ: 264706583 | MSM: sebo@blinzeln.de | Skype: sebo_de | Yahoo: de_sebo E-Mail: sebo@blinzeln.de | Web: www.blindzeln.de From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 15 13:24:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FEE75006E for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.528 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.528 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, SARE_OBFU_RELEASES=0.994, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KWgJCmP3mNhf for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EFC047500B6 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7FDO94i017124 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:09 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5N00D0191ROI00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:24:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5N00HAY97XZ5F0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 07:24:02 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 09:22:39 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1712979705.20080815142131@blinzeln.de> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Sebastian Dellit Message-id: <48A5831F.4070309@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218598935.7220.17.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <1712979705.20080815142131@blinzeln.de> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] accessible login instructions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:24:18 -0000 You need to press and hold the Ctrl+s key for a little over a second and then release it. If you're just doing a quick press/releaase, it won't work. Hope this helps! Will Sebastian Dellit wrote: > Hello Storm and all readers, > > thanks for the instruction. > > on Wednesday, August 13, 2008 at 5:42:15 AM Storm Dragon wrote: >> Here's the rough draft of what I will try to add to the Wiki if I can >> figure it out *grin*. Let me know if it is ok and if I made mistakes, >> need to make changes, etc. > > I have try all steps. > > 1. Edit the custom file (gdm.conf-custom). > 2. gdmflexibleserver ... > 3. Add the user gdm to the group audio (adduser gdm audio). > 4. restart. > > When I press Ctrl+s on the loginscreen nothing happens. > > I use Ubuntu 08.04. > > What can I do? From mj@mjw.se Fri Aug 15 17:19:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F99C7500B0 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:19:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3624 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WbAOSto7TZCX for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:19:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe10.swip.net [212.247.155.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 87AB7750080 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:19:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N/Dn6CWAxbOfCtdzrjPwDQ==:17 Received: from [85.226.22.19] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se [85.226.22.19] verified) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 872156449 for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:19:27 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:19:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1218820766.6339.2.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] my last try to this list X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:19:36 -0000 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 15 17:48:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34D967501AA for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:48:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SxEndr5rUAge for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:48:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0394C750086 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:48:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7FHm8Bb007955 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:48:08 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5N00H01KWFL700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:48:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5N009EDLFZP410@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:48:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:46:41 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <7AD9FFABC7174139BB9F1B688BC9EE9B@mj4cb43de67893> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mattias Message-id: <48A5C101.6060708@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=x-user-defined Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <7AD9FFABC7174139BB9F1B688BC9EE9B@mj4cb43de67893> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] testing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:48:16 -0000 Gosh - it looks good. :-( I don't know. I don't use outlook, so I don't know what it could be doing. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 15 18:06:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E35B750187 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4QWr+2yHpTK5 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 967F075008C for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7FI6S6F005277 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:28 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5N00K01LBNRF00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:06:28 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5N0046DMAGHE80@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 12:06:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:04:59 -0400 From: Willie Walker Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca List Message-id: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Subject: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:06:37 -0000 Hey All: I made a needed change today so I can build Orca 2.23.x releases for GNOME 2.23.x on a GNOME 2.23.x system. It has been brought to my attention that this will have an impact on those of you who are attempting to build Orca from svn trunk on a GNOME 2.22.x system or earlier (e.g., Hardy). Mike is looking into a solution for those of you who have been comfortable ignoring the "Orca v2.23.x is supported on GNOME 2.23.x only" disclaimer and will post a solution if he can find one. Will From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Fri Aug 15 18:43:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 949C8750180 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:43:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.43.132] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bL6aFrKDiBHM for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:42:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (sca-es-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.43.132]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4514750100 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:42:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7FIgkVi019835 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:42:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5N00B01NR9C900@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.117] ([24.23.175.3]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5N00EJKNZAS870@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:42:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:42:46 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: Willie Walker Message-id: <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:43:02 -0000 Hi all, > Mike is looking into a solution for those of you who have been > comfortable ignoring the "Orca v2.23.x is supported on GNOME 2.23.x > only" disclaimer and will post a solution if he can find one. I did not find a pre-compiled version of intltool for hardy but was able to build it from source just fine. Here are the steps I used to build on hardy? 1. svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/intltool/trunk intltool 2. cd intltool 3. ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr sudo make install After doing this you should be able to build orca. Mike From mj@mjw.se Fri Aug 15 20:01:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9813A75030D for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:01:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3626 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.65] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1XKaZEItBOoE for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:01:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe11.swip.net [212.247.155.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A94750318 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:58:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=N/Dn6CWAxbOfCtdzrjPwDQ==:17 a=TTztm_494UoR4-1U6psA:9 a=JJHa1pgpgPkI2vDWG4TLw27GWzcA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Received: from [85.226.22.19] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe11.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 869897160 for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:57:58 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:57:57 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] sorry X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:01:07 -0000 I have / had verry big problems to mail the list Wil no what i meen But now that seems solved But hov long time... 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm1471214yxt.1.2008.08.15.14.46.08 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 15 Aug 2008 14:46:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A5F91D.4020002@gmail.com> Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:46:05 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080808031055) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Pedersen References: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> In-Reply-To: <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Willie Walker , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:47:41 -0000 I found a source for 0.40.0. Can you use the same prefix for the ./configure command? Thanks, Mike From kb8aey@verizon.net Fri Aug 15 22:54:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EE6E3750006 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:54:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.662 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.662 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.523, BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 1876 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.3] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EjyYHJj8rt7u for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173003pub.verizon.net (vms173003pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.3]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B931750070 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:54:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K5N00AZXZMEVG02@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:54:17 -0500 (CDT) Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:54:17 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms173003.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K5N00A02ZMGVG12@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] I need some info on the Solaris live cd. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 22:54:48 -0000 Hi, I was looking on the Internet today and found a link for a Solaris live CD. Ok, my question is has anyone used the Solaris live CD? If so, does it include Orca? I started the download, and it is 686 Mb, so I also wonder if gnome is included. I have never tried Solaris before, and would like to see what it is all about. One more thing. If anyone has used this CD, what can I expect when it boots? Do I have to for example, make choices at boot time that I will need sighted help to make? Thanks Mike. From mj@mjw.se Fri Aug 15 23:22:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67524750006 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:22:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:39:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.73] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L4nbeul756cg for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:22:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D12C4750070 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:22:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 481183EA01BF6D29 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:22:11 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApB3AACspUhV4hYTPGdsb2JhbACBXIZuJUeIRwEBAQEtogeBVw Received: from c-1316e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mj4cb43de67893) ([85.226.22.19]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:22:11 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:22:10 +0200 Message-ID: <81309F72E506432EA2F02806F822B27E@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 2008-08-15), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] Use windows tts's X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:22:20 -0000 Hmm Any way to use a windows tts with orca Yes stupid question But i hate espeak verry mutch From mj@mjw.se Fri Aug 15 23:32:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA1657501C3 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:32:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:40:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9yD7TPSqVsnx for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:32:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC95750135 for ; Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:32:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01C85024 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:32:11 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApZmABqvpUhV4hYTPGdsb2JhbACBXIdaiEcBAQEBLaIMgVc Received: from c-1316e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mj4cb43de67893) ([85.226.22.19]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2008 01:32:10 +0200 From: "mattias" To: "'orca'" Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 01:32:09 +0200 Message-ID: <9711D7362D644B30BEE932FCF032F573@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-Reply-To: <0K5N00A02ZMGVG12@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 2008-08-15), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] I need some info on the Solaris live cd. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 23:32:24 -0000 Oops this answer should to the list I can't see way gnome not are on the live cd -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r mike Skickat: den 16 augusti 2008 00:54 Till: orca =C4mne: [orca-list] I need some info on the Solaris live cd. Hi, I was looking on the Internet today and found a link for a Solaris live CD. Ok, my question is has anyone used the Solaris live CD? If so, does it include Orca? I started the download, and it is 686 Mb, so I also wonder if gnome is included. I have never tried Solaris before, and would like to see what it is all about. One more thing. If anyone has used this CD, what can I expect when it boots? Do I have to for example, make choices at boot time that I will need sighted help to make?=20 Thanks Mike. _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From hammera@pickup.hu Sat Aug 16 07:59:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 861347501B5 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:59:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 853 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [89.251.32.12] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8ku8YGPZJtZ4 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:59:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63EB275023C for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:59:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [89.251.40.200]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 02C2CE838D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:24:13 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48A688D7.3020701@pickup.hu> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 09:59:19 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 2008.08.15), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] Orca not speech with Intrepid Ibex Alpha4 release X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 07:59:31 -0000 Dear List! I downloaded Alpha4 release of Intrepid Ibex. When cd spinning up, selected english language and pressed enter key. After this, choosed accessibility menu with f5 key, and choosed screen reader menu item and pressed enter key. Selected the first menu item (booting the live cd). The gnome-orca screenreader is not speech, and login sound not played automaticaly. Orca preferences window displaying the screen. when I tryed launch Orca with orca -t command with gnome-terminal, could'nt found speech server. I see this problem with Alpha3 release, and the problem not solved with Alpha4 release version. Another sounds work correct (play music, movies etc). This bug is critical with accessibility. Can you see this problem? How can I solve this problem? I filled bugreport with launchpad: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-orca/+bug/258508 Thanks, Attila From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sat Aug 16 08:27:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBC5775024F for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id POazR81u3bPu for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73BF6750133 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B21067B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.6.123]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KUH8A2DfU-0006lv; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:27:26 +0200 From: Hermann To: Mike Pedersen In-Reply-To: <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> (Mike Pedersen's message of "Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:42:46 -0700") References: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:27:29 +0200 Message-ID: <87myjd1i1a.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ZrERaNzP/0ckwc1ZNMXap23+g6G1pCAR/ZTX DOacUMl0s6MDmuDsjMPobRel0AHyzNmUvwaswDktBEr6ja/IoY hXMVXqgwlvqUs7WpdVnag== Cc: Willie Walker , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:35 -0000 On 15.08.2008 at 20:42:46 Mike Pedersen wrote: > Hi all, >> Mike is looking into a solution for those of you who have been >> comfortable ignoring the "Orca v2.23.x is supported on GNOME 2.23.x >> only" disclaimer and will post a solution if he can find one. > > I did not find a pre-compiled version of intltool for hardy but was able > to build it from source just fine. Here are the steps I used to build > on hardy? > Is this necessary, and if so, since when? I use Gutsy, and after rebuilding atk, at-spi and gail a few months ago, I could build Orca without any problems. Hermann From alastair.irving@sjc.ox.ac.uk Sat Aug 16 10:25:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C20F5750261 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:25:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -4.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-4.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 2175 hrs), (distance 23, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [129.67.1.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 92S1hUey4+dM for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:25:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from relay0.mail.ox.ac.uk (relay0.mail.ox.ac.uk [129.67.1.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 162AB7500C1 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:25:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.mail.ox.ac.uk ([163.1.2.205]) by relay0.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUIy2-0000y7-1g; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:25:06 +0100 Received: from host81-132-2-96.range81-132.btcentralplus.com ([81.132.2.96] helo=[127.0.0.1]) by smtp2.mail.ox.ac.uk with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KUIy2-0000Xt-7C; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:25:06 +0100 Message-ID: <48A6AAFE.3090807@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:25:02 +0100 From: Alastair Irving User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mattias References: <81309F72E506432EA2F02806F822B27E@mj4cb43de67893> In-Reply-To: <81309F72E506432EA2F02806F822B27E@mj4cb43de67893> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Oxford-Username: sjoh2519 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Use windows tts's X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:25:17 -0000 mattias wrote: > Hmm > Any way to use a windows tts with orca > Yes stupid question > But i hate espeak verry mutch Have you considered either ttsynth or voxin, (both of which are fundamentally the same synth which is equivalent to eloquence on windows). HTH Alastair Irving > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 16 10:29:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C97DE7502AB for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.093 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.093 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:41:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.73] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5YsoQrt9xY7W for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C10ED75028D for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 481183EA01C04ACA for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:29:37 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AjFsAI9IpkhV4hYTPGdsb2JhbACBXIdbiEgBAQEBLaAhgVg Received: from c-1316e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mj4cb43de67893) ([85.226.22.19]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2008 12:29:36 +0200 From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 12:29:34 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <48A6AAFE.3090807@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080815-0, 2008-08-15), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Use windows tts's X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:29:47 -0000 Yes i have voxin But voxin only exist in english and i search for a swedish one -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Alastair Irving [mailto:alastair.irving@sjc.ox.ac.uk]=20 Skickat: den 16 augusti 2008 12:25 Till: mattias Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Use windows tts's mattias wrote: > Hmm > Any way to use a windows tts with orca > Yes stupid question > But i hate espeak verry mutch Have you considered either ttsynth or voxin, (both of which are=20 fundamentally the same synth which is equivalent to eloquence on windows). HTH Alastair Irving > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Aug 16 14:27:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63708750467 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id quPWI8WSc9fN for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBA03750309 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:23:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7GEN9BK011726 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:23:09 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5P007016GMJM00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5P007YW6MJATA0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:23:09 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:23:04 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <0K5N00A02ZMGVG12@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mike Message-id: <1111f6d3a7430fe2b87dc5f1ae55efd9@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0K5N00A02ZMGVG12@vms173003.mailsrvcs.net> Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] I need some info on the Solaris live cd. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:27:48 -0000 Hi Mike: I'm currently working on enabling the OpenSolaris live CD to include Orca and to permit an accessible install via Orca. We currently have some Sun-internal prototypes that have been shown to work -- Mike Pedersen can burn the CD, boot it, and install OpenSolaris without sighted assistance. It's a bit clunky at the moment, but it works. :-) In the meantime, OpenSolaris includes GNOME and all of the accessibility infrastructure with it. It's currently missing a speech engine, however, making it kind of useless for speech users. :-(. A lot of the work I'm going through involves getting eSpeak in OpenSolaris, which just involves making sure we do things "right" according to the OpenSolaris development/release process. I hope to have an accessible install for OpenSolaris 2008.11. Hope this helps, Will On Aug 15, 2008, at 6:54 PM, mike wrote: > Hi, I was looking on the Internet today and found a link for a Solaris > live CD. > Ok, my question is has anyone used the Solaris live CD? If so, does > it include Orca? I started the download, and it is 686 Mb, so I also > wonder if gnome is included. I have never tried Solaris before, and > would like to see what it is all about. > One more thing. If anyone has used this CD, what can I expect when it > boots? Do I have to for example, make choices at boot time that I will > need sighted help to make? > Thanks Mike. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Aug 16 14:34:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3CB167503F9 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:34:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C1qz01kn0k81 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:34:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDB5375047F for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:28:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7GESDKE001919 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:28:13 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5P00K016TY1G00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5P008PB6UZZFF0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:28:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 10:28:09 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <87myjd1i1a.fsf@onlinehome.de> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Hermann Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> <87myjd1i1a.fsf@onlinehome.de> Cc: Mike Pedersen , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:34:27 -0000 Hi Hermann: I made the needed change to use intltool 0.40.0 in Orca's svn trunk yesterday so I can build Orca 2.23.x releases for GNOME 2.23.x on a GNOME 2.23.x system. This will have an impact on people who are attempting to build Orca from svn trunk on a GNOME 2.22.x system or earlier (e.g., Hardy). I suspect it will also have an impact on people attempting to build tarball releases of Orca sources starting with Orca v2.23.90 (to be released Monday) on GNOME 2.22.x systems or earlier. Will On Aug 16, 2008, at 4:27 AM, Hermann wrote: > On 15.08.2008 at 20:42:46 Mike Pedersen > wrote: > >> Hi all, >>> Mike is looking into a solution for those of you who have been >>> comfortable ignoring the "Orca v2.23.x is supported on GNOME 2.23.x >>> only" disclaimer and will post a solution if he can find one. >> >> I did not find a pre-compiled version of intltool for hardy but was >> able >> to build it from source just fine. Here are the steps I used to >> build >> on hardy? >> > Is this necessary, and if so, since when? > I use Gutsy, and after rebuilding atk, at-spi and gail a few months > ago, > I could build Orca without any problems. > Hermann > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 16 21:51:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34E3E750022 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:51:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id x9zh6FMe10ml for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:51:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67076750060 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:51:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01CA34B2 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:51:49 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: Ag9PAGfopkhV4hYTPGdsb2JhbACCJIYnJYkPAQEBAS2gEoFY Received: from c-1316e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [85.226.22.19]) ([85.226.22.19]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 16 Aug 2008 23:51:49 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 23:51:46 +0200 Message-Id: <1218923506.7401.1.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] brltty problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:51:58 -0000 i installed ubuntu on a desktop computer no laptop and my x server runs on ctrl alt f8 speech works but no braille From Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM Sat Aug 16 22:15:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15A8F750135 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:15:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.43.133] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xiF5N9XduEBa for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (sca-es-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.43.133]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCF0E7501CB for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:15:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-sfbay-10.sun.com ([192.18.43.129]) by sca-es-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.7+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7GMFHtn000118 for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from conversion-daemon.fe-sfbay-10.sun.com by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5P00L01SG4OS00@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com> (original mail from Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.117] ([24.23.175.3]) by fe-sfbay-10.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5P00LZ3SHHXNA0@fe-sfbay-10.sun.com>; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:17 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 15:15:17 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen In-reply-to: <48A5F91D.4020002@gmail.com> Sender: Michael.Pedersen@Sun.COM To: Mike Reiser Message-id: <1218924917.7206.0.camel@mini> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> <1218825766.16434.6.camel@mini> <48A5F91D.4020002@gmail.com> Cc: Willie Walker , Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:15:36 -0000 Hello Mike, > I found a source for 0.40.0. Can you use the same prefix for the > ./configure command? Thanks, the instructions I gave should work just fine for a source tarball as well. Mike From jbsn@tpg.com.au Sun Aug 17 00:27:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99443750006 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:27:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:216:1:60:M1460, S, T, N, W7:.:?:?] (up: 8276 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [203.12.160.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZNBa6V106+8W for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:27:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail11.tpgi.com.au (mail11.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F32D5750072 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:27:22 +0000 (GMT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from arnold (60-240-255-203.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.255.203]) by mail11.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from jbsn@tpg.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7H0RGbw025207 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:27:19 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:29:38 +1000 From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson To: mattias Message-ID: <20080817002937.GC18514@arnold> References: <1218923506.7401.1.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1218923506.7401.1.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] brltty problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:27:28 -0000 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 11:51:46PM +0200, mattias wrote: > i installed ubuntu on a desktop computer no laptop > and my x server runs on ctrl alt f8 > speech works but no braille > Does BRLTTY work in a text console? Do you have python-brlapi installed? Bertil From steve@holmesgrown.com Sun Aug 17 01:54:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0CDC475004D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:54:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.39] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yOhUokEOwEHg for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:54:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (fed1rmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.241.39]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06FD3750073 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:54:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080817015437.NHNF29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:54:37 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3Due1a0022rzSAG04DueEr; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 21:54:38 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUXTb-0001OQ-NG for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:54:39 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUXTy-0006qK-JS for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:55:02 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 18:55:02 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080817015502.GC17967@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000001c8fd90$42163a10$b2ebfea9@Laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <000001c8fd90$42163a10$b2ebfea9@Laptop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Hardware synthesicer with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:54:48 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I would like to do the same thing. I think the easiest way to go would probably to use Speech Dispatcher and write a synth module for serial based synthesizers. I started to look into this once a while back but never got off the ground. Just too many other things going on I guess. But we could probably start with a serial-generic module and include parms in it for the various synths since they all generally work similarly; just differend codes used for same commands by each synth. But nothing available right now sor serials. On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 12:02:16AM +0200, Robin Kipp wrote: > Hi list, > Just wondering, is it possible to make a hardware synthesicer that is > connected to the computer via the serial interface work with Orca? I > still have an old Infovox synth here which I'm using under Windows to > make it sing and stuff, so would like to know if it's possible to make > it work with orca if anyone here knows that. Thanks! > Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIp4T2WSjv55S0LfERAzesAJ9Mp7TN3m2tfPMkVpTggVAnmpY35QCg1czH hosk8l8X4pa+FpVDLKs4xlw= =crjc -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Aug 17 02:00:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81917750073 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:00:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 724 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SS1+c6S2RgHt for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:00:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 00BF0750072 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:00:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7H20AJP020040 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:00:12 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7H2052n007400 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:00:05 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7H205BB007399 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:00:05 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:00:05 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080817020005.GA7357@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <000001c8fd90$42163a10$b2ebfea9@Laptop> <20080817015502.GC17967@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080817015502.GC17967@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8051/Sat Aug 16 03:44:59 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Hardware synthesicer with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 02:00:21 -0000 On Sat, Aug 16, 2008 at 06:55:02PM -0700, Steve Holmes wrote: > > I would like to do the same thing. I think the easiest way to go > would probably to use Speech Dispatcher and write a synth module for > serial based synthesizers. If your device is supported by an Emacspeak speech server, this can be used with Orca. I haven't tried it recently, but the code is in place and it is supposed to work. From steve@holmesgrown.com Sun Aug 17 05:27:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4340075000B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:27:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.39] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id bVRCdGnjuTr5 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:24:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (fed1rmmtao107.cox.net [68.230.241.39]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A1E675004D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:24:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo03.cox.net ([70.169.32.75]) by fed1rmmtao107.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080817052444.SVJJ29505.fed1rmmtao107.cox.net@fed1rmimpo03.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:24:44 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo03.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3HQl1a00B2rzSAG04HQlGk; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:24:45 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUakx-0001W8-K1 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:24:47 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUalJ-0000Gj-U2 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:25:10 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:25:09 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20080817052509.GA948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [orca-list] Evince X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:27:06 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I don't remember if this has been brought up before or not, but I tried to open a PDF document in Evince, the default viewer for such documents in gnome under Slackware. I could never read any of the text. With one file, I could use the flat review keys to see the first page of text but all the scrolling and page navigation I could think of would never change the text under flat review. Also with that same document, I was able to traverse the table of contents in a tree table; the arrow keys read that table just fine but when I tabbed over to the document view, All I would hear is "icon" followed by a number of so many. Arrowing around inside this document view was completely unusable. Is it not possible to read PDF files with gnome/orca? Should I be using something other than evince for this task? Thanks. - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIp7Y1WSjv55S0LfERA2r7AKCsyYzRnSy1O64uBr3BABKe3wLiVwCeIgEO G5oS30CjqwkAxRUZCGDelfw= =pT/l -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve@holmesgrown.com Sun Aug 17 05:28:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F3CD8750072 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:28:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8U26qnx5sstT for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:28:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 09A2C75004D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:28:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo02.cox.net ([70.169.32.72]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080817052822.JGZN6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo02.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:28:22 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo02.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3HUM1a0062rzSAG04HUMYQ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:28:21 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUaoR-0001WL-6X for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:28:23 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUaon-0000Hq-NC for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:28:45 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:28:45 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20080817052845.GB948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [orca-list] Playing DVD's in Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:28:31 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 I popped in a regular DVD today and my gnome setup defaults to using totem movie player to show the contents. Now I've used Totem movie player to listen to OGG and MP3 files all the time with complete accessibility. Alas when I had a DVD in there, I couldn't figure out anything. I only heard the introductory music but couldn't navigate anywhere. I even went into the Go menu and tried the various options but I seemed to be stuck in the DVD menu and couldn't go anywhere else. ARE DVD's not usable with Orca or am I missing something here? Thanks for any help. - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIp7cNWSjv55S0LfERA9UdAKCjGKR8fqydyIfqQ5M+Ssngu38jLgCeJi3q 7z4nHSw6JggpRoBTCLSd6Uc= =NLcI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve@holmesgrown.com Sun Aug 17 05:34:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94C84750060 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:34:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UWPbd3suS1rV for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76A6B75004D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:34:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080817053420.JJKA6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:34:20 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3HaK1a0022rzSAG03HaKov; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 01:34:19 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUauD-0001WQ-At for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:34:21 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUauZ-0000Jx-SG for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:34:44 -0700 Date: Sat, 16 Aug 2008 22:34:43 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20080817053443.GC948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [orca-list] Another Place where Firefox Gets Stuck X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 05:34:27 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 If there is already a bug on this, I don't recall where it is. But I found another page where Orca's structural navigation gets stuck at the top of the page. Do the following to find this page. 1. Go into the search dialog with Ctrl-K. 2. Use the Alt-Down-Arrow key to open the other search engines and then choose Organize search engines (or sometyhing similar); this is where you can add more engines. 3. Select the link for finding more engines. 4. Start reading the page with down arrow key. When Orca says something about invalid grade. or something like that, That line will now repeat with every successive press of the down-arrow key. I have to either tab or use the h key to get me past that point. The rest of the page seems OK. I think it is these "Grade" descriptions that are causing the fits. I ran into this I think later near the bottom of this page too. - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIp7hzWSjv55S0LfERAxkMAJ40sWRqfqPhG5zMjD6Jcn5toWR+iACg5ei/ TBOmvIQEyfe2+hESbCSrOVI= =96uI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 07:15:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B4979750060 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:15:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2433 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.200.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9soWaQCeWcp2 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34FAF75006E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:15:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1568588wfg.9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:15:16 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=taZkpziNrmI8ZBStd+NSBu4/hK+BmNUpZqdTYAeptQI=; b=XYA4kvHJYaui98Z7eFbqGlKPbHFg3JswBZiM+gygCrryM3BMKpge+jb4Mx3Z89x+9u I4LA+RyThtWh4P6pRMs3phZ/EBGb2tCIP4urvSRfJ66CcVLgjZ+31Jh3OF3FKEpvkaQY OpISmPBMn4/8k6JifMtXLWJ7dIhuFeGsg20lg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=jC0n7dwpG1z+XL9k8hzU4VNTWOkyDH+V5p8zvCZHZl87gX2D8CeBUgsk/BvCroTCbX 7uXV+kF6JkRbDpYugtJ58QQWNqWs+8sOvwLJi9gxsqU+7/wKMi5pc4++D/f9729qwEDo lTy7PHLkr8dZLOCzUvEJ6kY2LpziDYzMtS9E8= Received: by 10.142.170.6 with SMTP id s6mr1611554wfe.102.1218957316339; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.18 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:15:16 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3752f20808170015xcfbffd8oc386472c5e62e5fb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:45:16 +0530 From: "Krishnakant Mane" To: "Orca E-mail List" In-Reply-To: <20080817052509.GA948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080817052509.GA948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Evince X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:15:24 -0000 hello every one. On 17/08/2008, Steve Holmes wrote: > > I don't remember if this has been brought up before or not, but I > tried to open a PDF document in Evince, the default viewer for such > documents in gnome under Slackware. I could never read any of the > text. With one file, I could use the flat review keys to see the > first page of text but all the scrolling and page navigation I could > think of would never change the text under flat review. Yes this issue has indeed been raised before. I have recently downloaded the source code of evince and looking at the points where we could talk with the hackers to make it better accessible. I would like to get some guidelines from orca hackers on this aspect. I particularly want to know which part of any gnome software should I look at with reference to accessibility linkage with orca? what scripts in orca are close to what I would like to script for evince? Please guide me on this so that I can start working on this important aspect. happy hacking. Krishnakant. From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 07:20:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD24875004D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:20:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2434 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.200.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TF7ZNa81dwDV for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:20:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA8FE75000B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:20:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1569580wfg.9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=E/F80TG/pNA9jLS43S3y9RMkApreGx23UMZQci3YOlY=; b=PPaXigmADCcHLMdPm0tIveEi8sYuQwqwPANskroRFqBA5ueQFS3IuXpTZKQQ/yaIec Ib7bpP6nSwFhX9MUM5/iaIDzSmIEQBSe4dntHcKgq4GrefWOPI9KVy2hrwZvnzE3GHMo ktnawOodasZ9LrcYEbQS1aFpGB2bd6RFxL+Xo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=j81NBdMdY+4t3ei32byswH76f4jJEk+WbnK3DDrJFoLfg/0dsv5w6EId8Ud48xRqKw zvRNzcHlzkN0Ia77/OxWMvcPmwKAtSb7WSRauVlBURPKhxMcf3/wJ+KyHJRGhLaw/SYV nR3a8C3geA4TIfctL4H7Vx3lIQ9odSfaZ4EuM= Received: by 10.142.136.16 with SMTP id j16mr1607805wfd.193.1218957614161; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.18 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 00:20:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3752f20808170020y7c1cb7fdv8f49aa60710a67d1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:50:14 +0530 From: "Krishnakant Mane" To: "Orca E-mail List" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] missing feature, orca should be announcing font attributes in firefox. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:20:24 -0000 On 17/08/2008, Steve Holmes wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > If there is already a bug on this, I don't recall where it is. But I > found another page where Orca's structural navigation gets stuck at > the top of the page. Do the following to find this page. > 1. Go into the search dialog with Ctrl-K. > 2. Use the Alt-Down-Arrow key to open the other search engines and > then choose Organize search engines (or sometyhing similar); this is > where you can add more engines. > 3. Select the link for finding more engines. > 4. Start reading the page with down arrow key. > When Orca says something about invalid grade. or something like that, > That line will now repeat with every successive press of the > down-arrow key. I have to either tab or use the h key to get me past > that point. The rest of the page seems OK. I think it is these > "Grade" descriptions that are causing the fits. I ran into this I > think later near the bottom of this page too. > > - -- > HolmesGrown Solutions > The best solutions for the best price! > http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIp7hzWSjv55S0LfERAxkMAJ40sWRqfqPhG5zMjD6Jcn5toWR+iACg5ei/ > TBOmvIQEyfe2+hESbCSrOVI= > =96uI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > hello all, As we all know that orca is already capable of announcing the font attributes like size, bold, italics and the font name in open office. This should be expected out of orca when working with web pages in firefox as well. there are many uses of this feature, for example reading a structured document on a web site can be done if orca announces the font attributes. how easy or difficult is this? happy hacking. Krishnakant. From d.dalton@iinet.net.au Sun Aug 17 07:55:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81037750060 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:55:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:52:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.59.1.107] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UCJ9B7AktAPq for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:55:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out2.iinet.net.au (outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out2.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.107]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 986D77500B2 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:55:34 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtMEADN2p0jSVBI1/2dsb2JhbACKCKdigVg X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,223,1217779200"; d="scan'208";a="355320184" Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([210.84.18.53]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out2.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 17 Aug 2008 15:55:32 +0800 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:55:31 +1000 From: Daniel Dalton To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20080817075531.GA4167@debian-hp.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [orca-list] no braille X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 07:55:43 -0000 Hi, How come there is no braille with orca even though braille is checked in the orca options dialog? What package do I need for braille to work with brltty or how do I get this working? Thanks, -- Daniel Dalton http://members.iinet.net.au/~ddalton/ From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Aug 17 08:15:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C96775006E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 787 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4llF-ux81luo for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 329E0750060 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7H8F3Vq003935 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:11 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7H8EsNq017340 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:14:54 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7H8EsgS017338 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:14:54 +1000 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 18:14:54 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080817081454.GA17326@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20080817075531.GA4167@debian-hp.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080817075531.GA4167@debian-hp.lan> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8051/Sat Aug 16 03:44:59 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] no braille X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 08:15:20 -0000 On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 05:55:31PM +1000, Daniel Dalton wrote: > How come there is no braille with orca even though braille is checked > in the orca options dialog? > What package do I need for braille to work with brltty or how do I get > this working? Have you installed python-brlapi? From tony.bernedal@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 10:59:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CCDD8750081 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:59:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TM=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2470 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.200.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vQHWnWc9oo0X for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:58:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7570750060 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:58:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1609059wfg.9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:58:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=VW5L3jHHhl4MMxzznUlwT2Is0LNdhz5eGToLTunxW2U=; b=iQiiXiP8ZuXhZwXvNxHmfgfb+fxcZa4/OFFx8pqCW9w2LIRFJo1vySR3mXRqudd93j Ej5W9RFtQ1ll8meVhNrw5rR3jOBxghreWaOHgoWNf0EVUTuxEg1YW0b57/dRvuwxq5gM 3WWMKNYCJ6l9fFanXcPJqqsmsFKW7TRjKdY+8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=GmhfxkdA5AomqGrXqciCV2mKX3lCfFPvwGu7zI4fx/b8ruAcXDgNx1ZsfimJ3OW6ms NMB9r/hSp9eaEdpqIy/43qNCsFD+k9eRlFDi2HY0Dxvndn+6NmNWy0I1VgDuAtb1it1K 5N4zdbJ2LfotLkGKmrlWDuD2TRqdjK7CxqNMU= Received: by 10.142.172.12 with SMTP id u12mr1653572wfe.116.1218970734759; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.58.3 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 03:58:54 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:58:54 +0200 From: "Tony Bernedal" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] rhytmbox accessability seams to be broken X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:59:02 -0000 Hi all. Maybe this have been talked about earlier but I have been off list for a while. Trying rhytmbox 0.11.5 wich now is included in my updated system. It looks like accessability is broken with this version and latest orca and accessability software. The player works if you point and click with the mouse but with orca you can do nothing. Anyone knows anything about it and if it is a known problem. All the best Tony From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 11:29:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79B0A75008B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:29:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2475 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.200.170] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id o2uNsB7Y5klG for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:29:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.170]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C05C675004D for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:29:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 23so1614757wfg.9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:29:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xZ5F/ok2cr1QOcF6y2z6Yl780ZVdpZqsV65Vw23eKDU=; b=IitkGqClL2p6Zgn46Tz9IKoUBDbMIiNtKwpG0pkxxzAVbrcIzKrVt+3hVs42H2f9aV C0DmM3CCJySIt8kD+q9gZDWDzwNcLIwpWU4UzxtfrCs9Dk23jkvH8wfE9uyd1CtU5/hN E+qDMYiu6v7Dm8YkTF7jaH49DqZvVHKKVh7qU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=NDq/aRp9OPr8Bzrye4CG5Da5jLdbriGBj3DkX6ZSp2GwLVW0V2VTubSO5TgqhiCqr6 SNOyUsJZUz5VzqYQA+DPWbhZwwU9uZ2EWUAKjsNzSJ3bAfa1jKtgNnnUVnPG6zbmUF3d LH3ixfabm6V0RsxMGpndNnlrSupwOt9LPT0a8= Received: by 10.142.223.20 with SMTP id v20mr1658393wfg.336.1218972576507; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.18 with HTTP; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 04:29:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3752f20808170429m197d55cbw6470c8bd5e0edf10@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:59:36 +0530 From: "Krishnakant Mane" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] why orca does not report labels for widgets in a pygtk based applications? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:29:42 -0000 hello, I am building a gtk based application using python. this implies that I am using pygtk in my application for the GUI. the strange thing I found with orcfa is that when the window is on the screen orca does not report the lables of the textbox or combo widgets or any widget which has a lable to its left. for example when I tab through name, address, telephone ... orca does not read the respective lables and only says "text, text text ". Only when I use the flat review then I get the lable captions? I am sure since all other gtk apps are accessible in this context, that is to say, in all other gtk applications orca announces the lable, then I must e missing some thing. I might not be setting some attributes which is core for this kind of accessibility. For example in java, there is a "setLabelFor(widget)" method. is there any thing similar in pygtk where I can associate a lable with a widget? happy hacking. Krishnakant. From jochen@jochenskulj.de Sun Aug 17 14:01:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F470750007 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:01:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [81.169.146.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GiGfjTrKPrAn for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:01:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D94975006E for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:01:00 +0000 (GMT) X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-AUTH: :JmMHfUWmW/XBHlNMWo27EHF3kP8gDTkN55+XfpcPJD8zYIYqn7kqfWAMsZ6v Received: from [192.168.2.103] (p5B366321.dip.t-dialin.net [91.54.99.33]) by post.webmailer.de (mrclete mo61) (RZmta 16.47) with ESMTP id o03921k7HC6mSI for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:00:58 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from: ) From: Jochen Skulj To: orca Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-oTZG8gXq5szmrVQ08OEW" Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:00:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1218981657.7989.45.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Orca keynames X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 14:01:09 -0000 --=-oTZG8gXq5szmrVQ08OEW Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I just started to update the German translation of Orca but I've got problems in understanding the meaning of following keynames: - multi key: I am not sure which key is meant. I found a Wikipedia article [1] which says that the compose key is also known as a multi key. Reading this I would assume that the multi/compose key is a special key which is only found on Sun or DEC keyboards, but not on =C2=BBtypical= =C2=AB PC keyboards. - mode switch: from my point of view there are different keys for switching modes like Shft, Alt or Crtl. I don't know if one of these keys is meant or if there is a separate mode switching key which I don't know yet. - home key: the home key is the opposite to the end key [2]. I assume that the home key is the same key as Pos1. Is this correct or is there a difference between the home and Pos1 key? - begin key: I haven't found anything about a begin key. Is this the same key as Pos1 or is there a difference? It would helpful if you could comment my assumptions and my questions so that I can look for a proper German translation or leave the strings untranslated if there is no German translation. Apart from these few issues you provide really great and helpful comments for translators. Thank you for your efforts to support the translators. Cheers, Jochen [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_key --=20 Jochen Skulj http://www.jochenskulj.de=20 GPG Key-ID: 0x37B2F0B8 Finger Print: F239 5D8D 97CD F91F 9D08 AE94 AA3B 1ED5 37B2 F0B8 --=-oTZG8gXq5szmrVQ08OEW Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIqC8Zqjse1Tey8LgRAucRAJ9taDn9Wjy+smp8r1wgHG9s0qLK4QCfVFD7 Fv8kNSxmvT/YBtCK8ZLm6k8= =JMBU -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-oTZG8gXq5szmrVQ08OEW-- From spangler.robert@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 16:27:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A81427500C2 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:27:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm1340911yxd.2.2008.08.17.09.27.42 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 17 Aug 2008 09:27:43 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A8515C.601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:27:08 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080816030410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Composing Messages in Thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:27:52 -0000 Hello all, When composing a message in Thunderbird, the cursor does not seem to move while I am writing. That is, when I am finished writing an email, one would think that, when I hit the down arrow, I would be at the bottom of the message; however, it starts me at the top or the last position that I moved the arrows to. This is odd because when I backspace it does delete the character before the cursor. What's going on here? Robby From deprice@cs.utah.edu Sun Aug 17 16:57:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 690F37500D0 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:57:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 5272 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OEdcWzZLiJ3P for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:57:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 337D97500C7 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:57:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EE1B65009C; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:57:24 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eFu-kDq1IlBf; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6DAD365008D; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:57:17 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: From: "David E. Price" To: "Robert Spangler" , References: <48A8515C.601@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 10:57:36 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Composing Messages in Thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 16:57:34 -0000 Hi, I have filed a bug for this problem. You can see the bug here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547496 Adding a comment to the bug might get it fixed faster. :-) dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Spangler" To: Sent: Sunday, August 17, 2008 10:27 AM Subject: [orca-list] Composing Messages in Thunderbird > Hello all, > > When composing a message in Thunderbird, the cursor does not seem to > move while I am writing. That is, when I am finished writing an email, > one would think that, when I hit the down arrow, I would be at the > bottom of the message; however, it starts me at the top or the last > position that I moved the arrows to. This is odd because when I > backspace it does delete the character before the cursor. What's going > on here? > > Robby > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Aug 17 17:05:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23D4A7500E1 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:05:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iIJV0mcWYqKv for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:05:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB70E7500E9 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:05:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B2104E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.4.232]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KUlhI07vT-0006fC; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:05:44 +0200 From: Hermann To: Robert Spangler In-Reply-To: <48A8515C.601@gmail.com> (Robert Spangler's message of "Sun, 17 Aug 2008 12:27:08 -0400") References: <48A8515C.601@gmail.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:05:47 +0200 Message-ID: <87k5eflggk.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/+JhXptlpDaoGaFFuXGL6hlPjrhqDZ786k8rl afbZL4VQzd2i5tcMheZ0nR7C0kJtFzwrrlLIzxbS1UmhN570C1 yH34b0CP6i1PeWrYShHRA== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Composing Messages in Thunderbird X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:05:54 -0000 On 17.08.2008 at 18:27:08 Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello all, > > When composing a message in Thunderbird, the cursor does not seem to > move while I am writing. That is, when I am finished writing an > email, one would think that, when I hit the down arrow, I would be at > the bottom of the message; however, it starts me at the top or the > last position that I moved the arrows to. This is odd because when I > backspace it does delete the character before the cursor. What's > going on here? > Try to switch to Gecko control for the cursor (Orca+F12). Hermann From deprice@cs.utah.edu Sun Aug 17 17:19:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EA4A75015F for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:19:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 5275 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QRFcvq2CqonC for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:19:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6266575019B for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:19:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 115A46500A9; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:19:14 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D5kiczdG4NBc; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:19:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0A73E65009E; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:19:12 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: From: "David E. Price" To: "Steve Holmes" , "Orca E-mail List" References: <20080817052509.GA948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:19:32 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Evince X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:19:40 -0000 Hi, Steve, I've used Adobe's acroread with Orca. It allows me to read documents, but a lot of internal stuff, like bookmarks, don't work. For more information, go here: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleApps If you want to stick with Evince and flat review, you might try pressing keypad-minus after pressing the page down key. Theoretically, this routes flat review to the current cursor position. However, in testing flat review for Thunderbird, I found that this will refresh the flat review buffer when the page down or page up key fail to cause the buffer to be refreshed. Good luck, dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" To: "Orca E-mail List" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:25 PM Subject: [orca-list] Evince > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > I don't remember if this has been brought up before or not, but I > tried to open a PDF document in Evince, the default viewer for such > documents in gnome under Slackware. I could never read any of the > text. With one file, I could use the flat review keys to see the > first page of text but all the scrolling and page navigation I could > think of would never change the text under flat review. Also with > that same document, I was able to traverse the table of contents in a > tree table; the arrow keys read that table just fine but when I tabbed > over to the document view, All I would hear is "icon" followed by a > number of so many. Arrowing around inside this document view was > completely unusable. Is it not possible to read PDF files with > gnome/orca? Should I be using something other than evince for this > task? > > Thanks. > - -- > HolmesGrown Solutions > The best solutions for the best price! > http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIp7Y1WSjv55S0LfERA2r7AKCsyYzRnSy1O64uBr3BABKe3wLiVwCeIgEO > G5oS30CjqwkAxRUZCGDelfw= > =pT/l > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From deprice@cs.utah.edu Sun Aug 17 17:27:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6BCD1750136 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:27:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 5275 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jt6mjImBJAi3 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:27:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF23675007F for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:27:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EA7F6500A9; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:27:07 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OnY-OgZTJIRk; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:27:07 -0600 (MDT) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 7F89D65009E; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:27:06 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: From: "David E. Price" To: "Steve Holmes" , "Orca E-mail List" References: <20080817053443.GC948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:27:25 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another Place where Firefox Gets Stuck X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:27:24 -0000 Hi, Steve, I just took a look through the Orca bug list, and this is the closest bug to what you describe that is currently open: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=414762 Take a look and see if it looks the same. dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Holmes" To: "Orca E-mail List" Sent: Saturday, August 16, 2008 11:34 PM Subject: [orca-list] Another Place where Firefox Gets Stuck > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > If there is already a bug on this, I don't recall where it is. But I > found another page where Orca's structural navigation gets stuck at > the top of the page. Do the following to find this page. > 1. Go into the search dialog with Ctrl-K. > 2. Use the Alt-Down-Arrow key to open the other search engines and > then choose Organize search engines (or sometyhing similar); this is > where you can add more engines. > 3. Select the link for finding more engines. > 4. Start reading the page with down arrow key. > When Orca says something about invalid grade. or something like that, > That line will now repeat with every successive press of the > down-arrow key. I have to either tab or use the h key to get me past > that point. The rest of the page seems OK. I think it is these > "Grade" descriptions that are causing the fits. I ran into this I > think later near the bottom of this page too. > > - -- > HolmesGrown Solutions > The best solutions for the best price! > http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIp7hzWSjv55S0LfERAxkMAJ40sWRqfqPhG5zMjD6Jcn5toWR+iACg5ei/ > TBOmvIQEyfe2+hESbCSrOVI= > =96uI > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Aug 17 17:31:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA237750070 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:31:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p42DoAfjzyJw for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:31:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D4D750090 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:30:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B2104E8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.4.232]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1KUm5S2kEO-0001rv; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:30:43 +0200 From: Hermann To: "David E. Price" In-Reply-To: (David E. Price's message of "Sun, 17 Aug 2008 11:19:32 -0600") References: <20080817052509.GA948@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 19:30:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87fxp3lfax.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1998/5zlTPV0suf60Bqiir1PN8TKSUczvgQYoU 3JnDxXwGmkh4lNPvK8c6OdjhYtOW95vZYX/bcffU9QP9EgGwTK cUAwpe/XDHwjrQHHrpQ8g== Cc: Orca E-mail List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Evince X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:31:09 -0000 On 17.08.2008 at 19:19:32 "David E. Price" wrote: > Hi, Steve, > > I've used Adobe's acroread with Orca. It allows me to read documents, > but a lot of internal stuff, like bookmarks, don't work. For more > information, go here: > > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleApps > > If you want to stick with Evince and flat review, you might try > pressing keypad-minus after pressing the page down key. Theoretically, > this routes flat review to the current cursor position. However, in > testing flat review for Thunderbird, I found that this will refresh > the flat review buffer when the page down or page up key fail to cause > the buffer to be refreshed. > You might also use a script provided by Javier. It starts evince, copies the whole content to the clipboard and pastes it into Gedit. I think you can find it in the Orca wiki, but I've forgotten the place; I guess in the section dealing with PDF. Hermann From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 17 17:45:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D25AF750136 for ; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:45:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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Price" , Orca E-mail List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Evince X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 17:45:40 -0000 hello hackers. On 17/08/2008, Hermann wrote: > On 17.08.2008 at 19:19:32 "David E. Price" wrote: > >> Hi, Steve, >> >> I've used Adobe's acroread with Orca. It allows me to read documents, >> but a lot of internal stuff, like bookmarks, don't work. For more >> information, go here: >> >> http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleApps >> 2 problems with this approach are. 1, evince is free acrobat reader is not. 2, the former comes installed by default so one needs to install acrobat. and by the way it is a wrong idea to promote proprietory software on a free software distro with a free screen reader. I think the script suggested by herman is a good temperory solution, but this needs serious attention. happy hacking. Krishnakant. From steve@holmesgrown.com Mon Aug 18 05:11:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE8AD7500B7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:11:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id knA0NGiJbRyx for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:11:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (fed1rmmtao102.cox.net [68.230.241.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A329D750085 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:11:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao102.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080818051118.SNFI6684.fed1rmmtao102.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:18 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3hBH1a00E2rzSAG03hBHCG; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:18 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUx1T-0002UA-U2 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:19 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUx1s-0001D0-3S for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:44 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:11:44 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080818051143.GA3933@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <8d3752f20808170020y7c1cb7fdv8f49aa60710a67d1@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <8d3752f20808170020y7c1cb7fdv8f49aa60710a67d1@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [orca-list] missing feature, orca should be announcing font attributes in firefox. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:11:28 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 12:50:14PM +0530, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello all, > As we all know that orca is already capable of announcing the font > attributes like size, bold, italics and the font name in open office. > This should be expected out of orca when working with web pages in > firefox as well. > there are many uses of this feature, for example reading a structured > document on a web site can be done if orca announces the font > attributes. > how easy or difficult is this? Yes, I ran into the same problem yesterday while looking around the resources for building your own search engines for Firefox. They mentioned some bolded or highlighted text so I wanted to try the attribute key in Orca and alas, it did not work. It would sure be nice to have that functioning in Firefox. I wasn't aware of any places where this wasn't expected to work. - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIqQSPWSjv55S0LfERAwDcAJ9IEfcupQRvfZjYP+Yk8fi3fZ1KbwCgmVG1 tDgcAAfLeporoVGsTN17ae8= =moWJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From steve@holmesgrown.com Mon Aug 18 05:14:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8516E750085 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:14:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, TW_TM=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 17, link: ethernet/modem), [68.230.241.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nr7Dy3xxYeQQ for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (fed1rmmtao103.cox.net [68.230.241.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70C9A7500B2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:14:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao103.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080818051349.WWXN6482.fed1rmmtao103.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:13:49 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3hDq1a00J2rzSAG03hDqsf; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:13:50 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUx3w-0002UE-K6 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:13:52 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KUx4K-0001Ek-Mz for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:14:16 -0700 Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2008 22:14:16 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080818051416.GB3933@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: Re: [orca-list] rhytmbox accessability seams to be broken X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:14:11 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Frankly, I never felt a11y to be good enough with Rythm Box. I gave up on that ap a long time ago. IO use totem movie player while in gnome and mplayer from the console. On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 12:58:54PM +0200, Tony Bernedal wrote: > Hi all. > Maybe this have been talked about earlier but I have been off list for a while. > Trying rhytmbox 0.11.5 wich now is included in my updated system. It > looks like accessability is broken with this version and latest orca > and accessability software. > The player works if you point and click with the mouse but with orca > you can do nothing. > Anyone knows anything about it and if it is a known problem. > All the best > Tony > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIqQUoWSjv55S0LfERA/HNAKDYusD2O6qKhQQyW2tqUrKHQGbzyQCg2LI4 02PHw+6D0yDxKKff+/M0CKY= =p+5K -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Mon Aug 18 05:53:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 07A3B7500B2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:53:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:53:35 -0000 Dear all, The issue of speaking font attributes in firefox is already filed here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434780 Previously this was a firefox bug, but this has been remedied in firefox 3.1. Thanks -Jon On Sun 17/08/2008 at 22:11:44, Steve Holmes wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 12:50:14PM +0530, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > > hello all, > > As we all know that orca is already capable of announcing the font > > attributes like size, bold, italics and the font name in open office. > > This should be expected out of orca when working with web pages in > > firefox as well. > > there are many uses of this feature, for example reading a structured > > document on a web site can be done if orca announces the font > > attributes. > > how easy or difficult is this? > > Yes, I ran into the same problem yesterday while looking around the > resources for building your own search engines for Firefox. They > mentioned some bolded or highlighted text so I wanted to try the > attribute key in Orca and alas, it did not work. It would sure be > nice to have that functioning in Firefox. I wasn't aware of any > places where this wasn't expected to work. > - -- > HolmesGrown Solutions > The best solutions for the best price! > http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIqQSPWSjv55S0LfERAwDcAJ9IEfcupQRvfZjYP+Yk8fi3fZ1KbwCgmVG1 > tDgcAAfLeporoVGsTN17ae8= > =moWJ > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Mon Aug 18 05:57:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9B94A7500B7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:57:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 05:57:50 -0000 Hi Krishnakant, It sounds like you have not set the accessibility relations between the labels and textboxes. i.e. for each label edit the "label_for" property, and put the name of the textbox, and for each textbox edit the "labeled_by" property to the name of the label. I think the relation specifically needs to be two way before the accessibility kicks in. Good luck. -Jon On Sun 17/08/2008 at 16:59:36, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello, > I am building a gtk based application using python. > this implies that I am using pygtk in my application for the GUI. > the strange thing I found with orcfa is that when the window is on the > screen orca does not report the lables of the textbox or combo widgets > or any widget which has a lable to its left. > for example when I tab through name, address, telephone ... orca does > not read the respective lables and only says "text, text text ". Only > when I use the flat review then I get the lable captions? > I am sure since all other gtk apps are accessible in this context, > that is to say, in all other gtk applications orca announces the > lable, then I must e missing some thing. I might not be setting some > attributes which is core for this kind of accessibility. > For example in java, there is a "setLabelFor(widget)" method. is > there any thing similar in pygtk where I can associate a lable with a > widget? > happy hacking. > Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From tony.bernedal@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 08:11:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 832C17500B7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_TM=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8767 hrs), (distance 14, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.198.238] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z7rKSvpKOeAj for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DB927500BA for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so1677745rvb.3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=M8v3HuJT6FejOLFCLMRnUzldRI+hoEQnomjHb9prXhY=; b=a544FuF+bp+sGV3iR5NiHiDIn9MC0FtW6M8sk7njJOsGxSgZr9K/HPZ4NEPV5EqM3r FBCY4CQvhHUQslh2lolLb8saqyJ9gTbZGQeFpy2ZmAP3uYlyLI/hjXY1nSUzbnPPFG9g mE28tjrycJj0MqufYBbknIbb/vBQ6dtOVUsLo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=LBOJroeDueRZIvYAr7WNnH3G7YV837VxRi/OzhlbF2CRbF/qFcU3ZslyVbE1pcZA5v XtCn4YLa5LgufZ5zo69dnfnnthgwBp0XF+/XmHg2qaPv6wE2iUYNk7tr6dKbiHN8uHFc 7xICTyQdKainWvOtP9Od+CVbDqBUPtd5N25h8= Received: by 10.142.188.4 with SMTP id l4mr1941752wff.183.1219047084657; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.58.3 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 01:11:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:11:24 +0200 From: tony.bernedal@gmail.com To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20080818051416.GB3933@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline References: <20080818051416.GB3933@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Subject: Re: [orca-list] rhytmbox accessability seams to be broken X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:11:36 -0000 Hi. The problem is solved. Something was wrong with the window so maximizing the window get speech back again. All the best Tony 2008/8/18, Steve Holmes : > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: RIPEMD160 > > Frankly, I never felt a11y to be good enough with Rythm Box. I gave > up on that ap a long time ago. IO use totem movie player while in > gnome and mplayer from the console. > > On Sun, Aug 17, 2008 at 12:58:54PM +0200, Tony Bernedal wrote: >> Hi all. >> Maybe this have been talked about earlier but I have been off list for a >> while. >> Trying rhytmbox 0.11.5 wich now is included in my updated system. It >> looks like accessability is broken with this version and latest orca >> and accessability software. >> The player works if you point and click with the mouse but with orca >> you can do nothing. >> Anyone knows anything about it and if it is a known problem. >> All the best >> Tony >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > - -- > HolmesGrown Solutions > The best solutions for the best price! > http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- > Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) > > iD8DBQFIqQUoWSjv55S0LfERA/HNAKDYusD2O6qKhQQyW2tqUrKHQGbzyQCg2LI4 > 02PHw+6D0yDxKKff+/M0CKY=3D > =3Dp+5K > -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > --=20 H=E4lsningar Tony From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 18 13:28:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 606637500CF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:28:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lG-8v4jEAGTo for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:28:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A014E7500B5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:28:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7IDSGgu011390 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:28:16 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5S00M01SZS6B00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:28:16 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5S006SRTF31V80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 07:28:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:26:52 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1218981657.7989.45.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jochen Skulj Message-id: <48A9789C.90100@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <1218981657.7989.45.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca keynames X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:28:25 -0000 > I just started to update the German translation of Orca but I've got > problems in understanding the meaning of following keynames: Thanks for your hard work! > - multi key: I am not sure which key is meant. I found a Wikipedia > article [1] which says that the compose key is also known as a multi > key. Reading this I would assume that the multi/compose key is a special > key which is only found on Sun or DEC keyboards, but not on »typical« PC > keyboards. I think you are correct. The "Compose" key on my Sun keyboard, but not my PC keyboard. xmodmap shows it is mapped to "Multi_key" in my Sun keymap, and xmodmap on Ubuntu shows "Multi_key" doesn't exist in the default keymap on Ubuntu. > - mode switch: from my point of view there are different keys for > switching modes like Shft, Alt or Crtl. I don't know if one of these > keys is meant or if there is a separate mode switching key which I don't > know yet. On my Sun keyboard, this is mapped to the physical key that is labelled "Alt Graph" and it is bound to Mod 3. I cannot find what it it mapped to on my Ubuntu box. > - home key: the home key is the opposite to the end key [2]. I assume > that the home key is the same key as Pos1. Is this correct or is there a > difference between the home and Pos1 key? I believe Home == Pos1 for the German layout. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keyboard_layout#Germany_and_Austria_.28but_not_Switzerland.29 > - begin key: I haven't found anything about a begin key. Is this the > same key as Pos1 or is there a difference? This is usually bound to the keypad 5 key (try "xmodmap -pk | grep -i begin"). I have no clue what it does. Thanks for your work! Will > [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compose_key > [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_key > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Aug 18 15:19:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7729750095 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:19:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tA3H9fCKRRL3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:19:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C04A07500A5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:19:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p5B210CA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.12.166]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML21M-1KV6WH1gDr-0007xz; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:19:46 +0200 Message-ID: <48A99314.4030503@onlinehome.de> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:19:48 +0200 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Willie Walker References: <1218981657.7989.45.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> <48A9789C.90100@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48A9789C.90100@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FwQUsUkdE7ezG7ANqJDARh9qNKMVXyz2Fyny 2xdooG09DExVL8k0ktYNqAm6j5SHv+lKjLrcAfQHj40QoSiwXN qtDH8OK7eyAJazJFKV6iQ== Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca keynames X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:19:55 -0000 Willie Walker schrieb: >> I just started to update the German translation of Orca but I've got >> problems in understanding the meaning of following keynames: > > Thanks for your hard work! [...] >> - mode switch: from my point of view there are different keys for >> switching modes like Shft, Alt or Crtl. I don't know if one of these >> keys is meant or if there is a separate mode switching key which I don't >> know yet. > > On my Sun keyboard, this is mapped to the physical key that is labelled > "Alt Graph" and it is bound to Mod 3. I cannot find what it it mapped > to on my Ubuntu box. > Perhaps the right Alt key in German: "Rechte Alttaste". or "Alt+gr". >> - begin key: I haven't found anything about a begin key. Is this the >> same key as Pos1 or is there a difference? > > This is usually bound to the keypad 5 key (try "xmodmap -pk | grep -i > begin"). I have no clue what it does. > In German: "nummernblock 5" or "Num 5". Hermann From spangler.robert@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 15:27:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 846B1750094 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:27:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 4sm268520yxd.2.2008.08.18.08.27.08 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 08:27:08 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A994A4.70703@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:26:28 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080816030410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Adjusting Punctuation with Orca and Speech-Dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:27:19 -0000 Hello all, Does anyone on here use Speech-Dispatcher instead of the Gnome-Speech system? I purchased Voxin to use with it and I can't figure out how to get it to read any punctuation. I don't know if this question would be more appropriate on another list but if someone could tell me how to remedy this problem I would greatly appreciate it. Also, on links and some other elements, the pitch of the voice increases. Thanks, Robby From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Aug 18 15:40:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D04DB7500E8 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:40:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7FuqGzf0s-d5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:40:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 24A7D7500A2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:40:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.23] (p5B210CA6.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.12.166]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1KV6qM3hE6-0001Qx; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:40:31 +0200 Message-ID: <48A997F2.3080708@onlinehome.de> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:40:34 +0200 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Spangler References: <48A994A4.70703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A994A4.70703@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/WXPm+WKoD+sShqlMiQPJoRxHPeQOY/XVj1NF 2xWbAyuBVTHWwTfW8kPkuTXgNz3p1UBiUWS0BKFWfSmhjuWPEI enwLDDk7b9mNjqMrFCzIA== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Adjusting Punctuation with Orca and Speech-Dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:40:44 -0000 Robert Spangler schrieb: > Hello all, > > Does anyone on here use Speech-Dispatcher instead of the Gnome-Speech > system? I purchased Voxin to use with it and I can't figure out how to > get it to read any punctuation. I don't know if this question would be > more appropriate on another list but if someone could tell me how to > remedy this problem I would greatly appreciate it. Also, on links and > some other elements, the pitch of the voice increases. > You have to adjust punctuation in the SD config files. I don't know on which system you use SD, because the location of the needed files depends on the used system: System wide files are located in: /etc/speech-dispatcher/ and /etc/speech-dispatcher/modules. In case you're using Hardy the files are located in /home/youruser/.speech-dispatcher/conf. The pitch of spoken elements you find in the Orca preferences dialog in the speech tab. Hermann From chris.w1gm@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 16:18:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FB9C750085 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:18:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8848 hrs), (distance 14, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.198.238] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3LjfVyP31FgI for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rv-out-0506.google.com (rv-out-0506.google.com [209.85.198.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9018275008E for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:18:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: by rv-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id f6so1821833rvb.3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:18:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition:user-agent; bh=M8luwmk1IRr6PU/ZwpTYeB9oOj6Z08MW+Uk1/9fB2gE=; b=UzKvNv9UM4l+qv1MRKsgGeaPZweLIkoEH050s+4hM0FhhvRTWWDwbA1iHoUUu/vjCj E/lFBk+WbqKWt7dNM1CyrVyIAJS/+cWpOe8Sc4BMUSZeOIh7ILrXiUU43gTCbyo9VvlN oVo6uLih4D63g+unFjm6IHmg66hZ8OBIpbCYU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:mime-version:content-type :content-disposition:user-agent; b=Fz2j8Ba36v9oB7Yp78gN2EMr+6a7ME4ERpBMFZGFrH5ttf2/GeIo7xoinjpaOygaE7 mgPjZRFMNCkIjDGoiNzyhYUT+cEXgt+denPwD37lR9wBUoUsDcq1MMxgybFtlXVleRpv /UrU9XyBFZ1aVEsyDT8QxmymF7YNys+u4h7BM= Received: by 10.140.247.11 with SMTP id u11mr3382976rvh.37.1219076320943; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:18:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edgy ( [68.163.240.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g22sm9873697rvb.8.2008.08.18.09.18.38 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:18:39 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:18:34 -0400 From: Christopher Moore To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080818161832.GA5701@edgy> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: [orca-list] network-admin and wireless config X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:18:48 -0000 Hello, I'm trying to connect to my wireless network using network-admin. Orca shows the "wireless not configured" message, but I can't figure out how to get into the configuration screens. Has anyone done this with Orca? tia Chris From guyster@bex.net Mon Aug 18 16:53:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FBC750158 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:53:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 9123 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ElYyU4gIDFfn for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:53:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0102.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2378F750200 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:51:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FECB6C1768 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:51:58 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm04 Received: by sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f07808) id sj1-dm04.48a37325.11857f for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 09:51:55 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pIqair57Pj5QIAAAAB,1dc9a1a4d8e67f16cae0659d9335bb7c X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:51:45 -0400 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Guy Schlosser Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> Subject: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 16:53:11 -0000 Hi all, is there a problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? I upgraded to intrepid on a machine that does not have speech-dispatcher installed, and have no speech. I tried to reinstall orca, but according to a sighted friend of mine, the orca window is there, but silent. I had him quit orca, and reload it, and I got an error in the terminal that said "unable to establish connection with speech." Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. Thanks, Guy From hammera@pickup.hu Mon Aug 18 17:11:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB30A7500A8 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.293 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 910 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [89.251.32.12] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dv4j7heuRbCG for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4D213750090 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [89.251.40.200]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 57DA5E8473 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:26:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48A9AB13.6070405@pickup.hu> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:02:11 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 2008.08.18), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:11:10 -0000 Dear List! Uh oh, this is my same problem, but live cd boot. Attila From steve@holmesgrown.com Mon Aug 18 17:13:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77166750085 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:13:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PorCH62hdChR for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:13:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (fed1rmmtao106.cox.net [68.230.241.40]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C3BAE7500BC for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:13:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fed1rmimpo01.cox.net ([70.169.32.71]) by fed1rmmtao106.cox.net (InterMail vM.7.08.02.01 201-2186-121-102-20070209) with ESMTP id <20080818171349.NOYY8615.fed1rmmtao106.cox.net@fed1rmimpo01.cox.net> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:49 -0400 Received: from lnx2.holmesgrown.com ([72.208.219.132]) by fed1rmimpo01.cox.net with bizsmtp id 3tDp1a00Z2rzSAG03tDpYi; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:13:50 -0400 Received: from lnx3.holmesgrown.com ([192.168.1.5] ident=8) by lnx2.holmesgrown.com with esmtp (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KV8If-00037z-Ps for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:13:49 -0700 Received: from steve by lnx3.holmesgrown.com with local (Exim 4.62) (envelope-from ) id 1KV8If-0000do-Iz for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:13:49 -0700 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:13:49 -0700 From: Steve Holmes To: Orca E-mail List Message-ID: <20080818171349.GA2459@lnx3.holmesgrown.com> Mail-Followup-To: Orca E-mail List MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; x-action=pgp-signed Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [orca-list] List Requests X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:13:59 -0000 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: RIPEMD160 Does anyone know if the list server (mailman) is having troubles? I'm trying to subscribe myself from a gmail address but I never get anything back from the server. I can get a help message back but no subscription confirmations or any of that. I am using orca-list-request@gnome.org for the address and then put subscribe in the subject. That gives me nothing. If I put help in the subject line, I get a help message for the response really soon. So what might be wrong here? - -- HolmesGrown Solutions The best solutions for the best price! http://holmesgrown.ld.net/ -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFIqa3NWSjv55S0LfERA8zGAKC4/CQUgM4WrtNJWlqkFHPGpu40awCeLpNv uIWSoi+VrhnJKrDz3X7AES4= =TQaR -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Aug 18 17:15:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5355175004D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:15:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.473 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.473 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.126, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11725 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7cA2PuDYw0lX for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:15:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B8DF7500BC for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:15:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id BFC0E602DE78; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:15:17 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gkCMGezPNbtV; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:15:11 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (pc-cerhatom.tartarnet.cz [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E586162EEE; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:02:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48A9AB26.8010308@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:02:30 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Robert Spangler References: <48A994A4.70703@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48A994A4.70703@gmail.com> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Adjusting Punctuation with Orca and Speech-Dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:15:35 -0000 Robert Spangler wrote: > Does anyone on here use Speech-Dispatcher instead of the Gnome-Speech > system? I purchased Voxin to use with it and I can't figure out how to > get it to read any punctuation. Which punctuation level have you set in Orca preferences? Are you sure you use the Speech Dispatcher's native module called 'ibmtts'? Does the punctuation work with some other module, such as espeak? > I don't know if this question would be > more appropriate on another list Yes, see http://www.freebsoft.org/speechd. Best regards, Tomas From cerha@brailcom.org Mon Aug 18 17:23:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE817500B8 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.474 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.474 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.125, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11725 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7Y-V8z9KS1y7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02CCD750004 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2A6B060001A6; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:23:39 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yfhzl6O73paa; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:23:32 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (pc-cerhatom.tartarnet.cz [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E07AD6035C78; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:13:26 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48A9ADBA.5060907@brailcom.org> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:13:30 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Schlosser References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:23:46 -0000 Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, is there a problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? I upgraded to > intrepid on a machine that does not have speech-dispatcher installed, > and have no speech. I tried to reinstall orca, but according to a > sighted friend of mine, the orca window is there, but silent. I had him > quit orca, and reload it, and I got an error in the terminal that said > "unable to establish connection with speech." Any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. If you were using Speech Dispatcher before, Orca is most likely still configured to use it. You can either install Speech Dispatcher again or switch to Gnome Speech by manually editing your .orca/user-settings.py. I believe that commenting out the lines with 'speechServerFactory' and 'speechServerInfo' should do the trick. Ideally, Orca should detect such situations and switch to next available speech service automatically if possible. Best regards, Tomas From garrettklein@comcast.net Mon Aug 18 17:30:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1716875007E for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [76.96.62.17] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0VH0KhziZsKI for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08BA0750078 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.60]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3mjo1a0091HzFnQ5AtW3gB; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:03 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([68.57.215.48]) by OMTA14.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 3tW21a00V13DaEU3atW3YF; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:03 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jbPhHHNV1WcA:10 a=D0w73NXsA6gA:10 a=4SFpouv6l3Y89x3j_gcA:9 a=hHygQ-z7fRK_bSF8TOn5qVEMnHUA:4 a=b8hG5vVbyAkA:10 Message-ID: <48A9B199.1050601@comcast.net> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:30:01 -0400 From: Garrett Klein User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0a2pre (X11; 2008081700) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: speakup@braille.uwo.ca, orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Linux 2.6.26.2 Debian/Ubuntu kernel with speakup, anyone interested? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:12 -0000 Hello all, I've compiled a 2.6.26.2 kernel with package with speakup from git, support for the new 802.11N Intel wireless cards, but otherwise identical to the standard Ubuntu kernel. At the moment I only have an x86-64 version, but I can compile an i386 package if desired. If enough of you guys are interested I'll post it on my ftp site. Garrett From guyster@bex.net Mon Aug 18 17:37:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BD4CE75006D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 9131 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.38] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RaF4bW2uyzWo for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0102.mta.everyone.net (imta-38.everyone.net [216.200.145.38]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB5E75004D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dm52.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0102.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E9216C21E3; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:37:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm52 Received: by dm52.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f07808) id dm52.48a3731a.11d0cc; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:37:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pIqbNBssmEwgIAAAAC,9e51cdc8cabb92e27896e4bd62b36c37 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:36:55 -0400 To: Tomas Cerha From: Guy Schlosser In-Reply-To: <48A9ADBA.5060907@brailcom.org> References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> <48A9ADBA.5060907@brailcom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080818103705.BE7947F4@dm52.mta.everyone.net> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:37:18 -0000 Hey there Tomas, unfortunately, speech-dispatcher was never installed on that machine. I was gonna do that before I upgraded, but I was curious to test gnome-speech in intrepid, to see how it was working. If I install s-d on that machine now, will that give me speech back, if I did maybe an orca -t and selected speech-dispatcher? Thanks, Guy At 01:13 PM 8/18/2008, Tomas Cerha wrote: >Guy Schlosser wrote: > > Hi all, is there a problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? I upgraded to > > intrepid on a machine that does not have speech-dispatcher installed, > > and have no speech. I tried to reinstall orca, but according to a > > sighted friend of mine, the orca window is there, but silent. I had him > > quit orca, and reload it, and I got an error in the terminal that said > > "unable to establish connection with speech." Any suggestions would be > > greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. > >If you were using Speech Dispatcher before, Orca is most likely still >configured to use it. You can either install Speech Dispatcher again or >switch to Gnome Speech by manually editing your .orca/user-settings.py. > I believe that commenting out the lines with 'speechServerFactory' and >'speechServerInfo' should do the trick. Ideally, Orca should detect >such situations and switch to next available speech service >automatically if possible. > >Best regards, Tomas From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 18 17:44:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC093750296 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:44:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5091 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0YWtgniRfT+Q for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:44:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2912A7502A2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:43:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 15AEE2A015B; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:41:28 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t1cxiQOEyHKx; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:41:27 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id E42732A015A; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:41:26 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48A9B4B2.6010305@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:43:14 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080815032547) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Schlosser References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:44:54 -0000 Hi, I've tried intrepid without success. Recently I downloaded a live CD and boot my computer using this CD. Orca is activated but no speech. I know that this doesn't help much, sorry. Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hi all, is there a problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? I upgraded to > intrepid on a machine that does not have speech-dispatcher installed, > and have no speech. I tried to reinstall orca, but according to a > sighted friend of mine, the orca window is there, but silent. I had him > quit orca, and reload it, and I got an error in the terminal that said > "unable to establish connection with speech." Any suggestions would be > greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From rexxe@tutopia.com Mon Aug 18 17:53:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3AE69750453 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:53:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 5035 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.79] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gohO-FSuuDCj for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:53:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail09mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.79]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB1307502DF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:50:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 23750 invoked from network); 18 Aug 2008 17:50:31 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.144]) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail09mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 18 Aug 2008 17:50:25 -0000 Message-ID: <48A9B657.4040304@tutopia.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:50:15 -0400 From: mk360 User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080817030506) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Schlosser References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> <48A9ADBA.5060907@brailcom.org> <20080818103705.BE7947F4@dm52.mta.everyone.net> In-Reply-To: <20080818103705.BE7947F4@dm52.mta.everyone.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:53:32 -0000 When I upgraded my hardy to intrepid had a similar problem but the problem has been solved installing gnome speech from source. Regards, mk. Guy Schlosser wrote: > Hey there Tomas, unfortunately, speech-dispatcher was never installed > on that machine. I was gonna do that before I upgraded, but I was > curious to test gnome-speech in intrepid, to see how it was working. > If I install s-d on that machine now, will that give me speech back, > if I did maybe an orca -t and selected speech-dispatcher? > > Thanks, > > > Guy > > > At 01:13 PM 8/18/2008, Tomas Cerha wrote: >> Guy Schlosser wrote: >> > Hi all, is there a problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? I >> upgraded to >> > intrepid on a machine that does not have speech-dispatcher installed, >> > and have no speech. I tried to reinstall orca, but according to a >> > sighted friend of mine, the orca window is there, but silent. I had >> him >> > quit orca, and reload it, and I got an error in the terminal that said >> > "unable to establish connection with speech." Any suggestions would be >> > greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance for any ideas/suggestions. >> >> If you were using Speech Dispatcher before, Orca is most likely still >> configured to use it. You can either install Speech Dispatcher again or >> switch to Gnome Speech by manually editing your .orca/user-settings.py. >> I believe that commenting out the lines with 'speechServerFactory' and >> 'speechServerInfo' should do the trick. Ideally, Orca should detect >> such situations and switch to next available speech service >> automatically if possible. >> >> Best regards, Tomas > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 18 18:15:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E48775029B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:15:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.22 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.22 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3700 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N3uoMiRXPQCf for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:15:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe02.swip.net [212.247.154.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BCB975045B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:08:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 Received: from [85.224.127.96] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe02.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1046923560 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:08:45 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:08:44 +0200 Message-Id: <1219082924.13227.8.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] test X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:15:29 -0000 From hackingkk@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 18:31:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C5A72750007 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.445 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.445 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GT=0.077, TW_YG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 7655 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.170.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7PvHfLx4xvVk for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from rn-out-0910.google.com (rn-out-0910.google.com [64.233.170.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C682D75006D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: by rn-out-0910.google.com with SMTP id v73so325274rnb.10 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:31:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=z88cgrhYVDvAc2vhmONIqeCxDtFUDYcl3TP+hpuWTro=; b=btyo5/XxSKGVixckSssTjX3CXYiihTGMiEBicZDXK7J3KA8ol1Bwlm0a140LEW7viG /ONivAWT3/iFXD+L7ykpLhU+8KwjiGCLLMv2/upYST79whQjJ5S+VYPQ2FNwEkR1077f sCSrcDn2v2GlE0rRScqKG6gS7UBd4i85rrn94= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=INbjgHZ0tpSdJOPKuPoyXrW1kM+zVj7rwTLnOw+sr0Ict0LW6ntQR2EKfBfRiwPaIi WRdsWI1ns5rOhJeZXVxWofEh43hm3Rix5sOEGmXLwNyocRMo/Y8/qz9Ug5+BhtJM9Bg+ n9do779whUnioi6HMbXiohCCwatSJNAM8t4ms= Received: by 10.143.4.11 with SMTP id g11mr2166759wfi.52.1219084306303; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.158.18 with HTTP; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 11:31:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3752f20808181131k1895343arf07f5465d5bf430a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 00:01:46 +0530 From: "Krishnakant Mane" To: Jon In-Reply-To: <20080818055730.GB1748@mhdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <8d3752f20808170429m197d55cbw6470c8bd5e0edf10@mail.gmail.com> <20080818055730.GB1748@mhdesktop> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] why orca does not report labels for widgets in a pygtk based applications? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:31:56 -0000 On 18/08/2008, Jon wrote: > Hi Krishnakant, > > It sounds like you have not set the accessibility relations between the > labels and textboxes. > i.e. for each label edit the "label_for" property, and put the name of > the textbox, and for each textbox edit the "labeled_by" property to the > name of the label. is it label_for(widget) or label_for = widget? what is the exact syntax? > I think the relation specifically needs to be two way before the > accessibility kicks in. > seams pritty logical but can't get the syntax. it is giving me no attribute label_for > Good luck. > -Jon happy hacking. KK> On Sun 17/08/2008 at 16:59:36, Krishnakant Mane wrote: >> hello, >> I am building a gtk based application using python. >> this implies that I am using pygtk in my application for the GUI. >> the strange thing I found with orcfa is that when the window is on the >> screen orca does not report the lables of the textbox or combo widgets >> or any widget which has a lable to its left. >> for example when I tab through name, address, telephone ... orca does >> not read the respective lables and only says "text, text text ". Only >> when I use the flat review then I get the lable captions? >> I am sure since all other gtk apps are accessible in this context, >> that is to say, in all other gtk applications orca announces the >> lable, then I must e missing some thing. I might not be setting some >> attributes which is core for this kind of accessibility. >> For example in java, there is a "setLabelFor(widget)" method. is >> there any thing similar in pygtk where I can associate a lable with a >> widget? >> happy hacking. >> Krishnakant. >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 18 18:40:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7128C7500EE for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:40:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.67 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.67 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, SARE_SUB_NO=0.669] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3696 hrs), (distance 28, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.225] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id A7Y-eNEqzX67 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:40:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe16.swip.net [212.247.155.225]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F41E8750090 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:40:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gL7cOUZRyNd3F04wrEZooQ==:17 a=pUDZ3Q0z-g6O2Is7Lk8A:9 a=38EiQMzoghYwg6SdsTv2zX9Np5YA:4 a=LQ1s5-IILsIA:10 Received: from [85.226.23.122] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se [85.226.23.122] verified) by mailfe16.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 303902029 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:40:42 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:40:40 +0200 Message-Id: <1219084840.7017.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] no more testmails X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:40:51 -0000 now i should no more spam the list with test mails From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 18 18:50:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 083FB7500CF for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:50:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5102 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mEpG0a6-fGxZ for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:50:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCAD2750004 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:50:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 14A382A0185; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:48:10 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gH8vZ4CyO6Ru; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:48:08 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BA0942A015A; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:48:08 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48A9C454.20209@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:49:56 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080815032547) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christopher Moore References: <20080818161832.GA5701@edgy> In-Reply-To: <20080818161832.GA5701@edgy> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] network-admin and wireless config X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:50:16 -0000 Hi Christopher, I had difficulties to configure my wireless network card in ubuntu hardy. The first problem was that ubuntu didn't recognize my wireless card. The second problem was that I couldn't configure my wireless network to use WPA encryption. I found a solution to my first problem in the following URL: http://linuxwireless.org/en/users/Drivers/b43#devicefirmware . I found a workaround to my second problem changing the configuration in my wireless router so that it doesn't use authentication. My connection is open but I tell to my router the MAC addresses that can connect to it. Another step that I took was substitute network-manager by WICD. It seems that WICD can handle wireless connection better than network-manager. You can read information about wicd in the following URL: http://wicd.sourceforge.net/download.php In my opinion the accessibility of WICD isn't very good but it it is possible to use the program using the orca's flat review mode. Christopher Moore wrote: > Hello, > I'm trying to connect to my wireless network using network-admin. Orca > shows the "wireless not configured" message, but I can't figure out how > to get into the configuration screens. > Has anyone done this with Orca? > > tia > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From spangler.robert@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 19:38:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A6517502A3 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:38:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm2262774agc.14.2008.08.18.12.35.58 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:35:59 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48A9CEFA.70809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 15:35:22 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080816030410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Messages Not Being Marked Read X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:38:44 -0000 Hello, I am noticing that, after reading a message, it is not being marked as read in Thunderbird. Is anyone else experiencing this? 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p30sm1192349qbp.14.2008.08.18.12.48.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:48:02 -0700 (PDT) From: Mike Reiser To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 14:21:52 -0500 Message-Id: <1219087312.14615.1.camel@archenemy-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] tips on using evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:49:27 -0000 Hello all, Just got evolution working on my ubuntu system. However, even with carrot mode on orca gets a point and says table grade in the message. It's like it has trouble reading past that point. Also, when composing this message, it doesn't read what I backspace over. Any ideas? Thanks, Mike From deprice@cs.utah.edu Mon Aug 18 19:54:34 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 538A07500A2 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:54:34 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 5541 hrs), (distance 13, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [155.98.64.241] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4PR6aeVfU99 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (rio.cs.utah.edu [155.98.64.241]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 932B1750085 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:54:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id D35166500BF; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:54:23 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at cs.utah.edu Received: from mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail-svr1.cs.utah.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id t3KVNhxnmASU; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from depricelaptop (unknown [205.208.238.41]) by smtps.cs.utah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 2C8786500BD; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:54:15 -0600 (MDT) Message-ID: <8BD6E94ACBC94F10B9B4D9819E89C4E5@depricelaptop> From: "David E. Price" To: "Robert Spangler" , References: <48A9CEFA.70809@gmail.com> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:54:30 -0600 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Messages Not Being Marked Read X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: "David E. Price" List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:54:34 -0000 Hi, The convention is that, for read messages, nothing is said. You should hear the announcement that a message is unread. At present, the symbols for forwarded and replied to are not available to Orca. There is a bug for this last issue here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=542717 dave ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Spangler" To: Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 1:35 PM Subject: [orca-list] Messages Not Being Marked Read > Hello, > > I am noticing that, after reading a message, it is not being marked as > read in Thunderbird. Is anyone else experiencing this? > > Robby > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 18 20:30:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FDF5750078 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:30:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 5119 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smFN1kV-Ku73 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:30:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE4107500A5 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:30:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 993C42A01D0; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:28:57 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xC1CtyS2LD7b; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:28:56 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 6292E2A019D; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:28:56 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48A9DBF4.80109@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 17:30:44 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080815032547) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Reiser References: <1219087312.14615.1.camel@archenemy-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1219087312.14615.1.camel@archenemy-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080817-0, 08/17/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] tips on using evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:30:58 -0000 Hi, I'm experiencing the same problems. When I hear table grade I press the right arrow key two or three times. After this I can continue read the message. Mike Reiser wrote: > Hello all, > > Just got evolution working on my ubuntu system. However, even with > carrot mode on orca gets a point and says table grade in the message. > It's like it has trouble reading past that point. Also, when composing > this message, it doesn't read what I backspace over. Any ideas? > Thanks, > > Mike > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From rynkruger@gmail.com Mon Aug 18 20:44:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB67E75023F for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:44:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [196.213.53.60]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm3041304fgb.6.2008.08.18.13.43.34 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:43:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Rynhardt P Kruger To: vilmar@informal.com.br In-Reply-To: <48A9DBF4.80109@informal.com.br> References: <1219087312.14615.1.camel@archenemy-desktop> <48A9DBF4.80109@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:43:21 +0200 Message-Id: <1219092201.9087.9.camel@rkruger-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] tips on using evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 20:44:22 -0000 I have the same problems, and I've also found that when you read a message in evolution that was composed on a windows box, mostly rtf messages, and also html messages, orca say "text read only" for each line you read with the cursor keys. Rynhardt On Mon, 2008-08-18 at 17:30 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > I'm experiencing the same problems. > When I hear table grade I press the right arrow key two or three times. > After this I can continue read the message. > > Mike Reiser wrote: > > Hello all, > > > > Just got evolution working on my ubuntu system. However, even with > > carrot mode on orca gets a point and says table grade in the message. > > It's like it has trouble reading past that point. Also, when composing > > this message, it doesn't read what I backspace over. Any ideas? > > Thanks, > > > > Mike > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 18 23:34:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED445750180 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:34:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3705 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ArhFXjlBhIs7 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:34:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe02.swip.net [212.247.154.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 96B1075029B for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:34:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=gL7cOUZRyNd3F04wrEZooQ==:17 a=qZ15XWEhzOWYY3_FvnYA:9 a=_FF7H3FXdKq-cXZPHh0P0gRhlekA:4 a=KPV7Ys48g1UA:10 Received: from [85.226.23.122] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se [85.226.23.122] verified) by mailfe02.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1047195392 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:34:08 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:34:06 +0200 Message-Id: <1219102446.6600.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] ubuntu 7.04 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:34:23 -0000 can i install ubuntu 7.04 with brltty? From d.dalton@iinet.net.au Mon Aug 18 23:47:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BC17D750108 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:47:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.385 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.385 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:48:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.59.1.148] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HZoS8M4ocUYd for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:47:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au (outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au [203.59.1.148]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95621750107 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:47:18 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAJimqUjSVBI1/2dsb2JhbAC2ZIFY X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,230,1217779200"; d="scan'208";a="303531490" Received: from unknown (HELO localhost) ([210.84.18.53]) by outbound.icp-qv1-irony-out3.iinet.net.au with ESMTP; 19 Aug 2008 07:47:15 +0800 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:47:15 +1000 From: Daniel Dalton To: Orca-list Message-ID: <20080818234715.GA9945@debian-hp.lan> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Subject: [orca-list] openoffice - more accessible version X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:47:27 -0000 Hi, I believe that oo 3 should have some accessibility fixes like: - word count dialog will speak with orca. And my spell check doesn't even work here so when i get this latest version do i need an extra package for spell-checking? So can someone tell me where I can get a version of oo with the latest accessibility fixes including a fix for my bug on the bugzilla about oo not reading dialogs like: "Do you want to save the changes" when exiting oo with out saving and "word count". Thanks, Daniel From chomiak@charter.net Mon Aug 18 23:52:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 110E6750134 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:52:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -3.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 4636 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [216.33.127.80] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CkaLjzCwiFow for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:52:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mta11.charter.net (mta11.charter.net [216.33.127.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E70B175004D for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:52:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aarprv06.charter.net ([10.20.200.76]) by mta11.charter.net (InterMail vM.7.08.03.00 201-2186-126-20070710) with ESMTP id <20080818235216.CIJT21239.mta11.charter.net@aarprv06.charter.net> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:52:16 -0400 Received: from maranatha.local ([97.87.51.3]) by aarprv06.charter.net with ESMTP id <20080818235216.PGHK570.aarprv06.charter.net@maranatha.local> for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 19:52:16 -0400 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 18:52:06 -0500 (CDT) From: Cheryl Homiak Sender: chomiak@maranatha.gnome.org To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Chzlrs: 0 Subject: [orca-list] Orca and mlb gameday audio and nfl field pass X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 23:52:25 -0000 I'm wondering if anybody has gotten the audio on either nfl or mlb to work. First of all, let me say that iceweasel on my debian ppc mac mini with orca is actually very navigable for me now; I had made tries over the years and been frustrated but now I am really able to use it. I can browse and even get a lot of audio to work. However, while I can get further than ever before with mlb and nfl, I'm still getting stuck in the end. With mlb, I can choose the multimedia link and choose the feed I want but when I hit enter I end up in the media player frame but see no place to login. so I don't know whether, were I able to login, I would or would not get sound. With nfl, I can pick the feed from the combo box; I originally was able to log in but I think now maybe I'm being remembered on that computer. When I choose my feed, the windows media or ram file seems to load. With the ram file I get the names of the teams playing but get "inaccessible". with the windows media file I just get something about asx-asf object text and can't seem to do anything more with it. I do have other avenues for enjoying mlb gameday audio and nfl field pass but I have always hoped to be able to run these on linux. It seems now that both are so very close. Has anybody succeeded? Tia. -- Cheryl "Where your treasure is, there will your heart be also." From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Aug 19 04:37:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7D5875008F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:37:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.078 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 921 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [89.251.32.12] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1KbnuTR-A0Y1 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:37:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D014175009D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:37:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [89.251.40.200]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id C169EE8D0D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:00:09 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48AA4D8B.4060001@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:35:23 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> <48A9ADBA.5060907@brailcom.org> <20080818103705.BE7947F4@dm52.mta.everyone.net> <48A9B657.4040304@tutopia.com> In-Reply-To: <48A9B657.4040304@tutopia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 2008.08.18), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:37:31 -0000 Dear List! "When I upgraded my hardy to intrepid had a similar problem but the problem has been solved installing gnome speech from source." You install latest svn trunk source with gnome-speech, or install via apt-get source command? Attila From spangler.robert@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 05:01:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4543C7500EA for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:01:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_GD=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6408 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.18] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Zw+pSbyK92jz for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:01:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9C3B75012C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:00:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so4570046gxk.15 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:00:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=TmeGMlk9aFK5+07xMr9WeG/KoQwPuvqwjxfsiXyTgYw=; b=YkRFHULHWSUnT6cui9G2AqlyOYp7f8NShbG0HjAYNKttjvhtI2CuwSmmVaRVBvz2N0 z7QFV3TmVt3+sb3L+kG1B1fbm+GjdU1TZ4B3K1qbeMICZqIyJKMVlsIS1D3WNTSCZ37E EUY5kWA1meljAhFVYfcxfXoZ6ixutbcm2DQIk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=R7a0GsoknFWgNfiquARUvEqDHhyRd7Xj1vlGf2/09tut9VF571LknBiQFqhB1WW6Ip uFj16mdpsa6+Gp2rm5bB7PUBp/khTUmCsmNwgRywPf7UzUHB4yueCPHTCBS2fdtVTSh4 OTHQaTp+Rbc9dsA1HtCWzI2whxPn1JW3dNfHU= Received: by 10.150.133.17 with SMTP id g17mr6357517ybd.21.1219122055731; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.86? ( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm1148053ywp.3.2008.08.18.22.00.54 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:00:55 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AA535F.9080007@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:00:15 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080816030410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Accessing Admin Tools with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:01:11 -0000 Hello, Is anyone able to access admin/root tools successfully with Orca? I tried the .orbitrc tip on the web site but still when I open the gdmsetup application, it does not speak. Also, I tried something like: sudo su - password: password killall orca orca then switching to another tab in the terminal and running a root application but that wasn't successful, either. I tried enabling the root account in GDM but get no speech after typing root and the password in the gdm login--is there another window that pops up without speech that I need to type something in? Also - I attempted to set up the accessible login stuff but holding down ctrl+s for a second doesn't work as expected. Something happens, because when I hit backspace I don't hear the gdm login prompt beep but there is no speech. Thanks, Robby From hammera@pickup.hu Tue Aug 19 05:09:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DE7077500A5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:09:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 922 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [89.251.32.12] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PRe1Iinl-3AJ for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:09:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.pickup.hu (mail.pickup.hu [89.251.32.12]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3ECF7750081 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:09:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [89.251.40.200]) by mail.pickup.hu (pickup.hu 1. eMail Server) with ESMTP id 91E8BE8A93 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:34:34 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48AA559C.2080705@pickup.hu> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:09:48 +0200 From: Hammer Attila User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-2; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 2008.08.18), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] speakup question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:09:59 -0000 Dear List! Yesterday I readed the new espeakup project with speakup mailing list archive. Can anybody tell me a website this project? This is a connector with speakup and espeak. Thanks, Attila From spangler.robert@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 05:23:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A53E17500FF for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:23:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 6330 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [74.125.44.30] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wp0U5DW96adp for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:23:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.30]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 990E0750007 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:23:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so1154565yxb.63 for ; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=GJnRBMCp6PMCYiLaICTGlt9T5TsA534B+liUg1DOuRI=; b=GgGBidyxRlH29l+kl+5ndMbqnVLxaU7WZhEsOCcHCSjT0HIjhIH08RhqPerRwcdySC JJGWyloEMGEy3PugwJFhkONVWF0dWObwICT6d5zi5Bag9obpV0q5GzBcySSSokmhHkBp pkA4oe5zdoJqkMsKeMThDladD2Ejp4t2Fodm4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=HVe+9cOC3rOk+z1EU03EXu1WK67czF4RCwxXBnmsYh9OP90xpt5eHZuCzDnclArlcZ xWXPYd/RkTBNuwd7Hc2hDaW9zkgWNv9lDrbl7mTLPKa2m/fK9ln6lVimEYUUZigl1rD6 vLo9Vd89usrLf0XuKo6PCiqaKk+FnjGI1wSGA= Received: by 10.150.220.19 with SMTP id s19mr11115943ybg.54.1219123398113; Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:23:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.0.86? ( [75.93.188.67]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm14495718ywo.7.2008.08.18.22.23.16 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Mon, 18 Aug 2008 22:23:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AA589E.9030703@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 01:22:38 -0400 From: Robert Spangler User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080818030344) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Open Office X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:23:26 -0000 Hello all, First, it seems as if the dialog prompting to save changes when exiting Open Office Writer is not automatically spoken. Second, is anyone noticing when arrowing through a document that the beginning of a line is announced twice? It's almost as if it studders for a split second at the beginning of every line. This is with Open Office 3.0 devel - I don't believe I experienced this with the 2.4 stable version. It does not studder on blank lines; the word "blank" is said normally. Thanks, Robby From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 19 05:41:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 152FB7500FC for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:41:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1241 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id CO-z9UzjQmRj for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:41:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1149750081 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:41:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7J5euxb009770 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:40:59 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7J5eqDx016558 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:40:52 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7J5eqX6016557 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:40:52 +1000 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:40:52 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080819054052.GA16516@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <48AA559C.2080705@pickup.hu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48AA559C.2080705@pickup.hu> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8057/Tue Aug 19 03:23:31 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] speakup question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:41:08 -0000 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 07:09:48AM +0200, Hammer Attila wrote: > Yesterday I readed the new espeakup project with speakup mailing list > archive. > Can anybody tell me a website this project? Try asking on the Speakup list. In general, you should ask on the mailing list which is most directly associated with the software that you plan to use. This is the Orca list, and while some people here may be able to answer your questions, you are likely to receive much more help on the speakup list. From guenni.post@gmx.de Tue Aug 19 06:37:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03DD1750090 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:37:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.06 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.06 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:42:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W8:.:?:?] (up: 2323 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 83OrJvaPQ9es for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:37:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 40A83750078 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:37:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Aug 2008 06:37:29 -0000 Received: from p57AB5ABF.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.90.191] by mail.gmx.net (mp026) with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 08:37:29 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX198Q9YZ3FJ8g+qO0MImtc4FdBJXfo65Ts/Twuze3f IIdO0f+q8hjhhD Message-ID: <48AA6A25.1040708@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:37:25 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080813030431) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Subject: [orca-list] Any way to access synaptics? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:37:38 -0000 I wanted to install something with the synaptics mNager. I was prompted to enter my password after doing so and pressing enter Orca hang itself. I tried more than once. starting it with the run dialogue doesn't work either it says the welcome thing but you can't move around or do anything else. What can I do: Guenni From rexxe@tutopia.com Tue Aug 19 06:54:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3D7BE7500A5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:54:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 2371 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lxBccHRCrTfU for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:54:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail01mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0C8A5750078 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:54:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 29525 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 06:54:09 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.144]) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail01mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Aug 2008 06:54:09 -0000 Message-ID: <48AA6E11.1090504@tutopia.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:54:09 -0400 From: mk360 User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080817030506) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hammer Attila References: <20080818095156.BE791F1D@sj1-dm04.mta.everyone.net> <48A9ADBA.5060907@brailcom.org> <20080818103705.BE7947F4@dm52.mta.everyone.net> <48A9B657.4040304@tutopia.com> <48AA4D8B.4060001@pickup.hu> In-Reply-To: <48AA4D8B.4060001@pickup.hu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] problem with gnome-speech in intrepid? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:54:27 -0000 Hammer Attila wrote: > Dear List! > > "When I upgraded my hardy to intrepid had a similar problem but the > problem has been solved installing gnome speech from source." > You install latest svn trunk source with gnome-speech, or install via > apt-get source command? > > Lattest from svn. mk. From rexxe@tutopia.com Tue Aug 19 06:59:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 462AE7500A5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:59:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 5069 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.76] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 29B0Um0ZDtCV for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:59:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail06mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.76]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B89EC7501B2 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:59:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 20606 invoked from network); 19 Aug 2008 06:59:27 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO [192.168.0.144]) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail06mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 19 Aug 2008 06:59:20 -0000 Message-ID: <48AA6F48.4030004@tutopia.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 02:59:20 -0400 From: mk360 User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080817030506) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: =?UTF-8?B?QW5uZSBHw7xudGhlcg==?= References: <48AA6A25.1040708@gmx.de> In-Reply-To: <48AA6A25.1040708@gmx.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Any way to access synaptics? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 06:59:56 -0000 Hi, Anne Günther wrote: > I wanted to install something with the synaptics mNager. I was > prompted to enter my password after doing so and pressing enter Orca > hang itself. I tried more than once. starting it with the run dialogue > doesn't work either it says the welcome thing but you can't move > around or do anything else. > What can I do: See http://live.gnome.org/Orca/SysAdmin and http://live.gnome.org/Orca/AccessibleApps Regards, mk. From rburceni@tiflomedia.it Tue Aug 19 07:39:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C1C3750075 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:39:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.245 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.245 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5477 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.72] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ph9VmCP7bYUt for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:39:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (aa012msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41F7C7500A7 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:39:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from roby-laptop (1.241.35.42) by aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (8.0.013.5) id 4889F7DF023FB8D4 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:39:15 +0200 Received: by roby-laptop (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:39:14 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:39:14 +0200 From: Roberto Burceni To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080819073914.GA7214@interim.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: [orca-list] I.m new X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:39:25 -0000 all, I.m new in this list. I am a blind italian user of linux. I.m using linus since 1999. Orca is a great screenreader that have solved the problem with browser internet. This is my pc configuration: notebook hp dv6580ea with ubuntu 8.04. I.m using svn version of orca because i like to test this program. I have a braille display installed with brltty. I wuld like to participate in the tests of orca. How can I do this? Thanks in advance! From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Tue Aug 19 07:48:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5B9750081 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:48:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 10311 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lpb2TGaigcl3 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:48:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 88B6075006E for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:48:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 26590 invoked by uid 89); 19 Aug 2008 07:48:10 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 26563, pid: 26582, t: 0.4152s scanners: clamav: 0.90.3/m:43/d:3378 Received: from unknown (HELO xkljiwn14xc) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp6.aruba.it with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 07:48:09 -0000 Message-ID: From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:48:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] great problem with voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 07:48:22 -0000 I'm sorry, this is not the right place, but I write to oralux and I didn't receive any response. Simply, I can't use voxin. I downloaded ubuntu 8.04, and I choose to install it into windows, with 5 gb of space. Orca starts properly and installation is complete in a few minute. When I launch the script for installing voxin, it prompts me for entering password, but it is always wrong. I receive an error message just before the password request. I'm not able to make cut/paste with linux, but it says something like "can't insert padlock." and then there is the path, mmm, I remember /etc/generic/kernel/drivers/2.16.19/crypto_aes, or aes_crypto. Sorry for this poor report but I hope it could be sufficient clear. In a few words, I googled this crypto_aes and it appears to be relevant about security and password. Have you any idea of what is padlock and why there is this error? This happens with 2 pc! Thanks a lot. From rburceni@tiflomedia.it Tue Aug 19 10:17:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CE8175043A for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:17:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.168 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.168 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5483 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.72] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Dew5y+CAlh0f for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:17:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (aa012msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200B875026D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:07:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from roby-laptop (1.241.35.42) by aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (8.0.013.5) id 4889F7DF0242278D for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:07:21 +0200 Received: by roby-laptop (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:07:20 +0200 Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:07:20 +0200 From: Roberto Burceni To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080819100720.GA29314@interim.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: [orca-list] orca and firefox with mouse clicks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:17:30 -0000 Hi, I have a question: In some sites there are buttons that you can activate only with mouse. What can I do with orca? The flatreview seems not function. Have you sugestions? Regards From guenni.post@gmx.de Tue Aug 19 11:16:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C636750241 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:16:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 6138 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uAE6BPvM0lG7 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:16:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id C6F577500E8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:10:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 19 Aug 2008 11:10:50 -0000 Received: from p57AB7EEC.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.126.236] by mail.gmx.net (mp058) with SMTP; 19 Aug 2008 13:10:50 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18D20M24RoDe7tYIQYuicpP3/mzTUpk3zEmlkyN0r zMY5F73m2U/D/Z Message-ID: <48AAAA2D.90507@gmx.de> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:10:37 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080818030344) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.82 Subject: [orca-list] synaptic is called inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:16:13 -0000 Hi I managed to get ubuntu to call up synaptics with a command. But when I enter the window with alt-tab he tells me it's inaccessible. What's wrong? Guenni From christian08@runbox.com Tue Aug 19 11:19:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 936A975031D for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:19:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.573 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.573 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.833, BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2409 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H9mli2SE5zRV for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:19:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81A3B7500ED for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:13:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.162] (helo=pepper.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KVP9k-0001jP-Mm for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:44 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=[192.168.0.39]) by pepper.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KVP9k-0000Pp-Ah for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:44 +0200 Message-ID: <48AAAAE3.20602@runbox.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:13:39 +0200 From: Christian User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 2008073100) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Openoffice3 Beta2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:19:15 -0000 Hi all, I have just downloaded Openoffice 3 Beta2 and decided to try it with Orca. Running Ubuntu Hardy 8.04. I installed all deb packages, but I cannot find where it has been installed. It doesn't show up in the Office menu. Any help would be apreciated, many thanks! Christian From halim.sahin@t-online.de Tue Aug 19 11:36:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AE1EC750004 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:36:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 6956 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [212.112.241.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id viminxyehaok for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:35:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.as-10.de (as-10.de [212.112.241.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 64A317500A8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:35:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EEDE33A725 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.as-10.de Received: from mail.as-10.de ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (as-10.de [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3dZh013bi1IJ for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: from halim.local (p54AE55A2.dip.t-dialin.net [84.174.85.162]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ADH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: web11p28) by mail.as-10.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 159DC33A667 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Received: by halim.local (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 8BA8B122C2DB; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:35:46 +0200 (CEST) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:35:46 +0200 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080819113546.GA16449@halim.local> References: <48AAAAE3.20602@runbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48AAAAE3.20602@runbox.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Openoffice3 Beta2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:36:05 -0000 Hi, Have a look into /opt! HTH. Halim From lists@digitaldarragh.com Tue Aug 19 11:46:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEE84750254 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:46:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6476 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.25] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N+1niebCb64Q for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:46:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f25.google.com (mail-gx0-f25.google.com [209.85.217.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7E63375010A for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:45:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk6 with SMTP id 6so5997858gxk.15 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.109.12 with SMTP id h12mr9301930wxc.6.1219146338687; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.115.16 with HTTP; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 04:45:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8fd471eb0808190445i3505ff81y77fdc07ad4e16304@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:45:38 +0100 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Darragh_=D3_H=E9iligh?=" To: Christian In-Reply-To: <48AAAAE3.20602@runbox.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <48AAAAE3.20602@runbox.com> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Openoffice3 Beta2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:46:53 -0000 These should be located in /opt/openoffice.org3/programs Darragh www.digitaldarragh.com 2008/8/19 Christian : > Hi all, > I have just downloaded Openoffice 3 Beta2 and decided to try it with Orca. > Running Ubuntu Hardy 8.04. I installed all deb packages, but I cannot find > where it has been installed. > It doesn't show up in the Office menu. > Any help would be apreciated, many thanks! > Christian > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 19 11:48:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CD3E6750252 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:48:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BmsmD+rMf2rV for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:48:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05BEB750243 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:46:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B210791.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.7.145]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu7) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML2xA-1KVPfg48G8-0003Cm; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:46:45 +0200 From: Hermann To: Anne =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= In-Reply-To: <48AAAA2D.90507@gmx.de> ("Anne =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther=22's?= message of "Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:10:37 +0200") References: <48AAAA2D.90507@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:46:50 +0200 Message-ID: <87fxp1447p.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19Eyp2BafLQK9QflCmhRGXMyUIiYZWmqJlFrNz fAIXgO46MWSkiiUrAy/crx3BKIAFRUIXnYQhAPeza9AH2R7q+T EYzXrLnvT6P0cxVr/O5zA== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] synaptic is called inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:48:49 -0000 On 19.08.2008 at 13:10:37 Anne G=FCnther wrote: > Hi > I managed to get ubuntu to call up synaptics with a command. But when > I enter the window with alt-tab he tells me it's inaccessible. > What's wrong? Did you read: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/UbuntuHardy provided you use Hardy. But I strongly recommend to use the text based package administration tools, such as apt-get and aptitude. Check out Sebastian's answer to your question in the German Linux list "Pinguin". Hermann From milton@tomaatnet.nl Tue Aug 19 12:06:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B09A7750207 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:06:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 358 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.89] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OTwGBgO4pn8B for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:06:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp2.versatel.nl (smtp2.versatel.nl [62.58.50.89]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 207DF75007A for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:02:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 7265 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:02:23 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp2.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 19 Aug 2008 12:02:23 -0000 Message-ID: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> From: "Milton" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:02:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90204.341117F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 18-08-2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] rss reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:06:41 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90204.341117F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear listers, Is there a RSS Reader accessible for Orca? My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6 Thanks in advance. Milton ------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90204.341117F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear listers,
 
Is there a RSS Reader accessible for=20 Orca?
My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and = Orca=20 2.23.6
Thanks in advance.
Milton
------=_NextPart_000_0013_01C90204.341117F0-- From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 19 12:20:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0105F750078 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:20:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lntHuXbxTOmI for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:20:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 68AC4750075 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:20:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B210791.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.7.145]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu8) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML31I-1KVQBo2Oph-0006ew; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:19:56 +0200 From: Hermann To: "Milton" In-Reply-To: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> (milton@tomaatnet.nl's message of "Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:02:23 +0200") References: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:20:01 +0200 Message-ID: <874p5h42oe.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+gFLE9Vu+oHR+3CARqMBR5wToI/5ebSZC0mep xsYnqNw/9NhBFQ+4wSSFfEJa9+pX2XqgFv89nd2ofr8e5x8/za a5nXJcGWe0zUYe88Ys2kQ== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:20:12 -0000 On 19.08.2008 at 14:02:23 "Milton" wrote: > Dear listers, > > Is there a RSS Reader accessible for Orca? > My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6 Firefox can use RSS feeds and podcasts fairly accessible. You can also use Thunderbird to administer your RSS feeds. Evolution has a plugin called Evolution-rss, but I prefer FF and TB. There are also a lot of tools that run in text mode, but you cannot use them with Orca; you either need a braille display or a text based screen reader that can use speech. Hermann From milton@tomaatnet.nl Tue Aug 19 12:34:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3885F7502B6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:34:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11310 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.97] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ao1FwwfighPJ for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:34:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.versatel.nl (smtp6.versatel.nl [62.58.50.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 872E87502ED for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:31:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 5409 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:31:03 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp6.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 19 Aug 2008 12:31:03 -0000 Message-ID: <000a01c901f7$71fe4950$0901a8c0@milton> From: "Milton" To: "Hermann" References: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> <874p5h42oe.fsf@onlinehome.de> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:31:03 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 18-08-2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:34:53 -0000 Hello Herman, Thanks for these tips. Right now I am trying to work with Evolution. I want to try RSS in FF. Is there a how to for doing this? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hermann" To: "Milton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:20 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader On 19.08.2008 at 14:02:23 "Milton" wrote: > Dear listers, > > Is there a RSS Reader accessible for Orca? > My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6 Firefox can use RSS feeds and podcasts fairly accessible. You can also use Thunderbird to administer your RSS feeds. Evolution has a plugin called Evolution-rss, but I prefer FF and TB. There are also a lot of tools that run in text mode, but you cannot use them with Orca; you either need a braille display or a text based screen reader that can use speech. Hermann From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 19 12:48:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C2E767502B8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id eVLB2cIB5qd6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5AEC37502E6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:44:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B210791.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.7.145]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1KVQZW3f3K-0005bj; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:44:27 +0200 From: Hermann To: "Milton" In-Reply-To: <000a01c901f7$71fe4950$0901a8c0@milton> (milton@tomaatnet.nl's message of "Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:31:03 +0200") References: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> <874p5h42oe.fsf@onlinehome.de> <000a01c901f7$71fe4950$0901a8c0@milton> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:44:32 +0200 Message-ID: <87zln92mz3.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18FSDvBneDsyq/OnQtM/DuPlO1klanZrv1GvWU kntXpa7T730L0oHLKt7/JUiyvdWQhXeZmn7+NXTqdajVp1Jdwl FSt3qNUr8T3mkhhopHm/A== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:28 -0000 On 19.08.2008 at 14:31:03 "Milton" wrote: > Hello Herman, > > Thanks for these tips. Right now I am trying to work with Evolution. I want > to try RSS in FF. Is there a how to for doing this? > I don't know such a howto, but it's really easy to do this. Simply open your favorite RSS feeds, and if FF asks you, whether you want to create a dynamic bookmark, answer "no" or "cancel". You should see the page's content. You can create such dynamic bookmarks, and you will find them in a subfolder in your bookmarks menu. The disadvantage is, that you only see the main headlines of the episodes, while you can read all the contents of the page, when you refuse to create dynamic bookmark. You can set up FF's behavior in preferences/applications. Choose the item "feeds" and then "ask me what to do". Hermann From aerospace1028@hotmail.com Tue Aug 19 12:48:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DE4B750078 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -98.145 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-98.145 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_W=1.7, TW_DM=0.077, TW_GD=0.077, USER_IN_WHITELIST=-100] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Windows 2000 SP4, XP SP1+, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [65.55.111.107] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vdiWaKFPDFA0 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blu0-omc2-s32.blu0.hotmail.com (blu0-omc2-s32.blu0.hotmail.com [65.55.111.107]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F367500B5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:44:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from BLU149-W25 ([65.55.111.73]) by blu0-omc2-s32.blu0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.3959); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 05:44:46 -0700 Message-ID: X-Originating-IP: [65.175.208.219] From: To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:44:46 -0400 Importance: Normal Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 19 Aug 2008 12:44:46.0365 (UTC) FILETIME=[5C4AA4D0:01C901F9] Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessing Admin Tools with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:48:41 -0000 >Hello=2C > >Is anyone able to access admin/root tools successfully with Orca? I tried = the .orbitrc tip on the web site but still when I open the gdmsetup applica= tion=2C it does not speak.=20 two things. 1: What gnu/linux distribution are you running? (ubuntu8.04=2C open SuSE=2C= Solaris=2C etc) Some recent distributions also require a modification to = the sudoers file. Directions to the steps are provided on the wiki under t= he ubuntu hardy page. (I notice that under the doc index=2C this page is n= ot listed. Is there a reason for that?) 2: To my knowledge=2C after system administration is propperly established= =2C 'gdmsetup" is still inaccessible. Someone with more expertese than I w= ill be needed to explain why. Can you run any other admin tools? >Also - I attempted to set up the accessible login stuff but holding down c= trl+s for a second doesn't work as expected. Something happens=2C because w= hen I hit backspace I don't hear the gdm login prompt beep but there is no = speech.=20 I'm not sure what's going on here. Did you remember to add gdm to the audi= o permissions group? When you ran the gdmflexiserver command=2C what was t= he output? I mis-typed something once=2C and the command didn't print an e= rror=2C it just displayed a command prompt. If gdmflexiserver exicutes suc= cessfully=2C it should print "O.K." before returning to the command prompt. The only other thing I can think of=2C is to check /etc/gdm/modules/AccessK= eyMouseEvents=2C and ensuring that launching orca with speach is pre-define= d. (Or=2C I change the one second requirement to any press of CTRL+s by ch= anging 1000 miliseconds to 0). I hope this is of some help:-) _________________________________________________________________ Talk to your Yahoo! Friends via Windows Live Messenger. Find out how. http://www.windowslive.com/explore/messenger?ocid=3DTXT_TAGLM_WL_messenger_= yahoo_082008= From milton@tomaatnet.nl Tue Aug 19 12:58:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DF66750147 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:58:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11311 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.97] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N1aOFnhvoNTU for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:58:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.versatel.nl (smtp6.versatel.nl [62.58.50.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC9F175024E for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:55:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 19102 invoked by uid 0); 19 Aug 2008 12:54:38 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp6.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 19 Aug 2008 12:54:38 -0000 Message-ID: <006301c901fa$bd497710$0901a8c0@milton> From: "Milton" To: "Hermann" References: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton><874p5h42oe.fsf@onlinehome.de> <000a01c901f7$71fe4950$0901a8c0@milton> <87zln92mz3.fsf@onlinehome.de> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 14:54:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080818-0, 18-08-2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:58:57 -0000 Hello Herman, Thank you so much for your help. Milton ----- Original Message ----- From: "Hermann" To: "Milton" Cc: Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:44 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader On 19.08.2008 at 14:31:03 "Milton" wrote: > Hello Herman, > > Thanks for these tips. Right now I am trying to work with Evolution. I > want > to try RSS in FF. Is there a how to for doing this? > I don't know such a howto, but it's really easy to do this. Simply open your favorite RSS feeds, and if FF asks you, whether you want to create a dynamic bookmark, answer "no" or "cancel". You should see the page's content. You can create such dynamic bookmarks, and you will find them in a subfolder in your bookmarks menu. The disadvantage is, that you only see the main headlines of the episodes, while you can read all the contents of the page, when you refuse to create dynamic bookmark. You can set up FF's behavior in preferences/applications. Choose the item "feeds" and then "ask me what to do". Hermann From gracebooks@bellsouth.net Tue Aug 19 13:04:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BAFB75002F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:04:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.802 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:48:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 8345 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [204.127.217.101] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2Bh3fKD1gM35 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:04:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost01.isp.att.net (fmailhost01.isp.att.net [204.127.217.101]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 03D32750007 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:04:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bluabirdopc (adsl-11-207-143.mia.bellsouth.net[65.11.207.143]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc01) with SMTP id <20080819130402H0100mdprde>; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:04:02 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.11.207.143] Message-ID: From: "Grace Books" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:03:58 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0079_01C901DA.83E1C740" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Subject: [orca-list] New and questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:04:10 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C901DA.83E1C740 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Greetings to all, I'm new and I am very interested about Ubuntu. I have been reading the = documentation, but I didn't install it yet. I use Windows. I have some doubts and questions and I hope someone can clarify some = points, please. 1. Is there any website where I can listen to the speech? 2. I read that mp3 format is not supported. What can I do to transfer = files to the pacmate and bookport? 3. Does Ubuntu recognize compact flash cards, jump drives and external = hard disks? 4. I use a DSL modem. Does Ubuntu work with this type of connection? Thank you, Irena ------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C901DA.83E1C740 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Greetings to all,
 
I'm new and I am very interested about=20 Ubuntu.  I have been reading the documentation, but I didn't = install it=20 yet.  I use Windows.
I have some doubts and questions and I = hope someone=20 can clarify some points, please.
1. Is there any website where I can = listen to the=20 speech?
2. I read that mp3 format is not = supported. What=20 can I do to transfer files to the pacmate and bookport?
3. Does Ubuntu recognize compact flash = cards, jump=20 drives and external hard disks?
4. I use a DSL modem. Does Ubuntu work = with this=20 type of connection?
 
Thank you,
 
Irena
------=_NextPart_000_0079_01C901DA.83E1C740-- From mariachiac@aim.com Tue Aug 19 13:12:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B3BB750078 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:12:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.398 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.35] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D6hdNtXvCVQH for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:12:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d03.mx.aol.com (imo-d03.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.35]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E0F0750007 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:12:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mariachiac@aim.com by imo-d03.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id h.c3f.2e66df89 (37662); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:12:41 -0400 (EDT) Received: from Velvana (cpe-24-175-228-158.stx.res.rr.com [24.175.228.158]) by cia-mb07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB074-931e48aac6c820f; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:12:40 -0400 Message-ID: <689FFCE015DD4607962C8B5CE1786AD1@Velvana> From: "Alonzo" To: "Grace Books" , References: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 08:12:25 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01C901D3.50A7EF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 24.175.228.158 Subject: Re: [orca-list] New and questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:12:58 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C901D3.50A7EF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello there, I'll answer your questions accordingly below this message. Have a great da= y. Alonzo ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Grace Books=20 To: orca-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: [orca-list] New and questions Greetings to all, I'm new and I am very interested about Ubuntu. I have been reading the do= cumentation, but I didn't install it yet. I use Windows. I have some doubts and questions and I hope someone can clarify some point= s, please. 1. Is there any website where I can listen to the speech? You can visit the audio tutorials and hear the speech from digitaldarragh.= com 2. I read that mp3 format is not supported. What can I do to transfer file= s to the pacmate and bookport? Mp3 is supported, you will just have ot install some pluggins to get it wo= rking. For example, if you open movie player it will ask you to search for c= odecs and install them automatically. 3. Does Ubuntu recognize compact flash cards, jump drives and external har= d disks? Yes it does. You would just plug in your drives and it should recognize th= em. I've used external drives, but never used any form of flash. 4. I use a DSL modem. Does Ubuntu work with this type of connection? Although I don'tuse a dsl motem, the connection is supported. See this web= site for more dtails. https://help.ubuntu.com/6.10/ubuntu/desktopguide/C/connect-to-internet.htm= l Thank you, Irena ----------------------------------------------------------------------------= -- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C901D3.50A7EF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello there,
 
I'll answer your questions accordingly bel= ow=20 this message. Have a great day.
 
Alonzo
 
----- Original Message -----
Grace=20 Books
Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 8:03= =20 AM
Subject: [orca-list] New and=20 questions

Greetings to all,
 
I'm new and I am very interested about=20 Ubuntu.  I have been reading the documentation, but I didn't install=20= it=20 yet.  I use Windows.
I have some doubts and questions and I ho= pe=20 someone can clarify some points, please.
1. Is there any website where I can liste= n to the=20 speech?
You can visit the audio tutorials and hea= r the=20 speech from digitaldarragh.com
 
2. I read that mp3 format is not supporte= d. What=20 can I do to transfer files to the pacmate and bookport?
Mp3 is supported, you will just have ot i= nstall=20 some pluggins to get it working. For example, if you open movie player it=20= will=20 ask you to search for codecs and install them automatically.
 
3. Does Ubuntu recognize compact flash ca= rds,=20 jump drives and external hard disks?
 
Yes it does. You would just plug in your=20= drives=20 and it should recognize them. I've used external drives, but never used an= y=20 form of flash.
 
4. I use a DSL modem. Does Ubuntu work wi= th this=20 type of connection?
Although I don'tuse a dsl motem, the conn= ection=20 is supported. See this website for more dtails.
 
 
 
Thank you,
 
Irena

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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01C901D3.50A7EF00-- From christian08@runbox.com Tue Aug 19 13:37:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D7395750091 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:37:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.303, BAYES_00=-2.599, SUBJ_RE_NUM=2.799] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2433 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id L3F9p5COTD-r for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:37:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6AAE275008F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:37:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KVROM-0006zh-1X; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:58 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KVROL-0005Bd-Fq; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:57 +0200 Message-ID: <200808191536570906.0003B7A9@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <20080819113546.GA16449@halim.local> References: <48AAAAE3.20602@runbox.com> <20080819113546.GA16449@halim.local> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:36:57 +0200 From: "Christian" To: halim.sahin@t-online.de, orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [orca-list] Openoffice3 Beta2 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:37:08 -0000 Hi, Ah yes, I found it there. Many thanks. Christian On 2008-08-19 at 13:35 Halim Sahin wrote: >Hi, >Have a look into /opt! >HTH. >Halim > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 19 13:46:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22523750004 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:46:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3315 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dtCapeedmKzn for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:46:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED4E5750147 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:46:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JnAOd49qIPFjZ6XdJ2/BsA==:17 a=54fjFQetK16Hs7AUcO0A:9 a=-lR0hczVLpY93xm8T6QloRwFTPAA:4 a=8b0TY1xhFYQA:10 Received: from [85.226.22.155] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1023017044 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:26 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 15:46:23 +0200 Message-ID: <2F90E5FED33E4F7BA153939DDF3AF0D2@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu 7.04 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 13:46:43 -0000 Can i install ubuntu 7.04 with braille support? From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 16:01:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3607E75016F for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:01:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c2sm511000ana.10.2008.08.19.09.01.02 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:01:03 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AAEE3D.9060709@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:01:01 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080814031842) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: mk360 References: <48AA6A25.1040708@gmx.de> <48AA6F48.4030004@tutopia.com> In-Reply-To: <48AA6F48.4030004@tutopia.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Any way to access synaptics? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:01:28 -0000 I would just like to comment here that this problem should be fixed in the next release of orbit, I saw a post on gnome accessibility list that a patch had been created and is being tested. Mike From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Tue Aug 19 16:02:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F3CB7500A8 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:02:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c16sm495930anc.31.2008.08.19.09.02.27 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 19 Aug 2008 09:02:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AAEE92.6040808@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 11:02:26 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080814031842) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simone Dal Maso References: In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] great problem with voxin X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:02:37 -0000 Are you running this as root? I had a simular problem to this on my system as well and being root seemed to help. Mike From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Aug 19 16:35:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1742275007C for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:35:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id NL6Uvab9pqzO for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:35:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F0807500A5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:35:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7JGZYPa008592 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:35:34 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5U00E01WN6ZC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:35:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5U00DUJWR1GR10@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 10:35:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 12:35:24 -0400 From: Willie Walker Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-id: <1219163724.21085.2.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: [orca-list] Issues with gnome-speech on Ubuntu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 16:35:51 -0000 Hey All: I recently updated my machine to Intrepid and came across what appears to be a missing file for gnome-speech. The result is a nasty message you get from orca: Traceback (most recent call last): File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/orca/speech.py", line 103, in init ['']) File "/var/lib/python-support/python2.5/orca/gnomespeechfactory.py", line 52, in ORBit.load_typelib('GNOME_Speech') RuntimeError: could not load typelib I logged the bug here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-speech/+bug/259471 To work around this, I just build, but don't install, gnome-speech by hand and then copy the *.so file: sudo cp gnome-speech/.libs/GNOME_Speech_module.so /usr/lib/orbit-2.0/ Will From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 19 17:08:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 49F337500EA for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:08:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3319 hrs), (distance 25, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 31dS48nDoGiz for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:08:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DB2B7500B5 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:08:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=JnAOd49qIPFjZ6XdJ2/BsA==:17 a=8mgBEsFx_GN-HgEKX3MA:9 a=UocIlr39_NXVQvdVqCW2a1wQ7poA:4 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Received: from [85.226.22.155] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1023212449 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:08:12 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:08:09 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Latest orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:08:22 -0000 I try to compile the latest orca But the initools or something are to old... Ubuntu 8.04 From pdm@zamazal.org Tue Aug 19 17:52:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E53A3750087 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:52:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.452 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.452 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.342, BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1206 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [217.66.176.51] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p6as1nagZn18 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zamazal.org (ip51.strelice.net [217.66.176.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 84F2F7500A6 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:52:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbird.nest.zamazal.org ([192.168.129.12]) by zamazal.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KVVNC-0003dK-Hu for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:52:02 +0200 Received: from pdm by blackbird.nest.zamazal.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KVVN9-0003dH-TA for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:59 +0200 To: orca-list@gnome.org From: Milan Zamazal Organization: BRAILCOM, o.p.s. Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:51:59 +0200 Message-ID: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 17:52:10 -0000 Is there some equivalent of live regions (recognizable by Orca) in XUL? I.e. a way to mark parts of a XUL user interface which would be recognized by Orca as potentially changing? Thanks, Milan Zamazal From nicolas@nicolas-fr.net Tue Aug 19 19:06:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B8BE4750083 for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:06:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.678 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.678 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:45:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W4:.:?:?] (up: 610 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [82.234.90.217] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TZw1aZNohozy for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vador.nicolas-fr.net (home.nicolas-fr.net [82.234.90.217]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5BA727500FC for ; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:05:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: by vador.nicolas-fr.net (Postfix, from userid 5000) id 504F710DA12; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:05:55 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [10.9.0.18] (unknown [10.9.0.18]) by vador.nicolas-fr.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDD8A10D9D1; Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:05:51 +0000 (UTC) Message-ID: <48AB1989.4020509@nicolas-fr.net> Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:05:45 +0200 From: Nicolas Robin User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="------------enig4A433C5B1382F385F54FED6B" X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 21:24:01 +0000 Cc: Nicolas Robin Subject: [orca-list] Developer near Paris ? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2008 19:06:06 -0000 This is an OpenPGP/MIME signed message (RFC 2440 and 3156) --------------enig4A433C5B1382F385F54FED6B Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, Every six month, for each release of the Ubuntu distro, we are organising a release-party in Paris (France), with demonstrations, installations and conferences. We would like to see a conference about accessibility on GNU/Linux systems, especially Ubuntu, and that is why i am writing to this list. Is there a french Orca developer living near Paris, who knows quite well the different free accessibility solutions available, ready to make a 45min-speech about them ? Please contact me if you are interested, Thanks for reading, nicolas --------------enig4A433C5B1382F385F54FED6B Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAkirGY8ACgkQbclOHkvPYl4jAACguM7tolKSNo3/MMzzZOnXuGWz rTYAoJJkp5kHHu9/Qtb+UhGxhV/UtvzX =i7h3 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------enig4A433C5B1382F385F54FED6B-- From jbsn@tpg.com.au Wed Aug 20 07:30:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54817500A5 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:30:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:216:1:60:M1460, S, T, N, W7:.:?:?] (up: 6382 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [203.12.160.182] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id B45zF1SsndgI for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:30:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail14.tpgi.com.au (mail14.tpgi.com.au [203.12.160.182]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BCE3575006E for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:30:21 +0000 (GMT) X-TPG-Antivirus: Passed Received: from arnold (60-240-255-203.static.tpgi.com.au [60.240.255.203]) by mail14.tpgi.com.au (envelope-from jbsn@tpg.com.au) (8.14.3/8.14.3) with ESMTP id m7K7UHmr017480 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:30:18 +1000 Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:32:36 +1000 From: Jan and Bertil Smark Nilsson To: Milton Message-ID: <20080820073236.GA7887@arnold> References: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <001601c901f3$70d70430$0901a8c0@milton> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] rss reader X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 07:30:28 -0000 On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 02:02:23PM +0200, Milton wrote: > Dear listers, > > > > Is there a RSS Reader accessible for Orca? Yes, Firefox. Bertil Smark Nilsson From hrvojekatic@gmail.com Wed Aug 20 08:56:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CC8C7500F3 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:56:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 11707 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.232] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vsb7bc52hs53 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:56:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.232]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7BA0750071 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:56:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so167065wra.27 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:56:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:x-mimeole; bh=qAwXtTs/R4Q3ydbu1H3UhAUsAePoPb0brw3+T1Sgfqs=; b=B3JPav0JH/x2LblXqF1HvBATk70HiR6shruzIF3A0pAd4Tzpc0KGdQKhKV+OF+20Lm Nwkat+qt6ekPf2jF2i4geP5GDvotZAjk8NX4dO07NM9148GNcUZ7TokdCLVXr5JWzLPN Nv0jtFQMCpfBfEunAmmg0RlZCwnuqhF31aDcg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :x-mimeole; b=EjnyKC1+Vf/vsIBv6+DvCT5yCTiy1K02sEWE/c/rhHMmYDVFoyGJFnAju1sHN6kK9U FIThA5qyUqV3K3kxvk1oXE7o2+fju31CWQxu6IB2UOsNd6ZWQf6Bh4dsJ5I7O7Xf+TlN +0zflh23PyS//H6tzWF1sqbJgPknh67Wqa/qk= Received: by 10.90.117.20 with SMTP id p20mr11051616agc.28.1219222598860; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from daw ( [83.131.64.26]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id x55sm485195hsx.19.2008.08.20.01.56.36 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 20 Aug 2008 01:56:38 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <981778E1D2C14137AD0F9478F63FDB77@daw> From: "Hrvoje Katic" To: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 10:56:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="windows-1250"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 Subject: [orca-list] Ubuntu 8.04.1 installation problems, Orca wont launch! X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 08:56:51 -0000 Hi all, I'm writing for the first time so I'd like to introduce myself first. I am Hrvoje from Europe/Croatia, I am 21 years old and I am a low vision person. I have experience with various Windows versions, and I also tryed Ubuntu since 6.10 release. So here's my problem. Yesterday I downloaded Ubuntu 8.04.1 from Ubuntu Web site, however I've got some problems. So I tryed to install Ubuntu 8.04.1 on my NEC laptop with 512 MB of RAM, Intel Pentium 1.86 GHZ processor, Intel Mobile graphics card, Conexant AC Link Audio sound card. So I bought some blank CDs and burned Hardy on one of them. Ok, it boots well, I choose english by pressing Enter, then I down arrow to install, I press F5 then 3 for Orca, then Enter twice. However, with my little vision I can see that the installation screen shows up, but Orca doesn't launch, because there's no speech output nor Orca's window. I tryed it a lot of times without any chance. Then I tryed the old method using the Ubiquity script, however when I type in sudo su orca --no-setup --disable main-window Orca then starts and says "welcome to Orca" However after I type ubiquity the installer screen shows up but Orca wont speak! I thought it was fixed in final release, and I'm even using 8.04.1, not 8.04! So I really don't have an idea why this didn't work, since on my another PC (AMD Sempron 2600+, 1.61 GHZ, 512 MB of RAM) it works fine and orca starts speaking when I boot with the installer. I previously tryed older versions of Ubuntu (7.04 and 7.10) on the same Laptop and everything worked as expected, however in current 8.04.1 release, Orca doesn't launch or work with the installer like before. O yeah, and also I'd like to note that I had the same problem before on my PC as well, but only with 8.04 release. With 8.04.1 it works on my PC as I said above. I have no idea is this problem with my laptop configuration, or simply a bug in Ubuntu. So please help! Regards Hrvoje MSN: hrkatic@hotmail.com Skype: hrvojekatic From guenni.post@gmx.de Wed Aug 20 12:41:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A16547501E7 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:41:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5442 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QTzrpslWDdDT for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:41:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id F173B750106 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:36:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Aug 2008 12:36:10 -0000 Received: from p57AB4774.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.71.116] by mail.gmx.net (mp008) with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 14:36:10 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18JYp4eYd4JEv1Rlsof9DOaROB39aJfvP9q7HyuTI 8Y5gkUrg80tKXU Message-ID: <48AC0FAF.90305@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:35:59 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080819030428) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.78 Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher won't work X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 12:41:33 -0000 Hi I followed the steps from the orca-wiki to enable speech-dispatcher for hardy. I installed it and copied the file. I srote the neccessary stuff in the sessio preference dialogue Name speech-dispatcher command: speech-dispatcher -d -l 1 -C /home/guenni/.speech-dispatcher But after logging in and out he didn't want to talk for spd-say hello I got: Client speech-dispatcher won't open connection refused. What's wrong? Guenni From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Wed Aug 20 13:05:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B87750147 for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:05:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.171] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mU7L7eqMKMmT for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:05:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88F7675013C for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:04:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B211A9F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.26.159]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1KVnMt09Mb-0005Vv; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:04:55 +0200 From: Hermann To: Anne =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther?= In-Reply-To: <48AC0FAF.90305@gmx.de> ("Anne =?iso-8859-1?Q?G=FCnther=22's?= message of "Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:35:59 +0200") References: <48AC0FAF.90305@gmx.de> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:05:01 +0200 Message-ID: <87vdxv96rm.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+6dh+x1aM7nmS/mk70urHt5RJKvxL/DARmeUM BC2N0sWEZ8WxUtYtL6ZmldlYNr8BaUeSkOD2jpp/ppq3vZYaFl Y6oCnNU4q7j9vRT92ZPiw== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher won't work X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:05:19 -0000 On 20.08.2008 at 14:35:59 Anne G=FCnther wrote: > Hi > I followed the steps from the orca-wiki to enable speech-dispatcher > for hardy. I installed it and copied the file. I srote the neccessary > stuff in the sessio preference dialogue > Name speech-dispatcher > command: speech-dispatcher -d -l 1 -C /home/guenni/.speech-dispatcher Which version? If it is 0.6.7, you may try: command: speech-dispatcher -d -l 1 -C /home/guenni/.speech-dispatcher/conf You must set up SD in order to make it talk at all. Again: If you've installed SD 0.6.7 type as user: spd-conf and answer the questions. If you succeeded, SD should talk. Note: Don't switch to SD in Orca, unless it is talking in the text console. Second note: Check out the list archive in order to read a big bunch of mails all dealing with Hardy and SD, and be prepared for some frustration. To configure SD on Hardy might become hard. Hermann From guenni.post@gmx.de Wed Aug 20 13:51:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CC0075011F for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:51:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 286 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R+uCH19gWdME for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:51:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id E478975012C for ; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:51:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 20 Aug 2008 13:51:35 -0000 Received: from p57AB639E.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.99.158] by mail.gmx.net (mp053) with SMTP; 20 Aug 2008 15:51:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+K7B4CsmmKQOko6CZAQlDFSGRETSIZQmHGykmChG YZrM2LtSVQgPHx Message-ID: <48AC2161.1090105@gmx.de> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:51:29 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080819030428) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.62 Subject: [orca-list] rspeech-dispatcher won't work qp X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:51:47 -0000 -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher won't work Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:25:11 +0200 From: Anne Günther To: Hermann References: <48AC0FAF.90305@gmx.de> <87vdxv96rm.fsf@onlinehome.de> Hi Hermann wrote: making sd talk might become hard. Well, as far as I got it it's the only way to stop orca from hänging itself every twenty minutes. If there's any easier way. I'll gladly try that. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 21 00:34:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A524750071 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:34:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ce5oxAiHENnv for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:34:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D4EA175006E for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:34:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7L0YKT3026962 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:34:20 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5X00801DGWDC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5X00HE3DL76860@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:34:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:34:16 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <964C4291B0E44AF7A8A9FB23930D547C@ricardo> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?S=E9rgio?= Neves Message-id: <1219278856.26810.7.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <964C4291B0E44AF7A8A9FB23930D547C@ricardo> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] tree views a little bit inaccessible X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:34:30 -0000 Hi Sérgio: This looks like a bug in accessing the authorizations page. I just logged a bug on your behalf: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=548772 Will On Fri, 2008-08-01 at 15:28 +0100, Sérgio Neves wrote: > I have ubuntu 8.04 and the latest orca from svn. > It seems orca doesn't read some items of some tree views, for example, > the > one on authorizations program (system menu -> administration -> > authorizations), or the gnome-device-manager. Even if I press insert > +f5, > sometimes orca doesn't read the item and I have to perform some tries. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 21 00:38:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BC347500BE for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:38:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ume2K4Jqgtu2 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:38:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2D8A75007C for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:38:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7L0cfYf018172 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:38:41 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5X00B01DMU0200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5X00HEEDSG6870@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 20 Aug 2008 18:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2008 20:38:37 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Milan Zamazal Message-id: <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 00:38:53 -0000 Hi Milan: I'm not sure, though I suspect the answer is "no". :-( Instead of using XUL, have you considered using an ARIA-based toolkit such as Dojo? Will On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 19:51 +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote: > Is there some equivalent of live regions (recognizable by Orca) in XUL? > I.e. a way to mark parts of a XUL user interface which would be > recognized by Orca as potentially changing? > > Thanks, > > Milan Zamazal > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Thu Aug 21 07:25:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46F617501C8 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:25:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 10787 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mpJNjKg+sA-0 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:24:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 534427500C2 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:24:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 7245 invoked by uid 89); 21 Aug 2008 07:24:37 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 7203, pid: 7241, t: 0.2360s scanners: clamav: 0.90.3/m:43/d:3378 Received: from unknown (HELO xkljiwn14xc) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp6.aruba.it with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 07:24:37 -0000 Message-ID: <5D1E821DD3644498A5005DF2DB8967C6@xkljiwn14xc> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:24:36 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] orca speaks in english, why? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:25:09 -0000 Hi, I installed ubuntu 8.04 via Wubi into two pc, my desktop and my laptop. I hope to learn anough to use this operative system every day. The strange thing is that in my desktop orca speaks in italian, instead into my laptop it speaks menu and preference window in english. It correctly selects italian synthesizer automatically, but menu, option and preferences and welcome message are in english. This is not a great problem, anyway have you any idea about this? Bye. -- Simone Dal Maso. Homepage di sviluppo comunita' NVDA: http://www.nvda.it homepage gruppo musicale non piu' aggiornata ma simpatica: http://www.juvox.it From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Thu Aug 21 07:41:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B1A8D750078 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:41:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.48 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.48 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, WHOIS_DMNBYPROXY=0.478] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 10801 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4fOzFKjmi5Qs for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:41:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5411A7500A8 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:41:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 1457 invoked by uid 89); 21 Aug 2008 07:41:01 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 1440, pid: 1452, t: 0.2095s scanners: clamav: 0.88.4/m:40/d:1722 Received: from unknown (HELO xkljiwn14xc) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp3.aruba.it with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 07:41:01 -0000 Message-ID: <7DB62450C2CD49B6AB90DF1C7072308B@xkljiwn14xc> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 09:40:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] voxin, solved problem with password X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 07:41:14 -0000 A part that the voxin team answered me 3 times, but I didn't read it due to my little experience with evolution, there is a solution that I want write if some people are in my same situation. The problem was that, when installing voxin script, before entering password, the system gives an error saying can't insert padlock, and gives all the path of a module that it can't find. It says: Warning: Error inserting padlock_aes (/lib/modules/2.6.24-16-generic/kernel/drivers/crypto/padlock-aes.ko) then, there is the enter password, but we always have a wrong password response. The solution is blacklisting and so disabling the loading of padlock. you can do, as root or similar: cat > /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-padlock_aes blacklist padlock_aes blacklist geode_aes references of this problem/bug are here: http://ubuntu-virginia.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=780419 I hope it could be useful to someone. Bye. From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Thu Aug 21 08:22:44 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4468E750117 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:22:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 10797 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sC+Cih-dD5r7 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:22:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id AC332750078 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:22:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 6563 invoked by uid 89); 21 Aug 2008 08:22:29 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 6557, pid: 6561, t: 0.2088s scanners: clamav: 0.90.3/m:43/d:3378 Received: from unknown (HELO xkljiwn14xc) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp6.aruba.it with SMTP; 21 Aug 2008 08:22:29 -0000 Message-ID: <4937B463CEB34B5ABA8913A8B36CC33D@xkljiwn14xc> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: References: <5D1E821DD3644498A5005DF2DB8967C6@xkljiwn14xc> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 10:22:29 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca speaks in english, why? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:22:44 -0000 it seems to be an ubuntu problem, since some packages are in italian, other in English. Perhaps ubuntu didn't recognize fully my system? in a laptop, it could possible. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 21 12:03:19 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54FA3750197 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:03:19 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pLZBDWxJwOZf for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 012C875007C for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:03:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7LC38ah009141 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:03:08 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K5Y00L019CB8000@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:03:08 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K5Y00DAM9GW53D0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 06:02:57 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 08:02:54 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <5D1E821DD3644498A5005DF2DB8967C6@xkljiwn14xc> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Simone Dal Maso Message-id: <1219320174.8054.5.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <5D1E821DD3644498A5005DF2DB8967C6@xkljiwn14xc> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca speaks in english, why? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:03:19 -0000 Hi: This might be that the translation isn't complete yet (see http://l10n.gnome.org/module/orca). Is *everything* coming up in English, or are just some words in English and others in Italian? In addition, what does "echo $LANG" give you in a gnome-terminal? Will On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 09:24 +0200, Simone Dal Maso wrote: > Hi, > I installed ubuntu 8.04 via Wubi into two pc, my desktop and my laptop. > I hope to learn anough to use this operative system every day. > The strange thing is that in my desktop orca speaks in italian, instead into > my laptop it speaks menu and preference window in english. > It correctly selects italian synthesizer automatically, but menu, option and > preferences and welcome message are in english. > This is not a great problem, anyway have you any idea about this? > Bye. > -- > Simone Dal Maso. > > Homepage di sviluppo comunita' NVDA: > http://www.nvda.it > homepage gruppo musicale non piu' aggiornata ma simpatica: > http://www.juvox.it > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Thu Aug 21 13:41:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B9CCF750170 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:41:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3764 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DP9vqgatskDx for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:41:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe10.swip.net [212.247.155.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1B6B7502F9 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:39:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=wWCoqJSrV_KyKgk7wM0A:9 a=9pf3lARsBG3NFsUTttxT_5KlWRQA:4 a=PKjY-mI1yN0A:10 Received: from [85.224.127.96] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 877986265 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:38:59 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 15:38:57 +0200 Message-Id: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] gnome-speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:41:19 -0000 i try to compile gnome-speech it work but the compiler not compile espeak and fonix and both are installed what are wrong? From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 21 17:24:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E67F37500C2 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:24:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 9646 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HqGxb2HAfXJx for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:24:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05E1D75012E for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:24:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4BCAA3BA53; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:24:15 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8D94528007; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:18 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id YgFNcTZjsq36; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:18 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (mta-out3 [192.168.30.28]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF4AB2800B; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:17 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DD016B41F3; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:11 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "mattias" , References: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:24:17 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Openoffice ORG Writer and misspelled words marked by red color related question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:24:28 -0000 Dear developers of Orca, I would like to please You, if You could try to analize The structure of open Office ORG Writer application, if there is any chance, that Orca could support The function for setting up The beginning or end of A block inside text area in The opened or writted new document in Openoffice ORG writer application. In Microsoft Word, object model support methods for selecting The begin or end of a selected block. Last question Do Openoffice ORG Writer support function mark misspelled word by highlighting those words by red color? Or this feature is not awailable even for sighted users, so function from tools menu must be recalled to check document for misspelled words? If Openoffice ORG Writer also supports highlighting misspelled word by using red color, could be possible to detect this by using Orca? After two years, I have got information, that Object model do not support this. I would like to have a complex programmer question, if this issue could not be solved by using little library written in C language so Orca could call it from Python language and May be, that Assembler could also help. May be, that this information about misspelled word could be obtained by monitoring memory regions in RAM or by monitoring display driver or video memory? I Am aware, that if somebody of developers are reading my little science fiction notes about this, my goal is to enable Orca users to know, if Word after pressing CTRL+left or CTRL+right arrow is marked as misspelled or no. If this feature is not supported by Openoffice ORG object model and can not be added bbecause this could significantly slowdown whole threads of Open Office Word Writer, my opinion is, that onlyone chance is to develope little program in C or Assembler language. Try to imagine The braille support by Orca, without little modules written in C language, which are able to communicate with Brltty? Try to imagine to realize this project by using Python. Eventhough it is very sad, some tasks related to develope Screen Readers can not be made by using high level programming languages. If somebody of us know about simpler way to access this information, I will welcome Your comments. I Am writing this because I Am very sad, that there are some information, which are very difficult to access for programmers of Screen Readers and because of it also very difficult to accessible by visually impaired users. My goal of this little message is to start The discussion about accessing information about misspelled words in Openoffice ORG writer application. May be, that development team of Openoffice ORG could also help. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From janina@rednote.net Thu Aug 21 18:44:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C3EF7501FD for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:44:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1851 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XzhAcLXTb3hE for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:44:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1062C7500BD for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:43:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (sonata.rednote.net [IPv6:2001:470:b804:1:216:d3ff:fecc:ec01]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7LIhaGk017582 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:43:47 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7LIhalr018661 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:43:36 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7LIhaw9018660 for orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:43:36 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:43:36 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20080821184336.GB31604@sonata.rednote.net> References: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net 2.6.26.2-14.spk.fc9.x86_64 Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8069/Thu Aug 21 17:36:55 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:44:43 -0000 I'm not meaning to speak for Milan, but my interpretation of the problem is that we need a way for users to define ARIA type handling where web authors have not done so. A case in point: http://tunnelbroker.net This site breaks a11y with its js script that continuously updates its estimate of when we will run out of IPv4 resources. In fact, it drives up the load and will eventually crash the machine if FF isn't stopped. Quick and dirty workaround: Add the following two lines to your /etc/hosts ... ::1 entne.jp entne 127.0.0.1 entne.jp entne Why does this workaround fix the problem on Tunnel Broker? Because the js script that runs that rapidly auto-yupdating "Live Region" is sourced from entne.jp. Thus, defining the address of entne.jp as localhost via the most ancient of Internet mechanisms effectively blocks that script from being sourced. Assuming none of us has reason otherwise to communicate with entne.jp, it's a workable work-around, but it's not a solution. As things stand, the end user of tunnelbroker.net has no other solution--except perhaps a Firefox plugin filter for that address--same workaround strategy. We can write to Tunnel Broker and ask them to add ARIA ml, and perhaps we should, but this will not solve all such emerging issues. I could supply other examples, but the bottom line is unchanged. Perhaps it's not an Orca issue, perhaps its a FF issue. But we need mechanisms for users to define live-regions and set their preferred politeness levels, etc., etc re ARIA. Janina Willie Walker writes: > Hi Milan: > > I'm not sure, though I suspect the answer is "no". :-( Instead of > using XUL, have you considered using an ARIA-based toolkit such as Dojo? > > Will > > On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 19:51 +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote: > > Is there some equivalent of live regions (recognizable by Orca) in XUL? > > I.e. a way to mark parts of a XUL user interface which would be > > recognized by Orca as potentially changing? > > > > Thanks, > > > > Milan Zamazal > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 19:01:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DE9E75026D for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:01:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm258663agd.21.2008.08.21.11.59.59 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:00:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ADBB2D.20905@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 13:59:57 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080817031312) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] no sound under opensuse11. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:01:03 -0000 Hello all, Posted this question to the opensuse list and didn't get many responses so figured I'd try here. I just tried the opensuse 11 live cd. When I bring up the talking boot menu, it speaks just fine. However, when I boot into the system I hear no startup music and running orca produces no speech. I have a del optiplex210 with a soundblaster audigy soundcard and a gig of ram. I disabled the onboard audio awhile back for ubuntu edgy and figure it's still disabled. Any ideas? Ubuntu with wubi works fine so confused why opensuse doesn't. Thanks, Mike From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 21 19:02:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41A33750243 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:02:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 8191 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.92] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4+dbfeXxuMp8 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:02:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (smtp-out4.iol.cz [194.228.2.92]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7F54375027B for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:01:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir6.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.215]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBCF2CE4122; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:01:08 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71795AD0059; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:01:12 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir6.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir6.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id a3HYjB7f8nMs; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:01:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out4.iol.cz (mta-out4 [192.168.30.31]) by antivir6.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59B15AD0057; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:01:12 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out4.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 237AF7040CC; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:01:08 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" , "mattias" , References: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:01:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Is it possible to copy .iso images of Linux distribution to USB flash disk and boot Linux from this stick? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:02:29 -0000 Dear users and developers, As many of us probably know, developers of many Linux distributions are developing Live daily builds of their distributions. For example, Ubuntu development team, but also other developers of Linux distributions are developing Alpha releases. Often usage of CD RW or DVD drives can unfortunately corrupt The laser lens, as I have experience. Dos somebody of us know about even commercial not very expensive tool, for example to The price 60 US dollars, which could be used for transferring .iso images to USB flash disk? Or this tool is not awailable and do not exist, or it development could be very expensive and complex? Thank You very much for Your advice. The kindness regards. Janusz Chmiel From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 21 19:33:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FD7B7500B2 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:33:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 9668 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JQmb5dawqr+I for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:33:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AAA67500D9 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:33:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755C6BC808E; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:33:10 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B71B128007; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:13 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id OPkf+3Tl4HPW; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E5DF28006; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2AE858AC11B; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <094FB63468164714B4E65A4C935326F7@alskdfffffffffffffffffffj> From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Mike Reiser" , "Orca List" References: <48ADBB2D.20905@gmail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:33:15 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] no sound under opensuse11. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:33:28 -0000 Good evening, Try to not use speak boot menu by pressing F8. It will probably not help to You. It is possible, that The drivers for Your sound cart are not included on The Opensuse Live CD. Try to browse opensuse.org for community section or downloads and may Be, that You will find The direct link for sending bug report. Please give them exact model of Your sound cart. You can even try Alpha releases of Opensuse, but I Am strongly recommend YOu not to install Alpha releases to Hard drive and for security reasons do not manipulate from those distribution versions with sensitive data. I think, that it is not probable, that crash of Alpha release booted from A live Cd could start to randomly control Your harddrive for example. Try to post it to Opensuse community. Mr Darragh Ó Héiligh could also help you. Try to not use F8 key during booting to opensuse. From vo1ryn@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 19:36:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06E37750007 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:36:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.276 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.276 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=0.274, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 7034 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.18] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nENezkcK7OwN for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:36:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C8827500C2 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:36:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so531055gxk.15 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:36:29 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; bh=KNY8m/3lx81Wy4UkKHhO2ljeFO+zGKkLksgrM6VxmZA=; b=QJQbOGoxNTbjxGyoolotLcg+tjes68Ztix0VpvLgnfSIVPpPTqBMPPYqZ4xQpzxp5Z y1lVZTmlJQl+kAo8b+9GquqAROwU4cwPnL4qyZs9wpgX3gX0mQV1omaqliL2g0tC2LXX 2yW72sh25VDfHtWzea9O3OsjAK7VTErfDYu/s= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; b=oL/DH7U/OVjPv1pld1pcEPe+28nnu1hZHA3bZ/efmHMcuYXH45LG1sXJpvZeqdpmR3 YR5f18aGofOd4lhkeB63JxEs3XMFVdNwQ2+efB+T/c/HP8+ttjWWufOhG7r9rlmp79Re 5HPx36A2HSTGmgOzG3a6lCUtNpfDuaa0tv2/E= Received: by 10.150.153.3 with SMTP id a3mr341837ybe.94.1219347389062; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:36:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intrepid ( [72.139.71.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id p9sm495200qbp.15.2008.08.21.12.36.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 12:36:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000301c903ea$e32e4220$a9478b48@intrepid> From: "Michael Ryan" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:06:10 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Subject: [orca-list] PC Linux... X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:36:36 -0000 Hi all: I know this maybe off topic but, has anyone heard of PC Linux OS? I believe it uses the KDE environment and I was wondering if Orca is available as well as a talking install? Thanks: Michael From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 21 19:52:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E307E7500D9 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:52:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 9671 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tMJ4Oskv-vZN for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:52:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C79C0750107 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 11D67BC80D2; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:52:19 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5564528006; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:52:22 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id kEaKiXfH57ED; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 382D828005; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AF0358AC19F; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:52:22 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: "Michael Ryan" , References: <000301c903ea$e32e4220$a9478b48@intrepid> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:52:24 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="ISO-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] PC Linux... X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 19:52:36 -0000 Dear master, KDE desktop system is currently not supported by Screen Reader, which You could valuably use. The Accessibility project for enabling users to use KDE with Screen Reader is relatively new and this project exists for short time. The development team started with Accessibility architecture development and The development team is also developing Speech driver similar module like Gnome speech services is, but everythink is in The stage of testing and can not be used for valuable work. Try to rather use Gnome desktop environment instead of waiting for accessibility support for KDE. Orca is providing valuable assistive technology tool for accessing most important and The most used applications, which are supporting At-spi accessibility architecture for Gnome. If You would like to use Linux operating system with graphical user interface really valuably and with best stability awailable, try some distributions with Orca. Ubuntu Linux could be very good choice. Opensuse is also working very well, but Festival synthesizer is only included,so if You would like to use other languages after installation, You had to install Espeak support or You had to install other text to speech engines. Mr Walker is intensively working on The accessible Opensolaris distribution. But my opinion is, that Opensuse and Ubuntu Linux are now The best awailable distributions specially prepared for visually impaired computer users. I Am appreciating development team of Fedora and if I do not know about other distributions, I Am very sorry. I Am appreciating all developers of all Linux distributions. But I know about those distributions, Ubuntu and Opensuse. If somebody of us know other accessible distributions, I will and not only I will welcome those information. Foresight Linux live Cd with Gnome from Year 2007 can not be installed and I experienced problems during plug and play process, My sound cart could not be founded. And Orca has been probably modified, so no setup dialog box welcomed Me, only Welcome to Orca main Window appeared. No chance to enable accessibility support for Gnome. Opensolaris will be probably thirt distribution, which could be used by visually impaired users after finishing programmers work and deep cooperational task with development team of Opensolaris. Everythink will be awailable thanks to Sun Microsystems and development team of Orca and thanks to very valuable and kind man Mr Willie Walker. I Am very glad, that this man was born. From chmiel@phil.muni.cz Thu Aug 21 20:16:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BC2975033B for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:16:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (NAT!) (up: 9674 hrs), (distance 20, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [194.228.2.91] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mQmyZnZ7flpc for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:16:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-out3.iol.cz (smtp-out3.iol.cz [194.228.2.91]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D7D875022F for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:13:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from antivir5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.212]) by smtp-out3.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 960583B88E for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:12:54 +0000 (UTC) Received: from localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9ACC28006 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:12:57 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at iol.cz Received: from antivir5.iol.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (antivir5.iol.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10224) with LMTP id w-v42hJkHXTM for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:12:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from smtp-out5.iol.cz (unknown [192.168.30.34]) by antivir5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id B05F028005 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:12:57 +0200 (CEST) Received: from alskdfffffffffffffffffffj (116.202.broadband7.iol.cz [88.102.202.116]) by smtp-out5.iol.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2F4608AC173 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:12:58 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: From: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" To: Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:12:59 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0176_01C903DB.1211D710" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] Remarkable stability improvements in Ubuntu Linux while using Espeak and Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:16:39 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C903DB.1211D710 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Dear users, I would like to announce You, that Accessibility development team of = ubuntu Linux is intensively working on fixing errors related to = stability problem while using Espeak with Orca. I tested Live CD from = beginning of August for more than 1 hour, without issues related to = random crashes of Espeak and Orca. I would like to thank core developers = of ubuntu, all members of Accessibility department development team of = Ubuntu for their complex work. I noticed significant improvement while using live CD dated to 1.8.2008 = 8:40. Core developers repaired problems while using suspend mode feature = with my IBM thinkpat laptop. After activation of my laptop from A = suspent mode, Gnome has restarted similarly like after using = CTRL+SHIFT+Backspace. I pressed Enter. I could use Orca without = problems. The stability while using Orca with Espeak has been rapidly = improved. I focused on A situations, while user do not let Espeak to = finish it's speaking process. Everythink worked very well for Me. So if = core developers will consider The best stage of Audio subsystems = support, I think, that The development version from first of August = could be used. Eventhough I know, that The development is still = continuing. But I Am writing about it because it can happen, that = developers will have to consider, which version of development modules = should they include to next official version. I will post valuable words to development conference of Ubuntu. I wisch all members of this conference much love, happyness, much luck, = much personal achievements.=20 The kindness regards. Yours Janusz Chmiel, man, who has problems with English grammar and = spelling. Thank You very much for YOur patience with my English. Writing = to this conference enables Me to improve my English language skils. = Thank You very much for Your understanding.=20 ------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C903DB.1211D710 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Dear users,
 
I would like to announce You, that = Accessibility=20 development team of ubuntu Linux is intensively working on fixing = errors=20 related to stability problem while using Espeak with Orca. I tested Live = CD from=20 beginning of August for more than 1 hour, without issues related to = random=20 crashes of Espeak and Orca. I would like to thank core developers of = ubuntu, all=20 members of Accessibility department development team of Ubuntu for their = complex=20 work.
 
I noticed significant improvement while = using live=20 CD dated to 1.8.2008 8:40. Core developers repaired problems while using = suspend=20 mode feature with my  IBM thinkpat laptop. After activation of my = laptop=20 from A suspent mode, Gnome has restarted similarly like after using=20 CTRL+SHIFT+Backspace. I pressed Enter. I could use Orca without = problems. The=20 stability while using Orca with Espeak has been rapidly improved. I = focused on A=20 situations, while user do not let Espeak to finish it's speaking = process.=20 Everythink worked very well for Me. So if core developers will consider = The best=20 stage of Audio subsystems support, I think, that The development version = from=20 first of August could be used. Eventhough I know, that The development = is still=20 continuing. But I Am writing about it because it can happen, that = developers=20 will have to consider, which version of development modules should they = include=20 to next official version.
 
I will post valuable words to = development=20 conference of Ubuntu.
 
I wisch all members of this conference = much love,=20 happyness, much luck, much personal achievements.
The kindness regards.
 
Yours Janusz Chmiel, man, who has = problems with=20 English grammar and spelling. Thank You very much for YOur patience with = my=20 English. Writing to this conference enables Me to improve my English = language=20 skils. Thank You very much for Your understanding.
 
------=_NextPart_000_0176_01C903DB.1211D710-- From demetry82@googlemail.com Thu Aug 21 21:13:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0FD7A7500A7 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:13:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [78.49.63.164]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 21sm295167fkx.13.2008.08.21.14.13.42 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:13:42 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48ADDA83.7030102@googlemail.com> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:13:39 +0200 From: Demetry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Braille Display Problem X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: demetry82@googlemail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:13:55 -0000 Hi all. My braille display it's a PAC Mate 40 cell. I tried the command brltty -b auto -d but the Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca hangs up and I can't hear nothing... How can help me? Thanks in advance. -- Best regards, Demetry From orin.angi@gmail.com Thu Aug 21 21:28:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F9B6750008 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:28:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:28:51 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C903B3.5C299C70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi all, Well, I just found out about Wubi, however it's for windows. I'm on Mac. = I have a Virtual Machine of windows on my Mac, however I wonder if = installing Wubi with it's unatended instilation under another Virtual = Machine would screw things up? I know that they are developing something called Mubi for the Mac. Does = anyone know it's status and or any alternitives? Than again I perhaps can just install a linux VMware with Fusion, = however I don't know if Fusion during it's unattended install will turn = accessibility features on. 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Hi all,
 
Well, I just found out about Wubi, = however it's for=20 windows. I'm on Mac. I have a Virtual Machine of windows on my Mac, = however I=20 wonder if installing Wubi with it's unatended instilation under another = Virtual=20 Machine would screw things up?
 
I know that they are developing = something called=20 Mubi for the Mac. Does anyone know it's status and or any=20 alternitives?
 
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P.S. While I'm at it, does anyone know = of any=20 accessible mud client  for Gnome?
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001F_01C903B3.5C299C70-- From christian08@runbox.com Thu Aug 21 21:32:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CBBDA750007 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:32:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.805 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.805 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.602, BAYES_00=-2.599, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 2992 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id H2GRg7i39WoY for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:32:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 53EC1750008 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:32:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.162] (helo=pepper.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KWHl5-0007UQ-41; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:31:55 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by pepper.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KWHl2-0002qB-Ux; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:31:53 +0200 Message-ID: <200808212331520515.003B15DA@127.0.0.1> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 23:31:52 +0200 From: "Christian" To: blinux-list@redhat.com, orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: [orca-list] Tip on how to record your sound and a question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:32:16 -0000 Hi all, I have found a way to record what is coming through my soundcard and I want= to make this command a little simpler to type. This is done with Pulseaudio installed on Ubuntu Hardy 8.04. In order to get this to work you'll need to have gstreamer-tools installed. sudo apt-get install gstreamer-tools Also, there are no line brakes in the example below. You also need to know your sound cards monitor. Here is what you type in a terminal: pactl list | grep monitor Here is the command I have to type each time I want to record in 44.1 KHz= 32-bit wave: gst-launch pulsesrc device=3Dalsa_output.usb_device_d8c_c_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playbac= k_0.monitor ! queue ! audioconvert ! wavenc ! filesink location=3Dout.wav There are other pipes that you can use as well. To stop the recording just press ctrl-c. But, how can i make some kind of shell script or simular that i just type= rec or simular and it will do all this for me? Hope this is useful to someone! 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm401453agd.21.2008.08.21.14.43.55 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 14:43:56 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Christian , Orca-list In-Reply-To: <200808212331520515.003B15DA@127.0.0.1> References: <200808212331520515.003B15DA@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-MiyzbohTWEy0Puw++4sp" Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 17:43:48 -0400 Message-Id: <1219355028.9081.16.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Tip on how to record your sound and a question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:44:08 -0000 --=-MiyzbohTWEy0Puw++4sp Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, Basically a shell script is just a quick short way to run a bunch of commands. Take a look at the additions to your syntax below and just copy and paste it in gedit. Save the file as something like record.sh. Set its permissions to 700. Just for reference: chmod 700 record.sh On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 23:31 +0200, Christian wrote: > Hi all, > I have found a way to record what is coming through my soundcard and I want to make this command a little simpler to type. > This is done with Pulseaudio installed on Ubuntu Hardy 8.04. > In order to get this to work you'll need to have gstreamer-tools installed. > sudo apt-get install gstreamer-tools > Also, there are no line brakes in the example below. > You also need to know your sound cards monitor. > Here is what you type in a terminal: > pactl list | grep monitor > Here is the command I have to type each time I want to record in 44.1 KHz 32-bit wave: #!/bin/bash > gst-launch pulsesrc > device=alsa_output.usb_device_d8c_c_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0.monitor ! queue ! audioconvert ! wavenc ! filesink location=out.wav > exit 0 > There are other pipes that you can use as well. > To stop the recording just press ctrl-c. > But, how can i make some kind of shell script or simular that i just type rec or simular and it will do all this for me? > Hope this is useful to someone! > Many thanks, > Christian > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=-MiyzbohTWEy0Puw++4sp Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Basically a shell script is just a quick short way to run a bunch of commands.  Take a look at the additions to your syntax below and just copy and paste it in gedit.  Save the file as something like record.sh.  Set its permissions to 700.  Just for reference:
chmod 700 record.sh

On Thu, 2008-08-21 at 23:31 +0200, Christian wrote: 
Hi all,
I have found a way to record what is coming through my soundcard and I want to make this command a little simpler to type.
This is done with Pulseaudio installed on Ubuntu Hardy 8.04.
In order to get this to work you'll need to have gstreamer-tools installed.
sudo apt-get install gstreamer-tools
Also, there are no line brakes in the example below.
You also need to know your sound cards monitor.
Here is what you type in a terminal:
pactl list | grep monitor
Here is the command I have to type each time I want to record in 44.1 KHz 32-bit wave:
#!/bin/bash 
gst-launch pulsesrc
device=alsa_output.usb_device_d8c_c_noserial_if0_sound_card_0_alsa_playback_0.monitor ! queue ! audioconvert ! wavenc ! filesink location=out.wav
exit 0
There are other pipes that you can use as well.
To stop the recording just press ctrl-c.
But, how can i make some kind of shell script or simular that i just type rec or simular and it will do all this for me?
Hope this is useful to someone!
Many thanks,
Christian

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--=-MiyzbohTWEy0Puw++4sp-- From rjc@MIT.EDU Thu Aug 21 22:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EEC6C7500BD for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:34:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9 (firewall!), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [18.7.7.80] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id O6jVzRlsXj2J for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:34:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (BISCAYNE-ONE-STATION.MIT.EDU [18.7.7.80]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE62B750022 for ; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:34:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from outgoing.mit.edu (OUTGOING-AUTH.MIT.EDU [18.7.22.103]) by biscayne-one-station.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.9.2) with ESMTP id m7LMYMK8003582; Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Received: from RICHLAPTOP (74-92-8-14-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [74.92.8.14] (may be forged)) (authenticated bits=0) (User authenticated as rjc@ATHENA.MIT.EDU) by outgoing.mit.edu (8.13.6/8.12.4) with ESMTP id m7LMYL2S002235 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:34:22 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <001701c903de$0a2a30d0$6702a8c0@RICHLAPTOP> From: "Rich Caloggero" To: "Janina Sajka" References: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org><1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> <20080821184336.GB31604@sonata.rednote.net> Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:33:30 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.42 Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2008 22:34:40 -0000 Seems tpo me that WEB VISUM COULD DO THIS KIND OF THING. Google's AXSJax is also supposed to add live region markup automagically, but its hard to imagine how an automated script could "guess" as to exactly which parts of the interface should be made "live". Sounds like something the user should have control of via the adaptive technology being used, or plugin like web visum. Just my two cents. -- Rich ----- Original Message ----- From: "Janina Sajka" To: "Orca screen reader developers" Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 2:43 PM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? > I'm not meaning to speak for Milan, but my interpretation of the problem > is that we need a way for users to define ARIA type handling where web > authors have not done so. > > > A case in point: > > http://tunnelbroker.net > > This site breaks a11y with its js script that continuously updates its > estimate of when we will run out of IPv4 resources. In fact, it drives > up the load and will eventually crash the machine if FF isn't stopped. > > Quick and dirty workaround: Add the following two lines to your > /etc/hosts ... > ::1 entne.jp entne > 127.0.0.1 entne.jp entne > > Why does this workaround fix the problem on Tunnel Broker? Because the > js script that runs that rapidly auto-yupdating "Live Region" is sourced > from entne.jp. Thus, defining the address of entne.jp as localhost via > the most ancient of Internet mechanisms effectively blocks that script > from being sourced. Assuming none of us has reason otherwise to > communicate with entne.jp, it's a workable work-around, but it's not a > solution. > > As things stand, the end user of tunnelbroker.net has no other > solution--except perhaps a Firefox plugin filter for that address--same > workaround strategy. We can write to Tunnel Broker and ask them to add > ARIA ml, and perhaps we should, but this will not solve all such > emerging issues. I could supply other examples, but the bottom line is > unchanged. Perhaps it's not an Orca issue, perhaps its a FF issue. But > we need mechanisms for users to define live-regions and set their > preferred politeness levels, etc., etc re ARIA. > > Janina > > > Willie Walker writes: >> Hi Milan: >> >> I'm not sure, though I suspect the answer is "no". :-( Instead of >> using XUL, have you considered using an ARIA-based toolkit such as Dojo? >> >> Will >> >> On Tue, 2008-08-19 at 19:51 +0200, Milan Zamazal wrote: >> > Is there some equivalent of live regions (recognizable by Orca) in XUL? >> > I.e. a way to mark parts of a XUL user interface which would be >> > recognized by Orca as potentially changing? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Milan Zamazal >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and > Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From wvdwalt@csir.co.za Fri Aug 22 07:25:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6221E750190 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:25:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.686 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.686 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.487, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:49:1:60:M1380,N,N,T,N,W7:.:?:?] (NAT!) (up: 1442 hrs), (link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [146.64.10.99] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZlPB8yb6t5u9 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:25:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from apollo.csir.co.za (mx-4.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAEBF75011E for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:25:26 +0000 (GMT) X-CSIR-MailScanner-Watermark: 1219994715.3473@k2SJfQQbSb/D0zQAYKa0CA Received: from localhost.localdomain ([146.64.19.125]) by apollo.csir.co.za (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7M7PCvC031202; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:25:13 +0200 Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m7M7MjEi020180; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:22:45 +0200 Received: from localhost (wvdwalt@localhost) by localhost.localdomain (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) with ESMTP id m7M7Mig4020163; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:22:45 +0200 X-Authentication-Warning: localhost.localdomain: wvdwalt owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:22:44 +0200 (SAST) From: Willem van der Walt X-X-Sender: wvdwalt@localhost.localdomain To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" In-Reply-To: Message-ID: References: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Greylist: Sender IP whitelisted, not delayed by milter-greylist-4.0rc1 (apollo.csir.co.za [146.64.10.99]); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 09:25:14 +0200 (SAST) X-CSIR-MailScanner-Information: Please contact the ISP for more information X-CSIR-MailScanner-ID: m7M7PCvC031202 X-CSIR-MailScanner: Found to be clean X-CSIR-MailScanner-SpamScore: s X-CSIR-MailScanner-From: wvdwalt@csir.co.za Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Is it possible to copy .iso images of Linux distribution to USB flash disk and boot Linux from this stick? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:25:46 -0000 1. It is possible to copy the ISO image to the stick, but to build a bootable stick is not as simple as that. On the bright side, no tools needs development and if you google for booting Linux off usb flash you might find the information. In principal I think you copy the ISO content as apposed to the iso image to the stick and then pull some tricks to get it to boot. Just remember that flash memory sticks also have a lifetime and will not last forever if you overwrite them on a regular basis. Note, this is not on topick for this llist, I think. Regards, Willem On Thu, 21 Aug 2008, Mgr. Janusz Chmiel wrote: > Dear users and developers, > > As many of us probably know, developers of many Linux distributions are > developing Live daily builds of their distributions. For example, Ubuntu > development team, but also other developers of Linux distributions are > developing Alpha releases. Often usage of CD RW or DVD drives can > unfortunately corrupt The laser lens, as I have experience. Dos somebody of us > know about even commercial not very expensive tool, for example to The price > 60 US dollars, which could be used for transferring .iso images to USB flash > disk? Or this tool is not awailable and do not exist, or it development could > be very expensive and complex? Thank You very much for Your advice. > > The kindness regards. > > Janusz Chmiel > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- This message is subject to the CSIR's copyright terms and conditions, e-mail legal notice, and implemented Open Document Format (ODF) standard. The full disclaimer details can be found at http://www.csir.co.za/disclaimer.html. This message has been scanned for viruses and dangerous content by MailScanner, and is believed to be clean. MailScanner thanks Transtec Computers for their support. From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 11:57:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 05CFF750226 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:57:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id REFoKJhG8ooL for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:57:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 407DA7501E2 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:56:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MBuBXE005302 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:56:11 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000E013P89600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000DP13TMP700@mail-amer.sun.com> for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 05:56:11 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 07:56:10 -0400 From: Willie Walker Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Orca List Message-id: MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_9I1cwZl2TFWn2vzhYRlvrQ)" Subject: [orca-list] Fwd: [Bug 259471] Re: Intrepid lib-gnomespeech package missing /usr/lib/orbit-2.0/GNOME_Speech_module.so X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 11:57:53 -0000 --Boundary_(ID_9I1cwZl2TFWn2vzhYRlvrQ) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE FYI...the missing gnome-speech file problem has been fixed on Intrepi= d. Luke rocks, thanks Luke! Will Begin forwarded message: > From: Launchpad Bug Tracker <259471@bugs.launchpad.net> > Date: August 21, 2008 10:20:08 PM EDT > To: William.Walker@Sun.COM > Subject: [Bug 259471] Re: Intrepid lib-gnomespeech package missing= =20 > /usr/lib/orbit-2.0/GNOME_Speech_module.so > Reply-To: Bug 259471 <259471@bugs.launchpad.net> > > This bug was fixed in the package gnome-speech - 1:0.4.21-0ubuntu2 > > --------------- > gnome-speech (1:0.4.21-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=3Dlow > > * debian/rules: Remove configure flags --enable-static and=20 > --disable-shared > that somehow made their way into the rules file, perhaps from a= =20 > bad merge. > (LP: #259471) > > -- Luke Yelavich Thu, 21 Aug 2008 21:54:14= =20 > +1000 > > ** Changed in: gnome-speech (Ubuntu) > Status: New =3D> Fix Released > > --=20 > Intrepid lib-gnomespeech package missing=20 > /usr/lib/orbit-2.0/GNOME_Speech_module.so > https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/259471 > You received this bug notification because you are a direct subscri= ber > of the bug. > > Status in =93gnome-speech=94 source package in Ubuntu: Fix Released > > Bug description: > Without this file, PyORBit cannot find the GNOME_Speech typelib. A= s a=20 > result, applications such as Orca that use gnome-speech via Python= =20 > will fail. --Boundary_(ID_9I1cwZl2TFWn2vzhYRlvrQ) Content-type: text/enriched; charset=WINDOWS-1252 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE FYI...the missing gnome-speech file problem has been fixed on Intrepi= d.=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0ALuke rocks, thanks Luke!=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AWill= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0ABegin forwarded message:=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A= 0000,0000,0000From:=0D=0AL= aunchpad Bug Tracker <<259471@bugs.launchpad.net>=0D=0A=0D=0A0000,0000,0000Date: August=0D=0A21= , 2008 10:20:08 PM EDT=0D=0A=0D=0A0000,0000,0000<= /param>To:=0D=0AWilliam.Walker@Sun.COM=0D=0A=0D=0A0000,0000,0000Subject: [Bug=0D=0A2594= 71] Re: Intrepid lib-gnomespeech package missing=0D=0A/usr/lib/orbit-= 2.0/GNOME_Speech_module.so=0D=0A=0D=0A0000,0000,0000Reply-To: Bug=0D=0A259471 <<259471@bugs.launchpad= .net>=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AThis bug was fixed in the package gnome-speech= - 1:0.4.21-0ubuntu2=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A---------------=0D=0A=0D=0Agnom= e-speech (1:0.4.21-0ubuntu2) intrepid; urgency=3Dlow=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D= =0A * debian/rules: Remove configure flags --enable-static and=0D= =0A--disable-shared=0D=0A=0D=0A that somehow made their way into t= he rules file, perhaps from a=0D=0Abad merge.=0D=0A=0D=0A (LP: #25= 9471)=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A -- Luke Yelavich < Thu,= 21 Aug 2008 21:54:14=0D=0A+1000=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A** Changed in: gnom= e-speech (Ubuntu)=0D=0A=0D=0A Status: New =3D> Fix Released= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0A-- =0D=0A=0D=0AIntrepid lib-gnomespeech package mis= sing=0D=0A/usr/lib/orbit-2.0/GNOME_Speech_module.so=0D=0A=0D=0Ahttps:= //bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/259471=0D=0A=0D=0AYou received this bug not= ification because you are a direct subscriber=0D=0A=0D=0Aof the bug.= =0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0AStatus in =93gnome-speech=94 source package in Ubun= tu: Fix Released=0D=0A=0D=0A=0D=0ABug description:=0D=0A=0D=0AWithout= this file, PyORBit cannot find the GNOME_Speech typelib. As a=0D= =0Aresult, applications such as Orca that use gnome-speech via Python= =0D=0Awill fail.=0D=0A=0D=0A= --Boundary_(ID_9I1cwZl2TFWn2vzhYRlvrQ)-- From guenni.post@gmx.de Fri Aug 22 13:59:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A2A1750223 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:59:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 336 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JMMQFu00k8Ck for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:59:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 7FA4C750294 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:58:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 22 Aug 2008 13:58:37 -0000 Received: from p57AB447B.dip.t-dialin.net (EHLO [192.168.2.104]) [87.171.68.123] by mail.gmx.net (mp044) with SMTP; 22 Aug 2008 15:58:37 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX19gpANdELtgmA4jZEqANL5pgGXHa/cKkREy1kR3VO PY6uXvNx1YbQ3p Message-ID: <48AEC603.3000209@gmx.de> Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:58:27 +0200 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Anne_G=FCnther?= User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080821042306) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.8 Subject: [orca-list] Acroread? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:59:53 -0000 Hi I tried to read a pdf-document. I can read the headings, but not the actual text. He tells me I'm on tree level one. I tried to install acroread-plugins but the package doesn't exist I#m using utuntu hardy and all the repositories are open except for the backport ones. How can I read my text? Guenni From pdm@zamazal.org Fri Aug 22 14:44:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93AD975011D for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:44:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.193 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.193 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.406, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1379 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [217.66.176.51] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id yueEVbQeiqa0 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:44:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zamazal.org (ip51.strelice.net [217.66.176.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8660E7500AF for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbird.nest.zamazal.org ([192.168.129.12]) by zamazal.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KWXs6-0008NH-Lj for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:44:14 +0200 Received: from pdm by blackbird.nest.zamazal.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWXs4-0008NE-8W for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:44:12 +0200 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> From: Milan Zamazal Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 16:44:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> (Willie Walker's message of "Wed\, 20 Aug 2008 20\:38\:37 -0400") Message-ID: <87y72pqfcz.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:44:22 -0000 >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> I'm not sure, though I suspect the answer is "no". :-( Instead WW> of using XUL, have you considered using an ARIA-based toolkit WW> such as Dojo? Yes, we probably will use HTML with ARIA for accessible Firefox applications. But we've already got one XUL application and I consider the cost and benefits of maintaining it further in XUL or switching its user interface to HTML/ARIA. >>>>> "AL" == Aaron Leventhal writes: AL> You can use an ARIA property in XUL, but whether or not Orca or AL> any other screen reader will recognize that and process it is AL> another question. You can try it. Good idea :-). I tried and it doesn't work unless I did anything wrong. BTW, when playing with live regions and Orca I don't understand one thing: Live region contents are read by Orca when they are changed in timers. But when I bind the same text changing function to a "button" (i.e. to an onclick attribute of an HTML element), the change is not spoken when the button is pressed (and the text changed accordingly), even when aria-live="rude", and it's not present in the live region history (Orca+F1). Is it intended behavior or do I do anything wrong? If the latter, is there a working example (from the point of view of Orca reading) of a live region which is changed as a result of a user action? Regards, Milan Zamazal From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 18:53:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5203A75010B for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:53:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Q2uPpO1QO-OQ for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:53:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0EA3B75008C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:53:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MIr2I6013981 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:53:02 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000001MZP2200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:53:02 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000CTFN3UGF30@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:52:43 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:51:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mattias Message-id: <48AF0AA0.4000007@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] gnome-speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:53:13 -0000 Hi Mattias: Can you tell me more about: 1) Which version of gnome-speech you are using 2) If the 'espeak' command produces speech output 3) If the Fonix 'say' command produces speech output 4) Where you installed espeak and fonix 5) The exact commands you used to build gnome-speech, including the ./configure or ./autogen.sh command you used. Please also send me the config.log from your gnome-speech directory. Thanks! Will mattias wrote: > i try to compile gnome-speech > it work but the compiler not compile espeak and fonix > and both are installed > what are wrong? > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 19:00:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6FE2D75017C for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:00:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8SWVHvJQMU9n for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:00:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E0DCA750081 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:59:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MIxuQY017624 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 18:59:56 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000401MN6RG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:59:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000DZANFOKEF0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 12:59:48 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 14:58:18 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20080819100720.GA29314@interim.it> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Roberto Burceni Message-id: <48AF0C4A.4010807@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20080819100720.GA29314@interim.it> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and firefox with mouse clicks X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:00:09 -0000 Hi Roberto: Do you have an example URL we can take a look at? Will Roberto Burceni wrote: > Hi, I have a question: > In some sites there are buttons that you can activate only with mouse. > What can I do with orca? > The flatreview seems not function. Have you sugestions? > Regards > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 19:01:51 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45562750081 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8tAV+EvPd2uv for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDF28750073 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MJ1faT025708 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:41 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000001MZP2200@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:01:41 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000C5ENILGF50@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:01:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:00:04 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20080819073914.GA7214@interim.it> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Roberto Burceni Message-id: <48AF0CB4.90401@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20080819073914.GA7214@interim.it> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] I.m new X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:01:51 -0000 Hi Roberto: Welcome! By using the svn version of Orca, and by participating on this list, you are already being a very valuable tester. :-) Can you explain more about what you mean by participating in the tests of Orca, though? Do you want to help write automated tests for Orca? We can always use help in that area. :-) Will Roberto Burceni wrote: > all, I.m new in this list. I am a blind italian user of linux. I.m > using linus since 1999. > Orca is a great screenreader that have solved the problem with browser > internet. This is my pc configuration: > notebook hp dv6580ea with ubuntu 8.04. > I.m using svn version of orca because i like to test this program. > I have a braille display installed with brltty. > I wuld like to participate in the tests of orca. How can I do this? > Thanks in advance! > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 19:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 04A037502BB for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_EG=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id h9wjJPJcdjEX for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B08275011E for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:31:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MJVYW0028572 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:31:34 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000G01NHV8X00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:34 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K60006UOOWCHG70@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:31:25 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:29:55 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A4F151.4010706@gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Robert Spangler Message-id: <48AF13B3.3080804@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A4F151.4010706@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox Crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:17 -0000 > Today, Firefox has crashed on me at least five times - usually when > opening web sites in multiple tabs. Bummer. I've not experienced this. :-( > using Firefox 3.0.1. How does one go about getting the bug buddy > dialogs to speak? We have a gnome_segv2 script for bug buddy in Orca. It used to work at one time, but things might have changed. Can you enable full debugging in Orca (http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Debugging), rerun Orca, reproduce the crash, quit Orca, and send me the debug file? Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 19:41:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8CB93750211 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VS3J1HJDlWtN for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:40:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DAB975034B for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:36:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MJanru000368 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:36:49 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000001OXTAH00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000FWHP5D9480@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:36:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:35:19 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: vilmar@informal.com.br Message-id: <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:00 -0000 Hi Jose! Welcome to the list and congratulations on your success with sending e-mail with Orca. Using the version of Evolution that comes with your distribution is fine. In general, we like to keep all things that come with a particular version of GNOME together --- so, Orca v2.22.x for GNOME v2.22.x, Orca v2.23.x for GNOME v2.23.x. Evolution is part of GNOME as well. Having said that, people do mix-and-match things, such as Orca v2.23.x with GNOME 2.22.x. It's not a practice I support, but people have reported good success with it as long as they grab all the right stuff (e.g., updated ATK, AT-SPI, GAIL, etc.). In any case, if you're willing to live on the most bleeding edge, giving Ubuntu Intrepid a try will get you the latest versions of the GNOME development builds. Will Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote: > Hi all, > I'd like to know if the version of evolution that I'm running is the > recommended version to use with orca. > > Actually I'm running version 2.22.3.1, installed as default when I did > install Ubuntu. > > Thanks! > > BTW: This is the first e-mail that I send using orca!!!! > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 19:41:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3675D75021E for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id svLCm8gyYAeT for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CA73750081 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MJcs9l001042 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:38:54 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000G01OT35700@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:38:54 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000CJVP8GGFE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:38:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:37:11 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A34796.70305@gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Robert Spangler Message-id: <48AF1567.7020006@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A34796.70305@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Open Office with Orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:48 -0000 Hi Robert: The OpenOffice team has been very active addressing accessibility issues lately. As a result, the OOo 3.0 releases will get you the latest stuff. Hope this helps, Will Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello all, > > Regarding Thunderbird: I got it working - it was indeed the table thing. > I had it set only to read the current cell instead of the line. I am > composing this email with Thunderbird. > > Now - when I go to install Open Office from my distributions repository, > it gives me the option of installing the stable 2.4.x version of OO, 3.0 > Beta, or 3.0 Devel. As regards accessibility with Orca, which is best? > I went ahead and installed the stable one for now, and it seems to work > well but figured, as with most other packages, accessibility will be > better with the bleeding edge. > > Thanks all, > Robby > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Fri Aug 22 19:43:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 287E07502B2 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pH4e6YM7kh-P for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 624667501EC for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7MJfvcq006583 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:41:57 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6000001OXTAH00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:41:57 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6000FWCPDJ9490@mail-amer.sun.com>; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 13:41:44 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 15:40:13 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48A34FD9.9060607@sjc.ox.ac.uk> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Alastair Irving Message-id: <48AF161D.8030203@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48A3393F.9010508@sjc.ox.ac.uk> <48A33D37.9010806@sun.com> <48A34FD9.9060607@sjc.ox.ac.uk> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Looking for suggestions on how to integrate orca with LaTeX-access scripts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:24 -0000 Hi Alastair: This is indeed interesting. I'm not quite sure how to do this -- we never really thought to provide hooks for this kind of thing. For braille, you might try goofing with default.py:updateBraille. I'm not sure if you can replace/redirect it by importing orca.default in your ~/.orca/orca-customizations.py file, but it might be interesting to try as an experiment. Will Alastair Irving wrote: > I'd prefer it to be more automated; ie have a key to toggle the > translation on and off and then if its on automatically speak and > braille the translated line as you navigate a document, (so if the > translation is enabled you don't notice the actual line of LaTeX at > all). This suggests I need to overide the mechanism for speaking and > brailling the current line in an editor. > > Many thanks > > > > Alastair > > Willie Walker wrote: >> Hi Alastair: >> >> Interesting. :-) What's the interaction model for this? For example, how >> do you specify the line of text? Would you edit in something such as >> gedit and then press a key to have the current line interpreted, spoken, >> and brailled? >> >> Will >> >> Alastair Irving wrote: >>> Hi All >>> >>> As I work with a lot of LaTeX, I wrote some python scripts which take >>> a line of LaTeX as input and output a translation into nemeth braille >>> and english speech; the idea being that one can get a realtime >>> translation whilst editting a document. I currently have these working >>> with jaws under windows but am very keen for orca support and was >>> wondering what the best way would be to write an orca script to >>> accomplish this? >>> >>> So far, my only idea is to overwrite the Speech and Braille generators >>> for a given application. Is this the best way forward? >>> >>> I'm a competent python programmer but don't know a great deal about >>> the internals of orca, so any advice will be useful. >>> >>> Many Thanks >>> >>> Alastair Irving >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From libranarsh@gmail.com Sat Aug 23 02:43:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38E7275006A for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:43:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2302 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.233] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 80SyyBoonJnv for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:43:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 193ED750007 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:43:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h28so292224wxd.9 for ; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=zXZuFTlc2DVMwOpptHB+aDrF71/Qjzi4gnATmLcEk3w=; b=B6CoLoCj8INuL4s16b0retVLBJmw0s18+HR62NJpgWvOglIgRdJU1egGUfitVMBxls fT9Pw1MoQcLrvQdN7I3o0naXv0iUpj4B2rbxat2kOB4uKdT5QbOeeMzNZ6PYVy3H3a+e 3pBXuS9AZS6CB4kDuyoJ3RwihPQrFaKyHzCqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=IeczJPU+tflYpEnJnCUhBEkag7FKI9bqf5/IZyH8xkYC6xt+Tww76VhyHth+naqQ1g 7KNmIlhr3xlkoEo/seXOJ2hNjlN/c9jTRNMixc8fIHJ5XBKknoCPvsBt1RTJGVQCGMtS 7/44FYmcrbBMJ3nzmZDkIf0kqFuU34qzijXYo= Received: by 10.70.56.13 with SMTP id e13mr2224080wxa.77.1219459397131; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.108.13 with HTTP; Fri, 22 Aug 2008 19:43:17 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:13:17 +0530 From: "Aruni Sharma" To: "Willie Walker" In-Reply-To: <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 02:43:27 -0000 Hi will, can we find instructions regarding this update stuff? I am not very much comfortable with nitty-gritty of linux. So can here be an easy way out? Thanks, Aruni. On 8/23/08, Willie Walker wrote: > Hi Jose! > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on your success with sending > e-mail with Orca. Using the version of Evolution that comes with your > distribution is fine. In general, we like to keep all things that come > with a particular version of GNOME together --- so, Orca v2.22.x for > GNOME v2.22.x, Orca v2.23.x for GNOME v2.23.x. Evolution is part of > GNOME as well. > > Having said that, people do mix-and-match things, such as Orca v2.23.x > with GNOME 2.22.x. It's not a practice I support, but people have > reported good success with it as long as they grab all the right stuff > (e.g., updated ATK, AT-SPI, GAIL, etc.). > > In any case, if you're willing to live on the most bleeding edge, giving > Ubuntu Intrepid a try will get you the latest versions of the GNOME > development builds. > > Will > > Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all, >> I'd like to know if the version of evolution that I'm running is the >> recommended version to use with orca. >> >> Actually I'm running version 2.22.3.1, installed as default when I did >> install Ubuntu. >> >> Thanks! >> >> BTW: This is the first e-mail that I send using orca!!!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From libranarsh@gmail.com Sat Aug 23 04:11:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7EE37750088 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:11:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [122.161.29.170]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d4sm4991682tib.13.2008.08.22.21.11.00 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 22 Aug 2008 21:11:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48AF8DCD.20904@gmail.com> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:40:53 +0530 From: Aruni Sharma User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080816030410) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] strange issues with opensuse 11 X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 04:11:12 -0000 Hi list, I grabbed the opensuse 11 iso image through bittorent. HOwever, I am having strange issues with accessibility. to begin with i must say that the instalation was not as accessible as ubuntu. the dialogue boxes were not fully read and orca review cursor was not reading anything except the buttons. After installation I tried running openoffice but there was no feedback. switching windows, orca said openoffice inaccessible. My lan network is also not working and I can't connect to the internet. Is anyone else facing same issues? do you think something may be amiss in the iso image? Should I redownload it using ftp? Regards, Aruni. From rburceni@tiflomedia.it Sat Aug 23 08:47:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 51D88750190 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:47:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.168 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.168 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5720 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qvQqvVEWkiUy for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:47:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa011msr.fastwebnet.it (aa011msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 755D07501FE for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:46:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from roby-laptop (1.241.35.42) by aa011msr.fastwebnet.it (8.0.013.5) id 4889F5B9029495A0 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:46:42 +0200 Received: by roby-laptop (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:46:42 +0200 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:46:42 +0200 From: Roberto Burceni To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080823084642.GA15083@interim.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: [orca-list] orca and acroread X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:47:18 -0000 Hi all, something is wrong in pdf reading. When I open a pdf file with acroread it start to process pages for accessibility, but when I read the document more lines are not readed. I use the down arrow to scroll the document but many lines are not readed. I use the acroread package in ubuntu. I tried this issue opening a pdf from a folder and opening a pdf with firefox plugin. What can I try? Thanks From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Sat Aug 23 09:29:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C38A075032D for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:29:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:44:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [213.4.149.242] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id vfI3uhPuPP8A for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:29:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout4.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 459C2750487 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:20:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (88.16.250.177) by ctsmtpout4.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489FE8E10020FF01 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:31 +0200 From: Jonathan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Chac=F3n?= To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:29 +0200 Message-Id: <1219483229.6138.6.camel@P4mobile> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: [orca-list] orca slows down with ATI comercial drivers in Evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 09:29:33 -0000 Hello, I have a Fujitsu Siemmens Amilo D1840 laptop with Ubuntu Gutsy I use Evolution to manage my e-mails and all was fine with Orca. I activated ATI comercial drivers. When I did it, Orca slows down when I try to read or write e-mails. This happens when the orca focus is on e-mail write/read window. f I deactivate ATI comertial drivers orca runs fine again in Evolution. Does anyone know this possible bug? Is there any solution? I need ATI comertial drivers to play AVI files correctly Thanks and regards Jonathan Chacón From robhill@es.co.nz Sat Aug 23 10:48:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E3DA7500BB for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:48:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:47:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.109.136.10] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KR2cgb3N759B for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:48:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailfilter10.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter10.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.10]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47DF675006C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:48:47 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAIiHr0h2XIqK/2dsb2JhbAC0AoFogQo X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,257,1217764800"; d="scan'208";a="123429743" Received: from 118-92-138-138.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO octavian) ([118.92.138.138]) by smtp.mailfilter2.ihug.co.nz with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 23 Aug 2008 22:48:45 +1200 Received: from rob by octavian with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KWqfk-0002EX-7F; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:48:44 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18607.60172.119311.107152@es.co.nz> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:48:44 +1200 To: Anne G?nther X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.1 From: Rob Hill Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Acroread? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:48:56 -0000 Hello Guenni and list, The package poppler-utils contains the utilities pdftohtml and pdftotext, which can be used from the gnome terminal. I find pdftohtml often works best. So from the command line, pdftohtml converts the pdf file to an html one. Rob Guenni writes: Hi I tried to read a pdf-document. I can read the headings, but not the actual text. He tells me I'm on tree level one. I tried to install acroread-plugins but the package doesn't exist I#m using utuntu hardy and all the repositories are open except for the backport ones. How can I read my text? Guenni From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Aug 23 11:20:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D66875006C for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hGZ11P+mMd3e for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CACE9750088 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7NBKRNl006233 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:27 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6100201WTR6300@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K61009A0WU2Q860@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 05:20:27 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 07:18:54 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Aruni Sharma Message-id: <1219490334.14294.10.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 11:20:37 -0000 Hi Aruni: http://live.gnome.org/Orca/DownloadInstall has a fair amount of detail on it. Since you say you are not very comfortable with nitty-gritty Linux stuff, though, you might be better off not trying this. :-( The easiest way out right now would be to try the Ubuntu Intrepid release, but even that can be dangerous because it currently is a development (and sometimes unstable) release. Will On Sat, 2008-08-23 at 08:13 +0530, Aruni Sharma wrote: > Hi will, can we find instructions regarding this update stuff? I am > not very much comfortable with nitty-gritty of linux. So can here be > an easy way out? > Thanks, > Aruni. > > On 8/23/08, Willie Walker wrote: > > Hi Jose! > > > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on your success with sending > > e-mail with Orca. Using the version of Evolution that comes with your > > distribution is fine. In general, we like to keep all things that come > > with a particular version of GNOME together --- so, Orca v2.22.x for > > GNOME v2.22.x, Orca v2.23.x for GNOME v2.23.x. Evolution is part of > > GNOME as well. > > > > Having said that, people do mix-and-match things, such as Orca v2.23.x > > with GNOME 2.22.x. It's not a practice I support, but people have > > reported good success with it as long as they grab all the right stuff > > (e.g., updated ATK, AT-SPI, GAIL, etc.). > > > > In any case, if you're willing to live on the most bleeding edge, giving > > Ubuntu Intrepid a try will get you the latest versions of the GNOME > > development builds. > > > > Will > > > > Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi all, > >> I'd like to know if the version of evolution that I'm running is the > >> recommended version to use with orca. > >> > >> Actually I'm running version 2.22.3.1, installed as default when I did > >> install Ubuntu. > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> BTW: This is the first e-mail that I send using orca!!!! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > From jochen@jochenskulj.de Sat Aug 23 13:45:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A3D39750084; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:45:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.203 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.203 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (beta), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [81.169.146.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LQHsv+KCU8z1; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:45:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mo-p00-ob.rzone.de (mo-p00-ob.rzone.de [81.169.146.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9CF9C750070; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:45:20 +0000 (GMT) X-RZG-CLASS-ID: mo00 X-RZG-AUTH: :JmMHfUWmW/XBHlNMWo27EHF3kP8gDTkN55+XfpcPJD8zYIYqn7kqcwQuVuJUTg== Received: from [192.168.2.103] (p5B364E73.dip.t-dialin.net [91.54.78.115]) by post.webmailer.de (klopstock mo51) (RZmta 16.47) with ESMTP id a00eeak7NCW9pB ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:45:18 +0200 (MEST) (envelope-from: ) From: Jochen Skulj To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <48A99314.4030503@onlinehome.de> References: <1218981657.7989.45.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> <48A9789C.90100@sun.com> <48A99314.4030503@onlinehome.de> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-E2rJe0ZyIsWuVql+YtEp" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:45:17 +0200 Message-Id: <1219499117.7903.41.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Cc: Willie Walker , "GNOME in Germany \(German translations\)" , orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca keynames X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 13:45:27 -0000 --=-E2rJe0ZyIsWuVql+YtEp Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thank you for your answers and comments. After thinking about this issue again I came to this conclusion: =C2=BBmulti=C2=AB, =C2=BBcompose=C2=AB and =C2=BBbegin=C2=AB are rather (ab= stract) key functions than concrete keys. They can mapped to concrete keys but don't have to. The question if these key functions are mapped and the questions to which keys these key functions are bound depend strongly on the user's hardware and configuration. Because of this I would suggest to translate these key functions only if they meaning is clearly evident and if the key functions have a standardized and vendor-independent binding (like escape, enter, etc.). All other key functions will be left untranslated (=C2=BBCompose=C2=AB-Tast= e) since all translations I could think of would only be valid within a special environment (e.g. Sun keyboard users) and might confuse others. Another reason is that I don't see a huge benefit in translating =C2=BBmult= i=C2=AB to =C2=BBCompose=C2=AB or =C2=BBbegin=C2=AB to =C2=BBNum 5=C2=AB since I as= sume that those key functions don't have a important meaning for the majority of all users. Please let me know if you disagree or have other suggestions. Am Montag, den 18.08.2008, 17:19 +0200 schrieb Hermann: > Willie Walker schrieb: > >> I just started to update the German translation of Orca but I've got > >> problems in understanding the meaning of following keynames: > >=20 > > Thanks for your hard work! > [...] > >> - mode switch: from my point of view there are different keys for > >> switching modes like Shft, Alt or Crtl. I don't know if one of these > >> keys is meant or if there is a separate mode switching key which I don= 't > >> know yet. > >=20 > > On my Sun keyboard, this is mapped to the physical key that is labelled= =20 > > "Alt Graph" and it is bound to Mod 3. I cannot find what it it mapped=20 > > to on my Ubuntu box. > >=20 > Perhaps the right Alt key in German: "Rechte Alttaste". or "Alt+gr". >=20 > >> - begin key: I haven't found anything about a begin key. Is this the > >> same key as Pos1 or is there a difference? > >=20 > > This is usually bound to the keypad 5 key (try "xmodmap -pk | grep -i=20 > > begin"). I have no clue what it does. > >=20 > In German: "nummernblock 5" or "Num 5". > Hermann >=20 --=20 Jochen Skulj http://www.jochenskulj.de=20 GPG Key-ID: 0x37B2F0B8 Finger Print: F239 5D8D 97CD F91F 9D08 AE94 AA3B 1ED5 37B2 F0B8 --=-E2rJe0ZyIsWuVql+YtEp Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: Dies ist ein digital signierter Nachrichtenteil -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBIsBRtqjse1Tey8LgRAhuxAKCjlsPQLo4kazQn0G4TxcNgv+ZxmgCcD9ZU 1xmiyr+KiCiEdCu4IcR5YxI= =ywYN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-E2rJe0ZyIsWuVql+YtEp-- From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sat Aug 23 14:32:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BA0C75002E; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_XF=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XE4M+7VnXHbu; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F61775006A; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7NEWTQg008306; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:29 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K62005015HK2400@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.100] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6200HEQ5Q3IV40@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 08:32:29 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 10:32:25 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1219499117.7903.41.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jochen Skulj Message-id: <1e475a21b235fc8cea7deab59d9072fb@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.624) Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE References: <1218981657.7989.45.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> <48A9789C.90100@sun.com> <48A99314.4030503@onlinehome.de> <1219499117.7903.41.camel@brian.linuxdev.us.dell.com> Cc: "GNOME in Germany \(German translations\)" , orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca keynames X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 14:32:39 -0000 Hi Jochen: I agree that these keys are not things that flourish in the wild. = =20 Glyphs for them do appear on keycaps, however, though often as=20 graphical symbols instead of text. I hope we can come up with some= =20 translations. I would treat "compose" and "multi" as being identical= ,=20 with the primary function of these keys being to compose a character= =20 using multiple keystrokes, as in "create" or "construct". I did a little more research on KP_Begin and found this in keysymdef.= h: #define XK_End 0xff57 /* EOL */ #define XK_Begin 0xff58 /* BOL */ So, it seems as though the intent for Begin is the beginning of line= =20 (BOL). I'm not sure the key is ever really used this way. If there = is=20 a translation for begin in the context of "beginning of line", howeve= r,=20 it's probably reasonable. Hope this helps, and thanks for your work on translating! Will On Aug 23, 2008, at 9:45 AM, Jochen Skulj wrote: > Thank you for your answers and comments. After thinking about this= =20 > issue > again I came to this conclusion: > > =BBmulti=AB, =BBcompose=AB and =BBbegin=AB are rather (abstract) ke= y functions than > concrete keys. They can mapped to concrete keys but don't have to. = The > question if these key functions are mapped and the questions to whi= ch > keys these key functions are bound depend strongly on the user's > hardware and configuration. > > Because of this I would suggest to translate these key functions on= ly=20 > if > they meaning is clearly evident and if the key functions have a > standardized and vendor-independent binding (like escape, enter, et= c.). > All other key functions will be left untranslated (=BBCompose=AB-Ta= ste) > since all translations I could think of would only be valid within = a > special environment (e.g. Sun keyboard users) and might confuse oth= ers. > Another reason is that I don't see a huge benefit in translating= =20 > =BBmulti=AB > to =BBCompose=AB or =BBbegin=AB to =BBNum 5=AB since I assume that = those key > functions don't have a important meaning for the majority of all us= ers. > > Please let me know if you disagree or have other suggestions. > > Am Montag, den 18.08.2008, 17:19 +0200 schrieb Hermann: >> Willie Walker schrieb: >>>> I just started to update the German translation of Orca but I've= got >>>> problems in understanding the meaning of following keynames: >>> >>> Thanks for your hard work! >> [...] >>>> - mode switch: from my point of view there are different keys fo= r >>>> switching modes like Shft, Alt or Crtl. I don't know if one of t= hese >>>> keys is meant or if there is a separate mode switching key which= I=20 >>>> don't >>>> know yet. >>> >>> On my Sun keyboard, this is mapped to the physical key that is= =20 >>> labelled >>> "Alt Graph" and it is bound to Mod 3. I cannot find what it it= =20 >>> mapped >>> to on my Ubuntu box. >>> >> Perhaps the right Alt key in German: "Rechte Alttaste". or "Alt+gr= ". >> >>>> - begin key: I haven't found anything about a begin key. Is this= the >>>> same key as Pos1 or is there a difference? >>> >>> This is usually bound to the keypad 5 key (try "xmodmap -pk | gre= p -i >>> begin"). I have no clue what it does. >>> >> In German: "nummernblock 5" or "Num 5". >> Hermann >> > --=20 > Jochen Skulj > http://www.jochenskulj.de > GPG Key-ID: 0x37B2F0B8 > Finger Print: F239 5D8D 97CD F91F 9D08 AE94 AA3B 1ED5 37B2 F0B8 > From kb8aey@verizon.net Sat Aug 23 22:38:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58BD4750073 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:38:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.591 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.591 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.408, BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 10 (1203?) (up: 2068 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.173.5] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Gx0QGmMU1lKZ for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:38:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net (vms173005pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.5]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8AA72750006 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:38:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6200DKXS8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:38:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 17:38:35 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] thanks to the orca team and a suggestion X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:38:53 -0000 Hi, I just want to say thanks for your work on Orca. Now that intrepid speaks, I got two surprises. First the top panel seems more accessible, and when I plugged in my network cable, Orca told me when I was connected. Good job. I do have one suggestion. Is there a way to get menus to announce how many idem's they contain like gnopernicus use to do? Thanks Mike. From demetry82@googlemail.com Sat Aug 23 22:40:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06C29750073 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:40:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [78.49.110.2]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id h2sm2354356fkh.11.2008.08.23.15.40.29 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:40:29 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B091CB.8020301@googlemail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 00:40:11 +0200 From: Demetry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List , "Ubuntu user technical support, not for general discussions" Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Some troubles with Orca in Ubuntu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: demetry82@googlemail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:40:41 -0000 Hi all. So, I am very lucky to try to work with Ubuntu 8.04.1 (AMD 64) and Orca. :) But I have some troubles with Orca in a few situations: When I try to login in the Synaptic or somewhere Orca doesn't work longer well. Orca begins to sleep... I don't hear something... That do happen it where I need to enter the password from my account all the places. Why that? And, BTW, how can I configure the braille support from or with Orca? Orca says me in the setting menu that can support a few braille displays. But my braille display will not work automatically. I have a PAC Mate with 40 cells from Freedom Scientific via USB. I hope anyone can help me? Thanks in advance. Best regards, Demetry From ruiandrebatista@gmail.com Sat Aug 23 22:53:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55EC5750073 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:53:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [81.84.66.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 9sm3351735yxs.5.2008.08.23.15.52.48 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sat, 23 Aug 2008 15:52:49 -0700 (PDT) From: Rui Batista To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> References: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-ba8hcEp8s4ebMn1d2SEB" Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 23:52:46 +0100 Message-Id: <1219531966.7464.2.camel@ragb-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] thanks to the orca team and a suggestion X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:53:13 -0000 --=-ba8hcEp8s4ebMn1d2SEB Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, I think this would be useful in list views and tree views too. But, if implemented, there should be a option (possibly in the speech tab of orca preferences) to configure if number of items is anounced or not when cycling through items. Best Regards, Rui Batista Sáb, 2008-08-23 às 17:38 -0500, mike escreveu: > Hi, I just want to say thanks for your work on Orca. Now that intrepid speaks, I got two surprises. > First the top panel seems more accessible, and when I plugged in my network cable, Orca told me when I was connected. Good job. > I do have one suggestion. Is there a way to get menus to announce how many idem's they contain like gnopernicus use to do? > Thanks Mike. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -- Rui Batista e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com Skype: ruiandrebatista weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com --=-ba8hcEp8s4ebMn1d2SEB Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,

I think this would be useful in list views and tree views too. But, if implemented, there should be a option (possibly in the speech tab of orca preferences) to configure if number of items is anounced or not when cycling through items.

Best Regards,

Rui Batista
Sáb, 2008-08-23 às 17:38 -0500, mike escreveu: 
Hi, I just want to say thanks for your work on Orca. Now that intrepid speaks, I got two surprises.
First the top panel seems more accessible, and when I plugged in my network cable, Orca told me when I was connected. Good job.
I do have one suggestion. Is there a way to get menus to announce how many idem's they contain like gnopernicus use to do?
Thanks Mike.
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--=-ba8hcEp8s4ebMn1d2SEB-- From guyster@bex.net Sun Aug 24 02:24:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2CD5750242 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:24:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 10422 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c7ZN9+SQiofc for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:24:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0101.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 890417501D6 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:23:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE2D47C58DE for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:23:31 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f1f7e7) id sj1-dm101.48ac7406.1924f8 for ; Sat, 23 Aug 2008 19:23:31 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pIsMYjP7g3CwIAAAAB,de829e9dd011e4a5342c67902d245373 Message-ID: <48B0C623.8060905@bex.net> Date: Sat, 23 Aug 2008 22:23:31 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 2008080700) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] gnome session preferences X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 02:24:51 -0000 Hi all, just wondering if anyone has experienced this problem in intrepid. I am trying to use the sessions preferences dialogue to add speech-dispatcher to my list of startup programs, and am receiving the following error whether I type the executable program name in manually, or browse for it: "the command field cannot be blank.". I have double and tripple-checked the command box, and it definitely has something written there. Any other suggestions? Is there aanother file I can edit to put speech-dispatcher in that list? Thanks in advance for any help and/or suggestions. Thanks, Guy From mj@mjw.se Sun Aug 24 10:12:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 200AC751378 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:12:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZvjDdX46ttNH for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:12:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe11.swip.net [212.247.155.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FC04751375 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 09:17:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=m7fDkEw+OYwQnaEPc8hLtw==:17 Received: from [85.226.22.85] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se [85.226.22.85] verified) by mailfe11.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 878231203 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:17:24 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:17:22 +0200 Message-Id: <1219569442.14273.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] test only X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 10:12:53 -0000 From opthofp@xs4all.nl Sun Aug 24 13:22:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E630C752146 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:22:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TADqIEtlmqkP for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:21:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl [194.109.24.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D9EE7531EF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:20:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from TB210433 ([80.101.97.82]) by smtp-vbr9.xs4all.nl (8.13.8/8.13.8) with SMTP id m7OBKZrd092360 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:20:35 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from opthofp@xs4all.nl) Message-ID: <6ABE4760185245419A60D8D482B4F3F9@TB210433> From: "Peter op 't Hof" To: References: <1219569442.14273.0.camel@ubuntu> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:20:33 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-Virus-Scanned: by XS4ALL Virus Scanner Subject: Re: [orca-list] several difficulties with Opensolaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 13:22:06 -0000 Dear listers, I am working with Opensolaris to improve accessibility and awareness here in the Netherlands. I use an installation from Sun Benelux to emulate situations at the workplace. I have Orca running but struggle with Brltty. The message "No screen" appears, also when i reload Orca. It could be that BRLAPI is not communicating with BRLTTY but i am not sure. I use the following commandline (worked with earlier distribution of Opensolaris): brltty -bvo -d usb: -xno -p none -A auth=none -n Yes, i use a Tieman Braillevoyager. As far as i can see i do not use the latest BRLTTY. I am familiar with the upgrade-proces under Ubuntu but for Opensolaris i really have to learn. I really would like to ubgrade, but stumble on BCE and other buildprocedures. Perhaps the VCN-approach foor Solaris is the same as Ubuntu or Redhat? I could replace this operatingsystem with Ubuntu but need this testenviroment to complete my projects for the Opendoc Society here. Could someone help me with this? Thanks in advance. With regards, Peter op 't Hof. Http://www.blindict.nl From bram@bramd.nl Sun Aug 24 17:27:59 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8DDFA752435 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:27:59 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id JA8MrqObaE4O for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:27:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dt01.rbts.nl (dt01.rbts.nl [212.79.238.163]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F74752CD8 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:33:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (dt01.rbts.nl [127.0.0.1]) by dt01.rbts.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E563E5346 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:15 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at rbts.nl Received: from dt01.rbts.nl ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (dt01.rbts.nl [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id WTgmTYjctPs0 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:13 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [192.168.1.187] (91-181.surfsnel.dsl.internl.net [145.99.181.91]) by dt01.rbts.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id 23C6DE5345 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:34:13 +0200 (CEST) From: Bram Duvigneau To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:33:48 +0200 Message-Id: <1219592028.4006.9.camel@bramacer> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Accessing the notification area X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:27:59 -0000 Hi all, I installed Ubuntu 8.04 next to Windows xp on my laptop today. 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Mike From kb8aey@verizon.net Sun Aug 24 18:47:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 870847502EE for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:47:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.107 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.107 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-0.108, BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2cLaKCDoYrh2 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:46:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms046pub.verizon.net (vms046pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.46]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E350775073D for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:50:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms046.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6400GAL9KA1QL0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:50:35 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:50:35 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms046.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K6400GAR9KA1QL0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing up a computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:47:05 -0000 Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? Thanks Mike. X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean From fabiano.nh@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 18:56:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE43C7508CF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:56:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.307 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d-VDgiT3Kll0 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:56:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8A0407507AF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:10:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so1528177gxk.15 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=Pjn70wWELbsXAlXOs4zDA8UNrRLwyYjUFqTcoyzmRuU=; b=PSKL4Wn4/ym+x5ICnfLYMCzX3LQXhceYils2RaAeJcieG43lK+PU/5zW91Rvz+Pc2v 2Bf+EArqHkH+iISm7Xj9vgb4J2CDs1j1fHiOqtqYWm796kpXXCtrQB6ij03rD9mdbVV+ d/WkR1ocHwNcEmhyp1rp7CT1HgdQgA+S1FFsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:cc:subject:references :in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Zn9pARAjmXfTSqrDtfOouiyJnSZGe5fq7hO2iN2MRLxVL7v3r1W5RJXRj2loV02V/b 75tlsgC1iht9XX3WORDD5X5Y+3avzobgb609bVBB57XyS/ACotS8NSytj1SrGnXUkzB3 gjI7TVYfGU9reXbwmTo/fG/b03rwQ0CX07pJg= Received: by 10.150.51.6 with SMTP id y6mr5589802yby.239.1219601408490; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:10:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.135? ( [201.11.218.142]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 5sm5512359ywd.8.2008.08.24.11.10.05 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 11:10:07 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B1A3FA.6080407@gmail.com> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:10:02 -0300 From: Fabiano Fonseca User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a2pre (X11/2008061005) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> In-Reply-To: <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Willie Walker , orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:56:33 -0000 But the Orca does not work well with Evolution in Portuguese. The reading of the entire list of messages is truncated, impossible to know if the message contains attachments, or if it was read or not. Em 22-08-2008 16:35, Willie Walker escreveu: > Hi Jose! > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on your success with sending > e-mail with Orca. Using the version of Evolution that comes with your > distribution is fine. In general, we like to keep all things that come > with a particular version of GNOME together --- so, Orca v2.22.x for > GNOME v2.22.x, Orca v2.23.x for GNOME v2.23.x. Evolution is part of > GNOME as well. > > Having said that, people do mix-and-match things, such as Orca v2.23.x > with GNOME 2.22.x. It's not a practice I support, but people have > reported good success with it as long as they grab all the right stuff > (e.g., updated ATK, AT-SPI, GAIL, etc.). > > In any case, if you're willing to live on the most bleeding edge, > giving Ubuntu Intrepid a try will get you the latest versions of the > GNOME development builds. > > Will > > Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote: >> Hi all, I'd like to know if the version of evolution that I'm running >> is the >> recommended version to use with orca. >> >> Actually I'm running version 2.22.3.1, installed as default when I did >> install Ubuntu. >> Thanks! >> >> BTW: This is the first e-mail that I send using orca!!!! >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Sun Aug 24 19:02:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 052C075065E for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:02:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tdgAHEjkKNXb for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:02:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout1.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63A2F751B41 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:16:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HPVista (88.17.15.98) by ctsmtpout1.frontal.correo (7.2.056.6) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489BF59A005E3B4A for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:16:57 +0200 From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Jonathan_Chac=F3n?= To: Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 20:16:35 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18049 Thread-Index: AckGFYrNGoA0KzW4SJmeVRh4/ygE4A== Subject: [orca-list] Problems with compiz and gnome-panels X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:02:33 -0000 Hello, I could jump between the desktop and gnome-panels using control+alt+tab Yesterday I activated compiz and visual effects for the desktop and the control+alt+tab keystroke stopped working. I switch off all visual plugins but the keystroke still doesn't work. Does anyone any solution to use compiz and orca without problems? Regards Jonathan Chac=F3n From hackingkk@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 19:44:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED05875017B for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:44:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2483 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [209.85.200.174] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gMnjIOdcBpU6 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:44:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wf-out-1314.google.com (wf-out-1314.google.com [209.85.200.174]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 21E0275014E for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:43:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wf-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id 28so1291527wff.9 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; bh=MEd6zhHYS56e0tXCiDtCHNKFKZJYwpD2v9Yu8sV/wig=; b=q6UXiV6VVV6tFkYrPYpSwf9cLdIiH3IXp66ul61qpXZhEjFxQF70FARDVrhen9aL6q cwicInErtUFpD7bA/st8wylnwHKjetfo4i6ZKZq6Z3l7SK7i054JpmurN6SzhXRFBS47 nVXjsZ+sH3fHrb0QFxr/LoeqXlJ3xrsDEOMqM= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition :references; b=BpLJkIidRTaVw5ntD/0q3dJjsP7OLd2jnSN4hr/jpJs1Unbg2GQ0L7rZaV8j01ahxo 3dKD0oxEqNUP3WBkgaKiVIWzqPV/Z7OFROHc+joXEHqU75lELMxUJK+hPKLnIAHI4Dpa ZVnTReitfDf7wz5VUOJZcjUdtNuageWKcySxQ= Received: by 10.142.52.9 with SMTP id z9mr1260264wfz.30.1219607029337; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.143.31.5 with HTTP; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8d3752f20808241243u60005c89jf8d6215ad4fb9c7f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 01:13:49 +0530 From: "Krishnakant Mane" To: mike In-Reply-To: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] thanks to the orca team and a suggestion X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:44:10 -0000 On 24/08/2008, mike wrote: > Hi, I just want to say thanks for your work on Orca. Now that intrepid > speaks, I got two surprises. > First the top panel seems more accessible, and when I plugged in my network > cable, Orca told me when I was connected. Good job. Wow great job indeed? how about having the same feature in orca with hardy as well? is there a way we can have the same accessibility in top panel in hardy? > I do have one suggestion. Is there a way to get menus to announce how many > idem's they contain like gnopernicus use to do? > Thanks Mike. Good idea. And as I have been persisting in my earlier emails, orca must announce font attributes in firefox. Web pages are perhaps the best place where font attribute announcement is to be implemented. How easy or difficult is this to implement? happy hacking. Krishnakant. > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Aug 24 21:36:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4B068750064 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:36:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Vje0bLIQIIPL for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:36:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D120275008C for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:36:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7OLajfh021106 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:36:45 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6400K01JQQDC00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6400E9WK18Q230@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:36:45 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:35:09 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <8d3752f20808241243u60005c89jf8d6215ad4fb9c7f@mail.gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Krishnakant Mane Message-id: <1219613709.14294.21.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <8d3752f20808241243u60005c89jf8d6215ad4fb9c7f@mail.gmail.com> Cc: orca Subject: [orca-list] Firefox text attributes (was Re: thanks to the orca team and a suggestion) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:36:54 -0000 Hi Krishnakant: On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 01:13 +0530, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > And as I have been persisting in my earlier emails, orca must announce > font attributes in firefox. Web pages are perhaps the best place > where font attribute announcement is to be implemented. > How easy or difficult is this to implement? We haven't been igoring you or this feature. It's just taking some time to get done because it requires fixes in several areas (the first of which was Firefox). Please track it at the following URL: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=434780 We'll get there, Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Aug 24 21:40:29 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1CBA1750182 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:40:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id q8DSkHrHpOpC for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:40:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B5FDD7500EC for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:40:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7OLeISd001668 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:40:18 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6400101JY8X400@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:40:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6400HN6K75D0B0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:40:17 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:38:42 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <8d3752f20808241243u60005c89jf8d6215ad4fb9c7f@mail.gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Krishnakant Mane Message-id: <1219613922.14294.25.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> <8d3752f20808241243u60005c89jf8d6215ad4fb9c7f@mail.gmail.com> Cc: orca Subject: [orca-list] Panel notification area (was Re: thanks to the orca team and a suggestion) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:40:31 -0000 > > First the top panel seems more accessible, and when I plugged in my network > > cable, Orca told me when I was connected. Good job. > Wow great job indeed? > how about having the same feature in orca with hardy as well? > is there a way we can have the same accessibility in top panel in hardy? It turns out the panel is a tricky little beast. The notification area itself has accessibility issues, but we do what we can to present at least some relevant information. You can read more about the issues at the following URLs: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=431030 http://trac.galago-project.org/ticket/91 Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Sun Aug 24 21:44:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B996A750064 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:44:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id snQh8RzXRm0F for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C49C750091 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:44:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7OLiZdt029445 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:44:35 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6400101KD59M00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6400E2PKEBQ240@mail-amer.sun.com>; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:44:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 17:43:00 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mike Message-id: <1219614180.14294.28.camel@localhost> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.6 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <0K6200DL0S8A4P9E@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> Cc: orca Subject: [orca-list] Determining the number of items in a menu (was Re: thanks to the orca team and a suggestion) X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:44:44 -0000 Hi Mike: > I do have one suggestion. Is there a way to get menus to announce how many idem's they contain like gnopernicus use to do? > Thanks Mike. The "Where Am I" functionality of Orca will tell you how many items are in a menu. This can be obtained via the numeric keypad Enter key in desktop layout or Caps_Lock+Enter in laptop layout. Hope this helps, Will From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Aug 24 21:58:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42642750104 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:58:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.078 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.078 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6574 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kbj8gR301Goq for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:58:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C06BA750064 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:58:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6EDA92A0191 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:55:38 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m3o0RVihi5gH for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:55:37 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [189.25.15.10]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 5F4742A0140 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:55:37 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 18:58:03 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9_Vilmar_Est=E1cio_de_Souza?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080822031249) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] eclipse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 21:58:16 -0000 Hi all, I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca freezes during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine. Actually I'm running the last orca from svn trunk and Ubuntu hardy. Any ideas? Thanks. From ruiandrebatista@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 22:11:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 460AD7501F6 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:11:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [81.84.66.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i37sm16170253wxd.29.2008.08.24.15.09.53 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:09:54 -0700 (PDT) From: Rui Batista To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> References: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-v/n+TmF3Q+CH/TyzOOk4" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:09:53 +0100 Message-Id: <1219615793.11426.19.camel@ragb-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] eclipse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:11:02 -0000 --=-v/n+TmF3Q+CH/TyzOOk4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Dom, 2008-08-24 às 18:58 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: > Hi all, > I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca > freezes during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts > to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run > eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine. Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4? I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze.. Regards, -- Rui Batista e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com Skype: ruiandrebatista weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com --=-v/n+TmF3Q+CH/TyzOOk4 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Dom, 2008-08-24 às 18:58 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: 
Hi all,
I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca 
freezes   during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts 
to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run 
eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine.
Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4?
I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze..

Regards,
--
Rui Batista
e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com
msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com
Skype: ruiandrebatista
weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com
--=-v/n+TmF3Q+CH/TyzOOk4-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Aug 24 22:25:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C49227500D2 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:25:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6578 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Deg0aiJAOeTe for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63F5A7500C3 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:25:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA5442A0191; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:22:37 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mJgUqGaGj07X; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:22:36 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] (unknown [189.25.15.10]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id F18B62A0140; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:22:35 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48B1DFBD.7090600@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:25:01 -0300 From: =?UTF-8?B?Sm9zw6kgVmlsbWFyIEVzdMOhY2lvIGRlIFNvdXph?= Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080822031249) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rui Batista References: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> <1219615793.11426.19.camel@ragb-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1219615793.11426.19.camel@ragb-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] eclipse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:25:15 -0000 I tried with eclipse 3.2 packaged in ubuntu repos, eclipse 3.4 and=20 eclipse 3.5M1. About ried openjd-6 I'm not sure. How can I do this? If I'm not mistaken I ran a command called update-alternatives to=20 configure de default java virtual machine. When I call java with the=20 -version flag, I saw the expected version. Thanks. Rui Batista wrote: > Hi, > Dom, 2008-08-24 =C3=A0s 18:58 -0300, Jos=C3=A9 Vilmar Est=C3=A1cio de S= ouza escreveu: >> Hi all, >> I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca >> freezes during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca start= s >> to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I ru= n >> eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine= =2E > Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged > in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4? > I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze.. > > Regards, > -- > Rui Batista > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com > Skype: ruiandrebatista > weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com > > > -----------------------------------------------------------------------= - > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From ruiandrebatista@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 22:52:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17602750104 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:52:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [81.84.66.221]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 30sm4667034yxk.4.2008.08.24.15.52.22 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 15:52:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Rui Batista To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <48B1DFBD.7090600@informal.com.br> References: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> <1219615793.11426.19.camel@ragb-laptop> <48B1DFBD.7090600@informal.com.br> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-kvrY7oB/6WCJgeDxC0yO" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:52:22 +0100 Message-Id: <1219618342.11426.26.camel@ragb-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] eclipse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 22:52:36 -0000 --=-kvrY7oB/6WCJgeDxC0yO Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Hi, Dom, 2008-08-24 às 19:25 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: > If I'm not mistaken I ran a command called update-alternatives to > configure de default java virtual machine. When I call java with the > -version flag, I saw the expected version. Running this command I expect eclipse is using openjdk, but just for confirming go to the eclipse help menu > about eclipse, and click configuration details. There you will find the -vm variable, it is something like /usr/lib/jvm/openjd-6 if it is openjdk. Regards, Rui Batista > > Rui Batista wrote: > > Hi, > > Dom, 2008-08-24 às 18:58 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: > >> Hi all, > >> I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca > >> freezes during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts > >> to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run > >> eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine. > > Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged > > in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4? > > I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze.. > > > > Regards, > > -- > > Rui Batista > > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com > > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com > > Skype: ruiandrebatista > > weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- Rui Batista e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com Skype: ruiandrebatista weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com --=-kvrY7oB/6WCJgeDxC0yO Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
Dom, 2008-08-24 às 19:25 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: 
If I'm not mistaken I ran a command called update-alternatives to 
configure de default java virtual machine. When I call java with the 
-version flag, I saw the expected version.
Running this command I expect eclipse is using openjdk, but just for confirming go to the eclipse help menu > about eclipse, and click configuration details. There you will find the -vm variable, it is something like /usr/lib/jvm/openjd-6 if it is openjdk.

Regards, Rui Batista 

Rui Batista wrote:
> Hi,
> Dom, 2008-08-24 às 18:58 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu:
>> Hi all,
>> I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca
>> freezes   during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts
>> to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run
>> eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine.
> Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged
> in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4?
> I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze..
>
> Regards,
> --
> Rui Batista
> e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com
> msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com
> Skype: ruiandrebatista
> weblog pessoal: http://outputstream.wordpress.com
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> _______________________________________________
> Orca-list mailing list
> Orca-list@gnome.org
> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca


-- 
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e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com
msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com
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--=-kvrY7oB/6WCJgeDxC0yO-- From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Sun Aug 24 23:46:28 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA9847500FF for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:46:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.521 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.521 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 885 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.237] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id EbWhdo8vPWit for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:46:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DA3BE750091 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:46:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so818488wra.27 for ; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:subject:from:to:content-type :date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; bh=ocL9dQ+Rs8fAj3Fb2zvi/Qk6U2yMOjo5Mycqre9KNAg=; b=GDryjqVAE6JcLBOD5SN8GaMkHw9yorgENzBZ4zUpfrESiqyqfrc4oJxERZbujWAPim nNOWW0LV44RDdbbaaBG49KpYWGOwfCMTLOirdcLAv4OlM2KojpjgcZ7BfTyiH95x1pc/ eJudX8aBDokQ1lwfScjgBb1JGg5k8KcQRC7xw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=subject:from:to:content-type:date:message-id:mime-version:x-mailer; b=CXzrSkYynoejFifpVSHzdOH6pTOvd6c7wfCmS9bHxBCkn0GZJOZHX6gjc0OOde7/v1 RwemZDpCh0NbcsXATfd27rgV+DlshKUWF63ilodx7Ce5HDr7VulrlN6dpqFEKjDD8uvA tlDBeGiixKj46CdpvUGGOpapVMCbXUSaXjmXk= Received: by 10.90.83.18 with SMTP id g18mr4560818agb.89.1219621580730; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.2.2? ( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 6sm4071252agd.37.2008.08.24.16.46.19 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Sun, 24 Aug 2008 16:46:20 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-uBpgV8kd0KonB92uxM8v" Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:46:15 -0400 Message-Id: <1219621575.23884.6.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Possible Orca Bug With text Editors X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 23:46:29 -0000 --=-uBpgV8kd0KonB92uxM8v Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, When using Orca in text files with VI, Orca has a tendency to read more than just the current line. This happens in Gedit too with really large files over 2k lines. It actually starts happening in VI in files that are around 30 lines or more. Using Ubuntu Hardy with Orca-svn from the accessibility repos. I actually first noticed it back in Gutsy though. Storm --=-uBpgV8kd0KonB92uxM8v Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
When using Orca in  text files with VI, Orca has a tendency to read more than just the current line.  This happens in Gedit too with really large files over 2k lines.  It actually starts happening in VI in files that are around 30 lines or more.  Using Ubuntu Hardy with Orca-svn from the accessibility repos.  I actually first noticed it back in Gutsy though.
Storm
--=-uBpgV8kd0KonB92uxM8v-- From kb8aey@verizon.net Mon Aug 25 00:52:57 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7468B750127 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:52:57 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.696 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.696 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.489, BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9.1 (up: 2094 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [206.46.252.42] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id HurN9abvrsiJ for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:52:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3CC4750065 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:52:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6400F5CT3QH7M0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:52:40 -0500 (CDT) Date: Sun, 24 Aug 2008 19:52:39 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms042.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K6400F5DT3RH7M0@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080824-0, 08/24/2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: [orca-list] good news about wireless connections X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 00:52:57 -0000 Hi, I was in the top panel today and found one of the icons took me into the wireless CONFIG. It was accessible with Orca from this point, and I was able to get connected. Now here's something I don't understand. In the network devices my wireless card isn't even listed. I see two ether net devices, and a loop back device. But we are on the right track, because I can now use ubuntu with my wireless network. Mike. From rburceni@tiflomedia.it Mon Aug 25 07:29:08 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 125D9750356 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:29:08 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.245 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.245 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74, RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP=1.908, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 5837 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [85.18.95.72] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id UOUI4t3Mh4qc for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:29:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (aa012msr.fastwebnet.it [85.18.95.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9E592750312 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:28:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from roby-laptop (1.241.35.42) by aa012msr.fastwebnet.it (8.0.013.5) id 4889F7DF02B8AF09 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:28:01 +0200 Received: by roby-laptop (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:28:07 +0200 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:28:06 +0200 From: Roberto Burceni To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080825072806.GA10228@interim.it> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: [orca-list] Help Orca crashes immediately X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:29:08 -0000 Hi all, Yesterday I installed the svn version 4125 of Orca. Unfortunately whe I restared it, Orca crashed immediately after the welcome message. I downloaded the 4126 version of svn, but it didn't change. I activated the debug in Orca and here are the results. What can I do? Using speech server factory: orca.gnomespeechfactory Speech module has been initialized. Braille module has been initialized using WINDOWPATH=7 braille display size = (40, 1) Magnification module has NOT been initialized. SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Benvenuti in Orca.' BRAILLE LINE: 'Benvenuti in Orca.' VISIBLE: 'Benvenuti in Orca.', cursor=0 Traceback (most recent call last): File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1042, in showPreferencesGUI ['']) File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py", line 44, in import default # for the default keyBindings File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/default.py", line 62, in import script File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/script.py", line 52, in import tutorialgenerator Thank you in advance! From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 25 08:49:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95029750223 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:49:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 3.02 X-Spam-Level: *** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=3.02 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, TVD_SPACE_RATIO=2.219] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5Apu0sM3SpAG for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:49:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1FBDC750356 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:49:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01EC4AAD for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:48:59 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AibPABwHskhV4hZbPGdsb2JhbACBXwaEa4JtiGYBAQEBLaEzgWs Received: from c-5b16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mjw.se.se) ([85.226.22.91]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2008 10:48:59 +0200 Received: from mj4cb43de67893 (c-5516e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.226.22.85]) by mjw.se.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTPA id 6034A49C131 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:48:57 +0200 (CEST) From: "mattias" To: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:48:56 +0200 Message-ID: <32105BF623D842399F00DEDB3A141B1A@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] test X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:49:37 -0000 From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 25 10:07:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A20F375061A for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:07:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:41:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.73] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pPt6x12ka9ts for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:07:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92389750449 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:05:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 481183EA01E35429 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:05:47 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AtuMABwHskhV4hZbPGdsb2JhbACBXwaHEUeIZgEBAQEtoTOBaw Received: from c-5b16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mjw.se.se) ([85.226.22.91]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2008 12:05:47 +0200 Received: from mj4cb43de67893 (c-617fe055.026-5-6d6a6210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.224.127.97]) by mjw.se.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTPA id D09BD49C131 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:05:44 +0200 (CEST) From: "mattias" To: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:05:44 +0200 Message-ID: <38DA12B1FF5A4E68B4E67E2F1CD72E1F@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:07:33 -0000 I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something I have java installed Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk Something i have mssing?? From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 25 10:53:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2E8C75049B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:53:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 6703 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4EeXqcQVpKFx for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:53:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02BCB75053A for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:52:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94CD02A01B9; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:49:49 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0MX6fksAyG2h; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:49:48 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [189.25.15.10]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id B95D02A0140; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:49:47 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48B28EE1.8000407@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:52:17 -0300 From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080822030405) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Rui Batista References: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> <1219615793.11426.19.camel@ragb-laptop> <48B1DFBD.7090600@informal.com.br> <1219618342.11426.26.camel@ragb-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1219618342.11426.26.camel@ragb-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] eclipse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 10:53:16 -0000 Hi, All java vm were removed from my computer, except sun-jdk-6. However the problem persists. Thanks. Rui Batista wrote: > Hi, > Dom, 2008-08-24 às 19:25 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: >> If I'm not mistaken I ran a command called update-alternatives to >> configure de default java virtual machine. When I call java with the >> -version flag, I saw the expected version. >> > Running this command I expect eclipse is using openjdk, but just for > confirming go to the eclipse help menu > about eclipse, and click > configuration details. There you will find the -vm variable, it is > something like /usr/lib/jvm/openjd-6 if it is openjdk. > > Regards, Rui Batista >> Rui Batista wrote: >> > Hi, >> > Dom, 2008-08-24 às 18:58 -0300, José Vilmar Estácio de Souza escreveu: >> >> Hi all, >> >> I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca >> >> freezes during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts >> >> to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run >> >> eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine. >> > Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged >> > in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4? >> > I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze.. >> > >> > Regards, >> > -- >> > Rui Batista >> > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com >> > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com >> > Skype: ruiandrebatista >> > weblog pessoal:http://outputstream.wordpress.com >> > >> > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> > -- > Rui Batista > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com > Skype: ruiandrebatista > weblog pessoal:http://outputstream.wordpress.com > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From janina@rednote.net Mon Aug 25 12:29:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1F4F750468 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:29:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2749 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l0Fe4axwVClf for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:29:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66C6A750548 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:28:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (sonata.rednote.net [IPv6:2001:470:b804:1:216:d3ff:fecc:ec01]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PCS26v025280 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:28:13 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PCS2v6011189 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:28:02 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7PCS2K3011187 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:28:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:28:02 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Orca screen reader developers Message-ID: <20080825122802.GA11100@sonata.rednote.net> References: <0K6400GAR9KA1QL0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0K6400GAR9KA1QL0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8084/Mon Aug 25 08:02:23 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing up a computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:29:18 -0000 You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. mike writes: > Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. > There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? > Thanks Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 12:45:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9A97507B9 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:45:54 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id b+1EOnxWY36u for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:45:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06F67505B4 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:44:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PCi0Zw011903 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:44:00 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500E01PYTVV00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500K14Q1BY7D0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:44:00 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:43:56 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <38DA12B1FF5A4E68B4E67E2F1CD72E1F@mj4cb43de67893> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mattias Message-id: <1219668236.8996.3.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <38DA12B1FF5A4E68B4E67E2F1CD72E1F@mj4cb43de67893> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:45:55 -0000 You need this parameter: --with-java-home=PATH Use the jdk at PATH However, I suspect this will end up being a long frustrating journey for you, with the end result being "Hey, FreeTTS doesn't support my language and I don't like how the voices sound." Will On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts > But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something > I have java installed > Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk > Something i have mssing?? > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 12:47:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC6FD750548 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:47:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4VMlZCEU8FQl for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:47:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45DB2750543 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:44:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PCiwLw025052 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:44:58 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500B01PY6IL00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500L4FQ2X0W50@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:44:58 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:44:54 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <20080825072806.GA10228@interim.it> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Roberto Burceni Message-id: <1219668294.8996.4.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <20080825072806.GA10228@interim.it> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Help Orca crashes immediately X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:47:19 -0000 Hi Roberto: Is there more to the stack trace? In addition, did you make sure to do an autogen before rebuilding/reinstalling? Will On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 09:28 +0200, Roberto Burceni wrote: > Hi all, > Yesterday I installed the svn version 4125 of Orca. Unfortunately whe I > restared it, Orca crashed immediately after the welcome message. > I downloaded the 4126 version of svn, but it didn't change. I activated > the debug in Orca and here are the results. > What can I do? > > Using speech server factory: orca.gnomespeechfactory > Speech module has been initialized. > Braille module has been initialized using WINDOWPATH=7 > braille display size = (40, 1) > Magnification module has NOT been initialized. > SPEECH OUTPUT: 'Benvenuti in Orca.' > BRAILLE LINE: 'Benvenuti in Orca.' > VISIBLE: 'Benvenuti in Orca.', cursor=0 > > Traceback (most recent call last): > File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/orca.py", line 1042, in showPreferencesGUI > ['']) > File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/orca_gui_prefs.py", line 44, in > import default # for the default keyBindings > File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/default.py", line 62, in > import script > File "/usr//lib/python2.5/site-packages/orca/script.py", line 52, in > import tutorialgenerator > > Thank you in advance! > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 13:03:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DC783750805 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FBXVqNVX8q-4 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:02:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4A7A27509D4 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:56:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PCuhA5028954 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:56:43 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500001QGU7A00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:56:43 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500LW0QMG0W80@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:56:41 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:56:37 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1219621575.23884.6.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Storm Dragon Message-id: <1219668997.8996.7.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219621575.23884.6.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Possible Orca Bug With text Editors X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:03:05 -0000 Hi Storm: Very odd. :-( Can you please open a bug in bugzilla, attach a file that you're editing (or give us a pointer to it), and also describe how you're accessing the lines (e.g., arrowing, flat review, etc.)? Thanks! Will On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 19:46 -0400, Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > When using Orca in text files with VI, Orca has a tendency to read > more than just the current line. This happens in Gedit too with > really large files over 2k lines. It actually starts happening in VI > in files that are around 30 lines or more. Using Ubuntu Hardy with > Orca-svn from the accessibility repos. I actually first noticed it > back in Gutsy though. > Storm > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 13:04:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38662750417 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:04:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZYcc-Wn2EakN for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:04:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DC727502EE for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PCx3TE026473 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 12:59:03 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500601QQ1JA00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500LNBQQE0W90@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 06:59:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 08:58:59 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1219592028.4006.9.camel@bramacer> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Bram Duvigneau Message-id: <1219669139.8996.8.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219592028.4006.9.camel@bramacer> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Accessing the notification area X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:04:48 -0000 Hi Bram: You might interested in this thread: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2008-August/msg00368.html Hope this helps, Will On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 17:33 +0200, Bram Duvigneau wrote: > Hi all, > > I installed Ubuntu 8.04 next to Windows xp on my laptop today. Most > things are workign great, but it seems that's still inpossible to access > the notification area. A few questions: > > 1. Is this due to Orca or missing accessibility support in the > notification area? > 2. The best solution would be to have a list with all notification icons > and options for clicking on them or opening the context menu. Like the > system tray lists found in Jaws/Window-eyes. Would it be easy to write > such a script? I've Python experiencs, mostly for web applications and > command line scripts and I willing to try. > > Regards, > > Bram Duvigneau > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 25 13:11:12 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C4F117508D1 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:11:12 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.093 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.093 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id d-zKoy5I-iCT for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:11:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1608175071F for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:06:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01EDA3C4 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:05:59 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoN+ABwHskhV4hZbPGdsb2JhbACBXwaHWIhmAQEBAS2hM4Fr Received: from c-5b16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mjw.se.se) ([85.226.22.91]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2008 15:05:59 +0200 Received: from mj4cb43de67893 (c-617fe055.026-5-6d6a6210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.224.127.97]) by mjw.se.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTPA id B271049C131 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:05:56 +0200 (CEST) From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:05:57 +0200 Message-ID: <947709C75CB740FF81E57EFFE0086FD6@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 In-Reply-To: <1219668236.8996.3.camel@ubuntu-laptop> Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:11:13 -0000 The compiler find java without the parameter -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 Skickat: den 25 augusti 2008 14:44 Till: mattias Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] freetts You need this parameter: --with-java-home=3DPATH Use the jdk at PATH =20 However, I suspect this will end up being a long frustrating journey for you, with the end result being "Hey, FreeTTS doesn't support my language and I don't like how the voices sound." Will On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts > But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something I=20 > have java installed Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk > Something i have mssing?? > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 13:26:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 641A375043B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:26:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Jo2cyLV3FMQT for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:25:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5242750882 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:15:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PDFF0S006689 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:15:15 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500H01R2XYW00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500J99RHET120@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:15:15 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:15:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Jonathan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Chac=F3n?= Message-id: <1219670113.6275.3.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems with compiz and gnome-panels X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:26:09 -0000 Hi Jonathan: I just checked, and Compiz doesn't seem to provide the Ctrl+Alt+Tab binding that behaves like Metacity: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/228343 Hopefully the Compiz folks will resolve this! Will On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 20:16 +0200, Jonathan Chacón wrote: > Hello, > > I could jump between the desktop and gnome-panels using control+alt+tab > Yesterday I activated compiz and visual effects for the desktop and the > control+alt+tab keystroke stopped working. > I switch off all visual plugins but the keystroke still doesn't work. > > Does anyone any solution to use compiz and orca without problems? > > Regards > Jonathan Chacón > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Aug 25 13:29:54 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3270B7512D4 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:29:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VeSwYZNwpAKO for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:29:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m21.mx.aol.com (imo-m21.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 30067750935 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:18:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-m21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id 4.d4e.35890c86 (34983); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:18:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by cia-da08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADA088-88a748b2b10c164; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:18:09 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: mattias In-Reply-To: <38DA12B1FF5A4E68B4E67E2F1CD72E1F@mj4cb43de67893> References: <38DA12B1FF5A4E68B4E67E2F1CD72E1F@mj4cb43de67893> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:25:35 +0100 Message-Id: <1219670735.3063.9.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:29:56 -0000 Couple of things to check: make sure that the JDK is the JVM actually in use, if you have both the JRE and JDK then the JRE may be the current JVM (check and alter as necessary the JAVA_HOME environment variable, you may be able to specify what JVM should be used through the configure script of gnome-peech) If your using a distributions package of the JVM make sure that it hasn't split it into various packages for different development purposes (I don't know how various distributions package the JVM but I know some package most libraries in the library files, dev packages for the headers, etc) I guess it is going to be the first which is wrong. Michael Whapples On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts > But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something > I have java installed > Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk > Something i have mssing?? > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 13:30:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54578751399 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 87LRsJ8wX1K7 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF24D7509F2 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:18:57 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PDIuIG008127 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:18:56 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500601RBXV600@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:18:56 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K65005O7RNF0570@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:18:52 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:18:50 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <947709C75CB740FF81E57EFFE0086FD6@mj4cb43de67893> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: mattias Message-id: <1219670330.6275.7.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT References: <947709C75CB740FF81E57EFFE0086FD6@mj4cb43de67893> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:50 -0000 On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > The compiler find java without the parameter It also needs to find the proper location to include jni.h, which is a header file for Java platform development. As I mention, though, I have a feeling in my stomach that this is going to be a long and frustrating journey that ends up at a dump instead of Shangri-La. :-( However, is there a reason you're trying to get FreeTTS going? Have you come across FreeTTS voices that you prefer for your language? Will > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > FrÃ¥n: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] > Skickat: den 25 augusti 2008 14:44 > Till: mattias > Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org > Ämne: Re: [orca-list] freetts > > > You need this parameter: > > --with-java-home=PATH Use the jdk at PATH > > However, I suspect this will end up being a long frustrating journey for > you, with the end result being "Hey, FreeTTS doesn't support my language > and I don't like how the voices sound." > > Will > > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > > I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts > > But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something I > > have java installed Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk > > Something i have mssing?? > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 25 13:35:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79DA3750B54 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:35:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.093 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.093 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PwmkSGUPjVGi for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:34:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B047E750B2C for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A01EDBD6D for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:21:43 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AoN+AK8NskhV4hZbPGdsb2JhbACBXwaHWIhmAQEBAS2hToFr Received: from c-5b16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mjw.se.se) ([85.226.22.91]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2008 15:21:43 +0200 Received: from mj4cb43de67893 (c-617fe055.026-5-6d6a6210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.224.127.97]) by mjw.se.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTPA id 4AC8A49C131 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:21:40 +0200 (CEST) From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:21:41 +0200 Message-ID: <7CAE31D8129C4791AEE4E4CB36095861@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <1219670330.6275.7.camel@ubuntu-laptop> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:35:00 -0000 I no freetts not exist in swedish -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM]=20 Skickat: den 25 augusti 2008 15:19 Till: mattias Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] freetts On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 15:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > The compiler find java without the parameter It also needs to find the proper location to include jni.h, which is a header file for Java platform development. As I mention, though, I have a feeling in my stomach that this is going to be a long and frustrating journey that ends up at a dump instead of Shangri-La. :-( However, is there a reason you're trying to get FreeTTS going? Have you come across FreeTTS voices that you prefer for your language? Will >=20 > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: William.Walker@Sun.COM [mailto:William.Walker@Sun.COM] > Skickat: den 25 augusti 2008 14:44 > Till: mattias > Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org > =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] freetts >=20 >=20 > You need this parameter: >=20 > --with-java-home=3DPATH Use the jdk at PATH > =20 > However, I suspect this will end up being a long frustrating journey=20 > for you, with the end result being "Hey, FreeTTS doesn't support my=20 > language and I don't like how the voices sound." >=20 > Will >=20 > On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > > I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts > > But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something=20 > > I > > have java installed Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk > > Something i have mssing?? > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >=20 > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Mon Aug 25 13:35:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 77A9A750B54 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:35:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.107 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.107 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id SYa2P0a9FIJP for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:34:55 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy2.bredband.net (proxy2.bredband.net [195.54.101.72]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B72C0750B3B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:21:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy2.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811833301E57863 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:21:43 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApyAABwHskhV4hZbPGdsb2JhbACBXwaHWIFBhyUBAQEBLaEzgWs Received: from c-5b16e255.457-1-64736c10.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO mjw.se.se) ([85.226.22.91]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 25 Aug 2008 15:21:43 +0200 Received: from mj4cb43de67893 (c-617fe055.026-5-6d6a6210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se [85.224.127.97]) by mjw.se.se (vPostMaster) with ESMTPA id 7452949C215 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:21:40 +0200 (CEST) From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:21:41 +0200 Message-ID: <08A6AB45EAD0493FAA0F51C2F20C08DB@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <1219670735.3063.9.camel@localhost> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] freetts X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:35:02 -0000 I run ubuntu 8.0 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Michael Whapples [mailto:mwhapples@aim.com]=20 Skickat: den 25 augusti 2008 15:26 Till: mattias Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] freetts Couple of things to check: make sure that the JDK is the JVM actually in use, if you have both the JRE and JDK then the JRE may be the current JVM (check and alter as necessary the JAVA_HOME environment variable, you may be able to specify what JVM should be used through the configure script of gnome-peech) If your using a distributions package of the JVM make sure that it hasn't split it into various packages for different development purposes (I don't know how various distributions package the JVM but I know some package most libraries in the library files, dev packages for the headers, etc) I guess it is going to be the first which is wrong. Michael Whapples On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 12:05 +0200, mattias wrote: > I try to compile gnome-speech with freetts > But the compiler will not found something called jni.h or something I=20 > have java installed Both sun-java-5-dre sun-java5-jdk > Something i have mssing?? >=20 From William.Walker@Sun.COM Mon Aug 25 13:49:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7FCCD751915 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:49:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DwxSSLyVgOFx for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:49:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B400C75134B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7PDUFD6009068 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:30:15 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6500B01RL01R00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:30:15 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6500JQYS66T170@mail-amer.sun.com>; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 07:30:07 -0600 (MDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:30:05 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <6ABE4760185245419A60D8D482B4F3F9@TB210433> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: "Peter op 't Hof" Message-id: <1219671005.6275.9.camel@ubuntu-laptop> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.23.90 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219569442.14273.0.camel@ubuntu> <6ABE4760185245419A60D8D482B4F3F9@TB210433> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] several difficulties with Opensolaris X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:49:53 -0000 Hi Peter: Darn! Let's try to get you going. Does the content at http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Braille help? Will On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 13:20 +0200, Peter op 't Hof wrote: > Dear listers, > > I am working with Opensolaris to improve accessibility and awareness here in > the Netherlands. > I use an installation from Sun Benelux to emulate situations at the > workplace. > > I have Orca running but struggle with Brltty. > The message "No screen" appears, also when i reload Orca. > It could be that BRLAPI is not communicating with BRLTTY but i am not sure. > > I use the following commandline (worked with earlier distribution of > Opensolaris): > > brltty -bvo -d usb: -xno -p none -A auth=none -n > > Yes, i use a Tieman Braillevoyager. > As far as i can see i do not use the latest BRLTTY. > I am familiar with the upgrade-proces under Ubuntu but for Opensolaris i > really have to learn. > I really would like to ubgrade, but stumble on BCE and other > buildprocedures. > Perhaps the VCN-approach foor Solaris is the same as Ubuntu or Redhat? > > I could replace this operatingsystem with Ubuntu but need this > testenviroment to complete my projects for the Opendoc Society here. > > Could someone help me with this? > > Thanks in advance. > > With regards, > > Peter op 't Hof. > > Http://www.blindict.nl > > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mwhapples@aim.com Mon Aug 25 13:52:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68FE751AE9 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:52:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p4Z9bA0ebheD for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:51:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d23.mx.aol.com (imo-d23.mx.aol.com [205.188.139.137]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 803EC751378 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:31:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mwhapples@aim.com by imo-d23.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id p.d14.310478a2 (37103); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:31:19 -0400 (EDT) Received: from [192.168.1.64] (mwhapples.plus.com [80.229.137.216]) by cia-db08.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB081-90ef48b2b4259e; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:31:18 -0400 From: Michael Whapples To: vilmar@informal.com.br In-Reply-To: <48B28EE1.8000407@informal.com.br> References: <48B1D96B.7060304@informal.com.br> <1219615793.11426.19.camel@ragb-laptop> <48B1DFBD.7090600@informal.com.br> <1219618342.11426.26.camel@ragb-laptop> <48B28EE1.8000407@informal.com.br> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:38:47 +0100 Message-Id: <1219671527.3063.14.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-AOL-IP: 80.229.137.216 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] eclipse X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 13:52:08 -0000 I am encountering similar problems with eclipse with the sun JDK6. I haven't ever waited long enough to find out if orca starts talking after a long time or not. Michael Whapples On Mon, 2008-08-25 at 07:52 -0300, Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote: > Hi, > All java vm were removed from my computer, except sun-jdk-6. However the > problem persists. > Thanks. > > Rui Batista wrote: > > Hi, > > Dom, 2008-08-24 s 19:25 -0300, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza escreveu: > >> If I'm not mistaken I ran a command called update-alternatives to > >> configure de default java virtual machine. When I call java with the > >> -version flag, I saw the expected version. > >> > > Running this command I expect eclipse is using openjdk, but just for > > confirming go to the eclipse help menu > about eclipse, and click > > configuration details. There you will find the -vm variable, it is > > something like /usr/lib/jvm/openjd-6 if it is openjdk. > > > > Regards, Rui Batista > >> Rui Batista wrote: > >> > Hi, > >> > Dom, 2008-08-24 s 18:58 -0300, Jos Vilmar Estcio de Souza escreveu: > >> >> Hi all, > >> >> I gave a try with eclipse and found that when I close eclipse orca > >> >> freezes during a period. If I wait about 30 or 40 seconds orca starts > >> >> to speak again. The interesting part is that this happens only if I run > >> >> eclipse with sun-java6 or sun-java5 as my default java virtual machine. > >> > Have you ried openjd-6? Wich eclipse version, the eclipse 3.2 packaged > >> > in ubuntu repos or the new eclipse 3.4? > >> > I'm using eclipse 3.4 and it doesn't freeze.. > >> > > >> > Regards, > >> > -- > >> > Rui Batista > >> > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com > >> > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com > >> > Skype: ruiandrebatista > >> > weblog pessoal:http://outputstream.wordpress.com > >> > > >> > > >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Orca-list mailing list > >> > Orca-list@gnome.org > >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> > Visithttp://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > >> > >> > > -- > > Rui Batista > > e-mail: ruiandrebatista (at) gmail (dot) com > > msn/wlm: ruiandrebatista (at) hotmail (dot) com > > Skype: ruiandrebatista > > weblog pessoal:http://outputstream.wordpress.com > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 25 15:22:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0775A750F91 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:22:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ob90y77ZTULq for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:22:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 63E13750FFC for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:51:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5004A2A01B5 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:28 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Oz9torlZFTSI for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:26 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [10.0.1.107] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 41D9E2A0194 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:48:26 -0300 (BRT) From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <48B1A3FA.6080407@gmail.com> References: <1218759845.6458.14.camel@vilmar> <48AF14F7.5040404@sun.com> <48B1A3FA.6080407@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Informal Informatica Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:50:52 -0300 Message-Id: <1219675852.16561.13.camel@vilmar> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:22:50 -0000 Hi Fabiano, How did you configure the table speech row option in the orca preferences page? if its value is set to speak current cell, change to speak current row. This is how I'm using without problems. I've problems with evolution in other areas but accessing the message list view is quite usefull in evolution. However I must tell you that my setup is not in portuguese. On Sun, 2008-08-24 at 15:10 -0300, Fabiano Fonseca wrote: > But the Orca does not work well with Evolution in Portuguese. > The reading of the entire list of messages is truncated, impossible to > know if the message contains attachments, or if it was read or not. > > > Em 22-08-2008 16:35, Willie Walker escreveu: > > Hi Jose! > > > > Welcome to the list and congratulations on your success with sending > > e-mail with Orca. Using the version of Evolution that comes with your > > distribution is fine. In general, we like to keep all things that come > > with a particular version of GNOME together --- so, Orca v2.22.x for > > GNOME v2.22.x, Orca v2.23.x for GNOME v2.23.x. Evolution is part of > > GNOME as well. > > > > Having said that, people do mix-and-match things, such as Orca v2.23.x > > with GNOME 2.22.x. It's not a practice I support, but people have > > reported good success with it as long as they grab all the right stuff > > (e.g., updated ATK, AT-SPI, GAIL, etc.). > > > > In any case, if you're willing to live on the most bleeding edge, > > giving Ubuntu Intrepid a try will get you the latest versions of the > > GNOME development builds. > > > > Will > > > > Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza wrote: > >> Hi all, I'd like to know if the version of evolution that I'm running > >> is the > >> recommended version to use with orca. > >> > >> Actually I'm running version 2.22.3.1, installed as default when I did > >> install Ubuntu. > >> Thanks! > >> > >> BTW: This is the first e-mail that I send using orca!!!! > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Orca-list mailing list > >> Orca-list@gnome.org > >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From janina@rednote.net Mon Aug 25 16:32:25 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1E791751334 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:32:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_JP=0.077] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tFygpVxOZ2Aw for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:32:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 34BA8750DF8 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:58:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (sonata.rednote.net [IPv6:2001:470:b804:1:216:d3ff:fecc:ec01]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PFw2C6021753 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:58:12 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PFw2Fw029583; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:58:02 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7PFw29d029581; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:58:02 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:58:02 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: mike Message-ID: <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net 2.6.26.2-14.spk.fc9.x86_64 Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8086/Mon Aug 25 12:20:55 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:32:25 -0000 You use the dd command either in a terminal window or from a console. You should be root to backup a partition. Assuming the partition you want to backup is mounted at /dev/sda3, you might use a command like: dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/home/sda3-backup.img This will create a file in /home, called sda3-backup.img, which will be an exact, byte by byte copy of your /dev/sda3 partition. Clearly, you must have sufficient free space on /home for this to work, so check that with: df /home df /dev/sda3 For long-term storage, you will probably want to compress this file, perhaps like this: tar cjpf sda3-backup.tar.bz2 sda3-backup.img Janina mike writes: > I typed dd and lost speech. I'm sure there is more to that command, can you give me a idea how to use it? > What I have is a windows partition that I want to back up and restore when I replace the hard drive. > Thanks Mike. > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080824-0, 08/24/2008), Outbound message > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > ----- (Original Message) ----- > From: "Janina Sajka" > Date: Monday, August 25, at 8:28 AM > To: Orca screen reader developers > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? > > > You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that > has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar > and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. > > mike writes: > > Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. > > There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? > > Thanks Mike. > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > -- > > Janina Sajka,Phone:+1.202.595.7777;sip:janina@a11y.org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLChttp://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibilityjanina@a11y.org > Linux Foundationhttp://a11y.org > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Or -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From kb8aey@verizon.net Mon Aug 25 16:56:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 799C4750E15 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:56:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.421 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.421 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=1.178, BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1jj2PweZdtSa for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:56:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from vms042pub.verizon.net (vms042pub.verizon.net [206.46.252.42]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5881275120A for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:30:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HP.domain_not_set.invalid ([71.102.81.144]) by vms042.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-6.01 (built Apr 3 2006)) with ESMTPA id <0K6600F4R0J6H5Q2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Date-warning: Date header was inserted by vms042.mailsrvcs.net From: "mike" To: "orca" Message-id: <0K6600F4T0J7H5Q2@vms042.mailsrvcs.net> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: MarvelSoft Post Office V2.00 Subject: [orca-list] I'm having trouble getting orca to read the shut down menu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: mike List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:56:48 -0000 Hi, the shut down menu in ubuntu intrepid is not accessible with Orca. Is this a known problem? Mike. From whistlenut@gmail.com Mon Aug 25 17:01:10 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE8BF7507C7 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:01:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R3oa5oP0C5Zf for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:01:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB6BD75182B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:37:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so2147452gxk.15 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:37:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=lx170GQYWCAZqEhekKwSSKBdcylAkN0wE5rcweSt7Nc=; b=uO3TEq7vUBjYoJkI5PCOjCLQqL+t6m1sPdEfptEekMVKN9UmX8LPkXAGFKE2EznDwg 5i02raWPIFZF+V9ZQ7h5GHyyCDnMcl2C2/YS2uvwI+tKyx0dxWoJlR1GlWLMKhQOgS8t EJbZCyPPf95eNPAHzacaqN/RMZm9tBdgg8+Ms= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=sIIQJ8u00KYJ00qQgaN/NvXif8GHSlNnCfeFe/cXqVyOhbBhilD4fEJi1SBDmRrJe5 rChnfZLHN74tbn3mxlVcLRCiTXyDErG19d1V/e1KB0X3nkvn7O434y7qzkd3WXD2rnGf C/1iekb8WktxMK81RFsEJ8+hgdJNSJJPxT6nU= Received: by 10.142.188.4 with SMTP id l4mr1598767wff.183.1219682239845; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.98.7 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:37:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8215cb2c0808250937t21550552x810b73b7cc11c6f1@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:37:19 -0500 From: "Josh Andrews" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:01:11 -0000 I tried running Orca on A Debian Egi live CD, but an error message showed up saying Orca was not on it. Does Debian come with orca? If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome terminal and typing "aptget -install Orca"? Thanks, Josh. From whistlenut@gmail.com Mon Aug 25 17:02:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33F9C750FE5 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:02:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 7968 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.18] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mCkYsyiDzxfy for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:02:49 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A5BDF7516F5 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:40:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so2153378gxk.15 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:40:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=tnEhX/a+nT9eX1xkU1eIOj8qolQrHYdcAM3dL213nYQ=; b=sComJOsLaGsM8SgFhSiIDaRzQ+jwr678sH04yMjUs66OLNjbKpQmtqYuJMIQxsRKXg TB2aKA+yeqdD0tI+MmGiT9asb9I8att114gn0Y/jLv+/9hRS5SjS7/pqwxV7y7lspaGY r4LZI7R+5J/QQ+K/tpV7x97w3yySpbf17af/U= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=fVASS4nqjIQWiFvhZw+bSGV2n2yGpB87bnkeJHzRvkiq1aiq0GUrfY96guP/W4f9BX 3isNuJ/oYyeOtouSiX3GwjKIpeZoeL2yAXqsZOEU2550GnYpFn0/h60vBd9iwQ4p7IML yGcZ21nV9w/P9w+tF1CY93gi8kpMwzSFFvFMg= Received: by 10.142.142.14 with SMTP id p14mr1608727wfd.114.1219682423479; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.98.7 with HTTP; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 09:40:23 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <8215cb2c0808250940v124382f4g94ee7bfa3e6bd1b7@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 11:40:23 -0500 From: "Josh Andrews" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] Yast and Open Office not accessible in Open Suse. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:02:55 -0000 When I tried to open Open office, orca said that it was inacessible. The same thing happened when I tried to do administrative tasks. What's going on? From jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net Mon Aug 25 17:16:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3A5EB750C62 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:16:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.307 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id KOs21bITtYhz for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:16:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ctsmtpout3.frontal.correo (outmailhost.telefonica.net [213.4.149.242]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94735750E95 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:58:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.0.3] (88.22.26.249) by ctsmtpout3.frontal.correo (7.3.135) (authenticated as jonathan.chacon@telefonica.net) id 489F908400786432 for orca-list@gnome.org; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:58:10 +0200 From: Jonathan =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Chac=F3n?= Cc: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <1219670113.6275.3.camel@ubuntu-laptop> References: <1219670113.6275.3.camel@ubuntu-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 18:58:08 +0200 Message-Id: <1219683488.6807.1.camel@P4mobile> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Subject: Re: [orca-list] Problems with compiz and gnome-panels X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:16:56 -0000 El lun, 25-08-2008 a las 09:15 -0400, Willie Walker escribió: > Hi Jonathan: > Hello Willie > I just checked, and Compiz doesn't seem to provide the Ctrl+Alt+Tab > binding that behaves like Metacity: > Hopefully the Compiz folks will resolve this! I hope that too. Thank you very much Regards Jonathan Chacón From vilmar@informal.com.br Mon Aug 25 17:27:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 950E27509B1 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:27:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_JP=0.077] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gIzUSENWKBw6 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:27:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4610B750961 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:15:59 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id B36D32A02D1; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:13:25 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LIDf3uTcsEF6; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:13:23 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [10.0.1.107] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id D46F82A01B9; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:13:23 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48B2E8CB.9020301@informal.com.br> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 14:15:55 -0300 From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080822030405) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janina Sajka References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 17:27:36 -0000 Hi Janina, As a suggestion, the following command: dd if=/dev/sda3 |bzip2 >/home/backup.img.bz2 Janina Sajka wrote: > You use the dd command either in a terminal window or from a console. > You should be root to backup a partition. Assuming the partition you > want to backup is mounted at /dev/sda3, you might use a command like: > > dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/home/sda3-backup.img > > This will create a file in /home, called sda3-backup.img, which will be > an exact, byte by byte copy of your /dev/sda3 partition. > > Clearly, you must have sufficient free space on /home for this to work, > so check that with: > > df /home > df /dev/sda3 > > For long-term storage, you will probably want to compress this file, > perhaps like this: > > tar cjpf sda3-backup.tar.bz2 sda3-backup.img > > Janina > > > mike writes: > >> I typed dd and lost speech. I'm sure there is more to that command, can you give me a idea how to use it? >> What I have is a windows partition that I want to back up and restore when I replace the hard drive. >> Thanks Mike. >> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080824-0, 08/24/2008), Outbound message >> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >> >> >> ----- (Original Message) ----- >> From: "Janina Sajka" >> Date: Monday, August 25, at 8:28 AM >> To: Orca screen reader developers >> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? >> >> >> You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that >> has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar >> and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. >> >> mike writes: >> >>> Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. >>> There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? >>> Thanks Mike. >>> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message >>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka,Phone:+1.202.595.7777;sip:janina@a11y.org >> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLChttp://CapitalAccessibility.Com >> >> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada >> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com >> >> Chair, Open Accessibilityjanina@a11y.org >> Linux Foundationhttp://a11y.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Or >> > > From janina@rednote.net Mon Aug 25 19:15:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1F09F75020E for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:15:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_JP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2816 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id MnKS-f6FJiqw for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:14:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC4BB75020F for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:14:48 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (sonata.rednote.net [IPv6:2001:470:b804:1:216:d3ff:fecc:ec01]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PJEZfd001478 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:14:46 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PJEZeN015936; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:14:35 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7PJEYhw015933; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:14:34 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 15:14:34 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Message-ID: <20080825191434.GF5064@sonata.rednote.net> References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> <48B2E8CB.9020301@informal.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48B2E8CB.9020301@informal.com.br> X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net 2.6.26.2-14.spk.fc9.x86_64 Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8086/Mon Aug 25 12:20:55 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:15:01 -0000 Yes, indeed. The obvious logical next step is to combine the imaging and compression into a single command. I didn't go that far because I surmised that explaining the individual parts would be helpful. However, pipes and redirection provide wonderful opportunities to simplify tasks to a single command, and this is a straight forward example. I would caution that the bunzip will probably take a lot of time. Indeed, dd will take quite some time, but the bunzip even more. You might want to do this overnight. Janina Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza writes: > Hi Janina, > As a suggestion, the following command: > dd if=/dev/sda3 |bzip2 >/home/backup.img.bz2 > Janina Sajka wrote: >> You use the dd command either in a terminal window or from a console. >> You should be root to backup a partition. Assuming the partition you >> want to backup is mounted at /dev/sda3, you might use a command like: >> >> dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/home/sda3-backup.img >> >> This will create a file in /home, called sda3-backup.img, which will be >> an exact, byte by byte copy of your /dev/sda3 partition. >> >> Clearly, you must have sufficient free space on /home for this to work, >> so check that with: >> >> df /home >> df /dev/sda3 >> >> For long-term storage, you will probably want to compress this file, >> perhaps like this: >> >> tar cjpf sda3-backup.tar.bz2 sda3-backup.img >> >> Janina >> >> >> mike writes: >> >>> I typed dd and lost speech. I'm sure there is more to that command, can you give me a idea how to use it? >>> What I have is a windows partition that I want to back up and restore when I replace the hard drive. >>> Thanks Mike. >>> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080824-0, 08/24/2008), Outbound message >>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >>> >>> >>> ----- (Original Message) ----- >>> From: "Janina Sajka" >>> Date: Monday, August 25, at 8:28 AM >>> To: Orca screen reader developers >>> Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? >>> >>> >>> You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that >>> has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar >>> and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. >>> >>> mike writes: >>> >>>> Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. >>>> There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? >>>> Thanks Mike. >>>> X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message >>>> X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Orca-list mailing list >>>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >>>> >>> -- >>> >>> Janina Sajka,Phone:+1.202.595.7777;sip:janina@a11y.org >>> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLChttp://CapitalAccessibility.Com >>> >>> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada >>> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com >>> >>> Chair, Open Accessibilityjanina@a11y.org >>> Linux Foundationhttp://a11y.org >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Orca-list mailing list >>> Orca-list@gnome.org >>> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >>> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Or >>> >> >> -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Mon Aug 25 19:32:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 927F67500BD for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:32:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.183] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZW8cMwK2Tsou for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:32:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.183]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 42A1F75007D for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:32:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.24] (p5B210D14.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.13.20]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu6) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML29c-1KXhnC3bp3-0001n2; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:32:00 +0200 Message-ID: <48B308B1.9050000@onlinehome.de> Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 21:32:01 +0200 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080825035820) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Janina Sajka References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> <48B2E8CB.9020301@informal.com.br> <20080825191434.GF5064@sonata.rednote.net> In-Reply-To: <20080825191434.GF5064@sonata.rednote.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18ZSA1LlLdmwvFQgWrQu6eM8P706f/weLofFNA hlCSxlNBHVHUG+OixoYdarp/iufpxHvaShxDASUz9YZfGPlXc5 aas4uQTqKiRC4hCtoukQQ== Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 19:32:32 -0000 Janina Sajka wrote: > Yes, indeed. The obvious logical next step is to combine the imaging and > compression into a single command. > I think the problem is not what program you use, it might be dd as well as any useful program, such as partimage, which I prefer. The main problem however is that you cannot backup a working system, e.g. you have to unmount your partition. before storing a backup. And this brings back the original suggestion of using rescue CDs. My favorite is: http://grml.org which uses a text Linux by default. It comes with Speakup, so it can be used by people that do not own a braille display. Sorry of being OT to a certain extend, but I want to add these notes. Hermann From janina@rednote.net Mon Aug 25 20:18:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 827B27500CC for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:18:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2827 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6n-0CgrrRj84 for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:18:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FD8275050B for ; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:15:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (sonata.rednote.net [IPv6:2001:470:b804:1:216:d3ff:fecc:ec01]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PKFSlK005061 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:15:39 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost [IPv6:::1] (may be forged)) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7PKFSic016440; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:28 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7PKFSu5016437; Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:28 -0400 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 16:15:28 -0400 From: Janina Sajka To: Hermann Message-ID: <20080825201528.GH5064@sonata.rednote.net> References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> <48B2E8CB.9020301@informal.com.br> <20080825191434.GF5064@sonata.rednote.net> <48B308B1.9050000@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <48B308B1.9050000@onlinehome.de> X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net 2.6.26.2-14.spk.fc9.x86_64 Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8086/Mon Aug 25 12:20:55 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2008 20:18:49 -0000 Hermann is correct. You should ever only try to use any of these tools on a system not currently running. However, if you're going to use dd, it's quite possible the system you're backing up isn't running. For instance, this is true if you dual boot. When you boot into Linux, your Win partition is not running and you can safely back it up with dd. If the machine you're backing up has but one OS on its hd, you do need to boot from some other mechanism, pxe, cd-rom, usb stick, etc.. But, this still doesn't eliminate good old dd from the range of available tools that can properly do the job. Janina Hermann writes: > Janina Sajka wrote: >> Yes, indeed. The obvious logical next step is to combine the imaging and >> compression into a single command. >> > I think the problem is not what program you use, it might be dd as well > as any useful program, such as partimage, which I prefer. > The main problem however is that you cannot backup a working system, > e.g. you have to unmount your partition. before storing a backup. > And this brings back the original suggestion of using rescue CDs. My > favorite is: > http://grml.org > which uses a text Linux by default. > It comes with Speakup, so it can be used by people that do not own a > braille display. > Sorry of being OT to a certain extend, but I want to add these notes. > Hermann -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From hackingkk@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 05:42:56 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 717F3750075 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 05:42:56 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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I did sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca and necessary things were instaled. but when I run ./configure, I get the error which says "your intltool is too old, you need intltool 0.40 or later". I can't get this by sudo apt-get install and I believe the build-dep command should have done this. What is the reason for such a strange behaviour? What should I install for solving this? happy hacking. KK From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Tue Aug 26 07:13:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDC7D75007D for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:13:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 55 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C+jl1+8MOW44 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:13:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 2DFA675008F for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:13:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 9955 invoked by uid 89); 26 Aug 2008 07:13:32 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 9935, pid: 9952, t: 0.1910s scanners: clamav: 0.90.3/m:43/d:3378 Received: from unknown (HELO csa) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp6.aruba.it with SMTP; 26 Aug 2008 07:13:32 -0000 Message-ID: <03f801c9074b$3510b9c0$06000a0a@csa> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:13:14 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071031-0, 31/10/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] basilar question about updating X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:13:43 -0000 Hi, there is a thing that I didn't understood about updating orca. I know that I can download all source, compile that and run orca. But, if I have ubuntu 8.04 and so, orca 2.22, if I write: apt-get update apt-get -f install Why all my system is not updating to gnome 2.23 and orca 2.23 = automatically? I see it update many packages, but not to 2.23. Why? thanks. -- Simone Dal Maso. Tutti i miei progetti: Spazioausili: consultazione, ricerca e commenti sugli ausili informatici = per non vedenti: http://www.spazioausili.net homepage sviluppo comunita' NVDA: www.nvda.it Visita il mio blog! http://simodm.blogspot.com homepage progetto musicale: www.juvox.it From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Tue Aug 26 07:20:07 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A41E875007F for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:20:07 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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I did the following: Sudo apt-get install bison # for yacc support sudo apt-get --purge remove brltty # one package removed svn checkout svn://mielke.cc/main/brltty cd brltty/ ./autogen ./configure make sudo make install login as root, and start brltty. brltty, 3.11dev, rev 3918 braille is working fine from virtual terminals. when switching to XWindows, the braille display says "screen not in text mode.", which is as expected. Now, i want to varify that orca is working with brltty, so using a gnome-terminal (for display access) again, as root, I started xbrlapi: xbrlapi & The display now reads "unknown". I press alt+f2 (because i want to start orca separately) and to my amazement i can read "Run Application". On the other hand what i type is not made available. and in the run window i type "orca", orca starts as usual, but orca is not taking control of the braille display. I made sure that orca braille support was enabled. When focusing gedit (with or without orca), the braille display reads: "Unsaved Document , - gedit", again typed strings are not shown. What step have i missed out, or what additional info can i provide? starting python, and typing "import brlapi" gives no errors. Your advice is greatly welcome (Ubuntu gutsy, trunk atk, gail, at-spi, orca rev 4098). Thanks, -Jon From jason@jasonjgw.net Tue Aug 26 07:58:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B899775010D for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:58:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 2944 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id QShIV5+zV0fg for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:58:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70728750106 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:58:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7Q7wacZ015188 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:58:39 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7Q7wVeA017157 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:58:31 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7Q7wVod017156 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:58:31 +1000 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:58:31 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080826075831.GA17071@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <20080826071945.GA3048@mhdesktop> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080826071945.GA3048@mhdesktop> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8089/Tue Aug 26 00:28:51 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] brltty trunk and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 07:58:48 -0000 On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 08:19:45AM +0100, Jon wrote: > I was wondering if someone who has used brltty trunk would mind sharing > their experience. I'm running BRLTTY 3.11dev rev 3886 under Debian. Braille with Orca is fine. using this version of BRLTTY. From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 26 09:02:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 99881750088 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:02:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.188] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 49kfH+G79WgR for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:02:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.188]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0D72A750104 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:02:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B21086E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.8.110]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwtQ-1KXuR62okf-0005Ic; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:02:01 +0200 From: Hermann To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20080826075831.GA17071@jdc.jasonjgw.net> (Jason White's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:58:31 +1000") References: <20080826071945.GA3048@mhdesktop> <20080826075831.GA17071@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:02:13 +0200 Message-ID: <87myj0gne2.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18Jsop7hvmtX8T4W3cb9dyiTSY3sTvJwFp2tPx 9GBqIXf14l8lHa79VwPmc1MZ/+lJvDD2WGIKwdcknnad3MSPsW 9t5vpbrSWpPZYfXsDpudA== Subject: Re: [orca-list] brltty trunk and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:02:09 -0000 On 26.08.2008 at 09:58:31 Jason White wrote: > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 08:19:45AM +0100, Jon wrote: >> I was wondering if someone who has used brltty trunk would mind sharing >> their experience. > > I'm running BRLTTY 3.11dev rev 3886 under Debian. Braille with Orca is fine. > using this version of BRLTTY. > But he doesn't know what to do when you just let him know that on your machine everything is fine. I think starting that X-Brlapi stuff is not necessary. Simply restart Orca after restarting brltty. What does happen then? I use the latest Orca with the latest brltty. Hermann From demetry82@googlemail.com Tue Aug 26 09:26:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6DFFE75059B for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:26:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [78.50.205.119]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i12sm8480803wxd.4.2008.08.26.02.24.34 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 02:24:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B3CBCE.3070701@googlemail.com> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:24:30 +0200 From: Demetry User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; de; rv:1.8.1.16) Gecko/20080708 Thunderbird/2.0.0.16 Mnenhy/0.7.5.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca List Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-15; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] Orca and the line numbers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: demetry82@googlemail.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 09:26:01 -0000 Hi, When I switched the line numbers on the option in the settings panel from text editor, Orca doesn't read the line number information. Is there still a bug in Orca? Demetry From mariachiac@aim.com Tue Aug 26 10:24:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC5B750088 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:24:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.999 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.999 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [64.12.137.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3XWDM9jcTri6 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:24:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-m20.mx.aol.com (imo-m20.mx.aol.com [64.12.137.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86A0F7500C5 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:24:13 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mariachiac@aim.com by imo-m20.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id h.d33.3ab8ca51 (37091) for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:24:07 -0400 (EDT) Received: from xmweb17fe (xmweb02.mycingular.net [66.209.10.51]) by cia-db07.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIADB071-90e348b3d9c71bb; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:24:07 -0400 Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:24:06 EDT From: "mariachiac@aim.com" To: orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Seven Enterprise Gateway (v 2.0) X-AOL-IP: 66.209.10.51 Message-ID: Subject: [orca-list] Firefox and distros X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:24:48 -0000 Hello everyone, I've been trying to see what distro would suit me. Fedora seems to be good. However, the browser does not seem to work in the 64bit version. Is the fix stil to use mozilla's build of fire fox whether it be a nightly build or stable release or should I download a 32 bit rpm somewhere. I would also like to to hear what distro people use with orca. Keep in mind that i'm only abe to do tenet instals unless other distros can be installed through grml or ubuntu live cd such as arch linux. Thank you, alonzo From William.Walker@Sun.COM Tue Aug 26 10:34:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB4617502B0 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:34:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OPnByfSBOOJQ for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:34:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AB7D7505EE for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:32:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7QAWZcu004845 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:32:35 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6700H01EJ23H00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K670075CEMAAM50@mail-amer.sun.com>; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:32:35 -0600 (MDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 06:32:34 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <8d3752f20808252242o4f678908y1a3973ed1a16ec02@mail.gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Krishnakant Mane Message-id: <1219746754.10748.5.camel@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <8d3752f20808252242o4f678908y1a3973ed1a16ec02@mail.gmail.com> Cc: orca Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca compilation error, configure complaints about older intltool X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:34:34 -0000 Hi Krishnakant: http://mail.gnome.org/archives/orca-list/2008-August/msg00213.html Hope this helps, Will On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 11:12 +0530, Krishnakant Mane wrote: > hello all, > I am using ubuntu hardy and tryed to compile orca 2.23.90, tar file > dated 18th August 2008. > I did sudo apt-get build-dep gnome-orca and necessary things were instaled. > but when I run ./configure, I get the error which says "your intltool > is too old, you need intltool 0.40 or later". > I can't get this by sudo apt-get install and I believe the build-dep > command should have done this. > What is the reason for such a strange behaviour? > What should I install for solving this? > happy hacking. > KK > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Tue Aug 26 10:51:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC5657500CF for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 10:51:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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Thanks -Jon On Tue 26/08/2008 at 11:02:13, Hermann wrote: > On 26.08.2008 at 09:58:31 Jason White wrote: > > > On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 08:19:45AM +0100, Jon wrote: > >> I was wondering if someone who has used brltty trunk would mind sharing > >> their experience. > > > > I'm running BRLTTY 3.11dev rev 3886 under Debian. Braille with Orca is fine. > > using this version of BRLTTY. > > > But he doesn't know what to do when you just let him know that on your machine > everything is fine. > I think starting that X-Brlapi stuff is not necessary. Simply restart > Orca after restarting brltty. What does happen then? > I use the latest Orca with the latest brltty. > Hermann > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 26 11:07:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88D0675010D for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:07:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3gH6WxoDrJVp for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:07:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A6E867502A5 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:07:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B21086E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.8.110]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKwh2-1KXwOO0cvJ-0007Mu; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:07:20 +0200 From: Hermann To: Jon In-Reply-To: <20080826105057.GA748@mhdesktop> (Jon's message of "Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:50:57 +0100") References: <20080826071945.GA3048@mhdesktop> <20080826075831.GA17071@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <87myj0gne2.fsf@onlinehome.de> <20080826105057.GA748@mhdesktop> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:07:33 +0200 Message-ID: <87abf0ghl6.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1+ykcZ9juyckNqYh11qfbUJ0LHx2W2O52n7Wkf be7MTohtr8b0k60xT1p1W0JZEBrIJbAto0YpjuhfMrepl8rZNI X83Y206FJZteBVMZ2bHjw== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] brltty trunk and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:07:47 -0000 On 26.08.2008 at 12:50:57 Jon wrote: > Thanks Hermann, > > if skip the step of starting xbrlapi, then when orca is started, the > braille display still shows "screen not in text mode". > What happens, when you recompile Orca? Do you have only one brltty binary, and is it located in /bin? It has to be so. Hermann From j.orcauser@googlemail.com Tue Aug 26 11:36:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AB193750158 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:36:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 2564 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.92.173] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id IgUqEFvxpF0l for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:36:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com (ug-out-1314.google.com [66.249.92.173]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7DB9575016B for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:35:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ug-out-1314.google.com with SMTP id t30so900754ugc.22 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:35:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:to:subject:message-id :reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; bh=jB4pjsTl2NEmEKnkozZKVSqwAUcFMtzsOv7/IRX3MVU=; b=euai6jeQpOLxcLdYAFTpmFeGywO81ZwpVoqcwJY/uVgRKn+waEYd+FLMx6VcMVuN6W 6he6MuliLDnn2qVsIaKeDI7TDqulsjlsVUADwlxWbxu0/E7mb6uQ9IqpEREFmvInki3o f7DHEY/VitzoJKkctV/Oo/rH8Om65H3ionaSg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=date:to:subject:message-id:reply-to:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent:fcc:from; b=xm8YcaTid3cQZ/rUeASIu5+NwMhly2SbKD4DSFaOGbJvqgYV1fAKQi24mfYllr00k9 28he2aQCqlv+YYY0TPzAViJ1qmK/xHYgytmnbKe6MWSF2V+F2mm2CqIaSC9ArJntZVbJ hiowrZHHmmDWRdvD8pnQNjbGQ4Iol57qMQwOU= Received: by 10.67.10.18 with SMTP id n18mr440772ugi.88.1219750533939; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ( [82.32.202.237]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id y7sm18527162ugc.6.2008.08.26.04.35.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 04:35:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 12:35:22 +0100 To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080826113520.GA656@mhdesktop> References: <20080826071945.GA3048@mhdesktop> <20080826075831.GA17071@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <87myj0gne2.fsf@onlinehome.de> <20080826105057.GA748@mhdesktop> <87abf0ghl6.fsf@onlinehome.de> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87abf0ghl6.fsf@onlinehome.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.4.2.2i Fcc: =bmh From: Jon Subject: Re: [orca-list] brltty trunk and orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Jon List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 11:36:56 -0000 which brltty /bin/brltty updatedb; locate brltty things turn up in: /bin/brltty-install /bin/brltty-config /bin/brltty /etc/brltty/* /lib/brltty/* /usr/include/brltty/* /usr/share/man/man1/brltty.1 and the svn directory in my home dir. Sorry if i forgot to mension that i did: make clean ./autogen.sh make sudo make install in the orca svn dir, and things worked as expected. Thanks -Jon On Tue 26/08/2008 at 13:07:33, Hermann wrote: > On 26.08.2008 at 12:50:57 Jon wrote: > > > Thanks Hermann, > > > > if skip the step of starting xbrlapi, then when orca is started, the > > braille display still shows "screen not in text mode". > > > What happens, when you recompile Orca? > Do you have only one brltty binary, and is it located in /bin? > It has to be so. > Hermann From pdm@zamazal.org Tue Aug 26 16:40:45 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE6BE75010A for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:40:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.207 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.207 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.392, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1623 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [217.66.176.51] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id uriuaZEQCwOp for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:40:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zamazal.org (ip51.strelice.net [217.66.176.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6144B75002F for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:40:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbird.nest.zamazal.org ([192.168.129.12]) by zamazal.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KY1aw-0007s7-Cg; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:40:38 +0200 Received: from pdm by blackbird.nest.zamazal.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KY1ar-0007s3-Aa; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:40:33 +0200 To: "Josh Andrews" References: <8215cb2c0808250937t21550552x810b73b7cc11c6f1@mail.gmail.com> From: Milan Zamazal Organization: BRAILCOM, o.p.s. Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: "Josh Andrews" , Orca-list@gnome.org Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:40:33 +0200 In-Reply-To: <8215cb2c0808250937t21550552x810b73b7cc11c6f1@mail.gmail.com> (sfid-20080825_190121_589091_FFFFFFFFB69EFF71) (Josh Andrews's message of "Mon\, 25 Aug 2008 11\:37\:19 -0500") Message-ID: <87k5e3ohku.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:40:46 -0000 >>>>> "JA" == Josh Andrews writes: JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome terminal and JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"? Thanks, apt-get install gnome-orca Please note that: - This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or experimental. - `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related to accessibility. Regards, Milan Zamazal From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 26 18:00:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0BA3D750088 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.293 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.293 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3891 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.65] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id R4JeYbUVQCEV for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe03.swip.net [212.247.154.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C103C7500EB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=f4VEORT5E6UA:10 a=QW3mX9LWd2QA:10 a=rK4WLgmXySFEn46bkyZiLA==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=klp9_5hjcENyS-_vZVgA:9 a=HSURFU4L1yZhpjYw_sdsDqZg4i4A:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=NFOtE98UmbYA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.97] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe03.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1057545115 for Orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:00:05 +0200 From: "mattias" Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:00:04 +0200 Message-ID: <60485D72BA9D44B6AEA310310A4FF956@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <87k5e3ohku.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:00:17 -0000 Wy use debian????? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r Milan Zamazal Skickat: den 26 augusti 2008 18:41 Till: Josh Andrews Kopia: Orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca? >>>>> "JA" =3D=3D Josh Andrews writes: JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome terminal and JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"? Thanks, apt-get install gnome-orca Please note that: - This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or experimental. - `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related to accessibility. Regards, Milan Zamazal _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 26 18:12:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C1FE17503BB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:12:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3888 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.65] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id BT+4NGbP59mF for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:12:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe11.swip.net [212.247.155.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 33D827504D0 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:08:28 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=-0YiJ93A1H_O-vg-0H8A:9 a=n370T-lUAjK0yJaVVtQIGzWI8UgA:4 a=82oY0VH9lU0A:10 Received: from [85.224.127.97] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe11.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 880832641 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:08:26 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:08:25 +0200 Message-Id: <1219774105.6203.3.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] debian X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:12:41 -0000 way use debian?? From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 26 18:23:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2E3BF7500BE for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3890 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id l8MaD5WD-SaK for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe06.swip.net [212.247.154.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2CA077500EB for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:51 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 Received: from [85.224.127.97] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe06.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1053383305 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:23:50 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:23:49 +0200 Message-Id: <1219775029.17615.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] sorry testing ignore X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:58 -0000 From mj@mjw.se Tue Aug 26 19:38:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EBBD575010D for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:38:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3489 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id TtPzhJnJR+EG for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:38:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0D257500AA for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:38:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Ly0exctbIuCZDNLktCM0Pg==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=9VF0n2yLi47ROnH023QA:9 a=e3nzyjTRMx5XaFz789YA:7 a=LOHdPYV5Z65PlSbIT0iPz4Wky7MA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=trPmDcgzO54A:10 a=NG6T_zFlut0A:10 Received: from [85.226.22.147] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 2925751 for orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:38:19 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:38:17 +0200 Message-ID: <079DA17916C945ACA833AFD749039C0E@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] Firefox and distros X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:38:31 -0000 Hm how to install arch from grml? -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r mariachiac@aim.com Skickat: den 26 augusti 2008 12:24 Till: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: [orca-list] Firefox and distros Hello everyone, I've been trying to see what distro would suit me. Fedora seems to be good. However, the browser does not seem to work in the 64bit version. Is the fix stil to use mozilla's build of fire fox whether it be a nightly build or stable release or should I download a 32 bit rpm somewhere. I would also like to to hear what distro people use with orca. Keep in mind that i'm only abe to do tenet instals unless other distros can be installed through grml or ubuntu live cd such as arch linux. Thank you, alonzo _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From milton@tomaatnet.nl Tue Aug 26 19:52:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1229750342 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:52:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 7726 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.88] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Z5oTobLeidVi for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:52:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.versatel.nl (smtp1.versatel.nl [62.58.50.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BE12E7504D3 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:49:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 11942 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 2008 19:48:52 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.8]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp1.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 26 Aug 2008 19:48:52 -0000 From: Milton To: Orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:48:51 +0200 Message-Id: <1219780131.16646.4.camel@boy-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] thank you X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:52:35 -0000 Hello Orca developpers, This is my first e-mail with Evolution. I am still new with Ubuntu and Orca. I just want to say, thank you so much for all the work you are doing! Best wishes, Milton From milton@tomaatnet.nl Tue Aug 26 19:56:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1DA9C750075 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 7726 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.88] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5MQH2oOkJHZs for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp1.versatel.nl (smtp1.versatel.nl [62.58.50.88]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 592307500BE for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 18478 invoked by uid 0); 26 Aug 2008 19:56:13 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.8]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp1.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 26 Aug 2008 19:56:13 -0000 From: Milton To: Orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:56:12 +0200 Message-Id: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] OO and ORC X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 19:56:41 -0000 Hello List, Is there an accessible OCR program with Orca? I tried to put text on my screen from a scanner. My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6. I tried in OpenOffice to import from the scanner but it only import the text as an image. Thanks in advance. Milton From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Tue Aug 26 20:17:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0DAD875089E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.177] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jRNMrZ16lY4U for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.177]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9319D750A32 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:11:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [192.168.178.22] (p5B21086E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.8.110]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1KY4su3q0k-000645; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:11:25 +0200 Message-ID: <48B46371.90206@onlinehome.de> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:11:29 +0200 From: Hermann User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080826030211) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Milton References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> In-Reply-To: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/iwBlgpEbtTC05knJN5HRuWjqNrqCjM5rjlUR ocsKHJJJ5d88F3+QVvx6p6ax89qjF3Y4xMd6qD6ITqXul3FZZq kC8IcSLnsmuxHbb4JUE0w== Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] OO and ORC X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:17:43 -0000 On 26.08.2008 21:56, Milton wrote: > Hello List, > > Is there an accessible OCR program with Orca? I tried to put text on my > screen from a scanner. My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6. > I tried in OpenOffice to import from the scanner but it only import the > text as an image. Ubuntu comes with no OCR. You might try out Tesseract, but it is a text based program, and it needs sane and sane-utils installed. Teh configuration cannot be described in general, because it depends on your scanner. Note: The results cannot compete with those of sophisticated Windows OCRs, such as Finereader or Omnipage. Hermann From joelgomezb@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 20:26:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BB6247506EC for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:26:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.407 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD=2.191] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Cpzv-33Md7Um for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:26:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC9D75074D for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:14:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so3311475gxk.15 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:14:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=7LSQyCfhbl5BErYDr6s7WOu+K8NAZUTnwiXZgVmTJH8=; b=p2x4rr1GsPlgalCB4QT+3JZk89mj+5ZqD2af9n4P/cf6KgdQA8BxrnOLEBzvWRcvkJ k8vgHXtqzG7r25HetFtxvUajvESyBCju9hJjhLnT6fRO+cGO7Dys5DrtInt01gSWTX/r 1XiiPjiVJP03UqbQAY/3nTgdflaOC4MoS4GUA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=HnSSSQJkRvIZzSLGDBQUlduwu2nVRwA2hvKTsBR9LjCz4wJtWufolzI5mnlLw787yy MQzcbWQBRVrmSQ9TQKBqV1rZGNZxYoK0S4hRVGMt8CjcGQp1PDaLgM4/7NvafiImZV2F 9et9ikgkr1pIfXS/m97b5c510ZJMtQK7DCvl8= Received: by 10.151.113.11 with SMTP id q11mr157826ybm.249.1219781659936; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.102.14 with HTTP; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:14:19 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:44:19 +1930 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joel_G=F3mez?=" To: mattias In-Reply-To: <60485D72BA9D44B6AEA310310A4FF956@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11715_19164236.1219781659889" References: <87k5e3ohku.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <60485D72BA9D44B6AEA310310A4FF956@mj4cb43de67893> Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:26:24 -0000 ------=_Part_11715_19164236.1219781659889 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline visit this wiki: www.mundoaccesible.org.ve. 2008/8/27 mattias > Wy use debian????? > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] > F=F6r Milan Zamazal > Skickat: den 26 augusti 2008 18:41 > Till: Josh Andrews > Kopia: Orca-list@gnome.org > =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca? > > > >>>>> "JA" =3D=3D Josh Andrews writes: > > JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome terminal and > JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"? Thanks, > > apt-get install gnome-orca > > Please note that: > > - This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or > experimental. > > - `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related to > accessibility. > > Regards, > > Milan Zamazal > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > --=20 http://joelgomezb.blogspot.com Linux User #435411 ------=_Part_11715_19164236.1219781659889 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
visit this wiki: www.mundoaccesible.org.ve.

2008/= 8/27 mattias <mj@mjw.se>
Wy use debian????= ?

-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gn= ome.org [mailto:orca-lis= t-bounces@gnome.org]
F=F6r Milan Zamazal
Skickat: den 26 augusti 2008 18:41
Till: Josh Andrews
Kopia: Orca-list@gnome.org
=C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Does Debian come with Orca?


>>>>> "JA" =3D=3D Josh Andrews <whistlenut@gmail.com> writes:

   JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome ter= minal and
   JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"?  Thanks,=

apt-get install gnome-orca

Please note that:

- This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or
 experimental.

- `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related to  accessibility.

Regards,

Milan Zamazal
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Orca-list mailing list
Orca-list@gnome.org http://m= ail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
Visit http://live.= gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca

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Orca-list@gnome.org
http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list
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------=_Part_11715_19164236.1219781659889-- From chris.w1gm@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 20:45:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EDF34750126 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:45:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4722 hrs), (distance 13, link: (Google 2)), [72.14.204.237] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id V-UrOsnzA0Lo for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:45:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.237]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5FC5475044A for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:37:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id d7so3413973qbd.33 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:37:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:from:to:subject :message-id:references:mime-version:content-type:content-disposition :in-reply-to:user-agent; bh=YKpwfrKmfGauLyw6KfxfVUafqKGMoKV4HTTmIklVNTU=; b=oo4lcyATK6Etnu0sKTUK/e3ydHTJ1hb6Xwy8NL96lLl6Nhk0ehBzweg1EUGiPR2uZ5 RK48DiZwBkd/QSWad2rZ1uCGMSb3L9H5W8ok2Qgm8+N/BHKmFvvaJAGDO2LDgGnvwQwX AHMqaMa8fHDA7wUp6J8o+cxaqMcX8iLjeM5bU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:from:to:subject:message-id:references:mime-version :content-type:content-disposition:in-reply-to:user-agent; b=Y/OYa4sKvqUKeXd3cqlVigAVNuUv612mKPB7zg0cLNfEb6fQb4JJlHZMNOXkEuKhec zpb0Ba7NI2c4gPlYi+CuQfD9JXk9A2K3+BwMF5W5GujQlIHXlPYP0UzqDv5W5zu6h0YQ bLIxI86JfA/LIXC12jVYMLCuWWty95w4tAbaE= Received: by 10.210.71.12 with SMTP id t12mr8999613eba.36.1219783053930; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:37:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: from edgy ( [68.163.243.165]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 7sm6863774eyb.1.2008.08.26.13.37.32 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 26 Aug 2008 13:37:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 16:37:29 -0400 From: Christopher Moore To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080826203727.GA6313@edgy> References: <0K6400GAR9KA1QL0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825122802.GA11100@sonata.rednote.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080825122802.GA11100@sonata.rednote.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.17+20080114 (2008-01-14) Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing up a computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 20:45:16 -0000 How about part-image Chris On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 08:28:02AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that > has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar > and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. > > mike writes: > > Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. > > There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? > > Thanks Mike. > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From christian08@runbox.com Tue Aug 26 21:33:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA687750548 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:33:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.103 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.103 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.303, BAYES_00=-2.599, SUBJ_RE_NUM=2.799] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 4192 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 8Dqo32FjCcnL for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:33:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DB69175010E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:31:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KY68a-0004Ab-Cs; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:40 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KY68a-00040D-2K; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:40 +0200 Message-ID: <200808262331400515.00036F55@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <20080826203727.GA6313@edgy> References: <0K6400GAR9KA1QL0@vms046.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825122802.GA11100@sonata.rednote.net> <20080826203727.GA6313@edgy> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:31:40 +0200 From: "Christian" To: chris.w1gm@gmail.com, orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing up a computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:33:40 -0000 Hi, I have used partimage myself and it works fine. You have to run it as root. sudo apt-get isntall partimage sudo partimage All the best, Christian On 2008-08-26 at 16:37 Christopher Moore wrote: >How about part-image >Chris >On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 08:28:02AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: >> You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that >> has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar >> and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. >> >> mike writes: >> > Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works >with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. >> > There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing >tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost >or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that >works with Orca? >> > Thanks Mike. >> > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message >> > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Orca-list mailing list >> > Orca-list@gnome.org >> > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> -- >> >> Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org >> Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com >> >> Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and >Canada >> Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com >> >> Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org >> Linux Foundation http://a11y.org >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From rexxe@tutopia.com Tue Aug 26 21:52:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 93C5C750088 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:52:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: YES X-Spam-Score: 2.013 X-Spam-Level: ** X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=2.013 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, FAKE_REPLY_C=2.012] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (NAT!) (up: 5527 hrs), (distance 15, link: GPRS, T1, FreeS/WAN), [190.60.24.75] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id c-VlET7-H-AH for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:52:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from tutopia.com (mail05mass.ifxnetworks.com [190.60.24.75]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 70A27750106 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:52:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 29903 invoked from network); 26 Aug 2008 21:52:07 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO seventhson) (rexxe@tutopia.com@[190.161.225.139]) (envelope-sender ) by mail05mass.ifxnetworks.com (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 26 Aug 2008 21:52:01 -0000 Message-ID: <119FEAB0C8BE4C218F52507CB4EF131F@seventhson> From: "mk360" To: Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 17:52:00 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=response Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] I'm having trouble getting orca to read the shut downmenu X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 21:52:18 -0000 Don't know, but I'm having the same problem. ----- Original Message ----- From: "mike" To: "orca" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 12:30 PM Subject: [orca-list] I'm having trouble getting orca to read the shut downmenu > > > Hi, the shut down menu in ubuntu intrepid is not accessible with Orca. Is > this a known problem? > Mike. >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> > From crystallogic@ca.inter.net Tue Aug 26 22:23:27 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8637275010E for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:23:27 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4316 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [216.113.194.206] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id tSp4AaeJMX4l for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:23:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca (smtp-relay2h.uniserve.ca [216.113.194.206]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 455BD750158 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:23:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ip-10.83.126.206.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net ([206.126.83.10] helo=winblows) by smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KY6wZ-0001xN-7J for Orca-list@gnome.org; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:23:19 -0700 Message-ID: <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> From: "JM & Angel" To: References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:23:10 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 0.0 0 (/) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (0.0 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Subject: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:23:27 -0000 Hello everyone, I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I find that Linux works well for me. A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit and doesn't have to be killed). I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It can't really be this slow for everyone can it? Regards, JM From i.am.farhan@gmail.com Tue Aug 26 23:58:02 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 86793750080 for ; Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:58:02 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(v3.0.1.33) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> To: "JM & Angel" In-Reply-To: <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Farhan Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Farhan List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2008 23:58:02 -0000 Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx machine. I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a programmer so I have know clue about such things. When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as with using it with gnome-speech. I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter all these unresponsive problems. On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said Hello everyone, I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I find that Linux works well for me. A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit and doesn't have to be killed). I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It can't really be this slow for everyone can it? Regards, JM _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From christian08@runbox.com Wed Aug 27 10:11:18 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E148750030 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:18 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.065 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.065 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=-1.342, BAYES_00=-2.599, SUBJ_RE_NUM=2.799, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 4318 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Et3BUkSx3YLa for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 62365750078 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:10 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.160] (helo=penny.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KYHzV-0005UP-U9; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:11:06 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by penny.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KYHzV-00014z-B1; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:11:05 +0200 Message-ID: <200808271211050984.000B39D7@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:11:05 +0200 From: "Christian" To: i.am.Farhan@gmail.com, crystallogic@ca.inter.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:11:18 -0000 Hi, I am using the latest svn trunk of Orca and Ubuntu Hardy and I haven't had= these unresponsive problems you are describing. I have used Orca with both Gnome-speech and Espeak and now I am using it= with Speech-dispatcher and IBMTTS and BRLTTY and it's working fine. However, I've had some cases where Orca has been slow when using Firefox= when loading some web pages, but that's all. All the best, Christian On 2008-08-26 at 18:57 Farhan wrote: >Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but >I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx >machine. >I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? >I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great >project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I >am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can >finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. >Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a >programmer so I have know clue about such things. >When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as >with using it with gnome-speech. >I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter >all these unresponsive problems. > >On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said >Hello everyone, > >I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the >comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm >pretty >new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell= >in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with >the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and >have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I >could >tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I= >find that Linux works well for me. > >A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished >machine >and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running >in >the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed >that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to= >512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the >OS >runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One >odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have >both >key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an= >URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never >speaks >until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some >slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it >was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and >being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. > >I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild= >about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make >this >just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca >seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. >I >might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my >partner >might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just= >freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to= >get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me >quit >and doesn't have to be killed). > >I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in >particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as >I'd >like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the >windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess >at >this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for= >me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It >can't really be this slow for everyone can it? > >Regards, >JM > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 12:50:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 72127750145 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:50:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mXV-Jwsh7oUZ for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:50:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8960F75041D for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:47:51 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RClnB2010715 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:47:49 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900401FF9BG00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K69008CKFJP8IE0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 06:47:49 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:47:48 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <87y72pqfcz.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Milan Zamazal Message-id: <1219841268.28884.26.camel@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> <87y72pqfcz.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:50:41 -0000 Hi Milan: > AL> You can use an ARIA property in XUL, but whether or not Orca or > AL> any other screen reader will recognize that and process it is > AL> another question. You can try it. > > Good idea :-). I tried and it doesn't work unless I did anything wrong. > > BTW, when playing with live regions and Orca I don't understand one > thing: Live region contents are read by Orca when they are changed in > timers. But when I bind the same text changing function to a "button" > (i.e. to an onclick attribute of an HTML element), the change is not > spoken when the button is pressed (and the text changed accordingly), > even when aria-live="rude", and it's not present in the live region > history (Orca+F1). > > Is it intended behavior or do I do anything wrong? If the latter, is > there a working example (from the point of view of Orca reading) of a > live region which is changed as a result of a user action? There might be a bug somewhere in the Orca code. You might try two things to determine more about what your application is emitting for events: 1) Run accerciser and monitor all the events from Firefox to see what happens when you perform the user action above. 2) Enable full debugging in Orca (http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Debugging) and see what events it is getting when you perform the user action above. If appropriate events are being delivered, we can take a look in Orca to see why it isn't presenting the region. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 13:33:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9961F750194 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.31] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id wbla89rlP61J for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-1.sun.com (brmea-mail-1.Sun.COM [192.18.98.31]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8075675010A for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-1.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RDXItn025008 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:18 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900M01HFU3G00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for Orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:33:18 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6900NCSHN41A20@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:33:04 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 09:33:03 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Farhan Message-id: <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:33:31 -0000 When I see things like 'refurbished machine' and 256MB of RAM, it makes me wonder if the hardware in use is perhaps part of the issue. What are the specs of the hardware being used? Will On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:57 -0500, Farhan wrote: > Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx machine. > I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? > I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. > Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a programmer so I have know clue about such things. > When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as with using it with gnome-speech. > I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter all these unresponsive problems. > > On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said > Hello everyone, > > I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the > comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty > new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell > in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with > the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and > have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could > tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I > find that Linux works well for me. > > A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine > and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in > the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed > that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to > 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS > runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One > odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both > key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an > URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks > until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some > slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it > was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and > being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. > > I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild > about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this > just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca > seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I > might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner > might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just > freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to > get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit > and doesn't have to be killed). > > I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in > particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd > like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the > windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at > this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for > me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It > can't really be this slow for everyone can it? > > Regards, > JM > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 27 13:53:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1A85F7500B6 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:53:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.307 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.307 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3907 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.225] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Se06OUW0NT2X for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:52:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe16.swip.net [212.247.155.225]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 406177500F3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:52:45 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=Oo-5zqLqzLkA:10 a=xAgtKLP06KAA:10 a=GjFeL6UWAHx9N+A1uhLsZA==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=qb_HW8r00bTSBDxa9QYA:9 a=e17TdqjmeEwgIq2tNvIA:7 a=Bp7MG9Asum2wKpHqY_uw0VqHTHcA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=gi0PWCVxevcA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe16.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 313449974 for Orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:52:43 +0200 From: "mattias" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:52:41 +0200 Message-ID: <7B1967855DDE4E54B4A2A6702B0B2FE8@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:53:01 -0000 I can't agree Orca are not slow Ok it are slow with espeak but not with festival -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r Farhan Skickat: den 27 augusti 2008 01:58 Till: JM & Angel Kopia: Orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx machine. I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a programmer so I have know clue about such things. When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as with using it with gnome-speech. I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter all these unresponsive problems. On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said Hello everyone, I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the=20 comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty=20 new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell=20 in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with=20 the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and=20 have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could=20 tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I=20 find that Linux works well for me. A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine=20 and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in=20 the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed=20 that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to=20 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS=20 runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One=20 odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both=20 key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an=20 URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks=20 until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some=20 slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it=20 was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and=20 being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild=20 about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this=20 just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca=20 seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I=20 might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner=20 might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just=20 freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to=20 get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit=20 and doesn't have to be killed). I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in=20 particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd=20 like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the=20 windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at=20 this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for=20 me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It=20 can't really be this slow for everyone can it? Regards, JM _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From joelgomezb@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 14:17:26 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EF3B3750628 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:17:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.407 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD=2.191] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id AZ3qEO7AKbTR for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:17:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3818B75080F for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:12:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so3744725gxk.15 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:12:25 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=Tp2phuXY9MsjVSbtDzUd2bwCNKSBkV+B+EFqF4hRtuA=; b=YE2s4LJadQIWrZekaQqWe5DdHwObPuKq05/AYKLYGV9v2xmz5d9+mMO56PsXkjNuhW 8hdNNp+v89EldYMVhLqWbsjS7gD7afvb3TxuSTTgJUKlVBdsJL4anU/xWraO/TKQVvfk lBLk5TUyjCTWwzDpn+1UiWkVPDSyVva/l5j0A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=uSPAT7r1fGfa5tIdLPyUq/HYloGHQyxFhI9zsPeyIFJMYWHlD3JMastI56EWYghRxf EcppVLP3Y6A5YMtqXTYWVJQ3bo9k7SHPzNtibDgN9ZRlXAzvBkCYR2LaxdZcFDeIBycP DK7Iq4ObAx0gFTLE0x6yzCbQayRKirxHddncE= Received: by 10.151.108.15 with SMTP id k15mr217420ybm.53.1219846344987; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.102.14 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 07:12:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:42:24 +1930 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joel_G=F3mez?=" To: mattias In-Reply-To: <1219774105.6203.3.camel@ubuntu> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_22981_6169095.1219846345001" References: <1219774105.6203.3.camel@ubuntu> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] debian X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:17:26 -0000 ------=_Part_22981_6169095.1219846345001 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline visit this wiki: www.mundoaccesible.org.ve We have information about installation of all tools accessibility in debian 2008/8/27 mattias > way use debian?? > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > -- http://joelgomezb.blogspot.com Linux User #435411 ------=_Part_22981_6169095.1219846345001 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
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------=_Part_22981_6169095.1219846345001-- From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 27 14:19:03 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8229E750239 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:19:03 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.294 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.294 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3908 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.129] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qtfk3R9ik7y3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:18:56 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe13.swip.net [212.247.155.129]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B14737505EE for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:14:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GjFeL6UWAHx9N+A1uhLsZA==:17 a=6HtPsEPFAAAA:8 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=sZX2MTtCAAAA:8 a=xg8GGSyOIV2X8Z6N5HEA:9 a=ALRuCTwU-Fiu6Ggs6_I-7oizFKkA:4 a=NWVoK91CQyQA:10 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=f-ADshzQSboA:10 a=P7CZevDj39yPEmA0O4kA:9 a=sbYrtYRcuFecXtb6xg0A:7 a=nlGhONpUsGnAvO9NFn4CxgmodM8A:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe13.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 664344973 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:14:41 +0200 From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:14:39 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90860.01FF21F0" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Subject: Re: [orca-list] debian X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:19:03 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90860.01FF21F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable sorry i can't spanish -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Joel G=F3mez [mailto:joelgomezb@gmail.com]=20 Skickat: den 27 augusti 2008 16:12 Till: mattias Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] debian visit this wiki: www.mundoaccesible.org.ve We have information about installation of all tools accessibility in debian 2008/8/27 mattias way use debian?? _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=20 http://joelgomezb.blogspot.com Linux User #435411 ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90860.01FF21F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
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------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90860.01FF21F0-- From i.am.farhan@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 15:51:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 02C7D75074E for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:51:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 1526 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [64.233.184.225] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ECP3EDvHB3SW for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:51:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wr-out-0506.google.com (wr-out-0506.google.com [64.233.184.225]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8526575079F for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:47:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wr-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id c8so1600548wra.27 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:date:x-mailer:reply-to :x-priority:message-id:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:from; bh=7yDQRDeNj324ZiA9BLoz8VDti6+L0mA8e2EON8TZP2M=; b=ZAuiW0ZuAW8yQzkbGv5B5BdPA24iS+96BeiKak6Sk9JGiigyY/fCE1S1cWYBkBa4PW TKyJkPU7lv+n7GrgOFT+ZJfC95F2Wb5fcjn6V7GpTBGqIO5sZviKjFcqfXQwrwxInElq Ext5Q0/S1w5e0AeHOvbXyvjC6Zo15DFXHXL2Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=date:x-mailer:reply-to:x-priority:message-id:to:cc:subject :in-reply-to:references:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:from; b=xmXTN0w5SR0AXZHJysSbbzVgcX5QPItxvJ9T6QU8jxU7yBkWglnHWvYRUd6xME7HJK m5RnEi+KEs0VH8Z6WB059owcJOzuuCea0tpdCytihcs8HTH9YF9koSqWqzamepGguSCa qEEemY2nnvuea8lKruhrs887KTPI8eUWi9xGw= Received: by 10.90.101.17 with SMTP id y17mr134630agb.9.1219852059046; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:47:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from bellfast.chn.comcast.net ( [69.247.147.243]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 3sm5927795hsw.16.2008.08.27.08.47.36 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:47:37 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:47:35 -0500 X-Mailer: The Bat! (v3.0.1.33) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> To: Willie Walker In-Reply-To: <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Farhan Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Farhan List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:51:49 -0000 hp nx 6325 amd turion 64 bit tl 52 1.66 ghz with 1.5 gigs of ram. if you can come up with some suggestions it'd be much appriciated. On 8/27/2008 at 10:46 Willie Walker said When I see things like 'refurbished machine' and 256MB of RAM, it makes me wonder if the hardware in use is perhaps part of the issue. What are the specs of the hardware being used? Will On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:57 -0500, Farhan wrote: > Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx machine. > I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? > I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. > Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a programmer so I have know clue about such things. > When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as with using it with gnome-speech. > I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter all these unresponsive problems. > > On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said > Hello everyone, > > I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the > comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty > new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell > in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with > the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and > have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could > tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I > find that Linux works well for me. > > A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine > and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in > the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed > that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to > 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS > runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One > odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both > key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an > URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks > until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some > slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it > was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and > being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. > > I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild > about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this > just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca > seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I > might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner > might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just > freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to > get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit > and doesn't have to be killed). > > I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in > particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd > like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the > windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at > this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for > me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It > can't really be this slow for everyone can it? > > Regards, > JM > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From metalhead1009000@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 16:01:04 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8F5E75064C for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:01:04 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id d21sm12335791and.0.2008.08.27.08.56.47 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 08:56:48 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B5793B.8070007@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:56:43 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080821045339) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Christian References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <200808271211050984.000B39D7@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <200808271211050984.000B39D7@127.0.0.1> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: i.am.Farhan@gmail.com, Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:01:05 -0000 I've noticed some of this. Some of it I think has to do with atspi while some of it is to do with gnome speech. I'm told that it is faster on the daily builds of ubuntu intrepid but haven't tested. Mike From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 18:00:05 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91F4F7500A6 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:00:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id RsEupGDkuPcc for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 92CFC7500F3 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RHxojF003477 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 17:59:50 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900D01TKXC800@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for Orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:59:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K69008Z6TZMTSG0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 11:59:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:58:09 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Farhan Message-id: <48B595B1.4080900@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:00:07 -0000 That seems like a pretty decent machine. So...I guess the next thing to do is get more specific about where you are experiencing sluggishness, and more about your specific environment (e.g., speech synthesis engine, applications you are using, how you are interacting with them, etc.). Can you describe these further? Will Farhan wrote: > hp nx 6325 > amd turion 64 bit tl 52 > 1.66 ghz with 1.5 gigs of ram. > if you can come up with some suggestions it'd be much appriciated. > On 8/27/2008 at 10:46 Willie Walker said > When I see things like 'refurbished machine' and 256MB of RAM, it makes > me wonder if the hardware in use is perhaps part of the issue. What are > the specs of the hardware being used? > > Will > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:57 -0500, Farhan wrote: >> Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx machine. >> I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? >> I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. >> Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a programmer so I have know clue about such things. >> When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as with using it with gnome-speech. >> I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter all these unresponsive problems. >> >> On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said >> Hello everyone, >> >> I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the >> comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty >> new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell >> in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with >> the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and >> have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could >> tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I >> find that Linux works well for me. >> >> A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine >> and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in >> the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed >> that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to >> 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS >> runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One >> odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both >> key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an >> URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks >> until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some >> slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it >> was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and >> being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. >> >> I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild >> about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this >> just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca >> seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I >> might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner >> might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just >> freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to >> get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit >> and doesn't have to be killed). >> >> I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in >> particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd >> like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the >> windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at >> this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for >> me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It >> can't really be this slow for everyone can it? >> >> Regards, >> JM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 18:27:01 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2226750083 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:27:01 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9CAOFW5ynEzJ for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:26:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8B7497500B9 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:26:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RIQqGd017372 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:26:52 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900801UH3FS00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for Orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:26:52 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K69009DHV8PP890@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:26:50 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:25:12 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <1219780131.16646.4.camel@boy-desktop> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Milton Message-id: <48B59C08.7090803@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219780131.16646.4.camel@boy-desktop> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] thank you X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:27:01 -0000 Thanks Milton! Welcome to the list! Will Milton wrote: > Hello Orca developpers, > > This is my first e-mail with Evolution. I am still new with Ubuntu and > Orca. I just want to say, thank you so much for all the work you are > doing! > > Best wishes, > Milton > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 18:33:23 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08FD6750196 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:33:23 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_GT=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.43] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gTpI0Dh9BELm for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:33:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-2.sun.com (brmea-mail-2.Sun.COM [192.18.98.43]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C07D1750083 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:33:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-2.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RIX3tg020417 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:33:03 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900801UH3FS00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K69000CEVJ2JX90@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:33:03 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 14:31:25 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48B3CBCE.3070701@googlemail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: demetry82@googlemail.com Message-id: <48B59D7D.6090509@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48B3CBCE.3070701@googlemail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: Orca List Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca and the line numbers X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:33:23 -0000 Hi Demetry: I think there might be a bug in the gedit application (or perhaps more correctly, the gtksourceview component that gedit uses) in that the line numbers does not appear to be exposed via the AT-SPI. :-( Please log a bug against the gtksourceview component to get this fixed. The line number information is displayed in the status bar, however, which you can get Orca to present via 2 presses of the Insert+KP_Enter in the desktop mode. Will Demetry wrote: > Hi, > > When I switched the line numbers on the option in the settings panel > from text editor, Orca doesn't read the line number information. Is > there still a bug in Orca? > > Demetry > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From milton@tomaatnet.nl Wed Aug 27 19:03:55 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id DBAC9750030 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:03:55 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11806 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.97] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0vFwEIX25qEV for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:03:50 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.versatel.nl (smtp6.versatel.nl [62.58.50.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 956FF7500CB for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:03:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 32064 invoked by uid 0); 27 Aug 2008 19:03:39 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO [192.168.1.8]) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp6.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 27 Aug 2008 19:03:39 -0000 From: Milton To: Hermann In-Reply-To: <48B46371.90206@onlinehome.de> References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <48B46371.90206@onlinehome.de> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:03:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1219863818.6141.2.camel@boy-desktop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] OO and ORC X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:03:56 -0000 Hello Herman Thanks for the tips. I will try it out. Milton Op dinsdag 26-08-2008 om 22:11 uur [tijdzone +0200], schreef Hermann: > On 26.08.2008 21:56, Milton wrote: > > Hello List, > > > > Is there an accessible OCR program with Orca? I tried to put text on my > > screen from a scanner. My system contains Ubuntu 8.04.1 and Orca 2.23.6. > > I tried in OpenOffice to import from the scanner but it only import the > > text as an image. > > Ubuntu comes with no OCR. You might try out Tesseract, but it is a text > based program, and it needs sane and sane-utils installed. > Teh configuration cannot be described in general, because it depends on > your scanner. > Note: The results cannot compete with those of sophisticated Windows > OCRs, such as Finereader or Omnipage. > Hermann > From i.am.farhan@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 19:06:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E56750194 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:06:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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(v3.0.1.33) Professional X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1706427181.20080827140536@gmail.com> To: Willie Walker In-Reply-To: <48B595B1.4080900@sun.com> References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> <48B595B1.4080900@sun.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Farhan Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: Farhan List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:06:16 -0000 hello, i'm using espeak with speech-dispatcher and I can also use espeak with gnome-speech. I'm really not sure what the problem is but when I am using orca with espeak it just doesn't run as smooth as when I use somehting like dectalk for example. I think the biggest problem I am having is in gnome-terminal, when I press a keyboard command for example using flatreivew to read up and down the screen if I hit the bottom of the screen to fast orca just keeps repeating the last statement over and over again, I don't know, maybe i just am trying to go to fast? Maybe someone else can explain the simular simtoms further. On 8/27/2008 at 14:00 Willie Walker said That seems like a pretty decent machine. So...I guess the next thing to do is get more specific about where you are experiencing sluggishness, and more about your specific environment (e.g., speech synthesis engine, applications you are using, how you are interacting with them, etc.). Can you describe these further? Will Farhan wrote: > hp nx 6325 > amd turion 64 bit tl 52 > 1.66 ghz with 1.5 gigs of ram. > if you can come up with some suggestions it'd be much appriciated. > On 8/27/2008 at 10:46 Willie Walker said > When I see things like 'refurbished machine' and 256MB of RAM, it makes > me wonder if the hardware in use is perhaps part of the issue. What are > the specs of the hardware being used? > > Will > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:57 -0500, Farhan wrote: >> Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx machine. >> I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? >> I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. >> Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a programmer so I have know clue about such things. >> When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as with using it with gnome-speech. >> I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter all these unresponsive problems. >> >> On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said >> Hello everyone, >> >> I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the >> comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm pretty >> new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a shell >> in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with >> the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and >> have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I could >> tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if I >> find that Linux works well for me. >> >> A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished machine >> and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running in >> the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed >> that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded to >> 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the OS >> runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One >> odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have both >> key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering an >> URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never speaks >> until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some >> slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it >> was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and >> being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. >> >> I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from wild >> about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make this >> just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca >> seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. I >> might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my partner >> might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca just >> freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order to >> get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me quit >> and doesn't have to be killed). >> >> I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in >> particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as I'd >> like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the >> windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess at >> this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions for >> me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It >> can't really be this slow for everyone can it? >> >> Regards, >> JM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 19:11:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 59A2B750203 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:11:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.36] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3h8v4HUhJqdk for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:11:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-4.sun.com (brmea-mail-4.Sun.COM [192.18.98.36]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1968275019E for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:10:52 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-4.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RJAoHF016213 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:10:50 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900I01VRKHU00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:10:50 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6900DH5X9Y7300@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:10:47 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:09:09 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: "Mgr. Janusz Chmiel" Message-id: <48B5A655.5060206@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219325937.4780.0.camel@ubuntu> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Openoffice ORG Writer and misspelled words marked by red color related question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:11:41 -0000 Hi Janusz: > Do Openoffice ORG Writer support function mark misspelled word by > highlighting those words by red color? Or this feature is not awailable > even for sighted users, so function from tools menu must be recalled to > check document for misspelled words? The OpenOffice developers are currently in the process of exposing this information to assistive technologies via the AT-SPI. I suspect it will not be done for the OOo 3.0 release, but hopefully one soon after that. Once that happens, we can look to provide support for it in Orca. Will From William.Walker@Sun.COM Wed Aug 27 19:15:39 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3FBFB75010A for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:39 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rJwqSmTgzkGA for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9534175016C for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:14:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-09.sun.com ([192.18.109.79]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7RJEcBV027626 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:14:38 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6900I01VRKHU00@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:14:38 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.103] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6900DLSXG97320@mail-amer.sun.com>; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 13:14:34 -0600 (MDT) Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:12:56 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48AA589E.9030703@gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Robert Spangler Message-id: <48B5A738.1020105@sun.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <48AA589E.9030703@gmail.com> User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080811) Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Open Office X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:15:39 -0000 Hi Robert: We noticed some interesting changes in the OOo 3.0 m29 development release and we're working to see what we can do to handle them. So, you might be running into those things. :-( Hopefully we'll have something by the end of the week. Will Robert Spangler wrote: > Hello all, > > First, it seems as if the dialog prompting to save changes when exiting > Open Office Writer is not automatically spoken. > > Second, is anyone noticing when arrowing through a document that the > beginning of a line is announced twice? It's almost as if it studders > for a split second at the beginning of every line. This is with Open > Office 3.0 devel - I don't believe I experienced this with the 2.4 > stable version. It does not studder on blank lines; the word "blank" is > said normally. > > Thanks, > Robby > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From marco.zehe@googlemail.com Wed Aug 27 19:23:16 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 47354750196 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:23:16 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [82.83.81.122]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l12sm183559fgb.6.2008.08.27.12.23.04 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 12:23:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B5A996.4000601@googlemail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:23:02 +0200 From: Marco Zehe User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080819031251) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] WebVisum had to switch to an invitation-based registration system X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:23:16 -0000 Hi all! My blog has all the details and possibilities to get an invitation if you don't have one: http://www.marcozehe.de/2008/08/27/webvisum-had-to-switch-to-an-invitational-registration-system-i-can-give-out-invites/ Marco From juliochg@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 19:34:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C8665750146 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:34:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.33 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.33 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD=2.191, TW_DP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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Hi

you dont need compile that, you cant dowload de = lates version to orca in .deb, for example  download that package http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-orca/g= nome-orca_2.23.90-1_all.deb

and install ths form dpk -i gnome-orca

Best regards

2008/8/20 mattias <mj@mjw.se>
I try to compile the latest orca
But the initools or something are to old...
Ubuntu 8.04

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------=_Part_19793_15004289.1219865668520-- From juliochg@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 19:40:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2C65B7500D9 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:40:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.407 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD=2.191] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:40:24 -0000 ------=_Part_19886_1884120.1219866011977 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Hi yo hace a problem wiht orca because that version is so experimental, yo cant download for tha url http://descargas.tiflolinux.org/isos/tiflobuntu/tiflobuntu.iso that y a linux distribution accesibility, yo cant used that. the problem of orca, yo cant used that like root this is for remove and purge aptitude purge gnome-orca and that is for install new aptitude install gnome-orca anothe option you cant used is orca -t this is a confogiration in text 2008/8/21 Hrvoje Katic > Hi all, > > I'm writing for the first time so I'd like to introduce myself first. I a= m > Hrvoje from Europe/Croatia, I am 21 years old and I am a low vision perso= n. > I have experience with various Windows versions, and I also tryed Ubuntu > since 6.10 release. > > So here's my problem. Yesterday I downloaded Ubuntu 8.04.1 from Ubuntu We= b > site, however I've got some problems. > > So I tryed to install Ubuntu 8.04.1 on my NEC laptop with 512 MB of RAM, > Intel Pentium 1.86 GHZ processor, Intel Mobile graphics card, Conexant AC > Link Audio sound card. So I bought some blank CDs and burned Hardy on one= of > them. Ok, it boots well, I choose english by pressing Enter, then I down > arrow to install, I press F5 then 3 for Orca, then Enter twice. However, > with my little vision I can see that the installation screen shows up, bu= t > Orca doesn't launch, because there's no speech output nor Orca's window. = I > tryed it a lot of times without any chance. Then I tryed the old method > using the Ubiquity script, however when I type in > sudo su > orca --no-setup --disable main-window > Orca then starts and says "welcome to Orca" > However after I type > ubiquity > the installer screen shows up but Orca wont speak! I thought it was fixed > in final release, and I'm even using 8.04.1, not 8.04! So I really don't > have an idea why this didn't work, since on my another PC (AMD Sempron > 2600+, 1.61 GHZ, 512 MB of RAM) it works fine and orca starts speaking wh= en > I boot with the installer. I previously tryed older versions of Ubuntu (7= .04 > and 7.10) on the same Laptop and everything worked as expected, however i= n > current 8.04.1 release, Orca doesn't launch or work with the installer li= ke > before. O yeah, and also I'd like to note that I had the same problem bef= ore > on my PC as well, but only with 8.04 release. With 8.04.1 it works on my = PC > as I said above. > I have no idea is this problem with my laptop configuration, or simply a > bug in Ubuntu. So please help! > > Regards > Hrvoje > > MSN: hrkatic@hotmail.com > Skype: hrvojekatic > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > --=20 Julio Cesar Hernandez Garci=ADa Usuario GNU/Linux N=BA 393364 Usando Debian Lenny- Kernel 2.6.22-3 Finger Print =3D D78C F330 B045 9A3B 56F8 6212 54EB BA87 5EB5 CF0F ------=_Part_19886_1884120.1219866011977 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
Hi yo hace a problem wiht orca because that version is so = experimental,  yo cant download for tha url http://descargas.tiflolinu= x.org/isos/tiflobuntu/tiflobuntu.iso   that y a linux distrib= ution accesibility, yo cant used that.

the problem of orca, yo cant used that
like root
this is for remo= ve and purge
aptitude purge gnome-orca

and that is for install ne= w
aptitude install gnome-orca


anothe option you cant used is = orca -t
this is a confogiration in text

2008/8/21= Hrvoje Katic <hrvojekatic@gmail.com>
Hi all,

I'm writing for the first time so I'd like to introduce myself firs= t. I am Hrvoje from Europe/Croatia, I am 21 years old and I am a low vision= person. I have experience with various Windows versions, and I also tryed = Ubuntu since 6.10 release.

So here's my problem. Yesterday I downloaded Ubuntu 8.04.1 from Ubuntu = Web site, however I've got some problems.

So I tryed to install Ubuntu 8.04.1 on my NEC laptop with 512 MB of RAM, In= tel Pentium 1.86 GHZ processor, Intel Mobile graphics card, Conexant AC Lin= k Audio sound card. So I bought some blank CDs and burned Hardy on one of t= hem. Ok, it boots well, I choose english by pressing Enter, then I down arr= ow to install, I press F5 then 3 for Orca, then Enter twice. However, with = my little vision I can see that the installation screen shows up, but Orca = doesn't launch, because there's no speech output nor Orca's win= dow. I tryed it a lot of times without any chance. Then I tryed the old met= hod using the Ubiquity script, however when I type in
sudo su
orca --no-setup --disable main-window
Orca then starts and says "welcome to Orca"
However after I type
ubiquity
the installer screen shows up but Orca wont speak! I thought it was fixed i= n final release, and I'm even using 8.04.1, not 8.04! So I really don&#= 39;t have an idea why this didn't work, since on my another PC (AMD Sem= pron 2600+, 1.61 GHZ, 512 MB of RAM) it works fine and orca starts speaking= when I boot with the installer. I previously tryed older versions of Ubunt= u (7.04 and 7.10) on the same Laptop and everything worked as expected, how= ever in current 8.04.1 release, Orca doesn't launch or work with the in= staller like before. O yeah, and also I'd like to note that I had the s= ame problem before on my PC as well, but only with 8.04 release. With 8.04.= 1 it works on my PC as I said above.
I have no idea is this problem with my laptop configuration, or simply a bu= g in Ubuntu. So please help!

Regards
Hrvoje

MSN: hrkatic@hotma= il.com
Skype: hrvojekatic

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Orca-list@gnome.or= g
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------=_Part_19886_1884120.1219866011977-- From mj@mjw.se Wed Aug 27 20:00:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6E50750080 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:00:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.371 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.371 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, MISSING_HEADERS=1.292, TW_DP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3917 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.97] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Ep1vwCTuiGI7 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:00:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe04.swip.net [212.247.154.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7583E750095 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:00:25 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=e8lkfU09Ox05mpukeUx67Q==:17 a=xNf9USuDAAAA:8 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=ILCNvstptSBrJ03MeiYA:9 a=qrnVGFPyyDsly4f8Ztu8oqu5bTQA:4 a=MSl-tDqOz04A:10 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=f-ADshzQSboA:10 a=2EQR2cgYAJDfc6GpooUA:9 a=5_p2pV4qTtTFmC8yaKAA:7 a=G9gWAj4aCWuvDeygEg6NrCoObOsA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Received: from [85.226.23.33] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe04.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1053647986 for orca-list@gnome.org; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:00:23 +0200 From: "mattias" Cc: Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:00:12 +0200 Message-ID: <98FF153065804217B219E5DBC3E36FDA@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90890.4D633570" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <33cdfe0c0808271234n694ce200g439c38d5f518512b@mail.gmail.com> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] Latest orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:00:31 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90890.4D633570 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable solved for a long time or are the list verry slow =20 -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: Julio Cesar Hernandez Garcia [mailto:juliochg@gmail.com]=20 Skickat: den 27 augusti 2008 21:34 Till: mattias Kopia: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Latest orca Hi you dont need compile that, you cant dowload de lates version to orca in .deb, for example download that package http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-orca/gnome-orca_2.23. 90-1_all.deb and install ths form dpk -i gnome-orca Best regards=20 2008/8/20 mattias I try to compile the latest orca But the initools or something are to old... Ubuntu 8.04 _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca --=20 Julio Cesar Hernandez Garci=ADa Usuario GNU/Linux N=BA 393364 Usando Debian Lenny- Kernel 2.6.22-3 Finger Print =3D D78C F330 B045 9A3B 56F8 6212 54EB BA87 5EB5 CF0F ------=_NextPart_000_0002_01C90890.4D633570 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
solved=20 for a long time
or are=20 the list verry slow
 
-----Ursprungligt meddelande-----
Fr=E5n: Julio = Cesar Hernandez=20 Garcia [mailto:juliochg@gmail.com]
Skickat: den 27 augusti = 2008=20 21:34
Till: mattias
Kopia:=20 orca-list@gnome.org
=C4mne: Re: [orca-list] Latest=20 orca

Hi

you dont need compile that, you cant dowload = de lates=20 version to orca in .deb, for example  download that package http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-o= rca/gnome-orca_2.23.90-1_all.deb

and=20 install ths form dpk -i gnome-orca

Best regards

2008/8/20 mattias <mj@mjw.se>
I=20 try to compile the latest orca
But the initools or something are = to=20 old...
Ubuntu=20 = 8.04

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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:01:19 -0000 On 8/26/08, Milan Zamazal wrote: >>>>>> "JA" == Josh Andrews writes: > > JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome terminal and > JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"? Thanks, > > apt-get install gnome-orca > > Please note that: > > - This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or > experimental. > > - `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related to > accessibility. > > Regards, > > Milan Zamazal > If Orca is not available in Egi, what Debian package is it available in? 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 20:10:51 -0000 ------=_Part_20160_9964407.1219867841024 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline You cant ask that for developers off ubuntu but the lates version in debian experimental, you cant download that link http://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-orca/gnome-orca_2.23.90-= 1_all.deb 2008/8/28 Josh Andrews > On 8/26/08, Milan Zamazal wrote: > >>>>>> "JA" =3D=3D Josh Andrews writes: > > > > JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnome terminal and > > JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"? Thanks, > > > > apt-get install gnome-orca > > > > Please note that: > > > > - This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or > > experimental. > > > > - `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related to > > accessibility. > > > > Regards, > > > > Milan Zamazal > > > If Orca is not available in Egi, what Debian package is it available in? > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > --=20 Julio Cesar Hernandez Garci=ADa Usuario GNU/Linux N=BA 393364 Usando Debian Lenny- Kernel 2.6.22-3 Finger Print =3D D78C F330 B045 9A3B 56F8 6212 54EB BA87 5EB5 CF0F ------=_Part_20160_9964407.1219867841024 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
You cant ask  that for developers off ubuntu

b= ut the lates version in debian experimental, you cant download that linkhttp://http.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnome-o= rca/gnome-orca_2.23.90-1_all.deb

2008/8/28 Josh Andrews <= ;whistlenut@gmail.com>
On 8/26/08, Milan Zamazal <pdm@brailcom.org> wrote:
>>>>>> "JA" =3D=3D Josh Andrews <whistlenut@gmail.com> writes:
>
>     JA> If not, can it be obtained by going into the gnom= e terminal and
>     JA> typing "aptget -install Orca"?  Th= anks,
>
> apt-get install gnome-orca
>
> Please note that:
>
> - This package is not available in etch, look at testing, unstable or<= br> >   experimental.
>
> - `orca' package used to be another piece of software, not related= to
>   accessibility.
>
> Regards,
>
> Milan Zamazal
>
If Orca is not available in Egi, what Debian package is it available = in?
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------=_Part_20160_9964407.1219867841024-- From crystallogic@ca.inter.net Wed Aug 27 22:31:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BF1875000B for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:31:47 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.184 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.184 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 4558 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [216.113.194.204] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Kfxa4+mzIneQ for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:31:38 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca (smtp-relay2f.uniserve.ca [216.113.194.204]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 065AE750080 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:31:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ip-76.57.99.216.dsl-cust.ca.inter.net ([216.99.57.76] helo=winblows) by smtp-relay2.uniserve.ca with smtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KYTY7-0000kk-8S; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 15:31:35 -0700 Message-ID: <004801c90894$a9a71050$6502a8c0@winblows> From: "JM & Angel" To: "Willie Walker" , "Farhan" References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:31:34 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Scanner: OK. Scanned. X-Uniserve-Spam-Score: 0.0 0 (/) X-Uniserve-Spam-Report: Content analysis details: (0.0 points) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 22:31:48 -0000 Hello, Thanks for the replies. I did forget to mention that I was using the Gnome Speech driver. The machine is a 1.2GHZ P4, and the memory is some of that weird Rambus stuff that you can hardly get anymore. I believe the video card is an Nvidia GeForce2 and audio is provided by a Creative Labs Soundblast Live card. As for when this seems to happen, so far I haven't been able to detect any kind of pattern, though I do notice the sluggish behaviour most often when in FIrefox, I suppose because I must arrow through the webpages and so I spend a lot of time waiting for Orca to start speaking. I haven't really had the patience to try a great many things yet, but I'm hoping to tonight. The random Orca freezes don't seem to have a pattern to them that I can see, either. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Willie Walker" To: "Farhan" Cc: "JM & Angel" ; Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:33 AM Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions > When I see things like 'refurbished machine' and 256MB of RAM, it makes > me wonder if the hardware in use is perhaps part of the issue. What are > the specs of the hardware being used? > > Will > > On Tue, 2008-08-26 at 18:57 -0500, Farhan wrote: >> Hello, I agree with everything you've said so far. espeak is alright, but >> I agree that orca is rather sluggish compared to a windows or mac osx >> machine. >> I am also wonder how do people use orca everyday with this sluggishness? >> I'm not bagging on the orca developers, because I think orca is a great >> project, and it has made great strides in the accessibleness of LInux, I >> am or have been waiting for orca to be as responsive as Windows so I can >> finally switch and this is making me rather frustrated. >> Is the responsiveness of orca do to the python code being used? I'm not a >> programmer so I have know clue about such things. >> When using orca with speech-dispatcher and espeak, its just as slow as >> with using it with gnome-speech. >> I wonder if most people are using orca with braille and do not encounter >> all these unresponsive problems. >> >> On 8/26/2008 at 18:53 JM & Angel said >> Hello everyone, >> >> I've been lurking on the list for a few weeks now, reading some of the >> comments, questions and so on as I try and get going with Linux. I'm >> pretty >> new to the operating system, having used it a little remotely from a >> shell >> in the 90s and learning a lot of basic file manipulation stuff along with >> the usual Internet programmes. I'm using Windows for most things now, and >> have wanted to get a machine and run Linux on it for a long time, so I >> could >> tinker and learn the OS; maybe even ditch Microsoft for the most part if >> I >> find that Linux works well for me. >> >> A really helpful and knowledgeable person got me a nice refurbished >> machine >> and installed Ubuntu 8.04 on it for me. She successfully got Orca running >> in >> the Gnome desktop, but after playing around with it for a while I noticed >> that the screenreader seemed very sluggish and unresponsive. I upgraded >> to >> 512 MB of ram from 256, thinking this might improve things, and while the >> OS >> runs quicker in general I still find Orca almost excruciating to use. One >> odd and possibly related thing I've noticed is that even though I have >> both >> key and word echo turned off, if I'm typing a document or even entering >> an >> URL, Orca seems to be trying to keep up with my keystrokes. It never >> speaks >> until I've typed several characters, at which point it spits out some >> slightly garbled version of what I've typed so far. At first I thought it >> was some weird software quirk, but I think, after typing a lot more and >> being quite distracted by this, that it can't be normal behaviour. >> >> I'm using the Espeak synthesiser at the moment .. definitely far from >> wild >> about it and I might be obtaining a Dectalk Express synth soon to make >> this >> just a little bit more manageable. Another thing I noticed is that Orca >> seems to "flake out" at seemingly random times without any justification. >> I >> might be browsing a page in firefox, or even in the terminal, or my >> partner >> might hit one of the mouse buttons to do something quickly, and orcca >> just >> freezes. The process still runs, but there's simply no speech. In order >> to >> get it working again I have to quit Orca and restart it (it will let me >> quit >> and doesn't have to be killed). >> >> I know that this isn't much to go on really, but the sluggishness in >> particular has kept me from really tinkering with my new box as much as >> I'd >> like. I have a lot to learn and right now am reading about Linux on the >> windows computer because it's so much faster and more responsive! I guess >> at >> this point I am just wondering if anybody has any ideas or suggestions >> for >> me. I've looked at the Orca FAQ, but I'm afraid I'm still at a loss. It >> can't really be this slow for everyone can it? >> >> Regards, >> JM >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 270.6.9/1635 - Release Date: 8/26/2008 > 7:29 AM > > From stormdragon2976@gmail.com Wed Aug 27 23:59:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CC657750083 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:59:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) 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( [137.118.219.244]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id i17sm419273wxd.8.2008.08.27.16.59.18 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 16:59:21 -0700 (PDT) From: Storm Dragon To: Orca-list Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=-/1bJkLEEXxbCC18fxt9E" Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:59:14 -0400 Message-Id: <1219881554.6287.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Subject: [orca-list] Slight Problem With Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 23:59:33 -0000 --=-/1bJkLEEXxbCC18fxt9E Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi, On some pages I keep getting a message that says something like "Firefox prevented this page from automatically reloading". Sometimes it "from redirecting to another page". I have to use flat review to go and click the allow button to get the page to do what it's supposed to do. The problem is, when I do the click with flat review, the focus is changed to where the button is and it takes a while to get back where I was. Is there any way to get Firefox to not automatically block reloads or redirects? Thanks Storm --=-/1bJkLEEXxbCC18fxt9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi,
On some pages I keep getting a message that says something like "Firefox prevented this page from automatically reloading".  Sometimes it "from redirecting to another page".  I have to use flat review to go and click the allow button to get the page to do what it's supposed to do.  The problem is, when I do the click with flat review, the focus is changed to where the button is and it takes a while to get back where I was.  Is there any way to get Firefox to not automatically block reloads or redirects?
Thanks
Storm
--=-/1bJkLEEXxbCC18fxt9E-- From joelgomezb@gmail.com Thu Aug 28 01:05:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AA247500AF for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:05:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.407 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.407 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, INVALID_DATE_TZ_ABSURD=2.191] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 8447 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [74.125.44.29] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id GC0bi477ZE8S for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:05:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from yx-out-2324.google.com (yx-out-2324.google.com [74.125.44.29]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 29F7F750080 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:05:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: by yx-out-2324.google.com with SMTP id 8so76156yxb.63 for ; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=EuP3KfSlZAGnU6A2pi6XDSZiRC75Sh42Fg+UjsLWFKk=; b=Evi2BA/47HRNxuwzS3Vso9+K0sY0G3SjpCktUhMqNA7cxadYxwlFTo3sw10o3lUCdx GdBb/AQyM+EsNykkjmWJbsjRx5ZBWL3LRz60kVBAa1dcvLZEPCFM0L1N8NNHT6V2l/bb RoNUdS9URxX1v9GiKzZNMJbfzOafyELpLWPsg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=mUrz0XMWeITppB2vfN7Tl4fRswn72UuQxECvAPkMytuI+d6sPGQTzlOk4tjE3+Chy+ hJHY+i9XQFank3DADDDMAqkpykIzr9jQpObocda7DxMSGgJWYkbbIUt2uRfRwsuZFcGM KrMGYpQ5ESRQOwFUTWKLNOYYM55VYkqRbnkK4= Received: by 10.150.98.18 with SMTP id v18mr1151226ybb.94.1219885539185; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.102.14 with HTTP; Wed, 27 Aug 2008 18:05:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:35:39 +1930 From: "=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Joel_G=F3mez?=" To: mattias In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_32544_15814407.1219885539192" References: Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] debian X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:05:48 -0000 ------=_Part_32544_15814407.1219885539192 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline we've english section.. for everyone :P 2008/8/28 mattias > sorry i can't spanish > > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > *Fr=E5n:* Joel G=F3mez [mailto:joelgomezb@gmail.com] > *Skickat:* den 27 augusti 2008 16:12 > *Till:* mattias > *Kopia:* orca-list@gnome.org > *=C4mne:* Re: [orca-list] debian > > visit this wiki: www.mundoaccesible.org.ve > > We have information about installation of all tools accessibility in debi= an > > 2008/8/27 mattias > >> way use debian?? >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> > > > > -- > http://joelgomezb.blogspot.com > Linux User #435411 > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > --=20 http://joelgomezb.blogspot.com Linux User #435411 ------=_Part_32544_15814407.1219885539192 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
we've english section.. for everyone :P

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( [70.185.240.57]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm713068qba.3.2008.08.27.19.53.48 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Wed, 27 Aug 2008 19:53:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B61339.3030106@gmail.com> Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2008 21:53:45 -0500 From: Mike Reiser User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Windows/20080708) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Farhan References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> <48B595B1.4080900@sun.com> <1706427181.20080827140536@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <1706427181.20080827140536@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Willie Walker , Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 02:55:17 -0000 one case for me is in nautilus. When opening a folder containing hundreds of items, orca seems to almost freez completely. Using ubuntu harty with the latest svn version of orca, with espeak and gnome-speech. For me that's the biggest issue. Mike From aaronlev@moonset.net Thu Aug 28 07:44:14 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D87B57500DC for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:44:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11435 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id OvfKUcqPHUky for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:44:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0101.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 75AB775007C for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:44:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id E5B4E7C6781; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:44:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm103 Received: by sj1-dm103.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 5ce4001f) id sj1-dm103.48ac740e.403855; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 00:44:05 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLsaiRItldF3KzinwIAAAAC,40261786a248cefeba960e2b353113a8 Message-ID: <48B6573F.8010608@moonset.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:43:59 +0200 From: Aaron Leventhal User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080826031358) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Storm Dragon References: <1219881554.6287.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> In-Reply-To: <1219881554.6287.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Slight Problem With Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 07:44:15 -0000 Hello, there is an option under Preferences/Options that you may have toggled on (or perhaps an extension you installed did it). Preferences -> General tab -> Accessibility -> Warn me when sites try to redirect or reload the page. Uncheck that. Hope that helps, - Aaron Storm Dragon wrote: > Hi, > On some pages I keep getting a message that says something like > "Firefox prevented this page from automatically reloading". Sometimes > it "from redirecting to another page". I have to use flat review to > go and click the allow button to get the page to do what it's supposed > to do. The problem is, when I do the click with flat review, the > focus is changed to where the button is and it takes a while to get > back where I was. Is there any way to get Firefox to not > automatically block reloads or redirects? > Thanks > Storm > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Thu Aug 28 08:09:47 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D0BD87500E2 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:09:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id mHwQ9eggR+Z7 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:09:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 91582750166 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:09:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B2137D9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.55.217]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1KYcZU1XgF-0006Lb; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:09:37 +0200 From: Hermann To: Aaron Leventhal In-Reply-To: <48B6573F.8010608@moonset.net> (Aaron Leventhal's message of "Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:43:59 +0200") References: <1219881554.6287.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <48B6573F.8010608@moonset.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:09:52 +0200 Message-ID: <87sksp8srz.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/bNAEvJF1G4uJ2H6+Ldw2YgHcJOpLXbLvwkCM cBrCXMr2a3tRWJ3HlQ/USDGmjqOw90UzBjeHvTGWJzMyWk+9rK Vf723bvGHqM2IpChnUC1g== Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Slight Problem With Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:09:47 -0000 On 28.08.2008 at 09:43:59 Aaron Leventhal wrote: > Hello, there is an option under Preferences/Options that you may have > toggled on (or perhaps an extension you installed did it). > > Preferences -> General tab -> Accessibility -> Warn me when sites try > to redirect or reload the page. > Do you mean preferences/advanced/general/accessibility? Cannot check it immediately, because I'm sitting at a text only Linux machine. > Uncheck that. > > Hope that helps, In addition: You can always reach that "allow" button by pressing Control+L and then twice tab. Those buttons are located after the search bar. It only works, when the navigation bar has been checked in view/toolbar. Hermann From aaronlev@moonset.net Thu Aug 28 08:31:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9A05C750081 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:31:10 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 11443 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jK6domZlXvt9 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:31:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0101.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7A5F750117 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:31:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 591CA7C6CB4; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:31:03 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 5ce4001f) id dm37.48ac7386.216d3b; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 01:31:02 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQLsaiRItmJG7Kp9mwIAAAAD,7d289e0b4cce86a078052bb0d8ec07c1 Message-ID: <48B6623F.3010207@moonset.net> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 10:30:55 +0200 From: Aaron Leventhal User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (Windows; 20080826031358) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Hermann References: <1219881554.6287.4.camel@stormdragon-laptop> <48B6573F.8010608@moonset.net> <87sksp8srz.fsf@onlinehome.de> In-Reply-To: <87sksp8srz.fsf@onlinehome.de> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list Subject: Re: [orca-list] Slight Problem With Firefox X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:31:11 -0000 Hermann, you're right. - Aaron Hermann wrote: > On 28.08.2008 at 09:43:59 Aaron Leventhal wrote: > > >> Hello, there is an option under Preferences/Options that you may have >> toggled on (or perhaps an extension you installed did it). >> >> Preferences -> General tab -> Accessibility -> Warn me when sites try >> to redirect or reload the page. >> >> > Do you mean preferences/advanced/general/accessibility? Cannot check it > immediately, because I'm sitting at a text only Linux machine. > > >> Uncheck that. >> >> Hope that helps, >> > > In addition: You can always reach that "allow" button by pressing > Control+L and then twice tab. Those buttons are located after the search > bar. It only works, when the navigation bar has been checked in > view/toolbar. > Hermann > > > From vilmar@informal.com.br Thu Aug 28 12:13:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 83AA97504C2 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:13:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 7436 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kYiz0v9D86zv for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:13:01 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A98757505B3 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:12:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CF132A02EF; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:09:37 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jUI7c5f0cxZ4; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:09:34 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [10.0.1.107] (unknown [10.0.1.107]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BC8DE2A028B; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:09:34 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48B69629.7090709@informal.com.br> Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 09:12:25 -0300 From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080822030405) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Mike Reiser References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> <48B595B1.4080900@sun.com> <1706427181.20080827140536@gmail.com> <48B61339.3030106@gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <48B61339.3030106@gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Willie Walker , Farhan , Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:13:11 -0000 Yes, this is one that I can confirm too. Nautilus is not very responsiveness in my machine. Thanks. Mike Reiser wrote: > one case for me is in nautilus. When opening a folder containing > hundreds of items, orca seems to almost freez completely. Using > ubuntu harty with the latest svn version of orca, with espeak and > gnome-speech. For me that's the biggest issue. > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From William.Walker@Sun.COM Thu Aug 28 12:43:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E145F750543 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:43:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -7.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-7.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_Unix=-1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 9, (distance 14, link: ethernet/modem), [192.18.98.34] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5wVfv6jpotRs for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:43:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brmea-mail-3.sun.com (brmea-mail-3.Sun.COM [192.18.98.34]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9C9547503A8 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:43:14 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fe-amer-10.sun.com ([192.18.109.80]) by brmea-mail-3.sun.com (8.13.6+Sun/8.12.9) with ESMTP id m7SChD7B012952 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:43:13 GMT Received: from conversion-daemon.mail-amer.sun.com by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) id <0K6B005019UW8900@mail-amer.sun.com> (original mail from William.Walker@Sun.COM) for Orca-list@gnome.org; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Received: from [192.168.1.10] ([24.181.237.108]) by mail-amer.sun.com (Sun Java System Messaging Server 6.2-8.04 (built Feb 28 2007)) with ESMTPSA id <0K6B008ZYA00UTF0@mail-amer.sun.com>; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 06:43:13 -0600 (MDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:43:11 -0400 From: Willie Walker In-reply-to: <48B61339.3030106@gmail.com> Sender: William.Walker@Sun.COM To: Mike Reiser Message-id: <1219927391.29413.4.camel@server> MIME-version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-type: text/plain Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT References: <1219780572.16646.10.camel@boy-desktop> <002001c907ca$52a7b2c0$6502a8c0@winblows> <47261453.20080826185744@gmail.com> <1219843983.28884.46.camel@server> <324312604.20080827104735@gmail.com> <48B595B1.4080900@sun.com> <1706427181.20080827140536@gmail.com> <48B61339.3030106@gmail.com> Cc: Farhan , Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Another newby, with some questions X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:43:49 -0000 Thanks Mike! We're tracking the nautilus problem here: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=547880 Will On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 21:53 -0500, Mike Reiser wrote: > one case for me is in nautilus. When opening a folder containing > hundreds of items, orca seems to almost freez completely. Using ubuntu > harty with the latest svn version of orca, with espeak and > gnome-speech. For me that's the biggest issue. > > Mike From vo1ryn@gmail.com Thu Aug 28 18:11:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 81BF8750204 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:11:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.353 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.353 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, DATE_IN_FUTURE_03_06=0.274, STOX_REPLY_TYPE=0.001, TW_SN=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 8700 hrs), (distance 13, link: ethernet/modem), [209.85.217.18] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id j-ul684Bd+5D for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:11:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail-gx0-f18.google.com (mail-gx0-f18.google.com [209.85.217.18]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3B59E750106 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:11:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: by gxk11 with SMTP id 11so4674386gxk.15 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:from:to:subject :date:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:x-priority :x-msmail-priority:x-mailer:disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; bh=MitCFL/FT8JVM0YV6M/EHCsPjMbqYfRqwMAUL6MCuqM=; b=q2KO5M3V2CMlFFuGehongQqrENoR1uXJdNVvp2gHwjycnvKqjr7u/xQ60fvYQnN2Pl YgboDIgCgGtqg6qz7wywHtLv6ve/68LOJgJpMxeszXBtug1oy1SHtflAIpxk5CFaQAhe tUjO92TNuJCU3TEf6LuRI2XQyE8jEOLVIxP5Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:from:to:subject:date:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:x-priority:x-msmail-priority:x-mailer :disposition-notification-to:x-mimeole; b=rfEIYCtoRx8otb2ETwAnBRpB+UgamK3KAGJeYQHuHHM5+8vBK6nLUH/J09rLWdfBNs 9kWEmjbAY5ZCi+Jx3+WYVHd43dXPfXrOpM4YHYeZEj93/SNxUBnexALoc/qpuNgBmwyv uU0sPKLtiKdCkNBlqfx+Hi1lSqm9afaA56g88= Received: by 10.151.149.14 with SMTP id b14mr2618541ybo.71.1219947058562; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:10:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from intrepid ( [72.139.71.169]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id k7sm2136352qba.3.2008.08.28.11.10.56 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Thu, 28 Aug 2008 11:10:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000301c9095f$14862ad0$6400a8c0@intrepid> From: "Michael Ryan" To: Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 15:40:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset="iso-8859-1"; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3350 Subject: [orca-list] building a dedacated Ubuntu Machine X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 18:11:33 -0000 Hi all: I was just given an HP desktop which was purchased in 2001. It's an Athelon 1.2, 328MB RAM and a 60G hard drive. I'm not sure on the HP model # but it has a DVD read only drive and a DVD Burner. This particular model also has a cd storage in the top of the case. It has onboard sound. I'm wondering if I should just pick up a fairly in_expensive snd card this evening, when I pick up my I-Mac and download an Athelon version of Ubuntu. I did try to install and can see video out put but no sound. TNX all: Michael Ryan From jbar@barcore.com Thu Aug 28 23:25:53 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D1DC1750072 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.491 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.491 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, TW_CF=0.077, TW_JP=0.077, TW_PF=0.077, TW_XP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:47:1:60:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0!:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [76.96.62.17] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id nkK+7Q+jBk89 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net (qmta10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net [76.96.62.17]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D6FCC7500A6 for ; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.62.52]) by QMTA10.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7vGJ1a01M17dt5G5AzRj6A; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:43 +0000 Received: from workhorse.barcore.com ([76.102.196.250]) by OMTA13.westchester.pa.mail.comcast.net with comcast id 7zRi1a00D5QdfnQ3ZzRjcr; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:43 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=NhYqY1CVDMYA:10 a=NrO4Yj_JNjsA:10 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=A_xy7iYfAAAA:8 a=I9dqcSHzAAAA:8 a=1k0d9EX0AAAA:8 a=sO_a4K9X2-k2OEFSFOkA:9 a=TtwEcnqOHZcDg0b-eIsA:7 a=pb625q-ethAOPmhuwuaT3Zs5zqcA:4 a=Vl-UTon-LzoA:10 a=heGg7Oq2XFsA:10 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=G8fbro4vBMIA:10 a=oqs56FR1YJwA:10 Received: by workhorse.barcore.com (Postfix, from userid 21691) id 3B1784FF85; Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:25:42 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:25:42 -0700 From: Jim Barbour To: Janina Sajka Message-ID: <20080828232540.GA27844@barcore.com> References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:25:54 -0000 So, I'm not sure what the spirit of the question is. There are lots of programs you can use to take a snapshot of your data. I recommend tar as a big step of from dd, since you restore it on top of an existing filesystem. The output from tar will also take less space than the output from dd. I've included a small tutorial on tar below. However, neither dd nor tar nor other bitmover programs like rsync, cp, and cpio are backup programs. They're missing any kind of scheduling, data integrity checking, etc. You can script around the bitmover tools mentioned above to get there. Or, you can try something like amanda. Any of these applications should work fine using a terminal and/or web browser. Now, a little more on tar. Try... cd / outfile=$( /bin/date "+/home/root-%Y-%m-%d.tar.bz2" ) tar --one-file-system cfj - . > "$outfile" To create /home/root-2008-08-25.tar.bz2 (if run on August 25th, 2008) with a bzip'ed copy of /. You can recover single files from it like this... cd / tar xpfj /home/root-2008-08-25.tar.bz2 ./etc/passwd to recover the password file. You can leave off ./etc/passwd to recover all files. You can also do the recovery in a directory other than / to not clobber the existing /etc/passwd file Hope this helps, Jim On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:58:02AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > You use the dd command either in a terminal window or from a console. > You should be root to backup a partition. Assuming the partition you > want to backup is mounted at /dev/sda3, you might use a command like: > > dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/home/sda3-backup.img > > This will create a file in /home, called sda3-backup.img, which will be > an exact, byte by byte copy of your /dev/sda3 partition. > > Clearly, you must have sufficient free space on /home for this to work, > so check that with: > > df /home > df /dev/sda3 > > For long-term storage, you will probably want to compress this file, > perhaps like this: > > tar cjpf sda3-backup.tar.bz2 sda3-backup.img > > Janina > > > mike writes: > > I typed dd and lost speech. I'm sure there is more to that command, can you give me a idea how to use it? > > What I have is a windows partition that I want to back up and restore when I replace the hard drive. > > Thanks Mike. > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080824-0, 08/24/2008), Outbound message > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > > > ----- (Original Message) ----- > > From: "Janina Sajka" > > Date: Monday, August 25, at 8:28 AM > > To: Orca screen reader developers > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? > > > > > > You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that > > has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar > > and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. > > > > mike writes: > > > Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. > > > There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? > > > Thanks Mike. > > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message > > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka,Phone:+1.202.595.7777;sip:janina@a11y.org > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLChttp://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > > > Chair, Open Accessibilityjanina@a11y.org > > Linux Foundationhttp://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Or > > -- > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From guyster@bex.net Fri Aug 29 08:15:30 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2B04D7501C8 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:15:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 6494 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id DHKQjSMKV1gk for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:15:19 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0103.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 56FAB7501D6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:14:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0103.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0E5DA3C79D7 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:14:33 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: sj1-dm101 Received: by sj1-dm101.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f076e7) id sj1-dm101.48ac7406.42c00b for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 01:14:32 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pIt6/ov0UEewIAAAAB,9715e0983d9984c62d692ecb1c6e310c Message-ID: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 04:14:31 -0400 From: Guy Schlosser User-Agent: Thunderbird 3.0a2pre (X11/2008051503) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:15:30 -0000 Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this problem with speech-dispatcher 0.6.7. For some reason I have intermittent crashes of the espeak module. The reasons I blame it on the s-d espeak module are: 1. When I have a crash, issuing a 'killall speech-dispatcher', then re-executing s-d brings speech back. 2. In my speechd.log, I have several occurrences of "broken pipe to module", and "module terminated abnormally." Anyone have any ideas? I am using ubuntu intrepid with all the latest updates, and I generally cannot get through an hour without at least four crashes. Any thoughts, ideas or suggestions wold be greatly appreciated. Thanks much, Guy From cerha@brailcom.org Fri Aug 29 08:33:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CDDD3750172 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:33:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.475 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.475 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.124, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 433 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [81.25.16.212] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id pylB4Xm69dPR for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:33:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz (mx4.tartarnet.cz [81.25.16.212]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D84A5750154 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:32:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id E16BD606F599; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:32:24 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at Received: from mx4.tartarnet.cz ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mx4.tartarnet.cz [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p3IH6hyl-YTs; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [10.0.0.2] (pc-cerhatom.tartarnet.cz [10.22.13.12]) by mx4.tartarnet.cz (Postfix) with ESMTP id AC08B6071D83; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:32:14 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <48B7B42F.30902@brailcom.org> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:32:47 +0200 From: Tomas Cerha Organization: Brailcom, o.p.s. User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Schlosser References: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> In-Reply-To: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> X-Enigmail-Version: 0.95.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 08:33:14 -0000 Guy Schlosser wrote: > 2. In my speechd.log, I have several occurrences of "broken pipe to > module", and "module terminated abnormally." Hello Guy, yes, this means that the module is crashing. Which version of espeak and libespeak do you have? AFAIK, you are the first one to report this. Can you please increase the logging level both in speechd.conf and espeak.conf and send the logs to speechd@lists.freebsoft.org? Best regards, Tomas. From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Fri Aug 29 09:35:20 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AFBA7500B4 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:35:20 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_60=1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 798 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id qpXMY7mecEbg for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:35:12 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 50CD3750070 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:35:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 1637 invoked by uid 89); 29 Aug 2008 09:35:07 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 1544, pid: 1592, t: 0.5466s scanners: clamav: 0.90.3/m:43/d:3378 Received: from unknown (HELO csa) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp6.aruba.it with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 09:35:07 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c909ba$7a6869c0$06000a0a@csa> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:34:43 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071031-0, 31/10/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Spam-Rating: smtp6.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] confusing. orca browser? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:35:20 -0000 Today I found this: http://www.orcabrowser.com/ I'm quite confused, what's this? it seems a browser based on firefox and orca that facilitates web = surfing... but I'm not sure. is it a project concerning with orca? Bye. -- Simone Dal Maso. Tutti i miei progetti: Spazioausili: consultazione, ricerca e commenti sugli ausili informatici = per non vedenti: http://www.spazioausili.net homepage sviluppo comunita' NVDA: www.nvda.it Visita il mio blog! http://simodm.blogspot.com homepage progetto musicale: www.juvox.it From bhawkeslewis@googlemail.com Fri Aug 29 09:43:36 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9F5FB7500C6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:43:36 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.639 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.639 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4562 hrs), (distance 16, link: (Google 2)), [74.125.78.25] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id PQ5gpjEe5e2y for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:43:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ey-out-2122.google.com (ey-out-2122.google.com [74.125.78.25]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D32E6750082 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:43:28 +0000 (GMT) Received: by ey-out-2122.google.com with SMTP id 25so235964eya.9 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:43:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject:references:in-reply-to :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=8YjqsD1kbr+7dYmiacnJqlZOwFat264wp+7MiaUAnNY=; b=jtVZ4Ify9Rq1pGoCjB89YKolCe7myTsp8MYbNtUI9amrIMum1NZ+wwcAJ+mE9DB7kf aP4TJdWtgCAhfJqR0HEE1pdM20W/iqSAoRGW1sW/FWQu1SZcwNBz6XeMhe8mujGfNwVJ pHBPZkP6KLgHv5INqHLElgXnn2z7/yiRFLeGE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlemail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:cc:subject :references:in-reply-to:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=lday+ym0/gKV8N3AIbuGUFhEbyZ7Xxs//98PddmBrRW2uMLieUqO4WxF/kYeZjXmUW qQv7sop4UXfzj0d0ocX3mqMB7XMdckXj4aZ3wiuumt1PCJyibE07erFRLAFO6F/IH37c 8su3f+Gr3v9X/w3sHhsb0Iy8gwkVJVTXxnScE= Received: by 10.210.28.4 with SMTP id b4mr1321105ebb.138.1220003006079; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:43:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from memberegg-lx.london.corp.yahoo.com ( [217.12.14.240]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 10sm2017587eyd.6.2008.08.29.02.43.23 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 02:43:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <48B7C4BA.9030903@googlemail.com> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:43:22 +0100 From: Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (Macintosh/20080707) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simone Dal Maso References: <000601c909ba$7a6869c0$06000a0a@csa> In-Reply-To: <000601c909ba$7a6869c0$06000a0a@csa> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] confusing. orca browser? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:43:36 -0000 Simone Dal Maso wrote: > Today I found this: > http://www.orcabrowser.com/ > > I'm quite confused, what's this? > it seems a browser based on firefox and orca that facilitates web surfing... but I'm not sure. > is it a project concerning with orca? It's got nothing to do with the Orca screen reader, it's just using the same name. -- Benjamin Hawkes-Lewis From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Fri Aug 29 10:03:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 36A42750275 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:03:44 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 814 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3e6DSWbdFO5F for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:03:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp3.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id A3E1B7501A7 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:03:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 15385 invoked by uid 89); 29 Aug 2008 10:03:21 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 15310, pid: 15370, t: 0.2567s scanners: clamav: 0.88.4/m:40/d:1722 Received: from unknown (HELO csa) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@81.118.237.50) by smtp3.aruba.it with SMTP; 29 Aug 2008 10:03:21 -0000 Message-ID: <000601c909be$6c363d60$06000a0a@csa> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:02:58 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="Windows-1252" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1409 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 071031-0, 31/10/2007), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Not-Tested X-Spam-Rating: smtp3.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] updating orca, only a question X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:03:50 -0000 I read carefully all papers written in the gnome live orca website and I = can say that all is quite clear. I have only a question, suppose I want to upgrade to orca 2.23.90 that = is the last source today. In the web site, it says that, if I want to use orca 2.23, I should have = also gnome 2.23. So, how can I upgrade my gnome version from the standard ubuntu 8.04.1 = to the 2.23 gnome version for having the same version of orca? is it sufficient to update the AT-SPI Infrastructure (atk, gail, = at-spi), or should I update also gnome? thanks and sorry for these easy questions, but I want understand! -- Simone Dal Maso. Tutti i miei progetti: Spazioausili: consultazione, ricerca e commenti sugli ausili informatici = per non vedenti: http://www.spazioausili.net homepage sviluppo comunita' NVDA: www.nvda.it Visita il mio blog! http://simodm.blogspot.com homepage progetto musicale: www.juvox.it From hanke@brailcom.org Fri Aug 29 12:06:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C0F267501E4 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1331 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [195.113.161.67] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lAOie45WgJPy for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from brailcom.org (brailcom.cesnet.cz [195.113.161.67]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C7F4575014D for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from 29.230.broadband5.iol.cz ([88.100.230.29] helo=[192.168.2.106]) by brailcom.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ2kN-0005Vu-CA; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:06:36 +0200 Message-ID: <48B7E644.4050904@brailcom.org> Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:06:28 +0200 From: Hynek Hanke User-Agent: Thunderbird 2.0.0.16 (X11/20080724) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Guy Schlosser References: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> In-Reply-To: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam_Score-Int: -13 X-SA-Exim-Connect-IP: 88.100.230.29 X-SA-Exim-Mail-From: hanke@brailcom.org X-SA-Exim-Scanned: No (on brailcom.org); SAEximRunCond expanded to false Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:06:47 -0000 Guy Schlosser: > Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this > problem with speech-dispatcher 0.6.7. For some reason I have > intermittent crashes of the espeak module. The reasons I blame it on > the s-d espeak module are: > 1. When I have a crash, issuing a 'killall speech-dispatcher', then > re-executing s-d brings speech back. > 2. In my speechd.log, I have several occurrences of "broken pipe to > module", and "module terminated abnormally." What version of libasound are you using? There are known issues with libasound 1.0.16 that cause such crashes of output modules. With regards, Hynek Hanke From mj@mjw.se Fri Aug 29 13:56:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 54189750031 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:56:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.74 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.74 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_20=-0.74] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3956 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.129] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 3nOao5ehjSf8 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:56:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe13.swip.net [212.247.155.129]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A7E1175021F for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:56:11 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=9DP072Zvzwxyjj6dmGMA:9 a=wzyWq34VA3SnGKwiNCGvR3DXQzYA:4 a=yQcR2aroB8gA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe13.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 666858004 for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:56:04 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:56:03 +0200 Message-Id: <1220018163.29465.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:56:33 -0000 where to find deb file for the new speech-dispatcher? From mj@mjw.se Fri Aug 29 13:59:48 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEF475019D for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:59:48 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3958 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 4pW8KfLCNs32 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:59:42 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe06.swip.net [212.247.154.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 645C57500E1 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:59:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GUYDQ8NC32nl8OkMEQUA:9 a=wzDIWwB9CX7TmVlOzwIyxzGDfiEA:4 a=yQcR2aroB8gA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe06.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1056874954 for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:59:36 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:59:35 +0200 Message-Id: <1220018375.29892.2.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:59:48 -0000 where to find deb package for the new speech-dispatcher? From janina@rednote.net Fri Aug 29 15:47:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F705750231 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:47:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.291 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.291 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_CF=0.077, TW_JP=0.077, TW_PF=0.077, TW_XP=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3742 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id D18ifNV2Syee for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:47:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BAF2975023C for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:47:02 +0000 (GMT) Received: from sonata.rednote.net (janina.broker.freenet6.net [IPv6:2001:5c0:8fff:fffe::73af]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7TFkgRV013848 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO); Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:46:54 GMT Received: from sonata.rednote.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7TFkftB015474; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 11:46:41 -0400 Received: (from janina@localhost) by sonata.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2/Submit) id m7TFkeMU015471; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:46:40 -0500 X-Authentication-Warning: sonata.rednote.net: janina set sender to janina@rednote.net using -f Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:46:40 -0500 From: Janina Sajka To: Jim Barbour Message-ID: <20080829154640.GB15004@sonata.rednote.net> References: <0K6500HONYJXI2G0@vms044.mailsrvcs.net> <20080825155802.GC5064@sonata.rednote.net> <20080828232540.GA27844@barcore.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080828232540.GA27844@barcore.com> X-Operating-System: Linux sonata.rednote.net 2.6.26.2-14.spk.fc9.x86_64 Organization: Capital Accessibility LLC (http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com) X-PGP-Key: http://www.CapitalAccessibility.com/JaninaSajka_gpg_key.html User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8117/Fri Aug 29 14:55:12 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Cc: Orca screen reader developers Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:47:17 -0000 I believe the difference arguing for the use of dd is that it will give you an image that can be used to restore/create a bootable partition. As I noted in my email about dd, it is indeed advisable to compress that image. Perhaps there's something I'm missing about tar? Janina Jim Barbour writes: > So, I'm not sure what the spirit of the question is. There are lots > of programs you can use to take a snapshot of your data. > > I recommend tar as a big step of from dd, since you restore it on top > of an existing filesystem. The output from tar will also take less > space than the output from dd. > > I've included a small tutorial on tar below. > > However, neither dd nor tar nor other bitmover programs like rsync, > cp, and cpio are backup programs. They're missing any kind of > scheduling, data integrity checking, etc. You can script around the > bitmover tools mentioned above to get there. Or, you can try > something like amanda. > > Any of these applications should work fine using a terminal and/or web > browser. > > Now, a little more on tar. Try... > > cd / > outfile=$( /bin/date "+/home/root-%Y-%m-%d.tar.bz2" ) > tar --one-file-system cfj - . > "$outfile" > > To create /home/root-2008-08-25.tar.bz2 (if run on August 25th, 2008) > with a bzip'ed copy of /. > > You can recover single files from it like this... > > cd / > tar xpfj /home/root-2008-08-25.tar.bz2 ./etc/passwd > > to recover the password file. > > You can leave off ./etc/passwd to recover all files. > > You can also do the recovery in a directory other than / to not > clobber the existing /etc/passwd file > > Hope this helps, > > Jim > > On Mon, Aug 25, 2008 at 11:58:02AM -0400, Janina Sajka wrote: > > You use the dd command either in a terminal window or from a console. > > You should be root to backup a partition. Assuming the partition you > > want to backup is mounted at /dev/sda3, you might use a command like: > > > > dd if=/dev/sda3 of=/home/sda3-backup.img > > > > This will create a file in /home, called sda3-backup.img, which will be > > an exact, byte by byte copy of your /dev/sda3 partition. > > > > Clearly, you must have sufficient free space on /home for this to work, > > so check that with: > > > > df /home > > df /dev/sda3 > > > > For long-term storage, you will probably want to compress this file, > > perhaps like this: > > > > tar cjpf sda3-backup.tar.bz2 sda3-backup.img > > > > Janina > > > > > > mike writes: > > > I typed dd and lost speech. I'm sure there is more to that command, can you give me a idea how to use it? > > > What I have is a windows partition that I want to back up and restore when I replace the hard drive. > > > Thanks Mike. > > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080824-0, 08/24/2008), Outbound message > > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > > > > > > ----- (Original Message) ----- > > > From: "Janina Sajka" > > > Date: Monday, August 25, at 8:28 AM > > > To: Orca screen reader developers > > > Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of a program for backing upa computer that works with orca? > > > > > > > > > You don't need a special distribution. Try using the 'dd' command that > > > has been there in Unix and Linux systems forever. Note you can also tar > > > and bunzip the result to reduce the size of your backup image file. > > > > > > mike writes: > > > > Hi, this may be a little off topic, but I need something that works with Orca, so thought this was the place to ask. > > > > There are some Linux distributions like PING-2.01 aimed at providing tools for backing up a partition. Does anyone know of a program for ghost or backing up partitions I can install in ubuntu or what ever distro that works with Orca? > > > > Thanks Mike. > > > > X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080823-0, 08/23/2008), Outbound message > > > > X-Antivirus-Status: Clean > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Janina Sajka,Phone:+1.202.595.7777;sip:janina@a11y.org > > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLChttp://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > > > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > > > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > > > > > Chair, Open Accessibilityjanina@a11y.org > > > Linux Foundationhttp://a11y.org > > > _______________________________________________ > > > Orca-list mailing list > > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Or > > > > -- > > > > Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org > > Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com > > > > Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada > > Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com > > > > Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org > > Linux Foundation http://a11y.org > > _______________________________________________ > > Orca-list mailing list > > Orca-list@gnome.org > > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca -- Janina Sajka, Phone: +1.202.595.7777; sip:janina@a11y.org Partner, Capital Accessibility LLC http://CapitalAccessibility.Com Marketing the Owasys 22C talking screenless cell phone in the U.S. and Canada Learn more at http://ScreenlessPhone.Com Chair, Open Accessibility janina@a11y.org Linux Foundation http://a11y.org From pdm@zamazal.org Fri Aug 29 17:44:32 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C9C267500C6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:44:32 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.221 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.221 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.378, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1806 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [217.66.176.51] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 471yZY2kQV4x for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:44:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zamazal.org (ip51.strelice.net [217.66.176.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B8DA750031 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:44:16 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbird.nest.zamazal.org ([192.168.129.12]) by zamazal.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ818-0001vv-6y for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:44:14 +0200 Received: from pdm by blackbird.nest.zamazal.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZ815-0001vr-In for orca-list@gnome.org; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:44:11 +0200 To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <1220018163.29465.0.camel@ubuntu> From: Milan Zamazal Organization: BRAILCOM, o.p.s. Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 19:44:11 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1220018163.29465.0.camel@ubuntu> (sfid-20080829_155645_760585_61D1EE8F) (mattias's message of "Fri\, 29 Aug 2008 15\:56\:03 +0200") Message-ID: <87iqtjk978.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:44:33 -0000 >>>>> "m" == mattias writes: m> where to find deb file for the new speech-dispatcher? http://packages.debian.org/speech-dispatcher From ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com Fri Aug 29 20:10:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E5057500F5 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:10:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -6.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-4] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 8623 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [158.35.223.2] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p+bj--yanEUK for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:10:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from HOEMXP62.exxonmobil.com (hoemxp62.exxonmobil.com [158.35.223.2]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D06B27500E6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:10:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dalnmg04.na.xom.com (dalnmg04.na.xom.com [131.126.97.123]) by HOEMXP62.na.xom.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id m7TKA7LY013038; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:10:07 -0500 In-Reply-To: <0c8faa13891e21aa322b40aa4958cf2d@sun.com> Importance: To: Willie Walker X-Mailer: Lotus Notes 652HF109 January 14, 2005 Message-ID: From: ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:10:05 -0500 X-MIMETrack: Serialize by Router on Dalnmg04.na.xom.com/S/ExxonMobil(Release 7.0.2FP2|May 14, 2007) at 08/29/2008 03:10:07 PM MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Cc: William.Walker@Sun.COM, DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM, orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Need some Orca help/hints X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:10:17 -0000 All - Looks like I've got FC9 into our test environment. I'm trying to figure how to make it work with login screen talk to me, is this possible? I saw a some instructions for Solaris how do I do this for FC9? Thanks. Regards, Ashis This communication may contain privileged or other confidential information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that you may have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender indicating that and delete the copy you received. In addition, you should not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the information contained in this communication. Thank You. Willie Walker To Sent by: ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com William.Walker cc @Sun.COM DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM, orca-list@gnome.org Subject 06/12/08 08:45 Re: [orca-list] Need Orca AM installation tip/guidelines Hi Ashis: Orca is under continual development, and we rarely backport fixes from new versions of Orca to older versions. So, the benefits of using a more modern Orca are that it contains more fixes and features than past versions. The same applies to GNOME itself. The NEWS file for Orca contains all the details: http://svn.gnome.org/svn/orca/trunk/NEWS The Orca road map contains a summary: http://live.gnome.org/RoadMap/Orca Will On Jun 12, 2008, at 9:29 AM, ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com wrote: > Willie/Don, > > What are the drawbacks from using GNOME 2.16/2.18 and Orca? What are > the > items gained from using GNOME 2.22? > > Thanks. > > Regards, > Ashis Purbhoo > BLI / Technical Systems / Engineering > ExxonMobil GSC - Information Technology > Office: 713.431.4875, Fax: 713.431.7911 > GSC-GW3-504B > ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com > > > > This communication may contain privileged or other confidential > information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that > you may > have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender > indicating that and delete the copy you received. In addition, you > should > not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the > information > contained in this communication. Thank You. > > > > Willie Walker > r@Sun.COM> > To > Sent by: ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com > William.Walker > cc > @Sun.COM DON.RAIKES@ORACLE.COM, > orca-list@gnome.org > > Subject > 05/19/08 02:13 Re: [orca-list] Need Orca > PM installation tip/guidelines > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ashis: > > This list seems about right. I don't work on RHEL, however, so I might > be making some assumptions about dependencies that I'm not aware of. > > If possible, you should try to go with GNOME 2.22.x for a stable > release > of GNOME. Since they are part of GNOME, this should also get you Orca, > ATK, GAIL, and AT-SPI. > > Then, try applying some form of the directions at > http://live.gnome.org/Orca/JABG to get the Java Access Bridge for > GNOME. > By "some form", I mean that the instructions on the WIKI were most > likely written for Ubuntu and not RedHat. > > I don't have experience with BrlTTY on RedHat or Fedora, so I don't > know > if there are any quirks with it there. Users on this list might be > able > to help, though. > > CBE is only needed for Solaris, so you don't need it for RHEL. > > Hope this helps. If you get it to work, would you consider adding a > section on the WIKI for it? > > Will > >> GNOME v2.22 or v2.23 w/ Orca Screen Reader v2.22 or v.2.23 >> BrITTY v3.8 or better >> Java Access Bridge (JABG) v1.5 >> Java v6 to build/compile JABG >> Common Build Environment JDS CBE v1.6 >> ATK v2.0, GAIL v1.8.11, AT-SPI v1.7.7 will need to compiled & > installed >> >> Thanks. >> >> Regards, >> Ashis Purbhoo >> BLI / Technical Systems / Engineering >> ExxonMobil GSC - Information Technology >> Office: 713.431.4875, Fax: 713.431.7911 >> GSC-GW3-504B >> ashis.v.purbhoo@exxonmobil.com >> >> >> >> This communication may contain privileged or other confidential >> information. If you are not the intended recipient, or believe that >> you > may >> have received this communication in error, please reply to the sender >> indicating that and delete the copy you received. In addition, you >> should >> not print, copy, retransmit, disseminate, or otherwise use the > information >> contained in this communication. Thank You. >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Orca-list mailing list >> Orca-list@gnome.org >> http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >> Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From tony.bernedal@gmail.com Fri Aug 29 20:53:38 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B16D4750125 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:53:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id sSZzGwtxATHA for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:53:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from qb-out-0506.google.com (qb-out-0506.google.com [72.14.204.233]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 286577501B1 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:53:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: by qb-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id d7so1456434qbd.33 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=xjVPIsjUlRyjKI6eRW9s9dJ4KDS9rtxAG/Ol7YWr8JY=; b=RyZ7uOcEjL+0SI5rVgOOS9huSM7btth5ksmCdJqaW/8XYTg24TBKrsBQ4wcgDXMMb1 9XzAajUK/hPoLv6iDWu3mqzwWeL6aBMr6Zao4zsWVFtIj/DV16eApffqGj3Rdhrkdcho rMbkyZZYCEioa+mup6kkztiUxPDaENtRwAMgc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=epKlYp+Vr302Y9B9+nDAw0mcyjF97DXzO9OnbOl1NZrt+qWJHZ581aOHoSKGOBQhNJ 9VRKP5p86AlO+MEQscQ84lkUfiifVTK62i0/3tLpWZ0Ojb7QL+QQhM4GJHO+epIbkJ44 uFt1wnLyuw+Ct8bemQHk2BXwKJv2RqoUuoc7c= Received: by 10.142.148.10 with SMTP id v10mr1122855wfd.51.1220043210651; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.58.3 with HTTP; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:53:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:53:30 +0200 From: "Tony Bernedal" To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Subject: [orca-list] installing opensuse 11, my observations so far. X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 20:53:38 -0000 Hi all. I tried to install opensuse 11 with speech from orca. I can say that the install method that is used in ubuntu feels better to me. Here is my observations so far. Running the gnome live cd opensuse 11. The talking boot menu doesn't talk on my system. No beep sound too but that is certainly due to there is no system speaker on this machine. Most modern computer I see today have no system speaker. I tried to start the cd on my laptop and there was the talking bootmenu working so something is problem with this machine. Ok, no talk so I press enter to boot gnome. Login sound is played and I tried to follow the instructions from Darraghs recording about installing opensuse. That worked, not the first one but the second option he talked about. In the installer I have problems with orca, I can not use the flat review keys att all, nothing spoken. So I can not explore the window. The only feedback I get is when I tab through the differnt controls. Ok, I live with that and made the installation. I selected swedish as my language. But here comes the problem. When the system finnesh and reboot I get no speech at all from orca. completely silent when I try to start it. So maybe I have to install the whole thing in english cause festival don't have support for swedish. Install espeak and then change the language to swedish. So with this I can say that I like the ubuntu installer better so far. But if the review key problem can be solved in the future I think that opensuse also can be easy to install. Thats my observations so far. I'll try to install in complete english next time and see if orca works. I don't know why the bootmenu don't talk at all. The machine is a shuttle g31g2b barebone wich I use for various experiments. All the best Tony From webmaster@robin-kipp.de Fri Aug 29 22:08:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 929817500C6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.978 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.978 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL=0.877, RDNS_DYNAMIC=0.1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.4-2.6 (up: 729 hrs), (distance 29, link: ethernet/modem), [85.5.103.105] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 9hECWU+-IYtB for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.robin-kipp.de (105-103.5-85.cust.bluewin.ch [85.5.103.105]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C9397500B6 for ; Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:05 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [127.0.0.1] by pc (ArGoSoft Mail Server Freeware, Version 1.8 (1.8.9.2)); Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:07:59 +0200 From: "Robin Kipp" To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 00:07:58 +0200 Message-ID: <000001c90a23$b2649880$7001a8c0@pc> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.2616 Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 Subject: [orca-list] Orca doesn't read messages in Evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:08:14 -0000 Hi list! Just installed Debian Lenny beta 2 in a virtual machine and works great so far. Just one problem: I set up Evolution and am able to receive and send e-Mail messages. I can access the table containing the message list, however when I hit enter on a message I can't read the text, the arrow keys or review keys don't work unfortunately. What am I doing wrong? Thanks! Robin From simone.dalmaso@juvox.it Sat Aug 30 07:13:49 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8EA347500D4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:13:49 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 1.962 X-Spam-Level: * X-Spam-Status: No, score=1.962 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET=1.96] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 1023 hrs), (distance 24, link: ethernet/modem), [62.149.128.209] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id oKYUlzOqBGEb for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:13:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp4.aruba.it (smtpd4.aruba.it [62.149.128.209]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 9684B75004D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:13:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 31603 invoked by uid 89); 30 Aug 2008 07:13:37 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.1.0 ppid: 31566, pid: 31592, t: 0.1000s scanners: clamav: 0.88.4/m:40/d:1722 Received: from unknown (HELO shtututu) (simone.dalmaso@juvox.it@213.140.6.120) by smtp4.aruba.it with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 07:13:37 -0000 Message-ID: <3384E06CFD4D4A1D9E3CF38D433A2BED@shtututu> From: "Simone Dal Maso" To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:13:37 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000C_01C90A80.AF9CCBB0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 X-Spam-Rating: smtp4.aruba.it 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: [orca-list] error updating orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:13:49 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C90A80.AF9CCBB0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi, here is my problem. I started updating Orca by updating the accessibility infrastructure. updating atk and gail was ok, but, when updating at-spi, when I give the = command ./autogen.sh followed by the 2 parameters, it says: configure error, intltool too old. you have intltool 0.37 and is = required intltool 0.40. How can I update this intltool and, what is it? thanks. ------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C90A80.AF9CCBB0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi,
here is my problem.
I started updating Orca by updating the = accessibility infrastructure.
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configure error, intltool too old. you = have=20 intltool 0.37 and is required intltool 0.40.
How can I update this intltool and, = what is=20 it?
thanks.
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_000C_01C90A80.AF9CCBB0-- From mariachiac@aim.com Sat Aug 30 07:40:58 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BF811750065 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:40:58 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.398 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.398 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1, MIME_QP_LONG_LINE=1.396] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Solaris 8 (1), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [205.188.157.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id n4Cvp7C4oEd4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from imo-d05.mx.aol.com (imo-d05.mx.aol.com [205.188.157.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 559AA75004D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:40:53 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mariachiac@aim.com by imo-d05.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v38_r10.8.) id h.bcc.361c0d55 (37578); Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:40:48 -0400 (EDT) Received: from alonzo57798d8a (rrcs-67-78-50-123.sw.biz.rr.com [67.78.50.123]) by cia-mb05.mx.aol.com (v121_r2.11) with ESMTP id MAILCIAMB053-92ca48b8f97fef; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 03:40:48 -0400 Message-ID: From: "Alonzo" To: , "Speakup is a screen review system for Linux." Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 02:40:56 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01C90A49.D456D2C0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.5512 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5579 X-AOL-IP: 67.78.50.123 Subject: [orca-list] using orca and speakup X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 07:40:59 -0000 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C90A49.D456D2C0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello everyone, I'm writing to both lists hoping I'll get a responce. Since the 64 bit versi= on of fedora does not work with firefox, i'm looking for an alternative. My=20= options to install a distro are the following brltty, telnet, and ssh. there is jsut lot's of choices and I'm just looking for the opinions from pe= ople. If firefox can be fixed on fc9, then that will be very most welcome. I= can also perhaps boot strap and install a distro from a live cd of Ubuntu.=20= I wouuld say grml, but only the 32 bit version works with software speech. Thank you, Alonzo ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C90A49.D456D2C0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello everyone,
 
I'm writing to both lists hoping I'll get a= =20 responce. Since the 64 bit version of fedora does not work with firefox, i'm= =20 looking for an alternative. My options to install a distro are the=20 following
brltty, telnet, and ssh.
there is jsut lot's of choices and I'm just= looking=20 for the opinions from people. If firefox can be fixed on fc9, then that will= be=20 very most welcome. I can also perhaps boot strap and install a distro from a= =20 live cd of Ubuntu. I wouuld say grml, but only the 32 bit version works with= =20 software speech.
 
Thank you,
Alonzo
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01C90A49.D456D2C0-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Sat Aug 30 09:41:33 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F4E5750094 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:41:33 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 7891 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0EHOtCRvPFgT for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:41:21 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C313D7500B6 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:41:20 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8E4CC2A0502; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:38:18 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lgOMnlZXc2YC; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:38:17 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [189.25.15.173]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 2F35D2A03CC; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:38:17 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48B915C1.9010609@informal.com.br> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 06:41:21 -0300 From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1a2pre) Gecko/20080829033920 Shredder/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Simone Dal Maso References: <3384E06CFD4D4A1D9E3CF38D433A2BED@shtututu> In-Reply-To: <3384E06CFD4D4A1D9E3CF38D433A2BED@shtututu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] error updating orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:41:33 -0000 Hi, I think that the following message can help. -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [orca-list] intltool 0.40.0 Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2008 11:42:46 -0700 From: Mike Pedersen To: Willie Walker CC: Orca List References: <48A5C54B.20208@sun.com> Hi all, > Mike is looking into a solution for those of you who have been > comfortable ignoring the "Orca v2.23.x is supported on GNOME 2.23.x > only" disclaimer and will post a solution if he can find one. I did not find a pre-compiled version of intltool for hardy but was able to build it from source just fine. Here are the steps I used to build on hardy? 1. svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/intltool/trunk intltool 2. cd intltool 3. ./autogen.sh --prefix=/usr sudo make install After doing this you should be able to build orca. Mike Simone Dal Maso wrote: > Hi, > here is my problem. > I started updating Orca by updating the accessibility infrastructure. > updating atk and gail was ok, but, when updating at-spi, when I give > the command ./autogen.sh followed by the 2 parameters, it says: > configure error, intltool too old. you have intltool 0.37 and is > required intltool 0.40. > How can I update this intltool and, what is it? > thanks. > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From lutz.kaiser@gmx.net Sat Aug 30 10:23:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71FB975008A for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:23:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6, seldom 2.4 (older, 4) (up: 5322 hrs), (distance 22, link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 18uEicAc5JWc for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:23:41 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BECF07500C6 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:22:37 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2008 10:22:35 -0000 Received: from 83-221-89-79.dynamic.primacom.net (EHLO [83.221.89.79]) [83.221.89.79] by mail.gmx.net (mp051) with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 12:22:35 +0200 X-Authenticated: #18536996 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX184mHFihvI43OuUA+Oo1oQ0rn81etK2GjUW5x9bYd eGddssYdpTHW58 From: Lutz Kaiser To: Robin Kipp In-Reply-To: <000001c90a23$b2649880$7001a8c0@pc> References: <000001c90a23$b2649880$7001a8c0@pc> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:22:33 +0200 Message-Id: <1220091753.6673.2.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.12.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.64 Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Orca doesn't read messages in Evolution X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: lutz.kaiser@gmx.net List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:23:50 -0000 Hi, I use "f6" to read the messages. The second possebility is, when hitting enter, cursoring down and then hit alt+cursor right. regards Lutz Am Samstag, den 30.08.2008, 00:07 +0200 schrieb Robin Kipp: > Hi list! > Just installed Debian Lenny beta 2 in a virtual machine and works great > so far. Just one problem: I set up Evolution and am able to receive and > send e-Mail messages. I can access the table containing the message > list, however when I hit enter on a message I can't read the text, the > arrow keys or review keys don't work unfortunately. What am I doing > wrong? Thanks! > Robin > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 11:34:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 13D1F7500F5 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3977 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.193] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jvORfHbWN6zv for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:25 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe15.swip.net [212.247.155.193]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA93C75010D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=bgV7B-fjWsBzhycQC8wA:9 a=eKxiBJMbNZILYcHJzvjRmaTTi8MA:4 a=PKjY-mI1yN0A:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe15.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 314093271 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:34:19 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:34:18 +0200 Message-Id: <1220096058.7500.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:31 -0000 i can't install speech-dispatcher for debian on ubuntu anyone no where to get the right version? From guenni.post@gmx.de Sat Aug 30 11:34:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 16EF075019C for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S4:42:1:60:M1460,S,T,N,W8:.:?:?] (up: 2036 hrs), (link: ethernet/modem), [213.165.64.20] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id g6bnbI9ohMOq for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mail.gmx.net (mail.gmx.net [213.165.64.20]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id DCC6F7500EC for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:27 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail invoked by alias); 30 Aug 2008 11:34:25 -0000 Received: from a188044.studnetz.uni-leipzig.de (EHLO [139.18.188.44]) [139.18.188.44] by mail.gmx.net (mp060) with SMTP; 30 Aug 2008 13:34:25 +0200 X-Authenticated: #15413401 X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18g5Tdt1AEgIbC7Y8UO+deJmT5wXILZTCF6LEgRZA 4D0kpKkxALTh7h Message-ID: <48B93040.20106@gmx.de> Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:34:24 +0200 From: guenni User-Agent: Thunderbird/3.0b1pre (X11; 20080828031949) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.79 Subject: [orca-list] anti-crashing-strategy? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:34:35 -0000 Hi folks I had hoped with updating orca it wouldn t crash every half hour. Alas, I was wrong. As far as Iunderstand it its a problem of the combination of gnome-speech with espeak. From the orca-site I got the impression that for German only espeak ist available as an engine, and that emacspeak and speech-dispatcher only work somewhat limited with ubuntu. But it all was fairly vague. So uses/knows anyone a working combination? Or has anybody another idea how to keep the fish talking? Guenni From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 11:46:46 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA50F750160 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:46:46 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3980 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.161] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FSFlmPSaV2Fu for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:46:39 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe06.swip.net [212.247.154.161]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7208F750071 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:46:38 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=CDITs-GLjX7qHE-NnQ4A:9 a=bZ-3rUJ1lC4_1Xxc8m7R25e9NggA:4 a=f-ADshzQSboA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe06.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1057799372 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:46:36 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:46:36 +0200 Message-Id: <1220096796.8252.2.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 11:46:47 -0000 sorry can't install the debian version From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 12:34:40 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3C2AD7500B6 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:34:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3982 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id dLARszkk9AaF for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:34:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe02.swip.net [212.247.154.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 01F8B75008C for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:34:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=BT7zoeYTVncA:10 a=GPCxlxJ5RbgA:10 a=GjFeL6UWAHx9N+A1uhLsZA==:17 a=aiIX5UjjAAAA:8 a=_9hUDW-ffNGzdGo2HfEA:9 a=_nh7OkMt5_gKc81OypMK3sZ57jAA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=8UL1S1SzPDgA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe02.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1060174373 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:34:28 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:34:28 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <48B93040.20106@gmx.de> Subject: Re: [orca-list] anti-crashing-strategy? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:34:40 -0000 Try gnome-speeh festival -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r guenni Skickat: den 30 augusti 2008 13:34 Till: orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: [orca-list] anti-crashing-strategy? Hi folks I had hoped with updating orca it wouldn t crash every half hour. Alas, I was wrong. As far as Iunderstand it its a problem of the combination of=20 gnome-speech with espeak. From the orca-site I got the impression that=20 for German only espeak ist available as an engine, and that emacspeak=20 and speech-dispatcher only work somewhat limited with ubuntu. But it all was fairly vague. So uses/knows anyone a working combination? Or has=20 anybody another idea how to keep the fish talking? Guenni _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From christian08@runbox.com Sat Aug 30 12:38:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1BB757500ED for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:38:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.464 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.464 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.058, BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0yxcF4lIaC9X for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:38:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6B44B7500B4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:38:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.161] (helo=patch.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZPiC-0000vt-Tr; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:37:53 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by patch.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.63) id 1KZPiB-00015M-PP; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:37:52 +0200 Message-ID: <200808301437520453.0007E80C@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <3384E06CFD4D4A1D9E3CF38D433A2BED@shtututu> References: <3384E06CFD4D4A1D9E3CF38D433A2BED@shtututu> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:37:52 +0200 From: "Christian" To: simone.dalmaso@juvox.it, Orca-list@gnome.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: [orca-list] error updating orca X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:38:18 -0000 Hi, I downloaded the latest version of intltool through svn. If you have= subversion, svn installed you can just do: svn co http://svn.gnome.org/svn/intltool/trunk intltool I don't know what intool is for either. Best regards, Christian On 2008-08-30 at 09:13 Simone Dal Maso wrote: >Hi, >here is my problem. >I started updating Orca by updating the accessibility infrastructure. >updating atk and gail was ok, but, when updating at-spi, when I give the >command ./autogen.sh followed by the 2 parameters, it says: >configure error, intltool too old. you have intltool 0.37 and is required >intltool 0.40. >How can I update this intltool and, what is it? >thanks. > > > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From christian08@runbox.com Sat Aug 30 12:41:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id ED53875016B for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:41:30 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.503 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.503 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.096, BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 1) (up: 5063 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [193.71.199.94] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id kJlS-Dx083Jd for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:41:22 +0000 (GMT) Received: from aibo.runbox.com (aibo.runbox.com [193.71.199.94]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 32836750172 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:40:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from [10.9.9.162] (helo=pepper.runbox.com) by greyhound.runbox.com with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1KZPkR-00013n-Ug; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:40:12 +0200 Received: from [81.216.142.231] (helo=127.0.0.1) by pepper.runbox.com with esmtpsa (uid:521761 ) (SSL 3.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA:32) (Exim 4.50) id 1KZPkR-0003mk-Lu; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:40:11 +0200 Message-ID: <200808301440120343.000A0A7E@127.0.0.1> In-Reply-To: <1220096058.7500.0.camel@ubuntu> References: <1220096058.7500.0.camel@ubuntu> X-Mailer: Courier 3.50.00.09.1098 (http://www.rosecitysoftware.com) (P) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:40:12 +0200 From: "Christian" To: mj@mjw.se, orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:41:31 -0000 Hi, Do youw ant to insatll it from source? If so, do: sudo apt-get build-dep speech-dispatcher Christian On 2008-08-30 at 13:34 mattias wrote: >i can't install speech-dispatcher for debian on ubuntu >anyone no where to get the right version? > >_______________________________________________ >Orca-list mailing list >Orca-list@gnome.org >http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list >Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sat Aug 30 12:57:52 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D61937500B8 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:57:52 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id f8ackeFBFgDj for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:57:47 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id C14EC750071 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:57:46 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B211942.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.25.66]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1KZQ1P49Y9-0000j4; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:57:44 +0200 From: Hermann To: "mattias" In-Reply-To: (mattias's message of "Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:34:28 +0200") References: User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:58:00 +0200 Message-ID: <87vdxibqxz.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18a4293ytCOaQvuGVZCddSV6xTfWWDjM6N9WC6 Mwp8xxaSimeVbE48ZpW1SSaEtgN6RmL+3fh9VGgZLE/2x9+qPo Yj61lEoYNH8L9MIAzEIYQ== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] anti-crashing-strategy? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:57:53 -0000 On 30.08.2008 at 14:34:28 "mattias" wrote: > Try gnome-speeh festival > There's no German synth for Gnome-Speech and Festival. To Guenni: Try what I've suggested in the German list. Does anything change then? Hermann From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 13:35:24 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39FAD750071 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:35:24 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3980 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.129] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id rSh9-5VzzkdK for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:35:18 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe13.swip.net [212.247.155.129]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 441ED75008C for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:35:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=XItz7J2OxH-wnsgjVkkA:9 a=sqke1Diha5PNox6wcpFoTpwWYrsA:4 a=LQ1s5-IILsIA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe13.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 667880273 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:35:15 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:35:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1220103314.8217.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 13:35:24 -0000 now may speech-dispatcher work thanks to christian must say i love cepstral with speech-dispatcher From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 14:07:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 65C4B7500D4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:07:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -1.11 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.11 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_05=-1.11] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3580 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.1] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id v0Gs4iB1OmtE for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:07:31 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe01.swip.net [212.247.154.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5E9047500E8 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:07:26 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=yXUCur2hMX0F_m42k_MA:9 a=3BBNBGLMtplnNvSpsgJyTkkCGj8A:4 a=kwz2ALlf93kA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe01.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 7319254 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:07:24 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:07:23 +0200 Message-Id: <1220105243.11747.2.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] mbrola X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:07:37 -0000 anyone got mbrola to work with speech-dispatcher? From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 14:33:21 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A711B7500B4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:33:21 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3984 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id XYluDRL6agr4 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:33:15 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe02.swip.net [212.247.154.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD8275007B for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:33:14 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=ramI0_AyVmfr1iHB5toA:9 a=j_20UJvTI5YiWA-t9wMUounXY9sA:4 a=kwz2ALlf93kA:10 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe02.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1060257933 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:33:12 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:33:11 +0200 Message-Id: <1220106791.14428.2.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] mbrola X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 14:33:21 -0000 anyone get mbrola work with the new speech-dispatcher? From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 15:42:00 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1983375008C for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:42:00 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3982 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.129] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lt4-lVg73wlw for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:41:54 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe13.swip.net [212.247.155.129]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 046777500D5 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:41:53 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=GjFeL6UWAHx9N+A1uhLsZA==:17 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe13.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 667963053 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:41:51 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:41:50 +0200 Message-ID: <6C275A1FD6AC4D438BC0F1C36EAF06BE@mj4cb43de67893> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: [orca-list] Test sorry X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 15:42:00 -0000 From guyster@bex.net Sat Aug 30 16:04:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7AA65750116 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:04:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.001 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.001 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 68 hrs), (distance 10, link: ethernet/modem), [216.200.145.37] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id fMgq8Y21cw46 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:04:45 +0000 (GMT) Received: from omta0101.mta.everyone.net (sitemail3.everyone.net [216.200.145.37]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 332C77500D3 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:04:44 +0000 (GMT) Received: from dm37.mta.everyone.net (sj1-slb03-gw2 [172.16.1.96]) by omta0101.mta.everyone.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8240B7C38CD; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:04:43 -0700 (PDT) X-Eon-Dm: dm37 Received: by dm37.mta.everyone.net (EON-AUTHRELAY2 - 48f07808) id dm37.48ac7386.2b683e; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:04:43 -0700 X-Eon-Sig: AQK8R/pIuW+bh7IZyQIAAAAC,44b203023816914edff66d5a3785b3d0 X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 7.1.0.9 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:04:14 -0400 To: Hynek Hanke From: Guy Schlosser In-Reply-To: <48B7E644.4050904@brailcom.org> References: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> <48B7E644.4050904@brailcom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"; format=flowed Message-Id: <20080830090443.E1A179C7@dm37.mta.everyone.net> Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:04:50 -0000 Thanks for the quick response, Hynek and Tomas. Here's what I could come up with as far as version numbers. Espeak and libespeak are both at 1.38 libasound is at 1.0.17A0, and the Kernel is at 2.6.27. Orca is version 2.23.90. Just out of curiosity, how do I increase logging in both speechd.log and espeak.log? Thanks a lot for all the help and input. Thanks, Guy At 08:06 AM 8/29/2008, Hynek Hanke wrote: >Guy Schlosser: >>Hi all, I was just wondering if anyone else is experiencing this >>problem with speech-dispatcher 0.6.7. For some reason I have >>intermittent crashes of the espeak module. The reasons I blame it >>on the s-d espeak module are: >>1. When I have a crash, issuing a 'killall speech-dispatcher', then >>re-executing s-d brings speech back. >>2. In my speechd.log, I have several occurrences of "broken pipe to >>module", and "module terminated abnormally." >What version of libasound are you using? There are known issues >with libasound 1.0.16 that cause such crashes of output modules. > >With regards, >Hynek Hanke From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sat Aug 30 16:19:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 88EF175004D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:19:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.186] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id zLS3tLdLZ8mp for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:19:09 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 001B6750159 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:19:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B211942.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.25.66]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu3) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MKxQS-1KZTAI0HG4-0000VO; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:19:06 +0200 From: Hermann To: Guy Schlosser In-Reply-To: <20080830090443.E1A179C7@dm37.mta.everyone.net> (Guy Schlosser's message of "Sat, 30 Aug 2008 12:04:14 -0400") References: <48B7AFE7.1010601@bex.net> <48B7E644.4050904@brailcom.org> <20080830090443.E1A179C7@dm37.mta.everyone.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:19:21 +0200 Message-ID: <87myiubhme.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX18s5OpebSAZ5F1qyNLTBhd6bdJF1m7m/OW5LRy j0avuNdRiUYQd0L3n6qhcEHlPbLghyBlfaFacpbxH6Vk930rGX TeLo45ilf7hmfBa67PLHg== Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] speech-dispatcher crashing X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:19:17 -0000 On 30.08.2008 at 18:04:14 Guy Schlosser wrote: [...] > Just out of curiosity, how do I increase > logging in both speechd.log and espeak.log? Thanks a lot for all the > help and input. > Check out the config files in your speech-dispatcher and modules subdirectories. Hermann From pdm@zamazal.org Sat Aug 30 17:20:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 906BB7501F2 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:20:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.186 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.186 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[AWL=0.335, BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 1865 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [217.66.176.51] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id p0JR5vfap9Bp for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:20:32 +0000 (GMT) Received: from zamazal.org (ip51.strelice.net [217.66.176.51]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id BBD6775025F for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:19:58 +0000 (GMT) Received: from blackbird.nest.zamazal.org ([192.168.129.12]) by zamazal.org with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from ) id 1KZU7A-0003vM-9v; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:19:56 +0200 Received: from pdm by blackbird.nest.zamazal.org with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZU77-0003vI-91; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:19:53 +0200 To: Willie Walker References: <87pro4vqo0.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <1219279117.26810.10.camel@ubuntu-laptop> <87y72pqfcz.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> <1219841268.28884.26.camel@server> From: Milan Zamazal Organization: BRAILCOM, o.p.s. Mail-Copies-To: never Mail-Followup-To: Willie Walker , orca-list@gnome.org Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 19:19:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <1219841268.28884.26.camel@server> (sfid-20080827_145057_214440_FFFFFFFFB1455712) (Willie Walker's message of "Wed\, 27 Aug 2008 08\:47\:48 -0400") Message-ID: <87abeuju86.fsf@blackbird.nest.zamazal.org> User-Agent: Gnus/5.11 (Gnus v5.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="=-=-=" Cc: orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] Live regions and XUL? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:20:43 -0000 --=-=-= >>>>> "WW" == Willie Walker writes: WW> 1) Run accerciser and monitor all the events from Firefox to see WW> what happens when you perform the user action above. It seems events are emitted for both HTML and XUL. 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object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 6, pokus5) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 6, pokus5) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 6, pokus6) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 6, pokus6) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 6, pokus7) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 6, pokus7) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 6, pokus8) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 6, pokus8) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 6, pokus9) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 6, pokus9) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus10) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus10) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus11) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus11) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus12) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus12) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus13) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] window:deactivate(0, 0, Brailchem) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:state-changed:active(0, 0, None) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] 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[section | ]) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus16) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus17) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus17) source: [text | ] application: 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| Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [panel | Brailcheming]) source: [section | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [panel | Brailcheming]) source: [heading | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [panel | Brailcheming]) source: [section | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus18) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus19) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus19) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus20) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus20) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus21) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus21) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus22) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus22) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus23) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus23) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus24) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus24) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus25) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus25) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus26) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus26) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus27) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:delete:system(0, 7, pokus27) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:text-changed:insert:system(0, 7, pokus28) source: [text | ] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Gran Paradiso Alpha Start Page - Iceweasel] application: [application | Iceweasel] object:property-change:accessible-parent(0, 0, [application | Iceweasel]) source: [frame | Brailchem] application: [application | Iceweasel] --=-=-= My testing HTML page is here: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/html Content-Disposition: inline; filename=pokus2.html Orca live region text

Orca live region test

press me
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--=-=-= WW> 2) Enable full debugging in Orca WW> (http://live.gnome.org/Orca/Debugging) and see what events it is WW> getting when you perform the user action above. 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The same behavior happens with svn trunk. Regards, Milan Zamazal --=-=-=-- From cy41169@yahoo.com Sat Aug 30 17:26:43 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 41AA275035F for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:26:43 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.998 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.998 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_Unix=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: FreeBSD 6.x (1) (up: 2294 hrs), (distance 15, link: ethernet/modem), [66.196.100.230] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id iUpa-+6cgVva for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:26:36 +0000 (GMT) Received: from web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com (web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com [66.196.100.230]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 5BE297502D5 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:25:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 65165 invoked by uid 60001); 30 Aug 2008 17:25:02 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Message-ID; b=c2Tq06vBe1KpLPm548yH+mY1tcRFKBHqw7AB+vo6UGXh/KwFIW++ADt0sqrVFBk7JBQpMkHEHGkwexchM7PnSRSTKcTjVZ5o6bGszUlpWMLVFudaELeRUInWpeJyRzoOvSG5YCuPvPo82G4Vk1kmgSlcbEwVwKb+7pkxjLvfN2Q=; X-YMail-OSG: ia8UFWIVM1nFMx6Ky06jIG6yoCVlaopP4d4dcHzWcHv88rvfiBGabyfByerW3Fck6tzDJhodbkW5CO1IDvfc10Uog8RHdVbAvevmzyDDEQ-- Received: from [208.110.238.13] by web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:25:01 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.7.218.2 Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:25:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Charlie Dorff To: Orca-list@gnome.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0-1925019215-1220117101=:27594" Message-ID: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Subject: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: cy41169@yahoo.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:26:43 -0000 --0-1925019215-1220117101=:27594 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi... Does anyone know of good OCR software that's easy to use and doesn't need to be compiled? Is Kooka a good OCR program? I use Ubuntu. Thanks. Charlie --0-1925019215-1220117101=:27594 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
Hi...
Does anyone know of good OCR software that's easy to use and doesn't need to be compiled? Is Kooka a good OCR program? I use Ubuntu. Thanks.
Charlie


--0-1925019215-1220117101=:27594-- From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 18:07:35 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id EA9B7750108 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:07:35 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3987 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.154.65] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id U1Et9u8dv3S5 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:07:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe03.swip.net [212.247.154.65]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F40487500E1 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:07:29 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 Received: from [85.224.127.98] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO [192.168.0.127]) by mailfe03.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 1062266689 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:27 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:07:26 +0200 Message-Id: <1220119646.6249.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] sorry for all testmails X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:07:36 -0000 From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 18:17:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 39BB7750292 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:17:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.615 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.615 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:42:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.71] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 2g992VOqeDex for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:17:07 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy1.bredband.net (proxy1.bredband.net [195.54.101.71]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 06B6075023D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:15:40 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport2.bredband.com (195.54.101.122) by proxy1.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 4811823A020893B4 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:15:38 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArcwADQruUhV4H9iPGdsb2JhbAAIiE0liUMBAQEBLTaiWIFp Received: from c-627fe055.026-5-6d6a6210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.127]) ([85.224.127.98]) by ironport2.bredband.com with ESMTP; 30 Aug 2008 20:15:38 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:15:37 +0200 Message-Id: <1220120137.6760.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] hello X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 18:17:14 -0000 i have problems with evolussion so sorry for all mails From guenni.post@gmx.de Sat Aug 30 20:12:11 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 95A0B7500C6 for ; 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20080828031949) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Y-GMX-Trusted: 0 X-FuHaFi: 0.76 Subject: [orca-list] Any way to fix position in firefox? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 20:12:11 -0000 Hi Is there anyway to save ones current position in firefox when using orca? Because 90% of the time when youre starting orca anew it jumps back to the beginning of the webpage. Especially with longer texts it's quite annoying. So is there either a way to stop orca from doing so, or a way to make a kind of fixpoint so it's easier to go back where you left off? I tried the save current position as bookmark keystroke, but either I did it wrong or it just doesn't work in firefox. I pressed all four keys at once is that the way it works? Guenni From gracebooks@bellsouth.net Sat Aug 30 21:37:22 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D37BB7500D5 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:22 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.802 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.802 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [33182:48:1:64:M1412, N, N, T, N, W1, N, N, S:.:?:?] (up: 10113 hrs), (link: sometimes DSL (3)), [204.127.217.102] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 1SeH-U4Mi3rJ for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fmailhost02.isp.att.net (fmailhost02.isp.att.net [204.127.217.102]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 79ABC7500D2 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:17 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bluabirdopc (adsl-11-207-21.mia.bellsouth.net[65.11.207.21]) by isp.att.net (frfwmhc02) with SMTP id <20080830213714H020013rv6e>; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:15 +0000 X-Originating-IP: [65.11.207.21] Message-ID: <99A73DCBBF654196AF698862E4C7C5AB@BluabirdoPC> From: "Grace Books" To: Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 17:37:15 -0400 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0161_01C90AC7.0ABF03F0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Mail 6.0.6001.18000 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.0.6001.18000 Subject: [orca-list] Questions about speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 21:37:23 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01C90AC7.0ABF03F0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello, I keep trying to learn while waiting for my Ubuntu cd and after reading = some messages I have some doubts. Is Orca a speech software that comes with Ubuntu? Will I need an external synthesizer or can I use the speakers that came = with my pc? I'm not sure if espeak, festival, Gnome-speech and Speech-dispatcher are = software or hardware. Thank you for any explanation, Irena ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01C90AC7.0ABF03F0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hello,
 
I keep trying to learn while waiting = for my Ubuntu=20 cd and after reading some messages I have some doubts.
Is Orca a speech software that comes = with=20 Ubuntu?
Will I need an external synthesizer or = can I use=20 the speakers that came with my pc?
I'm not sure if espeak, festival, Gnome-speech and Speech-dispatcher are = software or=20 hardware.
Thank you for any = explanation,
 
Irena

 ------=_NextPart_000_0161_01C90AC7.0ABF03F0-- From mj@mjw.se Sat Aug 30 22:32:50 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0F96275004D for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:32:50 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 3989 hrs), (distance 26, link: ethernet/modem), [212.247.155.33] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 5DXyQvBk2val for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:32:43 +0000 (GMT) Received: from swip.net (mailfe10.swipnet.se [212.247.155.33]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CB89E7500C6 for ; Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:32:42 +0000 (GMT) X-Cloudmark-Score: 0.000000 [] X-Cloudmark-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=uTBPFPiNVakA:10 a=NSYPActKUADm+wbPrrcaVQ==:17 a=Ot-Ym_dHbxbn-FXMNvQA:9 a=zQjmGIRFihz5cVuWgDi1bfOjugAA:4 a=yauLTTMCv9sA:10 a=wCaoJTriV0sA:10 a=PBUfha0EFtrPG85f43sA:9 a=zGCLil2Jl-ialeJM0dwA:7 a=-_yCyUvyEwOqSqeNXPUMJXdcDVAA:4 a=AfD3MYMu9mQA:10 Received: from [85.226.23.251] (account cxu-87j-x8w@tele2.se HELO mj4cb43de67893) by mailfe10.swip.net (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 5.2.6) with ESMTPA id 888297709 for Orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:32:40 +0200 From: "mattias" To: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:32:38 +0200 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0005_01C90B01.12A5D320" X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4024 In-Reply-To: <99A73DCBBF654196AF698862E4C7C5AB@BluabirdoPC> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.5512 Importance: Normal Subject: Re: [orca-list] Questions about speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:32:50 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C90B01.12A5D320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable yes orca are part of gnome yes you can use espeak, festival and cepstral and fonix dectalk and speech-dispatcher are software -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fr=E5n: orca-list-bounces@gnome.org [mailto:orca-list-bounces@gnome.org] F=F6r Grace Books Skickat: den 30 augusti 2008 23:37 Till: Orca-list@gnome.org =C4mne: [orca-list] Questions about speech Hello, =20 I keep trying to learn while waiting for my Ubuntu cd and after reading some messages I have some doubts. Is Orca a speech software that comes with Ubuntu? Will I need an external synthesizer or can I use the speakers that came with my pc? I'm not sure if espeak, festival, Gnome-speech and Speech-dispatcher are software or hardware. Thank you for any explanation, =20 Irena ------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C90B01.12A5D320 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Meddelande
yes=20 orca are part of gnome
yes=20 you can use espeak, festival and cepstral and fonix = dectalk
and=20 speech-dispatcher are software
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Skickat: den 30 augusti 2008 = 23:37
Till:=20 Orca-list@gnome.org
=C4mne: [orca-list] Questions about=20 speech

Hello,
 
I keep trying to learn while waiting = for my=20 Ubuntu cd and after reading some messages I have some = doubts.
Is Orca a speech software that comes = with=20 Ubuntu?
Will I need an external synthesizer = or can I use=20 the speakers that came with my pc?
I'm not sure if espeak, festival, Gnome-speech and Speech-dispatcher are = software or=20 hardware.
Thank you for any = explanation,
 
Irena

------=_NextPart_000_0005_01C90B01.12A5D320-- From halim.sahin@t-online.de Sun Aug 31 05:03:17 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 97746750135 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:03:17 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 9114 hrs), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [194.25.134.85] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 0AYmiBS+E58W for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailout11.t-online.de (mailout11.t-online.de [194.25.134.85]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 94F4975011C for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:03:11 +0000 (GMT) Received: from fwd32.aul.t-online.de by mailout11.sul.t-online.de with smtp id 1KZf5h-0000dc-00; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:03:09 +0200 Received: from halim.local (b0Wjw6ZJQhK63QXGuK04gBdpSxMjMGrgjqlPjRSlhoxUQcmJ9H3PQaVCyqIGBR0gki@[84.174.124.149]) by fwd32.aul.t-online.de with esmtp id 1KZf5V-0nnV8C0; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:02:57 +0200 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:02:57 +0200 From: Halim Sahin To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080831050257.GA6532@halim.local> References: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-ID: b0Wjw6ZJQhK63QXGuK04gBdpSxMjMGrgjqlPjRSlhoxUQcmJ9H3PQaVCyqIGBR0gki X-TOI-MSGID: f352cb89-bad2-427d-a47d-97fc5a4ae8e1 Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 05:03:17 -0000 Hi, Give tesseract a try. I think tesseract-ocr is the packagename which you have to install. Gruß halim From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Aug 31 07:06:13 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2BC2775006E for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:06:13 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 4135 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id aM9f+Ih9oYz8 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 851DD750089 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:06:06 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7V761Xp007699 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:06:03 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7V75u6u004462 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:05:56 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7V75u2e004461 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:05:56 +1000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:05:56 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080831070556.GA4324@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20080831050257.GA6532@halim.local> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <20080831050257.GA6532@halim.local> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8122/Sun Aug 31 01:04:56 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:06:13 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 07:02:57AM +0200, Halim Sahin wrote: > Hi, > Give tesseract a try. There is an even better one under development: http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ but it might not be able to recognize text yet. I haven't been following its development closely. From meinelisten@onlinehome.de Sun Aug 31 08:39:15 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B68137500E9 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:39:15 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6? (barebone, rare!), (distance 21, link: ethernet/modem), [212.227.126.187] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id lryoKgkLjW2S for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:39:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BA8F750095 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:39:08 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (p5B211CE9.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [91.33.28.233]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrelayeu5) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0ML25U-1KZiSf3ySI-0006GF; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:39:06 +0200 From: Hermann To: orca-list@gnome.org In-Reply-To: <20080831070556.GA4324@jdc.jasonjgw.net> (Jason White's message of "Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:05:56 +1000") References: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20080831050257.GA6532@halim.local> <20080831070556.GA4324@jdc.jasonjgw.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.110011 (No Gnus v0.11) Emacs/22.2 (gnu/linux) Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:39:24 +0200 Message-ID: <874p51zigz.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii X-Provags-ID: V01U2FsdGVkX1/HeNPwNxm1AU7YnNtAumklx9sqiRhfPLBFAJ1 3Gn1FrRUZ2YJggM3fuP+5ieC2zXmYNKrJ0OjQ6QGtIlLftCD9r UTPqLbkZFbvTEcFJfnotg== Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 08:39:16 -0000 On 31.08.2008 at 09:05:56 Jason White wrote: > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 07:02:57AM +0200, Halim Sahin wrote: >> Hi, >> Give tesseract a try. > > There is an even better one under development: > http://code.google.com/p/ocropus/ > > but it might not be able to recognize text yet. I haven't been following its > development closely. > Sorry, do you mean that seriously? There is a better OCR, but I don't know whether it recognizes text ... incredible! *scnr* Hermann From jason@jasonjgw.net Sun Aug 31 09:21:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5626875012B for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:21:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 4158 hrs), (distance 20, link: ethernet/modem), [75.125.70.226] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hu4qcdMQN0tr for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:21:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from opera.rednote.net (opera.rednote.net [75.125.70.226]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 243427500D8 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:21:35 +0000 (GMT) Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (localhost6.localdomain6 [IPv6:::1]) by opera.rednote.net (8.14.2/8.14.2) with ESMTP id m7V9LU27009294 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=FAIL) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:21:32 GMT Received: from jdc.jasonjgw.net (ip6-localhost [IPv6:::1]) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id m7V9LPJW005484 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NOT) for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:21:25 +1000 Received: (from jason@localhost) by jdc.jasonjgw.net (8.14.3/8.14.3/Submit) id m7V9LPej005482 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:21:25 +1000 Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:21:25 +1000 From: Jason White To: orca-list@gnome.org Message-ID: <20080831092125.GA5439@jdc.jasonjgw.net> Mail-Followup-To: orca-list@gnome.org References: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> <20080831050257.GA6532@halim.local> <20080831070556.GA4324@jdc.jasonjgw.net> <874p51zigz.fsf@onlinehome.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <874p51zigz.fsf@onlinehome.de> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.18 (2008-05-17) X-Virus-Scanned: ClamAV 0.93.3/8122/Sun Aug 31 01:04:56 2008 on opera.rednote.net X-Virus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 09:21:41 -0000 On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 10:39:24AM +0200, Hermann wrote: > Sorry, do you mean that seriously? There is a better OCR, but I don't > know whether it recognizes text ... incredible! What I said was that there was a better system under development: they're taking several existing recognizers and document layout analysis systems, as I understand it, and combining them into a new OCR system. It might, or might not, have reached the stage of development at which it can actually recognize documents. OCROpus is the project to watch. From robhill@es.co.nz Sun Aug 31 10:05:06 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id CA6CE750063 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:05:06 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.199 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.199 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-1] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [16384:47:1:48:M1460,S,E:P:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [203.109.136.13] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id xwRUFkfonsEh for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:05:00 +0000 (GMT) Received: from mailfilter13.ihug.co.nz (mailfilter13.ihug.co.nz [203.109.136.13]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2429E750071 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:04:59 +0000 (GMT) X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ApoEAHAJukh2XIqK/2dsb2JhbAC3KoFpgQc X-IronPort-AV: E=Sophos;i="4.32,300,1217764800"; d="scan'208";a="124978265" Received: from 118-92-138-138.dsl.dyn.ihug.co.nz (HELO octavian) ([118.92.138.138]) by smtp.mailfilter5.ihug.co.nz with ESMTP/TLS/AES256-SHA; 31 Aug 2008 22:04:57 +1200 Received: from rob by octavian with local (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1KZjnk-0005Pz-Bh; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:04:56 +1200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-ID: <18618.27848.255999.273914@es.co.nz> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:04:56 +1200 To: "Grace Books" In-Reply-To: <99A73DCBBF654196AF698862E4C7C5AB@BluabirdoPC> References: <99A73DCBBF654196AF698862E4C7C5AB@BluabirdoPC> X-Mailer: VM 7.19 under Emacs 22.1.1 From: Rob Hill Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: [orca-list] Questions about speech X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:05:07 -0000 Hello Irena, Yes, Orca comes with Ubuntu, and with average luck, should just work straight away via your PC speakers. All the packages you mentioned are software. Regards, Rob Grace Books writes: > Hello, > > I keep trying to learn while waiting for my Ubuntu cd and after reading some messages I have some doubts. > Is Orca a speech software that comes with Ubuntu? > Will I need an external synthesizer or can I use the speakers that came with my pc? > I'm not sure if espeak, festival, Gnome-speech and Speech-dispatcher are software or hardware. > Thank you for any explanation, > > Irena > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > From mj@mjw.se Sun Aug 31 11:51:09 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id A2F76750076 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:51:09 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.801 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.801 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, L_P0F_UNKN=0.8] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: UNKNOWN [S34:41:1:52:M1460,N,N,N,N,N,N,N,N:Q0:?:?], (link: ethernet/modem), [195.54.101.73] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ZVvFhg-sWCQB for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:51:04 +0000 (GMT) Received: from proxy3.bredband.net (proxy3.bredband.net [195.54.101.73]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2D027750073 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:51:03 +0000 (GMT) Received: from ironport.bredband.com (195.54.101.120) by proxy3.bredband.net (7.3.127) id 481183EA02006104 for orca-list@gnome.org; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:51:01 +0200 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: AvQYAAsiukhV4H9iPGdsb2JhbAAIiHKJQwEBAQEtpCqBaQ Received: from c-627fe055.026-5-6d6a6210.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se (HELO [192.168.0.127]) ([85.224.127.98]) by ironport1.bredband.com with ESMTP; 31 Aug 2008 13:51:01 +0200 From: mattias To: orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:51:00 +0200 Message-Id: <1220183460.21978.0.camel@ubuntu> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.22.3.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] mbrola X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 11:51:09 -0000 anyone get mbrola to work wwith spd? From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Aug 31 13:52:31 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B696175012F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:52:31 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -0.185 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.185 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_40=-0.185] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 8172 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id m5OwIKVj1TFf for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:52:24 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E31977500E6 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:52:23 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 550DE2A0587 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:49:14 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 6BYvxYcU697J for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:49:13 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [189.25.15.173]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4533B2A0586 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:49:13 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48BAA204.5020807@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 10:52:04 -0300 From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b1pre) Gecko/20080830030343 Shredder/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Orca-list@gnome.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: [orca-list] orca and gnome-terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 13:52:31 -0000 Hi all, I believe that sometimes orca doesn't read the first character of a text when in gnome-terminal. To reproduce try the following: 1: Press alt+f2. 2: Type gnome-terminal and press enter. 3: Type abcd and press enter. Instead of read: bash: command not found orca reads: ash: command not found Does anyone can confirm From libranarsh@gmail.com Sun Aug 31 14:53:42 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F1633750170 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:53:41 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.598 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.598 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (firewall!) (up: 4344 hrs), (distance 15, link: (Google 2)), [66.249.82.238] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 7FF6oYHr87Un for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:53:34 +0000 (GMT) Received: from wx-out-0506.google.com (wx-out-0506.google.com [66.249.82.238]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AA2747500E8 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:53:26 +0000 (GMT) Received: by wx-out-0506.google.com with SMTP id h28so433883wxd.9 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:53:24 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:received:received:message-id:date:from:to :subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; bh=3Faxj2swuHWo90woZXyp53x9JPgixtBNRc0Mtoioi+w=; b=El8WNrNeuJ5kvrpa3DbBuBbpTRYrmz24cBgM2dvTFmwOf2TY0DAqOm82YseKN/DPuK btAk7y+DdPqeG0fdvLpKe++XRkAFPBT0LSPlVBY0v1b2pSSt2XYQu+SMdOjDROLowx+M DWzV2U9VrZUOsnLHwHyeADQeztaFxksuUDfgo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version :content-type:references; b=cupARA9ijTZJAQO2EimWIAPxNrhiuUSVTNZDQJIyZx+Lh37rj9rctqL1RhXLgAGDdp uS6kEDofVLaSWSGcH1JON5tqtXmvBW1NNI4Cy0vsUxlS78NzRoWQ2aI8hjZEzrWi6VKY zMPToYTrC2O41WwXdBMOO08d34DQAiwkmv/Lw= Received: by 10.70.77.2 with SMTP id z2mr6401119wxa.76.1220194404304; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.108.13 with HTTP; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 07:53:24 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 20:23:24 +0530 From: "Aruni Sharma" To: vilmar@informal.com.br In-Reply-To: <48BAA204.5020807@informal.com.br> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_18720_33284331.1220194404239" References: <48BAA204.5020807@informal.com.br> Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and gnome-terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 14:53:42 -0000 ------=_Part_18720_33284331.1220194404239 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Hi, this behaviour is not uniform across systems. I have faced this problem i the past but in the present release of orca and ubuntu, I no longer face this problem. Regards, Aruni. On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza < vilmar@informal.com.br> wrote: > Hi all, > I believe that sometimes orca doesn't read the first character of a text > when in gnome-terminal. To reproduce try the following: > 1: Press alt+f2. > 2: Type gnome-terminal and press enter. > 3: Type abcd and press enter. > Instead of read: > bash: command not found > orca reads: > ash: command not found > > Does anyone can confirm > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > ------=_Part_18720_33284331.1220194404239 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline
Hi, this behaviour is not uniform across systems. I have faced this problem i the past but in the present release of orca and ubuntu, I no longer face this problem.
Regards,
Aruni.

On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza <vilmar@informal.com.br> wrote:
Hi all,
I believe that sometimes orca doesn't read the first character   of a text when in gnome-terminal. To reproduce try the following:
1: Press alt+f2.
2: Type gnome-terminal and press enter.
3: Type abcd and press enter.
Instead of read:
bash: command not found
orca reads:
ash: command not found

Does anyone can confirm


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------=_Part_18720_33284331.1220194404239-- From milton@tomaatnet.nl Sun Aug 31 17:41:37 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D317D750076 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:37 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: 0.002 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.002 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_50=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 3) (up: 112 hrs), (distance 23, link: ethernet/modem), [62.58.50.97] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gkKJ65eoeKVx for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:30 +0000 (GMT) Received: from smtp6.versatel.nl (smtp6.versatel.nl [62.58.50.97]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id D2E557500C5 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:29 +0000 (GMT) Received: (qmail 10752 invoked by uid 0); 31 Aug 2008 17:41:26 -0000 Received: from ip208-80-209-87.adsl2.static.versatel.nl (HELO milton) ([87.209.80.208]) (envelope-sender ) by smtp6.versatel.nl (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for < >; 31 Aug 2008 17:41:26 -0000 Message-ID: <005b01c90b90$ca0fd080$0801a8c0@milton> From: "Milton" To: , References: <695429.27594.qm@web58901.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:41:23 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0058_01C90BA1.8CC91B80" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3198 X-Antivirus: avast! (VPS 080831-0, 31-08-2008), Outbound message X-Antivirus-Status: Clean Subject: Re: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:41:38 -0000 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C90BA1.8CC91B80 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hello Charlie, I tried Kooka with Orca speech but Kooka is not accessible.I was not in = the opportunity yet to try out other options. Milton ----- Original Message -----=20 From: Charlie Dorff=20 To: Orca-list@gnome.org=20 Sent: Saturday, August 30, 2008 7:25 PM Subject: [orca-list] Does anyone know of good OCR software? Hi... Does anyone know of good OCR software that's easy to use and = doesn't need to be compiled? Is Kooka a good OCR program? I use Ubuntu. = Thanks. Charlie =20 -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ----- _______________________________________________ Orca-list mailing list Orca-list@gnome.org http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca ------=_NextPart_000_0058_01C90BA1.8CC91B80 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 18:28:04 -0000 Hi I tried to update gnome-speech. When I typed make install I got an error message: Not enough arguments for the espeak function. So to stop any mixing up I typed make uninstall afterwards. Obviously a mistake because since I had to start orca afterwards it has been quit. I tried to install the erarlier version of gnome-speech afterwards but got the same error message. I also noticed that I can*t enter the orca setup any more. So what can I do to make him talk again? 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X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: cy41169@yahoo.com List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 21:37:04 -0000 --0-8316859-1220218614=:44304 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi... Could someone please explain how to install GOCR? I tried using synaptic Package Manager and after it finished downloading I couldn't find it in the Applications menu. I use Ubuntu. Thanks. Charlie --0-8316859-1220218614=:44304 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii
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Could someone please explain how to install GOCR? I tried using synaptic Package Manager and after it finished downloading I couldn't find it in the Applications menu. I use Ubuntu. Thanks.
Charlie


--0-8316859-1220218614=:44304-- From vilmar@informal.com.br Sun Aug 31 22:59:41 2008 Return-Path: X-Original-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Delivered-To: Orca-list@gnome.org Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id F359E75002F for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:59:40 +0000 (GMT) X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new at gnome.org X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.522 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.522 tagged_above=-999 required=2 tests=[BAYES_00=-2.599, TW_SV=0.077] X-Amavis-OS-Fingerprint: Linux 2.6 (newer, 2) (up: 8264 hrs), (distance 16, link: ethernet/modem), [200.152.107.44] Received: from menubar.gnome.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (menubar.gnome.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id hmJ2OBG7EZsX for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br (bionicao.informal.com.br [200.152.107.44]) by menubar.gnome.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CB67750076 for ; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:59:33 +0000 (GMT) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTP id 52F852A058D; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:56:21 -0300 (BRT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at informal.com.br Received: from bionicao.informal.com.br ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (bionicao.informal.com.br [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id FxiY1meEeqag; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:56:19 -0300 (BRT) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (unknown [189.25.15.173]) by bionicao.informal.com.br (Postfix) with ESMTPA id BB3222A0587; Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:56:19 -0300 (BRT) Message-ID: <48BB2250.5070005@informal.com.br> Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:59:28 -0300 From: Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza Organization: Informal Informatica User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.9.1b1pre) Gecko/20080830030343 Shredder/3.0b1pre MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Aruni Sharma References: <48BAA204.5020807@informal.com.br> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Cc: Orca-list@gnome.org Subject: Re: [orca-list] orca and gnome-terminal X-BeenThere: orca-list@gnome.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.10 Precedence: list Reply-To: vilmar@informal.com.br List-Id: Orca screen reader developers and users List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:59:41 -0000 Hi,, I forgot to mention that I'm using latest orca from svn trunk and Ubuntu intrepid. However I also found the same problem when running Ubuntu hardy. Aruni Sharma wrote: > Hi, this behaviour is not uniform across systems. I have faced this > problem i the past but in the present release of orca and ubuntu, I no > longer face this problem. > Regards, > Aruni. > > On Sun, Aug 31, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Jose Vilmar Estacio de Souza > > wrote: > > Hi all, > I believe that sometimes orca doesn't read the first character > of a text when in gnome-terminal. To reproduce try the following: > 1: Press alt+f2. > 2: Type gnome-terminal and press enter. > 3: Type abcd and press enter. > Instead of read: > bash: command not found > orca reads: > ash: command not found > > Does anyone can confirm > > > _______________________________________________ > Orca-list mailing list > Orca-list@gnome.org > http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/orca-list > Visit http://live.gnome.org/Orca for more information on Orca > >